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Why do you think there will be a rapid rise if this stock hits .0001? What price do you expect it to rise to if this happens? Seems to me that it might bounce up to .0002/.0003, but then sink back down to .0001.
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I hate to think or say it, but I expect a reverse split sometime soon, even though Frankie boy said he wouldn't do it. Any promise he has made in reference to QBID PPS and shareholders - he has broken or not followed through. Therefore, I would expect nothing less from him at this point in reference to contradicting his promise to us about not R/S'ing.
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Why do you think there will be a rapid rise if this stock hits .0001? What price do you expect it to rise to if this happens? Seems to me that it might bounce up to .0002/.0003, but then sink back down to .0001.
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doesnt sound right does it.... according to scottrade historical data -----------------------------------------------------------------
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: Which stock was this?
quote:Originally posted by qlooz: Issues at 52-Week High 0.0058 (10/11/2005
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Why do you think there will be a rapid rise if this stock hits .0001? What price do you expect it to rise to if this happens? Seems to me that it might bounce up to .0002/.0003, but then sink back down to .0001.
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Frank can't be so busy that he can't say something about anything. Hell he could tell us the latest subs or something, it isn't like they closed up or something. Sending the audit back to change values sounds absurd. I'm glad I don't live near Burbank. I'd probably get in trouble. Who's benefit are the PRs that are put out?
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Hilarious! After a year of building castles in the sky, reality finally sets in. Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for y'all, but don't say you weren't warned I typically don't gloat, but damn I tried hard to explain to you guys that this was a junk stock after the peak in the .02s...
Lesson learned: just because someone has negative comments about your favorite stock doesn't mean they're a schmuck. Maybe they're TRYING TO HELP YOU.
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Look in the mirror I think your head might be ready to blow up. Better count the losses you have suffered by your own decisions till you normalize, besides it isn't over till its over. Frank could still drop dead tomrrow and things might get good again.
quote:Originally posted by RobinO: Hilarious! After a year of building castles in the sky, reality finally sets in. Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for y'all, but don't say you weren't warned I typically don't gloat, but damn I tried hard to explain to you guys that this was a junk stock after the peak in the .02s...
Lesson learned: just because someone has negative comments about your favorite stock doesn't mean they're a schmuck. Maybe they're TRYING TO HELP YOU.
quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: I hate to think or say it, but I expect a reverse split sometime soon, even though Frankie boy said he wouldn't do it. Any promise he has made in reference to QBID PPS and shareholders - he has broken or not followed through. Therefore, I would expect nothing less from him at this point in reference to contradicting his promise to us about not R/S'ing. :mad:
I don't think Frank will have a hard time convincing shareholders that a reverse split needs to be done by current management - many on this board have already stated they think it could be a good thing...
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quote:Originally posted by Dew-it: I hate to think or say it, but I expect a reverse split sometime soon, even though Frankie boy said he wouldn't do it. Any promise he has made in reference to QBID PPS and shareholders - he has broken or not followed through. Therefore, I would expect nothing less from him at this point in reference to contradicting his promise to us about not R/S'ing.
I don't think Frank will have a hard time convincing shareholders that a reverse split needs to be done by current management - many on this board have already stated they think it could be a good thing...
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the market cap of this company, assuming 48 billion shares out is UNDER 15 million dollars!, thats incredibly low!. there are companies on these threads with much much less to offer, some with little more than a buisness plan and no assets trading with market caps ten times higher!. it matters little if you have 1 million or 100 billion shares out, the stock price should reflect the value of the company, the tricky part is convincing investors of what that value is, witch is why we need the audit, sub numbers, ad revenue and carrier details. it should be clear to anyone who has followed the growth of this company that they are NOW worth more than 15 million dollars!. its up to the company to prove this fact with financials!. please do it now!.
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an R/S will not save the Q. they would need to reduce the A/S by AT LEAST 95 percent at the same time as the R/S however considering past events there would be no reason to believe he would not simply raise the A/S again to finance the company with more stock. it is my opinion that an R/S at these levels would kill this company, they would either go bankrupt or be forced to sell at a very low price. the question becomes, will frank settle fow a few million and a bankrupt buisness or will he make a grab for the golden ring?. this thing can still work but time is not on his side. he and or the company needs to show the value we most of us beleive is there and it needs to happen soon.
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Dig ill tell you this much. if you had the **** going on that Frank has going on, you would not have done half of what Frank has managed to do with this company.
it looks to me like he has been tied up with lawyers and lawsuits and court dates, all while he is building this company.
I dont expect to hear anything at all now till the new year or until the courts have all these lawsuits cleared up.
honestly, if i was Frank being bombarded with the crap that he has received from the shareholders in the last little while, I would do exactly the same. Go quiet.
all these letters that are going to Frank that IHUB put together, i dont believe will bother Frank in the least, but more then likely, make him say screw you guys, you can wait.
the only letter that may hold any wait with Frank would be the one from IMAKEMONEY requesting to see the books and the audit info. That one at least, has some teeth in that we have the legal right to see the books. however, i still feel that it will get put off as well.
Just because it is his right, doesn't mean he will let you see the books. after that what is the next step? Report it to the SEC maybe? OK now the SEC sends Frank a letter stating that he has to let them see it, then the next meeting is set up and he still doesn't show them, now what? OK now maybe they get a lawyer involved, take it to court, have it postponed a couple of times, drag it out for 6 months, then say OK you can come look at the 1 year old audit.
Frank will let us in on what is going on when he is dam well good and ready. He has bigger problems on his plate right now then worrying about what the investors want.
He is trying to grow a business, produce shows, handle everyday problems with the business, travel to New York for his health treatments, and fight legal battles, all while investors sit on a board all day complaining about how Frank is not doing anything for them, or Frank is a liar, or Frank is not worthy of running the business.
We may not be showing it by the pps, but this company is growing by leaps and bounds, and if you cant see that then you are blind. Given time this pps will reflect the true worth of the business.
everyone blames Frank for the drop in the pps, but the truth be told, we are responsible as well.
how many in here would be willing to buy tomorrow for .0004?
how many in here have bids in at .0001?
if there where buyers willing to pay the price that they feel the company is worth, then the price would go up. as long as all the longs and the new buyers are looking to buy at the bid then the price is never going to go up. I know that is not the only reason, it goes down. but it doesn't help the situation any either.
every time you place a bid that is lower then the present bid and ask you are putting pressure on the pps to drop.
if everyone was to stop bidding at .0003 right now and placed their orders at .0001 what do you think would happen?
My point is we are here where we sit, we are here because we chose to hang on instead of selling at a stop loss. we have no one to blame but our selves for still being here.
I made the decision that i am in it till the end. I dont know what end it will be but we will eventually find out. Getting ugly about it is not an option for me. I spent the money long ago on this stock, I dont need that money to live, so im not going to cry over spilt milk.
I dont believe this is over yet, and i still feel that i will see my investment go Green in time. If i dont oh well i made a bad choice, along with 6000+ other people. We all placed bets, now we have to let the bet sit and see if we won or lost. at this point you have only lost if you give up on your bet and bailed. Im not that willing to give my money away. I made a bet and im willing to wait it out and see if it was a good bet. we still have a long road ahead of us before i had planned my total exit of this company.
last summer Whiz talked about 3-5 years. Im still looking that far out. we are only a year into Whiz's projections, and many are loosing it.
we may r/s we may not. we may not make it, but i dont believe that to be our eventuality. Frank may buy back and he may not. no one knows the end to this story, so no one is in the right to say that we are wrong to buy or sell this stock. History repeats its self. looking back on our history i see several big runs, but i dont see any r/s!! i see several drops to the .0001 but i dont see any r/s. I see many boards stating this will never make it on the air, but i dont see any r/s. I see a company that is busting at the seems and on the verge of being the largest name in the GLBT media world, I see 600 billion in spending power looking to buy our product, i see international opportunities, i see big name stars throwing their names into the effort, i see a company that is steamrolling forward with what seems to be unstoppable momentum, and i see this all happening in a very very short period of time.
I see potential, and for that potential to pay off i will be patient
Rod
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: You would think the CEO and mgmt are comatose or something here. Just an observation.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: Dig ill tell you this much. if you had the **** going on that Frank has going on, you would not have done half of what Frank has managed to do with this company.
it looks to me like he has been tied up with lawyers and lawsuits and court dates, all while he is building this company.
I dont expect to hear anything at all now till the new year or until the courts have all these lawsuits cleared up.
honestly, if i was Frank being bombarded with the crap that he has received from the shareholders in the last little while, I would do exactly the same. Go quiet.
all these letters that are going to Frank that IHUB put together, i dont believe will bother Frank in the least, but more then likely, make him say screw you guys, you can wait.
the only letter that may hold any wait with Frank would be the one from IMAKEMONEY requesting to see the books and the audit info. That one at least, has some teeth in that we have the legal right to see the books. however, i still feel that it will get put off as well.
Just because it is his right, doesn't mean he will let you see the books. after that what is the next step? Report it to the SEC maybe? OK now the SEC sends Frank a letter stating that he has to let them see it, then the next meeting is set up and he still doesn't show them, now what? OK now maybe they get a lawyer involved, take it to court, have it postponed a couple of times, drag it out for 6 months, then say OK you can come look at the 1 year old audit.
Frank will let us in on what is going on when he is dam well good and ready. He has bigger problems on his plate right now then worrying about what the investors want.
He is trying to grow a business, produce shows, handle everyday problems with the business, travel to New York for his health treatments, and fight legal battles, all while investors sit on a board all day complaining about how Frank is not doing anything for them, or Frank is a liar, or Frank is not worthy of running the business.
We may not be showing it by the pps, but this company is growing by leaps and bounds, and if you cant see that then you are blind. Given time this pps will reflect the true worth of the business.
everyone blames Frank for the drop in the pps, but the truth be told, we are responsible as well.
how many in here would be willing to buy tomorrow for .0004?
how many in here have bids in at .0001?
if there where buyers willing to pay the price that they feel the company is worth, then the price would go up. as long as all the longs and the new buyers are looking to buy at the bid then the price is never going to go up. I know that is not the only reason, it goes down. but it doesn't help the situation any either.
every time you place a bid that is lower then the present bid and ask you are putting pressure on the pps to drop.
if everyone was to stop bidding at .0003 right now and placed their orders at .0001 what do you think would happen?
My point is we are here where we sit, we are here because we chose to hang on instead of selling at a stop loss. we have no one to blame but our selves for still being here.
I made the decision that i am in it till the end. I dont know what end it will be but we will eventually find out. Getting ugly about it is not an option for me. I spent the money long ago on this stock, I dont need that money to live, so im not going to cry over spilt milk.
I dont believe this is over yet, and i still feel that i will see my investment go Green in time. If i dont oh well i made a bad choice, along with 6000+ other people. We all placed bets, now we have to let the bet sit and see if we won or lost. at this point you have only lost if you give up on your bet and bailed. Im not that willing to give my money away. I made a bet and im willing to wait it out and see if it was a good bet. we still have a long road ahead of us before i had planned my total exit of this company.
last summer Whiz talked about 3-5 years. Im still looking that far out. we are only a year into Whiz's projections, and many are loosing it.
we may r/s we may not. we may not make it, but i dont believe that to be our eventuality. Frank may buy back and he may not. no one knows the end to this story, so no one is in the right to say that we are wrong to buy or sell this stock. History repeats its self. looking back on our history i see several big runs, but i dont see any r/s!! i see several drops to the .0001 but i dont see any r/s. I see many boards stating this will never make it on the air, but i dont see any r/s. I see a company that is busting at the seems and on the verge of being the largest name in the GLBT media world, I see 600 billion in spending power looking to buy our product, i see international opportunities, i see big name stars throwing their names into the effort, i see a company that is steamrolling forward with what seems to be unstoppable momentum, and i see this all happening in a very very short period of time.
I see potential, and for that potential to pay off i will be patient
Rod
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: You would think the CEO and mgmt are comatose or something here. Just an observation.
Time is on Franks side. he has stated that he has financing through to 2008 to make a proffit.
he claims he will be proffitable this coming year.
if that is the case, the backing will still be there till 2008 even if he does need it, time is definitely on his side, that is why im willing too wait.
as was stated earlier, by someone. this company is values at a staggeringly low value of 15 million. the rights to the gay games is worth 3-7 million alone. let alone all the shows that Q has produced, the income generation from the studios and the teleport, is in the tune or about 8 million a year.
as much as Frank has not been open with the financials of this company, the market or the MMs have placed a very unfair market value of this company. Im sure this company would be worth half a billion at the very least to someone like Viacom.
but to say that Frank is running out of time? I dont think so. I think the only ones running out of time are the ones that are not willing to sit it out and wait on the company to do its thing.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by madmoney: an R/S will not save the Q. they would need to reduce the A/S by AT LEAST 95 percent at the same time as the R/S however considering past events there would be no reason to believe he would not simply raise the A/S again to finance the company with more stock. it is my opinion that an R/S at these levels would kill this company, they would either go bankrupt or be forced to sell at a very low price. the question becomes, will frank settle fow a few million and a bankrupt buisness or will he make a grab for the golden ring?. this thing can still work but time is not on his side. he and or the company needs to show the value we most of us beleive is there and it needs to happen soon.
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PT, I admire your positive way of seeing things but please stop stating anything that you are not sure of.
How can you be so sure this company is gonna be worth half a billion? If you have any proof please show it to us... is it because of the collection of Mary Hartman Mary Hartman that we will have?
Any new investor should be seriously warned about your statements which have no background other than for "Frank's words".
Keep dreams and reality seperated.
GF
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: I disagree with you.
Time is on Franks side. he has stated that he has financing through to 2008 to make a proffit.
he claims he will be proffitable this coming year.
if that is the case, the backing will still be there till 2008 even if he does need it, time is definitely on his side, that is why im willing too wait.
as was stated earlier, by someone. this company is values at a staggeringly low value of 15 million. the rights to the gay games is worth 3-7 million alone. let alone all the shows that Q has produced, the income generation from the studios and the teleport, is in the tune or about 8 million a year.
as much as Frank has not been open with the financials of this company, the market or the MMs have placed a very unfair market value of this company. Im sure this company would be worth half a billion at the very least to someone like Viacom.
but to say that Frank is running out of time? I dont think so. I think the only ones running out of time are the ones that are not willing to sit it out and wait on the company to do its thing.
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With all due respect i did not say it is worth half a billion. I said im sure it has to be worth half a billion to someone like Viacom.
Why?
Because Media is big business. And a niche market that is literally untapped is worth a fortune.
The Black Entertainment Network is a prime example.
It sold for 3 billion + and it had never made a penny up to that point. It is a large market, but it is also considerably, dare i say it, poorer audience.
The GLBT community is a very wealthy per capita market, willing to stand behind, and rally for expression of thier freedoms of choice. Q is a perfect outlet, and judging from the input from many that i have talked to, and read about, they like this product, and will will support it.
If Frank is even close to making this company proffitable by 2008, this company will be worth far more then the BET deal, in my honest opinion.
can i say for sure that this will happen? no.
I can only go by what Frank is telling us. I know from the past that Frank is very selective with his words and makes us believe or hear things the way we want rather then the way it actually was meant.
That is why i always tell people not to buy on my information, as it is only as good as the info fed to me by Frank.
and please always read my tag line.
I hope that answers your question on why i feel this way.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by GoodFella: PT, I admire your positive way of seeing things but please stop stating anything that you are not sure of.
How can you be so sure this company is gonna be worth half a billion? If you have any proof please show it to us... is it because of the collection of Mary Hartman Mary Hartman that we will have?
Any new investor should be seriously warned about your statements which have no background other than for "Frank's words".
Keep dreams and reality seperated.
GF
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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards. Dont invest more then you can afford to lose.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: With all due respect i did not say it is worth half a billion. I said im sure it has to be worth half a billion to someone like Viacom.
Why?
Because Media is big business. And a niche market that is literally untapped is worth a fortune.
The Black Entertainment Network is a prime example.
It sold for 3 billion + and it had never made a penny up to that point. It is a large market, but it is also considerably, dare i say it, poorer audience.
The GLBT community is a very wealthy per capita market, willing to stand behind, and rally for expression of thier freedoms of choice. Q is a perfect outlet, and judging from the input from many that i have talked to, and read about, they like this product, and will will support it.
If Frank is even close to making this company proffitable by 2008, this company will be worth far more then the BET deal, in my honest opinion.
can i say for sure that this will happen? no.
I can only go by what Frank is telling us. I know from the past that Frank is very selective with his words and makes us believe or hear things the way we want rather then the way it actually was meant.
That is why i always tell people not to buy on my information, as it is only as good as the info fed to me by Frank.
and please always read my tag line.
I hope that answers your question on why i feel this way.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by GoodFella: PT, I admire your positive way of seeing things but please stop stating anything that you are not sure of.
How can you be so sure this company is gonna be worth half a billion? If you have any proof please show it to us... is it because of the collection of Mary Hartman Mary Hartman that we will have?
Any new investor should be seriously warned about your statements which have no background other than for "Frank's words".
Keep dreams and reality seperated.
GF
Thanks Rod.
And I've said this before but I'll say it again....because it seems as though no matter how many times you try to explain the reasonable expectations of this longterm investment, regardless of the current situation, there will always be those who are impatient and blinded by emotion and instant greed that will always fail to reason.
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Thanks for the explanation. But in my opinion, as long as we don't see an Audit, this company is worth nothing to my eyes. Not even 1$ because I have no proof that it has any assets.
BET had a very unique content at the time it launched. And you might be very wrong by saying than BET's audience is much poorer that QTN's audience.
Lot's and I mean lots of young WHITE spoiled kids who want to be like 2pac and 50 cents watch this channel. You can't say the same thing about QTN. The GLBT community has other alternatives when it comes to TV channels and you cannot rely on 100% of them. And I have a hard time imagining any significant non-GLBT audience being interested in QTN. So compraing BET to QTN is not right to me.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to diss you, you're one of the fews here who still can say something positive about this company. I used to think like you. But my brain has a certain limit to LIES and I might have been a fool when I bought into this stock. But at that time I believed the PR's and Frank's statements.
By the I'm from Ottawa, and everytime I buy and sell an american stock I get killed by the exchange rate. How about you?
GF
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: With all due respect i did not say it is worth half a billion. I said im sure it has to be worth half a billion to someone like Viacom.
Why?
Because Media is big business. And a niche market that is literally untapped is worth a fortune.
The Black Entertainment Network is a prime example.
It sold for 3 billion + and it had never made a penny up to that point. It is a large market, but it is also considerably, dare i say it, poorer audience.
The GLBT community is a very wealthy per capita market, willing to stand behind, and rally for expression of thier freedoms of choice. Q is a perfect outlet, and judging from the input from many that i have talked to, and read about, they like this product, and will will support it.
If Frank is even close to making this company proffitable by 2008, this company will be worth far more then the BET deal, in my honest opinion.
can i say for sure that this will happen? no.
I can only go by what Frank is telling us. I know from the past that Frank is very selective with his words and makes us believe or hear things the way we want rather then the way it actually was meant.
That is why i always tell people not to buy on my information, as it is only as good as the info fed to me by Frank.
and please always read my tag line.
I hope that answers your question on why i feel this way.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by GoodFella: PT, I admire your positive way of seeing things but please stop stating anything that you are not sure of.
How can you be so sure this company is gonna be worth half a billion? If you have any proof please show it to us... is it because of the collection of Mary Hartman Mary Hartman that we will have?
Any new investor should be seriously warned about your statements which have no background other than for "Frank's words".
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Ok we are here trying to lower our average and we are bidding lower and lower. I agree 100% with you that we are only shooting ourselves in the foot by doing that. Yes we are also responsible for the drop of the PPS. But...
Look at it this way; something is not right with this stock because it seems like everytime we downticked in the past few months, there was someone willing to sell lower and lower. I can assure you it wasn't me and most people here have kept their shares and probably bought even more.
This is when I see that MT's theory about the toxic financing makes sense. Although there is no proof that backs his theory, it makes sense.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
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everyone blames Frank for the drop in the pps, but the truth be told, we are responsible as well.
how many in here would be willing to buy tomorrow for .0004?
how many in here have bids in at .0001?
if there where buyers willing to pay the price that they feel the company is worth, then the price would go up. as long as all the longs and the new buyers are looking to buy at the bid then the price is never going to go up. I know that is not the only reason, it goes down. but it doesn't help the situation any either.
every time you place a bid that is lower then the present bid and ask you are putting pressure on the pps to drop.
if everyone was to stop bidding at .0003 right now and placed their orders at .0001 what do you think would happen?
My point is we are here where we sit, we are here because we chose to hang on instead of selling at a stop loss. we have no one to blame but our selves for still being here.
I made the decision that i am in it till the end. I dont know what end it will be but we will eventually find out. Getting ugly about it is not an option for me. I spent the money long ago on this stock, I dont need that money to live, so im not going to cry over spilt milk.
I dont believe this is over yet, and i still feel that i will see my investment go Green in time. If i dont oh well i made a bad choice, along with 6000+ other people. We all placed bets, now we have to let the bet sit and see if we won or lost. at this point you have only lost if you give up on your bet and bailed. Im not that willing to give my money away. I made a bet and im willing to wait it out and see if it was a good bet. we still have a long road ahead of us before i had planned my total exit of this company.
last summer Whiz talked about 3-5 years. Im still looking that far out. we are only a year into Whiz's projections, and many are loosing it.
we may r/s we may not. we may not make it, but i dont believe that to be our eventuality. Frank may buy back and he may not. no one knows the end to this story, so no one is in the right to say that we are wrong to buy or sell this stock. History repeats its self. looking back on our history i see several big runs, but i dont see any r/s!! i see several drops to the .0001 but i dont see any r/s. I see many boards stating this will never make it on the air, but i dont see any r/s. I see a company that is busting at the seems and on the verge of being the largest name in the GLBT media world, I see 600 billion in spending power looking to buy our product, i see international opportunities, i see big name stars throwing their names into the effort, i see a company that is steamrolling forward with what seems to be unstoppable momentum, and i see this all happening in a very very short period of time.
I see potential, and for that potential to pay off i will be patient
Rod
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: You would think the CEO and mgmt are comatose or something here. Just an observation.
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common there have been many here that have stated that they have sold out and moved on. that is just the ones that are vocal about it.
for every one person that posts here there are many more that dont.
if you check with Bob you will see there are more then 200 people that view this thread on a daily basis with out ever posting. Most of them are interested in buying or selling.
there are over 6000 investors in this stock and you can state that not many are selling?
again with all due respect, you just hit me with the statement "please stop stating anything that you are not sure of", and here you are doing it now.
I dont mind if you want to state facts, but if you want to play the game about calling people on thier statements, you better be prepaired to back them. So lets have it how can you prove that no one is selling thier shares?
Rod
quote:Originally posted by GoodFella: Ok we are here trying to lower our average and we are bidding lower and lower. I agree 100% with you that we are only shooting ourselves in the foot by doing that. Yes we are also responsible for the drop of the PPS. But...
Look at it this way; something is not right with this stock because it seems like everytime we downticked in the past few months, there was someone willing to sell lower and lower. I can assure you it wasn't me and most people here have kept their shares and probably bought even more.
This is when I see that MT's theory about the toxic financing makes sense. Although there is no proof that backs his theory, it makes sense.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
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everyone blames Frank for the drop in the pps, but the truth be told, we are responsible as well.
how many in here would be willing to buy tomorrow for .0004?
how many in here have bids in at .0001?
if there where buyers willing to pay the price that they feel the company is worth, then the price would go up. as long as all the longs and the new buyers are looking to buy at the bid then the price is never going to go up. I know that is not the only reason, it goes down. but it doesn't help the situation any either.
every time you place a bid that is lower then the present bid and ask you are putting pressure on the pps to drop.
if everyone was to stop bidding at .0003 right now and placed their orders at .0001 what do you think would happen?
My point is we are here where we sit, we are here because we chose to hang on instead of selling at a stop loss. we have no one to blame but our selves for still being here.
I made the decision that i am in it till the end. I dont know what end it will be but we will eventually find out. Getting ugly about it is not an option for me. I spent the money long ago on this stock, I dont need that money to live, so im not going to cry over spilt milk.
I dont believe this is over yet, and i still feel that i will see my investment go Green in time. If i dont oh well i made a bad choice, along with 6000+ other people. We all placed bets, now we have to let the bet sit and see if we won or lost. at this point you have only lost if you give up on your bet and bailed. Im not that willing to give my money away. I made a bet and im willing to wait it out and see if it was a good bet. we still have a long road ahead of us before i had planned my total exit of this company.
last summer Whiz talked about 3-5 years. Im still looking that far out. we are only a year into Whiz's projections, and many are loosing it.
we may r/s we may not. we may not make it, but i dont believe that to be our eventuality. Frank may buy back and he may not. no one knows the end to this story, so no one is in the right to say that we are wrong to buy or sell this stock. History repeats its self. looking back on our history i see several big runs, but i dont see any r/s!! i see several drops to the .0001 but i dont see any r/s. I see many boards stating this will never make it on the air, but i dont see any r/s. I see a company that is busting at the seems and on the verge of being the largest name in the GLBT media world, I see 600 billion in spending power looking to buy our product, i see international opportunities, i see big name stars throwing their names into the effort, i see a company that is steamrolling forward with what seems to be unstoppable momentum, and i see this all happening in a very very short period of time.
I see potential, and for that potential to pay off i will be patient
Rod
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: You would think the CEO and mgmt are comatose or something here. Just an observation.
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Man this stock is dead ya'll lets just face it, ain't nobody checking for the Q. This market ain't as big as most people thought. The whole idea has came and it as almost gone. Time to find the next big thing.
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I would agree.....except management here has driven this thing to the ground with all the dilluting and controversy...it's a shame really......there is a product here...unforunately, they're not sharing it via public shares....i.e., diverting deals to other entities, not honoring existing deals, not disclosing financials as promised numerous times, dilluting in the background, etc....I dumped every play I've made thus far in this, and have taken my losses....if it moves, I'll jump in for a play, like any other stock.....but there are way too many negatives hovering around this stock to make it a potential play.....JMHO....take it or leave it....GLTA....
quote:Originally posted by RiescoDiQui: You know if the ask does touch .0001 there could be a dead cat bounce... Might be worth a play.
Another Media Entrepreneur Named Ted Building an online network, one video at a time By Nicholas Snow
Scene 1 – Another Media Entrepreneur Named Ted
While you’ve undoubtedly heard of TV networks LOGO, here! and Q Television, you may not have heard of www.OutOfTheCloset.TV (OOTC), playing now on a computer near you (and soon, on your cell phone). One could call OOTC founder Ted (Trent, not Turner) “a powerful entrepreneurial spirit who focuses on making a difference in the lives of gays, lesbians, the local community, and his family and friends,” as he cares about creating “real answers to real questions facing people who are struggling with life and the challenges it brings.”
In addition to operating his increasingly popular online television network, Ted also owns a company which helps people find downtown loft residences (one serves as his studio), shoots headshots for actors, and even works a few days a month giving tours at Universal Studios. Call Ted a renaissance man.
“I also think some people think I’m arrogant,” shared Ted. “I think that is probably true. I realize that not everyone cares about gay and lesbian issues. Not everyone wants to live in a loft in Downtown LA. Not everyone wants headshots or a tour of the backlot at Universal Studios, but for those that do, I love being a resource of energy, spirit, knowledge, and vision. I do have a great deal of self-worth in a community where even our President and Governor choose to not see my individual worth, so to be arrogant in 2005, I confess it’s true. It’s how I survive and thrive.”
What exactly is OOTC TV?
“OutoftheClosetTelevision.com is free video programming for anyone who wants to learn more about gays, lesbians, bisexuals, or transgenders on a global basis,” stated Ted humbly yet grandly. “I don’t think people realize the impact OutoftheClosetTelevision.com is having on the globe. We do online advertising campaigns in Iraq, Iran, Japan, Brazil, Sweden… Our mission is unlike any mission of any other GLBT business or organization that I know of. We aren’t just focusing on Chicago and New York or the United States. Our vision is to reach all GLBT on the planet who can access either a mobile or a high speed Internet computer via OutoftheClosetTelevision.com.”
“OutoftheClosetTelevision.com might actually maintain a much bigger vision than gay television networks here in the United States,” added Ted. “Currently, our content is available on Mango TV in Austria. We are working with Mogenic.com, the world’s largest GLBT youth website, out of Australia. In addition, we are currently working with the Trevor Project in creating youth programming that addresses questions gay youth have about GLBT issues which will be reaching youth all around the world.”
Scene 2 – The Birth of a Network
Initial capital for OOTC came for an inheritance from Ted’s beloved grandmother, who always wanted Ted to have a happy life, but an actual television show was also quite catalytic in the birth of Ted’s network.
Ted Trent on location at the season premiere of Queer As Folk at the Showcase Theatre in Los Angeles, Summer 2004. Photo by Nicholas Snow.
“Five years ago, I was watching a news program called, 'Good Day Live' here in Los Angeles,” explained Ted. “One of the reporters made a comment about a gay person as if it were a horrible discovery to learn that the person was gay. I was so angry by the way she handled the topic that I decided that instead of writing an email to make her wrong about her delivery, I thought I would actually make an effort to educate her on a better way of telling stories about the lives of gays and lesbians. That was the first thought that birthed OutoftheClosetTelevision.com. Thank you Dorothy Lucy of 'Good Day LA'—your comments changed my life. My story is proof that good can be salvaged from a bad situation.”
Does OOTC differ from other online video providers?
“I hope it’s similar and yet I think it’s a very unique experience,” said Ted. “Everything runs off the free version of Real Player. Real Player is like a record player but it’s for videos on the computer. I don’t try to provide our multimedia in every format because it’s simply too expensive to host all those video streams. “
”We are unique because we work with individuals regarding any type of content that has been created. Websites like AtomFilms, etc. mainly deal with movies. We deal with celebrity interviews, episodic programming, and reality shows. I don’t know of any other GLBT website that makes these types of offerings to their audiences for free—if at all. Plus, we don’t think of ourselves as a destination alone. We provide video to many different websites and mobile devices,” Ted explained.
“To experience OutoftheClosetTelevision.com, you don’t even have to visit our website... Just like ABC has their affiliate stations across the country, we have our affiliate websites who provide our programming to their viewers for free,” Ted explained. “We have three-hour special event coverage, 90-minute motion pictures with commercial interruptions, and 30 second movie previews. It’s all the best of television and DVR combined.”
While Ted doesn’t reveal all of his site’s stats, he did reveal the top five most watched videos, which include, in order, the Wave Babes movie trailer, The Complex series trailer, The L Word Season Two Red Carpet Interviews, the Issues 101 movie trailer (with Kelly Clarkson before she was famous) and a Jason and deMarco music video. “On an average month, we have about 1,500,000 videos watched. This means we have about 1,500,000 commercials viewed too,” said Ted. Commercials play before each program and recent advertisers include TLA Video, Mango TV and Ajaxx 63. OOTC is also involved in a strategic partnership with AOL, but Ted is mum on the details.
Celebrities featured on Ted’s network include Rosie; The L Word Cast, Queer As Folk Cast, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, and Queer Eye for the Straight Girl; plus Jonny McGovern (the Gay Pimp), Kevin Aviance, Abbalicious, Angrogene, Atomic Swindlers, Copper Wimmin, James from Boy Meets Boy, Jason and deMarco, Jim Verros, Betty Degeneres, Sacha Sacket, Saturn, Green and Root, Senator Sheila Kuela, Bruce Vilanch, Margret Cho, Judith Light, Judy Weider, and Lily Tomlin; plus Elisa Donavan of Sabrina the Teen-Age Witch and Clueless, Chad Allen, Leslie Jordan of Will & Grace, and Jason Alexander of Love! Valour! Compassion!
One thing you won’t find on OOTC is porn.
“I wanted to create a website that is a safe place for my nephews. I wanted my parents to feel good about referring it to their friends,” said Ted. “My straight friends are referring OutoftheClosetTelevision.com all the time. It makes me feel so good when my friends tell me they feel great when they recommend the site…”
Scene 3 – Creating Possibility
One of the OutOfTheCloset.TV sets in Ted Trent's downtown L.A. loft.
“What motivates you in life,” I asked Ted.
“I am motivated by the possibility that someday I’ll lose these extra 20 pounds,” explained Ted honestly. “I’m also motivated when I can see an opportunity of creating a different paradigm of thinking for another individual. When people visit the website, I hope they walk away believing anything is possible with their gay life. I am also motivated to continue to live because I am an important part of my family and friends lives. I am motivated to be a better man for my life partner Drew.”
Ted identifies his support system as “All my family and friends. God is also my invisible support system. The religious right did a good job attempting to strip away the belief that God loves me just the way I am. But they failed—my belief that God created me as a Gay man is a supporting thought. My life partner Drew also supports me… My brother, mother, and step-father surround me with their constant support and love.”
Ted Trent with his life partner, Drew Panico.
Ted’s biggest role model is his late grandmother, but another, Ms. Winfrey. “I have designed Out of the Closet Television as though Oprah was on my staff. I always think to myself, ‘What Would Oprah Do?’”
Ted—thanks for what YOU do. That’s a wrap!
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I dont get it, I said "Most people here".. not "Everybody here". Why do you get so defensive man?
I state it one more time, most people here (ie who post here) have kept their shares. And most probably yes there have been people who sold.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: common there have been many here that have stated that they have sold out and moved on. that is just the ones that are vocal about it.
for every one person that posts here there are many more that dont.
if you check with Bob you will see there are more then 200 people that view this thread on a daily basis with out ever posting. Most of them are interested in buying or selling.
there are over 6000 investors in this stock and you can state that not many are selling?
again with all due respect, you just hit me with the statement "please stop stating anything that you are not sure of", and here you are doing it now.
I dont mind if you want to state facts, but if you want to play the game about calling people on thier statements, you better be prepaired to back them. So lets have it how can you prove that no one is selling thier shares?
Rod
quote:Originally posted by GoodFella: Ok we are here trying to lower our average and we are bidding lower and lower. I agree 100% with you that we are only shooting ourselves in the foot by doing that. Yes we are also responsible for the drop of the PPS. But...
Look at it this way; something is not right with this stock because it seems like everytime we downticked in the past few months, there was someone willing to sell lower and lower. I can assure you it wasn't me and most people here have kept their shares and probably bought even more.
This is when I see that MT's theory about the toxic financing makes sense. Although there is no proof that backs his theory, it makes sense.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
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everyone blames Frank for the drop in the pps, but the truth be told, we are responsible as well.
how many in here would be willing to buy tomorrow for .0004?
how many in here have bids in at .0001?
if there where buyers willing to pay the price that they feel the company is worth, then the price would go up. as long as all the longs and the new buyers are looking to buy at the bid then the price is never going to go up. I know that is not the only reason, it goes down. but it doesn't help the situation any either.
every time you place a bid that is lower then the present bid and ask you are putting pressure on the pps to drop.
if everyone was to stop bidding at .0003 right now and placed their orders at .0001 what do you think would happen?
My point is we are here where we sit, we are here because we chose to hang on instead of selling at a stop loss. we have no one to blame but our selves for still being here.
I made the decision that i am in it till the end. I dont know what end it will be but we will eventually find out. Getting ugly about it is not an option for me. I spent the money long ago on this stock, I dont need that money to live, so im not going to cry over spilt milk.
I dont believe this is over yet, and i still feel that i will see my investment go Green in time. If i dont oh well i made a bad choice, along with 6000+ other people. We all placed bets, now we have to let the bet sit and see if we won or lost. at this point you have only lost if you give up on your bet and bailed. Im not that willing to give my money away. I made a bet and im willing to wait it out and see if it was a good bet. we still have a long road ahead of us before i had planned my total exit of this company.
last summer Whiz talked about 3-5 years. Im still looking that far out. we are only a year into Whiz's projections, and many are loosing it.
we may r/s we may not. we may not make it, but i dont believe that to be our eventuality. Frank may buy back and he may not. no one knows the end to this story, so no one is in the right to say that we are wrong to buy or sell this stock. History repeats its self. looking back on our history i see several big runs, but i dont see any r/s!! i see several drops to the .0001 but i dont see any r/s. I see many boards stating this will never make it on the air, but i dont see any r/s. I see a company that is busting at the seems and on the verge of being the largest name in the GLBT media world, I see 600 billion in spending power looking to buy our product, i see international opportunities, i see big name stars throwing their names into the effort, i see a company that is steamrolling forward with what seems to be unstoppable momentum, and i see this all happening in a very very short period of time.
I see potential, and for that potential to pay off i will be patient
Rod
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: You would think the CEO and mgmt are comatose or something here. Just an observation.
Still long and strong on this one. The only thing that will truly determine who is right and who is wrong will be where the pps is 2-3 years from now. I plan on being here to find out. Even if it never pans out, no biggie!
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