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Originally posted by blizzard:
When does a captain abandon ship? Captain Mach sold position in Pghi and abandoned ship. Pghi is .052...In my opinion, never a rally...and Mach moved on , probably sold positiion in Pghi and getting suckers to join in BTLY.. When is the rally going to happen in Pghi? Captain Mach.....no interest in Pghi anymore where you do not even post...he hypes where he goes...

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THE COMMERCIAL BARTER INDUSTRY.

Over 7.5 billion dollars in sales is transacted each year by the commercial barter industry. This figure is growing at an estimated rate of 8 percent a year, significantly faster than the growth of GNP. It is estimated that over 300,000 business firms -- most of them small businesses, but including a large and growing number of well-known larger firms -- will use the services of commercial barter companies this year.

What explains the explosive growth of commercial barter? First, the modern computer makes possible the tracking of barter transactions, which used to be done by hand in colonial times. John Hancock's uncle, a minister by profession, is one of those early bookkeepers who recorded commercial trades of rum and whale oil in exchange for the wheat and furs of the early frontier. If the computer had been available then, our monetary history would certainly have been different.

The barter industry's growing appeal among business owners and professional firms is attributable to several factors, which include generation of new sales and higher volumes of business, conserving cash for essential expenditures, exchange of unproductive assets for valuable products or services, reduction of unit costs, and opening new outlets for excess inventory and unused capacity. Barter finance enables a firm to buy using its incremental cost of production. This applies to international trade as well. So long as incremental revenue exceeds incremental cost, it will pay a firm to barter. Barter's main drawback is limitation on the range of products or services offered in trade.

The existence of surplus inventory, unproductive assets, and excess capacity throughout the world, and the ability to reach new customers both at home and abroad through barter sales, makes barter an attractive marketing tool that yields a competitive edge over firms that only use cash. Incremental sales from barter add to employment, production and purchasing power. Asset exchange enables a firm to capitalize its excess capacity by using it to finance its purchases. By exchanging surplus assets for needed products or services obtainable from a barter company, business firms are able to obtain a higher value for such assets than if they sold them for cash at a few cents on the dollar.

There are approximately 600 barter companies serving all parts of the nation and overseas markets. As they are linked electronically in a national and international barter marketplace, their economic significance is growing. Some 500 barter exchanges act as clearinghouses for the exchange of products and services among their clients. About 100 corporate trade companies and brokers are engaged in exchanging trade credits for assets and selling goods and services to their clients for part trade and part cash. Barter exchanges make money by charging a commission on each barter transaction. Corporate trade companies make money by negotiating favorable prices for media and other products and services, and exchanging these for the excess assets of their clients plus cash.

Barter exchange helps check inflation by spreading overhead, lowering costs, and reduced borrowing. It makes good economic sense for businesses to purchase media, printing, and other needed items through barter, because financing such purchases through incremental sales of their own inventory or exchanging unwanted assets is cheaper than borrowing. Barter helps conserve cash, and lowers interest rates by taking the pressure off money markets. The barter industry helps firms stay competitive by turning surplus inventory, unproductive assets, and excess capacity into extra sales, income, and value.

Barter enables international trade to flow among established barter exchanges in North America, Australasia, and Western Europe. Barter finance permits importing when conventional finance will not work, while providing overseas marketing and distribution channels that exporters need for their surplus inventories Corporate trade companies are increasingly obtaining media for multinational firms to implement global advertising plans. Barter companies execute international barter transactions to enable exporters to be paid in hard currency through the liquidation of goods received in trade from soft currency countries. The dance of currencies in international finance, plus national needs that exceed the availability of hard currency through conventional trade and aid, makes this a growing field today.

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Originally posted by cappy:
everyone just go to the bottom of this page and click on contact us and let them know about blizzard.

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Over 7.5 billion dollars in sales is transacted each year by the commercial barter industry. This figure is growing at an estimated rate of 8 percent a year, significantly faster than the growth of GNP. It is estimated that over 300,000 business firms -- most of them small businesses, but including a large and growing number of well-known larger firms -- will use the services of commercial barter companies this year.

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Originally posted by Mav:
*** GOOD INFORMATION, PLEASE READ. ***

THE COMMERCIAL BARTER INDUSTRY.

Over 7.5 billion dollars in sales is transacted each year by the commercial barter industry. This figure is growing at an estimated rate of 8 percent a year, significantly faster than the growth of GNP. It is estimated that over 300,000 business firms -- most of them small businesses, but including a large and growing number of well-known larger firms -- will use the services of commercial barter companies this year.

What explains the explosive growth of commercial barter? First, the modern computer makes possible the tracking of barter transactions, which used to be done by hand in colonial times. John Hancock's uncle, a minister by profession, is one of those early bookkeepers who recorded commercial trades of rum and whale oil in exchange for the wheat and furs of the early frontier. If the computer had been available then, our monetary history would certainly have been different.

The barter industry's growing appeal among business owners and professional firms is attributable to several factors, which include generation of new sales and higher volumes of business, conserving cash for essential expenditures, exchange of unproductive assets for valuable products or services, reduction of unit costs, and opening new outlets for excess inventory and unused capacity. Barter finance enables a firm to buy using its incremental cost of production. This applies to international trade as well. So long as incremental revenue exceeds incremental cost, it will pay a firm to barter. Barter's main drawback is limitation on the range of products or services offered in trade.

The existence of surplus inventory, unproductive assets, and excess capacity throughout the world, and the ability to reach new customers both at home and abroad through barter sales, makes barter an attractive marketing tool that yields a competitive edge over firms that only use cash. Incremental sales from barter add to employment, production and purchasing power. Asset exchange enables a firm to capitalize its excess capacity by using it to finance its purchases. By exchanging surplus assets for needed products or services obtainable from a barter company, business firms are able to obtain a higher value for such assets than if they sold them for cash at a few cents on the dollar.

There are approximately 600 barter companies serving all parts of the nation and overseas markets. As they are linked electronically in a national and international barter marketplace, their economic significance is growing. Some 500 barter exchanges act as clearinghouses for the exchange of products and services among their clients. About 100 corporate trade companies and brokers are engaged in exchanging trade credits for assets and selling goods and services to their clients for part trade and part cash. Barter exchanges make money by charging a commission on each barter transaction. Corporate trade companies make money by negotiating favorable prices for media and other products and services, and exchanging these for the excess assets of their clients plus cash.

Barter exchange helps check inflation by spreading overhead, lowering costs, and reduced borrowing. It makes good economic sense for businesses to purchase media, printing, and other needed items through barter, because financing such purchases through incremental sales of their own inventory or exchanging unwanted assets is cheaper than borrowing. Barter helps conserve cash, and lowers interest rates by taking the pressure off money markets. The barter industry helps firms stay competitive by turning surplus inventory, unproductive assets, and excess capacity into extra sales, income, and value.

Barter enables international trade to flow among established barter exchanges in North America, Australasia, and Western Europe. Barter finance permits importing when conventional finance will not work, while providing overseas marketing and distribution channels that exporters need for their surplus inventories Corporate trade companies are increasingly obtaining media for multinational firms to implement global advertising plans. Barter companies execute international barter transactions to enable exporters to be paid in hard currency through the liquidation of goods received in trade from soft currency countries. The dance of currencies in international finance, plus national needs that exceed the availability of hard currency through conventional trade and aid, makes this a growing field today.

Commercial barter is a young industry, roughly 20 years old, run by a strong group of entrepreneurs. The leading members of the industry are joined together in the International Reciprocal Trade Association which has branches in Europe and Australasia. It was this roup that worked with the U.S. Congress to pass the barter tax compliance provisions of the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. The same law recognized barter exchanges on a par with banks and credit card companies as "third party recordkeepers" of the financial records of other taxpayers. All U.S. barter exchanges now submit to the tax authorities yearly total of the barter sales of their clients.

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Originally posted by Mav:
Mach, I have been looking at the BTLY chart and I think i found a triple bottom area around 0.023 forming a floor there. Could you please help me here or Cabbage to check if this is right ?. Bellow you have a chart. Thank you.

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Originally posted by machtabow:
Thanks Mav. Boy you sure do good DD. This is indeed big business. Do you need another job? I'm hiring every day mach

Over 7.5 billion dollars in sales is transacted each year by the commercial barter industry. This figure is growing at an estimated rate of 8 percent a year, significantly faster than the growth of GNP. It is estimated that over 300,000 business firms -- most of them small businesses, but including a large and growing number of well-known larger firms -- will use the services of commercial barter companies this year.

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A means of buying or selling a product or service with no cash or limited cash. Most of the organized barter that occurs in the world today is done with each barter or trade organizations own currency. There are over 1,500 barter and trade groups in North America alone.

Can you explain how a transaction would take place?

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Originally posted by cappy:
I have read every post from all 3 threads and many others from all of you. I am on the edge of being able to contribute and will soon. But my main reason for doing my own DD and getting a feel for who I am dealing with was to earn trust and I have. I have visited other boards and guys like blizzard and the mach3 that came on trying to rip mach2 turned me away from those other boards. The single most reason I like this board is that they deal with the idiots right away and not 2 or 3 days after they are hear. Thanks for all the info guys and gals, I will help in the near future when I build more confidence with the DD, I am close. Take care and Happy New Year.

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PS. I place a call into him tonight! Hoping to hear back from him soon! mach

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Originally posted by Mav:
What is Barter?

A means of buying or selling a product or service with no cash or limited cash. Most of the organized barter that occurs in the world today is done with each barter or trade organizations own currency. There are over 1,500 barter and trade groups in North America alone.

Can you explain how a transaction would take place?

Sure. Here is a real world example: Sam owns a pub. He serves food and beer that he brews on the premises. Sam has monthly fixed (cash) costs: Janitorial Services, Dry Cleaning, Carpet Cleaning, Landscaper... The list goes on and on.
Sam’s monthly fixed costs (cash) are $3,000 to $4,000. Sam joins a Trade Organization. He sells food and beer on trade. He takes in approximately $5,000 per month in trade which is NEW BUSINESS that wasn’t there previously.
Sam uses his Trade Dollars on his monthly fixed costs: Janitorial Services, Dry Cleaning, Carpet Cleaning, Landscaper, etc.... Sam now purchases his beer supplies and some food items with Trade Dollars which is converted to cash when he sells food and beer.
Sam uses his Trade Dollars to hire a contractor to expand his business.
Sam uses his Trade Dollars to buy clothing and has his pub’s logo screenprinted on T-Shirts and Beer Mugs because his business is growing rapidly.
Sam uses his Trade Dollars to buy a truck and get’s all of his auto repair work done on trade. Sam uses his Trade to offset cash expenditures.
Every business has fixed, monthly cash expenditures from A - Z: Advertising (Radio, TV, Magazine, Newspaper, Billboard, Mailers, Local, National, International) Bookkeeping, Carpet Cleaning, Dry Cleaning, Furniture, Gardeners, Housekeepers, Insurance, Janitorial, and on, and on, and.... There are distinct advantages to joining an organized Barter & Trade Group.

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Can you please mail me the info you got from the CEO, at joshuaspark@msn.com

I've sent you and email but not sure you got it.

Congratulations for this pick. In my country Bartering is Tax free. It's a very common practice in the Agricultural business.

I believe Online Bartering is the Next ebay.

During the Internet Bubble I was involved in the analysis of the BP for a Bartering Company, that finally did great in South America. I'll try to recover some numbers to add to the Incredible DD THE TEAM is came out with in 2 days.

Best regards to all,

BTLY TECH ANALYSIS 101

HOPE THIS HELPS U SEE WHAT THE TECHIES SEE HAPPENING SOON

KEEP IN MIND TECH ANALYSIS HELPS ELIMINATE ALL THE “NOISE” IN THE MARKET. IT HELPS YOU “SEE” EXACTLY WHAT IS OCCURING. PRICE MOVEMENT IS A REAL TIME COMBINATION OF ALL THE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES OF A COMPANY. TECH ANALYSIS HELPS YOU INTERPRET AND FORECAST MOVEMENT. THIS IS WHAT I SEE HAPPENING. AND HERES AN EXPLANATION TO HELP.

POSITIVE DIVERGENCE
For the past month BTLY has been consolidating after a runup to .047 from .01. There was “profit taking” until .023… where it bounced… it bouced up and then retested .023 a second time and then a third for just a brief period. This is often described as a double or triple bottom. The bears “sellers” were unable to bring it past .023 and thus it became the new floor after three attempts! Does that make sense… When a stock runs out of sellers… then the bulls “gradually” seize control again. Get it… less sellers… more buyers… prices rises. Aha!

Positive Divergence is when you see the price consolidating down… and a technical indicator such as MACD(Moving Average Convergence Divergence) moving up! Notice on Mavs chart that MACD has been moving up for the past 4 weeks even when consolidation was occurring. This is accumulation and is bullish… even though… Here’s more detail on positive divergence… Hope it helps… but read on… this will help you out big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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A divergence occurs when two lines on a chart move in opposite directions vertically. For instance, if a stock's price has been moving lower for several days but, at the same time, its 50-day moving average has been rising, the stock is said to be diverging from its moving average.

Divergences between a stock and one of its indicators are common and often occur before a stock changes direction. People often look for divergences by comparing a stock's direction to the direction of its RSI, its MACD or its Stochastic Oscillator. Other indicators and oscillators can also be used.

There are two kinds of divergences: positive and negative. A positive divergence occurs when the indicator moves higher at the same time the stock is declining. A negative divergence occurs when the indicator moves lower as the stock continues to rise.

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So we have POSITIVE DIVERGENCE OCCURING… but is tech analysis always right. Often but not always. What you do is use other tech analysis technique to confirm the positive divergence. One that people use often is VOLUME. You can see by the on-balance volume of BTLY that it has been gradually increasing… confirming a reversal in the consolidation.

Another BIG CONFIRMATION…….. COMING SOON!!!!!!! MACD CROSSOVER CENTERLINE! LOOK AT THE CHART! CAN YOU SEE IT! MAV MAPPED IT OUT! We have Positive Divergence upon the 0.00 centerline. When the crossover occurs… the BULLS WILL BE IN FULL CONTROL and this baby will move! Here’s a little more detail! Read on! Hope this helps you… Remember you can read all the news… listen to all the opinions of everyone in the world… but what the techs do is help look at all that information… at one time… within minutes and make a buy/sell decision! If you have any questions… off the board: email: machtabow@yahoo.com mach

Confirmation
Confirmation is a subsequent signal that validates a position stance. Traders and investors sometimes look for more than one signal or require validation before acting. For example: confirmation of a trend change may entail an advance past the previous reaction high. For an indicator such as MACD, confirmation of a divergence may be a subsequent moving average crossover.

A centerline crossover is sometimes interpreted as a buy or sell signal. A buy signal would be generated with a cross above the centerline and a sell signal with a cross below the centerline. For MACD or ROC, a cross above or below zero would act as a signal.

Movements above or below the centerline indicate that momentum has changed from either positive to negative or negative to positive. When a centered momentum oscillator advances above its centerline, momentum turns positive and could be considered bullish. When a centered momentum oscillator declines below its centerline, momentum turns negative and could be considered bearish.

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Originally posted by Mav:
Mach, I have been looking at the BTLY chart and I think i found a triple bottom area around 0.023 forming a floor there. Could you please help me here or Cabbage to check if this is right ?. Bellow you have a chart. Thank you.

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These seem to me great numbers.

"....Online bartering companies—for the occasional registration fee and always a transaction fee—provide a safe trading environment for businesses and individuals. You can trade services for products, or visa versa, or services for services, and so on. Nearly half a million businesses engage in online bartering today, but the National Association of Trade Exchanges predicts 1.2 million companies will join in the fun within the next 10 years. With all those processing fees, you could buy a lot of deerskin...J

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Originally posted by Joshua:
Hi Mach,

Can you please mail me the info you got from the CEO, at joshuaspark@msn.com

I've sent you and email but not sure you got it.

Congratulations for this pick. In my country Bartering is Tax free. It's a very common practice in the Agricultural business.

I believe Online Bartering is the Next ebay.

During the Internet Bubble I was involved in the analysis of the BP for a Bartering Company, that finally did great in South America. I'll try to recover some numbers to add to the Incredible DD THE TEAM is came out with in 2 days.

Best regards to all,

J

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If you don't get my mail, check this article. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1013/066.html

on naked shorting. I think it worth reading it.

We have at least 100 more Naked shorted opportunities to find.

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Originally posted by Joshua:
Found this on the net.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/0,4621,284666-14,00.html

These seem to me great numbers.

"....Online bartering companies—for the occasional registration fee and always a transaction fee—provide a safe trading environment for businesses and individuals. You can trade services for products, or visa versa, or services for services, and so on. Nearly half a million businesses engage in online bartering today, but the National Association of Trade Exchanges predicts 1.2 million companies will join in the fun within the next 10 years. With all those processing fees, you could buy a lot of deerskin...J

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Originally posted by Joshua:
Found this on the net.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/0,4621,284666-14,00.html

These seem to me great numbers.

"....Online bartering companies—for the occasional registration fee and always a transaction fee—provide a safe trading environment for businesses and individuals. You can trade services for products, or visa versa, or services for services, and so on. Nearly half a million businesses engage in online bartering today, but the National Association of Trade Exchanges predicts 1.2 million companies will join in the fun within the next 10 years. With all those processing fees, you could buy a lot of deerskin...J

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Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
MACH/MAV
General question BTLY. I tend to work formulas and refine them into a successful line of thinking.
Assuming $ are not a factor.
Asuuming the greater $ the higher risk
What relationship in volume/price & # shares does it take to make a reasonable deal in pennys. Use BTLY for example. ( probably forget some other factors)

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Originally posted by Joshua:
Mach, received your e-mail.
Thanks very much.

If you don't get my mail, check this article. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1013/066.html

on naked shorting. I think it worth reading it.

We have at least 100 more Naked shorted opportunities to find.

J

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Originally posted by Joshua:
Mach, received your e-mail.
Thanks very much.

If you don't get my mail, check this article. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1013/066.html

on naked shorting. I think it worth reading it.

We have at least 100 more Naked shorted opportunities to find.

J

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"...Iraq and Kuwait last month agreed that the Gulf Arab state would supply Baghdad with refined oil products to help alleviate severe winter shortages.

Aon said that Kuwait was ready to supply Iraq with the additional one million litres of kerosene a day it had asked for during the committee meeting.

He said barter could be the basis for paying for the natural gas from Iraq, but added that this issue will be discussed later.
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Can you imagine if BTLY gets involve in this type of operations.

Just dreaming.

Good night to all.

Barter is a great way for companies to use their spare resources to generate a mutual gain with another company. That's the trick to the barter system, if I have extra bandwidth to the Internet and extra space on my webserver that are not being used but I'm having to pay for anyway, why not then get the full use of a copy machine with free toner refills and free service technician time? I know that the copier I got, while nearly in new condition, was from a brand line that the copy machine company no longer carried and thus they could not rent or perform manufacturer's service on the unit for a paying client anymore. I got to get some value for the bandwidth that I would pay for anyway, and they got to use that bandwidth while getting to get rid of a supply of toner that was costing them warehouse space and inventory taxes that they could no longer sell. Win-win all the way around. Thus the powerful potential for this company, think of this type of resource utilization spread nationally/worldwide.

From a different angle, I'm a SCUBA diver and love to travel internationally. If I were to find a resort that needed a network consultant to help with their systems and a dive operation in the same need in the same location, I could barter out my expertise for free lodging and free boat rides to dive sites and spend a little bit of my vacation doing something that would be of equal value to them. If the room was going to be empty anyway, and an extra person can be put on a boat without hassle, why not? They don't lose money because there was no profit potential in empty spaces and I lose nothing other than a few hours of my vacation which I'd probably snooze away anyway - everyone gets something of value, and none of us are out any cash. Again a win-win.

That's what this company is doing, with an ease of resource access similar to Ebay, only without having to expend actual cash for the resources.

Bentley Communications Corporation to Target Iraqi Reconstruction with Barter and Trade Alliances
Monday December 15, 6:03 am ET

LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 15, 2003--Bentley Communications Corporation (OTCBB:BTLY - News), the emerging leader in the online barter industry, today announced that it is in discussions with several entities in the Middle East, including Iraq, that are interested in establishing a network of barter exchanges that plan to focus on providing alternative capital initiatives to companies that can provide goods and services targeting the reconstruction of Iraq.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031215/155357_1.html

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Originally posted by Joshua:
Guys check this.
http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2003/12/12/rtr1179022.html

"...Iraq and Kuwait last month agreed that the Gulf Arab state would supply Baghdad with refined oil products to help alleviate severe winter shortages.

Aon said that Kuwait was ready to supply Iraq with the additional one million litres of kerosene a day it had asked for during the committee meeting.

He said barter could be the basis for paying for the natural gas from Iraq, but added that this issue will be discussed later.
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Can you imagine if BTLY gets involve in this type of operations.

Just dreaming.

Good night to all.

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Originally posted by chrispete:
I registered with and logged into BTLY's system earlier tonight and it is really well set up, I can see great potential for
their barter system. Being a businessman in a small town environment, I can tell you that barter can sometimes make or break a company - many times when I had my Internet
service provider, I bartered for things that I wasn't willing to pay for such as a a snazzy copy machine, coffee service, sometimes rent on our facilities, software and even mission critical things such as server parts, and more.

Barter is a great way for companies to use their spare resources to generate a mutual gain with another company. That's the trick to the barter system, if I have extra bandwidth to the Internet and extra space on my webserver that are not being used but I'm having to pay for anyway, why not then get the full use of a copy machine with free toner refills and free service technician time? I know that the copier I got, while nearly in new condition, was from a brand line that the copy machine company no longer carried and thus they could not rent or perform manufacturer's service on the unit for a paying client anymore. I got to get some value for the bandwidth that I would pay for anyway, and they got to use that bandwidth while getting to get rid of a supply of toner that was costing them warehouse space and inventory taxes that they could no longer sell. Win-win all the way around. Thus the powerful potential for this company, think of this type of resource utilization spread nationally/worldwide.

From a different angle, I'm a SCUBA diver and love to travel internationally. If I were to find a resort that needed a network consultant to help with their systems and a dive operation in the same need in the same location, I could barter out my expertise for free lodging and free boat rides to dive sites and spend a little bit of my vacation doing something that would be of equal value to them. If the room was going to be empty anyway, and an extra person can be put on a boat without hassle, why not? They don't lose money because there was no profit potential in empty spaces and I lose nothing other than a few hours of my vacation which I'd probably snooze away anyway - everyone gets something of value, and none of us are out any cash. Again a win-win.

That's what this company is doing, with an ease of resource access similar to Ebay, only without having to expend actual cash for the resources.

One happy fundamentals guy here.

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I'd jump in for a quick fix... but still hanging long with PGHI. Don't want to get so greedy I lose my ride on VeeGeez

I wonder how you can find out who is going to be changing their symbol in the near future? That would be a good trading strategy.

They have a fairly decent supply of examples and detail. I especially liked the Real Estate example... this allows for some very creative financing opportunities.

GLTA!

1.) DI+ is trending up (buyers)
2.) DI- (sellers) is trending down as is ADX for DI-
3.) PPS/trading is trending up and touching the upper Bollinger Band
4.) Volume of buyers has picked up significantly
5.) Slow STO is at 50 and trending up. At 65 is a huge point for breakouts.

This is my first official post of a TA. So take it for what its worth. But with a name change and a huge potential... this looks just about as good as PGHI.

dz

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Originally posted by cabbage22:
This is one of the best Naked Shorting articles I've read, great find. I wonder if the shares I hold are REAL, or just created, makes you think.

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