quote:Originally posted by juice: anyone watching last sale? its not just 9mill block after 9mill block after hours like I've seen countless time in the past. Lately it looks like legit trades. even tho richard says its mm's transferring shares why couldn't it be insider trading. pinks don't have to report that stuff and that can happen after hours. just something to think about. last 10 trades: 16:02:26 0.0015 2,478,600 16:02:26 0.0015 8,885,000 16:02:26 0.0015 9,000,000 16:01:50 0.0014 2,125,000 16:01:50 0.0014 862,100 16:01:50 0.0014 2,000,000 16:01:50 0.0014 300,000 16:01:50 0.0014 1,000,000 16:01:50 0.0014 7,800,000 16:01:50 0.0014 95,000 16:01:50 0.0014 1,400,000 16:01:50 0.0014 1,000,000 16:01:50 0.0014 360,000 16:01:50 0.0014 205,000 16:01:50 0.0014 550,000 16:01:50 0.0014 225,000 16:01:50 0.0014 142,800 16:01:50 0.0014 70,000 16:01:50 0.0014 565,000 16:01:50 0.0014 9,999,900
Juice glad you posted this......I have been saying all along that the 9M share blocks are MM transferring shares...this has been confirmed....when we see the AH trades at 9M shares, it is only MM transferring shares into a different account that is low...Yes it makes inflated volume, but i dont think that is the exact reason why the MM do it...
Although, with that being said,,,look at these trades,,,for anyone who has followed me, or my posts in the last couple months, i have said time after time, that when daytrading a stock you learn a lot about the trading aspect of it.....I said when you see a bunch of 9M share sells that these are not ACTUAL sells ....they are MM transferring shares...I said this because when somebody sells 9 M shares, it fills all the orders sitting on the bid, and then it shows up as like a 750K, 900K, 150K, 2.4M, etc share sell...
This Time sales slip shows exactly what i mean...this WAS A REAL SELL after hours, because it filled orders...see how it is all at the exact same time and all at the bid..the people with orders at 14 got filled...but it was somebody selling like 15M shares...
*This is what i have been trying to explain and im glad you posted this juice*
have a good night all
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Just a question..if last year we had 9 billion shares(53% was of Frank)..now 14(53% of Frank) so were does those 5 billion extra shares come from? imagin that I had last year 1 billion shares( I know its much, but to explain better) so then 11% of Qbid is of me, now if I take year 2005 I would own 7% and Frank still owns 53% so if Frank created them he gave himself more shares to still own 53% and I lost then 4%... reactions please...
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I thought it said in the PR that the extra shares came from acquisitions of other companies, right?
So, (I think) yes, you own less of the company, but so does Frank. I would assume those extra shares went into the float which we've ascertained is approx 6.5 bil. The volume the last 3 days has been nearly 40-50% of that.
Perhaps all of them didn't go into the float, maybe Frank bought some of them to maintain his percentage position. But yes, if you wanted to maintain your percentage, you would have to suck up more shares.
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quote:Originally posted by Akira_Lapin: I thought it said in the PR that the extra shares came from acquisitions of other companies, right? .
do you mean those prefered shares of 5 billion? I don't know who posted yesterday that link about what O/S means but I remember that it sad that preferded shares are included in the O/S so then it would be right, then it would be just the same as last year, but I see that Millertime says that Richard sad that they aren't included so that would mean 19 Billion shares but then the calculation wouldn't be right anymore about the PPS and I cant imagin that he created shares and then buys 2.5 billion shares to hold his position...
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I meant restricted shares, sorry Ive found it: Outstanding Shares – Outstanding shares includes all the shares issued by the company, which would be the restricted shares plus the float.
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quote:Originally posted by Akira_Lapin: I thought it said in the PR that the extra shares came from acquisitions of other companies, right? .
do you mean those prefered shares of 5 billion? I don't know who posted yesterday that link about what O/S means but I remember that it sad that preferded shares are included in the O/S so then it would be right, then it would be just the same as last year, but I see that Millertime says that Richard sad that they aren't included so that would mean 19 Billion shares but then the calculation wouldn't be right anymore about the PPS and I cant imagin that he created shares and then buys 2.5 billion shares to hold his position...
jonas, in my blatent opinion, you are a borderline basher that brings up posts and switches the words around...you ask obvious questions but pretend to not be to bright by typing in broken english etc...
it is starting to get old with you..and i am completely sorry if you actually are not very adept in stocks and are just asking, but to me, and it may only be me, but it seems like you are spreading fear and questions about the stock...
again, i say do not bring me up in your posts jonas....I SAID that Richard said that Frank included the preferred shares in the O/S! Stop the childish games because i do not like it when you take my comments out of context...
We will be fine Jonas as long as you dont mention my name or try and manipulate my words ...ok...i and many others know what you are up to, but i could really care less..so im sorry for being rude, but please jonas, all i ask is dont include me ok...thats all...you seem like a good person, (i give you the benefit of the doubt) but just dont include me...thanks, sorry for the harshness
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I suggest you cut your loses and sell and be done with QBID
quote:Originally posted by Jonas Inv.: Just a question..if last year we had 9 billion shares(53% was of Frank)..now 14(53% of Frank) so were does those 5 billion extra shares come from? imagin that I had last year 1 billion shares( I know its much, but to explain better) so then 11% of Qbid is of me, now if I take year 2005 I would own 7% and Frank still owns 53% so if Frank created them he gave himself more shares to still own 53% and I lost then 4%... reactions please...
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quote:Originally posted by Jonas Inv.: So what am I up to? really I like to know, why would I bash this if i have 9.5 mil shares of Q? to sell with a loss?
You said it the question is "IF" you have 9.5mil
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quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: jonas, in my blatent opinion, you are a borderline basher that brings up posts and switches the words around...you ask obvious questions but pretend to not be to bright by typing in broken english etc... it is starting to get old with you..and i am completely sorry if you actually are not very adept in stocks and are just asking, but to me, and it may only be me, but it seems like you are spreading fear and questions about the stock... again, i say do not bring me up in your posts jonas....I SAID that Richard said that Frank included the preferred shares in the O/S! Stop the childish games because i do not like it when you take my comments out of context... We will be fine Jonas as long as you dont mention my name or try and manipulate my words ...ok...i and many others know what you are up to, but i could really care less..so im sorry for being rude, but please jonas, all i ask is dont include me ok...thats all...you seem like a good person, (i give you the benefit of the doubt) but just dont include me...thanks, sorry for the harshness [/QB]
MT, it's not just you that have trouble with. I have had it and ignored for a while.
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you have no god remember? that is what you told me...you said you were an atheist!....so please, i too wish you would either leave or don't post... rather you realize it or not your just trouble all around.
quote:Originally posted by Jonas Inv.: Oh boy, some of you really need to take some rest, now I'm a basher again Oh my god
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Also want to point out that we still have monster volume & no movement! If this was a midcap, or even a blue chip, big volume with little or no volume almost always signifies accumulation before a major move up. The volume can preseed the move by a couple of months & sometimes less. All things considered I'm feeling pretty good about this position.
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ok lets say frank retired 53% of the shares to restricted stock or something.....thats still franks money right he will want to sell them at some point right making the os bigger?
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I doubt he will be getting rid of much of his shares. I'm guessing he'll wait for a buy out and then take his money. This doesn't mean he won't sell some of them, but the majority I'd think he'd keep. JMO
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See....those fluff pr's still can't move this thing from the dead. But wait till next week.... It will never get off the pink sheets. They sure have you all fooled.
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hey guys, friday will probably be my last purchase anyhow so .0015-.0016 would still be a bargain to me (current avg. .0016)...i just want to round up to an even 3mil just so that i can cover my a$$ on uncle sam's cut...2 for me 1 for him, right?
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Frank has to ensure that he owns at least 51% of the company. if he owns 4 billion and we owned 3.9 billion that is good. but if he dilutes say 2 billion more shares. now unless he takes 1 billion of the shares he dilutes, then he loses the 51% and now we become the majority share holder. If for some reason i had the money i could now buy up ever share available as they became available and technically could take a controlling interest of the company.
So to play it safe, Frank has to release 2 shares for every one that he wants to sell. one goes in his account and one up for sale. this way he maintains majority ownership of the company.
Hope that helps you understand it a bit better.
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quote:Originally posted by Jonas Inv.: Just a question..if last year we had 9 billion shares(53% was of Frank)..now 14(53% of Frank) so were does those 5 billion extra shares come from? imagine that I had last year 1 billion shares( I know its much, but to explain better) so then 11% of Qbid is of me, now if I take year 2005 I would own 7% and Frank still owns 53% so if Frank created them he gave himself more shares to still own 53% and I lost then 4%... reactions please...
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quote:Did they actualy count them the free float, because there were also short naked sells, or not? that if the investigation is finnishd the free float could be much higher of those short naked sells? Some toughts?
Here's the deal, it looks as if Frank diluted about 10.5 billion since February 2004. That money has been used to fund good things, like expanding Q's library and buying a studio to reduce production costs, and bad things, like parties and coverage of the Superbowl. Some of the bad things could still be seen as helping "brand" Q, so they weren't total losses. All in all, that's about 15.5 million that was used to buy assets and other things.
The only other option Frank had, other than dilution, was debt. Investors shun away from both dilution *AND* debt, but if he plays his cards right and buys more stock back as Q starts to turn a profit, then we will see the PPS start to increase, and institutional investors will be jumping in.
Once QBID starts making a profit, this stock will no longer be trading under a penny. Most know this, and thus are buying now. With an offer of over 200 million made privately to Frank, it seems pretty clear to me that despite the dilution, he's created some SERIOUS value in the company.
A lot of people have given me crap because I won't back down on my position, but I still feel really good about my investment. I was VERY surprised to find that Frank had not diluted past 23 billion. While I'm not happy that he has diluted the way that he has, I have full confidence that he will restore QBID's PPS to levels above .01 within the year.
I bought even more stock in this a while back and will probably buy even more in the coming days. We'll see how things progress. I fully believe we may be seeing a reverse head and shoulders pattern. Unfortunately, we've yet to see the "head" portion. Once that happens, Trend reversal will be complete and this will start to move upward again.
If we do get an SEC reported audit complete and on their website, I can damn well guarantee you this will not be trading below a penny anymore.
quote:If this was a midcap, or even a blue chip, big volume with little or no volume almost always signifies accumulation before a major move up.
Whiz, you are entirely correct. While I would maybe take issue with the "major" move up that you speak of, I wouldn't be surprised if (after the formation of the head by another drop in the PPS) we don't see this break .0022.
I'm not going to go so far as to say this will happen next week, but it won't take more than a month or two. If a full audit is done and completed and we are fully-reporting, then this will easily break .0050, and might quickly head into the penny range.
It's not often that Pink Sheet stocks become fully reporting and move off the exchange, so if Frank does do it, you can be damn certain people will pay attention.
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