quote:I don't know who posted yesterday that link about what O/S means but I remember that it sad that preferded shares are included in the O/S
Jonas, I think it was pennies that posted that. That is not the case. The total OS is 19.5 billion, 5.5 is the restricted shares, and 14 billion is the float. There's some dispute on how much Frank diluted in the last year. I can't find the PRs that stated he added another 7 billion shares to pay for the gay games, but people have stated that he did, so that would mean the non-reported dilution was only about 3.5 billion shares.
It is certain that (according the PRs) since February 2004, there was approximately 10.5 billion in extra shares that were added to the outstanding count, and thus the float.
Franks 53% is preferred stock and is its own animal, it is NOT part of the O/S. I don't care what anyone says or what fradulent links they may give you, preferred shares are *NOT* common stock. Junior investors even know this.
The float is 14 billion, don't let anyone convince you otherwise. If you're going to buy this stock, be aware of that. QBID is valued somewhere between 100 to 200 million currently, and will be more so within the year. That amounts to somewhere between .0051 and .0102 in PPS value. I find it likely that we will hit .0051 within the next six months barring additional dilution and, if Frank is able to break even or turn a profit, .0102 will be the new base.
I can assure you that if we are turning a profit, Frank will be getting the audit completed immediately. I personally think he should have it done immediately *ANYWAY* to prove he is 100% behind this company, and doesn't mind showing where QBID stands as it is.
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quote:Originally posted by bige2533: 10,335,000,000 Frank 53% Preferred
+ 5,500,000,000 Restricted
+ 3,665,000,000 Investors (Float)
Listen people, I don't know who started this rumor that preferred stock is included in the Outstanding shares with common stock, but it NEEDS TO STOP. Frank's 53% does not apply anymore.
Here is the breakdown:
Total OS = 19.5 billion Restricted = 5.5 billion Float = 14 billion
It's all laid out relatively clear in the PR. The preferred shares are not mentioned because there could be 3 preferred shares and if Frank owns two and Renee owns 1, that's all they need.
Repeat after me: PREFERRED STOCK DOES NOT MAKE UP OUTSTANDING SHARE COUNT FOR COMMON STOCK.
Honestly, you should not be investing if you cannot understand that. You cannot buy preferred stock. We don't even know what the share count on the preferred stock is, because it's all internal to the company, and merely determines who runs it.
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repeating... PREFERRED STOCK DOES NOT MAKE UP OUTSTANDING SHARE COUNT FOR COMMON STOCK.
I'm with you on this one which was why I posed my statement as a question. The figures seem to add up in looking at it as you outlined. However, where does it take into account what Frank would get upon a sale?
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They sponsor the International Gay Rodeo Association and they are filming this event in San Fran to be aired on Q Television. See the small print at the bottom...
San Francisco Gay Rodeo To Be Taped for Television Broadcast
San Francisco Bay Area's 14th Annual Gay Rodeo & Festival, the Best Buck in the Bay, is pleased to announce that Hero Unit Productions, Inc. of Nashville will be taping the event for broadcast on Q Television Network.
San Francisco, CA (PRWEB) August 23, 2005 -- San Francisco Bay Area's 14th Annual Gay Rodeo & Festival -- the Best Buck in the Bay -- is pleased to announce that Hero Unit Productions, Inc. of Nashville will be taping the event for broadcast on Q Television Network. The beautiful setting of Driscoll Ranches in La Honda, CA will serve as backdrop for two full days of rodeo action on Saturday, September 17th and Sunday, September 18th. The rodeo will feature men and women from across the United States and Canada competing for buckles in all 13 gay rodeo events including Bull Riding, Bareback Bronc Riding, Barrel Racing, and the Wild Drag Race.
This rodeo is one of 11 rodeos sanctioned by the International Gay Rodeo Association that will be covered by Hero Unit Productions, Inc in 2005 and will air on Q Television Network -- the Nation's premier LGBT television network. The Rodeo will be covered by multiple cameras and hosted by Brad Ecton, Jackie Enx of Q Television Network, and Tom "in the dirt" Sheridan. Nashville based singer songwriter Steff Mahan will be commentating as a special celebrity guest.
Gay rodeo began in 1976 in Reno, Nevada and inspired what has become the International Gay Rodeo Association. Regional gay rodeos are now produced every year throughout North America. However, this year marks the first time that these rodeos have gained the attention of a large television audience. For many viewers, this will be their introduction to the sport in which men and women compete in every event, and in the gender with which they self-identify. Additionally, viewers will get to experience much of the color and character that makes gay rodeo such an enjoyable activity for the thousands of people that follow the series throughout the year.
"This is a great opportunity to highlight the diverse community we serve. Gay rodeo is not just for gay men and women competing for a buckle. We have people who identify as gay, straight, bi, queer, trans... all with a common interest in the western lifestyle or just having a bit of fun in the dirt. We're thrilled to have Hero Unit Productions here to help bring this to more of our community," said Travis Gardner, Rodeo Director for this year's Best Buck in the Bay.
For more information on the Best Buck in the Bay and all of the scheduled events on rodeo weekend, visit http://www.bestbuckinthebay.com or call 415-561-9228.
ABOUT HERO UNIT PRODUCTIONS Hero Unit Productions, inc, an independent production company, is the country's largest producer of LGBT sports and is also a proud sponsor of the International Gay Rodeo Association. The board of Directors and Trustees of IGRA have given owners of Hero Unit Productions, Inc, Brad Ecton and Noel Hansen (Executive Director and President respectively), the great honor of being the first production company in IGRA's history to gain permission to produce IGRA sanctioned rodeos as sporting events for broadcast television.
ABOUT THE BEST BUCK IN THE BAY The Best Buck in the Bay is a Bud Light/IGRA Rodeo Series Event produced annually by the Golden State Gay Rodeo Association - Bay Area Chapter. GSGRA-BAC is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization chartered with educating the LGBT community about the country/western lifestyle through rodeo, dance and and royalty. The rodeo and festival will be held September 16 to 18 and provides numerous opportunities for the community to become involved. Proceeds from this year's event benefit GSGRA-BAC's designated beneficiary, Sunburst Projects -- a Bay Area organization supporting the needs of children living with HIV/AIDS and their families.
Wendy at Pridevision/OUTtv has stated in one of her last e-mails that they would be airing this production in Canada via "Q" encoder
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quote:Originally posted by bige2533: 10,335,000,000 Frank 53% Preferred
+ 5,500,000,000 Restricted
+ 3,665,000,000 Investors (Float)
Listen people, I don't know who started this rumor that preferred stock is included in the Outstanding shares with common stock, but it NEEDS TO STOP. Frank's 53% does not apply anymore.
Here is the breakdown:
Total OS = 19.5 billion Restricted = 5.5 billion Float = 14 billion
It's all laid out relatively clear in the PR. The preferred shares are not mentioned because there could be 3 preferred shares and if Frank owns two and Renee owns 1, that's all they need.
Repeat after me: PREFERRED STOCK DOES NOT MAKE UP OUTSTANDING SHARE COUNT FOR COMMON STOCK.
Honestly, you should not be investing if you cannot understand that. You cannot buy preferred stock. We don't even know what the share count on the preferred stock is, because it's all internal to the company, and merely determines who runs it.
G, i believe it was me that started the "rumor" about Franks preferred shares being included in the o/s....
now, i have since verified and confirmed the truth with our in house expert on share structure in my small cap trading room....
and yes G you are indeed correct...Preferred shares are not included in o/s....yes i will bow down!!!
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Preferred shares are NOT part of common share's O/S. Never has been in the history of the market. Thats why you put the owners shares in preferred. If preferred was part of o/s then why would you separte them. This is easy.
Preferred is a separate class of security and is not part of common shares. The common shares make up our O/S and float.
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Art, any luck getting that Cali Tag? I like the tag Dr.QBID
GO QBID!!!!! Bring On The Green
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Anything is possible in this market but I think what they did left a bad taste in many investors mouths. (ican)
But back to Q. They did this same thing on the CC last Nov. They left just enough unclear statement on o/s to make us fight on the board. And from the numbers given hear the one that showed a little higher then the others look to be right now.
I do have a question on the PR. It made it sound like the 6 billion restricted came due and then a new 5.5 billion was issued. That should give a clue on who is right in this matter.
"The share increase in 2004 was due to acquisitions, previously restricted shares coming due, and was prior to secured financing. The shares bargained in 2004 were strictly utilized for growing Q Television. TMM has no future intention of raising its outstanding share count and/or authorized share count. TMM will also buy back stock when liquidity is available."
We know float was around 4 billion at one point in 2004 and if 6 billion was sold on the market because restricted shares came due then float has to be 10 billion plus. Just an observation.
If you look at that then you can not include the 53% in the 14 billion. So it looks like the float is 14 billion.
"Shares Outstanding -- Triangle Multi Media (TMM), ticker: QBID (Q Television being a subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media) shares outstanding total fourteen billion and five and one-half billion shares restricted. The time constraints placed on the restricted stock is for three to five years."
JMHO
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quote:Did they actualy count them the free float, because there were also short naked sells, or not? that if the investigation is finnishd the free float could be much higher of those short naked sells? Some toughts?
Here's the deal, it looks as if Frank diluted about 10.5 billion since February 2004. That money has been used to fund good things, like expanding Q's library and buying a studio to reduce production costs, and bad things, like parties and coverage of the Superbowl. Some of the bad things could still be seen as helping "brand" Q, so they weren't total losses. All in all, that's about 15.5 million that was used to buy assets and other things.
The only other option Frank had, other than dilution, was debt. Investors shun away from both dilution *AND* debt, but if he plays his cards right and buys more stock back as Q starts to turn a profit, then we will see the PPS start to increase, and institutional investors will be jumping in.
Once QBID starts making a profit, this stock will no longer be trading under a penny. Most know this, and thus are buying now. With an offer of over 200 million made privately to Frank, it seems pretty clear to me that despite the dilution, he's created some SERIOUS value in the company.
A lot of people have given me crap because I won't back down on my position, but I still feel really good about my investment. I was VERY surprised to find that Frank had not diluted past 23 billion. While I'm not happy that he has diluted the way that he has, I have full confidence that he will restore QBID's PPS to levels above .01 within the year.
I bought even more stock in this a while back and will probably buy even more in the coming days. We'll see how things progress. I fully believe we may be seeing a reverse head and shoulders pattern. Unfortunately, we've yet to see the "head" portion. Once that happens, Trend reversal will be complete and this will start to move upward again.
If we do get an SEC reported audit complete and on their website, I can damn well guarantee you this will not be trading below a penny anymore.
quote:If this was a midcap, or even a blue chip, big volume with little or no volume almost always signifies accumulation before a major move up.
Whiz, you are entirely correct. While I would maybe take issue with the "major" move up that you speak of, I wouldn't be surprised if (after the formation of the head by another drop in the PPS) we don't see this break .0022.
I'm not going to go so far as to say this will happen next week, but it won't take more than a month or two. If a full audit is done and completed and we are fully-reporting, then this will easily break .0050, and might quickly head into the penny range.
It's not often that Pink Sheet stocks become fully reporting and move off the exchange, so if Frank does do it, you can be damn certain people will pay attention.
And I agree with you but the major move up just might be ignited by published audit in which case, as you pointed out, we will go through a penny & maybe stay there.
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quote: [QUOTE]If this was a midcap, or even a blue chip, big volume with little or no volume almost always signifies accumulation before a major move up.
By the way I meant to write "big volume with little or no movement in pps almost always signifies accumulation."
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im pretty sure it was you that pointed out that the audit would only be up to a certain date.
i believe it was.
if this is the case the audit would not include the 53% of franks stock that was converted. the audit is not done yet so we can only assume that they may be up to the beginning of the year or maybe the end of the first quarter.
I respect you opinion that we are all wrong and you are the only one that is right.
but i am going to bet against you on that one.
you are still playing the game and frankly you are off this time as well as when you stated that Frank has been diluting this to the 23 billion area.
You dont seem to read the prs very closely. there are hints in there as to when these numbers where included to.
so my guess is that our debt is a bit higher by the time the audit is done, but the share count is lower then what you are saying.
there is no need to attack me on this as this is my opinion just as much as your comments are your opinion. all im asking is that you stop with the your right and everyone else is wrong philosophy. get off the soap box and join the general population here.
we all have a common belief, that we are going to make money off of Q. there is no need to pump yourself up. if your right we will remember. if your wrong you will not forget.
lets just get along and bask in the fact that we have finally gotten some numbers out of Frank and wait for the final official results.
we are close, there is no sense in the constant bickering about this.
you have stated your position, i have stated mine now lets keep the post civil and work on reporting any news we find about our diamond in the rough.
Deal?
Rod
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quote:Originally posted by bige2533: 10,335,000,000 Frank 53% Preferred
+ 5,500,000,000 Restricted
+ 3,665,000,000 Investors (Float)
Listen people, I don't know who started this rumor that preferred stock is included in the Outstanding shares with common stock, but it NEEDS TO STOP. Frank's 53% does not apply anymore.
Here is the breakdown:
Total OS = 19.5 billion Restricted = 5.5 billion Float = 14 billion
It's all laid out relatively clear in the PR. The preferred shares are not mentioned because there could be 3 preferred shares and if Frank owns two and Renee owns 1, that's all they need.
Repeat after me: PREFERRED STOCK DOES NOT MAKE UP OUTSTANDING SHARE COUNT FOR COMMON STOCK.
Honestly, you should not be investing if you cannot understand that. You cannot buy preferred stock. We don't even know what the share count on the preferred stock is, because it's all internal to the company, and merely determines who runs it.
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my take on the 5.5 billion restricted is that the 6 billion that was set out last year is restricted for 3-5 years. im sure that the first 500 million came due recently which would have been what G invest has seen and thought was dilution.
dont forget to take into consideration that Frank has been quoted as owning 53% of the outstanding. and he just converted these shares.
the audit started several months before this conversion of Franks share, and since the audit is not done we can only conclude that the audit will be done up to the start date of the audit.
so taking into consideration these simple facts, and the following comments in the pr we have to assume that the audit is only done up till the end of the first quarter.
We are pleased with our year over year growth, our revenues have grown more than one hundred percent since Q1, 2004, our subscriber base has grown by three hundred percent in twelve months, our sponsorship will grow a staggering fifteen hundred percent in eleven months and our carriage expansion and visibility has far outpaced the industry standard", said Frank Olsen, President, CEO and Founder
pretty bold to me that they are telling us that it is partially completed up to March of this year, with was long before Frank converted 53% of the O/S that was only announced a couple weeks back.
do the math, do the English, and read the prs for what they are telling us, and you have to come to the conclusion that we are much lower in the o/s count then G feels we are at.
show me where im wrong, and i will listen.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Anything is possible in this market but I think what they did left a bad taste in many investors mouths. (ican)
But back to Q. They did this same thing on the CC last Nov. They left just enough unclear statement on o/s to make us fight on the board. And from the numbers given hear the one that showed a little higher then the others look to be right now.
I do have a question on the PR. It made it sound like the 6 billion restricted came due and then a new 5.5 billion was issued. That should give a clue on who is right in this matter.
"The share increase in 2004 was due to acquisitions, previously restricted shares coming due, and was prior to secured financing. The shares bargained in 2004 were strictly utilized for growing Q Television. TMM has no future intention of raising its outstanding share count and/or authorized share count. TMM will also buy back stock when liquidity is available."
We know float was around 4 billion at one point in 2004 and if 6 billion was sold on the market because restricted shares came due then float has to be 10 billion plus. Just an observation.
If you look at that then you can not include the 53% in the 14 billion. So it looks like the float is 14 billion.
"Shares Outstanding -- Triangle Multi Media (TMM), ticker: QBID (Q Television being a subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media) shares outstanding total fourteen billion and five and one-half billion shares restricted. The time constraints placed on the restricted stock is for three to five years."
JMHO
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"IF" she had a death in the family, my sympathy to her, however I think this recent exchange lets us know where she stands:
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Member Rated: posted 04 June, 2005 16:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I never left...lol
Just moved in to the LURK mode.
Still make my living trading.
Still addicted....lol
Still have the turkey baister but gave up QBID a long time ago.....
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Member Rated: posted 04 June, 2005 16:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep I think that everyone gave up on QBID a long time ago, of course for everyone who leaves there are 2-3 more believers. I am not sure if Lil is still holding any as she does post on the thread sometimes. Just not the same on that thread with all the regulars gone
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Sadly she really pumped this stock, offering to pay for hotel rooms in Vegas, etc. That's what I've got against pumpers, even more than bashers (hello, DavidJanas!!!)
They create false expectations, then when the hype doesn't arrive, people get discouraged and sell~usually at a loss, but the pumpers got theirs and got out.
So, DavidJanas, where was this week's 4-fold price increase?
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quote:Originally posted by jackpot: What happened to Diana......what a loser. She's the one that started this piece of sh** rolling.
She had a very, very close family member die and I don't think that things have been the same for her ever since. But I would not expect you to feel for anyone.
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: the audit started several months before this conversion of Franks share, and since the audit is not done we can only conclude that the audit will be done up to the start date of the audit.
so taking into consideration these simple facts, and the following comments in the pr we have to assume that the audit is only done up till the end of the first quarter.
JMHO
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So your saying that the shares used to aquire the new studio will not have been included when the audit is released?
I don't remember the cost of the studio, anyone?
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G, just as a correction, where does it say an offer of 200 million?
quote:Once QBID starts making a profit, this stock will no longer be trading under a penny. Most know this, and thus are buying now. With an offer of over 200 million made privately to Frank, it seems pretty clear to me that despite the dilution, he's created some SERIOUS value in the company.
This is Franks quote:
quote:Q Television's current value is two hundred million dollars, or ten times the market capitalization that the market has put on our trading stock,
He did say how ever,
quote:We have been offered a low eight-figure deal for our company, and we refused.
Just though I would point this out
quote:Originally posted by g-invest:
quote:Did they actualy count them the free float, because there were also short naked sells, or not? that if the investigation is finnishd the free float could be much higher of those short naked sells? Some toughts?
Here's the deal, it looks as if Frank diluted about 10.5 billion since February 2004. That money has been used to fund good things, like expanding Q's library and buying a studio to reduce production costs, and bad things, like parties and coverage of the Superbowl. Some of the bad things could still be seen as helping "brand" Q, so they weren't total losses. All in all, that's about 15.5 million that was used to buy assets and other things.
The only other option Frank had, other than dilution, was debt. Investors shun away from both dilution *AND* debt, but if he plays his cards right and buys more stock back as Q starts to turn a profit, then we will see the PPS start to increase, and institutional investors will be jumping in.
Once QBID starts making a profit, this stock will no longer be trading under a penny. Most know this, and thus are buying now. With an offer of over 200 million made privately to Frank, it seems pretty clear to me that despite the dilution, he's created some SERIOUS value in the company.
A lot of people have given me crap because I won't back down on my position, but I still feel really good about my investment. I was VERY surprised to find that Frank had not diluted past 23 billion. While I'm not happy that he has diluted the way that he has, I have full confidence that he will restore QBID's PPS to levels above .01 within the year.
I bought even more stock in this a while back and will probably buy even more in the coming days. We'll see how things progress. I fully believe we may be seeing a reverse head and shoulders pattern. Unfortunately, we've yet to see the "head" portion. Once that happens, Trend reversal will be complete and this will start to move upward again.
If we do get an SEC reported audit complete and on their website, I can damn well guarantee you this will not be trading below a penny anymore.
quote:If this was a midcap, or even a blue chip, big volume with little or no volume almost always signifies accumulation before a major move up.
Whiz, you are entirely correct. While I would maybe take issue with the "major" move up that you speak of, I wouldn't be surprised if (after the formation of the head by another drop in the PPS) we don't see this break .0022.
I'm not going to go so far as to say this will happen next week, but it won't take more than a month or two. If a full audit is done and completed and we are fully-reporting, then this will easily break .0050, and might quickly head into the penny range.
It's not often that Pink Sheet stocks become fully reporting and move off the exchange, so if Frank does do it, you can be damn certain people will pay attention.
I have a problem with the numbers though. Frank did this on the last CC too back in Nov. You can interpret the numbers many different ways and so you really still don't know the truth. This caused many to fight last year over the same thing. Unless he states float then he really isn't giving a true picture. And the 53% is looking to cause a rift here even though preferred shares are not part of the common O/S. The first two and last two, I don't believe because preferred is never said as part of o/s but others do so I will list it. Here they are.
1) 14 billion + 5.5 restricted for 19.5 billion o/s with Frank holding 53% of that.
4) 14 billion o/s with 5.5 billion of that being restricted. Leaving float at 9 billion. (You could read it that way if you wanted to.)
5) 14 billion o/s with 5.5 billion of that being restricted. (Frank owns 53% of 9 billion)
6) 14 billion o/s with 5.5 billion of that being restricted. (Frank owns 53% of 14 billion)
But at least he didn't say on the books this time instead of o/s, lol. But I like the price it is at right now as long as Frank keeps his promise not to dilute anymore shares. Looks like a good buy.
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hello all..right now it is 6 am california time.i think today or tomorow we are going to have a pr related to qbids upcoming events ...i think this should push us past the .0017 mark ..
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quote:Originally posted by davidjanas: hello all..right now it is 6 am california time.i think today or tomorow we are going to have a pr related to qbids upcoming events ...i think this should push us past the .0017 mark ..
I believe that you are right Here is to believing.
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Black Widow: What is very interesting is that I cannot find that post from June 04 2005 anywhere on the past threads, now is that interesting or made up But I could care less because I am a believer in this stock.
Long, strong and holding
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DJ, it will take a great PR so let's not count on any PPS movement unless it's a PR that will rock your socks
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Religious groups link Hurricane to gay event Christopher Curtis, Gay.com/PlanetOut.com Network Thursday 1 September, 2005 11:32 | More from this date | Today's headlines
An organisation of Christian fundamentalists claims the destruction brought on by Hurricane Katrina is God's judgment against New Orleans for holding festivals like the annual gay Southern Decadence party.
"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," said Repent America director Michael Marcavage on the organisation's Web site.
"From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same."
Southern Decadence, which was scheduled for the country’s Labour Day weekend, has since been cancelled.
The comments from Repent America come as New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin noted Katrina probably killed thousands of people in the Crescent City.
"Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster," Marcavage said. "However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long."
Repent America's Web site noted New Orleans' past three mayors issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to Southern Decadence. The Web site also noted the "New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognising the annual homosexual celebration."
"May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded, adding a biblical citation from Matthew 5:45: "[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
The Rev Dr Cindi Love, executive director of the Metropolitan Community Churches (MCC), quoted back from the Bible. "Jeremiah 29 says, 'I have good plans for you, not plans to hurt you. I will give you hope and a good future.' We rest on these promises."
"I feel sad that anyone is taking advantage of the suffering of people when they are so vulnerable," Love told the GAY.COM/PlanetOut Network. "So, I am praying for our brothers and sisters who are blaming gays and lesbians for this disastrous hurricane.”
“I ask them to use their energy to pray for those afflicted and to take the resources being used to attack gays and lesbians and use them to provide relief. There are far more 'straight' people, including children, suffering in this incident than gay people. I don't believe God punishes any of us with natural disasters, and I believe that God is with us in this one all the way through."
Love added that the MCC was organising a relief effort.
"The scripture that comes to my mind is 'Jesus wept,'" said the Rev Susan Russell, president of Integrity, an LGBT Episcopal group.
"Jesus weeps today for the loss of life in New Orleans and he weeps that his gospel is being hijacked by the rabid rhetoric of the religious right -- that is in its own way as destructive to our national fabric as Hurricane Katrina has been."
"What needs to happen is people of all backgrounds need to unite and focus instead on helping bring supplies to the people in need," Russell said. "Hurricane Katrina did not discriminate in its path of destruction, and neither does God's love."
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Hold on everyone! Jennifer posted that she thougth the numbers were from the quarter ended March 31, 2005. If she is correct, Frank's shares ARE included in the O/S due to the simple fact that he had not converted his shares at that time. If Jennifer has reason to believe this is fact, then I believe her as she has given us solid DD before, but if I remember correctly she "thought" it was from the 1st Qtr in which case it needs to be verified. That is the main reason some of us argue the NUMBERS include Franks shares, but not that Preferred Shares are included in the Common Stocks O/S share total, as G-invest pointed out. He is correct though, if these numbers are current, they DO NOT include the Preferred Shares. All we need to know is as of what date these numbers come from, before or after Frank converted his shares.
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Sorry PT, I got ahead of myself on my last post, lol. As I continue to catch up I see you make the same point about not knowing what date these numbers reflect. Nice work.
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Religious groups link Hurricane to gay event Christopher Curtis, Gay.com/PlanetOut.com Network Thursday 1 September, 2005 11:32 | More from this date | Today's headlines
An organisation of Christian fundamentalists claims the destruction brought on by Hurricane Katrina is God's judgment against New Orleans for holding festivals like the annual gay Southern Decadence party.
"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," said Repent America director Michael Marcavage on the organisation's Web site.
"From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same."
Southern Decadence, which was scheduled for the country’s Labour Day weekend, has since been cancelled.
The comments from Repent America come as New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin noted Katrina probably killed thousands of people in the Crescent City.
"Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster," Marcavage said. "However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long."
Repent America's Web site noted New Orleans' past three mayors issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to Southern Decadence. The Web site also noted the "New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognising the annual homosexual celebration."
"May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded, adding a biblical citation from Matthew 5:45: "[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
The Rev Dr Cindi Love, executive director of the Metropolitan Community Churches (MCC), quoted back from the Bible. "Jeremiah 29 says, 'I have good plans for you, not plans to hurt you. I will give you hope and a good future.' We rest on these promises."
"I feel sad that anyone is taking advantage of the suffering of people when they are so vulnerable," Love told the GAY.COM/PlanetOut Network. "So, I am praying for our brothers and sisters who are blaming gays and lesbians for this disastrous hurricane.”
“I ask them to use their energy to pray for those afflicted and to take the resources being used to attack gays and lesbians and use them to provide relief. There are far more 'straight' people, including children, suffering in this incident than gay people. I don't believe God punishes any of us with natural disasters, and I believe that God is with us in this one all the way through."
Love added that the MCC was organising a relief effort.
"The scripture that comes to my mind is 'Jesus wept,'" said the Rev Susan Russell, president of Integrity, an LGBT Episcopal group.
"Jesus weeps today for the loss of life in New Orleans and he weeps that his gospel is being hijacked by the rabid rhetoric of the religious right -- that is in its own way as destructive to our national fabric as Hurricane Katrina has been."
"What needs to happen is people of all backgrounds need to unite and focus instead on helping bring supplies to the people in need," Russell said. "Hurricane Katrina did not discriminate in its path of destruction, and neither does God's love."
Someone get me Michael Marcavage so I can go stick an act of God right up his ***. The lack of intelligence continually exuded by some public figures amazes me. This sort of dark age thinking is an embarassment to our country.
Maybe we should send him and Pat Robertson to Venezuela for a vacation. I will sell some of my stock just to chip in some funds for their flight.
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quote:Originally posted by polo1110: You have got to love that stuff Liggie. That's the ignorance and bigotry that gets Logo, Here, and Q free exposure.
And creates suicide bombers, wars, etc...
Sorry all, I am not trying to head down the political road on this one, but people like this moron really piss me off. I think the fact we are rolling around to September again just has me a little tense and it is this sort of fanatical religious bs that created many of the issues we are still dealing with today.
Breathe in, breathe out... Hey Doc I need a scrip!
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can you believe the slow day today..under 30 mil
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I know how you feel. I blew up over the Kraft Foods sponsorship thing. I would still encourage members to email Kraft and thank them for supporting the gay community to combat all these people who write them to say how appauled they are that they would do such a thing and will not buy Kraft products b/c of it. Idioteque (as the great Radiohead song says). It personally makes me want to buy only Kraft products, but then I realize that they are probably doing it to simply make more money. lol. What a world we live in.
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The MMs got to be running out of shares soon.
I dont know anyone in my circle thats selling and I seriously doubt any on this board are at these prices. I would suspect even the daytraders have got to be sitting on their hands right now.
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Happy Thursday everyone...I don't know about you all but I'm looking forward to the 3 day weekend woo hoo! I'm gonna have a big bbQ (beer, burgers, QBID) Saturday. It's time to kick back and relax and prepare for qbids long haul into penny land. Last time I had a bbQ the topic of discussion was qbid, and I am sure with a few drinks most of the same arguments and bragging rights to how many shares we each own will have come up. So Sept 5th (Q's Anniversary) is Monday. Any predictions for next week? If the market is closed monday (is it???), Tuesday would be a nice day to see some action. I can't seem to remember where I read it, but Q recently (maybe it was Franks letter to investors) said they will be holding an investor conference at the end of August? Am I correct? Does anyone expect news on this prior to the release of the confirmed audit/financials? Whatever the case I feel content with my investment here in qbid. We are going places people, its all a matter of time! On that note, very calm day, but thats just fine with me, cause there won't be many days like this left in the future baby. Have a great day everyone:)
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