Zen: so you say we should all be happy since we're in good hands with urban. Jay: absolutely. Zen: the same urban that kept no records, promoted the hell out of cmkx at his racecar junkets, took the fifth on everything and somehow spent millions on accountants and lawyers that netted us zero progress on an audit? Jay: everything is not as it seems on the surface. Zen: ah, so this was all scripted out. Jay: exactly Zen: and why should i believe you when you've botched 10 of your last 10 predictions. Jay: I cannot help when tacks are thrown in the way. just be patient. Zen: if tacks keep getting thrown in the way, why do you keep predicting specific dates Jay: I believe in my source Zen: why should i believe in your source. he's never been right. Jay: you need to see the positive. stop being so negative and you'll find the right way to see this. Zen: why is it that i'm being negative when i point out that you've been wrong ten times in a row. Jay: Because maybe you haven't done your DD. if you look in the right places, you'll find the answers you need. Zen: so you're saying everything is public that I need. Jay: If you look, you will find. Zen: Well, if it's all public, why don't you just say it rather than creating a scavenger hunt that nobody can solve, that ends up in your being wrong every time. Jay: I gave you the hint about the Cree. Zen: So what. What does that do? For all we know, the Cree are scratching their heads as much as we are. Jay: Do more DD. You will see. Zen: No, why don't YOU just be clearer and then maybe you won't have hundreds of people thinking you're on acid. The universal response of "we're in good hands" just doesn't work the gazillionth time we're told that after another of your false predictions. Jay: I can't help that you can't see the positives right in front of you. Zen: The only thing in front of me is someone who apparently enjoys jerking everyone's chain with sadistic pleasure in what can only appear to be a challenge in terms of how many times you believe you can get people to believe you and then forgive you when you're wrong. Jay: I don't believe I need to respond to you. I'm placing you on ignore. Zen: Could you do me one last favor? Could you place everyone on ignore and talk only to yourself? Thanks. We'd be much better off.
Okay, back to Indifference Mode. CMKX will resolve itself one way or the other. But my original rule is still the only 100% accurate one so far: If you hear online that something will happen, it will not.
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posted on 23-7-2005 at 12:07 PM
GOOD GUYS / BAD GUYS
I have completed scanning the SEC documents and like many others I was beginning to get a very bleak picture of CMKX from what I have seen. I didn't want to post anything until I had had some time to consider the whole picture.
I found that considering the "whole" picture was the clue to this newest puzzle.
Pedro, apparently received this documentation from the SEC relative to the filing of a FOIA for the hearing documents. Those documents paint an incomplete and negative picture of everything that was going on with the company. That's because it was the SEC "evidence" that they intended to use against CMKX. That was their job, to gather and present the evidence that would prove their case. So that is what we got........ every piece of negative information that they could glean from the records, that would help to prove their case. We are only seeing the SEC side of available information and not the company side. That is why we need filings to get the whole picture, the company's side as well.
Why the company didn't choose to include the "favorable" information for the Hearing is completely a mystery at this point. Why didn't they present a real defense? And beleive me, what we saw was not a "defense". And really the SEC didn't present a real "prosecution" either. There was too much missing from their case, in particular calling Desormeau as a witness. This guy was our CFO for about two years and yet was not called to the stand. I think the reasons for why we had a public "show trial" will become clear, later.
Now back to what we are seeing in the exhibits. This company had a few "bad guys" in it from it's inception. And when bad guys gather, bad things happen. The question we have to ask ourselves now, "Was Urban involved or knowledgeable when the "bad things" were happening?" Or did he discover that bad things were happening by insiders and then have to try and reverse the harm? As names of these insiders became publicly speculated upon, their connections to criminal activites began to come to light. Now the "speculation" as to their involvement is being removed as their names are showing up on the SEC documents as having been deeply involved.
I can't speak for the Department of Justice, but in my background I would have been all over this company and it's connections and activities. I may have even, "neutralized" a guy like Shawn H......... and gotten him immunity in order to get inside the operations of the "Las Vegas 'Shell' Mafia". Once I had investigated the CEO and found him to be a hapless victim, I may have recommended a strong, knowledgeable, "street wise" Co-Chair to do the difficult things that would have to be done.
But all said, I think we have to wait until the company is able to make more information available to us.....the other side of the story, not just the one-sided information submitted by the SEC in it's presentation.
"There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens" Ecc 3,1
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FOR WHAT ITS WORTH, THE QUESTION HERE IS WHY ALLOW THE POTENTIAL (HEARING) F0R ALL THIS STUFF TO BE PUBLISHED?
If you know that you are engaged in illegally activities, why give people the ammo to whack you? Why go to the hearing at all?
Comments, without the wildeyed speculations of a "master plan" lets leave that to others....lol
My thoughts are that if he (UC) did in fact want to kick us to the curb, he could simply file bankruptcy, before the new (BKTY) laws came into effect. Then he would be free and clear and granted protection by the court...
Also, If he kicks us to the curb now, he is still open for litigation, I would assume, have to determine the duration of actions against a LLC / trust, etc....
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Did you see the 500 million share issuance to the local 7-11? That was when Urban fell short of cash for his pack of Marlboro's, box of popscicles and gallon of chocolate milk.
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quote:Originally posted by Upside: Did you see the 500 million share issuance to the local 7-11? That was when Urban fell short of cash for his pack of Marlboro's, box of popscicles and gallon of chocolate milk.
Or the food that was supplied to the drilling crews.
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legal there are so many holes in that idea its hard to know where to start.
i own a company. i sell something that becomes more valuable with time if they are real & sold as originals. i find out 1 of my top ppl is shipping goods out the back door & keeping the money. he is forging my signature on every shipment because unless i sign off on each 1 the shipping company will refuse to ship the orders. i find out. i have the shipping company has proof of 703 billion orders. some orders went to me & my family & were then re-sold. i have forged documents. i then keep it all a secret, tell the cops but they say dont arrest the crook just hire somebody tough & it will all get fixed. take an ad out in the newspaper (filings) telling everyone what happened & that even tho that many originals will never have any value because now there are too many of them everyone will still want to buy them from you. tell everyone we might transfer them to somebody that will pay for them even tho there are too many to have value. the crook can't increase the value cause he sold them cheap & spent the money.
OR do you come right out & tell everyone what happened. send the crook to jail & wipe out enough of the items so that they can 1 day maybe have value.
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those drilling crews must have been working for free as no payroll went out. i think if i'm working for free i would want more then 7-11 nachos & a slurpee...lol
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Well, fellas noah just isn't going to admit it, no matter how much evidence is set infront of him. He could hear Urban himself admit to wrong doing and fraud, and he wouldn't belive that. He would tell you it is part of grand scheme, and has always been part of the "Master Plan" for the greater good of humanity in an effort to capture osama bid laden. Has the good Christian woman of high moral standing capitulated yet, or is she telling people it's ok to buy more?
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Who shorted British pound? Currency fell 6% in 10 days before London terror attacks
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: July 16, 2005 3:40 p.m. Eastern
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WASHINGTON -- In the 1988 Hollywood hit "Die Hard," starring Bruce Willis, a group of "terrorists" take over a Japanese banking institution in Los Angeles, hold hostages and make demands for release of "political prisoners."
But it turns out the terrorists aren't really terrorists. They are bank robbers trying to make off with the fortune in the bank's vaults.
Could it be Osama bin Laden has seen "Die Hard"?
That is a question Scotland Yard and other law enforcement agencies are actually asking themselves following the July 7 London transit system attacks that killed 54 and injured scores more as they continue to scour the planet for evidence and additional conspirators.
Why? Because it appears some profited by short selling the British pound in the 10 days leading up to the attacks.
The pound fell about 6 percent (approximately 1.82 to 1.72) against the dollar for no apparent reason – until, of course, the terror attacks sent the British markets reeling still further.
"This was an almost unprecedented weakness and far too sharp to be a coincidence," one economist with more than 35 years of experience in the investment industry, told Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND. "That is, after all, an annualized rate of loss of well over 100 percent."
The fall did not go unnoticed by investigators, who are wondering whether the terrorist masterminds behind the attacks decided to make some money on their action or whether other investors with inside information about possible attacks took advantage of that knowledge.
"Currencies of establish countries simply do not fall that fast based upon any kind of economic or financial analysis," said the economist. "Somebody – somewhere – knew something. Or maybe I should say 'somebodies.'"
Could it be the terrorists have learned to make their attacks self-funding operations?
Could it be the terrorists are actually motivated by factors other than Islamic fanaticism?
These are some of the questions law enforcement agencies are asking – but they're not really expecting to get answers.
The problem is that short selling of this kind can be done with near total anonymity.
"Trade currency futures through a Swiss or Austrian bank via an offshore company incorporated in Crete and you have a totally untraceable transaction," the economist noted. "No one will ever know who made the really big money off this situation, but I guarantee you this – someone did."
It's not the first time suspicion about terrorists – or someone – profiting from short-selling prior to an attack.
Following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the U.S., David Ruder, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission from 1987 to 1989, raised the question of whether terrorists may have gotten away with profiting from their attacks by short-selling shares in the U.S. markets.
Then U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill confirmed the government was investigating possible short selling, but was not optimistic those responsible would ever be found.
Short selling allows investors to bet that stocks will fall by borrowing and selling shares in the hope of buying back at a lower price.
After Sept. 11, Chicago Board Options Exchange data showed 1,575 put options purchased in United Airlines' parent company five days before the attacks. On an average day, only 390 such put options are purchased. Investors bought 2,258 put options in American Airlines parent company, compared with 220 on a typical day. Insurance and other stocks also experienced and upswing in short sales.
Investigators never revealed how much money was bet, but short sellers could have made 30 times what they invested, given the huge plunge in the stock prices of those companies.
Government investigators from around the world never learned the identity of the short sellers in 2001. And, despite vigorous efforts being made to find out who was behind the short selling of the British pound in early July, hopes are slim the culprits will be found.
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bill, on the Jay_Adobe / Zen post, don't you think it would be a little more honest to paste the whole article where it states that it is not a real conversation?
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal there are so many holes in that idea its hard to know where to start.
i own a company. i sell something that becomes more valuable with time if they are real & sold as originals. i find out 1 of my top ppl is shipping goods out the back door & keeping the money. he is forging my signature on every shipment because unless i sign off on each 1 the shipping company will refuse to ship the orders. i find out. i have the shipping company has proof of 703 billion orders. some orders went to me & my family & were then re-sold. i have forged documents. i then keep it all a secret, tell the cops but they say dont arrest the crook just hire somebody tough & it will all get fixed. take an ad out in the newspaper (filings) telling everyone what happened & that even tho that many originals will never have any value because now there are too many of them everyone will still want to buy them from you. tell everyone we might transfer them to somebody that will pay for them even tho there are too many to have value. the crook can't increase the value cause he sold them cheap & spent the money.
OR do you come right out & tell everyone what happened. send the crook to jail & wipe out enough of the items so that they can 1 day maybe have value.
bill, when organizations have a web of corporations interrelated, you can't just nail the first guy at the bottom. You have to go for the top if you want it stopped.
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legal the site i got that from didn't say it was fake or i would have posted it as such, in fact i probaly wouldn't even have read it. i cant get in pb32 remember? i was banned. second if it wasn't UC then it would have been desomeau behind this stock dump wasn't he the #2 guy??. somebody had to sign the issuance of those shares. since UC was the only board member till mahoo he had to sign off. john edwards wasn't on the list of major stock sellers. the game is up legal. proof is there plan as day. you screwed up by trusting UC. you let crap posted on boards mask the truth. you aren't the first guy guilty of that & you wont be the last.
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bill: "second if it wasn't UC then it would have been desomeau behind this stock dump wasn't he the #2 guy??."
It's almost like you are finally starting to get it. Now who was Desormeau really working for? And why wasn't he called as the "key witness"? Keep going bill, you're getting warmer.
He was the CFO. Distributed checks, authorized share distributions.
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the message was attacked legal, a damn stupid message at that. you have no proof...as you & cobra have been hounding me all week show me a fact!!!! in a few months you get another fact from the bashers side of the fence...UC in jail unless he dies of a heart attack first.
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He was the CFO. Signed checks, authorized share distributions.
can't do such...only the board can authorize share increases & distrubutions. thats why they have board meeting. read a few companies 8k's legal. learn the facts first. UC was the board.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: the message was attacked legal, a damn stupid message at that. you have no proof...as you & cobra have been hounding me all week show me a fact!!!! in a few months you get another fact from the bashers side of the fence...UC in jail unless he dies of a heart attack first.
Does Wallace need you now bill, to answer my posts to him. Seems like only yesterday he was answering my posts to you. Oh, OK, "Tag Team". You guys are getting more obvious post by post.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: He was the CFO. Signed checks, authorized share distributions.
can't do such...only the board can authorize share increases & distrubutions. thats why they have board meeting. read a few companies 8k's legal. learn the facts first. UC was the board.
And who carries out the mechanics for the "board"? There's no board meeting to issue each check and share. Come on bill.
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will,
The queen would never step down from her throne. She's probably saying to others, "BUY more CMKX!". She's a smart one, she is.
Hey Wally Gator when you are done checking my Spelling and sentence structure check your own,,, I guess the info that you told me i could "try to keep for 5 minutes" slipped your mind after only 4 minutes. its understandable for you though,,, comes with the terratory (<--spelling?) have a nice day sweet thing.... COBRACOBRA
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Wow bill, you are sure harsh on him , , , oh,,wait,, isnt that what you were doing when you got booted from PBoards. I guess there are a lot of 5 year olds on this board. In case you forgot what comes next, this is where you attempt to insult me and say some thing lik "i know you are but what am I?....................LOL COBRACOBRA
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on that we can agree legal. desormeau wasn't alone he had UC's help. look at the list of ppl that got shares & for what reason. every relative got shares for field work??? even the gal now at SGGM got shares. leather shops, toffee makers, fishing gear. i will bet cash everyone on that list of 360 is friends of UC.
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add to that cobra the fact that legal & i have been yappin at each other for over a yr, at 1 time on the same side. you on the other hand offer no proof of anything other then run your mouth. what i might say to legal i would not say to others i dont chat with regularly
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: on that we can agree legal. desormeau wasn't alone he had UC's help. look at the list of ppl that got shares & for what reason. every relative got shares for field work??? even the gal now at SGGM got shares. leather shops, toffee makers, fishing gear. i will bet cash everyone on that list of 360 is friends of UC.
The fact that the family was deeply involved from the beginning in financeing CMKX was hardly a secret. This from the Def 14C:
5) The Casavant Family consists of 22 members who are related to Urban Casavant. Their respective share holdings are reported separately from Urban Casavant. As a Group, the Casavant Family holds 10.7% of the Company's shares. Of this amount 100% are Rule 144 shares. There is no Casavant Family share pooling agreement, voting trust and/or other agreements relating to the shares in effect at this time. The Casavant Family includes: Albert Casavant (3,000,000); Brandy Casavant (2,000,000); Brad Casavant (500,000); Chantelle Casavant (2,000,000); Craig Casavant (2,000,000); Dale Casavant (50,000,000);Denise Casavant (30,000,000); Felix & Marlene Casavant (1,000,000); Gerry & Betty Casavant (300,000); Harvey & Gloria Casavant (1,000,000); Justin Casavant (2,000,000); Kyle Casavant (500,000); Marina Casavant (500,000); Max Casavant (10,000,000); Ray Casavant (3,000,000); Ron Casavant (30,000,000); Ryan Casavant (500,000); Trevor Casavant (2,000,000); and Vic Casavant (30,000,000).
So it is obvious that the "Casavant Family" was a major player from the begining, and received a lot of shares, probably for the money they put up to start the company. It should be no surprise that a member of this group of 22 would be called upon to perform services relative to the company they had invested in.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: no cobra i was banned from pb32 for calling UC a crook and stating the fact he cheated every single person that bought cmkx.
And you did it without supporting fact. Actually I recall from the old days that Criminal Libel is the printing of false statements accusing someone of a committing a crime. It is a crime in itself to do so, not just a civil offense. So bill, in lieu of having absolute proof that UC is a crook, I think they did you a favor by shutting you up before you hurt yourself severely. The fact that Allstocks allows that kind of behavior in here, does not make it right. Nor does having the "blessing" of the Merry Men and Wallace for such activities. These message boards could be setting themselves up for some serious charges when they allow people to spout off in a criminal matter without any kind of proof, so I don't blame PB32 for ending it.
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quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Please, judge, will you put the last nail in this coffin...the body is starting to stink.
Stink? It's already rotten
And that strikes me as funny coming from both of you. I guess if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then fragrance is in the nose of the sniffer.
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Exhibit 14 ~~ Master Shareholder List as of December 31, 2004
This exhibit contains 504 pages and details stock certificates issued (and surrendered) from 01/01/1900 through 12/31/2004.
I will be working on this Exhibit and I will post information on the entities that received (and sold) large quantities of shares during 2003 and 2004.
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