Those posts that attempted to discredit the progress of QTN (for almost two years) are now laughable-------Supposedly, QTN was not really broadcasting in the cities listed in the PR because nobody on this board had viewed it!
I don't know what the pps will be Monday or next month or next year.
I do know that QBID has made much more progress than many, many stocks that are trading at much higher pps.
We are moving forward----perhaps not as quickly as some daytraders need to stay afloat.
Last summer, a poster was doing cash withdrawals on his credit card and selling at a profit.
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I truely believe this could be a 100x return easy from these prices if not more. The way I look at it is ...the worst that could happen, you invest 1000$ and somehow they disappear and the stock goes to ZERO (seems impossible yes). With that scenario, you lose $1000. If you are investing in any stock, you should only be trading what you could afford to lose.
On the other hand, if the stock is valued at 3 billion next year (which is more than possible) divided by an estimate of 6 billion shares, they are worth .50/share each. .0014 to .50 = 357x your money. Your $1000 becomes $357,000...
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quote:Originally posted by whizknock: So if we're pretty sure Frank will sell, what's the possible bottom line?
This is what I see,,,
Lets take a look at what some would see as worst case scenario. Lets say we see a published audit with 20 or even 25 billion shares out there. I for one am almost sure that's a very high guess. But for the sake of argument lets say it's 25 billion.
Buy next year the games get coverage, we don't even show a profit yet but revenues will have spiked from the games & a modest 100,000 subscriptions which will be growing at a respectable pace. If that holds up QBID will have already surpassed the value of BET when it was sold. Say Frank lets this thing go at 3 billion dollars.
Three billion dollars makes 25 billion shares worth .12 a share!
What if the audit is really bad, 50 billion shares? You're still looking at SIX CENTS A SHARE! I can't speak for anyone else here but if I'm getting paid SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for every two grand I plunk down today I won't cry for any more than a minute.
Now for the good news!
Lets say the audit shows 10 billion shares outstanding (which I still believe is a high estimate) & everything else I said still holds up. First thing I can tell you, if that's the case, frank will not be letting this go for three billion. But say he does. Now we're looking at a FLAT VALUE OF THIRTYTRHEE CENTS A SHARE!
I'm not done!
The reason Frank is having a professional audit done is to provide suitors with a clean bill of health for QBID. Moving to another exchange will be a fringe benefit that will make the product shine a little more.
Remember the PR about reducing its Tradable Stock by Fifty-Three Percent?
"We converted QBID shares into preferred stock, eliminating fifty-three percent of the tradable outstanding shares. We are confident this will strengthen the demand for our stock, and dry up the supply of trading shares that we feel are being manipulated in the market," said Olsen. "Converting our common stock into preferred stock will allow us to retain voting rights, but will also squeeze out the large short position in the stock. Q Television will continue to be as aggressive as possible, and do everything necessary to ensure our shareholders are treated fairly." .....................................................................
This isn't about manipulation! Frank doesn't give a $h!t about MMs. Well maybe a little bit but this was about polishing the product.
Frank's not trying to take 53% of three billion dollars. His major concern was absolute control over his company. Frank will be more than happy with a couple hundred million bucks. Again, this was another move not to scare off potential suiters. Hold that thought!
Personally I like Frank having complete control. Let's just pretend that that Frank, you know, the same Frank that has already sold a profitable media enterprise to Sumner Redstone. Lets just pretend he really wants this thing to be sold & actually kept the share count at or around 4 billion outstanding or less & lets pretend we're even close to actually reporting a profit by the end of the second quarter of 2006.
He will sell! He will sell while he has the attention of major players! And it will not be for three billion dollars! Now you're looking at a bare minimum of 5 billion dollars Maybe as much as 7 billion. If QBID actually showing a profit & we're getting international attention in 40 countries you could even make an argument for,,,,use your imagination!!!!
The hell with it! I'll stay with 5 billion dollars. Factor in Frank's 53% controlling interest which has now been reduced to a handfull of super voting shares & we're starting to see the big picture.
FIVE BILLION DOLLARS & FOUR BILLION SHARES!
This will not come as a huge surprise to me because Genuine Broadcasting National TV Networks do not trade for less than a dollar a share.
I've said it many times. I will not begin to liquidate my core position until I see $1.25 a share!
From my very humble vantage point,,,
"All we ever had to do is launch!"
My main concern with Frank selling is that we own Triangle Multimedia shares (a shell as some call it.) Will the shares of TMM move with QBID(QTN) or will we own TMM shares without a product. Hopes that makes sense.
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Whiz the new board is a good idea. Right on time. Thanks for your input on Q's value. I just got back from a few days in Reno. Nothing to compare to the bet I have on QTV.
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quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: Whiz the new board is a good idea. Right on time. Thanks for your input on Q's value. I just got back from a few days in Reno. Nothing to compare to the bet I have on QTV.
I've only been to Reno once! Loved it! Hope you had a great time!
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Yea, I've been to Reno umpteen times. Lived there for a time as a kid. Its changed immensely since the early sixties. I'm visiting family in Caliornia. Will be heading back to Iowa in a couple of weeks. I hope I did'nt disrupt the board by getting into this trip. At least i'm not bashing Q.
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quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: Whiz the new board is a good idea. Right on time. Thanks for your input on Q's value. I just got back from a few days in Reno. Nothing to compare to the bet I have on QTV.
I've only been to Reno once! Loved it! Hope you had a great time!
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You are not much different. You're just flat out obsessed. I have never seen anyone put that much effort into being annoying but then again you and Roadrunner are related if not the same.
quote:Originally posted by shlik: This is like going to Vegas. If you find your getting too obsesed with stocks,and loosing lots of money, then you are most likely a compulsive gambler, not an investor.
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A discussion from another investor. This has been posted before and does make sense:
I just got back from dinner with some fellow QBID investors. The topic of QBID's future pps popped up...and from our discussion...this is what we came up with...keep in mind that three of the other investors are very conservative engineers...You should have seen the table clothe when we were done...chicken scratch everywhere...lol
1 Year PPS projection
20-30 Million Gays and Lesbians in the US (that are out of the closet...this is a very conservative stat)
3% ROI (marketing effort)= 900,000 subscribers by year 1
900,000 x $9.95 = $8,955,000 x 50% (industry standard...cable companies cut) = $4,477,500/mo or $53,730,000/year
Advertisment/Founding Sponsor program...20 spots at $250,000 per advertiser or $5,000,000/year
Industry average is $2,500.00 per commercial x 8-10 commercials per hour or $20,000 per hour x 8760 hours per year (24/7 programming) = $175,200,000/year
Total Revenue
$53,730,000 (subscription per year based on 900K subscribers by year 1) $5,000,000 (Founding Sponsor program based on 20 spots) $175,200,000 (Commercials based on Industry standards of $2500 per commercial/8-10 per hour...24/7 programming)
Total Revenue by year 1
$233,930,000/year
Expenses (assuming 40%)
$93,572,000
Net Operating Income
$140,358,000
Per-share earnings
$140,358,000 / 4.5 Billion (assuming 9 Billion OS...after buyback of 50%) = .0311 earnings per share
assuming a very conservative (S&P) PE ratio of 18 and 20...
P/E of 18 = .56 pps P/E of 20 = .62 pps
However...QBID is a very speculative stock...and could possibly have a P/E ratio of 30, 40 or 50...
P/E of 30 = .93 pps (our pick by year 1) P/E of 40 = $1.24 pps P/E of 50 = $1.55 pps
We agreed that a PE ratio of 30 was very conservative for such a speculative stock...if QBID's soft launch goes off without a hitch...and they PR a major advertiser within one week of the soft launch...our views of QBID being a short term hold will change...we would consider holding a position long term (1-3 years)
.93 x 4.5 Billion = $4.185 Billion Market cap...
At this stage of the game the market cap is the value that the world of stock market investors has placed on the company (at least for today) Much of this perceived value is due to the expectations of a company's future prospects. Market cap is not dictated by how "big" a company is.
Here are some related links on advertising and calculating PE ratios...
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Hi everyone! good to see the Q crew tearing it up with the DD. I have not found another PINK with as much potential as Q! of course im sure SOMEONE out there has some company they think is worth pumping more, and dont say CMKX because im left with 18,350,000 CMKX and it doesnt look good right now. However I am holding 703,000 Q which I think will bring me enough money to put a smile on my face. some of you smart ones are holding over 2 million.
ANYWAY what i was wanting to write on this post was about the posibility of us Q shareholders getting dividens in another company. im thinking not really at this time, but things do happen and we will be surprised. any thoughts on this?
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Another QBID thread? Really QBID needs it's own board. Think of all the usefull DD wasted evertime a new thread is created... I think it would be quite usefull to be able to go back and read many of the posts from the begining or anypoint along the way.
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My main concern with Frank selling is that we own Triangle Multimedia shares (a shell as some call it.) Will the shares of TMM move with QBID(QTN) or will we own TMM shares without a product. Hopes that makes sense. [/QB][/QUOTE] ========================================================
Hi Clyde,
Frank answered your question in the CC last year. He is on record (vocal and text) all over the internet stating that QBID stockholders own QTN.
I have heard it and read it several times.
Frank said, "Who owns QTN? You do, QBID stockholders."
Could he actually be putting all of this effort into securing a cell for himself?
quote:Originally posted by DeportTheWitless: Another QBID thread? Really QBID needs it's own board. Think of all the usefull DD wasted evertime a new thread is created... I think it would be quite usefull to be able to go back and read many of the posts from the begining or anypoint along the way.
I have to say DTW, I agree with you on that.
I think it would be very useful to be able to go back to those early threads, the days leading up to last springs jump, and the gradual ride down to where we are today.
A couple of months back I re-read all the posts from Feb2004 thru April2004 and it was very interesting.
It would only help to give everyone(on both sides) a better perspective on the big picture here. And I think it would be fun also.
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My main concern with Frank selling is that we own Triangle Multimedia shares (a shell as some call it.) Will the shares of TMM move with QBID(QTN) or will we own TMM shares without a product. Hopes that makes sense.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde_Crashcup: Do you think that if a sale occured, the shareholder would receive X amount per share held? Would the shares transfer to the new company?
for almost a year now, i've been asking the company, the state of washington sos, the folks on this board, and anybody else listening--could the corporation q television network, inc be sold, spun-off, merged, ipo'd, or anything else from the parent company triangle multimedia limited??
the answer from the wa sos last year was "yes, why couldn't they be"
that has not changed as far as i know. now the question i have been asking the company, the ir guy richard, and this board is--where is q television network, inc licensed as a corporation??
no response. at all. from anyone.
the state of washington has told me that triangle multimedia limited's license expired 5/31/05 and was renewed 7/25/05. q television network, inc's license also expired on 5/31/05. they also told me that if no action was taken on qtn by 9/1/05, the corporation would be "administratively dissolved" by the state.
that raises the question to me--why WASN'T it renewed??
we know that q television network, inc is a "wholly owned subsidiary" of triangle multimedia limited. so, yes we own it--IF any of the actions i described above hasn't happened. but then why not renew it?? why not say anything about the current or future status of qtn??
i don't have to believe what they say or don't say. there are rules that they (like any other corporation) have to follow. i should be able to find this information through research--because it's PUBLIC information.
here's a question for you--is qtn operating without a license?? WHY??
if it's not, then what state is it NOW incorporated in??
why is frank keeping this information (along with all the other pertinent stuff like share structure, etc) so shrouded in secrecy?? and from the very people (longs) who have been supporting this enterprise with their hard-earned dollars--us little folk.
said it before, and it's not just this stock it applies to (and i know i'm not the only person that thinks this way--listen to the analysts on cnbc say the same thing about their big board stocks also)---UNCERTAINTY hurts the stock price. the market can allow for good news and bad news--but it punishes uncertainty.
maybe this is all no big deal. then why not say so??
as i've said before, i'm not among the 'chosen' to get responses from the company or richard. maybe one of you folks will fare better....
trash me away folks, won't change the situation.......
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Q televison which we all own is the TV network. Anytime you hear news it is about Q television not triangle. So that being said we own the product. If Frank was to merge the two companies we would then own triangle and Q television. I would not be worried about this issue at all. Q television has the deal with cox. Q television owns the studio. Q television is the one bringing in income. Q television owns everything so if something happens to Q television (merger/buyout) we benefit from it. As for the license it would be in another state. They must have it renewed or once again COX would not be dealing with them. Simple as that.
Yes a lot of questions are not answered, but that goes for every company out there. They don't tell us everything. I look at it this way. In the business world big companies like COX and TW don't deal with scams and companies without solid products and support(inner). They run companies through the firing squad before they deal with them. Simple as that.
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Well said pennies, It just blows me away how many people want to save me from this stock, Im a big boy and can make my own calls, that said, I still think this stock will make it but if not who cares!!! ive made well over 100 grand in one day and lost just as much, im up and down 10-15 grand a day most days, thats the game if you cant take that this is not for you i love trading and have a great life seams that some can not say the same, ie JACKAZZ,DEPORTTHEWITLESS,HELL ALL YOU NAY SAYERS WHY DO YOU POST?? DUMP THIS TRADE AND MOVE ON, YES YOU ARE GOING TOO LOSE SOME PLAYING THE MARKET, BUT YOU JUST CANT WIN IF YOUR NOT PLAYING. Stop crying and move on.
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The stock is down, and I blame myself for that because I haven't shown the shareholders where Q Television has been and where it is today.
REALLY FRAUDSTER? I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE SHARE PRICE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU. FAILED LAUNCH IN 2000 AND YOU PROMISED A UPGRADE. THAT WAS $7-MILLION. YOU GAVE US ALL SORTS OF STORIES ABOUT INTERNAL CONFLICT, ETC. THEN YOU CAME AROUND AND TOLD US ABOUT 3 BUYBACKS AND UPGRADES. BOTH OF THEM, NOT JUST BUYBACKS BUT YOU TOLD US UPGRADE 3 TIMES. THEN YOUR BUDDY RENEE SLIPS UP AND TELLS US YOU CAN'T UPGRADE. JUST CAUSE YOU PUT OUT BILLIONS OF MORE SHARES AND THEN ANNOUNCE A BUYBACK MAKES PERFECT SENSE. I REMEMBER WHEN I OWED A BUDDY $10 AND I BORROWED $10 FROM HIM TO PAY BACK THE $10 I OWED HIM. IT ALL WORKED OUT; MAKES PERFECT SENSE. SHOOT, YOU EVEN RETIRED SHARES. WTG FRAUDSTER.
THAT'S OK THOUGH, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU FRANK THE FRAUDSTER.
YOUR MATH DOESN'T ADD UP EITHER FRANK THE FRAUD OLSEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT AND NO INCOME. $9+ MILLION THIS YEAR, 1.5-MILLION OVER 4 YEARS AND $7-MILLION ON FAILURE IN 2000. THIS IS 2005 FRAUDSTER, AND BUSINESS PRINCIPALS DON'T APPLY AT ALL. THE WHOLE INTERNET PICTURE SAYS IT ALL, YOU DON'T NEED REVENUE AT ALL AND THAT'S OLD SCHOOL BUSINESS. TODAY'S BUSINESS MODEL ISSUES STOCK SHARES AND SELLS THEM AT PUBLIC AND KEEPS DOING IT THAT'S HOW GOOD BUSINESS DOES IT AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT GOOD BUSINESS SENSE YOU MAKE FRAUDSTER. ALL THE LIES ABOUT OFFICES HERE AND THERE, Q-MOBILES, YOU HAVE THIS GOING, THAT GOING, ETC.ETC.ETC. I'M GOING TO ASSURE YOU FRANK THE FRAUDSTER, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
IT HAS TO DO WITH NAKED SHORTS AND THE MARKET MAKERS THAT ARE REALLY OUT TO GET QBID. YOUR EVEN GOING TO LOOK INTO IT AND HIRE THIS PERSON AND THAT PERSON AND THIS FIRM AND THAT FIRM. YOU GO FRANK THE FRAUD OLSEN.
NOW YOUR GOING TO MAKE A DVD FOR SHAREHOLDERS TO SHOW THEM WHERE THEY ARE GOING. YOU ARE THE MAN FRAUDSTER AND WITHOUT YOU, QBID ISN'T ANYTHING.
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For new investors on this board, here is how U4TSAF2 really feels about QBID. (When he's not bashing it down to pick up more cheap shares, that is...)
SMART INVESTORS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TRIANGLE MULTI-MEDIA AS STATED BY U4TSAF2, FROM THE INVESTMENT FIRM OF U4GETRICH. OVER THE PAST 6 WEEKS THIS STOCK HAS SURGED 10,000 PERCENT AND SHOWS NO SIGNS OF GOING BACKWARDS. AT THE CLOSE OF MARKET ON TUESDAY APRIL 13, 2004 QBID HAS ANOTHER SURGE OF 80% WITH A TRADING VOLUME OF OVER 1.5 BILLION SHARES. ACCORDING TO U4TSAF2 DATA, AGGRESSIVE INVESTORS SHOULD BE VESTED IN QBID.
THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR INVESTORS! FURTHERMORE, INVESTORS WILL BE VERY ENCOURAGED TO KNOW THAT THE SOFT BROADCAST DATE IS APPROXIMATELY 3 WEEKS AWAY. WHILE QBID HAS PREVIOUS FALLEN VICTIM TO IT'S OWN INFRASTRUCTURE OF BICKERING, THINGS APPEAR RIGHT ON TRACK FOR BROADCAST. ADDITIONALLY, WITH ALL THE MEDIA ATTENTION, U4TSAF2GETRICH CHIEF STOCKBROKER, U4TSAF2 IS ENCOURAGED WITH THE PARTICULAR EVENTS TAKING PLACE FROM THE MEDIA, TO THE CHURCH, TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PRESIDENT REGARDING GAY ISSUES.
CHIEF STOCKBROKER U4TSAF2 STATES "WE ARE SO VERY ENCOURAGED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF A SHARE BUYBACK ISSUED BY CEO FRANK OLSEN AND A BASIC NO SPLIT GUARANTEE"
QBID AGGRESSIVE SALES AND MARKETING EFFORTS ESTABLISH TRIANGLE TELEVISION IN A NEW FRONTIER IN TELEVISION PROGRAMMING SHOULD IN OUR OPINION "FULLLY CAPITALIZE ON EXPLOSIVE GROWTH" WHICH IS LIKELY CONSIDERING QBID WILL LEAD THE WAY ASIDE FROM THE DISENCHANTED ATTEMPTS BY VIACOM TO BECOME THE FIRST ALL GAY NETWORK WITH A CAPTIVE DOLLAR ADVERTISING VALUE AT $5 BILLION DOLLARS WITH THE GAY AND LESBIAN COMMUNITY BEING THE FASTEST GROWING ADVERTISING COMMUNITY.
THE STOCK CLOSED YESTERDAY WITH A HIGH OF .0103 AND FULL CLOSE AT .01
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quote:Originally posted by imakmony2005: Well said pennies, It just blows me away how many people want to save me from this stock, Im a big boy and can make my own calls, that said, I still think this stock will make it but if not who cares!!! ive made well over 100 grand in one day and lost just as much, im up and down 10-15 grand a day most days, thats the game if you cant take that this is not for you i love trading and have a great life seams that some can not say the same, ie JACKAZZ,DEPORTTHEWITLESS,HELL ALL YOU NAY SAYERS WHY DO YOU POST?? DUMP THIS TRADE AND MOVE ON, YES YOU ARE GOING TOO LOSE SOME PLAYING THE MARKET, BUT YOU JUST CANT WIN IF YOUR NOT PLAYING. Stop crying and move on.
I look at it this way. No one here is makling over 200k a year. So even if this company takes five years to get it's stuff together. In five years if you have a million shares you could easily be sitting on over a million dollars. I think that a dollar is a low price once we get moving. I am in for the long on this one. It costs under $5,000 and you have a few million. In the long run losing $5 grand isn't much at all when you look at what your return could be.
It could take another year to get the audit out, but look we are on COX and working a deal with TW. Let me know if you have any other stock at this price that is dealing with billion dollar companies and I will buy that too!
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