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well, i'm off to bed. i hate to say it but i think the chit just hit the fan for the cult. if i'm UC & i found out the OG has this info i'd stay in S.A.....by the way didn't frizzy have this list??? john martin had to see it. but never bring it to the OG's attention??? must be what the confidentialty papers were for. but if i'm a lawyer that cared about my clients i'd let them know they need to stop buying shares.
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Dilution of the last 500 billon shares went to float so where did the money go this was over a period of time when the pps was a lot higher. I figure they at least avg. .0003 with this. So where is the 150 million dollars at? Of course, it takes around 25 million to sponsor a full year on a drag car. Two drag cars and a motorcycle. Billboard at a Nascar race. And those nasty slot machines were he met his partners.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: 500 billion shares on 4/30/2004????? Did they dump the shares for UC??????
Notice the name Sterling Collins & Sterling Collins II on this one sheet. Is this the same Sterling on Paltalk & RB? I understand he also lives in San Antonio.
Also, has anyone spotted their name and holdings on any these papers? The Master List is incomplete; I don't see mine listed.
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Now tell me how they increased the authorized without shareholder approval! Had to be something special (like a voting arrangement or a controlling preferred stock) or UC et al violated legal requirements for shareholder approvals. Could be his reason for taking the 5th. If this thing is not a fradulent SCAM, I have have no idea as to how to label it.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: well, i'm off to bed. i hate to say it but i think the chit just hit the fan for the cult. if i'm UC & i found out the OG has this info i'd stay in S.A.....by the way didn't frizzy have this list??? john martin had to see it. but never bring it to the OG's attention??? must be what the confidentialty papers were for. but if i'm a lawyer that cared about my clients i'd let them know they need to stop buying shares.
Obvious question there, bill, is did they serve their clients or did they (Frizzy and Martin) have another venue?
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Cobra, you are sounding all too familiar. What name did you post here under before you took the name Cobra? Of course, a cobra is a poisonous viper, huh?
Talk to you folks later.
PS: WOW!! This CMKX stock is really loads of laughable fun and a learning experience for many, many people who claim to know how to do DD.
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It was Sterling from RB. He admitted it. 9 billion shares to pump this. Willy should be jealous because he got under a billion lol. What a cool deal for Sterling. Hey at least everyone has his address now to serve him with the subpoena for his role in this scam.
By: stervc 22 Jul 2005, 07:14 AM EDT Msg. 240953 of 240964 (This msg. is a reply to 240934 by Sugarpaw.) Jump to msg. # Sugarpaw, about that Share List...
Hopefully people can now see that I was telling the truth. Urban did not give me 6 Billion shares or whatever the amount that some people were trying to say. It shows the 3,000,000 restricted shares as a gift as I had stated during that "pay it forward" fiasco.
To add, I have no idea who is Richard Collins that lives in Chicago who got 29,900,000 shares and has thus far surrendered (or sold) 5,000,000 shares, before inquiring minds begin to insinuate more things that are not true either.
To further add, Shanara Collins is my daughter in college and Sterling V. Collins II is my son who is now in the Air Force too. As you can see, no shares have been surrendered by me or my kids as it states which means that none of those shares have been sold. Again, it shows the 3,000,000 shares restricted. Please don't take what I had stated in the past the wrong way when I stated that 3,000,000 shares restricted of CMKX does not do a whole lot for my portfolio. I was not trying being arrogant, but it doesn’t as I was simply trying to prove a point.
From seeing all of the things that have been brought out in the light up to this point with CMKX, many people were given many shares for many reasons. Hopefully people can now see that I was telling the truth back then although I do see why many had thought why I might not have been telling the truth. I understand as I was not mad at them back then and I am not mad at them right now either.
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you are looking to much at the animal world. COBRACOBRA
Do some more DD.
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Wanted to let you all have your fun, but "surrendered" does not necessarily mean "sold". Retiring shares, something Urban told us he was doing, could also be "surrendered". Transferring shares to another "Casavant Controlled Company" would also be "surrendered". 40 billion of Urban's shares were transferred to Nevada Minerals as part of the buyin deal as was PR'd. But of course, you all immediately, use a piece of incomplete information, to twist into a charge of "scam".
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Since this information was held by the SEC, and it was evidence of a "scam" or pump and dump, why didn't they bring charges against Urban or at least use it in the hearing to clearly demonstrate to the judge what was going on?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: you mean this wasn't a scam Legal???
Glass, none of us can say whether it was or wasn't a scam until we have more information. That is my problem with Wallace and the Merry Men. They take any little piece of information that can be twisted and try to twist it into "SCAM". On the other hand, my background taught me to wait until all of the evidence is in, before you start making criminal accusations against a person. Diamond exploration is a "complex" world, it can't be interpreted by a "simple" mind.
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Get off the koolaid Legal. His whole family dumped and it also showed where the last 500 billion went to and it wasn't to JV's, sellers or UC. It was to market. And if you don't see it then you are really drinking too much. If you really want to believe that someone that has mislead you all the way gave his shares away instead of selling them then you are really sucked in and need help. It still remains that he only owned 1.2 billion after it was all said and done.
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Here's a good post by Sugarpaw in support of what I am saying.
By: Sugarpaw 22 Jul 2005, 07:04 AM EDT Msg. 240948 of 241088 (This msg. is a reply to 240934 by Sugarpaw.) Jump to msg. # Re: Casavant family document
another good post from PB32 by rbitulsa. Link below. ) Sugarpaw
rbitulsa: I have cert shares in my safe. On the T/A list, I will be shown as having been issued those shares. If I were to send those certs to my broker, to put into my trading account, the next T/A list that came out would show that I surrendered my shares. I did not sell them. I put them into street name, so I could trade them.
Point: Anyone here who chooses to replace "surrender" with "sell" is simply dead wrong. Yes, after the S-Restriction is removed and/or after they have surrendered the cert, they have the legal OPTION (and the right) to sell the shares. The "affiliate" insiders have to follow rules, pertaining to how many they can sell at a time (you can find those limits in Roger Glenn's Corporate Responsibilities paper). An insider with the option/right to sell shares shouldn't be shocking or disturbing to anyone.
Nothing anywhere in this list of issued and surrendered certs shows one insider selling one share period.
We know of approx. 61.5 billion shares issued to Casavants in cert form. We know 31 billion of UC's shares were surrendered for the Nevada Minerals deal, and as of last report, had been returned to the treasury in exchange for cash to Ed Dhonau. Of the remaining appx. 31.5 billion, we can see that 18 billion have been surrendered and some 12.5 billion are still held in cert form, so we know that the Casavants moved around 57% of their share out of their own name - these could have been sold back to the company, or they could be in the Casavants' brokerage accounts (I assume they have brokerage accounts), and held 43% of the shares they were issued in cert form (as of the report date). It also looks obvious that UC likely controls the numbered companies, and maybe some other entities on the list as well.
Simple fact is, this list tells us a whole lot of nothing.
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They said why in court. They mentioned this. But they said that they were keeping it a filing error unless the court did let other evidence in. Also if you look at the original complaint filed by the SEC they did list illegal trading patterns.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Since this information was held by the SEC, and it was evidence of a "scam" or pump and dump, why didn't they bring charges against Urban or at least use it in the hearing to clearly demonstrate to the judge what was going on?
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: Get off the koolaid Legal. His whole family dumped and it also showed where the last 500 billion went to and it wasn't to JV's, sellers or UC. It was to market. And if you don't see it then you are really drinking too much. If you really want to believe that someone that has mislead you all the way gave his shares away instead of selling them then you are really sucked in and need help. It still remains that he only owned 1.2 billion after it was all said and done.
You are forgetting, Ric, that this only applies to "certed" shares. Do you have a record of their "street shares" held in personal accounts? I hold certs, but if I sent them back into my Ameritrade account, they would be "surrendered", but I still own them.
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Well just by sending your shares to brokers doesn't mean they will change shareholder of record but if they did it would matter in UC's case because he can't hold shares in street name. It would be illegal in his case. He would either have to sell them, or give them back to treasury. But if you look at volume the day he surrendered his shares volume increased dramatically. That should prove to a person what happened if you weren't afraid to hear the truth.
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remember the drug commercial with the egg & the frying pan???? well this is the text version....
This is your brain on CMKX Kool-aide.....
"Simple fact is, this list tells us a whole lot of nothing."
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Occam's Razor states that one should make no more assumptions than needed. When multiple explanations are available for a (Any state or process known through the senses rather than by intuition or reasoning) phenomenon, the simplest version is preferred. A charred tree on the ground could be caused by a landing alien ship or a lightning strike. According to Occam's Razor, the lightning strike is the preferred explanation as it requires the fewest assumptions
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the problem with facts in the cults world is only those that back their position count. it doesn't matter if those so called facts have any real meaning. to qualify as a fact to the cult all it has to do is land in the realm of it has possible meanings of good things, thus the long draw out lists of who know's who & who has done what in the past. even the claims are based on possible value because they are next to real finds as pr cmkx prs. not 1 fact in cult world is based on concrete money in the bank. yet when handed concrete fact that something is wrong, things are not adding up to future cash gains, that somebody is erasing any possible facts your told you have no facts. your told just because its in black & white it doesn't mean what it says. you have to think in a differant way. it had to be stated like that our it would hurt our future. truth is not even 2 yr olds are so dence.
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ya half expect to hear a news item about the cmkx cult member at a lottery office screaming those numbers cant be right because they dont match my ticket.
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quote:Still jumping to unsupported conclusions that he failed, Up.
Well, I guess the final bell hasn't rung yet but come on, everything, and I mean everything that's coming to light is pointing straight at this being a scam of epic proportions. I don't believe this is going to end with a mere revocation, that would be an insult to everyone that got snookered by this con man. If this guy took some 60,000 shareholders, a good portion of them novice investors, and ran off with their money like it appears he did, some type of justice has to be meted out.
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One thing that is being examined on the boards is that, if the government issued this list under a FOIA, then the SS# would have been redacted. To issue the personals in a public document would have been a serious Federal criminal act. So the source of this document should be under careful scrutiny. Since the markings show that it is an EXHIBIT, it may be related to the hearing, and is probably a genuine Federal Document. However, the source that gave it to Pedro should be examined.
This is a serious issue to each of us that own or have owned, CMKX, as your SS# may soon be published to the world.
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some of the SS#'s are zeroed out but some are not. maybe ya found a way to get your cmkx money back, at least those that were not zeroed out. if i held certs i'd want to see the entire list & not some scanned copy, a true copy so that i could check if my number was zeroed or not.
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notice none of the casavant family has ss#'s...sterlings is there but his family's is not. some that are there have sold everything others. but since that post does not include the entire list i would want to see it if i was a cert holder.
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legal wrote: "Diamond exploration is a "complex" world, it can't be interpreted by a "simple" mind."
That's what we have been telling you cult members for a long time, legal, but you and other faithfuls are still "hanging" in there with it no matter how "simple" your minds.
I hope they do show faithful cult members SS#s. Might teach them more of a lesson than to trust a scam, pumping crook who belonged in jail a long time ago.
You people who have been pumping the sh:t out of that stock deserve to lose more than your money. You brought innocents into the picture by pumping it so avidly. Meanwhile, others have been pumping and dumping and you supported those actions by your stupidity.
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Where the hell are Frizzy's, Martin's or Stoecklein's comments now? What excuses will they make for not telling you faithful cult members? Frizzy was representing the OG members. He had a responsibility and DUTY to inform them of the above mentioned trades if he knew about them.
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Where the hell are Frizzy's, Martin's or Stoecklein's comments now? What excuses will they make for not telling you faithful cult members? Frizzy was representing the OG members. He had a responsibility and DUTY to inform them of the above mentioned trades if he knew about them.
Some people "think" before they respond.
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Legal, no thinking required, as you have well demonstrated by your posts, your initial $25, your trip to DC, your 2nd $25, your support of picketing the DTCC, by your pumping and by you supporting the pumpers, dumpers and crooks.
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If that information was part of the Hearings records, then Frizzy almost certainly knew about it. Why didn't he tell you OGers? Bet he's been setting you all up for a class action suit against UC and cohorts all along. Remember his questioning certain events in his prior comments? Why did he keep those events to himself?
Bet Glenn knew about all those stock transactions too! Was he or his law firm on the list of sellers?
You OGers, faithful and cult members should show some intelligence and begin asking a few of the many obvious questions.
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