quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I would never call you out on that.
You're saying that he fudged the 500 million bonds with siggys, stamps and all.....
Now that is funny.
Come on man what are you doing?? Look in the mirror is this what you want??
Surfer , those sigs and stamps could be easily forged or modified with basic computer skills . You have kids making money on their computers all the time and its suppose to be counterfiet proof .
those were also notarized so technically all parties had to be present and be witnessed signing the contracts to be notarized. FWIW our-street called mike reclaiming the ceo's position. I have to give credit where credits due even to him.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Many concerns about the 6;1 change...but here's a possible thought...(just thought that I'd add to the couple of other dozen that are out there)
Since the trading is suspended, AND? they need to get an MM to trade for them...they must convince the MM of their financials correct? Is it not the MM and the Company that "decide" the PPS when trading starts?
Is it not possible that IF all is proven to the SEC of these bonds and CSHD's assets that this "new MM" start the trading at the $15/pps?
Would that not "cover" all promises and obligations?
10sba, 8k, 10Q and what ever other filing need to be done and the PR of a MM highered to open trading on Such and such date?
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: I woke up at 3:30 ET and am only on p.30, but two things are certain here:
1) Yes this is an admission of guilt. (Probably as per settlement w/SEC)
2) The 6-1 could possibly change. BUT it is just one possible allotment of the $15 per share as dictated in the 8-K, that is what we are promised that cannot be revolked I believe.
You got it surf...
Well...as we know, peeps consistently confuse halt and suspension. So that part of your conjecture "fits." However, as I understood it, the linchpin to the reset was the 368 provision... ie, "we can reset it [specifically] because of [IRS 368]." So, to me, that doesn't fit...
right but TEX the way I get this is that we can't trade until we get a new MM...SO...when they get the MM...they have to convince the MM of the VALUE and the ASSETS...I don't know how this is done..BUT it seems that this would allow the MM to set the price at a reasonable value according to the assets...
correct...back to the 15c2-11, for which "proving up" to an MM seems to me to just gotten *more* complicated, lol, if that's posssible. By that I mean, in order to stay even close the realm of a huge pps increase...
What I can't around at the moment is the debt they (FHAL) let slide...with Alexander et al back in the picture...how is "this" company different from "that" company?
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I would never call you out on that.
You're saying that he fudged the 500 million bonds with siggys, stamps and all.....
Now that is funny.
Come on man what are you doing?? Look in the mirror is this what you want??
Surfer , those sigs and stamps could be easily forged or modified with basic computer skills . You have kids making money on their computers all the time and its suppose to be counterfiet proof .
those were also notarized so technically all parties had to be present and be witnessed signing the contracts to be notarized. FWIW our-street called mike reclaiming the ceo's position. I have to give credit where credits due even to him.
And if thats the case , why didn't the SEC subpena the notary to testify the docs are real and that the correct people signed them before her ? If they were actually notarized , the notary keeps records and must keep id # for each person in her books . Open and shut case right ? Wouldn't even need to contact Euroclear .
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I would never call you out on that.
You're saying that he fudged the 500 million bonds with siggys, stamps and all.....
Now that is funny.
Come on man what are you doing?? Look in the mirror is this what you want??
Surfer , those sigs and stamps could be easily forged or modified with basic computer skills . You have kids making money on their computers all the time and its suppose to be counterfiet proof .
those were also notarized so technically all parties had to be present and be witnessed signing the contracts to be notarized. FWIW our-street called mike reclaiming the ceo's position. I have to give credit where credits due even to him.
And if thats the case , why didn't the SEC subpena the notary to testify the docs are real and that the correct people signed them before her ? If they were actually notarized , the notary keeps records and must keep id # for each person in her books . Open and shut case right ? Wouldn't even need to contact Euroclear .
Because I Notary DOES NOT certify the docs are real!
A Notary only validates the parties present are who they say they are and they are signing document X.
Like an affidavit...the Notary does not certify what is said is the truth...only that the person who said it is who they say they are.
Know what you are saying before you say it.
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quote:Originally posted by portman: You are called out...and I do not post...unless I know the answer.
So, I already know your speculation is wrong.
If I am wrong ......... PROVE IT !! You said I do not post unless I know the answer . You also said I am wrong . Therefore you know for a fact I am wrong or you would not have posted so . Now PROVE IT !!!
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I would never call you out on that.
You're saying that he fudged the 500 million bonds with siggys, stamps and all.....
Now that is funny.
Come on man what are you doing?? Look in the mirror is this what you want??
Surfer , those sigs and stamps could be easily forged or modified with basic computer skills . You have kids making money on their computers all the time and its suppose to be counterfiet proof .
those were also notarized so technically all parties had to be present and be witnessed signing the contracts to be notarized. FWIW our-street called mike reclaiming the ceo's position. I have to give credit where credits due even to him.
Perhaps I'm missing the point, but will say a notary can't vouch for "authenticity" vs. "forgery." Are you saying that by in fact having all parties present to notary's satisfaction, their being present would indicate "no forgery" ?
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quote:Originally posted by 3403: Bashing doesn't make a good stock bad, and pumping doesn't make a bad stock good. It is what it is, and this one stinks.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Many concerns about the 6;1 change...but here's a possible thought...(just thought that I'd add to the couple of other dozen that are out there)
Since the trading is suspended, AND? they need to get an MM to trade for them...they must convince the MM of their financials correct? Is it not the MM and the Company that "decide" the PPS when trading starts?
Is it not possible that IF all is proven to the SEC of these bonds and CSHD's assets that this "new MM" start the trading at the $15/pps?
Would that not "cover" all promises and obligations?
10sba, 8k, 10Q and what ever other filing need to be done and the PR of a MM highered to open trading on Such and such date?
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: I woke up at 3:30 ET and am only on p.30, but two things are certain here:
1) Yes this is an admission of guilt. (Probably as per settlement w/SEC)
2) The 6-1 could possibly change. BUT it is just one possible allotment of the $15 per share as dictated in the 8-K, that is what we are promised that cannot be revolked I believe.
You got it surf...
Well...as we know, peeps consistently confuse halt and suspension. So that part of your conjecture "fits." However, as I understood it, the linchpin to the reset was the 368 provision... ie, "we can reset it [specifically] because of [IRS 368]." So, to me, that doesn't fit...
right but TEX the way I get this is that we can't trade until we get a new MM...SO...when they get the MM...they have to convince the MM of the VALUE and the ASSETS...I don't know how this is done..BUT it seems that this would allow the MM to set the price at a reasonable value according to the assets...
correct...back to the 15c2-11, for which "proving up" to an MM seems to me to just gotten *more* complicated, lol, if that's posssible. By that I mean, in order to stay even close the realm of a huge pps increase...
What I can't around at the moment is the debt they (FHAL) let slide...with Alexander et al back in the picture...how is "this" company different from "that" company?
LOL...I don't know that one...Seems it is still CSHD...AND? if the bonds are prooved to be owned by CSHD...then...I figured that this could "open" with an MM at the actual book value or higher PPS...
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I would never call you out on that.
You're saying that he fudged the 500 million bonds with siggys, stamps and all.....
Now that is funny.
Come on man what are you doing?? Look in the mirror is this what you want??
Surfer , those sigs and stamps could be easily forged or modified with basic computer skills . You have kids making money on their computers all the time and its suppose to be counterfiet proof .
those were also notarized so technically all parties had to be present and be witnessed signing the contracts to be notarized. FWIW our-street called mike reclaiming the ceo's position. I have to give credit where credits due even to him.
And if thats the case , why didn't the SEC subpena the notary to testify the docs are real and that the correct people signed them before her ? If they were actually notarized , the notary keeps records and must keep id # for each person in her books . Open and shut case right ? Wouldn't even need to contact Euroclear .
Because I Notary DOES NOT certify the docs are real!
A Notary only validates the parties present are who they say they are and they are signing document X.
Like an affidavit...the Notary does not certify what is said is the truth...only that the person who said it is who they say they are.
Know what you are saying before you say it.
Don't play me for some moron Port . The not. would have to verify that the people signing the docs are who they say they are . The SEC never said the bonds weren't real , they said they didn't believe CSHD owns them . Now if the correct people signed the bonds and the not can verify this , what part of that doesn't prove that CSHD does infact own them as the doc claims ?
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quote:Originally posted by portman: You are called out...and I do not post...unless I know the answer.
So, I already know your speculation is wrong.
If I am wrong ......... PROVE IT !! You said I do not post unless I know the answer . You also said I am wrong . Therefore you know for a fact I am wrong or you would not have posted so . Now PROVE IT !!!
You speculated...and stated it as fact....you did the "DD" that indicates what you say is true.
You only want me to prove it because you can't back what you say up...
I have a track record of not lying here...Not sure you have the same.
My information is not only known to me here...several will know. I am not convincing you...just calling you out and I know you cannot prove it...because if you really DDed it you would verify my position.
...and don't think I don't know it....lol
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quote:Originally posted by portman: You are called out...and I do not post...unless I know the answer.
So, I already know your speculation is wrong.
If I am wrong ......... PROVE IT !! You said I do not post unless I know the answer . You also said I am wrong . Therefore you know for a fact I am wrong or you would not have posted so . Now PROVE IT !!!
fellas? no problem...yet. Call each other out, fine. But I see this getting heated, so just a friendly reminder not to devolve into namecalling, nastiness, etc.
Thanks!
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I would never call you out on that.
You're saying that he fudged the 500 million bonds with siggys, stamps and all.....
Now that is funny.
Come on man what are you doing?? Look in the mirror is this what you want??
Surfer , those sigs and stamps could be easily forged or modified with basic computer skills . You have kids making money on their computers all the time and its suppose to be counterfiet proof .
those were also notarized so technically all parties had to be present and be witnessed signing the contracts to be notarized. FWIW our-street called mike reclaiming the ceo's position. I have to give credit where credits due even to him.
And if thats the case , why didn't the SEC subpena the notary to testify the docs are real and that the correct people signed them before her ? If they were actually notarized , the notary keeps records and must keep id # for each person in her books . Open and shut case right ? Wouldn't even need to contact Euroclear .
Because I Notary DOES NOT certify the docs are real!
A Notary only validates the parties present are who they say they are and they are signing document X.
Like an affidavit...the Notary does not certify what is said is the truth...only that the person who said it is who they say they are.
Know what you are saying before you say it.
Don't play me for some moron Port . The not. would have to verify that the people signing the docs are who they say they are . The SEC never said the bonds weren't real , they said they didn't believe CSHD owns them . Now if the correct people signed the bonds and the not can verify this , what part of that doesn't prove that CSHD does infact own them as the doc claims ?
All the court would do is request the Noraty log and verify it was in order. The Notary can ONLY verify the proper ID was checked.
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quote:Originally posted by portman: You are called out...and I do not post...unless I know the answer.
So, I already know your speculation is wrong.
If I am wrong ......... PROVE IT !! You said I do not post unless I know the answer . You also said I am wrong . Therefore you know for a fact I am wrong or you would not have posted so . Now PROVE IT !!!
fellas? no problem...yet. Call each other out, fine. But I see this getting heated, so just a friendly reminder not to devolve into namecalling, nastiness, etc.
Thanks!
Only because you are so nice Tex...I will stopp the clutter.
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quote:Originally posted by portman: You speculated...and stated it as fact....you did the "DD" that indicates what you say is true.
You only want me to prove it because you can't back what you say up...
I have a track record of not lying here...Not sure you have the same.
My information is not only known to me here...several will know. I am not convincing you...just calling you out and I know you cannot prove it...because if you really DDed it you would verify my position.
...and don't think I don't know it....lol [/QB]
Ok Tut .... uh I mean Portman . Great responce to me making stuff up . Like I said , until you can provide me with some proof that I am wrong , I have nothing else to say to you and you should ignore me too .
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quote:Originally posted by portman: All the court would do is request the Noraty log and verify it was in order. The Notary can ONLY verify the proper ID was checked.
And that would prove the correct people did indeed sign these docs which would prove ownership to CSHD . The doc is a legal and binding contract between CSHD and the gov of Ven. . If the parties are who they say they are and this was proved in front of the NOT. . Case closed ........ but for some pesky reason its not and thats why I think the bonds are fake along with the NOT. page . The clerk only files what they are given , nothing more , nothing less .
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