quote:Originally posted by humble: I see the major players like this:
Mike Alexander: Poor guy who got in deep with some toxic financiers and then even deeper by allowing himself to play a useful pawn. Neither a threat to the company nor a savior.
John Arlitt: We know very little about his past, credentials, capabilities, motives or why he is even involved. We do know he pumped when necessary, mysteriously surfacing as the leading candidate in a shady shareholder move to take over a company just in time to oust the CEO and go silent to the general public except for the hearsay of HSM members.
Rufus Paul Harris: Loose cannon as a personality. Appears to have the connections to and knowledge of the only verifiable thing about this company - some kind of link to Euroclear. Interviews poorly but at least comes out in public to work his position. Has been true to the "Kill Shorty" theme from day 1.
I hear things like those mentioned by TonySoprano over on HSM and it makes me really start wondering where people's motives are right now. The idea of having a MM that was willing to support $2 for 30 days is absurd - that is a fool of a MM or one openly admitting the desire to illegally collude with other MMs to manupulate the PPS. I do not believe there was any such MM waiting in the wings.
Additionally, if there were SHC members allowed on a call of that nature you should be getting a big red flag in your head. Why on earth would a CEO contacting another insider about sensitive legal information allow shareholders to listen in? Or maybe they were told what happened by Arlitt? Either way stinks to me.
I have NEVER been convinced that anyone other than RPH is the legal CEO of CSHD or that anyone else can get things done without him. The way in which everything was pulled in by Arlitt and the mysterious majority looked fishy even as it was happening... and is more so now. Why can't the company move forward? Arlitt is powerless - RPH has the signature/codes to access anything of value to this company and he sure isn't going to turn anything over to the guy he feels defrauded everyone and is working for a shorting ring.
For what its worth, I would like throw out an opinion on the question of how Rufus can be so cavalier in the face of so much adversity in his company. Why did he just fade away and not put up a fight when the whole Arlitt takeover was happening? Why does he insist that he is the real CEO? My speculative answer: He, or a trusted group, owns the company majority outright; no one has a claim to any shareholder priveleges because he controls the majority (control the game).
If I had planned a short-sting for two years this would be my ace in the hole. Let things go to he!! in a handbasket... let as many worms come out as possible; in the end I would be laughing last because I knew that I was untouchable with the float sitting in a steel box somewhere.
Many people might own large blocks of shares, some even to the extent that they seemingly have a claim to be a majority shareholder. But we know about the mess with the outstanding sharecount and the accusations of hundreds of millions of naked shorted shares and missing people from the NOBO list. The only true shareholders are those that bought up the float and did it before everyone else jumped on board. Anyone remember anything about a trust from the good old days? The whole reason things are such a mess may be because so many people own large chunks - potentially verifiable naked shorting and the reason RPH is still fighting. However, none of those large chunks are legal, including my little portion.
What did Euroclear see to give RPH fiduciary access to the Venez. bonds? What did RPH show the judge? Why did the legal shorts cover in Dec if we are heading down the toilet? Why did the SEC halt the day before alleged big news? Why can't we get an honest O/S out of anyone or the transfer agent? Why can't ADP get an accurate NOBO list? I have my guess and I'm looking forward to seeing where we are headed and how this plays out for those sticking around.
Plus the entertainment value just can't be beat.
...In My humble Opinion
nice post but no stock recovers from stuff like this
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Humble-not legal, you never got your certs? Me neither. At this point my stock value is barely the cost to get them, but I'll never sell at these levels so I guess I might as well get them. Might be a collectors item one day. Only $40 online request at eTrade. Last I checked I thought it was about $75 at Scotty.
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quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: Humble-not legal, you never got your certs? Me neither. At this point my stock value is less than the cost to get them, but I'll never sell at these levels so I guess I might as well get them. Might be a collectors item one day. Only $40 online request at eTrade.
The reason I have not requested certs is because I do not see that certs improve my position if the integrity of my and eveyone else's shares is called into question. FWIW, I believe there could be more printed certs than the A/S (BIG problem for the transfer agent, DTC and brokerages) so certs in and of themselves may not be the golden ticket if the hammer falls. I don't know how it will play out if there are a verifiable and large number of air-shares. In theory, the DTC would force a buyin but I don't think so... and the SEC seems to be letting this sort of thing slide. I am along for the ride popping in when I can.
I wonder what the shareholder/proxy vote Rufus talked about would do to force scrutiny on all of the alleged shares floating around?
quote:Originally posted by humble: I see the major players like this:
Mike Alexander: Poor guy who got in deep with some toxic financiers and then even deeper by allowing himself to play a useful pawn. Neither a threat to the company nor a savior.
John Arlitt: We know very little about his past, credentials, capabilities, motives or why he is even involved. We do know he pumped when necessary, mysteriously surfacing as the leading candidate in a shady shareholder move to take over a company just in time to oust the CEO and go silent to the general public except for the hearsay of HSM members.
Rufus Paul Harris: Loose cannon as a personality. Appears to have the connections to and knowledge of the only verifiable thing about this company - some kind of link to Euroclear. Interviews poorly but at least comes out in public to work his position. Has been true to the "Kill Shorty" theme from day 1.
I hear things like those mentioned by TonySoprano over on HSM and it makes me really start wondering where people's motives are right now. The idea of having a MM that was willing to support $2 for 30 days is absurd - that is a fool of a MM or one openly admitting the desire to illegally collude with other MMs to manupulate the PPS. I do not believe there was any such MM waiting in the wings.
Additionally, if there were SHC members allowed on a call of that nature you should be getting a big red flag in your head. Why on earth would a CEO contacting another insider about sensitive legal information allow shareholders to listen in? Or maybe they were told what happened by Arlitt? Either way stinks to me.
I have NEVER been convinced that anyone other than RPH is the legal CEO of CSHD or that anyone else can get things done without him. The way in which everything was pulled in by Arlitt and the mysterious majority looked fishy even as it was happening... and is more so now. Why can't the company move forward? Arlitt is powerless - RPH has the signature/codes to access anything of value to this company and he sure isn't going to turn anything over to the guy he feels defrauded everyone and is working for a shorting ring.
For what its worth, I would like throw out an opinion on the question of how Rufus can be so cavalier in the face of so much adversity in his company. Why did he just fade away and not put up a fight when the whole Arlitt takeover was happening? Why does he insist that he is the real CEO? My speculative answer: He, or a trusted group, owns the company majority outright; no one has a claim to any shareholder priveleges because he controls the majority (control the game).
If I had planned a short-sting for two years this would be my ace in the hole. Let things go to he!! in a handbasket... let as many worms come out as possible; in the end I would be laughing last because I knew that I was untouchable with the float sitting in a steel box somewhere.
Many people might own large blocks of shares, some even to the extent that they seemingly have a claim to be a majority shareholder. But we know about the mess with the outstanding sharecount and the accusations of hundreds of millions of naked shorted shares and missing people from the NOBO list. The only true shareholders are those that bought up the float and did it before everyone else jumped on board. Anyone remember anything about a trust from the good old days? The whole reason things are such a mess may be because so many people own large chunks - potentially verifiable naked shorting and the reason RPH is still fighting. However, none of those large chunks are legal, including my little portion.
What did Euroclear see to give RPH fiduciary access to the Venez. bonds? What did RPH show the judge? Why did the legal shorts cover in Dec if we are heading down the toilet? Why did the SEC halt the day before alleged big news? Why can't we get an honest O/S out of anyone or the transfer agent? Why can't ADP get an accurate NOBO list? I have my guess and I'm looking forward to seeing where we are headed and how this plays out for those sticking around.
Plus the entertainment value just can't be beat.
...In My humble Opinion
nice post but no stock recovers from stuff like this
I agree with much of what Humble posted and to answer the question of no stock ever recovers from stuff like this? You are correct unless they hold all the ACES in the deck. I thought it was very interesting when CSHD shares showed up on Euroclear. Could that be the float that Humble is talking about?
Also would like to add. How can JA and Mike go forward with the CSVU model and comapny if they are saying the merger is being unwound? If that is the case then it would revert to FHAL and CVSU would revert too being Private and not in their control. But the most intriguing part is that the shares have been issued under a CUSIP Number and Symbol. How do you unring that bell. How do you figure out who owns shares of the company and who doesn't. This doesn't seem feasiable to me.
Who's telling the truth will continue to be speculation until all is revealed by the SEC and the Court system publically. I believe in the X-files Motto: "Trust no one".
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: nice post but no stock recovers from stuff like this
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Thank you for the insightful and well-spoken prediction. I have been following along and thinking about plausible scenarios and always take interest in what other glean from the goings-on. However, I discount anyone who uses the term "never" or "always".
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You know ... something was going to happen at some point ... apparently, this is it ... at least to get things started again.
IMO, I hear alot of activity by many of our "leaders" ... why would anyone bother if this was all such a big farse. Why would Rufus say anything at this point, why would JA do whatever it is he's doing? Noone of it makes any sense, at this point, unless there truly is something to fight for, IMHO.
And, thank you Jenna for transcribing Rufus info!
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There is one thing That I may have missed being discussed here, if so I beg your pardon.
IMO, the most important documents to unraveling this whole mess and who was selling shares, or shorting, would be the NOBO and OBO lists from the 16th that shows the stockholders of record for the 6-1 and those that sold between that date and the SEC suspending trading, especially those that sold just prior to the announcement. It would be very interesting to see who exactly was selling. So I would say that the second NOBO and OBO would be the one from the day after the SEC suspension. Interesting reading IMO.
GLTA Wally
PS: Does anybody else find it interesting that Bodi(Mike Alexander) stated that he was posting from Mexico?
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You know ... something was going to happen at some point ... apparently, this is it ... at least to get things started again.
IMO, I hear alot of activity by many of our "leaders" ... why would anyone bother if this was all such a big farse. Why would Rufus say anything at this point, why would JA do whatever it is he's doing? Noone of it makes any sense, at this point, unless there truly is something to fight for, IMHO.
And, thank you Jenna for transcribing Rufus info!
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Well after about ten posts he was indeed banned, right after saying this to the mod Don on the thread.
"Originally Posted by LP640 common don when are you going to stop the charade and grow some balls, and tell it like how it is? are you that insecure that you would abuse your powers? let's give these people a show. stop being so serious. relax. lets bring back the positive energy in this thread. we need all we can get. don't be so sensitive."
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Doc, I hope Arlitt SEVERELY disappoints you and proves that even YOU dont have all of the answers. If you knew "all along" that the guy screaming shorters the loudest was probably the guilty one then why did you remain an investor?! Why did you let your own daughter leave her money invested when you KNEW Rufus was just going to short it and leave her broke?
When you first came into this board people distrusted you because of some of your comments, and then you retracted those comments so people would like you again. Oddly enough it appears you never really changed your mind, you just refrained from posting your true feelings....until now of course since Rufus is such an easy target.
Its no secret that I hate what Rufus did to some people. He either A-Scammed everyone or B-Was legit but got in over his head.....in either case he lost some people A LOT of money. But, you....nor any other self proclaimed securities law professional on this board, have any right to post such inflammatory things against a guy that has not even been judged yet! And, do you think I gave a "F" what Tony Soprano has to say?!?! Who the hell is he to me?!
This board is FULL of people either brainwashing or being brainwashed themselves....which is why i rarely post anymore. Some of you people will believe anything. Where the hell are our Gates of Victory huh?
Wake up people, Arlitt isnt your savior. If you are looking for someone who probably made a mint off of this you might want to look his direction...of course hes a German Canadian with ties all over the world so i doubt you will find what you are looking for.
Oh, and the SCH keeps getting brought up as well. Again i say, on what legal grounds do we have a SHC?!?! None
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: wow so we could have been at $2 but rufus said no. WOW
If you can get lucky enough to contact a SHC member, ask him. I also think that Sabra might have been involved. Sabra maybe ..... Rufus and Ben, I would bet on it.
Id say Sabra for sure.....Rufus and Ben, not likely.
Do you all honestly think that we could have re-opened at $2 and Rufus himself put a stop on it?! LOL Because a member of the SHC said so? ROFLMAO!!!!
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All I can say is rufas got us to 4 while ceo john hasnt gotten us past 20 cents who is his group ? why the secrets with shc peeps did they do something wrong? hmm? My guess is they wil get what they deserve..also did MA put rufas in this trap when talks about the merger cause he seemed to say he didnt know why the pps wouldnt go up with everything he tried so he wanted the merger figured itd help the shareholders LOL when all along he knew it was because of the toxic financing etc... and james gee what a laugh is he ? He was worthless and he did something wrong and just wanted in the know and what about the form for shareholders to sign our shares and address? They did something really wrong with that we never got welcome letters... I hope the wrong doers burn and I truly mean it because they are all cowards and cannot speak the truth and cannot explain themselves but cry when they are called upon! If they cannot explain themselves and disappeared trust me they are evil and now they are scared the shc was for us but did any of them tell us anything worth hearing or were they just stupid and didnt know what they were doing? hmmm I dont care i will wait it out and when the truth does show we will be relieved of this bs from those who try to act like they are in the know and all no word will be good enough until we see court results legal papers no stupid pr no stupid spr though it is all amusing at the same time... I just want my money and will wait and if i lost it all so be it whoever stole it from us will pay 10 fold it always works that way maybe a lose of friends loved ones car accident...etc it is always never connected but they do get thier return and they never see it because of what they did to deserve such a lose but it does happen believe me the law may not get them but fate always does.... My opinion only good luck to all and we will prevail eventually even if it is not with this stock good wil come to those who do good evil to the evil ones.....
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: wow so we could have been at $2 but rufus said no. WOW
If you can get lucky enough to contact a SHC member, ask him. I also think that Sabra might have been involved. Sabra maybe ..... Rufus and Ben, I would bet on it.
Id say Sabra for sure.....Rufus and Ben, not likely.
Do you all honestly think that we could have re-opened at $2 and Rufus himself put a stop on it?! LOL Because a member of the SHC said so? ROFLMAO!!!!
People get off the MM and reopen at $2 thing... if it WAS true it was a stupid proposal. 10of13 has stated it several times and it is the absolute truth. At the time the SEC would not allow Rufus to release any 10K that included the bonds because of the default document he signed. Any MM would have required a 10K to be filed for them to file to quote, and I am pretty sure the promise to support $2 included a company that had the bonds in a filing. Hence the catch 22 and reason Rufus refused. If he signed with the MM the SEC would call Fraud and send the company into imediate recievership. If he didn't he missed and opportunity to relist with an MM and begin quoting at $2.
I am more concerned, and according to SPR the other night so was Rufus was that they showed up to the table with an MM who could have the deal signed by an SEC attourney the very next day. And then when a change of TA was suggested John brought Signature from Plano TX to the table. Who had approached Rufus earlier about paying him to borrow his shares. Another skeptical company in the mix of all of this.
I think this whole thing is FUBAR and I am hoping someone in the Gov't is taking some serious notes.
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Someone from the SHC has sold all of there shares today, & now is talking about what he could not talk about before....this is from HSM...
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Originally Posted by jesuspower1 I think you missed the explanations by several in the past, but I'll clarify for you:
The SHC was asked to be formed by Rufus and I believe that it was to take the heat off of himself for his lack of action, which appeared increasingly evident that was his plan...to let the company go into receivership and blame it on everyone else.
After meeting many different people that knew RPH and by even talking to RPH himself, I've come to realize that he's a master diverter. He talks out of one side of his mouth on SPR, then his actions are opposite, then he blames the problems on other people/organizations.
If you can't see that, I'm sorry for you.
The SHC was formed by honest, hard working individuals wishing to help be a part of something good. We were told all the shareholders would know what we discussed, then told not to utter a word, then sign a NDA not to discuss certain issues...so what were we to do?!? We hated not being able to say anything...trust me!
We did NOT have any intentions of misleading ANYONE!!! We did NOTHING illegal and were not out to screw anyone! Many have resigned at this point anyway.
The SHC was asked by Ben Stanley for $200,000 to retain a lawyer, RPH said that never happened...he's a liar!!!
When RPH was asked to do certain things to restore the value to $2, he said he was meeting with lawyers and would let us know...he then came back and said he had an attorney and that he would not fulfill our request, though JA had several things lined up.
After a bit we asked RPH for answers and he didn't respond...then said on SPR that he told us he was on vacation: LIE!!! He was probably in jail.
Then we found out Shares were missing and that they went to family and friends and many of them sold shares above the $3 range...remember when ALADY came on and said they didn't??? LIE!!! RPH admitted on SPR the other night that they did and that it was their prerogative to do what they want...meanwhile he told all the SHEEP to buy and hold...don't feed the beast! WHATEVER YOU FREAKIN LIAR!!!
Then he said I told him I bought a $60,000 car with proceeds from sale of the stock! LIE! It's a $30,000 car that I used my sisters money to buy with intentions of paying her back when I sold the stock. I told him that the car is what I was able to get based on the value going up.
Then he said that I introduced my father as "GOD". Whatever you liar! My dad put "father of jp1...aka GOD" on his name badge and I introduced him and said he calls himself God...we all laughed b/c it was a funny joke! So how he could be offended when he uses God to get Christians to buy then he and his family unload, and furthermore he curses and drinks himself into jail...yet he's offended?!?!
What a scammer and con-artist! If you can't see the forked tongue, talking outta both sides of his mouth, deceiver that this man is...I'm sorry for you!!!
When several Shareholders were approached with info on wrongdoing and asked for their vote to make a majority, it was done. We believed that it was in the best interest of all shareholders.
If you want a CEO that is prone to drunkeness and driving while intoxicated and spending time in jail, then that is your investment decision. I supported that man more than most, I believed in him and drank his koolaid, but now I've seen enough to know I was duped. But HEY!!! I was in good company of the calibur of people that were duped as well...some very high-profile people.
I am out now though...taking my obscene losses, just over $250k, and moving on...probably better for my heart and stomach!!! No more drama, no more tears or sleepless nights...praise the LORD! After all, He seems to be the only one to trust in all this!!!
Good luck to all. Sincerely
Justin
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Geez he had over $250k in this? Im sorry but I don't care what company it is big boards or not, unless youre a billionaire which i don't think JP1 is, you shouldn't have that much tied up in one thing.
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Yeah Jenna I read that over there... I hate to say it but I had to laugh at the confession/unveiling.
He says Rufus was talking with a forked toungue, but the entire time he was privy to all this info and he was still comming out on the boards telling us "We are fine, give it a couple of months." Nothing more forked toungue than that. I remember Rufus elaborating on how serious the SEC was the day after the halt. "They want it all, and they tried to get everything." was his response after the first court date. Nothing forked about that toungue. CEO just being straight, even if he was caught in the headlights at the time.
I like the user Rhett's response to JP1's unveiling..
"Originally Posted by rhett I think all these people that are on the SCH and others have one thing against them thats making their judgments. They all invested more than they were able to lose therfore the slow movement of the stock and the price drop is eating them alive . They are looking for every angle and excuse to comfort them during this time. Give of hard evidence is all I want . So far there is none . Only a bunch highly emotional amateur investors with their life savings at stake . Drama!"
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Doc, I hope Arlitt SEVERELY disappoints you and proves that even YOU dont have all of the answers. If you knew "all along" that the guy screaming shorters the loudest was probably the guilty one then why did you remain an investor?! Why did you let your own daughter leave her money invested when you KNEW Rufus was just going to short it and leave her broke?
When you first came into this board people distrusted you because of some of your comments, and then you retracted those comments so people would like you again. Oddly enough it appears you never really changed your mind, you just refrained from posting your true feelings....until now of course since Rufus is such an easy target.
Its no secret that I hate what Rufus did to some people. He either A-Scammed everyone or B-Was legit but got in over his head.....in either case he lost some people A LOT of money. But, you....nor any other self proclaimed securities law professional on this board, have any right to post such inflammatory things against a guy that has not even been judged yet! And, do you think I gave a "F" what Tony Soprano has to say?!?! Who the hell is he to me?!
This board is FULL of people either brainwashing or being brainwashed themselves....which is why i rarely post anymore. Some of you people will believe anything. Where the hell are our Gates of Victory huh?
Wake up people, Arlitt isnt your savior. If you are looking for someone who probably made a mint off of this you might want to look his direction...of course hes a German Canadian with ties all over the world so i doubt you will find what you are looking for.
Oh, and the SCH keeps getting brought up as well. Again i say, on what legal grounds do we have a SHC?!?! None
C, don't be rude to my daddy just because he feels different than you.....he didn't do anything wrong....he feels their are scammers involved in this & so do you....you just don't agree on who it is....that's ok...the truth will come out...none of us know who it is....my dad came on here thinking Rufus was questionable, then he gave him the benefit of the doubt & actually really started to like him, then he wondered about him not being the typical CEO, but didn't worry him so much...but a few weeks ago he started really thinking that Rufus & Ben were up to no good....that's his perogotive.....& as for him holding.....we could ask the same of you if you hate John why are you holding? It would be the same answer...it's not worth selling it right now....because the "business plan" is worth more than .07 / share......
Personally, I don't care who did what wrong, I don't care if John is in there holding the price down because he shorted, I don't care if Rufus secretly sold shares when it was at $4...I just care about getting my money back...then whom ever the FBI finds is guilty then I hope that person or person gets whats coming to them.....They are lucky they are in Georgia and not NY....New Yorkers would take care of the culprit NY style......
.....for now I will consentrate on my other plays...
By the way Mr. C, your mommy & me may see things differently but I still think she is one of the nicest people I have spoken with... Hi Momma**wave**
So just don't let your emotions get mad at others for thinking diffeently than you.....we all have one thing in common....we want to get our money back....really we would all love to MAKE money on this.....
Good Luck All....& Mr.C - I still love ya!!!!
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Who is Robert Bogutski? President of a Dallas-based transfer agent called Idata in 1995. Enter the SEC:
The Complaint alleges violations of the antifraud and registration provisions of the federal securities laws in the course of a scheme to promote, distribute, and manipulate the market for, securities of EHI, a "penny stock" company.
The Complaint alleges, among other things, that Christopher, while in control of EHI, and with the participation of certain other defendants, misappropriated shares of EHI common stock and sold these shares into the market. As set forth in the Complaint, Idata, EHI's transfer agent, acting on the instructions of Christopher, destroyed records relating to ownership of these shares and transferred the shares to a shell corporation controlled by Christopher. The Complaint further alleges that Christopher, with the participation of certain other defendants, improperly used Regulation S and Form S-8 registrations to make public distributions of EHI stock in the United States.
Mr. Bogutski, a resident of Dallas, Texas, served as president of Idata from May 1987 until June 1993, and was a control person of Idata as that term is defined in Section 20(a) of the Exchange Act. In 1989, Bogutski pleaded guilty to a felony count of embezzling funds from a national bank, an offense specified in Section 15(b)(4)(B) of the Exchange Act.
Why does this matter:
Signature Stock Transfer of Plano TX President: Jason Bogutski Location: Plano TX
How many Bogutski surnames could I find in the ENTIRE state of TX? 5 at only 2 addresses.
One address is our Jason. The other 4 people live together and guess who the male of the house is? Robert Bogutski.
The addresses are just a few miles from each other in Plano TX.
Yeah, I know, could be a coincidence, right? And the fact that a Canadian happened to suggest this little firm in Plano TX could be a coincidence, as well.
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