"Israel has justified the carnage by pointing to the 2 soldiers who were captured by members of the Lebanese resistance organization, Hezbollah. But Israel’s defense is hopelessly flawed.
What if relatives or friends of the many US detainees who’ve been illegally imprisoned at Guantanamo, decided to use F-16s and laser-guided missiles to attack the Golden Gate Bridge, the Sears Tower, New York City’s electrical grid, and vast swathes of the highway system? Would that be equally justifiable? Or, more to the point, what if Hezbollah decided to blow up major parts of Israel’s infrastructure in retaliation for the hundreds of Lebanese prisoners languishing in Israeli prisons without any legal recourse? Would that be okay?"
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: you know? i've read that a couple times now, and i'm still not sure if it's an anti-semitic statement or not
Confused Glass? Why? Not anti-semitic at all. Just anti-Gordon. A man who initially states he's jewish to prove a point and then needs to qualify his 1/2 jewishness. I'm 100% jewish and have no problem making that statement. Mind telling me what appears anti-semitic to you. The jewish joke? lol
Gordon, you calling me a moron doesn't even rank as an insult from a pseudo high brow liberal such as yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: I found this to be an interesting point.
"Israel has justified the carnage by pointing to the 2 soldiers who were captured by members of the Lebanese resistance organization, Hezbollah. But Israel’s defense is hopelessly flawed.
What if relatives or friends of the many US detainees who’ve been illegally imprisoned at Guantanamo, decided to use F-16s and laser-guided missiles to attack the Golden Gate Bridge, the Sears Tower, New York City’s electrical grid, and vast swathes of the highway system? Would that be equally justifiable? Or, more to the point, what if Hezbollah decided to blow up major parts of Israel’s infrastructure in retaliation for the hundreds of Lebanese prisoners languishing in Israeli prisons without any legal recourse? Would that be okay?"
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: I found this to be an interesting point.
"Israel has justified the carnage by pointing to the 2 soldiers who were captured by members of the Lebanese resistance organization, Hezbollah. But Israel’s defense is hopelessly flawed.
What if relatives or friends of the many US detainees who’ve been illegally imprisoned at Guantanamo, decided to use F-16s and laser-guided missiles to attack the Golden Gate Bridge, the Sears Tower, New York City’s electrical grid, and vast swathes of the highway system? Would that be equally justifiable? Or, more to the point, what if Hezbollah decided to blow up major parts of Israel’s infrastructure in retaliation for the hundreds of Lebanese prisoners languishing in Israeli prisons without any legal recourse? Would that be okay?"
What happened to the eight soldiers killed and 70 rockets fired into a civilian town?
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: Not justifiable either, MagicK. Two wrongs don't make a ____.
(Ten points for the correct answer.)
C'mon man, even you have to know how stupid that sounds. There just supposed to sit there with rockets flying into their homes? No cause for alarm ladies and gents, just those pesky Lebanese acting up again. Nothing to see here, as you were.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: Not justifiable either, MagicK. Two wrongs don't make a ____.
(Ten points for the correct answer.)
C'mon man, even you have to know how stupid that sounds. There just supposed to sit there with rockets flying into their homes? No cause for alarm ladies and gents, just those pesky Lebanese acting up again. Nothing to see here, as you were.
MagicK, I just think he's been smoking some really bad weed. No one can possibly say these things and not have an altered mental status.
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Speaking of really bad weed, how much of it do you think is packed into Bush's head? It must be fighting with the cocaine for air!
quote:Originally posted by Sunnyside: MagicK, I just think he's been smoking some really bad weed. No one can possibly say these things and not have an altered mental status.
-------------------- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: Speaking of really bad weed, how much of it do you think is packed into Bush's head? It must be fighting with the cocaine for air!
quote:Originally posted by Sunnyside: MagicK, I just think he's been smoking some really bad weed. No one can possibly say these things and not have an altered mental status.
Ok Gordon, you got me there. Couldn't agree more. lol
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While army continues to strike Hizbullah, limit its weapons resources, outside groups trying to rearm group. IAF manages to bomb trucks transporting missiles from Syria. IDF Maj.-Gen. Eisenkot: These rockets belong to Syrian army
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Why is the US. dragging its feet in getting out American families in these combat areas? There must be a lot more to it than meets the eye, must be some political reason.
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It's a sad day when "people of the Book" fight each other. But then it's a sad day when children around the world are dying of hunger at the rate of 32,000 a day. Or when Sudanese people are left to die because we just don't care enough. Or when thousands die in yet another Tsunami. I weep for Palestinian, Israeli, Lebanese children who know too much violence, killing and being killed until violence and death is all they know. Will we, the whole human family, ever repent of our hatreds? Will we ever look into the eyes of our enemies and see people of sacred worth?
How many Rachel Cori's must step in front of bull-dozers to stop the brutality of settlement construction? How many children in Ramallah, Palestinian Authority must play near vats of oil where rats are cooked so they have something to eat? How many Arab Israeli children must find a victim of ethnic cleansing half buried in the dirt around Gish, the remains of nearly 60 years ago? How many Israelis must endure months and months of rockets fired over their heads and landing in their kitchens? How many refugees are forever scarred by the massacres at Sabra and Shatila? Will the cedars of Lebanon ever grow tall again?
My friends as I field more and more emails from friends in Lebanon, Palestine and Israel, some pleading for someone to hear their story, fearing their final hour is near, I know the people in that whole region are suffering. My question to you: can we love them enough, Muslim, Druze, Jew and Christian, to fight to preserve their humanity? Can we struggle with them to pull them back from the abyss? How I long to stand as a human barrier, unarmed but for the faith I carry, to keep fighting foes apart til the wounds scab over and some healing begins. Please people of faith, sisters and brothers all, join me in striving to find a path out of the madness. Others in your own ways, please do likewise.
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Somebody or something is stealing and or deleting my posts!!!! Whole pages of exhanges between RD and myself are missing....
Someone wanted to review the humorous exchange about me spectacal, periscope troops falling from the sky and missles coming at the two of us..RD was the straight man and we just let lose a bit..People on the home front were laughing their arses off..
Congreedess may here about this if we see it used somewhere... Who is zapping me posts?? and pages of extremely intelligouants DDt's anywho's" hmm just tell me's that! huh
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quote:My friends as I field more and more emails from friends in Lebanon, Palestine and Israel, some pleading for someone to hear their story, fearing their final hour is near, I know the people in that whole region are suffering. My question to you: can we love them enough, Muslim, Druze, Jew and Christian, to fight to preserve their humanity? Can we struggle with them to pull them back from the abyss? How I long to stand as a human barrier, unarmed but for the faith I carry, to keep fighting foes apart til the wounds scab over and some healing begins. Please people of faith, sisters and brothers all, join me in striving to find a path out of the madness. Others in your own ways, please do likewise.
you have my personal invitation to go stand on the border of Lebanon and Israel right now...
the terrorists must stop ...
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Agreed glassman, terrorism on both sides must stop. For that to happen the excesses of both sides must be recognized. The mistakes of 1947-8 when the fledgling UN failed to serve either people need to be acknowledged.
There are better peace programs that exist now and conscientious people need to act before this spreads.
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hezbolah is the fist of iran... the iranians are looking at the culmination of a 15 year plan... they were at war with sadam (unni) and we stepped in and finished it for THEM...
you think you can just step in and "make it all better"? this mess is not of our making.... we have made it worse
osambinalivetoolong? he just wants the crown of Saud... he has been trying to get US to help him
taliban translates religious students... think about it..
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My friend, you are looking at the situation at this moment as though it has been forever. The Iranians, first of all have not had a 15 year plan, but they are going to acquire nukes. Saddy's scientists are helping.
This mess is our making through colonialism and cold war.
Hezbollah was made by the 1948 decision that did so much damage to Arab and Israeli.
Read Ilan Pappe, Elias Chacour, David Grossman, Eduard Said, Marc Ellis and you will find the best explanation of the root causes of instability, the growth of Hezbollah and Fatah.
For instance, Hezbollah grew out of the Masscres at Sabra and Shatila, but that's getting ahead of myself. Let me give you a timeline that refers to Iraq:
Now while the last timeline only goes back to 1917 and the Balfour declaration, despite the popular idea that this has gone on since Isaac and Ishmael, the real tensions only really began around 1850. Palestinian national identity coalesced a century before that as the Ottoman Empire restructured.
As for Hezbollah (which does not mean Fist of Iran, it means "party of God" hez-bo-llah
We stepped in to finish Saddy off and Iran was found out for doing what it has long attempted with Russian help: fissile material. The purpose is to target Israel with whom they are at war, and the US, whom they view as the Great Satan.
Bin Laden wants more than the Saud crown, he wants a global state under his rule or a global ash heap.
The Pakistani weapon has little to do with this as Pakistani weapons are pointed South, not West. The dynamic between Sunni and Shia is not as severe as you imagine. It is being manipulated by Sunni who realize the US successful removal of Sady puts them out of the thuggery business.
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"The Pakistani bomb is a Sunni bomb. Tehran is hell-bent on having a Shi'a bomb to counter it. Sauds are comprised of mostly Sunni's"
The above is a common misconception. Iran's seeking the bomb primarily to finish Israel off and to defend against the coalition. Pakistan is more occupied with the Hindu Bomb and Kashmir.
It will intensify between Pakistan and India too because if I heard correctly (I collect rocks and minerals) some HUGE wealth in mineral stores has been discovered in parts of Kashmire. Some claim pegmatites that will rival Minas Gerais, Brazil as a gemstone capitol. Others also suggest there may be oil but I do not know if that has really been found.
The Shi'a and Sunni will not exchange nuke blasts until they have dealt with those threats. The Sunni in Pakistan are closer to Iran than you think. The populace supports Iran because they see the bomb as a Muslim bomb that will be used against the West. Musharaff will not live forever and when it falls, Pakistan will ally with Iran and the remnants of the Taliban. The tie that will make this possible is the closer tie of ethnicity.
As to the Saddy's scientists, I was refering to Saddam Hussein's not Saudi's. Sorry for using an obscure abbreviation.
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you may have read alot of books, and wierd news articles griff, but you are really short on basic human nature
The above is a common misconception. Iran's seeking the bomb primarily to finish Israel off and to defend against the coalition. Pakistan is more occupied with the Hindu Bomb and Kashmir.
it's a common misconception shared by most of the world...including Iran.. LOL
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you know? i've read that a couple times now, and i'm still not sure if it's an anti-semitic statement or not
