Whenever you see someone, out of pure speculation say something indefensible like "Rufus planned all of this" or "Rufus gave the judge this secret paper that validates everything"
Then, you have to get just as pissed off at them as you did to me.
To have a good discussion on a stock, everyone has to dismiss excessive bashing AND pumping.
If that happens around here, I won't have a problem with this thread, but the way it is now, I need to balance the excessive pumping around here with the negative stuff I have been posting, or else it's just not "fair and balanced".
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quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: But, you also have to do one more thing:
Whenever you see someone, out of pure speculation say something indefensible like "Rufus planned all of this" or "Rufus gave the judge this secret paper that validates everything"
Then, you have to get just as pissed off at them as you did to me.
To have a good discussion on a stock, everyone has to dismiss excessive bashing AND pumping.
If that happens around here, I won't have a problem with this thread, but the way it is now, I need to balance the excessive pumping around here with the negative stuff I have been posting, or else it's just not "fair and balanced".
LOL you are the thread monitor. I had no idea. Well excuse us your self ordained holiness.
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: But, you also have to do one more thing:
Whenever you see someone, out of pure speculation say something indefensible like "Rufus planned all of this" or "Rufus gave the judge this secret paper that validates everything"
Then, you have to get just as pissed off at them as you did to me.
To have a good discussion on a stock, everyone has to dismiss excessive bashing AND pumping.
If that happens around here, I won't have a problem with this thread, but the way it is now, I need to balance the excessive pumping around here with the negative stuff I have been posting, or else it's just not "fair and balanced".
LOL you are the thread monitor. I had no idea. Well excuse us your self ordained holiness.
go play with your dog or something.
I'm sorry man, if you can't hold up a debate about anything contrary to what you think, then don't try to engage in the first place. Please, go talk to someone who thinks just like you so you can feel better about all of your choices. I will be over here in reality though.
If people are gonna say the DD is good here or everyone that has a positive outlook on this stock is "fair" while those that don't have alterior motives, then how is that fair?
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quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: It's ok-only 10of13 seems to have an open mind here. I will wish the rest of you all well in lala land.
Will you please say something constructive, dammit? You're like those friggen rubberneckers that slow traffic down to stare at the accident on the oppossite side.
Here's a great idea....let ME invest MY money in this company. I don't need to be rescued by Noobs like YOU, but thanks for the offer.
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Neptune... I think I get where you are coming from...and I do understand...BUT? I am not sure that posters coming into the thread with the "scare and the beware"...always does any good... I have always said...to not fall for the BS on the boards... Always said to protect your capital! The "CRAP" that surrounds this stock is unreal...AND? the more that comes of the "Nay Sayers" the more this stock stays to the top of the boards...Make sense?
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quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: It's ok-only 10of13 seems to have an open mind here. I will wish the rest of you all well in lala land.
Will you please say something constructive, dammit? You're like those friggen rubberneckers that slow traffic down to stare at the accident on the oppossite side.
Here's a great idea....let ME invest MY money in this company. I don't need to be rescued by Noobs like YOU, but thanks for the offer.
I thought it was pretty constructive to say to put an end to excessive pumping, but that wasn't good enough...I said I would leave this thread alone as long as it did that, and I mean it.
In my past experience, I did fall for excessive pumping and it sucked.
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Well it may of cost me a lot of money, but I have learned something very valuable. I don't like this game, and I am going back to my old game come Tuesday........... Hope to never be tempted again. We stop growing if we stop learning. Damn I learned something. Thks, guys for helping me see the light.....
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quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: It's ok-only 10of13 seems to have an open mind here. I will wish the rest of you all well in lala land.
Will you please say something constructive, dammit? You're like those friggen rubberneckers that slow traffic down to stare at the accident on the oppossite side.
Here's a great idea....let ME invest MY money in this company. I don't need to be rescued by Noobs like YOU, but thanks for the offer.
I thought it was pretty constructive to say to put an end to excessive pumping, but that wasn't good enough...I said I would leave this thread alone as long as it did that, and I mean it.
In my past experience, I did fall for excessive pumping and it sucked.
you sir are an idiot - Rufus Paul Harris, 2006.
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quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Here's a plan, come to a board, insult everyone, and then when they get angry tell them that they aren't open minded...LOL...
Who did I insult? I came, posted a link then I had to deal with a barrage of comments direct to me, so I defended myself.
It would have ended if you just took my link without complaining, but the second one negative thing is said here, everyone throw a fit and everything gets out of hand like it has now.
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I've stayed away for quite a while now because, frankly, Between those that thought everything was part of the plan to those who think that people are acutally going to jump right in after a SEC suspension and court case, it was hard to find any middle ground. I don't believe either camp. ANYONE who buys, sells or holds a stock strictly based on what they read on messages boards deserves whatever they get.
As I have stated in the past, whatever you read here or on any other message board should only be the beginning. A point to begin your own DD. If you play a stock strictly for the momenteum, then reading the consensus is helpful. There have been many here on this board that have stated over and over that people should look to protect their capital investment first, before looking at the long term POSSIBILITIES. There are no saviours and nothing replaces good individual DD. 10 of 13 has stated this over and over. I completely agree with her.
IMO, The 7th is not going to solve everything, all anyone needs to do is research cases that have previously gone to court. Besides any rulings remember that MM's and brokers that wish to quote this stock are REQUIRED to do their own DD. The rules of state this and no one can get around it. I doubt very seriously that CSHD will be fully quoted come Tuesday. I believe it will be traded as a grey sheet with no bid and no ask, at least for some period of time. I have yet to find ONE stock that was quoted immediately after an SEC suspension or investigation. Does it mean that the stock is a fraud? Not neccessarily. If it begins trading again does it mean that CSHD is vindicated? Not neccessarily.
Without a doubt there were events that took place that are contrary to SEC rules and regulations. What you may ask? Well, let's start with the fact that FHAL and CSHD financials should have been combined in the 10K and were not. That is why Mr. Horton is no longer with CSHD because he should have known better. This is the reason the 10K needs to be amended. Rufus speaking so frankly on Paltalk and Subpenney radio are another violation because he jumped the gun many times, giving information to the listnerers that was not public prior to him talking about it. Lastly there was a violation as far as the merger was concerned because shares were issued, it is my belief that they were issued to AISS shareholders but the merger agreement stated in no uncertain terms that NO shares were to be issued until all matters were resolved. You have to go back to the board removing Dr Mensah and the statement that AISS stockholders could excahnge their shares 1 for 1 for CSHD shares to understand where I am comming from. Those are, IMO, the violations that led to the removal of Rufus and Darryl Horton.
Now the issue of the bonds and the misrepresentation of them in the 10K. Very few have discussed the terms of the agreements that enabled CSHD to obtain these bonds. In the 8K's it clearly stated how this happened. In consideration of CSHD being able to utilize the bonds the originator of the bonds was to recieve 50% of the sum hypothacated and 50% fo the profits that the funds were used for. Sweet deal. Makes a lot of sense why people were willing to place their bonds with CSHD. The problem comes in how those assests are reported. They were reported as assest without any liabilities. I'm not an accountant but that does not seem kosher to me. Yet, half of 7.3B is still substanial and lends creedence to the viability of the company. Just taking that at face value would mean the Book Value is $35 instead of $70. Let's divide that in half because the Bond owners would own 1/2 of all the JV's and SUB's and we still have a Book Value of $17.50 instead of $35. Now keep in mind this assumes that CSHD does actually own the bonds they say they do.
Nothing fraudulent here just erroneous like the statement by Mike Alexander states. We may get some clarification come Tuesday we may not. Is all of this according to plan? I highly doubt it. Is it real or is it memorex(a scam). no one can say for certain, not the bashers nor the pumpers. IMO, the resolution will take weeks at a minimum and probably months but not one person on God's green earth can claim to a certainty how this will play out.
Buy, Sell or Hold at your own risk.
Neptune you should listen to Simon at SubPenney before you decree that he is a pumper. I have and he has always and I mean always stated that people should do their own DD and has stated that the shares he holds are profit shares from flipping and he doesn't care one way or the other how this turns out. If you had listened you would have heard that he never once encouraged anyone to buy and has also given time to those who feel that CSHD is a scam. You should do your DD before pronoucing judgement. If you truely are attempting to save newbies, they deserve to hear both sides without bias.
This is all my opinion. Do not use it to influence your investment stradegy. Use it to begin or continue your own DD because nothing can replace the DD that you yourself does.
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: It's ok-only 10of13 seems to have an open mind here. I will wish the rest of you all well in lala land.
Will you please say something constructive, dammit? You're like those friggen rubberneckers that slow traffic down to stare at the accident on the oppossite side.
Here's a great idea....let ME invest MY money in this company. I don't need to be rescued by Noobs like YOU, but thanks for the offer.
I thought it was pretty constructive to say to put an end to excessive pumping, but that wasn't good enough...I said I would leave this thread alone as long as it did that, and I mean it.
In my past experience, I did fall for excessive pumping and it sucked.
you sir are an idiot - Rufus Paul Harris, 2006.
Bravo, you seem like the type of person who always makes things better and alleviates conflict.
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Shareholders there is too much confusion here since the recent changes. For everyone's information from what I found out there will not be a change for the additional 6 shares. That still stands and will not be changed I was informed. I will be back to update you all more either later or tomorrow but in the meantime think about the "Big Picture" and don't lose sight of that and do not, I repeat do not even answer back or quote anyone who is not on the same page. It is now up to all of you to do the same as before but now with the new changes. When this resumes trading hold strong, be strong and you will be victorious. We have the power just on this forum alone to make the shorts sweat and beg for shares.
You are either with or without. You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.
Those who stand before me will live. Those who stand with their backs to me will surely perish.
ya KHabar befloos, bukrah yeb'a bebalash الصمت احيانا ضروري. بعض الانبياء المزيفين عندما اتكلم كثيرا وان لم يتكلم. كل شيء سيكون علي كشف لكم وسيكون النصر لكم.
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quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: It's ok-only 10of13 seems to have an open mind here. I will wish the rest of you all well in lala land.
Will you please say something constructive, dammit? You're like those friggen rubberneckers that slow traffic down to stare at the accident on the oppossite side.
Here's a great idea....let ME invest MY money in this company. I don't need to be rescued by Noobs like YOU, but thanks for the offer.
I thought it was pretty constructive to say to put an end to excessive pumping, but that wasn't good enough...I said I would leave this thread alone as long as it did that, and I mean it.
In my past experience, I did fall for excessive pumping and it sucked.
you sir are an idiot - Rufus Paul Harris, 2006.
Bravo, you seem like the type of person who always makes things better and alleviates conflict.
You look rediculous insulting a complete group of people. You are already without, and for that there is no need for consolation.
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You're right, when you call me an idiot, it is I who is insulting people. I will stop posting now, unless you give me more opportunities to defend myself. If you do, then I will gladly keep defending myself with my own take. If you discontinue, then let the chips fall where there may, and I hope you are prepared for whatever is coming this week.
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quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: You're right, when you call me an idiot, it is I who is insulting people. I will stop posting now, unless you give me more opportunities to defend myself. If you do, then I will gladly keep defending myself with my own take. If you discontinue, then let the chips fall where there may, and I hope you are prepared for whatever is coming this week.
LOL ok then buh bye now.
And it was a statement made by Rufus himself to an sec employee. I was just curious at how much you know about this stock, nothing.
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[/qb][/QUOTE]I thought it was pretty constructive to say to put an end to excessive pumping, but that wasn't good enough...I said I would leave this thread alone as long as it did that, and I mean it.
In my past experience, I did fall for excessive pumping and it sucked. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Why do you think that you are qualified to decide what excessive pumping is and then decide that you are appointed to put a stop to it?
Would it not be more effective to discuss the events without making any judgements? This is where discussion ends. Because now it becomes a contest of who is right and who is wrong. Isn't this about investing one's money and making a profit? In that case let's leave ego's at the door. It's all about the money and how NEWBIES can gain insight into protecting their capital and making good trades. If you really widh to help the Newbie, point them to where they can do some DD, educate them. Don't tell them stay away this is being pumped and you are sure to lose your money. For every pumper there is a basher. What motives do bashers have? The easiest and most senisble is to create a drop in the PPS allowing them to enter and then make a profit once the stock begins to rise. I, personally don't beleive in paid bashers. I think it's myth. It makes more sense for there to be as many groups that work the oppose of the pump and dump which would be to bash and buy, then pump and dump.
Whatever the case, if you present facts then it is facts that are dealt with. If you decide to make it about saving people Vs informing people, well you end up reaping what you sow.
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I guess I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but think NOW I know how this game works. Pump, pump the stock and NEWBIES (like me) buy raising the pps. Then BASH the stock scaring NEWBIES (like me to sell) even at a loss where other NEWBIES (like them) think they have a steal and buy the stock. And on and ON it goes. Some game. Sad game.
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quote:Originally posted by 3403: I guess I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but think NOW I know how this game works. Pump, pump the stock and NEWBIES (like me) buy raising the pps. Then BASH the stock scaring NEWBIES (like me to sell) even at a loss where other NEWBIES (like them) think they have a steal and buy the stock. And on and ON it goes. Some game. Sad game.
this is not a normal play 3403... however? there is a lot of what you describe in th stock market...
the pennies and the bulletin boards are not unique in this activity.. MSNBC does it too...
the trick? is not to be greedy... 20% in a month is a good, no, a great gain... people who hang around for more are greeedy...
there are stocks that people retire on... BUT? they are few and far between...
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