posted June 23, 2004 11:02            

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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by TradingWizard:
TW,
I answered this same questions just a few pages back but I'll do so again. Let's say you own 1 million shares, they do a 1 for 1000 reverse split, and the day the split occurs the stock is at .0005. After the split you would now have 1000 shares valued at .50 each. Same value but fewer shares. After the split what would happen is anyones guess. In most cases the stock tumbles but that might not be true in this case. If they have a huge o/s number it could be viewed as a positive and the price might actually increase. That is only a guess though.

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Upside, I do remember your explanation, it was on the other thread and thank you for that and for this repeat explantion. I guess I got a little concerned with GFYF split 1:250, but now that a re-read it again this morning I realized that I misunderstood some of the statements.
While I have you on this topic, can you explaing why you think a huge number of o/s can have the possitive effect on the pps. Thanks.

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'Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much.' - Helen Keller

posted June 23, 2004 11:15            

Anyone interested in understanding the great potential of CMKX just has to look at the map of the exploration properties at Fort a la Corne area.
http://casavantmining.com/images/17x11_Oct03.pdf

Start by looking at the areas owned by De Beers and their partners. Just see the number of kemberlite pipes that have been discovered and remember that....
- 80% of Saskatchewans' kimberlite pipes are diamondiferous.
- 50% contain diamonds over one millimeter in size.
- A high percentage of diamonds recovered are clear, inclusion-free and exhibit good crystal form.
- Pipes said to have erupted under inland sea and therefore have not been exposed to weathering or glaciation.
- Pipes lie within 300 feet of surface.
- Area accessible by paved all-weather road, with water and power readily available.

Now look at the claims that Casavant Minings owns and just imagine how many undiscovered diamond bearing kimberlite pipes must exist in this area.

The growth potential for CMKX is huge!

posted June 23, 2004 12:29            

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Cabbage-Now that is what a sample report should look like. Hopefully we will get to read ours like that soon. GLTA-Debi

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posted June 23, 2004 12:52            

* 20 miles to the northwest, Ashton Mining has uncovered 900
diamonds!...

* To the southeast, DeBeers, the world's largest diamond
producer, is in an exploration frenzy- they won't tell anyone
what they've found...

* And right in the middle of this region a small company owns
75,000 acres with over 30 geological anomalies...

Potential value of each anomaly that contains diamonds:
$1 to $3 BILLION!

Dear Investor,

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Companies such as...

* Aber Diamond which saw its stock soar from $1.50 to over $40.
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* Dia Met Minerals discovered the Ekati diamond deposit and
shares of their stock rose 13,300% in the first year or so
after the discovery.

* Winspear Resources was bought out by DeBeers in June of 2000 -
yielding returns of over 600% to early investors.

These now very successful diamond companies were right in the middle
of Canada's first major diamond exploration area.

And right now, on the other side of Hudson Bay, in the Otish Mountains
of Quebec, a second major diamond area strikingly similar to the one
in the Northwest Territory is being explored. Both major diamond
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dollars to be made have been rushing to stake claims. Diamonds
already have been found at one spot in the region which means
(according to geological precedent) there's plenty more in the
surrounding land.

One exploration company, the Otish Mountain Diamond Company (symbol
OMDC:OTCBB), has already acquired the mining rights to 75,000 acres of
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the first confirmation of diamonds on its property could easily send
shares soaring to many times their current value.

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off enormously! First let me give you a few examples of junior mining
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In 1992 this company was a Canadian junior diamond exploration company
trading for $1.50 a share. Today their stock sells for over $40 a
share and they have a market cap of $2 billion ($2.5 billion in
Canadian dollars).

If you had invested $10,000 in Aber Diamond in 1991 you would have
almost $2 million today.

Tiffany's invested $100 million in Aber Diamond and after only a few
years their investment is now worth $325 million.

Aber Diamond is now one of the world's largest diamond producers. They
also own Harry Winston's, the most luxurious jeweler in America.

Dia Met Minerals

The Canadian diamond boom, which began in the late 1990s with the
success of the Ekati mine in the Northwest Territories, has already
produced remarkable wealth for owners of many mining firms.

One of these firms was Dia Met Minerals Ltd., which discovered the
Ekati diamond deposit; it's 29% interest in the deposit was bought by
the Australian mining giant BHP Billiton Ltd. in 2001 for
approximately $480 million - valuing the mine at $1.7 billion.

Dia Met was a small Canadian junior exploration company just like
Otish Mountain Diamond Company (OMDC).

If you had invested $10,000 in Dia Met Minerals in their early days
you would have made in excess of $5 million at the time of discovery -
that doesn't include the additional gains you would have made at the
time of sale.

Winspear Resources

In June 2000, DeBeers bought out Winspear Diamond for 260 million
Canadian dollars, which was 170 million in U.S. dollars at the time.

DeBeers paid $4.25 per share - a 77% premium per share over the
closing price on the previous day of trading.

If you had invested $10,000 in 1997 you would have been bought out
less than 3 years later for approximately $61,000.

Demand Outstrips Supply

The price of diamonds has shown robust growth ever since the Canadian
diamond rush got under way in the mid-90s. More recently, wholesale
diamond prices rose 10% in 2003 as demand for diamond jewelry surged
once again in the U.S. And so far in 2004, the wholesale giant DeBeers
has announced two price hikes - a 3% increase in January and a 5% rise
in March.

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bonuses...

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posted June 23, 2004 12:59            

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While I have you on this topic, can you explaing why you think a huge number of o/s can have the possitive effect on the pps. Thanks.

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posted June 23, 2004 13:40            

I liked the part that says:

"And while the company's shares may be selling for peanuts now,
the first confirmation of diamonds on its property could easily send shares soaring to many times their current value."

They're trading @ .45 right now.

Man, I'd like CMKX to be trading for "peanuts", too!

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Originally posted by DeadSurf:
hey everyone...i got this email yesterday...it's simply one of those email spam ads i think but it talks of a company sinlar to cmkx...i post it on here for you guys to read and see what everyone thinks about it in relation to our cmkx.

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posted June 23, 2004 13:58            

If you want it, send me an e-mail and I will send it to you. Then PLEASE, if you want, post it.

I have explained my reasons enough.

I would appreciate it if you would stop with the digs toward me. I assure you, I can not stand conflict. I feel like I have been bickering with you about this since yesterday. All I asked for was some help with some DD. Then you start making a big deal out of it.

Again if you want it e-mail me and I will send it to you. Again it is no big deal. Again if you want to post it please do. But I would hope that you would consider NOT posting it on a public forum until you or someone can verify if it has anything to do with CMKX.

PAUL

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Originally posted by will:
I swore off of this thread since Paul pulled his stunt of 'I know something, but can't tell ya' However, I guess my conviction isn't that strong, and I just have to ask. If that is how a sample report is suppose to look, then why didn't CMKX's look like that?

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posted June 23, 2004 14:16            

I am still in this very big. Haven't sold any of my possition since .0001

I hope you are picking up some more shares at these prices.

posted June 23, 2004 14:23            

Upside thank you for the reverse split explanation :-)

posted June 23, 2004 14:29            

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Originally posted by PAUL:
I do not have a large position (wish I did) but, what I have are free shares. I think I am holding them pretty strong.

Paul

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posted June 23, 2004 14:36            

Paul

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Originally posted by will:
Nor do I have a large position, but the responsibility of posting is not diminished by the amount of shares you hold. Y'all can't have it both ways, Ambiguity = genius and cunning, and in the next breath, that's how a sample report should look. Well, which is it?

[This message has been edited by will (edited June 23, 2004).]

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posted June 23, 2004 15:16            

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Paul, I know you to be a man of incredible integrity in your life and here on the boards. Thanks for all your contributions icluding not posting what you could not verify. -Debi

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posted June 23, 2004 15:21            

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Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
KINDA WHAT I THOUGHT !

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posted June 23, 2004 15:48            

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Will wrote: knee-hi-boot-gurl:
Someone can come here with a signed note from Jesus telling me to sell , and I wouldn't pay any attention to it. I have made up my mind this is either going to go to the .XX in the next few months, or be worthless, or stagering around in the .00X's. Makes no difference at this point. Keep this in mind, read the company's PR's and base your decision on that, not some halfassed, ambigous comment design to unerve you. I don't care who makes the comment stock God, Guru, Superstar...I have made up my mind to make up my OWN mind regarding this one.

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posted June 23, 2004 16:16            

quote:

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Originally posted by Meshoe45:
The last 2 minutes of the day CMKX always drops to the low of the day.
ERRRR

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posted June 23, 2004 16:41            

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Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
WILL
Who will CMKX sell diamonds to when mined ?
VAN

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de beers of course!!! they are the only buyers
http://edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/prologue.htm

78,500,000 holding

later

posted June 23, 2004 17:23            

FEAR FACTOR.

I'm going to ask you to step outside of your normal box of thinking. Step into the shoes of a brokerage house that has made a mistake. Now in the past, their strategy has worked 98 out of 100 times to make them disgusting amounts of money. The 2 times it has failed, they were still able to get out with only moderate losses. To them this has been a slam dunk virtually every time. But this time, they actually have made a mistake that has started to concern them. If you're still in the camp about "I don't believe naked shorts even exist" then you need to read www.thefaulkingtruth.com and you need to start getting a clue about what is happening. So back to our brokerage house with a problem.

What do you do if you are them? You have choices. Choice number one is to start covering as quickly as possible. Let's see, that will tip your hand to every other market maker as well as generate further buying momentum from traders and momentum players. All of this could spiral upwards so rapidly that you could be completely and totally annihilated. Hmmmmm, gonna have to pass on that option. Assessment: VERY RISKY.

Choice number two is to try and hold the stock down just a little but keep ticking it up SLOWLY so that you can cover at each successive price level and average your way out of this situation. Now the problem with that is that market psychology won't cooperate. If the stock keeps going UP, ironically, more and more people keep buying and fewer are willing to sell because "hey, it's still going up." Eventually, enough buying is now coming in that you just can't cover all that well. Hmmmm, doesn't seem like a good option either. Assessment: PRETTY RISKY.

Choice number three. Let's get back to old school basics. Fear and impatience. The harder we can drop this, the more frustrated longs will get. This stock is no different than the other hundreds we've crushed before. So-called "longs" are looking to retire by next week and if this stock is down 50% since they bought it, they will get weak in the knees QUICKLY. It has ALWAYS worked and it WILL work in this case. Plus, we have the added bonus of a law firm that is probably going to give us a large window time frame with which to inflict maximum pain on the share price. Law firms are notoriously known to slow things down and with all the clamoring for a press release, the longer it goes without one, the more shares we can shake out without any risk of rising momentum. Let's see how much pain these shareholders can take. Let's see just HOW long they'll last. Hey, if it fails, we still have options 1 and 2. But this is WORTH exploring. Plus, the other market makers are following our lead. They aren't about to go long on this if they sense that the selling is going to continue. This is a good, solid game plan that has no downside compared to the other two options. Assessment: MINIMAL RISK (ONLY COMPANY PR COULD CAUSE FAILURE)

That in my opinion is what is happening. In the past, they have won this way every time. In the past, the companies have been so brutalized by these tactics that they can only muster up a weak, feeble defense to which the shorts slap back down pretty quickly. The media reinforcements are called in when they need a little extra push. Usually that's a sign that the short selling is not going as QUICKLY as they have planned. But the media push helps accelerate that.

Now query a few things:

How many times in the past have the companies the shorts tanked been able to get a world-class law firm to step in on their behalf? Answer: None. Shorts know that when a company is on the ropes with its share price, the company can barely afford anything, let alone solid legal expertise. We have the legal firepower to combat this. Shorts have not encountered this before.

Why are there negative bashing articles appearing for a stock at .0004? This is a stock in the hundredths of a penny. Most of the articles that ever come out from the shorts are to bash down stocks sometimes in the dollars, sometimes in the .70s to .80s, but at .0004??????? Why are reinforcements being brought in at this level? Answer: Help is needed. And FAST.

How many times in the past have people had this much of a free ride? Usually, this game isn't played at the .0001 level. But for some reason they got a little cocky here. Then it blew up in such a way that a TON of people were able to get "free rides" by selling off their initial investment. Before the shorts were even able to lob a counterattack, these people already had their money off the table. Instead of sitting back "scared" of losing their investment, they are simply waiting. The "Fear Factor" is gone on a very large percentage of shareholders. How do shorts combat this? Answer: Don't know. Haven't really seen it before. This is a tough one.

Welcome to the pennies world, only this time you happened to have entered what is shaping up to be a true heavyweight bout. Shorts have cleaned the clock of just about everyone that has entered their arena. Someone new however has entered the arena. Someone they haven't seen before. Someone they haven't scouted. Someone they aren't yet quite sure how to size up. So they're dancing around doing what they've always done and it's working a little here and there. But quite honestly, it doesn't seem to be phasing their new opponent. And suddenly the shorts begin sensing something they haven't seen before. No fear. CMKX's strategy hasn't unfolded yet. But it seems to be a virtual guarantee with our new law firm that it will NOT be like any the shorts have ever seen before. Will it be a knockout blow? Perhaps. Or it could just be a systematic pummelling until the fight is called. But the shorts are in my opinion for the first time NOT in a superior position, no matter HOW weak they try to make the stock look.

Notice how gloomy all the boards appear today. This is exactly how the shorts want it. Oh, sure, we can't PROVE that anyone is shorting and bashers will incessantly claim that "Urban is printing shares" but, hmmm, they can't prove that either. Naked shorting is the perfectly cloaked crime since the market makers can make the situation appear to be as dark as they'd like and nobody truly knows why. Notice more longs suddenly admitting to "selling a few shares just to cover my initial investment." Actually, at these prices if 100% of people sold to "cover their initial investment", the shorts might get covered on a HUGE percent of their short. Now THAT'S a goal working towards. Maximum pain is their only option right now. Giving this stock a fear factor of 10 is their ultimate goal. They will do this for as long as they can because their only other options are even more unappetizing.

Shorts have the upper hand TODAY. But that is only because they do not KNOW what is coming. Granted we don't either, but I feel VERY comfortable saying that thanks to our new law firm, it will NOT be handled in a way that 99.9% of every other pink or otc stock has combatted the problem.

I have been through this kind of pain many, many times with other otcs. I knew this would happen but was still not willing to risk anything for a quick trade. I do believe this is the opportunity of a lifetime and I'm not willing to be caught outside of my trade at the precise moment when something breaks loose. I've accumulated slowly and at a full average of about .00055. I'm comfortable with that position even if I lose 60% of my investment on paper FIRST before it turns around. THAT is the only way in my opinion to play these pennies. THAT is why you will hear so many people that have been burned before say "scam" as soon as you try telling them about a pink sheet. It is a TOUGH place to make money and you can bet that with CMKX, it's going to be the TOUGHEST place of all.

Good luck to all. I am exhausted after writing this. LOL Don't know if it helped anyone at all, but when I have thoughts I jot them down. Hopefully more often than not, they're worth reading. LOL

posted June 23, 2004 17:42            

"He and UC are workin' 24x7
the shore gold pr was interesting
everything is going according to plan"

posted June 23, 2004 17:58            

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Originally posted by cool1sh:
From IHUB..
FEAR FACTOR.

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Good find, cool. Sounds good to me.

posted June 23, 2004 19:11            

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Originally posted by tahoechris:
someone on another board contacted the transfer agent, and apparantly cmkx only has 700 shareholders, that seems like a real good number to me. also said everything should be available in 1 to 2 weeks..

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posted June 23, 2004 19:21            

By: pedro20040
23 Jun 2004, 11:38 AM EDT
Msg. 324451 of 326228
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Outstanding Shares of CMKX (rough estimate)

I ordered copies of the complete Nevada Secretary of State corporate filings for CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) and Casavant International Mining (CIM). My intent was to somehow estimate the O/S Shares of CMKX.

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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information

URBAN CASAVANT CAROLYN CASAVANT EMMERSON KOCH
----------CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING CORPORATION
URBAN CASAVANT CORY KLASSEN CORY KLASSEN
----------CMKM DIAMONDS INC.
URBAN CASAVANT DAVID DESORMEAU DAVID DESORMEAU
----------CASAVANT GOLF COMPANY
URBAN CASAVAUT ALLAN MOEN ALLAN MOEN
----------FORT A LA CORNE DIAMONDFIELDS, INC.
http://sos.state.nv.us/ofcsrh3.asp
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Let us look at what we do know.

Last SEC 10Q Filing September 30, 2002
CYBER MARK INTERNATIONAL CORP. (aka CMKX)

Stockholders' equity
Common stock, authorized 500,000,000 shares at $.0001 par value, issued and outstanding 352,223,510 shares and 42,223,510 shares, respectively

Preferred stock, authorized 3,000,000 shares at $.001 par value, issued and outstanding one (1) share.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1092299/000111776802000039/cmseptq.htm

We are looking at 500,000,000 shares authorized
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DEF 14C filed 02/03/2003

Outstanding Voting Stock of the Company

In order to effectuate the merger with the Casavant Mineral Claims, the majority shareholders' holding more than 51% of the voting shares approved an increase in the authorized capital of the Company from 500,000,000 to 10,000,000,000 with the cancellation of all Preferred shares. Prior to this action, the Company had 3,000,000 Preferred shares purchased by the majority shareholders in 2001 for $235,000 from the Jarvis Entertainment Group, Inc., thereby giving them voting control of the Company.

On November 25, 2002, the Company's shares were valued at $0.0014 and the Casavant Mineral Claims were valued at over $10,000,000 in situ, but did not include pre-claims exploration, consulting and other expenses incurred (the "Additional Claims Expenses"). These Additional Claims Expenses were valued at $3,000,000 at the time of the merger.

As of the Record Date, there were 7,241,653,404 shares of Common Stock issued and outstanding. The Common Stock constitutes the outstanding class of voting securities of the Company. Each share of Common Stock entitles the holder to one (1) vote on all matters submitted to the shareholders.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1092299/000111776803000002/0001117768-03-000002-index.htm

Total authorized shares 10,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of January 15, 2003 was 7,241,653,404 common shares
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SEC S-8 filed 05/02/2003

Item 1. Plan Information

The Company is offering shares of its common stock to various individuals for consulting services on the Company's behalf. This issuance of shares is being made pursuant to consulting agreements between the Company and the individuals. The Company has equated this number of shares to the value of the consulting services provided or to be provided by these individuals. The shares issued hereunder will not be subject to any resale restrictions. The following individuals will receive the number of shares listed next to their names:

James Kenny 530,000,000
Timothy Cammell 530,000,000
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1092299/000111776803000024/casareg.txt

Total authorized shares 10,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of May 2, 2003 was 8,301,653,404 common shares
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Stock Split

Capital Change=shs increased by 2 for 1 split. Ex-date=09/30/2003. Rec date=09/30/2003. Pay date=09/30/2003.

This is where it gets a little tricky. We know that there was a 2-1 stock split. So basing on assumption, we multiply our authorized and issued shares by 2.

Total authorized shares 20,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of May 2, 2003 was 16,603,306,808
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Let us now go back to a press release on December 17, 2003.

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces That the Company Has Officially Retired 16.5 Billion Shares Back to the Treasury
12/17/2003 3:17:06 PM
LAS VEGAS, Dec 17, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) announced today that the company has officially retired 16,520,477,200 shares of CMKM stock back to the Treasury.
Urban Casavant, President of CMKM stated, "This is a huge step to create greater shareholder value by reducing the amount of shares issued of CMKM by over 16.5 billion shares. We also plan to retire more shares back to the treasury as soon as all necessary paper work is completed."

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I want you to remember that one word above “OFFICIAL.”
“officially retired 16,502,477,200 shares.”
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Issued shares was 16,603,306,808 from above.
(Issued shares 16,603,306,808) less (Officially retired shares 16,502,477,200) = (Outstanding shares 100,829,608)

Total authorized shares 20,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of December 17, 2003 was 100,829,608.
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Here is a second press release on January 9, 2004.

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 1.8 Billion Shares
1/9/2004 9:05:33 AM
LAS VEGAS, Jan 09, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) announced today that the company has approved the retirement of an additional 1.8 billion shares of CMKM stock. The company plans to retire these shares of stock back to the treasury to create greater shareholder value. The company also plans to wrap of negotiations of buy out of some mining claims and announce details of transaction by the end of the month.

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Notice this release does not say “OFFICIALLY.”
It says “Approved” …
"approved the retirement of 1.8 billion shares."
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How can CMKX retire 1.8 billion shares when there are only 100,829,608 million shares outstanding?
(Naked Short Selling by MM’s)

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I am not finished. I ordered some documents from Nevada. My credit card was charges 2 days ago. I did not receive the documents yesterday (06/22/2004). Hopefully today.

As soon as I receive the documents from Nevada, I will update this post.

posted June 23, 2004 19:59            

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Originally posted by STAR GAZER:
cool1sh you mentioned that people have been burned playing pink sheet stocks and so say scam when they see one touted. You also say that pink sheet stocks are a tough place to make money. I LOVE PINK SHEET STOCKS. That's where I have had my greatest winners. If a person researches the stocks, they can find a
lot of great stocks. And, just as in CMKX, they have to sit back and wait, maybe acquire
free shares. All it takes is a few big winners to overcome the losers that you will have. And boy, are there some BIG WINNERS in this group. And anyway, playing the penny and
micropenny stocks is fun.

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