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Now if you want to do some real average statistics then I think having Ameritrades and E-trades total avg. of between 10-11 billion shares is a good statistical avg. That is a large population of share holders with no error of who would send in and who wouldn't send in infromation. That would make the avg holdings of 10.5 million shares for all holders including certs so that is 603 billion shares total. Still no proof there yet.
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quote:Nobody seems to know what we own or dont own. Still waiting for Uncle Urbie to provide a hint.
In my opinion, in about a month or so it won't matter anyway and you'll know exactly what you own. No CMKX stock and however many shares of worthless dividend stock you currently have, that's it. Total value: $0.00
Are you going to add IMO to that post Up?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haha…just take a look at these numbers that have been derived from Frizzel's latest update:
I will calculate two possible ways:
If we use the share holdings given by ADP we can see the joint holdings should be
Now working out the averages using the naked fax :
Etrade:
(74,563,304,923) / (1357) = 54.947166M
Ameritrade:
(109,213,056,640) / (2593) = 42.118417M
Extrapolating these naked fax numbers (given that the number of accounts given by Ameritrade & E-trade are correct) it appears that the holdings may be:
Now compare the 1.287Trillion with their claims of 287.45B
This is all based on if the averages hold though!
Frizzel's letter has presented these numbers and he implies in the letter that the OBO/NOBO list appears to be incorrect as the averages obtained through the naked fax campaign way above what the OBO/NOBO appears to be showing...
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Started it out that way.
Ooops Up, occasionally I make a mistake. LOL
Occasionally?
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Hey guys have you gotten your new scripts yet. What you are supposed to do now, is admit to the naked shorting, but blame it on the company and the TA. If you haven't received them yet, maybe you can take a lead from the "Queen of Bashers", Janice Shells:
25 May 2005, 02:23 PM EDT Msg. 963962 of 963970 Jump to msg. # Janice Shell post:
Posted by: janice shell In reply to: gump90 who wrote msg# 168849 Date:5/22/2005 4:46:32 PM Post #of 169305
There very definitely is a naked short position in that stock. But it has nothing to do with the Evil MMs or the Even More Evil Hedge Funds. It's entirely the fault of the company and the TA.
Nobody actually intended to short the stock, but, ah, they did. And now they're in one helluva mess.
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Hey guys have you gotten your new scripts yet. What you are supposed to do now, is admit to the naked shorting, but blame it on the company and the TA. If you haven't received them yet, maybe you can take a lead from the "Queen of Bashers", Janice Shells:
25 May 2005, 02:23 PM EDT Msg. 963962 of 963970 Jump to msg. # Janice Shell post:
Posted by: janice shell In reply to: gump90 who wrote msg# 168849 Date:5/22/2005 4:46:32 PM Post #of 169305
There very definitely is a naked short position in that stock. But it has nothing to do with the Evil MMs or the Even More Evil Hedge Funds. It's entirely the fault of the company and the TA.
Nobody actually intended to short the stock, but, ah, they did. And now they're in one helluva mess.
So Urban et al are fully responsible for selling shares that they did not have, oh yes it's all coming together, or in the case of CMKX "Apart" Legal we don't need new scripts we can get enough material from the crap you post.
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No different then Fuzzy Frizzle Math - I think they got that from the 2 trillion shares the TA said was sold at the hearing(that was total from 2003 to present). But didn't get the point of that was sell/buys over time. Sorta like Frizzle can't understand that he get the larger investors to send in information first while smaller ones feel there don't matter so his numbers would have a larger avg then the general population.
FACT: when taking the National Teachers exam, 75% of the failure rate is from the math portion of the test. And thats your teachers for elementary and middle school. Some have to take the test as many as 5 times before they pass. No wonder we get people that can't understand NUMBERS.
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Member Rated: posted May 25, 2005 14:50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ooops Up, occasionally I make a mistake. LOL
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i'd like to see when you got it right???
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quote:Originally posted by Upside: Started it out that way.
Ooops Up, occasionally I make a mistake. LOL
Like CMKX....yup
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I hate people who extrapolate....it always smells bad....
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i wonder if there was a way to get frizzy & group to divert their efforts to a real company? 1 where you have know the o/s for a while, where insider holdings aren't a big secret. a company that doesn't need a computer to figure out the numbers of shares involved.
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whats the cult going to do when ameritrade & e-trade replys that those numbers are very close to current numbers? wanna bet they call both brokers liars & come up with a wild reason why & how they are lying & some far world idea to prove their point???
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bill, no matter what they might say, that assumes that Ameritrade/E-Trade will reply.
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One thing that bothers me is if the NOBO/OBO list had the numbers all along then why weren't they published. Why hide these numbers? I realize they are using fuzzy frizzle math to disprove the numbers but what does the NOBO/OBO list show for a total? Why would you think 60K is correct but the totals aren't? I bet it adds up and that is why he won't release it. Because when Ameritrade and E-Trade confirm there number were reported correcty then wouldn't the rest then be considered reasonablly correct?
It obviously didn't prove NSS or he would have used it in court. Maybe people would want there $25 back.
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I agree with what Wallace said above, my guess is they won't reply or their reply will be that they are not going to provide the information. Why should they?
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By the way, way would people from the christian traders ever bother and read, let alone believe and repost, anyone that considers themselves God of Diamonds?
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That was my first thought, Ameritrade and E*Trade are under no obligation to respond to Mr. Frizzell. They should take the fifth like Urban has. They might reply, but not with any answers. It will be a thank you, no thank you response.
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quote:That was my first thought, Ameritrade and E*Trade are under no obligation to respond to Mr. Frizzell.
Actually they might be if you look at the current laws surrounding fiduciary obligations between a broker and a client but until they're ordered by a court to disclose the information, they're not going to do it, in my opinion.
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Up wrote: "until they're ordered by a court to disclose the information, they're not going to do it, in my opinion."
Agreed. He might just get a letter back from their attys saying confidential client/customer information will not be disclosed. If they are the least bit dirty, they MUST protect themselves as well. As you suggested, I think it would require a court order too.
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: By the way, way would people from the christian traders ever bother and read, let alone believe and repost, anyone that considers themselves God of Diamonds?
Ric, any attempt to attack the Christians, huh? Do you score more points with Wallace when you do that? The term "God of Diamonds" has nothing to do with Christian Traders, it is a level at PB 32. If you are going to attack Christians, at least get your facts straight.
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Gender: Posts: 1020 Hi Everyone. 25 may 2005 « Thread started on: Today at 3:15pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone.
I have just a minute. Just wanted to say that I believe everything is going well with CMKM Diamonds. Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu along with the efforts of Mr. Stoeckline and Mr. Frizzell/Owners Group are continuing to work towards a successful completion of the tasks that are at hand. Namely, the Administrative Hearing, the filings, identifying/exposing the NSS position, developing the assets, and building more shareholder value, etc…
In my opinion we are filling in a lot of the voids/gaps pertaining to the necessary data that is required to be filed for 2002-2004. I believe this past 8k was informative although not relatively good or bad news. We do know for sure that we reportedly have professionals looking over our potential targets and they will set up a drilling plan for us. We all knew that the Carolyn Pipe information had to be processed through the filings and that was somewhat accomplished along with particular drilling data. However complete or incomplete the drilling data or the report is as it pertains to this particular 8k is irrelevant, IMHO. I believe it will serve all of us well to draw no conclusions until all of the data is in. The data will come as promised by Mr. Maheu, although it may not be when we want it (such as yesterday), it will come.
There is much more information to be revealed, as we all know, but I believe Mr. Maheu when he told Judge Murray that CMKM Diamonds could and would provide the necessary filings and information.
I have been spending a lot of time lately contacting President Bush, Committees, our Senators and Representatives over the last few weeks trying to draw attention to the continued manipulation of rules and regulations to skirt the issues of the NSS positions, hide the perpetrators, and promote the co-conspirators (IMO - Annette Nazareth). Please feel free to contact any and all of your representatives regularly to keep these and other issues in their mind and hopefully on their agenda.
Interesting is the stepped up effort by the DTCC, NSCC, and the SEC to hedge for any possible or probable losses from willful misconduct, gross negligence, etc… along with a fresh push to do away with paper certificates and accomplish T+0 settling (also known as STP). T+3 is creating $1 billion per day in failed settles and they can’t control it through their current regulatory enforcements and they want to move to a T+0 settling formula. Why? So that these NSS positions will kind of disappear in the muck of the mountain of daily fails to deliver that would be created by the T+0? Not good! IMHO
The “Grandfathering” of the NSS issue as passed by the SEC is not acceptable IMHO and I am spending time working to bring the “crime” and “identify the criminals” that did this (Annette Nazareth/SEC) before the Congress. Personally I believe we will be able to defeat the “Grandfathering in of the NSS” and hopefully show that the SEC has “no authority” to issue “get out of jail free cards” to past market manipulators or any co-conspirators within Gov’t agencies, not excluding the agency itself.
I have heard that the Fax Campaign is going well with the Owners Group and I do believe we need to stay on top of that by bringing our friends and relatives to the task of reporting their shares to the company through the OG.
I believe Hugo is still moving forward and I believe the trip is set for Jun 6, 2005 to Washington and Jun 7, 2005 to N.Y. I hope the best for Hugo and all that are able to join him. I have jeard that the number is upwards of 600 at this time. There are other companies that have NSS positions against them as well, and if some of you are able to contact them and let them know what is going on we may pick up a few more hundred for the trip. CMKM Diamonds is not alone in this NSS battle and we need to recruit as many like minded individuals as we can. JMHO of course.
I have been long enough, but I do appreciate the efforts by so many to do so much for others. Many have asked how I feel about CMKM Diamonds and what are chances are? I personally feel we are on track to accomplish our goals in all aspects; reporting, hearing, corporate officers, team management; directors, mining, acquisitions, development of assets in general; and increasing shareholder value whether the market shows appreciation or not in the PPS. Too, if I ever feel any differently I will let you know. I am not a paid financial advisor or market professional so please don’t make any buy or sell decisions based upon my opinions.
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Volume for last 52 weeks and since 500 billion shares were diluted from 3/2004 to 3/2005 then that was avg of 2 billion shares a day from dilution. Even if half to UC which I don't really beleave then pinks are doubled in volume by posting both sell and buy to volume.
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I knew where it was from. But you promote there site with your repost all the time.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Ric: By the way, way would people from the christian traders ever bother and read, let alone believe and repost, anyone that considers themselves God of Diamonds?
Ric, any attempt to attack the Christians, huh? Do you score more points with Wallace when you do that? The term "God of Diamonds" has nothing to do with Christian Traders, it is a level at PB 32. If you are going to attack Christians, at least get your facts straight.
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i'm not real sure what either ameritrades or e-trades answer might be but i think 1 regulation that needs installing is no brokers or mm's can be in the same company or invest in each other. we pay our brokers to be the middlemen between us & the mm's. both can see a lot more of the picture then we can. its like built-in insider info. the mm's knew long before we did just how bad UC was dumping shares into the market. our brokers did too or they should have by the number of shares showing up in accounts. ameritrade has a big investment in nite, if nite is short on any stock do you think they will expose it? a large group of shareholders asks for info on any given stock it can be given without exposing each investor or any personal info so by rights it should be no problem for frizzy to get. cmkx is probably short 100 billion or so but who cares...any company that issues 704 billion shares into the o/s is headed for the toilet to be flushed, i dont care if UC owns 51% its still sewer time. there will never be any company value. if the company doesn't care what they are doing to their shareholder value why should the mm's?
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ya forgot the 111 billion that jeff never posted to the tape...lol...if you do a running count of the shares Ric just posted & this includes some rounding of anything under 1 billion so its not to the share but close you get, including 111 billion jeff did not post to tape 492 billion shares. thats total traded over the last yr. when the form 15 was filed the o/s was 7.5 billion. so there is 1 yrs of trading missing.if UC took most of the last 279 billion added to the o/s so that he got divys in USCA i'd say the NS has a long way to go to prove any great short.
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