posted June 11, 2004 21:42            

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Originally posted by StonedPigeon:
justplayin
Member posted June 11, 2004 19:17

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posted June 11, 2004 22:01            

I have sat here watching for month while
people react to the negitive coments posted
by others. No facts just bull$hit. While I
will defend to my death everyones right to
free speech! I will not put up with wispering
fire in a crowded room.

posted June 11, 2004 22:03            

quote:

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Originally posted by StonedPigeon:
For every action there is a reaction!

I have sat here watching for month while
people react to the negitive coments posted
by others. No facts just bull$hit. While I
will defend to my death everyones right to
free speech! I will not put up with wispering
fire in a crowded room.

People get hurt and that is not an option!

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posted June 11, 2004 22:45            

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Originally posted by dardadog:
Sorry to keep everyone waiting so long and I can see the anxiety levels have soared. Could not post more until sure of situation. No one should buy or sell due to mine or anyone elses recommedations....EVER. You are traders. You are responsible for your own DD... positions...and trade decisions. Take advantage of the DD provided by the many "on top of the situation" traders here, but always follow up with your own research. To do otherwise is to go blindly forward on faith. Trading is not a "faith" game. As for my statements two days ago. I am going to try to make things a bit clearer. Everyones concerns last week were indeed well founded. "Paid Pumping" is something that is frowned upon by the SEC. All is "NOT" as it appears on these boards concerning a certain trader who claims to have carried this from the beginning. Their position is not one to "protect" the traders here, but one of "self-interest". I will not post my proof as it could damage the investments of many to shed light to this matter. Trade this stock on your own merit. It is a solid investment, but do not be led to believe that the trader I refer to is strictly in this for the benefit of you. They have "millions" of reasons to make sure this stock continues to go up. I am not going to go into anymore depth here as it could possibly have damaging effects. Good luck to all here. I won't be posting on this thread as my position now is mute as I have sold my holdings in this stock. That is not to say I feel that it is not a sound investment. But I know of some matters that could damage it at the drop of a hat. I for one cannot afford to have a great deal vested in such a way. At this point, silence on this matter is my best way to help all involved. Your friend, Dog.

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What a ration of crap......
It's a shame you feel it is ok to dump your stock after pumping it for weeks. Now you can't bring yourself to fill everybody in. That's sort of like a fireman standing watching us burn and not using the water cause it could drown us. Get real, get a life and get on down the road......
I have to admit I haven't offered much in DD to anyone but will try to do better and dig up anything I can find. Still new at this but there must be something out there that we can find that poochie is protecting us from. I'll dig as much as I can and try to post more as I find it. Unless it's some sort of inside info between a couple of regulars it should be there somewhere.
Dakota told you that......

posted June 11, 2004 22:54            

This board is amazing......you can actually hear the hissing noise of all the snakes in the grass.

And I hate snakes!!!!

Mabel...Where be dem damn boots of mine.....Ha

I'm a newbie

posted June 12, 2004 00:24            

Q Television Will Offer Gay and Lesbian Programming
June 4, 2004
Q Television Network will offer a combination of original and acquired programming, which includes sports, fashion, travel, health & fitness, talk shows, plays, documentaries and movies. Teams of producers and directors will also bring breaking stories of interest to the network's audience via access to bureaus in Washington, D.C., New York, London, Paris, Moscow, Jerusalem and Iraq.

A preview of original programming premiered in May at the National Cable & Telecommunication Association's annual industry conference and was also included in a successful five-hour sample broadcast on May 15, which aired on Cox Cable in Louisiana and Comcast in the Puget Sound Region. Included in that preview was I Will, I Do, We Did, an original Q Television documentary exploring gay and lesbian marriage in America that offers an inside glimpse of the challenges faced by this community. Independent films, such as An Intimate Friendship and Straightman, are other examples of what will be available on the network, as well as commercial fare such as Bette Midler's "Divine Madness" concert.
http://www.writenews.com/2004/060404_q_television.htm

posted June 12, 2004 01:01            

(CNSNews.com) - After dealing with the controversy surrounding defective tires, the Bridgestone/Firestone (BFS) company now faces another conflict over their decision to sponsor events, television programs and web sites geared toward the homosexual community.

BFS is a subsidiary of Bridgestone Corporation, the world's largest tire and rubber company. Tread separation in some of the company's Firestone tires have led to blowouts and rollover accidents. Millions of Firestone tires have been recalled, but at least 174 fatalities have occurred because of the defects.

Now, the company is seeking to expand its "diversity marketing efforts" by targeting the homosexual community, a move some say, will further harm the company's image.

In a recent news release, BFS announced it is "extremely pleased" to include "gays, lesbians, bisexuals and the transgender community" in its marketing efforts. The company also said it is "proud to be the first tire company with a national marketing effort directed to this important segment of the U.S. population."

BFS will sponsor the websites PlanetOut.com and Gay.com, and will participate in different events with both sites throughout 2002. The activities will begin with The Gay Life Expo in New York and continue at various "pride celebrations" during that year.

Print advertising from BFS will appear in the magazines Out, Genre, Curve and The Advocate. The company will also deliver targeted television advertising as part of its "founding sponsor agreement" with The Triangle Television Network.

Corporate profits from BFS will be used to fund charities such as the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation; The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network; The Family Pride Coalition; and several different AIDS-related organizations.

Don Wildmon, president of the American Family Association (AFA), lashed out at BFS's marketing effort.

"Every American family who buys Firestone tires should be alarmed by this dissuasive direction of the company. With each purchase, their hard-earned money is going to help fund gay pride parades, homosexual television shows, and full-page ads in homosexual magazines."

Christine Karbowiak, vice president of public affairs for BFS, said she was disappointed with AFA's reaction.

"Bridgestone/Firestone has long valued the strengths that come with having a diverse" customer base, she said.

According to Karbowiak, BFS's goal is to address a number of audiences, including Hispanic and African American groups, so that BFS can "better communicate the benefits of our products."

posted June 12, 2004 02:18            

I was going to type a long comparison, but I'll give you the short version of what I think about his "explanation"....

The really f()cked up thing is that he basically paraphrased what he posted the other day. Only he added the disclaimer that nobody should sell based on him - basically, to excuse himself of any responsibility. Then he reposts the same doom and gloom type sh\t without anything to back it up. Then he says that he knows something bad, but it would hurt others investments to know it too.... I would think it would hurt them to NOT know, otherwise DaDog would have KEPT his QBID!

Either spill it about what you know, or go tell Baaa'aaart we said "hello". If you think someone is a paid pumper, don't elude to it, say it flat out! If you bring it up, you have the responsibility to explain it. Isn't that why everyone has been calling each other to the mat lately?!

The recent post (after the apparent 2 day meeting) did nothing but rehash the original post, but try to excuse responsibility for the sh\tstorm that it caused. That doesn't cut it! You started it, so come clean.

posted June 12, 2004 04:22            

I would think a company who would pay for "pumping" would pick an incredibly smart & savvy person.

Not someone who would post in almost euphoric excitement gabby chat with internet buddies about a big meeting with Frank whereby lots of questions would be asked and oh yes, the trip being paid for!

Let's be rational now. The REALITY is that the posts just prior to the trip to Palm Springs and then on to the scheduled Sacremento area emitted as much joy & excitment as a major U2 fan might express upon just recieving backstage passes to U2... with a promised hug & kiss from Bono!

Most likely, the REALITY was that the little board gal, in her excited state, misinterpreted a secretary trying to be helpful with flight arrangements (times/pick-up etc) AND then was hugely disappointed when the business man in the midst of launching a program he has worked on for years provides, in REALITY, a five minute tour/meeting where few if any questions could be asked.

This, in my internet opinion, appears to be more likely the case. Certainly makes much more sence then a company working for years, overcoming huge obstacles, learning from many mistakes... then right before the launch decides to pay a "pumper" on a board that sees maybe what, 10,000 hits a day... from the same people day in & day out?? May 25 newbies a week to the site? I'd need Allstocks to give us the real stats but Allstocks can't be all that omni-important in the stock world.

Would this said company do something so amazingly stupid knowing that several hundred million people around the world have the potential to buy this stock once it launches?? Think people, think. Is someone, the government, really wasting their time investigating an excited poster gal gabbing with internet buddies?? If so, could they please work on something a bit more lethal like the following...

On CNN tonight: An American man owns a website named something like the Islamic American something-or-other. Four months before 911 he allows an article written in Arabic to be posted on his website, whether written by him or not I'm not sure, stating to the effect that it would be good for Jihad for muslims to hijack airplanes and committ suicide by crashing into... nothing specific given. An American jury found him innocent as he has rights based on the 1st Ammendment. I'm pretty darn sure our ancestors did not begin to have the freedoms we so freely & thoughtlessly provide to all.

If this is possible in todays world, let's get real and get back to the basics of of DD & stocks buckarroos & buckettes. Yes, I'm from the bronco-busting southwest.

This Allstocks board & the members provide information based on DD, posting of confirmable DD, as well as various opinions & speculation. It provides encouragement. It provides validations for those whose brain & gut are not synchronized. Moral support. Even allows letting off steam. Even allows manipulative people to strike fear. Or truly concerned people to strike the same fear without meaning to. Now that's 1st Amendment rights.

Try not to expend all your energy this weekend contemplating stocks, money & other people's opinions! Go out there and make this a really great weekend!!

posted June 12, 2004 04:46            

I know a handful of Muslims here in Arizona and they are the most warm-hearted, loving, happy and truly neighborly people I have met in a long time. They absolutely ache over terrorism in the name of their God. Sadly, I rarely see them happy now.

posted June 12, 2004 08:13            

QTV is getting written up everywhere but your right, someone that only has positive things to say about a stock I consider to be a "Paid Pumper" U4 was a definetely a "pumper". Dont know about paid, but if he was like most of us he would still post on this board. Maybe he's using a different name. How about CASH? A lot of newbies dont know these people... Just like my thread on the hotline messages, I am now keeping track of all user names, dates, comments, locations, & email addresses. I got time.

As far as a big payday..you better believe this stock will see another 100% run in a day like it did @.0029

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Originally posted by sonnydbar:
Like Pharmdman I've stayed out of the Dadog thing, in fact I've stayed out of most of the BS on this board lately. In fact it was weeks and weeks ago (when I was posting regularly) that I had posted some things I had dug up on the first launch of the Q. Things like the fact that the Q did actually launch contrary to some thoughts, they just were never picked up by anyone so that the programming could not be seen. I was blasted by Reality for bringing old and negative news to "her positive board" I did not see it as negative, in fact I never posted a single negative thing about the Q since I bought in on Feb.2nd. I guess I did not realize I was posting on her positive board, I thought this was a stock board, all about dd and research, boy was I wrong. Anyway it set off my alarm, and I pretty much went into lurk mode which is where I will return after this message. Pharm and Ticker your last to posts are the best I've read on this subject, period. I have been in the stock market since the early 80's, not the pennies of course. Along came the internet, then on-line trading, then chat rooms and boards. Don't underestimate what is said on a board and the impact it can have. On the internet you can be anyone you want to be, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, etc. You can gain so much respect and power on a stock board that by just one post you can have people sell out the entire position in a stock and go hide in a corner. You all know of one because they were brave enough or stupid enough to admit it, but how many others that you don't know about also sold and told their friends and relatives who in turn told their friends, and so on. The point is Dadog is trying to tell you that there is a prominent player on this board who is a paid pumper of this stock and to reveal this publicly could harm this stock in spite of it's promising future because of the far reaching effects the internet has, and if you don't believe that you probably believe Al Gore invented the internet. Penny trading is basically an internet thing, that is it's basic platform. It's sad that this stock has become so emotionally charged, it has kept a lot of good facts and people away from sharing good things with us. Do what you need to do with this stock, me I'm going to go with my dd and gut say and hang in for what I think will be a big pay day. This message was approved by me and is of course as always JUST MY OPINION. GLTA I am back to Lurkland.

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posted June 12, 2004 10:07            

"Q Television will be available to subscribers by satellite."

posted June 12, 2004 10:54            

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Before the internet you did what you broker
told you to do!

posted June 12, 2004 11:22            

tHAT ONE SITE WITH *******.RU NO ONE GO TO IT!!!

It installed like 40 adware programs on my computer any site with .RU means Russia

The site had nothing to do with qtelevision but just listed gay and lesbian words, qtelevision, crap stuff. If anyone went there RUN VIRUS SCAN NOW!!!

DO NOT GO TO THE .RU SITE

Deleted the post with the link.

posted June 12, 2004 12:14            

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Originally posted by JBCak47:
Smctbone:

tHAT ONE SITE WITH *******.RU NO ONE GO TO IT!!!

It installed like 40 adware programs on my computer any site with .RU means Russia

The site had nothing to do with qtelevision but just listed gay and lesbian words, qtelevision, crap stuff. If anyone went there RUN VIRUS SCAN NOW!!!

DO NOT GO TO THE .RU SITE

Deleted the post with the link.

[This message has been edited by Allstocks (edited June 12, 2004).]

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THANK YOU JB!! I came up clean, but when it didn't load immediately, i killed the window... it also helps that i'm on a mac G4... more rare to have problems like that...

posted June 12, 2004 12:21            

G4? Ma man! Dual 800's here. Come on, CMKX, those G5's aren't gonna buy themselves!

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Originally posted by pharmdman:
it also helps that i'm on a mac G4... more rare to have problems like that...

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posted June 12, 2004 12:24            

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Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
Pharm- I see you posted somewhere at 02:18 today, then at 09:35. See you at the next Allstocks Anonymous meeting?

G4? Ma man! Dual 800's here. Come on, CMKX, those G5's aren't gonna buy themselves!

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posted June 12, 2004 12:28            

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Originally posted by pharmdman:
that G5 will soon be mine...

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posted June 12, 2004 12:30            

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Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
AND you can HIRE a pool guy!

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posted June 12, 2004 12:40            

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Originally posted by pharmdman:
LMAO.. i had one, but he kept getting drunk and no-showing... Once I cash in, i'll be outta this house anyway... I think I'll head to sunny ol' southern Calif. (since the humidity in Tampa today is about 1,542,554,423,534%.... I had to swim to my car this morning!

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posted June 12, 2004 12:57            

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Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
Pharm- I see you posted somewhere at 02:18 today, then at 09:35. See you at the next Allstocks Anonymous meeting?

G4? Ma man! Dual 800's here. Come on, CMKX, those G5's aren't gonna buy themselves!

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LMAO!!!

posted June 12, 2004 13:19            

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Originally posted by futuresobjective:
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I am with you... I got tired of swiming to my car... then if you wanted to go somewhere you had to swim from your car... right into an ice cold store... got tired of getting colds... who knew it would take florida's warm weather to keep me sick all year around... but the upside is you dont need a washing machine... just go out around three holding all your cloths in your hands ... hmmm rain fresh! have a good one...

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posted June 12, 2004 13:34            

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Originally posted by JBCak47:

tHAT ONE SITE WITH *******.RU NO ONE GO TO IT!!!

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oooops
Sorry about that...my computer came up clean. Thanks for checking it out though

posted June 12, 2004 13:40            

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Originally posted by pharmdman:
sounds to me like someone's p\ssed because they keep getting busted!... I'm laughing in your face, little man... and I do mean little!...

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posted June 12, 2004 13:41            

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Originally posted by Booty Quest:
ME - OWWWW!!! LOL, where did that come from? On second thought, don't answer. I can't take any more. I'm exhausted form all the action today. A lot of laughing, too. Nap time!!!!

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posted June 12, 2004 13:54            

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Originally posted by pharmdman:
the post that i replied to has already been removed.. but don't worry, Booty... I emailed it to ya! LOL...

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posted June 12, 2004 15:10            

Anyways, the OLD article (2002 maybe) I found referenced paid pumping in relation to Triangle Television. QBID was suspected of paid pumping and those people who were paid to pump could be found on popular stock message boards. They made no mention of penalties.
I just figured that this could be the "history" that dardadog was referring to that could put QBID in "jeopardy."

Regardless, I don't think this matter will affect QBID. As whiz says...
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LAUNCH!...and we're only 9-10 days away from getting great information from our Q.

posted June 12, 2004 15:17            

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Originally posted by PIB:
Where is the Reality Lady?
Do not see a post from her since DarDoggies post.

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posted June 12, 2004 15:28            

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Originally posted by Bob Frey:
She said she had a wedding this weekend I think.

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That's what I thought too

Finally found the site!
This "MEDIA ADVISORY" isn't dated, but it is placed between a 5/2001 article and a 1/2002 article.

"We have long suspected that Triangle and other companies operated
by Frank Olsen from the 1000 E. Tahquitz Canyon, Palm Springs, are
nothing more than pump and dump stock scams. The QBID stock, in
fact, has been recently pumped by a number of promoters paid in
hundreds of thousands of shares of QBID stock. Many of these pumpers
operate on QBID bulletin boards on stock sites trying to entice
individuals into purchasing this stock. Many of the individuals
purchasing this stock are gay/lesbian.

posted June 12, 2004 16:42            

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Originally posted by Smctbone:
That's what I thought too

Finally found the site!
This "MEDIA ADVISORY" isn't dated, but it is placed between a 5/2001 article and a 1/2002 article.

"We have long suspected that Triangle and other companies operated
by Frank Olsen from the 1000 E. Tahquitz Canyon, Palm Springs, are
nothing more than pump and dump stock scams. The QBID stock, in
fact, has been recently pumped by a number of promoters paid in
hundreds of thousands of shares of QBID stock. Many of these pumpers
operate on QBID bulletin boards on stock sites trying to entice
individuals into purchasing this stock. Many of the individuals
purchasing this stock are gay/lesbian.

GLINN is issuing this message as a warning and an invitation
to the gay/lesbian media to investigate this for themselves
and develop news articles for their readers."
http://www.glinn.com/news/rtv1.htm
(It's about 1/3 of the way down the page)

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Nice find, I too believe this is old news and virtually irrelevant now. If QBID is a pump and dump scheme, it would undoubtedly be the most elaborate of the past 100 years. Am I not mistaken but the period when this was written was after the network tried to launch the first time and was unsuccessful. Cable and satelite companies didn't pick up their network, investors lost money, and as a result they were dubbed a pump and dump scheme, among other things. Had they succeeded and the stock went up and stayed there, I highly doubt this would have been said about them even if it was indeed pumped early on. A new controversial thing like a gay television network is going to be surrounded by controversy and naysayers coming from all directions. People will continue to try to discredit Triangle in the future, it wouldn't surprise me to see some fundamentalists try to start negative rumors to attempt to derail Triangle's strides. As savy investors, we need to be aware of this possibility, and not jump to the sell button on the first hint of a controversy.

We saw their test signal, we've read about QBID in the newspapers, we've verified their offices exist, and they haven't mislead us on a single pr this time around. I believe they have learned from their mistakes, they appear to be right where they should be in terms of launching the network. I give Frank Olsen a huge amount of credit for his perseverence, and following his dreams of launching Q Television, even after past failure. To sell on the eve of launching this, zero bad news makes no sense.

posted June 12, 2004 17:49            

I supected that you did!

I also think:

posted June 12, 2004 17:57            

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Originally posted by StonedPigeon:
will
Member posted June 12, 2004 17:12

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posted June 12, 2004 18:17            

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Originally posted by TickerToo:
Inflation hits, so here's my 3cents.

I would think a company who would pay for "pumping" would pick an incredibly smart & savvy person.

Not someone who would post in almost euphoric excitement gabby chat with internet buddies about a big meeting with Frank whereby lots of questions would be asked and oh yes, the trip being paid for!

Let's be rational now. The REALITY is that the posts just prior to the trip to Palm Springs and then on to the scheduled Sacremento area emitted as much joy & excitment as a major U2 fan might express upon just recieving backstage passes to U2... with a promised hug & kiss from Bono!

Most likely, the REALITY was that the little board gal, in her excited state, misinterpreted a secretary trying to be helpful with flight arrangements (times/pick-up etc) AND then was hugely disappointed when the business man in the midst of launching a program he has worked on for years provides, in REALITY, a five minute tour/meeting where few if any questions could be asked.

This, in my internet opinion, appears to be more likely the case. Certainly makes much more sence then a company working for years, overcoming huge obstacles, learning from many mistakes... then right before the launch decides to pay a "pumper" on a board that sees maybe what, 10,000 hits a day... from the same people day in & day out?? May 25 newbies a week to the site? I'd need Allstocks to give us the real stats but Allstocks can't be all that omni-important in the stock world.

Would this said company do something so amazingly stupid knowing that several hundred million people around the world have the potential to buy this stock once it launches?? Think people, think. Is someone, the government, really wasting their time investigating an excited poster gal gabbing with internet buddies?? If so, could they please work on something a bit more lethal like the following...

On CNN tonight: An American man owns a website named something like the Islamic American something-or-other. Four months before 911 he allows an article written in Arabic to be posted on his website, whether written by him or not I'm not sure, stating to the effect that it would be good for Jihad for muslims to hijack airplanes and committ suicide by crashing into... nothing specific given. An American jury found him innocent as he has rights based on the 1st Ammendment. I'm pretty darn sure our ancestors did not begin to have the freedoms we so freely & thoughtlessly provide to all.

If this is possible in todays world, let's get real and get back to the basics of of DD & stocks buckarroos & buckettes. Yes, I'm from the bronco-busting southwest.

This Allstocks board & the members provide information based on DD, posting of confirmable DD, as well as various opinions & speculation. It provides encouragement. It provides validations for those whose brain & gut are not synchronized. Moral support. Even allows letting off steam. Even allows manipulative people to strike fear. Or truly concerned people to strike the same fear without meaning to. Now that's 1st Amendment rights.

Try not to expend all your energy this weekend contemplating stocks, money & other people's opinions! Go out there and make this a really great weekend!!

That was my inflated 3cents. Goodnight all.

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posted June 12, 2004 20:10            

I can't believe that a certain stock firm plans on trading 1 Billion shares this coming Tuesday. At that time QBID share price will go from .022 to .05 in 1 trading day. Only the few that know this, are putting in buy orders to get in at Mondays price.
Be aware that the price will drop on Wednesday from profit taking so enjoy the ride.

See how easy that was.