What I meant was that Lloyd has the option to spin-off QTN from TMM because they are operating as separate companies. This is speculation on my part because we don’t know whether or not QTN is actually an asset of TMM (QBID)… I know, I know, we have PRs from Frankie, but I don’t believe them. We never got an audit that would explain this. Therefore, Lloyd has the option to keep QTN under different ticker (remember the 75K shares) or keep it private and get rid of all the TMM (QBID) "assets” or reverse split QBID shares or whatever. We don’t know what QBID assets/debt are worth. I am looking at this from a purely business perspective, not Frankie’s “dream.” IMO, if Lloyd is a sure fire hard-nose business type, he will rape and pillage and keep what he believes is the money maker and sell off everything else that is not core to his plan. The problem lies with the manner in which Frankie lined up and separated the TMM/QTN organization. Which, I think was an attempt by Frankie to try to and screw everyone, including investors. In the long run it seems Frankie screwed himself. Again, this speculation, God knows what kind of deal Frankie the Fraudster worked with Lloyd.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: millertime you need a lesson in public relations ...
Rod Good try but wasted effort, I'm afraid. Learning requires an open mind ... and the ability to retain information. I haven't seen evidence of either lately. But I do have an explanation for his recent post:
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)
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same lack of information to shareholders--from the company OR the 'investor relations' (using that term about as loosely as it can be used) guy.
i have called on mr. fan to release the information that he knows about this PUBLIC company that WE OWN and have FUNDED.
i have asked richard (ir) brown to behave like an investor relations fellow and tell us when can we expect the paperwork to be filed with the state of Washington installing Fan, and removing Olsen.
i've said here many times that UNCERTAINTY is killing this stock. unless and until some of those uncertainties are removed, this thing won't move. who would "invest" new money into the bottomless abyss of unknown that we are right now?
well, we'll see what (if anything) will be revealed--OFFICIALLY--this week. ...not an email about the "foreseeable future and when appropriate, he will address the shareholders on his business plan. This process will take some time and I will update all shareholders as information becomes available."
"WHEN APPROPRIATE" ??????? it's not appropriate NOW????????
"process will take some time" ??????? how many more YEARS????????
lol...if it wasn't so sad. good luck all....
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Interesting how Olsen's (Olson's) staunchest supporters, who defended him vehemently as the best thing since sliced bread, opined for hours about how brilliant he is as a business man, and outright attacked anyone who said different, are now refering to him as slimy, a liar, a horrible business man, good riddance, etc. And, interestingly, are now talking up the new guy (Fan) as if he is the latest greatest best thing, when in fact we know little to nothing about him. Call it 'being positive' if you want, only a gay stock could be this over-the-top dramatic. Too funny!
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Well heres my take Mr Fan just wants his products on tv so he can sell them, so you buy Qtv firer all, and start anew. Now whats the best way to do that? BK QBID, R/S The shares, What will COX,RCN.ECT think of this? Hell they might like it. Mr Fan sells the rights to the gay games to LOGO for some fast cash? Well any thoughts on this one???
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Imak, you may be on to something. Buy for dirt cheap/hostile takeover TMM, part it out, sell the pieces, including rights to gay games, take what's left (QTV) and turn it into a shopping channel. Hmmm, as good a speculation as any...
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Question: Is Mr. Fan a gay businessman. In other words, is a gay television a dream he would like to make happen? If he's not gay will he turn it into another LOGO? Or is he a sharp business man who sees an opportunity? Or is he not a smart business man who got taken by Frank?
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: millertime you need a lesson in public relations ...
Rod Good try but wasted effort, I'm afraid. Learning requires an open mind ... and the ability to retain information. I haven't seen evidence of either lately. But I do have an explanation for his recent post:
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)
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I have some problems with Jen's post's. First she mentioned that "Mr. Fan currently operates companies that are substantially larger than Q. Mr. Fan has shown his willingness to make Q successful and he has the finances to do it." I have yet to see anything that is real about Mr. Fan's current companies in Taiwan and their pocket's, nor have i see any information reguarding his respecitibility in Asia.
2) "He has already demonstrated that he can and does have the credentials to resolve Q’s current issues." How so? because a PR told us so? I have not seen a resume nor have i seen any useful information that points to what the guy has done in the SouthWest region of ASIA.
3) "All we have to do is put our faith into someone that has a proven track record." I have yet to see any information that proves anything that Mr. Fan has done in the past, unless i missed a post since i did my search for the guy i really dont see how you have come to these conclusions?
Please dont misunderstand, im not tring to bash the girl, i merely wish to see evidence of the claims that she has made. An article from a respectible news source, a financial page of some kinda, id even take a resume at this point. Where are you getting your information from Jen? Because from where i sit now your basing your whole argument off one PR, from a company that is known to put out dishonest PR's reguardless of a new CEO being at the helm or not.
Id would just like to see proof of what you obviously feel so strongly towards. I'm just asking you to back up your claims is all.
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how bout it Jenn. where are you basing your statements from.
MM makes some really good points.
I would like to see more info about this mans credentials.
it bothers me that we have not been able to find out more about this individual.
how do you gain such respect and not be able to find the man on the internet?
Please share with us the info you have on Mr Fan.
thanks in advance Jenn.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: I have some problems with Jen's post's. First she mentioned that "Mr. Fan currently operates companies that are substantially larger than Q. Mr. Fan has shown his willingness to make Q successful and he has the finances to do it." I have yet to see anything that is real about Mr. Fan's current companies in Taiwan and their pocket's, nor have i see any information reguarding his respecitibility in Asia.
2) "He has already demonstrated that he can and does have the credentials to resolve Q’s current issues." How so? because a PR told us so? I have not seen a resume nor have i seen any useful information that points to what the guy has done in the SouthWest region of ASIA.
3) "All we have to do is put our faith into someone that has a proven track record." I have yet to see any information that proves anything that Mr. Fan has done in the past, unless i missed a post since i did my search for the guy i really dont see how you have come to these conclusions?
Please dont misunderstand, im not tring to bash the girl, i merely wish to see evidence of the claims that she has made. An article from a respectible news source, a financial page of some kinda, id even take a resume at this point. Where are you getting your information from Jen? Because from where i sit now your basing your whole argument off one PR, from a company that is known to put out dishonest PR's reguardless of a new CEO being at the helm or not.
Id would just like to see proof of what you obviously feel so strongly towards. I'm just asking you to back up your claims is all.
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quote:Originally posted by LEO: Interesting how Olsen's (Olson's) staunchest supporters, who defended him vehemently as the best thing since sliced bread, opined for hours about how brilliant he is as a business man, and outright attacked anyone who said different, are now refering to him as slimy, a liar, a horrible business man, good riddance, etc. And, interestingly, are now talking up the new guy (Fan) as if he is the latest greatest best thing, when in fact we know little to nothing about him. Call it 'being positive' if you want, only a gay stock could be this over-the-top dramatic. Too funny!
LEO Opinions ... like decisions ... must be based on the most current information at hand. At one time, Frank appeared personally and professionally credible and capable of running the Q organization. However, "current information" has altered this perception for many people ... including me.
I still believe that Frank honestly had a dream of creating a network aimed at the GLBT market, but it now appears he did not have the ability to make it happen. So, "current information" has changed my opinion of his management ability. I see nothing incongruous about changing my opinion when there is a reason for doing so. Continuing to support Frank's "brilliance" as a businessman would be much more ludicrous at this point.
As for Mr. Fan: Although I know nothing about him and therefore cannot form an accurate opinion of him, I see him as being "better than" Frank at this point and "better than" means "improvement" and "improvement" means "positive" and ... well, I think you get the picture.
Based on current information (what little than is), I prefer to see the glass half full rather than half empty. But the bottomline is ... I am not making any decisons based on the limited information available at the present time.
By the way, although most of us are not "happy" with Frank right now, we still don't know enough about him and his management of Q to judge him fairly. He may actually be a brilliant man with bad luck ... or whatever. Who knows for sure? Not me.
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Good points MM. I have wondered the same. And I would like to highlight for a moment:
"...3) "All we have to do is put our faith into someone that has a proven track record." I have yet to see any information that proves anything that Mr. Fan has done in the past, unless i missed a post since i did my search for the guy i really dont see how you have come to these conclusions?..."
Something I've noticed a lot of before are people (Not just Jen) who write that we "must have faith in," "must belive in," need to trust," and many other things I expect to hear when discussing religion, not a stock.
I too would like to know WHY we should TRUST this new guy.
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And Bottomliner, one of the things I appreciate about your postings is that you remind us that we really don't know enough to know anything. Thanks for helping to 'keep it real'.
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Heres another thing that bothers me. There was an article in the chicago tribune (sp) about the ability to search the internet and finding about 2500 CIA employee's, and 10 bases across the nation. 20 + were actual undercover agents. I think the story was run yesturday, and you have to be a registered member to view it now.
The point being if i can google and find CIA operatives yet i can't find a "well respected" business man in Asia, something seems a little fishy to me. Granted CIA probably isnt the best at keeping up with technological changes BUT STILL, something just dosent seem right here.
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At some point Frank had to step aside imo. Companies like this go thru transitions.I belive Frank has gone as far as he is capable of and its time for someone else to help, someone with expereince at the next level. My wifes company she worked for just went thru a similar transition the only differance was the transition co bought them out to start with. They took this co and restructured it so it could be sold to the big boys. They owned it for two years and sold it to Dover Corp. IMO this is a similar type of sitituation exepct we have a interum CEO instead to help to get to the next level. Hopefuly Fan is the one.
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I see where you are going with this and can see both sides of the coin. Now one thing I want to bring up is your comments on the PR's and glad you did.
Seeing as PR's are considered legal statements, both Fat Boy and Fan can be held responsible for them. Fan has absorbed the responsibility for Frank writing them. The disclaimer for Q does not disseminate anyone from fraud. This puts the shareholders back in the driver’s seat in a sort of a way. I don’t think he will rape the shareholders as he will be counting on them for support and growth if he plans on getting anywhere.
As we do have a PR we own everything, any attempt to separate them would give us the legal right to a chunk of the subsidiary. If say Fan was to make a new company and just move the assets to clean things up, I am sure the courts would be very interested in the shareholders peril. I don’t think he will do that.
One thing I am still pondering on is having a chat with the IRS and pointing out a few things to them about Frank. I would encourage the rest of you to do the same. Falsely creating expenses is one I am sure they could nail him for. Suspicion would be enough for them to dig there teeth into.I don’t care if they took everything he has or even if they took nothing, but just to put his Fat Azz through the ringer and create some discomfort him would make us all smile.
I can honestly say he was not a dignitary for the GLBT or anyone else. To say he was or is would be an outright insult.
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: Buck,
What I meant was that Lloyd has the option to spin-off QTN from TMM because they are operating as separate companies. This is speculation on my part because we don’t know whether or not QTN is actually an asset of TMM (QBID)… I know, I know, we have PRs from Frankie, but I don’t believe them. We never got an audit that would explain this. Therefore, Lloyd has the option to keep QTN under different ticker (remember the 75K shares) or keep it private and get rid of all the TMM (QBID) "assets” or reverse split QBID shares or whatever. We don’t know what QBID assets/debt are worth. I am looking at this from a purely business perspective, not Frankie’s “dream.” IMO, if Lloyd is a sure fire hard-nose business type, he will rape and pillage and keep what he believes is the money maker and sell off everything else that is not core to his plan. The problem lies with the manner in which Frankie lined up and separated the TMM/QTN organization. Which, I think was an attempt by Frankie to try to and screw everyone, including investors. In the long run it seems Frankie screwed himself. Again, this speculation, God knows what kind of deal Frankie the Fraudster worked with Lloyd.
quote:Originally posted by LEO: Imak, you may be on to something. Buy for dirt cheap/hostile takeover TMM, part it out, sell the pieces, including rights to gay games, take what's left (QTV) and turn it into a shopping channel. Hmmm, as good a speculation as any...
A shopping network?...no way! That would never happen. I would think that he realizes there is no room for another shopping network. Hell the gay shop no different than straight when it comes to goods.
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OH MY GOD. LMAO. ahahahahah hahahhah, outright hilarious and im laughing my butt off again.
3. PPS is going to go up after a RS. you are out of your mind girl. Yes theroritcally it goes up, stopped posting when I asked you to explain who inbut lets say that they RS it up to 5 cents a share. Now, it will mathimatically be the same as a .0001 with a higher OS. But trust me when i say their will not be any profit taking because of a run up. It will open that day at around 5 cents and close at around 2-3 cents.
RS are devasting. Worst thing in penny stocks besides bankruptcy.
RS from a company sitting at .0001 with a OS at 100B+ is worst case scenario.
sorry if this sounded rude, in fact, you made my day start off great. thanks. [/QB][/QUOTE] ************************************************** ************************************************** MT, rude???
That was not the word that came to my mind.
Which does remind me, do be careful with the bottom disfiguring laughter!
You may need something to sit on--both you and
your friends--possibly the "we" friends who with you bring dd to the board.
Remember, you mentioned them on the last thread?
------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------ I'm flattered than you wrote such a long post in response to my theoretical statement which was not addressed to you.
My response concerning an r/s was to pappy--not to you.
I used the word "should" not will--but you know that. Errr, you should know that.
Depending on when a purchase is made and sold--immediately after a split--profits can be made for those who are able to get in and out quickly. Try it some time.
But your comments were not really about stocks, were they?
Baby, you will have to try harder if you are going to try to "cut me up".
In my past work experiences, I have dealt with numerous bad boys--real ones--not the want-to-be variety.
In regard to profit taking, I did not say that those holding could make a profit. That would depend on the purchase price and the r/s.
Not expecting statements to be taken out of the context of the entire post, I didn't elaborate.
However, I did write several paragraphs explaining why an r/s would be bad for us. Did you read them?
BTW, are you still in--how many shares?
In the future, I will try to be careful to write in a more simplistic style to help you avoid jumping to conclusions.
Or, could bullets help you?
I could add them to the end of my posts.
Posts are written with black script on a white background that create gray areas--inferences.
MT, an impulsive, attack reaction "could" be a plus alone on a dark city street.
However, within a social context................ .........save your sympathy for yourself.....you are "probably" going to need it for a long time or at least until you allow yourself to grow up.
BTW, there are probably many excellent practitioners in your area who could help you along the way.
quote:Originally posted by LEO: Not a gay shopping network, QBID'n, just a shopping network. I could see it, why not? Just pure speculation, of course.
Leo I know you are just trying to stay positive but I just can't see Q being profitable this late in the game of home shopping networks.
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quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: I have some problems with Jen's post's. First she mentioned that "Mr. Fan currently operates companies that are substantially larger than Q. Mr. Fan has shown his willingness to make Q successful and he has the finances to do it." I have yet to see anything that is real about Mr. Fan's current companies in Taiwan and their pocket's, nor have i see any information reguarding his respecitibility in Asia.
2) "He has already demonstrated that he can and does have the credentials to resolve Q’s current issues." How so? because a PR told us so? I have not seen a resume nor have i seen any useful information that points to what the guy has done in the SouthWest region of ASIA.
3) "All we have to do is put our faith into someone that has a proven track record." I have yet to see any information that proves anything that Mr. Fan has done in the past, unless i missed a post since i did my search for the guy i really dont see how you have come to these conclusions?
Please dont misunderstand, im not tring to bash the girl, i merely wish to see evidence of the claims that she has made. An article from a respectible news source, a financial page of some kinda, id even take a resume at this point. Where are you getting your information from Jen? Because from where i sit now your basing your whole argument off one PR, from a company that is known to put out dishonest PR's reguardless of a new CEO being at the helm or not.
Id would just like to see proof of what you obviously feel so strongly towards. I'm just asking you to back up your claims is all.
MM I agree...we do need proof of his experience in matters of business. Thats cut and dry.
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Jenn I know you are trying to stay positive, but like most, throughout the chinese business market news media I have searched, and sent emails for information, only to find nothing.
Now don't get me wrong, I am long as well. And I have the patience it will take for my reward, it's just that in my routine of initial research.... I found nothing.
At least not enough to substantiate your speculation. lol
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lets face it...in my opinion this stock is in a coma, and its going to take some high speed doctors to bring it out. even when one does come out of a coma there are lasting side effects, and recovery takes time and SACRIFICES. QBID.PK is in a coma.
what would those sacrifices be? well...i suggested a R/S and that is one that looks unavoidable. sure someone said it would destroy the company at .0001 but what else are you going to do? ohhhh buyback shares? hundreds of billions of shares? do you know how long that would take? do you know how much mony that would cost? ohhhh but they SHOULD have revenue soon. SHOULD being the key word because nothing is for sure moment. Well so what if we do get revenues? obviously it is REALLY expensive to run things, and those revenues will be helping the company break even.
QBID had a bad doctor, and all you staunch frank supporters better rethink your thoughts. sure frank was a nice man and i dont doubt that, but he did make mistakes and thats ok because most companies do when they start out.
i have not watched any Q programming to compare it with say logo. I probably wont subscribe just because im not really into that whole lifestyle so that is an area i am foggy in. has anyone been able to compare networks? i wonder if the big boys in their decision making rooms see anyone else a better investment now. we need superior management now to pull us out.
of course my opinion only
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Cow you seem to be one of the only few with issues concerning Frank. Well guess what?...we've moved on. lol Catch up man. We no longer care about Frank and the past. We are are now trying to cordially come together and discuss our position today.
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