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"continue on in your search,if you must...but remember,my son, i am here, for you,in your time of need..."
My friend, blessings on your path. You have nothing I am searching for. We can share the journey but your display of anger at the beginning of our conversation is all I need to see of Baba. You will no doubt reciprocate that sentiment because you really misunderstand me. But again our worldviews take us in different directions.
-------------------- God's peace be with you A salaam a lakum Shalom Chevarim Posts: 896 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jul 2006
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This course of action will not work Jordan. The "Let's get the preacher mad and than he'll blow his lid and leave in shame" plan just won't cut it. It's failed when tried in the past' it has failed when attempted here. Did you guys honestly think that this course of action was not telegraphed and anticipated? Why do you keep backing up than charging forward head first into the same wall? He isn't going to get mad. And he isn't going to leave here.
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"baba is, and was, also a fraud...i studied with him and found the truth.."
thank you for saying what I would not say to a person of faith. I will not destroy a person's faith because in the end I know God's grace will save those who seek, even when they aren't exposed to God's full revelation.
You see what Baba could not be for you, Jesus is for all. Believe or reject, the choice is yours. Rest well tonight
-------------------- God's peace be with you A salaam a lakum Shalom Chevarim Posts: 896 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jul 2006
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Jordan, I am sorry you got taken in by a fraud like Baba, but that is what happens when you follow new age trends. That's not God's fault. That's why you need a faith community to grow in. Those new age religions always fail you because they are self-centered. Christianity is about getting the center of gravity outside of yourself. Only there can you find the truth, within the inner Trinitarian relationship. I did notice you had difficulty with "perichoretic." it is possible I mis-spelled it. Perichoretic coactivity is the human approximate description of the ontology and oikonomia (activity) of the three persons of the Trinity. Three persons held together/grounded in love, and coactive in every activity of grace.
As in the Trinity, our being is defined and shaped in part by the relationships we live. That is why Christianity says we must form communities of nurture and support. Thus the hope for the nation is found in the religious left confronting the religious right in the public square. The concern for the least, lost and lonely is inadequately expressed in the church, but it is the best of all people-populated institutions to deal with the hurting people of the world in love.
I have to say I find it amazing that you try to tell me what I can talk about on a thread I set up for discussion. In an Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk, my impression is that we can post and talk about anything we want, post a topic of discussion on any topic except stocks.
Over the last week I post on four topics that I presented. I post on one other topic about Israel because I have connections there. I largely stay to my own threads, as an apolitical voice, because there is a strong sentiment on the other threads and I respect the other posters' opinions enough to leave them alone for the most part, though this has only been in the last week or so.
Do I tell anyone what they can post as a topic? No. Do I tell anyone what they can say in their created threads? No. Do I argue vigorously and defend strongly my convictions within my own posted threads? Absolutely. Is that what I expect from those who disagree? Absolutely. That has been my approach in the last week or so. My point being, if you so dislike what I post, if seeing a sermon posted offends you, there are dozens of other threads to go to where you might be happier. If you come into the threads I have generated, I expect we will both challenge each other and that's fine too.
The purpose here is to have fun, to divert ourselves from stresses and to exchange ideas. That's why I came here and I hope you do as well. If we are getting upset then we are taking this off-topic e-forum too seriously.
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This course of action will not work Jordan. The "Let's get the preacher mad and than he'll blow his lid and leave in shame" plan just won't cut it. It's failed when tried in the past' it has failed when attempted here. Did you guys honestly think that this course of action was not telegraphed and anticipated? Why do you keep backing up than charging forward head first into the same wall? He isn't going to get mad. And he isn't going to leave here.
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Really? They make medication that blots out racial slurs, name calling, decapitation videos, vulgar pm's and Bdgee's constant screeching? Wow must be strong stuff.
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Both those guys are drunk on Rushlove and Bushworship. No actual narcotic can overcome the brainless bliss they revel in. And that koolaid so refreshes them!
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Glassman- you are still hanging on to your hollow claim that my brother is a Rovite? Wow and you pride yourself on your research skills? Bdgee, well his screech will never change, and I've come to accept that. He just has a blanket response to anyone who disagrees with him. I believe you are smart enough to make a more accurate assesment. Couple pages back he said Bush was wrong to not support going into Ruwanda. Did Rove make him say that?
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Griffon said- "Bush lost me over the war, the Democratic leadership giving in to genocide drove me away from them. But really it's been a long time coming. The Dems are not the same party of human rights concerns they were under Kennedy, Johnson and Carter. See Glass, I think a president like Carter could have found a way to get Saddam to step down into exile given the chance. Bush could never do that, would never have wanted to do that. Carter would never have created GITMO."
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Griffon said note the date- posted July 19, 2006 11:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm certainly no fan of Rove, but someone was a mastermind in that campaign. The guy could sell ice cubes to an eskimo or barbeque a meerkat and win.
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So, one characteristic of being a Rovite is the willingness to lie.
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"Issues like education, welfare, workfare, health care, ethnic cleansing, free markets, etc. would be a refreshing change. I would add global warming but there may not be much we can do."
More Rovisms?
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I believe you are smart enough to make a more accurate assesment. Couple pages back he said Bush was wrong to not support going into Ruwanda. Did Rove make him say that?
am i?
yuor brother and i disagree cuz i am a real republican who is pi$$ed that my party has gone haywire..
does that sound familiar?
i told you before? i voted for the guy that said we have no busines going into other countries and messing with their politics and shoooting their people..
nothing ever comes out the way you expect....
call me a control freak? is it a numbers game?
if i kill one child to save 50? am i good? i still killed.. Thou Shalt Not Kill.... period...
not OK, kill one to save three... none. nada... NOT!
this is old stuff..... it's even in the old testament...
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"Thus far, neither of you has deviated even an iota therefrom."
Let me translate for you bro, bdgee has no substance and he is a one trick debater: hate Bush. If you speak about anything else, you are "off topic." Oops isn't that what this board is titled?
And since the topic we are talking about in this thread (nice segue isn;t it?) is the Religious Left as the hope of the country:
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"we've pointed out to you over and over again that faith isn't religion.."
You appear to attack both Glass.
"you are learning, but it's just learning new ways to attack..."
Untrue, I never do attack. See, this sounds to me like transference. You assume other people exhibit the same tendencies you manifest. You all attack right? You run people off and boast about that, I think it was Art and Aragorn? So you expect the same kind of behavior in me. You expect me to get mad at the same taunts and such. Well, you rode the Bush debate quote all afternoon yesterday, which was a non-issue to the thread, and then when I commented that Bush is wrong too, it all stopped. I'm inferring that was not anticipated.
But the real fun one was last night. When Jordan went off on how mad I was and the little Baba thing I was remembering the very first thing he said to me:
"Oh you're religious, you have no credibility with me now." Followed up with a comment about my struggle with addiction.
Rather a give away how he was going to approach things. Remember when you said I am at times condescending and patronizing, you saw that side of me last night, when you were expecting me to get angry I was having a ball. You often misunderstand me. My small contribution to this board is to offer balance and fun, reasoned debate. Have I not accomplished that?
"you changed from religion to faith after i showed you the error of your earlier statemnts..."
Nope, religion and faith are inseparable. I made no error, you are reaching now. I often change between those words.
But let's look at yesterday. In order to justify the poor choice of words bdgee made, you defended the use of a de-humanizing racial slur. You defended the actions of a president who obeyed popularity contests rather than doing the right thing, even after he admits it was "the biggest mistake of my presidency." One of you maintains religion should not be in the public square. And then you call me facist or liberal depending on the post. In the midst of which I was painting, eating, writing a song, attending the closing of VBS. I felt no animosity toward you, no need to attack. This is a fun diversion for me.
-------------------- God's peace be with you A salaam a lakum Shalom Chevarim Posts: 896 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jul 2006
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I think that most people make decisions about religion based solely on faith, as well as their upbringing. People are taught what religion is right from their parents, they have faith in their parents advice so that forms the root of religious beliefs. The entire religious system in my opinion is faith based and essentially defies logic since many of religions claims can not be reinforced with fact. Having had religion crammed down my throat for the first 16 years of my life I have a natural distain for the stuff, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. Facinating reading by the way. Since I have somewhat of a philosophy background I have seen this topic and simalar topics hashed and rehashed hundreds of times. If you are so inclined look up the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche, Soren Kierkegaard, and Heraclitus, there is some interesting reading also.
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"If you are so inclined look up the philosophies of Friedrich Nietzsche, Soren Kierkegaard, and Heraclitus, there is some interesting reading also."
Good selection Cotton. I disagree with you about religion, but I know the church has failed many people in the way you mention; it is a free country and I wish you well.
-------------------- God's peace be with you A salaam a lakum Shalom Chevarim Posts: 896 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jul 2006
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A group of progressive Christians in the US have launched a new political movement to counter what they describe as the power of the religious right. The Christian Alliance for Progress aims to "reclaim Christianity" and influence the political agenda.
"We can no longer stand by and watch people speak hatred, division, war and greed in the name of our faith," said Patrick Mrotek, the Alliance's founder.
The body joins other liberal religious groups formed around the 2004 election."
Another group joins the political fray
-------------------- God's peace be with you A salaam a lakum Shalom Chevarim Posts: 896 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jul 2006
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See, he's too ignorant to even realize what a slam he has just been awarded and too arrogant and dumb to go find out.
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"See, he's too ignorant to even realize what a slam he has just been awarded and too arrogant and dumb to go find out."
Broken record from bdgee. Whining by bdgee. What he's trying to say is: "Griffon caught me on the racist language. Griffon proved Clinton allowed Rwandans and Sudanese people die. It's been a bad week for bdgee. Better show some intolerance for Griffon's ideas."
bdgee doesn't realize that I am on the Religious Left, I repudiate the Religious right, but bdgee can't see past the "religious" label as he defines it.
-------------------- God's peace be with you A salaam a lakum Shalom Chevarim Posts: 896 | From: Iowa | Registered: Jul 2006
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Or are you really that simple minded and you believe that bull, so it isn't a lie, just wrong?
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"Or are you really that simple minded and you believe that bull, so it isn't a lie, just wrong? "
Translation: "Bdgee no want religious people in his neighborhood. Bdgee no want religious people in the Democratic Party. Bdgee is religio-phobe who would leave the Democrats if they welcome religious people in."
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