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They need a miricle to keep the price above $15 after the reset. I know they don't want to do a price reset to then just have the price drop like a rock. I wonder if Rufus feels comfortable with the current price and it is in line with their plan.
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quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: This is from Iowa Cyclone, I am with Scot and Solomon Smith Barney....... ....... "Hey guys I just recieved an email back from Ben Nelson for Govenor Campaign. For those who arn't from the midwest Ben Nelson is running for Govenor in the state of Nebraska. His opponent is Pete Ricketts (One of the founders and owners of TDA).
Here is the email I got back.
Thank you for your email. We weren’t aware of this issue. Could you explain more of how this works? If I have this right, you are allowed to sell your stock in company X, but you are not allowed to repurchase stock in company X. Is that on the same day, same week, ever?
I look forward to hearing from you,
My plan of action at this point is to get Ben Nelson aware of this issue so that action can be taken. Knowing that the election for either side is very close Pete Rickett's might cut the crap and force TDA cover if he wants to avoid the bad press and win this election.
The fellow I talked with on the phone regarding this issue was very interested in the subject. I cannot provide names but if you want to call in Ben Nelson's campaign and provide them with more information then here is the number. Current TDA owners and former TDA owners give em hell! (402) 991-0363" I hope this helps someone.
Rufus' TDA PR and my "BIG PICTURE" link should be alllllll he needs!
quote:Originally posted by JHenry: They need a miricle to keep the price above $15 after the reset. I know they don't want to do a price reset to then just have the price drop like a rock. I wonder if Rufus feels comfortable with the current price and it is in line with their plan.
Agreed!!! Me thinks that they will let this build on its own by feeding the market with lots of PR...
That will alow an easier transition from the shorty term investors and longs...
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quote:Originally posted by JHenry: They need a miricle to keep the price above $15 after the reset. I know they don't want to do a price reset to then just have the price drop like a rock. I wonder if Rufus feels comfortable with the current price and it is in line with their plan.
The institutional investors are supposed to set buys at $15 according to Rufus, he PR'd those banks, big international one's!
Even if a selloff did drop it, the stock IS worth much more... So "if" Rufus can indeed keep the naked selling out with that Government document, then the market WILL adjust this up to where it should be over time.
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so who so far has requested their certs. I'm having a real problem seeing a reason why I would really need them. I don't think it would be that hard to find out who your shareholders are. As of right now I don't believe I'll be getting mine.
I'm going to get some, maybe not all as I can use some $$$, as far as why? Besides the HUGE naked short problem, this is what Rufus said:
- Says call for certificates if you really want to be sure. You have to request the certs in YOUR name, and check with the transfer agent that they are in fact held in your name.
- phone number for TA (don, who rufus says is very competent) is: 702-317-7757 Don Madallon
- if you want your name in the CSHD books, MAKE SURE they are not in street name, the way you do this is after you have shares in your account call your broker say you want them in YOUR name not street name contact TA make sure he has your name.
- "next thing you see from CSHD will be something no other company has done, and it will correct the naked short selling problem!"
***-if they don't have your name and address, they can't assign you a log-in and password, which is their new idea for the website. very innovative, get ready for this: REAL TIME FINANCIALS! wants to be first one ever, real time financials for CSHD!!! each shareholder gets own log-in linked to cert numbers, sign in on cvsu.us website and see REAL TIME FINANCIALS, says check deposited will instantly be able to be seen. FREE Level 2 quotes in addition.
If you're going to flip out right away, don't get certs... IMO ~
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I am leaning that way to Ryan...BUT I have a little concern for the comments that Rufus is saying about this big plan or what ever for this week..."nothing we've seen before"...that one comment has me wondering what is going on...AND...it is also too late for me to get my certs for when, what ever that is, happens... Not sure that even if I stay long will I get mine...we will see...I have gotten far more than 2000% of my original investment back from this... (kinda hard to figure the flips and all)...so I am very happy with the way this has played for me... To be honest...I really just want it over...so that i can put this away as an actual investment...or move on to other plays...time is getting closer...
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so who so far has requested their certs. I'm having a real problem seeing a reason why I would really need them. I don't think it would be that hard to find out who your shareholders are. As of right now I don't believe I'll be getting mine.
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no it was a literal question not a figurative one, but now that you mention it I think a few of us could very well be out to lunch myself included. The thing with the certs to me is it wouldn't be to hard for the company to find out how their shareholders are. I'm going to try and call Ben Stanley and the ta again. Does anyone have ben's cell number.
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Don't know if anyone has already posted this but it will explain the market for carbon credits and why it is profitable with the latest news.
Carbon emissions trading
Carbon emissions trading involves the trading of permits to emit carbon dioxide (and other greenhouse gases, calculated in tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, tCO2e). It is one of the ways countries can meet their obligations under the Kyoto Protocol to reduce carbon emissions and thereby mitigate global warming.
107 million metric tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (tCO2e) have been exchanged through projects in 2004, a 38% increase relative to 2003 (78 mtCO2e).[1]
The world's only mandatory carbon trading program is the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (or EUETS). Created in conjunction with the Kyoto Protocol, a 1997 international treaty that took effect in 2005, it caps the amount of carbon dioxide that can be emitted from large installations, such as power plants and factories, in the EU's 25 member countries. (AP)
Operation A country (or group of countries) caps its carbon emissions at a certain level (this is known as cap and trade) and then issues permits to firms and industries that grant the firm the right to emit a stated amount of carbon dioxide over a time period. Firms are then free to trade these credits in a free market. Firms whose emissions exceed the amount of credits they possess will be heavily penalised. The idea behind carbon trading is that firms that can reduce their emissions at a low cost will do so and then sell their credits on to firms that are unable to easily reduce emissions. A shortage of credits will drive up the price of credits and make it more profitable for firms to engage in carbon reduction. In this way the desired carbon reductions are met at the lowest cost possible to society.
Business opinion With the creation of a market for trading carbon dioxide emissions within the Kyoto Protocol, it is likely that London financial markets will be the centre for this potentially highly lucrative business; the New York and Chicago stock markets would like a share (which is unlikely as long as the US rejects Kyoto).[2] The European Union's European Union Greenhouse Gas Emission Trading Scheme (EU ETS) began operations on 1 January 2005.
23 multinational corporations have come together in the G8 Climate Change Roundtable, a business group formed at the January 2005 World Economic Forum. The group includes Ford, Toyota, British Airways and BP. On 9 June 2005 the Group published a statement stating that there was a need to act on climate change and stressing the importance of market-based solutions. It called on governments to establish "clear, transparent, and consistent price signals" through "creation of a long-term policy framework" that would include all major producers of greenhouse gases.
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hey chart about the certs. I was just thinking about this. If my shares are good with TDA everything shows that I have valid settled shares. The TA has ameritrade's name on the book and ameritrade has my name or account as the shareholder why wouldn't rufus and co. be able to get to me what ever they needed rather easily. I imagine this happens all the time with other companies having to get in touch with shareholders to send out proxy statements and such other things. I just don't think it should be that big a deal for them. Do you?
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: hey chart about the certs. I was just thinking about this. If my shares are good with TDA everything shows that I have valid settled shares. The TA has ameritrade's name on the book and ameritrade has my name or account as the shareholder why wouldn't rufus and co. be able to get to me what ever they needed rather easily. I imagine this happens all the time with other companies having to get in touch with shareholders to send out proxy statements and such other things. I just don't think it should be that big a deal for them. Do you?
Ryan, you are missing the point. if TDA is telling the TA they have 19.9 million shares, and the TA is telling TDA that they have 3.3 million shares. Then there is going to be a problem when TDA goes to sell anything over 3.3 million shares. There are links on the previous thread that detail a situation where TDA stopped trading on a stock, and gave customers an amount of time before they liquidated their holdings at cost not value. Protection is protection... some people do not want to have any problems proving ownership of their shares, so they are getting some or all certs. This way the brokerage and their problems are removed and you are talking directly to the TA in regards to your shares of the comapany.
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I can't wait to get off the OTC. This is a freaking joke!! Huge news and we are RED. UNREAL! I can't wait to see them screw all the crooks in this deal!
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 182 Quote: Originally Posted by mojo2003 heres what I need clarification on. Stocks normally trade above BV(usually 2x or more than BV) correct? And assuming that CSHD has full ownership of these bonds, then the BV should be much higher like 5x the $15 reset. So why are we still having a $15 reset?! Not complaining. Just doesnt make sense. I just thought we could eliminate market manipulation by destroying them with a fair value reset price.
This from my previous posts may explain your question:
There could also be good reasons to begin the price reset at a not too "unrealistically" high price. Technical reasons which would make it easier to get to NASDAQ without too may questions and easier acceptance by regulatory bodies of an "acceptable" price reset. Easier acceptance for institututional buyers to step in and that in turn would continue to drive up share prices farther and continue to support the upward movement. This in turn would also force shorts to continue to push prices higher as they begin to cover because of the continued climb. It would technically be very possible to see the pps even climb to $50 or higher even in the first few hours of trading. The continued climb based on the valuation of the company and continued growth could see a sustained climb over days, weeks and longer.
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I keep hearing people say that Rufus said in one of the interviews that the log deal was a dead issue. I've listened to EVERY interview and he NEVER said that. He said they weren't sure if it was worth pursuing at the time. They may have received info. that made them change their mind.
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Getting the certificates is not a fun thing. Brokerages make it difficult on purpose because they can keep your shares in a pool that they use to borrow against. ETrade web site told me today it will be 4-6 weeks for delivery, and once you have them, you have to deposit them back into your account if you want to trade them. Unless you are holding a considerable amount of time. Which is not done very often on the OTCBB since the securities are most often very volitile. I have certs in Disney, Coca-Cola, and a few others which suit me just fine. I do not trade them very often and it allows me added benefits with the company. (Especially Disney Talk about V.I.P. service when you go to one of their resorts.)
Anyway, make your own decision. It drastically slows down your ability to move quickly in the market, but if you are truely long this does not make much of a difference.
FYI I am getting 80% of mine in certs, I decided a while ago that this amount was sufficient.
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 182 I don't know if anyone has already posted this but it will explain the market for carbon credits and why it is profitable with the latest news.
Carbon emissions trading
Carbon emissions trading involves the trading of permits to emit carbon dioxide (and other greenhouse gases, calculated in tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, tCO2e). It is one of the ways countries can meet their obligations under the Kyoto Protocol to reduce carbon emissions and thereby mitigate global warming.
107 million metric tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (tCO2e) have been exchanged through projects in 2004, a 38% increase relative to 2003 (78 mtCO2e).[1]
The world's only mandatory carbon trading program is the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (or EUETS). Created in conjunction with the Kyoto Protocol, a 1997 international treaty that took effect in 2005, it caps the amount of carbon dioxide that can be emitted from large installations, such as power plants and factories, in the EU's 25 member countries. (AP)
Operation A country (or group of countries) caps its carbon emissions at a certain level (this is known as cap and trade) and then issues permits to firms and industries that grant the firm the right to emit a stated amount of carbon dioxide over a time period. Firms are then free to trade these credits in a free market. Firms whose emissions exceed the amount of credits they possess will be heavily penalised. The idea behind carbon trading is that firms that can reduce their emissions at a low cost will do so and then sell their credits on to firms that are unable to easily reduce emissions. A shortage of credits will drive up the price of credits and make it more profitable for firms to engage in carbon reduction. In this way the desired carbon reductions are met at the lowest cost possible to society.
Business opinion With the creation of a market for trading carbon dioxide emissions within the Kyoto Protocol, it is likely that London financial markets will be the centre for this potentially highly lucrative business; the New York and Chicago stock markets would like a share (which is unlikely as long as the US rejects Kyoto).[2] The European Union's European Union Greenhouse Gas Emission Trading Scheme (EU ETS) began operations on 1 January 2005.
23 multinational corporations have come together in the G8 Climate Change Roundtable, a business group formed at the January 2005 World Economic Forum. The group includes Ford, Toyota, British Airways and BP. On 9 June 2005 the Group published a statement stating that there was a need to act on climate change and stressing the importance of market-based solutions. It called on governments to establish "clear, transparent, and consistent price signals" through "creation of a long-term policy framework" that would include all major producers of greenhouse gases.
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I agree we should be up and yesterday's new was great - however I think the reason we aren't up it that it says...
"We have begun negotiating with Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD) for the management of our assets to make the most of this opportunity.
I think "begun negotiating" is NOT solid enough news to see much of a pps incrase due to all the other "stuff" going on with this stock. Just my opinion.
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quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: I agree we should be up and yesterday's new was great - however I think the reason we aren't up it that it says...
"We have begun negotiating with Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD) for the management of our assets to make the most of this opportunity.
I think "begun negotiating" is NOT solid enough news to see much of a pps incrase due to all the other "stuff" going on with this stock. Just my opinion.
Well since the ex CEO of FHAL is the new CEO of Ecowood, and still has a very large position in CSHD, I think it is pretty obvious that it's a GO! JMO
quote:Originally posted by cassity: I keep hearing people say that Rufus said in one of the interviews that the log deal was a dead issue. I've listened to EVERY interview and he NEVER said that. He said they weren't sure if it was worth pursuing at the time. They may have received info. that made them change their mind.
cass if you look at one of my earlier posts when this was still fhal... so, the first thread i believe... after i got off the phone with rufas he stated they weren't dropping it, they were still pursuing, just taking a different avenue. now when that PR was released and i read it. i actually laughed out loud. it was ironic that i heard him say that and then come to find out that mike just flat out bought it:D hilarious IMO
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But "Big Money's" money is on the line here, what's that saying?... "What can go wrong will go wrong..."
All I know is in this all Rufus has been a straight shooter, if he said something he lived up to it or we got a PR or a visit on a message board.
We KNOW ther're air shares out there, NOBO/SHO list. Tons of people have these, maybe even you and me! When the hammer falls who will end up with them? It would be like standing in the lunch line, you HAVE a lunch ticket, but by the time you get to the food they are out of plates. Then what? Law suits? SOMEONE will have to pay these people their money. Who will that be???? How will they decide who gets them? How long will that take?
If you're going to just flip out after reset I would think you'll be ok.
This company isn't going back to pennyland, the only way that could happen would be by Naked Shortening it to death, and Rufus is on top of that already with that Gov docum he's waiting for.
"Something the market has never seen before"
Heck, I've ALREADY seen that!!! LOL ~ So I believe Him. MO ~
If you want to flip out, you may be ok, if you want a longer haul, then get certs, or maybe a 50/50 thing.
It really is a personal choice, there is no one right answer, "but" there IS a reasonable cencern here.
The simple math as I see it is... With some penny players even going LONG long, and institutional investors going long and not that many shares out there, combined with the fact that Rufus is doing something so his company won't be shorted against tells me it won't be long at all before this thing does adjust itself to a very healthy level of trading.
There are PLENTY of people out there who would buy this at $15 a share! Did you know this morning that BRK/A opened on a GAP UP?!!! It's trading at $97,740.00 per share!!! There were people who couldn't wait to buy in today, so the "$15 is too expensive" debate doesn't hold water with me!!!
If there is ""VALUE"" people will buy it! IMO ~
Now maybe $20,000.00 a share is dreaming or maybe in 10 years Rufus will do it. BUT I think ANYONE could see this thing trading at $100 in the near future without it getting naked shorted, and institutional investors grabbing shares, and with investors KNOWING what they have and a low float I think means $$$ in the long run. Rufus doesn't sell yo-yo's, he does bonds, BILLION dollar bonds!
IMO, buyers of this stock AFTER the reset, will HOLD and the price will climb. So for the reason of going longer then reset I would get certs, the only reason for NOT getting them is if you are going to flip out after reset, I think you'll be ok so far from what I've seen and read if you looking to sell right away.
Something to think about, this isn't a Penny stock IMO.
Just watch your butt, cause Big Money don't give a damn about you... Sad but true ~
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So those of you who are getting certs...where are you going to keep them? I was looking into getting 80% or so of mine and put them in our safe deposit box. I was worried about insurance on them though and found that most banks carry little to no insurance on safe deposit box contents. The only thing I could find was to add a policy to your homeowners, but it seemed like it would be mighty expensive if you insured the certs for what I'm hoping they will be worth.
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