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Gordon Bennett
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Lean Not Unto Thy Own Understanding..

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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a
little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benjamin Franklin

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Boy did you guys pick the wrong fight here.

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Thanks Matto. Thanks Juice.

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exactly right, you get the point of perichoretic co-activity. We are connected, as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 12. You are beginning to see my point evolution as an aspect of God's creation; Superstring theory is cosmic-ally true. We are connected that ontological description of personhood.

when i said everything? i meant EVERYTHING.......
not just people....

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perichoretic co-activity


I'm lost...ok,how many people know what that means,out of context?

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No results found for "perichor..."


We didn't find a match on "perichoretic," but we found the following alternate spellings for you. Click one to continue your search.

periphrastic

perichoretic".

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it is a trinity thing.... the mystery of how Christ can be his own father.....

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"Wherever two or more are gathered in my name I am with you."

What you can't seem to comprehend (well, one of them) is that we didn't gather here "in my name".

THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR PREACHING.

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This is a big problem with the Christo-fascists. [Big Grin]

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the thing is? there are much older symbols communicating the same idea and even more...

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this ALSO represents Trinity...

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the way the preists managed to make it male to male is wierd tho...... bizzarre even...

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quote:
Originally posted by Johnwayne:
Boy did you guys pick the wrong fight here.

Cheerleader [Razz]
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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
This is a big problem with the Christo-fascists. [Big Grin]

Is the word Christo-fascists a new creation of yours G? lol
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"Cheerleader"????

Is that meant to be a comparison to dubya? Dubya's greatest achievement, ya know. Man, JW will like that. Anything dubya-esque is a perfect for his ego.

Or were you meaning to point to the tendency of that pair to out number anyone thay can't handle intellectually?

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Yep. I figure since the Rovebrationists make up words for their Bushtivals, why can't I? LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Leo:
Is the word Christo-fascists a new creation of yours G? lol



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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
"Cheerleader"????

Is that meant to be a comparison to dubya? Dubya's greatest achievement, ya know. Man, JW will like that. Anything dubya-esque is a perfect for his ego.

Or were you meaning to point to the tendency of that pair to out number anyone thay can't handle intellectually?

A little from column A, a little from column B,lol.
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good one GB!
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"THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR PREACHING."

Off topic, open forum and free speech (first amendment). Bdgee, I should think you as a teacher should work to contextualize. You presume preaching where there is mere conversation. Tell me then, was Glass preaching when he quoted the sacred text?

What it's not a place for is racist, ethnic slurs like you posted in the Clinton's Vietnam service thread as I mentioned above.

It's okay guys, with every post you demonstrate what I have argued all along. You don't like religion, but God's prevenient grace calls to you, reveals that there is truth in Christianity, in the person of Jesus Christ and through the presence of the Holy Spirit. That prevenient grace convicts you and because of that conviction, you are drawn like a moth to the flame. You cannot just stay away from a Christian you disagree with, you have to denounce the religion. Why? Because if it is true then you have a decision to make.

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Gordon,

Did you formally and properly submit a request to do that with Griffon?

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denouncing religion is not the same as denouncing faith....

sorry, i know it's your paycheck and all that, but....

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Glassman, that's right. It seems so simple.

denouncing religion is not the same as denouncing faith... denouncing Bush is not the same as denouncing America, etc., etc., etc.


Bdgee, the paperwork has been filed and I expect the appropriate long-winded response to be forthcoming.

[Big Grin]

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What you NEED to be noticing is that we aren't terribly impressed with your claim to superiority and your claim to honesty can only be awarded a grade of "D" (for effort, not content) if you actually are so screwed up in the head that you believe that line you put out.

All you really have is personal bias. You don't know much about religion, in general, and your depth in Methodism is questionable (assuming once again you are telling us what you actually believe).

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Now you're just baiting because the argument is unassailable. Let me ask you: why did you use a racial epithet?

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Bdgee, don't let the Christofascists get you down.

quote:
Originally posted by Griffon:
Now you're just baiting because the argument is unassailable. Let me ask you: why did you use a racial epithet?



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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
Bdgee, don't let the Christofascists get you down.

quote:
Originally posted by Griffon:
Now you're just baiting because the argument is unassailable. Let me ask you: why did you use a racial epithet?


Hahahahahaha
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It's funny, that this is the point we should be discussing:

http://www.alternet.org/sms/23725/

"The last time U.S. progressives won, people of faith were at the center of the movement -- not stuck in its closet."

Here I am:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left

"The Christian Left or Religious Left are terms used to describe those who hold a strong Christian belief and share left-wing, liberal, or socialist ideals."

"Many such people assert that their left-wing views derive directly from their Christian faith, and some cite Jesus as "the first socialist".

I am among them that agrees with this statement.

John Wesley was a Tory during the Revolutionary War, he was instrumental in leading the charge that eventually toppled slavery in England. Good Anglican Priest involved in The Great Awakenings. Now we're on the cusp of another. Children will be fed, housed and safe from predators. People will have jobs and medicine. It will be great. Something the Democratic Party couldn't do without us.

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A salaam a lakum
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Religion + Politics = Fascism

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little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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saying W*etb*ack = what Bdgee?

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Atheism+politics=Holocaust

Atheism+politics=ethnic cleansing

Atheism+politics in the USSR= 60+ million people dying under Stalin

Lets face it GB, not word one about racial slurs by a Democratic friend, but lies about religious people. You can't refute what I am posting so you try to be as that Bill O'Reilly character says: "Pithy." Atheism has done a far more monstrous job of killing in one century than religion has in all of human history. No disease has killed as many people in all of history as atheists killed in one century. Rest well with that track record.

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A salaam a lakum
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley

Here's a fine example, the founder of Methodism, of what political activism of Christians accomplishes. You can see why the military-industrial complex does not endorse religion.

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bdgee mentioned I know nothing about religion or Methodism. Let me clear the air:

Comparative Orders of Salvation

Roman Catholic Justification at the end of life
Sanctification
Baptism
Practice of the Sacraments makes one more holy and you cannot be be declared just without being just. Thus you must be holy in order to be justified at the end of life.

Lutheran Justification is an umbrella covering our sin


Faith Sanctification
Some see little need to make progress because already justified

Reformed
Sanctified

Justification/sanctification
As a procession that demonstrates you are elect

Faith
If you are Pre-destined you will grow

John Wesley’s understanding of the Order of Salvation
Glorification leads to the New Creation
Perfecting grace leads to love for God and neighbor
Sanctifying grace leads to Assurance
Justifying grace leads to Regeneration
Convicting grace leads to Repentance
Prevenient Grace
Participation in the means of grace puts us in the practices where God has promised to meet us for the on-going work God has promised to effect in us. We do not grow more holy because we practice, we grow more holy because of the holy God’s promise to work in us through: sacraments, prayer, scripture study, worship, silence, solitude, fasting, Christian conferencing, service etc.

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quote:
Originally posted by Johnwayne:
saying W*etb*ack = what Bdgee?

you know what?

last i checked? it denoted someone who entered our country illegally, and should be shown the way back to their own HOME...
racism? not mentioned....

you freakish leftwingers want to throw down the borders and give everything away to anybody who comes knocking...

it's OK to give it all away as long as YOU didn't have to work for it...

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That's racism plain and simple in Iowa Glass. To call someone a racial epithet that is derogatory and racist. Obviously racism doesn't have a party does it. Dems using that ethno-phobic language; another reason I left, or rather departed.

So now my brother's a left-winger, that should comfort you because now you have my brother as a colleague in the Democratic camp. Really, Glass first he's a Republican, then he's a Fascist and now he's a left-winger. Pick one and stick with it.

WB is hate speech in Iowa, Glass. It's again not about political party here, it's about people of one ethnicity denigrating another ethnic group. And as I work with Latinos at various stages in the immigration process, I assume I have moved from fascist to liberal in a few short hours. Please elaborate on how that transition happened so fast.

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various stages? yeah? well illegal is illegal...

if a white Mexican did it would the white Mexican be a wet-back? yes...

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griffon..dude..please


go preach to your adoring flock...

your rhetoric is boring , repetitive, and
so,so, holier then thou..

do you have ANYone who really listens to you?..


you preach this endless ,cult, fanatisism...

once you start to understand that there is no god, no heaven, no hell, no satan,,no consequences, you will be truly free...

only if you really believe...then this can happen..
open your mind...seek wisdom within yourself...

you will find it...dont settle for your common.mundane, belief system..


you stopped searching too soon and settled for your comfortable belief... you are a lost boy

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"various stages? yeah? well illegal is illegal...
if a white Mexican did it would the white Mexican be a wet-back? yes..."

That person would not be a Latino and No that person would not be. Bdgee used that term as a racial slur. That's what the term is. Trying to make that language look nice is about as effective as pouring perfume on a pig. It ain't going to change the fact that the pig and that word wallow around in the mud and stink. Dress it up all you like, it's still racism.

"various stages? yeah? well illegal is illegal..."

Shows how little you know about the immigration system. But you know what I work to bring lots of people in every year, legally and free of charge. Good Christian folks working to bring immigrants into this country legally and free. Check out JFON and learn about the immigration process.

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A salaam a lakum
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