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I agree with most of that Upside, however, judging from the 8-k they are going to put forth the best effort to find either an exemption or register the shares, who knows. They should really PR a cohesive explanation regarding thier plans.
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Outstanding dis-claimer Jmoove. THat is far better than IMO, more credible to, here after let it be known as NLCTAOY. Have a great night, tommorow might be interesting, or it might be so-so, or it might completely suck, I do know that it tommorow will definatly be Wed. though.
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quote:Originally posted by Jmoove: I agree with most of that Upside, however, judging from the 8-k they are going to put forth the best effort to find either an exemption or register the shares, who knows. They should really PR a cohesive explanation regarding thier plans.
Yep, I agree. Hopefully they'll clear it up soon.
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Let me just take a break from this utter chaos. I have been trading for a little over a year in pennies (have actually never traded anything else). This is by far the wildest ride ive been on so far. Whatever I lose (or gain) on this stock will not matter in a few years, but I garentee this experience will. I have learned alot from this and still have so much more to learn. I have never seen anything crazier than the world of penny stocks. If you go through all the posts here it is like a circus, bashers, pumpers, people who think they knew what was going on and actually had no idea.
Sorry I'm rambling but the point I am trying to make is...learn from every trade you make. Even if everything turns out alrite for this stock, which I hope will, always do your own DD and never bank on what anyone else says. Also, there is never a sure thing. How many people thought once we got the news it was 100% going to .005. If you are pissed I am so non-chalant about this then you probably put way to much of your savings in this and are mad. I am sorry to hear that if you did, because you just learned another lesson.
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"I thought the shorts may have had inside information on this deal. It turns out they didn't know squat! They are terrified right now. They not only have to cover they have to do it by a very specific date!! LMAO! I bought in immediately upon reading the news.
It is clearly evident given the enormous short position of nonexistent shares that have to be covered - JPHC will be pushed into the stratosphere past .005 who knows how high?? the shares have to be produced!! It could go over a nickle a share if the short position is large enough. I believe it's called a SHORT SQUEEZE.
APOA PPS doesn't really mean anything any way you look at it. They have to give you .005 for your JPHC shares.
BOTTOM LINE: YOUR STOCK IS WORTH AT A MINIMUM .005 X NUMBER OF SHARES YOU OWN."
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OCEANSIDE, NY--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 25, 2006 -- APO Health, Inc. ("APO") (OTC BB:APOA.OB - News) and JUPITER Global Holdings, Corp. ("JUPITER") (Other OTC:JPHC.PK - News) today jointly announced their execution of a Definitive Agreement and Plan of Merger (the "Merger Agreement") pursuant to which APO has agreed, through a wholly owned subsidiary, to acquire 100% of the issued and outstanding common shares of JUPITER, and JUPITER has agreed, at the closing of the transaction, to become a wholly owned subsidiary of APO. As consideration in the merger transaction, APO has agreed to exchange shares of its common stock ("the Issuable Shares") with JUPITER's shareholders at an exchange ratio , which is subject to adjustment under the Merger Agreement that values the JUPITER shares at $0.005 per common share.
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Read the post below it spells out everything that is going to happen in the situation we are in now with JPHC from what I have learned..
In answer to many of your questions... (this from one of 150 longs that own MORE than the float combined... 3 billion shares of a 2.5 billion float)
Why the wall? Becuase the news is due out tomorrow, this is the LAST time the shorts will have a chance to TRY to cover. The buying/selling ratio today was 87%, on 1.8 billion shares and it only ended up a tick. Some think that the MM's were acquiring alot of shares, but look at L2 throughout the day... a ton of 900k and 950k share trades were 'painted' which means MM's trading amongst one another, NOT selling.
Also, many in our group bought today, but their buys were painted as sells... there are a FEW MM's short in this and they know that their chances to try to shake the longs are nearly over... tomorrow and thereafter with a FINALITY PR, the game is over.
Take a look HARD at the number of shares traded since January... over 20 billion... and if just 150 out of 2000 shareholders own more than the float...
Where did those shares come from? We have good methodical sources that estimate there is a short of between 2-b billion shares, both with MM's and overseas, and their day is VERY due... very very due.
Becuause this is NOT going to be a merger in the sense of new company, new shares issued, but rather a BUYOUT of between .005 and .01, the MM's cant rely on buying shares from the 'new stock' to repay their shorts.
And imagine if the buyout is .01? No one will sell before then, AND this stock could climb infinately to cover those shorts... especially if JPHC comes out and says...
Due to our CREDIBLE valuation by Evans and Evans, we estimate there are XXXX amount of shorts on the market. The SEC would HAVE to come in and come in hard with a beater stick.
The Doctor ********************************************************* Now for more I found out that I can remember. First anyone who sells for less than .005 is an IDIOT thats how it was put to me in talkable terms.
The deal states .005 is the conversion rate and that is what we will receive 005.
The APO Company just increased their A/S to 25 Billion to account for this transaction. From what I was told there should be no R/S because of this.
No one knows the sharestructure until the 8-K and Merger agreement come out which the 8_K should be out in a few days.
A Divedend still could be announced in the 8-K Filing since it was mentioned in a previous PR. Not 100% sure but it could happen.
Per PR the Shares from the new Company at this point will not be registered which means they are Restricted at this point but that could change in the 8-K coming out in a few days.
If they are restricted then it is like them giving you .005 in a Bank account that you can not touch. The reason for this is to not flood the market with shares. As I stated this may change in the 8-K or the Merger Agreement on may 10.
Now here is the important part that I could make out.
Before the Deal is done which is May 10 right now our shares will have to be accounted for because of the Name Change and Stock # Change. This means the Shorts need Legal Shares and will Drive the price up to get these shares. If no one sells the shares they Drive the price up more.
They cannot do this with Restricted Shares so they have to Cover by the Date the New Shares are issued. This is how I understood everything.
We will have a massive short covering for Legal Shares.
If the price goes up and you sell into it it means you have your money in hand as we all want. I hope this helps, I see this as a Good thing. Re read the Dr Who Post again.
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Finally! I get home, read through 4 pages of post-news posts and see the truth of the situation in the last post I read by gadowpow...
BOTTOM LINE: YOUR STOCK IS WORTH AT A MINIMUM .005 X NUMBER OF SHARES YOU OWN."
MMs were gracious enough to allow me the opportunity to buy at .0002 and .0004. I'll return the favor and offer 1M at .03. And the rest, well... I might sell more and I might want to convert to new stock.
If speculation on number of short postitions is even close, panic selling won't be enough to cover. Let the games continue...
I ask a huge favor of you... Can you take a look at the last 2 years chart of PLNI and post your opinion on what you think short positions are (on a PLNI thread)? The non-reporting pinks have had it worst of all, and there are so many red volume bars on PLNI. The float has been just over 2B. A/S recently increased, but did not affect float. 2M buyback in Dec '05, and it looks like some of that was used to decrease the float. Not sure if these stats are 100% accurate. I value your opinion.
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Sorry if I sound stupid, but Im new to the market. So from what Ive read, "it seems like a no lose situation?"?? It seems like if I was able to buy JHPC tomorrow at .001, I would get .005 after merger, is that right? and unless the price of APOA tanked before then, Id make some good money, am I wrong on this?? 1 more question, unless I read wrong, it sounds like some r saying the MM's may try to run price up on JPHC to cover the short? So again, if I got in at .001 and the ran it up to .003 or more to lessen that gap from merger ratio, I'd still make out big. Please tell me if Im understanding all this correctly?
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Last question, does restricted mean u must stay in for 1-2 yrs before selling? Unrestricted means you can sell anytime??
In the case noone is sure what they will do in merger agreement yet, only putting a portion of my available monies would be wise and not putting all into it?
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The fact is, the MMs know a ton of people are selling tomorrow mornign for a loss becasue they know that people in do not want to hold for a year or two, so covering, yeah, they;ll do that easy.......wait till you see the panic selling tomorrow morning tanking this thing to .0003 or less even......thanx JPHC for tying up our money for 2 years......what a rip!
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well, from reading, looks like its a definate 4 for 1 split. 4 JPHC = 1 APOA. What will APOA 20 day avg market price be at, not sure. I'd say .01 to .015? So buying say $10,000 of JPHC at .001 if possible, should net u $25,000 to $37,500 based on above. does that seem right to everyone? Even if u have to keep 1 to 2 yrs before selling, unless APOA tanked, a person should do ok from initial investment.
PS, when does JPHC ticker cease to exist or does it? and do u have to be a shareholder now to get conversion or can u still buy up to May 10th?
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I told people the other night this could happen. My worst fears were realized.
Right now it is a good deal, but in a year APO could go from .02 to .0002 or from .02 to .20. It actually closed at .012 today.
They pretty much said they wanted out of the old business and are going to go through JPHC. It has some potential but chances are not good for huge increases. They could double revenue to 30 million but I am going to figure off the current 15 million just for giggles.
Ameritrade says curent OS is 56 million. Whoever said 25 billion AS probably isnt right. So going off the 56 million OS and a conversion of .25 on I think 2 billion of JPHC OS you are basically raising the OS to 550 million.
550 million OS with 15 million in JPHC revenues = rev/sh of .027. If they make 1 million in profit at 10 pe it would be a .018 cent stock.
If they can turn a profit and increase revenue this is a good deal for anyone willing to wait a year or two. I can see it hanging around a penny for a year or increasing with good news.
To lose money the pps would have to fall to 1/5 the current level, basically if the conversion changed to .01 it would have to slip to .002 to lose money.
I think it is a good long term hold if you can do that. I can't, so unless they announce it will be tradeable I will bow out.
There may be enough longs willing to eat up our shares if they aren't tradeable.
If my figures are off let me know any new info, I have to decide to hold or fold and would appreciate any info.
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I personally will hold until the end of the week! THat's my "gold" (goal)!!! I don't think it's wise to make a quick decision with the yet --- don't have enough facts to sell or buy more for that matter!
You never know when a cop might be around the corner! Now your radar detected one... what does common sense tell us?!?!? SLow down and pay attention! If you sell first thing tomorrow --- that would be like shutting your car off with the keys in the ignition and running away! If you go and buy $10K worth would be like speeding up!!! People lets apply some common sense! Wait, find out the facts --- don't panic!
At this moment in time we have way to much possibilities we have to narrow it down --- lets all do our DD and wait a little!
THat's just my opinion --- i have a lot of money in this one (10.2 million) and i'm not in a mood for losing... so everyone take a chill pill and be a little patient!
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After more analysis, to be it seems that the lower you were/are able to get JPHC at and the higher they value APOA at in 20 days the better.
More shares of JPHC equals more shares of APOA.
I looked at APOA and there 52 week low was .007 and high was .06.
Im sold. Even if I gotta keep a year. A 10G investment in JPHC at .001 would give me 10 million shares. Say coversion rate ends up at .01, I know have 25G. A 150% gain.
Now in 1 yrs time, APOA would have to fall to .004 for me to take a very minor loss. I personally dont see this happening, I think they'll probably go up, how much? maybe .03-.04. Opinion of course.
My only question now is, can I still buy and have my shares be coverted?? anyone know??
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quote:Originally posted by weatherbill: The fact is, the MMs know a ton of people are selling tomorrow mornign for a loss becasue they know that people in do not want to hold for a year or two, so covering, yeah, they;ll do that easy.......wait till you see the panic selling tomorrow morning tanking this thing to .0003 or less even......thanx JPHC for tying up our money for 2 years......what a rip!
yeah unfortunately i kinda agree, apparently this stock might be good stuff for our kids or grandkids.
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I hope ur right Weatherbill and this thing does go down to .0003. I was figuring buying 10G of this at .001, but Id have 3x as many shares if I could buy that low.
To me its a no-brainer for anyone that doesnt need the money for 1 or 2 yrs. Stockholders will automatically make a big % gain after merger and if APOA goes up from intial price set, so does ur bank account.
U are getting 1 APOA for every 4 JPHC. Do the math, I did, and I honestly dont see how anyone can lose.
Not unless APOA goes under .004 in 1 or 2 yrs or people sell there shares now for a loss.
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quote:Originally posted by sbrcow: is it absolute fact that they are restricted or we just speculating?
As far as I know - still speculation.
One thing is clear - all JPHC stock will be surrendered and cease to exist. Any shorts have to cover. Still have trouble wrapping my brain around the 'negative float' scenario.
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im debating on whether or not i should sell tomorrow to pick up a lower price. i bought in at .0006 so i dont know if its really worth it, kinda imbetween.
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It seems like people think this will go down in morning, so if u can sell at .008, go for it, then hope people are right and it falls and you can buy back for lower price. but I have no idea what this will do, I just hope it goes lower for a better buy. I see it going down to 5 or 6 as a low.
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quote:Originally posted by Chad: Too all JPHC stockholders, if I buy JPHC tomorrow, do I still get the stock transfer? or do u have to be a stockholder as of today?
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