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well i'm up to lunch in this...pg. 209. so far the SEC has proven UC should have know there were over 300 shareholders beyond any resonable doubt. 697 cert holders & cede & co. much of the 697 had restricted shares it would seem at least many did. 1 poor soul got paid 10K restricted shares. at todays pps thats not even the sugar for a cup of coffee. they said no NS evidence & then backed it up by saying they could have brought evidence about some shady shares being dumped for cash that didn't look to end up in the company but since this hearing was about filing only they left that evidence at home. they did show how quickly volume changed after form 15. they have the stocklein accountant & the auditor that quit both saying they ask for but get no records. 1 said books are non-existant along with any other needed info. the standard cmkx response is "i have it somewhere, i'll get it for you." or "i'll see if i can find it"


i cant wait to see the cults reaction to this but i'll wait till i finish this thing...lol.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ric:
Should I make up a new name and respond to you a couple hundred times to help out there, lol.

I am looking for someone to say they are mining bronze next. They found a truck load of it. CMKX has the only mine in the world were copper and tin melted together under the intense pressures of the last ice age to become the worlds first naturally occuring alloy.

No bronze, but there was a report of steel being found....

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Stainless????

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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
My cost basis is about $5.00 per shirt. I'll sell them to members of the "merry men" at cost. You want the duck noise on the front or back?

I want the QUACKs on the front and the SCAM thing on the back. Would you like to be paid in CMKX shares? Or, how about "I'm working on paying you."?
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well i finished it ands all i can say is...i thought cmkx would call some witnesses to speak in their favor? ya know somebody with something to say that would benifit their case. the first guy said he got everything from ecudor because cmkx owed him. the second couldn't remember anything other then UC wanted to report & was hinting he would at the party. the third didn't know anything but insisted he demanded everything be done by the book. of course he didn't know nobody had any records to do things by the book. the fourth sounded like she was afraid for her job. if she said anything to hurt cmkx she would get fired & still all she said was we need records & we haven't got them. 1 h**l of a defense there.

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Do you remember Mr. Levines cross by Frizzle. For a minute there I thought he was the SEC attorney. He got him to say for the record that CMKX was a company his firm wouldn't want to represent and that he felt that UC taking the fifth was bad and made him repeat over and over that he never got records from the company.

Frizzle also at one point in his opening even had the Judge state when talking about the shareholders: The Judge

"Are people buying stock in this company knowing that the company's under investigation, that it hasn't filed, it's in violation of securities laws.

Doesn't that say a lot about what the Judge is thinking?

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Frizzle is asking for another $25.00 and a new group agreement to continue working on the case. LOL

FRIZZELL LAW FIRM
305 S. Broadway, Suite 302
Tyler, Texas 75702
(903)595-1921
E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com


To the Owners Group members:
From: John Martin


First I would like to thank each and every one of you who have helped
support this movement. There is no doubt in my mind that without your help
our company may have already been revoked, and no one would have known any
better. Because of you all, the world knows more about naked shorting, and
they know about our plight as CMKX shareholders.

I know it was very scary at first with an attorney jumping into the scene
because, unfortunately, there are bad apples in every profession, and also
unfortunately most of us have either dealt with one or have heard bad
things.

I also understand how difficult it was with some stranger jumping in and
hiring the attorney. How dare he! Who does he think he is? I agree, I would
have thought the same thing. I commend each and every one of you though for
looking past your fears, and giving Bill a chance. You now have seen what I
knew, and that is, that Bill is an incredible attorney who cares about his
clients. He is also the type of attorney that will jump in with both feet
for someone. He took a very big chance in this case for me, for us. He put
his 27 year law practice on the line, virtually shutting everything down so
he could work on this case. I think you all agree with me that he has done
an incredible job for us, his clients.

I have asked Bill if he would consider continuing to work for the group. His
response to me was that he would be honored to work for us if we so desired.
I immediately went to some of the most respected posters on the boards and
asked their opinions as to whether they felt the OG would like for Bill to
continue with Phase 2, and if so, how did they think Bill should word his
agreement with everyone? Every one of them stated to me essentially the same
thing. John, as long as Bill is not going to involve us in a class action
law suit, we trust that he is going to do everything he can to protect our
interests, we feel he should have the liberty to do what he thinks he needs
to do.

It is important to know that Bill is very sensitive to the issue of giving
his clients something for their money. I have asked him to make another
agreement and for him to put in there the few items that he wanted to
stipulate he was going to do for the fee of 25.00 per person. The only thing
he requested of me was to make sure that everyone understands that if he has
to litigate with any entities other than with the SEC over the FOIA, (which
he would like to do right away) he will need to ask for more funds. (as you
know, Bill does not like litigation because it is expensive and time
consuming, so he will come to the shareholders first before instigating
anything of this sort).

I also want everyone to know that Bill does not consider the Phase 1
agreement to be over until the Judge makes her ruling. Bill is going to
continue updating the group, and doing everything he needs to do to continue
protecting us. He is just having to go way beyond the Phase 1 activities
now, and needs to secure the agreement with all of us for the new and
upcoming work.


There have been several hundred sign ups over the last few weeks, as well as
folks that have been donating more funds. I want to be fair to all of you
and make sure that your dollars go toward the new agreement. If you have
signed up since June 1st or donated funds since the same date, please note
this on your agreement when you fill it out and we will cross check your
info with what has come in since June 1 and include you in the new group.

I know there are going to be new members joining our family, and
unfortunately there will be those who do not wish to continue with us. For
this reason I have asked the IT GUY to make a new data base for all who sign
the new agreement. This time we will not need your information pertaining to
your holdings, but we would like your address and phone numbers. There were
several instances in which we needed a phone number over the past few months
and were not able to contact a shareholder. Do not feel you have to supply
this information if you would prefer not to..

I realize that most of you know and appreciate all that has been done by
Bill to keep our company from being revoked. I have heard concerns from many
that know that the $25 fee probably was barely enough to pay the expenses,
and they are right.

However, I would like to talk for a second to those of you (and it is only a
few) who are going to object to my asking for everyone to chip in again. I
may as well head off the arguments right up front. I have been asked many
times to post the accounting of expenses and have decided to handle it in
this manner.

Only 4223 of the 5582 have sent in their monies from the first agreement.
Bill has not brought in 140k as is being posted.

The Law Firm has transferred all new business to other attorneys. Bill took
on no new accounts, and finished the ones he was on quickly so he could
spend 100% of his time on the Owners Group. Bill has spent probably 80 hours
per week on this case. I know because I was there most of the time. If Bill
had even come close to billing us his normal rate, he would have burned up
the cash over a month ago.

Instead, he bought the equipment he needed, hired the people he needed,
(Maintained 19 people at one time for 72 hours straight just before the
hearing) he bought the stamps and paper and envelopes needed for the mail
out, travel on two trips, the phone bill was over $1200 per month, the
electric bill was more than double, the new server upgrade, the web page was
designed and built, and on and on and on. I doubt that Bill did anything but
keep his doors open at most.


Most of all, I would like you all to know that I think this group is one of
the most powerful forces in our market. We have accomplished more in a few
months than anyone ever expected. Yes Bill is a good attorney, but the
reason he is so good is because you all have rallied around him.

The power of the group comes across in his documents and his actions. You
all are the reason for our success and it is extremely important we
continue to grow stronger and larger. We can accomplish far more than we
have already, and I know we will.


The Phase 2 agreement will be up on the Owners Group site after lunch
central time tomorrow (WED 22nd) at www.cmkxownersgroup.com


Thank you again for all your support and help.

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Shoot if I knew that this would be this simple to take peoples money I would have got my brother in law to do this. LOL

Looks like frizzle found a way to get his investment back.

I like the comment on, well not all the 5500 paid the $25. ONLY 4223 did so he only got $105,500 for his services not 140,000 as posted on internet. But all those people on pro board are standing in line to pay him again.

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My $25 will go where the first $25 went. Into paying my bills. This Frizz guy is an exercise in futility.
P.T. Barnum was right: A sucker is born every minute. This accounts for 4223 minutes anyway.

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well if you take in account lawyer fee's i think frizzy did not get over paid. it was worth a shot for the cult. but just like stocklein frizzy had nothing left to work with. UC left cmkx is such a hole there wasn't enough ladder to get out. its over now, no NS will be considered after july 15th. it would be nice to see the trade records for 2 reasons, first to see the final total of shares in the market & second maybe there is a clue to UC's dumping of shares. maybe he can be caught & brought to justice.

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Maybe the cult should ask Urban et al to give a few bucks for the cause as it would appear that getting a dismissal would help Urban more than the shareholders [Big Grin]

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FORK IT OVER CULT MEMBERS, FAITHFUL AND OG MEMBERS!!! JUST ANOTHER $25 out of your pockets!
What did you get from Frizzy? No more than you should have received from Stoecklein without paying any initial $25. You got a hell of a lot more information from Webb!

Exactly how many of you were contacted about the additional $25? Zen, Green Baraon, Dr.Dementia a couple over on the CT faithful forum, and that's it? And you let those people say, "Yeah, pump us for more of our hard earned dollars!"?

Was anyone ever told the $25 they paid was just for "Phase 1"? That there was or might be a "Phase 2"? That is very typical of lawyers. Get you hooked and keep getting you to dig into your pockets with very few results, if any. When do you start paying for Phases 3, 4, 5, etc.?

This bunch is a damn joke and using those few avid cult members to drag others into kicking up more money.

I would give you all a LMAO, but that request for more money is not funny. It is outrageous and very, very sad. Haven't many of you lost enough money already?

If you pay another $25, you most certainly deserve everything you have had up to now and everything you will get in the future. GOOD LUCK!!!

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Man... this is all so surreal. If it wasn't for the sec.gov website with cmkx/cmkm listed there, I would of thought this was a movie in the making.
Although, I haven't found the running briefs under the litigation menu. It's hard to imagine that 4330 people would send off ANY money to an unknown lawyer. But then again, I send off money to my broker gambling on a micro-penny bottom feeder. But not CMKX. If people want to check on a sub-center.. look at the sec.gov site under litigation. People are still trading all those that are under investigation. wooo
GLTA S5

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Just like a lawyer. Take all you can get and ask for more. Damn ambulance chasers.

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One other thing.

That request by Stoecklein also stated that selected OG members said "no class action suit". What that means, is that if it is determined that whatever is decided is due to the fault of CMKX, UC et al, you get nothing out of it. It also means that if your losses are due to a NSS condition, you still get nothing out of it.

Either way, for a class action suit to be carried out, more money will have to be paid out to lawyers, etc. End result - the lawyers get the money and shareholders get almost zilch!

The obvious question then is, "What the hell are you paying Frizzy for?"

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LOL !!!

The guy has done nothing. Whoever wrote the petition for another $25 sure did glorify the attorney's efforts. He has kept CMKX from already being revoked. What a claim !

Told ya, there was more coming, and after they take this bait, there will be more. Simply amazing.

...and you guys don't think what noah and his ilk are doing is wrong. The upper echelon of the pumpers you accept as wrong and bad people, but the duped soldiers you befriend. Well, imo, they are just as bad, if not not worse then the Dr. D's, and Willy Wanker's of this pigslop. Akin to the Nazi officers saying, "I was just following orders".

Ring all the money you can from the foolish unsuspecting slobs you initially suckered into this.

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It's time to belly up to the bar, take a harsh shot of "CMKX SCAM JUICE" and realize that your investment is gone and move on. Some lost big and some will loose less like me only $500.00 but in any case we have "lost" and that's for sure.

"CMKX SCAM JUICE" first round on me [Big Grin] should only be 0.0001 per shot, I am sure that I can afford that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
FORK IT OVER CULT MEMBERS, FAITHFUL AND OG MEMBERS!!! JUST ANOTHER $25 out of your pockets!
What did you get from Frizzy? No more than you should have received from Stoecklein without paying any initial $25. You got a hell of a lot more information from Webb!

Exactly how many of you were contacted about the additional $25? Zen, Green Baraon, Dr.Dementia a couple over on the CT faithful forum, and that's it? And you let those people say, "Yeah, pump us for more of our hard earned dollars!"?

Was anyone ever told the $25 they paid was just for "Phase 1"? That there was or might be a "Phase 2"? That is very typical of lawyers. Get you hooked and keep getting you to dig into your pockets with very few results, if any. When do you start paying for Phases 3, 4, 5, etc.?

This bunch is a damn joke and using those few avid cult members to drag others into kicking up more money.

I would give you all a LMAO, but that request for more money is not funny. It is outrageous and very, very sad. Haven't many of you lost enough money already?

If you pay another $25, you most certainly deserve everything you have had up to now and everything you will get in the future. GOOD LUCK!!!

What did we get from Frizzell? Onlt the proof of the Naked Shorting, (and growing everyday), a dedicated jurist, a court demeanor and style and that was more probing and effective than Stoecklein's, an attorney who spent Father's Day in his office finishing the response instead of what he would have rather been doing...spending time with his family.

Were we told that our $25 was for Phase 1? Absolutely. The terms of the employment contract were spelled out to be limited to representation at the hearing, only.

The first $25 was the best money I have spent for legal representation, ever. And his plans for the future are worth even more.

I understand your hatred for everything CMKX, ignorance causes things like that, but this post of yours, attacks the shareholders and the only person who has done anything official to get to the truth.

Your intentions become clear then, that you do not want the truth to surface, and you will go to any length to attack anything that might reveal it.

Bill has proven the naked short to 134 billion and there is a stack of shareholder statements on their desk that is over two feet high, still being recorded, and more coming in constantly.

I realize that anyone who seeks the truth is a threat to your rantings here, Wallace, but to the "reasonable", they realize that Bill Frizzell is the best thing that has happened to this stock and it's shareholders. And we will go on in support of his efforts.

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quote:
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LOL !!!

The guy has done nothing. Whoever wrote the petition for another $25 sure did glorify the attorney's efforts. He has kept CMKX from already being revoked. What a claim !

Told ya, there was more coming, and after they take this bait, there will be more. Simply amazing.

...and you guys don't think what noah and his ilk are doing is wrong. The upper echelon of the pumpers you accept as wrong and bad people, but the duped soldiers you befriend. Well, imo, they are just as bad, if not not worse then the Dr. D's, and Willy Wanker's of this pigslop. Akin to the Nazi officers saying, "I was just following orders".

Ring all the money you can from the foolish unsuspecting slobs you initially suckered into this.

And will comes out of hiding with another intelligent and well presented post.
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« Thread Started on Today at 10:05am »

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NOTE THE FIRST SENTENCE: "PRIOR TO MID JULY"!


Hi xxxxxxx

During the Hearing and also via our recent brief, CMKX indicated considerable time, money and effort is being spent currently to get as far along in the reporting and compliance as possible prior to mid July. This is the KEY issue and everything else, including the question of excess shares in the market place is secondary. Additionally, the operational side of the company continues to be very active. Mr. Jarvis and Mr. MacLean were two very significant additions to the FALC project team and the Yellow River grand opening was a very important achievement for CMKX and the JV's.

CMKX is the company embroiled in the SEC dispute, therefore considerable prudence is required in anything the company may say publicly. This is precisely, as I have indicated before, why Stoecklein is ensuring Management does not issue any promotional PR's at the present time. This is the time to keep one's head and not make any knee jerk reactions. Contingencies are being thought through and if required I am confident the CMKX Team will decide the most prudent course of action. Any decisions made will and should remain confidential and internal to the company until the TEAM decides to say anything in a public manner via official PR's and Filings to shareholders.

As for the concern that CMKX is not taking an active enough role in the NSS issue, I would ask if shareholders have been privy to internal and confidential meetings and discussion by CMKX management and the advisory team? The answer is no. Just because activity is not visible does not mean it is not taking place. Mr. Stoecklein has done an excellent job as the point man, however I currently see Mr. Frizzell getting all the accolades from shareholders. There is no disputing the excellent work Frizzell has done on behalf of the shareholders group, however, Mr. Stoecklein, Mr. Maheu and Mr. Casavant must look at the bigger picture of protecting CMKX and ALL SHAREHOLDERS. Far be it from me to try and out think Stoecklein and TEAM. Shareholders quick to say this or that should be done, need to keep this in mind as they offer their own opinions on how the CMKX TEAM should be proceeding and acting. It is so easy to be critical when we are not the ones with the responsibility to act.

I have never seen anything to indicate Judge Murray has demanded 100% reporting and compliance by the time she renders her decision. All we can expect is that everyone on the CMKX team, work as hard as they can every day in the hours available to be as far along in the process as possible. CMKX via Stoecklein may submit information to both the SEC and Judge which may not be made immediately public. Again, it is important for shareholders to not assume things simply because it is not yet visible.

As for the rumors, you know my IR stance on that.

Have an awesome day, and as it is the first day of summer I offer this:

"KEEP THE FAITH AND ENJOY YOUR SUMMER"

Andy

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the best part of the whole situation is they can't scare us into selling, no one would sell at this price. The SEC has stopped us from promoting and releasing information, drafts of the books are done, the Jarvis report (nice name I would trust him) says we have great land up north, we have a shareholder lawyer and crazy azz shareholders that have made if very clear that this isn't going away, we have an SEC that is clearly not showing they are following their own mandate, we have a proven naked short now lets see what trouble that causes.

It is getting rediculous to say the least, we will get the financials done. And despite what the SEC says, and I would say they have buried themselves, they do not want us to complete our financials, that is what is totally ironic about this whole situation. They are trying to revoke us for not producing the financials that if produced will kill them. In my opinion we are working together and have been for awhile. The posturing by bothsides is laughable and entertaining, but the real work is done behind the scenes.

Frizzell has proved we are hugely short and this judge is in a tight spot. She is smart and it is very very clear the SEC's motives in this case and she has to take that into consideration. The naked short is not going away and will be dealt with, and we are on our way to getting our financials done already and will get a time frame to finish them by the judge in my opinion. Don't let all the craziness cloud you because it is actually really simple, we have a huge proven short and amazing land and no judge or SEC is going to screw us over period, and if they try we can let the damage the dividends can cause loose.


This whole fiasco has clearly shown that shareholders mean nothing in a system where they are suppose to mean everything.

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This whole fiasco has clearly shown that shareholders mean nothing in a system where they are suppose to mean everything.
This is about the only line in that ramble that I agree with.
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legal the 2 above re-posts prove 1 thing...there were paid pumpers used to first sell stock & second to keep ppl from going after UC.


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The SEC has stopped us from promoting and releasing information, drafts of the books are done, the Jarvis report (nice name I would trust him) says we have great land up north


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bullchit not even good bullchit. unless a draft was finished since court there is zero drafts done & there is no way for this clown to know. the testimony said they had 1 template used in every 10K & they were trying to plug cmkx into it. when asked if any was finished the answer was NO. the jarvis report said nothing good only that 16 points needed further looks & he stated some may not be kimberlite. there is no published order from the SEC telling cmkx to shut up....none. in fact there is 1 from a few months ago stating the SEC never said anything like that.


the IT guy had the volume charts, didn't the time line wake you up? volume started 3 weeks after the form 15 thus UC didn't have to, in his PLAN, say anything. the main pumpers also started shortly after the form 15. its called pump & dump. look it up on the SEC web site. you can plug cmkx into every example & it fits perfectly, history wize. they didn't even have the sense to get cmkx insiders out of it. they had desomeua do the paying for pumpers thru his company.

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Plus the Judge made it clear that there would be no new evidence entered after the hearing. So it wouldn't hurt now to issue a PR. It couldn't be used against CMKX even if it was a complete BS. Unless UC is worried about being prosecuted soon for stealing all the money from CMKX to go racing and playing the slots were he seems to meet his new business partners. I guess thats a tax write.

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the next post said he was glad not to be the only 1 still buying. he bought 30 million yesterday. is there even a word that can come close to describing how down right stupid that is?

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the next post said he was glad not to be the only 1 still buying. he bought 30 million yesterday. is there even a word that can come close to describing how down right stupid that is?

Yes bill, seems like the whole world has become stupid as a billion shares a day are still trading on this poor stock. Perhaps if you keep plugging along the rest of the world will adopt your wisdom.
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Perhaps if you keep plugging along the rest of the world will adopt your wisdom.
Doubtful, but maybe. One can only hope.
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did you read the transcript legal? this was posted by your lawyer. solid proof UC should have known there were over 300 shareholders. 697 ppl were named, not in cede. solid proof nobody could get any of the needed financials not even stocklein. proof the UC knew about the SEC questions around that form 15, h**l even roger glenn knew but nobody told stocklein. they just bought more jade in december for gods sakes but nobody knows anything other then $60 million worth of a precsious metal was bought. right after the SEC started asking questions i might add. mahoo didn't know the accountants were not getting needed materials to file, he thought they had everything. heck the SEC said they didn't even bring the stuff to prove huge numbers of shares were sold & the cash pulled out. cmkx is 22 days away from being revoked & you think its ok to still be buying stock??? a smart move??? not so d**m stupid words fail to describe it????

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There is no disease that spreads faster then stupidity.

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IMO, they knew. Just weren't sharing with the SEC and other "enemies".
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ok legal, i guess it might be true...a lawyer will say anything they can get away with to win. since those letters didn't go to them its possible. but does that change any of the rest of the outcome from the trial??? does it change the filing of that form 15??? why buy $60 million of precsious gems right after you hear the SEC is questioning you about a form that was wrong? & thats was december yet the only paper work is that the money went out or shares equaling that money. so even as late as december when filing was what UC was supposed to be working on the needed financial could not be found, 4 months later. not even the first buy has any proof it was canceled just a pr from UC. gems are a great way to hide money, a safety deposit box somewhere under any name. i'd say the 1 not wanting to give away their whole hand is the SEC. they gave the judge just enough questionable deals, the 2 prescious gem deals, that had no back-up paperwork or any idea where they went or what happened. they hinted at evidence about questionable trades, they showed what happened to volume right after the form 15 went out. this thing reads like 1 of those Fox Network shows about finding bad guys. when they describe the crime & how it was commited.

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The SEC's primary mission is to protect the investor. CMKX is still trading around a billion a day. I'd say that right there is reason for revocation. You know, the other day I saw my first person that was actually wearing a "Got CMKX?" shirt in public. I don't mean to judge a book by its cover here but this guy could have been a poster child for revocation. Obviously down on his luck at minimum, walking into a dilapidated old apartment building, carrying a case of beer and proudly wearing his CMKX tee.
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NEVADA SOS SAYS MAHEU NOW DIRECTOR OF CMKX

http://tinyurl.com/4dpja

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Up, what do you expect. Where did they promote there sale of shares at? Being a hotel GM in a town that has a Nascar and a Drag Race track, I can tell you. There is a big difference in who goes to what race. I guess there would have to be it cost $675.00 plus tax to stay at a hotel for 3 nights at a Nascar race. It cost $75 a night for the NHRA and we alowed them to setup there portable barbeque grill in the parking lots. The Drag group would pull there chairs out of the room and set out side drinking there beers and whooping it up till early morning. The Nascar people drove up in BMW's and Audi's. The Drag race people drove up in pick up trucks with gun racks in the back.

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All of the above notwithstanding, what part of "NSS evidence will not be allowed as part of my findings" from the judge, does the cult not understand?
Proving NSS has accomplished absolutely nothing in reference to CMKX guilty or not guilty of not filing.
The cult has once again focused on the forest and cant see the trees.

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