Very apropos that you should start what will be the final thread for CMKX. Well, final meaning its last trading days. We all know this pigslop will never die. The faithful, cult, pumpers, poor slobs that they are, will never let this die. For crap sakes they even had the Holy Spirit involved in it yesterday. Poor useless, worthless, helpless, hopeless, pipe dreaming slobs.
Posted by Upside on :
I see you're in your kind, gentle mode tonight.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Just thought the title subject was appropriate. Makes sense either way (la la land or reality) you look at it. Just hope no matter what happens, it becomes "judgement day" for UC and cohorts. What MIGHT have been was most certainly destroyed by them.
Had they been somewhat less greedy, they could have milked this thing for a long period of time instead of the year or so they have been doing it.
Posted by Upside on :
Oh judgement day will be here soon. As to this being the last thread, I doubt it. See, the theory now is that they wanted to be revoked all along. Once that happens, we get a whole new crop of rumors.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"...theory now is that they wanted to be revoked all along."
The obvious question to that theory is, "Why waste so much money on fighting the revocation then?". That would seem to be extremely foolish. Of course, foolish is what foolish does, huh.
Posted by Upside on :
Exactly. If they wanted to be revoked all along, they could have achieved it months ago. Don't respond to the SEC at all and bam, they're revoked. I'm sure there's a reason for it though but it's going to be beyond our level of thinking.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
It sure looks like UC is just one big, stupid, blob of bullsh:t! Everything ends up looking like a charade.
Posted by STAR GAZER on :
I rode it all the way from .0001 to .0012 to .0001 Fair amount of money in it. Well at least I learned to take some profits when a stock goes up. I can then let the rest ride.
Posted by bill1352 on :
wallace all this time around cmkx & you have to ask why spend the money defending yourself in court when you want to be revoked??? you must be gettin old...lol it was the only way to get naked shorting on the record. they got the SEC to say they would not stipulate that cmkx was ns'ed. thats at least worth 5 or 6 rumors or reasons why. it wouldn't have anything to do with UC trying to keep up the front...by the way good job there UC...the 5th was genius...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're not going to file! UC and IBM have no intention of filing now. Things have gone way too far for that (or it'll be well after this deadline). But don't despair. Look, I've always come across as negative (just ask some of the moderators), claiming that this is where we'd end up. Now that we're almost there though, I feel like we're coming out of the woods. WHEN we are revoked "for not filing properly..." CMKX if that is how they'll still be known, will have to show their cards at last. What a relief that will be. Sure they could have nothing more to do with us or give us a poultry reward before disowning us, but at least we'll have closure!
Would you honestly want to go on like this: Speculating,appealing,hoping,praying! In almost a year, we've heard very little from our company whilst outsiders pound it into the ground. What kind of an investment is that, really?
By August, I'm hoping I can be regarded as one of our most positive members. Because as I've always said, either you believe in UC's intentions regarding us, or you don't. It's a 50-50 outcome, and if I'm right, we're going to be rich, just not right away. Once the revocation is announced, he'll be free to make his next BIG move and you know what? I have virtually no idea what that is going to be. It just comes down to faith. I believe in this man, and I believe IBM would never have gotten involved with us without first investigating us thoroughly, as well as relishing the challenge to defeat the MM's,SEC and DTCC. It will be his swansong; the deal that in his eyes, gives him parity with the man whose shadow he's had to reside under for most of his working life: Howard Hughes.
Is there a 99% chance that our land contains a huge amount of diamonds? If you spent a fortune acquiring this land, would you employ run-of-the-mill characters to develop it or would you bring in personnel at the top of their game? If it was the latter option, what do you think would tempt them to get on board when the SEC was swarming all over us? Let's just list some again: IBM (we know all about his background and reputation),and Barry Raimant, 20 years in the business with BEMA GOLD (Russia, Equador) he grew them from nothing into a $BILLION company before joining SGGM - of all companies!! And Roger Glenn (I think with time,we'll discover he had a lot more to do with this company's development than it now appears. The court case made it out that he had virtually nothing to do with us. IBM himself, said he didn't know anything about us). It comes down to the same thing: either you believe in life after the revocation or you don't. I pride myself on having good instincts, and I say, there's a lot more to this and possibly even before the end of this year, they're going to allow us to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
For those of you who doubt this conclusion, I leave you with this last point to ponder: how far do you think UC would get with his new company, if all the world knew he'd just come from CMKX, where he screwed nearly 60,000 investors over the same proposed deal
Posted by will on :
"how far do you think UC would get with his new company, if all the world knew he'd just come from CMKX, where he screwed nearly 60,000 investors over the same proposed deal"
With an idiot like this and many more of the faithful, I would guess he could float another 500B O/S and have you fools buying them up like hotcakes.
Posted by ed19363 on :
P.T. Barnum said it best... There's a sucker born every minute.
Now we know where most of them hang out....CMKX....
Posted by legaleagle on :
Posted by Thorn on :
heh. I liked the part about the "poultry" reward. Was he trying to suggest that something is fowl about this situation? Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: "how far do you think UC would get with his new company, if all the world knew he'd just come from CMKX, where he screwed nearly 60,000 investors over the same proposed deal"
With an idiot like this and many more of the faithful, I would guess he could float another 500B O/S and have you fools buying them up like hotcakes.
Will, I would respond to your post, but already in this new thread, you have referred to us as "fools" and "Poor useless, worthless, helpless, hopeless, pipe dreaming slobs." So, I won't respond to any more of your "elementary school" name calling, posts, until you grow up. And will just let the other folks here consider the "educational level" of the source.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:I liked the part about the "poultry" reward.
Does crow count?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
stockster,
"TA" refers to the Transfer Agent, not tits and ass.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"...you have referred to us as "fools" and "Poor useless, worthless, helpless, hopeless, pipe dreaming slobs." So, I won't respond to any more of your "elementary school" name calling, posts, until you grow up." --------------------
Aaaawwwww, Will! What hast thou wrought now? You damn fool kid! Don't you know the faithful prefer to be called imbecilic? See, now, that is a more grown-up term. The feebleminded will one day rule the earth!
Just remember, Will, their problem is due to the imbibition of koolaid. Causes a swelling of the head.
Posted by will on :
Yea, what have I wrought?
Like the pinhead ever gave a decent answer of any value to any question. Repost and inuendo, conjecture, theories, that's what you get from him. Him and that woman of high morale standards, with an expert understanding of trading, never answered a question in anything other than an intolerant condescending way. WOW! I sure will miss the volley and banter with those slobs.
Wonder if she's understanding this stock better these days, watching her money shrink to $0.00 ?
Anyone see any negatives with CMKX?
LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
I'm not a perfect fool, parts of me are missing.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Joined: Sept 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 929 Location: Palm Coast, Florida I DON'T BELIEVE CMKX WILL FILE, AND HERE'S WHY « Thread Started on Today at 8:58am »
This is an opinion folks, so cool it on the basher crap! No one is asking you to believe this, it is a 'point of view' only.
Here goes...
Yesterday I read a analysis by Pedro on RB [that for some reason] he didn't post here, but he calculated [based on hearing transcript] the OS in 2003 based on Helen Bagley's testimony (!7,000,000,000 + in July 2003) and the PR'ed share retirement in the latter part of 2003 (18,000,000,000 +) ; Now, this is all documented...and based on these numbers in January 2004, Urban had bought back the entire OS. It's as if he completed the major plan that they had laid out a year earlier in January 2003.
Pedro then stated an OPINION.."Was it Urban's intention at that point to take the company private?"
Good point!
Because who would've thought that 8 months later (August 20, 2004) we would have 800,000,000,000 shares diluted in to the market. Why go through all the trouble of zero-ing out OS of the company and then do that?
What changed?
It seems like CMKX became a "ghost company...a smoke screen"; something that would draw fire from market makers, hedge funds, hostile takeovers, and anything else you can think of. Essentially, all assets would be moved and CMKX would be nothing more than a shell.
But, as a "shell", they can never file...because then everyone will know it's a shell.."Game Over".
UC presents the concept of "Heritage Stock" as one way to appease the masses while he works his plan. He not only hands out dividends, but PR's "10% lifetime royalty paid to CMKX". He works in the name of CMKX, and funnels opportunties through CMKX, but technically places no value in the company...it's a gateway to all other enterprises holding valuation, but holds no value itself. This is why Andy always say's "If something happens to CMKX, everyone will simply be moved to the next level".
It's like a magic trick where you watch one hand (CMKX) and the other one reaches in your back pocket (the JV's). CMKX has resisted filing because it would have exposed their clever charade. If anyone dared to take CMKX down, through "naked shorting", hostile takeover...whatever! They would have gotten nothing.
They have it set up perfectly! They decide their own fate. UC is correct, "If you're in, you win". Because he can roll CMKX shareholders any where he wants. If we're revoked, he can reverse shareholders in to CIM or SGGM, or something else...if the company is snatched by an unsuspected evil-doer; no claims, no money...NOTHING!
As long as the company didn't file, this could not be verified...it could only be speculated. To file would let the cat out of the bag.
I believe they have something so VALUABLE that a complex structure had to be set up as security. I've said many times before this is a "David and Goliath" scenario. Have all of you seen that IBM commercial where the little bookish man is speaking to an IBM rep, and says "I've got something in this box that's huge". That's exactly what this is; the little man in the commercial created a world changing product in his garage, but how do you successfully interface your small-self with a giant, greedy, overpowering world that, if given the opportunity, will steal it from you, and then tell you you never owned it in the first place. This is why I believe whenever UC shows someone (Glenn, Maheu, the JV's) the contents of his box, their first statement is "How do I get in on this?"
Bottom line, I don't think we're going to file, because there is no company to file. I also believe all assets have been transfered to CIM. Why? Because as a private company they are free to work and structure the company without prying eyes.
I now believe that one of the purposes of CMKX was, to buy time and distract attention. I do believe we'll be revoked.
The only question is: ARE THEY READY?
Posted by BlackWidow on :
quote:Originally posted by Thorn: heh. I liked the part about the "poultry" reward. Was he trying to suggest that something is fowl about this situation?
Naah, means we end up with chicken feed.
Posted by justplayin on :
Wow, will somebody actually believe that dung??
Posted by bmarley5780 on :
isnt SGGM in some sort of SEC stuff as well?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Wow, will somebody actually believe that dung??
Thousands.
Posted by Otttoman on :
There are many negatives with CMKX which is obvious, but also some positives, IMO. Only time will tell for sure, but it's like any other stock on the market, risky and a gamble. Maybe more like the lottery with miserable odds but a great payday if luck is on your side. In any case, I'd rather take a shot at the golden ring and fail, than never have even tried at all. It's easier to sit on the sidelines and criticize the players, than to actually play the game. It doesnt matter if you win or lose, but how you played the game, and crybaby spectators go home with nothing regarless of the outcome. If your in you win, if you doubt get out.
Posted by bill1352 on :
seriously legal these ppl need to start writing fiction novels. that idea has more holes the swiss cheese. i dont even know where to begin..lol. lets just go to the bottom line. how do shareholders profit. that idea would mean buying cmkx since the last divy was foolish. 10% of CIM split up between lets say 400 billion shares. i'll say UC owns 303 billion to be nice (serious suprise if he owns 1 billion) i'll use cert numbers & round up. if the S.A gold does great CIM would get $1 million minus running costs. diamonds, a huge mine might get $100 million a yr out of the ground, a up & running mine, the missing up & running mine. minus running costs. to mine more would drop diamond prices & the time to mine that much would limit the total. you dont get paid on extimated value. UCA's uranium, lets dream big & say another $100 million. & since this is a dream lets add oil, say $50 million. total of $251 million income minus running costs. from another mining company i found they figure final value at 10% of the total but since that isnt worth figuring i'll lose my mind & say gross is $1 billion making net $100 million divide that by 400 billion shares. the 10% royality is .00025 a share or $250 per million shares a yr. this is based on monster numbers, on product not yet mined or even ready to mine or even known to exist. now if you add in this trap shorty chit & its divided by 1 trillion or more all i can say is...don't quit your day job...lol
Posted by Upside on :
You've got to add a catchy phrase to the end of your posts Dr. B. Kind of like your alter ego Dr. D. who I believe concludes every post with "Success is at Hand" or "All is Well" or something like that. How about "Revocation is Imminent" or "Sell While You Still Can", you know, something snappy.
Posted by Thorn on :
quote:Originally posted by Otttoman: ...It doesnt matter if you win or lose, but how you played the game...
Yeah, that makes for a great song, but has no practical use when investing.
Posted by will on :
A newly recruited pinhead.....and they say their bulchit and nonsense doesn't influence anyone. This pos has 0 chance of making you one cent. You're a loser and haven't been around here a week, otto. Good luck !
quote:Originally posted by Otttoman: There are many negatives with CMKX which is obvious, but also some positives, IMO. Only time will tell for sure, but it's like any other stock on the market, risky and a gamble. Maybe more like the lottery with miserable odds but a great payday if luck is on your side. In any case, I'd rather take a shot at the golden ring and fail, than never have even tried at all. It's easier to sit on the sidelines and criticize the players, than to actually play the game. It doesnt matter if you win or lose, but how you played the game, and crybaby spectators go home with nothing regarless of the outcome. If your in you win, if you doubt get out.
Posted by bill1352 on :
if i remember upside..lol maybe i'll add "cause Dr.of B says so" i like my permenant slogan & do NOT want cmkx following me around allstocks
Posted by Upside on :
I think it's Wills time of the month. He's particularly vicious today.
Posted by will on :
Punk cost me a star too, lol.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya but you just try to get a thrill off the pointy edges Will...ya perv..lol
Posted by will on :
I'd rather be a perv than a UC punkass. Soon UC will be someone's punk though, so it all works out for the best.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will, did you mean punk or plunk?
Posted by justplayin on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Punk cost me a star too, lol.
Will, I just gave you a 5 rating! Hope that helps Posted by will on :
Well, thank you, justplayin. I sure do appreciate it. Of course, I will reciprocate.
Posted by justplayin on :
Will, I see you are back up to 4 stars. I guess one voice does make a difference (LOL).
I will be sorry to see CMKX go. It's threads give alot of humor to an otherwise stressful day of trading
Oh, I do hold some shares but made alot of $$$$$$ when this one bounced for a week or so. That is the problem with alot of investors of pennies, they don't understand them and fall in love. When will they learn to take profits?? Maybe the happenings of CMKX will give them a lesson in subbers.
GLTA
Posted by will on :
Well playin,
These jamokes have done more than fall in love with CMKX. They have taken an x-prison guard that screwed them silly and glorified him into some hero. They conviently theorize out of their asses and out of any constraints of realty.
I think it was best said what they do by legal, (noah), himslef when he accused ric of this:
"Ric, there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions"
That is exactly what they and especially he does, so he knows what he's talking about.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by justplayin:
quote:Will, I see you are back up to 4 stars.
And that's 4 more than he deserves.
Posted by will on :
...and UpMan is my friend, justplayin. Isn't that something.
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by justplayin:
quote:Will, I see you are back up to 4 stars.
And that's 4 more than he deserves.
Posted by Upside on :
Yes, I'm your friend but I like you a whole lot better when you have less stars than me.
Posted by stockster5 on :
This was asked of Ric, from page 87 of old thread... RE: Ric... could you please define 'TA' ... technical assistant, troglidyte ancestor... transgendered associate...????
Wallace...what thread ??? where. and wallace, never mind, I found it. S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
oops, thanks wallace, just backread your post... thanks
Posted by will on :
WOW! That's what I love about you, you're not shallow little b*tch. LOL I'd love to have you in fox hole. No wait a minute, I meant, you are a foxhole!
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Yes, I'm your friend but I like you a whole lot better when you have less stars than me.
LOL!!! I just noticed, back to 3 stars, punks.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Has usca been halted yet as well..?? or gemm ? they're all related UC.
S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
So,what is it? 5 stars are bad or what????
Posted by will on :
Yea, 5 stars suck. You're doing good stockster5.
Posted by duediligence1 on :
quote:Originally posted by bmarley5780: isnt SGGM in some sort of SEC stuff as well?
Yeah, they are halted for 10 days and the SEC has already started litigation to revoke there registration.
Posted by Upside on :
Originally posted by Will:
quote:WOW! That's what I love about you, you're not shallow little b*tch.
I'm as shallow as they come. Glad to see you back where you belong Mr. Three Star.
Posted by will on :
I'll beg for more stars later. Maybe stockster5, will give me 5 stars, I'll do the same for him.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stockster5: [QB] So,what is it? 5 stars are bad or what.
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5 stars means you have been in a coma somewhere..
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by will: [QB] I'll beg for more stars later. Maybe stockster5, will give me 5 stars, I'll do the same for him.
------------------------------------------------- Will, I gave ya 5
I tried begging here the other night!
Did not do a damn bit a good.
Posted by will on :
You're the best, Dustman. I'd give ya five back, but I think you irritated me one night and I gave ya one. LOL Nah! I'm just jagging ya, Upside does sh*t like that. You just got 5 from me, Dustman.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:Nah! I'm just jagging ya, Upside does sh*t like that.
I was here a couple weeks ago when Dustoff was begging and he got 5 from me. So did you a long time ago. I must have been drunk or something that night.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by will: [QB] You're the best, Dustman. I'd give ya five back, but I think you irritated me one night and I gave ya one. LOL Nah! I'm just jagging ya, Upside does sh*t like that. You just got 5 from me, Dustman.
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I stirred the Hornets up on the Q thread once,
wound up damn near getting stung to death!!!!!!!!!
12 1 stars in about 10 minutes!!!!
Man, they were buzzing!
Posted by STAR GAZER on :
I'll hold on for a few more, ok, several more years. If they are still around. They do seem to have THE PRIME DIAMOND BEARING KIMBERLITE AREA and if they are ever able to find some macro blue white diamonds, even with their billions and billions of shares, they could still shoot for the stars and maybe even reach, dare I say it? a penny a share. Lets see 14 million shares x .01 = $140,000 Shucks I might end up making money on this after all. For $140,000, I'll give it time, a lot of time.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: [QB] Posted by Will: [QUOTE]Nah! I'm just jagging ya, Upside does sh*t like that.
I was here a couple weeks ago when Dustoff was begging and he got 5 from me. So did you a long time ago. I must have been drunk or something that night.
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I have been holding my vote......
How much ya gimmy fer it?
Posted by Upside on :
Sold all my CMKX. Got a bunch of others in my bag that I'm holding, pick one.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by STAR GAZER: [QB] I'll hold on for a few more, ok, several more years. If they are still around. They do seem to have THE PRIME DIAMOND BEARING KIMBERLITE AREA and if they are ever able to find some macro blue white diamonds, even with their billions and billions of shares, they could still shoot for the stars and maybe even reach, dare I say it? a penny a share. Lets see 14 million shares x .01 = $140,000 Shucks I might end up making money on this after all. For $140,000, I'll give it time, a lot of time.
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Oh O, somebody stepped in it now...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Upside: [QB] Sold all my CMKX. Got a bunch of others in my bag that I'm holding, pick one.
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Got GZFX or IBZT
I'll give ya 5
Ah heck, I'll give ya 5 before I change my mind.
Posted by STAR GAZER on :
Oh O, somebody stepped in it now... Let me smell my foot. OK, so my perfume is O' de Pue. No need to rub it in. As I posted yesterday, I rode this from .0001 to .0012 to .0001 The lesson being that when you have profits, and in this case BIG PROFITS, then quit being a greedy moron and take some profits. What is really embarrasing is that it was in the .0010 range for several days back then and during that time I didn't sell any shares. Even if I had sold only 20% of my shares I would have had a 200% profit and the rest of the 80% would have been a free ride (down). We were all posting guesses at the time on where it was going to be at the next week and even the next year. Needless to say, we guessed the wrong direction.
Posted by Ric on :
We all did that at least once. Mine was GZFX. I would have made a killing at .18. Still broke even but was up $7000.00 at one time on it. Made up for it on Qbid and more but still.
But as I said once before, If I didn't know for sure that CMKX was a scam, I wouldn't say a word about it. Well maybe a couple but thats it, lol.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Star Gazer, around my home, when ever I get a little cocky about a good trade, well, quess what!!
It is generally something like, OK Mr. CMKX
Always brings me right back down to earth.
I have 600k, of the garbage.
The CMKX thread still provides entertainment, so I quess the chit has some value..
Posted by Upside on :
Dustoff, Perhaps I could interest you in 5000 shares of DCUT? Bought them at .12 each. Now worth a total of a buck I think. Would that seal the deal?
Posted by legaleagle on :
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It is Bear Stearns talking about 1,000 companies of which 800 are OTC BB and Pinks that would be on SHO list if it was put out that day. This was just days before the SHO list was made public with WAYYYY less than 1,000 companies on it.
They also talk about the SEC and the X-clearing thing like Jeffries was guilty of with CMKX. A whole lot of goodies in there.
KW United We Stand! ONE team ONE goal
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh, give it up....sheesh. The only way to fix everything is shut down the markets....
Posted by Ric on :
I believe the SEC has a lot to answer for but the website Investagatethesec is real biased about there articles and tend to stretch the truth. Sort of like the CMKX cult does for CMKX. They talked earlier about how there was a lot of pinks that were revoked and they were loaded with NSS. They make it out that the SEC is revoking these to cover up the abuse. But I see it as these scams are targets of NSS. They are hiding information so shareholders don't know whats going on so shorty see an chance to make money. Is this abuse wrong, he11 yes but still the company is breaking SEC rules. They should be shut down like CMKX should be shut down. But just because the scammers are scamming on a scam doesn't make the company exempt from its responsibilities. Global had proof of NSS, the SEC isn't revoking them. Why, because they didn't break SEC rules. You think the SEC might be finding these scams because of the scammers interest in them? Who knows but the blame game continues. You refuse to see that you invested in a bad stock, so you look for a scape goat.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Yea, 5 stars suck. You're doing good stockster5.
Stockster,
By now you should know you cannot trust my friend Will. LMAO The above is an extremely good example of his sincerity and his eloquence. My other pal, Upside, runs a close second as an instigator. Upside must have had the world's sorest crotch from sitting on the fence, but even that should be healing a bit by now.
Posted by legaleagle on :
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members, July 8, 2005
John Martin returned to the office today and has done some incredible due diligence. As your attorney the information that I continuously receive from shareholders allows me to be a more effective advocate on your behalf. I realize how fortunate I am to have such dedicated shareholders. I will not name any names for many reasons, but I want you to know that I am eternally grateful for those that are spending time and dollars to keep this fight going. Your investigative skill and dedication to our mission is appreciated by me more than you can ever know. When I talk with the company attorneys, or UC, or the SEC, it is much easier to present the shareholder’s perspective when I can speak with knowledge of what has gone on in the past and what may be transpiring as we speak. The SEC has a policy of not disclosing any information that may pertain to an “ongoing investigation”. CMKX is still an “ongoing investigation”. The company is cooperating in our efforts and is in fact sharing some information with me but I feel it is vital that we do our own due diligence.
I have talked with Don Stoecklein on several occasions in the last two days. I understand some of the problems he has experienced with the hiring of a new auditor. An announcement will come from the company by way of an 8(K) when he is officially engaged. The office staff at Opus Point and in Mr. Stoecklein’s office has continued to work on all the various schedules needed by the auditor. We have discussed the parameters of a settlement proposal. I am very hopeful we can get this proposal to the SEC for their consideration in the next day or two. I cannot post any rough drafts because they are preliminary. I assure you that I will post something as soon as I am able. I do not expect to hear from Don Stoecklein again until Monday.
The ruling by Judge Murray on our request to offer SH Exhibit 1 says in the first paragraph that the initial decision is due by July 21, 2005. This date was computed by adding 120 days to the date the OIP was served on the company. The OIP was filed on March 16, 2005 but the answer date and final opinion dates are governed by the date the OIP was served on the company. I do not know of the specific date the OIP was served on CMKX but apparently it was 120 days before July 21, 2005. The Court commented during the hearing that she believed her ruling was due July 15. This would have been correct if the 120 days ran from the date of filing of the OIP or if the OIP was filed and served on the same date. This does not mean there has been any extension granted but most probably the correct date was computed by looking at the date the OIP was actually served on the company. The Court has a procedure where she can ask for an extension of time to rule in this matter if she needs such extension, but no such request has been made at this time to my knowledge.
I talked with UC on Tuesday and Wednesday. He again expressed his intentions to get these matters behind us. We have agreed to revisit a trip to Ecuador and Canada after this revocation proceeding is settled or ruled upon.
Onward,
Bill
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh boy.....54 cents a share, right??????
WOW....pass the Koolaid !!!!
Posted by jackpot on :
UC should be in jail. I can't believe that joker is still running around free.
Posted by Upside on :
Originally posted by Wallace:
quote:My other pal, Upside, runs a close second as an instigator.
How in the heck did I wind up in second place? There's no better instigator than me.
Posted by will on :
Old 5 star UpMan, down to 4 stars, second to many. Now he loses his number one instigator rating and is only a 4 star instigator, second to many there too. What's wrong, buddy, your life is going to hell. Snap out of it. Don't you excell at anything?
Posted by bill1352 on :
"I have talked with Don Stoecklein on several occasions in the last two days. I understand some of the problems he has experienced with the hiring of a new auditor. An announcement will come from the company by way of an 8(K) when he is officially engaged"
July 9th as i'm posting this. ruling by the 21st or 12 days. have yet to hire an auditor. i like the..."I understand some of the problems he has experienced with the hiring of a new auditor."...part. are they having trouble finding 1 they can bribe? you know and any auditor will know anything cmkx files had better be perfect. hakala let out that they had some questionable trading proof that she didn't bring. then of course UC tops it off with the "can't wait to get this behind us" line. these clowns sound like this is just a bump in the road, that being revoked is no big deal. or are they handing frizzy the party line just to hold shareholders at bay till its over & then say well nothing we did worked, sorry folks.
Posted by Ric on :
bill,
"or are they handing frizzy the party line just to hold shareholders at bay till its over & then say well nothing we did worked, sorry folks."
-------------------------------------------- I have been saying this for months. --------------------------------------------
UC "Don't blame me, look at the people we hired. Just bad luck that they were so unreliable but we tried."
Cult "Poor UC, he tried to make us millionaires, we need to go after all these people and the SEC for losing our money. Maybe we should sent UC something for trying."
[ July 09, 2005, 00:38: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
Shareholders 60-70 thousand.
Owners Group: Signed Agreements: 5592 Phase 2 Agreements:1405
Shares Held and verified: 313,980,396,244
Total Allstocks bashers: 5 maybe 7 on a good day.
Why don't you guys find an investment you like, do some DD, support the company, and make yourselves some money.
Posted by Ric on :
I have a pretty diverse portfolio. I also swing trade pennies. But I don't have to make up rumors or theories on any of them, because I did my DD and would never long term invest in a company that hides the basic information needed to make a sound investment. Thats what real DD is.
As I said if I didn't know for a fact this was a scam, I wouldn't have fun with it.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I think the real blame is on the clearing companies who clear shares like the government prints funny money. In the name of liquidity, DCTT and other agencies are drowning in their own creation. If a company pollutes a river, you don't blame the workers who built the pipes to the river...you stop it at the source, the factory. The factory here is the system that passes the certs, or floats shares that don't exist. I may have my initials wrong, but most of you should know what I'm talking about. What do you think. And as I said before, put vodka in that koolaid and it's almost painless. ...oh oh, 2 stars, what did I do wrong? S5
Posted by Ric on :
I sort of answered it here. The NSS problem is bad but that doesn't take away from the fact that this company diluted its shares to 703 billion. It is easier to short when you have this type of scam put off on its investors. Which is worse, the short or the dilution. In CMKX it doesn't matter because the company killed the stock alone with the shorts. Two scams don't make a right. Maybe if you cleaned up these scams that hide the fact there o/s is growing faster then the national debt then shorty would have a harder time. I think it should be illegal to gag the transfer agent so she can't give out the o/s and float. Any company that does this is hiding something for a reason.
The big problem is when they short with no intent to cover or NS (Naked Short) shares. But there is a need to keep the market liquid so some shorting is very much needed or these groups that run stocks would run wild with it. One scam causes another again. But were the abuse is real bad is with these scam stocks. The shorts see an opening where they know the stock will fail because of the severe dilution or pump and dumps. But as I said, scams beget scams.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: I believe the SEC has a lot to answer for but the website Investagatethesec is real biased about there articles and tend to stretch the truth. Sort of like the CMKX cult does for CMKX. They talked earlier about how there was a lot of pinks that were revoked and they were loaded with NSS. They make it out that the SEC is revoking these to cover up the abuse. But I see it as these scams are targets of NSS. They are hiding information so shareholders don't know whats going on so shorty see an chance to make money. Is this abuse wrong, he11 yes but still the company is breaking SEC rules. They should be shut down like CMKX should be shut down. But just because the scammers are scamming on a scam doesn't make the company exempt from its responsibilities. Global had proof of NSS, the SEC isn't revoking them. Why, because they didn't break SEC rules. You think the SEC might be finding these scams because of the scammers interest in them? Who knows but the blame game continues. You refuse to see that you invested in a bad stock, so you look for a scape goat.
[ July 09, 2005, 02:31: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
i agree ric...the gagging of the t/a needs to be outlawed. in some cases it may be they are too lazy to look up the number. either way every company should by law be required to provide o/s & float on demand by any interested investor. the rest of the financial info would need to be audited thus costing money but share struture numbers are free. it would also help with naked shorting. informed experianced investors can read dilution on a days trade numbers. even if the o/s is a few hundred million you can tell by volume & L2 changes. if you have the o/s & watching a days trading says dilution yet the o/s hasn't changed.... that will not work all the time, many will think ns'ing but it may help keep the mm's in line as daytraders & short term traders will catch the patterns. ppl will call the SEC and public pressure can be applied by this. the more the pressure from a bunch of differant angles the better the chance something is done to fix the problem.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok this is for comic relief...even the PB32 think this clown has lost it...lol
Where in the world do these people come from? LMAO!
By: cmkxmillionaire 08 Jul 2005, 08:39 PM EDT Msg. 1029593 of 1029633 Jump to msg. # Hello friends
I am sitting here at a bistro eating a salad and thinking of the great time I will have if this hits soon as I expect. I heard that some bad guys almost found me the other day as I slept. Fortunately, I had switched bungalows and wasn't where I was thought to be. I sometimes change locations 10-12 times a day to stay ahead of those that would like to hide the truth. "Operation Condor" has not relented at all. I could soon be a trillionaire!!!!! I hear from a few reliable sources that this thing could top $100/sh!!!! I feel a short squeeze coming on that will rock the world!!!!!! I have a meeting with a high-ranking official soon that will be very enlightening I am sure. Oh, Oh I just heard a noise. I am tired of Europe. I want to be able to come home in peace. I hope that soon it will be safe for me to return. Until then, keep the faith.
(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long; ST Rating- Strong Buy; LT Rating- Strong Buy)
Posted by Highwaychild on :
LOL! Pretty funny stuff... "Oh, Oh I just heard a noise." ...LOL!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Sittin in a bistro and heard a noise?????????
Well that is amazing.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Something tells me, the next of his 10-12 daily locations was probably a head shop...
Posted by ed19363 on :
Whatever he is smoking, I'd like to buy a couple ounces.....LOL
Posted by glassman on :
i bet he's in Amsterdam
wonder what those "croutons" are in his salad?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
" rock the world " " high ranking officials " " Operation Condor " " bad guys " " trillonaire " " $100 pps " being chased all over Europe " ------------------------------------------------- Get out the net!... Before this character blows himself up!
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm wondering if that salad had a green bud like substance instead of leafy green. i'm sure the noise he heard was more of his deep fried brain crumbling to ash.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ed19363 Member
Member Rated: posted July 09, 2005 12:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whatever he is smoking, I'd like to buy a couple ounces.....LOL
ed you plan on hiding in europe so that the truth about cmkx won't be forced out of you too????...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok here is the next cult talking point. its from march 6th 2005 & a Reno, nevada newspaper. i'm amazed...30 mining operations?? a diamond mine???. i'm guessing the reporter talked to UC when he was sitting next to a nude dancer & half way thru a bottle of Jack Black. either that or he was next to the guy in europe in that noisy bistro....lol
CMKM Diamonds
The Securities and Exchange Commission announced that it was temporarily suspending Las Vegas-based CMKM Diamonds Inc. from trading its shares until March 16, citing the firm’s failure to answer questions about its business and mining operations and to file required SEC reports on time since 2002.
The commission, in Thursday’s issue of SEC News Digest, warned brokers, dealers, shareholders and prospective stock buyers of the government’s concerns that CMKM “relied on a Form S-8 to issue unrestricted securities” and that some shareholders might have broken SEC laws in reselling shares in CMKM.
The SEC, which said CMKM has been delinquent in filing SEC reports since fiscal 2002, stated that it took action thanks to the assistance of the National Association of Securities Dealers and the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission.
The announcement came only two weeks after CMKM said in a release it had filed a Form 15 with the SEC and that its reporting status had been reinstated. The company appointed Robert Maheu, one-time aide to the late billionaire Howard Hughes, to its board of directors in January.
CMKM, run by Urban Casavant, a former prison guard from Prince Albert, Canada, said it has 30 mining operations for potash and uranium in Saskatchewan and is mining for diamonds on the James Smith Cree National Reserve there.
Posted by Upside on :
You're close Bill, he was getting a lap dance and the reporter was the dancer working her night job. Urban was laying his drunken Casavant charm on her.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Okay, Has anybody really seen UC. How come I can't find a picture of this guy. I'm now starting to wonder if he really exists at all. My wife has been reading this whole mess over my shoulder and wonders about me as well. Well, wasn't that nice, she brought me some tea.... ... wait, this doesn't taste like tea.... it tastes like cherry koola...................OH MY GOD ..........................aaarrrgggggggggggg
Posted by legaleagle on :
Urban is the evil looking scam artist in the center. LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
And the equally devious and demonic "Carolyn"
Posted by striper on :
ric what's your proof that cmkx is a scam?
striper
Posted by Ric on :
Whats your proof it isn't.
But we can start off with 703 billion o/s. Gagged TA. When new TA took over and released o/s at 400 billion they fired them and got back the old one and lied that it wasn't true. They refuse to show any proof of income, expenses, or mining sites. There office is in the owners house. He meets his partners at the slot machines in Vegas. Well, heres a good starting list:
Before the hearing
* Authorized Shares increased from less than 1 billion to 800 billion * Outstanding Shares increased from less than 1 billion to 779 billion * 500 billion in dilution from March 2004 to March 2005 * 407 billion on shareholders list as of March 2005 * Was told we would be pleasantly surprised by O/S and made to believe it was under 400 billion. Melvin on the air denies that the O/S is over 400 Billion after TA fiasco * CMKX Transfer Agent gagged per direction of the UC * Refuses to give investors basic information on company * Refuses to give share structure * CMKX trading unregistered shares in SASK, trading halted there * SASK inquiry into CMKX valuations ignored * CMKX partner USCA under investigation by the SASK * No revenue stream from company operations * Repeated claims of being close to reporting when in fact no attempt had been made * Claims in Canada for mineral rights, made to believe 100's of holes drilled. but only 15 * Let the only promising hole go. It was sold on E-Bay * UC buys a 3.5 million dollar property, motor-home, hummer, boat, likes to gamble, likes to race funny cars while shareholders value decreases * UC at race track almost every weekend * Spent investors money to sponsor motorcycle and drag racing * Advertises stock instead of company, Got CMKX * Voids in records * UC says he doesn't know how to run a public company * UC blames others for mismanagement * SEC investigation and temporary halt * Lied on form 15 more then 100% off (claimed under 300, had 689)
During the hearing
* Judge ruled that NS is not going to be admitted into evidence * She asked SEC if they think CMKX has NS and the SEC said no * When asked by the SEC, TA stated there was no record of CMKX management inquiring into the number of shareholders in July 2003 * RG was paid $250,000 and one page report was presented * Urban shows up with his own personal lawyer * Urban invokes his 5th Amendment right to not answer any/all questions asked by the SEC attorneys (12 minutes of "I take the 5th") * Maheu testifies he was not aware of the problems the new accountant and attorney were having in receiving documentation from Urban to get filings completed. * Maheu can’t answer question on companies operations * We find out Urban runs CMKX from his house, not the company PR'd new offices in Las Vegas * Maheu paid $40,000 a month. Has been paid for 2 months pay even though he has been there 4 months and Judge makes joke about the amount he is paid * Accountants: all quit after frustration in not being able to do their jobs. Current accountant, Neil Levine, resigns on May 9th one day before the hearing * Rendal Williams (CEO of UCAD & 50/50 partner with CMKX) has a "failing memory" when questioned on the stand, he apparently is distancing himself from CMKX/Urban Casavant * Oct. party was in evidence over claims made that didn’t happen * Green Baron interview played because of claims made in it also * Carolyn Casavant wrote checks against the company account although she is not an officer of the company, explanation given to the court "that's what wife's do." * Current financial status, over $30 million in debt *Judge says this is a filing issue * Has till 29th of June for rebuttals and decision will be by July 15th
After the hearing
* Two .011 micron size diamonds * Only 15 holes drilled, nothing found in any except in one hole see above * Drilling report says to give it up people. * Company issued PR that 100's of anomalies found from goldak fly over yet 8K states 16 from goldak fly over & some of them may not be worth drilling * Refuses to give investors basic information on company. * Refuses to give share structure * SEC reply says it all * UC at race track almost every weekend * Frizzle working on proving NS
CMKX's actual results could differ materially from such forward-looking statements because of factors such as: actual or perceived benefits of the Jarvis report; any findings or recommendations contained in the report; uncertain regulatory scrutiny; the current state of CMKX's operations; unavailability of documentation and corporate records; benefits of the to be commenced summer drilling program; the ability to rebuild financial records; timing necessary to comply with reporting requirements; lack of adequate internal controls; unforeseen capital deficiencies; changes in the mining and metals environment, including actions of competitors; the effectiveness of CMKX's development and drilling programs; regulatory and legal changes; and other risks associated with companies in similar industries. CMKX undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect current events or circumstances after the date hereof or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.
[ July 10, 2005, 00:14: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by striper on :
Ric thanks for your response. Not looking to go for cmkx and me. But I hold on just in case. At this point it's all or nothing.
striper
Posted by bill1352 on :
there ya go again Ric, trying to use facts to explain the riches cmkx holds for the investors. after all this time have you not realized facts have nothing to do with how cmkx will make every investor rich? its based on unreal expectations. the cash comes from citi bank, 30 mining operations, diamond mines on an indian reservation. it comes from scared hedge funds throwing huge amounts at cmkx shareholders to shut them up. it comes from debeers willing to do anything to stop cmkx from becoming king of the diamond world. just think about it...if you were these large powerful organizations what would you do if you saw the cmkx cult coming after you. you'd know the only way to stop iron bob, UC, stocklien, frizzy & the cult is by huge amounts of cash....well either that or extra strong electric shock treatments & bottles of prozac.
Posted by Ric on :
Remodeling kitchen, two days of ripping out cabinets, a storage closet, and flooring. I feel like an old man now. Knees hurts, back hurts, and arms hurt. Yet I still have to put everything back now. Any good tips for Monday so I can make enough to hire someone to finish, lol.
Posted by Ric on :
The chit is getting too deep. Might have to buy bigger boots to read much more of this crap.
By: johngo 10 Jul 2005, 12:30 AM EDT Msg. 1030715 of 1030715 (This msg. is a reply to 1030705 by jay_adobe.) Jump to msg. # Jay I totally agree CMKX is nearly an empty shell CIMC is the new enity and don't be surprised if we get suspended for about 45 days, but still go private then public to AMEX let the SEC/DTC take all the NSS and deal with it.
Intersting how Frizzle goes to DC and less the a week later we have a delay...the senate banking committe is powerful and knows about CMKX by Maheu. They IMO will use CMKX as the example of the total incompetence of the SEC/DTC but that is just my opinion...Good Night
Posted by ACKCANE on :
I don't know how much money you other guys have put into this but I haven't spent $1000 and felt so good about it as I have with CMKX. The entertainment has been phenomenal! It's close to a trip to VEGAS! I may cry when the take it away in a few days, but only because I will miss the insanity.
Posted by Ric on :
heres a website were the person running the site is trying to get interest in a lawsuit to recoup loses from cmkx. still under construction.
Posted by will on :
That is worth copying and pasting, Ric:
Did you lose a significant amount of money in your CMKX "investment"?
Are you really pissed off that you fell for the CMKX hype?
Do you think Urban Casavant's conduct during this promotion rises to the level of criminal behavior?
Do you want to nail his fat ass, along with his co-conspirators?
Do you want Dr. Diamonds, Green Baron, Willy Wizard, Sterling, Judy Cline, Accadacca, Carquest, Topogigo, and Jay Adobe to have their day in court?
Are you disgusted with the assclown circus being staged by Frizzell and Martin, and the total lack of results and financial accountability of their efforts?
We are, and we want to do something about it. We want to sue the b*stards.
No, this is not some lame call for a class action suit, where an attorney is the only one to gain. This is an attempt to organize a group of shareholders with significant losses, hire an attorney, and go after the circle of scam companies, their CEO's personal assets, and individuals who we believe are the paid promoters of this pump and dump.
This site is under construction. It will be fully interactive by July 5. Interested? Learn more.
Posted by will on :
"Do you want Dr. Diamonds, Green Baron, Willy Wizard, Sterling, Judy Cline, Accadacca, Carquest, Topogigo, and Jay Adobe to have their day in court?" You can add legaleagle, (noah), and the "rightious" miss debbie, (WWJDthruMe), to that list. They probably haven't received free shares from CMKX to pump this pos, but they sure worked the inexperienced new comers over on this board. They might be secondary pumpers, but that's who the paid pumpers mentioned above depend on to do the real recruiting.
"assclown circus", they are also guilty of promoting the second round of money milking from unsuspecting new comers that fell for round one, buying into this pos. Oh wait, we're into round three already, aren't we? Mr. Frizzell, (pronounced, (Friz ZELL), is wetting his beak for a second fee. Again, highly recommending and heavily promoted by second echelon of the pumping orginization under the guise of the O/G.
[ July 10, 2005, 10:52: Message edited by: will ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
Posts: 1260 Registered: 22-10-2004 Member Is Online
posted on 10-7-2005 at 11:05 AM
Before you judge Urban and CMKX
By: stockpicks3 10 Jul 2005, 12:55 AM EDT Msg. 143181 of 143190 Jump to msg. # Tough Questions
Question 1:
If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis,would you recommend that she have an abortion?
Read the next question before looking at the response for this one.
Question 2:
It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three candidates.
Candidate A.
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
Candidate B.
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.
Candidate C. He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.Which of these candidates would be your choice? Decide first... no peeking, then scroll down for the response.
Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Candidate B is Winston Churchill.
Candidate C is Adolph Hitler.
And, by the way, on your answer to the abortion question: If you said YES, you just killed Beethoven.
Pretty interesting isn't it? Makes a person think before judging someone.
Wait till you see the end of this note! Keep reading...
Never be afraid to try something new.
Remember: Amateurs...built the ark.
Professionals...built the Titanic
And Finally, can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics:
29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
3 have done time for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year...
Can you guess which organization this is?
Give up yet?
It's the 535 members of the United States Congress. The same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.
"There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens" Ecc 3,1
Posted by ed19363 on :
I would love to see some attorney step up and take this case on a contingency basis. It would be a pleasure to see a lot of these people doing time and losing their houses. Vindictive? Damn right I'm vindictive, and I'm tired of being ripped off. "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore"
Go get em.
Posted by legaleagle on :
There ya go, now you guys can have your own OG. You can see by the language that this is a highly professional group that speaks with the same level of intelligence that many here do. Seems perfect to me.......get out your checkbooks.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: I would love to see some attorney step up and take this case on a contingency basis. It would be a pleasure to see a lot of these people doing time and losing their houses. Vindictive? Damn right I'm vindictive, and I'm tired of being ripped off. "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore"
Go get em.
But you want him to take it on contingency???? LOL Aren't you mad enough to get in your pocket like the serious owners group did?
Posted by ed19363 on :
NO
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok legal, i read noahs post. can i judge UC now??? if so my judgement is either a complete moron or a con man. someone that has done nothing in the best interests of the shareholders. a person that has either lied or diliberately misinformed the investing public. a person that only cares about himself & not the ppl that had faith in him, proven when given the choice of answering questions & owning up to his either mistakes or criminal actions pleaded the 5th. i can understand not saying anything if he was hiding criminal actions but not if cmkx problems are a result of his mistakes. a man owns up to his mistakes even more so when those mistakes may cause others to lose big money.
Posted by bill1352 on :
if your going to sue you never pay the lawyer up front. you make him earn his cut first.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Thanks for the support, Bill, you hit the nail right on the head. If a lawyer believes in a cause, he will take the case on a contingency basis, not charge $250 an hour on a maybe.
There is a big discussion going on right now on PB32 about sending Frizz money. Everybody seems afraid to post why NOT to send him money.
First, CMKX is one tiny step from revocation. Second, what Frizz is finding will have no bearing on the case. Third, once the revocation is announced, all of Frizz's work becomes a moot point.
So, to use the words I hate most: IMO, anyone who sends money to Frizz is chasing bad money with good. Stand up and take it like men. You've been ripped off by experts. Money lost, better luck next time.
And taking on the government? Not a good idea, as the old adage says, "You cant fight city hall". Mess around enough with a government agency and they will sic the dogs on you.
It may take a while for most of those folks, but eventually reality will sink in and they will move on.
End of conversation, no argumentative replies necessary. Just as I cant change the cult's mind, they cant change mine either.
Best of luck with your NEXT investment.
Posted by DiQuiRiesco on :
quote:Originally posted by Otttoman: There are many negatives with CMKX which is obvious, but also some positives, IMO. Only time will tell for sure, but it's like any other stock on the market, risky and a gamble. Maybe more like the lottery with miserable odds but a great payday if luck is on your side. In any case, I'd rather take a shot at the golden ring and fail, than never have even tried at all. It's easier to sit on the sidelines and criticize the players, than to actually play the game. It doesnt matter if you win or lose, but how you played the game, and crybaby spectators go home with nothing regarless of the outcome. If your in you win, if you doubt get out.
It does matter if you win or lose nitwit... this is the stock market. People are here to make money. If you honestly don't care if you win or lose then maybe you should tryy lawn darts and leave the market to the grown ups.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: ok legal, i read noahs post. can i judge UC now??? if so my judgement is either a complete moron or a con man. someone that has done nothing in the best interests of the shareholders. a person that has either lied or diliberately misinformed the investing public. a person that only cares about himself & not the ppl that had faith in him, proven when given the choice of answering questions & owning up to his either mistakes or criminal actions pleaded the 5th. i can understand not saying anything if he was hiding criminal actions but not if cmkx problems are a result of his mistakes. a man owns up to his mistakes even more so when those mistakes may cause others to lose big money.
Where has Urban lied or misinformed? I recently re-read the PRs to see if he had. The closest anyone can come, is over "filing". Last fall he had Roger Glenn working on getting filings and was announcing the work on such, but then we were hit with the USCA suspension and investigation (btw:no charges filed). When that one ended, we brought on IBM to get the process working. Again SEC suspensions were brought prematurely to stop us from filing as we prepared to file. (And that's the best they could find.) Even the one filing we were able to put in the record is still short the Table 1, that failed to make it through the SEC's Edgar, and goes still unpublished. Then the SEC fails to bring in the witnesses who could set the record straight, DeSormeau, Edwards, and Dvorak; and instead opt to interrogate Urban who probably had never made an entry in the books in his life. No wonder he took the fifth. If the USCA and CMKX debacles doesn't convince anyone of an SEC witch hunt, then they go after SGGM.
But back to the "lying and misinformation". Show me the lies in a PR. In reality, the only lies in CMKX at this time are those from the people who deluded themselves by reading "into" the PR, or believing the "race track rumors", or posting the negatively designed lies and criminal libel that permeate this board.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Show me the lies in a PR.
No real lies in this one but I'll start off with it just cause it was my favorite:
Temporary Drilling Delay at Fort a la Corne for Casavant Mining Kimberlite International 10/30/2003 9:30:00 AM LAS VEGAS, Oct 30, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) regrets to inform its shareholders that the company's exploration efforts in Fort a la Corne have been temporarily set back in their schedule for electro magnetic surveying and the drilling which was to commence late last week. The delay is from unexpected magnetic storms caused by "sunspots" or explosions on the sun, as reported by numerous sources recently on the news and Internet. Scientists observed the biggest explosion in 30 years on Tuesday, which produced a particle cloud 13 times larger than Earth and hurtled through the solar system at more than 1 million miles per hour. The geomagnetic storm is expected to disrupt communication satellites, television transmissions, GPS navigation and possibly the flow of electricity in some areas.
Next, this one contained an outright lie:
Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces that Spin-Out Company CMI To Go Public Within Two Weeks 12/8/2003 9:08:03 AM LAS VEGAS, Dec 08, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- On August 22, 2003 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Board of Directors announced the approval of the spin-out of corporate zinc deposits at George Lake, Saskatchewan, its wholly owned subsidiary Casavant Mining International, Inc. (CMI). CMKM shareholders received a dividend of one share of CMI stock for every share of CMKM stock on October 3, 2003.
Casavant Mining International, Inc. (CMI) is currently private but plans to go public within two weeks. Details of company going public will be announced shortly.
No outright lies in this one but certainly deceitful, remember the timing.
CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces 'Carolyn Pipe' Lab Results Confirm Diamondiferous Kimberlite 6/10/2004 6:26:00 PM LAS VEGAS, Jun 10, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is very excited to announce that the "Carolyn Pipe" is confirmed to be diamondiferous.
Saskatchewan Research Council (SRC), an independent lab located in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan reported to the company today that the core samples from the "Carolyn Pipe" has come back positive for diamond content. The "Carolyn Pipe" is located on the jointly owned Smeaton property in Saskatchewan, Canada held by CMKM Diamonds Inc., being the primary operator of the claims, United Carina Resources Corp. ( UCA ), Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. ( KPG ) and U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. ( UCAD ).
Here's one with an outright lie, note the Green Lake comment where they couldn't drill because of the ice. This was on May 27th! I called a fishing lodge on Green Lake that day and was told that he had fishing parties at the lodge and the ice was gone a month prior:
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Update on Carolyn Pipe and Targets Selected for Drilling on Green Lake 5/27/2004 9:30:00 AM LAS VEGAS, May 27, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is pleased to announce that the Company has completed the first phase of drilling of the "Carolyn Pipe" in the Fort a la Corne, Saskatchewan area. Five holes were drilled, of which four intersected kimberlite.
Drill hole #1 intersected 428 feet of kimberlite. Drill hole #2, north of hole #1, intersected about 246 feet of kimberlite. Drill hole #3, east of hole #1, did not intersect any kimberlite. Drill hole #4, west of hole #1, intersected 206 feet of kimberlite. Drill hole #5, north of #4, hole approx. 226 feet of kimberlite, although there is a 15 foot interval of mudstone in the kimberlite, which may be a layer of sediment laid between two episodes of kimberlitic volcanism. Thinner layers of mudstone in the kimberlite in other holes may also be either blocks or layers of sediment.
The kimberlite intervals from holes #1 and #2 have been split and half of the core has been sent to an independent laboratory for microdiamond analysis by total dissolution. The results are expected soon and further work on the "Carolyn Pipe" will depend on those results.
The Company would also like to announce an update on the Green Lake claims, which are located in the province of Saskatchewan. The core drilling at the Green Lake claims has been delayed and will not commence, at this time, because of the possible difficulties of drilling the target through the ice. The Green Lake claims were targeted for core drilling prior to the kimberlite find, at the "Carolyn Pipe", but further examination of the drill location indicated swift currents below the surface of the ice which may have caused considerable damage to the drill equipment. It had been determined that drilling other priority targets would be in the best interest for the drilling program, while further research to achieve a successful core drilling for this target can be attained
That's all for now but there's many more available if anyone's interested.
Posted by glassman on :
i bet those croutons are "E" and and all the cmk? faithful have been eating 'em Posted by legaleagle on :
"Casavant Mining International, Inc. (CMI) is currently private but plans to go public within two weeks. Details of company going public will be announced shortly."
Notice the word "plans". Plans change based on current business environment.
It was diamondiferous. Did you read in more than it said. And we also still have the cores locked up in a secured warehouse. I didn't see any wording about the "motherload" but many wanted it to be. And it "may" be the motherload, and the reason for "secuing" it in AZTM, another Dhonau company.
"and the ice was gone a month prior" The decision to stop drilling probably preceeded the announcement of cessation by some time. Note that it is almost an addendum to the primary report.
Posted by will on :
"It was diamondiferous. Did you read in more than it said."
Well, I remember when that PR'd, you and little miss WWJDthruMe, sure did read more into than it said. Y'll listened to that fool Melvin, with the splooge on his desk.
Why even bother, you can't win with this horse's ass.
From your own mouth, noah: "there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions." That's exactly what you do, and have been doing for over a year.
[ July 10, 2005, 15:46: Message edited by: will ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
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And the SEC is going to use your money to grandfather more fails to deliver, protect naked shorters, try and dematerialize paper certificates, make transfer agents disappear, limit the DTC's and their own liability, and revoke the registration of our stock.
Please support John's and Bill's efforts during phase II, if for no better reason than to help negate the effects of the money that you're going to send to the SEC tomorrow!
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Legal, the SEC referred to activities of CMKX as being "fraudulent". Frankly, they were being kind in that description.
I prefer the term deceptive. Webster's provides synonyms of "fraud, double-dealing, under handedness, subterfuge and trickery" to the term "deception" Too bad Webster did not include "lies" because that fits too.
Everything that came out of CMKX in the form of legitimate PRs was with UC's tacit approval. That includes Melvin's statements. We all know what was said and published as PR. As far as reading more into it than was there, it was you faithful cult members who got carried away with every stupid little detail or rumor. In every case those details/rumors were misleading or grossly false....including the number of O/S.
One of the most deceptive things was to increase the Authorized to 800 billion shares without telling shareholders until they had found out that fact for themselves. Until you faithful could figure out a new spin (a presumed takeover attempt) that kept your mouths shut. Many of us heard the silence of the faithful. That was just one of the instances where the faithful cult members were stunned into silence.
How about telling us things that Urban Casavant said that were not lies or were not deceptive....and provide positive proof. I am not speaking about didly squat things, but MEANINGFUL things important to shareholders. Things they have been begging to hear and are entitled to know. Shall we start with the location of the company offices which he attested to on official documents signed by him. How about Melvin who supposedly (according to UC) would always be with CMKX? Just a white one? How about that flyover which included other companies' claims, but somehow that fact got left out of CMKX's PR? Just where is that damn "warehouse" with such a valuable find? Wait! That came from Melvin who worked PR for UC, and if true, must still be kept secret. BS!
Time and time again either Melvin, UC or someone else made a statement or released a PR and you faithful cult members distorted it all to hell and back with some kind of positive spin. Look where that got you! To the eve of revocation. Now you are taking another spin angle with CIM or with NSS. One is as ignorant as the other in the sense of doing anything positive for CMKX publicly suckered shareholders.
Posted by bill1352 on :
UC stated on the green baron interview that CMKX was further ahead in filing then expected. he hadn't done anything yet to be filing. what did RG send..1 sheet, it said no files. no auditor ever hired since 2002. NOTHING was done towards filing. now maybe it was a play on words. he might have bought some office supplies to begin making up financial records & he hadn't planned on getting that far along yet. as for the SEC not calling the witnesses you named legal, the ones you say could have set things straight, why didn't CMKX call them? they also had the chance to call witnesses. ya think maybe cmkx didn't want them on a witness stand? ya think maybe it would have been more taking the 5th going on? i'd bet thats all they would have done. roger glenn could not be called, he was cmkx's lawyer. there has been nothing from cmkx that is completely honest. all half truths. they have stated the SEC wants them to shut up about normal investor info, melvin screamed the o/s was not 400 billion, the diamondferious chit. just about every single cmkx pr had something in it that needed a lawyer to explain. the second gemm divy that was never handed out. they cancel the first divy about noon on the pay date & move it to the second divy pay date then shut up about it. the only mistake was the fine print on the OTC announcement pages, it gave away the scam. every OTC posting about gemm pay date in the fine print on the bottom refered back the the first gemm divy. the second gemm divy was never scheduled for a pay date.
Posted by Otttoman on :
I love this board. One slightly positive post and I've alrady been called a pinhead, loser, and nitwit, LOL. In most cases I'd take offense, but in this case I just consider the source, LMFAO. I actually feel honored that someone would respond to my post 4 pages later, again LMFAO. Bashers enabling bashers is what it amounts to. I'd just like to know why so many people would waste so much time bashing a worthless, soon to be evoked stock like CMKX. Talk about beating a dead horse. I can at least understand the koolaide drinking cult members (as this board so cleverly calls them) point of view, since they have something positive to hope for assuming they own stock. What's in it for the bashers on this board, even if CMKX is evoked, suspended, Casavant goes to jail, whatever? To all the bashers and nay-sayers, if you want to see a real pinhead, loser, or nitwit just look in the mirror, then get a life already, LMFAO. Allright, I've set the stage...get ready, get set, Bash.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, I am sure Legal thought posting this was proof of good things for CMKX but actually this PR proves a lot of lies (fibs). The big one being, by announcing the Cert pull and registering of shares would be a good thing, heres another example of why UC should have known there was more then 300 shareholders. At least you would think they would have checked it out after asking more people to register in there name or pull cert. To me, this helps prove that they filed a false form 15 knowingly. I let others comment on the other parts of the PR that is of trouble.
Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Inc. (OTCBB:CMKI) announced today a series of corporate initiatives in advance of the January 15, 2003 majority shareholder meeting to be held in Las Vegas, NV.
First, CMKI is encouraging every shareholder to hold his shares in certificate form and if the shares are held in street name to make sure that he registers the shares in his own name to make sure the shareholder is properly identified in the official shareholder's audit that is being conducted by the Company and its Transfer Agent. The purpose of the audit is to make sure that every shareholder of record is identified for purposes of the CMKI's mandatory share and cash dividend policy. The share and cash dividend policy is explained below in fuller detail.
Second, CMKI will be contacting the broker-dealer and market maker community to request their cooperation in the shareholder audit. In this regard, CMKI has identified the following market-makers who are active in the Company's shares based on information obtained on January 6, 2003 at www.otc.bb.com, as follows:
AGIS Aegis Capital Corp. BAMM Brokerage America, Inc. BMAS BMA Securities BPAT Baird, Patrick & Co., Inc. CLYN Carlin Equities Corp. DOMS Domestic Securities, Inc. FRAN Wm. V. Frankel & Co., Inc. GNET Globenet Securities, Inc. (1) GNLN Gunallen Financial, Inc. GVRC GVR Company LLC HILL Hill Thompson Magid, L.P. JEFF Jeffries & Company, Inc. LTCO Ladenburg, Thalman & Co., Inc. MAYF May Financial Corporation MHMY M. H. Meyerson & Co., Inc. NAIB Global Partners Securities Inc. NATL National Securities Corporation NITE Knight Securities, L.P. PGON Paragon Capital Markets, Inc. PILL Phillip Louis Trading Corp. PRGM Program Trading Corp. PUGS Puglisi & Co. QUIN Park Financial Group, Inc. SCHB Schwab Capital Markets, L.P. SEAB Seabord Securities, Inc. TDCM T.D. Waterhouse Capital Markets VFIN Vfinance Investments, Inc. (1) Globenet Securities, Inc. was an active market maker during part of the trading day on January 6, 2003, but later "excused" itself from market making activities.
Third, CMKI has been informed that majority shareholders plan on holding their shares in certificate form indefinitely if it helps the Company combat "naked short selling". Under a naked short sale, short positions are not declared, shares are not borrowed to cover the short sale, and the shares are sold without delivering the stock to the purchaser. Real shareholder ownership is undermined by naked short sales of stock and failed deliveries of real certificates that artificially inflate ownership and devalue the price of the securities.
Fourth, CMKI, as previously announced, plans on approving at its majority shareholder meeting a mandatory share and cash dividend policy. The share dividend policy reflects the Company's acquisition strategy that identifies undervalued take-over targets in mineral resource and related businesses. The Company is currently evaluating 7 companies each of whom will benefit from new managerial economic assessment, asset appraisals, accounting peer review and legal restructuring.
Fifth, CMKI believes that its shareholders and the targeted company's shareholders will best benefit from a "cross-dividend" policy. For example, if CMKI acquires a new target company in an exchange of shares, CMKI will pay its shareholders a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of shares exchanged with the new target company. The shareholders of the new target company will be treated with the same fairness and therefore will be entitled to receive a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of CMKI shares exchanged with the new target company. Since the mining and mineral resources business is highly fragmented, CMKI believes that its acquisition strategy will provide a way to leverage its assets into a larger more diversified portfolio of companies.
Sixth, CMKI believes that its cross-dividend policy will result in share dividends being issued in the 3Q03. The legal audit of its shareholders of record will speed up this process. Further, CMKI has structured its mandatory 10% cash dividend policy (which is based on its net earnings) to benefit those shareholders of record on the declared dividend date.
Seventh, CMKI believes that its acquisition strategy, spearheaded by the Casavant Family, will require the addition of a seasoned management team. Accordingly, the Board of Directors has nominated Jay McFadden to become Vice-Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, David Bending as President and Chief Operation Officer, and Rick Taulli as Secretary. Messrs. McFadden, Bending and Taulli are currently affiliated with Juina Mining Corporation. See www.juinamining.com. The Board of Directors has nominated David DeSorneau as Treasurer. Mr. DeSorneau was previously a consultant to CMKI. See December 3, 2002 Press Release. The nominations will be voted upon by the majority shareholders at the January 15, 2003 meeting.
Eighth, CMKI will be a featured guest on the news talk radio show "Not for Widows and Orphans", hosted by international economist Mike King at Princeton Research, Inc. The radio talk show is broadcast live via the internet every Sunday evening. The talk show schedule is available at www.princetonresearch.com .
FORWARD LOOKING STATEMENTS
This Press Release contains "forward looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, (the "Securities Act") and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, (the "Exchange Act"). All statements that are included in this Press Release other than statements of historical fact are "forward looking" statements. Although Management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward looking statements are reasonable. It can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward looking statements contained in this Press Release.
COPYRIGHT 2003 Business Wire COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Also, remember the SEC apparently found something askew that was not part of the hearing. I sure do hope they shed some light on that subject or bring it to the attention of authorities that will do so. My guess is some other kind of illegal activity.
Posted by Ric on :
Why should UC be stressed out. He made over 80 million dollars selling shares and he put the blame off on NSS and the SEC. I would be happy to all the way to the bank.
Does UC sound stressed out? I think NOT! .........
Bill Frizzell stated in today's CMKX Owners Group Update:
"I talked with UC on Tuesday and Wednesday. He again expressed his intentions to get these matters behind us. We have agreed to revisit a trip to Ecuador and Canada after this revocation proceeding is settled or ruled upon."
To get these above stated matters "behind us" means that at some point we are ahead...so to speak. By "ahead" means we (as a company/entity, assets, and shareholders, etc., etc.) are alive and kicking. In addition, the comment "we have agreed to revisit a trip to Ecuador and Canada after this revocation proceeding is settled or ruled upon" tells me that life will go on as usual. No matter how you slice it, Urban does not seem to be overly concerned or stressed out for that matter......even to those that are closer to him than the average lay Shareholder.....such as is the case with Bill Frizzell. Again, all of the above is IMHO.
God Bless to all!
Peter (Dxild)
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Well, Ottoman,
You have been with those CT people too long. Just being hooked on the word "evoked" tells me that much. As you said, "LMFAO"!!! Glad you're intrigued and humored by this thread anyway. Good luck to you.
Posted by Ric on :
Obviously you haven't been reading the board. Its not that this is a scam. Most people know that and leave it alone. Legal wants it to sound like theres only 5 people in the world that say something negative about this.
But it really is none of the above or below. It's entertainment. There are some very good investors here and this (not sure what to call it) has been a great source of laughs, fun, entertainment among a group of regulars. Hey, even legal likes it and us or he wouldn't keep coming back for the abuse, lol.
quote:Originally posted by Otttoman: I love this board. One slightly positive post and I've alrady been called a pinhead, loser, and nitwit, LOL. In most cases I'd take offense, but in this case I just consider the source, LMFAO. I actually feel honored that someone would respond to my post 4 pages later, again LMFAO. Bashers enabling bashers is what it amounts to. I'd just like to know why so many people would waste so much time bashing a worthless, soon to be evoked stock like CMKX. Talk about beating a dead horse. I can at least understand the koolaide drinking cult members (as this board so cleverly calls them) point of view, since they have something positive to hope for assuming they own stock. What's in it for the bashers on this board, even if CMKX is evoked, suspended, Casavant goes to jail, whatever? To all the bashers and nay-sayers, if you want to see a real pinhead, loser, or nitwit just look in the mirror, then get a life already, LMFAO. Allright, I've set the stage...get ready, get set, Bash.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hell, Ottoman, I was called all kinds of names too...including loser, liar, azzhole and a variety of others. And, that was by most of the people over on that CT forum right now. Welcome to high society!
Posted by Ric on :
Isn't it funny though Wallace that the ones that stand up and preach the loudest tend to be the meanest when you don't agree with them.
And as I stated many times Ottoman, if I didn't know for 100% that this was a scam to rip investors, I wouldn't have fun with it.
Posted by Ric on :
Wow over 3000 worthless posts. I am going to be up there with Will and Glassman soon. But then too if my last name hadn't messed up, I would already be there.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Hell, Ottoman, I was called all kinds of names too...including loser, liar, azzhole and a variety of others. And, that was by most of the people over on that CT forum right now. Welcome to high society!
The byrd isn't at Christian Traders. Could you please provide a link to an old post where CT folks called you anything other than "WRONG".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
The byrd has been at CT and was welcomed by all of you clowns with open arms. As far as providing links to posts, I cannot be bothered with things you should very well remember but, as with CMKX, UC, Roger Glen, DeSormeau, Dhonau, Maheu and others, refuse to do so.
I don't believe I have ever come across a more stubborn and blind, single minded person in my entire 66 years. Yes, legal, I am sorry to say that with all your other attributes, you are an outright fool.
I truly feel sorry for anyone you came in contact with on the police force that YOU thought was guilty of some offense. I swear, you would have spun a yarn for 30 years in jail at the least....no matter how innocent. That should really be checked out wherever you were.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Who cares where they are. The fact is that none of them have the balls to use the same name in two places. Makes it look like two people with the same opinion. At least I use the same name everywhere. Take your links and shove em where the sun dont shine.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I was just wondering what and where you people are going to go once cmkx bites the dust. There are a million penny scams going on, so let me know which board you all migrate to so I can keep my daily entertainment going .. okay. S5
Posted by ed19363 on :
I'm considering NCDP. Looks like it might need bashing shortly...
Posted by Ric on :
I know most here are into penny stocks but heres one you might want to keep an eye on. 100% above pps buyout offer. Got to love the excitement of poker now also and the TV rev's are skyrocketing.
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Trading in shares of WPT Enterprises (WPTE) was halted on Friday after the Los Angeles-based owner of The World Poker Tour acknowledged its receipt of an unsolicited acquisition proposal that values it at $700 million. The stock was up almost 60% to $28.20 before the halt after the offer was first reported in The New York Post. The article says the bid is from a private group led by poker player Doyle Brunson. According to the Post, the proposal would value WPT shares roughly double Thursday's closing price of $17.75. WPT said in its brief press release that it's attempting to verify the credibility of the offer, which doesn't specify terms, before beginning the process of evaluating it.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Is that mining...seems mining's hot right now. It's fairly hard to verify pr's. Creative and many pr's is usually a clue to a potential scam co. I've been finding a pattern when a company is INC'd in Nevada, has almost daily pr's and shows any number of reverse splits in it's history. Reverse splits usually includes a name change....it's a way to make your stock worthless much cheaper than merging shell companies. S5
Posted by Ric on :
Ed, looks like MLON is getting ready to scam again too. Already seen a new thread. Mario stepped down as president but it also stated he is still part of the company. Looks like a way to get by the SEC because Mario had to approve all PR's through them after being caught for big lies. Sounds too much like a backdoor workaround so they can start selling shares again for profit.
Posted by stockster5 on :
you have to be careful, 'buyouts' is starting to be the new false PR catch phrase. I'm watching another couple of stocks and they are on the edge of indictment for false pr filing. Using the buyout line, but no one can prove anything, but the stocks pps are shooting up. This one is an almost new pump dump line.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, I am up on this one and its not. Now the WPT doesn't won't bought out either. This is not a penny stock. It's a NASDAQ and the World Poker Tour is very hot. A lot of people are very interested in it. ESPN and the Travel Channel has been making a killing on ratings for the series. The person that is offering the buyout is one of the legends of poker and has written more books and made more money then any other pro poker player. And, I would bet he can get any backing he wants. One company owns 60% of the shares so there was no way to do a hostile takeover. A buyout offer was the only way to do it.
Posted by Ric on :
Better watch it there Stockster, I will have to give you 5 stars, lol. Isn't it real cold on the southwest quadrant?
If you don't question the motive of a PR then you aren't doing DD.
Posted by Ric on :
Stockster, If I can give you 2 5's and your still at 2 stars, someone or some group was really peeved at you, lol.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I may bash the crap out of the pennies, but I'll never put money in them again. Been stung to often, with little or no chance of gain. Maybe if the SEC gets strait, but DD doent mean anything in pennies. The companies lie too much. Close....hahaha.....SOON....OMG quit it you're killin me...hahahaha...fifth amendment? Oh thats too much, my ribs hurt...hahahaha....and all this time I thought urban meant living in the city.....oh ahahahahaha
Posted by stockster5 on :
Well, wpt I can maybe buy 2 shares....... won't make much with that.
Maybe I can delete my stars, i dunno
Posted by Upside on :
Buy CMKX stockster. I only have 1.17 in cash in my account, everything else is tied up but that would still get me about 23,000 shares. Think about it, invest a buck, get back thousands!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Thousands of what?
Posted by Ric on :
sheets of toilet paper
Posted by bill1352 on :
T-10 or less & no word from cmkx. but then since the only way to make cmkx shareholders millionaires is to be revoked the cult is overjoyed. their wait is getting close to its payoff..............ya know the fact that i just put those words together in that order in a sentence is mind-boggling. its even more mind numbing to know that i could get hundreds of ppl to chear that statement, if i took the cult part out.....i own shares of a stock, its getting revoked so i may never be able to sell those shares. but its all good because the guy that didn't make sure things were done correctly from day 1 loves his shareholders & wants only good things for them.........seriously there has to be more then kool-aide involved in that thinking.
Posted by bill1352 on :
is it the full moon already??? i thought it was the 21st.
By: jay_adobe 11 Jul 2005, 01:01 PM EDT Msg. 1032224 of 1032669 (This msg. is a reply to 1032169 by TonyToX.) Jump to msg. # Tony, There's no reason to revoke. This is a well-written script of smoke and mirrors. The SEC wants us to go away, but they haven't covered all their bases. We never needed to file. We were an exploration company with less than 300 shareholders. Since it has already been publicly uncovered, I'll reiterate it. The 360 certs issued as stated in the transcript from the hearing were "S" restricted certs, and therefore were not part of the total shareholder count. Mr. Casavant and his team know exactly what they are doing. Even the filing to go non-reporting was all part of the plan. It is unfolding precisely as written. Soon enough all will be revealed. I stand by this statement: we cannot legally be revoked. It is not in the best interest of the SEC, the nation, the financial markets, or the company. Of course IMO Additionally, refer to the hearing transcript and find the name of the lady in reference to "S" restricted shares discussed by Ms. Bagley. Research who that lady is. Find out which First Nation Band she resides in. Why did they only discuss "S" restricted shares in the hearing? Why did the cross examination not include questioning about what types of restrictions are placed on shares? Connect the dots. First Nation...360...72...5..."S"...field work...exploration company. Instead of sitting on this board, do some reading. Quit listening to the naysayers and dooms day boys. We are in a stock of a lifetime in a position that has never occurred before. Find the positive. It's out there in every situation. Just depends on your outlook on life. Of course, IMO
Posted by Upside on :
quote:seriously there has to be more then kool-aide involved in that thinking.
I don't think they're drinking it anymore, they're snorting it dry now.
Posted by bill1352 on :
why do us basher keep posting on cmkx??? here's why...notice this is the guyts first post. $875.00 flushed.
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Posted by bill1352 on :
all i can say is...ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Appreciation Thread for Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu « Thread Started on Today at 12:41am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Express your Appreciation to Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu for their unyielding dedication to the goal of bringing about justice for the many wrongs that have been committed against both CMKM and its investors.
Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu can read the outpouring of appreciation in one place.
Remember, it is because of what is in the ground... Mr. Casavant had the vision and courage to start building this soon to be 800lbs Mining Gorilla. Mr. Maheu is the best Closer around (He has NEVER lost a case before ANY regulatory agency... county, city, state, or federal).
Thank you Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu. And kudos to the Team that you have assembled.
Cheers,
Task Force Viking
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: jay_adobe 11 Jul 2005, 01:12 PM EDT Msg. 1032261 of 1032676 Jump to msg. # Additionally, refer to the hearing transcript and find the name of the lady in reference to "S" restricted shares discussed by Ms. Bagley. Research who that lady is. Find out which First Nation Band she resides in. Why did they only discuss "S" restricted shares in the hearing? Why did the cross examination not include questioning about what types of restrictions are placed on shares? Connect the dots. First Nation...360...72...5..."S"...field work...exploration company. Instead of sitting on this board, do some reading. Quit listening to the naysayers and dooms day boys. We are in a stock of a lifetime in a position that has never occurred before. Find the positive. It's out there in every situation. Just depends on your outlook on life. Of course, IMO
Posted by legaleagle on :
7. Securities offered and sold outside the United States in accordance with Regulation S need not be registered under the Act. See Release No. 33-6863. Regulation S may be relied upon for such offers and sales even if coincident offers and sales are made in accordance with Regulation D inside the United States. Thus, for example, persons who are offered and sold securities in accordance with Regulation S would not be counted in the calculation of the number of purchasers under Regulation D. Similarly, proceeds from such sales would not be included in the aggregate offering price. The provisions of this note, however, do not apply if the issuer elects to rely solely on Regulation D for offers or sales to persons made outside the United States. http://sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/forms/regd.htm Posted by will on :
bill, UC and IBM are probably sitting there looking at the praises from these goofs thinking, "how dumb are these b*stards. What do we have to do to them before we're bad guys, kill their families?
LOL
Posted by Ric on :
You can argue the S restriction all you want. It still don't change the fact that there was 698 shareholders of record at the time. And arguing that your to stupid to look up the shareholders of record is stupid in itself. Also by filing the NT 10-Q and 8-K and form 14C in 2003, you obligated your filings for the entire year.
People like phxgold and Jay only look at parts of the regs that benefit there needs. They seem to ignore the rest. Also the exploratory exemption is only for part one of the 10-K ( you still have to file a 10-Q just not part 1, duh) and doesn't apply to 10-Q or any other filing like S-8's that would have shown dilution. Also the exploratory exemption means you have very little valuation which none of you will believe is true. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by stockster5 on :
one glaring delusion from the cmkx group is that this cmkx issue is important to the world. It is so far unimportant to the outside world it's embarrassing. It does prove that the koolaiders are in their own little world.......
Posted by stockster5 on :
why don't they go to the sec site and see the loooong list that sec deals with every day.
Posted by will on :
"People like phxgold and Jay only look at parts of the regs that benefit there needs. They seem to ignore the rest. Also the exploratory exemption is only for part one of the 10-K ( you still have to file a 10-Q just not part 1, duh) and doesn't apply to 10-Q or any other filing like S-8's that would have shown dilution. Also the exploratory exemption means you have very little valuation which none of you will believe is true. You can't have it both ways."
Ric, would you say they are guilty of what legal accused you of here?
"Ric, there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions." A quote from legal, (noah), accusing you of taking things out of context, that's what the faithful have been doing for over a year.
Kind of sweet when an idiot diagnoses and identifies his own idiocy.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Oh My these cult members have really lost touch with reality.
Appreciation Thread for Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu « Thread Started on Today at 12:41am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Express your Appreciation to Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu for their unyielding dedication to the goal of bringing about justice for the many wrongs that have been committed against both CMKM and its investors.
Those 2 clowns have taken them for all they can, have bent them over the barrel and taken all, now they want to thank them for it.
We should be signing a petition to put these 2 clowns in jail for a very long time to show our appreciation.
Apreciation for crooks, what's next Are people really that stupid to be giving thanks to Urban et al ?
Posted by will on :
LOL !!!
These people are amazing, Doc. Raped, pillaged, bludgeoned, beat, violated, cheated, plundered, and out and out stolen from, and they glorify, praise, and gratefully thank the perpetrator. Like I said early, UC and IBM are probably spitting their drinks through their noses, wondering, "wtf does it take to piss these people off."
AMAZING !!! LOL !!!
Posted by stockster5 on :
I found it. I finally found a picture of UC, but just found out this board won't let you upload anything, or an image. rats S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
I would gamble that 95 percent of the koolaid crowd voted for bush too............... just saw a bumper sticker....."when Clinton lied, nobody died....
Posted by Ric on :
UC problably said this was so easy how can I start a new one after this. I bet he get more entertainment out of pb32 then we do, lol.
quote:Originally posted by will: LOL !!!
These people are amazing, Doc. Raped, pillaged, bludgeoned, beat, violated, cheated, plundered, and out and out stolen from, and they glorify, praise, and gratefully thank the perpetrator. Like I said early, UC and IBM are probably spitting their drinks through their noses, wondering, "wtf does it take to piss these people off."
AMAZING !!! LOL !!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: I found it. I finally found a picture of UC, but just found out this board won't let you upload anything, or an image. rats S5
Stockster, I posted one here right after you mentioned it. Halfway down page 3.
Posted by stockster5 on :
That's exactly what happens time after time. These people figure out how to play the game, and move on to the next. Might be mining, maybe biotech doesn't matter, it's all in the PR.
S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
legal, was that a link to a webpage, nothing showing on my browser, and I can't invoke it as well.
Posted by Ric on :
You can upload picture if its a approved website. Here is a bunch of cult members.
Casavant is the one with his hat around backwards.
Posted by will on :
...and he's holding up a piece of two colored scented dog crap that he baked in the sun for a month, and just told that idiot with him it is Diamondiferous Kimberlite.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Looks like the British guy from "Who Killed Roger Rabbit".
Posted by Ric on :
Thats exactly what I thought to Ed, lol.
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: phxgold 11 Jul 2005, 09:14 PM EDT Msg. 236336 of 236341 Jump to msg. # Ok Quick question If someone recieves restricted shares of a company would they be considered a shareholder of record before that restriction was lifted and the shares were registered?
Im thinking no. They would be on the register but not registered owners until the restriction is lifted although they would be on the books. I ask because 698-360 from jan 03 = 338 then casavant family had 144 shares that is 22 people so 338-22=316 then maj shareholders held 85.7% but not more than 4.9% a piece so that 17 shareholders so 316-17=298 then there is uc as 5% beneficial owner that makes 297 then you have 2 consultants who recieved s shares in 2002 that is 296 shareholders of record but 698 people in the record. Any thoughts? ~Phx
Posted by Ric on :
Any thoughts? ~Phx
Yes, you are a moron.
Come on, does it matter subtracting could be's now. All that matters is there was for sure 698 as of the form 15 filing. Second reason none of this matters is it was not used in the hearing. Even if appealed you can only use presented evidence at the hearing. He can try and make chit into gold, it still makes no difference now.
Posted by will on :
Again, I'll use legals own words to condemn his and his fellow faithful's logic:
"there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions."
I will take every opportunity to remind that you said this, legal, (noah), until you get sick of it. I almost said, or go away, but you'll never do that, and besides who would we have to laugh at. Keep your selective, out of context, faithful, moronic, logic coming, pal.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Ric:
quote:Any thoughts? ~Phx
Yes, you are a moron.
Dang, that was pretty funny. Someone here who's a member there should repost it for them. That'll get them riled up.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ric, come on now...including that jackazz in the moron group is an insult to proud morons everywhere. the SEC, according to this braindead fool has no idea what the rules are, the CMKX lawyers have no idea what the rules are, CMKX t/a has no idea what the rules are. only this guy that couldn't pass the floor mopping test at mc donalds knows the rules, to the point he has sent his opinion & a copy of the rule he believes kills the case to frizzy because he doesn't know the rules either. the cmkx savior. the cult needs to worship him right along side UC.
Posted by bill1352 on :
they have upside...lol most at pb32 think he is a fool & 75% of the 4 pages i skimmed thru on the Thank UC thread are not thanking UC. the cult is shrinking. less the 1500 in phase II of the OG, down from over 5500, 4300 that paid.
Posted by Otttoman on :
I signed up for Phase I of OG (I know, money well spent. Drank too much koolaide I guess, LOL), but don't plan on joining Phase II. I don't see how any positive outcome will benefit only the OG and not all of the share holders so what's the point. Looks like CMKX being revoked is inevitable, and then it's anyone's guess what will happen. I can't buy into believing that it's a good thing to be revoked as many others think. But then again I am a pinhead, loser and nitwit (at least I haven't been called a moron yet, so I have that to look forward to, LOL). Good Nite!
Posted by legaleagle on :
gusjarvis God of Diamonds
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Joined: Nov 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,276 Location: British Columbia Re: Riddle me this ask Phnx Gold! « Reply #10 on Yesterday at 10:45pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jillikens, you have to ask yourself why are we here? We are the ones that got us here by filing form 15. We have brilliant high prices experienced lawyers that didn't make a mistake of this magnitude if they were prepared for the consequences. And for those that say it was out of a sense of duty, not a chance. If you look at the evidence and the way it was given in the hearing you have to ask what the hell? The judge asking what naked shorting was, the way the JEFF letter was introduced and by who, the way we left out our share structure and valuation which could have absolutely killed them. We let them off the naked share issue by not giving our share structure, and you don't do that unless something has been agreed upon in my opinion. So we got ourselves to the hearing and then held back our real damaging evidence, makes you go hmm. I think we have had them for a long time and made them work with us, this isn't happening out of the kindness of their hearts. If I am wrong and they are not dealing I can't see why we at least we didn't give our share structure proving the short beyond a reasonable doubt, it just doesn't make sense.
Posted by Ric on :
I think Legal loves bringing us comic relief. That is so funny.
"We have brilliant high prices experienced lawyers that didn't make a mistake of this magnitude if they were prepared for the consequences. "
The SEC told them of the error and they had to correct it. I just don't know what to say to that post. It is so out there.
Posted by bill1352 on :
are those the same high priced lawyers that don't know that cmkx doesn't need to file because the shares were S- Restricted? i'm also sure the judge would have throw everything out of court had share structure & valuation been introduced. we all know that companies that are ns'ed & have wildly hi value do not need to file.
Posted by will on :
legal, (noah), and gusjarvis, there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions.
Posted by will on :
Otttoman, I'll defend you if anyone calls you a moron. Sounds as if you are sobering up. At least you are beginning to recognize there is a reality. I called you a pinhead, and I retract that. I cannot fully apologize though because at the time you were talking nonsense. You're almost there, welcome back to semi-reality, keep bringing your body and your mind will follow. If you slip back into the faithful's state of mind, just ask yourself one question, WTF, am I some kind of pinhead or moron to believe this heaping mass of steaming dog crap ?
quote:Originally posted by Otttoman: I signed up for Phase I of OG (I know, money well spent. Drank too much koolaide I guess, LOL), but don't plan on joining Phase II. I don't see how any positive outcome will benefit only the OG and not all of the share holders so what's the point. Looks like CMKX being revoked is inevitable, and then it's anyone's guess what will happen. I can't buy into believing that it's a good thing to be revoked as many others think. But then again I am a pinhead, loser and nitwit (at least I haven't been called a moron yet, so I have that to look forward to, LOL). Good Nite!
Posted by ed19363 on :
All the cult has EVER done is assume. Notice 99% of their posts include the famous "IMO". Nobody has any facts, just IMO.
Posted by justplayin on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: All the cult has EVER done is assume. Notice 99% of their posts include the famous "IMO". Nobody has any facts, just IMO.
Ed, all pinks are purely speculation. In fact, it is illegal to make statements unless a company pr stated something without addint IMO or the like.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"If someone recieves restricted shares of a company would they be considered a shareholder of record before that restriction was lifted and the shares were registered?
Im thinking no. They would be on the register but not registered owners until the restriction is lifted although they would be on the books." --------------------
This guy is really off base! If the shares are issued, and restricted shares definitely ARE issued shares, they become part of the issued and outstanding automatically. Therefore, the owners of those restricted shares must be counted as holders of record.
You guys are right, phxgold doesn't know zip!
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: phxgold 12 Jul 2005, 09:30 AM EDT Msg. 236440 of 236527 Jump to msg. # courtesy of vngntn on paltalk, disney just did this. think about this the first step is already done could this be a way to make us all happy?
Reverse Morris Trust Revival by Michael Pohlen, 612.303.6356
Morris Trust transactions1 typically used to work as follows: First, assume that the target company ("Parent") is engaged in two different businesses - one is a "wanted" business and the other is "unwanted" from an acquirer's ("Acquirer") perspective. Next, Parent would "spin" the unwanted business into a Newco and distribute Newco's stock to Parent's shareholders. Subsequently, Acquirer would acquire Parent (containing only the wanted business). As a result, Parent's transfer of the unwanted business into Newco and Parent's distribution of Newco's stock to its shareholders was tax-free because the transaction qualified as a 'D' reorganization.
Reverse Morris Trust Illustration: In a "reverse" Morris Trust transaction, Parent "spins" the wanted business (instead of the unwanted business as was the case with the Morris Trust transaction discussed above) into Newco. As part of a prearranged plan, Parent distributes Newco's stock to its shareholders and Acquirer subsequently acquires the Newco stock in exchange for stock.
Historically, the transaction would not qualify as a 'D' reorganization under IRS rules if Parent's/Newco's shareholders did not maintain at least 80% of the total combined stock (voting and non-voting). As a result, Parent would be taxed on the appreciation in excess of its basis in the wanted business and Parent's/Newco's shareholders were taxed at dividend rates on the value of the wanted business.
A recent revenue ruling, however, has led to the substantial relaxation in the definition of a 'D' reorganization, making the reverse Morris Trust transaction tax-free if Parent's/Newco's shareholders receive in excess of 50% (vote and value), but less than 80%, of the stock of Acquirer. Accordingly, the asset "spin" from Parent to Newco is tax-free and the Newco stock is received by Parent's shareholders on a tax-free basis.
The new revenue ruling has led to a revival in reverse Morris Trust transactions and is expected to spur numerous additional reverse Morris Trust transactions in the future. Examples of the creative use of these structures include Heinz/Del Monte and Proctor & Gamble/JM Smucker. http://www.piperjaffray.com/archives/ma_monitor111102.htm Posted by ed19363 on :
Doesnt this guy ever run out of gas??
Posted by Upside on :
An administrative law judge has issued an Initial Decision in the matter of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. The Initial Decision finds that Respondent CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKM Diamonds), failed to file required annual reports since May 9, 2002, and required quarterly reports since Nov. 18, 2002, while its securities were registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. As such, the Initial Decision concludes that CMKM Diamonds violated Section 13(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13 thereunder. The Initial Decision revokes the registration of each class of securities of CMKM Diamonds. (Initial Decision No. 291; File No. 3-11858)
Don't know if it's real but it appears to be.
Posted by tarq3 on :
An administrative law judge has issued an Initial Decision in the matter of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. The Initial Decision finds that Respondent CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKM Diamonds), failed to file required annual reports since May 9, 2002, and required quarterly reports since Nov. 18, 2002, while its securities were registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. As such, the Initial Decision concludes that CMKM Diamonds violated Section 13(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13 thereunder. The Initial Decision revokes the registration of each class of securities of CMKM Diamonds. (Initial Decision No. 291; File No. 3-11858)
Don't know if it's real but it appears to be.
My thing is. If the stock is truely revoked then why is it still trading as of right now, something fishy here. Rovoked stocks don't trade so you tell me what is wrong with this picture 15:48:12 5000000 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:48:06 999999 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:48:03 100 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:47:51 9000000 0.00 - OTCEQ_NBB (F) 15:47:51 9000000 0.00 - OTCEQ_NBB (F) 15:47:51 2000000 0.00 - OTCEQ_NBB (F) 15:47:42 3435000 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:47:12 1296000 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:46:12 2000000 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:45:06 1000000 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:45:06 9000000 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB 15:45:00 1000000 0.0001 + OTCEQ_NBB
Posted by Upside on :
Sure they do, they trade until the decision is made final which I believe is 21 days from now if no appeal is filed.
Posted by tarq3 on :
ahhhh ha. An initial Decision. that is why it is still trading. But wait why do thye have an initial anything. Any or other time revocation comes up it is you get revoked or halted then your done. No trade tiLL the beLL or anything. Something stiLL not right
Posted by ed19363 on :
1 billion traded today...ridiculous....
Posted by Upside on :
That's how these proceedings work. The Judge issues what's called an initial decision. It's referred to as an initial decision because either side has the right to appeal the decision. If there is no appeal, the Commission makes the ruling final 21 days from the date it was issued.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Larry the Cable Guy sez "We gotter done!!!" LOL Can we move on to something else now?
Cant wait to see the cult's spin on THIS one.....
Posted by will on :
Don't bother explaining it UpMan. They won't believe anything you say, and they will always find a way around reality. That news means nothing to these idiots, wait until you see the response. We know the first one, someone hacked into the SEC site and it's a fraud. Then there will be 10 more bullchit reasons why the decicsion means nothing. Then finally it will be, ok, great, we're revoked, we have the SEC right where we want them. LOL
Posted by justplayin on :
WOW!! What a surprise
NEVER woulda thunk it!
Posted by will on :
WOW! that was quick. I posted that prediction after your post ed, I was writing when he said it. LOL
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Larry the Cable Guy sez "We gotter done!!!" LOL Can we move on to something else now?
Cant wait to see the cult's spin on THIS one.....
Posted by ed19363 on :
Just in case there is anyone who doesnt believe it's real, Frizz has posted that he received the decision by fax several hours ago.
It's real, we have 21 days to file objections, then it becomes final.
In other words, if you dont sell it now, you will NEVER sell it.
Decisions decisions, always decisions....
Posted by ed19363 on :
I have only one question:
LEGAL, CAN YOU HEAR IT NOW????????
Posted by will on :
LOL ed, you can't taunt him with this. He is just going to tell you that this is exactly what they wanted and what the plan called for. They will be celebrating this. If anything he will tell you: shhhhh, can you hear it. LOL These guys are out of their minds and completely out of control. They just had their nuts removed with a weed whacker and they will actually try to convince you it felt good, and you should try it. I truly enjoy you ed, but even revocation won't vindicate the reality of this news with these fools.
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: I have only one question:
I think it's about time we demand to know exactly what this "PLAM" is. If I dont see a PR of some sort before the end of the week, I'm gonna start saving my pennies for the class-action suit that is sure to follow in about 22 days.
Posted by OneGreater on :
=DJ SEC Gets OK To Deregister CMKM Diamonds Shares
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--An administrative judge has ruled that the Securities and Exchange Commission can deregister the shares of CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) because the company failed to file annual and quarterly financial reports with the SEC since 2002.
The SEC said in an order on March 16 that it was taking action against CMKM Diamonds to protect investors. Earlier, the SEC had temporarily suspended trading in the stock of CMKM Diamonds because of questions about the "adequacy of publicly available information concerning, among other things, CMKM Diamonds' assets and liabilities, mining and other business activities, share structure and stock issuances, and corporate management."
CMKM Diamonds has 21 days to appeal the administrative judge's initial decision to allow the SEC to deregister its stock.
This tiny diamond mining company has been trading on the unregulated Pink Sheets market and has not made any regulatory disclosure with the SEC since 2002. Billions of shares of CMKM Diamonds routinely change hands daily and its elusive number of outstanding shares had been the topic of much speculation until earlier this year when the company said it had some 703.5 billion shares issued and outstanding.
CMKM Diamonds shares closed unchanged Tuesday at $0.0001 on a volume of more than 1.74 billion shares.
CMKM Diamonds has said that it's in the process of reinstating its reporting status. The company has been the subject of several Dow Jones Newswires "In The Money" columns which highlighted its huge daily trading volume and the lack of information surrounding the company and its mineral claims.
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Posted by OneGreater on :
This sick puppy is on its way out..
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
I really enjoy your eloquence! LLH (laughed like hell) "These guys are out of their minds and completely out of control. They just had their nuts removed with a weed whacker and they will actually try to convince you it felt good, and you should try it."
I am really looking forward to what the faithful-CT, cult, OG and other avid promoters will be saying now. Just remember, will, a few of those bumbleheads have no "nuts".
Posted by legaleagle on :
Does anyone here really believe that this is the end of this story? If you do, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Legal, that the same bridge you bought when you bought CMKX stock???
Posted by ed19363 on :
I was not aware they were giving bridges as dividends.....
Posted by tarq3 on :
But who knows whats what, we shall
Posted by Ric on :
I reaaly don't think they will go alone with it though. Because if you read the Judges ruling it looked as though she thought they lied. She makes detailed reference to the false address, and when talking about the form 15 she said it was a false filing. She went on and on about the auditors and accounts not getting records and UC taking the 5th. Also the massive increases in A/S and o/s were clearly stated. I believe ths will be it. The arguement will be that they can reapply for registration if they ever do get there act together. But 21 more days of theories and rumors. This POS will never end.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Does anyone here really believe that this is the end of this story? If you do, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Of course it's over, they've been revoked and it isn't going to be turned over nor will the SEC accept a settlement. It's done.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
For the first time, I went to the CT cult forum and read a few posts. Found them most amusing and one sad post:
WWJDthrume CT post on 6/29/05 My thoughts are incredibly upbeat considering where we are at. I even purchased a tad more yesterday via Etrade for .00009.
NOTE fr Wallace: Bright, really bright! If anyone is buying, it is people on this forum.
I believe that Urban wants to take the shareholders with him to prosperity in whatever vehicle the claims that CMKX/CMKI/bought from him originally. I think that some of the delay has had to do with circumstances beyond Urbans control once he discovered a rotten apple in the whole bunch. He made some bad decisions since the rotten apples were there and he missed pciking them out-BUT it may have been his only financing option. A real problem for microcaps-those who throw you the financial lifeline are sharks waiting for you to be safely on shore before they start their meal.
IF we are revoked: I expect to see some stress relief shortly afterwards via cash dividend from CIM or a PR outlining the plan that will move us to another company or stock exchange.
IF we are not revoked I expect to see a timeline for filing.
The claims we have are enormous and enormously valuable. The stock is obviously naked shorted and much work has been done to trap the shorts and protect the longs. We haven't seen all the work but have seen evidence of it like our dividends, news of RG and IBM.
I will add to these thoughts as we see how this develops over the next few days. I am expecting something to happen before July 15 now; possibly before the week is out.
NOTE fr Wallace: Close (July 12th) but no cigar.
IMOO-Debi
noahltls' follow-up post to the above on 7/2/05:
Well, always late. But at the present time, my feelings are that we will be revoked, and that the company wanted it that way. I think CMKX has already prepared a roll up that will resolve the problem when the time is right. I have explained my reasoning on the revocation in a separate post here.
NOTE fr Wallace: Reasoning is one thing. Postulating, spinning and distorting (and I didn't even bother to go there) are others for which you are well known.
I remain confident that we are still moving in directions that Roger Glenn launched us into, for the best results for the company. Everythng that we are seeing is not necessarily all that is going on.
NOTE fr Wallace: Glenn launched you folks all right! Further into oblivion!!!
"If you're in, you win. If you doubt, get out." UC
"There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens" Ecc 3,1
NOTE fr Wallace: Yes, however the appointed time for revocation is much too late and people got hurt. I like the bit about every "affair". Man! Those guys must have had some life on earth "under the heavens"! Suggests one can do anything and get away with it.
WWJDthrume Super Administrator
This is the initial decision. Not unexpected by me. Now we should hear what the plan is going to be.
Wonder if it is still trading.
IMO-Debi
The news came out the last 1/2 hour. It is possible that some sold on this news.
I am glad we got this news. I hope CMKX calls for a halt. This crazy trading of stocks that the MM's don't own is infuriating. I prefer this ruling to another year or two of .0001 or less.
If we did our homework properly we should see something good in the very, VERY, Near future.
IMOO-Debi
Etrade was saying last month that our dividends and USCA were in reorg for July 15. Maybe Friday we will have some good news. We'll see.
IMO-Debi
noahlt's post on CT (aka legaleagle on Allstocks and another Super Administrator): An initial decision is not final. The company attorney has 21 days to file a Motion to Reconsider. This will call to the judges attention any case law or prior decisions that may disqualify the judges ruling. No new evidence would be allowed, only the above. The judge will then be able to reconsider her decisions based on the law and then issue a final ruling.
That final ruling would then be appealable to a higher appeals court.
VNGNTN1's post (aka VAN- formerly on Allstocks and another "Super Administrator): REVOKED
http://www.sec.gov/news/digest/dig071205.txt Watch your accounts carefully . Make sure Brokers don't play games-Document everything VAN PS: DO NOT PANIC; DO NOT HAVE FEAR: Prayer would be good. The short is locked, Company can now move forward. Remember why you first got in.
And, finally a post by irish26 which faces the reality of the situation: Figures.......you can never beat cheaters! There goes my investment. I guess the rumor of a buy off this week was just that......a rumor. NOTE fr Wallace: LOL IMO (except for the last post --which is very sad)
Posted by Ric on :
In the Judges decision on sanctions;
"CMKX Diamond's violations of the periodic reporting provisions were recurrent, egregious, and evidence of high degree of scienter."
"CMKX Diamond's violations involved important provisions of the Exchange Act. Throughout the period during which it filed no reports, CMKX Diamonds has operated in secret, revealing scant information to the investing public regarding its purported multi-million dollar transactions and stock issuances while the trading volume of its stock is consistently more then one billion shares per day. Finally, CMKX Diamond's continues to report a false business address in filings to the commission."
"CMKX Diamond's does not appreciate the wrongfulness of its conduct and the requirement it provide the investing public with accurate information."
"Mahue's appointment as director does little to assure me that the company will be able to effect prompt compliance, as he is without sufficient control of the company or the situation."
"Casavant seems to be the only one running the company and he refused to testify."
21 more days till revoked.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i can't wait to see the appeal...lol judge your wrong we really are very sorry, scouts honor. we are making up the books right now. why UC's wife is even filling in the general ledger. just give us time, we will get it done UC promised we would. why just yesterday he started looking for some of the missing paperwork...... what a joke this is...the judge left no question as to laws violated & as to her opinion on why they were violated & backed her opinion up with everything bashers have been pointing out since the transcripts were posted. stocklien will appeal because he gets paid to do so & for no other reason.
Posted by bill1352 on :
love the deal cmkx wants now...give us 120 more days, we will halt trading & then we will file yr end stuff only. how about filing the contracts for the deals, prove where the cash went, the shares went. gave 29 companies 3 billion shares...wanna bet they are all the UC companies, desomoreau companies, devorak companies still registered someplace out there? wanna bet not 1 of those companies holds a single share today? i'd love to see the list of those companies but by filing yr end only no list would be forthcoming. that deal will not fly & cmkx will be revoked. UC will blame everyone except himself.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ZEN says good bye...lol
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, here's the realist's interpretation. Unless CMKX wants to finally show us some miracle hand, the advantage clearly shifts to the shorts/sec/hedge funds. They got what they wanted. They wouldn't have asked for this if they didn't feel it was in their very best interests imo. So, imo this becomes a legal waiting game on appeal, and frankly, appeals just don't get won often. Especially on our shaky legal ground. All the wonderfully creative legal arguments you've heard thrown about here on the boards are IRRELEVANT if they weren't raised during the initial proceedings. And most weren't. Considering the leeway this judge had in her ruling and the facts before her, I would say our appeal chances are quite slim. That basically then leaves us as a private company and Stoecklein and Urban can figure what the next step is. Frankly, I'm not holding my breath. There certainly ARE options such as reverse merging into CIM or heading to the TSX, but I ain't holding my breath for those either. Since I have owned cmkx, the company has never given me a single piece of normal, celebratory news (okay, maybe Maheu's involvement but that hasn't yet paid off). So, I'm going with the odds that say they will continue to disappoint me. That having been said, absolutely NOTHING surprises me any more with cmkx. So I haven't given up hope. I have, however, given up monitoring boards or any further speculation. At this stage, if you stop listening to Obi Wan Adobe's koolaid comments (by the way, he did state empatically that we will not be revoked and is now backpedaling by saying it's not final LOL), anyway, if you ignore that fool, this appears to be caught in a long legal battle, and then I guess we'll just wait to see how Urban, Maheu and Stoecklein continue. There's a lot that COULD happen. I'm not holding my breath. Someday, maybe, who knows. In the mean time, my life will go on with the assumption that my investment will be a tax write-off at some point in the future. If that changes, I'll consider it a huge bonus.
Good luck to everyone. I simply have no reason to spend any more time on cmkx now that we're revoked, unless a development of major implications happens. I wish everyone well and do appreciate this board. Should good things ultimately turn up, I will be back.
Posted by Ric on :
By: eddiethemagnificent 12 Jul 2005, 06:31 PM EDT Msg. 1035245 of 1035305 (This msg. is a reply to 1035157 by stillatim.) Jump to msg. # OH MY...
a well known person on Willy's board was talking when his wife grabbed the mic and screamed at him for losing $45,000.00 boy was it a very disturbing scene... of course they were bounced.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Have any of those avid cult members decided to say they were wrong yet? Even Zen couched his words instead of coming right out and saying that.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Good gravy, Batman....One of them actually found a brain !!!!!!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
well it has been an eventfull day. cmkx revoked & i get 8 FBI officers, 2 ATF guys, the detroit bomb squad, the ATF bomb squad, 6 special detectives from the detroit police terrorist squad & 2 bomb dogs going thru my car. i get grilled by 4 of these differant groups about having guns or ammo in my car & drug pariphanalia in my car. the drug stuff was a scrubbing pad & a bunch of lighters, the pad was in a work bag with hard hat, goggles & resperator its used on aluminum diffusers, only way to get clean. the lighters i get every time i buy a carton of smokes, 1 a week. all because the first dog sat at my passanger back seat door. looking at the floor there. the fact that i have been putting dusty, dirty boots there, that have had dust from welding exhaust, gun range exhaust, factory HVAC systems for the 5 yrs i've owned this car could not possibly be the reason 1 of the dogs smelled something funny. it was at the IRS building in downtown detroit, about 1 mile from the All star game tonight. the FBI dog didn't smell anything but the dog the IRS keeps at the building did. we had a military helicopter overhead & 2 news copters. i could not get them to take the floor mat out & see if the 1 dog sat on the mat away from the car, instead the ripped my trunk apart, took the consol out & left it in pieces & then said we could not go in to do the little job we were called in to do. i was added on about 5 minutes before the crew left to go to the job. the guys could see i'm a dago not a camel jockey. all because of security for the all star game & the fact ppl hate the IRS...lol what a day.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Best one yet, there's an idiot on PB32 betting he can buy CMKX tomorrow at .00001
Sheesh
Posted by trgamma2 on :
I will be watching for you on the news tonight Bill!
Posted by Upside on :
Bill, when was the last time you had a truly good day?
Posted by bill1352 on :
its been a while upside...lol. i did sort of get some kind of agreement together with 2 companies yesterday to keep doing what i have been doing for 8 yrs but i'm still not sure they will honor that temporary agreement...does that count???
Posted by Ric on :
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members, July 12, 2005
We are posting on the CMKX owners’ group website http://www.cmkxownersgroup.com/ the initial decision of Judge Murray. I received my copy by fax at 1:37 p.m. (Central time). Judge Murray has entered an initial decision revoking the registration of all CMKX securities.
I have been working with CMKX attorney Don Stoecklein for several days now on a proposal to settle this matter. This morning Mr. Stoecklein sent a settlement proposal to the SEC attorneys and to Judge Murray’s office. It is my understanding this settlement offer was received by the SEC and Judge Murray before this decision was handed down. I had signed the settlement proposal and we were hopeful this matter could be resolved without the Judge’s ruling. The ruling pretty well speaks for itself.
The company had difficulty in reengaging a new auditor. The new auditor has been officially hired but the company believed it had to do a formal 8K before announcing the new auditor.
I have been in discussion with Mr. Stoecklein and I will give you a more definitive response to this decision later on today. The company plans to immediately appeal this decision. As you can tell from the judge’s decision, this is not a final order until the Commission reviews the decision.
Onward,
Bill
Posted by Ric on :
Someone please go get the straight Jacket fast.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- you will see that many good things happened right before the judge jumped 9 days ahead of schedule to render her decision.
1. An agreement was sent to the SEC and the judge to work out a deal so the revocation was not necessary. It was a good deal that would show that the SEC is protecting the shareholders. She got it about an hour before her decision.
2. CMKX hired an auditor just hours ago.
Bill and Don have been working on this for some time and got it finalized and off to the judge this morning and now she decides to rule before the SEC let things get away from them. HMMMMMMMMMM
I have a feeling they are in for one heck of a suprise when Urban and company make the next move!
Stay tuned....................
Posted by trgamma2 on :
the next move where? out of the country to undisclosed location? I hear Urban is currently attending to the AMERICAN SHAFT BUSINESS.
Posted by Doctoall on :
He had better get moving before that lady from the October party comes looking
Nothing worst than a mob of angry shareholders, I would think that he is already planning a get away to SA, after all he can't go back to Canada as they want him there.
I hope that legal likes SA Posted by Upside on :
Posted by bill1352:
quote:its been a while upside...lol. i did sort of get some kind of agreement together with 2 companies yesterday to keep doing what i have been doing for 8 yrs but i'm still not sure they will honor that temporary agreement...does that count???
No it doesn't. That's just a day where you get hit a little lighter than others. I'm talking about a day when you can just kick back and think "all is right".
Posted by Marty on :
"His, baloney has a first name, it's U-r-b-a-n.....his baloney has a second name, it's B-u-r-n-t....Urban Burnt, has a way, of takin' your money a-away...(to a distant bank)" LOL.....I can't believe this is still going....have fun Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
Bet they apologized and offered to repair any damage done to your vehicle as well as offered a huge cash settlement for your inconvenience, huh?
No??? You mean they were not really faithful CMKX cult members?
Besides, all you dagos, muslims and terrorists look alike. LOL j/k Remember, my wife is a WOP! She can be a terror.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Wallace, looks like a bunch a pinks are ready fer de Spitz/SEC treatment...
Should be enough entertainment for months!
I am just waiting fer one of me favorites to hit the preverbial fan.
Posted by will on :
Still going on? Shucks man, it's just starting. After all it isn't every day a Judge hands down an intitial order to revoke your stock. Don't you know revocation is a reason to celebrate. Hey noah, show me one of your post or one of your moronic pumper friend's post that is older than 9 months and predicted that revocation was the path of the "Master Plan". Does anyone remember any of these windbag gurus setting course for revocation as being part of the "Master Plan", before the SEC made it absolutley clear that is what they wanted? Show me, show me one person who had revocation charted as part of the Master Plan, just one month before the SEC filed charges and revocation was inevitable. Talk about seeing what you want to see and using damning news to support your contentions, that's all you foolish faithful do. I know, you don't have time to answer my drivel. Undoubtedly you have more important things to think about. Probably helping Frizzell and Stoecklein plan their next great strategy. LOL As far as anyone "picking up" a little more of this crap, well only one things come to mind, they are godamn fools.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Wallace, looks like a bunch a pinks are ready fer de Spitz/SEC treatment...
Should be enough entertainment for months!
I am just waiting fer one of me favorites to hit the preverbial fan.
Dusty,
Would really like to see Spitzer get involved with CMKX. Chew 'em up and spit 'em out so fast it makes their heads swim! Conclusions? FRAUD! MISAPPROPRIATION OF CORPORATE ASSETS! FAILURE TO PERFORM FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES! INCOMPETENCE! EMBEZZLEMENT! THEFT OF ASSETS!
MANDATORY PRISON SENTENCE (with a nasty prison guard)!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
Based upon her post on CT, the Queen of Pumpers is likely to pick up more CMKX or some other loser associated with UC. She sure has the hots for that stock.
Posted by will on :
Wallace, I think they call them masochist.
4. enjoyment of hardship: the tendency to invite and enjoy misery of any kind, especially in order to be pitied by others or admired for forbearance
The other three referenced sexual pleasure associated with abuse, so I left them out. That couldn't be that woman of high moral standing. My goodness, I hope she doesn't get gratification from humilition, abuse, and domination. Incase she does she sure got her money's worth out of this sadistic ride.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: will,
Based upon her post on CT, the Queen of Pumpers is likely to pick up more CMKX or some other loser associated with UC. She sure has the hots for that stock.
Posted by will on :
Of course this group of masochist doesn't feel abused or humiliated. A rare breed that can endure this level of pain and humiliation and ask for more. I have witnessed a lot of weird things in my life, but never anything like these people who refuse to admit an error in judgement.
"Yes UC, I'll have another please" !!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
How does that song go? "Sock it to me one more time"?
Here's something for legal:
Shhhhhh! Can you hear it? Sock-it-to-me-sock-it-to-me-sock-it-to-me-sock-it-to-me. Better get out of the way of the train, legal!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wallace#1: [QB] How does that song go? "Sock it to me one more time"?
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Howz about " Only the lonely "
Posted by legaleagle on :
John Edwards (CMKX Rat Pack) owned shares NS MM
Hmmm. John M. Edwards, one of the original CMKX "Rat Pack" owns a big piece of a MM that was shorting CMKX.
Edwards John M filed on 07/12/2005 Company Filings
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FORM 3 UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Washington, D.C. 20549
INITIAL STATEMENT OF BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP OF SECURITIES
Filed pursuant to Section 16(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, Section 17(a) of the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935 or Section 30(h) of the Investment Company Act of 1940 OMB APPROVAL OMB Number: 3235-0104 Expires: January 31, 2005 Estimated average burden hours per response 0.5
1. Name and Address of Reporting Person*Edwards John M
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Last) (First) (Middle) 7500 W. LAKE MEAD, #9627
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (City) (State) (Zip) 2. Date of Event Requiring Statement (Month/Day/Year) 04/28/2005 3. Issuer Name and Ticker or Trading Symbol Crown Financial Holdings, Inc. [CFGI] 4. Relationship of Reporting Person(s) to Issuer (Check all applicable) Director X 10% Owner Officer (give title below) Other (specify below)
5. If Amendment, Date of Original Filed (Month/Day/Year)
6. Individual or Joint/Group Filing (Check Applicable Line) X Form filed by One Reporting Person Form filed by More than One Reporting Person
Table I - Non-Derivative Securities Beneficially Owned 1. Title of Security (Instr. 4) 2. Amount of Securities Owned (Instr. 4) 3. Ownership Form: Direct (D) or Indirect (I) (Instr. 5) 4. Nature of Indirect Beneficial Ownership (Instr. 5) Table II - Derivative Securities Beneficially Owned (e.g., puts, calls, warrants, options, convertible securities) 1. Title of Derivative Security (Instr. 4) 2. Date Exercisable and Expiration Date (Month/Day/Year) 3. Title and Amount of Securities Underlying Derivative Security (Instr. 4) 4. Conversion or Excercise Price of Derivative Security 5. Ownership Form: Direct (D) or Indirect (I) (Instr. 5) 6. Nature of Indirect Beneficial Ownership (Instr. 5) Date Exercisable Expiration Date Title Amount or Number of Shares Series A Convertible Preferred Stock (1) (1) Common Stock 3,548,000 $ (1) I Note (2) Series A Convertible Preferred Stock (1) (1) Common Stock 3,210,000 $ (1) I Note (3) Explanation of Responses: 1. The Series A Convertible Preferred Stock is convertible into common stock of the issuer at the option of the holder. Each share of Series A Convertible Preferred Stock can be converted into 1,000 shares of CFGI common stock. The Series A Convertible Preferred Stock has no expiration date. 2. Shares held by Rissington Investments, a business trust dated November 16, 2004, of which Mr. Edwards is the sole beneficiary. 3. Shares held by Mining Feasibility Capital Corp., a Nevada corporation, of which Mr. Edwards is the sole stockholder. /s/ John M. Edwards 07/08/2005 ** Signature of Reporting Person Date Reminder: Report on a separate line for each class of securities beneficially owned directly or indirectly. * If the form is filed by more than one reporting person, see Instruction 5(b)(v). ** Intentional misstatements or omissions of facts constitute Federal Criminal Violations See 18 U.S.C. 1001 and 15 U.S.C. 78ff(a). Note: File three copies of this Form, one of which must be manually signed. If space is insufficient, see Instruction 6 for procedure. Persons who respond to the collection of information contained in this form are not required to respond unless the form displays a currently valid OMB Number.
Posted by will on :
So, what does that have to do with Judge's ruling?
Oh wait, let me tell you what it has to do with it.
NOTHING !!!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Frizzell Update on Revocation Ruling etc 7-12
Dear Group Members, July 12, 2005
By now most shareholders probably know Judge Murray has rendered an initial decision revoking the registration of CMKX securities. I felt like I had been kicked in the gut when I saw the decision coming off of my fax line today. Frankly, when I saw the Administrative Law Judge’s letterhead on the first page, I thought it was remarkable that the Court would comment so quickly on the filing of our settlement offer. When I realized what the document contained, I was disappointed and a bit surprised. Not in the decision and not in the reasoning of the decision, but in the timing of the decision.
Settlement Proposal
Don Stoecklein and I had been struggling with the wording of our settlement proposal for a couple of weeks. It was our belief that no settlement offer would ever be considered by the SEC attorneys nor the Commission unless a qualified auditor was formally engaged. The auditor did extensive due diligence before accepting this job. The negotiations by Don Stoecklein were carried out with the auditor’s attorney as well. Once an agreement was reached with the auditor, Don Stoecklein felt the SEC rules required an 8K filing of the auditor’s engagement but we had not received a signoff from the prior auditor. The company began securing the signoff letter but the settlement proposal was sent without having it in hand. I am giving you only a bit of the background leading up to our settlement proposal. I am not making excuses nor suggesting that many of these delays could not have been avoided.
Brad Beckstead was engaged as our new auditor yesterday. I am not at liberty to discuss the actual amount paid to Mr. Beckstead but it was a six figure amount. It was not as high as the $360,000 figure rumored on the boards this morning, but a very substantial figure was paid to Mr. Beckstead according to the company. It is my understanding that the amount paid was a retainer and additional fees may be incurred. I expect the company to file an 8K by the end of the week announcing the engagement of this auditor. We are still under SEC rules since this decision is not a final decision. I am told the rules allow the company 4 days to announce this engagement.
What becomes of the settlement offer we have proposed? We will continue to seek settlement of this proceeding. Our offer of settlement remains. The appeals process can be a long one. I have been assured the auditor can complete the audit within 120 days. The completed audits will not take as long as the appeals process in any event. Our case has many of the same facts found in the E-Smart decision mentioned by Judge Murray at the beginning of the administrative proceeding. Our facts in my opinion are more compelling than the factual scenario of E-Smart. (assuming we get the financials filed in the next few months). I will try to get the three part decision of E-Smart posted for those of you who might want to read a similar case decided by the Commission. I am hopeful that there will be some future dialogue about settlement once we can convince the SEC that work on these financials is proceeding.
Our Trading Status Now?
As part of our settlement offer, we suggested a trading halt in the interim period while we await the filing of our past due financials. This offer was designed to satisfy the SEC’s concerns about future investors. It appears now that trading will continue in spite of our offer. Rule 360 of the SEC Rules of Practice basically says the status of the parties (trading allowed) remains the same until an aggrieved party (CMKX) prosecutes its appeal.
Where Do We Go From Here?
Folks, we took a risk (admittedly seems a bit larger than we thought at the time) when we bought this stock. We have watched this stock plummet to the bottom and now we have an initial order of revocation to overcome. The facts still remain-if the company has the goods and if the company gets these financials filed, there remains some significant gain to be made. John has told me that a few of his friends have sent him farewell notes. People speak of losing all of their investment and writing things off. This is music to the ears of the market makers and brokerage houses that have mountains of electronic markers backed by your hard earned dollars.
Hell folks, the stock is virtually worthless (.00008) as it is. Hang in there and lets fight these crooks. Penny stock investors always walk away. They do not usually have large investments in these stocks. That’s what convinces the short sellers that easy money is to be made when there is a mountain of outstanding stock and the SEC is coming down on management. Lets be different. Watch these people with the big short positions snatch up these shares (real shares) as people give up. In Texas you hear the old saying “When you always do what you always done, you always get what you always got.” Lets be different.
I have watched many live professional boxing matches. I had the pleasure of managing a world champion for several years. I was always amazed at how these guys could stand out there in the ring and pulverize each other (gashes, swelling, cuts, bruises) for 10 or 12 rounds and sit back in the dressing room after the fight and have a good laugh. Well, SEC, you have won the first round. Leslie Hakala and Greg Glynn did a very good job of presenting evidence to the judge which fully justifies her decision. For whatever reason, our company was unable to get the ship righted in time to win round one. But we will come off the stool for the second round.
I know there are those that think I must really be drinking the kool aid around here. I will not pump this stock because I still have some questions that I hope to have answered very soon. The company has invited me to go to Ecuador with the auditor at the same time. I have been invited to Canada for a tour of the assets. I refused to go thinking we could head off revocation if I stayed here and worked with the company attorney on this settlement proposal. Now we have another course. I will be scheduling my trip as soon as practical.
Lets Keep Fighting The Good Fight
Please understand we are not parties to this proceeding. I have no right to appeal anything. Only the company has the right to appeal this decision. My plans are as follows. I am going to suggest to Mr. Stoecklein and Urban that we would like to have an independent auditor to have a bi weekly conference with Mr. Beckstead to monitor his progress in these audits. I will also inquire if I can be given a status report from Mr. Stoecklein on the filing of the Petition for Review on an every other day basis if necessary. I will be more than willing to provide appellate assistance or provide any help to the company so that the appeals process will go according the plan as I understand it from the company at this time. I will report to you the response of the company to my requests. I will likewise report to you in whatever detail I can, my findings in Ecuador and Saskatchewan. Lets play this thing out folks. And to you short sellers out there, this game is not over with by a long shot.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Before the SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Washington, D.C.
In the Matter of
CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. : : : :
INITIAL DECISION
July 12, 2005
APPEARANCES:
Leslie A. Hakala, Gregory C. Glynn, and John B. Bulgozdy for the Division of Enforcement, Securities and Exchange Commission.
Donald J. Stoecklein for CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
Bill Frizzell for John Martin, et al., (Owners Group).1
BEFORE:
Brenda P. Murray, Chief Administrative Law Judge. PROCEDURAL HISTORY
The Securities and Exchange Commission (Commission) issued its Order Instituting Proceedings (OIP) on March 16, 2005, pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (Exchange Act). The OIP alleges that the common stock of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKM Diamonds), is registered with the Commission pursuant to Section 12(g) of the Exchange Act, and that since registering its stock, CMKM Diamonds has not filed an annual report on Form 10-K or 10-KSB since May 9, 2002, or a quarterly report on Form 10-Q or 10-QSB since November 18, 2002. As a result, the OIP alleges that CMKM Diamonds has failed to comply with Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13 thereunder.
CMKM Diamonds filed its Answer on April 12, 2005, in which it admitted that the factual allegations in the OIP are true but denied that it failed to comply with Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13. (Answer 1-2.)
I held a one-day public hearing on May 10, 2005, in Los Angeles, California, during which six witnesses testified for the Division of Enforcement (Division), three witnesses testified for CMKM Diamonds, and more than sixty exhibits were admitted into evidence.2 At the hearing, I read into the record the names of some twenty-five CMKM Diamonds shareholders who sent letters concerning this proceeding. I ruled that those letters would be treated as exhibits offered but not admitted into evidence. (Tr. 25-26.) Appendix A to this Initial Decision is a list of additional letters received after the hearing, which will receive the same treatment. The Division, CMKM Diamonds, and the Owners Group filed their Post-Hearing Briefs on June 6, June 17, and June 20, 2005, respectively. The Division filed its Reply Brief on June 29, 2005.3 ISSUES
If CMKM Diamonds has failed to comply with Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13, the issue is what remedial sanction, if any, is appropriate pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Exchange Act. FINDINGS OF FACT
The findings and conclusions herein are based on the entire record. I applied preponderance of the evidence as the standard of proof. See Steadman v. SEC, 450 U.S. 91, 102 (1981). I have considered and rejected all arguments and proposed findings and conclusions that are inconsistent with this Initial Decision. Background
CMKM Diamonds was incorporated in Delaware in 1998 as Cyber Mark International Corp. (Cyber Mark). (Answer at 1-2.) In April 2002, Cyber Mark changed its corporate domicile to Nevada. (Answer at 2; Div. Ex. 3.) On November 25, 2002, Cyber Mark agreed to acquire certain mineral claims held by five companies owned by the family of Urban Casavant (Casavant) in exchange for $2 million and almost 3 billion shares of Cyber Mark restricted common stock with registration rights. (Answer at 2; Div. Ex. 3 at 5.) Prior to his resignation on November 25, 2002, Cyber Mark's sole director appointed Casavant sole director, president, and chief executive officer. (Answer at 2; Div. Ex. 3 at 7.) On November 26, 2002, Casavant appointed his wife, Carolyn Casavant, as vice president of claims, his son, Wesley Casavant, age twenty-two, to the position of corporate treasurer, and his daughter, Cindy Casavant, to the position of corporate secretary. (Answer at 2-3, Div. Ex. 3 at 7.) On December 3, 2002, the company changed its corporate name to Casavant Mining Kimberlite International. (Answer at 3; Div. Ex. 3 at 7.) In February 2004, it changed its name to CMKM Diamonds. (Answer at 3.)
CMKM Diamonds currently is a Nevada corporation based in Las Vegas, Nevada, which is purportedly engaged in the business of mineral exploration.4 (Answer at 6; Form 8-Ks, filed March-May 2005 (official notice); Div. Ex. 6 at 14.) In the most recent information it has provided to the public through a periodic filing, a Form 10-QSB for the quarter ending September 30, 2002, CMKM Diamonds reported total assets of $344.00, all in cash, and total liabilities of $1,672.00. (Div. Ex. 3 at 2.) Casavant currently is the president, chief executive officer, and co-chair of CMKM Diamonds's two-person board of directors. (Tr. 71-73; Div. Exs. 5, 18, 19, 24, 53; Form 8-Ks, filed March-May 2005 (official notice).) Casavant and his wife have signatory authority on CMKM Diamonds's bank accounts. (Tr. 183.) Casavant refused to testify at the hearing, and asserted his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination to all questions asked by the Division.5 (Tr. 242-61.)
From January 1, 2003 through April 19, 2005, the price of CMKM Diamonds's stock ranged from a low of $0.00013 per share to a high of $0.0135 per share. (Div. Ex. 17.) Its average price during this period was $0.00071. (Div. Ex. 17.) The trading volume of CMKM Diamonds's stock from January 2003 until August 2003 exceeded 100 million shares per day on four occasions. (Tr. 137-38; Div. Ex. 61.) From August 2003 to April 2005, however, the trading volume of the company's stock was significantly higher, frequently exceeding 1 billion shares per day and sometimes exceeding 2 billion shares per day. (Tr. 138; Div. Exs. 17, 61.)
In a Form 8-K filed on March 14, 2005, CMKM Diamonds reported that on two occasions during 2004, it had amended its articles of incorporation to change the number of authorized shares. The first amendment, on March 1, 2004, changed the number of authorized shares from 200 billion to 500 billion. The second amendment, on August 18, 2004, changed the number of authorized shares from 500 billion to 800 billion. (Form 8-K, filed March 14, 2005 (official notice).) As of December 31, 2004, CMKM Diamonds had 2,033 shareholders of record and more than 778 billion shares outstanding. (Tr. 159-61; Div. Ex. 14 at 504.)
Donald J. Stoecklein (Stoecklein), current counsel for CMKM Diamonds, owns the Securities Law Institute in Las Vegas, Nevada, which assists approximately forty-two public companies in their periodic reporting obligations, including CMKM Diamonds. (Tr. 315-16.) Stoecklein also owns Opus Pointe, which is an accounting and bookkeeping company and a division of the Securities Law Institute. (Tr. 167, 326-27.) Opus Point and the Securities Law Institute are working on CMKM Diamonds matters and an employee of each firm testified at the public hearing. (Tr. 167, 314.)
On March 4, 2005, CMKM Diamonds announced that, effective March 1, 2005, it had relocated its executive offices to 5375 Procyon Street, Suite 101, Las Vegas, Nevada. (Div. Ex. 53.) However, as of April 6, 2005, this address was occupied only by a "hot rod" shop. (Div. Ex. 55.) "Debbie" at the Securities Law Institute, which is owned by CMKM Diamonds's counsel, reported in an e-mail sent on April 6, 2005, that a shareholder had visited the site, discovered this fact, and reported it on the company's Web site.6 "Debbie" advised that "You might want to call Urban [Casavant] or Michael and have them 'move in' and talk to the owner of the hot rod shop and also tell Andy what to tell shareholders when they call." (Div. Ex. 55.) CMKM Diamonds continued to report this false business address in two subsequent Form 8-K filings. (Div. Ex. 12; Form 8-K, filed May 18, 2005 (official notice).)
Robert Maheu (Maheu) has known Stoecklein for a number of years and is part of a team assembled by Stoecklein, which Maheu believes will clear up past mistakes and will result in compliance going forward. (Tr. 285-86, 296.) Maheu set up the Small Defense Plant Administration fifty years ago, and later the Small Business Administration. (Tr. 285, 287.) Casavant appointed Maheu as co-chairman of CMKM Diamonds's board in February 2005. (Tr. 283-84, 286, 293; Div. Exs. 53, 56.) Maheu is paid $40,000 per month. (Tr. 286.) Failure to File Periodic Reports
CMKM Diamonds registered its securities with the Commission in 1999, pursuant to Section 12(g) of the Exchange Act. (Answer at 1, 6.) Since that time, CMKM Diamonds has failed to file annual reports for its fiscal years ended December 31, 2002, 2003, and 2004. (Answer at 7; Tr. 51; Div. Ex. 1.) It has also failed to file quarterly reports for the periods ended: March 31, June 30, and September 30, 2003; March 31, June 30, and September 30, 2004; and March 31, 2005. (Answer at 7; Tr. 51; Div. Ex. 2.)
On March 31, 2003, the company filed a request for an extension of time to file its annual report for the year ended December 31, 2002, because it had not yet completed its financial statements. (Div. Ex. 4.) CMKM Diamonds never filed an annual report for 2002. (Div. Ex. 1.) On May 16, 2003, the company filed a request for an extension of time to file its quarterly report for the period ended March 31, 2003, claiming it had not yet completed its financial statements. (Div. Ex. 7.) Despite having not filed an annual report for 2002, CMKM Diamonds erroneously represented in this filing that it had filed all required reports for the preceding twelve months. (Div. Ex. 7.) CMKM Diamonds never filed a quarterly report for the quarter ending March 31, 2003. (Div. Ex. 2.)
On July 22, 2003, CMKM Diamonds filed a Form 15, signed by Casavant, pursuant to Exchange Act Rule 12g-4, in which it certified that it had approximately 300 shareholders of record as of that date.7 (Div. Ex. 8.) The trading volume in CMKM Diamonds's shares inexplicably experienced a sharp increase shortly after it filed the Form 15.
On February 16, 2005, CMKM Diamonds revoked its original Form 15 filing because it actually had 698 shareholders of record as of the filing date of the original Form 15.8 (Div. Exs. 9, 13.) The persuasive evidence is that the Division's inquiry to CMKM Diamonds's counsel on December 23, 2004, led CMKM Diamonds to revoke the Form 15 because it contained a materially false representation. (Div. Exs. 20, 21.) Failure to Achieve Compliance
In early January 2005, CMKM Diamonds retained Bagell, Josephs & Company, LLC, to audit the company's financial statements. (Tr. 68-74, 79; Div. Ex. 24.) Neil Levine (Levine), a certified public accountant with that firm and the engagement partner on the audit, met with Casavant and others to discuss the requirements for the audit. (Tr. 68-73.) Since being retained, Levine and his firm have not performed any audit procedures because CMKM Diamonds has failed to provide them with any books, records, or supporting documents, despite their repeated requests. (Tr. 69-71, 82-86, 95, 103, 109.) For example, Levine requested, but never received, supporting documents, such as invoices, for the company's stock issuances. (Tr. 82-86, 91.) He did receive a memorandum with several pages of spreadsheets attached, identifying to whom stock was issued in 2002 and 2003, as well as the number of shares. (Tr. 84-85; Div. Ex. 26.) These documents were incomplete, however, as the stock price was not included for every issuance and there was no information about stock issuances in 2004. (Tr. 85; Div. Ex. 26.)
In late February 2005, Levine sent a letter inquiring about the status of the information he had requested, including general ledgers and documents supporting the company's stock issuances. (Tr. 90-91; Div. Ex. 27.) Levine never received a response. (Tr. 91.) Subsequently, Levine met with Casavant, Stoecklein, and others in Las Vegas. (Tr. 92.) They discussed Levine's requests for documents, and he was informed that the company's books and records were being assembled. (Tr. 92-94, 103.) Levine did not receive any documents at this meeting, and no one gave him a date by which he would receive such documents. (Tr. 93.) He later contacted the company to gauge their progress in assembling the books and records. (Tr. 93-94.) Its response informed him that things were progressing slowly. (Tr. 94.) One week before the hearing, Stoecklein told Levine that the company would be sending him documents. (Tr. 94.) Levine did not receive anything. (Tr. 95.)
Levine opined that if he received all the necessary information in proper form, he may be able to perform the required audits in three months. (Tr. 95-96.) Levine and his firm terminated the engagement with CMKM Diamonds effective at the end of the hearing, due to the company's failure to provide the requested documentation and information required to perform the audit work. (Tr. 96-98; Div. Ex. 59.)
In early March 2005, several months after the auditor was retained, Opus Pointe was hired to compile CMKM Diamonds's financial information for its financial statements.9 (Tr. 168.) Suzanne Herring (Herring) is an accountant with, and president of, Opus Pointe. (Tr. 167.) Since being retained, CMKM Diamonds has provided Opus Pointe with bank statements, cancelled checks, contracts, and reports from the transfer agent. (Tr. 171-72, 179.) Though Herring has made repeated requests for additional documents over several months, she has not been provided with a "pretty substantial" amount of information that she needs to prepare the financial statements. (Tr. 183.) For instance, Herring has repeatedly requested additional documents from Casavant, Ginger Gutierrez, who was the office administrator at the company, CMKM Diamonds's former attorney, and a former company employee. (Tr. 172-79, 181-83.) None of these persons have furnished any documents to Herring. (Tr. 172-79, 182-83.)
When Opus Pointe began its work in March 2005, CMKM Diamonds's balance sheet, financial statements, and general ledger were nonexistent. (Tr. 171.) Opus Pointe has since posted some transactions to draft general ledgers for the fiscal years ended December 31, 2002, 2003, and 2004. (Tr. 171-72, 185; Div. Ex. 58.) These draft ledgers, which are the only books and records prepared to date, are incomplete and based on incomplete information. (Tr. 185-86, 191, 204; Div. Ex. 58.) For example, Herring has not been provided documents that support CMKM Diamonds's issuance of more than $24 million in stock pursuant to an "unknown agreement." (Tr. 191-92.) She also is unsure whether CMKM Diamonds's purported acquisition of a jade collection, supposedly worth $56 million, has or has not been reversed. (Tr. 187-91.)
The draft ledger for 2003 reflects that deposits were made into CMKM Diamonds's bank account. (Tr. 193-96.) These deposits were not revenues earned by the company; instead, they were loans from Casavant. (Tr. 194-96.) The draft ledger for 2003 reflects no revenues because the company was not engaged in any revenue-producing activities. (Tr. 193-96; Div. Ex. 58.) Similarly, the draft ledger for 2004 reflects no business operations and no revenues or income.10 (Tr. 196-97; Div. Ex. 58.) CMKM Diamonds had an accumulated deficit of more than $36 million as of December 31, 2004. (Tr. 197-203.)
Herring estimated that she would require approximately thirty days to reconstruct CMKM Diamonds's books and records for 2002, 2003, and 2004, once she had all the information that she needed. (Tr. 203-04.) She has been unable to proceed because she lacks the documents that she requested from the company. (Tr. 204.)
The meetings Maheu has attended concerning CMKM Diamonds have been held in Stoecklein's office, possibly because Casavant operates CMKM Diamonds out of his home. (Tr. 175, 291.) Maheu has no background in the mining business, and does not know how many employees CMKM Diamonds has, if any, who they are, how much they are paid, or what kind of work they perform. (Tr. 296-98.) He has never seen CMKM Diamonds's general ledger and does not know what the company's assets and liabilities are. (Tr. 307-08.) Maheu incorrectly assumed that an audit of the company's financial statements had started as of the date of the hearing. (Tr. 306-07.) Maheu was unaware that CMKM Diamonds had not responded to requests for financial information and, at the hearing, he learned that CMKM Diamonds had not provided auditors and bookkeepers with documents they requested from Casavant months earlier. (Tr. 288-91.)
CMKM Diamonds currently has no independent auditor to audit its financial statements. In fact, it has no financial statements to be audited. In addition, no drafts of any of CMKM Diamonds's missing periodic reports have been prepared. (Tr. 336-38.) No witness could specify a date by which CMKM Diamonds would file any of its delinquent reports. (Tr. 275, 296, 354.) CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13-13 thereunder require issuers of securities registered pursuant to Section 12 of the Exchange Act to file periodic and other reports with the Commission. Exchange Act Rule 13a-1 requires issuers to submit annual reports, and Exchange Act Rule 13a-13 requires issuers to submit quarterly reports. No showing of scienter is necessary to establish a violation of Section 13(a) or the rules thereunder. SEC v. McNulty, 137 F.3d 732, 740-41 (2d Cir. 1998); SEC v. Wills, 472 F.Supp. 1250, 1268 (D.D.C. 1978).
The purpose of the periodic reporting provisions is to supply the investing public with current and accurate information about an issuer so that the investing public may make informed decisions. As stated in SEC v. Beisinger Indus. Corp., 552 F.2d 15, 18 (1st Cir. 1977) (quoting legislative history):
The reporting requirements of the [Exchange Act are] the primary tool[s] which Congress has fashioned for the protection of investors from negligent, careless, and deliberate misrepresentations in the sale of stock and securities. Congress has extended the reporting requirements even to companies which are "relatively unknown and insubstantial."
CMKM Diamonds admits that it has not filed an annual report since May 9, 2002, or a quarterly report since November 18, 2002, but it contends that it did not violate the periodic reporting provisions, because it had a good faith belief that the number of shareholders of record identified in the original Form 15 was accurate, and that filing was not denied or revoked by the Commission. (Answer at 5, 7; April 13, 2005, Prehearing Conference Tr. 12; Tr. 51-54; Resp. Post-Hearing Br. at 2, 5-7, 15-16.) More specifically, CMKM Diamonds argues that the filing of the Form 15 on July 22, 2003, suspended its duty to file periodic reports until it revoked the Form 15 on February 17, 2005. (Answer at 5, 11-12; Tr. 51-54; Resp. Post-Hearing Br. at 2, 5-7, 15-16.)
Exchange Act Rule 12g-4 provides, in relevant part, that an issuer's duty to file periodic reports shall be suspended immediately upon filing a certification on Form 15 that its class of securities registered under the Exchange Act is held of record by less than 300 persons. Implicit in this rule is that the information reported be true and correct. See SEC v. Savoy Indus., 587 F.2d 1149, 1165 (D.C. Cir. 1978); SEC v. Kalvex, Inc., 425 F. Supp. 310, 316 (S.D.N.Y. 1975); see also Black's Law Dictionary, 124, 220 (7th ed. 1999) (a "certification" is an "attested statement," which means a statement affirmed to be true or genuine). The evidence establishes that CMKM Diamonds knew, or was reckless in not knowing, that it had more than 300 shareholders of record when it filed the Form 15 on July 22, 2003.
On January 12, 2003, CMKM Diamonds issued 994,083,000 shares to 360 people for "fieldwork in Canada."11 (Tr. 157-59; Div. Exs. 15, 26.) CMKM Diamonds also issued almost 3 billion shares to twenty-nine companies on January 22, 2003. (Tr. 87-89; Div. Exs. 16, 26.) On January 7, 2003, CMKM Diamonds announced that it was performing a shareholder audit designed to identify every shareholder of record. (Div. Ex. 29.) Two weeks later, the company announced that it expected the audit to be completed in the next few days. (Div. Ex. 30.) Given the company's recent issuance of shares, this shareholder audit would have determined that CMKM Diamonds had more than 300 shareholders of record as of January 2003.
Less than one month after filing the false Form 15, CMKM Diamonds announced a two-for-one stock split, payable to all shareholders of record as of September 12, 2003. (Div. Exs. 34, 36, 38, 41.) Also, the company announced in September 2003 that it was spinning off a portion of its business, and each shareholder of record as of September 19, 2003, would receive one share of the subsidiary's stock for each share of CMKM Diamonds stock they held. (Div. Ex. 40.) These announcements indicate that CMKM Diamonds was well aware of the true number of its shareholders of record in the months that immediately followed the filing of the false Form 15.
The records of CMKM Diamonds's transfer agent, 1st Global Stock Transfer, LLC (1st Global), establish that CMKM Diamonds had 698 shareholders of record on July 22, 2003. (Tr. 141-42, 146-47, 151; Div. Ex. 13.) 1st Global would have retained a copy of a request by a company for a shareholder list. (Tr. 155-57.) 1st Global has no record or recollection of CMKM Diamonds requesting a copy of a shareholder list or otherwise inquiring as to the number of shareholders it had in July 2003. (Tr. 155-57, 162, 165-66.) Thus, the evidence is that CMKM Diamonds made no effort to confirm or verify the number of shareholders of record before filing the Form 15.
Moreover, an attorney representing CMKM Diamonds wrote a letter to the transfer agent dated February 5, 2004, stating that 1st Global's records of the company's share issuances since January 2003 "match the records and remembrances of [CMKM Diamonds]."12 (Div. Ex. 57.) As such, CMKM Diamonds must have known that it had more than 300 shareholders of record when it filed the original Form 15.
In addition, Casavant and CMKM Diamonds issued statements throughout 2004 that: (1) support my finding that the company either knew, or was reckless in not knowing, that the original Form 15 was false; and (2) contradict the contention that CMKM Diamonds did not believe it had any reporting obligations subsequent to filing the false Form 15. These statements demonstrate that CMKM knew that the original Form 15 was false and that it remained subject to the periodic reporting requirements.
Beginning in January 2004, Casavant mentioned to a business partner that CMKM Diamonds "needed to be reporting," and he assured him ten or twelve times in 2004 that CMKM Diamonds was "working on getting reporting," and that the company was "getting close to be[ing] reporting." (Tr. 208-09, 214.) Casavant wanted to announce that CMKM Diamonds "was reporting" in October 2004 at a shareholder appreciation party. (Tr. 209-10.) In June 2004, CMKM Diamonds issued at least three press releases in which it announced that it was taking steps to becoming fully reporting and that it was dedicated to complying fully with all requirements.13 (Div. Exs. 43-45.) In September 2004, CMKM Diamonds announced that its accountants were "working to complete the audit of the company's financials. When that has been accomplished, the company will be well on its way to becoming a reporting company again." (Div. Ex. 49.) Furthermore, in October 2004, Casavant stated in an interview broadcast on an Internet Web site that the company was "working really hard" to bring current its reporting, and that it was "ahead of schedule." (Tr. 211; Div. Exs. 18, 19.) Although he did not provide an exact date by which the audit would be completed, Casavant indicated that it may be by the end of October 2004. (Div. Exs. 18, 19.)
Assuming arguendo that CMKM Diamonds honestly believed somehow that it had three hundred or less shareholders on July 22, 2003, there is no evidence is that it made an effort to confirm or verify such material information with its transfer agent prior to filing the false Form 15. By not doing so, and in light of its stock issuances and announcements before it filed the Form 15, CMKM Diamonds turned a blind eye to information that would have revealed the misrepresentation in the Form 15. See SEC v. Roor, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 17416 at *15, *26 (S.D.N.Y. 2004). Accordingly, CMKM Diamonds's conduct in this regard was, at a minimum, reckless. See id.; see also In re Fischbach Corp. Sec. Litig., 1992 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 373 (S.D.N.Y. 1992).
The evidence is overwhelming that CMKM Diamonds and Casavant knew or, at a minimum, was reckless in not knowing, that the original Form 15 was false. I therefore conclude that filing the false Form 15 did not suspend CMKM Diamonds's reporting obligations.14 To conclude otherwise would permit companies to deprive shareholders and the investing public generally of information about the company by knowingly or recklessly filing materially false forms with the Commission.
The facts of this case demonstrate a situation where management deprived shareholders and investors of material information in official filings, but promoted the company to investors through informal news releases and public statements that contained false information. Since filing the false Form 15, CMKM Diamonds has told the public informally that it has engaged in several multi-million dollar transactions. For example, in press releases issued on July 27, 2004, and September 13, 2004, respectively, CMKM Diamonds announced the receipt of $3 million from U.S. Canadian Minerals and $5 million from St. George Minerals. (Tr. 308-09; Div. Exs. 46, 48.) These press released also indicated that CMKM Diamonds would soon file its delinquent reports. As a result of CMKM Diamonds's failure to file periodic reports making formal public disclosure of material information, the investing public has received only self-serving statements from persons promoting CMKM Diamonds.
I conclude that CMKM Diamonds violated Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13 by failing to file: (1) annual reports since May 9, 2002; and (2) quarterly reports since November 18, 2002.
Finally, at the hearing on May 10, 2005, CMKM Diamonds argued that its periodic filings were only delinquent by twenty-two days.15 (Tr. 51-57; Resp. Post-Hearing Br. at 2, 5-7, 15-16.) However, CMKM Diamonds knew that revocation of the Form 15 required CMKM Diamonds to file all missing periodic reports within sixty days, or by April 18, 2005. (Tr. 324.) As of the date of this Initial Decision, CMKM Diamonds had not filed the missing reports. Therefore, even if I accepted CMKM Diamonds's position that it acted in good faith and believed that the representations in its Form 15 were true, it is still in violation of Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13. SANCTIONS
Section 12(j) of the Exchange Act authorizes the Commission, "as it deems necessary or appropriate for the protection of investors," to revoke the registration of a security or suspend the registration of a security for a period not exceeding twelve months if it finds, after notice and an opportunity for hearing, that the issuer of such security has failed to comply with any provision of the Exchange Act or the rules and regulations thereunder. Because I have already concluded that CMKM Diamonds violated Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13, the only remaining issue is the appropriate sanction.
In determining whether a sanction is appropriate under Section 12(j) of the Exchange Act, the public interest factors identified in Steadman v. SEC are instructive. 603 F.2d 1126, 1140 (5th Cir. 1979), aff'd on other grounds, 450 U.S. 91 (1981); see also WSF Corp. , 77 SEC Docket 1831, 1836-37 (May 8, 2002) (12(j) case applying Steadman). The relevant factors under Steadman are: (1) the egregiousness of the respondent's actions; (2) the isolated or recurrent nature of the infraction; (3) the degree of scienter involved; (4) the sincerity of the respondent's assurances against future violations; (5) the respondent's recognition of the wrongful nature of its conduct; and (6) the likelihood of future violations. 603 F.2d at 1140. No one factor controls. See SEC v. Fehn, 97 F.3d 1276, 1295-96 (9th Cir. 1996).
CMKM Diamonds's violations of the periodic reporting provisions were recurrent, egregious, and evidence a high degree of scienter. Over a period of several years, it failed to file: (1) required annual reports for its fiscal years ended December 31, 2002, 2003, and 2004; and (2) required quarterly reports for the periods ended March 31, June 30, and September 30, 2003, and 2004, and March 31, 2005. Several of these violations occurred after the institution of this proceeding, and each violation occurred after Casavant assumed control of the company. Furthermore, CMKM Diamonds filed a registration statement on Form S-8 in May 2003, more than two months before it filed the false Form 15. (Div. Ex. 6.) Thus, it was required to file periodic reports pursuant to Exchange Act Section 15(d) for at least the remainder of 2003. CMKM Diamonds failed to do so. Lastly, the instructions to Form S-8 require that an issuer may use Form S-8 only when it has filed all required periodic reports for the preceding twelve months. CMKM Diamonds, however, was delinquent in filing its annual report for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2002, when it registered its securities on Form S-8.
CMKM Diamonds's violations involved important provisions of the Exchange Act. Throughout the period during which it has filed no reports, CMKM Diamonds has operated in secret, revealing scant information to the investing public regarding its purported multi-million dollar transactions and stock issuances while the trading volume of its stock is consistently more than 1 billion shares per day. Finally, CMKM Diamonds continues to report a false business address in filings with the Commission.
The company's and Casavant's repeated statements during 2004 about "working on getting reporting" and becoming compliant indicate that the company was acutely aware of its failure to file required periodic reports. Furthermore, as discussed above, CMKM Diamonds misrepresented the number of its shareholders of record in the original Form 15.
CMKM Diamonds does not appreciate the wrongfulness of its conduct and the requirement that it provide the investing public with accurate information. It also has failed to offer adequate assurances against future violations. Although CMKM Diamonds was purportedly "working on getting reporting" during 2004, CMKM Diamonds's first actual efforts at becoming compliant were in January 2005, after the Division had already contacted it regarding its delinquent reports. Prior to that time, the company's financial statements were nonexistent and it had retained no auditor. (Tr. 68-77, 171.) In fact, to this day its financial statements remain nonexistent and its auditor has since resigned due to the company's failure to cooperate with the audit. In February 2005, CMKM Diamonds announced that it was "working toward completing an audit of its financial statements." (Div. Ex. 52.) In reality, however, the company had no financial statements to audit and an audit had yet to begin. Since that time, the company has refused to provide its auditor and bookkeeper with information, despite their repeated requests. Additionally, CMKM Diamonds repeatedly misrepresented its business address in the following months.
Maheu's appointment as director does little to assure me that the company will be able to effect prompt compliance, as he is without sufficient control of the company or the situation. For example, as of the hearing, he was under the mistaken impression that an audit had commenced. Furthermore, he learned at the hearing that the company had consistently failed to provide documents requested by its auditor and bookkeeper.
Finally, CMKM Diamonds's violations of the periodic reporting provisions will likely to continue in the future. Opus Pointe has barely begun assembling the company's financial statements, and despite repeated requests, the company has yet to provide it with substantial information necessary for their completion. Moreover, CMKM Diamonds's auditor recently terminated the engagement due primarily to Casavant's failure to provide promised documents. Thus, CMKM Diamonds has no independent auditor and no financial statements to be audited. Furthermore, no drafts of CMKM Diamonds's missing reports have been prepared and no witness could specify a date by which the company would file any of its delinquent reports. As such, it is highly likely that CMKM Diamonds will continue to violate the periodic reporting provisions in the future.
The public hearing was an opportunity for CMKM Diamonds to address the allegations in the OIP. It failed to do so. Casavant seems to be the only person running the company and he refused to testify. Several witnesses testified that they tried to get financial information from Casavant and he failed to supply it. CMKM Diamonds has been out of compliance since 2002, and has made no good faith effort to remedy the situation.
CMKM Diamonds's failure to file required periodic reports has deprived the investing public of current, reliable information regarding its operations, purported million-dollar transactions, and financial condition. Viewing the Steadman factors in their entirety, I conclude that the appropriate sanction for the protection of investors is revocation of the registration of CMKM Diamonds's securities. RECORD CERTIFICATION
Pursuant to Rule 351(b) of the Commission's Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.351(b), I hereby certify that the record includes the items set forth in the record index issued by the Secretary of the Commission on July 6, 2005. ORDER
Based on the findings and conclusions set forth above:
IT IS ORDERED THAT, pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registration of each class of securities of CMKM Diamonds, Inc., is hereby REVOKED.
This Initial Decision shall become effective in accordance with and subject to the provisions of Rule 360 of the Commission's Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.360. Pursuant to that Rule, a party may file a petition for review of this Initial Decision within twenty-one days after service of the Initial Decision. A party may also file a motion to correct a manifest error of fact within ten days of the Initial Decision, pursuant to Rule 111 of the Commission's Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.111. If a motion to correct a manifest error of fact is filed by a party, then that party shall have twenty-one days to file a petition for review from the date of the undersigned's order resolving such motion to correct a manifest error of fact. The Initial Decision will not become final until the Commission enters an order of finality. The Commission will enter an order of finality unless a party files a petition for review or a motion to correct a manifest error of fact or the Commission determines on its own initiative to review the Initial Decision as to a party. If any of these events occur, the Initial Decision shall not become final as to that party.
__________________ Brenda P. Murray Chief Administrative Law Judge
Appendix A
Endnotes
1 The Owners Group is a non-party granted limited participation.
2 The Division called an independent auditor, a Commission information and technology specialist, a transfer agent, a bookkeeper, a business man, and the president, chief executive officer, and co-director of CMKM Diamonds to testify. CMKM Diamonds called a business man, an attorney, and the co-director of CMKM Diamonds to testify.
3 Citations to CMKM Diamonds's Answer will be noted as "(Answer __.)." Citations to the transcript of the hearing will be noted as "(Tr. __.)." Citations to the Division's and CMKM Diamonds's exhibits will be noted as "(Div. Ex. __.)," and "(Resp. Ex. __.)," respectively. Citations to the Division's, John Martin's, and CMKM Diamonds's Post-Hearing Briefs will be noted as "(Div. Post-Hearing Br. __.)," "(Owners Group Post-Hearing Br. __.)," and "(Resp. Post-Hearing Br. __.)," respectively.
4 Cyber Mark was formerly engaged in the electronic game industry. (Div. Ex. 3 at 2.)
5 A trier of fact in a civil proceeding may draw adverse inferences from a respondent's refusal to testify. See Baxter v. Palmigiano, 425 U.S. 308, 319-20 (1976); John Kilpatrick, 48 S.E.C. 481, 486 & n.18 (1986). This may extend to a corporate defendant based on an officer's refusal to testify. See SEC v. Prater, 289 F. Supp. 2d 39, 50 (D. Conn. 2003). Nonetheless, I have not drawn any adverse inferences from Casavant's refusal to testify, because the evidence in the record is more than sufficient to decide this matter. Casavant was represented by David Z. Chesnoff, Las Vegas, Nevada, and Gerald W. Griffin, New York, New York.
6 In February 2005, Debbie Amigone was one of Stoecklein's employees working on CMKM Diamonds matters. (Tr. 163.)
7 Form 15 is titled Certification and Notice of Termination of Registration Under Section 12(g) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 or Suspension of Duty to File Reports Under Sections 13 and 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
8 CMKM Diamonds's assertion that it brought the incorrect Form 15 to the Commission's attention in February 2005, when it learned that CMKM Diamonds had more than 300 shareholders on July 22, 2003, is false. (Answer at 5, 11-12; Tr. 318-24, 342-47; Div. Ex. 54.) On December 23, 2004, the Division inquired of counsel why CMKM Diamonds was not filing periodic reports. (Div. Exs. 20, 21.) At that time, CMKM Diamonds was represented by David G. Liston, Hughes Hubbard & Reed, LLP. (Id.) This correspondence establishes that the Commission knew in December 2004 that CMKM Diamonds's Form 15 was false.
9 CMKM Diamonds did not pay Opus Pointe's retainer; rather, it was paid by the Securities Law Institute. (Tr. 169.)
10 CMKM Diamonds's business partners testified that the company did, in fact, have some business operations. According to their testimony: CMKM Diamonds owns one mine shaft in Ecuador, and Nevada Minerals is the operator of the mine. (Tr. 220-22, 237-38, 263-64.) U.S. Canadian Minerals owns a processing facility in Ecuador, which processes the ore that is extracted from CMKM Diamonds's mine. (Tr. 216-21, 236-37, 267-68, 271.) Under the terms of Nevada Minerals's contract with CMKM Diamonds, Nevada Minerals is entitled to twenty percent of the revenue that CMKM Diamonds collects. (Tr. 272-75.)
In 2004, CMKM Diamonds and U.S. Canadian Minerals purportedly split between $90,000 and $120,000 in revenues. (Tr. 217-19, 222-23.) CMKM Diamonds did not, however, actually receive this money, as it went to either Nevada Minerals or the purchase of safety equipment. (Tr. 238-39, 275-76) CMKM Diamonds owed Nevada Minerals $180,000, as of one week before the hearing. (Tr. 239, 273-76; Div. Exs. 22, 23.) As the result of a default letter, the parties agreed in May 2005 that Nevada Minerals will take possession of the "sands" in Ecuador to satisfy the debt that CMKM Diamonds owes Nevada Minerals. (Tr. 273.) Also, in December 2004, Nevada Minerals surrendered 75 billion shares of CMKM Diamonds stock to the company for a $2.2 million promissory note due in December 2005. (Tr. 277-78.) CMKM Diamonds and U.S. Canadian Minerals are also engaged in a joint venture in Canada, which has not generated any revenues. (Tr. 240.)
11 As sole director, Casavant has authorized the issuance of an unbelievable number of CMKM Diamonds's shares. The owner of CMKM Diamonds's transfer agent, who I find credible based on her demeanor, testified that she found this stock issuance to be strange, and she did not transfer stock for any other company with over 778 billion shares outstanding. (Tr. 159, 166.)
12 The letter was written by Brian Dvorak of Dvorak & Associates, Ltd., another attorney representing the company. (Tr. 176.)
13 In two of the press releases, Casavant announced that CMKM Diamonds had retained the law firm of Edwards & Angell. (Div. Exs. 44, 45.)
14 CMKM Diamonds presented no evidence to support its defense that it relied on the advice of counsel in filing the original Form 15. (April 13, 2005, Prehearing Conference Tr. 12; Answer at 3.)
15 Exchange Act Rule 12g-4(b) provides that if the certification on Form 15 is subsequently withdrawn, the issuer shall, within sixty days of such withdrawal, file with the Commission all reports which would have been required had the certification not been filed.
Posted by will on :
"(assuming we get the financials filed in the next few months)" - big assumptions seeing that they haven't been able to file crapola for financials in three years, and won't furnish any detail.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I will likewise report to you in whatever detail I can, my findings in Ecuador and Saskatchewan."
Just great!!! Looks like Bill Frizzy is spending that additional $25 on worthless trips to Ecuador and Saskatchewan vacations. WTF happened to Phase 2? Doesn't that lawyer know that all the records that might exist are in Urban Casavant's home and not in those places. Forgot! Maybe they're in that Body Shop they lied about as being the CMKX address. Or maybe in that secret warehouse location which Casavant can tell him about when he goes to UC's house.
I'd say that some might now be being duped by Frizzy the 2nd time as well as all the times they have been duped by others.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
What do you think Frizzy might see in Ecuador or Sask. but couple of muddy holes? How many records will he see in those holes? How many facts will he uncover besides the fact that a couple of holes exist? WHAT A WASTE!!! GO WHERE THE RECORDS SHOULD BE!
Posted by Ric on :
Well, Ecuador is a different matter IMO. CMKX is not a mining company. They may have got lucky with Ecuador but Nevada Minerals is the MINING company doing the mining. Now Sask. thats were the interest is. What is there besides a very old drill and Dusty's shed that UC stole. I would like to know that myself. Wonder if we would get a honest commentary from Frizzell on it. I really don't think that UC will let Frizzell see Sask. There will be one reason after another why now is not a good time.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Thats bull, according to Frizzell himself, he was the only one that would take the job and then charged 6 figures to do it just as a retainer. The SEC isn't going to allow an IPO unless CMKX comes up with all its filings. If you roll the company into CIM then CIM is really CMKX now. The SEC isn't that stupid. If it was that easy to break the law then work around it then there is no use of revoking any company. It's like saying that a Judge gave a monetary settlement against a company and it rolled into a new company that the new company is released from the responsibility, which it isn't. You can dream all you want but without complete filings this is DOA.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Trading on CMKX will go on now until the appeals procedure has run it's course. How does that "protect" future shareholders......the desire of the SEC? What a joke.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Thats bull, according to Frizzell himself, he was the only one that would take the job and then charged 6 figures to do it just as a retainer. The SEC isn't going to allow an IPO unless CMKX comes up with all its filings. If you roll the company into CIM then CIM is really CMKX now. The SEC isn't that stupid. If it was that easy to break the law then work around it then there is no use of revoking any company. It's like saying that a Judge gave a monetary settlement against a company and it rolled into a new company that the new company is released from the responsibility, which it isn't. You can dream all you want but without complete filings this is DOA.
You really are very naive Ric.
Posted by Ric on :
I'm naive, lol. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This is such an obvious scam that its hard to believe you don't see it. It's naive to think that once trading stops that you will ever see anything from this again.
Posted by bill1352 on :
trading will continue because everyone has the right to appeal any legal decision. if you are out on bail & inform the judge your appealing a guilty finding, you stay out on bail. i will agree Legal, our system does more to protect the criminal then the victim. personally, from what hakala said about questionable trading i'm betting even if cmkx files the SEC will open their own phase II, its called criminal charges. notice the auditor had his lawyer in on the deal? a 6 figure retainer? i dont think anyone trusts the books cmkx wants audited & i'll bet every entry will be checked by the SEC. i'm also guessing cmkx has some thing that will be skimmed over like the 3 billion shares to 29 companies, the 2 gem buys, the GEMM divy that was never paid. i'm also guessing but i bet the only reason this filing effort, if its true, is happening is UC is worried about frizzy & the OG. i got an idea they screwed up his master plan.
Posted by Ric on :
bill, I agree with the frizzy screwed up UC's master plan. I bet he is calling them wanting updates constantly. They know they can't let the shareholders know this was a scam. Because guess who they will go after next. UC is problably hoping the SEC shoots down his appeal real fast.
Posted by will on :
Now there is solid proof. lol One reference note that guy is an auditor for IPO, and he becomes an expert and will handle this bag of crap rolling into a new company. Talk about seeing what you want to see and supporting your contentions with inuendo. God man, get shed of the double standard, and hold yourself and these other daydreaming windbags to the same standard you ask from everyone else when your getting your ass kicked in a logical arguement.
Posted by Ric on :
I can't believe someone would even make that statement with a straight face. Did he bother to read the transcripts or read the boards. HOW HARD THEY TRIED TO COOPERATE, lol. UC took the fifth, Auditors quit because they couldn't get documents, and accountants had the same problems. They refused to give shareholders basic information on the company. Maheu wasn't even told what was going on. Cooperate what?????
*Urban and Maheu never trusted the SEC anyway IMO!
Does anyone really feel this is such a shocker. The SEC (which includes Judge Murray) was bent on taking Urban and CMKM Diamonds, Inc. down NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRIED TO COOPERATE IMO. Posted by legaleagle on :
can't believe someone would even make that statement with a straight face. Did he bother to read the transcripts or read the boards. HOW HARD THEY TRIED TO COOPERATE, lol. UC took the fifth, Auditors quit because they couldn't get documents, and accountants had the same problems. They refused to give shareholders basic information on the company. Maheu wasn't even told what was going on. Cooperate what?????
The co-operation with the SEC took place long before the suspension and hearing.
Posted by Ric on :
And you know this how. I missed that somewhere.
If they weren't even co-operating with there own auditor how do you know they were with the SEC. And since Maheu didn't even know that there was no co-operation or much of anything for that fact, were was the co-operation?
By the way, I said hi to you over on your board legal. I will keep my comment here though. At least you can't give bad ratings there like they did to some of us here. Wasn't very nice.
Posted by will on :
Ric, you forget only those with negative opinions are required to have proof, or a link. noah and his pals can dream away, and whatever comes out of their imagination is cold hard fact and doesn't require any support or proof. The CMKX and the faithful's double standard.
Posted by Ric on :
Someone needs to rush this guy a big glass of koolaid quick. Next Day mail will get it there by 10am.
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posted on 7/13/2005 at 12:44 AM
Great response from Bill
but I am not happy with the judges ruling. It has become apparent to me that UC has lied to us all about the filings for a year or so. Every time he has told us we were close. He had not even taken steps to start the process. This fiasco reflects very poorly on UC' s integrity and truthfulness. We can only hope that he just might still be able to get us through this and maybe just maybe actually get the job done with a new auditor on board. Enough for now I need to sleep on this.
TD
Posted by Ric on :
No proof or facts for so long has made there delusions grow more important then then company itself.
quote:Originally posted by will: Ric, you forget only those with negative opinions are required to have proof, or a link. noah and his pals can dream away, and whatever comes out of their imagination is cold hard fact and doesn't require any support or proof. The CMKX and the faithful's double standard.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Posted by Ric on :
They are an auditor of public companies. I am sure they have done business with a lot of different types of public and private companies. I sure they have worked with just about any company you want to compare yours with. Just because you sign with a agent that represents Barry Bonds don't make you a homerun power house.
Posted by bill1352 on :
the only way this cult wouldn't turn the auditor into some god like auditor is if it was his first audit & then they would put the clown above everyone somehow. the guy is supposed to take all the books & proof that what is entered into those books is the truth & add everything up to make sure the companies math is correct. i wonder if he understands cmkx math, the type of math that takes .0011 micrgrams & it becomes hundereds of billions worth of diamonds. he also better turn all phone numbers off cause the cult will be calling every hour for updates,
Posted by ed19363 on :
So now we have a new hero. What can Beckerhead (?) accomplish that others could not? Is UC actually going to produce records this time? Does Beckerhead wear a red cape? Is he going to go to Sask and look in empty holes, too? Was he included in the original "master plam"? IMO, some of the faithful are bailing out and saying goodbye. Seems to me that 120 days from now there will be nobody left but them. Everyone else has the sense to see that this whole thing is going nowhere....
Posted by will on :
Everyone that is hired or comes in contact with pos company is an EXPERT. Then after they wet their beak for 6 figures, and the results of their efforts amount to 0, they become professionals that UC relied on that screwed him. Just prepare yourself for more of the same. If the faithful doesn't see a pattern here, they glorify, supersize, and magnify these guys, then later they become scapegoats, cheaters, and liars.
Posted by ed19363 on :
That about covers it....
Posted by will on :
Just how many times does it take for you faithful fools to see things as they really are. Think about it, noah. There has been so many moments of greatness just around the corner, then when you turn that corner instead of fulfillmet of your fantastic theory, you find a pitbull that latches on to your pouch. Then you run back to Dr. D, and your other gurus, and get a bandaid, and he hands you the next great happening. You crawl off, grateful, and thankful for his thoughts and instruction, and go out and preach the gospel according to Dr. D et al. Then suddenly you hear the growl of the angry pitbull, and CHOMP! You are either the biggest fool I have ever seen, a masochist, a horse's ass, or you are putting us on and just like to be the devil's advocate. A thousand disappointment, and more to come, and you try to convince everyone that all is well in CMKXtown.
Posted by ed19363 on :
AW, come on, let the guy wriggle in his misery. Dont you know he has inside info?? He knows the master plam !!! Legal/Noah knows EVERYTHING will be all right. It's just a matter of time until the cult overthrows the evil SEC, DTCC and all the market makers. Little do we realize that UC and his gang are the most powerful force ever to hit the Earth. After they straighten out the stock market, they will turn their attention to world famine and war, and solve that problem too.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Dr D on Judges Ruling
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Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,069 Location: Kentucky It appears Shorty may have won round 1 « Thread Started on Today at 6:03am »
I want to preface this post with the statement that I am still very confident in our position and I believe the company is fully able to prevail in the Appeals process and or the filing of a Form 10 to resolve the registration problems we obviously are having and can’t seem to deal with at this time. I fully support Mr. Casavant, Mr. Maheu and the company and their energies to accomplish what they have set out to do for all of us although I may disagree with the methodology. This initial decision of judge brenda is not the end, nor the beginning of the end for CMKM Diamonds. We have 21 days to Appeal and then I believe a 90 day process to present our case to have the revocation overturned. I intend to hold on and hang in here for the long haul as I have often said. I believe CMKX has the goods and I also believe that the company with or without having the securities registered will succeed.
(Warning, I may vent a little bit here and there.) To start with, we fully expected that Judge Murray would revoke without filings from the company and she did. I do fully disagree with her decision as I do not believe the SEC presented an effective case to prove the Form 15 was filed in error intentionally by the company. Since the SEC did not prove intentional misconduct, then the filings should have been governed by SEC regulation allowing them 60 days to comply before they were even 1 day late. After consideration of Judge Murray’s conduct prior to and during the hearing, as siding with the SEC, along with comments she made prematurely about the Appeal, I believe her initial decision, IMHO, was made before the hearing was ever over and before all of the evidence was in. You can make of that statement what you will, but I believe her ruling should be thrown out, she should be disqualified, and her conduct and intent investigated. I just hope she can sleep at night after waving the options that were before her and opting to revoke instead of suspension, extension, or settlement. Why? I won’t say. I hope she understands what she is putting these shareholders through by her “rush to judgment”. It is only my opinion, but I believe she knew what she was going to do going into the hearing and that was revoke.
I think we can all understand the frustration that many shareholders are experiencing right now with the company, the SEC, certain individuals, and the market system as a whole. It is true that it is very disappointing to all of us that the company could not supply an acceptable progress report or the filings that the SEC or the Judge wanted to see in order to prevent this “initial decision” of revocation from being handed down. We all expected that even a progress report with a few past due filings from 2002 and/or 2003 would have went a long way.
I guess we were running a lot on trust, hope, and belief that the management of the company would be able to successfully thwart the efforts of the SEC and accomplices to revoke the securities registration during the hearing and we were wrong. After seeing the progressive moves from the regulators with: (1) A joke of a regulation with SHO being promoted as a solution to NSS (2) We find out that the regulators had been revealing to the Naked shorters the ins and outs of SHO, (3) Furnishing shorty with advanced lists of the Threshold Securities (4) Permitting Shorty to cover one naked short with another naked short to reset the dates of the failure to delivers (5) Limiting the liability of the SRO’s for willful misconduct, gross negligence, violations of federal securities laws, etc… (6) Refusing to investigate NSS positions being held against companies and mocking the shareholders when they complain (7) Allowing the SRO’s to intimidate Media sources from disclosing or revealing information such as StockGate (8) Blaming Paper Stock Certificates as the markets failure to deliver problem (9) Pushing Dematerialization across the U.S. to make it illegal to hold or own paper stock certificates (10) Protecting the Illegal Stock Counterfeiters by refusing access by companies and transfer agents to a company’s trading activities (11) Making it illegal for a company to voluntarily withdraw from the DTCC even if it is to protect the integrity of the company and it’s ability to operate in getting away from NSS being logged against the company’s security by the DTCC/NSCC unless it is permitted to withdraw by DTCC permission (Which it denies 99% of the time) (12) Anything else you care to enter!
it became obvious that we were up against a clear “monster” or “mobster” in the SEC, DTCC, NSCC, and associates. They clearly have an agenda and are willing to do what it takes to see it carried out. There is a lot at stake for the SEC, the DTCC, and the NSCC to move to STP (Straight Through Processing) and if Stock Counterfeiting were proven on a huge scale in the market place it would stop their progress towards STP on a dime. Congress would have to step in and demand a fix to the system that would take years as they would have to rewrite some regulations and there would be no tolerance for the fails that STP would cause. With STP in place without paper stock certificates available and intervention by Transfer Agents being prohibited by new rules the DTCC/SEC/NSCC would rule the market and govern trading nearly worldwide with no resistance or transparency. JMHO of course.
We knew we had to be on the top of our game to get through the Administrative Hearing favorably and as we all know, we were not on the top of our game. I’m not to sure at this point that we really ever got into the game at the Hearing. If I am correct in my assumption, and I believe I am, then the company “will file the Appeal” and hopefully let us know that they have filed it. (I know that is a little sarcastic, but I believe it is warranted.)
It is sad to see so many misinterpret what transpired today with this “initial decision” by the judge and unfortunately the SEC is going to allow trading for 21 days leading up to the appeals process and so many shareholders are already positioning themselves to make the mistake of selling their positions. Unfortunately after such a brave fight by many for so long, they are selling out to shorty and don’t even know it. Sometimes it’s hard to hold on and sometimes it is hard to hang in there, but I still believe Greenbaron was right when he said this is the “Stock Play of a Life Time”. By far it has been that for me and it isn’t even close to being over. I for one will be trying to get into position to buy more shares if at all possible over the next few days if for no other reason than to keep them out of shorty’s hands.
The bottom line is that we didn’t get ANY filings and we don’t know why. We can only speculate that the filings simply were not ready to be filed with the regulators, because the company has not said a word to us. Unacceptable! They did say when the Form 15A was filed that we could not meet the 60 day deadline that would be imposed by the SEC regs, but nothing really since that time. Personally, I am very disappointed in the management of the company and their ability to communicate with us, as shareholders. It is one thing for the company/Mr. Casavant/Mr. Maheu to not be in a position to furnish the SEC with necessary 10K’s, 10Q’s, 8K’s, etc…, but in my opinion I believe the company reached the point of inexcusable when we the shareholders stand with the company through all of the BS we have been through and not one single word of explanation, direction, or condolence being uttered from those we have supported other than Mr. Frizzell. Thank you very much sir for your incredible efforts for all of us.
I fully respect Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu as I believe they are incredible individuals in their own right, but this silence over the last month is and has been BS to the 10th degree. It has been since October when Mr. Casavant asked us to stick with him “ONE MORE TIME”. Now, I am asking you to PLEASE communicate with us about what is going on without all of the “clues and innuendoes” before we lose any more of our shareholder base. I am aware of the mining industry and the competitiveness that goes on, but IMHO this has nothing to do with that. I believe if we stay in we win, but if we are going to keep the shareholders of this company then we are in need of more than that. We were told to keep looking for 8k’s for info that had some confusing info and then even that dried up. If Mr. Frizzell is your communication to us, then tell us your communication is going to come through him. If someone is trying to take the company over let us know and we will help. If we entered toxic financing and difficulties have been raised let us know and we will do what we can. If you have everything under control and want us to shut up and stay put, then tell us. We simply need to know “what is going on”?
It is my understanding that Mr. Casavant is in Ecuador at this time, but that does not make it impossible for him to communicate with us. Hopefully this is premature on my part and we hear from Mr. Casavant or Mr. Maheu today regarding these developments and the strategy that the company has in place to challenge this decision of judge brenda. (Non capitalization intended. Sorry I am perturbed). In my opinion acceptable communication has to be established between the shareholders and the company before any more damage can be done. Shorty is shooting shareholder fish in a barrel and we have little to no defense against their allegations as it appears that the trust factor is gone by the wayside.
On the other hand I believe Mr. Frizzell has earned our respect and support and those that are still willing and able, I would suggest you get on board for Phase 2 now while we still have this opportunity to keep Mr. Frizzell going onward for us. I believe in his approach, plan, team, and his intent. I believe he has been an awesome asset, along with his team (Mr. Martin and others) and with him working alongside Mr. Casavant, Mr. Maheu, and Mr. Stoecklein we have an awesome opportunity to resolve the NSS position, expose the market manipulators/regulators, and get the company compliant over the next 90 days. JMHO of course.
Thanks for listening. If you disagree with me that is okay as well. We are all just shareholders and we all make our own assessments and decisions. I do believe success is at hand in spite of the initial decision of judge brenda. These are just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
Be well.
Dr.D
Posted by stockster5 on :
ED19... I feel for you and your rotten day. I HATE DETROIT. Used to live there and always treated like a piece of chit all the time.... can't say enough bad things about De****.......................................................
Posted by will on :
LOL, ed.
I have never seen anyone like this fool. He'll be dead, and somehow, someway, manage to pump this pos from the grave. It's just all so mind boggling. Like I said, he is either the biggest fool on earth, is getting paid to pump this crap, or just arguing for arguement's sake. Frankly, I don't think he's smart enough to be getting paid, he's doing it for some other mentally perverted reason.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Another dreamer who likes to hear himself talk.
Posted by ACKCANE on :
Does DrD smoke a lot of crack?
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: ED19... I feel for you and your rotten day. I HATE DETROIT. Used to live there and always treated like a piece of chit all the time.... can't say enough bad things about De****.......................................................
Detroit?? Who said anything about Detroit? I'm having a grand day. My business is pulling in about $8000 a month. I'll never be rich, but it's a comfortable living, combined with my retirement benefits from two previous careers. I just feel for these poor deluded fools who got taken by UC and still dont realize it.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by ACKCANE: Does DrD smoke a lot of crack?
Or at least smoking someone else's crack Keep walking that close behind Urban and the air is bound to get stale and have a negative effect on the thinking power.
This stock is a "scam" and we have been scammed.
Posted by will on :
Bet the Honorable Brenda P. Murray, would just love to read Dr. D's assessment of her ruling and fairness.
"To start with, we fully expected that Judge Murray would revoke without filings from the company and she did. I do fully disagree with her decision as I do not believe the SEC presented an effective case to prove the Form 15 was filed in error intentionally by the company. Since the SEC did not prove intentional misconduct, then the filings should have been governed by SEC regulation allowing them 60 days to comply before they were even 1 day late. After consideration of Judge Murray’s conduct prior to and during the hearing, as siding with the SEC, along with comments she made prematurely about the Appeal, I believe her initial decision, IMHO, was made before the hearing was ever over and before all of the evidence was in. You can make of that statement what you will, but I believe her ruling should be thrown out, she should be disqualified, and her conduct and intent investigated. I just hope she can sleep at night after waving the options that were before her and opting to revoke instead of suspension, extension, or settlement. Why? I won’t say. I hope she understands what she is putting these shareholders through by her “rush to judgment”. It is only my opinion, but I believe she knew what she was going to do going into the hearing and that was revoke."
I'm sure one of the foolish faithful will forward it to her, telling her that this is what the ultimate CMKX and legal authority, (Dr. D), thinks of her. Well, at least I hope they do.
Do I detect the smell of chit in the good Doctors blood. This couldn't be the beginning of a back pedal, could it? OH GOD! Not from the good Doctor.
"I fully respect Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu as I believe they are incredible individuals in their own right, but this silence over the last month is and has been BS to the 10th degree. It has been since October when Mr. Casavant asked us to stick with him “ONE MORE TIME”. Now, I am asking you to PLEASE communicate with us about what is going on without all of the “clues and innuendoes” before we lose any more of our shareholder base. I am aware of the mining industry and the competitiveness that goes on, but IMHO this has nothing to do with that. I believe if we stay in we win, but if we are going to keep the shareholders of this company then we are in need of more than that. We were told to keep looking for 8k’s for info that had some confusing info and then even that dried up. If Mr. Frizzell is your communication to us, then tell us your communication is going to come through him. If someone is trying to take the company over let us know and we will help. If we entered toxic financing and difficulties have been raised let us know and we will do what we can. If you have everything under control and want us to shut up and stay put, then tell us. We simply need to know “what is going on”?
It is my understanding that Mr. Casavant is in Ecuador at this time, but that does not make it impossible for him to communicate with us. Hopefully this is premature on my part and we hear from Mr. Casavant or Mr. Maheu today regarding these developments and the strategy that the company has in place to challenge this decision of judge brenda. (Non capitalization intended. Sorry I am perturbed). In my opinion acceptable communication has to be established between the shareholders and the company before any more damage can be done. Shorty is shooting shareholder fish in a barrel and we have little to no defense against their allegations as it appears that the trust factor is gone by the wayside."
Posted by Thorn on :
Just when is "Judgement Day" anyhow? Anyone have a definative date?
Posted by legaleagle on :
If the market makers can cover 2 billion shares a day on a 3 trillion share ns, it will only take them 1500 trading days to cover. About 5 years. Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: If the market makers can cover 2 billion shares a day on a 3 trillion share ns, it will only take them 1500 trading days to cover. About 5 years.
They can have my 22M, if they want them at .01 LOLOLOLOLOL
Posted by will on :
I have never seen any proof this pos is NSS'd. Just inuendo and inference from your fat mouth, noah. Show us the numbers not hearsay bullchit. Soon they won't have to cover anything except put the lid on the CMKX garbage can.
Posted by Doctoall on :
It is my understanding that Mr. Casavant is in Ecuador at this time, but that does not make it impossible for him to communicate with us
HUMMMMMM what did I say about Urban et al moving to SA Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by will: I have never seen any proof this pos is NSS'd. Just inuendo and inference from your fat mouth, noah. Show us the numbers not hearsay bullchit. Soon they won't have to cover anything except put the lid on the CMKX garbage can.
It looks like the garbage has left town Posted by ed19363 on :
To UC: Show us. Show us the numbers. Show us the plam. Show us how you care for us.
Or get the hell out of the country.
Posted by will on :
ed, I think Dr. D has asked UC to do the same thing. He just took alot more words to do it, the loquacious windbag.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
QUACK! QUAC............!
Ding Dong the SCAM is dead. The SCAM is dead. The wicked SCAM is dead!
Posted by Ric on :
And that is why there is no 3 trillion shares like you want everyone to believe. It worked the opposite way too.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: If the market makers can cover 2 billion shares a day on a 3 trillion share ns, it will only take them 1500 trading days to cover. About 5 years.
Posted by Ric on :
The blame game starts again. They refuse to see that they made a bad investment so its everyone else's fault. Thats right, a Judge will ruin her reputation to mess over this little insignificant little pink sheet stock. It can't be because she is right. And when people find out the truth, these self righteous gurus better watch out. Because there is already starting to be people out for blood. And these pumpers are just as much liable for this as UC himself.
Posted by justplayin on :
The OG would be better off spending the monies collected in a class action suit instead of trying to make UC come clean! JMHO
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wonder if anyone has suggested that to Frizz???
Posted by will on :
Well, he just might be setting the stage for that as his final phase, of course, with additional phases attached. LOL
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Wonder if anyone has suggested that to Frizz???
Posted by will on :
I think you see a subtle shift in the last rambling by Dr. D too. It's subtle, but there, he's just glancing at, not pointing at UC with his petition to communicate, something, anything to us, (us being the foolish faithful).
Posted by ed19363 on :
Fine by me, as long as he does it on a contingency basis. I'm a terrible cheapskate....LOL
Posted by justplayin on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Fine by me, as long as he does it on a contingency basis. I'm a terrible cheapskate....LOL
The cup of coffee your proceeds would yeild isn't enough for Fizzy, unless it is StarBucks coffee.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by justplayin:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Fine by me, as long as he does it on a contingency basis. I'm a terrible cheapskate....LOL
The cup of coffee your proceeds would yeild isn't enough for Fizzy, unless it is StarBucks coffee.
Tell ya what? If he gets me .01 for all my shares, I'll buy him all the Starbucks coffee he can drink.
Posted by justplayin on :
For each share of .01 for the whole bunch?? LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:you find a pitbull that latches on to your pouch.
Now that's gotta sting.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Just for the hallibut, I just entered a sell order for 20 million shares at .01 EACH!!!! Maybe those evil MMs will get that desperate to cover their butts before UC and Maheu drop the hammer on them.
Sometimes my humor just cracks me up.....LOL
Posted by stockster5 on :
OOOPs...I meant Bill.... sorry ed. I misread the nic. But I still hate Det****...(my own ****)
S5
Posted by Ric on :
ed ,--- Sometimes my humor just cracks me up.....LOL
Crack came to mind when I started reading it, lol. But really, how many koolaid drinkers still think they will get .01 or more. It really is sad to think they refuse to see the truth.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I'll tell you all what.... I never bought a share of cmkx, but I keep coming back here because I realized that I'm learning so much while being entertained as well. This has been a huge instructional live seminar on penny stocks. I have said it before, I am still genuinely sympathetic for the people who early on bought shares in cmkx who were only guilty of not doing their homework. I can’t bash those people because I’ve been there myself. The one’s who get no sympathy are the people who continue to pump for unknown reasons, mislead folks and perhaps outright lie. This includes UC’s lying PR’s. I reiterate what Ric and myself have said, that microcaps are the realm of day trading, which means, not holding long like a regular stock. I like to thank everybody for all the input that’s still going on.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Stockster, if you're really smart, you never will buy a penny stock. Over a long haul, you're better off buying 10 shares of a stock that will pay you cash dividends. You wont get rich overnight, but you will sleep better at night.
TMA, FULT, AHR, just to mention a few. Check em out.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Well, that's exactly what I intend to do just as soon as I sell my 2002 Kmart stock.
S5
Posted by bill1352 on :
i started a thread at pb32...no link anymore at this office so cant see what happened, probably no responce but i'd love to see the reasons behinmd this...well lets say the reasons cmkx will have to make up to file. 360 ppl got just under 1 billion shares...360, all on the same day. this is less then 1 yr after UC dumped these claims into cybermark. 360 ppl on 1 old drill rig??? 360 ppl to find the claim list? or is it 360 ppl that lived near UC & his old prison guard buddies.
the judge pointed out 29 companies that got 3 billion shares all on the same day and within a few days of the 360 ppl. what did 29 companies do to earn shares? 29!!!!! 5 or 6 maybe but not 29.
this as the smell of lining a bunch of ppl pockets & all with ties to UC & family. i want to see a list of the company names, bet UC & pals own every single 1 of them. yet not 1 person at pb32 ever batted an eye at those numbers, not the share total, he11 4 billion is chicken chit compared to 703 billion but the number of ppl that got free shares.
Posted by Ric on :
A topic from CT
"Subject: Okay has anyone here pannicked and sold out"
OK, since when is it panicking to sell a stock that just got revoked? These people are so silly (trying to be nice). It is like, if you sell then you committed treason. These people really need therapy.
Posted by Ric on :
Mines AtHome. Still have the shares in my account haunting me. They owned the website Excite and some other things before they went belly up. Stock was $96 a share in 1999. Oh well, win some lose some. I love pennies for the hype. Study the ones that can move (PRRM with 71 billion shares don't fit that rule) and look for bottom on the charts and the hype. Buy and sell quick. I never hold a penny anymore, no matter how much I like it.
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: Well, that's exactly what I intend to do just as soon as I sell my 2002 Kmart stock.
S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Yup Ric. That's what I'm learning all along. Troll for bottom feeders then sell if upped to 40%. You at least get your money back to play the next day. Actually, any positive percent should be sell elerts. Have to watch free ride warnings from your broker. They don't like day traders who don't have 25,000 in the account.
Posted by stockster5 on :
really, the worst thing has to be, holding kmart for so long, then watching Conaway run it into the ground. Then, since it's kmart, you think it's so big somebody will fix it, so you hold some more. Then another ceo crook comes in, files brankruptcy, makes all old stock worthless, then re-issues preferred stock at 5 cents to all his buddies and creditors, THEN opens it up to public at 5.00 pps and now it's over 90.00. It's truly criminal.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Oh, yea, then this kmart ceo walks in less than 8 months with a 100 million stock/pension package. Incredible
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i started a thread at pb32...no link anymore at this office so cant see what happened, probably no responce but i'd love to see the reasons behinmd this...well lets say the reasons cmkx will have to make up to file. 360 ppl got just under 1 billion shares...360, all on the same day. this is less then 1 yr after UC dumped these claims into cybermark. 360 ppl on 1 old drill rig??? 360 ppl to find the claim list? or is it 360 ppl that lived near UC & his old prison guard buddies.
the judge pointed out 29 companies that got 3 billion shares all on the same day and within a few days of the 360 ppl. what did 29 companies do to earn shares? 29!!!!! 5 or 6 maybe but not 29.
this as the smell of lining a bunch of ppl pockets & all with ties to UC & family. i want to see a list of the company names, bet UC & pals own every single 1 of them. yet not 1 person at pb32 ever batted an eye at those numbers, not the share total, he11 4 billion is chicken chit compared to 703 billion but the number of ppl that got free shares.
Bill, 72 Cree Nation Tribes, each having a chief and 4 assistant chiefs. Do the math. 72 x 5 = 360 Wonder why so many shares to the Cree Nations that hold so much land in Saskatchewan? You're right no need for 360 "day laborers" was there?
Posted by legaleagle on :
BTW bill. Your "post" is nearing the bottom of page 2 already, with no responses. I think they have learned to just ignore your rants there, too.
Posted by ed19363 on :
360 Injuns....so why was this not in a PR?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: A topic from CT
"Subject: Okay has anyone here pannicked and sold out"
OK, since when is it panicking to sell a stock that just got revoked? These people are so silly (trying to be nice). It is like, if you sell then you committed treason. These people really need therapy.
I guess half a report is better than none, Ric. Did you also note that none of them had sold out. Folks who do DD are still buying as much as they can. Sure you can call us all silly or some fiercer names used on this board. But the truth is, most of the negs on this board just can't shake that feeling that somethings just haven't been revealed yet, and you are all scared you are going to be left out. That's why the incessant senseless bashing, you know there's more there than meets the eye, and you feel that if you bash long enough and hard enough, that somehow, someway, maybe CMKX will just go away and justify your mistake of selling. Sorry, I know, and you know that this is a long way from over. Those who have done their DD and unearthed the quantity and quality of claims under the control of CMKX and it's JV's know that this isn't a scam. They know about the diamonds, the oil sands, the uranium, the gold claims. They know about the justice department and CIA involvement in CMKX for some time. They know that below the surface it is a sting to capture a whole bunch of "shorties". And they know that is why the plays have been in secret, and why this whole SEC thing is just part of the sting and the resulting settlement agreement.
I know that it is easy for all of you to make light of these shareholders who have gone a little farther and dug a little deeper. That is because of the vacuum of information coming from the company. And the vacuum of info is due to the "surrounding circumstances" mentioned above.
And before I leave this post, let me ask a serious question and see if any of you can come up with a serious response. Not the typical childish responses, but a well thought out one.
If this company is a scam and doesn't have the goods, why would Urban invite the Shareholders Group Attorney Bill Frizzell on a trip to Ecuador and Canada,in a few days, to show him the "lack" of anything good? That wouldn't be a real bright idea to show empty holes and miniscule diamond samplings to the guy who might be sueing you soon.
Posted by legaleagle on :
If the market makers can cover 2 billion shares a day on a 3 trillion share ns, it will only take them 1500 trading days to cover. About 5 years. Posted by Ric on :
Thats alright, I bumped it back to the first page.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: BTW bill. Your "post" is nearing the bottom of page 2 already, with no responses. I think they have learned to just ignore your rants there, too.
Posted by Ric on :
If there was that large of NSS in three years they would have had to sell 4 billion shares a day short above the normal trading and the massive dilution UC flooded to the market.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: If the market makers can cover 2 billion shares a day on a 3 trillion share ns, it will only take them 1500 trading days to cover. About 5 years.
Posted by Ric on :
Legal <--- They know about the diamonds, the oil sands, the uranium, the gold claims. They know about the justice department and CIA involvement in CMKX for some time.
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Prove it.
Posted by Ric on :
15 holes drilled and they found all that. Of course the 8-K claims different. You wouldn't be suggesting that UC lied on the 8-K would you. Well, he did lie on the form 15 so I guess you may be.
Posted by legaleagle on :
And the number of holes drilled by our JV's???
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Legal <--- They know about the diamonds, the oil sands, the uranium, the gold claims. They know about the justice department and CIA involvement in CMKX for some time.
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Prove it.
I did my DD, not gonna do yours. And BTW, you don't "prove" CIA involvement, you just see the results, sometimes. As for DOJ, some indictments have already been public. Many more coming.
Posted by Ric on :
I did the dd too. And its not true.
CMKX owner UC is going to prison tomorrow. Prove me wrong. Give me a link to where I am wrong with that statement. You can't like I can't give you one that its true. Same with your statement. Its a dream, made up by the cult with no facts to back it up. You can't prove it so you say, I'm not doing your dd. But if someone brings up something you don't want to here it's give me proof. Yet the cult can never back up any of there statements.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: I did they dd too. And its not true.
The simplicity of your response bespeaks the level of due diligence.
Posted by Ric on :
And your not telling the truth. Because there is no proof that CMKX has anything. And from the hearing and the accountants statement there is good proof that CMKX has nothing.
Posted by Ric on :
As I pointed out in the 14C, it clearly stated that no exploration was done on the property by the former owners. Another lie.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: And the number of holes drilled by our JV's???
Posted by will on :
Still fighting that double standard, Ric?
The best thing I read from this guy is that they're still buying. Hope they buy all they can. Hope they put a second on their house, and use that to buy this pos. Keep buying. BUY! BUY! BUY! Btw, noah, have you bought more since you told us how many shares you have? If not, you better hurry and get to the bank before this thing skyrockets and you miss the boat, pal.
Posted by Ric on :
From Feb 2003 14C
This report is prepared on behalf of Fort a la Corne Diamond Fields Inc., and is intended to document the status of kimberlite exploration activities in and around 5 properties which are located within the Fort à la Corne kimberlite field of central Saskatchewan. The 5 properties consist of 636 mineral claims with a total area of 247 708 ha (611 625 acres), which are currently wholly owned by others, as listed in Table 1. Table 1: Properties of interest Registered Owner Number of Claims Area (ha) Recording Date Buckshot Holdings Ltd. (50%) Commando Holdings Ltd. (50%) 318 78 177 March 2 and 9, 2001 101010307 Saskatchewan Ltd. 142 70 427 May 11, 2001 101012190 Saskatchewan Ltd. 106 81 568 August 16, 2001 101027101 Saskatchewan Ltd. 34 8 320 March 20, 2002 Morgain Minerals Inc. 36 9 216 March 20, 2002 No exploration work has been conducted on the 5 properties by the present owners. There are no known kimberlite occurrences within the 5 properties, but all are reasonably proximal to the 74 known kimberlite bodies of the Fort à la Corne kimberlite field. The geological setting and geophysical exploration characteristics of the Fort à la Corne area are discussed, providing a framework to assess the prospectivity of the properties for further kimberlite discoveries.
Posted by Ric on :
Agreed Will, by the way legal theres you DD on proving your last statement false. As I said, I did do my DD.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, what does the lack of holes drilled prior to 2003 have to do with the number of holes that have been drilled since, by us and our JV's? You may do DD, but you see, it has to be applicable to be diligent.
Posted by Ric on :
MAde up holes don't count though. And according to CMKX's 8-K only 15 holes have been drilled since. There is no other proof to support more.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you really think all this money would be spent on the defense of CMKX, or the prestigious people involved ( IBM , STOCKLEIN) in defending the CO, risking their name being pulled thru the mud or people like BILL & JOHN putting their business to the side to aid in the defense & protect our investment if this were a scam?? I hope that everyone holds on to what they have and joins the OG no matter how the judge rules.This was expected by most and not a surprise. In Bills update he refers to the criminals who would see us destroyed, why would he put himself at risk if he wasn't 100% sure of what we have and what we can and will eventually do if this were a scam?? He is a very smart man, too smart for that I think!Come on Guys & Gals , let the pros do their jobs and stop 2nd guessing them. Remember it's all in the pr's & (IF YOUR IN : YOU WIN)!!!!!! HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT DAY!!!!!!!! HSB625 PS:Remember what UC said about CERTS? GET THEM!!!!
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ric, what does the lack of holes drilled prior to 2003 have to do with the number of holes that have been drilled since, by us and our JV's? You may do DD, but you see, it has to be applicable to be diligent.
Sound like the evidence is clear that the only drilling that has been going on is the apparent holes in the heads of the faithful and yes especially you legal. I always thought that you were somewhat intelligent, but after seeing the crap that you buy into, it's apparent that there is not much going on in that head of yours.
Get a grip, this was and is a scam, scam, scam,UC is a con aritst and is going to get his, probably end up in jail,now prove me wrong Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: MAde up holes don't count though. And according to CMKX's 8-K only 15 holes have been drilled since. There is no other proof to support more.
Ric expect for the 14 holes in legal's head Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: MAde up holes don't count though. And according to CMKX's 8-K only 15 holes have been drilled since. There is no other proof to support more.
Ric expect for the 14 holes in legal's head and the other faithful Posted by ed19363 on :
Legal, to paraphrase a great game...
You dont know Jack.
All your posts combined prove only one thing....you are talking out of the wrong end of your body. I just hope that when they take UC down, you go along. I'll be watching and celebrating that day. You are the worst pumper of the bunch, and you still cant prove a damn thing. Your brain must be mush.
Now, if you care to answer this with a post or a PR that is not two years old, or maybe get your bedmate UC to put out a NEW PR, I just might believe a couple words you say. Until then you are nothing more than a parrot repeating words from other people's mouths from another board.
And all of that is BS, they cant PROVE anything either. So have a nice nite, hang in there for 21 days or so, and then blow your brains out when you find out how UC has taken you.
Of course, in keeping with the pure legality of the boards, THIS IS ALL IMHO.
And ROFL
Posted by legaleagle on :
Neil Levine testimony at hearing:
"Q. How did you first hear of CMKM Diamonds?
A. I think we heard of them around December of '04 when a -- we got a referral from a business -- a guy we did business with, and he said the company would be looking to hire an auditor. Q. Who was that person?
A. Mr. John Edwards."
Who is John Edwards?
First witness, Neil Levine, CPA. January 10th 2005 he was hired to audit and he has not gotten any papers to perform the audit. John Edwards, a friend of Levine was the one who got Neil and CMKX together. Neil said the company wanted to file the reports so they could go to a higher exchange.
And what does Edwards do? Owns CRWN, one of the largest shorters of CMKX.
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9. COMMITMENTS AND CONTINGENT LIABILITIES The Company has entered into arrangements with organizations, including clearing brokers, which provide for indemnification against losses, costs, claims and liabilities arising from the performance of their obligations under our agreement, except for gross negligence or bad faith. The Company believes the likelihood of a claim being made, the adverse outcome of which, individually or in the aggregate, that can be predicted with any reasonable certainty, could have a material adverse effect on the Company’s business, financial condition and operating results, is remote.
10. CAPITAL STOCK During the three months ended October 31, 2004, the Company issued in privately negotiated transactions 4,824,244 shares of Company common stock not registered under the Securities Act for net cash proceeds of $1,525,000. Shares totaling 4,748,486 were issued to unaffiliated accredited investors and shares totaling 75,758 were issued to an executive officer of the Company.
During the nine months ended October 31, 2004, the Company issued in privately negotiated transactions 7,031,632 shares of Company common stock not registered under the Securities Act for gross cash proceeds of $3,561,101. Placement fees totaling $35,180 were paid to two placement agents in connection with this share issuance. Shares totaling 6,302,086 were issued to unaffiliated accredited investors and shares totaling 729,546 were issued to executive officers, or family members of executive officers.
Financing Activities The cash inflow from financing activities in fiscal 2004 was due to a combination of seven common stock private placements totaling $4,995,725, two cash contributions to equity totaling $1,830,000, a sale of assets totaling $980,000 and option exercises totaling $448,698. The first private placement commenced in February 2003 and raised $340,000 through the issuance of 377,776 shares to employees. The second private placement commenced in March 2003 and raised $293,150 through the issuance of 205,000 shares to employees. The third private placement commenced in March 2003 and raised $2,419,050 through the issuance of 1,612,161 shares to employees, a director and a private investor. The fourth private placement commenced in October 2003 and raised $100,000 through the issuance of 28,986 shares to an employee. The fifth private placement commenced in November 2003 and raised $811,650 through the issuance of 348,347 shares to employees and directors. The sixth private placement commenced in November 2003 and raised $110,000 through the issuance of 50,000 shares and 5,000 warrants to a private investor. The seventh private placement commenced in December 2003 and raised $921,875 through the issuance of 526,786 shares to current and former employees, plus a private investor. The Company took possession of municipal bonds from J.S.A. Investments LLC that were subsequently liquidated into cash of $1,700,000 on October 17, 2003. In May 2003, the Company completed a transaction with Martin H. Meyerson, the Company’s former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, totaling $1,350,000, whereby he made a $130,000 cash contribution to equity, he purchased $980,000 of assets and he reimbursed the Company for $240,000 of expenditures related to certain regulatory matters.
In March and April 2005, Mr. Edwards through the Trust and MFCC made a series of purchases of CFGI Series A Convertible Preferred Stock (“Preferred Stock”) in a private placement. The purchase price of each share of the Preferred Stock was $148.00. Mr. Edwards is the sole beneficiary of the Trust and the sole stockholder of MFCC. The purchases of the Preferred Stock were financed directly or indirectly from the personal assets of Mr. Edwards.
What Percentage?
(25.7%) + (13.5%) + (12.2%) = 51.4% of the Preferred Shares
(13,516,000 Shares) x ($148.00 per shares) = $2,000,368,000.00
WOW!
JOHN EDWARDS is worth over $2 Billion Dollars?
Posted by Doctoall on :
LEGAL: Posting crap again, SCAM plain and simple
CMKX= SCAM
Legal you are lacking creditability with this CMKX Crap. Posted by ed19363 on :
Yeah, those numbers are correct. That's the amount we shareholders have been ripped off of. UC sure has a nice house, doesnt he??
Legal, you're still braindead, IMO
Posted by legaleagle on :
Now you see Ric, what Pedro did in that last post, is DD.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Now you see Ric, what Pedro did in that last post, is DD.
SCAM, just a plain and simple scam Posted by ed19363 on :
DD stands for Due Diligence, not Dumb Dogcrap.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ric, what does the lack of holes drilled prior to 2003 have to do with the number of holes that have been drilled since, by us and our JV's? You may do DD, but you see, it has to be applicable to be diligent.
So what you are saying, Ric, is that you have no idea how many holes were punched by our JVs. And therefore you have no idea how many holes have been dug, how many samples have been assayed, or what the value of CMKX and partners may total.
Posted by will on :
"They know about the justice department and CIA involvement in CMKX for some time. They know that below the surface it is a sting to capture a whole bunch of "shorties". And they know that is why the plays have been in secret, and why this whole SEC thing is just part of the sting and the resulting settlement agreement."
Still with this nonsense. LOL
Hey noah, you never showed me anyone predicting revocation was part of the "Master Plan" before the SEC filed charges and suspended trading. Why, no one did? You guys predict after the fact.
When will you give it up and admit defeat?
I think ed had a real good idea for you too, you should consider doing the right thing after all the people you have injured with your pumping of this pos.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Yeah, those numbers are correct. That's the amount we shareholders have been ripped off of. UC sure has a nice house, doesnt he??
Legal, you're still braindead, IMO
UC will soon reside in a bigger house, that is if they can extradite him from SA He will need cellmates but maybe his faithful can help him out with that problem Posted by ed19363 on :
Okay, legal, how many holes did our JVs drill? And where is the PR or proof that it was done?
Put up or shut up.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: LEGAL: Posting crap again, SCAM plain and simple
CMKX= SCAM
Legal you are lacking creditability with this CMKX Crap.
Once again your intelligent posts continue to prove my point about the brain capacity of the average neg on this board.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Legal, answer me you clown....WHERE IS YOUR PROOF ??????
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: LEGAL: Posting crap again, SCAM plain and simple
CMKX= SCAM
Legal you are lacking creditability with this CMKX Crap.
Once again your intelligent posts continue to prove my point about the brain capacity of the average neg on this board.
At least we have a brain capacity, that is more than I can say for you morons who continue to pump the crap out of this scam. At least we can see the writing on the wall,and it spells SCAM and while you see the writing on the wall you see "Push The Scam"
IMO you are right up there with Ebbers and Lay and the rest of the crooks in the market place. Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Legal, answer me you clown....WHERE IS YOUR PROOF ??????
The only proof he has is a big red nose, or should I say a big brown Urban nose Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Okay, legal, how many holes did our JVs drill? And where is the PR or proof that it was done?
Put up or shut up.
Like I told Ric, I'm not going to do your DD for you.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Notice he never answers straight questions unless he can bend somebody else's post?
You dont have any proof, do ya Legal?
That's because there ISNT ANY !!!! No holes were drilled....There are no diamonds....The shed is EMPTY !!!!!
Posted by will on :
"So what you are saying, Ric, is that you have no idea how many holes were punched by our JVs. And therefore you have no idea how many holes have been dug, how many samples have been assayed, or what the value of CMKX and partners may total."
....but you do have knowledge of what you accuse Ric of not knowing? Show us. ....show us proof of the NSS while your at too. ....show us proof of a sting operation with CIA involvement too. ....just show us anything, like Dr D was begging Urban to do. Please talk us Daddy Urban, we're lost little souls that are running out of theories and time. 8K us some vague inuendo so that we can make up a new fairytale to give to noah. noah, the only thing sort 3 trillion anything is your brain, short 3 trillion brain cell, you owe brain cells. Seriously noah, please consider doing the right thing.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Legal, you are so full of **** your eyes must be brown.
Posted by ed19363 on :
There is no DD proving any of this crap. It's a scam, as will be shown in 20 days when this POS is put to bed for all time.
No sense appealing, that will be turned down too.
It's DEAD !!!!!
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Okay, legal, how many holes did our JVs drill? And where is the PR or proof that it was done?
Put up or shut up.
Like I told Ric, I'm not going to do your DD for you.
Do the DD....Do the DD....Do the DD....hahahha
There is no DD on this....no drilling has taken place since they found two diamond chips....you cant look up what doesnt exist @!@@@@@@#####333
Posted by ed19363 on :
I'm off to watch TV, my dad always told me to never match wits with a defenseless person.
Nite all.
Posted by will on :
Did he not add fool to that too, ed?
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: I'm off to watch TV, my dad always told me to never match wits with a defenseless person.
Nite all.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, from hearing CMKX is 36 million in Debt. Sounds like a huge valuation. But the fact remains that you have no clue either and making up number won't make a difference. Scams trading shares between each other want make a difference. Diluting SGGM by 200 billion shares and still using there pps from there current share structure is false. Assuming that what someone else is doing or has done isn't DD either. That guys post is nothing but assumptions. Using numbers from one source and trying to fit the circle throught the square hole somewhere else. That is not DD. Its making up chit to make your pipe dreams sound reasonable. None of it is facts, like if UC actually bought and sold Jade and other gems twice with no records of where the cash went or the gems. The only facts we have for sure is that UC sold 703 billion shares and making everyone else guess where the money went.
Posted by ed19363 on :
We do have one SOLID fact....nobody can dispute it....CMKX is revoked.
Maybe just initially, but it IS REVOKED>
nite
Posted by will on :
Just to remind you noah:
From your own mouth, noah: "there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions." That's exactly what you do, and have been doing for over a year.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Interesting what you see when you turn over a rock.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Interesting what you see when you turn over a rock.
You looking in the mirror again Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Interesting what you see when you turn over a rock.
Interesting, Legal you need to drill (make holes) to find diamonds not just turn over rocks. Geez now we know why it's a scam, you guys just thought that you had to turn over rocks and there would be diamonds Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal: "If this company is a scam and doesn't have the goods, why would Urban invite the Shareholders Group Attorney Bill Frizzell on a trip to Ecuador and Canada,in a few days, to show him the "lack" of anything good? That wouldn't be a real bright idea to show empty holes and miniscule diamond samplings to the guy who might be sueing you soon." --------------------
Not a bright idea? Hell, only you faithful ever thought Urban was particularly bright! Had he been the least bit bright, he would not have had to take the 5th among a long list of other really stupid things he has either done or not done.
The guy who might be suing him soon? Keep slapping yourself legal! Wasn't it one of the conditions of Phase 2 (for which you sent another wasted $25) that the CMKX or it's principals not be defendants in a class action suit?
The latter is really where you fools should have concentrated in the first place and still should do so. Most of you faithful show no more intelligence than does Urban Casavant. You all belong in his camp eating his "grub"! And, "grubs" are about the only thing you fools are going to get out of those claims. Fact is, though, Urban is using them as bait and you faithful cult members are the "suckers" and the "shills"!
Posted by will on :
"shill" Excellent word, Wallace.
1. pretended customer or gambler: an accomplice who pretends to be an interested customer or gambler in order to lure others into buying or gambling
2. self-interested promoter: somebody who promotes somebody else or makes a sales pitch for something for reasons of self-interest
Posted by bill1352 on :
jimmythree Diamondologist
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Joined: Dec 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 447 Location: Tennessee Re: Details Coming « Reply #4 on Today at 4:10pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I ain't afeared. But sorta worried.
In 2000 I had $126,000 in my 401K, if CMKX fails I am down to $1000. Many people have lost a lot, but I must be one of the worse. I have lost so much that I may now change my name to:
Jimytwo
Posted by will on :
try Jimyzero ! LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
well i see a lot of frustration has been dumped today. was it 703 billion bits of frustration worth? or will the dumping continue???...lol Legal, i live about 1 1/2 miles from an indian reservation. on that reservation is 1 tribe, 1 chief, 1 tribal council with about 10 members. in fact in my state there are a large number of reservations all have 1 tribe. the reservation by the claims more then likely also has 1 tribe. differant tribes do not live together. show me proof there are 72 tribes on 1 reservation. fact is the claim closest to the reservation just made a deal with the cree nation there & it wasn't cmkx. look at the pb32 for the pr. it was posted within the last few days & it did include going on indian land. now in a prison i'd say with guards & employees 360 sounds about right. UC wanting to be the big man also sounds about right. also 29 companies remember, make something up for that too ok?
Posted by will on :
$126,000 if CMKX fails I am down to $1000.
There was another claimed to $100,000 "invested", and the other goof whose wife grabbed the mic took it in the shorts for $45,000. Between these three nit-wits there's $270,000. What the heck, jimmy zero, I'd be a little concerend myself. Better plan on working another 25 yrs to rebuild that 401K. Oh, you're in your 50's now, too bad, you'll be dead before you recover your 401K.
OH! I forgot, buy more jimmyboy
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...i just found out where you got that 72 tribe chit...ACCA????? this jackazz is saying, today mind you, that by the 18th anyone with 5 to 10 million shares or more will be rich by the 18th...lol. ya think you can come up with a less creditable opinion there legal???
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, will!
Just for a bit of humor, wonder if you remember the following.....you damn turncoat:
One of will's posts back in Aug., 2004:
Anyone ever see this? I'm sure some of the people here have. CLSI was a hot pick of Purl Girls a long time ago, so I am sure some of you have read it. It did well since she featured it. OOPS! Forgot to give the link:
[This message has been edited by will (edited August 09, 2004).]
My tolerant response:
Will, I am and have been aware of that lawsuit. If you are suggesting I am a basher, I suggest you need a new mental attitude. In addition, there is not one item involved in that complaint with which I need to concern myself. Please take your concerns elsewhere. Thank you.
will's retort: Well, I wouldn't be so sure of that. Personally I don't care if you bash or pump, it is up to you. I read most posts, take what I want, leave what I don't want. The one thing I did find consistent between you and the case is that bashing CMKX seems like a hobby to you. Maybe one of your friends here will let Melvin know about your activity and this case, and attempt to cause you some discomfort.
My not so tolerant response (edidted): You can STUFF IT along with your fellow CMKX CULT pumpers! --------------------
LMAO, will! How times do change, huh? Much to my credit, at least I was able to enlighten you! Now you claim to be my friend????? Consider yourself lucky I didn't have a member of my wife's family visit you and shove one of those fork lifts right up your you know where.
Posted by will on :
bill, is that the same Accadickhead mentioned below:
quote:Originally posted by will: That is worth copying and pasting, Ric:
Did you lose a significant amount of money in your CMKX "investment"?
Are you really pissed off that you fell for the CMKX hype?
Do you think Urban Casavant's conduct during this promotion rises to the level of criminal behavior?
Do you want to nail his fat ass, along with his co-conspirators?
Do you want Dr. Diamonds, Green Baron, Willy Wizard, Sterling, Judy Cline, Accadacca, Carquest, Topogigo, and Jay Adobe to have their day in court?
Are you disgusted with the assclown circus being staged by Frizzell and Martin, and the total lack of results and financial accountability of their efforts?
We are, and we want to do something about it. We want to sue the b*stards.
No, this is not some lame call for a class action suit, where an attorney is the only one to gain. This is an attempt to organize a group of shareholders with significant losses, hire an attorney, and go after the circle of scam companies, their CEO's personal assets, and individuals who we believe are the paid promoters of this pump and dump.
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Posted by bill1352 on :
Legal, here is you main info train posting & what PB32 thinks of him. in fact the entire thread feels the same way about this jackazz
Topic: LOL..Acca says we will be rich on the 18th! (Read 169 times) AquaSpin God of Diamonds
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Joined: Sept 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,238 Location: Vancouver, WA LOL..Acca says we will be rich on the 18th! « Thread Started on Today at 9:10pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone else listening to Willy's paltalk room? Acca was saying that anyone with 5-10 million shares of CMKX will be very happy on the 18th, says that very big news will be coming out that day.
What is wrong with this guy? I could never lie as much as that guy does. Its like he believes his own lies!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal...i just found out where you got that 72 tribe chit...ACCA????? this jackazz is saying, today mind you, that by the 18th anyone with 5 to 10 million shares or more will be rich by the 18th...lol. ya think you can come up with a less creditable opinion there legal???
Bill,
Notice legal did not post a site or proof? Just posted redundant BS!
Posted by bill1352 on :
yep...thats him Will
Posted by bill1352 on :
i knew there would be no proof Wallace but i didn't know where he got that chit. finding out it was this ACCA jackazz seriously puts in question legal's current mental health. the above thread has a few ppl posting the desire to take ACCA out to the woodshed & not bring him back...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"finding out it was this ACCA jackazz seriously puts in question legal's current mental health."
I know you didn't just recently find that out to be a fact!
Posted by will on :
Well, my good friend, Wallace, I humbly apologize for my exuberant ignorance. However, I am proud to say I am flexible and intelligent enough to recognze, correct, errors in judgement, and hopefully avoid making like errors again. When the preponderance of evidence leads you to revaluate your opinions and beliefs, you have little choice but to change your opinions and beliefs in light of these facts. Unless of course, you're a horse's ass like our good friend, noah. Please don't send the bone crackers out. I like the way my nose looks now.
Hey Wallace, can I get away with saying I was sun crazed?
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Hey, will!
Just for a bit of humor, wonder if you remember the following.....you damn turncoat:
One of will's posts back in Aug., 2004:
Anyone ever see this? I'm sure some of the people here have. CLSI was a hot pick of Purl Girls a long time ago, so I am sure some of you have read it. It did well since she featured it. OOPS! Forgot to give the link:
[This message has been edited by will (edited August 09, 2004).]
My tolerant response:
Will, I am and have been aware of that lawsuit. If you are suggesting I am a basher, I suggest you need a new mental attitude. In addition, there is not one item involved in that complaint with which I need to concern myself. Please take your concerns elsewhere. Thank you.
will's retort: Well, I wouldn't be so sure of that. Personally I don't care if you bash or pump, it is up to you. I read most posts, take what I want, leave what I don't want. The one thing I did find consistent between you and the case is that bashing CMKX seems like a hobby to you. Maybe one of your friends here will let Melvin know about your activity and this case, and attempt to cause you some discomfort.
My not so tolerant response (edidted): You can STUFF IT along with your fellow CMKX CULT pumpers! --------------------
LMAO, will! How times do change, huh? Much to my credit, at least I was able to enlighten you! Now you claim to be my friend????? Consider yourself lucky I didn't have a member of my wife's family visit you and shove one of those fork lifts right up your you know where.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
Just thought a few of us might enjoy seeing how nicely you have changed! Would you like to see some of Upside's old posts to me? I think he's another friend of mine too.
PS: By the way, I do consider you a very good friend.
Posted by Ric on :
Acca. roflmao
This is the guy that said Citi Group was buying us out. It had the rumor going so bad the Citi actually had to put out a PR saying that it wasn't true that they had nothing to do with CMKX. Acca then said that the PR was fake and he personally called Citi had forced them to take it off, if they didn't he would personally have people fired from there. The PR is still on Citi's website, lol. He also screamed there was no NSS up till this point. It was a buyout. Once all his buyout theories failed, he finally jumped on the NSS bandwagon were now it would be 54 cent settlement with all the shorters by Friday, Friday comes, no sorry Monday, Monday comes, sorry its delayed one of the hedge hogs is holding out on price but UC won't budge. Theres a settlement by the end of the week for sure, and so on and so on.
This guy thrives on attention. He is a nut case. Even the stupid koolaid drinkers of RB have written him off as a nut case.
Posted by bill1352 on :
current cmkx bid/ask is .00001/.00003
Posted by will on :
Well, my good friend UpMan might not be so generous and apologize to you. You might stirr the pot and rile him again. He's suffering a little depression I think, he's disenchanted with the unbelievable position the faithful have taken and posted here. Maybe he could use a wake up call to get him fired up and interested again. DO IT ! LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
i was just told to read 50K posts about the cree nation...i think i'll pass...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
We really could have made some $$$$s by shorting this CMKX sucker, huh?
Posted by bill1352 on :
well i'm off to relax & sleep soon. another fun day over. at least no FBI & bomb squads today...lol things are looking up...lol
Posted by will on :
.00001 / .00003 Hey noah, buy more, please. Show us you're not afraid, prove you love UC, buy more, pal.
Posted by Ric on :
Hey, were else can you sell your 1 million shares for 10 bucks.
So Willy Wonkas 900 million shares are now worth 9,000 dollars. I guess he can retire from being a car salesman now. lol
He should have cashed in his free pumpers shares when he had the chance. Hopefully he buys another billion shares from his commission from ripping off people at the car lot.
Posted by will on :
Come to think of it, I haven't seen any repost of naoh's from Sterling. Is Sterling still alive and pumping?
Posted by Ric on :
Legal, you can get a second mortgage on your house and for only $30,000 you can buy 1 billion shares of CMKX. Better rush out tomorrow and start the paperwork.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace #1:
quote:Would you like to see some of Upside's old posts to me? I think he's another friend of mine too.
He is.
Posted by Ric on :
Over on pb32 they are taking a poll on how much people have invested in CMKX and one says 200,000 dollar. What a moron. In a non reporting pinksheet. I don't care how much you believe, if you put 200 thousand in a pink you deserve what you get.
Posted by will on :
Well, Ric, they all will be claiming fantastic amounts now in their effort to be the biggest loser and gain the most sympathey. I don't believe anything they have said in the past year, and certainly don't believe their lying asses now when they tell everyone how much they have invested. Whatever the amount though, I'm happy for them.
Posted by Ric on :
Your right there Will. I really have seen today how drawn in they are. You know, I have used the word cult in the past mainly in jest. But seeing this revocation and the response to it, it really is a cult. These people would make Jim Jones proud.
They seem to be blocking out facts brought out in the hearing. I don't know if they think people lied in court or they just think it was an conspiracy but its scary either way. They have made up theories for so long they actually think its real.
And if you question them then its we did the DD, look it up yourselves. They refuse to even see there own lies for what they are. For this, I hope the pumpers of this that conned and brainwashed the masses get what is coming to them. Preferably real soon.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Wallace #1:
quote:Would you like to see some of Upside's old posts to me? I think he's another friend of mine too.
He is.
I know that!! Tried to go back a find a few, but too much trouble. Would rather get will torqued up anyway.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal...i just found out where you got that 72 tribe chit...ACCA????? this jackazz is saying, today mind you, that by the 18th anyone with 5 to 10 million shares or more will be rich by the 18th...lol. ya think you can come up with a less creditable opinion there legal???
Actually bill, I got my information from the first nations website: http://www.sicc.sk.ca/bands/ If you would care to check the number of tribes (Oh wait you guys don't do that, you just assume)simply open each of the councils links and count.
Acca got his information from Jay_Adobe posts over at RB about a week ago.
And I don't believe anything Acca says but I always check his posts and here is why.
Acca's real name is Roger J Stelma from Grand Rapids MI. He has one brother there who is a judge, one who is the sheriff, but he also has a little brother Kyle Stelma.
Kyle is a graduate of West Point and currently serves on the board of directors of the WP "GradPac", the political action arm of those graduates, and a very powerful group as you can imagine.
Kyle served some time with CitiBank (a company that plays into most of his rumors) and is curretntly with Booz Allen Hamilton, a consultant not only to Citi, but also to the government. So, yes, he could know more about CMKX than many, but personally I will wait and see if he does. (Oh, BTW, guys, that's another example of DD.)
Posted by Ric on :
Poll Poll Question: How much money have you invested in CMKX ($US) $1-$4,999 (20 votes, 40.8%) $5,000-$9,999 (4 votes, 8.1%) $10,000-$14,999 (5 votes, 10.2%) $15,000-$19,999 (5 votes, 10.2%) $20,000-$29,999 (6 votes, 12.2%) $30,000-$39,999 (2 votes, 4%) $40,000-$49,999 (3 votes, 6.1%) $50,000-$74,999 (1 vote, 2%) $75,000-$99,999 (1 vote, 2%) $100,000-$199,999 (1 vote, 2%) $200,000+ (1 vote, 2%) Total Votes: 49
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Reminds me so much of the Salem Witch Hunts. Convinced themselves in the name of God or religion and burned innocent people alive. Problem is, they were the ones who were 100% wrong. They were the liars. They were the fools. They were the perpetrators. Just kept dunking them (innocents) until they confessed or drowned too.
Basically the same with CMKX. In this case, it's not a witch hunt, but a "stock hunt". And, as before, innocents have been hurt.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Your right there Will. I really have seen today how drawn in they are. You know, I have used the word cult in the past mainly in jest. But seeing this revocation and the response to it, it really is a cult. These people would make Jim Jones proud.
They seem to be blocking out facts brought out in the hearing. I don't know if they think people lied in court or they just think it was an conspiracy but its scary either way. They have made up theories for so long they actually think its real.
And if you question them then its we did the DD, look it up yourselves. They refuse to even see there own lies for what they are. For this, I hope the pumpers of this that conned and brainwashed the masses get what is coming to them. Preferably real soon.
Ric if you think that my posting is out of line, I will challenge you right now to file a complaint with the SEC on me. You know my name, and approximately where I live. I will be happy to provide you (by private message) with my phone number to give them.
So you and your "buds" decide if you want the SEC probing around this board. The challenge is there so as someone stated earlier, "Put up or shut up."
Posted by will on :
Do the right thing, noah. You owe it to all the people you lied to and mislead. Because of you, and people like you these people are facing ruination. You might not have much in your filthy little life, but some of these people you helped fleece had a substantial amount saved from their hard work, and you led them to believe that heir money was safe. I know you're not man enough to aopolgize for causing their hardship.
Posted by Ric on :
And guess what Legal not only does Acca (Roger) live in Grand Rapids here is his complete address. Thats called DD. I know the facts because I do my research.
ROGER J STELMA born Mar 1965 and living at xxxx WILLOW DR NE GRAND RAPIDS MI
(616) 887-xxxx
I thought I should xxxx out the complete parts.
LOL..Acca says we will be rich on the 18th! « Thread Started on Today at 9:10pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone else listening to Willy's paltalk room? Acca was saying that anyone with 5-10 million shares of CMKX will be very happy on the 18th, says that very big news will be coming out that day.
What is wrong with this guy? I could never lie as much as that guy does. Its like he believes his own lies!
[ July 13, 2005, 22:57: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Ric on :
I think your one of the brainwashed Legal. I have never included you in the serious pumpers or paid pumpers. But I do believe you need some help and hope you get it. I really wish you would see the light and get out with some of your money. I know you won't but it is a wish. I like debating you myself. Hey, I even said hi to you on your site and didn't even post one negative post.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Ric if you think that my posting is out of line, I will challenge you right now to file a complaint with the SEC on me. You know my name, and approximately where I live. I will be happy to provide you (by private message) with my phone number to give them." --------------------
legal,
The time is not exactly right for that action. It just might be worthwhile pursuing some time in the future though.
Remember, that site that "will" posted about basher suits. Well, I am sure it also created a precedent for lawsuits against avid, misleading pumpers as well. SEC, or otherwise, it is certainly a possibility. Therefore, you would be most wise to consider the content and nature of your posts by showing a more objective position. Just as much, if not more, damage can be done by pumpers as can be perpetrated by bashers. Pumpers go after the innocent.
PS: legal, that time IS getting very close for UC and cohorts. They are in the first line-up.
Posted by will on :
Well, noah, I don't like you, and won't pretend I do. I have never thought you to be a paid pumper either. Just a second echelon soldier doing the bidding of your worshiped gurus. In my book that makes you worse than them because you're a deseased carrier of lies and inuendo. Without you to spread the rummors, theories, and nonsense these gurus would have dried up and gone away long ago. Your linkage with Christianity is another thing I dislike about you. God, never bought CMKX or any other stock, it's not ordained or blessed. There is no linkage between the two, yet you prey on other Christian and mislead them with promises of wealth to do some good works. You're just the most foolish person I have ever seen, and I do pray that you get your just deserts. I know I can't meet out your justice, but hopefully the CMKX sheriff will visit your account, and perhaps some pissed off crazed person will blame you personally for sucking them into this abyss, and hopefully dispense some of his justice on your ass. At this juncture I would be very careful who I gave my name, address, and phone number to , if I were you.
Posted by Ric on :
Wallace <---- Pumpers go after the innocent.
That is what I have been trying to say for a long time. If a basher bashes a good stock what really happens to it. A short term drop in pps maybe. If its a good stock though it will come back.
But a pumper that pumps a bad stock gets the innocent involved and they lose real money. They are the low lives on the message boards. Trying to pump up a stock so they can get out with a profit while getting others to hold the bag. Thats why the SEC argued and case law backed it up that by revoking a stock it protects future shareholders. Present shareholders are already harmed and the only way they can get out is harming others.
Pumpers of a bad stock are the worse of the worst.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric if the SEC didn't want new shareholders to keep buying this stock why didn't they go along with the company offer to halt the stock? I'll give you the answer ahead of time. They need to give their buddies time to cover the NS.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ric if the SEC didn't want new shareholders to keep buying this stock why didn't they go along with the company offer to halt the stock? I'll give you the answer ahead of time. They need to give their buddies time to cover the NS.
No, legal!!! You of all people should understand the meaning of "due process"! That is why it is not yet halted.
Posted by will on :
Is CMKX the only stock that was allowed to keep trading during the 21 day appeal period, or does it apply to ALL stocks that find themselves in this situation. Ooops, probably is the accepted and customary practice of this process, but I forgot CMKX is above accepted and customary practices. Has nothing to do with: " They need to give their buddies time to cover the NS."
"You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions."
Posted by Ric on :
Speaking of pumpers in a bad stock. ICAN is getting ridiculous. They diluted 6 billion shares during the last run and after the free fall in pps from the pump and dump the company did a buyback, roflmao, of 600 million share after it tanked. And now they want a pat on the back for doing the buyback. Now they announced another 500 million shares, wonder how many shares they will have to dilute to buy those back.
What is bad about this is people think this is a good thing and the stock is going to run again. Even after the lies on the spin-off to a otcbb. Man this company is playing the standard P&D playbook and the sheep are following as they should. I guess you need these suckers to make money in the market.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ric if the SEC didn't want new shareholders to keep buying this stock why didn't they go along with the company offer to halt the stock? I'll give you the answer ahead of time. They need to give their buddies time to cover the NS.
No, legal!!! You of all people should understand the meaning of "due process"! That is why it is not yet halted.
Wallace I think you need to read my post again. The company made an offer to halt the stock while they finished the audit. The SEC apparently prefers to let it go on selling. Has nothing to do with "due process".
Posted by Ric on :
I seen the other day that someone put ricpick in his place on his new pick, can't remember which it was, it started with I but not ICAN. He asked him if he got paid to pump these scams or was he just that bad of a stock picker that he always gets involved with them. He didn't respond to him. It was real funny though. But like PRRM, ICAN was ricpick's newest P&D. He still trying to keep people in it with hope. Even though most bagholders have lost there buttz in it.
Posted by Ric on :
Legal, it was because the SEC is feed up with CMKX and the scam they ran. They want them revoked. They aren't interested in a deal now unless they want to drop any appeal and accept the revocation. But the 21 days is procedure and they can't change that. I am sure they wish they could with this one.
Posted by will on :
...but Ric, it's CMKX the super penny, new law has to be written for them. Don't you know CMKX is not a normal company? It has privileges, exceptions, and powers never given to any company in the history of capitalism.
Posted by Ric on :
I didn't use pseudonyms when I posted over there and I don't think anyone here would care to let everyone know its them. I use rics1997 on every board including this one until the name got messed up. But like a lot of people, I read several boards. I do detailed research and know my facts before i post. Of course everyone ignored me over there. They hate having a opposite point of view. My way or the highway.
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Just thought I would let everyone know that the bashers from Allstocks are paying us regular visits here under other pseudonyms. Be ready to hear from them. They are a particularly hateful breed over there. Here is one of their posts from tonight. Thought I'd share with you all.
"Well, noah, I don't like you, and won't pretend I do. I have never thought you to be a paid pumper either. Just a second echelon soldier doing the bidding of your worshiped gurus. In my book that makes you worse than them because you're a deseased carrier of lies and inuendo. Without you to spread the rummors, theories, and nonsense these gurus would have dried up and gone away long ago. Your linkage with Christianity is another thing I dislike about you. God, never bought CMKX or any other stock, it's not ordained or blessed. There is no linkage between the two, yet you prey on other Christian and mislead them with promises of wealth to do some good works. You're just the most foolish person I have ever seen, and I do pray that you get your just deserts. I know I can't meet out your justice, but hopefully the CMKX sheriff will visit your account, and perhaps some pissed off crazed person will blame you personally for sucking them into this abyss, and hopefully dispense some of his justice on your ass. At this juncture I would be very careful who I gave my name, address, and phone number to , if I were you. "
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Do the right thing, noah. You owe it to all the people you lied to and mislead. Because of you, and people like you these people are facing ruination. You might not have much in your filthy little life, but some of these people you helped fleece had a substantial amount saved from their hard work, and you led them to believe that heir money was safe. I know you're not man enough to aopolgize for causing their hardship.
Maybe Legal should follow the posting name of Debbi (What Would J Do Through Me). I am sure that J would not con people and scam them of their hard earned money. It is obvious that the guilt has not set in yet, if it were me I could not sleep at night knowing that I helped to scam people.
Legal it's not all about reporting you to the SEC, it's about asking you to be a decent human being and confess that you were wrong in leading these people to the blunder of CMKX.
I just feel that somewhere inside you, there is a concern that your wronged many with your pumping on this thread. I know that you are feeling guilty and cannot feel peace within yourself, the one thing that will help you is to tell these people that you were wrong and sorry that you have hurt them by leading them to buy CMKX.
It takes a big man to admit that he was wrong and I know that somewhere within you there is the knowledge that you mislead people, you will feel better after you make that public.
Now we can't make you do anything but you know that you have to do what is right Legal. Posted by legaleagle on :
Have you considered the financial damage you may have done to people you "bashed" out of this stock. People who really needed the financial blessings that CMKX may provide them.
The point is that no one "knows" what the final story is on this stock. But we will. That will be time enough for apologies.
Posted by will on :
noah, noah , noah, believe me, I have never visited your CT board, nor do I ever intend to do so. I have been to one other board since I met allstocks, and that is dan-ces with bulls, if I go there once ever three months that's a lot. So, go back and tell your fellow Christions that I won''t be visiting there with my particularly hateful self. They are safe. I liked your choice of words too, "particularly hateful", you might have added "insensitively honest" though. The Anti-Christ is perfectly happy to stay right here at allstocks, and not bother you Christians. However, if they would like to come visit me I would be more than happy to dispense what they would see as venom, hate, evil, but what everone else recognizes as insensitive honesty. Bring 'em back, invite them home. I'm not prejudice, I dislike all of you.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Have you considered the financial damage you may have done to people you "bashed" out of this stock. People who really needed the financial blessings that CMKX may provide them.
The point is that no one "knows" what the final story is on this stock. But we will. That will be time enough for apologies.
You are sicker than I thought
I have still have useless pieces of paper from CMKX. You see when I first started to invest I knew nothing about DD I just had blind faith in people like you (Noah aka Legal) and WWJDTM and yes I bought on your hype.
You Sir are low life and one thing for sure is that will never change, you are a bottom feeder and a dolphin you will never be, you feed on the newbies and breathe the air that Urban blows from the seat of his pants. Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Wallace I think you need to read my post again. The company made an offer to halt the stock while they finished the audit. The SEC apparently prefers to let it go on selling. Has nothing to do with "due process"." --------------------
Look it from a different point of view, legal. That was just a ruse to have the SEC bite on "finishing the audit". The judge has ruled and that ruling will become final....for both the SEC and for CMKX. It has to do with "due process" because that is what the Act apparently provides for when a company is revoked. It allows for the appeal process.
Even you have said you thought CMKX would be revoked. I would think that you at least thought that because of the facts at hand which proved CMKX violated SEC requirements. There were no other reasons to revoke. Those reasons were well brought out and documented by testimony.
Revocation is not a part of some ridiculous "Master Plan"! That is serious business and any company that gets revoked on the basis that CMKX did, should be punished beyond the revocation.
Legal, people have been seriously hurt!! Do you remember "tradingpenny"? She bought based upon the hype and even got her mother to buy. Both have lost money and savings because of that company and UC's actions/inactions. They are not the only ones.
Surely, you can see the many wrongs perpetrated on the public by UC et al. They are so basic it is unbelievable. How you or anyone begin to defend their actions is beyond comprehension. Show some real wisdom and go after the true source for what has happened to CMKX. Go after UC and cohorts.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Have you considered the financial damage you may have done to people you "bashed" out of this stock. People who really needed the financial blessings that CMKX may provide them.
The point is that no one "knows" what the final story is on this stock. But we will. That will be time enough for apologies.
Since when has financial blessings come from the loss of their money, you are beginning to sound like Jimmy Jones, and look what they lost or would you consider that financial blessings. Posted by Ric on :
But will you apologize though legal??????
Because, as I said, I know this is a scam. If I wasn't 100% sure then I wouldn't say anything. But if the moon would bleed and the sun turn into water and I was wrong, I would surely apologize. But no worries here.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
noah (aka legal),
That was a shameful thing you did by posting will's comments on that forum. You couldn't just stop with the posting but had to mislead others into thinking will had been posting there under a different name as well.
Legal, I have neither seen nor met you. I picture you as a big, fat, dumb frog sitting on a lily pad, paddling your way around a smelly old swamp and croaking your fool head off that your's is the best damn lily pad in the whole swamp. It really is not. It's just that you cannot lift the fat up enough to get to a more appropriate lily pad.
I truly feel sorry for your soul.
Posted by will on :
Save your breath, guys. You can't appeal to this guy's sense of decency, he has none. He will not relent, he will not mitigate his position, and certainly he will not admit wrongfully hurting others, and definately he will never apologize. He beleives in a God, and I'm sure somewhere in the Bible there is a perscribe punishment for arrogance. Probably eternal damnation like most transgressions. One can only hope.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good night, all.
Posted by will on :
Wallace, I have seen a photo of him when he was attending the SEC DC rally. Your mental picture of him is very close to what I saw in the photo. Replace the lilly pad with an elctric scooter, and you had him pictured perfectly.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: noah (aka legal),
That was a shameful thing you did by posting will's comments on that forum. You couldn't just stop with the posting but had to mislead others into thinking will had been posting there under a different name as well.
Legal, I have neither seen nor met you. I picture you as a big, fat, dumb frog sitting on a lily pad, paddling your way around a smelly old swamp and croaking your fool head off that your's is the best damn lily pad in the whole swamp. It really is not. It's just that you cannot lift the fat up enough to get to a more appropriate lily pad.
I truly feel sorry for your soul.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will,
Very interesting! The lily pad reference was really meant as an analogy to CMKX. Good night.
Posted by Ric on :
Posts: 832 Registered: 10/12/2004 Member Is Offline
posted on 7/13/2005 at 04:11 PM
I bought more today
Guess you can tell I am not a person to get into a game of 'chicken' with. Etrade sold some shares at .00003 and .00004 and I thought I have to buy at that price if they are selling there. So I sold one of the dogs in my portfolio and put in a limit order at .0001 and got filled for .00005. A minute later they raised it to .00006. Another poster at paltalk said .00002 to sell and .00008 to buy.
I plan to ask for certs when this trade settles.
Listening to Shells in Paltalk he said today was a great day for MM's to cover. They are no doubt shaking out shares.
Still expecting good things. IMOO-Debi
Posted by will on :
BUY! BUY! BUY!
...and on that note, I will take my particularly hateful self off to bed, good night.
Posted by Ric on :
You know though, I have been nice over on that board yet they come over to this board and rate all of us with ones over and over. Good Christian attitude. They get quite mean when you disagree with them. And the Christian attitude when someone says hi, is to say hi back but not them. They can't be nice unless you buy cmkx and believe in it. I had a 5 rating before then. Not that its a big deal just stating there attitude.
I get probably 10-15 PM's and emails a day for me to help with research on stocks. I freely give out places for newbies to look up there own research on pink sheets and OTCBB's. I study TA and can read a chart pretty well. Thats what I do best. I have done my DD on this stock. I bet that I know more then the majority of the cult.
I have a serious problem with scams and pumpers. I think that pumpers scam innocent victims into these scams. People that shouldn't be in the market at least making self choices in the market. Because they can't understand the TA and FA and where to get it.
The sad thing about this stock is that certain gurus have made up theories and pass off rumors that these people take as fact and then call it dd. It is wrong and most of these passing off these rumors should be prosecuted or at least made to pay restitution for there crimes.
Posted by Ric on :
I consider myself a religous person. I do not claim to be perfect in anyway but also I know that using god isn't a good thing. I don't think this is right.
Posts: 230 Registered: 12/26/2004 Member Is Offline
posted on 7/7/2005 at 07:30 PM
another prophecy regarding stock market/this summer
Kim Clement Prophesies Regarding Investments at Covenant Church, Dallas, TX" May 22, 2005
"For the Spirit of God says, do you realize that there is a marked moment in time in the summer where there will be a divine transference of masses of amounts of money? Keep your eye on the gold. Keep your eye on that one substance. Also keep your eyes open for you shall see things changing with petroleum. You shall see things changing with something new that shall come forth. Invest into it, says the Spirit of the Lord. You'd better listen some of you investors. This is not petroleum. This is not oil. This is something else that is safer and God wants to share a secret tonight. Go and study it. I don't have the words. The Spirit of the Lord has hidden it from me. But He tells me there's something other than petroleum or gas or whatever you call it, oil -- that's coming forth that's gonna be used. Invest in it, for it will bring some of you millions of dollars within a 14 month period, says the Lord. It begins with an "e." That's all I've got. Now if anybody wants to become very rich, get ready because the stock market's gonna open up. NASDAQ is opening up. There are things opening up in the public places that God says I'm gonna pour out and give to you what rightfully belongs to you if you want it!"
I've never been someone to post a "roll into" or "reverse" scenario because I don' think Mahue would have his final move this far out in the public.
But here it goes....what I think is possiable
Think about the hearing....There's a few things that CMKX just flat out seemed to not get right.
1) Roger Glenn...his one page completely countered the SEC's core argument of CMKX is operating in bad faith
2) Desemorue...our financials
They seemed to just kinda bumble through the hearings.Now that we have the "inital decision" to revoke,,,Frizzell jumps in and says....we can have the filings done well BEFORE the appeal process is over.And also,,,they fought with the wording for weeks.."wording"?...yeah,,ok.
Frizzell met with the SBC....they told him to get the media involved and they wanted to wait to make sure it was real.
If you approach the FBI with PROOF of lets say....2 trillion shares,what do you think they'll ask of you??
Being your asking them to go after who?? The SEC,DTC,MM's,Brokers,Hedgies..etc,etc.
They'd ask you if your worth anything...no point in starting internal wars over....nothing. Right? They'd say...yeah,we'll get back to you.Thank you.
Do you REALLY think the FBI is NOT aware of NSS in general?
My thought is CMKX can by-pass a court battle,lock-in the judge,FBI,SEC,DTC,MM's,Brokers,Hedgies..etc.
Alot of posters have said "CMKX" is not focused.The SEC told CMKX it wasn't their fault if CMKX didn't call certain witness or submit certian eveidence that they knoweledge of for 2 months...aka,,,Glenn's letter.
She also said,,,any good attorney would realize this.
We know CMKX can't self impose a halt...pink.
What if the plan all along was to get her to issue that "initial decesion" for revokation??
This has now gave us the option of halting the company....
From Frizzells second update letter : Rule 360 of the SEC Rules of Practice basically says the status of the parties (trading allowed) remains the same until an aggrieved party (CMKX) prosecutes its appeal.
NOW,what would you have? Our filings WILL be done before the process is over and you can start releasing news.
What would that do?
Keep the judge from revoking a PUBLIC company that has it's filings & share structure(this is KEY) & intial valuation.
Forces the FBI (gives them reason)to act. Eliminates a drawn out court battle. Gets the media involved. Senators are now fully behind you. NO NEED to expose any politicians if you Could.Actually,they'd be the ones doing the investigating. Elimnates the "to cert or not" debates. Elimnates the need to issue anymore divies..(less scrutiny) Fulfills Urban saying..if your in,you win. Fulfills Frizzell calling for an open market cover through the brokers in his second to last motion. Allows you to keep the name recognition....CMKX
Imo..."CIM" was a two-fold carrot.Locked in the crooks and kept us from selling with the thought of a "clean shell" in the wings as an option.
How many here DID NOT sell because of all this talk? Well,,it's obviously not the...we want to be revoked and go straight to "CIM" because we just(lol) hired an auditor.
By "CMKX" keeping this focused only on a "filing" issue,,(per the SEC by the way),it's now that much easier to remain trading AND now have the NSS a real issue to recognize.
Being it's not what you know but what you can prove,this would still acomplish what the crooks do NOT WANT...public exposure...AND,,,we avoid the courts.
Why are we haveing our financials audited?...they don't have to be.Mgt can sign off on'em. It's like everything else....from the overlooked important facts of the Goldack Survey,,to the TDEM,,,hiring of Glenn and Mahue to the geologists working with us now.
Reputaions and top notch everything across the boards.Who can dispute what these guys say in support of CMKX?
What will Mahue have done by taking this to "intial deceion"...besides NOT relying on the system to right itsself??..He'll have MADE everyone come to the company and deal with this.And...they'll make the moves that he wants/expects them too.
Playin BOTH sides of the fence....perfect Mahue imo.
And this good ole AMERICAN BOY will have stopped the thieves from robbin his country and will see 50,000+ shareholders put money BACK into the market.
You've killed every bird with one shot.
...Rule 360: Operation.."Kill All"...
All your problems gone in one shot.
Art of War comes to mind. LOL
Gltua! Chris
Ps~ This is the nastiest,direct payback for the crooks I can think of
Posted by legaleagle on :
You got the fat part right Wallace. Don't get a lot of exercise any more. LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well, you all have had a great day of name calling and aspersion casting. Sad, you can't focus on the stock.
Posted by stockster5 on :
clement...that televangelist crackpot. He's in the same criminal league as Tilton...they use electric letter openers to pull checks so they can just throw away the letters....Religion doesn't belong in stock discussions at all. Tilton blesses Puffs tissue then orders you to send your last dollar to him. What's he going to do,? Wire Jesus the money. God talked to Jones.... look where that got him.
I'd like to know, who is issuing cmkx stock...?? or is all the volume just churning the same existing??? stock?
Posted by stockster5 on :
last post for the night....parralle stock crap ex: stock listed IBCL was sent up for investigation with sec & others around mid 2002. Information disappeared then as well. No new news about this company anywhere, but the stock still trading. I mean searches for just plain info...??? How and why does this go on? It may have changed names or something.... And again I ask...why didn't UC just reverse split the chit out of cmkx, then changed names again. Just like other pos operators who steal peoples money by reversing, then changing names and inc locations.......... S5
Posted by ed19363 on :
You guys must have posted all night....LOL.
1. Dont know where noah's board is, dont wanna know. But if I ever got there by mistake, I would be ed19363. I'm not ashamed of my posts.
2. There was an article on TV last night about the Wizard of Oz. New name for the cult: scarecrows: no brain.
3. I wish somebody had bashed me out of this stock before it reached .0001. Would have saved me a bunch of money.
4. Another day, another 39 cents after taxes, have a good one guys....
Posted by legaleagle on :
STOCKGATE TODAY
An online newspaper reporting the issues of Securities Fraud Regulation SHO – Threshold List implicates SEC in Malicious Activities – July 7, 2005
David Patch
St. George Metals Inc. (Pink Sheet: SGGM) had its stock trading halted last week by the Securities and Exchange Commission as step one in the SEC’s deregistration process. The SEC, on July 1, 2005, issued a news release stating that actions were being initiated to seek temporary or permanent revocation of the public registration of St. Georges Metals securities due to St. George Metals lack of up to date filings with the agency. The SEC news release claims this action is being undertaken for the protection of the investing public.
But then on July 7, 2005 the NASDAQ posting of the Regulation SHO threshold security list had a new issuer appear on the list. On that list is none other than St. George Metals. SGGM shows up as a company with excessive fails tallied in the Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) system of the Depository Trust Clearing Corporation (DTCC). The CNS report is the accounting records of settlement failures throughout the DTCC clearance and settlement system. The excessive fails now locked in place during a period when the stock is halted from trading.
To be listed on the Regulation SHO threshold security list there must be a minimum of 10,000 shares and 0.5% of the issued and outstanding shares available recorded in the CNS system in a failed settlement status. This level of trade settlement failures must also persist for a minimum period of 5 consecutive trade days before qualifying for the list. For SGGM, that means that from a period starting June 28, 2005 to present, the DTCC would have presented in their daily CNS report to the NASDAQ a failure level in SGGM that exceeded 0.5% of the issued and outstanding shares in the company. Sounds relatively simple.
Unfortunately there is far more to the story.
For starters, SGGM should never be on this list as one of the prerequisites for issuers to qualify for Regulation SHO is that the issuer maintains up to date filings with the SEC to properly calculate a 0.5% settlement failure threshold. The fact that SGGM is on the list questions the integrity of the accuracy of the list. If improper companies are listed, are others qualified left off? In December 2004 Bear Stearns identified a preliminary list containing 1000 companies primarily consisting of OTCBB and pink Sheet Stocks yet the official list published 3 weeks later only contained 100 such companies from the OTCBB and Pink Sheets.
Then there is the other similar type issuer who is on the SHO list who either should not be on there due to accurate filing status or, who stopped trading some time ago. Here again I reference GenesisIntermedia (GENI). GENI has been listed as a SHO qualifier for excessive fails for a period of 105 consecutive trade days. Yet, in those 105 trade days, not a single share in the company has traded. At this rate, GENI will be asked to pay rent to the NASDAQ for the space it is occupying on their website.
We asked the question once before and now it needs to be raised again – Is the SEC maliciously attacking small business issuers with settlement failure problems in an attempt to cover-up the abuses Wall Street perpetrated against the issuer and their investors? Serac Inc (SRCI), Eagletech (EATC), Cassavant Mining (CMKX), as well as many others believe that to be the case. Each has had investors proclaim abusive naked shorting and instead of a formal SEC investigation and report on the trade status in the securities, the SEC instead acted swiftly to deregister the listing.
Don’t take my word on this, look for yourself.
The SEC Actions are recorded in the SEC Digest and the Regulation SHO publications appear daily on each market center web site. The SEC’s actions to revoke company registrations have exceeded the number of enforcements for naked shorting abuses exponentially over this past year. The SEC even gave the industry a pardon on all abusive naked shorts [Grandfather clause in Regulation SHO] while they maliciously attacked the companies abused. The pardon was due to the concerns over the “large pre-existing fails in the system” as stated by James Brigagliano, SEC’s Asst. Director of Market Regulation.
So much for a Federal Agency chartered to protect the Investor, unless the investor in question is the secretive Hedge Funds Industry.
*************.com EvergreenMarketingInc.com
Posted by ed19363 on :
Has CMKX ever been on the SHO list?
Posted by will on :
No, but it is on the SEC's sh*t list.
Posted by ed19363 on :
LOL
Posted by Ric on :
As I said before, investigatethesec is very biased. Whatever you think about the SEC it really doesn't matter. If these companies didn't break the rules like SGGM by not filing then the SEC couldn't revoke them. BUt all that hack webite does is attack. Not that the SEC shouldn't be forced to look at itself but they tend to make 2 + 2 = 5 when it comes to the SEC. The investigatethesec website is to the SEC as Noah is to CMKX. They will make up theories to make the SEC look worse then it is and Noah will make up theories to make CMKX better then it is.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Absolutely Ric, there's no room for BIAS on this board. LOL
Posted by Ric on :
Isn't that true legal, lol.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Did we ever see any proof of all these holes that were drilled all over Canada?
Posted by legaleagle on :
ed, a little hint, check with Double K Excavation near Regina. Owner: Emmerson Koch
Posted by justplayin on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Has CMKX ever been on the SHO list?
Actually, YES it was on the SHO list 1 time for about 3 days!
Not that any of that matters.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Scarecrow One from Wizard Roger and Out
Posted by Ric on :
Of course Ed, the proof is the cult says they did. What more proof do you need?
Now the company only officially say 15 holes where they found nothing except to diamond flakes. But the rest is top secret that can only be stated as fact by made up rumors. Can't have better proof then that.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I'll even make it easy on you ed, here's Double K's Phone number: (306) 693-0375
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ooops that was Emmerson's personal number. Here's Double K: 306-763-9045
Posted by justplayin on :
Legal, for all the hard times you have been given, I have to compliment you on your DD. Although you havn't let all the cats out of the bag, you seem to have done alot of DD.
The only problem is that UC is running the show, outside of that I think CMKX had a chance to live and grow.
Damnn UC!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Thanks just, but UC isn't running the show, and hasn't been since RG came onboard. It has been all Stoecklein, with Maheu overseeing the legal portion, and following the plan laid out by Glenn. UC has been doing what he does best in the interim, overseeing the mining and drilling operations. He will lay low for at least another week, imo, while this thing plays out with the attornies.
Posted by will on :
justplayin, you made legals day, admiring him for his forbearance, and pitying him for his hardship:
maoschist: 4. enjoyment of hardship: the tendency to invite and enjoy misery of any kind, especially in order to be pitied by others or admired for forbearance
Posted by Thorn on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: If the market makers can cover 2 billion shares a day on a 3 trillion share ns, it will only take them 1500 trading days to cover. About 5 years.
I was asking when judgement day is, not how long it would take to fulfill a pipe dream. When does the court move on this stock?
Posted by will on :
Well Thorn, they have moved already. An initial decision to revoke with a 21 day appeal time. The company and the O/G made a proposal to the SEC and court, the Judge, had it in her hands before her intitial decision and has not ruled on it. Having it prior to her action might hint that she pretty much ignored it.
Posted by Upside on :
Well I'll be damned, they filed something after all!
Mr. Casavant went on to further state "We are pleased to announce that we have moved out of the hookah bar and have re-located our corprorate offices to the phone booth across the street, all in the name of increasing shareholder value. This is a proud day for the Company and shareholders alike."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Speaking of drilling and please correct me if I am wrong, but don't I remember something in the Hearing testimony that there were no drilling expenses in 2004? If true, the conclusion should be there WAS NO drilling in 2004, correct? If the conclusion is true, account for the following:
May/04 - CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Phase #1 Drilling of Carolyn Pipe completed. Mar/04 - CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces 'Carolyn Pipe' at 900+ Feet and Still in Kimberlite. Mar/04 - CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Progress on Drilling and Exploration Program. Mar/04 - CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces That Drilling Has Commenced Two Days Ahead of Schedule in the Fort a la Corne Area. Mar/04 - CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Drilling Program to Commence in the Fort a la Corne Area on Wednesday, March 17, 200 Feb/04 - CMKM announces drilling program to commence. Jan/04 - CMKM announces purchase of drill rig, accessories, and extra equipment for drilling. Company Signs One Year Contract With Experienced Drill Foreman to Oversee Drill Operation. Program - Commits to Drilling Numerous Holes in Search Of Kimberlite Pipes in the Forte a la Corne Area and Green Lake Area
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ed, a little hint, check with Double K Excavation near Regina. Owner: Emmerson Koch
And a little hint to you, legal. Bet UC has his fingers somewhere in that bowl (not that he would even know what a finger bowl is) as well as the following:
Name: CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING CORPORATION Type: Corporation File Number: C1291-2003 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: January 21, 2003 Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted) Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT HENDERSON NV 89074- President: URBAN CASAVANT Address: PO BOX 27740 LAS VEGAS NV 89109- Secretary: CAROLYN CASAVANT Address: PO BOX 27740 LAS VEGAS NV 89109- Treasurer: EMMERSON KOCH Address: PO BOX 27740 LAS VEGAS NV 89109-
Please note, legal, the name of the "Treasurer". I am willing to bet it is another demonstration of a conflict of interests by both Koch and by Casavant. Therefore, what would you expect from Koch if you wasted time calling him? Same old talk or lack thereof!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
CMKX's 8K of 7/13/05:
"On July 13, 2005, the Registrant established a new temporary principal executive office at 4760 South Pecos Road, Suite 211, Las Vegas, Nevada 89121. The office is leased on a month-to-month basis for $399 per month." --------------------
Note the "month to month basis". Now we know how long UC's Master Plan extends from time to time. Really provides assurances that CMKX will be around for a little while, huh? Keep it up, UC. You continue to make deep impressions!
Posted by bond006 on :
uc office is leased on a month to month basis it figures might as well be a week to week flop house
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
But are what records that exist still in UC's house? What is it, just a phone and a family member to answer it? Maybe Andy? Better yet, maybe Melvin!
You see, unlike Richard Nixon, UC might have burned some records either before or after he took the 5th.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Mr. Casavant went on to further state "We are pleased to announce that we have moved out of the hookah bar and have re-located our corprorate offices to the phone booth across the street, all in the name of increasing shareholder value. This is a proud day for the Company and shareholders alike."
Darn near choked on my coffee....
Posted by ed19363 on :
He had to rent on a month-to-month basis because they wouldnt rent to him for just 20 days....
Posted by will on :
The party line is going to be they rented month to month because they have the goods, and such a lowly temporary office won't fit their image as KING of diamonds. So when this little inconvenient filing problem is behind them they will move to some Manhattan penthouse suite, an address more befitting the KING of diamonds. Hope this guys next address will be a Federal prison somewhere. OK noah, we're ready for your DD and highflying bullchit regarding this all important 8K and the implications of it, along with a ton of value theories why they chose it........blah, blah, blah.
[ July 14, 2005, 17:48: Message edited by: will ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
So many questions, so much bashing. Let's see where do I start. First, the business is operated from Urbans house for security. Apparently he did learn from Nixon's Watergate. The house has round the clock security, therefore the safest place for sensitive company documents. IMO the new address is just a mail drop for company correspondence and nothing more.
Second, yes Wallace you are right no drilling expenses in 2004 for CMKX. That's because they are being done by JVs or one of the numbered Sask Ltd companies that actually own the claims. That is what I have been trying to say all along. The company that owns the claims is the ones that order the drilling. By now, all or most of our claims, are, or have been moved into safer "ownership", therefore no, or limited, expenses are alloted to CMKX. Please try to look at the bigger picture. Drop the prejudices against CMKX that are clouding your judegement and try to see what is really going on, and you may clearly see what is about to happen.
Third, Emmerson Koch is a long time friend of Urban's, preceeding the CMKX ventures, and someone he can trust to hold the company assets in a separate corporation until the time is right. He is the holder of all of the Sask Ltd claims. And yes, he is quite easy to talk to, and a very friendly and helpful individual. If you want to go back to the recent Vegas race postings, you will find that he is the one that told multiple shareholders that 50 some holes had been punched this year. Or you could just call him a liar, fail to realize that Urban's friend, who holds most of the claims, and an excavation company, just might know something about that subject. And where do you get the idea that it is a conflict of interest to serve as the Treasurer of CMKX while owning holding companies with their claims? That sort of thing is frequently done.
The telephone number for the IR goes through Urban's Sask residence which Melvin maintains for him when he is in Vegas, and the phone number is registered in Melvin's name. I think he is still an employee in Sask and has been since Andy got the IR's job, but I don't know that for sure.
I think that's all you asked.
Posted by legaleagle on :
If you want to see photos of the building, they are here. The building is up for sale at auction and this is the flyer:
I figured it out, there's magic mushrooms ground up in the koolaid. Thats why it cost $25 to join th OG. They send you a starter kit. Nice story but still seen not one ounce of proof that one more hole then the 15 was drilled, by CMKX or Santa clause. And if all the assets are moved, what makes you think that you will ever see them again. UC's word or lack there of. I am sure that World com and Enron shareholders believe the manure that they were feed too.
"there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Too busy, legal, to address everything. However, you evidently do not know what represents a conflict of interests.
Giving that $1 mil over to CIM was a "Conflict of Interest"....two separate companies controlled by Casavant.
Dealing with Koch with any kind of drilling company (and probably UC really owns most of it) while Koch is Treasurer or related in some way to Casavant is a "Conflict of Interests".
You state: "And where do you get the idea that it is a conflict of interest to serve as the Treasurer of CMKX while owning holding companies with their claims?"
That is precisely what a conflict of interests is!
Let's look at Koch for example. As Treasurer a deal comes up and he has to be involved with negotiating a contract for CMKX. It's a drilling contract and his firm is the highest bid for exactly the same work, etc. It would probably be in CMKX's best interest under those conditions to take the lowest bid. It would be in Koch's and his company's best interest to secure the contract at that highest bid. That represents a conflict of interests that should never exist in the first place. The same thing would be true re CMKX and CIM....Casavant and Casavant, just a different scenario.
You say: "That sort of thing is frequently done."
Show me one company on the Big Board with anything similar and I can guarantee you there is an agreement to eliminate it. Sure, on much lesser markets you may find such goings on (in the OTCBB stocks and especially in the Pinks), but in no way is it considered an ethical practice. It permits games and monies to be siphoned away or to one company or the other depending upon managements' personal interests (incl. their families) as opposed to what is in the best interest of shareholders.
I frequently dealt with such situations and arranged termination agreements of such conflicts.
PS: Seems to me that DeSormeau was also "a long time friend" of Urban Casavant's too. Like I have said before, "birds of a feather stick together".
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm shocked, just caught up in the days banter & no mention of todays trading???. maybe my microcap is broken but 26 trades for a total of just under 141 million & 50% at .0004 the rest at .0001. what is very strange is not 1 mm listed on L2's, zero, nada, nobody home. he11 even ICAN has a bunch of mm's listed. i don't check L2's for cmkx very often, been a few weeks since the last time but if shares trade there has to be an mm, there were a bunch the last time i looked. fat fingers always go thru most every day & maybe they just never punched in the extra zero so the sells were at .00001 & the buys at .00004 (bunch in a row too) but ya still need an mm.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, it has been awhile. CMKX has been on the greys with no listed MMs since they were suspended. And there was volume under two billion again today.
Posted by bill1352 on :
was wondering legal, thanks. it sure didn't seem normal. microcap normally has the volume right. tho at 1 point today it was over 1 billion but not enough trades to equal that.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok bashers we need to give credit when due. from figuring on pb32 it works out to 250 sq/ft of office space but if your about to be revoked & the SEC wants a real office to put on any filings $399 a month & a month to month contract makes sence...but look at your neighbors...should warn ya some nudity on both sites...before & afters look good on the last 1...lol
Looks like we are in good company. Witchqueen lives there.
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So many questions, so much bashing. Let's see where do I start. First, the business is operated from Urbans house for security. Apparently he did learn from Nixon's Watergate. The house has round the clock security, therefore the safest place for sensitive company documents. IMO the new address is just a mail drop for company correspondence and nothing more.
LEGAL: Urban is in his basement because he is to damm lazy to move his fat azz to an office and also because its a scam. What a joke a multi million dollar operation in his basement. Geez man you have lost it Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: So many questions, so much bashing. Let's see where do I start. First, the business is operated from Urbans house for security. Apparently he did learn from Nixon's Watergate. The house has round the clock security, therefore the safest place for sensitive company documents. IMO the new address is just a mail drop for company correspondence and nothing more.
LEGAL: Urban is in his basement because he is to damm lazy to move his fat azz to an office and also because its a scam. What a joke a multi million dollar operation in his basement. Geez man you have lost it
Quite the contrary Doc, the multimillion dollar operations aren't in CMKX,or his basement. IMO
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Those "million dollar operations" are probably on his azz so he can put it to good use in prison.
Probably cost him a couple of hundred thousand to get one cheek tatooed "Trust Me" and the other "I WAS the Shaftor".
[ July 15, 2005, 00:17: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Ric on :
Those "million dollar operations" are probably in the slot machines.
But for sure some of the millions went to sponser his hobby, drag racing. I wish shareholders would buy 703 billion shares from me so I could go to the track every week.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: So many questions, so much bashing. Let's see where do I start. First, the business is operated from Urbans house for security. Apparently he did learn from Nixon's Watergate. The house has round the clock security, therefore the safest place for sensitive company documents. IMO the new address is just a mail drop for company correspondence and nothing more.
LEGAL: Urban is in his basement because he is to damm lazy to move his fat azz to an office and also because its a scam. What a joke a multi million dollar operation in his basement. Geez man you have lost it
Quite the contrary Doc, the multimillion dollar operations aren't in CMKX,or his basement. IMO
Exactly, they do not exist, only one big "scam" in Urban's basement with his fat azz Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Those "million dollar operations" are probably on his azz so he can put it to good use in prison.
Probably cost him a couple of hundred thousand to get one cheek tatooed "Trust Me" and the other "I WAS the Shaftor".
It will be nice to see him in the reverse role of being the "Shaftee" Posted by legaleagle on :
Usually this type of fascination with other mens azzes is reserved for the gay message boards isn't it?
Posted by derek111c on :
Do you mean the QBID board?
Posted by Ric on :
Signs of a cult
Leaders may be...
* The friendliest person you have ever met. * People think you are wonderful and know you have connections, influence, or financial resources. * They have all the answers. * Hiding a greater "truth" from you until a more "appropriate" time. (Estabrooks, 1999)
The Organization
* A Totalitarian worldview * Exploitation: There is pressure to give money, to spend a great deal of money on special projects. Exploitation can be financial, physical, or psychological. * Alienation * Exclusivity: Secretiveness or vagueness by followers regarding activities and beliefs; recruiting and fund-raising with hidden objectives and without full disclosure; use of "front groups".
The Followers
* Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
* Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
* Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
* Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
* Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
* Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
* Followers believe that outside forces are out to get the gtoup/leader.
[ July 15, 2005, 04:36: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Possibly all that "security" is to protect UC from angry shareholders.....
Posted by will on :
You're up and at 'em early , ed.
Ric, does that profile of a cult fit ?? LOL !!!
Everyone one of those points applies to these faithful fools. I never refered to them as a cult, but after seeing that definition it sure is difficult to argue that they're not a cult.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I hereby nominate the following as the post of the year for 2005. If this isnt CMKX, I dont know who it is.
Beware of the Pink Sheet Promotion: Provocative Statements and Investor Greed
Investors, especially small cap traders, are often lured into buying a company's stock in order to live up to the dream of making a quick buck, easily and without pain. To do this, one would have to bypass the higher exchanges such as the New York Stock Exchange, Nasdaq and American Stock Exchange in order to scout for companies to purchase on lower market trading venues like the Over the Counter Bulletin Board and the Pink Sheets where higher percentage returns on investment is the norm. These are public markets where regulatory requirements are practically invisible and disclosure through Securities and Exchange Commission filings is limited. Yet, an investor is still able to keep his mouth watering because of the potential of doubling or even tripling his investment in a matter of hours. Even though those risks would scare off any rational or conservative investor, the high reward is able to outweigh that risk, giving a strange comfort to the investor who is able to ignore those risks in exchange for a chance of a profit.
To reach a few of these investors, it does not take much for any company or management team to entice them to buy their stock. However, it does take a cunning, masterful and sometimes scheming promoter to capture many of these investors who are gullible to greed and desire to reap profits.
It all begins with a plan by the chief executive officer of the company, sometimes the only real or sole employee of the company, who goes out and hires consultants to help with his vision. The vision, at the surface, is an ambitious plan to create some sort of long term value through a legitimate operation. However, what meets the eye is not always true, and time and time again, a company's quest to create value is just an excuse to raise money through a scheme that is devised to stash as much money as possible, not for company operations, but for the management's piggy banks.
The promotion is underway when the consultants get to work with direct supervision of management, and this is where it gets interesting. Usually, the promotion starts off with a flurry of press releases filled with forward looking statements that have yet to be proven or backed with real results. Then if it is a real top notch promotion, a coordinated visibility campaign would occur with a well known investment newsletter that would successfully convert readers into buyers of the company's stock.
Take for instance, the June edition of the Kissinger Financial Letter, which is helping to create a bit of publicity for some undiscovered company. In this particular edition, the newsletter uses a seemingly very reputable source, an oil giant who has made billions in the Giddings Oil Fields of South Texas to help promote Am-Tex Oil & Gas (Pink Sheets: AMTX), a tiny oil and gas exploration company in which 25% of the project is jointly owned by the oil mogul's company. With his untarnished credibility, the newsletter leaves him as the backdrop for which they could now paint a picture of a sure thing investment. The newsletter provides even more incentives by claiming that if oil is produced at certain levels, the stock price of Am-Tex could appreciate thousands of percentage points.
While this may seem like a sure bet to snatch a pot of gold, this mind frame is what makes the average investor susceptible to risking their money in these types of investments. If you closely read the fine print, the editors of the publicly distributed report provided by Kissinger Financial Letter have received an editorial fee, as well as distribution costs of the newsletter by a third party. What is even more eye opening is that the newsletter was paid an astounding 100,000 shares of Am-Tex Oil & Gas by a third party.
When thinking logically, in a promotion with typical publicity stunts through major newsletters or otherwise, one should be able to see the red flags in a case like this. If the corporation has that much potential to produce a highly lucrative supply of oil, with the support of an oil giant, why would there need to be any reason to promote it? A good investor needs to ignore the hype and take off his rose colored glasses. Every investor must realize that money comes with responsibility, and if it is too good to be true, than it most likely is.
And that is this month’s real deal.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Great post ed.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal: "Thanks just, but UC isn't running the show, and hasn't been since RG came onboard. It has been all Stoecklein, with Maheu overseeing the legal portion, and following the plan laid out by Glenn. UC has been doing what he does best in the interim, overseeing the mining and drilling operations. He will lay low for at least another week, imo, while this thing plays out with the attornies." --------------------
legal, where or how in hell do you get or come up with all the crap such as the above? If anyone is running CMKX, it IS Urban Casavant and very shabbily at that.
Roger Glenn did nothing more than take money, do nothing and run off or was driven off and you still have him walking on water?
Maheu drew a complete blank about anything to do with CMKX, so we know how truly involved he is.
Stoecklein is being paid by CMKX (UC in reality). He's just another lawyer wiping ass for a retainer. For him to be running CMKX, there would have to be some kind of formal action taken at CMKX and we know UC would not let that happen.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Great post ed.
Thanks, guy....looks like our fortune may be in HISC, not here....
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal: "Thanks just, but UC isn't running the show, and hasn't been since RG came onboard. It has been all Stoecklein, with Maheu overseeing the legal portion, and following the plan laid out by Glenn. UC has been doing what he does best in the interim, overseeing the mining and drilling operations. He will lay low for at least another week, imo, while this thing plays out with the attornies." --------------------
legal, where or how in hell do you get or come up with all the crap such as the above? If anyone is running CMKX, it IS Urban Casavant and very shabbily at that.
Roger Glenn did nothing more than take money, do nothing and run off or was driven off and you still have him walking on water?
Maheu drew a complete blank about anything to do with CMKX, so we know how truly involved he is.
Stoecklein is being paid by CMKX (UC in reality). He's just another lawyer wiping ass for a retainer. For him to be running CMKX, there would have to be some kind of formal action taken at CMKX and we know UC would not let that happen.
You keep missing my point Wallace. CMKX is now barely more than a shell. All or most of the operations and assets have been vested in JV's and other Corporations run by Urban. CMKX has become a legal play only and Stoecklein is at the helm of that. However, when the legal play is finished, who knows what part CMKX will play in the big picture. I could give you some educated speculation, but why would I permit you to hammer me with "speculation"?
Where do I get all of this? DD and people close to the operation.
Roger Glenn set up what is now occuring, and Stoecklein is doing the dirty work. Glenn still apart of everything as counsel to USCA.
Maheu drew a complete blank about CMKX operations because there are no operations in that company. See above.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Legal. if it makes you feel better about your investment well you just keep believing the crap that you post.
You remind me of the joke about the guy who fell from a forty story building, every floor he passed he said "so far so good" well I wonder what he said after he passed the last floor? Maybe "Oh Chit" Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
L: "All or most of the operations and assets have been vested in JV's and other Corporations run by Urban." W: First of all, precisely what operations and what assets? Liabilities too. Please show your proof and source. L: "CMKX has become a legal play only and Stoecklein is at the helm of that." W: CMKX is on the verge of DEFINITIVE REVOCATION!!! Stoecklein is meaningless at this point in time as applied to CMKX. L: "I could give you some educated speculation, but why would I permit you to hammer me with "speculation"? W: Correct, legal. I would "hammer" you about speculation. It means nothing! L: "Where do I get all of this? DD and people close to the operation." W: Prove it, legal. We know how you twist so-called DD. What people? Precisely who? How close? What operation? Name names, dates and content of information. PROVE IT! L: "Roger Glenn set up what is now occuring, and Stoecklein is doing the dirty work. Glenn still apart of everything as counsel to USCA." W: Glenn set up nothing except a vehicle to siphon money away from stockholders of CMKX.....amounting to 1 page of non-accomplishments. USCA is not CMKX and Glenn is no longer with CMKX, so what are you talking about? Remember, Williams distanced himself from Casavant at the Hearings! Glenn would be serving two masters if what you say is true....another "conflict of interests". Considered unethical. L: "Maheu drew a complete blank about CMKX operations because there are no operations in that company." W: If there are no operations, how can you have said above you got something from "people close to the operation"? Are you suggesting CMKX is completely defunct and out of business? Says who....besides you? NAMES! PROOF! Maheu drew a blank at the Hearings because he was kept in the dark and Judge Murry hit the nail on the head when she asked if he was there just for his name only. Besides, CMKX sure as hell was claiming operations when he came on board.
No more generalizing, pontificating, postulating, spinning or speculating, legal. Where's the beef? Show sources and proof. Establish some credibility!
Posted by ed19363 on :
A PR from ANY of these JVs would be acceptable. Just no more IMOs. NEWS!!!! not prestidigitation...
Dont believe it unless you read it in a PR....Okay, so where are they?
Posted by ed19363 on :
1.9 billion again today...who in hell is doing all this trading?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Scuse me....1.3 billion
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace, you've gotten all you're gettin for now.
BTW, right after Williams "distanced" himself from UC at the hearing, they went to Ecuador together. LOL You'll fall for anything.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Aw, cmon, throw us a bone......ROFL
Posted by ed19363 on :
Never mind, I forgot UC already gave us a bone.....
Posted by legaleagle on :
ed, did you miss my post above. I gave you quite a lot. You have a choice of listening to it or rejecting it, but this is a message board, not a courtroom. I don't have to reveal my sources or my proof. But, a little real DD on anyone's part and some common sense applications of what you see, and what you don't see, will lead you to the proper conclusion. I put it out for you to consider and to lead you to the right sources for making an informed decison about your money. But I don't feel any need to hold anyone's hand and walk them through this. You are all big boys in here, even if your language is a little schoolyard-ish.
Posted by ed19363 on :
What I DONT see, I dont believe.
I was taught to believe 10% of what you hear, 25% of the written word, and 50% of what you see.
100% is reserved for what you have actually done yourself.
And if you are going to keep postulating theories without any proof at all, you may as well quit posting at all, because I for one will just laugh at you.
And I'll match my use and knowledge of the English language against yours any time.
Jist couse I mespel a werd now an thin, dont meen I donno howe to spel it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I don't have to reveal my sources or my proof." --------------------
Strange, legal, that's what you keep insisting others do. What is that nonsense? Do as you say, but not as you do?
Your credibility is shot!!! Worthless!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey ed,
How'd you like the way HISC performed today, huh? A WHOPPER!!! Don't I remember you saying you had about 50K shs?
Posted by will on :
noah's double standard !! The guy's full of crap.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Hey ed,
How'd you like the way HISC performed today, huh? A WHOPPER!!! Don't I remember you saying you had about 50K shs?
Yup, 50K at .02....There will be some mild celebrating tonite....LOL .083 today, and I wouldnt bet against it going over a dime Monday. They will be PR-ing again very soon. And to the AMEX or higher before the end of the year. From my understanding the paperwork is to be completed near the end of this month. Looks like a wild time..... GL to US !!!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "I don't have to reveal my sources or my proof." --------------------
Strange, legal, that's what you keep insisting others do. What is that nonsense? Do as you say, but not as you do?
Your credibility is shot!!! Worthless!
OK, if my credibility is shot I'll quit posting.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: noah's double standard !! The guy's full of crap.
Yeah, piss on UC and CMKX. It isnt the only stock in the world. I need this aggravation like I need another hole in my head.
Posted by ed19363 on :
FULT paid dividends today....wonder if I should buy CMKX with it.....ROFLMAO
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Wallace: "How'd you like the way HISC performed today, huh?"
I'm glad you guys hit the jackpot.I can't believe it sit there and doubled my BSIO (another homeland security stock) so fast.I mean they can just sit there forever, then BOOM!I should of got some HISC back around the end of June, or after the last run, because I just can't chase.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Wallace: "How'd you like the way HISC performed today, huh?"
I'm glad you guys hit the jackpot.I can't believe it sit there and doubled my BSIO (another homeland security stock) so fast.I mean they can just sit there forever, then BOOM!I should of got some HISC back around the end of June, or after the last run, because I just can't chase.
It isnt a jackpot yet, but IMO it wont be a penny stock for long. These people know what they're doing and the timing is great. Read some of their PRs, I think by next year this may be very undervalued even at a dime.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
$3,150 is a pretty good jackpot to me although if pr comes soon, it probably be minor $'s. I agree they look good, & know what they're doing.
Posted by will on :
Just remember they're pennies, guys. Don't get too greedy, and make sure your sitting on free shares.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Will, there ya go ruining all our fun. I thought we wuz supposed to be greedy, otherwise the SEC wont let you buy penny stock....LOL
Posted by will on :
Hey, I'm just trying to help. I noticed some of you guys are careless with your sack, and get kicked when you're not looking. I'm like the guy in the Western that shouts, "watch out, he's gotta a gun".
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Will, there ya go ruining all our fun. I thought we wuz supposed to be greedy, otherwise the SEC wont let you buy penny stock....LOL
Wonder if they can git-r-dun in the next 10 days or so....LOL
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Outlook not so good
Posted by will on :
Chances = slim to zero, and slim was seen leaving the building with Elvis.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "I don't have to reveal my sources or my proof." --------------------
Strange, legal, that's what you keep insisting others do. What is that nonsense? Do as you say, but not as you do?
Your credibility is shot!!! Worthless!
OK, if my credibility is shot I'll quit posting.
Another broken promise, I bet.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "I don't have to reveal my sources or my proof." --------------------
Strange, legal, that's what you keep insisting others do. What is that nonsense? Do as you say, but not as you do?
Your credibility is shot!!! Worthless!
OK, if my credibility is shot I'll quit posting.
legal, do as you wish. You will anyway! But please, if you continue posting such as the above, be specific with information such as names, sources, content etc. It will better serve your image on this board. You can reprieve yourself! LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
From the 8K mentioned above:
"The change in accountants does not result from any dissatisfaction with the quality of professional services rendered by Bagell, Josephs & Company, L.L.C., as the independent accountants of Registrant." --------------------
Notice they say nothing as to whether or not Bagell,Josephs & Company declined being their accountants because of some dissatisfaction on their part. Sometimes such omissions say more than the admissions.
[ July 15, 2005, 19:22: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
NOW!!! BUY HISC! BUY HISC! BUY HISC! NOT A QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! STOCK OR MANAGEMENT!
I AM PUMPING!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT DUMPING THOUGH...YET.
Posted by will on :
They weren't disatisfied, the were out and out insulted and pissed off.
Posted by will on :
So, you stuck the pig in the ass there, did ya, pal?
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: NOW!!! BUY HISC! BUY HISC! BUY HISC! NOT A QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! STOCK OR MANAGEMENT!
I AM PUMPING!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT DUMPING THOUGH...YET.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will, you cannot discourage me. I'm up into a very nice 5 figure profit so far on HISC.
I believe in HISC and it's management. I think they just hired a new lawyer who worked for the SEC and he walks on water. They bought back shares on the open market, thereby reducing the O/S. They've signed big contracts. They also got some big, big shot (much bigger than Maheu) associated w/Geo.W.Bush working with them now. They are in the business of homeland security....incl. tracking of people. What more could we ask for? Some have said that's how they found that guy who might have made those bombs in Egypt.
LOL! I lied about the lawyer and the guy in Egypt though. Sounded great though, huh? The rest is basically the truth!
Posted by will on :
Wallace, I wasn't discouraging you. I saw HISC a long time ago, and could never figure why it was so sick. bill and I talked about it, before that UpMan and I talked about it. When I first saw it I couldn't figure it out, it looked great, right people running it, right industry, everything looked good except the PPS. I thought I saw it dip to .001 or .0015 at one time.
Posted by Upside on :
Yeah, we did talk about it and being the smart fellers that we are, we didn't buy it.
Posted by will on :
Yea, but we talked about it. LOL !! That one an 50 others that took off. I did buy a few and sold them too early. ONEV, XPLI, STVFE, TNOG...some I remember. LOL
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Yeah, we did talk about it and being the smart fellers that we are, we didn't buy it.
Posted by Upside on :
You know what's really upsetting me right now? My wife is going to be out until about 9:00 tonight which I've known about for the last few days so me, being the good guy that I am, downloaded a bunch of her favorite songs over the last few days and was going to burn them to a CD tonight and then sit out on our deck with her when she got home and pop the cd into the player and really wow her. You married guys know what I mean, kind of set the stage for later, make her think I'm a real romantic guy. Well, someone snatched the USB cable from my cd burner and put it into something else so now it doesn't work. So, I've been yanking cables out of other things to put them into the burner and now I've got Windows telling me that I really screwed up and nothing works anymore. I've got 6 loose USB cables in my hand and Windows is throwing a fit telling me that I can't just pull them out like that and I'm probably damaging my hardware. I've got a software program telling me I'm an idiot. I'm looking at the back of my computer and it looks like a bowl of cable spaghetti with a nice, thick dust topping and I'm saying screw it, I'll deal with this mess tomorrow. I'll just have to lay some of that old Upside charm on her. Pretty sure that'll work, it's like a magic potion. I should bottle it and sell it on E-Bay.
Posted by will on :
Yea, label it as fox piss. LOL
CharMan
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:Yea, but we talked about it. LOL !! That one an 50 others that took off. I did buy a few and sold them too early. ONEV, XPLI, STVFE, TNOG...some I remember. LOL
We make a good team. Maybe we should start a newsletter.
Posted by will on :
Yea, label the news letter as fox piss too. LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Up,
Give her some of that BBQ sauce! That will get her hot! LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Yeah, we did talk about it and being the smart fellers that we are, we didn't buy it.
But I did!!!! 150K shares for me and 10K shs for my neighbor.
Lousy 10K shs cost me $40 and they're on cloud nine now! Couldn't have made a better investment there.
Posted by will on :
Stop yourself, braggart !!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Stop yourself, braggart !!
will,
Don't you know that kind of success comes from years of experience? You could never reach such a pinnacle because you are too eloquent. You need to get a bit earthy from time to time! LMAO
PS: BUY HISC!!!
Posted by Upside on :
Good job Wallace. Want a good stable stock to buy? Do some research on MOD. They're close to their 52 week high but everything is right with them. They're about to spin off an after market product of theirs and merge it into another company named Transpro, I think. I just got the booklet in the mail the other day detailing the merger, I'll send it to you if you're interested.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Yes, Up, please send it. Would appreciate it and will look into MOD.
As far as HISC is concerned, I think it will continue to go up....but how far I do not know. Good past record. Looking toward positive financials. Good products. Good contracts. Good management. Moving to list on OTCBB - maybe Amex, but OTCBB for sure. Companies working with include Nextel. Homeland Security which is in public eye for some time now. I truly am positive on this right now, but still watch it very, very carefully just in case. Nothing is a sure winner until it happens.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Up,
Gave MOD a quick cursory check. Fundamentals do look good. Nice pps too! That would be for my more permanent portfolio.
Saw the reference to Transpro and the spin-off
Posted by Upside on :
I'll send it out next week Wallace. One thing about HISC and I don't mean to sound presumptuous, things do look good based on p/r's, but be careful with it. They could be playing the pink sheet game with talk of going to the OTCBB or the AMEX. That's a common ploy that even CMKX has used a number of times. I looked up their filings on the SEC site but the only one available was from March of this year. It was a paper registration of securities so I can't access it.
Anyway, MOD is in the 38 range and I'm looking for it to split around 40, that's traditionally where they do it. Their earnings are due out next week and from what I know, they should be good. They're a local company that we supply a lot of raw material to and they are finally firing on all cylinders. They've been down for quite a while but it looks like they've got their act together now.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Thanks, Up. I am aware of the talk re OTCBB and Amex. That's why I watch it very, very carefully incl. lack of SEC filings. That is one thing that really concerns me because with the volume at which it has been trading, there should be at least 1000 shareholders.
PS: One other good thing is that they are not a damn, stinking Nevada registered company
Posted by Upside on :
Yep, if they're for real, they could fly. You, your neighbor and Ed could do really well. I hope it happens. I'm pretty sure Will talked me out of buying it, after all, Will knows things. Posted by Wallace#1 on :
You might try finding financial info at the following site:
According to that info as of 12/31/2004 they had 36 shareholders (and that has to be lots, lots more now). They also showed a net profit of about $550K. Very interesting reading....as is their site.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Damn it, Up, I told you Will is a turkey!
Posted by foxtrot6 on :
IT IS NOT TO LATE TO BUY HISC We are going thru $1.00 and beyond
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by foxtrot6: IT IS NOT TO LATE TO BUY HISC We are going thru $1.00 and beyond
Careful, my friend. Although I hope you are right, let's not get too carried away right now. It's too soon. This just might be one to hold for about a year though....assuming it doesn't decline to any major degree and continues on it's current path.
Posted by bill1352 on :
howdy folks...quit braggin wallace...geezzeeeus christ...lol i had hisc at .015 held it hated the manipulation of the pps by the mm's got out at .018, over the next few days it hit .05. back down to .025...do i buy again??? HELL NO...i did buy today at .068 & i aint sellin till its .50 ...F them. i think if they buy 30% more back off the open market its a $1 stock by the end of the yr if not sometime next yr. too much talk of re-doing all the port security in the news & that HISC's soon to be bread & butter.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
They are also involved with all other kinds of security besides, seaports....trains, truck transportation, etc.
Also involved with personal security and tracking of individuals for security purposes.
I will make up my mind about $.50 or $1.00 if it hits $.20/share. I think $.10 is a given. GLTY
PS: Look at that site I posted, bill, and I think you will be comfortable with your Buy price.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i saw that long ago wallace...my trouble is i want instant cash...none of this waiting around 2 or 3 months chit...lol. maybe there's a clue there as to why my account has dropped so bad this yr...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
personally i think HISC has a dip back to .06 coming next week unless big news hit...profit taking. even very good looking companies lose pps to that. i'm thinking a good 1/2 day monday then it started to dip. might hit .10 before it dips. the cash i have in HISC is there, i'll flip it till it hits .50.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill, it flew right through resistance from .058 to .083 today. Everything - the pps, the huge volume, the # of Buyers vs Sellers, the regular and positive PRs, the current security situations and the fact that they do file something with the SEC which looks positive - suggests it will continue to climb on Monday rather than slide. Be interesting to see which of us is correct.
Maybe the profit taking has worn itself out and people are now thinking they should now stick with it for a longer period of time.
Posted by Ric on :
LOL, I am sorry not to say its a bad stock but that is what is said about all the hot penny stocks. Remember GZFX, QBID, TCFT, IBZT, WMNI, CNES and many many more. And they all did alright during the run and they all plummetted after the hype. It seems everytime one of these run, its "we are going to a dollar." You need to read the dow theory on the stock market.
I will bet it will never break the .19 magic number for penny stocks.
quote:Originally posted by foxtrot6: IT IS NOT TO LATE TO BUY HISC We are going thru $1.00 and beyond
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Who the hell asked you Ric? LOL Can't you support my PUMP? Damn BASHER!
PS: And I gave you 5 stars a long time ago. Geeezz!
Posted by Ric on :
lol Wallace. I be quiet. SSSSShhhhhhhhhhhh
I will keep it to the CMKX basher board, lol.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
WOW!! Ric, you learn a lot faster than legal. LOL Took you all of 3 minutes.
Posted by Ric on :
Only thing that would scare me about it is the fact that CNES longs are in it. They could jinx any good stock, lol. They diffently don't know when to sell high.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya Ric..ya just bash everything now????...lol the o/s is about 500 million, it needs to drop to a lot smaller number to see $1 or start raking in the cash. this product they just had a $2.5 million sell of could be a big hit tho. still think a dip is coming followed by a sideways move. if it hit .10 before it starts dipping it will only drop to the .07's. you are right wallace, profit taking will slow down & may have already but if i can sell at .10 & buy back at .07 i'll be doin so.
Posted by bill1352 on :
another homeland security penny that i think has a big run coming is AMNI, that is if they quit pr'ing about security glass chit as of june this yr the float is 260 million. they need to get reporting very soon or the SEC will be breathing down their necks too. dont see an HISC in it but a couple pennies sounds about right.
Estimated Market Cap: 2.173M as of 2005-07-14 (based on Outstanding Shares as of 2005-06-01) Authorized Shares: 750,000,000 as of 2005-06-01 Float: 260,000,000 as of 2005-06-01 Number of Shareholders of Record: 3,500 as of 2005-06-01
Posted by Ric on :
bill, :-)~~
lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
i take it your bashing AMNI too ric???...lol actually i dont own any, just on my watch list for news, they do have other things besides this glass crap.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I'm tired guys! Good night!
Posted by farpceca on :
hisc OS = 450m float = 200m
fwiw. oh and cmkx sucks.
Posted by toddr545 on :
hey puds this is a cmkx thread! keep it that way, thanks
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"hey puds this is a cmkx thread! keep it that way, thanks" --------------------
toddr,
What's a "pud"? I better ask Will. With his eloquent vocabulary, he should know for sure! LOL
Where the hell is that guy anyway?
Don't worry, toddr, every once in a while we divert attention away from CMKX for just a bit more fun. BUY HISC!!
Posted by will on :
Wallace a pud is your favorite toy you used to play with when you were an adolescent, before you knew that it was much better to share your toy with a young lady. You still have it, just that the novelty of playing with it has worn off. You know how those old toys get all limp and out of shape.
...and he's right on both counts. LOL !
you guys are puds, and this is a CMKX thread. LOL !
Way to go toddr.
Posted by bill1352 on :
toddr545 Member
Rate Member posted July 16, 2005 02:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey puds this is a cmkx thread! keep it that way, thanks
==========================================
puds???? i think he was trying to insult us. here we are yappin about a real stock for a bit and some pud shows up from nowhere & wants to establish order?? ON A CMKX THREAD???? just the thought of order on a cmkx thread hurts my head. might be he is a lurking cult member and talk of a stock that increases in value causes reality to slip in between the kool-aide. if thats the case we are sorry, i know that must be painful.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Couple more days we can just let this thread fade off into memory. We better hurry and find another one to bash, or we will lose our standing in Bashers of America's Stock Tickers And Rumor Delivery (*******).
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hmmmm....even in a joke I get stars....
Posted by bill1352 on :
ed are you crackin yourself up again????
Posted by ed19363 on :
It's a continuous process, Bill....
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Ed, Bill, did you see the encouraging Andy note?LOL
Posted by will on :
Post it, you pud ! LOL !!!
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Ed, Bill, did you see the encouraging Andy note?LOL
Posted by Highwaychild on :
It won't let me,I'll have to re type it... hang on I type slow....
Posted by Binky on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Couple more days we can just let this thread fade off into memory. We better hurry and find another one to bash, or we will lose our standing in Bashers of America's Stock Tickers And Rumor Delivery (*******).
Ed you forgot to put the word Services at the end of your groups title. lol
Posted by Highwaychild on :
"Hello CMKX'rs.I hope the Fri. 8k gave you encouragement and opptimism to stay the course.Our auditor is is one of the best in the land and bodes well for how serious UC and TEAM are about obtaining full compliance with the SEC.Enjoy your weekend."
LOL, There you go pud!
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya i saw highway...lol the BEST AUDITOR IN THE LAND!!!!!....rotflmao. these clowns remind me of the old mighty mouse cartoons, they are coming to save the day. i find it strange, UC hires the best lawyers, auditors, management & its pps is .00005 & its about to be revoked. he should try hiring the worst it might help, the best ain't done squat
Posted by Highwaychild on :
LOL, I thought you did.
Posted by bill1352 on :
there is this female clown saying it's part of the "master plan". UC needed a judge to lay out just what was needed to get the SEC of their back. they needed a judge to be told exactly what was needed to comply. of all the lame excuses i've ever heard, that is near the top of the list. every poster on every cmkx board could have told UC that a yr ago but it was UC's plan to get right next to revoked so that he was sure he knew what was needed. by doing this it would stick it to the mm's & hedge funds. this gal says she is some sort of engineering project manager, i'm hoping its for Tinker Toys because anything beyond that level of brain power would be dangerous for the unsuspecting public.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: "Hello CMKX'rs.I hope the Fri. 8k gave you encouragement and opptimism to stay the course.Our auditor is is one of the best in the land and bodes well for how serious UC and TEAM are about obtaining full compliance with the SEC.Enjoy your weekend."
LOL, There you go pud!
I'm staying the course....any course that will get me AWAY from CMKX and UC.....LOL
Posted by Highwaychild on :
With slim leaving with Elvis and all, it don't look good.Too little, too late I'm afraid. I Guess UC has a real fast get-away-car just in case.LOL
Posted by will on :
"female clown" "assclown circus"
"Do you want Dr. Diamonds, Green Baron, Willy Wizard, Sterling, Judy Cline, Accadacca, Carquest, Topogigo, and Jay Adobe to have their day in court?"
No. I want to see them in the center ring all getting out of the same VW Beatle.
Frigging clowns.
I met that Topogigio guy, god, what a piece of work that guy is. He could sell two color dogcrap , scented and unscented to your angry growling pitbull.
bill, they're all clowns.
What the heck is an "assclown", anyway?
Well, fellow puds, I have family obligations today. I'll be gone until later this evening. Even though it is the weekend I expect to come back to some good reading. Where's noah, he threatened to quit posting, did he? Oh, never mind, he'll be back, he's too stupid to move on, he likes his brains kicked in.
Posted by toddr545 on :
Hell, I don't know what a pud is, it just sounded good at the time. After a 6 of moosehead and some fine ahi sashimi, I just wanted to poke fun at you folks. back to lurking.
Posted by Upside on :
Keep poking, that's what we live for. Heck, I gave you 5 stars just because you called us puds.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:What the heck is an "assclown", anyway?
assclown (Assclownishness)
Definition: Someone who acts like a fool or total retard and or commits acts of assholishness.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Everybody gets all those 5 stars and I get nothing except 1 star! What the hell is going on here? Just remember, from day 1, I led you folks down the RIGHT path!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wallace, I gave you 5 just because you told me about HISC.....
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Just remember, from day 1, I led you folks down the RIGHT path!
Sir, while I agree that you are the current King Arthur of our bashers Round Table, I suggest you go way back to the original thread started by CashCowMoo. I was the only basher at the time long before there were any Wallace's, Will's, Ed's. Bill's, or other puds. At that time I was the king.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wallace, I gave you 5 just because you told me about HISC.....
Posted by ed19363 on :
oops
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I was the only basher at the time long before there were any Wallace's, Will's, Ed's. Bill's, or other puds. At that time I was the king." --------------------
What the hell are you talking about? You rode the rails so tight that you got butt burns! LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Nap time. Talk to you folks later.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:What the hell are you talking about? You rode the rails so tight that you got butt burns! LOL
You're not going far enough back good King. My rail riding days began later. In the original thread I was alone, fending off attacks daily from the original pumping group. As a matter of fact, Will was one of them, he hated me, well, he still does, but back then it was for different reasons. I was instrumental in his conversion, I think I cost him some money too which still pleases me to this day. My rail riding days began shortly after your arrival and our hostilities broke out which was probably because I could see the writing on the wall, I was being dethroned. Alas, all good things must pass, the reign of Upside was a short one but sweet nonetheless.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I dub thee NITE!
Posted by will on :
I dumb thee both !
Posted by bill1352 on :
Number 10 - Life is sexually transmitted. Number 9 - Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die. Number 8 - Men have two emotions: Hungry and Horny. If you see him not horney, make him a sandwich! Number 7 - Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks. Number 6 - Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. (I know some of these) Number 5 - Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. Number 4 - All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism. Number 3 - Why does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents? Number 2 - In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. AND THE NUMBER 1 THOUGHT FOR 2005: We know exactly where one cow with mad-cow-disease is located among the millions and millions of cows in America but we haven't got a clue as to where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are located. Maybe we should put the Department of Agriculture in charge of immigration.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: I dumb thee both !
Smart azz!!!
bill, "Number 10 - Life is sexually transmitted."
Now you tell me!! Bit late! LMAO at all of it.
Posted by bill1352 on :
pb32 has some value in its posts wallace...lol
Posted by Highwaychild on :
LOL! slpj tell it like it is,huh? "Rat's nest"...LOL!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
-BrainDamage -Global Moderator...
"allows all the different sides of the issues to be expressed"
"UC is a human being just like the rest of us, whether he ends up actually being saintly, demonic or someplace in-between" ******************************************************************* You have stirred up now, got mods attention and everything... Just struck me as funny,Guy has a point...
Posted by Highwaychild on :
LMAO! Bill wrote(over there):
"cmkx has been great entertainment when i sit with a cup of coffee after work or on rainy days like today. i figure i should get something for the money i lost on this POS."
I agree, I'm getting something out of it too dang it(along with my free shares).
I'm riding it out.Come on lawers/auditors!!!LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
I got one on mad cows too....
1.. My husband and I divorced over religious differences. He thought he was God and I didn't. 2.. I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. 3.. I Work Hard Because Millions On Welfare Depend on Me! 4.. Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them. 5.. I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. 6.. Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive. 7.. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me 8.. Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. 9.. Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. 10.. I'm not a complete idiot -- Some parts are missing. 11.. Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. 12. NyQuil, the stuffy, sneezy, why-the-heck-is-the-room-spinning medicine. 13.. God must love stupid people; He made so many. 14.. The gene pool could use a little chlorine. 15.. Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. 16.. Ever stop to think, and forget to start again? 17.. Being "over the hill" is much better than being under it! 18.. Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew up. 19.. Procrastinate Now! 20.. I Have a Degree in Liberal Arts; Do You Want Fries With That? 21.. A hangover is the wrath of grapes. 22.. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance 23.. Stupidity is not a handicap. Park elsewhere! 24..They call it PMS because MadCow Disease was already taken. 25..He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead. 26..A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up three thousand times the memory. 27..Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. 28.. The trouble with life is there's no background music. 29.. The original point and click interface was a Smith and Wesson. 30.. I smile! because I don't know what the hell is going on.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
ed,
LLH at all of them. The following in particular:
13.. God must love stupid people; He made so many. NOTE: Puts me in mind of the faithful CMKXers.
15.. Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. NOTE: Puts me in mind of myself!
Posted by derek111c on :
LOL, can't believe that one.
Number 6 - Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
This one's me...
6.. Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.
And this one,reminds me of last nights poker game (I killed it too,broke 3 of my peps,lol)
21.. A hangover is the wrath of grapes.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by derek111c: LOL, can't believe that one.
Number 6 - Some people are like a Slinky.....not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Hell, derek, that's me too. About 2 yrs ago I DID tumble down the stairs! Broke 4 ribs and guarantee you I wasn't smiling. Never experienced that kind of pain before.
Leave it to bill to point out another of my liabilities.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Glad u guys liked em...tomorrow back to the bashing grind....LOL Nite all.
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: I got one on mad cows too....
1.. My husband and I divorced over religious differences. He thought he was God and I didn't. 2.. I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. 3.. I Work Hard Because Millions On Welfare Depend on Me! 4.. Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them. 5.. I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. 6.. Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive. 7.. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me 8.. Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. 9.. Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. 10.. I'm not a complete idiot -- Some parts are missing. 11.. Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. 12. NyQuil, the stuffy, sneezy, why-the-heck-is-the-room-spinning medicine. 13.. God must love stupid people; He made so many. 14.. The gene pool could use a little chlorine. 15.. Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. 16.. Ever stop to think, and forget to start again? 17.. Being "over the hill" is much better than being under it! 18.. Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew up. 19.. Procrastinate Now! 20.. I Have a Degree in Liberal Arts; Do You Want Fries With That? 21.. A hangover is the wrath of grapes. 22.. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance 23.. Stupidity is not a handicap. Park elsewhere! 24..They call it PMS because MadCow Disease was already taken. 25..He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead. 26..A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up three thousand times the memory. 27..Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. 28.. The trouble with life is there's no background music. 29.. The original point and click interface was a Smith and Wesson. 30.. I smile! because I don't know what the hell is going on.
I don't usually post here, but thas some funny chit...good lines in there...
GLTA, BT
Posted by Ric on :
Well, got me a good one this morning, CALI. Nice to have a 85% morning. Could use a couple more this week.
I guess Legal ran off. I haven't seen him since he said that he would leave. I thought he had a thicker skin then that to let someone run him away.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Didn't run away Ric, it's just too late in the game to talk about it anymore.
Posted by Upside on :
The game's over? I missed the last pitch? When did that happen?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Final score SEC-9 CMKX-0
Shutout
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Blitzed!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm thinkin cmkx owes a few runs...lol wallace, had to defend hisc today on the wftv thread. might be our new stock to bash. they have dumped about 1.2 billion shares into the o/s over the last 2 months & are still printing. guy said HISC is headed to .01 next...i think .10 maybe .08 at the end of the week, early next week on profit taking but not .01. this guy thinks 1.4 billion shares will see .01 1.5 billion by next week.
Posted by Upside on :
I see SGGM resumed trading today and promptly fell a mere 98.89%. Boy, you've sure gotta hand it to old Urban, everything he touches turns to gold. A modern day King Midas.
Posted by bill1352 on :
SGGM doesn't have an OG in its court... only kissin cousins....with the OG it would have hit .0001 today
Posted by Ric on :
Man, I hate to be the one thats stuck with sggm. Talk About a free fall. A penny one minute then .0001 the next and I bet that it falls further. .00004
Posted by bill1352 on :
ric...ya see the pb32 chit? SGGM on nasdaq & should be $5 a share, UCA is mining uranium in canada already because they have a permit to explore, SGGM has a gold mine i guess only the form is delisted & archived. going thru those threads is like shooting fish in a barrel. in the thread i started yesterday the last post said it would be nice if i stated facts...lol. i guess they don't consider pr's & court transcripts as fact because thats all i brought up. now somebody posted some code for the SGGM halt as a 400 code which is supposed to mean liquidation???... not sure where that came from but from .01 to .0001 it would make sense..lol
Posted by Highwaychild on :
SGGM... something isn't it? They only had 3 trades today... Time------- Price------- Volume 14:56:22--- 0.0001--- 3,000 for $0.30
14:04:34--- 0.0001--- 400 for $0.04
12:15:43--- 0.008--- 1,000 for $8.00
Real legitimate trades.LOL Looks like they're in front of the firing squad.
Posted by Ric on :
Yeah was just reading on RB thread on sggm. They are saying that it will reverse and run over a penny. The sad thing is I actually believe this person thinks that. Is it a prerequisite before you can buy a stock UC is involved with, you must have lost your mind or sense of reality.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Seems to me I remember legal touting SGGM stock not that very long ago when the SEC halted began action against CMKX. Looks like another bummer for the faithful, huh.
Posted by will on :
How many days left?
Posted by Ric on :
Well, I guess there is one born every minute. I believe someone in here said every second where cmkx is concerned. Now this is funny. Wonder how many will fall for this. I did starout the web address. I seen no use in including it on allstocks site.
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If you have any questions regarding Rogue357's offer or about the SurveyScout site, either reply to this thread or PM Rogue357 and he will answer you.
The Bottom Line If you want to earn extra money from home and also support the CMKX Owners Group, just click on the following link, become a Member and your $34.95 Membership fee will be forwarded to the CMKX Owners Group. If you want to spread the word to family, friends, and associates, do so by providing them with the following link: http://************************.net [Note: using the special link above will automatically credit all Membership Fees to the CMKX Owners Group; therefore, if you are going to pass this interersting money-making opportunity on to others, please give them the link above]
As Bill Frizzells says...
ONWARD!
CDLIC
PS. This idea has been run by John Martin. Although he stated to me that as the founder of the CMKX Owners Group, he cannot endorse any company, he is open to accepting donations.
PPS. I ran the SurveyScout idea by Braindamage; he is in favor of it and supports the concept and the posting of it on the Board.
PPPS. I am going to ask Canuck if we could start a new Forum whereby Members may post other ideas by which to drive donations and money to the CMKX Owners Group. If you have any thoughts regarding such, for now, please reply in this thread.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Scam after scam after scam after SCAM!
Posted by will on :
Pretty soon Abbott and Costello will be wetting their beaks somehow, and they're DEAD !
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Who's on first?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Who's on first?
Highway,
Have you finally been converted to our way of thinking?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Well, I've been had by better companies *cough*,*cough*, Worldcom!... But I never quite got this much entertainment on that one.But like I say, I have some free shares on CMKX so what the heck, I havn't much to loose.I do hope CMKX pulls it off just to spite you Shake... I mean Wallace,but do I expect them to,no.
Posted by will on :
Shakeman ! LOL !!
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm wondering how USCA escaped anything more then a halt. they have yet to file unless i missed something. ya think maybe a little back door file exchange with the SEC on cmkx & sggm saved them? maybe a little open book look to the SEC & the book had certain info on the rest of the gang? if i remember correctly USCA was halted for misleading info in prs. unless it was cooked books that normally doesn't go very far past fines but no fines & the next thing ya know cmkx & sggm are on the clock & USCA's prez has memory lapse on the stand & gets a pass for it. USCA also came out before cmkx's 8k & stated no kimberlite found in amounts worth looking further into or in easy terms NO VALUE.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well suprize suprize...i was banned from pb32...lmao. as ric copied here i had followed a guys post with a profane word in it. i was pm'ed to change it, i did but i didn't change the part about my opinion that UC has cheated shareholders. i was told in 1 post i could get sued for slander & in another that i had no facts. so i posted the fact that everything i said was in pr's, court transcripts & the divy page from OTCBB. i said everything was fact except my opinion that UC cheated every shareholder. i stated that with what is known today UC would need to prove me wrong because as of right now my opinion is backed by fact. i guess they just can't take the heat over there. just too easy to punch holes in their theories. well god bless'em, may their families forgive them for losing so much cash on a pink sheet scam. oh & legal you can post this over there with my blessings because i'm guessing your posting of something i said from here earier today is what banned me, how foolish some of the ideas ppl had there today were.
Posted by will on :
I'm proud of you , bill !
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Congrats bill!!! As far as I know voicing one's opinion cannot be construed as slander. I agree with your opinion. My opinion is that UC scammed and cheated CMKX shareholders too. Go back and tell them I said so! LOL Isn't that pb32 where foul mouth, trailer trash, scum bag JBCak hangs out now? And, they banned you???
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Shakeman ! LOL !!
BUY HISC!!! Should go above .15 tomorrow.
NOTE; THIS IS A PUMP!
PS: I need the $$$$s. Help me, help me, help......
Posted by Ric on :
Just got through reading your blantant bashing. If I was them, I would have banned you after the second page. You should be ashamed of yourself.
As the great Cable Guy said: "Now thats funny, I don't care what you say, thats funny."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good night, my friends. You too, will and Upside.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Good night, my friends. You too, will and Upside.
Now wait a minute here....Hey Will, did you see this?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: well suprize suprize...i was banned from pb32...lmao. as ric copied here i had followed a guys post with a profane word in it. i was pm'ed to change it, i did but i didn't change the part about my opinion that UC has cheated shareholders. i was told in 1 post i could get sued for slander & in another that i had no facts. so i posted the fact that everything i said was in pr's, court transcripts & the divy page from OTCBB. i said everything was fact except my opinion that UC cheated every shareholder. i stated that with what is known today UC would need to prove me wrong because as of right now my opinion is backed by fact. i guess they just can't take the heat over there. just too easy to punch holes in their theories. well god bless'em, may their families forgive them for losing so much cash on a pink sheet scam. oh & legal you can post this over there with my blessings because i'm guessing your posting of something i said from here earier today is what banned me, how foolish some of the ideas ppl had there today were.
Bill sorry you got banned. Really. I felt that you might actually start to see there is more to this stock if you hung around there a little while. And I haven't reposted anything you said here today.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Dont feel bad, Bill. PB32 is just a bunch of Koolaid drinkers anyway. They dont want to know the truth about UC. Now I understand the NSS info has been turned over to the FBI. This is a two-edged sword. When the FBI does an investigation, UC will be included. Best chance we have for him to find out how it feels to be a prisoner instead of a guard. GOT FBI??
Posted by Upside on :
Wonder how all those shareholders feel about having all their information on file with the FBI?
Posted by legaleagle on :
The honest ones feel fine.
Posted by Just Looking on :
"Honest" by whose definition?
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: The honest ones feel fine.
Posted by will on :
C'mon, a guy buys a stock, how in the heck does it make him dishonest by anyone's definition. The problem comes when they fall in love with it, and all signs are pointing downward, and they continue to pump it. That's the only deceptive practice with some people, not the purchase of a stock. Now, those knuckleheads that received free shares to pump it, well, maybe that's who you're referring to ???
Posted by ed19363 on :
Somebody should sweep CMKX under a rug. There are so many opportunities out there, it doesnt make sense to waste time on this scam. IMO, think I'll take a break from this thread until something important happens, if ever. This is distracting me from making money in real stocks....LOL
Posted by stockster5 on :
what's with sggm, I thought it was halted???
Posted by ed19363 on :
Nah, UC was involved with it, so it took a dive like CMKX.
Posted by Ric on :
Was reading on the CT board.
Something I do find funny though about the CT is that investing is a form of legalized gambling that I really don't think god would promote. Not saying that you would go to he11 for investing but may faith would not allow me to believe that god would draw me to or give me a vision to a stock. But then there is CMKX. It has deceived, whether you think that its a small deception or not but they have. They lied about the o/s. They lied on a form 15. They lied about the address of the company. These are facts every how small you might think they are, a lie is a lie to god. I believe there are many other lies too but the cult seems to not want to believe those. But why would god lead you to a company that its CEO lies to its shareholders and refuses them basic information so they know the truth? Well, just an observation from reading some posts on CT.
Posted by Ric on :
Halts are only for 10 days by the SEC rules. It takes a revocation or a suspension to be longer then 10 days and you must get a hearing for that to happen. A hearing has been set and if the Judge finds there is evidence to revoke or suspend then it is longer or for good.
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: what's with sggm, I thought it was halted???
Posted by Doctoall on :
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan York" To: cmkxshareholders Subject: [CMKX Shareholders Assoc] Demonstration Planned at DTCC - July 29, 2005 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:21:47 -0500
Demonstration Planned at DTCC - July 29, 2005 by Mark Faulk Counterfeit Conspiracy documentary to educate fellow Americans on acts of Financial Terrorism being committed against our country!
Join us in front of the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation building at 55 WATER STREET, NEW YORK, NY 10041 on July 29th, 2005 at 10am to help educate America on this act of terrorism.
We have a counterfeiting problem in the United States of America that has corrupted our markets, ruined our small businesses, has and is destroying college funds, savings accounts, 401Ks, jobs and our American economy. It is as damaging to our countrys financial strength as putting counterfeit money on the streets and just as illegal!
As we all know, the counterfeiting of anything of monetary value is illegal. It is a crime that is punished to the full extent of the law because of how much harm it can cause every single American citizen.
The crime that we are talking about is the counterfeiting of U.S. securities, or more commonly known as Naked Short Selling. This is a counterfeiting crime and it must be stopped and the violators must be brought to justice, it is weakening our country.
Did you know that brokers in foreign countries are selling stock in American companies that are counterfeit? It would be like you owning 100% of your own business and several other people from different countries claiming they own your business too, many times over. Only in this scenario, when the business fails because of this crime, the crooks make off with all the money and no one is stopping them!
"We the People" of the United States of America are demanding that our government take action! If you need to know what this crime is and how it happens, we will educate you. If you need the help of "We the People", we will help you. But America cannot wait for politics, we need action on this matter and we need it now!
How can you help your country? You can join us in front of the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation building at 55 WATER STREET, NEW YORK, NY 10041 on July 29th, 2005 at 10am to protest this crime and help educate America.
Please visit us at www.CounterfeitConspiracy.com to sign up to join us in New York and to be part of the solution. We need all Americans to unite together in this cause.
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Posted by will on :
Yea, they'll have 30 people there like our good friend noah had at the SEC demonstration. Expected 50,000, had 30. LOL
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Yea, they'll have 30 people there like our good friend noah had at the SEC demonstration. Eaxpected 50,000, had 30. LOL
There is no hope for these poeple they have replaced their blood with kool-aid. Noah is the ring leader of crazy It's truly amazing how brainwashed these people are, you have to give Urban credit he is a good brainwasher and scammer.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Was reading on the CT board.
Something I do find funny though about the CT is that investing is a form of legalized gambling that I really don't think god would promote. Not saying that you would go to he11 for investing but may faith would not allow me to believe that god would draw me to or give me a vision to a stock. But then there is CMKX. It has deceived, whether you think that its a small deception or not but they have. They lied about the o/s. They lied on a form 15. They lied about the address of the company. These are facts every how small you might think they are, a lie is a lie to god. I believe there are many other lies too but the cult seems to not want to believe those. But why would god lead you to a company that its CEO lies to its shareholders and refuses them basic information so they know the truth? Well, just an observation from reading some posts on CT.
Ric, perhaps you forgot that Jesus gave an example of three stewards who were to invest their masters money while he was gone. Two made investments that earned a good return and were rewarded. One hid the money and was criticized severely.
Christians are charged with being good stewards, and it's obvious from that Scripture that God has no problem with ownership of businesses through investment.
I don't see it as a gamble because I do not see Urban as a liar or a cheat. I believe he invested my money in exploration.....the thing he was supposed to do. I believe that he continues to operate in the secrecy that is necessary when so many people want to take away what rightfully belongs to Urban and the shareholders. That void of information opens the door to people like those here, who take advantage of that void to fill it with whatever serves their agenda.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall:
quote:Originally posted by will: Yea, they'll have 30 people there like our good friend noah had at the SEC demonstration. Eaxpected 50,000, had 30. LOL
There is no hope for these poeple they have replaced their blood with kool-aid. Noah is the ring leader of crazy It's truly amazing how brainwashed these people are, you have to give Urban credit he is a good brainwasher and scammer.
Noah appreciates being called a leader, and also appreciates you posting the message above for the rally he is helping to organize.
Posted by legaleagle on :
SGGM up 15,000%. Hope you got in yesterday. Not bad for a stock coming off suspension and facing a hearing. Oh wait a minute you guys were bashing the stock yesterday. Never mind.
Posted by Upside on :
Not to turn this into a religious conversation because I realize some are adamantly opposed to it but, there are many who do claim to have been drawn to this stock by God. Have you ever wondered that if true, just what the reason might be? The obvious answer is that the stock will have a huge pay off and much good will come of it. Have you ever considered that perhaps there's another reason for it? Perhaps to teach a harsh lesson regarding greed? Or maybe to show how easy one can be deceived? Could be any number of reasons and I'm not trying to rile anyone by saying it, just food for thought.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall:
quote:Originally posted by will: Yea, they'll have 30 people there like our good friend noah had at the SEC demonstration. Eaxpected 50,000, had 30. LOL
There is no hope for these poeple they have replaced their blood with kool-aid. Noah is the ring leader of crazy It's truly amazing how brainwashed these people are, you have to give Urban credit he is a good brainwasher and scammer.
Noah appreciates being called a leader, and also appreciates you posting the message above for the rally he is helping to organize.
Being the ring leader of a cult is hardly a compliment, just another sign of your loss of reality. You truly need help getting your meds adjusted. Rally, what a crock, yep a bunch of fools who lost touch with reality, like they will even notice you fools Posted by xyz on :
There are still people that haven't figured out what this is? That is really hard to believe. It is right there in front of your face. This is/was/will continue to be a scam.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by xyz: There are still people that haven't figured out what this is? That is really hard to believe. It is right there in front of your face. This is/was/will continue to be a scam.
And that kind of thinking is probably what placed you at the end of the alphabet.
Posted by legaleagle on :
He may have led us for any number of reasons, UP. But the thing is, that whatever His reason, it will be for the good of the individual believer. I may not receive any financial blessings, but look at all the good friends I have made here.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:I may not receive any financial blessings, but look at all the good friends I have made here.
Wallace & Will?
Posted by bill1352 on :
legaleagle Member
Member Rated: posted July 19, 2005 15:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He may have led us for any number of reasons, UP. But the thing is, that whatever His reason, it will be for the good of the individual believer. I may not receive any financial blessings, but look at all the good friends I have made here.
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ok with the freinds part but that comment on not getting any financial rewards is getting close to bashing legal...you'll get banned for that kind of stuff everywhere but here...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:I may not receive any financial blessings, but look at all the good friends I have made here.
Wallace & Will?
They're just a couple of old softies under that coarse exterior. They really love me.
Posted by legaleagle on :
WOW what happened to HISC down 30%? Wasn't that yesterday's pump. Better stick to bashing.
Posted by tntrader on :
Die thread, DIE!
Posted by tntrader on :
In all honesty, think having this blasted thread at the top of this great forum is an insult.
Maybe CMKX should have it's own forum here at allstocks...
Posted by legaleagle on :
TN, betting CMKX is the longest living thread on Allstocks. QBID may be close, but long after QBID is gone, there will still be a CMKX thread, though it may be called by a different symbol (hint). Somethings take on a "life" of their own. LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
say you find 10K ppl that invest in stocks without paying someone to pick their stocks. you tell them the KNOWN facts about cmkx without the name or pps.....guy reverse merges into a stock, first filing comes due, its late, file extention. second filing due, first still not in but file extention stating all previous filings have been filed, (first lie) a few months later a form 15 is filed stating 300 or less shareholders of record in the middle of corperate yr meaning the 2 missing reports & the next 2 filings still must be made, can't stop filing in the middle of a fiscal yr., but they never come. for 1 yr ceo claims working towards filing, getting close ahead of schedule. SEC calls about form 15 that was filed 17 months after it was filed. 2 months later company says Opps, we had 698 shareholders of record, that form 15 was wrong. don't even tell them the SEC wants to revoke but point out thatinfo was obtained stating that the company gave 360 ppl & 29 companies over 4 billion shares 6 months before filing form 15. point out that the o/s hit a high of 779 billion shares & was currently 703 billion shares. at least 30% of those ppl will start laughing, at least 50% will ask how much jail time the CEO got, about 20% will point out just how risky the market is. at best 5 ppl might ask what the company business is out of 10K. tell them about 5,000 to 10,000 ppl believe with all their heart this stock will make them rich & buy all they can & those that were laughing will hurt themselves laughing harder most will make some comment about those ppl being crazy but not 1 will buy cmkx. all will tell you its a scam. then tell them its about 21 days from being revoked & the cult is still buying & a number will ask how ppl can buy stocks from a nut house.
legal, thats the group your in & you think i might change my mind about cmkx & then be a part of that group??? all i can say legal is, Which nut house are you in????...lol
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: WOW what happened to HISC down 30%? Wasn't that yesterday's pump. Better stick to bashing.
After selling at .13 it dropped so I could buy more. I like making $1300 on each transaction, might even try it a third time. More than I ever made on CRAP....errr....CMKX. Hey, isnt that the new symbol?
Posted by bill1352 on :
legaleagle Member
Member Rated: posted July 19, 2005 16:36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOW what happened to HISC down 30%? Wasn't that yesterday's pump. Better stick to bashing.
===========================
of course it did legal....3 months ago it was under a penny. you could buy 1 million shares for $3K...it hit .15 today. thats serious profit & not many will pass that much money up to hold. a lot of free shares were earned today i'll bet. in a few weeks it will be back over .10 unless big news hits first.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: say you find 10K ppl that invest in stocks without paying someone to pick their stocks. you tell them the KNOWN facts about cmkx without the name or pps.....guy reverse merges into a stock, first filing comes due, its late, file extention. second filing due, first still not in but file extention stating all previous filings have been filed, (first lie) a few months later a form 15 is filed stating 300 or less shareholders of record in the middle of corperate yr meaning the 2 missing reports & the next 2 filings still must be made, can't stop filing in the middle of a fiscal yr., but they never come. for 1 yr ceo claims working towards filing, getting close ahead of schedule. SEC calls about form 15 that was filed 17 months after it was filed. 2 months later company says Opps, we had 698 shareholders of record, that form 15 was wrong. don't even tell them the SEC wants to revoke but point out thatinfo was obtained stating that the company gave 360 ppl & 29 companies over 4 billion shares 6 months before filing form 15. point out that the o/s hit a high of 779 billion shares & was currently 703 billion shares. at least 30% of those ppl will start laughing, at least 50% will ask how much jail time the CEO got, about 20% will point out just how risky the market is. at best 5 ppl might ask what the company business is out of 10K. tell them about 5,000 to 10,000 ppl believe with all their heart this stock will make them rich & buy all they can & those that were laughing will hurt themselves laughing harder most will make some comment about those ppl being crazy but not 1 will buy cmkx. all will tell you its a scam. then tell them its about 21 days from being revoked & the cult is still buying & a number will ask how ppl can buy stocks from a nut house.
legal, thats the group your in & you think i might change my mind about cmkx & then be a part of that group??? all i can say legal is, Which nut house are you in????...lol
Bill if those investors understood a diamond exploration company and read FIRE INTO ICE, about Fipke, chances are they would invest.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...i think i can hear 10,000 ppl rotfltao after that comment...lol
Posted by will on :
Big big difference, Fipke worked hard for 20+ years. Was actually out there beating the bush, and managing people in a real effort to find diamonds. Your pal,Urban, was busy diluting, printing, and spending. Fipke worked at real exploration.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is a Fipke?
Posted by will on :
"Wallace & Will?"
"They're just a couple of old softies under that coarse exterior. They really love me."
C'mon man, make up your mind. Just the other night you were telling your pals over at CT the Anti-Christ, evil, hateful, one was coming to get them.
Posted by will on :
Go google him ed.
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is a Fipke?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Will do....sounds like one of those ice-skating moves....triple Fipke??
Posted by will on :
You'll be impressed. The guy worked like a dog, never gave up. Made a lot of people rich along the way. These puke eaters have Urban confused with him.
Posted by will on :
Yea, puke eaters ! you read right. Dr D and the others at the top of the CMKX bullchit food chain, eat, puke, and/or defecate their bullchit, and the puke eaters gobble it up. and try to convince everyone it tastes good.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Anyone who doesn't know who Fipke is, could hardly say they understand diamond exploration. Read the book about "secrecy" and "disinformation". Urban says it's his "bible". That would make it essential DD for an investor.
Posted by justplayin on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Yea, puke eaters ! you read right. Dr D and the others at the top of the CMKX bullchit food chain, eat, puke, and/or defecate their bullchit, and the puke eaters gobble it up. and try to convince everyone it tastes good.
All I can say to that is "WOW". LMFAO
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Yea, puke eaters ! you read right. Dr D and the others at the top of the CMKX bullchit food chain, eat, puke, and/or defecate their bullchit, and the puke eaters gobble it up. and try to convince everyone it tastes good.
Were you saying I "mistook" you for the anti-christ? LOL
Posted by will on :
"Were you saying I "mistook" you for the anti-christ? LOL"
See, there you again, confusing insensitive honesty with hate.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Were you saying I "mistook" you for the anti-christ? LOL
Well, I'm not taking sides in this good vs. evil battle going on here but that was pretty funny. Isn't that called hitting the nail squarely on the head?
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Anyone who doesn't know who Fipke is, could hardly say they understand diamond exploration. Read the book about "secrecy" and "disinformation". Urban says it's his "bible". That would make it essential DD for an investor.
What I know about diamond exploration is about the same I know about Einstein's Theory of Relativity. However, I do know a considerable amount about the stock market, and I'll say this: Maybe UC would get his nose out of his "bible" long enough to learn how to file financial reports and this crap wouldnt have gotten this far. Now all we have to look forward to is revocation, thanks to the fat man. What I've seen so far is two little diamond chips. Think maybe UC is reading the wrong chapter??
Posted by ed19363 on :
Then again, maybe Fipke didnt lead everyone on with lies like UC did.....
Soon....close....to das moon....yeah, right !!
Posted by will on :
Upside wrote: "Well, I'm not taking sides in this good vs. evil battle going on here but that was pretty funny. Isn't that called hitting the nail squarely on the head?"
You know pal, you're pretty good at not taking sides. You politaclly correct punk. There is one level of subhuman after the second echelon puke eaters. It is reserved for guys like you that have the conviction of punkass whimp.
Posted by justplayin on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Upside wrote: "Well, I'm not taking sides in this good vs. evil battle going on here but that was pretty funny. Isn't that called hitting the nail squarely on the head?"
You know pal, you're pretty good at not taking sides. You politaclly correct punk. There is one level of subhuman after the second echelon puke eaters. It is reserved for guys like you that have the conviction of punkass whimp.
Will, don't hold back! Tell us all how you REALLY feel. LOL
Posted by will on :
Well playin, I would have been more hateful if he wasn't my friend.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:You know pal, you're pretty good at not taking sides. You politaclly correct punk. There is one level of subhuman after the second echelon puke eaters. It is reserved for guys like you that have the conviction of punkass whimp.
I'm not even in the top tier of "puke eaters"? Man, that hurts. You cut me there Will, you cut me deep.
Posted by will on :
"I'm not even in the top tier of "puke eaters"? Man, that hurts. You cut me there Will, you cut me deep."
You're like those little fish that swim around sharks and clean up eating their spittle. Or the other fish that clean parasites from other fish at a cleaning station.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hotel Info: The Holiday Inn at 15 Gold Street is within walking distance of the rally and we have a discounted rate there of $200 (and change) per night including all taxes. Hotel Link HOLIDAY INN NEW YORK CITY HOTELS | MANHATTAN-WALL STREET DISTRICT | Official Hotel Site
W: More money to spend and legal's supporting it as he stated above. $200 + change (and that change includes, bell boys, tax and tips). Then comes the food part....probably at least another $100 or more. What else for the faithful fools?
Ric, perhaps you forgot that Jesus gave an example of three stewards who were to invest their masters money while he was gone. Two made investments that earned a good return and were rewarded. One hid the money and was criticized severely.
W: So making more money was the most important thing to Jesus? Didn't leave room for all the alternatives in his example, did he? What if one of the other two had lost money with his investment? What if the one who hid the money was hiding it so the other two wouldn't steal it? What if the other two lost all the money in their investments? Dumb ass example!!! Really thought he was a bit brighter!
[ July 19, 2005, 18:31: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
What was that Upside said about "head"? Is he making advances again?
legal,
luv ya man!!! Idiot fool or not!
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: TN, betting CMKX is the longest living thread on Allstocks. QBID may be close, but long after QBID is gone, there will still be a CMKX thread, though it may be called by a different symbol (hint). Somethings take on a "life" of their own. LOL
Yep CMKX is just like a bad fungus Posted by will on :
"Yep CMKX is just like a bad fungus"
Like the one King Harod had, the guy from the Bible.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: WOW what happened to HISC down 30%? Wasn't that yesterday's pump. Better stick to bashing.
Not the least bit worried, legal. I got in at .004 some time ago. Even at today's close (which is bound to go up) I have made a killing. In fact, just like you faithful, I bought more at .09. BUY HISC. THAT WAS A PUMP!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Hotel Info: The Holiday Inn at 15 Gold Street is within walking distance of the rally and we have a discounted rate there of $200 (and change) per night including all taxes. Hotel Link HOLIDAY INN NEW YORK CITY HOTELS | MANHATTAN-WALL STREET DISTRICT | Official Hotel Site
W: More money to spend and legal's supporting it as he stated above. $200 + change (and that change includes, bell boys, tax and tips). Then comes the food part....probably at least another $100 or more. What else for the faithful fools?
Ric, perhaps you forgot that Jesus gave an example of three stewards who were to invest their masters money while he was gone. Two made investments that earned a good return and were rewarded. One hid the money and was criticized severely.
W: So making more money was the most important thing to Jesus? Didn't leave room for all the alternatives in his example, did he? What if one of the other two had lost money with his investment? What if the one who hid the money was hiding it so the other two wouldn't steal it? What if the other two lost all the money in their investments? Dumb ass example!!! Really thought he was a bit brighter!
PS: Oh, and forgot about transportation, tolls, etc. How much more cost?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Shhhh....dont let Richard Cranium learn about HISC....he might try to ruin it....
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace the trip to NY is quite expensive, just like DC. But some people are willing to make the sacrifice to clean up the mess in the market, thank God. But I know, "They also serve, who sit and bitch."
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:You're like those little fish that swim around sharks and clean up eating their spittle. Or the other fish that clean parasites from other fish at a cleaning station.
So now I'm a parasite eater at a cleaning station? Man, how low can I go?
Posted by justplayin on :
Next thing, they will call you a lawyer for CMKX.
Is that low enough??
Posted by Upside on :
That's gotta be rock bottom. Even I'm not that low.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Or a CMKX pumper...now THAT's low....
Posted by will on :
I'm sure there is some filthy creature that cleans up the cleaning fish's waste, and that's right where you're heading, pal.
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Will:
quote:You're like those little fish that swim around sharks and clean up eating their spittle. Or the other fish that clean parasites from other fish at a cleaning station.
So now I'm a parasite eater at a cleaning station? Man, how low can I go?
Posted by bullish_pennystocks on :
thursday is the judegement day
Posted by Upside on :
Will, I have to ask a favor of you. Someday in the future when you're replying to someone here in your usual fit of rage, and you feel a tightness in your chest followed by clamp like pain, and your hands are just randomly hitting the keys typing meaningless letters, could you make sure your wife hits the reply button for you? I'll print that last post of yours out and read it when I deliver your eulogy. I'm sure I'll be asked to deliver it as to the best of my knowledge, there's no one else on the planet that actually likes you. Thanks.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bullish_pennystocks: thursday is the judegement day
Funny Car driver Jeff Arend and car owner Paul Smith no longer have a major sponsor following a mutual agreement to end their association with CMKX Diamonds following the 26th annual Mopar Mile-High NHRA Nationals in Denver. Arend and Smith have a complete and competitive turn-key Funny Car operation ready to go racing as soon as new funding can be acquired.
"I met with Urban Casavant in Las Vegas on Monday," said Arend, "and we decided that due to the ever escalating cost of running a race team at the level required to be competitive against today’s multi-car teams, it would be in everyone’s best interest to go our separate ways at this time."
Arend has enjoyed a successful 2005 NHRA POWERade Drag Racing season.
The 42-year-old Canadian native advanced to the final round in Bristol and made it to the semifinals in Chicago. Arend also qualified in the No. 2 spot in Englishtown with a career-best 4.792 at 322.19 mph. The former NHRA Funny Car national event champion also established himself as the best driver in the class at the starting line. Going into Denver, Arend had left first on his opponent 75 percent of the time during eliminations. He is currently 13th in the POWERade point standings, just 100 points out of the top 10.
"I want to extend my sincere thanks and gratitude to Urban Casavant for being instrumental in my return to racing a Funny Car," Arend said. "CMKX came on board with us early last year and with their help we’ve been able to build a solid, cohesive team that is capable of fielding a competitive and consistent running Funny Car. I also want to thank Vincent Ferrone from VF Trucking for all of his support this season. Paul Smith and I are still ready and willing to go racing at the drop of a hat, we just need to find the support to maintain and run our race car at the level needed to be competitive on the NHRA tour."
Urban Casavant commented from his Las Vegas home, "Jeff Arend, Paul Smith and the entire CMKXtreme Machine team have done a great job in representing us. It is an unfortunate situation but I feel at this time that it’s in the best interest of everyone involved."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Bigrod,
I'm not about to touch that comment under the picture in that post. With your user ID, you better not either! LOL
legal,
"But I know, "They also serve, who sit and bitch."
Yeah, I know legal. Thought you did a bit of "sit" too from time to time.
Posted by bullish_pennystocks on :
why so many people are interested in a stock that has been already revoked by the judge?
Posted by Ric on :
Well, it looks like UC can't sell more shares so now he can't afford his toy car. Got CMKX lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Urban Casavant commented from his Las Vegas home,..." --------------------
And, by now, could be CMKX's new office again! In reality, it probably is anyway.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "Urban Casavant commented from his Las Vegas home,..." --------------------
And, by now, could be CMKX's new office again! In reality, it probably is anyway.
And I for one hope that he has a new address soon, somewhere that has a view with bars Posted by stockster5 on :
I don't think UC will go anywhere that you want him to go. I think UC has his claws in sggm and gemm and both of them are popping perhaps due to the cmkx crap. UC will still be profiting from all of this. And laughing all the way to the bank. Too bad I didn't get some sggm and gemm when they were .0001.... but I sure wouldn't hold them past a month anyhow. Maybe that's too long considering so many sub penny stocks are baiting and switching.... "name change and incorporating another location then reverse splitting". Maybe UC really is sort of dumb... because he could've reverse split himself right out of trouble. Then again, I think the shares have to exist to do that.
Posted by bill1352 on :
stockster...at close yesterday the bid was .0001, the ask was .008 or .001 less then bid is today. it looks like it screamed today because the last trade yesterday was .0001 & the last today was a buy at ask of .014.
Posted by bill1352 on :
like ric stated...no shares to sell no reason to pump at the races. UC might even have to account for the cash spent. i really hope cmkx files, i want to see how paying for that car is listed. a mining company with no mine but a huge ad budgit...only in america, anywhere else he would be in jail by now. i do agree with the cult on 1 point, the SEC failed the shareholders, cmkx should have been halted when they filed for that second extention & stated they were current in all filings. a lot of ppl would not have lost so much money, there would be no cult. on the bright side there would be no cmkx to bash thus we would have missed all this entertainment...lol
Posted by Highwaychild on :
It's a regular paradox Bill. LOL,has been fun.It could of been funner if by luck it would have panned out.That's what I was betting on,luck,(wich I had the benefit, some free shares) since I bought in this thing.Bill, I seen on PB, someones been tring to beat you over the head with their keyboard today.LOL
Hey Doc, if UC was to get out of this mess,do you think CMKX'll do what SGGM did today?j/k
[ July 19, 2005, 21:46: Message edited by: Highwaychild ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hwy,
Sure wish this thing had worked out for you.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Thanks, there's always a next one. Lesson learned at least, buy on hype, sell on news.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i think i struck a nerve over there highway...lol but the cowards kicked me out. just can't stand having me post the fact that UC cheated them & me for that matter. i guess its another case proving the old saying...the truth hurts.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Oh yeah, And you can't fight City Hall.LOL
Posted by stockster5 on :
Weelll, sggm closed at .02 as far as I can tell. $100 buy at .0001 is 1 million shares 2 days ago, sell em today for 20000.00. Pretty good take for 2 days work I think. OF course. minus commissions and such. S5
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hey, I just went to PB32 to check posts, and guess what? They banned me too !!!!! So much for freedom of speech. I wont miss their swill anyway, especially legal's. This thing will be dead in a few days anyway. On to HISC, NCDP and other money makers. Long life to UC, may he rot in jail for at least 50 years.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
ed, you are in honorable company! Congrats!
Posted by will on :
"they are not worthy of any pearls either you, I or anyone else may cast before swine."
You're getting eloquent, Wallace. I like that !
...and I don't use prfanity either, never have. lol
Posted by ed19363 on :
And I didnt use any bad words either, unless you count SCAM as a bad word....ROFL.... Good riddance to bad rubbish, by removing them from my favorites, I'll save valuable drive space....
Posted by bill1352 on :
well thanks guys...i'm proud to be a member of the allstocks bashing crew & stated as much a few times over there. by the way just found something on the Sask. halt of CMKX i had not seen before...
This week regulators in Canada and the U.S. stood up and took notice of the unusual trading patterns that had been fueled by relentless hype. On October 26, 2004, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission issued a Temporary Order halting trading of CMKM stock until November 9th. The Temporary Order also suspended trading in shares of CMKM's affiliate, Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, and put a halt to securities trades by Urban Casavant (CMKM's President), David Desormeau (a one time, and perhaps present, director of CMKM) and Melvin A. O'Neil (CMKM's press contact).
The Temporary Order charges that Casavant, Desormeau and O'Neill made statements that contained misrepresentations in connection with their trades of CMKM stock that were neither properly registered nor exempted from registration. The Temporary Order may be extended beyond November 9th if the Commission does not receive satisfactory answers to its questions.
i guess uncle mel wasn't so squeaky clean. remember when this thread started a collection for his wife? & here he was selling unregistered securities. by the way isn't canada 1 of the big jump off points for naked shorting??? might it be the increases in o/s were to cover insider shorting in canada???
Posted by Highwaychild on :
stockster5, just yesterday there were 2 odd trades that would have netted pretty good cash today.
Posted by bill1352 on :
actually this article is a bit old but has some great points to it...some of which i never saw before. its about the buddy buddy chit between these clowns.
wallace, if they even think its you posting all he11 will break out. they know you quite well over there & were quick to point out we were buddies. i'm guessing you might get 5 or 6 posts in if your quick before you get flushed...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hell, bill, I don't give a damn. I would not lower myself to honor them with my presence or my intelligence. Their IQs must all be around 1 to 10.
PS: It wouldn't matter anyway. With their required agreement, I am sure the only ones who can post without proof is themselves. Then, the next requirement is that one agrees with them wholeheartedly whether the facts disagree with their positions or not.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well nite folks..long day tomorrow wrapped around another 300 mile drive. in fact including my 350 mile drive today i have about 15 more 300 mile drive days wrapped around 7 hrs of work. i need 1 of those single seater helicopters with a 150 mile per hr speed
wallace thanks for the back up. it was only a matter of time. as was pointed out to me many times, i brought nothing positive to their board. they didn't like my reply that there was nothing positive about cmkx to bring to their board....lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: bill,
For the very first time I went to that PB32 forum and saw what was said. The one that really should hang his head in shame is legaleagle(aka noahltl and James B). To have said you did not present facts is an outright lie and he knows it. And, if I remember correctly, he said he is some kind of Moderator there. If anything like the CT forum where he's a "Super Administrator", the title permits him to be a "Super Liar".
That fool doesn't know a fact when it slaps him in the face. I know you tried to bring reality, fact and reason to them. The problem is, they are truly in the dark and always will be as far as CMKX is concerned. They degrade themselves by being part of and posting on that site. What a bunch of azzholes....and I did read quite a few of their half-witted posts.
I was tempted to post, but changed my mind because they are not worthy of any pearls either you, I or anyone else may cast before swine.
Legal doesn't know a fact when he sees one. What he sees he distorts or makes big secrets of. I noticed you stated you do not use profanity. I use some and freely admit it, but try to temper it and keep it on the mild side. There is no word or words in all levels of profanity to describe the level of the scum on that board.
Be proud you did your duty and try to enlighten the ignorant mass there.
Wallace you have reached a new low in personal bashing.
Wallace: "To have said you did not present facts is an outright lie and he knows it."
On Bill's "Faithful vs Basher" thread, noahltl made one post. Here it is:
noahltl Diamondologist
member is online
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 474 Re: Faithful vs. Basher « Reply #10 on Jul 17, 2005, 10:41am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been listening and responding to bill's complaints for about a year now at Allstocks. It's always the same. He and a few others over there have a "messiah complex". They just want to "save us" from ourselves. They whined and complained and bashed individuals for so long over there, that most of the longs just left the board.
Since there are no longer any longs there to save from themselves, bill has become active here. He's really a pretty nice guy after you get over the same old "chant" of 703 billion, 703 billion, 703 billion. My hopes are that if he visits here enough he may discover that there is more to this company than meets the eye. He really hasn't had much of a chance to think about anything other than "negative" since that is the only "diet" allowed at Allstocks without attack.
BTW bill, your thoughts about jumping back into CMKX have one problem. If the stock is "locked down" by revocation, you won't be able to get back in. Time's running out for you, IMO. « Last Edit: Jul 17, 2005, 10:41am by noahltl »
And no he has never been a moderator or Admin at PB32 or said he was, but what's a little lie if it supports your hatred for a board that doesn't tolerate the bs that flows so freely here.
I also noticed that you had to come out from under your rock one more time to take a shot at the CT board. Admit it Wallace, it's not CT or me you hate, it is Christianity in general. This is just a convenient forum for you to spew that kind of hatred under the banner of simply being anti-CMKX. But it has gone on long enough now that I am sure even your merry men have been able to identify exactly what your agenda is here. It's hatred, pure and simple. Neither CT nor I can make up for whatever kind of hurt was done to you by a "Christian" or in the name of Christianity, but that kind of hatred is totally out of place on a stock board like this.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: "they are not worthy of any pearls either you, I or anyone else may cast before swine."
You're getting eloquent, Wallace. I like that !
...and I don't use prfanity either, never have. lol
Actually Wallace was using a quote from Jesus. Kinda ironic, huh?
Posted by BCmouser on :
I find it even more disgusting that some of these cultists even try to slip christianity on the side of this scam. Stealing is a sin - and matter how you slice it , UC and the boys stole your money and bought mansions , jade and funnycars. If you think he is holier than the rest of the cons out there you are sadly mistaken as are the rest of the CMKX koolaid crowd. Finally the CMKX circus is being put to rest. And hopefully justice will be done again when investors start class action suits against UC. JMHO
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: well thanks guys...i'm proud to be a member of the allstocks bashing crew & stated as much a few times over there. by the way just found something on the Sask. halt of CMKX i had not seen before...
This week regulators in Canada and the U.S. stood up and took notice of the unusual trading patterns that had been fueled by relentless hype. On October 26, 2004, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission issued a Temporary Order halting trading of CMKM stock until November 9th. The Temporary Order also suspended trading in shares of CMKM's affiliate, Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, and put a halt to securities trades by Urban Casavant (CMKM's President), David Desormeau (a one time, and perhaps present, director of CMKM) and Melvin A. O'Neil (CMKM's press contact).
The Temporary Order charges that Casavant, Desormeau and O'Neill made statements that contained misrepresentations in connection with their trades of CMKM stock that were neither properly registered nor exempted from registration. The Temporary Order may be extended beyond November 9th if the Commission does not receive satisfactory answers to its questions.
i guess uncle mel wasn't so squeaky clean. remember when this thread started a collection for his wife? & here he was selling unregistered securities. by the way isn't canada 1 of the big jump off points for naked shorting??? might it be the increases in o/s were to cover insider shorting in canada???
Bill really good DD there. A nine month old Hartley Bernstein "Stock Patrol" article.
But you really should know who is publishing things before you tout them:
LAWYER HARTLEY BERNSTEIN BARRED FROM OFFERINGS OF PENNY STOCK AND DENIED PRIVILEGE OF APPEARING OR PRACTICING BEFORE THE COMMISSION
Today the Commission issued an Order instituting and settling administrative proceedings against Hartley T. Bernstein, an attorney who formerly was a partner in the New York City law firm Bernstein & Wasserman, LLP. Bernstein consented to the Order without admitting or denying the Commission's findings that he willfully violated Section 17(a) of the Securities Act of 1933, Section 10(b) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and Rule 10b-5 thereunder, and a finding that he was previously enjoined from future violations of those provisions. The Order bars Bernstein from participating in any offering of penny stock pursuant to Section 15(b)(6) of the Exchange Act and denies him the privilege of appearing or practicing before the Commission pursuant to Rule 102(e) of the Commission's Rules of Practice. The Commission found that, with respect to public offerings of securities by five issuers, Bernstein was a selling shareholder who had preoffering agreements to sell his securities, including penny stock, at below-market prices to the underwriters of the offerings. The Commission found that Bernstein & Wasserman was counsel to the issuers and that Bernstein knew or was reckless in not knowing that the prospectuses for the five offerings were materially false and misleading in that they did not disclose his agreements. The Commission's Order follows a Commission injunctive action against Bernstein based on the same conduct, which he also settled without admitting or denying the Commission's allegations by agreeing to the injunction referred to above. See SEC v. Hartley T. Bernstein, 99 Civ. 3885, S.D.N.Y., May 27, 1999, LR-16163 May 27, 1999. (Rel. 34-41656; File No. 3-9939)
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by BCmouser: I find it even more disgusting that some of these cultists even try to slip christianity on the side of this scam. Stealing is a sin - and matter how you slice it , UC and the boys stole your money and bought mansions , jade and funnycars. If you think he is holier than the rest of the cons out there you are sadly mistaken as are the rest of the CMKX koolaid crowd. Finally the CMKX circus is being put to rest. And hopefully justice will be done again when investors start class action suits against UC. JMHO
BC, I'm sure you have complete documentation to back that up.
Posted by ed19363 on :
You know what, Legal? I wish there was a way to have you banned from this board. If PB32 can ban people only for their opinions, then you should not be allowed to post here. You are the only pumper who comes here. It doesnt matter because in a few days the revocation will become final and eventually CMKX will go away. Just a matter of time and PB32 will close down and nobody will talk about this scam anymore except in the context of history.
I can only hope that someday you will all get what is coming to you, not only for the pumping but for abridging our freedom of speech.
That being said, I will probably quit posting on this thread too. No reason to talk about the dead. There are too many GOOD stocks out there to be worried about this POS anymore.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
You of all people should know what a new low is. You meet those requirements almost every time you post anywhere.
You turkeys love to say someone hates or was hurt, huh. That was said to bill too over on PB32. There is no substance to you people on either CT or PB32 or any of those pro forums. You cannot think for yourselves. Whenever you even try, you get things all fkd up in your minds.
Enough said, legal. I have lost all respect for your thoughts and ideas.
As far as the religion you and people on the CT forum practice is concerned, you can keep it. You have no idea what a good, kind, caring, faithful, religious person is or could represent. STUFF IT!!!!
PS: And you DID say bill was not posting facts. If I remember correctly it was under the ID of James B or noah. If not, just call me mistaken....or even a liar if you wish.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: You know what, Legal? I wish there was a way to have you banned from this board. If PB32 can ban people only for their opinions, then you should not be allowed to post here. You are the only pumper who comes here. It doesnt matter because in a few days the revocation will become final and eventually CMKX will go away. Just a matter of time and PB32 will close down and nobody will talk about this scam anymore except in the context of history.
I can only hope that someday you will all get what is coming to you, not only for the pumping but for abridging our freedom of speech.
That being said, I will probably quit posting on this thread too. No reason to talk about the dead. There are too many GOOD stocks out there to be worried about this POS anymore.
ed, at the bottom of each post, there is a little symbol and "report this post". Click it on one my posts, and you can write directly to Bob Frey with all of your complaints.
Posted by will on :
C'mon ed, I know you have little use for CMKX, and no regard for legal, but you want to ban him? Stop yourself, quit being so selfish. Did you break your toys when you were a kid? Look at Wallace's post above. Now who else can rile him like that? I dislike legal's carrying ons too, I dislike his second echelon promoting and pumping, but if there's no legal then I'll have to turn on you, Wallace, Upside.... just to keep things interesting. LOL legal, I don't want you banned, you can offer your puke anytime.
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: You know what, Legal? I wish there was a way to have you banned from this board. If PB32 can ban people only for their opinions, then you should not be allowed to post here. You are the only pumper who comes here. It doesnt matter because in a few days the revocation will become final and eventually CMKX will go away. Just a matter of time and PB32 will close down and nobody will talk about this scam anymore except in the context of history.
I can only hope that someday you will all get what is coming to you, not only for the pumping but for abridging our freedom of speech.
That being said, I will probably quit posting on this thread too. No reason to talk about the dead. There are too many GOOD stocks out there to be worried about this POS anymore.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I, for one, do not believe in banning....unless it is someone like your friend and deputy JBCak (aka byrdturd and everything else). I am sure most here remember his being invited to join the CT board by Debi, others and maybe even yourself.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: I, for one, do not believe in banning....unless it is someone like your friend and deputy JBCak (aka byrdturd and everything else). I am sure most here remember his being invited to join the CT board by Debi, others and maybe even yourself.
Wallace you are so full of it. the byrd has never posted at CT. He left here to start a USCI board, and posts at PB32. The type of vile things he said here were not welcome, and they certainly wouldn't be welcome at CT. But, of course, if it suits your agenda just say whatever you want. Truth has no importance to you, and facts have little relevance.
Posted by bill1352 on :
first legal, i stated it was old. second i was told & banned for what was called slanderous statements i.e. UC cheated shareholders, this artilce names the ppl that commited what Sask called illegal trades. to do so must mean he read the report from Sask or else he would be liable for slander. the fact you dont like the guy has nothing to do with it. i don't like UC, i think he is crooked but when he makes a statement that can be backed up with fact i have to except it as true. if you take the time to read the entire article you would see that the info in it is backed by fact. like the comment from UC when he was with perto plus about visible gold in an ore sample that was shortly before UC was broomed from petro plus & sounds a lot like statements from uncle mel. this is opinion but i'd say UC found his master plan at petro plus.
Posted by will on :
I wish you would bring debbie back , noah, you know that woman of high moral stature, and Van, that goof. I don't think most people understood half of what he wrote, himself included. Bring 'em all back, let's have some real fun. Oh yea, and keep buying more CMKX, you're running out of time.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, it's not a matter of liking or disliking Hartley Berstein. He was banned from trading for manipulating pink stocks. That's why I posted the decision, it's about proof, not personal likes or dislikes. I posted the proof of what kind of guy Bernstein is, and your post revolves around the reliability of this guy and his yellow journalism rag.
I will give you that there was illegal trading going on. That is the whole point of the "premerger syndicate" and the sellers info that phxgold exposed. We know there was illegal trading by these insiders in an attempt to take over the company, but that doesn't reflect on Urban or Melvin. However there was a third person charged up there, Desormeau. The two year CMKX CFO that our SEC failed to subpoena.
Melvin had little idea what was going on with the company, any more than Andy does now. The second part of that Sask charge was "pumping". That is why Melvin was included. His Mt St Helens comments and others are being reviewed. But, if it does go off like Mt St Helens, then he wasn't wrong was he?
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: You know what, Legal? I wish there was a way to have you banned from this board. If PB32 can ban people only for their opinions, then you should not be allowed to post here. You are the only pumper who comes here. It doesnt matter because in a few days the revocation will become final and eventually CMKX will go away. Just a matter of time and PB32 will close down and nobody will talk about this scam anymore except in the context of history.
I can only hope that someday you will all get what is coming to you, not only for the pumping but for abridging our freedom of speech.
That being said, I will probably quit posting on this thread too. No reason to talk about the dead. There are too many GOOD stocks out there to be worried about this POS anymore.
ed, at the bottom of each post, there is a little symbol and "report this post". Click it on one my posts, and you can write directly to Bob Frey with all of your complaints.
You're not worth the time it would take. Have fun.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:I'll have to turn on you, Wallace, Upside.... just to keep things interesting
Ummm, didn't you take care of that yesterday, at least in regards to me, pal?
Posted by bill1352 on :
if Desormeau knew so much good stuff about cmkx why didn't stocklien call him? hakala stated she had illegal trading proof but did not bring such proof because the court hearing was not about that, it was about filing. now had it been about trading i'm sure he would have been called. what melvin knew about cmkx has nothing to do with selling shares illegally. but the fact that he used UC's petro plus line about core samples in 1 of his PT chats SHOULD wake ppl up. you say UC is a christian man, he has lied over & over again & each lie is in black & white, in prs, recordings, filings with the SEC. those around him have mislead ppl. they say 1 bad apple spoils a barrel, well UC's lies have caused a large number of honest ppl to lie to themselves & others in their posts on differant boards.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: if Desormeau knew so much good stuff about cmkx why didn't stocklien call him? hakala stated she had illegal trading proof but did not bring such proof because the court hearing was not about that, it was about filing. now had it been about trading i'm sure he would have been called. what melvin knew about cmkx has nothing to do with selling shares illegally. but the fact that he used UC's petro plus line about core samples in 1 of his PT chats SHOULD wake ppl up. you say UC is a christian man, he has lied over & over again & each lie is in black & white, in prs, recordings, filings with the SEC. those around him have mislead ppl. they say 1 bad apple spoils a barrel, well UC's lies have caused a large number of honest ppl to lie to themselves & others in their posts on differant boards.
If it were about trading he would have been called??? bill he was the CFO, this was about reporting. Of course he should have been called. He took care of the books that were in question. Stoecklein didn't call him for a few reasons. One reason was that it wasn't up to CMKX to prove anything, it was up to the SEC. Secondly, Desormeau's testimony would have led directly into the pre-merger syndicate and the "sellers" who could not be discussed or revealed under the forebearance agreement, without losing the company. They can only be revealed in a court of competent jurisdiction like a court of appeals. (hint) Otherwise the company would be lost to them.
It is obvious that the SEC had much to gain by at least deposing him. But for some reason they did not want the CFO's testimony to be revealed. If you want to understand what is going on, you really have to decide why the SEC didn't want the "best" financial witness to testify in a case that was all about "reporting" financials.
And I have never said that UC was a Christian. I have no idea if he is or not. I did hear that he became more spiritual after his stroke, but "spiritual" can have many connotations.
Posted by legaleagle on :
WALLACE APPARENTLY THIS IS THE POSTER YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT SORRY NOT ME. YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTED THAT THE POSTER IS FROM FLA. HOWEVER, IT IS A POST WORTHY OF REPEATING:
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James, everything in my posts on this thread come direct from either pr’s or the court proceedings. Look up the January 2003 pr about 650K acres of claims, all CMKX pr’s are on this board. The pr's state which claims are owned & by what companies and the % each holds. The USCA & SGGM deals are also PR’ed listing what CMKX gave them for shares & cash. The 2003 form 15 problem is in the court transcripts & the judges ruling. What I've said about CMKX never giving the second GEMM divvy a pay date is found on this link...
read the fine print at the bottom of each GEMM divvy it refers you to the original divvy dates. All lead back to the first divvy. Not 1 thing I have posted isn't fact except my opinion about whether UC cheated us or not & the stated facts are what formed my opinion.
First I want you to know that I am about to HANG YOU OUT TO DRY and you deserve it. You wrote: James, everything in my posts on this thread come direct from either pr’s or the court proceedings. Look up the January 2003 pr about 650K acres of claims, all CMKX pr’s are on this board. The pr's state which claims are owned & by what companies and the % each holds.
Well guess what there are no Pr’s from January 2003 which say anything about 650 thousand acres of claims --- December 2002 has some that talk about the total of 1.9 Million acres of claims/OPTIONS available to the Company --- and the end of February the Company mentions 700 Thousand acres the GEOTEM SURVEY was to cover in its initial run. Great DD Did you perhaps mean the DEF 14C FILED WITH THE SEC---in which you will find this
Purpose and Effect of the Board of Directors Election In November 25, 2002 the Company agreed to acquire the Casavant Family Mineral Claims in certain kimberlite deposits located in the Province of Saskatchewan, Canada. The Mineral Claims were held in the name of five companies owned directly and/or beneficially by the Casavant Family and Morgain Minerals, Inc. (a company held by third parties with the claims under option). These companies include Commando Holdings, Ltd., Buckshot Holdings, Ltd., 101010307 Saskatchewan Ltd., 101012190 Saskatchewan Ltd., and 101027101 Saskatchewan Ltd. In addition, Fort a la Corne Diamond Fields, Inc. acted as the claims and exploration manager for the five companies above, as well as, the claims held by Morgain Minerals, Inc. Each of these companies have agreed to transfer 100% of the Mineral Claims to the Company in accordance with the Mineral Disposition Regulations of Saskatchewan, 1986. On October 28, 2002, Fort a la Corne Diamond Fields, Inc. completed a report on the five parcels of mineral claims held by Commando Holdings, Ltd., Buckshot Holdings, Ltd., 101010307 Saskatchewan Ltd., 101012190 Saskatchewan Ltd., and 101027101 Saskatchewan Ltd. The report also covered the claims of Morgain Minerals, Inc. All of the parcels were registered between March 2001 and March 2002 as listed in Table 1.
Table 1 (1) Registered Owner Area(2) Due Date (3) Paid Cnd USDollar Buckshot Holdings Ltd. (50%) Commando Holdings Ltd. (50%) 78,177 March 2 and 9, 2003 $938,124 $614,037 101010307 Saskatchewan Ltd. 70,427 May 11, 2003 $845,124 $553,165 101012190 Saskatchewan Ltd. 81,568 August 16, 2003 $978,816 $640,629 101027101 Saskatchewan Ltd. 8,320 March 20, 2004 $ 99,840 $ 65,345 Morgain Minerals Inc. (4) 9,216 March 20, 2004 $110,592 $ 72,382 Total 247,708 $1,945,987 (1) Table 1 was prepared by P. Robershaw, P. Geo. for Fort a la Corne Diamond Fields, Inc. in connection with the properties. (2) 1 hectare equals 2.46 acres with 247, 708 hectares equaling 609,361.68 acres. (3) Based on U.S. Dollar/Canadian Dollar exchange rates, the amounts paid for the claims equals $1,945,987.00 USD as of January 30, 2002 exchange rates, but were valued at $2,000,000 USD on the date of the merger which is November 25, 2002. (4) The claims of Morgain Minerals Inc. are under option, but are included. The claims comprise a substantial and largely contiguous land position in a favorable exploration setting in the vicinity of the Fort a la Corne kimberlite bodies. In all, the properties consist of 636 claims with a total area of 247,708 hectares (611,625 acres). The 5 properties are located in central Saskatchewan within 100 kilometers of the City of Prince Albert and are largely accessible by road. Mineral dispositions in Saskatchewan are administered by the Saskatchewan Industry and Resources ("SIR"). The properties fall entirely within the surveyed portion of the Province of Saskatchewan. Here is the URL for the complete DEF 14C; http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1092299/000111776803000002/schedule.htm
Could this not be it, as it’s only for 611,625 acres? Again I fail to see any breakdown as to who owns what because, as I live and breathe could it be, UC owns or controls all and has an option on Morgain Minerals, Inc.
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The USCA & SGGM deals are also PR’ed listing what CMKX gave them for shares & cash.
You are correct and here they are:
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Dividend to Shareholders of Record Date and Option Agreement 7/18/2004 DENVER--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 18, 2004--CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX - News) is pleased to have reached a purchase agreement with U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTC BB:UCAD - News) to which U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. will be purchasing 5% of all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. in exchange for 7.5 million shares of UCAD. CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will later issue these shares to all shareholders of record on August 20, 2004.
In addition, UCAD has a 1 year option agreement to purchase an additional 10% interest of all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. for a total of $15 million U.S. dollars payable to CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Mr. Rendall Williams, CEO for UCAD, stated: "Having the opportunity to have worked with the management of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. on the Carolyn Pipe and on the Goldak Airborne surveys, we are looking to move aggressively forward in building shareholder value for both companies."
Urban Casavant, CEO CMKM Diamonds, Inc., stated: "We are looking to move forward as a team in order to create a winning formula for success of both companies as well as their shareholders!" More details will be released in future news releases.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements, other than the statements of historical facts, may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the Company's products and services, the availability to the Company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the Company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the Company to manage its operations. CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces $10,000,000 Joint Venture Agreement 9/2/2004 : LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 2, 2004--CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX - News) is pleased to announce that the Company has finalized a joint venture agreement where St. George Metals, Inc. (Pink Sheets: SGGM - News) will purchase a 5% unencumbered and absolute interest in any and all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. in consideration for $10,000,000 US Dollars and two hundred billion (200,000,000,000) restricted shares of SGGM. The Company has received a $2,500,000 payment with three additional payments of $2,500,000 anticipated within the next 30 days.
Yep the Company looks like they Gave up 20% of all their claims---BUT DID THEY---All insiders hold stock in the Company-7.5 Million shares issued as a dividend to all stockholders so a significant % of what ever those claims may produce in the future will come back to CMKX stockholders thru the UCAD/USCA stock dividend---THEN WE HAVE SGGM---Since the Company still holds the 200 Billion shares that SGGM issued them for their 5% stake in all mineral rights that means the company will receive 22.22% of what ever those mineral rights will produce. Is this worth the price to obtain the working partnership of a company with an operational smelter, who knows yet but it sure beats having to buy and setup one of our own---Is it worth 5% to have a fallback vehicle ready and waiting in case of an emergency, who knows but I bet it beats not having one with the net outstretched.
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2003 form 15 problem is in the court transcripts & the judges ruling.
Again you are correct, BUT--- Why did it take a year and a half for the SEC to contact CMKX’s Counsel about the non filing status of their Client and then complain about the Company taking less than two months to file an amended form 15. I am still researching but if it turns out that restricted stock issued to foreign nationals by US companies for work performed or allowed on land they own is exempt from being reported on the SHAREHOLDERS OF RECORD list then the number of record drops to 338 from 698 and then there would need to be a search to see if others fall into same category but it’s a lot better looking. As far as the Judges ruling, well let’s put it this way, she could only rule on what was brought before her. It is not the Judges job to present the Prosecution or Defenses case, just to rule according to what’s presented so I think she ruled accordingly. That doesn’t mean it can’t be overturned in appeal. This is what I’m researching: Securities offered and sold outside the United States in accordance with Regulation S need not be registered under the Act. See Release No. 33-6863. Regulation S may be relied upon for such offers and sales even if coincident offers and sales are made in accordance with Regulation D inside the United States. Thus, for example, persons who are offered and sold securities in accordance with Regulation S would not be counted in the calculation of the number of purchasers under Regulation D. Similarly, proceeds from such sales would not be included in the aggregate offering price. The provisions of this note, however, do not apply if the issuer elects to rely solely on Regulation D for offers or sales to persons made outside the United States. STILL DOING DD-----
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What I've said about CMKX never giving the second GEMM divvy a pay date is found on this link... You should look and read before you post or just don’t post and save us the trouble of pointing out every mistake you make---ACCORDING TO YOUR LINK THE PAYOUT LISTED FOR THE 2ND GEMM DIVY WAS TO BE ACCORDING TO THE LITTLE BOX TOP RIGHT 12-10-04 AND THE INFORMATION ON THE BOTTOM REFERS TO THE FORMULA FOR PAYOUT AND INFORMS US THAT THIS IS THE 2ND REVISION. Therefore if I was a betting man (and I am) I bet there will yet be at least a 3rd and maybe a 4th revision of pay date before the divvy is issued.
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Not 1 thing I have posted isn't fact except my opinion about whether UC cheated us or not & the stated facts are what formed my opinion.----In that case I assume you will revise your opinion of UC since you had all your FACTS not quite in a row. Also notice that other than your FACT FINDING ability I have treated you with the same Humane and courteous demeanor that I extend to all living things. Please reconsider your character Sniping of UC until known for sure and FACTUAL.
I hope you have paid attention so you know how to present FACTS found thru DD and without prejudice…..well maybe some.
HAVE A NICE DAY
Jim
Posted by will on :
WOW! What a condenscending prick that guy is . LOL Hey bill, you better learn how to present your facts, bucko !
Posted by justplayin on :
Can we get back to bashing CMKX, its getting kinda hard to follow the bashing of each other Posted by Wallace#1 on :
OK with me, playin. Just fed up with that pile of crap and what he says vs what he is and does.
Posted by will on :
Why make us choose? Let's do both. LOL
quote:Originally posted by justplayin: Can we get back to bashing CMKX, its getting kinda hard to follow the bashing of each other
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by :
Wallace isn't bill capable of answering my post by himself?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by :
Wallace isn't bill capable of answering my post by himself?
I am sure he is capable. Problem is that he is being too damn gentle with your sort as far as I am concerned and your bile has pushed me just a bit too far. Get real and sensible and you won't get hammered or beaten on.
Posted by Upside on :
Who says we don't have a kind hearted thread here? Just take a look at some of the complimentary terms we've used to describe one another, all in the last 24 hours. Ahh, there's no place like home!
Posted by a bunch of us:
quote:the Anti-Christ, puke eaters, defecate their bullchit, thanks to the fat man, subhuman, punkass whimp, eating their spittle, a bad fungus, Richard Cranium, sit and bitch, parasite eater, filthy creature, there's no one else on the planet that actually likes you, bad rubbish, halfwits, hit in the mouth with a pile of sh:t, STUFF IT, a condenscending prick, pile of crap, bile.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Who says we don't have a kind hearted thread here? Just take a look at some of the complimentary terms we've used to describe one another, all in the last 24 hours. Ahh, there's no place like home!
Posted by a bunch of us:
quote:the Anti-Christ, puke eaters, defecate their bullchit, thanks to the fat man, subhuman, punkass whimp, eating their spittle, a bad fungus, Richard Cranium, sit and bitch, parasite eater, filthy creature, there's no one else on the planet that actually likes you, bad rubbish, halfwits, hit in the mouth with a pile of sh:t, STUFF IT, a condenscending prick, pile of crap, bile.
Geez, sounds like a family reunion Posted by glassman on :
some people can dish it out...
and some people can take it...
some can't Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by :
Wallace isn't bill capable of answering my post by himself?
I am sure he is capable. Problem is that he is being too damn gentle with your sort as far as I am concerned and your bile has pushed me just a bit too far. Get real and sensible and you won't get hammered or beaten on.
You call your responses "hammering"? They are just rantings and ravings. You couldn't begin to engage in serious debate. LOL Really into yourself aren't you?
Posted by will on :
My God man, who says such vulgar and vile things.
Posted by glassman on :
no friggin cwybabies....
Posted by Prdponce on :
[ July 20, 2005, 12:38: Message edited by: Prdponce ]
Posted by Prdponce on :
quote:Originally posted by Prdponce: The final draft have been reviewed and it is on it ways to the publisher. It will hit the shelves shortly after R-Day , revocation day that is.
For the last year and one half I have read and copy / pasted all your comments in the writing of this book. "CMKX SCAM of the Century" from Prison guard to Miliionaire to prisoner.
Thanks and all the credits to the poster of this thread.. You all will be paid 1 Billion shares in certitificate form... too bad by the time you get it I will be revoked. ROTFLMAO...
Keep on the fighthing till the end.....
And of course this is just a jokeeeeeee.
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: You know what, Legal? I wish there was a way to have you banned from this board. If PB32 can ban people only for their opinions, then you should not be allowed to post here. You are the only pumper who comes here. It doesnt matter because in a few days the revocation will become final and eventually CMKX will go away. Just a matter of time and PB32 will close down and nobody will talk about this scam anymore except in the context of history.
I can only hope that someday you will all get what is coming to you, not only for the pumping but for abridging our freedom of speech.
That being said, I will probably quit posting on this thread too. No reason to talk about the dead. There are too many GOOD stocks out there to be worried about this POS anymore.
No L/E isn't the only one here,,, I am here too. If it is a POS then move on. And talk about banning.......Wallace Complains and moans and gets people banned because they buck up to him and beat him down. Isn't personal attacks why some of the "Pumpers" were banned. why was JB banned,,,huh wallace, answer that? what about SVTCOBRA, remember that fella do you Wallace. I know him he is on PB 32 he has no problems there. Must be you that causes the problems. Dont save us from ourselves, just save your breath (oxygen is expensive isnt it, i wouldnt want you to waste any). we dont want your opinion if we want it we will ask. how is your neighbor. been helping them lately? COBRA
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
You'll just get banned here again, COBRA. They will find you as before.
All of legal's deputies have either been banned or left because they could not handle the truth. You are no exception.
Posted by Upside on :
We're under attack! Incoming ICBM, no, make that IPBM! Maybe the good Dr. will show up.
Posted by cobracobra on :
they will find me as before? I dont understand,,, why would they be looking for me, i havnt done anything wrong,,,, but you, you have been personally attacking members for a long time>> why havnt you been banned. Oh i forgot, its kinda like cops and robbers.... the Snitches never get charges they are allowed to roam free as long as the info keeps rolling in. Hows life treating you wallace? is everything well. I know i am well, fit and happy! Just breathing a sigh of relief that even if i am not rich, at least i have my health! Have a nice day friend. COBRACOBRA
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: You'll just get banned here again, COBRA. They will find you as before.
All of legal's deputies have either been banned or left because they could not handle the truth. You are no exception.
That's funny Wallace. They left because they couldn't stand your malicious drivel, day and night. They are serious investors and go where people talk about stock instead of each other....A place where real DD is done and discussed, not libelous bashing and innuendo.
Posted by Upside on :
Big difference Cobra. Wallace & Legal go back and forth daily and yes, Wallace will call him a fool, pigheaded, etc. but it doesn't come close to what you just posted. You're sinking to the bottom to attack someones health issues. Can't debate someone with your intelligence so you sling schoolyard shots at him? Says a lot about you.
Posted by cobracobra on :
I am not attacking his health i simply state that i am glad i am healthy. I am sorry if that is offensive to you,,,,I wish health on everyone i know. Without health -money is nothing. I whole heartedly believe it. As a matter of fact, i even wish it on those that i dont really like! Have a nice day friend. COBRACOBRA
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by cobracobra:
quote:I am not attacking his health i simply state that i am glad i am healthy.
No you're not. You're attacking him on what is apparently the only level you're capable of, friend.
Posted by toddr545 on :
Here we go again, puds, all of you, just a bunch of puds Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by toddr545: Here we go again, puds, all of you, just a bunch of puds
YEAH!! LOL
Posted by Upside on :
That reminds me, I've gotta get those "I'm a CMKX pud" shirts printed up.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Hello Upside, I hope you will include me in the distribution circle of your planned clothing line. I would like to have one, i will wear it with honor. then everyone will know i am a CMKX pud, and that you spent your hard earned money on bashing a "worthless" stock. I hope it doesn't clash with my flamed out CMKX hat. I spend my money on things i believe in, like this stock. You spend money on things you DON'T believe in? why would you do that. it doesnt make sense. Oh well have a nice day my friend. COBRACOBRA
Posted by Upside on :
I bought the stock on what was hype the first time around and a second time when I felt a run was imminent. I was wrong in buying it both times for an average price of .00035 and wound up bag holding. At no time did I believe this was a real company nor did I intend to stay in it for more than a few days, that's the essence of trading, friend.
Posted by cobracobra on :
this is why we all fight? you bought to swing it, i bought to hold it. I believe it is viable you do not. if you dont think it is viable why worry about it, drop it and move on. All these people wanting to tell me i am wrong for holding and hoping for the big move up. I think it could move, if you don't oh well. It's play money, my play money, why worry about my excess loot? If i drank it away you wouldn't be bashing guiness would you? As you said it is the essence of trading. Where were all of the concernned people when i lost a few grand in MLON. Even if they told me to drop it, i make my decisions and others dont influence them. COBRACOBRA
Posted by Upside on :
Yes, I would bash you for drinking Guiness, I don't care for it. There's a flip side to your "all these people want to tell me I am wrong" argument. Isn't that EXACTLY what you do on your home board when someone expresses a negative viewpoint? Actually, I guess I'm wrong there, you ban them. You ask why we still discuss it here if we don't own it or have written it off? What is the purpose of these message boards? The exchange of advice both good and bad for people who seek it. There is a core group here who are adamant that this is a scam and express those beliefs so as to warn off others who may be seeking advice. I realize that's a taboo thing to do in your eyes, the negatives surrounding this stock should never be discussed, just tell everyone to buy. That's not right and you should know it.
Posted by lanebro on :
Sorry if I am repeating somthing that you already know. I don't have time to read all prior posts, just thought you'd like to read some news from the drag racing arena concerning CMKX and Arend parting company. Interesting. No money left?
i dont advise people to buy anything, they trade for themselves. they dont put their hands in my pockets, i dont put my hands in theirs. I believe in the holdings, if you dont, good for you. dont bash me for my choices. I dont ban anyone but i like PB 32 because when people come with nothing but bad rhetoric they toss them. but over there we also have the one's with nothing but good rhetoric (accadacca, carquest etc.). we all laugh at them. it is a very good board. As far as helping the newbies--- they can do their own DD. never buy on the backwork of another. if you do u are a fool. I looked for my own info with everything i ve bought. I get tips on possible buys here but never buy on anyone elses word, i dont care how good everyone says the person may be. That is the best advise you can give. telling someone not to buy is as bad as telling them to buy. And by the way a messageboard is not DD. Like i said i believe in the holdings, i believe in the company. no-one can change my mind but me. COBRACOBRA
Posted by Upside on :
I'm not bashing you personally for your choices (except the Guiness) and I agree that you should do your own research but, the fact is that this part of the market is comprised of many, many first time investors who have no idea where to look or how to begin researching a stock and they gravitate to these boards. A first timer who stumbled upon PB would buy the stock in an instant. Here at least there's some debate that goes on as Legal posts a lot of opposing viewpoints and he's not banned for it. It seems you feel there's something wrong in offering them advice, I don't. Especially when it's a stock of this sort.
Posted by Ric on :
cobra, seems like your very first post here was a personal attack. Maybe you are someone else in a past life but under this name all you have done has been an attack dog. But just because you can't see what stares you in the face, you shouldn't try and bash those that do. Most in this room have been at Allstocks for a long time. If we want to talk about a stock no matter what it is we can. That is whats great here. We understand what free speech is and if we want to say something about a stock, good or bad, we can. Not like some boards were if you don't fall in line with the group you are out. Give me more koolaid please.
But if you want to try and give counter points or DD on this stock to prove us wrong, please. No one else seems to be able to, just conjecture, rumors, and theories. They give us great DD on other companies and make it out as CMKX's. Give unproven conspiracies about JV's but again no proof. Nothing is UC's fault and the hearing was a lie. Missing documents and not giving documents to the people that need them. But no matter what this is our home here and we will stay.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: I'm not bashing you personally for your choices (except the Guiness) and I agree that you should do your own research but, the fact is that this part of the market is comprised of many, many first time investors who have no idea where to look or how to begin researching a stock and they gravitate to these boards. A first timer who stumbled upon PB would buy the stock in an instant. Here at least there's some debate that goes on as Legal posts a lot of opposing viewpoints and he's not banned for it. It seems you feel there's something wrong in offering them advice, I don't. Especially when it's a stock of this sort.
With ya 100%, upside. If I caused one person to stop from buying CMKX on PB, I consider to have done my duty. Sometimes the newcomers at least have to have a warning to double-check their DD before jumping off a cliff. I will maintain this attitude until those millions of dollars show up in my checking account. Until then, I wouldnt buy it, nor advise anyone else to buy it.
Posted by cobracobra on :
On the same token as you posted, if someone does not think this is the worst stock ever, and hates it more than vampires hate sunlight you attempt to obliterate that person and any info brought to the table. At this point it becomes a joke for the bashers. Another CMKX guy coming here,,,, we will destroy him like all the others! Even Legals good points ( he has lots) get bashed to oblivian (or bolivian in some circles LOL). Open your mind, when its all over one of us will be right, maybe you-maybe me, but my money (all play money) is on me being right. If not, oh well i lose my loot, you don't. the difference is that i will move on to another stock, you will still be here. So no one can see any good in the stock, no good claims right. there is stuff up there as we all know and so does DeBeers et al. --- Ric, you've not seen attack dog from me, i could get really viscious but havn't. --- ed, i am sure you scared away one possible shareholder, so you can be done know. Go outside and get some air would ya. Its like you never leave this board. Not enough air is bad for the body and it will fail you. If your body is failing you, your mind will fail you also. So get your mind right. Have a good day friends. COBRACOBRA
Posted by legaleagle on :
OK, I wasn't going to post any more CMKX here, but after about three pages of nothing but personal bashing, I have to offer up something for you folks to sink your teeth into besides each others azzes.
By: hundredtoone 20 Jul 2005, 09:00 PM EDT Msg. 1046839 of 1046925 Jump to msg. # By: go2guy2 26 May 2005, 10:58 PM EDT Msg. 218901 of 218925 Jump to msg. # Look into Gary Walters, Rick Tauli and especially BBX Equities. Where do I begin...Pull up a chair. In Nanosignal, BBX equities acquired a large position of the company somehow, Gary Walters also acquired alot of shares. John Edwards won a settlement from NNOS for $200,000 for services rendered..Anyway, it was rumored that NNOS was being pumped by Tauli and Walters all the time they were shorting against their almost majority position in NNOS. From what I read, they did this to a few other companies to..RAMO comes to mind...Ok, so I believe that before Barrington Foods became UCAD, our Boy Rendall went to BBX equity (run by Walters) for financing. Somehow BBX equities, IMHO, gets it's grip on a large portion of UCAD....I think through the Crystalix Connection (Dhonau, Woodward, BSIC Investors etc..)....and they in turn set their sights on CMKX. Now, I don't think Rendall is that smart, and I don't think Ed is that crooked, but I do think they would not be apposed to having the Sasketchewan Claims fall into their lap. At the same time, I think they realize that the good folks at BBX are going to do the same to UCAD, and Nevada Minerals if they can, so they see a benefit in playing along. Ed makes a mineral rights for shares agreement and UCAD buys an interest in CMKX. So, Woodward and Michael King are involved in Crystalix. BBX Equity has a Michael King listed as a director. Michael King runs Princeton Research website a stock touting operation. He was also appointed to CMKM board in Nov 2002 along with Richard Taulli
Richard Taulli is also listed as treasurer of UCAD.
John S Woodward is president of UCAD.
John S Woodward is also listed as president of Crystalix, though 'resigned'
These guys have their fingers in CMKX and UCAD and CRYSTALIX and...THE PUMP IS ON FULL BLAST! All the while they are shorting the HE** (double hockeysticks) out of all of them. Then Crystalix screws up and they cannot buy Lazer Tek..Lazer Tek is awarded Crystalix's assets and assumes the name Crystalix with a new man in charge who grabs Woodward by the throat and takes away his voting rights...Kevin T. Ryan, partner in Global Intelligence Network with one Iron Bob Maheu...and they realize what is hapening. They see why Crystalix was in trouble. And I believe they hold grudges too. Meanwhile back at the ranch, Urban realizes that the insiders are short selling his company into oblivion. Oh my, he needs help..and he needs a plan. IMHO, he and Kevin Ryan hook up over some hotdogs at the race track. Its about this time that D Roger Glenn comes into the picture. Hmmmm. Now, I know that Roger has taken alot of heat...I still say he will be redeemed at some time. Roger sets up the dividends and traps the NSS. In September, CMKXTREME loans Crystalix a few Million. Then , In MY humble opinion, Roger calls in the SEC when he realizes that forces are trying to prevent the companies from filing. I think the party was supposed to reveal the Board of Directors and major share holders for both companies...and those people do not want their identity known. So much so that they threaten Urban and Rendell, and leverage information which might put the claims in jeopardy. UC is trapped and stays gagged. The SEC steps in because RG and IBM have given them info regarding the manipulation of these stocks. We watch USCA skyrocket and split and then get stopped. Now we're in a "quiet period" and RG tells Dhonau..."Ed, get out of CMKX or you will put it all in jeopardy and I'll introduce you to Bubba, your new roomate personally". Ed gives back the 75 Mill in Certs and they go into Urban's hands. "Check"...SHO is coming, you'll have to settle soon shorty Finally in February, IBM has had enough, sho is ineffective. Urban brings him on board as Co Chairman..and Roger goes onto USCA...but he's never announced as their compliance attorney..hmmm. Langley is introduced somewhere in there...Its just really messy. Well, if you've been in since January, you can put the rest together. In February or May, UC sets up a private trust. In April that trust loans Crystalix another $Million. Woodwards leins against Crystalix are to be subordinated to the leins held by Kevin Ryan and Urban. I'm intrigued to see where this is going, but I've got a feeling tha all of UC's moves are carefully scripted.
Again, this is all my opinion..based on som light reading.
Posted by ACKCANE on :
WOW! I really think if we put all of these stories and theories together we could give JK Rowling a run for her money.
Posted by will on :
What a bowl of spaghetti that is. LOL I gotta hand it to you, noah. If y'all can't give clear factual straight forward information you sure know how to dazzle 'em with convoluted ramblings.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Re legal's repost of looneytune's post above:
it was rumored From what I read, so I believe Somehow I think through Now, I don't think and I don't think but I do think I think they And I believe I know I still say In MY humble opinion, I think I'm intrigued Again, this is all my opinion..based on som light reading.
W: So much for credibility and proof.
PS: AND VALIDITY!!
Posted by cobracobra on :
like i said, even valid points, you guys trash them,,,,
Posted by will on :
What valid points? It's all conjecture and inuendo again. Again, from legal's, (noah's), own little fat fingers: "there you go assuming again. You don't know what the company is doing. You are only seeing what you want to see, or what supports your contentions."
Posted by ACKCANE on :
Valid points!!! Where???? Seriously?
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by cobracobra:
quote:On the same token as you posted, if someone does not think this is the worst stock ever, and hates it more than vampires hate sunlight you attempt to obliterate that person and any info brought to the table. At this point it becomes a joke for the bashers. Another CMKX guy coming here,,,, we will destroy him like all the others! Even Legals good points ( he has lots) get bashed to oblivian (or bolivian in some circles LOL). Open your mind, when its all over one of us will be right, maybe you-maybe me, but my money (all play money) is on me being right. If not, oh well i lose my loot, you don't. the difference is that i will move on to another stock, you will still be here.
Cobra, First off, I don't think anyone here is looking to "destroy" anyone. Sure, if someone comes on here posting theories that make no sense, they'll be challenged, but again, they wont be banned, probably ridiculed but not banned. Post your reasons for thinking this is the big one, we'll discuss it. You say you've only invested "play money" into this stock, if that's true, you're a wise man, that's all that should be invested in this stock or any other stock trading in this part of the market. As far as losing my loot goes, it's already happened, I sold at .00004 a month or so back. My 1200 dollar gamble returned 160 bucks. I feel I fared a lot better than some are going to. Anyway, post away, let us know what you're thinking, yeah, you'll get torn apart but if you can back it up, you'll earn everyones respect here. Just ask Legal.
Posted by Ric on :
I still haven't seen one proof of anything posted yet. Why come here and ridicule yet not offer one once of proof on why we are wrong about CMKX. And no IMO stuff. Facts that says we are wrong. Here is part of mine that proves my case.
Before the hearing
* Authorized Shares increased from less than 1 billion to 800 billion * Outstanding Shares increased from less than 1 billion to 779 billion * 500 billion in dilution from March 2004 to March 2005 * 407 billion on shareholders list as of March 2005 * Was told we would be pleasantly surprised by O/S and made to believe it was under 400 billion. Melvin on the air denies that the O/S is over 400 Billion after TA fiasco * CMKX Transfer Agent gagged per direction of the UC * Refuses to give investors basic information on company * Refuses to give share structure * CMKX trading unregistered shares in SASK, trading halted there * SASK inquiry into CMKX valuations ignored * CMKX partner USCA under investigation by the SASK * No revenue stream from company operations * Repeated claims of being close to reporting when in fact no attempt had been made * Claims in Canada for mineral rights, made to believe 100's of holes drilled. but only 15 * Let the only promising hole go. It was sold on E-Bay * UC buys a 3.5 million dollar property, motor-home, hummer, boat, likes to gamble, likes to race funny cars while shareholders value decreases * UC at race track almost every weekend * Spent investors money to sponsor motorcycle and drag racing * Advertises stock instead of company, Got CMKX * Voids in records * UC says he doesn't know how to run a public company * UC blames others for mismanagement * SEC investigation and temporary halt * Lied on form 15 more then 100% off (claimed under 300, had 689)
During the hearing
* Judge ruled that NS is not going to be admitted into evidence * She asked SEC if they think CMKX has NS and the SEC said no * When asked by the SEC, TA stated there was no record of CMKX management inquiring into the number of shareholders in July 2003 * RG was paid $250,000 and one page report was presented * Urban shows up with his own personal lawyer * Urban invokes his 5th Amendment right to not answer any/all questions asked by the SEC attorneys (12 minutes of "I take the 5th") * Maheu testifies he was not aware of the problems the new accountant and attorney were having in receiving documentation from Urban to get filings completed. * Maheu can’t answer question on companies operations * We find out Urban runs CMKX from his house, not the company PR'd new offices in Las Vegas * Maheu paid $40,000 a month. Has been paid for 2 months pay even though he has been there 4 months and Judge makes joke about the amount he is paid * Accountants: all quit after frustration in not being able to do their jobs. Current accountant, Neil Levine, resigns on May 9th one day before the hearing * Rendal Williams (CEO of UCAD & 50/50 partner with CMKX) has a "failing memory" when questioned on the stand, he appearingly is distancing himself from CMKX/Urban Casavant * Oct. party was in evidence over claims made that didn’t happen * Green Baron interview played because of claims made in it also * Carolyn Casavant wrote checks against the company account although she is not an officer of the company, explanation given to the court "that's what wife's do." * Current financial status, over $30 million in debt *Judge says this is a filing issue * Has till 29th of June for rebuttals and decision will be by July 15th
After the hearing
* Two .011 micron size diamonds * Only 15 holes drilled, nothing found in any except in one hole see above * Drilling report says to give it up people. * Company issued PR that 100's of anomalies found from goldak fly over yet 8K states 16 from goldak fly over & some of them may not be worth drilling * Refuses to give investors basic information on company. * Refuses to give share structure * SEC reply says it all * UC can't afford to sponsor Arends car anymore * Frizzle working on proving NS * Revoked by the SEC * UC refuses to let the shareholders know whats going on or give any reinsurances.
CMKX's actual results could differ materially from such forward-looking statements because of factors such as: actual or perceived benefits of the Jarvis report; any findings or recommendations contained in the report; uncertain regulatory scrutiny; the current state of CMKX's operations; unavailability of documentation and corporate records; benefits of the to be commenced summer drilling program; the ability to rebuild financial records; timing necessary to comply with reporting requirements; lack of adequate internal controls; unforeseen capital deficiencies; changes in the mining and metals environment, including actions of competitors; the effectiveness of CMKX's development and drilling programs; regulatory and legal changes; and other risks associated with companies in similar industries. CMKX undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect current events or circumstances after the date hereof or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.
Posted by Ric on :
Lets use the same logic as 100 to 1 did here.
I am related to Adam and Eve I owned Microsoft stock at one time My computer has Microsoft Windows and Word on it I went to college
Bill Gates is related to Adam and Eve Bill Gates owns Microsoft Bill Gate's computer has Microsoft Windows and word on it Bill Gates went to college
I must be related to Bill Gates and I should get part of his inheritance if he dies.
Makes sense to me.
Posted by cobracobra on :
I've never said it WILL be the big pay i said i HOPE it will be the big pay. As far as posting goes legal has said most of what can be said. I am a part of the company that holds almost a Million acres of claims in , from past precident, what is very mineral rich areas. We dont have the filing info yet but i believe , i know there is that word again, thst there will be upcoming filings. When they are filed i will now if i've been duped. i dont think so,but we will all know SOon enough. if it moves on info great, if it moves on speculation great. i dont care how it moves, just as long as it moves. this play will come and go just as all others have. but like many other .0001 stocks ive been in its a huge gamble. my risk is worth my percieved reward. many .0001 stock have given me 5 and 4 baggers, some even more-- others less, some- well, they got me in the end. i chalk it up as a loss and move on. I like the area where the claims are. it is what i DD 'd the most. I know the SEC is friggin crooked and they want CMKX and its affiliates gone, that tells me that something must be different and RIGHT with CMKX. Maybe the counterfeit shares will help the move, I am in the owners group, both phases. and am confident the counterfeit shares are an issue. will they shoot the price to a dollar, of coarse not, but eventually the price, as previously stated by me, will move. the players havn't proven themselves yet, but i hope soon they wiill. I suppose you've never found a play you just felt inside you was right. all in all i am willing to take the risk. the reward is to great to not do it. and yes i also occasionally play the lottery. If he lottery is over a hundred million i get a quick pick. cant win if u dont play. well its the same with CMKX cant win if your not in. you did a risk assessment and said NO,,,, i assessed and said yes. in the end there can be only one winner. I hope it is me. cobra
Posted by Ric on :
Actually, that probably is the best, honest post that I have seen from the other side.
Posted by Upside on :
I'm out of it but I hope it's you too Cobra. I still know a bunch of people in this stock and it would be great to see it pay off, even if I'm not involved. One thing on your dd on the land claims, assuming that all the numbered claims do in fact belong to CMKX, look at where they are in relation to the cluster and the trend line of the kimberlites. If the cluster continues on the same north/northwestern path, CMKX is pretty much aced out unless it continues for a long, long ways.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well, well i guess you guys only like to have fun without me...lol. i'm at work yesterday & i miss flipping HISC just as i thought i'd be able to. i work tonight & everyone including a new guy shows up & has a free for all. i see wallace didn't get any again last nite, looks like legals a bit edgy too...lol Will is always an azz so no change. welcome cobra, as was posted the cult is welcome here just beware of a few of our dogs...lol. i agree Ric this guy might not be a complete cult member like Legal. speaking of Legal......
you are correct Legal, it wasn't a january pr it was febuary & here it is....
From Feb 2003 14C
This report is prepared on behalf of Fort a la Corne Diamond Fields Inc., and is intended to document the status of kimberlite exploration activities in and around 5 properties which are located within the Fort à la Corne kimberlite field of central Saskatchewan. The 5 properties consist of 636 mineral claims with a total area of 247 708 ha (611 625 acres), which are currently wholly owned by others, as listed in Table 1. Table 1: Properties of interest Registered Owner Number of Claims Area (ha) Recording Date Buckshot Holdings Ltd. (50%) Commando Holdings Ltd. (50%) 318 78 177 March 2 and 9, 2001 101010307 Saskatchewan Ltd. 142 70 427 May 11, 2001 101012190 Saskatchewan Ltd. 106 81 568 August 16, 2001 101027101 Saskatchewan Ltd. 34 8 320 March 20, 2002 Morgain Minerals Inc. 36 9 216 March 20, 2002 No exploration work has been conducted on the 5 properties by the present owners. There are no known kimberlite occurrences within the 5 properties, but all are reasonably proximal to the 74 known kimberlite bodies of the Fort à la Corne kimberlite field. The geological setting and geophysical exploration characteristics of the Fort à la Corne area are discussed, providing a framework to assess the prospectivity of the properties for further kimberlite discoveries.
notice the last paragraph...NO KNOWN KIMBERLITE but its close to some & according to the cult thats all that matters, it will make them rich.
Posted by bill1352 on :
now on to the gemm divy...if you'll notice at the bottom where it gives the split there are dates each as a refer to section except the first 1...each tells you to refer to the last 1. at no time does it give the second divy that was pr'ed by cmkx as to being given out
1st statement.....
+Approximately .00012267 of a restricted share of Juina Mining Corp (OTC: GEMM) for each share held. Will not be quoted Ex.
2nd statement....Refer to the D/L of 9/28/04, P/D revised by Co. +Approx .00012267 of a restricted share of Juina Mining Corp (OTC: GEMM) for each share held. Will not be quoted Ex.
3rd statement.....Refer to the D/L of 11/16, 2nd revision of P/D by Co. +Approx .00012267 of a restricted share of Juina Mining Corp (OTC: GEMM) for each share held.
these are the facts, i'm not guessing, i'm not trying to put a puzzle together, there are no hidden messages, nobody is related or in bed with anyone (maybe Will & Upside). no need to try & add 2 + 2 & get $1 million.
Posted by Dagger Depot on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: cobra, seems like your very first post here was a personal attack. Maybe you are someone else in a past life but under this name all you have done has been an attack dog. But just because you can't see what stares you in the face, you shouldn't try and bash those that do. Most in this room have been at Allstocks for a long time. If we want to talk about a stock no matter what it is we can. That is whats great here. We understand what free speech is and if we want to say something about a stock, good or bad, we can. Not like some boards were if you don't fall in line with the group you are out. Give me more koolaid please.
Not to take sides on any level, but there are alot of people who bash other people for making choices they dont agree with. I think if you dont like a stock, mention it. Give reasons even.
f you think others are stupid or retarded, or anything like that, keep it to yourself. There are good people here and bad people here and both of which are guilty of aiming attacks directly at other people. Frankly it just gets tiresome and repetitive.
I couldnt care any less if you don't like this person or if they dont like you. I'm here to read opinions on the stock. Not rumors on peoples' homelives...
I'll end on that note. Have a nice night...
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, of course there was NO KNOWN KIMBERLITE. This was from a 2003 14C that announced and delineated the acquisition of those claims by CMKX. No Goldak surveys yet at that time. You are obviously trying to do some DD now to support your position, but you gotta look at times and relativity.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric Member
Member Rated: posted July 21, 2005 00:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lets use the same logic as 100 to 1 did here.
I am related to Adam and Eve I owned Microsoft stock at one time My computer has Microsoft Windows and Word on it I went to college
Bill Gates is related to Adam and Eve Bill Gates owns Microsoft Bill Gate's computer has Microsoft Windows and word on it Bill Gates went to college
I must be related to Bill Gates and I should get part of his inheritance if he dies.
Makes sense to me. ==================================
ya had me till ya added the college part, now if ya both went to the same college & both had fun with the same girl ya might be on to something.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: now on to the gemm divy...if you'll notice at the bottom where it gives the split there are dates each as a refer to section except the first 1...each tells you to refer to the last 1. at no time does it give the second divy that was pr'ed by cmkx as to being given out
1st statement.....
+Approximately .00012267 of a restricted share of Juina Mining Corp (OTC: GEMM) for each share held. Will not be quoted Ex.
2nd statement....Refer to the D/L of 9/28/04, P/D revised by Co. +Approx .00012267 of a restricted share of Juina Mining Corp (OTC: GEMM) for each share held. Will not be quoted Ex.
3rd statement.....Refer to the D/L of 11/16, 2nd revision of P/D by Co. +Approx .00012267 of a restricted share of Juina Mining Corp (OTC: GEMM) for each share held.
these are the facts, i'm not guessing, i'm not trying to put a puzzle together, there are no hidden messages, nobody is related or in bed with anyone (maybe Will & Upside). no need to try & add 2 + 2 & get $1 million.
Bill that was a lot of work for you and I appreciate it, but since it doesn't state what your point is, I will have to guess that you are trying to say there never was two divies planned. So with that in mind I will have to point out that the PR stated there will be a divy and an ADDITIONAL divy:
8/2/2004 : LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 2, 2004--CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX - News) announced today that it has elected to distribute the 95,502,027 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM - News) which were recently purchased by the company as a dividend to its shareholders.
The company has chosen Oct. 1, 2004, as the record and distribution date for this latest dividend to its shareholders.
In addition, GEMM has issued a 60-day option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000 USD. When exercised, the company has elected to distribute this ADDITIONAL 127,336,036 as a dividend on the same record and distribution date.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal the gist of my original statement on pb32 was that debeers had already been testing their claims by feb 2003. in fact shore gold had been testing. debeers, with all of its experiance, knowledge & equipment would have gone over everything around there. yes they might miss something, but not much & not something huge. i do not know the timeframe between debeers filing their claims & shore gold, they might have missed that one but if there was any serious kimberlite around debeers knew it. like them or not they are good at what they do. thus if that 611 thousand acres had no known kimberlite chances are good it was because there was no kimberlite worth looking at seriously.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, I had to put a crazy one in there too. If I didn't then it would match the inferences made by adding 2+2=1 million that they used. lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
correct legal...cmkx exercized that option & then stated a second divy would be given out. or am i mistaken on that??? it was later then 60 days when it happened. my point is they never gave the second pr'ed divy out. notice the 2nd & 3rd posts. they canceled the first pay day about noon on that day & moved it to the day the second divy was to be paid. this caused some to get shares in their accounts on the first pay day & other on the second. it caused it to appear that the mm's were scrambling to cover naked shorts when in fact it was cmkx covering something up as in no second GEMM divy.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal the gist of my original statement on pb32 was that debeers had already been testing their claims by feb 2003. in fact shore gold had been testing. debeers, with all of its experiance, knowledge & equipment would have gone over everything around there. yes they might miss something, but not much & not something huge. i do not know the timeframe between debeers filing their claims & shore gold, they might have missed that one but if there was any serious kimberlite around debeers knew it. like them or not they are good at what they do. thus if that 611 thousand acres had no known kimberlite chances are good it was because there was no kimberlite worth looking at seriously.
bill, if, and that's a very questionable if, DeBeers ever had those sites they didn't do more than punch in a drill and apparently come up dry. The Goldak Survey announced "hundreds" of anomalies and further stated that it was the "first" such survey of the area ever conducted. It's apparent that DeBeers didn't want to spend the money to get the job done right, and Urban did. So their loss was our gain.
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 24, 2004--CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News) announced today it has just received preliminary results from the airborne magnetic survey recently completed by Goldak Airborne Surveys of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. The survey was conducted during April, May and June 2004 using Goldak's Navaho aircraft equipped with a trimaxial magnetic gradiometer.
By employing this modern, state of the art geophysical equipment and flying a low-level, closely spaced survey, HUNDREDS of magnetic anomalies were able to be identified. Some of these anomalies are obvious drill targets, while others will need further study by the Company's consultants.
Urban Casavant, president of the CMKM Diamonds, Inc., stated, "The company is very pleased with the results of the survey. For the FIRST time in the history of diamond exploration in the Fort a' la Corne area, a complete and comprehensive magnetic picture of the whole area is available to the company."
Posted by bill1352 on :
bunch of posts about personal attacks...i agree they are wrong. that said reading some of the cults ideas can hurt a normal, non-kool-aide drinking brain. its like dealling with a teenage son. there are time when talking to him you just want to grab him by the neck & shake his head till whatever is in there rattleing stops. you begin to wonder how you ever had such an idiot for a child. ya don't hate him, ya still believe he has value but for that moment you seriously belive there has been some brain damge done somehow. ya can't always stop yourself from screaming what an idiot he is.
Posted by bill1352 on :
again correct legal BUT the 8K a few months ago stated it was the review of that survey. yes it was missing the map page but in the text that hundreds became 16 & some of those might not be kimberlite. and your assuming debeers did not survey by air. debeers owns that type of equipment, they don't rent it. cmkx is not on debeers board. debeers went back to private before that thus they do not need to tell anyone how they found their claims thus cmkx really has no idea for sure that it was not done. they just know that nobody hired anyone to survey by air...no permit needed for that.
Posted by bill1352 on :
also notice the last sentence...........For the FIRST time in the history of diamond exploration in the Fort a' la Corne area, a complete and comprehensive magnetic picture of the whole area is available to the company." ...it ends to the company. ya really think debeers or shore gold for that matter would tell cmkx there was such a map? you yap about the guy at stockwatch but this is just the kind of thing he points out. pr's worded to sound like something special but in reality meaningless & yes he is a scam artist & as stated by him, this is his way of making up for the damage he did scaming ppl. who better to find a con then a conman?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bill it is very simply spelled out that there were two dividends, different amounts of shares, different pay dates. They didn't both get paid because there weren't enough to go around to all of the naked short, pure and simple. That's why the brokers finally admitted that the shares in our accounts were only "markers", not real shares. Roger's trap worked.
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 2, 2004--CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX - News) announced today that it has elected to distribute the 95,502,027 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM - News) which were recently purchased by the company as a dividend to its shareholders.
The company has chosen Oct. 1, 2004, as the record and distribution date for this latest dividend to its shareholders.
In addition, GEMM has issued a 60-day option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000 USD. When exercised, the company has elected to distribute this additional 127,336,036 as a dividend on the same record and distribution date.
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 2, 2004--CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX - News) announced today that it has elected to distribute the 95,502,027 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM - News) which were recently purchased by the company as a dividend to its shareholders.
The company has chosen Oct. 1, 2004, as the record and distribution date for this latest dividend to its shareholders.
In addition, GEMM has issued a 60-day option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000 USD. When exercised, the company has elected to distribute this additional 127,336,036 as a dividend on the same record and distribution date.
LAS VEGAS, Oct 16, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX), announced today that it has exercised its option to purchase an additional 127,336,036 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets:GEMM) for $500,000 USD. The Company has elected to purchase these shares to issue as a dividend to all CMKX shareholders as of the October 29,2004 record date .The distribution date for this latest dividend is set for November 30, 2004.
Posted by Ric on :
I still believe if the property was really worth anything then a tiny pinksheet company ran by an ex-prison guard wouldn't had a chance to get it. Could there be diamonds there, I guess so. Could there be oil under my 20 acres? Do I have the money to find out? Needle in the hay stacks will take on person a lifetime to find. A pinksheet company with one drill that spent the diluted shares money on a drag car will also. But since they can't sell shares anymore then where is the money going to come from?
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...it was never given out. only 1 divy was issued. period. the date was changed on the first divy pay day in the middle of the day to the second divy pay date. at no time did ameritrade ever recieve word there was a second divy. i cant speak for other brokers because i only talk to my broker but i was pointed to the dates on the bottom about 1 hr after the first pay date was canceled and again a few days later. 2 ppl told me the same thing & showed me the same dates on the bottom
Posted by bill1352 on :
well i'm off...need sleep bad...be well folks.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: again correct legal BUT the 8K a few months ago stated it was the review of that survey. yes it was missing the map page but in the text that hundreds became 16 & some of those might not be kimberlite. and your assuming debeers did not survey by air. debeers owns that type of equipment, they don't rent it. cmkx is not on debeers board. debeers went back to private before that thus they do not need to tell anyone how they found their claims thus cmkx really has no idea for sure that it was not done. they just know that nobody hired anyone to survey by air...no permit needed for that.
Bill the report was only for one set of claims, 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd,not all of our claims, and it was 15 holes that were drilled, not a reduction of the number of anomalies occuring on all of our claims covered by the Goldak. And that report didn't include all of the holes being drilled by our JV's on the many claims held jointly with them.
"The drilling report was commissioned for CMKX by 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd. Mr. Jarvis was asked to report on and make recommendations for the kimberlite exploration program. The scope of work completed included:"
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal...it was never given out. only 1 divy was issued. period. the date was changed on the first divy pay day in the middle of the day to the second divy pay date. at no time did ameritrade ever recieve word there was a second divy. i cant speak for other brokers because i only talk to my broker but i was pointed to the dates on the bottom about 1 hr after the first pay date was canceled and again a few days later. 2 ppl told me the same thing & showed me the same dates on the bottom
Bill, a quick call to Helen, the TA should convince you that the second divy was not distributed. She will confirm that there was a first and second divy. The first was distributed, and the second wasn't. We can only speculate on why it wasn't. But from the first divy, the brokers had to issue "markers" meaning there weren't enough to go around to all of the shareholders. The DTCC or SEC probably had to stop the second distribution so there wouldn't be another massive failure to deliver the dividends.
Posted by Ric on :
What holes the JV's drilled???? How many??? Where is there proof?? And if they did, like the 15 CMKX did that had nothing, what makes you think they found anything?
I keep hearing you say this but its only a theory. Theories seem to be all that ever come out about this company.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Is today THE day??
Posted by will on :
I'm not sure. I thought the Judge gave her initial finding on July 9, add 21 days to that, and it's July 30. Might be next Saturday.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Okay, I'll go take another nap.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tommorrow means nothing its 21 days from the initial decision that places the appeal deadline on the 2nd of august. They can address any manifest errors in the case within a 10 day window that places anything to do with manifest errors in law by Friday. The 21st was a statement by the judge for the deadline of her 120 days set forth by the oip. but that too was wrong. 120 days from the 16th of march was july 13th. so therefore the 21st is just the 21st IMO ~Phx
Posted by will on :
INITIAL DECISION July 12, 2005 Add 21 days to that. Sounds as if Tuesday, August 2, is accurate to me.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i guess that fact that the goldtac survey being mentioned by name as being part of the 8k report is meaningless. again we see the selective facts mixed with chit to make the cult feel better become the only possible reality. again the 1 piece of paper needed to remove all guessing is missing & it was the company that lost it. yes the survey mentioned 1 set of claims but it aslo mentioned the goldtac survey & it didn't say PART OF THE GOLDTAC SURVEY. the guy that wrote that report seemed to leave nothing to guess at. but of course UC is so smart, he only gave the guy part of the survey so that the big news didn't leak out. big set of balls there to, put out 1/2 info in an 8k while the sec was breathing down his neck. sounds like what stockpatrol is accusing UC of, misleading, 1/2 true prs & public statements.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bill when a survey like that is done over millions of acres, it doesn't appear on one piece of paper. Jarvis was given the parts of the survey that applied to what he was hired to assess. That was the 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd claims and he was working for 10104725 Saskatchewan Ltd. It's clearly spelled out in the report heading. Why would he report on every claim held by CMKX and every claim held by our JV's, when he was only hired to report on 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd? When you are dealing with millions of acres, it seems rather logical to me that you would do it in small segments. But if you are grasping for anything you can use to back up your bashing, I guess "We only got a partial report, so Urban is lying and scamming.", is adequate for your purposes. And BTW where did you get your information that Urban withheld the Table 1? If you have proof shouldn't you get that to the SEC since that would be purposely issuing a false, misleading and incomplete 8K. I'm sure Stoecklein is dumb enough to get caught in that one.
"Summary of Activities and Work Programs Completed in the Fort a al Corne Area by 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd on behalf CMKM Diamonds Inc.
Prepared by William Jarvis, Diamond Elporation Consultant April 2005 for 10104725 Saskatchewan Ltd."
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, go back & read the pr about the survey...i dont remember where it was but the goldtac survey was not over every claim held by cmkx & group. it was only over around 70,000 acres. the pr also stated when the survey was done that the survey was to be reviewed by pro's not part of the survey was to be reviewed. if i remember correctly it was a big deal for the cult, hundreds of anomolies & only part of the claims were covered by goldtac.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Actually bill, the survey covered an area of approximately 53,841 km. Since it was "area" that would be sq km. To obtain sq miles, you multiply the km by .6214 In this case that would be a survey area of 33,456.80 sq miles. To derive acres from miles, multiply the square miles by 640, the number of acres in a square mile. That number is 21,412,352 sq acres, involved in the survey. A long way from your 70,000 acres.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Come on Bill, all those folks you were talking to at PB 32 about your "facts" are watching here for your proof.
Posted by cobracobra on :
like i said, legal has the facts, he has said just about everything. when he posts to much fact you all have to resort to th "kool aid" and "cult" cracks. where are the facts to refute legal's? maybe you can't! And this is the part where you have to bash me because i am agreeing with him and stating that he has you with FACTS. go ahead, i'll wait........
Posted by legaleagle on :
cobra, the cavalry will be along soon. I heard the bugle in the distance.
Posted by cobracobra on :
that was n't a bugle call, it was taps for them....LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
Agreed, the "little big horn" will be poking them soon.
Posted by Upside on :
If your referring to the 2004 Goldak survey that's in CMKX's filing, that survey covered just under 2.3 million acres.
Posted by will on :
..and the results were ????
Posted by a4realguy on :
You guys don't have enough to do..
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: If your referring to the 2004 Goldak survey that's in CMKX's filing, that survey covered just under 2.3 million acres.
Agreed Up, that's what it covered for our claims, but there were more companies involved in contracting the entire survey, than just CMKX. Even DeBeers was involved.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well if up says it was 2.1 million acres i'll take that number. i had something over 70,000 acres in my memory, 76,000 i seem to have stuck in there. as for the 8k report again it does not say part of that survey, i do agree it stated a certain compnay Sask. plus a number. the 8k also cover the now gone smeaton or carolyn claims. & the core samples tested. as for your claim cobra that i haven't stated fact, if i'm wrong on the size of the goldtac survey, oh well. the cult should have such a good record. so far the cult is batting zero. not 1 of their claims has been proven true or based on fact. show me proof they found more then .0011 micrograms of diamonds. show me proof that insiders own 51% show me proof cmkx has any proven value. i have given proof UC lied to the SEC & shareholders direct from his mouth & hand.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:the survey covered an area of approximately 53,841 km.
That can't be right, can it? That's approaching 10% of all of Saskatchewan and more than twice the Fort A La Corne area. You sure that number isn't referring to line-kilometers?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:the survey covered an area of approximately 53,841 km.
That can't be right, can it? That's approaching 10% of all of Saskatchewan and more than twice the Fort A La Corne area. You sure that number isn't referring to line-kilometers?
It was "area", so it would have to be squared. As I recall, there was a good deal of discussion back in those days about whether it was linear or area because PR's conflicted.
If linear, then calculations would have to be done with the 150 meter lines by 40 meter cell size. That would be 600 sq meters per 150 linear meters.
If you divide the 53,841 km "linear" measurement by the 150 meter units, you get 359 cells of 600 square meters each. That would be a total of 215,400 sq meters or 133,850 sq miles. 133,850 x 640 acres per mile = 85,664,000 sq acres. Either way you go it's a ton of acreage surveyed.
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: well if up says it was 2.1 million acres i'll take that number. i had something over 70,000 acres in my memory, 76,000 i seem to have stuck in there. as for the 8k report again it does not say part of that survey, i do agree it stated a certain compnay Sask. plus a number. the 8k also cover the now gone smeaton or carolyn claims. & the core samples tested. as for your claim cobra that i haven't stated fact, if i'm wrong on the size of the goldtac survey, oh well. the cult should have such a good record. so far the cult is batting zero. not 1 of their claims has been proven true or based on fact. show me proof they found more then .0011 micrograms of diamonds. show me proof that insiders own 51% show me proof cmkx has any proven value. i have given proof UC lied to the SEC & shareholders direct from his mouth & hand.
Like i said, if you cant refute the facts as given,,, you resort to using the "cult/Koolaid" comments. As i said you would. It is not hard to fathom that the goldak was bigger than CMKX alone. Other companies could have easily been involved. why refute the acreage(<spelling??) numbers are as good a fact as can be. heck you have been telling us that the numbers are key in the filings and that they will proove your side when thay come out, why cant the numbers be right on our side, oh i forgot we are the "Cult" so numbers are wrong from us. COBRA
Posted by ed19363 on :
Are you guys still wasting time here? There are thousands of dollars to be made in HISC, NCDP, and GRYF while you're arguing about a stock that's stuck at .0001 or less......
Posted by legaleagle on :
Tri-axial gradient data was obtained for all of the Joint Venture land area from the airborne Goldak Tri-Max System run on 150 meter lines and on a 40 meter cell size. The anomalies are located across the length of the known kimberlite trend and in-house specialists at De Beers are modeling the size of these features. The high resolution of this survey will also permit re-definition of many of the historical kimberlite outlines.
"Due to the overall cost and the magnitude of this survey area to be conducted, financing for the survey will be provided through a joint venture between CMKM Diamonds Inc. and several other Fort a La Corne claim owners whom are publicly U.S. and Canadian Exchange traded companies."
Posted by Upside on :
Line-kilometers relate to the size of the grid thats being surveyed and the spacing of those lines on the grid, it's a relatively meaningless term. In CMKX's drilling report, the Goldak survey covered 52,688 line-kilometers (very close to your number) which equaled approx. 2.3 million acres. It looks to me as though that was the total coverage of the survey for all parties, although I don't see where there were any other parties involved. There's a picture in the filing that shows the grid of where the survey took place, its a rectangular box over all of CMKX's claims which would account for the somewhat larger acerage amount than what CMKX actually holds.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Are you guys still wasting time here? There are thousands of dollars to be made in HISC, NCDP, and GRYF while you're arguing about a stock that's stuck at .0001 or less......
ed, aren't you here wasting OUR time? BTW HISC down another 5.5% currently. CMKX unchanged.
Posted by Upside on :
Making money elswhere too Ed but come on, this is our life!
Posted by mydogsky on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:the survey covered an area of approximately 53,841 km.
That can't be right, can it? That's approaching 10% of all of Saskatchewan and more than twice the Fort A La Corne area. You sure that number isn't referring to line-kilometers?
It was "area", so it would have to be squared. As I recall, there was a good deal of discussion back in those days about whether it was linear or area because PR's conflicted.
If linear, then calculations would have to be done with the 150 meter lines by 40 meter cell size. That would be 600 sq meters per 150 linear meters.
If you divide the 53,841 km "linear" measurement by the 150 meter units, you get 359 cells of 600 square meters each. That would be a total of 215,400 sq meters or 133,850 sq miles. 133,850 x 640 acres per mile = 85,664,000 sq acres. Either way you go it's a ton of acreage surveyed.
Please help me understand your math.
From what I understand are Line Kilometres each line is the length the aerial device flies in a straight distance. Your 40 metre cell size doesn't make sense unless you are talking about Line spacing. So do you mean line spacing = 40 metres? And why are you using 150 as your number for the distance of the line? Was that in a pr?
And dude, come on, basic math. You can't divide 53,841 km by 150 metres and expect to get a number that is right. They are in different units. One is km and the other is simply in metres. You would either need to take the metre reading up to km or would need to take the km reading down to metres.
You guys don't have all the facts, you just like to talk a lot and make it look like you do.
-sky
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Are you guys still wasting time here? There are thousands of dollars to be made in HISC, NCDP, and GRYF while you're arguing about a stock that's stuck at .0001 or less......
ed, aren't you here wasting OUR time? BTW HISC down another 5.5% currently. CMKX unchanged.
You're absolutely correct on those numbers. However, HISC down 5/5% means I ONLY got $4000 profit. CMKX unchanged means I still havent seen a penny.....LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
CUAL, I'll leave yall to your misery, or whatever.
Posted by justplayin on :
WTF, my account shows CMKX UP.
How can this be????
Posted by ACKCANE on :
several trades at .0002!! What's up?????
Posted by will on :
If that's accurate and not a .00002 fatfinger, I would say CMKX is up. Try to sell it though at .0001, bet it will sit there forever. LOL
quote:Originally posted by ACKCANE: several trades at .0002!! What's up?????
Posted by lanebro on :
Doing some racetrack DD...word has it UC is going broke, or to jail. His sponsor deal with Arend was 50% up front, 50% at mid-season. The other funny car got 100% upfront. Hence the parting of ways with Arend. NHRA is in an uproar, many want to see the sponsor, the drivers, team owners, and the CEO of NHRA go to jail for allowing this scam to take advantage of the good fans. WooHoo, can't wait to get to Seattle!
Posted by Upside on :
Damn! I wish I lived closer to Seattle, that might be fun. Hey Will, road trip?
Posted by will on :
NO! I don't understand the sponsordhip deal, for one, and how in the heck you figure the guy is going to jail. If they put all the people who went broke in jail there would more broke people in there than drug dealers. Did he pay the 50% upfront, did he pay the 100% upfront on the other car? That really isn't very clear, is it? Besides does it really matter, they guy's money machine is broke, no more printing allowed with premanent revocation around the corner. If there are remnants of this pos around for the Chicago October race, maybe I'll go stuff my face with hotdogs and burgers.
Posted by Upside on :
Come on! I've got it pegged at about 30 hours. You do all the driving, I'm sightseeing.
Posted by will on :
I wouldn't care if they killed the guy and everyone associated with this pos. If it is a REAL news story I'll see it on CNN or FOX. Although I would like to see that topogigio guy get a couple limbs torn off his body, or Ron Casavant get his nose bit off. Ron Cassavant, I remember that one repost of legal's where the guy said he was very intellegent. They must use several Ron Casavants because the one I met was friggin mope. Let's plan on the October Chicago race if this thing is still crawling around.
Posted by Upside on :
What the heck do you think they'll be racing by October? Tricycles? This whole thing is falling apart right in front of us, Seattle might be our only chance. I'll even do some of the driving, I'll take the Idaho portion.
Posted by will on :
Yea, I'll take a Idaho potato and stuff it up your exhast port, pal. I ain't going. It's all bullchit, nothing is going to happen, never does with this pos. Stay home and listen to CD's with the Mrs., if you don't choke yourself with USB cables. Now leave me alone with Seattle. Better yet, take Wallace with ya. LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Little touchy today fella? I thought you'd be in a good mood with your big day ahead.
Posted by will on :
Look I gave you sound advice. 30 hours of listening to CD's with you, and there's a good possibility you'll be living alone. 30 hours driving with Wallace, there's a good possibility you will jump out of a moving car and break your neck. Either way, you'll have what you deserve. LOL
Posted by Upside on :
30 hours in a car with you would be about 29 hours and 45 minutes of pure hell.
Posted by lanebro on :
quote:Originally posted by will: NO! I don't understand the sponsordhip deal, for one, and how in the heck you figure the guy is going to jail. If they put all the people who went broke in jail there would more broke people in there than drug dealers. Did he pay the 50% upfront, did he pay the 100% upfront on the other car? That really isn't very clear, is it? Besides does it really matter, they guy's money machine is broke, no more printing allowed with premanent revocation around the corner. If there are remnants of this pos around for the Chicago October race, maybe I'll go stuff my face with hotdogs and burgers.
I'm sorry I did not make myself clear; Arend's 2nd payment was instead a fond farewell. The other team had the foresight to get it all up front. All I can say, it's bulls**t to pull funding from a team that well deserved it. I hope UC rots from the inside out for this. And I'll give mopey Ron a firm handshake this weekend for you all when/if I see him.
Posted by will on :
Now, now, think how much you would learn, potatoboy.
Posted by will on :
"I'm sorry I did not make myself clear; Arend's 2nd payment was instead a fond farewell. The other team had the foresight to get it all up front. All I can say, it's bulls**t to pull funding from a team that well deserved it. I hope UC rots from the inside out for this. And I'll give mopey Ron a firm handshake this weekend for you all when/if I see him."
Well, if the guy is broke, what can he do? Someone had the smarts to get it all upfront, good for them. Do you think they can go after him for not being able to pay the sponsorship fee? Now, that raving pack of "hillbilly" fans might exact some other type justice, which is fine with me, but I seriously doubt anything will happen. Just another casualty of this guy's way of doing business, collateral damge.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:I hope UC rots from the inside out for this.
If he's gonna rot, I hope it's from the outside in, someone might post a picture of it.
Posted by Ric on :
This is the big problem with this stock. These people post over and over again unproven theories as facts till they are posted so many time that they really believe they are. Repeating a habit or thought over and over for so long and your brain starts to believe even the best of lies. Thats how brainwashing works. Then when ask to back it up with facts its either some other theory or I did my dd you have to do your own. But they never do post cold hard facts to back anything up. Then this unexperienced investor come in here and hear these theories then tell them that it is a fact and post this wild made up stories to make newbies think this is the play of a life time. So what, they did a survey, it takes more then a survey to actually get a product. Billions of dollar of exploration for Debeers. Yet these people really think that they have something. But they have no proof of it because its a secrete that UC must hide it to protect his claim. Bull**it. Quit posting garbage and post proof of your statement. There has been no facts to back up that this company has anything except 30 million in debt, 703 billion shares, and one less drag car.
Posted by will on :
Well, I didn't follow all that "how many acres did the survey cover". Whose figures were correct , legal's, or Upside's. Seems there was a difference between area and line measurement. Which is correct?
Posted by legaleagle on :
As I stated, this has already been argued last year and noone came up with verifiable numbers. The point I was making was that bill made some unverifiable statements at PB32. Now he is finally trying to come up with some proof of his statements, and they just aren't on the mark.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by lanebro:
quote:Originally posted by will: NO! I don't understand the sponsordhip deal, for one, and how in the heck you figure the guy is going to jail. If they put all the people who went broke in jail there would more broke people in there than drug dealers. Did he pay the 50% upfront, did he pay the 100% upfront on the other car? That really isn't very clear, is it? Besides does it really matter, they guy's money machine is broke, no more printing allowed with premanent revocation around the corner. If there are remnants of this pos around for the Chicago October race, maybe I'll go stuff my face with hotdogs and burgers.
I'm sorry I did not make myself clear; Arend's 2nd payment was instead a fond farewell. The other team had the foresight to get it all up front. All I can say, it's bulls**t to pull funding from a team that well deserved it. I hope UC rots from the inside out for this. And I'll give mopey Ron a firm handshake this weekend for you all when/if I see him.
Lanebro, you've been complaining that we had racing teams and now you are complaining that we are paring down the racing teams. You seem very hard to please. Which is it?
Wouldn't it be interesting if Jeff shows up soon in the "GOT CIM?" car
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this Quote By Jim Dunn....Sweet!!
Tony Bartone Jim Dunn Racing/CMKX Monte Carlo Funny Car
Jim Dunn Racing and CMKX Diamonds ready for Seattle
Seattle, prerace: Tony Bartone, driver of the Jim Dunn Racing/Got CMKX?/Lucas Oil Funny Car, will make his 50th career start in a nitro Funny Car when the NHRA tour returns to Pacific Raceways this weekend for the 18th annual CARQUEST Auto Parts NHRA Nationals.
“I’m looking forward to racing in my 50th national event in Seattle,” said Bartone, who advanced to the final round in Las Vegas earlier this year. “The performance of the Got CMKX?/Lucas Oil car has steadily improved all season long and we want to continue that trend at Pacific Raceways. The Jim Dunn Racing team has forged a strong relationship with Urban Casavant and we would love to reward their support with a victory.”
Bartone, who has won 28 NHRA national events during his drag racing career, enters the CARQUEST Nationals after enjoying one of his best qualifying efforts of the season in Denver last weekend. A former Top Alcohol Funny Car world champion, Bartone has already doubled his career round win total in Funny Car this season. Crew chief and team owner Jim Dunn has also tuned Bartone to his career-best elapsed time and speed.
“The Jim Dunn Racing team has done an excellent job for CMKX,” said Urban Casavant. “Their efforts both on and off the track have combined for great results. The entire team does an outstanding job of representing CMKX and we are proud to support their hard work.
“It is a thrill to be associated with Jim Dunn, a true drag racing icon, and the associate sponsors the team represents. Lucas Oil, Craftsman, Superwinch, Gates Belts and Hose and Cabo Wabo Tequila have created a vast number of cross promotion opportunities. We’re looking forward to some exciting developments in the near future with Sammy Hagar.”
“In my 50-plus years of being involved in drag racing, Urban Casavant is one of the most pleasurable business partners I have ever been associated with,” said Dunn, “Casavant Mining has helped propel our team to the next level with state-of-the-art equipment and a first class pit side hospitality area. We’re looking forward to greeting our fans and guest’s this weekend at Pacific Raceways.”
Posted by legaleagle on :
As for the Arend "flap" I think he makes it very clear in his PR that he wants a faster car and was pushing Urban to invest more for the second half of the season. Urban didn't give. Jeff thinks that since he is usually first off the line that he would win more races with better equipment. May be true, maybe a "Got CIM" car would be faster. But whichever, it is difficult to read out of this maneuver by Arend that CMKX is broke and unable to pay; or the "Urban is going to jail." crap has any merit whatsoever.
"The 42-year-old Canadian native advanced to the final round in Bristol and made it to the semifinals in Chicago. Arend also qualified in the No. 2 spot in Englishtown with a career-best 4.792 at 322.19 mph. The former NHRA Funny Car national event champion also established himself as the best driver in the class at the starting line. Going into Denver, Arend had left first on his opponent 75 percent of the time during eliminations. He is currently 13th in the POWERade point standings, just 100 points out of the top 10."
Posted by legaleagle on :
If you want to do some amazing DD, find out how much of this Kimberlite 122 that CMKX owns.
Kensington Resources Ltd.: Encouraging Macrodiamond Results for Fort a la Corne Kimberlite 122 16:54 EDT Thursday, July 21, 2005
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Hide advertisement VANCOUVER, British Columbia (Business Wire) -- Kensington Resources Ltd. (the "Company") (TSX VENTURE:KRT) announces encouraging macrodiamond recoveries from minibulk sampling at Kimberlite 122 in 2004. A total of 248 macrodiamonds weighing 28.81 carats, including 23 stones larger than 0.25 carats, were recovered from three 36-inch (914 mm) diameter drillholes located on Kimberlite 122 during the 2004 minibulk sampling program on the Fort a la Corne Diamond Project in Saskatchewan.
"The recovery of many stones larger than 0.25 carats and two larger than one carat supports our model of a larger stone population in Kimberlite 122," states Robert A. McCallum, President & CEO of Kensington Resources Ltd. "Diamond recoveries and actual sample grades for stones in the +5 and higher sieve categories from 2004 are comparable to those seen in 2000, although the total carats recovered last year fell short of program expectations. Macrodiamonds recovered in the 2000 program were of high quality and we look forward to receiving the valuations for the 2004 macrodiamonds."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
It doesn't matter if that Goldak Survey was over all of Canada. Unless they have confirmed finds with diamonds, they have nothing. Until they have confirmed finds, the claims (whoever the hell owns them) have little or no value. Finding or having kimberlite does little to guarantee finding diamonds. It is more likely that finding kimberlite means there are no diamonds as much as finding sea bass would mean there are no diamonds.
Now, to Arend. Who the hell cares how good or bad he is? That Funny Car never put any money into any stockholder's pocket and it never will. If anything, it took money out of shareholders' pockets.
will,
Upside wouldn't have to jump. I'd probably push Upside out the window. He'd be trying to agree, or make it appear that he agreed, with everything I said during the trip. Can you imagine how boring that would be? LOL
PS: Re the above about kimberlite. Then, if diamonds are found, they must be worthwhile and profitable enough to be mined....not miniscule bits as announced. Much, much larger would be required.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Homeland Integrated Security Systems, Inc (PK: HISC) at 0.11, up 0.019 (+20.88%) on 35,993,828 shares. Yesterday Homeland Integrated Security Systems stated that it received a blanket purchase order for over $5.5 million of explosives detection equipment.
That's in addition to a previous contract for $2.5 mil as well as an earlier announcement that HISC had NET INCOME of $585K+. I am sure CMKX can meet and outperform those statistics, huh, legal. I think they closed about .108 today....a far cry from under .0001 as with CMKX and a great move from .004 where I bought it. I don't mind going to the the bank with that kind of profit.
The above was one of today's Blitztrader releases, obviously prior to the close. Also, HISC also projected an expected NET income of around $7 mil for close of 2005. How much has CMKX projected?
Posted by legaleagle on :
W) It is more likely that finding kimberlite means there are no diamonds as much as finding sea bass would mean there are no diamonds.
L) You drinking tonight?
W) Now, to Arend. Who the hell cares how good or bad he is? That Funny Car never put any money into any stockholder's pocket and it never will. If anything, it took money out of shareholders' pockets.
L) Seem like CMKXtreme, a private company, owns pays for and controls that sponsorship. So until proven diffently it didn't cost CMKX a dime.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Upside wouldn't have to jump. I'd probably push Upside out the window. He'd be trying to agree, or make it appear that he agreed, with everything I said during the trip. Can you imagine how boring that would be? LOL
Dang, you really do have me pegged!
Posted by will on :
I'll go with ya UpMan, just to keep things balanced. It's easy for me to be disagreeable, comtemptible even. Actually it's a pleasure. LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Disagreeable defines your personality. As does rotting, disgusting, vile, malicious and many, many other adjectives that are escaping me right now.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L) You drinking tonight?
W: Never started. Always the sober driver.
L) Seem like CMKXtreme, a private company, owns pays for and controls that sponsorship. So until proven diffently it didn't cost CMKX a dime.
W: A more likely scenario is that "until proven differently" it cost CMKX shareholders a bundle, since the monies probably came from UC dumping their company's shares on the market.
Upman,
Just kidding above. Will would be better company anyway. He's a laugh a minute.
Posted by will on :
SO ?
legal loves me, he even said I was an old softie. Didn't really like that choice of words, but I'm sure he meant I am kind and generous. Think he tried to sneak some of that toilet humor he's famous for in there?
Posted by Ric on :
Not sure how accurate or old this is but if true it throws out the fact that UC owns much in this company. He issued himself 32 billion and sold 31 billion for a kool 3.1 million profit if you figue he avg. .0001. Looks like most of Casavants family was smart and dump there free shares.
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Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Will would be better company anyway. He's a laugh a minute.
Yeah, for about a minute. Spend a day with him. After that fun filled first minute is up, you'll be looking for an escape route.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LOL, like will suggested, there's always the window! Reminds me of an old joke:
Heavy set woman and husband on a long trip and she kept harping at husband to stop so she could go to bathroom. Since he had stopped about 5 times that day already he was frustrated and told her to just stick her butt out the window and go. She did. Truckers behind on CBs saw all and one said to the other, "Did you see how ugly that sucker was that stuck his head out and spit out the window"? "Yeah," the other said, "but did you see the size of the jaws on that guy?"
Good night all. PEACE!!
Posted by cobracobra on :
hi wallace i missed you. where have you been all day?
Posted by Otttoman on :
That's the dumbest joke I've ever heard, and I've heard them all. Did you just make that one up to make yourself look clever? Didn't work. Your attempt at humor was the funniest part. LOL
Posted by Ric on :
Here is the detai;ed account where UC dumped his shares on us. 31 billion shares he surrendered at a price of .0003 to .0004. Meaning UC made a kool 10 million dollars off us. What a guy.
Bill you have been talking about other evidence of violations that they could have went with if needed. I think this probably would have been a big piece of the pie if they had to bring out the big dogs. P&D big time.
Posted by bill1352 on :
lmao...ya know...i hate seeing ppl lose so much cash, it almost hurts me yet when i get legal & cobra acting like nothing i said had any proof because the amount of acres i stated & i said it was from memory, was wrong i get a bit hot under the collar. out of all the things i stated 1 thing MIGHT have been wrong. i find it hard to believe that survey covered 2.1 million acres, the cost would have been huge. i still remember something that stated a 70,000 acres number, just dont remember where it was from.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric...notice the dates on the last page??? right thru the end of December, 2004. lets see now, the SEC contacted CMKX about the form 15 from 2003 in the beginning of December, about 10 billion shares were dumped on that 1 page just in december. i love the page with the casavant family...12.4 billion shares left...in the whole damn family. the most they had was 61.4 billion. lets see, using first grade math & having a 703 billion o/s, why by golly they never owned 10% & as of the date of this list they own less then 2%....lets see which would i rather be wrong about, the number of acres in the goldtac survey or if UC owned 51% of the o/s...thats a hard choice but i think i'll go with acres in goldtac's survey.
Posted by bill1352 on :
as i have always stated, i give credit when due, pedro is 1 of the big pumpers, lots of out there theories yet he had the guts to post this. why to go pedro, good job. glad to see fact & truth not lose out to cult dreams. we do know of course someone will be saying he has been buying back at an even lower pps the last few months & now owns well over 51%...no. thats not it...UC owns the entire o/s in street name...thats the ticket.
Posted by Ric on :
Eton properties of Vegas made a small fortune selling CMKX. Please someone tell me what they did to get it looks like close to 10's of millions of shares sold?
wanna bet it was a buddy of UC's Ric???..lol maybe thats UC's down payment on the office/home. that way its a tax write off too.
Posted by Ric on :
They sold 1.2 billion share alone on 8/20/2004 between .0003 to .0005. Even if all they got was .0003 then thats 360,000 dollars for that one day. Volume that day was over 4 billion by the way.
Posted by Ric on :
Just wondering if that was for his house? Could we say fraud?
Posted by bill1352 on :
i count close to 30 billion shares on those 2 pages Ric
Posted by Ric on :
And alot of those where at the high of the stock. So if you figure they avg. .0005 then thats 15 million dollars.
Posted by bill1352 on :
if he averaged .0002 thats $6 million in cash.
Posted by bill1352 on :
by the way..legal & cobra head off to sweet dreams tonight??? i'd love to see what pb32 is saying about now...lol
Posted by Ric on :
500 billion shares on 4/30/2004????? Did they dump the shares for UC??????
looks like computer clearing service had a field day dumping shares...i hope they had extra computers running to count all those shares.
Posted by bill1352 on :
that must be the clearing house UC used to spread them thru the market
Posted by Ric on :
And the cult tries and claims shorting for the volumes. Just check dates of the above to volume chart.
Posted by Ric on :
That right there proves that at least 500 billion shares went to float.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well, i'm off to bed. i hate to say it but i think the chit just hit the fan for the cult. if i'm UC & i found out the OG has this info i'd stay in S.A.....by the way didn't frizzy have this list??? john martin had to see it. but never bring it to the OG's attention??? must be what the confidentialty papers were for. but if i'm a lawyer that cared about my clients i'd let them know they need to stop buying shares.
Posted by Ric on :
Dilution of the last 500 billon shares went to float so where did the money go this was over a period of time when the pps was a lot higher. I figure they at least avg. .0003 with this. So where is the 150 million dollars at? Of course, it takes around 25 million to sponsor a full year on a drag car. Two drag cars and a motorcycle. Billboard at a Nascar race. And those nasty slot machines were he met his partners.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: 500 billion shares on 4/30/2004????? Did they dump the shares for UC??????
Notice the name Sterling Collins & Sterling Collins II on this one sheet. Is this the same Sterling on Paltalk & RB? I understand he also lives in San Antonio.
Also, has anyone spotted their name and holdings on any these papers? The Master List is incomplete; I don't see mine listed.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Now tell me how they increased the authorized without shareholder approval! Had to be something special (like a voting arrangement or a controlling preferred stock) or UC et al violated legal requirements for shareholder approvals. Could be his reason for taking the 5th. If this thing is not a fradulent SCAM, I have have no idea as to how to label it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: well, i'm off to bed. i hate to say it but i think the chit just hit the fan for the cult. if i'm UC & i found out the OG has this info i'd stay in S.A.....by the way didn't frizzy have this list??? john martin had to see it. but never bring it to the OG's attention??? must be what the confidentialty papers were for. but if i'm a lawyer that cared about my clients i'd let them know they need to stop buying shares.
Obvious question there, bill, is did they serve their clients or did they (Frizzy and Martin) have another venue?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Cobra, you are sounding all too familiar. What name did you post here under before you took the name Cobra? Of course, a cobra is a poisonous viper, huh?
Talk to you folks later.
PS: WOW!! This CMKX stock is really loads of laughable fun and a learning experience for many, many people who claim to know how to do DD.
Posted by Ric on :
It was Sterling from RB. He admitted it. 9 billion shares to pump this. Willy should be jealous because he got under a billion lol. What a cool deal for Sterling. Hey at least everyone has his address now to serve him with the subpoena for his role in this scam.
By: stervc 22 Jul 2005, 07:14 AM EDT Msg. 240953 of 240964 (This msg. is a reply to 240934 by Sugarpaw.) Jump to msg. # Sugarpaw, about that Share List...
Hopefully people can now see that I was telling the truth. Urban did not give me 6 Billion shares or whatever the amount that some people were trying to say. It shows the 3,000,000 restricted shares as a gift as I had stated during that "pay it forward" fiasco.
To add, I have no idea who is Richard Collins that lives in Chicago who got 29,900,000 shares and has thus far surrendered (or sold) 5,000,000 shares, before inquiring minds begin to insinuate more things that are not true either.
To further add, Shanara Collins is my daughter in college and Sterling V. Collins II is my son who is now in the Air Force too. As you can see, no shares have been surrendered by me or my kids as it states which means that none of those shares have been sold. Again, it shows the 3,000,000 shares restricted. Please don't take what I had stated in the past the wrong way when I stated that 3,000,000 shares restricted of CMKX does not do a whole lot for my portfolio. I was not trying being arrogant, but it doesn’t as I was simply trying to prove a point.
From seeing all of the things that have been brought out in the light up to this point with CMKX, many people were given many shares for many reasons. Hopefully people can now see that I was telling the truth back then although I do see why many had thought why I might not have been telling the truth. I understand as I was not mad at them back then and I am not mad at them right now either.
you are looking to much at the animal world. COBRACOBRA
Do some more DD.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wanted to let you all have your fun, but "surrendered" does not necessarily mean "sold". Retiring shares, something Urban told us he was doing, could also be "surrendered". Transferring shares to another "Casavant Controlled Company" would also be "surrendered". 40 billion of Urban's shares were transferred to Nevada Minerals as part of the buyin deal as was PR'd. But of course, you all immediately, use a piece of incomplete information, to twist into a charge of "scam".
Posted by glassman on :
you mean this wasn't a scam Legal??? Posted by legaleagle on :
Since this information was held by the SEC, and it was evidence of a "scam" or pump and dump, why didn't they bring charges against Urban or at least use it in the hearing to clearly demonstrate to the judge what was going on?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you mean this wasn't a scam Legal???
Glass, none of us can say whether it was or wasn't a scam until we have more information. That is my problem with Wallace and the Merry Men. They take any little piece of information that can be twisted and try to twist it into "SCAM". On the other hand, my background taught me to wait until all of the evidence is in, before you start making criminal accusations against a person. Diamond exploration is a "complex" world, it can't be interpreted by a "simple" mind.
Posted by Ric on :
Get off the koolaid Legal. His whole family dumped and it also showed where the last 500 billion went to and it wasn't to JV's, sellers or UC. It was to market. And if you don't see it then you are really drinking too much. If you really want to believe that someone that has mislead you all the way gave his shares away instead of selling them then you are really sucked in and need help. It still remains that he only owned 1.2 billion after it was all said and done.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Since this information was held by the SEC, and it was evidence of a "scam" or pump and dump, why didn't they bring charges against Urban
All in due time....
Posted by legaleagle on :
Here's a good post by Sugarpaw in support of what I am saying.
By: Sugarpaw 22 Jul 2005, 07:04 AM EDT Msg. 240948 of 241088 (This msg. is a reply to 240934 by Sugarpaw.) Jump to msg. # Re: Casavant family document
another good post from PB32 by rbitulsa. Link below. ) Sugarpaw
rbitulsa: I have cert shares in my safe. On the T/A list, I will be shown as having been issued those shares. If I were to send those certs to my broker, to put into my trading account, the next T/A list that came out would show that I surrendered my shares. I did not sell them. I put them into street name, so I could trade them.
Point: Anyone here who chooses to replace "surrender" with "sell" is simply dead wrong. Yes, after the S-Restriction is removed and/or after they have surrendered the cert, they have the legal OPTION (and the right) to sell the shares. The "affiliate" insiders have to follow rules, pertaining to how many they can sell at a time (you can find those limits in Roger Glenn's Corporate Responsibilities paper). An insider with the option/right to sell shares shouldn't be shocking or disturbing to anyone.
Nothing anywhere in this list of issued and surrendered certs shows one insider selling one share period.
We know of approx. 61.5 billion shares issued to Casavants in cert form. We know 31 billion of UC's shares were surrendered for the Nevada Minerals deal, and as of last report, had been returned to the treasury in exchange for cash to Ed Dhonau. Of the remaining appx. 31.5 billion, we can see that 18 billion have been surrendered and some 12.5 billion are still held in cert form, so we know that the Casavants moved around 57% of their share out of their own name - these could have been sold back to the company, or they could be in the Casavants' brokerage accounts (I assume they have brokerage accounts), and held 43% of the shares they were issued in cert form (as of the report date). It also looks obvious that UC likely controls the numbered companies, and maybe some other entities on the list as well.
Simple fact is, this list tells us a whole lot of nothing.
They said why in court. They mentioned this. But they said that they were keeping it a filing error unless the court did let other evidence in. Also if you look at the original complaint filed by the SEC they did list illegal trading patterns.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Since this information was held by the SEC, and it was evidence of a "scam" or pump and dump, why didn't they bring charges against Urban or at least use it in the hearing to clearly demonstrate to the judge what was going on?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Get off the koolaid Legal. His whole family dumped and it also showed where the last 500 billion went to and it wasn't to JV's, sellers or UC. It was to market. And if you don't see it then you are really drinking too much. If you really want to believe that someone that has mislead you all the way gave his shares away instead of selling them then you are really sucked in and need help. It still remains that he only owned 1.2 billion after it was all said and done.
You are forgetting, Ric, that this only applies to "certed" shares. Do you have a record of their "street shares" held in personal accounts? I hold certs, but if I sent them back into my Ameritrade account, they would be "surrendered", but I still own them.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Diamond exploration is a "complex" world, it can't be interpreted by a "simple" mind.
Is that why Urban failed so miserably at it? Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Diamond exploration is a "complex" world, it can't be interpreted by a "simple" mind.
Is that why Urban failed so miserably at it?
Still jumping to unsupported conclusions that he failed, Up.
Posted by Ric on :
Well just by sending your shares to brokers doesn't mean they will change shareholder of record but if they did it would matter in UC's case because he can't hold shares in street name. It would be illegal in his case. He would either have to sell them, or give them back to treasury. But if you look at volume the day he surrendered his shares volume increased dramatically. That should prove to a person what happened if you weren't afraid to hear the truth.
Posted by bill1352 on :
remember the drug commercial with the egg & the frying pan???? well this is the text version....
This is your brain on CMKX Kool-aide.....
"Simple fact is, this list tells us a whole lot of nothing."
Posted by Ric on :
Occam's Razor states that one should make no more assumptions than needed. When multiple explanations are available for a (Any state or process known through the senses rather than by intuition or reasoning) phenomenon, the simplest version is preferred. A charred tree on the ground could be caused by a landing alien ship or a lightning strike. According to Occam's Razor, the lightning strike is the preferred explanation as it requires the fewest assumptions
Posted by bill1352 on :
the problem with facts in the cults world is only those that back their position count. it doesn't matter if those so called facts have any real meaning. to qualify as a fact to the cult all it has to do is land in the realm of it has possible meanings of good things, thus the long draw out lists of who know's who & who has done what in the past. even the claims are based on possible value because they are next to real finds as pr cmkx prs. not 1 fact in cult world is based on concrete money in the bank. yet when handed concrete fact that something is wrong, things are not adding up to future cash gains, that somebody is erasing any possible facts your told you have no facts. your told just because its in black & white it doesn't mean what it says. you have to think in a differant way. it had to be stated like that our it would hurt our future. truth is not even 2 yr olds are so dence.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya half expect to hear a news item about the cmkx cult member at a lottery office screaming those numbers cant be right because they dont match my ticket.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Still jumping to unsupported conclusions that he failed, Up.
Well, I guess the final bell hasn't rung yet but come on, everything, and I mean everything that's coming to light is pointing straight at this being a scam of epic proportions. I don't believe this is going to end with a mere revocation, that would be an insult to everyone that got snookered by this con man. If this guy took some 60,000 shareholders, a good portion of them novice investors, and ran off with their money like it appears he did, some type of justice has to be meted out.
Posted by legaleagle on :
One thing that is being examined on the boards is that, if the government issued this list under a FOIA, then the SS# would have been redacted. To issue the personals in a public document would have been a serious Federal criminal act. So the source of this document should be under careful scrutiny. Since the markings show that it is an EXHIBIT, it may be related to the hearing, and is probably a genuine Federal Document. However, the source that gave it to Pedro should be examined.
This is a serious issue to each of us that own or have owned, CMKX, as your SS# may soon be published to the world.
Posted by Ric on :
I agree with that Legal. SSN's should have never been included. Address unfortunately are always on public documents.
Posted by bill1352 on :
some of the SS#'s are zeroed out but some are not. maybe ya found a way to get your cmkx money back, at least those that were not zeroed out. if i held certs i'd want to see the entire list & not some scanned copy, a true copy so that i could check if my number was zeroed or not.
Posted by bill1352 on :
notice none of the casavant family has ss#'s...sterlings is there but his family's is not. some that are there have sold everything others. but since that post does not include the entire list i would want to see it if i was a cert holder.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal wrote: "Diamond exploration is a "complex" world, it can't be interpreted by a "simple" mind."
That's what we have been telling you cult members for a long time, legal, but you and other faithfuls are still "hanging" in there with it no matter how "simple" your minds.
I hope they do show faithful cult members SS#s. Might teach them more of a lesson than to trust a scam, pumping crook who belonged in jail a long time ago.
You people who have been pumping the sh:t out of that stock deserve to lose more than your money. You brought innocents into the picture by pumping it so avidly. Meanwhile, others have been pumping and dumping and you supported those actions by your stupidity.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Where the hell are Frizzy's, Martin's or Stoecklein's comments now? What excuses will they make for not telling you faithful cult members? Frizzy was representing the OG members. He had a responsibility and DUTY to inform them of the above mentioned trades if he knew about them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Where the hell are Frizzy's, Martin's or Stoecklein's comments now? What excuses will they make for not telling you faithful cult members? Frizzy was representing the OG members. He had a responsibility and DUTY to inform them of the above mentioned trades if he knew about them.
Some people "think" before they respond.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Frizzell also has a disclosure agreement with Stoecklein, that he has to honor.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Legal, no thinking required, as you have well demonstrated by your posts, your initial $25, your trip to DC, your 2nd $25, your support of picketing the DTCC, by your pumping and by you supporting the pumpers, dumpers and crooks.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
If that information was part of the Hearings records, then Frizzy almost certainly knew about it. Why didn't he tell you OGers? Bet he's been setting you all up for a class action suit against UC and cohorts all along. Remember his questioning certain events in his prior comments? Why did he keep those events to himself?
Bet Glenn knew about all those stock transactions too! Was he or his law firm on the list of sellers?
You OGers, faithful and cult members should show some intelligence and begin asking a few of the many obvious questions.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Some people "think" before they respond.
I don't. Heck, this meaningless post proves it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: If that information was part of the Hearings records, then Frizzy almost certainly knew about it. Why didn't he tell you OGers? Bet he's been setting you all up for a class action suit against UC and cohorts all along. Remember his questioning certain events in his prior comments? Why did he keep those events to himself?
Bet Glenn knew about all those stock transactions too! Was he or his law firm on the list of sellers?
You OGers, faithful and cult members should show some intelligence and begin asking a few of the many obvious questions.
OK, I'll say it again, Frizzell had a disclosure agreement with Stoecklein for the free flow of information between attornies.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
When are you going to stop making excuses for all those people you admire and worship? If true, he should never had made such an agreement. He represented the OGers, not CMKX as Stoecklein did. He did, however, make it quite clear that he favored CMKX, UC et al. Never should have done that though.
PS: You see, that was the mistake the OG, faithful, cult members made (as well as a multitude of others). They conveyed their preferences toward CMKX as opposed to an objective, INDEPENDENT representation by Frizzy.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal,
When are you going to stop making excuses for all those people you admire and worship? If true, he should never had made such an agreement. He represented the OGers, not CMKX as Stoecklein did. He did, however, make it quite clear that he favored CMKX, UC et al. Never should have done that though.
PS: You see, that was the mistake the OG, faithful, cult members made (as well as a multitude of others). They conveyed their preferences toward CMKX as opposed to an objective, INDEPENDENT representation by Frizzy.
It was in the best interest of shareholders to have a free flow of information between the attornies.
Stoecklein and Frizzell should have conferred with you before making any legal or tactical decisions, I guess.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Come on Wallace et.al., gotta try harder. CMKX volume only 160 mil. Nobody is panic selling.
Posted by cobracobra on :
hey easy on wallace he is giving it his all, he just cant do much in his situation, he has nothing but bash, nothing to do but complain about OUR money and where WE put it. So tell me wallace (You wall Street Ace you) what is your pick for today? I need your leadership and just dont know it. We all must know what the GURU picks. there is 1.5 hours left in the trading day gimme a good one and prove your worth. All i see is bash, never a good pick offered up to the newbies as an alternative to CMKX. Tell us one YOU believe in, you know what one i believe in. COBRA
Posted by legaleagle on :
USCA moving up good again today. Maybe their filing is about to emerge.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Stoecklein and Frizzell should have conferred with you before making any legal or tactical decisions, I guess."
Now, legal, you are beginning to show some intelligence.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Viper, what name did you use here on Allstocks prior to using Cobra?
Have you noticed any of us doing that elsewhere. Just people (????) like you and noahltl. Just keep posting. Someone will figure your prior ID out.
Your use of "wall street Ace" is a good clue.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LMAO!!! Legal's having a baby:
"USCA moving up good again today. Maybe their filing is about to emerge."
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hmmmmm...looks like the dilation is about 10 CM, got a while to go yet. Hope the pains arent too severe.
Posted by legaleagle on :
ed, quit looking at that
Posted by legaleagle on :
Frizzell update is out, but he has asked members not to post it on the message boards.
Posted by Ric on :
Like it can be kept a secret.
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members, July 22, 2005
Audit Monitoring
Many thanks to those who have responded to my call for accounting/auditing assistance. I am comforted in knowing that I can always count on this group when a need arises. If you have auditing or accounting experience and wish to participate, please put together a brief resume/business profile and send it to jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com, I would greatly appreciate it. I am not inspecting for style points here. This is for my eyes only. I will most likely ask one of you to be the official inquirer. I would like to have an unofficial committee composed of the remainder of you who have expressed a desire to help. Asking the right questions at this time could be very helpful to our cause. I do not want the company to have any doubts that we are more than just concerned about the progress of this audit. Depending on the size of the committee we might arrange a private room on the internet to share ideas for confirming the progress of the audit. Maybe a list of inquiry areas can be provided to the designated inquirer before each “review session”. I will be asking Mr. Stoecklein for his agreement to our monitoring once I have received this requested information. He has already agreed in principal but wants to review the specifics of my request. I would like to discuss this with Mr. Stoecklein on Monday so get any resumes/profiles headed this way.
Phase I Accounting
John has asked me to do a general accounting of the proceeds received from Phase I. Beginning the first week of April, John posted the original agreement asking for a $25 contribution from shareholders to have representation in the administrative proceeding. We also began the process of gathering shareholder information to help determine the number of outstanding shares of company stock. My representation per this agreement concluded on July 12, 2005 when Judge Murray handed down her decision.
Approximately 5,700 shareholders joined the group. 4,300 members made a $25.00 contribution. There were a few that contributed more than $25.00. Contributions totaled approximately $107,000.
Travel Expenses - Washington, D.C. (three days, two nights) Las Vegas (three days, two nights) Los Angeles (four days, three nights)
$4,000
Labor Costs - At the height of the shareholder information gathering, additional office staff (much of it through a temp agency) was needed to gather, collate and input shareholder documents. As many as 15 people were being paid hourly for a couple of weeks. This includes investigators, consulting attorney fees, and added clerical help since April 1, 2005.
$25,000
Supplies - The fax in program exceeded the cost estimate significantly. Many shareholder statements were faxed more than once. Many people faxed to the wrong fax machine causing us to refax to the dedicated fax lines. Emailed statements required us to printout from our computer and then fax the documents into the dedicated fax system. We have gathered, filed and stored over 200,000 pages of shareholder information. Toner cartridges, fax paper, etc…. An individual paper file was opened on each shareholder (5,700). (We are now relying on digital files). File folders, labels, etc. I am also including the mailing expenses (postage) associated with the fax in campaign.
$12,000
Hardware, Software and Technical Assistance - To record and document the shareholder information, we hired several computer savvy people to design a system that would allow us to receive a fax and automatically convert it to a digital file. We wanted each document to be imprinted with an identifying file number when it was received so we could locate the document for verification purposes. Then we created a database designed to receive summary information of the documents so we could print out a summary of the shareholders statements once the process was complete. This database was designed so that we can sort by broker, shareholder or by ID#. We are now able to access all documents sent in by the shareholders by name search or ID# and we can readily display the supporting documents. A state of the art commercial fax machine was purchased to accommodate the expected volume of incoming documents. Four computers were purchased and four rollover dedicated fax lines were added. Computer engineers were able to route the faxes through the computers to digitize and identify the documents. For three weeks, we rented three additional computers to accommodate the people inputting the faxes into the database. Fax machine, computers, rentals, modems, technical help.
$15,000
I have added to my normal office overhead significant monthly expenses with the addition of the four dedicated fax lines. We have also upgraded our server to accommodate the emails and updates that are being sent to the group members. Paid computer assistance is required sometimes daily above what my normal law office expenses would be incurring.
The above costs do not include my office overhead of staff, rent, phones, etc. My hourly fee is $200 to $250 per hour depending on the nature of the work. I have devoted 97% of my work time to CMKX since April 1, 2005. Other work has been refused or has been referred out to other attorneys since I began this employment for Mr. Martin and the other shareholders. There have been many 16 hour days. There have been many weekends and late nights involved due to the research and client contact. An average week would be at least 50 hours per week. Thus total billable hours would be approximately 600 hours.
This breakdown has been prepared at John Martin’s request. I would ask you (my clients) not to post this update on any message board because frankly this should be between you (my clients) and me. I am uncomfortable posting financial matters between myself and my clients in a forum that will most likely be posted on various message boards and be subject to criticism and probably ridicule by some. John has always had a pretty good sense of what you as a group are needing, so here it is. I am told there are some members that are concerned these contributions are sending a windfall this direction. That simply is not the case.
Phase II
A couple of weeks ago I was asked to send out a new agreement so that I can continue the work we started in March. I never thought there would be such a thing as a Phase I or Phase II, but then nothing about CMKX surprises me at this point. I am agreeing to continue my efforts to work for John and all other interested shareholders. I have identified several areas that I will agree to undertake in what we call Phase II.
Audit Monitoring
I have an agreement in principal with Don Stoecklein that we will provide someone to talk with the new auditor so we can be informed of the progress of the audit. This is not in writing, but I will attempt to get some definite written parameters for this monitoring in the next few days.
FOIA
I have filed a FOIA request for certain DTCC records that we are entitled to receive. Our request has been denied. I have appealed that denial. I frankly expect the appeal will be denied. I plan to appeal that denial by filing suit in District Court. The law requires that we exhaust all administrative remedies before suit can be filed so I must continue my work though the administrative process before filing suit.
Naked Shorting
We have proven without question that certain parties have sold CMKX when such stock was not available. Our proof indicates to me there are at least a trillion shares outstanding and possibly as much as two or three trillion shares. We are making inroads with some influential politicians to investigate naked shorting and take action to see that this problem is corrected.
I want to continue using the proof we have developed to convince non believers of the extent of naked shorting, not just in this company but in other companies as well. I plan to continue to contact those companies that we know have significant short positions. As more people request their certs, stock positions held by the brokers and short sellers will become more apparent. There may come a time and a company that facts arise which will lend itself to litigation. As I set out in the Phase II agreement, I will contact each of you individually for your consent to proceed with litigation before I file suit. I will do so in your name only with your consent. In this area, I am continuing my efforts to get the company to obtain for us the DTCC sheets to which they are entitled.
Appeal of Administrative Ruling
We (shareholders) are not a party to this proceeding. We were granted a limited participation in the original proceeding, but we have no standing to appeal or even file briefs or the Petition to Review. There is a process for filing an Amicus Brief but I doubt that we would do that unless some progress is made on the auditing front. Don Stoecklein and Urban know of our concern about the appeal. I have asked to review the draft of the Petition to Review. I have offered to assist in preparation of the appeal. There is not a lot I can do at this point unless my assistance is accepted by the company. I believe there are some merits to an appeal of Judge Murray’s ruling, but there can be quite a lengthy delay brought on by the appeals process. I will stand ready to respond by brief, by letter or by phone conference to any issue that arises from the SEC, Judge Murray or the company.
Settlement Proposal
Most of you may have read the settlement proposal which has been sent (or is in the process of being sent) to the Commission. There is interest in our settlement proposal. I have no idea when we will have some decision on our proposal. I do plan to communicate with the SEC attorneys regarding the shareholders position on the appeal at any point that such communication may be beneficial to you.
New Investigations and Possible Litigations
I recently contacted Chris Bebel (www.chrisbebel.com) We discussed several areas in which I believe he would be of some great assistance. We are discussing a consulting agreement at this point. Chris has written several published articles in relevant areas. He is a former Assistant U.S. Attorney (DOJ) and a former SEC enforcement attorney. He is a highly sought out expert in several areas of securities law. Chris’ work and contacts in the NASD may be very helpful to us.
The information that many of you have provided as well as the documentation we have received from the SEC and the company has given this office a number of areas for further investigation. We have certain key individuals inside this company, that I believe illegally sold mountains of this stock in 2003 and 2004. I would love to contine my efforts with the SEC, the DTCC, and the NASD to determine full disclosure of these trades. I cannot go into further detail in this forum because I know these updates go directly to the bad guys. I plan on a new FOIA request asking for the SEC to reveal the specifics of the NASD investigations that have occurred in the past in CMKX.
We are knowledgeable of many bulk (billions) trades that occurred through certain companies that are clearly not retail customers. I would like to continue to investigate these trades and the companies involved in these trades. We have many bad guys that made fortunes on this stock during the last two years. I would love to hand deliver to law enforcement in a neat package the evidence necessary to indict those that are guilty of wrongdoing. Additional work is necessary in this regard.
There are tremendous tax consequences to many of these transactions. I am convinced there are those who want us to fail so they can escape certain tax liabilities. We should continue our work to see that these individuals do not have sufficient input to hamper our filing process.
Asset Evaluation
There are many of you who believe we are on a wild goose chase and that the company’s claims are worthless moose pasture. I do not know the value of the company’s assets. If the company is willing to share some information with me, and pay my way to Ecuador and Canada, I would love to make the trip. I would look forward to reporting my findings to you upon my return.
The ultimate outcome of everyone’s investment hinges not on naked shorting or SEC actions, but on the true evaluation of the company assets. We have some information about these assets, but we need more. The more I find out about the company, the more I become concerned that neither the company nor the SEC wanted you to know about the evaluation of the assets at the Administrative Hearing.
Information Updates
We have a new Phase II group that will be receiving all future email updates. We apologize to those of you that have complained about receiving two updates. This brings me to a concern that many of you shareholders have expressed. Contrary to popular belief, we do not post these updates to any of the boards. This update is not designed to be bulletin board material. It is intended to be a communication between a group member and this office. I know that the content of these updates goes directly to the bad guys, the SEC and to other third parties. I know because I receive emails from the bashers almost as soon as our updates are sent to you. Surely, you can understand that some information must be kept from the bad guys. I must refrain from revealing certain facts in these updates because many people repost these updates to people and places that are not supportive of your cause. Please refrain from posting these updates to any message boards. Feel free to discuss any aspects of our updates with fellow shareholders and on the boards, but lets play our cards a little closer to the vest.
It has been brought to our attention that some shareholder information has recently been obtained from the SEC as a result of the administrative hearing. I have received calls from several shareholders that are disturbed that some of their personal information will be posted on the internet as a result of the documents obtained from the SEC. A lawyer cannot advise a client in an area that might adversely affect another client, so I will refrain from giving advice in this area. I work extremely hard to avoid releasing personal information of my clients to the internet for any reason. We have shareholder lists and NOBO lists and I have repeatedly declined to post those documents. You may recall that I requested confidentiality from the Judge before even sending our CD proof of naked shorting for this very reason.
Closing
I have never enjoyed working on any case as much as I have enjoyed working for this group. These next few weeks will be critical. The challenges will continue and I believe the real wars are just now beginning. I am convinced our efforts are not in vain.
Onward,
Bill
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, why would I expect you to honor an attorney / client communication?
Posted by Ric on :
It was already posted on several boards. But then again why should you expect it. This company has scammed so many yet they keep posting that its not a scam. This includes several clues that this is a scam.
Posted by Ric on :
It would be nice to know who these people are??? Looks to me it was UC though from the Master shareholders list.
"We have certain key individuals inside this company, that I believe illegally sold mountains of this stock in 2003 and 2004. I would love to contine my efforts with the SEC, the DTCC, and the NASD to determine full disclosure of these trades. I cannot go into further detail in this forum because I know these updates go directly to the bad guys. I plan on a new FOIA request asking for the SEC to reveal the specifics of the NASD investigations that have occurred in the past in CMKX."
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric you can start with John Edwards and move out from there.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Phxgold's DD was posted here a few weeks ago. But of course personal bashing of phx was preferred to acutally reading it and trying to understand how "death spiral financing" was attempted by insiders of CMKX and how Urban fought it.
Posted by Ric on :
But there was no proof to back it up. It was his theory of what happened. It could just as easily not have happened that way and UC did it all. Until Phx has proof then it should stay IMO column and not pushed as fact like he does.
One big hole in his theory was that they maintained the percentage of shares. And the mastershareholders list clearly states that the last 500 billion shares went to a clearing house to be sold to market. So his theory already has big holes in them.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Way to go, Ric....there is too damn much secrecy in this stock. If the lawyers wanted privacy, then they should have mailed it to the paying members only. IMO, one of them would have posted it anyway, bunch of ijits....
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"If you have auditing or accounting experience and wish to participate, please put together a brief resume/business profile and send it to jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com,"
Just watch. Legal, will claim all kinds of expertise with his previously announced accounting background which he subsequently demonstrated was very little.
Posted by Upside on :
Send in a resume Wallace!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wonderful...now the stockholders have to help with the audit...can this stock get any more screwed up??
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Frizzy doesn't want anyone to know what he has just told you? Public information is public information. The man put it out over the Internet. Maybe he doesn't know that.
I don't much care who Frizzy thinks are the "bad guys" (guess they wear the black hats), but he said next to nothing to address all those sales of CMKX stock by "insiders". The closest he came was the following which would require a class action suit against UC and cohorts:
"We have certain key individuals inside this company, that I believe illegally sold mountains of this stock in 2003 and 2004."
W: That is precisely what many of us have been suggesting for over a year.
Further:
"My hourly fee is $200 to $250 per hour depending on the nature of the work. I have devoted 97% of my work time to CMKX since April 1, 2005. Other work has been refused or has been referred out to other attorneys since I began this employment for Mr. Martin and the other shareholders. There have been many 16 hour days. There have been many weekends and late nights involved due to the research and client contact. An average week would be at least 50 hours per week. Thus total billable hours would be approximately 600 hours."
W: Same old story they all state. He even took work home with him! Heard it before!!!
"I never thought there would be such a thing as a Phase I or Phase II,"
W: Yet legal previously stated Phase I was made perfectly clear right from the beginning. Guess legal knew that before Frizzy did, huh!
"We have proven without question that certain parties have sold CMKX when such stock was not available."
W: Guess who!
"He is a former Assistant U.S. Attorney (DOJ) and a former SEC enforcement attorney. He is a highly sought out expert in several areas of securities law. Chris’ work and contacts in the NASD may be very helpful to us.
W: Another lawyer, former SEC atty and "water walker" for the OG, faithful, cult members to worship! Phase III?
"We have many bad guys that made fortunes on this stock during the last two years. I would love to hand deliver to law enforcement in a neat package the evidence necessary to indict those that are guilty of wrongdoing. Additional work is necessary in this regard."
W: Again, guess who! Brilliant deduction! Phase IV. Tell him to save the trouble and money. The logical people are UC and cohorts...GO THERE! CLASS ACTION SUIT! Frizzy gets the big money though.
"If the company is willing to share some information with me, and pay my way to Ecuador and Canada, I would love to make the trip."
W: Hell, the company wouldn't share information with their auditor(s).
W: Like I said before, such trips will disclose absolutely nothing definitive about assets in the ground that may or may not exist. Records (if they exist at all) are elsewhere. If the company pays for the trip, it's more wasted shareholder $$$$s. I am sure he would like to make the trip(s)....tell him to bring his whole family for a nice vacation. Bet he wouldn't be suggesting such trips in the dead of winter!
"A lawyer cannot advise a client in an area that might adversely affect another client, so I will refrain from giving advice in this area."
W: In short, tough titty! I do think you should get a better explanation of what the hell he means by the above. You are all his clients. How could helping one adversely affect another client of the same group? How could removing SS#s from any document adversely affect any of the OG, faithful, cult members?
W: If legal thinks that response answers questions as to all those CMKX stock sales, he is sadly mistaken. Except for the tiny bit about illegal activity, he said nothing. Send him another $25 legal. Maybe he will let you in on inside information.
W: I am repeating the following statement with comments:
"We have certain key individuals inside this company, that I believe illegally sold mountains of this stock in 2003 and 2004."
W: "Key individuals inside this company". A key individual within or "inside" a company is an officer, director, family member or major stockholder of 5-10% of stock. Inside means just that....INSIDE!
Not outside, not somewhere else, not inside another company, but "INSIDE THIS COMPANY". Can we assume he is referring to CMKX when he says "this company"?
[ July 22, 2005, 19:56: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Send in a resume Wallace!
Wouldn't lower myself by doing that, Up.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Holy crap! Who the hell is writing the script for this crazy play?
Posted by Ric on :
Well, I look at it to that legal made me do it. lol. Come in the room and say I have a secret and you don't know.
I have a question. Why if this stock is worth so much because they have a mountain of diamonds did everyone get rid of there shares? If this stock was going to make everyone rich then why does UC only have 1.2 billion shares. No matter why he surrendered his shares he did do it.
So, since he must be a shareholder of record and he did surrender his shares to market or to Daffy Duck, that means he must not believe the shares will be worth anything. Of course most people realize 703 billion shares of any stock is worthless, most cult members don't. But the only reason then is because UC knew that the stock would be worthless so he got rid of them as fast as he could. He knew that he had gave 500 billion shares to be sold and he knew what that would do to the stock price. But hey he made a mint while pumping the sells of shares. Got CMKX.
Posted by Ric on :
500 billion shares sold on market by the clearing service. This proves UC and company never had 51% and made decisions without the shareholders consent.
Posted by finky on :
"If you have auditing or accounting experience and wish to participate, please put together a brief resume/business profile and send it to jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com," Gee I wonder if whoever they get to help will get compensated for there work or at least have there $25 fee waived.
Posted by Ric on :
I keep being tormented by the context of the following statement by Frizzell:
"It has been brought to our attention that some shareholder information has recently been obtained from the SEC as a result of the administrative hearing. I have received calls from several shareholders that are disturbed that some of their personal information will be posted on the internet as a result of the documents obtained from the SEC. A lawyer cannot advise a client in an area that might adversely affect another client, so I will refrain from giving advice in this area."
I ask all of you OG members to think about it seriously, make inquiries of Frizzell and require him to answer those inquiries in writing to all OG members as opposed to just a few who may pass it on (and maybe pass it on incorrectly).
All you OG members signed an initial agreement for that first $25. Each and every one of you had exactly the same interests as per that 1st agreement. Did Martin sign that same agreement and were his rights the same as yours pursuant to that agreement? If not, why?
I expect those that signed up for the 2nd $25 also signed another agreement. Again, for those that signed the 2nd agreement their interests would be the same in addition to those in the 1st agreement. If the 2nd agreement did not protect and include the rights of signers of the 1st agreement, someone should be asking WHY! Again, did Martin sign the 2nd agreement?
My particular concern for the OG members is the following:
"A lawyer cannot advise a client in an area that might adversely affect another client...".
If all of you have the same attorney, with the same agreement and for the same purpose(s), how could Frizzell be in a situation where it might adversely affect another client? That suggests to me there is (or was) another client Frizzell is/was representing with interests different from those of the OG membership. As far as I know lawyers are not permitted to do such a thing. As far as I know it is definitely not permitted in law.
If there is/was any such other client with different interests, it would seem to me that Frizzell should have either refused representing the OG members or should have refused representing that other client. I can see no way there could be any adverse affect if the OG members are his only clients relating to CMKX issues.
For your own protection and security, I strongly recommend someone get the answers from him and require a public statement as to any clients that would fit into the above "adverse" category.
As far as I am concerned, something just does not sound right with that statement if all of you have the same contractual interests....and that better include Martin.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace you are really a very funny guy when you get in these long windbag spiels.
OK, I'll help you out, since you were apparently asleep most of the day.
Pedro posted information that he should not have on the personals of shareholders. Actually, the SEC was at fault if the lists were actually from them.
But, Pedro is also an OG member. Frizzell cannot advise members on pursuing any action against the SEC or Pedro becauae it would be a conflict of interest.
Please, save some board space in the future and just ask. I will be happy to hold your hand through these complex issues.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Letter from Nevada mines over default.
Ric, go back to the hearing transcripts. Urban and Dhonau agreed to allow Nevada to keep CMKX share of the gold until the debt was cleared.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Way to go, Ric....there is too damn much secrecy in this stock. If the lawyers wanted privacy, then they should have mailed it to the paying members only. IMO, one of them would have posted it anyway, bunch of ijits....
It was emailed only to members of the OG.
Posted by Ric on :
Pedro2004 Dr. Of Diamonds
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All of a sudden you know what a "conflict of interest" is, legal? Not that long back, you didn't know until I had to explain it to you about 3 or more times.
Interesting the way you like to answer for all the others who might be OG members. You have taken on the "mouthpiece" function? If I were them, in view of your proclivity toward spinning and distorting, I would check it out for myself.
Looks like you looked up a word I had previously used too. Saw you recently used it. "redacted" You sure do like to use others' talents as your own, huh?
Posted by Ric on :
I guess o/s was 7.2 billion as of 2/14/2003 but dilution started quickly with this stock.
These posts diffently throws out that the "seller" held nothing close to what Phx. claimed.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Wallace i thought you were brighter than this, i've been waiting for your tips a long time now,,, you made me miss the windfall only you could give me. when will you give me the tips oh helpful one. If i was your neighbor you would help me.
COBRACOBRA
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
cobra,
I will give you a "tip". You wrote: "If i was your neighbor you would help me."
My tip is that the proper grammar is "If I were", not "was". Got it? See if you can remember that for about 5 minutes.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good night all.
Posted by Ric on :
Pedro2004 Dr. Of Diamonds
member is online
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 248 SEC Exhibits 55 and 57 « Thread Started on Today at 11:23pm »
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: All of a sudden you know what a "conflict of interest" is, legal? Not that long back, you didn't know until I had to explain it to you about 3 or more times.
Interesting the way you like to answer for all the others who might be OG members. You have taken on the "mouthpiece" function? If I were them, in view of your proclivity toward spinning and distorting, I would check it out for myself.
Looks like you looked up a word I had previously used too. Saw you recently used it. "redacted" You sure do like to use others' talents as your own, huh?
First of all Wallace your prior explanation of "confict of interest" was in the wrong context. But I forgave you and let you off the hook.
Where was I acting as a mouthpiece for the other shareholders? Are you going there about my reduction of the Frizzell statement you went on and on about, to simple terms you could understand. You wanted the answer because you couldn't understand him, so I made it simple.
Actually I have never seen you use the word redact, but recalled it from a poster at PB 32 this morning. If I had known that you had an exclusive right to the word, I certainly never would have used it, Mr. Webster.
And I also notice that as DD material is being poured out by Pedro, that you are still sitting here bashing me, Frizzell, anyone convenient to your purposes, rather that doing any real research into the information being provided.
You really should look at these documents, there is a tremendous amount of "real" bashing information that you can spin.
Posted by Ric on :
Pedro2004 Dr. Of Diamonds
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Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 248 SEC Exhibit 20 and 21 « Thread Started on Today at 10:52pm »
oh my wallace,,, ya got me there. you've corrected my sentence structure. why would you insult me with the 5 minute memory thing, i will remember it longer then that because i can g............ uh, uhmm, where was i again,,,, oh yes i remember,,,,,,how will i ever repay you. I am glad you were there, i could have looked foolish. almost as foolish as an old man taking the time to correct a mess. brd. post. If you want to insult someone try another fool. this one doesnt play nice with others,,,,,, but dont worry wally i wont do anything that will get me banned. i am sure you are waiting for it so you can report any little action to the mod. sorry, try again. good night angel-lips, sweet dreams
COBRACOBRA
Posted by Ric on :
Wallace is angel-lips, lol
"good night angel-lips, sweet dreams
COBRACOBRA"
I thought legal was the only one to get me rolling on the floor.
Posted by legaleagle on :
WOW Wallace, look at all those General Ledgers. Here's your chance to do a proper interpretation of the entries for your "merry men", so that they know you really are educated in accounting principles as you have been bragging.
Posted by cobracobra on :
legal i know he has been around for a LONG time but i didn't know he had been around since the days of robin hood. uh oh i should capitalize that before he corrects it,,,LOL And before you mention it Wally, i do know that robin hood was fiction, much like your trading skillz. cobra
Posted by legaleagle on :
cobra, not saying he's old, but he's getting out his comptometer now to work up some numbers for us from the Ledgers. Then he will post his "redaction" for our enlightenment.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Wow, it just became clear to me about Legaleagle....I now know who he is..!!! He's ... URBAN CASAVANT. It's as plain as that Fort a la Corne Kimberlite 122 diamond encrusted ore sample in your pocket. Why else would anyone stay here so long antagonizing people like he does. Legal ..er ... Urban is using this board as research for his next project. It's like the boss nobody has ever seen, coming into work as a client to spy on his workers....It's perfect I tell you. Thank ya, thank ya very much ..........
[ July 23, 2005, 01:33: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by cobracobra on :
geez ric if you are going to swipe from pb 32 then at least say where you got it..........
Posted by Ric on :
I did in all the other post cobra. geeze
I did help with the combined list for them.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well well well, i'd say old pedro has been a busy guy. still looking for facts there cobra??? might be you can find a few in all those documents. 1 thing that sits funny if you notice the date when computer clearing got 500 billion shares 4/30/2004 look at the letter from dvorak, just under 200 billion & thats feb 2004 that equals 700 billion. i personally called the state of nevada when the o/s was raised from 500 billion to 800 billion & that was just before the divys own by date in august. the o/s had gone to 800 billion the day before.....a/s is 500 billion in april yet there are 700 billion issued by the company. that doesn't include the bahama stuff, the eton properties stuff.....by the way cobra those are facts & i only had to read to get them, black & white, not trying to glue this clown to that crook stuff.... i'd say UC was printing shares so fast he forgot to increase the a/s before the o/s passed it by. i think the term for that is naked shorting.
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see, i said 360 of UC's buddies from his prison days & ppl around where he lived. i was quickly pointed to the great DD done that showed the Cree Nation had 72 clans each with 1 head & 4 assistants or 360 indians...wonder why the 360 listed don't have any indian names? i did notice the entire casavant family in that list & wasn't that the secratary for SGGM that is related to UC in there, denise curran?? a bit about 29 companys...i'm wondering how the Quapple toffey company helped a mining company to the tune of 50 million shares?
my suggestion to legal, cobra & the folks at pb32 is quit doing your DD & start making toffee. it looks as if its a cheaper way to profit from cmkx stock & much more fun then trying to tie every Tom, Dick & Harry to a real mining company or somebody with cash & might have walked by the cmkx office/ UC's home.
Posted by Ric on :
Someone asked what all that exhibits meant. I think he summed it up quite well.
BungWad God of Diamonds Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 532 Re: ***All of the SEC Exhibits rolled up into 1 po « Reply #18 on Today at 2:16am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In basic terms, it means UC used stock as money, his money, to pay for pretty much anything he could trade them for.
There won't be any audit because there is no way UC kept documents or acctg to explain why each of the hundreds or thousands of different people and entities were given stock. Look at the reasons given, most of them are laughable. Revocation as a final outcome is almost a certainty at this point.
UC paid for everything in stock and when that dried up, he raised the A/S and did it again. Then he did it again.
I will let everyone make up their own minds what this pattern of issuance and surrender means for the NSS theory.
He has a new 3.5 million dollar house and an irrevocable trust but can't afford his race committments or American Mine payments.
When the company was made aware that difficult questions were being asked about the business address, which we now know was a complete lie, their response wasn't to come clean but to try to "make reality fit the lie".
These documents paint a very bleak picture.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Someone asked what all that exhibits meant. I think he summed it up quite well.
BungWad God of Diamonds Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 532 Re: ***All of the SEC Exhibits rolled up into 1 po « Reply #18 on Today at 2:16am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In basic terms, it means UC used stock as money, his money, to pay for pretty much anything he could trade them for.
There won't be any audit because there is no way UC kept documents or acctg to explain why each of the hundreds or thousands of different people and entities were given stock. Look at the reasons given, most of them are laughable. Revocation as a final outcome is almost a certainty at this point.
UC paid for everything in stock and when that dried up, he raised the A/S and did it again. Then he did it again.
I will let everyone make up their own minds what this pattern of issuance and surrender means for the NSS theory.
He has a new 3.5 million dollar house and an irrevocable trust but can't afford his race committments or American Mine payments.
When the company was made aware that difficult questions were being asked about the business address, which we now know was a complete lie, their response wasn't to come clean but to try to "make reality fit the lie".
These documents paint a very bleak picture.
I guess the racing teams wouldnt take stock instead of money. The only question remaining in my mind is "Can we get anything back from this"? The answer is probably a resounding "NO".
Posted by bill1352 on :
mark today down legal, ya might want to remember it...lol i will have to agree with you on a point. frizzy was brought in at john martins request, a big kool-aide drinker. nobody in the cult thought cmkx was anything except godlike. roger glenn got involved didn't he? mahoo was on board. these guy's certainly would not be part of a scam. thus frizzy went in thinking that cmkx was ok & the o/s was high because naked shorting caused UC to sell shares to pay for mining expences. at the first meeting UC of course knew he had to keep these documents secret thus the non-disclosuer. my guess is frizzy stepped into it before he knew just what it was he was stepping into. now had he listened to the bashers he is so worried about he might not have sign that non-disclosuer. but then us bashers had no idea what we were talking about. we had no facts, we just wanted to protect the mm's shorting cmkx.
[ July 23, 2005, 10:09: Message edited by: bill1352 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
"There may come a time and a company that facts arise which will lend itself to litigation."
notice he didn't say use CMKX??? all the facts about a company will be needed & those facts had better say its a solid honest company. cmkx does not qualify. NS'ing is stealing billions for investors but so are companies like cmkx. you can't go into this with a scam like cmkx has your flagship. seems as if i remember this being said on this boards many times.
the cult has been screaming about a mm squeeze driving up the pps well again well.......
"The ultimate outcome of everyone’s investment hinges not on naked shorting or SEC actions, but on the true evaluation of the company assets. We have some information about these assets, but we need more. The more I find out about the company, the more I become concerned that neither the company nor the SEC wanted you to know about the evaluation of the assets at the Administrative Hearing.
the SEC had legal reasons for objecting in court, company value as well as illegal trading had nothing to do with filing. it is the info you might find out thru filing but neither stop a company from filing. the SEC case was for not filing period as they stated many times. the company on the other hand would want value hidden for only 1 reason, there is none. the SEC is trying to shut them down. UC needs shareholder support. he has to have shareholders believing cmkx has huge value thus if it did he would have told you by now, if not in court then in an 8k after court. stocklien may have tried to get it out in court but not very hard. filing proven value in an 8K makes it as public a records as it does in court & as the judge said anything filed up to the end of june would be considered. if stocklien really wanted company value to be looked at or known we would know it.
Posted by Ric on :
I think it is funny that some of the serious koolaid drinkers are bashing padro now for posting this information. I think Jack Nicholson summed it up best, "You want the truth, You can't handle the truth"
Blame the messenger but never blame UC or RG. Even with overwhelming facts they refuse to see the truth. The evil SEC is the blame for filing charges against us. We did nothing wrong but they revoke us anyway. Yeah right.
Posted by ed19363 on :
And the people who see this for what it really is get labeled bashers and banned from boards for pointing out these inequities. It will take some time for this to play out, but I think the cult has some very unpleasant things coming up shortly. Revocation is only the first step. If someone can prove these allegations against UC, he wont be living in a 3.5M house for long. Of course, this is all just IMO......LOL.
Posted by bill1352 on :
geezzzes, so many non-facts backing up what we have been saying here at allstocks for so long its hard to cover them all...lol. legal you have said a few times you had hoped by me going into pb32 i might see the light & join the cult so to speak well let me extend my offer to you. i hope that by reading the shareholder list & other papers pedro got, looking at who got shares & when, money spent on the $60 million gem buy in december 2004 still on the books, when cmkx really knew the SEC was after them, reading frizzys update & doing this with an open mind, i hope you see the light & join the bashers side. you can of course extend this invite to all you PB32 buddies because here at allstocks freedom of speach & thought has never been banned.
Posted by bill1352 on :
notice in the feb 2003 letter to the t/a john edwards wasn't mentioned? bagel said quit contacting desormeau & UC these shares are authorized. insiders were dumping & we know who those insiders are.
Posted by Upside on :
Give it time bill, you know as well as I do that this is going to spawn a whole load of new "feel good" theories.
Posted by bill1352 on :
you mean 50 or 60 aren't already out there Up??? we know the fact that as the only board member every stock issuance had to be signed by UC for the t/a to then issue them has no real meaning. why anybody could have signed them. bagley sent that letter to the t/a to cover everyone involved azz & keep saintly UC in the dark. why i bet they were forging his signature on everything & UC is such a saint he won't blow the whistle on his old pals even if it means all his shareholders become bagholders. now THATS loyalty.
Posted by Upside on :
I think they're going to open a nationwide chain of "Casavant Toffee & Coffee" kiosks located in every mall in America and somehow tie it in with diamonds.
Posted by bill1352 on :
this is funny...Zen & Jay Adobe....
Zen: so you say we should all be happy since we're in good hands with urban. Jay: absolutely. Zen: the same urban that kept no records, promoted the hell out of cmkx at his racecar junkets, took the fifth on everything and somehow spent millions on accountants and lawyers that netted us zero progress on an audit? Jay: everything is not as it seems on the surface. Zen: ah, so this was all scripted out. Jay: exactly Zen: and why should i believe you when you've botched 10 of your last 10 predictions. Jay: I cannot help when tacks are thrown in the way. just be patient. Zen: if tacks keep getting thrown in the way, why do you keep predicting specific dates Jay: I believe in my source Zen: why should i believe in your source. he's never been right. Jay: you need to see the positive. stop being so negative and you'll find the right way to see this. Zen: why is it that i'm being negative when i point out that you've been wrong ten times in a row. Jay: Because maybe you haven't done your DD. if you look in the right places, you'll find the answers you need. Zen: so you're saying everything is public that I need. Jay: If you look, you will find. Zen: Well, if it's all public, why don't you just say it rather than creating a scavenger hunt that nobody can solve, that ends up in your being wrong every time. Jay: I gave you the hint about the Cree. Zen: So what. What does that do? For all we know, the Cree are scratching their heads as much as we are. Jay: Do more DD. You will see. Zen: No, why don't YOU just be clearer and then maybe you won't have hundreds of people thinking you're on acid. The universal response of "we're in good hands" just doesn't work the gazillionth time we're told that after another of your false predictions. Jay: I can't help that you can't see the positives right in front of you. Zen: The only thing in front of me is someone who apparently enjoys jerking everyone's chain with sadistic pleasure in what can only appear to be a challenge in terms of how many times you believe you can get people to believe you and then forgive you when you're wrong. Jay: I don't believe I need to respond to you. I'm placing you on ignore. Zen: Could you do me one last favor? Could you place everyone on ignore and talk only to yourself? Thanks. We'd be much better off.
Okay, back to Indifference Mode. CMKX will resolve itself one way or the other. But my original rule is still the only 100% accurate one so far: If you hear online that something will happen, it will not.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Posts: 1333 Registered: 22-10-2004 Member Is Online
posted on 23-7-2005 at 12:07 PM
GOOD GUYS / BAD GUYS
I have completed scanning the SEC documents and like many others I was beginning to get a very bleak picture of CMKX from what I have seen. I didn't want to post anything until I had had some time to consider the whole picture.
I found that considering the "whole" picture was the clue to this newest puzzle.
Pedro, apparently received this documentation from the SEC relative to the filing of a FOIA for the hearing documents. Those documents paint an incomplete and negative picture of everything that was going on with the company. That's because it was the SEC "evidence" that they intended to use against CMKX. That was their job, to gather and present the evidence that would prove their case. So that is what we got........ every piece of negative information that they could glean from the records, that would help to prove their case. We are only seeing the SEC side of available information and not the company side. That is why we need filings to get the whole picture, the company's side as well.
Why the company didn't choose to include the "favorable" information for the Hearing is completely a mystery at this point. Why didn't they present a real defense? And beleive me, what we saw was not a "defense". And really the SEC didn't present a real "prosecution" either. There was too much missing from their case, in particular calling Desormeau as a witness. This guy was our CFO for about two years and yet was not called to the stand. I think the reasons for why we had a public "show trial" will become clear, later.
Now back to what we are seeing in the exhibits. This company had a few "bad guys" in it from it's inception. And when bad guys gather, bad things happen. The question we have to ask ourselves now, "Was Urban involved or knowledgeable when the "bad things" were happening?" Or did he discover that bad things were happening by insiders and then have to try and reverse the harm? As names of these insiders became publicly speculated upon, their connections to criminal activites began to come to light. Now the "speculation" as to their involvement is being removed as their names are showing up on the SEC documents as having been deeply involved.
I can't speak for the Department of Justice, but in my background I would have been all over this company and it's connections and activities. I may have even, "neutralized" a guy like Shawn H......... and gotten him immunity in order to get inside the operations of the "Las Vegas 'Shell' Mafia". Once I had investigated the CEO and found him to be a hapless victim, I may have recommended a strong, knowledgeable, "street wise" Co-Chair to do the difficult things that would have to be done.
But all said, I think we have to wait until the company is able to make more information available to us.....the other side of the story, not just the one-sided information submitted by the SEC in it's presentation.
"There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens" Ecc 3,1
Posted by bill1352 on :
here ya go...logic at its best....
FOR WHAT ITS WORTH, THE QUESTION HERE IS WHY ALLOW THE POTENTIAL (HEARING) F0R ALL THIS STUFF TO BE PUBLISHED?
If you know that you are engaged in illegally activities, why give people the ammo to whack you? Why go to the hearing at all?
Comments, without the wildeyed speculations of a "master plan" lets leave that to others....lol
My thoughts are that if he (UC) did in fact want to kick us to the curb, he could simply file bankruptcy, before the new (BKTY) laws came into effect. Then he would be free and clear and granted protection by the court...
Also, If he kicks us to the curb now, he is still open for litigation, I would assume, have to determine the duration of actions against a LLC / trust, etc....
Posted by Upside on :
Did you see the 500 million share issuance to the local 7-11? That was when Urban fell short of cash for his pack of Marlboro's, box of popscicles and gallon of chocolate milk.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Did you see the 500 million share issuance to the local 7-11? That was when Urban fell short of cash for his pack of Marlboro's, box of popscicles and gallon of chocolate milk.
Or the food that was supplied to the drilling crews.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal there are so many holes in that idea its hard to know where to start.
i own a company. i sell something that becomes more valuable with time if they are real & sold as originals. i find out 1 of my top ppl is shipping goods out the back door & keeping the money. he is forging my signature on every shipment because unless i sign off on each 1 the shipping company will refuse to ship the orders. i find out. i have the shipping company has proof of 703 billion orders. some orders went to me & my family & were then re-sold. i have forged documents. i then keep it all a secret, tell the cops but they say dont arrest the crook just hire somebody tough & it will all get fixed. take an ad out in the newspaper (filings) telling everyone what happened & that even tho that many originals will never have any value because now there are too many of them everyone will still want to buy them from you. tell everyone we might transfer them to somebody that will pay for them even tho there are too many to have value. the crook can't increase the value cause he sold them cheap & spent the money.
OR do you come right out & tell everyone what happened. send the crook to jail & wipe out enough of the items so that they can 1 day maybe have value.
Posted by bill1352 on :
those drilling crews must have been working for free as no payroll went out. i think if i'm working for free i would want more then 7-11 nachos & a slurpee...lol
Posted by ed19363 on :
I'd want more than worthless pieces of paper, too.
And, since we have no proof holes were drilled, maybe we should ask "What drilling crews'?
Posted by will on :
Well, fellas noah just isn't going to admit it, no matter how much evidence is set infront of him. He could hear Urban himself admit to wrong doing and fraud, and he wouldn't belive that. He would tell you it is part of grand scheme, and has always been part of the "Master Plan" for the greater good of humanity in an effort to capture osama bid laden. Has the good Christian woman of high moral standing capitulated yet, or is she telling people it's ok to buy more?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Who shorted British pound? Currency fell 6% in 10 days before London terror attacks
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: July 16, 2005 3:40 p.m. Eastern
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WASHINGTON -- In the 1988 Hollywood hit "Die Hard," starring Bruce Willis, a group of "terrorists" take over a Japanese banking institution in Los Angeles, hold hostages and make demands for release of "political prisoners."
But it turns out the terrorists aren't really terrorists. They are bank robbers trying to make off with the fortune in the bank's vaults.
Could it be Osama bin Laden has seen "Die Hard"?
That is a question Scotland Yard and other law enforcement agencies are actually asking themselves following the July 7 London transit system attacks that killed 54 and injured scores more as they continue to scour the planet for evidence and additional conspirators.
Why? Because it appears some profited by short selling the British pound in the 10 days leading up to the attacks.
The pound fell about 6 percent (approximately 1.82 to 1.72) against the dollar for no apparent reason – until, of course, the terror attacks sent the British markets reeling still further.
"This was an almost unprecedented weakness and far too sharp to be a coincidence," one economist with more than 35 years of experience in the investment industry, told Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND. "That is, after all, an annualized rate of loss of well over 100 percent."
The fall did not go unnoticed by investigators, who are wondering whether the terrorist masterminds behind the attacks decided to make some money on their action or whether other investors with inside information about possible attacks took advantage of that knowledge.
"Currencies of establish countries simply do not fall that fast based upon any kind of economic or financial analysis," said the economist. "Somebody – somewhere – knew something. Or maybe I should say 'somebodies.'"
Could it be the terrorists have learned to make their attacks self-funding operations?
Could it be the terrorists are actually motivated by factors other than Islamic fanaticism?
These are some of the questions law enforcement agencies are asking – but they're not really expecting to get answers.
The problem is that short selling of this kind can be done with near total anonymity.
"Trade currency futures through a Swiss or Austrian bank via an offshore company incorporated in Crete and you have a totally untraceable transaction," the economist noted. "No one will ever know who made the really big money off this situation, but I guarantee you this – someone did."
It's not the first time suspicion about terrorists – or someone – profiting from short-selling prior to an attack.
Following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the U.S., David Ruder, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission from 1987 to 1989, raised the question of whether terrorists may have gotten away with profiting from their attacks by short-selling shares in the U.S. markets.
Then U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill confirmed the government was investigating possible short selling, but was not optimistic those responsible would ever be found.
Short selling allows investors to bet that stocks will fall by borrowing and selling shares in the hope of buying back at a lower price.
After Sept. 11, Chicago Board Options Exchange data showed 1,575 put options purchased in United Airlines' parent company five days before the attacks. On an average day, only 390 such put options are purchased. Investors bought 2,258 put options in American Airlines parent company, compared with 220 on a typical day. Insurance and other stocks also experienced and upswing in short sales.
Investigators never revealed how much money was bet, but short sellers could have made 30 times what they invested, given the huge plunge in the stock prices of those companies.
Government investigators from around the world never learned the identity of the short sellers in 2001. And, despite vigorous efforts being made to find out who was behind the short selling of the British pound in early July, hopes are slim the culprits will be found.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, on the Jay_Adobe / Zen post, don't you think it would be a little more honest to paste the whole article where it states that it is not a real conversation?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Please, judge, will you put the last nail in this coffin...the body is starting to stink.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal there are so many holes in that idea its hard to know where to start.
i own a company. i sell something that becomes more valuable with time if they are real & sold as originals. i find out 1 of my top ppl is shipping goods out the back door & keeping the money. he is forging my signature on every shipment because unless i sign off on each 1 the shipping company will refuse to ship the orders. i find out. i have the shipping company has proof of 703 billion orders. some orders went to me & my family & were then re-sold. i have forged documents. i then keep it all a secret, tell the cops but they say dont arrest the crook just hire somebody tough & it will all get fixed. take an ad out in the newspaper (filings) telling everyone what happened & that even tho that many originals will never have any value because now there are too many of them everyone will still want to buy them from you. tell everyone we might transfer them to somebody that will pay for them even tho there are too many to have value. the crook can't increase the value cause he sold them cheap & spent the money.
OR do you come right out & tell everyone what happened. send the crook to jail & wipe out enough of the items so that they can 1 day maybe have value.
bill, when organizations have a web of corporations interrelated, you can't just nail the first guy at the bottom. You have to go for the top if you want it stopped.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
"That guy noahltl is as big an idiot as are you. Just reading his post is enough to sicken anyone.
"noahltl
Super Administrator"
will,
The queen would never step down from her throne. She's probably saying to others, "BUY more CMKX!". She's a smart one, she is.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal the site i got that from didn't say it was fake or i would have posted it as such, in fact i probaly wouldn't even have read it. i cant get in pb32 remember? i was banned. second if it wasn't UC then it would have been desomeau behind this stock dump wasn't he the #2 guy??. somebody had to sign the issuance of those shares. since UC was the only board member till mahoo he had to sign off. john edwards wasn't on the list of major stock sellers. the game is up legal. proof is there plan as day. you screwed up by trusting UC. you let crap posted on boards mask the truth. you aren't the first guy guilty of that & you wont be the last.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal,
"That guy noahltl is as big an idiot as are you. Just reading his post is enough to sicken anyone.
"noahltl
Super Administrator"
will,
The queen would never step down from her throne. She's probably saying to others, "BUY more CMKX!". She's a smart one, she is.
"When can't attack the message, attack the messenger." The Allstocks "Battle Cry".
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill: "second if it wasn't UC then it would have been desomeau behind this stock dump wasn't he the #2 guy??."
It's almost like you are finally starting to get it. Now who was Desormeau really working for? And why wasn't he called as the "key witness"? Keep going bill, you're getting warmer.
He was the CFO. Distributed checks, authorized share distributions.
Posted by bill1352 on :
the message was attacked legal, a damn stupid message at that. you have no proof...as you & cobra have been hounding me all week show me a fact!!!! in a few months you get another fact from the bashers side of the fence...UC in jail unless he dies of a heart attack first.
Posted by bill1352 on :
He was the CFO. Signed checks, authorized share distributions.
can't do such...only the board can authorize share increases & distrubutions. thats why they have board meeting. read a few companies 8k's legal. learn the facts first. UC was the board.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: the message was attacked legal, a damn stupid message at that. you have no proof...as you & cobra have been hounding me all week show me a fact!!!! in a few months you get another fact from the bashers side of the fence...UC in jail unless he dies of a heart attack first.
Does Wallace need you now bill, to answer my posts to him. Seems like only yesterday he was answering my posts to you. Oh, OK, "Tag Team". You guys are getting more obvious post by post.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: He was the CFO. Signed checks, authorized share distributions.
can't do such...only the board can authorize share increases & distrubutions. thats why they have board meeting. read a few companies 8k's legal. learn the facts first. UC was the board.
And who carries out the mechanics for the "board"? There's no board meeting to issue each check and share. Come on bill.
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal,
"That guy noahltl is as big an idiot as are you. Just reading his post is enough to sicken anyone.
"noahltl
Super Administrator"
will,
The queen would never step down from her throne. She's probably saying to others, "BUY more CMKX!". She's a smart one, she is.
Hey Wally Gator when you are done checking my Spelling and sentence structure check your own,,, I guess the info that you told me i could "try to keep for 5 minutes" slipped your mind after only 4 minutes. its understandable for you though,,, comes with the terratory (<--spelling?) have a nice day sweet thing.... COBRACOBRA
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, your starting to sound like a 5 yr old whining cause he didn't get his way.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Wow bill, you are sure harsh on him , , , oh,,wait,, isnt that what you were doing when you got booted from PBoards. I guess there are a lot of 5 year olds on this board. In case you forgot what comes next, this is where you attempt to insult me and say some thing lik "i know you are but what am I?....................LOL COBRACOBRA
Posted by bill1352 on :
on that we can agree legal. desormeau wasn't alone he had UC's help. look at the list of ppl that got shares & for what reason. every relative got shares for field work??? even the gal now at SGGM got shares. leather shops, toffee makers, fishing gear. i will bet cash everyone on that list of 360 is friends of UC.
Posted by bill1352 on :
no cobra i was banned from pb32 for calling UC a crook and stating the fact he cheated every single person that bought cmkx.
Posted by bill1352 on :
add to that cobra the fact that legal & i have been yappin at each other for over a yr, at 1 time on the same side. you on the other hand offer no proof of anything other then run your mouth. what i might say to legal i would not say to others i dont chat with regularly
Posted by cobracobra on :
YOU TELL'EM BILL!
Posted by cobracobra on :
OH WAIT,,,nevermind, i mean Hey stop that your being mean.....LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: on that we can agree legal. desormeau wasn't alone he had UC's help. look at the list of ppl that got shares & for what reason. every relative got shares for field work??? even the gal now at SGGM got shares. leather shops, toffee makers, fishing gear. i will bet cash everyone on that list of 360 is friends of UC.
The fact that the family was deeply involved from the beginning in financeing CMKX was hardly a secret. This from the Def 14C:
5) The Casavant Family consists of 22 members who are related to Urban Casavant. Their respective share holdings are reported separately from Urban Casavant. As a Group, the Casavant Family holds 10.7% of the Company's shares. Of this amount 100% are Rule 144 shares. There is no Casavant Family share pooling agreement, voting trust and/or other agreements relating to the shares in effect at this time. The Casavant Family includes: Albert Casavant (3,000,000); Brandy Casavant (2,000,000); Brad Casavant (500,000); Chantelle Casavant (2,000,000); Craig Casavant (2,000,000); Dale Casavant (50,000,000);Denise Casavant (30,000,000); Felix & Marlene Casavant (1,000,000); Gerry & Betty Casavant (300,000); Harvey & Gloria Casavant (1,000,000); Justin Casavant (2,000,000); Kyle Casavant (500,000); Marina Casavant (500,000); Max Casavant (10,000,000); Ray Casavant (3,000,000); Ron Casavant (30,000,000); Ryan Casavant (500,000); Trevor Casavant (2,000,000); and Vic Casavant (30,000,000).
So it is obvious that the "Casavant Family" was a major player from the begining, and received a lot of shares, probably for the money they put up to start the company. It should be no surprise that a member of this group of 22 would be called upon to perform services relative to the company they had invested in.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: no cobra i was banned from pb32 for calling UC a crook and stating the fact he cheated every single person that bought cmkx.
And you did it without supporting fact. Actually I recall from the old days that Criminal Libel is the printing of false statements accusing someone of a committing a crime. It is a crime in itself to do so, not just a civil offense. So bill, in lieu of having absolute proof that UC is a crook, I think they did you a favor by shutting you up before you hurt yourself severely. The fact that Allstocks allows that kind of behavior in here, does not make it right. Nor does having the "blessing" of the Merry Men and Wallace for such activities. These message boards could be setting themselves up for some serious charges when they allow people to spout off in a criminal matter without any kind of proof, so I don't blame PB32 for ending it.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Please, judge, will you put the last nail in this coffin...the body is starting to stink.
Stink? It's already rotten Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Please, judge, will you put the last nail in this coffin...the body is starting to stink.
Stink? It's already rotten
And that strikes me as funny coming from both of you. I guess if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then fragrance is in the nose of the sniffer.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Exhibit 14 ~~ Master Shareholder List as of December 31, 2004
This exhibit contains 504 pages and details stock certificates issued (and surrendered) from 01/01/1900 through 12/31/2004.
I will be working on this Exhibit and I will post information on the entities that received (and sold) large quantities of shares during 2003 and 2004.
...and this supports your position, how? Your position being all's well in CMKXland.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Just info, wouldn't wanna deprive anyone of good bashing material.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well i see roger got the same info everyone else at the court date did...nothing. dvorak & ginger must have ran off with everything according to roger. i'd say its a bit hard to set a plan up without any info.
that 360 shareholder list sure doesn't look like a lot of indian chiefs to me legal. in fact it looks like a bunch of ppl around where UC lived most of his life. notice the entire board was there must mean UC was there too. that 29 companies that got shares, lots of sure mining related things there...oh ya UC signed off on that 1.
Posted by ed19363 on :
If I am correct, according to the letter of the law, it is NOT against the law to have an opinion. Just because that opinion happens to conflict with the majority of posters on an internet board, does not mean that the opinion cannot be posted. Unless, of course, we are talking about PB32 and the people there who do not want to HEAR any opinion except their own. If I think UC or Will or Cobra or anybody else is a stinker, then I have the right to call him a stinker, without fear of having the FBI knock on my door. Meanwhile, tomorrow is Sunday. Maybe it would do us all good to turn off the computers and go outside for a while. I still say this constant bickering will accomplish nothing until the judge finally has her say.
I dont know! I dont have proof! One way or another. I know what I think. Nobody has PROOF, not really. Just innuendo. I still hold shares of CMKX, and I will not sell them at under .0001. So I'm hoping against hope that something positive will come of all this and I MIGHT get just a LITTLE of my money back. I will say this. If I ever become a millionaire from this stock, I will kiss UC's rosy red AZZ in Times Square and give you 5 days to sell tickets. IMO, it's still a scam. You have my permission to post this on PB32 if you want. Hell, you can print it and send it to UC if you want.
Meanwhile, best of luck to those who still play the pennies, hope you all get to retire early.
TTFN
Posted by will on :
ahhhhhhh, got ya.
Doesn't look real good for CMKX, but I know, it's only the SEC's side of the story.
UC was kidnapped, forced to smoke opium, gave his signature under duress, and knows nothing about this.
OR
He is fully aware of it, and is in league with the government, possiibly the CIA, to end NSS, and cut off income to terrorist.
Now noah, don't you think either of those positions are are a bit of a strech. Doesn't any of these documents that surfaced here the last couple of days put some doubt in your mind? Can you really believe everything is ok with CMKX, and you will be rewarded for your loyality? The only way you might see any justice or have any satisfaction is if your O/G sues UC in a class action. By then though, there won't be anything left or it will be hidden away, so no one can find it. UC will appear to be broke and have millions stashed.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal: "then fragrance is in the nose of the sniffer."
Guess you have been looking into HISC, legal. They just made a deal with a "sniffer" company. BUY HISC!!!
I see than nothing is getting through to you yet. Sssshhhhhhhhh! Can you hear it? Splat!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
Don't you know that, in reality, UC is thought to be a CIA agent, formerly a lead prosecution lawyer with the SEC and has extremely close ties with the White House. Fact is though, none of that is true except the White House bit. However, all that amounts to is a blob of bird sh:t on the roof.
Posted by will on :
Were the faithful still buying this yesterday? Will they be buying it Monday? noah, do you intend to buy more? Seriously man, you have either lost all touch with reality, or you are just jagging us off here, which is it?
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal doesn't the fact that legitamate cmkx documents are a diamond mine of info for bashers give you a hint?? doesn't the fact that real info about the company only holds value for bashers & not the cult rattle the hardened kool-aide out your brain??
Posted by will on :
Well bill, like Jay Adobe told Zen, not everything is as it appears on the surface. That's about the only defense they have left, that, and you're too negative to see the positive. I sure haven't seen anything positive, but like Jay Adobe, told Zen, I haven't looked hard enough, or in the right places. A little hint noah, there isn't anything positive to be found, at least nothing factual, only your twisted theories that someone builds to riches from an assumption on top of assumptions. bill is 100% correct everything you have seen in the last couple of days supports the reality of negative position, or that you have been had, and are wrong. Not a thing supports your position. Show me ONE positve proven fact that says everything is ok in CMKXland, not an assumption, a fact.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
" Show me ONE positve proven fact that says everything is ok in CMKXland, not an assumption, a fact."
I know what that is will. It's that that party lady hasn't caught up to him yet.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Soon, someone's going to announce another party, huh?
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
LETS START A POLL: WHO LOST THE MOST ON CMKX?
Posted by will on :
I just can't believe it, Wallace. With all this information in the last 2 months or so coming out, all of it daming, how anyone can hold onto the dream that this is going to turn out ok. It would have to be a sting of epic proportions, it's impossible. The only sting here was perpetrated by an Urban wasp right on the faithful's fat asses, and wallets. C'mon legal, tell me you're just jagging us off now, that you really can't believe this will end in anything except a total loss. Doesn't this shake your faith in this company or this "man" one bit? You're a Christian, so I assume you have to be honest in your answer. If you can't be honest with me and everyone else here, how about trying to be honest with yourself. Thankfully, the Judge has decided to protect unsusupecting novices from being sucked in by your ridiculous position and theories, and now time will lock her dicision in soon, August 2.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"Fact is though, none of that is true except the White House bit. However, all that amounts to is a blob of bird sh:t on the roof."
I know someone who would be proud of that comment. LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
One positive thing. Hmmmm How about the General Ledger entry showing
As of Dec 31, 2004
Mining Claims $126,000,000
Now I asked Wallace to look over those Ledgers and lend his "expertise" but he doesn't seem willing or able to do such at this point. So I will at least let him tell you how Cost Basis Accounting applies to a Diamond Exploration Company when they cost out the claims. He can tell you how that number is the cost of the claims for 2004, not the valuation based on test results. But hey, don't let me interrupt the accounting guru. He's probably irritated about having to clean that byrd mess off his windshield.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Oh, and there was the $12,600,000.00 in Capitalized Mining Costs. But there I go stealing Wallace's thunder.
[ July 23, 2005, 18:40: Message edited by: legaleagle ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal doesn't the fact that legitamate cmkx documents are a diamond mine of info for bashers give you a hint?? doesn't the fact that real info about the company only holds value for bashers & not the cult rattle the hardened kool-aide out your brain??
bill, you really need to read noah's posts better. He made it clear that the documents were those presented by the SEC for purposes of prosecution of CMKX. Do you really think they would put in any good stuff that they may have found? Using this for your "evidence" is like only hearing the Prosecution in a criminal case. Convictions would be much easier.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal, which of your deputies has come back as Cobra? I am sure you know. In fact, you probably encouraged him to post under a different ID just as you did. Gutsy move!!
I have seen that signature, just as I saw yours. Let's see now..... Stoned Pigeon? WorkAHolic? Money_Penny? Pharmdman?
Posted by Ric on :
But there wasn't any exhibits by CMKX that were any good. Most of them were the same as the SEC. Form 15/15a some 8-k's, and master shareholders lists. So to say this isn't part of CMKX's is wrong. It was just duplicate exhibits so they were going one exhibit number. The shorting information was thrown out but that doesn't bare on this case. It doesn't matter if they are shorted or not, CMKX was still a scam that broke SEC rules to hide the fact they sold shares for profit.
On another note, I thought that I kept bad bank account records. This is a public company you can't write a check or deposit one and not list what it was for. This has to be the worst case of mis-management that I have ever seen.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Naw, Ric. UC is a genius. It was part of the "Master Plan". Even Glenn (with his financial background) was confident of UC's capabilities. I am sure Glenn OK'd those ledgers after seeing them, huh? Hell, Glenn probably thought they were the greatest he had ever seen. Remember, Glenn was the one that was bringing the audit up to date, so he must have seen them.
Posted by Ric on :
BadBassPlayer: I'M HEARING THE SEC WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH OUR NEW AUDITORS THEY AGREED TO NOT TO REVOKE US AND DO A FED CALL TO LET HER RUN!!!
roflmao
Posted by Upside on :
Did you see the 100 million share issuance to Dairy Queen? Couple of Blizzards with extra stuff?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:LETS START A POLL: WHO LOST THE MOST ON CMKX?
Im in for 1200. I'm sure that'll be topped though.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Oh Wally, i was just thinking about you and your trading prowess. Then i FFFLLLLUUUUUSSSHHHEEEDDD. I guess once the stink clears i dont have to think about you any more. Other then that how are you doing there in Jersey. Ya know I am from jersey too, I always said it was the armpit of the world,,,,,,,,,,, do you like it here? I know one thing we have is a great pharmacutical industry. Its amazing what some drugs will do,,, one of my favorites is singulair--- keeps me breathing easy on a pollon filled day---and gives me a heck of a buzz to boot. You should try it ,,,, if you have allergies of course. If you don't have allergies it only buzzes you for a while.
So whats this hisc your talking about? is it another usci? were you in that, i was. I pulled a 0001 to 0002 flip 4 times for a good profit and hav e free shares. But i guess those free shares aren't any good now are they. oh well.
Deputy Cobra, Badge number FU-24/7
Posted by cobracobra on :
Upside, i haven't lost anything, Not until i sell it. I wont sell for a loss on this one. Its ride it high or bury it for me. If I were to lose it all i am in for 4300. I got in pretty high compared to most.
Deputy Cobra
Posted by cobracobra on :
OK ric, thats funny even for me. Bad bassplayer is definately shot out if he believes that crap. Deputy Cobra
Posted by Ric on :
From the 2004 summary of the books you will see Loan Payable - APIC for $266,537,685 ???
Definition:
ADDITIONAL PAID IN CAPITAL is the amounts paid for stock in excess of its par value; included are other amounts paid by stockholders and charged to equity accounts other than capital stock.
Paid-in capital records the amount of funds paid by shareholders over the amount designated as par value for the company's common stock.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
cobra,
"Ya know I am from jersey too, I always said it was the armpit of the world,,,,,,,,,,, do you like it here?"
I always referred to NJ as the garbage can of the world. At least we have a similar opinion of NJ. Shows you have SOME intelligence, huh. LOL
Posted by lanebro on :
[/QB][/QUOTE]Lanebro, you've been complaining that we had racing teams and now you are complaining that we are paring down the racing teams. You seem very hard to please. Which is it?
Wouldn't it be interesting if Jeff shows up soon in the "GOT CIM?" car [/QB][/QUOTE]
I was complaining that a NON-company got involved in the NHRA, with its fluff PR, ridiculous claims, and purely in it to steal the good fans' money. Yeah, bunch of dumb, loyal, hillbilly fans!
And Urban's going to jail because he's probably defrauded a federally regulated organization,not because he's a scumbag, tho that's a good enough reason for me.
As far as the CIM car... good luck making past staging, those hillbillies enjoy a good brawl. Pulling sponsor money half way thru the season when you just built a 2M house???? That would be just a little too obvious, don't you think? Here, can't make YOU any money with that ol' company, try this one, please. Read: UC needs MORE $ to fuel his addictions to nitro and whatever else, one car just ain't enough.
If he would just give drag racing HIS OWN hard earned cash, you would have never heard a word from me. And don't even get me started on the PR from the other team. They print what they want you to read. It's called "damage control".
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well, here's the question of the night. Why were Pedro's documents faxed from the law office of Jerome DePalma, mobbed up Vegas Attorney, and son-in-law of Sam Giancana? Thought he got them from the SEC.
"Say, is it possible that prominent Las Vegas defense lawyer Jerome DePalma is the same Jerry DePalma who was the son-in-law of late Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana? Former Chicago cop and crime buster John Flood says the two are one and the same, that lawyer Jerry DePalma married Francine Giancana and that the two were the last to see Sam Giancana alive, other than the unknown Mafia killers who carried out a hit on their former boss. ... "
Posted by legaleagle on :
From diamondmeister at PB32
"SEC witness Helen Bagley, the owner of 1st Global Stock Transfer, CMKM's transfer agent, was represented by Melanie Porter of DePalma Law Offices."
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see you figure those claims values are real? ok then tell me about the $60 million gem buy. that must be real too since there is no entry putting the money back. or the $36 million in the hole yet money enough for gems. fact is nothing on those partial general ledgers is real unless there is supporting documentation, even the gem buy. last we knew for sure there was no supporting documentation for anything. all of it could be made-up numbers to make the sheet balance. no auditor will except that. every number on that sheet will need proof it is real. as of right now the only thing proven is the shares & who they were issued to on the master list & the letter's back & forth. those things prove UC lied to the SEC at least twice, once on the form 15 & once on the second extention form. it is clearly marked as cmkx was up to date on its filings & both extentions are signed by UC. fact of the matter is the SEC did screw up. cmkx should have been shut down on the second extention. some sort of system should be in place to catch companies that keep filing extentions yet never file. this scam would have been shut down then saving the foolish cult from itself. i use the term foolish to be nice. facts smacking them upside the head yet they choose to ignore & even excuse them as meaningless. of course most ppl are guilty of that in 1 area or another in their lifetimes.
Posted by bill1352 on :
thought i saw pedro state he had someone copy them & fax them to him. said something about all he had to do is ask but it wasn't from the SEC. he paid a service to copy them & fax them to him.
Posted by legaleagle on :
OK, here's Pedro's post explaining that he hired a courier to make copies. He implies that he got them from the SEC, so did the SEC get them from DePalma? Things aren't adding up here.
Pedro2004 Diamondologist
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Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 272 Re: Casavant family document showing ownership « Reply #27 on Jul 22, 2005, 1:12am »
Pedro, I don't think you should have allowed these documents out on the internet with personal info on them. You might have gotten yourself into some hotwater. I hope not.
The SEC screwed up!
The Information is open to the Puplic.
Public Record. Anyone can walk up to the counter and make copies. I hired a courier service to make the copies.
But I agree, I will keep any future information pertaining to "Individuals" confidential ~~ With exception to those individuals who received in excess of 5 billion shares for services rendered.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I may be missing something here, but why were these documents being faxed out of DePalma's office on May 5, five days before the hearing, and to whom were they shipped? Pedro, where exactly were these docs picked up by your courier?
Posted by Ric on :
Will since exhibit 59 has a fax date on it of May the 6th, what are you talking about legal? Which document state that it was faxed from DePalma's office May the 5th? But one thing is for sure is if Padro did get this from FOIA which I am sure he did then it had to be after the hearing. They will not mark exhibit numbers until the hearing itself. The court clerk does that. Besides it not available to the Clerks office for release under the FOIA until after the hear and the exhibits could be brought back to Washington and filed.
I would assume that if it has a date 5 days prior to the court hearing then who ever the SEC requested the paperwork from went to his office and faxed it. You people are trying to crucify Padro for putting this out there. Anytime true facts come out about this company the cult goes wild and attacks the messenger instead of placing there anger were it should be. That is with the company. You didn't want to see the truth but now that it stares you in the face all you can do is find stupid little things like this to try and discredit Padro instead of trying to make the company answer for what it has done.
Posted by Ric on :
I had to go back and look at the complete list again. Not the one that legal posted as complete bit left out the first padro post links. Exhibits 15 & 16 - Stock Certificates were the only ones faxed from that office. This was to easy to figure out legal. This proves the cult is out to discredit Padro for something that he had nothing to do with.
The only documents that have this lawyers name (DePalma) on it was from the transfer agents office. So being that it was faxed before the hearing, I would assume that the transfer office uses this lawyer and she had him fax it to the SEC for the hearing. People are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
Posted by Ric on :
Looks to me if you want to know who Jerome Depalma is, you should be calling the Transfer Agent. Ask them why they use this lawyer? The only name this appears on is Exhibits 15 & 16 - Stock Certificates. So the SEC called the TA and asked were is the information we requested on the 360 stock issues and the 29 companys that were issued shares in the beginning of 2003. The TA rushed down to there lawyers office and had them fax it to the SEC 5 days prior to the hearing.
Padro got this information from the FOIA after the hearing, why ask him about something prior to him getting the documents.
[ July 24, 2005, 10:45: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
the t/a's lawyer is depalma. of course the master list would be faxed from his office. to cover her azz anything sent to the sec would go thru her lawyer. same goes for cmkx. the letter about the form 15 went to cmkx's lawyer not UC, it was copied to UC but sent thru the lawyer.
same old song & dance for the cult. if its facts that hurt their belief they look for somebody to blame other then UC or they try & find a away to say it was forged or hacked.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I completely appreciate Pedro obtaining and posting this information. It is far more than we have received from the company. What I wanted to know was from where he actually had the information picked up. Some were saying FOIA from SEC, but Pedro hadn't confirmed that.
Secondly when the TA is using a "mobbed up" legal firm, you kinda like to know that for sure.
When the balance of information, not covered in these limited documents, is finally released by the company, the pieces of the puzzle will begin to come together.
Right now, it is only the "negative" evidence that the SEC planned to use against the company. Naturally it is all negative.
Posted by Ric on :
This is really getting ridiculous. Anyone that posted facts is labeled a basher. Because really 99% of the facts prove this is a P&D scam. What 100% true facts are there that is positive. I can only think of two myself. Mineral rights beside Debeers, but then again Debeers didn't take them for some reason. Then theres Ecuador. Might be alright but since UC already sold all the shares, he has no more money. Company is 36 million in debt and they can't sell any more Got CMKX. So what do they do. Nevada Mineral is getting ready to default unless UC can continue to pay the bill but with what. If there is anything on the Sask. properties you need money to drill with to find it. You can't pay people with shares anymore.
So what does that leave for good news. Nothing. So the only new facts out there is bad. But you better not state it or the cult will pounce on you like a old Lion. Lions don't usually attack humans unless they are sick or old, we are pretty slow animals. Someone like Padro that post the facts brought out from in the hearing is crucified and for what, posting court exhibits that are public information. He11 the company refuses to give us anything but you can see why. They had to close a thread on PB32 for attacking Padro so bad on it.
The cult keeps saying that the SEC doesn't want us to know what the valuation is but thats not true. The court held that people outside the company couldn't give valuation. UC took the fifth, Maheu knew nothing, and the auditors couldn't get the information. The only true people that could give the numbers refused to (UC) or was refused the information(by UC).
Looking at the master shareholders list and the spotty bank statement at best, it looks like UC used CMKX stock as his personal check book. It was like the old mountain man that hunted fur and came down to trade fur for goods. Well, in this case it was stocks for goods. And if I was the cult, I would be demanding why a real estate broker in Las Vegas got nearly 10 million dollars worth of shares. CMKX had no office so why did a real estate office get shares? Maybe a new home, could be, maybe.
Oh well. looks like those that have there feet planted behind UC have concrete poured around there feet now. They can't move off this, I believe. But the problem with scams and concreted feet is you usually end up at the bottom of some river.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm betting by mid-week pedro will be banned from most cmkx boards for this. they will want the site the stuff is sitting at closed. the week after they will go back to believing everything these documents prove wrong.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bill Frizzell: "The ultimate outcome of everyone’s investment hinges not on naked shorting or SEC actions, but on the true evaluation of the company assets. We have some information about these assets, but we need more. The more I find out about the company, the more I become concerned that neither the company nor the SEC wanted you to know about the evaluation of the assets at the Administrative Hearing."
Posted by bill1352 on :
what was the line the cult was using for bashers not long ago...the one about being desperate. fact is the t/a probably never meet depalma, if he is mobbed up he has a big firm thus little clients like first global get lower teir lawyers, not the head of the firm. you can see where the cult is going with this now, mob is after cmkx. they either naked shorted it by trillions or they want the huge fortune in the claims. i'd say in the cults case desperate is an understatement.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"The cult keeps saying that the SEC doesn't want us to know what the valuation is but thats not true. The court held that people outside the company couldn't give valuation. UC took the fifth, Maheu knew nothing, and the auditors couldn't get the information. The only true people that could give the numbers refused to (UC) or was refused the information(by UC)."
If you want valuation information wouldn't you subpoena the CFO, and the documents "duces tecum"?
Posted by bill1352 on :
probably right there legal...but what does valuation have to do with filing??? notice frizzy included the company in that statement. by looking at where the shares went i'd say the company doesn't want valuation known. the SEC is after cmkx for what was it...NOT GIVING THE VALUE OF CMKX TO SHAREHOLDERS!!!!! isn't that 1 of the 2 main points gained by shareholders from filing, that and share structure. hmmmm speaking of share structure can you say 690 billion in the float???!!!!!! wasn't that the rally cry of the cult when it became clear the o/s was 703 billion??
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Bill Frizzell: "The ultimate outcome of everyone’s investment hinges not on naked shorting or SEC actions, but on the true evaluation of the company assets. We have some information about these assets, but we need more. The more I find out about the company, the more I become concerned that neither the company nor the SEC wanted you to know about the evaluation of the assets at the Administrative Hearing."
What the hell is Frizzy talking about? The SEC would have no reason to not want the public to know about asset valuations. What in hell does he think would appear on a Balance Sheet if CMKX had filed as required?
As to that valuation, legal, again you are incorrect. Basically what the court said was that the people they were using to value the assets were not qualified. Had they gone out and retained an "expert" to do so, the court probably would have accepted it....providing it was not tainted in some way, such as UC giving someone 50 million shs of CMKX stock.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal: "If you want valuation information wouldn't you subpoena the CFO, and the documents "duces tecum"?" --------------------
Wrong again, legal. How valid do you think the CFO's statement would be concerning the value of assets in the ground? Do you think he could have burrowed down there and inspected them? All he could have done was record information given to him by someone else.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill,valuation was important to the non-filing charge, since valuation is part of the records that were needed in the case. No one had better knowledge of these records than DeSormeau.
Wallace, the SEC would not want the valuation known at this time if it was very high, because the run would break the backs of the brokerages, MMs and Hedgies, and do severe damage to the economy.
Posted by Ric on :
Thats the cults problem. They are saying why didn't the SEC call the CFO. They refuse to see that the SEC didn't have CMKX in court for there value but for refusing to file. They didn't need the CFO for that. Now if it is CMKX's contention that is does have value and wanted to prove it then why didn't CMKX call the CFO. The only problem the SEC had with valuation was that the only person that the CMKX lawyer asked the question to was someone outside the company. And the SEC should have objected to that. If they didn't then they weren't doing there job.
But as Wallace and Bill stated, the SEC down deep is the only one that seems to be trying to get TRUE valuation of CMKX. If CMKX would file then we would know what the valuation is.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal: "If you want valuation information wouldn't you subpoena the CFO, and the documents "duces tecum"?" --------------------
Wrong again, legal. How valid do you think the CFO's statement would be concerning the value of assets in the ground? Do you think he could have burrowed down there and inspected them? All he could have done was record information given to him by someone else.
We already did some "burrowing down". And yes he would have had to depend on the geologists and assayers reports, the same as any company.
Posted by legaleagle on :
As of Dec 31, 2004
Mining Claims $126,000,000 valuation
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Sure, they burrowed down the same place someone else burrowed down. Results: Negative or disappointing to say the least. That's why no one else wanted that damn claim. It couldn't have any value to speak of in view of the dismal results.
As to geologists/assayers, I guess Stoecklein, UC et al were just too stupid to get them involved in the hearing, huh. Hell, why should they think the subject might even come up at the hearing?
Posted by Ric on :
And that was carried over from the past year. There is the mineral rights and Ecuador. But also who appraised there value or did UC just come up with that number. Never said they had no assets but the problem is they have no more money to operate them. Doesn't matter if you own a 100 million dollar factory if you have no money to produce anything. It also stated there was no mining expenses or revenue either.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: As of Dec 31, 2004
Mining Claims $126,000,000 valuation
Precisely who came up with that figure other than UC himself? Show us some proof that it was an "arm's length" valuation!!! PROOF!!! NOT BS!!
Looks to me like they just multiplied another figure by 10.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
NOTE, legal: "Oh, and there was the $12,600,000.00 in Capitalized Mining Costs. But there I go stealing Wallace's thunder."
PS: And where is the proof of those costs claimed? Maybe the IRS should begin looking into their books as well. Suggest you call the IRS, legal!
Posted by Ric on :
Well, trying to read that mess called books. No wonder the auditor quit. But just because you gave more shares then its worth doesn't make it worth that much. If I go to a used cars salesman and buy a piece of junk for $2000.00 and it is only worth $500.00 doesn't make it worth $2000. It means I paid too much for it. And UC seems to have gave people shares like candy. Like giving 10 million dollars worth of shares to a real estate firm for a 2 million dollar home. Geez, I wish I had something UC wanted, could retire. Oh thats right, I am. But could be living high on the hog during my retirement, lol.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Seems to me that I heard if someone reports another to the IRS and a person has evaded taxes, that someone is entitled to 10% of the monies recovered. Could be wrong, but if true, that's a good way for the OG, faithful, cult members to recover something more than they would get in a class action suit.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Here's a good pic of Jeff Arend's new paint job from the race. Soooo Good International, LTD. CEO Jason Freeman. Fresh out of a merger last week with Intermar Solutions Inc. Lanebro should be thrilled.
Jason is a resident of Regina, Saskatchewan. Use your imagination. Did CMKXtreme really get rid of Jeff and team or just park it in a new corporation until later? BTW they use Black Sheep for their website. Black Sheep is owned by Jason Dhonau (Ed's son) and does all of the CMKX and related webpages.
[ July 24, 2005, 12:49: Message edited by: legaleagle ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: As of Dec 31, 2004
Mining Claims $126,000,000 valuation
Precisely who came up with that figure other than UC himself? Show us some proof that it was an "arm's length" valuation!!! PROOF!!! NOT BS!!
Looks to me like they just multiplied another figure by 10.
So now they submitted falsified documents to the SEC as evidence in a hearing? Sure. OK, if I acccept that the entries were falsified then I can accept that perhaps all of the documents are falsified? Isn't accepting them as true at face value what the last 100 bashes have been about?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"So now they submitted falsified documents to the SEC as evidence in a hearing?"
Your words, legal, not mine. I believe they just put down whatever they wanted to put down as a valuation number and/or capitalized mining costs.
I doubt that would be considered "kosher" by the IRS. Why don't you call the IRS and get them to look in to it? Maybe you can recoup some of your money ahead of every other faithful member.
Also, I told you I wanted PROOF from you, not more BS or another one of your distorted statements or questions as a response. PROOF!!!
DAMN!!! Legal put in that stupid car and now has screwed up the thread again. SURPRISE!!!
Posted by Ric on :
I actually found the so called full accounting for that claim. It shows it in these two pages of the 2003 books.
But I have serious problem here. If you see these they don't add up. There are gaps in the records. If you look at num: 20 on first page and look at Balance it has 6,100,000.00.
Then you go to page two Num 22 entry and all of a sudden the number shoots up to a Balance of 126,121,250????? They carry over is 124,969,850 but that is not what the previous page shows. So looks like item 21 is missing. But also 17 and 18 on the previous page. But look at how many shares where given. This is ridiculous.
Geeze 1.5 million dollar wouldn't be enough if I was a professional auditor to review these books.
Posted by Ric on :
No they aren't falsified legal. They are what CMKX paid for the claims in stock value. It doesn't mean the claims are worth that much though. Just that UC gave that many shares for it. As, I stated above just because you give a used cars salesman $2000 FOR A $500 DOLLAR CAR DOESN'T MAKE IT WORTH $2000.
Posted by Ric on :
I think it means that Jeff Arend either didn't have the time or the money to repaint his trailer yet and buy a new canopy.
By the way, they car's paint job looks so much better then that boring CMKX paint job. It looks a lot more exciting now.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal, how about deleting that car post.
Posted by Ric on :
I just looked at Arends new sponsors home page. Now this is so funny. Wow. You have to go look at this. roflmao
You might want to take this link off the christain board there Noah. lol
Not sure what will post here but these are the links on there page, what names to call your coffee. lol
"Smokin' Ass / Surfin' Ass / Rockin' Ass / Kona Red Mountain / Donkey Beans / Donkey Balls"
Donkey Balls are the best. If you go to the link it is Pure Hawaiian Macadamia Nuts Coated in Ghiradelli Chocolate but there are several Donkey Ball brands. Half Ass Balls, Flacky Balls, Balls of Fire, Salty Balls and Dark Chocolate Balls. They at least have a sense of humor for there products lol.
But I think that I would like to buy some of the Hawaii's Rocking Ass Island Pie. Sound like a good coffee.
[ July 24, 2005, 13:33: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
The company page explains that the "ass" refers to the donkeys that bring the tobacco in from the fields. So I imagine the adults at CT can handle the reference better than the children in here.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: No they aren't falsified legal. They are what CMKX paid for the claims in stock value. It doesn't mean the claims are worth that much though. Just that UC gave that many shares for it. As, I stated above just because you give a used cars salesman $2000 FOR A $500 DOLLAR CAR DOESN'T MAKE IT WORTH $2000.
So what you are saying is that those billions of shares going out to individuals were probably shares issued to secure mineral claims from those people?
And of course the 125 million is for the cost of the property and they could be worth a lot more than they paid, as well as a lot less. Only a filing will tell us the full story, huh?
Posted by Ric on :
It was a joke legal. But even with the explaination they had fun with it. Or the sub titles wouldn't have been what they are. I thought there site was a blast myself. The kid in me or not, lol.
Posted by Ric on :
No a filing won't tell us that legal. It is just what CMKX paid for it. Nothing more and thats all the filing will include is paid value. It will take a property assessment to determine true value of it. But looking at the history of UC throwing shares away at more then double what he could have paid cash for it. I bet it is way over valued.
Posted by Mini Me on :
Here is Pedro's explanation on where he obtained the SEC exhibits from.
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 280 OK - Secret source to obtain SEC Exhibits « Thread Started on Today at 10:24am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This rumor spreading around about how I obtained the SEC Exhibits was started by a very imaginative mind.
I find that Poster very amusing!...... Thank you for the laugh Mr. Amusing Man.
Since everyone is set that these records were obtained from the "Mob," here is my secret sources for anyone else that desires to "get information."
First thing you need to do is contact the Informant.
BE VERY CAREFUL when contacting the Informant. You really don't want to get the Informant angry! Bad things will happen if the Informant gets angry.
Here is the Information:
Contact the Informant at the: Public Reference Branch (202) 551-8090.
The Informant will tell you what steps to follow. MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW THE INFORMANTS DIRECTIONS!
After following the Informants directions, you will get a telephone call from a person known as the MOLE.
The Mole will ask for money. (Don't all Moles ask for money!)
When the Mole called, the Mole asked that I pay money in advance before any records will be produced.
The Mole asked that I pay: 233.52 for Copies 25.88 for Sales Tax 80.00 for Shipping
I asked for special delivery overnight - That's why the delivery charge was $80 dollars.
So, I secretly gave the MOLE numbers that was on my VISA card.
The next day a BIG BROWN VAN came to my house. Then a Man stepped out of the BIG BROWN VAN. I never saw that man before, but the Big Brown Van I have seen occasionally while I was driving my car.
The MAN in the BROWN VAN gave me a BIG BROWN BOX.
Then the MAN drove away in the BROWN VAN. Does anyone know what UPS stands for?
I opened up the brown box like I was opening up a Christmas Present when I was 8 years old.
Two (2) days later my VISA Card said: Order Total - $339.40
ANYONE that wants to obtain copies of SEC Documents, just start by calling that number.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Wallace, the SEC would not want the valuation known at this time if it was very high, because the run would break the backs of the brokerages, MMs and Hedgies, and do severe damage to the economy.
that has to be in the top 5 laughable statements ever made on here.naked shorted companies come out with good newws every day. the float on these companies in in the millions thus it is easier to run. companies with floats in the billions can't run, no news is big enough & we now know the float is 690 billion...well i take that back, since no insiders actually report buying & selling as the law states the float is 703 billion.
Posted by bill1352 on :
actually i might order some of that kona coffee. real fresh kona beans make great coffee. i was stationed on a submarine based in pearl harbor. i might be nice to enjoy a cup of fresh bean coffee.
Posted by bill1352 on :
maybe my memory is failing me but the only zinc claims i remember are CIM claims. both companies may be part of the same family but shares from 1 company can not be used to pay for things of the second company. even more so when shares are public & the zinc companiy is private. i think the term is imbezzeling funds. ya think maybe thats why CIM shares were given to cmkx shareholders? to get around that problem, making them shareholders so to speak? CIM being private means nobody has to say anything on if it pans out or not. the perfect UC scam, use shareholder money & never have to answer for it.
Posted by Ric on :
bill, according to legal CMKX has been giving away all there assets in this so called master plan. This wholesale giveaway will make them all rich or is that UC. Well, I think UC will surprise everyone when he thinks that he got away scott free. But things always seem to caught up to you in the end. And I wouldn't want to be UC's end when he does get caught. lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
i guess giving away shares is part of those assets...lol. notice the zinc mining stuff on the ledger sheets at the bottom. a lot more then the $1 million pr'ed.
Posted by Ric on :
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Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 282 Re: All SEC Exhibits « Reply #9 on Today at 3:09pm »
Today at 3:00pm, rics1997 wrote:I know people are getting mad over personal information but the Name is needed. I noticed that the whole name and address and any other personal info was deleted. I agree that all the other info can be delete in good taste but names need to be there because it brings to light very important information. I hate you felt exhibit 14 links shouldn't be listed because they were extremely important.
I am working on this exhibit and will post information that does not include revealing innocent shareholders personal information.
The information will show how over 500 billion shares were issued from February 2004 through July 2004.
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Posted by Ric on :
Remember when Cobra and legal went on about the board ignoring Phxgold's post. They keep thinking they were real and not some off the wall theory.
Here is one big example why the names need to be listed. There was a theory that the 17 or 18 "sellers" received the 84% of the stock in Feb. 2003 and therefore held majority in the company. From review of previous posted master shareholders list, this is far from the truth. Actually no truth what so ever to it. They only had an option to buy that much anyway. It never said they did and these exhibits proved that. I think a lot of theories have been laid to rest with this.
It is nice to finally get to see the truth and not have to just theorize about it.
[ July 24, 2005, 15:39: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Ric on :
Oh, and I forgot the one were it was the "sellers" that were using there so called shares to short the company and take it over. But I have noticed one thing. When a theory is proven wrong there is no apology or retraction. They just ignore it like it never happened or put a spin on it. I remember one time someone asking if I would admit if I was wrong but when the shoes on the other foot. Well, two theories down the toilet. Phyxgold is start to look 0 for every how many theories.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Actually i spoke against that theory.... everyone took it as Gold, but i said it was just a theory as were the others by countless people. I thought it was as rediculous as a sterling double short double cover triple lutz.I you say i said something get it right. However it does not change the fact that I believe in the company. It is just as easy to discount all of your theories and even esasier to discout Wallsac i, sorry for the typo i meant wallace. And as far as wallace i am discounting HIM not his theories.
COBRA
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: oldepro 24 Jul 2005, 03:54 PM EDT Msg. 1052310 of 1052423 (This msg. is a reply to 474494 by oldepro.) Jump to msg. # THE KING LIVES!!!!!!!!!
This post is dedicated to Jimmy H. in Fla. His call last night caused me to reflect on the current status of the Kingdom.
Many things have happened in the kingdom, since our last report. We have lost many loyal subjects in the war. Our village seems to be decimated and the war hopelessly lost. It seems the enemy was much more powerful,unscrupulous and more cunning, than an villager ever imagined. The King knew, but choose not to inform his subjects. Why? To avoid surrender. If villagers knew what they were up against, many would have run away.
Many villagers traveled to a premature victory party in the land of Lost Wages. Lured by the promise of BIG news from the King. Victory? Peace in the Kingdom? Many thought so, and traveled to the King's capitol. At the party, the King and his Court presented chariot races, presents and a feast beyond compare. Many villagers met for the first time and formed an unbreakeable bond. As the King was about to announce great news, the Great Barrister intervined, and stopped him. Why? Seems the God's of the Street wanted the King to keep quiet. When the Gods speak, everyone listens. It seems up until this time, the God's had little concern about the King and his subjects. But now, the God's wanted to know every detail about the King and his Court. Apparently, if the King was allowed to reveal the TRUE riches of his kingdom, it would upset the balance of power. Now, the God's wanted no part in this, as their job is to protect the balance, so that the Great Emperor can maintain his empire. This threw the war into even more choas. The Emperor did not want to take sides, but felt he must to insure the survival of his empire. So he told the God's, fix this any way you can and keep it QUIET. I'm sure this angered the King, but the King is powerless compared to the Emperor. So the King played along. But the King made a VERY smart move. He contacted an Old Warhorse. Once one of the most powerful men in the Empire, age had slowed him, but the fire still burned. The King explained his predicament and the Warhorse decided to help. Now, the Warhorse still had many contacts with powerful people in the Empire. The villagers rejoyced! Surely, now the war was won. But alas, the war was just beginning. The God's of the Street, for a reason known only to them, decided the best thing for all, was for the King and his Kingdom to be obliterated. The spoils to be distributed among the villager's enemies. The Great Barrister decided to flee. The reason is still unknown. Was his job over, or did he run scared? Few know and they aren't saying. The Warhorse hired a new barrister. St. Melvin was replaced, by the tight lipped Andy, of the Land of No Ansas. Since Andy was from Noansas, many villagers began meeting in the Land of Talking Pals. In the Land of Talking Pals, there are many places to meet. At first it was a great place, where villagers could discuss the War. The villagers hired their own barrister. A fine man, from the land of the State of the Lone Star. An honest, rootin tootin, free shootin son of a gun. As a hired gun, he may be the key to winning the War. A secret weapon, so to speak. It wasn't long before the Land was infiltrated. In one particular part of the land, a group gathered, which included the likes of Sire Willy of Windbag, Ooggie of Ogre and Acca of Oncracka. The Land of Talking Pals was split into warring factions. Was this petty squabbling, or intentional sabotage? No one knows to this day.
At this point in the story, the Kingdom looks in danger of getting it's charter revoked. It's King disposed, or worse emprisoned. The Kingdom is in complete turmoil. Secret documents were recently released, which make the King look to be a crooked leader. Villagers are turning on one another. Are we losing from within? Possibly. But all is not lost. Why? Because the King has yet to speak. Why? Because the King has been working, with the Old Warhose, behind the scenes. Top Secret stuff. Will it be too little too late? No one knows.
I for one, hold my allegance to the King and wait for him to speak. My choice is to coward in the corner and hope to escape the enemy, or fight to the death. Death to tyrants, not to villagers. In the words of Andy of Noansas:
"WE WILL WIN" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All references to the Land of Short Sells were omitted from this post on the advice of my personal barrister. But I will say this:
KISS MY BIG FAT ARSE Shorty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CMKX TO DA MOON, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Ric on :
Geeze, with that I hope the "God's" hurry and rain down fire. Better not turn around and look back or you may be turned to a pillar of salt.
Posted by Ric on :
Bill, I have a good one for you, Jay adobe. The one that passed off the cree theory as fact is now saying that it is still true. That they just had regular people names. roflmao
By: jay_adobe 24 Jul 2005, 05:49 PM EDT
aloha, If you research the Executive Council of the 72 nations, you will find similarities. Yes, they all are not there, but there are those that appear on the list. Oh, and the names do not have to sound native american. They are common names in Canada. Common household names.
By: tonymac17 24 Jul 2005, 05:54 PM EDT
JAy a good con man, when confronted with a lie will just go lying, I must say you are good at your BS
JAy, going thru the names on the list now I see what you are saying, Chief James Martini and warrior Bruce Macdonald are very common Cree names.
Posted by Ric on :
Heres some comic relief from the chief pumper himself. Sounds to me he is trying to avoid jail time.
Sterling on CMKX 24 July 05 By: stervc 24 Jul 2005, 05:18 PM EDT Msg. 241909 of 241909 @ Sterling's Classroom Member Forum http://tinyurl.com/ajwcj
(This msg. is a reply to 241796 by flugelbinders0.) Jump to msg. # Flugelbinders and ALL, with CMKX...
Please understand, we must always keep things real when certain facts have been brought out be it good or bad. We speculate on options for a resolution when certain facts are not known.
However, once certain facts are known, reality must be considered and decisions must be made on an “actual” basis and not a “speculative” basis or at least up unto a point.
Anyone out there, take any company in the market. Now analyze their outstanding shares (OS). Now place that number you used as the OS to analyze that same company with converting it to 703+ Billion shares. No matter what and how good you thought of the company, it will now have to be considered differently. That doesn’t mean that you stop believing in the company any more or less.
You can still believe in the company as we do with CMKX, but it doesn’t matter what we think, it’s what the market would think as to how they would trade CMKX which means that more valuation would have to be announce as what was expected to fundamentally justify certain price levels. The OS is the key denominator for establishing fundamental valuation to determine the price of a stock. The larger the OS, the lower the EPS will be unless there is enough Income revealed to compensate.
If you noticed about my speculations of CMKX having a chance to hit the dollars, they were posted under the thought of the OS being 4 billion, 40 billion, or some number far less than 703+ billion. I also stated that it would be predicated upon a certain amount of valuation being revealed too. I had done such by using some ratio logic comparison with the valuation that was confirmed from the land that was owned by DeBeers which was way far less than what we owned. I think some people have still chosen to ignore such and only remember the dollar amounts in those posts that were mentioned and not how they were derived.
If all was complete “doom and gloom” as some might think, Urban could have closed shop and left a long time ago. We all have got to know something that is a strong positive in my opinion. Urban could have saved millions over the past few months and allowed CMKX to just crumble away. He didn’t. I do think that Urban wants to do right by shareholders. There was no doubt some bad decisions that were made back in the past in which I have no idea why they were made. I am not sure what were the plans and thoughts to generate those decisions. I do know that he is trying to file and that would be the first step to making all of this right.
So I ask myself…
Why did Urban pay millions to hire a new TEAM and Auditor to complete the filings?
Why didn’t he just let CMKX go away?
Why are the bashers still bashing a stock that trades with 4 zeros behind the decimal?
Why hadn’t the SEC shut down CMKX months to a year ago since they have known much of what we are just now finding out?
Could it be like I said that everyone within the SEC is not bad?
I think that maybe there is a trump card that Urban, the bashers, and the SEC knows that Urban is holding that could be the fix to all! Please, I don’t want to get everyone’s hopes up high on false beliefs, because there have been enough facts that we must acknowledge as being negative things that have transpired. We still have some huge hurdles to get over still.
With all of the things that have been brought out, I don’t care how much you believe in CMKX, you better not ignore the facts with any stock as a standard practice for investing during and after CMKX. If for nothing else, take such as some learning experiences about being overconfident in your investment. This has been a very humbling experience for all, the good, the bad, and the ugly!
When you move on to your next investments, you don’t need to think that the external variables that reside in CMKX are those that should be warranted for having a good investment. Yes, I do think that CMKX is different as I have mentioned this for months. Understand, CMKX is the only stock that I think that I would be in with these negatives that have been revealed and yet still feel confident of a positive resolution.
No, I have not lost my faith, but there is much that must not be ignored. It’s no ego thing with me as now is the time for me to practice what I preach to remove emotions when trying to make a sound investment decision and look at the facts once they are revealed. As it stands, the bashers were right about some key thoughts that we all who are pro CMKX were wrong from the facts that have been brought out. Admitting that does not mean that I don’t believe in CMKX for a positive resolution.
One of the things that were rumored back when I first got into CMKX was that before CMKX really takes off and turns that corner for good, all of the negative will be brought out first and people will think that all was lost. I can see what is happening and I hope that rumor is true although I had not expected for such to be this wild of a ride.
Flugelbinders, whether you want to see this or not, we are going to have to move forward no matter what, either with or without CMKX. I have been trying to get people to see such. Seeing such does not mean that you don’t believe in CMKX. It’s the inevitable!
I am not about to go to that particular forum, but I think someone from Allstocks should go there and post A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO PEDRO!!!
Snake, (aka cobra or Viper),
"It is just as easy to discount all of your theories and even esasier to discout Wallsac i, sorry for the typo i meant wallace. And as far as wallace i am discounting HIM not his theories."
I doubt if anyone (except maybe legal) cares about what you count or discount on this thread. I certainly do not!!!
I have yet to see you contribute anything anyway.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
SSShhhhhhhhh! Can you hear it? QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!
Posted by cobracobra on :
I love you to Wallace, I may be the duck, but at least i am not just a duck-head. I have to go now i am late for spelling class. as you can see i mess up words alot. I have troible with I' s and U ' s
If you want contribution, here ya go. I just contributed online $10.00 to the American Lung Assoc. in the name of Wallace #1. Its my personal favorite Charity. They do so much....
Anyway, Night night love chunks, see you on monday.
Posted by Ric on :
Suppose to donate to the Kidney foundation, lol. Momma needs a new kidney, really.
They all do so much.
Posted by Ric on :
What should make a lot mad is the fact that Frizzell had this Master shareholders list and told it members nothing about the fact that the float was this bad and the so called owners really don't own nothing.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Make a donation to the National Bowel Foundation. IMO, UC will need massive work done in that area when the SEC and FBI are done with him.
Posted by will on :
Ok legal, guess this has been pretty much discounted, any other positive you see?
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: One positive thing. Hmmmm How about the General Ledger entry showing
As of Dec 31, 2004
Mining Claims $126,000,000
Now I asked Wallace to look over those Ledgers and lend his "expertise" but he doesn't seem willing or able to do such at this point. So I will at least let him tell you how Cost Basis Accounting applies to a Diamond Exploration Company when they cost out the claims. He can tell you how that number is the cost of the claims for 2004, not the valuation based on test results. But hey, don't let me interrupt the accounting guru. He's probably irritated about having to clean that byrd mess off his windshield.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Make a donation to the National Bowel Foundation. IMO, UC will need massive work done in that area when the SEC and FBI are done with him.
And the IRS!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I love you to Wallace, I may be the duck, but at least i am not just a duck-head."
Wrong again, cobra. I guess you are about the only "duck-head" posting on this thread who doesn't know what I mean by "QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!"
By the way, cobra, another grammar lesson. The proper word to use is "too" in your post "I love you to...". Can you remember that for 5 seconds? Where's dwman, when someone such as you butchers the English language? The grammar you butcher is 3rd or 4th grade knowledge!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Re Ric's repost of Jay_adobe's post above. Jay stated, "They are common names in Canada. Common household names."
LMAO!! Yeah, common household names like vacuum cleaner, dish ran with spoon, lounge chair, garbage disposal and dirty dishes. Didn't see "trash can" there anywhere either.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Now I know why I didn't see "trash can" there. That's the name they will be giving UC in prison. Get it?
Posted by Ric on :
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SEC Exhibit 14 is a Detailed Stock Certificate Register Report from 1990 through 12/31/2004 This Exhibit contains 504 pages.
I have broken down the pages into a summary excel report that I created. This report will list the: ~~~ Name of the company. ~~~ Location of the company. ~~~ Certificate Shares issued to the company. ~~~ Certificate Shares surrendered by the company. ~~~ Certificate Shares still held by the company.
like i said waldo, if u can't hang,,,, insult grammar. You must be very lonely,,, to sit all day on a mess. brd and correct spelling etc. Remember the last time you told me to remember it for 5 seconds you seemed to have forgotten in 4 seconds. Its ok though I understand that at your age. Hey cheer up though,,,, I bet this year you will be able to hide your own easter basket. Do it on Good friday, then by Easter sunday you will have long forgotten where it is and you can try to find it. Wow its amazing how low people can feel when they have nothing to do all day. When they are depressed, lonely, just sitting there trying to feel like you still have importance. Like they still have a place in society. Yeah you might have a few dollars but heck, one day you could lose it all,,,then what? I guess if this is what cheers you up, then i should let you go about your day. wouldn't want you to sink into depression. Depressed people do bad things to themselves. self pity will get you every time wont it.
You asked for a contribution,,, how did I do? I actually gave it to them, not just a gag. I figured you might need their help one day....
COBRACOBRA
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
How many companies with ties to Casavant were "given" (?) shares?
Re: Part Time Management - just under 16 billion shares:
"Interestingly, a search of Nevada-registered corporations reveals a company named Part Time Management Inc., with "Part" and "Time" not elided. The registered agent for Part Time Management is David Desormeau, who has a number of connections to Mr. Casavant. Part Time Management's officers are identified as James Kinney and Ginger Gutierrez. Mr. Kinney and Ms. Gutierrez previously served as investor relations representatives for CMKM."
Wasn't one of the Casavants also Pres. or some other officer of that company? Why were shares issued to that company? How many other Casavant or associates' companies were given billions of shares? Who authorized those issuances?
In addition to that almost 16 billion shares, James Kinney and Family got 89+ billion shares and Guterrez got an additional almost 24 billion shares.
As I recall, Part Time Management was one of those companies touting the stock or at least paid a company to tout it....something like a billion shares. Sounds like a Pump and Dump to me!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Also saw Allan Moen and Family as well as MCM Trust. Allan Moen was a defendant along with Casavant and MCM Minerals (may or may not be associated with MCM Trust, but sure looks like it could be). That was about another 3-5 billion shs total.
Posted by Ric on :
Still, there is no 51% nor is there any major JV's owning major share.
I also noticed that some brokers have listed there clients in there name while others are in cede & co. So my question is did Frizzell realize this. Better yet remember the cult throwing a fit because some of the brokers weren't in the list Frizzell posted. IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN CEDE AND COMPANY. So there was no way to know how much from say Ameritrade Canada because there shares where there just in Cede and not listed in brokers name. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Posted by Ric on :
So many theories being busted. Thank You Padro. You have done more to crush CMKX then all of us here and on the other boards combined. But the koolaid is still too strong for the heavy drinkers. Not sure if UC himself came out and said I scammed you fools that they would still find some twist in it. They would say that the SEC made him do it.
Many of these efforts, which I feel have your Company and it's Shareholders as a primary focus, will only be completely understood when the dust clears. I, as I am sure a number of other CMKX Shareholders, do not need the dust to clear to have me extend my sincere and tremendous appreciation for all that I know you have done (and continue to do) behind the scenes on your Shareholder's behalf. I feel very strong that your intent has always been one that is "righteous", and that your demeanor has been one that exemplifies honor and integrity.
Thank you again, and God Bless you and your family always!
Peter (Dxild)
[ July 25, 2005, 01:27: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, anyone remember the following:
"D. Roger Glenn, CMKM's counsel, stated, "I will be traveling to Saskatchewan with the company's management to expand my knowledge of the company and its business in order to facilitate the company becoming fully reporting."
Didn't I just hear that repeated by Frizzy? LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I just love going back over old posts for a few laughs. Here's part of a post by Debi you know who:
"At .0003 the company is valued at $240 Million Dollars. I think that is very low considering the area we own our mineral rights in and that we have an aerial survey showing great potential for diamonds. If Roger Glenn felt comfortable taking CMKX and UC as clients and he is still with them that is good enough for me that they are legit. Roger Glenn apparently thought their office set up wherever it is, is sufficient for business and legal purposes. If Roger Glenn with his former ties to the SEC and background as an accountant with Deloitte; and spotless reputation feels that CMKX is legitimate enough for him to be associated with then I am not going to be worried about what someone posts that is unsubstantiated." --------------------
Some accountant Glenn must have been, huh. One page summary of his work for the Hearings.
Prior to this post there had been some talk about the CMKX office being in UC's home as slipped out by Melvin.
Posted by Ric on :
Yet Wallace with all this information, the cult still isn't giving in. Not sure what has to happen for them to see the truth. Any reasonable person can see the facts already available. I guess you just don't know the effects of brainwashing until it happens to you.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Here's another one:
Just who is Wallace Giebelhaus and why was he issued 30 billion + shares?
Is he also known as Mark as below or tied in with SGGM in some way along with Dhonau?
"Checked Secy of State Nev. St. George Metals Inc. Status "reinstated". Only lists Resident Agent - Mark Giebelhaus at 1350 E Flamingo Las Vegas NV"
A Mark Giebelhaus was also listed as Pres of SGGM.
[ July 25, 2005, 02:22: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Having so much fun talking to myself, I didn't realize how late (or early) it is. Good morning all and good night.
Posted by Ric on :
How many shares to buy lunch at McDonalds
Big Mac - 55,000 shares Large Fry - 37,500 shares Large Coke - 35,500 shares
Total - 128,000 shares
Now UC would offer the owner 500 million shares to take the deal. Then write off $20,000 but forget to enter what it was for.
Posted by will on :
Have to feed those phantom drilling crews, Ric.
Posted by bill1352 on :
looks like only Max from the casavant family keep any of his free shares, him & vince mazzie could be controling partners. ginger was the gal roger glen stated had all of cmkx's files & books. she didn't hold on to much of the free shares she got. those books must not have any good info in them. all that great valuation stuff we have been hearing about must be non-existant. notice rick walkers name on there, prez of all the canadian JV's, he dumped most of his free shares. he is the one the cult says is drilling all the holes in canada. not a good sign there folks. everyone contacted to cmkx on the inside, as in bookeepers & JV partners has sold almost all their shares if not 100%. ya think if cmkx had "the goods" as we have been hearing about they might have keep most & sold a small % for some cash since once the true value of cmkx came out the pps would run causing a panick in the market & destroying our economy. why in fact by holding those billions of shares till the big pay off they would not only cash in money wize but also help the country by giving the mm's shares thus helping cover their huge short.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Or they discovered that most of the assets are in CIM, kept their divies and cashed in their CMKX. If you can speculate, so can I.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya think maybe thats why cmkx has paid for CIM's claims with cmkx shares & money??? even tho thats illegal? plus legal your speculation means just what we have been saying shares of CMKX are worthless. if that had the hope of future value JV's would not have sold. CMKX insiders would not have sold, the casavant family, except for Max, would not have sold. i'm thinking Max is into the cmkx kool-aide myself...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I am telling you, there is going to be one hell of a lot of litigation against a hell of a lot of people that pumped and dumped CMKX, lied about CMKX and put out questionable PRs about CMKX.
The whole bunch sounds like a crime syndicate to me.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya think maybe the whole mob connections are on the inside not the outside?? UC is about the right size for a godfather....lol the cult says why would UC spend all this money on lawyers & such if it was a scam...the master list tells ya why. he doesn't want to die in jail.
Posted by Ric on :
jsq1 Dr. Of Diamonds
Posted by Ric on :
They couldn't get enough people to sign up so now they are trying a new tatic to force people to sign up fo Frizzel. How else can frizzy scam more money off you unless he can say "it's a secret, if you don't join you won't know"
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The private owners group forum is not yet open for busines, folks.
This area will be used to discuss private owners group information. Only those being in Phase 2 will receive the password. It will NOT be open to the public.
We are working with John and Bill on completing the process of how it will work.
If you haven't signed up for Phase 2 yet, you might want to do it soon. With all that is going on (both good and bad) the ownersgroup is the only means where we can have one voice and an army big enough to battle ANYONE that we need to fight.
Sign up with the ownersgroup now.
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John and I have been working on a protocol to "authenticate" OG members for admission to the new forum.
WE HAVE NOT FINISHED YET.
Therefore, the forum is not yet officially open for business, and I'd request that for now folks who have already received the password simply not use the forum (so that those who have not will not feel left out.)
When we've finalized the protocol for giving out the password, I'll post an announcement.
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Posted by Ric on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May want to review Regulation FD - Selective Disclosure before following through with this.... and forward it on to Frizzell (although, he should already know the laws).
However, if he decides to only release information that could affect the purchase/sale of CMKX securities to people that have paid him, I guarantee he'll dislike the SEC a whole lot more. Just an FYI before somebody goes and adds fuel to the SEC fire.....
Posted by Ric on :
Looks like they are trying to extort money from those who haven't signed up. This looks to be very illegal. Now all those that paid the phase I will not be allowed in the group. Only if you give $25 will you get to know what is happening.
[ July 25, 2005, 14:43: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by ed19363 on :
We are getting more choice of who we want to rip us off. UC SEC DTCC FRIZ
Who's next?
Posted by Ric on :
I guess that I started something. The heavy drinkers that run the site and are phase II are talking about closing the board because people are disagreeing with the private board. Sounds like they are taking a cue from UC. Keep it all a secrete and let people just start there on rumors. It is like a soap opera without the sex, lol. I working myself up to being banned. Slowly but soon. I can't let bill out do me.
Posted by ACKCANE on :
What's the big secret? Isn't this thing dead!?!?!?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I warned them about Frizzy! With that, he would have a conflict of interest! He has an obligation to the Phase I group and a different obligation to the Phase II group!!! Just in communication alone! CONFLICT!!!
Posted by Ric on :
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Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 41 Stopped by the Cmkx headquarters ( again) « Thread Started on Today at 5:30pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was in the area and stopped by the new cmkx headquarters on Pecos. I looked around and found no markings ( signs, mailboxes, directories, etc ) showing that cmkx was in the building. I went to unit # 208 and on the door it is written " Tropicana Business & Wellness Center" . Unit # 208 is where other members of the board thought that cmkx office was located in.
Posted by Ric on :
UC is still up to lies. But the cult just don't get it. A liar will lie about anything. It is bad when the SEC even caught him in a lie and he turns around and does it again.
Posted by Ric on :
From Padro - more on exhibit 14
Below is a list of the top 20 Entities that received “Shares Issued.” I am providing a link(s) to show in detail the transactions that occurred from each entity.
Shareholders (Individuals) that are not on the below list, and in order to protect innocent shareholders personal information, I have deleted any personal information to protect the shareholder (that is not on the list below).
However, any individual that is on the list below, I will only delete their street address and Social Security Number.
Any and all Corporations and/or Business Entities are free game. I will only delete the entities FEIN (Federal Employer Identification Number).
A lot of shareholders will take this information and do their own DD. Thank you in advance for the DD and I look forward to reading what you discover.
Note: Page number below corresponds with Exhibit 14 page number.
If its not worth posting on then why do it. This is the best comic relief on the board. More laughs found everyday so it is worth something.
I do agree with you on ICAN but you still posted there too.
Posted by legaleagle on :
While you all are working so hard on these share distributions, find out why Ameritrade bought 135 billion shares directly from the company. Were they investing in a good thing, or were they worried that CEDE couldn't cover their naked short?
Posted by legaleagle on :
And the 50 billion shares to this company. Computer Clearing Services.
I brought this up earlier but here it is in more detail.
How do you think Frizzell knew how many shares Ameritrade customers held. All he had was the Master Shareholders list. It just so happened that the newer list Etrade and a few more had the shares held in there name too. Frizzle would have never been able to get those numbers if not. Now why did Etrade and others not hold in company name but Cede before them, you will have to call etrade. But also those brokers people said were missing weren't either. They just had theres n Cede & Co.
Next, remember that UC said "March 4, 2005 had 407,321,106,308 shares held in CEDE & CO". Now if we knew then what we know now then we would have known that this number didn't include Ameritrade and probably many others. Thats why you have to always ask why a company gives every answer but the one you need like float. If we knew that Ameritrade and maybe Etrade and others weren't included in Cede & Co then that would have told you the float was extremely high. But better then that UC should have said o/s is 703 billion and float is 690 billion. But why tell the truth when you can tell half truths and let the cult make up the rest for you. That way your not in trouble and they still believe.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: And the 50 billion shares to this company. Computer Clearing Services.
Thats 153 billion shares legal and me and bill have been talking about that too. They were the clearing house that sold shares being diluted to market.
153,871,417,699 to be exact look at bottom of this page for total.
Legaleagle says: ------------------------------------------------- Here's a good pic of Jeff Arend's new paint job from the race. Soooo Good International, LTD. CEO Jason Freeman. Fresh out of a merger last week with Intermar Solutions Inc. Lanebro should be thrilled.
Jason is a resident of Regina, Saskatchewan. Use your imagination. Did CMKXtreme really get rid of Jeff and team or just park it in a new corporation until later? BTW they use Black Sheep for their website. Black Sheep is owned by Jason Dhonau (Ed's son) and does all of the CMKX and related webpages. -------------------------------------------------
All I can say is you are an idiot for thinking none of us knew this "ass" was UC's GOOD friend. What's your point?
It makes no sense that Arend would want to get mixed up in any more of this BS. He is a good guy, unlike his former sponsor, and he surely is not that desperate to remain associated with a bunch of crooks, knowing what we all know now. Unless of course, he's feeling like Robin Hood. LOL
Posted by will on :
"It makes no sense"
Truer word's were never spoken, lanebro, but it not only applies to the racing aspect of this pos, but EVERYTHING connected to it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
lanebro,
Don't worry, lanebro, legal has been in la la land for a long while now. He has become an expert distorter of information and spreader of wild theories. No one here gives him any serious thought. It's just more humor.
Posted by will on :
I think I'll start calling it "rumor humor".
I like that.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I like that too, will. Leave it to your eloquence to think that up. LOL Good night.
PS: Do I get any credit for the above?
Posted by will on :
All you want, Wallace, if it weren't for you I would have never thought of it. A good straghtman is inspirational.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Straightman! Straightman! Go to hell you clown. LOL Good night!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by lanebro: Legaleagle says: ------------------------------------------------- Here's a good pic of Jeff Arend's new paint job from the race. Soooo Good International, LTD. CEO Jason Freeman. Fresh out of a merger last week with Intermar Solutions Inc. Lanebro should be thrilled.
Jason is a resident of Regina, Saskatchewan. Use your imagination. Did CMKXtreme really get rid of Jeff and team or just park it in a new corporation until later? BTW they use Black Sheep for their website. Black Sheep is owned by Jason Dhonau (Ed's son) and does all of the CMKX and related webpages. -------------------------------------------------
All I can say is you are an idiot for thinking none of us knew this "ass" was UC's GOOD friend. What's your point?
It makes no sense that Arend would want to get mixed up in any more of this BS. He is a good guy, unlike his former sponsor, and he surely is not that desperate to remain associated with a bunch of crooks, knowing what we all know now. Unless of course, he's feeling like Robin Hood. LOL
Didn't expect any other kind of post from you. However, not everyone who comes in here has your "vast", or at least "half vast" knowledge of this stock and the many facets of their operations.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Have to leave you all with this from PB32. Seems to point up the diffenced on this board.
"Pessimists see difficulty in opportunity, optimists see opportunity in difficulty."
Posted by bill1352 on :
i see we are back to legal only at least for tonight. if you look at the new list perdo put out the give away on the clearing houses is the dates. they get the shares & within a week they are gone & sitting in the float. many are gone that day, almost every one that is 1 billion or more didn't last 1 day. also the chit about S-restricted shares not being in the o/s...lol....well not many S-restricted shares are still held most were sold quick or during that run in 2004 so i'd say those shares & any idea the cult had about them is a non-factor. many sure had short restrictions. notice UC kept enough shares to cover that little escroll deal but not much else. i think the rest of the casavant family needs to get Max in rehab as he is the only 1 still holding most of his free shares.
still this list just shows dilution. for an audit UC has to show why these ppl got shares or these companies. UC has to prove they either bought them & if not at full price why or if given to them what was the reason. good old ginger sure made out. the court was questioning what desormeua was paid at $1.5 million, looking at the dates on gingers shares if she sold what she surrendered at .0002 average she got $4.6 million, not bad pay for a secratary, excuse me, office manager. computer clearing is just that, the middleman between UC & the mm's. PTI trust, 71st street, & KRKA look to fall in that same area. PTI got a great deal of shares on the own by date for USCA divy but sold 3 days later. now if i remember right the divy attached to the shares. i wonder how that worked.
[ July 26, 2005, 00:59: Message edited by: bill1352 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
Pessimists see difficulty in opportunity, optimists see opportunity in difficulty."
DIFFICULTY????!!!!!! if that ain't the top understatement in the history of the stock market nothing is....lmao for it to be difficult there has to be some sort of solution. then again may the poster had trouble spelling or typing & meant to say definitely culty.
Posted by bill1352 on :
By: dragon52 26 Jul 2005, 12:16 AM EDT Msg. 1054683 of 1054704 (This msg. is a reply to 1054545 by cmkx_suck2.) Jump to msg. # This will definitely be revoked... heres why....
"This Initial Decision shall become effective in accordance with and subject to the provisions of Rule 360 of the Commission's Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. ?201.360. Pursuant to that Rule, a party may file a petition for review of this Initial Decision within twenty-one days after service of the Initial Decision. A party may also file a motion to correct a manifest error of fact within ten days of the Initial Decision, pursuant to Rule 111 of the Commission's Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. ?201.111. If a motion to correct a manifest error of fact is filed by a party, then that party shall have twenty-one days to file a petition for review from the date of the undersigned's order resolving such motion to correct a manifest error of fact. The Initial Decision will not become final until the Commission enters an order of finality. The Commission will enter an order of finality unless a party files a petition for review or a motion to correct a manifest error of fact or the Commission determines on its own initiative to review the Initial Decision as to a party. If any of these events occur, the Initial Decision shall not become final as to that party."
__________________ Brenda P. Murray Chief Administrative Law Judge
1) CMKX has not filed a correction in 10 days of the ruling.
2) CMKX could file for a review but that is up in the air. What is there to review? The question is why did they not file. Since no correction to the facts have been filed within the 10 day limit, it should stand as submitted and thus there is really nothing to review.
3) Final decision will be rendered if no party partitions for a review... the SEC won't be doing that... for sure... is CMKX going to? LOL Got about 7 days left to do so...
Halt is permanent.
Posted by bill1352 on :
there's a point in there somewhere. any appeal has to dispute facts presented in court. since it was ruled that the only evidence concidered would be about filing there isn't anything to appeal. there is nothing they can say about the form 15, it was wrong & UC should have called the t/a. they were 2 filings late then & lied on the second late filing paper. form 15 if correct meant they still had to finish the yr & its final report, didn't happen. still a good lawyer will find something to appeal even if its meaningless & everyone knows it. that is unless UC runs out of money first.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wouldnt it be a laugh if UC had to sell the house to pay lawyer's bills????
Posted by lanebro on :
quote:
Didn't expect any other kind of post from you. However, not everyone who comes in here has your "vast", or at least "half vast" knowledge of this stock and the many facets of their operations.
quote:
Yada, yada, yada Legalbeagle, maybe if you could lose the rose colored glasses for a while you might consider that UC's "half-vast" knowledge of drag racing is one of the reasons he formed this sham company. And greed too, of course.
Being the sharp shooter that you are, you surely realize it is no more than a ponzi used to satisfy UC and Family's absurd egos. Had they attempted to be a little less blatant, and publicized, they might actually have gotten away unscathed.
Posted by Ric on :
I think that was what he is saying. That since they didn't file in the 10 days showing there was an error in her ruling, then a review really is meaningless. If there was no manifest error with the Judges ruling that the form 15 was either a lie or a gross error so they must file, then there is no grounds to file a review for appeal.
Posted by legaleagle on :
You really have to read the company's defense if you want to predict what they will do.
Remember, CMKX was denied the 60 days permitted to submit their filings, before charges were brought.
CMKX never disputed the "facts" that they failed to file. They disputed the SEC's authority to even bring the action and all affirmative defenses pointed to, or supported that fact.
In other words, they admit that they failed to file, they only challenged the authority. So it is reasonable to expect that their appeal strategy will only deal with that question of authority.
Respondent CMKM Diamonds alleges and believes that the Commission lacks authority to conduct the proceeding herein.
SECOND AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The allegations of the Office of the Division of Enforcement fail to state a claim upon which the Commission can render sanctions as requested in Section III B of the Order Instituting Administrative Proceeding.
Posted by Ric on :
That is still a manifest error that would need to be addressed in the 10 days.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Not if you don't recognize the authority of the court in the first place.
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: Bellingus 24 Jul 2005, 01:19 PM EDT Msg. 241854 of 242462 (This msg. is a reply to 241846 by golfer28409.) Jump to msg. # CMKX ~ golfer... Since you mentioned enemies, I'll just say this.
I'm not going to quote the source, so take it for what it is worth. Someone who is certainly in a position to know said something like, “When this is all played out, a lot of people are going to be very surprised to see UC shake hands with and thank someone who everyone though was one of the bad guys. This person is actually very instrumental in getting us to where we want to be.”
The name of the person wasn’t mentioned and I didn't ask. I found the statement very interesting because I have repeatedly said that people should be very careful when posting opinions about the ‘bad guys’ because not all is as it appears to be.
The other interesting tidbit was something I’ve suspected for a long time. All of the boards are being closely monitored. People who have consistently posted malicious and libelous statements about UC and the company are soon going to find themselves in a sh!t-storm with no toilet paper in sight.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Not if you don't recognize the authority of the court in the first place.
Question: How can you NOT recognize the ruling body. The SEC is charged with protecting investors. If they do not have the authority to bring these procedings, who does? This is not meant in an argumentative manner, just for my info.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Wouldnt it be a laugh if UC had to sell the house to pay lawyer's bills????
I am praying that he has to Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Not if you don't recognize the authority of the court in the first place.
Oh Geez now the gang are above the law, don't recognize the authority of the court. That kool aid is way to strong Authority or not they are shutting it down.
Posted by will on :
They can challenge the authority all they want, but it will yield them nothing. They are not untouchables and above the authority of the SEC. Where do you get such ideas. Because they say they can't be governed by the SEC doesn't make it so. LOL I have a jury summons, and I really don't want to take the time to go, but if I call up the court and say I am above jury selection and service, and don't recognize your authority to call me, guess where my ass will be???
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: They can challenge the authority all they want, but it will yield them nothing. They are not untouchables and above the authority of the SEC. Where do you get such ideas. Because they say they can't be governed by the SEC doesn't make it so. LOL I have a jury summons, and I really don't want to take the time to go, but if I call up the court and say I am above jury selection and service, and don't recognize your authority to call me, guess where my ass will be???
I am sure the company recognizes the authority of the SEC to act "legitimately" It is when they act outside the scope of their legal authority that they do not have to be recognized.
Posted by will on :
"I am sure the company recognizes the authority of the SEC to act "legitimately" It is when they act outside the scope of their legal authority that they do not have to be recognized."
Well, we will soon see if they acted outside the scope of their legal authority. If you are now hanging your hopes of riches on that little pearl of idiocy, I think you have problems. It will be revoked, they have the authority.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by will: They can challenge the authority all they want, but it will yield them nothing. They are not untouchables and above the authority of the SEC. Where do you get such ideas. Because they say they can't be governed by the SEC doesn't make it so. LOL I have a jury summons, and I really don't want to take the time to go, but if I call up the court and say I am above jury selection and service, and don't recognize your authority to call me, guess where my ass will be???
I am sure the company recognizes the authority of the SEC to act "legitimately" It is when they act outside the scope of their legal authority that they do not have to be recognized.
So what you're saying is that the SEC does not have the authority to force companies to file or revoke them if they dont?? I really dont understand the logic.
Posted by bill1352 on :
first cmkx was 2 yrs late in filing the last of 2002 & 1 yr late in 2003 stuff. read the rules. filing that form 15 even if it was not a lie did not mean they could forget the stuff that was late before the form 15. if your looking for a cmkx loophole yuou first better start at the beginning. they would still have to file everything for the yr the form 15 was filed. the SEC wasn't early in taking action they were extremely late. action should have been taken when cmkx lied on the second extention. the cult only wants to see chit they think can excuse UC. fact is they should pissed at the SEC for not shutting cmkx down in 2003 for lying on legal forms (second extention) then they wouldn't be stuck in a scam. & if someone wants to know on my door for calling cmkx a scam they better first prove its not.
Posted by legaleagle on :
The law is clear, they had 60 days to bring their filings up to date. They weren't charged with an illegal filing of the 15 so that is irrelevant whether it was or not. They weren't given 60 days to complete the filings. Everything that followed the premature placing of the charge of not filing was illegal.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I sure do hope UC shoots himself before anyone else shoots him. His life is not worth 1 day of the time that person would have to spend in prison. Better UC goes to jail for a nice long time and the inmates have their way with him.
STAY SAFE UC!! WE WANT YOU IN PRISON TO SEE YOUR OLD GUARD BUDDIES FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BARS.
legal,
Send the above off to UC so he knows we want him to be careful and safe.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
From legal's repost above:
"I'm not going to quote the source, so take it for what it is worth."
"The other interesting tidbit was something I’ve suspected for a long time. All of the boards are being closely monitored. People who have consistently posted malicious and libelous statements about UC and the company are soon going to find themselves in a sh!t-storm with no toilet paper in sight." --------------------
What it is worth is absolutely zero, nil, nada!
I suspect legal reposted it to try to scare someone off from expressing their opinions. Won't work, legal! There's a first ammendment in case you are not aware of it.
As usual an unnamed source, secret information, etc. What a pile of crap!!!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Shhhh.... everything is a secret. It's part of the master plam. Somebody wake up that damn judge and tell her time's up !!!!!
Posted by cobracobra on :
No legal is not alone i am here,,, could not post all day for some reason. But I am back now. And legal is right,,, it is a simple due process violation. In simpler terms so you bashers can understand,,,, If you loan some one money, you can not win a collection suit against them for non-payment if they tried to pay and you refused the money.
COBRACOBRA
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:The law is clear, they had 60 days to bring their filings up to date.
The judge addresses that very issue in her ruling:
Finally, at the hearing on May 10, 2005, CMKM Diamonds argued that its periodic filings were only delinquent by twenty-two days.15 (Tr. 51-57; Resp. Post-Hearing Br. at 2, 5-7, 15-16.) However, CMKM Diamonds knew that revocation of the Form 15 required CMKM Diamonds to file all missing periodic reports within sixty days, or by April 18, 2005. (Tr. 324.) As of the date of this Initial Decision, CMKM Diamonds had not filed the missing reports. Therefore, even if I accepted CMKM Diamonds's position that it acted in good faith and believed that the representations in its Form 15 were true, it is still in violation of Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: From legal's repost above:
"I'm not going to quote the source, so take it for what it is worth."
"The other interesting tidbit was something I’ve suspected for a long time. All of the boards are being closely monitored. People who have consistently posted malicious and libelous statements about UC and the company are soon going to find themselves in a sh!t-storm with no toilet paper in sight." --------------------
What it is worth is absolutely zero, nil, nada!
I suspect legal reposted it to try to scare someone off from expressing their opinions. Won't work, legal! There's a first ammendment in case you are not aware of it.
As usual an unnamed source, secret information, etc. What a pile of crap!!!
The first amendment does not permit libel and slander.
Posted by legaleagle on :
BTW, I have been listening off and on all weekend and yesterday to you guys spouting off about Urban and family unloading shares. Did you all note that that list was from 12-31-04? That covers trading from 7 to 19 months ago. How many of those shares were sold during the run-up at 10 to 11 times their original value, and then used to purchase back 10 or 11 times (at recent pps) the number of shares originally held. I know you all are desperate to find something negative, but over the last 7 months a lot of shares have changed hands. Do you know where they ended up? Who has them now?
[ July 26, 2005, 16:46: Message edited by: legaleagle ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: And the 50 billion shares to this company. Computer Clearing Services.
Thats 153 billion shares legal and me and bill have been talking about that too. They were the clearing house that sold shares being diluted to market.
153,871,417,699 to be exact look at bottom of this page for total.
Now for some catch up. Ric: "They were the clearing house that sold shares being diluted to market."
So you are saying that they were complicit in the dilution of shares by Urban? They purchased them direct and bypassed DTCC and CEDE to accomplish this?
Posted by will on :
"How many of those shares were sold during the run-up at 10 to 11"
EVERY FRIGGIN ONE OF THEM
"Who has them now?"
FOOLS
Posted by legaleagle on :
I guess you can hope. But as usual no proof of your twisted contentions.
Posted by will on :
...and you do have proof? You can't prove one of your fantasies. I've been asking you for a year, and you offer only new skyblue and eyewash.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Do you know where they ended up? Who has them now?" ---------------
Probably the OG, faithful, cult members. Who the hell else would want to buy them?
Posted by will on :
"Probably the OG, faithful, cult members. Who the hell else would want to buy them?"
Like I said fools. Oops, Am I being libelous there. I better be careful !
Posted by Ric on :
It just boggles the mind to hear this. I just don't know how to respond to legal in his posts today. Stand back, put the koolaid on the ground and your hands on your head. The insane asylum will be here soon with the straight jacket.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "Do you know where they ended up? Who has them now?" ---------------
Probably the OG, faithful, cult members. Who the hell else would want to buy them?
Only time will tell what you obviously cannot. But sorry guys, the Pedro documents are just too old to hang your hats on for having any idea of what has been going on for the last 7 months. Sorry, go get us some fresh information, like the real researchers do.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ex-SEC aide involved in fund scandal?
Report: Derby profited from hedge fund accused of fleecing investors of millions of dollars. July 26, 2005: 12:58 PM EDT
Special Report full coverage
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Securities and Exchange Commission's former operations chief made a bundle in a New York hedge fund being investigated by the U.S. Attorney's Office for fleecing investors out of tens of millions of dollars, a newspaper report said Tuesday.
Derby, managing executive for operations and management under former SEC Chairman William Donaldson, made a profit of $186,000 in the Sterling Watters hedge fund, which is also being sued by the SEC, the New York Post reported.
Derby is being sued along with 26 other investors who allegedly made profits by investing with Angelo Haligiannis, who ran Sterling Watters, the Post said.
Haligiannis was indicted by the U.S. Attorney's Office last September for running a pyramid scheme, and inflating returns and assets at the fund, according to the report.
The newspaper cited Institutional Investor's Alpha magazine as saying that Derby redeemed his entire $1 million investment in July 2003, just months after he joined the SEC.
Derby, who is leaving the SEC this week, and the SEC, which has filed suit against Haligiannis and Sterling Watters, did not return calls from the Post.
Posted by Ric on :
Famous or infamous Urban quotes from the past.
nabru Diamond Hunter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many can you come up with that never materialized.
"In diamond mining there is never any 100% guarantees," Urban explained. "We have a huge site with world class machinery and highly educated people exploring it. The gem quality is at least 2.5 X the world average and we are doing year round mining."
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PR Dec. 12, 2002
Urban Casavant, Chairman stated, "Integral to our mission statement is our relationship with our shareholders. We believe the website will be a frequently visited source of information for our shareholders and friends. As part of the website, shareholders will be able to email for fast and efficient answers, attend web news casts and other milestone events in the Company's history."
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PR Nov. 27, 2002
Chairman Casavant further stated, "Upon completion of the business plan our auditors will prepare our proformas and forecast to be announced,"
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DDP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAS VEGAS, Dec 17, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) announced today that the company has officially retired 16,520,477,200 shares of CMKM stock back to the Treasury.
Urban Casavant, President of CMKM stated, "This is a huge step to create greater shareholder value by reducing the amount of shares issued of CMKM by over 16.5 billion shares. We also plan to retire more shares back to the treasury as soon as all necessary paper work is completed."
Casavant Mining International, Inc. (CMI) is currently private but will announce its plan to go public by Friday, December 19, 2003.
Posted by Ric on :
Real research, lol. Where. All that has ever been stated was theories and most of them have been proven wrong. The company refuses to give information so where is this real research? Since the cult refuses to tell where they get anything yet they think you must believe them. The only place they can get there research is from their delusional minds. Give one once of proof that anything is factual about CMKX not being a scam. Not I believe. The only facts we have gotten from CMKX is from the hearing. The Company refuses to say anything. Conspiracy, so we can't say anything.
[ July 26, 2005, 18:45: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by will on :
"Real research" = Cult collective masturbation.
Posted by will on :
Speaking of masturbation I haven't seen anything lately from the honorable oral orgasming fool, Dr D. What's his latest, last I saw him he was backing up with the smell of chit in his blood.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Legal is a bag of hot air. He pretends to know something the rest of us dont, but when pressed for it, we get told to do more DD. If he were any kind of a man, and had anything concrete to contribute, he would just tell us what he can of what he knows, instead of playing mind games.
I have a job for ya, legal. Our local winery has an opening for a guy who is responsible for cleaning the used wine-bottle corks, so they can be used over. All he has to do is boil each cork for an hour to make sure all traces of contamination are removed. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll forward the phone number to you. Oh, by the way, the job title is "Dirty Cork Soaker"
Posted by will on :
"Dirty Cork Soaker"
How much does it pay, ed ? LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
I think its a buck an hour and all you can drink.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:"Dirty Cork Soaker"
How much does it pay, ed ? LOL
I'd think you'd know that already.
Posted by will on :
Hey I'm just doing a little real DD for legal. How can he make a good decision without all the facts. Oops ! Sorry, that is his specialty. Even when he knows the facts he'll either disregard them or change them to support his contentions and fantasies. He'd probably make the cork soaker job sound good by saying it with French accent. LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
I have only one more item to cover before I say goodnight to the thread, and you gentlemen.
This is directed to legal. Most reasonable humans on this earth help out their friends whenever they can. I have seen people go out of their way to help somebody less fortunate than they. They are never nasty about it or request remuneration for their services, as most are glad to give it free. Others are mean, spiteful wretches who wouldnt help out even if they were paid. How does this apply to CMKX, you ask?
If you are indeed what you say you are, and know what you say you do, I would think that you would be eager to share what you know with others who are just trying to make a little money in stocks. But all you ever do is make assumptions. If you have any real facts, how about throwing us a bone or two. I've shared my viewpoints with others on different stocks, because when push comes to shove, we are all here for the same reason....to make money. The more of us that give what we know to others is what makes ALL of us successful. If you are not that type, then I can only choose to classify you with the second kind.
I wish we could all get along, get rich (or at least comfortable), and share. Who knows what we might accomplish if we stuck together. And I'm not talking about banding together with a lawyer, I'm talking about sharing information that we KNOW to be true with each other.
I'm done, do as you will, but I have hopes that you are like the rest of us, trying to get along. Good night, gentlemen, and good luck in whatever stock you may pick to invest in.
Posted by Ric on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you sick of being called a basher? Do your posts drop to the bottom of the page without being read? Well my friend, if you in this boat than I am here to help. Follow these simple tips and you are sure to be a hit with the crowd!
1) Make a good first impression...start with your thread title. The title of your thread should be as flamboyant as possible. a. Use as many symbols as possible...***^^*@@@ etc b. Make sure you add exclamation points after the title (at least 3) because people cannot wait to read your next post! (you are a guru after all!!!) c. Make sure you add your user name after the exclamation points because people are on the lookout for your posts! Who cares if the poster's name is already under the column "started by".
2) PUMP PUMP PUMP!!! a. What's wrong? You have no facts? Who cares just Pump, PUmp, PUMP! b. Create catchy new phrases such as "if your in you win" c. Always mention a buyout with the hint of a cash divy. d. CMKX's valuation is over a trillion-gazillion-fabillion dollars no matter what the bashers say! e. If someone questions you tell them to sell!!!!! Call them a basher!!! Don't worry the rest of the pumpers have your back!!!
3) You are now an insider and have key details about cmkx's operations!!! a. Make statements such as...just wait until UC unveils his "MASTER PLAN" b. True longs will be rewarded c. This whole revocation thing had to happen...it was part of the script! d. We can't file because our enemys will know what we have! e. Bashers only bash a good stock!
OK...gotta get back to work now. Please feel free to add more so we can all become CMKX Gurus!!!!!!
Posted by will on :
You're losing it, ed. Do you really want this guy's information, it is so tainted and twisted it's worth, CRAP !
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Legal is a bag of hot air. He pretends to know something the rest of us dont, but when pressed for it, we get told to do more DD. If he were any kind of a man, and had anything concrete to contribute, he would just tell us what he can of what he knows, instead of playing mind games.
I have a job for ya, legal. Our local winery has an opening for a guy who is responsible for cleaning the used wine-bottle corks, so they can be used over. All he has to do is boil each cork for an hour to make sure all traces of contamination are removed. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll forward the phone number to you. Oh, by the way, the job title is "Dirty Cork Soaker"
Ed, do more DD.
Posted by legaleagle on :
In the past I have told people here the nature of the DD that is done in the group that I work with. And some of the things that they do are....well......borderline. So if I told you any more I would have to.............well, you know. LOL
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Legal, Is CMKX & JV's all your group concentrates it's efforts on?
Posted by will on :
Yes we know, soak our corks, right ?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I'll never look at a glass wine the same way Will...LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Just make sure the bottle doesn't say "cork cleaned by Will" and you should be ok Highway.
Posted by will on :
I sign my work, child, lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Legal, Is CMKX & JV's all your group concentrates it's efforts on?
About 80% for most of the group. About 90% for me. We do check on other stocks and share pertinent investment information. But CMKX is the "holy grail" of DD and research. kinda like NY, if you can make it there you can make it anywhere.
Posted by will on :
"About 80% for most of the group. About 90% for me. We do check on other stocks and share pertinent investment information."
Then they use the other 23 hours and 59 minutes of the day to sleep and dream.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Over the weekend, it was high absorption in DD, poring over the reams of evidence, even if it was over half a year old. Ahhh but today it's back to the old level of intellectual sophistication: mastubation, cork soaking and individual bashing. Home Sweet Home
Posted by Highwaychild on :
It kind of reminds me of the old saying... you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.Only thing is, everybody seems to be out for blood.A while back it was like everytime CMKX would put out some good news, the JV's pps is what would run.Ofcourse not much PR out by CMKX for awhile,yet I see USCA is moving pretty good as of late.Why don't they (CMKX) just do whatever it is their going to do allready!LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Speaking of masturbation I haven't seen anything lately from the honorable oral orgasming fool, Dr D. What's his latest, last I saw him he was backing up with the smell of chit in his blood.
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Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,098 Location: Kentucky Mr. Casavant I believe it is time for information « Thread Started on Today at 12:19am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Casavant I believe it is time for information – FWIW - The Short version
I am still 100% behind CMKX, but some of this silence is unacceptable, suspicious, damaging, and ridiculous from a caring man of your character. Especially seeing that most of the following are simple to be remedied, IMHO. I believe much of the discouragement from the shareholders is coming from the ineffectiveness of management to communicate with the shareholders and simply let them know
1. Where are we at now as a whole?
2. What actions are we taking to resolve our problems and develop our assets?
3. What will become of us in the future whether there is a revocation or not?
I believe early on there was concern about how we got to where we are right now, but I believe the 3 questions above have won out as the curiosity about the past for the majority of the shareholders that I have had communication with has lessened.
My opinion - The Longer version
It is time for the company to at least speak up even if they don’t put up. The NSS position and the claims are still very real and very valuable in assessing the investment potential of CMKX regardless. IMHO of course.
It is sad that so many shareholders have sold and more than likely many are going to follow suit over the next week especially if the company doesn’t inform us of its progress on the settlement proposal and or the filing of the Appeal very “soon”. (Sorry for the usage.) IMHO, the silence of Mr. Casavant and the company is doing more to destroy the shareholder base than “shorty”, bashers, the NSS position, and a significantly sub penny PPS could ever do and there is absolutely nothing any of us has been able to do about it. Most have tolerated the oppressed PPS, fought the bashers, attacked “Shorty”, and financed an effort to expose the NSS position, but this silence from the company kind of takes the wind out of every ones sails.
I understand that the road is rocky right now and it is very difficult to stay on path and anyone that can’t and sells should not have to suffer persecution from the longs or the shareholders that are trenched in. I do know that we, the shareholders, joined together as a family and have backed the play of the company for an extended period of time with next to absolutely nothing to ride on. We have relied on the PR’s of old for some time until even the claims we value so highly seem to be irrelevant not knowing what the company truly intends to do with them.
Personally I am still hanging in and holding on. I have not heard anything from the company as to what the immediate plans are so I know no more than you do. I am being told that many more shareholders have been selling than is showing up on the daily volumes. It appears that 10’s of billions have been going through on level 3 which could mean that “Shorty” is getting a whole lot of shares from worn out shareholders to settle up on a portion of the NSS position for next to nothing. I will tell you I am making every possible effort to buy as many shares as I can at these prices. If some are selling, I can’t stop that but I am buying if for no other reason than to keep as many as I can out of “Shorty’s” hands.
We are all aware that there is more information floating around right now than most know what to do with and unfortunately we are left for our own interpretations of what this information is saying. I fully believe an explanation needs to come from the company although I honestly don’t believe we will get it. I personally have never asked anyone to have a kind of a blind faith in myself, but it appears that Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu is expecting that from us. Maybe this is the true price we are expected to pay to reap the benefits of CMKX in the long run. Whether we like it or not, that is kind of where we are and at this point the alternative (of selling) is and always has been completely unacceptable.
On the other hand, I believe that the company is still waiting for the response of the SEC/Commission on the settlement proposal from our legal counsel, in spite of others known disagreement with my assumption. We are under the opinion that the SEC attorneys sent the Settlement Proposal on to the Commission with an opinion. This is very interesting, IMHO, for I believe if the SEC attorneys did not approve of the proposal they would never have forwarded it on to the Commission for consideration. Seeing the attorneys seemed to be satisfied with the proposal it could go well that the company is able to enter the settlement agreement and the Administrative Hearing kind of goes away. The burden of proof or the demand to satisfy the objectives of the proposal will be upon the company and the SEC is off the hook, so to speak. If the settlement process doesn’t manifest any results by this weeks end then the company, IMHO should go ahead and file the Appeal by Friday at the latest. We only had 21 days to file the Appeal on the initial decision to revoke and without an appeal or an accepted settlement proposal in place, I believe we get the order for the final decision to revoke the registration.
The Appeals process could take as long as 6 to 9 months overall and this is not exactly what most shareholders were hoping for. The settlement proposal could take as long as 120 days and that is not what most shareholders were hoping for either.
Another alternative the company could be considering is to permit the revocation and then focus on filing a Form 10 to reregister which may actually be the shortest time frame for all involved. I don’t think anyone wants a final revocation so I would think that this option for the company would be kind of a last resort, but it still could show up on the table.
None of us know absolutely what is happening at this point and the company isn’t saying, so “there you go”!
That takes us back to the beginning of this thread and the 3 questions.
I still believe if we stay in we win, but the time frame is up for grabs until transparency is achieved in CMKX! These are all just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
Success is at hand!
Dr.D
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Just make sure the bottle doesn't say "cork cleaned by Will" and you should be ok Highway.
Just hope noone uses an old rusty corkscrew on it.LOL How you doing Up, well I hope.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: It kind of reminds me of the old saying... you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.Only thing is, everybody seems to be out for blood.A while back it was like everytime CMKX would put out some good news, the JV's pps is what would run.Ofcourse not much PR out by CMKX for awhile,yet I see USCA is moving pretty good as of late.Why don't they (CMKX) just do whatever it is their going to do allready!LOL
Sometimes waiting is doing what you're going to do.
Posted by will on :
"1. Where are we at now as a whole?" That would be in the abyss of an ass-whole, pretty dark there, Dr D.
"2. What actions are we taking to resolve our problems and develop our assets?" The only actions be taken is to cover our asses, never mid the assets, they have been pissed away already.
"3. What will become of us in the future whether there is a revocation or not?" Ever hear the saying, "you're f--ked" !
Posted by legaleagle on :
OH, and I forgot articulate debating skills. Don't know what brought that to mind.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
From PB
JV's...The list is as follows:
Anglo Minerals Ltd Aztec Mining Corp Claimstaker Resources Ltd Claimstaker Resources Ltd Consolidated Pine CH GOLD Claude Resources Inc Crystalix Group International Inc Diagem International Resource Corp El Capitan Precious Metals Inc Entourage Mining Ltd Explor Resources Inc Forest Gate Resources Inc (no real connections to date—just hunch) Golden Arch Resources Ltd Great Western Minerals Group Ltd HorseShoe Gold Mining Inc International Uranium Ltd JNR Resources Inc J-Pacific Gold Inc Juina Mining Corp Magnum Minerals Corp Morgain Minerals North Sask Ventures Ltd Shane Resources SHORE GOLD INC SKEENA RESOURCES LIMITED St. George Metals Inc UNITED CARINA RESOURCES CORP U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc War Eagle Mining Company Inc Wescan Goldfields Inc
Are you staying on top of all these Legal? What about BBAN?The Williams connection.
My head hurts.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I will tell you I am making every possible effort to buy as many shares as I can at these prices. If some are selling, I can’t stop that but I am buying if for no other reason than to keep as many as I can out of “Shorty’s” hands."
Keep it up fool! That way maybe some of the many you sucked into buying CMKX might be pleased. SURE THEY WILL!!!
will,
Sure did like the way you expressed the facts about 1-2-3 above.
Every time that guy says something, it confirms his nickname Dr.Dementia.
Posted by will on :
Like you Wallace, the one thing I was pleased to read that Dr Dummy is still buying. LOL At least he says he is. He writes well enough to have an education that would allow him to understand my answer to his query #3. So, he's probably saying he's buying to encourage his followers, (aka puke eaters), to buy, while he's dumping them quicker then the Casavant family did.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ric, the procedure is ... "Step away from the coolaid, put your hands behind your head and take three steps back... you have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney (frizz?), whatever you say .... etc ,etc
Posted by stockster5 on :
oops...koolaid I mean
Posted by bill1352 on :
well another fun night at allstocks i see. dont ya just love dr d's pearls of wisdom. just so darn encouraging. lets see, at .0004 cmkx was a steal, down right stealing, it sure can't last here very long... now at .00005 its a bargin & we just can't let shorty cover. i'm wondering if he even notices the extra zero in there. i'm guessing he thinks it's another fat finger moment.
legal, i'm thinking you need a few head massages, do you wear your collars too tight or something??? you really need more blood flow in the brain area. the casavant might have sold hi to buy back low???? wasn't that the rally cry for months about UC??? you still dont get the insider trading issues do ya my friend. got that stuck in there with the first grade math stuff do ya??? let me ask you this, ya think ginger, the wonderful office manager sold her 20 some billion taking in at least $4.6 million & bought even more shares??? you know the lady, the one that can't get a document sent out to accountants so that filing is possible??? i'm guessing that if she had keep things in order she would have gotten $4.60 not $4.6 million.
while i'm catching up a comment on the JV list....rotflmao. i think they missed debeers & kensington. i mean what the heck, they are next door. makes as much sence as about 90% of that list. shore gold??? ya think maybe they share outhouses??? because thats as close to partners as cmkx will ever get to with shore gold. i'm also sure exxon/mobil & BP are looking to get in on that rumored oil sand deal too.
Posted by Ric on :
The spin is starting. The evidence was so over whelming it took a few days but they are pouring some extra koolaid now to forget it. They keep talking about UC BUYING BACK SHARES but they still miss a key point here. UC would be breaking SEC rules of insider trading. I would bet that they didn't use it (selling all his shares) at the hearing because of criminal charges in the future. Why play that card now in a revocation hearing if they don't have to. You can't buy and sell personal stock as a CEO without reporting it. Geeze. Also They are trying to make a JV list, out of the air by the way, but still the ones in the list were selling there freebie shares as fast as UC and family. All we can do now is hope this ends soon so Legal can get some professional help.
Posted by Ric on :
Also Business Works sold 63 billion shares????
Peter Dunn owned 54 billion sold 34 billion shares?????
Grant Hodging has 53.7 billion sold 53 billion???
James Kinney had 73.5 billion sold 53.5 billion???
Nevada Minerals had 80 billion sold 4.2 billion???
Now these are just the ones over 40 billion or 5% of 800 billion. I would guess that others that sold with around 30 billion may have broken the law too because not sure when they sold and what the o/s was when they did so only used those over 40 billion.
GUESS WHAT they broke the law. If you own 5% or more of the shares of a company you must report selling of those shares. This looks to have several criminal elements to it. Hate to be a pumper in this. If they get serious about this stock, the chit could hit the fan big time.
[ July 27, 2005, 01:51: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Ric:
quote:If they get serious about this stock, the chit could hit the fan big time.
Doubt that'll happen though. They'll get rid of the biggest offender (CMKX) and leave it at that. I think they've got bigger fish to fry than to mess around with a tangled web of penny stocks.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: The spin is starting. The evidence was so over whelming it took a few days but they are pouring some extra koolaid now to forget it. They keep talking about UC BUYING BACK SHARES but they still miss a key point here. UC would be breaking SEC rules of insider trading. I would bet that they didn't use it (selling all his shares) at the hearing because of criminal charges in the future. Why play that card now in a revocation hearing if they don't have to. You can't buy and sell personal stock as a CEO without reporting it. Geeze. Also They are trying to make a JV list, out of the air by the way, but still the ones in the list were selling there freebie shares as fast as UC and family. All we can do now is hope this ends soon so Legal can get some professional help.
No Ric and bill, we completely understand insider trading. But the rules do not govern the very extensive Casavant family, nor does it cover private corporations like CIM.
And as stated previously, the "news" is at least seven months old and much of it 19 months old.
Posted by Upside on :
Why wouldn't insider trading rules apply to the Casavants?
Posted by will on :
They're special. Remember CMKX the super company, can negotiate with any government agency, and for that matter with governments on behalf the US. They're above the law, diplomatic immunity.
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Why wouldn't insider trading rules apply to the Casavants?
Posted by bill1352 on :
ric you forgot to add that nevada minerals gave back 75 billion shares for $2 million on a note due in december. the reason given by nevada minerials in court was they didn't feel good about their company being that involved with cmkx. it was done in their companies best interest. & they are private no SEC involvment.
if you want to look at the dates legal you can add a bunch of illegal trades to the list. the a/s was 500 billion till late aug, just before the UCAD own by date. thus a few more had 5% of cmkx & never said anything about selling, a violation of insider & major shareholder rules. in fact if you look at the date, nobody that had such large amounts of cmkx cared about the divys. nobody held for the CIM divy that i've seen yet, not even cmkx's office manager. she got some of CIM but not much compared to what she owned of cmkx.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I'd like to know why we havent heard a whisper from the guy who said the shareholders should be kept up to date....Maheu? Far as I know, he has NEVER put out one word in a PR.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal i'll give you a gift...now follow the cmkx guru rules & go paste this everywhere...just leave my name off ok???
the CIM pr said this divy was to increase shareholder value. since many insiders own as much of cmkx as they did the shareholders would get a smaller % of CIM. they knew the major support the great CMKX shareholders were giving them. they knew they would buy large amounts if the pps dropped so they all sold most of everything they owned so that the pps would drop & the real CMKX faithfull could buy more cmkx cheaper & thus get a bigger piece of CIM. that way when everything was moved into CIM the ones that believed in CMKX & UC the most would benifit from CIM the most.
there ya go legal, that might help ya get world diamond god moderater status
[ July 27, 2005, 12:19: Message edited by: bill1352 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
i just thought of something...where is uncle melvin on that list??? did UC keep him out of the free share flow??? maybe when he was screaming the o/s wasn't 400 billion its because he really thought it wasn't. it doesn't look like UC put him on the gravy train. desormeau got on with business works, wonder if ginger got even more from that deal, & desormeau got paid $1.5 million in cash over the shares to business works. looks like old uncle mel got the shaft from UC as well.
Posted by Ric on :
Uncle Melvin may have been smart like Maheu and demanded cash instead of this pos shares. If he knew of the dilution going on then he probably knew the stock price was going to plummet.
Posted by Upside on :
That would have been a shrewd move on Melvins part but that's really a stretch. I don't think that the words "Melvin" and "smart" have ever been used in the same sentence before today.
Posted by Ric on :
lol, thought of that after I wrote it.
Posted by Ric on :
Drink more koolaid. Buy more CMKX before it's too late. You have only a week left to load up.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: jsq1 Dr. Of Diamonds
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Well, folks, I see you are still trying to enlighten the ignorant. Tough job, huh? Thankless too!!!
Posted by will on :
It would be easier to teach a goldfish how to ride a bike or play a banjo.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Well, folks, I see you are still trying to enlighten the ignorant. Tough job, huh? Thankless too!!!
Posted by ed19363 on :
How about teaching a goldfish to play a banjo WHILE riding a bike.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Legal, Is CMKX & JV's all your group concentrates it's efforts on?
About 80% for most of the group. About 90% for me. We do check on other stocks and share pertinent investment information. But CMKX is the "holy grail" of DD and research. kinda like NY, if you can make it there you can make it anywhere.
Looks more like a "wholly chit pail" Posted by Upside on :
Ed, you lost a star! When did that happen? Did it hurt?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Didnt feel a thing, upside. Didnt even notice. Those stars mean about as much as the DD on CMKX.....NADA....LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
Long Con$en$u$ emerging: CMKX mu$t be Revoked!
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Consensus emerging from CMKX Longs that CMKX must be revoked !!
Even Willy Wizard agrees that CMKX should be revoked
- - - and he owns almost a billion shares !!
From: ***********2 Date: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 am Subject: CMKX will be revoked ***********2 Offline
WE need CMKX to stop trading locking in the short. Then we get paid.
DR DIAMOND SEEMS TO RECOGNIZE THE PLAUSABILITY OF REVOCATION AS A BACK-UP PLAN (although he does not think that it is the primary plan)
{"Another alternative the company could be considering is to permit the revocation and then focus on filing a Form 10 to reregister which may actually be the shortest time frame for all involved. - - - it still could show up on the table. "}
{"Whether you want to see this or not, we are going to have to move forward no matter what, either with or without CMKX. I have been trying to get people to see such. Seeing such does not mean that you don’t believe in CMKX. It’s the inevitable!"}
The idea that CMKX Revocation is a POSITIVE event was initiated by yours truly, jawz_2020, on July 5 - A WEEK BEFORE JUDGE BRENDA'S DECISION TO DO JUST THAT.
What if HOSTILE TAKE-OVER is the Main issue? huh « Thread Started on Jul 5, 2005, 7:58pm » <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Looks like this thread is slowing down. This has been one funny dabate, comical debate that is.
It looks like it is harder and harder for the cult to come up with new material without there leader UC making meaningless statement for them to turn into something grand. Or statements that the cult could turn the attention away from himself. Like when he said in the March PR that If the SEC didn't want him to release information. Now that was brilliant tactic from a great con artist. He didn't say the SEC is keeping him from releasing information so he couldn't get in trouble for what he said. He said if and that was key to his deception. Now he planted in the cults mind that it is the SEC's fault that he refuses to give them anything. Like the SEC had the power to tell a CEO that. How laughable. But what is even more funny is the cult fell for it hook line and sinker.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I gave up on the goldfish and ate him while I was riding my bike and playing the banjo....
Posted by stockster5 on :
I think you all give UC way too much credit... He's a ex-prison guard for cripes sake. I think UC stumbled into this diamond scam and went for the ride while other people manipulated the intelligent stuff. UC was more than happy to be involved. I don't think UC is going to see one day of jail. If they could find him, maybe.!
Posted by duediligence1 on :
Legal, doesn't this guy realize that this is a stupid statement? It makes him look like a third grader, it's all he ever says.
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When it comes to CMKX all reasonable and rationale thoughts must be discarded from ones mind. The word Normal does not enter the equation.....We're wearing the inside out.........
Posted by glassman on :
kindo reminds me of politics AND religion Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Wonder if Maheu has been paid yet? How about it, legal? You claim to know so much! After all, that should not enter in to the equations of your big DD secrets! Won't matter if the competition knows that.
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: I think you all give UC way too much credit... He's a ex-prison guard for cripes sake. I think UC stumbled into this diamond scam and went for the ride while other people manipulated the intelligent stuff. UC was more than happy to be involved. I don't think UC is going to see one day of jail. If they could find him, maybe.!
So what are you saying ? Are you saying all Prison guards are stupid or crooked? thats effed up. COBRA
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Due, laughable isn't the word, what all I've read on this thread.Like when Upsides dog bout' burned his house down,one post lead to another... then it got real sick/humor.LOL ...You never know what'll pop up by the characters in here.
I agree.It has been "who's on first, What is now on second!What?Right! Another subtle hint I think I picked up on,Glassman always refered to CMKX as CMK?,(all the symbol changes).I think the "X" was supposed to be like subliminally "marks the spot".But who knows.
Legal, when do you think the UCAD divvys hatch?
[ July 27, 2005, 22:11: Message edited by: Highwaychild ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Well, well. Did we just hear from the snake? Another of his mighty contributions as a result of intelligent DD? LOL
Hey snake, where in the NJ Garbage Can do you live. How about lunch some time? Your treat since you have made so much money on SCAMS.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Highwaychild:
quote:Due, laughable isn't the word, what all I've read on this thread.Like when Upsides dog bout' burned his house down,one post lead to another... then it got real sick/humor.LOL
Yeah, that was real funny, wasn't it? Upsides problems = other peoples humor, story of my life. Then Will took over and down the sewer it went.
Posted by will on :
Now notice how smooth my good friend Upside is. He was the one copulating with his pet, and he makes it appears I took things down the sewer. That's the pot calling the kettle, isn't it?
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Highwaychild:
quote:Due, laughable isn't the word, what all I've read on this thread.Like when Upsides dog bout' burned his house down,one post lead to another... then it got real sick/humor.LOL
Yeah, that was real funny, wasn't it? Upsides problems = other peoples humor, story of my life. Then Will took over and down the sewer it went.
Posted by Ric on :
You two ever thought about going on the road together and hitting the clubs? lol I think it would be a smashing act.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:Now notice how smooth my good friend Upside is. He was the one copulating with his pet, and he makes it appears I took things down the sewer. That's the pot calling the kettle, isn't it?
See, there you go again, one giant leap over the line of decency and good taste. Stop yourself man!
Posted by Upside on :
By the way, don't you remember what was said about Allstocks last time you used that Upside/dog line? There were other boards saying we had sunk to a new low with bestiality talk. Come to think of it, they were right.
Posted by BuyTex on :
maybe I been on the wrong thread...
Posted by will on :
Depends if your dog is smiling or growling at you, Tex.
Posted by BuyTex on :
you mean...
like,
oooh, nevermind...won't go there
Good luck, trading, y'all...
*ruff*
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Well, well. Did we just hear from the snake? Another of his mighty contributions as a result of intelligent DD? LOL
Hey snake, where in the NJ Garbage Can do you live. How about lunch some time? Your treat since you have made so much money on SCAMS.
Wallace why do you keep sounding more and more like the "byrd" with your posts. You hate him so much yet your personal bashing seems to emulate him. Curious condition you have there.
Posted by Ric on :
The new Real Player messed my computer up. Had to manually delete it and go back to a previous system restore date. Grrrrrrrrrrr and I got a ram file I wanted to play. Maybe I can find an old version of real player somewhere.
Well back to CMKX. I just wondering if the koolaid that the cult drinks can work on playboy models to convince them that dirty old men are in fact young hulks. It is obviously very strong stuff. Could market it and make a fortune.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Due, laughable isn't the word, what all I've read on this thread.Like when Upsides dog bout' burned his house down,one post lead to another... then it got real sick/humor.LOL ...You never know what'll pop up by the characters in here.
I agree.It has been "who's on first, What is now on second!What?Right! Another subtle hint I think I picked up on,Glassman always refered to CMKX as CMK?,(all the symbol changes).I think the "X" was supposed to be like subliminally "marks the spot".But who knows.
Legal, when do you think the UCAD divvys hatch?
Highway, they will probably be "something else" before the restriction is lifted.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Highway, they will probably be "something else" before the restriction is lifted.
I've got about a thousand responses for that but I'll let someone else have the fun.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Legal, you are known to have done more than your fair share of personal bashing. Hypocrite!!
Interesting, the last few days since that information from the hearing has come out, avid, faithful, pumpers such as yourself have toned done the rhetoric. The writing's on the wall, legal.
Haven't any of you bothered to ask Frizzy why he never said anything about all the negative information in those share issuances? Bright bunch of OG members, huh. Too damn dumb to ask the obvious. Now he's serving two groups (Phase I and Phase II) with different interests?
Noticed you never responded to the fact that he hadn't even thought of a Phase I or II, but that you claimed to have known all about both. Credibility, legal. Credibility!!
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Well, well. Did we just hear from the snake? Another of his mighty contributions as a result of intelligent DD? LOL
Hey snake, where in the NJ Garbage Can do you live. How about lunch some time? Your treat since you have made so much money on SCAMS.
Wallace why do you keep sounding more and more like the "byrd" with your posts. You hate him so much yet your personal bashing seems to emulate him. Curious condition you have there.
Well while we try to figue out what curious condition you are talking about we do have a definitive diagnosis for you legal, it's called "Foolitis" Posted by bill1352 on :
this project i'm on is pissin me off, i miss jumpin on upside about dog humpin, will about...well with Will anything works i guess, he's too easy to jump on. wallace is grumpy, must not be gettin any again. really wallace ya need to get the wife some flowers or something...lol. then there is legal & his reposts from my ex-buddies at pb32. i think your right Ric, we need to get the rights to that kool-aide. the heck with diamonds. just think we could all have 20 something 9's & 10's thinking we were young studs & not need viagra. it was bad enough when the facts were semi-clear but now with the shareholders list & court transcript slapping the cult upside the head they still have no clue. legal, look at the dates of the big shareholders sells. not the companies but the ppl. not 1 of them gave a crap about the divys, not USCA, not GEMM & even less about CIM. these are the ppl UC has been handing shares to right from the press. if there was some value in the CIM divy they would not have dumped almost if not everything before getting their CIM divy on all those billions of shares.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"wallace is grumpy, must not be gettin any again." Good night all my good friends.
Posted by bill1352 on :
nite wallace...lol
Posted by Ric on :
bill, not only did they not wait for divy's, If you noticed they also sold pretty quick after recieving the shares. Unless it was S-restricted which has a month notification I believe, otherwise they sold their shares in some cases the next day after receiving there shares.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i love the idea of wanting to get revoked to trap shorts but then file a form 10 to be reinstated. it took a lot of brains for that 1. that does what...all the same shares are there again. i just sort of added eveyone 1 up...no companies just ppl, over 300 billion shares with 50 billion still not sold as of feb 15th when this stuff is dated. since these ppl got so many shares they had to be close to insiders lets say that makes the float about 650 billion. the big factor for the cult when UC pr'ed the 703 billion o/s. they kept saying when the o/s was brought up how we didn't know the float. well we know it now. 650 billion isn't a float, its a few oceans.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i wonder if the cult understands that a 650 billion float is bigger then the combined o/s of the fortune 200. the top 200 companies in the market added together does not equal 650 billion.
Posted by Ric on :
I almost bet the fortune 500 isn't much more.
Posted by bill1352 on :
just once it would be nice to see the cult get a story straight. in the last 2 days our local cult leader has given 2 ideas about the master list. first its old thus these ppl sold those cert shares hi & bought low & now must hold their positions in Cede or street. then why is the cult getting most of their shares in cert? why aren't these in the loop ppl getting theirs in cert? they don't care about shorty? they dont care its about to be revoked & want to ensure proof of ownership?? second idea was it didn't matter because all assets had been transfered out of cmkx to CIM. CIM is private, ya think UC is selling them shares on the side? they can't buy them on the market. they didn't hold cmkx for the divys of CIM. heck they didn't hold for UCAD or GEMM. if UC is selling them CIM on the side whats the current o/s? he gave them a few hundred billion of cmkx did he do the same with CIM? could CIM be in the hundreds of billions too?. the cult & hopeful investor which holds 650 billion shares of cmkx gets to r/s down to 20 billion while UC's buddies get the rest? plus add in CMI divys from 2003 & your right back where you are today. huge o/s, no money to go from drilling holes to a running mine & no way to get that money.
i think you need a better idea. the light bulb on those two is burnt out.
Posted by legaleagle on :
From Sterlings Paltalk
HndtoHnd: I hate people who forward warnings to anyone, but this one is important! Send this warning to everyone on your email list!
If someone comes to your front door saying they are conducting a survey on deer ticks and asks you to take your clothes off and dance around to shake off the ticks, do NOT do it! IT IS A SCAM; I wish I'd gotten this yesterday, I feel so stupid!
Posted by Ric on :
I see the "sellers" are back in the theories again. The exhibits proved they did never own a majority in the company but the pesky 14C and where they can take back the claims is back in the fore front.
I think it was funny how at first it took a court order before UC could say anything. And when they were confronted with the fact that UC was in court, duh, then it was no, no, no, we meant he couldn't say anything unless it was in appeal.
Now its not only must it be during an appeal, it must be an appeal after the 21 day. That CMKX can't appeal in the 21 day period because well who really knows. It just makes them feel better not hearing about the appeal by now I guess. The spin the the cult can bring up is getting more silly by the second.
From form 14c
11.2 NO INDEMNIFICATION. This indemnity will not apply in respect of an Indemnified Party in the event and to the extent that a court of competent jurisdiction in a final judgment shall determine that the Indemnified Party was grossly negligent or guilty of willful misconduct.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Posted by ACKCANE on :
OK - So when is thing officially dead?
Posted by will on :
Thought we did this once before, August 2.
quote:Originally posted by ACKCANE: OK - So when is thing officially dead?
Posted by ed19363 on :
May as well sell CIM (or whatever) in Europe. They havent tasted the koolaid yet, and there might be a few fish over there that would actually buy it. Try South America and Africa too.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: May as well sell CIM (or whatever) in Europe. They havent tasted the koolaid yet, and there might be a few fish over there that would actually buy it. Try South America and Africa too.
ED YOU DON'T GET ON THIS LIST WITHOUT BEING CHECKED OUT BY THE NAMED AGENCIES
"Within this context, and based on a functional separation between financial analysis and investigative activities, the UIC has the task of elaborating on the reports, based on the financial information in its possession; the reports are then sent to the Anti-Mafia Investigation Bureau and to the Nucleo Speciale di Polizia Valutaria of the Guardia di Finanza (Special Financial Crime Unit of the Financial Police) for appropriate follow-up activities."
Posted by Mike White on :
NWPO
Do you see NWPO's chart yet? Good entry point
Posted by bill1352 on :
now there's an idea i can jump on legal...that is as long as the main cult members move to europe so they can trade CIM. screw up the european gene pool, the US pool is in bad enough shape...lol
Posted by Mike White on :
Wrong thread... and I can not edit the message.. sry guys!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: now there's an idea i can jump on legal...that is as long as the main cult members move to europe so they can trade CIM. screw up the european gene pool, the US pool is in bad enough shape...lol
I rather doubt that that CIM would become a European Company, however I think this development clearly points out the company's direction with CIM.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: now there's an idea i can jump on legal...that is as long as the main cult members move to europe so they can trade CIM. screw up the european gene pool, the US pool is in bad enough shape...lol
I rather doubt that that CIM would become a European Company, however I think this development clearly points out the company's direction with CIM.
Yes I see it, the vision is very clear, Urban has scammed in Canada, the US and we have caught on to his scams so move to Europe and scam them He could not open on the US market with CIM as the SEC is watching him.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: now there's an idea i can jump on legal...that is as long as the main cult members move to europe so they can trade CIM. screw up the european gene pool, the US pool is in bad enough shape...lol
I rather doubt that that CIM would become a European Company, however I think this development clearly points out the company's direction with CIM.
Yes I see it, the vision is very clear, Urban has scammed in Canada, the US and we have caught on to his scams so move to Europe and scam them He could not open on the US market with CIM as the SEC is watching him.
I KNOW ALL OF THE BELOW NAMED INVESTIGATIVE UNITS DON'T DO THE QUALITY DD THAT YOU DO, BUT I SUSPECT THEY HAVE CHECKED OUT THE COMPANY PRETTY THOROUGHLY
"Within this context, and based on a functional separation between financial analysis and investigative activities, the UIC has the task of elaborating on the reports, based on the financial information in its possession; the reports are then sent to the Anti-Mafia Investigation Bureau and to the Nucleo Speciale di Polizia Valutaria of the Guardia di Finanza (Special Financial Crime Unit of the Financial Police) for appropriate follow-up activities."
Posted by ed19363 on :
Whatever....I'm tired of this company.
Posted by legaleagle on :
How many times have I heard that?
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Well, well. Did we just hear from the snake? Another of his mighty contributions as a result of intelligent DD? LOL
Hey snake, where in the NJ Garbage Can do you live. How about lunch some time? Your treat since you have made so much money on SCAMS.
If you live close to philly then we could be neighbors Wallass, I never claimed to make huge money in scams, i have made a few small flips for a 2 or 3 bagger here and there. I was the one that said before that i am prob. only slightly over even. But i enjoy it. so mr. HISC, why dont you treat? Name the place and i will come. Make sure its someplace that serves descent food,,, I dont do burgers. No sense bashing a person i cant put a face to. COBRA
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Whatever....I'm tired of this company.
If you are tired, then leave. We wont miss you to much. Oh and i guess you had no responce to the Euro market DD, so you just changed the subject. Smooth move, i am sure no-one caught on to that little move. COBRA
Posted by Upside on :
If you two are meeting for lunch, I want to know where. I wouldn't miss that for the world!
Posted by cobracobra on :
what are you implying? I want to meet the man behind his own mind's legend.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Take the camcorder UP. Can get your CMKX losses back on sale of copies.
Posted by Ric on :
lol
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Whatever....I'm tired of this company.
If you are tired, then leave. We wont miss you to much. Oh and i guess you had no responce to the Euro market DD, so you just changed the subject. Smooth move, i am sure no-one caught on to that little move. COBRA
Rave on, jerkweed. You sound like a little child.
Posted by Ric on :
CMKX Infomercial Revised by chisox pat
[ Original ] Commercial starts with an OLD man looking at his "BROKER STATEMENT".
His 30+ year old son comes in and says: Hay pop, I just bought some STOCK.
Dad, What stock?
Son, CMKX
Dad, What did you say?
Son, CMKX
PAUSE as dad puts his hand on his sons shoulder and shakes his head.
Dad, don't you know that CMKX is the most "DILLUTED STOCK in HISTORY??"
Son, yes I do, that's why I bought it.
Dad, what?
Son, well the dilution is just a trick to mask how many naked short shares have been issued. Bill Frizzell and Willy Wizzard say that there are trillions of naked short shares.
Dad: Who are Bill Frizzell and Willy Wizzard?
Son: Well Bill is a hick lawyer from Texas who has graciously agreed to create an excel spreadsheet of unaudited brokerage statements for the paultry sum of about $150,000. And Willy is a used car salesman with a history of trouble from the SEC and a penchant for picking loser stocks.
Dad shakes his head and says: What are the current financials?
Son: Well, were not sure because the CEO wisely plead the fifth at the revocation hearing...
Dad: The what??
Son: Revocation hearing, but it's all part of the plan to trap shorty.
Dad shakes his head as his SON but looks RELIEVED.
Dad: I always thought it would be harder to tell you this, you're not my real son...thank god.
Posted by Ric on :
By: ready2sayurwrongyet 28 Jul 2005, 06:06 PM EDT Msg. 1057029 of 1057141 Jump to msg. # DAMN URBIE, A PROBLEM IN ITALY? YOU MUST HAVE BEEN REALLY REALLY BAD. hehehe UIC (Italian Foreign Exchange Office) was established in 1945. Legislative Decree 319 of August 26, 1998, reorganized and qualified the UIC as an instrumental entity of the Bank of Italy. The Head Office of the UIC is in Rome and has a staff of about 550.
Specifically, Law 197/1991 encharges the UIC with activities for the prevention of money laundering. These involve compiling a register of financial and non-financial intermediaries that carry on activities which are exposed to possible recycling of monies; monitoring flows of funds; and controlling compliance with the law by all categories of financial intermediaries, the latter to be carried out in agreement with the competent supervisory authorities. In 1997, the UIC became the authority to which suspicious transactions are reported. The task of the UIC in this framework is to make further technical-financial analyses and to report to investigative bodies. Since December 2000, the UIC has officially become Italy's Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) for the purpose of combating money laundering."
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...great news on cim...let me know when i can get rid of that useless line in my account will ya?. i guess UC is sticking it to all those ppl that got billions of shares from him. i'm sure he would have told them CIM was an important piece of the puzzle before they sold so that they could have gotten in on the divy. even kept it from his office manager, the UC sure is sneaky.
Posted by Ric on :
In particular, the UIC performs functions connected with the reception and in-depth examination of reports of suspected operations communicated by financial intermediaries, by non-financial enterprises and, more recently, with Legislative Decree no. 56 of 2004, by regulated professions. Within this context, and based on a functional separation between financial analysis and investigative activities, the UIC has the task of elaborating on the reports, based on the financial information in its possession; the reports are then sent to the Anti-Mafia Investigation Bureau and to the Nucleo Speciale di Polizia Valutaria of the Guardia di Finanza (Special Financial Crime Unit of the Financial Police) for appropriate follow-up activities.
well i guess the cult idea the mafia was behind the cmkx collapse went out the window. i bet a bunch of dago's are breathing earier now...lol
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by cobracobra:
quote:what are you implying? I want to meet the man behind his own mind's legend.
Implying? I wasn't implying anything. It's just that the two of you getting together has a lot of potential for a real "When Worlds Collide" moment and I want to be there for any potential fireworks. And Legals idea of the camcorder is a great one, many people would pay to see it, unless of course you guys were actually nice to one another. In that case we'll just have to stage something.
Posted by Ric on :
Stocklien out of office the rest of the week. And Urbie nor Stocklien's office will return his call. Still reading, looks like frizzy is very upset.
Posted by Upside on :
Looks like Frizzy is coming around to our way of thinking! I still detect a little Kool-Aid coarsing through his veins but he appears to be weaning himself off of it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Snake,
Well, since you are so cheap with money and so liberal with words, I will let you go dutch. However, you will have to tell me about where you live so I can arrange a meeting place to bring my burlap bag. LOL PM me.
I am, however, very confused about the following:
"Make sure its someplace that serves descent food,,, I dont do burgers."
I am pretty good at genealogy, but do not know whether you want me to bring one of the cow's "descendants" or if you want me to bring cucumber cuttings. If it's the cow, I might be able to bring you a bit of cowsh:t! I could bring you the whole cucumber to suck on though. Just think of it as a nice big, juicy lollypop. LOL
Posted by Ric on :
SEC lawyer cautioned Frizzle about selective discremination of information (private e-mails) telling others not to post on boards.
Posted by Ric on :
He is threating to take control receivership of the company if they continue to refuse information. Frizell has already contacted a Nevada lawyer if this is necessary. Kewl, about time.
Posted by Ric on :
Nevada Minerals issued this statement:
With the acquisition of the American Mine Shaft complete, and with the rapid construction upgrades to the shaft entering the next phase, Nevada Minerals is very well postioned to delivery strong investment return in 2005"
So Nevada mines took over CMKX's Ecuador mines?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
The part I like about Frizzy's letter is Sect.78.650 of the Nevada Revised Statutes which allows the Court to appoint a receiver for CMKX.
Another is that Maheu seems to have taken no discernable action.
I am beginning to respect Frizzy more and more after seeing that letter. Like me, he does not mince words and says it like it is. Surprised the devil out of me!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
This thing looks like it could be the beginning of a class action suit against CMKX, UC and cohorts. It's about time, but the shareholders won't see much of the court rewards.
PS: Wonder if Frizzy is going to get any more co-operation out of Stoecklein or UC now.
Posted by will on :
BINGO ! You got it right on the head.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: This thing looks like it could be the beginning of a class action suit against CMKX, UC and cohorts. It's about time, but the shareholders won't see much of the court rewards.
PS: Wonder if Frizzy is going to get any more co-operation out of Stoecklein or UC now.
Posted by will on :
legal, go get me Dr. D's reaction to this. I'm anxious to see it. You can throw in Willy's and Sterling's too. They should be spewing green bile within 24 hours.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Up,
Don't you think I should ask Will to come along too? I cannot begin to match his eloquence. I am sure snake would enjoy meeting him too. At the very least, will could get cobra to rise up and hiss a bit.
Posted by Ric on :
The koolaid board is going crazy and wanting to fire frizzell. How funny, it gets worse and they still want to believe in UC. What idiots. I sorry but there is no easier word for them.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"You got it right on the head."
Watch how you speak to me, BOY!!!
Posted by will on :
I'd be honored to be there, Wallace. Please don't ask me why, I'm on my best behavior. I know a nice little Italian place on Taylor Street in Chicago. Good goat cheese raviolis with a basil, garlic, sun dried tomatoe sauce.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ric,
As far as I know "idiots" have some brain capacity. Those people have none at all!
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:I'm on my best behavior.
Which, as I've said before, is still abhorrent to most people.
Posted by cobracobra on :
will, if i were in chhicago i would take you up on that. However i know some good spots in trenton with outstanding food. Mom and Pop shops rule. I got a really good bodega near me, if you can avoid the Crack heads and H-Fiends you get the best pork and rice anywhere. anyhow back to being combatants,,,,,,,Basher COBRA
Posted by Upside on :
An uneasy truce develops.....
Posted by cobracobra on :
screw firing frizz, i actually think this is Good. it will force some hands. Either confirm that we are going to rocket soon, or confirm the other side of the coin so we can work together to get our loot back. Personally i think we will file and move forward. but if not 50,000 shareholder really pizzed off is never good for a guy who wants to go to races all the time. You know some idiot will go Apesh!t and do something dumb. No it wnt be me. Cobra
Posted by Ric on :
CMKX shareholders meeting, lol.
Posted by cobracobra on :
no truce, but even in the cival war they stopped to eat, many times both sides shared a meal together, then went back to their respective sides and shot at each other. weird huh.
Posted by Upside on :
Well if that's all it's going to be, two combatants sharing a non-hostile meal together, forget it, no reason for me to attend.
Nice picture Ric! LOL!
Posted by will on :
I think you might want to add Mr. Friz-ZELL to your list of bashers. Seems he can read. I'm sure those documents went a long way to convince him Urban just might not have the shareholder's interest at heart. Now he didn't say that Urban doesn't have your interest at heart, but he sure inferred it, and demanded financial information to find out. Plus preparing to take action with this little gem : "letter is Sect.78.650 of the Nevada Revised Statutes which allows the Court to appoint a receiver for CMKX." My my, freeze those assets, too bad they all have been pissed in the street by your drunken sailor management. That dilapidated drill rig and the duck tape might still be there. They could probably get $5,000 for it. Divide that by ??? 300B /500B / 700B ? You pick the number as long as it equal to or greater than the number of shares claimed to be owned by the O/G.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"You know some idiot will go Apesh!t and do something dumb. No it wnt be me." --------------------
I sure as hell hope not. It would not be worth it.
Posted by cobracobra on :
this isnt the cival war................LOL Beside Wally World couldn't even get to a few of the places around here. No handicapped entrance for his walker.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
You better be careful Cobra. I just might be able to kick your basket out from under you so you have to crawl around on your belly again!
Posted by cobracobra on :
Its a milk crate thank you........
Posted by Upside on :
Screw this, let's start our own owners or ex-owners group. 500 bucks to join. We'll round up 5000 of the meanest, rottenest, CMKX hating pricks we can find and hire some real muscle. We'll get Johnny Cochran, oh wait a minute, he's dead, well anyway, we'll find some big buck attorney and have this whole shebang wrapped up in a week.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: Its a milk crate thank you........
Never heard of anyone putting a Cobra in a milk crate! Only woven baskets. LOL
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Screw this, \///. We'll round up 5000 of the meanest, rottenest, CMKX hating pricks we can find .
Its already been done. its called Allstocks
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: Its a milk crate thank you........
Never heard of anyone putting a Cobra in a milk crate! Only woven baskets. LOL
It is not what i am IN,,, its what i am sitting ON. LOL........... just cleaned my couches, still wet
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Screw this, \///. We'll round up 5000 of the meanest, rottenest, CMKX hating pricks we can find .
Its already been done. its called Allstocks
Gee, according to legal, it's only about 7 people.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by cobracobra:
quote:Its already been done. its called Allstocks
Yep, this is where it kicks off, there's only 4 or 5 of us though, that's not gonna cut it. You in?
Posted by Upside on :
Just send your money to Will and me, we'll take care of everything. Cash only, small bills.
Posted by cobracobra on :
If i lose my money i will be the muscle, if not i will be to busy enjoying life to worry about it. I dont take to well to my cash being stolen. I am glad it isn't going to happen.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, Up, you creep! I want my cut too!!!
Posted by cobracobra on :
if i am to be the muscle, i better get a discount
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: If i lose my money i will be the muscle, if not i will be to busy enjoying life to worry about it. I dont take to well to my cash being stolen. I am glad it isn't going to happen.
LOL You'd have to catch up to that turkey first. That's providing he's not in jail already.
PS: Better work out some more and bring those muscles to 110%.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Hey, Up, you creep! I want my cut too!!!
You're part of the core group, not to worry. You'll be one of our "Casavants".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Wallace:
quote:Hey, Up, you creep! I want my cut too!!!
You're part of the core group, not to worry. You'll be one of our "Casavants".
I thought I was supposed to be head of this "Merry Band of Whatever"! And you want to demote me to being "part of the core group"? Get real or I will ask will to speak with....no, to you.
Posted by Ric on :
By: james_worley 28 Jul 2005, 09:54 PM EDT Msg. 1057397 of 1057414 Jump to msg. # 1 millionaire... (idea)
All of the longs (50,000 of them) can send me $25 each, and I'll have a drawing, and give one of them 1 million dollars.
How does that sound?
James
p.s. Better return than scratch-off tickets. (and my profit is only 250,000 $$) (much less than Uncle Urbie's cut)
Posted by Upside on :
My idea, I'm in charge. You can be my "Ron Casavant" and we'll demote Will to being our "Melvin". He always liked him.
Posted by Ric on :
Frizzell is just getting a taste of what the auditor have been getting. Nothing but broken promises.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LMAO!!! Will will be pleased.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Trust me i have sources on helping to catch people,,, My strength is fine. However i won t need it because we will (<- no not u Will i didnt want u to think iwas refferring to u, u seem kind of jittery and flighty) anyway we will succeed.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:LMAO!!! Will will be pleased.
Please refer to him as Melvin from now on. Where is our old buddy Mel tonight? He was here earlier, must have left.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Wallyworld--- youve got PM
Posted by Ric on :
Stockgate isn't airing on dateline Sunday. I tried to tell evryone that it wouldn't. This faulking website keeps claiming this and it never happens. I never once seen it on Datelines website. But now they have new ammo to claim a cover up.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well, let's see you turned the Euro listing into crimes committed by Urban. And you turned a letter from Frizzell into a class action law suit.
Let's start with Italy. True enough several European investigative agencies do investigate companies wishing to achieve "counterparty" status. These lists are used by European pension plans for secure investments, so they are investigated thoroughly. The problem with the bash here, is that CIM has already been investigated and passed muster. THEY ARE ON THE APPROVED LIST.
As to Frizzell, he represents a multitude of shareholders. Many want answers and want them, NOW. He did what he was paid to do by these shareholders. He made demands for information and back them up with a threat. Good for him. He's doing what we paid him to do. He did not threaten a class action.
Stoecklein represents CMKX and is managing a very comples and difficult legal play. He isn't going to respond to shareholders if it put his "play" in jeopardy. Good for him as well. Everybody is doing their job.
But, there isn't any time left for any kind of real fight between the two, before revocation and the unfolding of the "plan" publicly.
Posted by cobracobra on :
cover up nothing--- Naked shorting exists in our market. Even wallace and grommet agrees it does, and that is saying something.
Posted by Upside on :
The part I liked best about the Frizzell letter is the fact that he can't reach anyone. Here they are, a heartbeat away from revocation and everyone's gone. Stocklein on vacation, Urban missing, Andy on vacation and the SEC still has not recieved their settlement proposal. Doesn't this say something? Everyone's in hiding while the chit hits the fan!
Posted by cobracobra on :
geez legal where have u been, i ve been alone here with all of the scary bashers
Posted by Ric on :
I did not say there was no NSS cobra. I was commenting on the Falking website. They do this all the time. Put out a letter stating something is going to happen and when it doesn't THEY claim cover up.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
As per legal:
"Well, let's see you turned the Euro listing into crimes committed by Urban. And you turned a letter from Frizzell into a class action law suit."
W: Nice spin and twist, legal.
"The problem with the bash here, is that CIM has already been investigated and passed muster."
W: Bet they weren't any better than our CIA in investigating stuff.
"He did not threaten a class action."
W: That is going to be his only choice in the end anyway.
"Everybody is doing their job."
W: Exactly what do you know about what they are doing. That bit about being out of the office is a well known story.
"But, there isn't any time left for any kind of real fight between the two, before revocation and the unfolding of the "plan" publicly."
W: LMAO!! Legal, when is it ever going to get through to you? THERE IS NO PLAN!!!!!!!
Posted by imakmony2005 on :
Beating that horse,guys.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Beating that horse,guys.
Damn thing refuses to die.
Posted by legaleagle on :
W: Exactly what do you know about what they are doing. That bit about being out of the office is a well known story.
I speak to John and Bill. Any OG member can.
The bit about all of the players being out of the office was planned and told to me on July 6.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: geez legal where have u been, i ve been alone here with all of the scary bashers
Took a few hours and had a picnic with my 6 & 8 year old granddaughters and then spent a couple hours fishing. Beats the heck out being in here, listening to the rants of people who know nothing about what is about to happen, but run their mouths as if they know it all.
Posted by cobracobra on :
hey dont sya that to loud ric and will are listening............LOL. yeah i agree lots of other things to do. Thats why i dont post much. Lifes to short to spend it online. I have kids to spend it with. Did ya catch anything?
Posted by Upside on :
Now yer talking! Let's talk fishing, I could do that all day. Probably won't fight either.
Posted by cobracobra on :
prob not from me either. i love to fish,,,, freshwater though, saltwater fishing is to much work.
Posted by derek111c on :
Important in response to the last Frizzell letter. I agree, shareholders always get paid last.
By: Varok 28 Jul 2005, 09:47 PM EDT Msg. 31706 of 31710 Jump to msg. # Good evening,
The latest events on CMKX and the silence can get on your nerves,but today's letter to shareholders from Frizzell is even more disturbing.
I'm not doubting they (Frizzell)hasn't earned their worth and in a sorta of way threw a wrench in the NSS issue,but making comments towards the company isn't to the best interest of shareholders..
Sure, some of you may like his (Frizzell's) tenacity,but it spells into something you will never want.
I have stated months ago when Frizzell joined this barnburner to get on the representation of shareholders would be a prerequisite to a class action suit.It appears,that his letter to "YOU ALL" that he is stating,maybe not in these words,but he's going after the company..
Frizzell went from Phase I to II and requested monies to help in his endeavor along the way..You may just be party to something that would definitely be the demise of your investment.
You folks just may have created a snowball effect.
Right now we have silence and basically a moot investment,but if this moves forward into a class action case,you will lose everything and this issue will be done and tied up for years..It will be the legal folks that will make out in the end.
Not one of you can bring a class action suit that benefits or can even equalize your original investment from previous cases.
I was always reluctant to join Frizzell and I believe in the company and Stocklien..I am a professional trader and never and I mean never will I ever join a class action case..I have always stood alone in my investment and if I lose it,so be it..But I will be damned if I will give a lawyer a free ride on my mishaps or lousy investment choice even if the company is at fault..I just don't care at that point..You will never get back what you put in and if it is a matter for you to feel better that the company is brought to the mat,well, that is your choice.
I don't like class action cases..Just look at all the recent ones..Not one gave back to investors and the lawyers walked away with billions..
Sheeesh,look at Enron and Global Crossing and others..
Understand something..We are common shareholders and we will not get anything..It just doesn't work in our favor if this is a fraud.
Now with that said..I'm not willing to give up yet and I still haven't taken control of my certs.Now some of you that have are concerned about privacy issues..Go figure..
And with that,I still believe this to be the greatest penny play of all times.Just be cool with the rhetoric on how Frizzell should proceed..
You do not want a Class Action Suit..There will never be a shareholders settlement if this moves to a class action..
If you have concerns get out,or just hang in there,but don't wish for something that you will eventually regret.
I'm hanging around as I'm still a player in this game.
Have a good day. Varok
Posted by Upside on :
Yep, freshwater for me too. Leaving for Canada next Thursday for a 5 dayer. Gotta drive to Fort Francis, Ontario and get picked up there by a float plane and taken to God knows where. Going after Lakers, Northern and Smallmouth. Can't wait although I will miss being here, LOL.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: W: Exactly what do you know about what they are doing. That bit about being out of the office is a well known story.
I speak to John and Bill. Any OG member can.
The bit about all of the players being out of the office was planned and told to me on July 6.
Gee, if you knew Stoecklein was going to be out of the office, why didn't "Bill" know? Why didn't you tell him, since you claim to be on top of things? Come on, legal. You are slipping!
I saw your post to Cobra and won't even bother to respond to that nonsense.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I didn't fish. Too busy baiting the hook for the little ones. LOL. One caught a "striper" and a blue gill. Other one caught a blue gill. So they were very happy and so was grandpa.
Posted by legaleagle on :
W: Gee, if you knew Stoecklein was going to be out of the office, why didn't "Bill" know? Why didn't you tell him, since you claim to be on top of things? Come on, legal. You are slipping!
Wallace are you really that naive or just faking it for sympathy. Geeesh.
Posted by Ric on :
Someone should tell this person that he should read the letter before running his mouth. The letter was clear. The SEC lawyer told Frizzell he needed to watch what he tells just the OG. This could be bad for Frizzell if insider information or selective dissemination of non public information.
If Frizzell gave this to only the OG and not to all shareholders or potential shareholder he is breaking the law and could go to jail himself.
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posted on 7/28/2005 at 10:33 PM
This letter should not have been made public on the owner's group website. It should have been between attorney & attorney & UC. I sense a change in direction.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ric, you are 100% correct about providing such information to a select group and not to the public at large.
Good night all.
Posted by legaleagle on :
The letter was posted on the public OG website. Available to everyone. Sorry. No bash to be found here.
Posted by cobracobra on :
had enough for tonight,,, gotta go now. AMF
and wallywonka-- nighty night buttercup,
Posted by ACKCANE on :
What are you guys going to do after this thing is shut down? Move over to the PRRM thread?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: The letter was posted on the public OG website. Available to everyone. Sorry. No bash to be found here.
Must respond to the above before I hit the sack.
Legal, you are 100% incorrect. The OG public website is not what is meant by where a release should be made. The SEC and stock exchanges mean a full public disclosure through normal channels such as the various news agencies. To release it just on the OG site means that about 50,000 people get the message at that given time, but the general public does not get it until some time later (and in this case through word of mouth). Good night.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well, Wallace as soon as you can point to some "insider" information I will point it out to Bill. But unfortunately it wasn't insider, so NO FOUL.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Hey Shorty? Remember us? open up those vaults,were coming for our money. pay now, or pay later,$40
Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 6,151 Location: wyoming **Everyone is Gone..How about that*** « Thread Started on Today at 10:08pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no coincendance either..think about it..
CIM is ready for europe..all the companys are coming active.. desert stock transfer, active..
don stocklein, gone, cannot be reached.. urbie, cannot be reached.. andy is on vacation, cannot be reached..
the plam is coming together..all the companys will be shocking to some.
usca comes out with a new 8k, with nevada. nevada has the website now.
andy releases the news at the seattle race, the new cmkx website is coming.
for the last week and a half, we started seeing things coming active, ever wonder why?
do you want to stop the train, or get off the next station?
just get behind and try to derail the cmkx train, bashers will help you out big time, get on board with frizz and demand you want to know things, cannot wait for the aug 2nd deadline?
well i can wait, too many things pointing in the right direction.. you wanted a master plam, its been staring at you for the longest time.
looks like were are going to get our CIM finally going, and read 69z's email thread.. its been 2 years now..
how about that. and ready for europe.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Shhhhhhhhh..........listen.........can you hear it? I needed that. LOL
Posted by stockster5 on :
Note to RIC re: Real player. Dump that pos as soon as you can. RP was and still is one of the original spy-ware softs out there. It also has the lamest codecs coded. Do a search for 'Real alternatives' which is a freeware soft that uses window media player to run RP files. Go to GRC.com for a history of spy-ware from one of the first guys to address it. You may have to use a spy-ware removal program to get rid of all RP junk. Look at Lavasoft, or Spyware search and destroy. About cmkx... isn't UC in south america. Hiding?
Posted by Ric on :
Too funny
quote:Originally posted by Ric: CMKX shareholders meeting, lol.
Posted by stockster5 on :
The ONLY master plan here is in UC mind for himself...IE: How do I get my ass out of this junk company scam more or less unscathed, and do it all again elsewhere with a different name.........(since the cmkx fiasco was a learning experience on how to rip off the market in full view). Europe..?? hmmmmm My prediction is UC will use Pharmaceuticals or Oil exploration as his next venture. Look at the otcbb daily listings page (stock name changes,delistings, etc.) and you'll see hundreds of companies doing the name change game. In most cases these companies do reverse splits turning your 1 million shares into 100. Does that sound like shareholder concern. It's the one thing that has always puzzled me about cmkx, no reverse split action. GLTA S5
Posted by Ric on :
After the big deal made by the cult over the settlement proposal, the key was CMKX did not file the prejudgment waiver and the offer was not submitted. The SEC lawyer even said they sent the waiver to them and still nothing. Sounds to me the CMKX is blowing smoke up Frizzell and the shareholders butz. But really is that something new.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: After the big deal made by the cult over the settlement proposal, the key was CMKX did not file the prejudgment waiver and the offer was not submitted. The SEC lawyer even said they sent the waiver to them and still nothing. Sounds to me the CMKX is blowing smoke up Frizzell and the shareholders butz. But really is that something new.
Never is new with lawyers, Ric. But the question you have to ask is: WHY WOULD HE DO THAT?
Posted by Ric on :
I know the answer legal. And if you would take off the rose colored glasses and stop drinking the koolaid, you could see it too.
Posted by lanebro on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by cobracobra:
quote:Its already been done. its called Allstocks
Yep, this is where it kicks off, there's only 4 or 5 of us though, that's not gonna cut it. You in?
You guys are such a hoot, count me in!!! Can I get in with just 2 stars? If this weren't so laffable, I may have started weeping!
Posted by lanebro on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: geez legal where have u been, i ve been alone here with all of the scary bashers
Took a few hours and had a picnic with my 6 & 8 year old granddaughters and then spent a couple hours fishing. Beats the heck out being in here, listening to the rants of people who know nothing about what is about to happen, but run their mouths as if they know it all.
OMG/you have offspring, and you fish? Folks, how bad can this person be?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Somebody asked earlier for Dr.D's comments.
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Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,101 Location: Kentucky Remarks about Mr. Frizzell's letter « Thread Started on Today at 1:43am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please don't send me anymore emails or PM's about Mr. Frizzell's letter. This is my take on it for now. To start with there is always more going on than what meets the eye and I believe CMKX is no different. There could be private discussions to buy-in and resolve the NSS position, but we don’t know! There could be a selling of claims to raise funds to develop the remaining assets of CMKX, but we don’t know! There could be a hidden plan to break the MM’s and exterminate “Shorty” once and for all, but we don’t know! There could be an insider plan to try and take over the company to get the claims, but we don’t know! It could be that some are trying to cause the company to fail so Urban will lose the claims and he is trying to protect all of us by his current actions, but we don’t know! It could be any of an infinite number of things, but the simple thing that we do know is that we don’t know.
I don’t claim to completely understand Mr. Frizzell’s position, but if you can recall I posted a similar thread a few days back that it was time for info. Why did I post it? Because I had heard from hundreds of investors that were scared, most were either selling or on the verge of selling and just wanted to hear the company say something about our situation and simply show some common courtesies. Where are we? What are we doing about it? Do we have a future whether we are revoked or not revoked? Bear in mind that we are a fully reporting publicly traded company regardless if we are on the Pinks or the OTCBB.
I personally do not see a revocation as destroying or even slowing down CMKX and its potential as the options available for success are plenty, present and practical, but this lack of any informative communication from the company in these delicate times could be devastating to the CMKX shareholder base, IMHO. It is uncalled for and should be remedied immediately!
It is time for info of some degree to come forward and it appears that no one is being listened to. We are hopefully all in this for the welfare of CMKX because that is where our investment is. Whether CMKX sinks or swims is in the hands of a “select few” and the “select few” have an obligation to share certain information. No one wants them to reveal anything that might jeopardize the success of the company as that would work against all of us. IMHO, Mr. Frizzell is not a risk to the company or the shareholders. He obligated himself legally as he signed a nondisclosure with the company to go along with his already exceptional personal integrity. Mr. Frizzell is fully aware of the penalties he would incur if he leaked vital information that had been shared with him. He would be liable, he would be jeopardizing his career, he would be injuring his clients’ investments, as well as his personal investment. On top of all of that we know that the SEC has been monitoring his communications and advising him to play his cards close to the table. Is the company saying Frizzell is a security risk? I don’t think so, but many questions still remain that could very easily be answered that should already be public knowledge.
For example: Is the company confident that it can be compliant within the time frame proposed in the Settlement Proposal? What is the company’s response seeing the initial decision by the judge was to revoke?
A simple, “Yes we believe we can file the expected reports within the proposed time frame of the settlement and we intend to file an appeal while the Settlement proposal is being reviewed simply to protect all of the shareholders interest.”
This would not jeopardize any hidden plan or interrupt any current developments in the works for the company. This is only good business practice and expected company/shareholder communications, IMHO!
Moving right along, I believe too much is being read into the letter sent by Mr. Frizzell/the Owners Group. It is not an all out assault against the company by any means. The gloves have not come off nor been thrown down. It is very similar to the U.S. being an influential force across the globe. The U.S. has the technology, equipment, finances, military power, etc… to reach out and respond to any threats on its interests and/or citizens any where in the world. If someone is threatening to do harm or taking steps that could do harm to U.S. interests or citizens any where in the world, we let them know very quickly that we have the backbone, the means, the military power, the financial backing, and the people’s support to take necessary steps to intervene if left with no other choices. The presence of these tools at the disposal of the U.S. government makes them a force to be reckoned with world wide. They very rarely are forced to use them, because they have them and others know they will use them if need be.
I see Frizzell working very similarly by stepping up the pressure to protect CMKX shareholder interests and making known what tools are at his disposal if these threatening and harmful circumstances, that can be averted, are not dealt with in a timely manner. In this letter I see that Frizzell relayed vital information to the company and to Stoecklein pertaining to options that are and have been available for some time, but they have not been pressed upon even though the existing shareholder rights, by law, give them the power and the authority they need to look inside and get answers. The rights, rules, and regulations are very real and that is the force behind the communications from Frizzell. No one wants to utilize these tools, but they are there if the playing field isn’t leveled for those that have a right to be included in ongoing operational information.
I know Mr. Frizzell and I know Mr. Martin and in my absolutely humble and honest opinion I do not believe for a second that either one of them have any intention of jeopardizing the opportunity that is potentially in play for CMKX and its shareholders. We see 10’s and hundreds of investors around the boards daily and communicate with some of them, but Frizzell hears from and is accountable to thousands of shareholders. I believe we are seeing a pressure pleading from Frizzell for help from the company to allow him to do his job and represent the interests of his clients without infringing upon the ongoing operations of the company. The powerful language is there to help convene to the company the severity of the communication gap and the urgency that needs to be taken to restore and cooperate in a “reasonable and acceptable manner”.
When we are hearing about possible claims being transferred to Shore Gold, United Carina, Aztec, Nevada Minerals, etc… with no PR’s, no 8k’s, etc… We have a fast approaching deadline to file an appeal or have the registration revoked and still no word from the company… Incredible shareholder data through the FOIA from the SEC with no explanations or interpretations… Also it has been reported that CIM is corresponding with the European sector…
I believe reasonable and acceptable communication needs to be in place. JMHO. I do not and would not support a class action lawsuit against the company at this time and think that anyone that is suggesting that is the Owners Group plan from Mr. Frizzell’s letter is reading way too much into it. JMHO.
We have agreed with the company’s decision to file/become compliant, develop assets, overhaul the internal operational team of the company, set up a new board of directors, and hire professional officers to secure the company now and for the future as they stated 6 months ago. 6 months into the decision to do these things and we have not been made aware of any significant action on any of the above, but we had been suspended in trading, had an administrative hearing, received an initial decision by a judge to revoke our registration, heard of our claims now being operated by Shore Gold, United Carina, Aztec Mining, and Nevada Minerals not to mention reported transfer of ownership of some of these from CMKX, and staring in the face a possible final decision to revoke within the next few business days without an official word coming from the company.
As I stated earlier, “I personally do not see a revocation as destroying or even slowing down CMKX and its potential as the options available for success are plenty, present and practical, but this lack of any informative communication from the company in these delicate times could be devastating to the CMKX shareholder base, IMHO. It is uncalled for and should be remedied immediately!
No offense is intended towards Mr. Casavant, Mr. Maheu, Mr. Stoecklein, or anyone else and none should be inferred by any nonexistent implications. I am not interested in the least of seeing any heads role, anyone of our team go to jail, or any kind of a law suit as this would not be good for anyone involved. I believe a shareholder lawsuit against the company would make all of us losers at this stage of the game. There are things that can be done to improve our current situation with the shareholders and I am in favor of minimal disclosure with up to date information on vital company decisions that are affecting all of us until current regulatory issues are resolved.
Success is at hand! Believe it or not!
These are just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
Dr.D
Posted by lanebro on :
I really hate to be a repetative poster, but I think I just figured out something... CIM has been touted (here) to be the newest entry into the world of drag racing, ie: Arend's new sponsor... thinking back, I have not really seen UC at the track lately, but Ron is there 24/7. Hmmm, guess UC is going to take very good care of his baby brother, and who could deny him. LOL. So I guess I can expect Ron will continue making puppy dog eyes at my girlfriend, for a while anyway. She digs him. ROTFLMAO
Posted by ed19363 on :
Good morning....more good news today. We've lost another accountant. Looking for a new one again, any volunteers?
Posted by will on :
Item 4.01 Changes in Registrant's Certifying Accountant (a) On July 22, 2005, the Registrant terminated the engagement of Beckstead and Watts, LLP, as the Registrant's independent accountants.
Beckstead and Watts, LLP did not perform an audit of the Registrant's financial statements nor perform any significant audit related functions from the time they were engaged (July 11, 2005) through the date of the termination of their engagement (July 22, 2005).
This is a change in accountants recommended by the Registrant's Executive Management and approved by the Registrant's Board of Directors.
There were no disagreements between the Registrant and Beckstead and Watts, LLP on any matter of accounting principles or practices, or financial statement disclosure, or audit scope or procedure. However, the Registrant received a draft letter from Beckstead and Watts, LLP outlining items having to do with Beckstead and Watts, LLP's ongoing audit procedures. The Registrant attempted to meet with Beckstead and Watts, LLP to discuss its ongoing audit needs and the items mentioned in the draft letter, but Beckstead and Watts, LLP refused to meet with the Registrant. The Registrant's securities counsel issued a letter to Beckstead and Watts, LLP addressing all items raised by Beckstead and Watts, LLP's draft letter, a copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit 99.
The Registrant is seeking a new independent accountant.
A copy of this Current Report has been provided to Beckstead and Watts, LLP for their approval and the Registrant has requested a letter from them regarding the contents of this Current Report. However, as of the date of this report, the Registrant has not received a letter from Beckstead and Watts, LLP When, and if, the Registrant receives a letter from Beckstead and Watts, LLP this Current Report will be amended to include the letter as an exhibit.
Item 9.01 Exhibits
(c) Exhibit.
Exhibit Number Exhibit Title of Description 99 Letter from Stoecklein Law Group to Beckstead and Watts, LLP dated July 28, 2005.
Posted by Upside on :
This really is a three ring circus. Next Tuesday is going to be a sad day when the revocation becomes final. We might have another couple weeks of rumors flying around but that'll be it. I'm predicting by the end of August it'll all pretty much be a memory. That's when the Betty Ford clinic will start filling up with thousands of strung out Kool-Aid junkies trying to get back to reality.
Posted by will on :
I'd like to see the auditors draft letter with the reckless accusations. Bet that's something to read.
Posted by Upside on :
Think it might say something about CMKX's lack of records? One old Lucky Charms box stuffed with cancelled checks. "Here's our records, get us ready for filing please".
Posted by legaleagle on :
As usual, the bashers "read out" of the letter what they want to hear.
Posted by Upside on :
Yep, gotta do what we do best!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Our firm acknowledges receipt of your letter dated July 26, 2005 wherein you have refused to return funds belonging to CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (“CMKM”) based upon your apparent misunderstanding of the word termination. Your firm was properly terminated as CMKM's independent accountants effective July 22, 2005, only eleven days following your engagement and receipt of an additional $75,000. Contrary to your belief, you are not entitled to retain funds not earned by your firm after July 22, 2005.
Prior to your termination, at the request of the CMKM Board of Directors, we requested your presence in the offices of Securities Law Institute for a meeting to discuss your concerns and converse about CMKM's ongoing audit needs, to our dismay you denied our request, effectively refusing to provide the services your firm was engaged to perform on behalf of CMKM. The primary purpose of this meeting was to discuss your unfounded and premature “draft” letter dated July 20, 2005. This letter raised serious concerns with CMKM's Board of Directors as to your professional competence and ulterior motives for issuing a “draft” 10A letter outside the scope and procedures mandated by Section 10A of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the “34 Act”).
As CMKM's independent accountant you were required to have “procedures designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts that would have a direct and material effect on the determination of financial statement amounts.”1 It is unclear what procedures you could have possibly designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts when in your own letter you made references to; CMKM books and records being unauditable because they are incomplete, the banking records [are] inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter, and
you were unable to quantify the amounts involved because you had not been provided sufficient information to do so.
Due to the Board's concerns and your apparent unwillingness to perform services for which you were retained or meet with your client, the Board determined it to be in the best interest of CMKM to terminate your engagement as its independent certifying accountant. Your firm's desire to engage outside counsel due to your inability to fully comprehend the depth of the requirements necessary for drafting a 10A letter is outside the scope of your engagement and CMKM should not be made to suffer these costs. Therefore, we are hereby demanding you remit to our firm, on behalf of CMKM, any unbilled portion of your retainer immediately.
On or about June 22, 2005, almost one full month prior to your engagement, CMKM paid your firm a non-refundable due diligence fee of $25,000. CMKM understood your due diligence period to be for the sole purpose of allowing unfettered access to all currently available financial and corporate information pertaining to the activities of CMKM thereby allowing your firm a sound basis for either accepting or declining the audit engagement.
Following the payment of the non-refundable $25,000 fee, CMKM and its associated professionals cooperated with you fully. You were encouraged to engage a geologist of your choice to travel with you to Canada to witness CMKM's ongoing drilling program and meet with CMKM's professionals handling the Canadian operations. In addition, several offers were made to you to take a trip to Ecuador, again with any professionals you deemed necessary, to observe a gold pour at the Yellow River facility where ore from the American Shaft was being processed. Further, during your due diligence period you were made completely aware of the current lack of complete books and records and the ongoing processes CMKM was undertaking to compile the required information necessary for you to design your audit procedures as well as address all areas of concern. You assured CMKM of your willingness to work through the process and allow management adequate time for gathering significant information outside of its current control.
As part of your due diligence procedures, you issued “CMKM Mining, Inc.” a thirteen item list detailing information you deemed crucial to your decision of whether or not to establish an auditor-client relationship. Over the ensuing few weeks, you were provided full access to all of CMKM's currently available corporate and financial records in an attempt to satisfy the requirements on your list. Further, management and CMKM's other professionals worked with you to comply with your requests for items on the list. However, despite everyone's best efforts less than 25% of the items on the list were ever satisfied.
In addition, during your due diligence period you discussed with our office the contents of a call you had with an employee of a regulatory agency, wherein you were told by her it was not in your best interest to engage CMKM as an audit client.
Despite CMKM's inability to provide you with all of the requested items, on July 11, 2005, your firm chose to engage CMKM as an audit client and demanded a retainer of $100,000, of which $75,000 was paid, towards an estimated total audit fee of $350,000. The Board engaged your firm in good faith and fairly presented to you the current status of CMKM's books, records and other documentation prior to your engagement, as was confirmed to you during your due
diligence period. Nonetheless, after accepting $100,000 and almost a month of due diligence, in just seven business days your firm recklessly rushed to conclusions not previously drawn during your due diligence period regardless of the fact no new information surfaced pertaining to CMKM. Further, all documents available at the time of your termination were also available during your due diligence period.
You have informed us of subsequent calls you had with the government employee following your engagement as CMKM's auditor, after which you informed us of her request to assist in locating individuals that may have been previously associated with CMKM. In a follow-up conversation with our office, you informed us that assisting the government with an investigation “may impair your independence.” Subsequent to these additional calls with the government employee, your demeanor towards CMKM totally changed, as evidenced by your blatant refusal to meet with your client following issuance of your draft letter. It's not apparent the extent of the conversations you had with this government employee, but from your subsequent actions it appears you no longer desired to be CMKM's independent auditor. However, under the terms of your engagement, it is CMKM's opinion you had to create cause in order to terminate the engagement and keep all funds remaining under your retainer.
On July 20, 2005, without any discussion or attempt by your firm to contact CMKM or its management, our firm received a draft letter from your office purportedly addressed to the CMKM Board. However, this draft letter contained numerous and grave errors. Most notably, you knowingly addressed the letter to a non-board member (Mr. Michael Williams), which if delivered may have been a violation of Section 10 of the 34 Act.
CMKM is prepared to respond and clarify your gross misunderstanding as to the items outlined in your premature “draft” letter on a point-by-point basis, understanding CMKM filed a Form 15 on July 22, 2003 thereby suspending its reporting obligations under the 34 Act, until the filing of an amended Form 15 on February 17, 2005:
First, you questioned the economic substance of a transaction between CMKM and US Canadian Minerals (“UCAD”), a company CMKM has business dealings with and with which your firm was previously the independent accountant, whereby Urban Casavant and his family “advanced” UCAD approximately $15 million. You had the opportunity to verbally question Mr. Casavant on this subject and during this process you were informed Mr. Casavant made an investment into UCAD, not advances. Mr. Casavant's personal investments are well outside the scope of CMKM's audit. You were entirely informed of CMKM's intentions to fully disclose any and all related party transactions, when identified, in its financial statements and the notes thereto, when completed. Regardless of Mr. Casavant's forthright cooperation and honest answers to your questions pertaining to his personal investments, you felt it imperative to make unfounded speculations as to the origins of the funds, even though in your own words “it's not apparent how the Casavants obtained the $15 Million”.
Second, you raised an issue as to the relationship between CMKXtreme, Inc. and CMKM and “whether the use of the funds [$4 million for ‘promotion and advertising'] truly advanced the best interest of CMKM.” We are unaware of any expertise your firm has in
the promotion and advertising industries, however, numerous public companies pay millions of dollars per year to sponsor racing and other professional sports teams. Additionally, it is unclear to us what authority you have as an independent accountant to make judgments upon business decisions made by CMKM management without jeopardizing your independence. CMKM's sponsorship of the CMKXtreme racing team has garnered tremendous publicity and has been greatly appreciated by its stockholders. As the sole officer and director of CMKM at the time of the payments, Mr. Casavant, irregardless of his ownership position in CMKXtreme, had full authority to expend corporate funds to promote and advertise CMKM.
Third, assuming CMKM's reporting status was suspended immediately upon filing the original Form 15 on July 22, 2003, loans made to officers and directors, if any, from July 22, 2003 through February 17, 2005 could not be in violation of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, as CMKM would not be considered an Issuer, therefore it would not be subject to the provisions of Sarbanes-Oxley. It was fully understood by you CMKM would address any possible reporting deficiencies and, disclosure obligations related to those deficiencies, if any, would be made once final determinations were made. You openly admit CMKM's books and records are incomplete, which you knew before your engagement, but still felt it relevant to prematurely make unsubstantiated assumptions as to a potential violation.
Fourth, since its initial meetings in June pertaining to the audit of CMKM and throughout your due diligence period, CMKM was entirely upfront and honest in disclosing to your firm not all documents required to commence an audit were in the possession of current management and CMKM was using its best efforts to obtain records from prior management. The Board was forthcoming in stating it was currently unable to provide enough information to your firm for the purpose of performing general audit procedures. Even with this upfront and honest disclosure, you chose to, within only 7 business days, chastise CMKM for the current state of their books and records knowing full well this information was fully disclosed to you prior to you choosing to accept an additional $75,000 and engage as CMKM's auditor.
Lastly, because of CMKM's belief it did not have to file periodic reports from July 22, 2003 through February 17, 2005, your concern over the disclosure of related party transactions is unfounded. Further, Urban Casavant, as the sole officer and director of CMKM, had complete authority to enter into transactions on behalf of CMKM, whether these transactions were with related parties or not. In addition, it has always been CMKM's intentions to fully and completely disclose all related party and other relevant transactions as part of its audited financial statements when they are completed, as was discussed with you on several occasions.
In closing, your actions in holding CMKM's funds hostage and the potential defamatory and baseless statements contained in your “draft” letter are truly disappointing. You were made fully aware of CMKM's current status prior to your engagement, however, you chose to engage them, take an additional $75,000 and then within only days, without any attempt to talk with management or any of the other professionals engaged by CMKM, write a letter which contained
completely baseless claims. Attempting to create cause was the only way for you to end your engagement with CMKM, which would coincidently entitle you to keep any remaining funds you had on retainer. You have recklessly attempted to create cause by failing to comply with the requirements of 10A, refusing to meet with management and/or the Board and continuing with your incessant desire to force public disclosure of your draft letter. Your actions have forced CMKM to expend significant additional time and resources into responding to these issues, thus diverting precious resources from its major goals of increasing stockholder value and regaining its reporting status.
Regards,
/s/ Stoecklein Law Group
Stoecklein Law Group
cc: Urban Casavant
Robert A. Maheu
Posted by Upside on :
I see a copy of this was sent to Maheu but isn't it interesting in the letter that Stoecklein refers to Urban as the sole officer and director?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Here are some of those conflicts of interest of which I spoke and that legal(noahltl) claimed did not exist:
Third, assuming CMKM's reporting status was suspended immediately upon filing the original Form 15 on July 22, 2003, loans made to officers and directors, if any, from July 22, 2003 through February 17, 2005 could not be in violation of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, as CMKM would not be considered an Issuer, therefore it would not be subject to the provisions of Sarbanes-Oxley. It was fully understood by you CMKM would address any possible reporting deficiencies and, disclosure obligations related to those deficiencies, if any, would be made once final determinations were made. You openly admit CMKM's books and records are incomplete, which you knew before your engagement, but still felt it relevant to prematurely make unsubstantiated assumptions as to a potential violation.
Lastly, because of CMKM's belief it did not have to file periodic reports from July 22, 2003 through February 17, 2005, your concern over the disclosure of related party transactions is unfounded. Further, Urban Casavant, as the sole officer and director of CMKM, had complete authority to enter into transactions on behalf of CMKM, whether these transactions were with related parties or not. In addition, it has always been CMKM's intentions to fully and completely disclose all related party and other relevant transactions as part of its audited financial statements when they are completed, as was discussed with you on several occasions.
Posted by ed19363 on :
And as usual, it's all THEIR fault. At what point in time does ANYTHING become the fault of the company. This is laughable, if only it weren't so sad.
Posted by will on :
....and you interpret this as good thing? A part of the Master Plan? Difficult to make this look or sound like a positive.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: As usual, the bashers "read out" of the letter what they want to hear.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: I see a copy of this was sent to Maheu but isn't it interesting in the letter that Stoecklein refers to Urban as the sole officer and director?
Up, recheck the time period referenced. July 2003 to Feb 2005
Posted by legaleagle on :
Please enlighten us on those conflicts of interest that you see, Wallace.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Up, recheck the time period referenced. July 2003 to Feb 2005
Damn! Legal - 1, Upside - 0
Posted by ed19363 on :
The company wants all accountants to quit, so they can claim that they cant find one. Then, they will be revoked, and CMining will come back as a brand new company. And all the shareholders will not lose a penny. As a matter of fact, they will all be millionaires, if not BILLIONaires. Everything is going according to plam. It will happen SOON, it's getting CLOSER. Can you hear it?
Aww, mom, why did you wake me? I was having such a wonderful dream.
Posted by Ric on :
So the investment with UCAD was personal and not a part of CMKX. So what other claims made are "personal" so investors will not get anything and UC gets it all? Were does a ex guard get 15 million dollar to invest in UCAD? How is it that UC has 15 million for personal investments, a 2 million dollar home, a Hummer, yet CMKX is 36 million in debt and can't pay its bills? Amway was very good to UC it seems.
So it cost 4 million dollars for UC's racing hobby. How many rednecks did he sell shares too doing this?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: The company wants all accountants to quit, so they can claim that they cant find one. Then, they will be revoked, and CMining will come back as a brand new company. And all the shareholders will not lose a penny. As a matter of fact, they will all be millionaires, if not BILLIONaires. Everything is going according to plam. It will happen SOON, it's getting CLOSER. Can you hear it?
Aww, mom, why did you wake me? I was having such a wonderful dream.
ed, how does CMKX find an auditor when government regulatory agents (read Hakala) are discouraging them from taking on the matter?
"In addition, during your due diligence period you discussed with our office the contents of a call you had with an employee of a regulatory agency, wherein you were told by her it was not in your best interest to engage CMKM as an audit client."
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: So the investment with UCAD was personal and not a part of CMKX. So what other claims made are "personal" so investors will not get anything and UC gets it all? Were does a ex guard get 15 million dollar to invest in UCAD? How is it that UC has 15 million for personal investments, a 2 million dollar home, a Hummer, yet CMKX is 36 million in debt and can't pay its bills? Amway was very good to UC it seems.
So it cost 4 million dollars for UC's racing hobby. How many rednecks did he sell shares too doing this?
Ric, the initial investment in UCAD preceeded the stock transfer agreement, and it was public. That is why I have always maintained that we owned UCAD/USCA.
Posted by Ric on :
Right legal, without any knowledge of truth on the matter. You are telling us the SEC is illegally forcing accountants to drop CMKX. Geeze the koolaid you drink must be concentrate.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Up, recheck the time period referenced. July 2003 to Feb 2005
Damn! Legal - 1, Upside - 0
Didn't know we were keeping score. But if we are, mine is much higher than "1". LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh, gee, maybe we should arrest Hakala?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Legal, you are either a genius, or a complete idiot. Guess we will have to wait a while to find out which.
Posted by Ric on :
I think the answer to the accountants letter said it all. She thinks UC embezzled money and dealings were illegal and they wanted know part of CMKX like a lot of people from the hearing.
Posted by will on :
"Lastly, because of CMKM's belief it did not have to file periodic reports from July 22, 2003 through February 17, 2005, your concern over the disclosure of related party transactions is unfounded. Further, Urban Casavant, as the sole officer and director of CMKM, had complete authority to enter into transactions on behalf of CMKM, whether these transactions were with related parties or not. In addition, it has always been CMKM's intentions to fully and completely disclose all related party and other relevant transactions as part of its audited financial statements when they are completed, as was discussed with you on several occasions."
This is what they are hanging their hopes on. The first sentence : "Lastly, because of CMKM's belief it did not have to file periodic reports from July 22, 2003 through February 17, 2005, your concern over the disclosure of related party transactions is unfounded." Beliefs does not constitute legal reality. If this were true then anyone could say they believed they were acting properly at a time a crime was committed and therfore should be excused from legal consequences. Doesn't work. I think the Judge already explained that to them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Right legal, without any knowledge of truth on the matter. You are telling us the SEC is illegally forcing accountants to drop CMKX. Geeze the koolaid you drink must be concentrate.
I believe Stoecklein told you. That's why I quoted him.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Oh, gee, maybe we should arrest Hakala?
No ed, she is following the "script" to a tee. Please, all understand, the curtain is now coming up and the "actors" are in costumes.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: I think the answer to the accountants letter said it all. She thinks UC embezzled money and dealings were illegal and they wanted know part of CMKX like a lot of people from the hearing.
Link to the embezzlement accusations? I thought it was failure to file.
Posted by Ric on :
Each audit required pursuant to this title of the financial statements of an issuer by a registered public accounting firm shall include, in accordance with generally accepted auditing standards, as may be modified or supplemented from time to time by the Commission--
1. procedures designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts that would have a direct and material effect on the determination of financial statement amounts;
2. procedures designed to identify related party transactions that are material to the financial statements or otherwise require disclosure therein; and
3. an evaluation of whether there is substantial doubt about the ability of the issuer to continue as a going concern during the ensuing fiscal year.
Posted by Ric on :
She was questioning were UC came up with $15 million dollars. and I think it was a good question. The whole paragraph lead up to it. She had concerns were the money came from. Now Legal, if you took off those glasses you can see where she was gong with it. I think UC is in a lot of trouble very soon.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Legal, you are either a genius, or a complete idiot. Guess we will have to wait a while to find out which.
Don't ask my wife, please.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: She was questioning were UC came up with $15 million dollars. and I think it was a good question. The whole paragraph lead up to it. She had concerns were the money came from. Now Legal, if you took off those glasses you can see where she was gong with it. I think UC is in a lot of trouble very soon.
And Stoecklein answered the question succinctly: "UC's personal financial investments is not the business of the auditor.
"Mr. Casavant's personal investments are well outside the scope of CMKM's audit."
Posted by Ric on :
After reading section 10a, I now understand the statement below.
"In addition, during your due diligence period you discussed with our office the contents of a call you had with an employee of a regulatory agency, wherein you were told by her it was not in your best interest to engage CMKM as an audit client."
Posted by Ric on :
Stoecklein isn't and account either. If the auditor felt like it was and important piece of information, like UC taking company funds for personal reasons then she does have a right to ask the question. And if you read the accountant made out a letter 10A which is bad Legal. She did it for a reason and I would love to see this letter. But Stoecklein's answers to some of the questions gives us some insight in it knowing what a 10a letter is.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Ric: She was questioning were UC came up with $15 million dollars. and I think it was a good question. The whole paragraph lead up to it. She had concerns were the money came from. Now Legal, if you took off those glasses you can see where she was gong with it. I think UC is in a lot of trouble very soon.
And Stoecklein answered the question succinctly: "UC's personal financial investments is not the business of the auditor.
"Mr. Casavant's personal investments are well outside the scope of CMKM's audit."
Posted by Ric on :
How does the Accountant know about a personal $15 million dollar deal with UCAD unless there was some type of mention of it in company documents and somewhere there was a $15 million dollar entry in the books?????
Posted by Ric on :
Isn't it also funny how Stoecklein is out of the office when Frizzy calls all week but he can out out this 8-K.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:the curtain is now coming up and the "actors" are in costumes.
Correction, the curtain came up a long time ago and we've all witnessed one of the best comedies ever. Unfortunately, all things must pass and the final performance will be August 4, 2005.
Posted by will on :
August 4? Thought revocation was final August 2?
Posted by Upside on :
You're right Will, I was looking at my July calender instead of August. My mistake.
Posted by will on :
We don't want to drag this out any further, do we? LOL It seems forever already. You do know revocation is not the end of a CMKX or CIM thread. You have already been primed for that with their wild fantasies about revocation being part of the plan. Matter of fact, isn't that how this started, with the actors in clown costumes and the curtain going up. The play really starts August 2.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok this really sucks...i miss all the fun & have to spend all the free time i have to catch up...close to 1 yr of bashing & now when all the proof is pouring out i'm on 15 hr days & nights at that....lol
"You have informed us of subsequent calls you had with the government employee following your engagement as CMKM's auditor, after which you informed us of her request to assist in locating individuals that may have been previously associated with CMKM."
i'd say hakala has another legal matter coming with cmkx. its called sending UC to jail. i'd also say it means some ppl connected with cmkx have left the country. if the SEC wants to find someone a phone call to the FBI gets that person found. now why would any past associates of cmkx want to disappear?? couldn't be they got their scam money & left could it?? assets gone from cmkx, everybody on vacation UC probably in S.A. or the backwoods of canada. wanna bet his new home goes up for sale soon?? would wanna buy that, when the kool-aide wears off somebody will go postal. now CMKX is pissed they got scammed by an auditor, if that isn't a hoot, wait till the cult wakes up. rednecks dont hire lawyers to write letters...lol. so much material so little time. off to work. guys can ya save some of the cults hide for me??? back about 1am...lol
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Ric: She was questioning were UC came up with $15 million dollars. and I think it was a good question. The whole paragraph lead up to it. She had concerns were the money came from. Now Legal, if you took off those glasses you can see where she was gong with it. I think UC is in a lot of trouble very soon.
And Stoecklein answered the question succinctly: "UC's personal financial investments is not the business of the auditor.
"Mr. Casavant's personal investments are well outside the scope of CMKM's audit."
It certainly might be if the personal income was from the illegal sale of stock.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:The play really starts August 2.
It's going to have a short run though. I'm standing by my end of August prediction. When none of the "plans" happen within a month, interest will wane and that'll be the end of it. Unless of course someone or something does go after Urban & Co., that will be fun to watch. Somehow Urban going to jail will be good news and will tie in with "locking up shorty" or something like that.
Posted by legaleagle on :
The accountant had information that UCAD received the $15 million from Urban, because they had done accounting work for UCAD, not because of any entries in CMKX books concerning the amount. If it was "personal", then there would be no corporate entries on CMKX books.
There is nothing in the letter that indicates that the accountant was looking for any "embezzlement" on the part of Urban. That is all your wishful speculation.
They were only asking for information on Urban's personal investment in UCAD which is out of the scope of an accountant's duties. They're not the FBI, they are accountants. If they had any suspicions of wrongdoing, their only obligation is to report it to the proper authorities, not to do a criminal invesstigation.
Posted by Ric on :
Beckstead submitting a draft 10A letter shows they were given sufficient information to form an opinion of illegal activity.
Posted by will on :
legal, Dr. D pump out an opinion on the termination of the auditor? Willy, Steling?
Posted by Ric on :
How funny:
Today at 12:48pm, NovaKane wrote:I think we need a symbol change: CMKX -> WTF
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Please enlighten us on those conflicts of interest that you see, Wallace.
Like I told you before, legal, you don't know what represents a "conflict of interests"! This is the last time I will try to enlighten you and try to get something through your thick skull about conflicts of interest. Further, both items are very typical of "non-arm's length transactions" which are also considered to be unethical to say the least.
Loan to Casavant from a company that not only had no earnings, but owed money and couldn't pay it's own bills.
Deals with related parties.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Oh, gee, maybe we should arrest Hakala?
No ed, she is following the "script" to a tee. Please, all understand, the curtain is now coming up and the "actors" are in costumes.
No, legal, it has nothing to do with a "script" or anything to do with a "curtain" coming up. It has to do with the "boom" being lowered!
Posted by legaleagle on :
W: "Loan to Casavant from a company that not only had no earnings, but owed money and couldn't pay it's own bills."
Wallace, ????????????????? What the ....... Are you reading the same document the rest of us are. This has to do with a personal investment by UC in UCAD. Where you getting all this loan stuff?
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: How funny:
Today at 12:48pm, NovaKane wrote:I think we need a symbol change: CMKX -> WTF
I suggest CMKGONE
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hope Frizz sends me a letter when he starts the class action. I'm saving my pennies.
Posted by Ric on :
Soaps have nothing on this stock, lol
Posted by: Investorman In reply to: janice shell who wrote msg# 179031 Date:7/29/2005 2:07:57 PM Post #of 179053
Stocklein says that the auditor couldn't know about anything illegal because CMKX didn't give him anything to audit. LOL - You can't know a crime has been committed because I didn't give you any evidence. This is good!
As CMKM's independent accountant you were required to have “procedures designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts that would have a direct and material effect on the determination of financial statement amounts.” 1 It is unclear what procedures you could have possibly designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts when in your own letter you made references to; CMKM books and records being unauditable because they are incomplete, the banking records [are] inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter, and you were unable to quantify the amounts involved because you had not been provided sufficient information to do so.
Posted by legaleagle on :
As far as Stoecklein pushing the auditor on "detecting illegal acts", it doesn't relate to Urban.
Now I know you don't want to believe that, but would Stoecklein really be pushing for the accountant to find evidence against Urban. Gimme a break.
They are looking for the auditor to find the paper trail of criminal acts of a few of the "premerger syndicate" financiers, as I have been trying to point up for awhile.
Posted by Ric on :
Roflmao, they are trying to start a movement to fire Frizzell on the koolaid board. What a play. What ACT are we in now?
Posted by Ric on :
Do you really believe that Stoecklein was given the information that show UC committed crimes? Thats why he had his personal lawyer at trial.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Ric:
quote:What ACT are we in now?
4 days away from the final one.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: W: "Loan to Casavant from a company that not only had no earnings, but owed money and couldn't pay it's own bills."
Wallace, ????????????????? What the ....... Are you reading the same document the rest of us are. This has to do with a personal investment by UC in UCAD. Where you getting all this loan stuff?
Without proper records, it is rather easy to say he did not get the money from selling CMKX stock. Do you suppose he sold the jade collection rights or sold 2 miniscule diamonds? I say not. Two ways appear obvious, either of which would mean serious legal trouble for UC. That's probably why, among other reasons, he took the 5th.
Oh, I forgot, UC has a fairy godmother who could have given him the $15 mil. I gave him the benefit of the doubt by saying it was loaned.
Someone had better start looking at USCA's records carefully too.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
GO GET 'EM FRIZZY!!! REMOVE CASAVANT (every last one of them)! REMOVE STOECKLEIN! REMOVE MAHEU! LITIGATE CMKX AND UC ET AL!
Posted by will on :
Is there more new news from Friz-ZELL, or are you referencing his letter from yesterday?
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: GO GET 'EM FRIZZY!!! REMOVE CASAVANT (every last one of them)! REMOVE STOECKLEIN! REMOVE MAHEU! LITIGATE CMKX AND UC ET AL!
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: dustybutler101 29 Jul 2005, 02:56 PM EDT Msg. 243738 of 243759 Jump to msg. # LISTEN UP... PLEASE... Just spoke with John Martin and the company did call today and they were able to discuss the concerns expressed in Bill's letter.
John was very positive about the conference call and feels positive about the appeal getting filed and effots being made to find another auditor to get the financials fully prepared to file.
There were good reasons for the termination of the last auditor's relationship with CMKX... no details were given to me by John.
John also stress that there is NO intention what-so-ever of filing a class action lawsuit against the company. Bill's letter served one purpose and that purpose was fulfilled... the company responded.
John also stressed that we all have the best chance of winning if we all work together... the owners group and the company. I came away believing the company does intend to file and are actively seeking an auditor that is completely objective... which is the role of an auditor.
I also came away with a different perspective of Urban. A more positive one, thank goodness.
So I ask simply to wait and see what update Bill will release shortly... should be this afternoon or at least this weekend.
Posted by Ric on :
=DJ IN THE MONEY: Judge Dismisses Short Selling Case Against DTCC
By Carol S. Remond A Dow Jones Newswires Column
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--A federal judge in the central district of California has dismissed a suit against the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation, or DTCC.
The suit, filed by Trident Systems International Inc., and its president, Alan Sporn, in U.S. District Court in August 2004, alleged that DTCC, which manages a global electronic clearing system, and a number of securities firms assisted short seller Anthony Elgindy and some 600 mostly unnamed co-conspirators in illegally trading shares of Trident.
Trident and Sporn alleged that Elgindy and others sold short Trident shares in 2001 without first borrowing them. The plaintiffs claimed that DTCC and the brokerages facilitated Elgindy's alleged illegal conduct by allowing improper trades in Trident's stock.
Short sellers typically borrow shares to sell them, hoping that they will be able to replace them with shares bought at a lower price later. Selling short without a borrowing agreement is called naked short selling.
Earlier this year, Judge Manuel Real dismissed a first amended complaint filed by Trident. After the company filed two other amended complaints, the brokerage firms and DTCC asked the judge to dismiss the case. Some defendants also sought sanctions against Sporn, Trident and their lawyers. On July 13, Trident agreed to withdraw its suit against more than 40 securities firms and waived its right to appeal the dismissal of its case against them. In return, the firms agreed not to seek sanctions against the company and its lawyers.
The case against DTCC was not dismissed at the time as Trident's lawyers sought to pursue a breach of contract claim against the clearing and settlement corporation.
Judge Real dismissed Trident and Sporn's case against DTCC on July 25, giving the company no chance to file another complaint against DTCC. The judge also granted DTCC's request to impose sanctions against Trident, Sporn and their lawyers.
The case againt individual defendants named in the complaint, including Elgindy, Robert Hansen, and Derrick Cleveland is still ongoing.
Elgindy currently sits in jail awaiting sentencing on unrelated charges that he used confidential government information obtained with the help of a rogue Federal Bureau of Investigation special agent to manipulate the stocks of small companies. Elgindy and former FBI special agent Jeffrey Royer were found guilty of racketeering, conspiracy and securities fraud by a Brooklyn jury in January. Cleveland and Hansen pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit securities fraud and cooperated with the government. They are both awaiting sentencing.
Trident stock was not one of the many stocks mentioned during Elgindy's three-month trial.
(Carol S. Remond is an award-winning columnist and one of four who write the "In The Money" feature. She won a 2005 Gerald Loeb Award for best news service content with "Exposing Small-Cap fraud", a series of articles that described how three small companies unscrupulously pumped up their stocks.)
-By Carol S. Remond; Dow Jones Newswires; 201 938 2074; carol.remond@dowjones.com
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
07-29-05 1438ET
Copyright (c) 2005 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Ric:
quote:What ACT are we in now?
4 days away from the final one.
I just can't figure out if this is a tragedy or a comedy. Seems to have elements of both, as do many plays.
Posted by will on :
Well, there's today feel good pill. Let's see what Mr. FrizZELL really has to say though. These jamokes that post feel good crap about phone calls are usually just blowing smoke. Btw, legal, they're not going to find an auditor willing to touch them. It isn't worth what it would cost them professionally, they cannot pay an auditor enough to wallow through their slop.
Posted by Upside on :
Will, I've noticed that two of your favorite adjectives are "jamokes" and "mopes". What's the difference between the two?
Posted by will on :
Well, they both have ears, but rarely use them, and never use their brain. A mope is a person who wanders around is sad, unhappy, and stupid. Jamoke is slang for a dick with ears, who might also be a mope. So, I guess you can interchange them or use them both together to reinforce your point. (Ex: Some of these mopes that think up these CMKX fantasies are real jamokes). Other appropriate discriptive names for these fellows, puke eaters, fisheads, goofs, slobs, windbags, gurus....I guess you have seen most of them from time to time.
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Will, I've noticed that two of your favorite adjectives are "jamokes" and "mopes". What's the difference between the two?
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by GatorMan:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Ric:
quote:What ACT are we in now?
4 days away from the final one.
I just can't figure out if this is a tragedy or a comedy. Seems to have elements of both, as do many plays.
Now all it needs is sex and we can sell it to Hollywood.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Up, let me correct you before dwman gets here. Mopes and Jamokes are nouns. LOL
Posted by will on :
"Now all it needs is sex and we can sell it to Hollywood."
....and you think these guys are living in Vegas for the slot action alone? They're planting those Vegas whores two a time, Ric. They had 10's of millions of $ to blow. I'm sure the hard working girls of Sin City got some of legal's money. Nice warm feeling to know your hard earned cash went to help some struggling actress.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"I'm sure the hard working girls of Sin City got some of legal's money. "
Will, you want to rethink that statement? I'm hoping you didn't mean it the way it appears.
Posted by will on :
Nah, once alone in a room with them your glorified leader probably didn't mind if they were hard or not.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Okay, here’s a little wrinkle to scare the Koolaid crowd or anyone thinking of investing in diamond mining… Story headline from InTech periodical I receive at work. “Diamonds are a chemist’s best friend”Using chemical vapor deposition (CVD), researchers can now produce a 10-carat, half-inch thick single –crystal diamond at a rate of 100 micrometers per hour. Using new techniques, the Carnegie scientists have now produced a transparent flawless diamond. The standard growth rate is 100 micrometers per hour but 300 micrometers per hour may be possible. With the colorless diamond produced at higher growth rates and low cost, large blocks of diamonds should be available for a variety of applications… The diamond age is upon us. . Dr. Hemley said.! The article does state that growing diamonds has been around a long time, but not as cheaply, and as flawless as this new technique produces. It’s also states that the flawless diamond is high gem quality. My point being… if a diamond of top quality can be manufactured, why dig for them. This is the future and miners don’t like it. And on another note… why is UC’s son Ron showing up and UC is fading into the woodwork?
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by stockster5:
quote:My point being… if a diamond of top quality can be manufactured, why dig for them.
Why buy a manufactured diamond when you can present your love with the Cadillac of diamonds? Give her a conflict free Casavant Brand diamond. When only the best will do.
Posted by will on :
Nah, give her a conflict diamond, let her know there were lives given and blood shed for that rock!
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by stockster5:
quote:My point being… if a diamond of top quality can be manufactured, why dig for them.
Why buy a manufactured diamond when you can present your love with the Cadillac of diamonds? Give her a conflict free Casavant Brand diamond. When only the best will do.
Posted by will on :
Oh. I apologize legal, I wasn't implying you personally used the working girl's services. I meant the money you invested in CMKX wound up helping a struggling actress. You live in Indianapolis, not Vegas, that should have been your clue to understanding my intent.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: "I'm sure the hard working girls of Sin City got some of legal's money. "
Will, you want to rethink that statement? I'm hoping you didn't mean it the way it appears.
Posted by Ric on :
Who's money does the cult think UC was using at the slot machines were he met his client. Man, how can I get a job like that. But really with the evidence presented over the last couple weeks and they still refuse to see the truth really is sad. Money lost forever.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Oh. I apologize legal, I wasn't implying you personally used the working girl's services. I meant the money you invested in CMKX wound up helping a struggling actress. You live in Indianapolis, not Vegas, that should have been your clue to understanding my intent.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: "I'm sure the hard working girls of Sin City got some of legal's money. "
Will, you want to rethink that statement? I'm hoping you didn't mean it the way it appears.
That's what I was hoping you meant. We're ok. But lots of people from all over the world go to Vegas. Even some Christians
Posted by will on :
We're always ok, legal. Actually I am civil, believe it or not. I may even mitigate my position about not liking you. I probably could tolerate you, but I don't like your behavior and beliefs regarding this stock. But we're safe, you couldn't tolerate me, and that's ok.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Who's money does the cult think UC was using at the slot machines were he met his client. Man, how can I get a job like that. But really with the evidence presented over the last couple weeks and they still refuse to see the truth really is sad. Money lost forever.
I assume he reached in his wallet and took out money that was paid to him as a CEO of a major diamond exploration company, which should be considerable. (Considering the cr@p, bashing and false allegations he has to put up with.)
Posted by Ric on :
Sort of like he reached into his wallet and invested $15 million dollars. I like that kind of a salary. But I guess if you don't have any accountability then you can pay yourself anything you like. Since the shareholders don't care to know where there money is going.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Sort of like he reached into his wallet and invested $15 million dollars. I like that kind of a salary. But I guess if you don't have any accountability then you can pay yourself anything you like. Since the shareholders don't care to know where there money is going.
You are all assuming that UC and family had no money prior to CMKX. They are descendants of Frères Casavant the famous builder of pipe organs.
Posted by will on :
"Frères Casavant the famous builder of pipe organs."
Stop yourself man !
Posted by Ric on :
Legal did make me think about something. So I went back the the books 2003 and 2004. I do think its odd that he lists deposits as debits in some cases and credit in others but thats not it.
No where in the accounting books does it show salary for UC or anyone for that much; NO payroll taxes, FICA, or Medicare. There is no entry for any payroll expenses. Now isn't that odd. So where did UC get 15 million to private invest. Selling Amway, renting U-hauls, or did he save his money when he was a prison guard.
How did he pay for his house (even though a Vegas real Estate firm got 10 million dollars in shares), a hummer, 15 million personal investment, slots machines in Vegas, and Will's dream girls. Yet no salary. But then too why did the Accountant write a 10A letter?
Posted by Ric on :
Thats the reason he was a prison guard and sold Amway and a U-haul salesman. I know so many multi-millions that do these as side jobs. Will, do you think he is pulling our legs or does he believe that?
quote:Originally posted by will: "Frères Casavant the famous builder of pipe organs."
Stop yourself man !
Posted by will on :
Hey, you know how much a good pipe organ would cost you , Ric. LOL Big demand for those pipe organs. I need a break. Think I'll go clean my garrage. Hey, legal, can I count on you for more laughs when I return, I'll give you a couple of hours.
Posted by Ric on :
Dear Group Members,
I concluded this morning a 45 minute conference call with Urban and a representative of Don Stoecklein's office. Don remains unavailable. Urban has been out of the country and away from phone contact most of the past week. The discussion was very amiable and informative. Some tough questions were asked. Explanations were made regarding the lack of communication this week.
The 8k issued this morning explains the ongoing problems with the auditor. I appreciate those that have offered their services for audit monitoring duty but there will be no immediate need for such help. I am retaining your info for future reference. If any of you with auditiing experience would like to comment on the letters in the 8k, I would be glad to hear your thoughts from an accounting perspective. The company continues to spend valuable time and money attempting to engage an auditor that will actually produce auditable financials. It seems to me that once an auditor receives a $25,000 due diligence fee before accepting emploment, and he then signs an engagement letter it would have to be some pretty unusual circumstances to assert that you cannot perform the audit. I share your pain, folks.
Mr. Stoecklein's office is filing a Petition for Review in the decision handed down by Judge Murray. I am reviewing a rough draft of the petition. The appeal will be filed before Tuesday per Mr. Stoecklein's office. I will post a copy when the original is filed.
I plan on withdrawing my request for an inspection at this time. One of the problems with the audit process is the company's ability to provide sufficient documentation of all matters requiring disclosure. Much discussion took place this morning regarding the problem with the audit. I believe any significant inspection to which we may be entitled to perform at this time, may potentially interfere with any ongoing efforts of the company to get financials filed. I do not wish to interefere with any operations at this point knowing that the revocation is being appealed.
Urban stated emphatically that CMKX shareholders own the American Shaft. I asked Urban about the wording on the Nevada Minerals website and he was not hesitant in saying that CMKX owns the shaft and Nevada Minerals produces out of it. My conversation with Urban leads me to believe there has been no disposition or sale of any assets or claims in recent months to any third parties, nor is there any plan for the sale of any assets at this time or in the near future.
I understand someone has seen a tv ad promoting the Dateline story this Sunday night. Now that should be interesting.
Onward,
Bill
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yeah, I remember once I was rich, I took an Amway job just for something to do. And I hauled the shoeshine stuff around in a U-Haul too.
And dont get me started on organs.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:I plan on withdrawing my request for an inspection at this time.
Mistake.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Ed:
quote:And dont get me started on organs.
You prefer pipes?
Posted by cobracobra on :
Maybe you two should take all this pipe and organ talk to the qbid thread.... J/K I agree that withdrawing the request for review was a mistake. Keep the heat on him, i want some info.
Posted by Ric on :
I figured this would be posted by now. A copy of the Petition for review is posted on Frizzy's website. All it does is take each count the Judge set forth and said it wasn't true. Really is funny in a way but what else can they say.
By: stockshockers4 29 Jul 2005, 08:11 PM EDT Msg. 1059200 of 1059223 Jump to msg. # cmkx lawyer say's it ain't true ' da judge is a liar!!!
lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"No where in the accounting books does it show salary for UC or anyone for that much; NO payroll taxes, FICA, or Medicare. There is no entry for any payroll expenses. Now isn't that odd. So where did UC get 15 million to private invest."
Ric, that is precisely what I was trying to get through to legal previously. I saw the lack of payrolls, etc in the Ledgers you provided us. That is what I meant by "UC's fairy godmother".
That General Ledger also made reference to "Loans Payable", showed it as having to do with issuances of stock for reduction of debts. What debts. To whom? The words "Loans Payable" alone suggest a credit, not a debit as shown unless it was showing a debit for an Expense having been paid with that stock. Questions would still exist as to what, why, who, etc. Non-arm's length insider dealings? If they were loans to CMKX, what happened to the money loaned to CMKX?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: "Frères Casavant the famous builder of pipe organs."
Stop yourself man !
Remember that picture Ric posted of all those guys blowing into pipes. Maybe that was really a pipe organ? Or was it a bl*w j*b.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
As per Frizzy:
"It seems to me that once an auditor receives a $25,000 due diligence fee before accepting emploment, and he then signs an engagement letter it would have to be some pretty unusual circumstances to assert that you cannot perform the audit. I share your pain, folks." --------------------
The OG, faithful, cult members don't have to read between the lines to know what Frizzy is suggesting above...."some pretty unusual circumstances".
Wonder how they would answer that inference.
GO GET 'EM FRIZZY!!
Posted by Ric on :
Someone ran the Petition through a OCR if they want to copy and paste anything from it. Not sure why though. It said nothing other then liar liar pants on fire, please set aside the judgement.
Shoot, I could have wrote that petition and only charged half as much.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: I figured this would be posted by now. A copy of the Petition for review is posted on Frizzy's website. All it does is take each count the Judge set forth and said it wasn't true. Really is funny in a way but what else can they say.
By: stockshockers4 29 Jul 2005, 08:11 PM EDT Msg. 1059200 of 1059223 Jump to msg. # cmkx lawyer say's it ain't true ' da judge is a liar!!!
lol
I agree Ric, it is a very weak motion. Once again, ask yourself why it is so weak. I guess you could say that Stoecklein is a weak attorney. LOL Study some of his past cases. It is apparent that they want revocation. And from the motion, I would guess they'll get it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "No where in the accounting books does it show salary for UC or anyone for that much; NO payroll taxes, FICA, or Medicare. There is no entry for any payroll expenses. Now isn't that odd. So where did UC get 15 million to private invest."
Ric, that is precisely what I was trying to get through to legal previously. I saw the lack of payrolls, etc in the Ledgers you provided us. That is what I meant by "UC's fairy godmother".
That General Ledger also made reference to "Loans Payable", showed it as having to do with issuances of stock for reduction of debts. What debts. To whom? The words "Loans Payable" alone suggest a credit, not a debit as shown unless it was showing a debit for an Expense having been paid with that stock. Questions would still exist as to what, why, who, etc. Non-arm's length insider dealings? If they were loans to CMKX, what happened to the money loaned to CMKX?
Wallace, I am sure as a talented accountant that you notice that it is headed "Draft" copy. It's only the numbers that were available from limited documentation left over from Desormeau.
Posted by Ric on :
Actually Legal, I think they had no plans to file anything. Then Frizzell wrote that letter yesterday and they got together and said we need to do something to shut this guy up. It looks like it took about an hour to type by his assistant.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: As per Frizzy:
"It seems to me that once an auditor receives a $25,000 due diligence fee before accepting emploment, and he then signs an engagement letter it would have to be some pretty unusual circumstances to assert that you cannot perform the audit. I share your pain, folks." --------------------
The OG, faithful, cult members don't have to read between the lines to know what Frizzy is suggesting above...."some pretty unusual circumstances".
Wonder how they would answer that inference.
GO GET 'EM FRIZZY!!
How would they answer? The same way Frizzell did. Why did the auditor sign on if he had done proper due diligence on this company? Wasn't it apparent, even to us, from the hearing that this company's books were "messed up".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Now folks, go back to page 32 of this thread and pull up all those sites where it lists shares having been issued as of 12/31/2004.
There is NOT ONE reference to any loans having been paid off with shares. Certainly, such a loan payoff would have warranted an entry explaining such issuances.
Posted by Ric on :
Remember the accountant didn't quit. He filed a 10A letter and was fired.
Posted by Ric on :
Notice Frizzell didn't ask for the last e-mail update not to be posted. Yesterdays public posting said why but most seemed to overlook it.
Frizzle was clear that the SEC lawyer Hakula told him he could not disseminate information. Thats why this e-mail didn't include the keep it off the board statement. Frizzle can go to jail if he tries an hides information that is needed by all shareholders or potential shareholders. It is called insider information no matter how innocent it may appear to you. If the information could cause someone to hold or sell then he is in big trouble. And saying he talked to UC and they own the American mines and the Appeal is on after what has been going on could be considered just that. This isn't like your personal lawyer representing yourself. His choices or action can effect all shareholders.
"Ms Hakula has cautioned me about selective dissemination of non public information."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I agree that withdrawing the request for review was a mistake. Keep the heat on him, i want some info."
Sure looks like you are swaying a bit to the basher side, huh, "skunkweed"? I would much rather be a "buttercup"!
PS: Legal, better get the snake back in formation!
Posted by Ric on :
To me it was easy to see that the Accountant contacted the SEC in regards to the information she found and asked them for advise. They probably said you need to file a 10A and may want to run fast if this is going on in the company. Of course this is IMO just like yours is legal. You have no proof that the SEC didn't do just like I said, like you have no proof in the allegations you have made about the SEC. Then too thats if the statement was even actually said, hearsay. But mine makes more sense if it was with the 10A being written. Yet the accountant did not quit. She was fired for not showing up to a meeting and filing the draft 10A.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Haven't heard from CashMooCow lately. Hope all is well.
Posted by Ric on :
He wrote on the WYSK and PLNI boards yesterday but didn't say much.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "Wallace, I am sure as a talented accountant that you notice that it is headed "Draft" copy. It's only the numbers that were available from limited documentation left over from Desormeau."
W: Get real legal! That was the General Ledger, not some scribbled note from your pal, Glenn.
PS: For those of you who do not know, the General Ledger is where everything is supposed to be recorded as to CMKX's daily activities showing a cumulative and running balance of each account. It is from the General Ledger that the Balance Sheet, the Income Statement, the Source and Use of Funds Statement (aka Statement of Cash Flow) and other documents required to be filed with the SEC originate.
[ July 29, 2005, 21:57: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Ric on :
Talk about Qbid, man did they plummet this week. Glad I got out with a profit. Started to buy back at .0016 and glad I didn't. .0013 today. I hope you got out there bill. GOT TO LOVE THESE PENNY STOCKS. Man I had to sell to buy more CMKX, roflmao. But I did make a killing on that stock last year. But it sucks this year, more ways then one I guess.
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: Maybe you two should take all this pipe and organ talk to the qbid thread.... J/K I agree that withdrawing the request for review was a mistake. Keep the heat on him, i want some info.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:I would much rather be a "buttercup"!
I'm called little buttercup, sweet little buttercup, though I will never know why.
Isn't that an old song that I should be ashamed I know? Wallace, I promise I'll do everything in my power to make sure you're not called "buttercup" from now on, I mean Shakeman was bad enough!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I promise I'll do everything in my power to make sure you're not called "buttercup" from now on, I mean Shakeman was bad enough!"
Sure, Upside.....and just how much power do you possess? Are you as powerful as.....let's say, Roger Glenn? Maheu? Cobra, the Viper snake?
PS: And who was it that started that "shakeman" stuff? Was it Dwman or was it Will? My friends!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "I agree that withdrawing the request for review was a mistake. Keep the heat on him, i want some info."
Sure looks like you are swaying a bit to the basher side, huh, "skunkweed"? I would much rather be a "buttercup"!
PS: Legal, better get the snake back in formation!
Wallace check those new "meds". This is twice today. You gotta keep up buddy. Frizzell wasn't referring to withdrawing the "request for review" he was referring to withdrawing the motion for inspection of CMKX books, that he threatened last night.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Sounds to me like you have been taking your "meds" with loads of Koolaide.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: "Wallace, I am sure as a talented accountant that you notice that it is headed "Draft" copy. It's only the numbers that were available from limited documentation left over from Desormeau."
W: Get real legal! That was the General Ledger, not some scribbled note from your pal, Glenn.
PS: For those of you who do not know, the General Ledger is where everything is supposed to be recorded as to CMKX's daily activities showing a cumulative and running balance of each account. It is from the General Ledger that the Balance Sheet, the Income Statement, the Source and Use of Funds Statement (aka Statement of Cash Flow) and other documents required to be filed with the SEC originate.
Wallace, I am wasting a lot of time trying to keep you straight. But what are friends for?
So let me make it simple. If you will click the link below and look at the heading it says General Ledger, but right above it, stamped very big and bold, it says "DRAFT"
So what if it says "DRAFT". Do you suppose that means it is all a lie or incorrect everywhere? Do you suppose the same is true of Frizzy's "Draft" letter where he questioned a number of things about CMKX, UC and Stoecklein?
Sure, legal, sure. Keep deluding yourself in la la land!
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:PS: And who was it that started that "shakeman" stuff? Was it Dwman or was it Will? My friends!
I think it was Highwaychild, not 100% sure though.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Originally posted by Ric: Soaps have nothing on this stock, lol
Posted by: Investorman In reply to: janice shell who wrote msg# 179031 Date:7/29/2005 2:07:57 PM Post #of 179053
Stocklein says that the auditor couldn't know about anything illegal because CMKX didn't give him anything to audit. LOL - You can't know a crime has been committed because I didn't give you any evidence. This is good!
As CMKM's independent accountant you were required to have “procedures designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts that would have a direct and material effect on the determination of financial statement amounts.” 1 It is unclear what procedures you could have possibly designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts when in your own letter you made references to; CMKM books and records being unauditable because they are incomplete, the banking records [are] inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter, and you were unable to quantify the amounts involved because you had not been provided sufficient information to do so.
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LMAO BIG TIME
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Wallace:
quote:PS: And who was it that started that "shakeman" stuff? Was it Dwman or was it Will? My friends!
I think it was Highwaychild, not 100% sure though.
That guy? I think he has come over to "the other side". You know, those that can see the past, present and future. LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Dusty,
How are you doing, my friend? Don't see enough of you here.
Just love CMKX, UC et al, huh? What a comedy! And tragedy too.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
The Tin Men are coming! The Shakeman is back in action..... Guard your fridge, and stash the ham and cheese.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
" the banking records [are] inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter,"
Even the above doesn't convince the faithful? Where did the $15 mil come from?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Thanks loads, Dusty!!! My kind of friend. Just don't know how I managed to acquire such loyal friends. LOL
PS: And I don't need you to reply either, Upside. Or you, Will.
Posted by Upside on :
Hey, he could have called you buttercup but he opted for Shakeman instead. He's a sensitive guy.
Posted by Ric on :
lol
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Originally posted by Wallace#1: Hey Dusty,
How are you doing, my friend? Don't see enough of you here.
Just love CMKX, UC et al, huh? What a comedy! And tragedy too.
-------------------------------------------------
Doin fine Wallace, yourself?
Hey, this U/C character is really a piece of work.. Haven't kept up with the scoundrel that much of late, but nothing changes, he is still a Jackazz to the 5 power!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Wallace:
quote:PS: And who was it that started that "shakeman" stuff? Was it Dwman or was it Will? My friends!
I think it was Highwaychild, not 100% sure though.
It was the eloquent one.Can't talk now Almost poker night. After hours trading.LOL
Posted by Ric on :
Must be trading EUR/USD this time of night.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Buttercup? day bean a pikin again on ya Wallace?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Sho 'nuf, Dusty. They just love tormenting old farts.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Wallace,I thought ya had um arrested and carted off to the "whous kow" for lurid dancing on yer porch!!
Posted by Upside on :
quote:I'm called Little Buttercup — dear Little Buttercup, Though I could never tell why, But still I'm called Buttercup — poor little Buttercup, Sweet Little Buttercup I!
Found it on Google. I knew I wasn't dreaming it!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Nite Wallace, we're going into town for a fresh King Salmon steak..
Posted by cobracobra on :
yo what are you, on X or something upside? Any way the snake does not need to be PUT BACK in formation, i've never left. I just want some info. Friz is right in what he is doing and has done, if he dropped the inspection of the bookst then there must be a reason. I think they should inspect the basher books instead, i am sure they will be directed here for further info on them. It seems that allstocks has become what raging rhoids use to be. As for the rest of you; you are all a bunch of little buttercups......For ever thinking i had any BASH in me except to Bash the Bashtards i mean bashers. I dont bash where i am going to get money very soon. Dont worry when it moves i will still come here and rub it in all the time. COBRA
Posted by will on :
I think someone rubbed their lamp too much already.
Btw, UpMan, I would like to give Highway credit for "Shakeman", but - oh well, nevermind, yea it was Highway did it.
Posted by Ric on :
Cobra: if he dropped the inspection of the bookst then there must be a reason.
The accountant was fired. There is nothing to inspect.
But on the next topic. Will you come back in here when this scam is discovered for what it is and let us rub it in????
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:Btw, UpMan, I would like to give Highway credit for "Shakeman", but - oh well, nevermind, yea it was Highway did it.
So, you're trying to say it was you?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Will you come back in here when this scam is discovered for what tit is and let us rub it in????"
Ric, what's this about rubbing tits? I am all for that!
Anyone see this:
• "Austrian museum lets naked people in free"
Bet the CT people are lined up already. After all, they do think like the King with his new clothes.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by cobracobra:
quote: Dont worry when it moves i will still come here and rub it in all the time. COBRA
But, if it goes the opposite way, will you still come here so we can all make fun of you?
Posted by Ric on :
Figures you would caught that before I could get rid of it, lol.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "Will you come back in here when this scam is discovered for what tit is and let us rub it in????"
Ric, what's this about rubbing tits? I am all for that!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: " the banking records [are] inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter,"
Even the above doesn't convince the faithful? Where did the $15 mil come from?
Wallace, what I have been saying. The records are incomplete and the bank statements can't fill all of the holes. But if the records are incomplete, that goes back to Desormeau, not Urban. If some of Desormeau's insider "friends" were guilty of toxic financing, it would make sense why the records disappeared.
Posted by Upside on :
What's this about rubbing tits? Oh forget it, I'm going to go see what my wife is doing.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: If some of Desormeau's insider "friends" were guilty of toxic financing, it would make sense why the records disappeared.
W: Just change the named to Urban Casavant, legal. I am guessing they might have gone up in smoke in UC's new fireplace.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: What's this about rubbing tits? Oh forget it, I'm going to go see what my wife is doing.
What the hell are you doing, Up, dreaming again?
Posted by Ric on :
Maybe thats why his new house needs 4 fireplaces
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
Some of the blame you are placing on DeSormeau might be warranted. However, it does not take a rocket scientist to keep track of bank records and UC is certainly someone who would at least keep track of the money....if anything.
Posted by Ric on :
Yet blaming DeSormeau doesn't explain the 15 million, new home, hummer, gambling, and many other personal exploits of UC. Geeze this isn't rocket science. It is there staring you in the face.
Posted by Upside on :
Pick your crook. They're all the same. This was a pink sheet scam that got carried away. There's hundreds of them out there, the only difference is that this one was making money for a whole bunch of people and none of them wanted to see it shut down. Now we're seeing the damage control.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Time for me hit the sack. Good night.
Posted by Ric on :
You know what though, if Noah and Debi didn't get free shares they should be complaining to UC real quick. Because you would be the only pumpers that didn't get them. Along with every other Tom, Dick, and Harry.
I even got some information on some DD I did about the 360. That most were paybacks and family. That the original investors that were told this was going to sky rocket and were convinced by con man UC that it would make them a lot of money if they gave UC startup in exchange for shares. But since dilution started almost immediately after UC took control there share became worthless real quick and they demanded compensation or they would start trouble.
Oh well, as I stated if you didn't get your free shares there you should be real upset.
Posted by will on :
That is funny, he pumps this thing for nothing. LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see desormeua gets $1.5 million cash & 60 some billion shares in his company, business works to sell. Ginger the office manager gets at least $4.6 million for her shares. i'd say UC was underpaid getting only $15 million, a few million dollar home, cash for slot machines & hookers & $4 million for race cars. Heck Ron got $1 million for just being related & pumping cmkx at the track, plus of course a bunch of shares.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, get real please CMKX a MAJOR MINING EXPLORATION COMPANY?????!!!!!! MAJOR!!!!!????? cmkx isn't even a minor mining company.
don't ya love when the cult is reduced to saying the fired auditor couldn't have known anything was illegal because cmkx doesn't have any records to prove it with?? legal you've stated this a few times. do you understand the meaning of NO RECORDS???!!! the fact that nothing can be proven including where all the money from selling shares went should at the very least give you a hint. but then i guess desparate times call for desparate measures...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
xxdiamondchildxx God of Diamonds
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Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 639 A very interesting theory....... « Thread Started on Today at 12:10am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- via Bellingus:
There has been a lot of speculation as to what has been going on behind the scenes. I’ve avoided addressing this because I’ve wanted to stay as far away from speculating about exactly who the good guys are and who are the bad guys are as much as possible. Much of what is to follow I learned last year from public records. My research recently took on new meaning with some great detective work done by PHXGOLD back in April and May of this year.
When the company was formed there were people who provided seed capital. This seed capital was used primarily to purchase and maintain the many claims UC had secured in Canada. BTW, as a complete aside, UC has gotten a lot of criticism on these boards for having money and buying a new house, etc. Urban got his buns in gear and worked his ass off tying up some of the most valuable mineral claims in North America long before CMKX was ever established. I believe he sold or optioned some of these claims for some walking around money. Big money? Yes. And that should be an excellent clue as to the value of the remainder of the claims. If that’s a crime, we should all be criminals.
Anyway, it seems that some of the people who provided the seed capital necessary to get the company off the ground became greedy. Without going into a lot of speculative details, some of them tried to wrestle the company away from Urban. Doing this would allow them to keep all of the claims for themselves. This type of thing is actually pretty common in the dog-eat-dog business world. One of the tricks I believe they pulled was to conspire to dilute the stock by teaming up with certain hedge funds and MMs. They hoped to force the company into bankruptcy. Without going into more details, I’ll just say that this situation became so serious that UC was once in very real danger of losing control of the company.
Roger Glen came aboard and did a lot of very valuable work for CMKX. However, he was unable to put a stop to the outright criminal activity taking place. I believe that what he did accomplish was to get certain entities ready for a merger and or IPO. With that work done, he left the heavy stuff to someone else.
That someone was Bob Mahue. I see IBM as a take-charge, no BS guy. I can only speculate here, but I would guess that during his first meeting he minced no words. He asked UC if he had any skeletons in his closet and told him that he’d better come clean. UC answered, Mahue checked him out, and confirmed that he was okay. Next, he inquired as to the nature of the company’s problems. UC answered that certain people and entities involved in providing SOME OF the seed capital were holding the company back by selling short and other devious stuff. Forgive me for not being more specific here, I don’t want to speculate and I’m sure most of you can understand what I’m referring to anyway.
Once IBM hears the entire story he brings in Stoecklein. There seems to be an issue about revealing the names of certain insiders who provided the initial seed capital. According to some of the great DD of one of our finest shareholders, the names of certain hostile people could only be revealed if ordered by a judge – a judge whose decision could not be appealed. Mahue, being a man of action immediately asked, how do we get such a decision? The plan for the revocation hearing was hatched. IMO, the reason we’re facing revocation is because once we appeal, we will be in front of a judge whose decision cannot be appealed – this is one of the provisions outlined in a public filing. But the story does not end there.
With that plan in place, Mahue then employed a back door approach to the problems. He deployed his own investigation company along with all their high-level connections within the Justice Department and other world class law enforcement agencies, and began looking at certain MMs and offshore hedge funds. His goal was to see if he could nail some of the bad guys without the official blessings of the court. For those of you who have been following Mr. Mahue, you might remember that his company busted more than 200 big time racketeers and money launderers only two years ago. These people were involved in some serious stock scams including NSS. So, from the looks of things, we have a two-pronged attack going on – get them through the courts or get them by busting the hedgies and their clients.
Much of this post is educated speculation. However, it is my opinion that plan A was to get revoked so we could go before an appellate judge who would order the names of certain individuals revealed. IMO, Brenda Murray was made aware of this before the hearing. Remember that Roger Glen was a top level SEC enforcement man and Murray is the senior Administrative Law Judge. Their paths would almost inevitably have to have crossed over the years. My guess is RG gave the judge a heads up on the entire situation well before the hearing. Frizzell and Hakala would not have been privy to this disclosure.
On the other front, Mahue’s team of investigators went to the Bahamas (the home of the suspected offshore hedgies) and turned over a few stones. I believe that Mahue’s team has actually gotten the necessary evidence to convict the hostiles. But I’m not sure. Perhaps we need to complete both plans to score.
I could be way off on this but after doing a massive amount of my own DD, it explains nearly everything that we see before us. For those of you who have tracked this far, maybe this sheds a little light on all of the mystery – maybe it confuses things further. Oh, well… This is all my opinion. GLTA
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God Bless to all!
Peter (Dxild)
Posted by bill1352 on :
all i can say to tha repost legal is....i think we have proof that there is life after brain death.
Posted by Ric on :
Thats the person that I want to see morgage there house, take all their savings, and spend their last dime to buy all the shares they can get. Hopefully they can do this by next week.
Posted by Ric on :
Take a look at this. UC's house close up. Sale price was 3.5 million dollars.
Well, I have been researching Eton properties???? They were given 30 billion shares from March to Aug. of last year. There address was a business mail box service that no longer lists them. There is no phone listing for Eton properties in Las Vegas nor any business of them.
Then I went to the State listings and found something real cool. There is a different address then the one on the master shareholders list.
DAN LEE Address 1: 7500 W LAKE MEAD #9627 Address 2: City: LAS VEGAS State: NV Zip: 89128
So one might ask, who cares. Well heres the cool connection. Guess what CMKX's address was before claiming the Hot Rod Shops Address. Here is from Yahoos profile of CMKX.
Profile Get Profile for:
CMKM Diamonds Inc 7500 West Lake Mead Boulevard Suite 9627 Las Vegas, NV 89128 Phone: 702-683-3722 Web Site: http://
Ok, here is were it gets interesting, Mirage Chief Financial Officer Dan Lee. Why does Dan Lee have the same address for a temporary company with CMKX? Why would UC be giving him 30 billion shares at a avg. resale of .0005 thats 15 million dollars. Could this be a credit line for the slots? Well, American Choppers is on. Thats the reason I stay up this late.
[ July 30, 2005, 02:38: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hmmm...wonder when we get to the Kennedy assassination. That has to figure in here somewhere, as they've included just about everyone else.
Posted by bill1352 on :
stockliens job is to defend CMKX & UC period. guilt has nothing to do with it. stocklien had to write that 8K about the auditor because the auditor wrote the 10a & as with the master list it will get out. best defense is a good offense. there is no client privlage between a auditor & a company. you can bet stocklien will not sue the auditor for being scammed, too much "secret" info would get out. the auditoir saw the scam in dd & probably figured they had a quick $100K's & if cmkx really wanted to come clean the best way to start was a 10A. stocklien says "hey we invited you down to S.A & up to canada to see the work we are doing." what earthly business does an auditor have with seeing those things? you can't audit photo's taken during the trip. you can audit records of costs & incomes from those places but since it seems records are non-existant UC figures pictures will do. frizzy says enough is enough & puts some pressure on informing UC the law says we can walk in & take over unless you get buzy & all of a sudden UC is returning calls. UC owes nevada minerals $2 million. nevada minerals posts on their web site they own the american shaft but UC says its not so. tells frizzy how hard it is getting someone to audit cmkx without records or books & the SEC breathing down our necks & frizzy folds. i'm thinking the cmkx shareholders that are fed up & see all the info from the master list & court transcripts for what they say & not add some made up drivel caused by too much kool-aide to explain it needs to ban together, no lawyer needed, just sign a form, send it to the nevada state board. have enough ppl to reach 15% which shouldn't be too hard to find & take over. force the info out completely. i'm betting for under $25K a group could get all the proof needed to take UC to jail. past owners can't join in but i'm betting they would help pay, i would. enough of the scammin, crooked prison guard. send his azz back where he belongs only in the cell not walkin the halls.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
For nearly a year I have tried to hold my temper..
But now I've had it.
If that pic is really U/C'S house, the no good scum sucking SOB is gonna here from me , and I am not BSing..
He ain't gonna like the results!
Also, I do not make idle threats, I am stating a fact!
I am one PO'D Nam VET.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Urban Casavant, I am speaking directly to you. You blew it buddy. You and I are going to have a face to face. Be a man and contact me.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Dusty,
In my opinion, Urban Casavant isn't worth the crap on the bottom of your boots. I believe the law will catch up to him eventually so you need not put yourself in legal jeopardy.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I can only dream about owning a house like that.
And on a golf course, too. Man, I would be in ecztasy 24/7.
Posted by bill1352 on :
a lot of cmkx owners have got to be having reality sink in. no company runs its mouth for a yr about filing only they have no books or records of any transactions. no real company has 2 auditors get fed up with the crap in 6 months. no real company has the type of master list cmkx has with the info it holds. even if the shares numbers were reduced equally to normal scam company numbers say 50 billion or so. the general ledger says no payroll, no money spent drilling yet UC has $15 million to give USCA but can't pay nevada minerals money owed on gold shaft so they give all the unfiltered ore away to pay back moneys. no idea how they will pay the $2 million still owed. the office manager gets at least $4.6 million for her shares & in 2 yrs. $4 million for race cars & UC says the shareholders loved the idea. don't remember seeing the vote on that one. UC has a $3.5 million home. gives brother $1 million for old passed over zinc claims & then only a share of those claims. yet in cmkx books a lot more went for zinc claims then $1 million. in fact a lot more then is recorded for diamond claims. CFO gets $1.5 million in cash and 60 billion shares end up in his company, a company that also includes the $4.6 million office manager & she should have got a lot more then $4.6, thats based on selling for .0002. someone said the only thing missing was sex, well ginger had to be doing something, no paperwork to file & no office to manage. there are $60 million in gem buys for a company that is supposed to be digging up gems not buying them. yet while all these ppl make huge money the investors paying the bills see their pps go from sub-penny to sub-sub- penny. its traded in the 5th digit for gods sake no other company trades in the 5th digit 4th is the normal bottom. ya got a 703 billion o/s and at least a 650 billion float. it took 3 months to find the last auditor & he lasted 7 days & charged $100K. the auditor before him quit because nobody had any records yet the company gave him extra cash because they wanted the audit done fast. a judge revokes the stock & the best they can come up with is "thats not true". forgetting that everything says it is true, they have had 6 months & still have no records to even start an audit. i bet if you got 15% of the o/s together demanding whatever records are there & telling UC to shove his con game UC would double the o/s that day but it sure would be nice to try. just walk in with the papers & shove them in stockliens face.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
I swear, the OG, faithful, cult members are so mesmorized they really have no idea of reality. It is almost as though a spell has been cast upon them. Where the hell is Harry Potter when he is needed? It is just too damn easy for them to believe everything under the sun. A true sign of extremely shallow minds.
Posted by Ric on :
Wonder why the faithful haven't talked about the fact the proposal was not sent. Even if it was because they had problems with the accountant, they lead Frizzell and so the cult in believing it was sent. And of course the koolaid drinkers excused the SEC of fool play because the revocation came out right afterwards. And the whole time they never seen the proposal. How funny. Yet they believe everything else. Like the company has been so forth right so far, lol. As I said all alone, it is a BLAME GAME for UC and company. Blame everyone else in hope they don't figure out who the real crook is.
Posted by bill1352 on :
(By Gayle Essary, Publisher of FinancialWire / FirstAlert)
The full behind-the-scenes story may never be known, but Dateline NBC apparently plans to air its long-awaited previously postponed "StockGate" story Sunday night at 7 p.m. Eastern Time and Pacific Time, and 6 p.m. Central and Mountain Time. Commercials for the show on CNBC Friday showed Ron Insana holding a copy of the Eagletech Communications (OTC: EATC) annual report, and saying that not all is as it seems.
The show apparently will include interview segments with the company's attorney, Wes Christian of Christian Smith & Jewell (http://www.csj-law.com) , which works with the more famous John P. O'Quinn, of O'Quinn, Laminack & Pirtle (http://www.oqlaw.com), and possibly will include a look at illegal naked short sales that the attorneys clam are associated with problems for shareholders at Eagletech, Jag Notes (OTC: JAGH) and others.
Compared to the original announced airing in February, this "possibly revamped" show is coming in almost in stealth mode. As of Saturday, Dateline's website, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600 , still had no mention of this segment, which now appears to be the second feature instead of the first. It is not known if the story has been whittled down from an hour, or if the current length was always planned.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
That's cool Bill, finally, "StockGate".
This is pretty cool too, unless you liked Dave better...
Well, if Stockgate is on tonight, someone should tell NBC about it...
Dateline NBC
SUNDAY, JULY 31 - 7:00 PM ET
Dateline tells the story of two parents who started off as bitter adversaries on opposite sides of a courtroom. However, after a sudden twist of fate, they come together to fight for the same thing: justice for both of their sons. Hoda Kotb reports.
Yeah, what's up with the "stealth mode"... is it,or isn't it on?I see that the show is 2 hrs long tonight.Surly they aren't just talking about the above for a whole 2 hrs.
Dateline NBC airs Fridays (8pm ET) and Sundays (7pm ET). Viewers can call 1-866-NBC-TAPE for NBC News transcripts and tapes of selected Dateline segments.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
This title allmost kinda sums up CMKX doesn't it?LOL
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Yesterday I lost my temper with the U/C situation. I may of come accross in a manner suggesting a confrontation other than verbal.. This is not what I intended....
I want a verbal conversation with him, I believe he atleast owes me that as a ripped off shareholder, more specificly bagholder in my opinion.
That house just plain put me over the top.. Man, when we look at that, and what it represents any warm blooded human being would come un-glued with anger..
Verbal anger OK, but I in no way endorce or want to incite anything other than that.
As Wallace says, the SOB just ain't worth it. So we let the courts deal with him and hope there is justice swiftly and meaningfully administerd.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Dustoff, you may want to wait for the final facts in this matter. The fact that a handful of posters here have already indicted and convicted Urban, does not make it fact that he has done anything wrong.
This is fact. As much as CMKX has been investigated, no criminal charges have been preferred. The best they have come up with is failure to file.
Posted by glassman on :
then i guess you will be really ticked when you find out how many times he laid down a heavy bet on six the hard way Posted by glassman on :
LOL eagle, you musta dumped a lotta money in this to hold out so long...
the difference between legal and ethical is so big, you can fit the planet thru the gap Posted by Ric on :
Legal, I would guess the non filing was the easiest course to go after. Time will tell on criminal charges. But unfortunately in the real world these crooked CEO's get off all the time. It takes a national news event to see justice. Because really if every crooked CEO was put on trial for what they deserve then they would have to go to some state like Montana to get the open spaces needed to build that many court houses just to try them all.
But really when 50K people find out the truth, then UC will hope he gets jail for the protection. I think that CMKX will be taken over soon. Because there will be no change. It will be revoked. You will never hear the truth from UC and Frizzell will have to force in new management. Then the real truth will be known. Thats when criminal charges will happen.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
legaleagle, so many of us have so many differant reasons for posting on this thread, it is mind numbing to try and figure out, who is who, and what is what.
Yes, you are right, when we convict because of a personal agenda, we are all heading for big trouble.
Legal, when U/C told us to hang on because of the dividends coming, I stayed. I did so under a feeling of duress.
My thinking is your wasting your great talents on a man who is not worthy..
If you are an attorney and are just fighting the good fight, for the condemned man, well,you have my respect.
One of the strange twists in all of this, is, I think you and Wallace could be on the same team on other matters....................
Well, the drama moves on, good luck and good health to both of you old titans!!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, did you read stockliens letter to the last auditor??? the part about the SEC wanting to find certain ppl connected to cmkx? i'd say thats an indication the investigation is not over. they have it revoked, step 1. now its time to gather criminal charges, step 2.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Originally posted by glassman: then i guess you will be really ticked when you find out how many times he laid down a heavy bet on six the hard way .
------------------------------------------------- Instigator!! Now you've gone and got me blowing my stack again...
Anybody betting with my money on a hard 6 is a damn fool!!
Thats a suckers bet!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Whats next! he dropped a bundle on a pansies field bet?
Posted by Ric on :
If I was him, I would be dropping a bundle in the nearby Federal prison to get it upgraded with private cell. Bubba may like that big smile of UC's.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Whats next! he dropped a bundle on a pansies field bet?
If he's fond of making field bets that would explain why he's 30 million in the hole.
Posted by tic_toc on :
lol, sammy hagar in a cmkx shirt.
the rumour is that at the next race there will be appearences from Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson and Snoops Doggily Dawg!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, did you read stockliens letter to the last auditor??? the part about the SEC wanting to find certain ppl connected to cmkx? i'd say thats an indication the investigation is not over. they have it revoked, step 1. now its time to gather criminal charges, step 2.
Of course bill, they are trying to find out who the premerger syndicate financiers are. The ones with the forebearance agreement not to reveal their identity. Those are the people that they are after. And that is why UC has to keep pleading the fifth. If he reveals their identities outside of a court of competent jurisdiction, he loses the company.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: then i guess you will be really ticked when you find out how many times he laid down a heavy bet on six the hard way
Actually I don't care what Urban does with his money, as long as I get mine. The difference between us is, I think it's coming, you don't. However, UC is a "slot man", which is the only thing I have against him right now.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Hey T T,what the hell's Sammy got to do with OJ,lol... unless he's stealing cable to watch the race tonight?LOL
But I might not be surprised to see Snoop crack a lacking around at a race one day.With the former Dog/Williams connection and all.Speaking of Williams, check what BBAN did Fri. He's on the BOD there.
Posted by farpceca on :
Maybe UC being a "slot jockey" is code talk for cmkx's next racing arm - thoroughbred racing.
and when "What? Me dilute?" wins the triple crown, that will be the signal to unleash... yea, you know what i'm bout to say boys...a SHOT OVER THE BOW!
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal you already got yours. the kool-aide dulled the pain. once they quit handing the kool-aide out you'll feel it. 1 day sitting down will be very uncomfortable & UC won't be sending flowers either.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:lol, sammy hagar in a cmkx shirt.
Didn't he have a song out a few years back that went "I cant sell, .000055"?
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: phxgold 31 Jul 2005, 12:49 AM EDT Msg. 244346 of 244491
Again I ask why does ameritrade, Pershing, and computer clearing services show up on the master shareholders list outside of cede and company? If those shares are street name they should be represented by cede and co. not the individual brokers, mm's or clearing houses as we do not have a 15c-211 so they cannot hold an inventory as the stock cannot be quoted and must be matched trades, what gives? ~Phx
Posted by legaleagle on :
Fantastic job on finding that securities sold outside the US don't count...for the report or not to report dilemma.
Now, Stoecklien's letter head clearly states they practice law relating to - Federal Securities.
Now, do you honestly think that Stoecklien is unaware of the rules you found? That Kristen Buck doesn't do her research? The question is important because if the answer is of course they know about it....then it begs the question, well if they knew, why didn't they use it as a defense.
So could it be they're saving this argument for their appeal? If it's in CMKX's best interest to get revoked, and they get officially revoked, then those idiots trying to steal our claims can be revealed...like you say.
CMKX is revoked. CMKX retains the claims. The bad guys are OUT. CMKX uses that securities regulation you found to get unrevoked fast and at the same time does NOT have to file f/s....since it would work out that their form 15 was proper afterall.
Is that where you're going? Or am I confusing things even further. - - - - -
yep, phx found the smoking gun..
Posted by Ric on :
abgg, she is a moron. And I don't use that word lightly either. She is the one that sent the letter to the judge. She worships Accaddaca and believes every word that comes out of his mouth. She comes in Willy's room and does nothing but praise Willy and ACCA and scream settlement soon. She claims to be and accountant but when was asked simple accounting question in the past she couldn't do it. Oh well, shes a cult member, what do I expect.
Posted by bill1352 on :
anyone catch the part in this article that proves what we have been saying all along. 703 billion in the o/s & 650 billion float will go no where. cmkx can not mine enough or sell enough to give it any value. the U.S. buys 50% of the worlds diamonds. that equals $30 billion times 2 is $60 billion. if cmkx sold every diamond in the world which is impossible they couldn't earn enough to have any pps value.
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: anyone catch the part in this article that proves what we have been saying all along. 703 billion in the o/s & 650 billion float will go no where. cmkx can not mine enough or sell enough to give it any value. the U.S. buys 50% of the worlds diamonds. that equals $30 billion times 2 is $60 billion. if cmkx sold every diamond in the world which is impossible they couldn't earn enough to have any pps value.
Bill, don't forget oil, uranium, gold and zinc.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yeah, two diamond chips, a bucket of oil, 1 ounce of uranium, a pound of gold, and one truckload of zinc. That adds up to ummmm...calculating......
$980,000,000,000
Wait, let me check those figures....
Posted by will on :
"Bill, don't forget oil, uranium, gold and zinc."
legal, don't forget sobriety !!! Those Koolaid benders are the worst.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"abgg, she is a moron."
And just look who reposted a moron's post. LOL I doubt if that qualifies him for "smart", let alone "genius"!
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see...passed over a few times zinc in CIM's name, passed over a few times uranium controled by another JV, gold that last quarter brought in $60K minus 20% and oil....show me 1 pr that says CMKX has any oil rights. show me an 8K, anything that says CMKX, not some other hope cmkx is part of company, not a JV, but CMKX has oil rights of any kind even those cheap passed over by real oil companies sand oil type claim rights. all totaled you dont have enough of anything to give 1 billion shares value let alone 703 billion.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"GOT CIM?"
Posted by will on :
Matter of fact, I do. It's some worthless dividend that's been laying in my account like a pile of stinking dog crap.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: "GOT CIM?"
Posted by bill1352 on :
yep got CIM too & the sad thing is right now cmkx has more value & i bet there isn't another stock of any kind anywhere that cmkx can say that about.
Posted by ed19363 on :
No, I never did invest in CIM. Oh, you mean that stock that's been taking up room in my account but has never had a value. Oh, yeah, I got plenty of that crap, but no CIM.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hopefully, for the last time:
THIS IS CIM: BUSINESS SUMMARY CIM High Yield Securities operates as a diversified, closed-end management investment company. It invests in corporate bonds and notes, and foreign bonds. The company’s portfolio comprises investments in utilities; wireline; lodging and casinos; chemicals and plastics; wireless communications; cable and satellite television; building and development; industrial machinery/components; pipe lines/natural gas; food/drug retailers; office/business equipment; publishing; auto parts and accessories; containers/glass products; leisure goods, activities, and movies; food service; electronics/electric; railroad; oil and gas; paper/forest products; ecological services and equipment; consumer products; health care; financial intermediaries; aerospace; airlines; retail; insurance; agricultural production; personal services; equipment leasing; apparel manufacturers; marine transportation; and steel sectors. INVESCO Institutional (N.A.), Inc. serves as the investment advisor of the company. CIM High Yield was organized in 1987 and is based Louisville, Kentucky.
Lay off the koolaid long enough to digest this fact: Casavant Mining Company IS NOT CIM !!!!!!
Posted by will on :
We got it, ed. We call it the CIM dividend for lack of a real name or description. No arguement that it is worthless, but we have to refer to it as something besides dog crap.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i hate to correct you Will...well actually i do like correcting you but thats another story.....dog crap has value, it feeds flys, thus the term dog crap could give someone the idea of value. CIM on the other hand has no value, thus the fact that CMKX is worth more.
Posted by bill1352 on :
On July 22, 2005, the Registrant terminated the engagement of Beckstead and Watts, LLP (“Beckstead"), as the Registrant's independent accountants.
Beckstead did not perform an audit of the Registrant's financial statements nor perform any significant audit related functions from the time they were engaged (July 11, 2005) through the date of the termination of their engagement (July 22, 2005). However, Beckstead continued to charge the Registrant for services performed following their termination (from July 22, 2005 through July 29, 2005). Total fees billed for the 114 hours of services performed by Brad Beckstead, audit partner at Beckstead, over the 11 day period prior to their termination and the 7 day period following their termination was $51,300, which did not include $6,750 in legal fees incurred by Beckstead. The foregoing does not include a non-refundable due diligence fee of $25,000 previously paid to Beckstead before their engagement.
This is a change in accountants recommended by the Registrant's Executive Management and approved by the Registrant's Board of Directors. The Registrant is seeking a new independent accountant.
At the time Beckstead was dismissed by the Registrant; there were no disagreements between the Registrant and Beckstead on any matter of accounting principles or practices, or financial statement disclosure, or audit scope or procedure. However, the Registrant had received a draft letter from Beckstead outlining items having to do with Beckstead's ongoing audit procedures.
The Registrant attempted to meet with Beckstead to discuss its ongoing audit needs and the items mentioned in the draft letter, but Beckstead refused to meet with the Registrant. The Registrant's securities counsel issued a letter to Beckstead addressing all items raised by Beckstead's draft letter, a copy of which is attached hereto as Exhibit 99.1.
After business hours on July 28, 2005, Beckstead issued the Registrant a letter, attached hereto as Exhibit 99.2, outlining certain items Beckstead believed to be possible illegal acts. The items raised in this letter are essentially the same items raised in Beckstead's draft letter, which were fully addressed in the Exhibit 99.1 letter from Stoecklein Law Group.
Despite the contention of Beckstead, the firm never made an attempt to meet with management of the Registrant or Robert A. Maheu, acting as the Registrant's audit committee, to address the specific issues raised in either of its letters.
Beckstead refers to four possible items in need of addressing in this Current Report:
1. The possible improper personal use of corporate assets by Mr. Urban Casavant, the Registrant's sole officer and co-chairman of the board. Beckstead, based upon information provided by the Registrant, questioned whether the expenditure of approximately $4 Million, designated as “promotion and advertising" expenses, to sponsor the CMKXtreme racing team “truly advanced the best interest of CMKM". In addition, Beckstead questions whether the expenditure was a related party transaction, because of Mr. Casavant's ownership position in CMKXtreme, Inc., that may not have been presented to or approved by the Board of Directors of CMKM.
In the Registrant's opinion, it was outside the scope of Beckstead's engagement, as the Registrant's independent public accountant, to determine what “truly advanced the best interest of CMKM", especially given Beckstead's lack of professional expertise in the promotion and advertising industry. Additionally, it is unclear to the Registrant what authority Beckstead has as an independent accountant to make judgments upon business decisions without jeopardizing its independence. Numerous private and public companies spend millions of dollars to sponsor racing and other professional sports teams. Further, at the time of the expenditures Mr. Casavant was acting in the capacity as the sole officer and director of the Registrant. It is unclear how Beckstead could question whether Mr. Casavant presented to the board or whether the board approved the expenditures, when Mr. Casavant was the sole acting board member.
2. The possible loans to officers and directors of the Registrant in violation of Section 402 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002.
The Registrant filed a Form 15 on July 22, 2003, which the Registrant believed suspended its reporting obligations under the 34 Act. On February 17, 2005, the Registrant filed an amended Form 15, thereby reinstating its reporting obligations under the 34 Act. Assuming the Registrant's reporting status was suspended immediately upon filing the original Form 15 on July 22, 2003, loans made to officers and directors, if any, from July 22, 2003 through the reinstatement of the Registrant's reporting obligations under the 34 Act could not be in violation of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, as the Registrant would not have been subject to the provisions of Sarbanes-Oxley. On several occasions, both before and after Beckstead's engagement, the Registrant discussed with Beckstead, and Beckstead was fully aware of the Registrant's willingness to address any possible reporting deficiencies and, the disclosure obligations related to those deficiencies, if any, that would be made once final determinations were made.
3. The Registrant's books and records are in Beckstead's opinion, at this point and time, unauditable because they are incomplete, and the records that exist have been improperly maintained. The unavailability of corporate records appears to be a violation of the 1934 Act.
Since the Registrant's initial meetings with Beckstead in June prior to their engagement and throughout Beckstead's due diligence period, the Registrant was entirely upfront and honest in disclosing to Beckstead not all documents required to commence an audit were in the possession of current management and the Registrant was using its best efforts to obtain records
from prior management. The Registrant's board of directors was forthcoming in stating it was currently unable to provide enough information to Beckstead for the purpose of performing general audit procedures. This information was fully disclosed to Beckstead prior to their choosing to accept an additional $75,000 and engage as the Registrant's auditor.
4. The completion and possible failure to disclose related party transactions between; the Registrant and US Canadian Minerals, Inc., the Registrant and its officers and directors, including Urban Casavant, and potential stockholders of the Registrant.
The Registrant, as discussed above, believed it did not have to file periodic reports from July 22, 2003 through February 17, 2005, therefore Beckstead's point over the disclosure of related party transactions is unfounded. It has always been the Registrant's intentions to fully and completely disclose all related party and other relevant transactions as part of its audited financial statements when they are completed, as was discussed with Beckstead on several occasions. Further, Urban Casavant, as the acting sole officer and director of the Registrant, had full authority to enter into transactions on behalf of the Registrant.
Beckstead's letter further advised the Registrant that the actions it identified may have a material adverse impact on the Registrant's financial statements for at least the following reasons, although Beckstead was not able to quantify the amounts at the present time:
1. The related party transactions may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
2. The apparent loans to officers and directors may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
3. We do not have sufficient information to determine whether the apparent improper use of corporate assets should be classified as an expense or an asset;
4. The apparent violations of the securities laws described above may result in SEC enforcement action against CMKM which could result in a significant expenditure of corporate assets in defense, and may result in fines, penalties, and damages;
5. The apparent violations may result in civil litigation or criminal enforcement, which may also result in fines, penalties, and damages.
99.1 Letter from Stoecklein Law Group to Beckstead and Watts, LLP dated July 28, 2005.
99.2 Letter from Beckstead and Watts, LLP dated July 28, 2005
SIGNATURES
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the Registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
CMKM DIAMONDS, INC.
By: /s/ Urban Casavant
Urban Casavant, President and Chief Executive Officer
Date: August 1, 2005
Posted by bill1352 on :
well, well, well...i think the OG should pitch in to buy good old UC some soap on a rope...wouldn't want him to drop a bar & have Big Bubbu get too freindly.
Posted by bill1352 on :
There was more....lol by the way this is new...just out.
July 28, 2005
Mr. Urban Casavant
CEO and Director
CMKM Diamonds,
4760 S. Pecos Road, Ste. 211
Las Vegas, NV 89121
Mr. Robert Maheu
Chair of the Audit Committee and Director
CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
4760 S. Pecos Road, Ste. 211
Las Vegas, NV 89121
Gentlemen:
You are, to our knowledge, the directors of CMKM Diamonds, Inc, ("CMKM"), a company whose common stock is registered under the Securities Exchange Act of I934 (the "1934 Act") and is trading on the over-the-counter market (quoted on the pink sheets). This firm was appointed as auditors for CMKM on July 11, 2005 (announced in a Form 8-K filed by CMKM on July 15. 2005).
We received a letter from your counsel, Donald J. Stoecklein, Esq. of Stoecklein Law Group, dated July 28, 2005. That letter contains a number of misstatements and misunderstandings. It is our intention to resolve those matters in this letter and to provide you notification as required by Section 10A of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "1934 Act").
First, and among the most important of all, is his statement that CMKM is not an "issuer” as defined by Sarbanes-Oxley and therefore is not subject to the provisions of that act or the SEC reporting requirements following the initial Form 15 filing on July 22, 2003. On February 17, 2005, CMKM filed an amendment to that Form 15 which stated very clearly:
This Amendment No, 1 to Form 15 is being filed to amend the Form 15 initially filed on July 22, 2003 (the "Original Filing"), with the Securities and Exchange Commission In order to revoke the Original Filing. As of the date of the Original Filing Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. had approximately 698 stockholders of record, thereby making the use of Form 15 inapplicable.
The Original Filing is hereby superseded and revoked with respect to the information set forth in this Amendment No. 1. Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. will be required to submit filings under Section 12g of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended.
With the original Form 15 inapplicable, it is clear that CMKM was and remained an issuer for the purposes of Sarbanes-Oxley and the filing requirements of the 1934 Act notwithstanding the wrongful filing in 2003 of the Form 15. If Mr. Stoecklein will provide to us an unqualified legal opinion that CMKM was not an "issuer” as defined by Sarbanes-Oxley and was not subject to the reporting requirements of the 1934 Act after July 22, 2003, we will be pleased to review his opinion letter and consider it.
Secondly, we disagree with his understanding of our letter of July 27, 2005 and our engagement letter. We understand the word "termination" and we will account for the funds on deposit once our statutorily required services are completed as stated in our earlier response. Mr. Stoecklein's efforts to imply to the contrary are disingenuous.
As auditors, we are subject to a number of rules and regulations, including Section 10A of the 1934 Act. Under Section 10A(a)(1), in conducting our audit of CMKM, we are obligated to implement "procedures designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts that would have a direct and material effect on the determination of financial statements amounts." Should we detect or otherwise become aware of information indicating that an illegal act has or may have occurred (whether or not perceived to have a material effect on the financial statements of the issuer), we have an obligation to report the information to management and, if management does not take what we consider to be appropriate remedial action, we have an obligation to report the act to the audit committee. See Section 10A(b)(1) and (2) of the 1934 Act and the rules thereunder.
In performing our audit procedures, we have become aware of information relating to possible illegal acts, including (without limitation) the following:
We have received information relating to the possible improper personal use of corporate assets. Information we have uncovered indicates that Mr. Casavant may have caused CMKM to advance approximately $4 Million to the benefit of CMKXtreme, Inc. in the name of "promotion and advertising”. Based on the information provided to us, it caused us to question whether the use of the funds truly advanced the best interest of CMKM. Additionally, it appears that Mr. Casavant owns CMKXtreme, and that this may have been a related party transaction that may not have been presented to or approved by the Board of Directors of CMKM. We fully understand marketing issues raised by Mr. Stoecklein in his letter, but we are unaware how any such transactions benefited CMKM.
We have received information that indicates that CMKM may have made loans to its officers and directors in violation of the requirements of Section 402 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (codified at §13(k) of the 1934 Act). Our information indicates that Mr. Casavant and others related to CMKM may have advanced themselves undetermined amount of money without adequate explanation or documentation. Mr. Stoecklein makes the argument that, because of the Form 15 that was improperly filed, CMKM was not subject to the requirements of the Sarbanes-Oxley act at the time in question.
It is our understanding that Form 15 was not available to CMKM at the time and therefore was ineffective to relieve CMKM of any obligations. As noted above, we are willing to review an unqualified opinion letter from Mr. Stoecklein on that point.
The CMKM books and records are, at this point and time, unauditable because they are incomplete, and the records that exist have been improperly maintained. The volume of transactions via wire transfer and cashiers checks render the banking records inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter necessary to render an audit opinion letter, in Mr. Stoecklein's letter, he admits that CMKM was able to provide us less than 25% of the information that we requested at the commencement of the audit "despite everyone's best efforts." The unavailability of corporate records appears to be a violation of the 1934 Act,
including Section 13(a)(2) of the 1934 Act (added in 1977). Mr. Stoecklein raises the disingenuous argument that if the records are unauditable, how can we be aware of any illegal acts. First of all, having records that are not auditable is itself an illegal act under Section 13(a)(2) and other provisions of the 1934 Act. Secondly, the other information set forth herein was obtained from the records that were available.
In addition to completing what appear to be related party transactions without proper authority to do so, it appears that CMKM management may also have failed to disclose related-party transactions as required under the 1934 Act. Among the possible related party transactions which we believe may have been inadequately disclosed are:
Transactions with US Canadian Minerals, Inc.;
The personal use of corporate assets discussed above;
The loans to the officers and directors discussed above; and
Significant monetary and stock transactions with individuals and entities who appear to be CMKM shareholders and/or prior officers and directors of the Company.
Mr. Stoecklein makes the argument that there was no need to disclose these related party transactions because (as a result of filing a Form 15 improperly in July 2003) CMKM was not subject to the reporting requirements of the 1934 Act and, therefore, not obligated to disclose related party transactions, While this is an interesting argument, that is not our understanding of the situation. Once again, however, we will review an unqualified legal opinion from Mr. Stoecklein to that effect.
We have notified management, including the president and chief executive officer, of our concerns, and we met with CMKM's counsel as management's representative on July 20, 2005 to discuss these matters. We received no information to alleviate our concerns, and in fact obtained further information that enhanced our concerns. In his letter, Mr. Stoecklein makes note of the fact that we were invited to a subsequent meeting at CMKM's offices and chose not to appear. That is correct, but we also asked CMKM to provide us a written response to our concerns. We believed that a written response was appropriate in the circumstances and would have been significantly more
valuable than an oral response at a meeting. We believe that Mr. Stoecklein's letter constitutes a written response, and this letter is our response to Mr. Stoecklein's letter.
In accordance with the requirements of Section 10A(b)(A) of the 1934 Act, we hereby advise you that the actions we have identified (including those set forth above) may have a material adverse impact on CMKM's financial statements for at least the following reasons, although we are not able to quantify the amounts at the present time:
The related party transactions may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
The apparent loans to officers and directors may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
We do not have sufficient information to determine whether the apparent improper use of corporate assets should be classified as an expense or an asset;
The apparent violations of the securities laws described above may result in SEC enforcement action against CMKM which could result in a significant expenditure of corporate assets in defense, and may result in fines, penalties, and damages;
The apparent violations may result in civil litigation or criminal enforcement, which may also result in fines, penalties, and damages.
We are unable to quantify the amounts involved because we have not been provided sufficient information to do so, and because CMKM's books and records are, in their current state, inadequate and unauditable.
You should consider this letter to be a report under Section 10A(b)(2) of the 1934 Act.
Your receipt of this letter requires that you consider the requirements of Section 10A(b)(3) of the 1934 Act. For your convenience, Section 10A(b)(3) provides as follows:
Notice to commission; response to failure to notify, - An issuer whose board of directors receives a report under paragraph (2) shall inform the Commission by notice not later than 1 business day after the receipt of such report and shall furnish the registered public accounting firm making such report with a copy of the notice furnished to the Commission."
Section 10A(b)(3) (b) further states that "If the registered public accounting firm falls to receive a copy of the notice before the expiration of the required 1-business day period, the registered public accounting firm shall;
Resign from the engagement; or
Furnish to the Commission a copy of its report (or the documentation of any oral report given) not later than one business day following such failure to receive notice."
We would also point out the requirements of Form 8-K - that CMKM is obligated to file, within four business days of our dismissal, a Form 8-K responding to the Information in item 304 of Regulation SB. We were dismissed on Friday, July 22. The Form 8-K was due to be filed with the SEC not later than 5:00 pm Washington time today - and it has not been filed. Consequently CMKM is delinquent in its reporting obligations and, therefore, appears to have committed further acts in violation of the 1934 Act.
Should CMKM determine to file a Form 8-K, this letter should be attached thereto unless CMKM can provide an acceptable explanation to any of the issues raised and the requested legal opinion on the effect of an improperly filed Form 15. In your response to item 304 of Regulation SB, we point out:
Item 304(a)(1)(iv): We believe that there are disagreements of the sort that need to be mentioned in response to this item, as set forth in the foregoing.
We also point out to you that' Section 10A(b)(3) has a one business day requirement for notification to the Commission. Please let us know if you have any questions regarding the foregoing.
Sincerely,
/s/ Beckstead and Watts, LLP
Beckstead and Watts, LLP
co: Donald J. Stoecklein, Esq.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'd say somebody opened a hornets nest just to satisfy the OG. it has to be the only reason UC did any of this audit chit. he knew if he didn't the OG would look for his blood. IN BLACK & WHITE URBAN CASAVANT WAS PART OF IT!!!! it wasn't insiders doing others bidding it was UC all along. notice the term criminal enforcement add to it stockliens upset the the SEC was calling beckstead, what was the term legal used???... reasonable opinion???... i'd say the investigation is on going & somebody better head to S.A. soon or big bubba will be his new buddy.
[ August 01, 2005, 18:32: Message edited by: bill1352 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
by the way...i left the middle out...it was a repeat of the 8k filed last week....just so legal cant say i did it to hide the good stuff....lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
i like this line....
Significant monetary and stock transactions with individuals and entities who appear to be CMKM shareholders and/or prior officers and directors of the Company.
how many times have we heard about bashers being chased down for comments about UC being a crook. i was banned from a site because i said UC cheated shareholders & would not delete that statement as i was asked to do in a PM. well i won't say for sure but a few certain pumpers might have a few questions to answer about statements made on boards. the last 2 yrs of CMKX math & joining this company to that company because so & so knew somebody once in another life could have serious meaning if they got shares from UC. adding IMO or do your own dd doesn't cut it because anyone that questioned these foolish statements was cut down quick or banned from boards by these same ppl thus removing any other IMO's or dd. just because they suckered, as Will calls it second tier pumpers like legal & wwjd in to do the same thing doesn't let them off the hook, it sets the hook. karma has a funny way of getting even.
Posted by Upside on :
Pretty damning stuff. Someone's gonna fry unless of course, it's all part of the plan. Urban raped the company and the shareholders for personal gain, period. That's all there is to it. There's no roll up or Euro trading or any of the other b/s that's being spread around. It's another scam pink sheet that they took to unprecendeted levels and they're now caught in a tight net and I for one hope the lot of them go down for it.
Posted by will on :
Daming stuff???
Wait, I'm sure legal has a a perfectly reasonable explanation or an apology to give, one or the other, and I think I know which it will be. Theory number 1001 being thought out by Dr. D and other winbag gurus, ready for legals repukefication.
Posted by legaleagle on :
No theory will. DD the business and personal connections between Stoecklein and Beckstead.
Posted by will on :
Appears to be warm and friendly. LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
you have got to be kidding legal. you aren't going to try & say they are in this together, that it was set up to catch whoever for doing what UC did?
Posted by will on :
LOL
Another "trap", another "sting operation". This is great. Whenever the storm clouds gather, it is some type of conspiracy or sting operation. Your credibility is shot, legal. Give it up , man.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
READ THE FOLLOWING AND TELL ME AGAIN THERE WERE NO LOANS:
2. The possible loans to officers and directors of the Registrant in violation of Section 402 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002.
The Registrant filed a Form 15 on July 22, 2003, which the Registrant believed suspended its reporting obligations under the 34 Act. On February 17, 2005, the Registrant filed an amended Form 15, thereby reinstating its reporting obligations under the 34 Act. Assuming the Registrant's reporting status was suspended immediately upon filing the original Form 15 on July 22, 2003, loans made to officers and directors, if any, from July 22, 2003 through the reinstatement of the Registrant's reporting obligations under the 34 Act could not be in violation of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, as the Registrant would not have been subject to the provisions of Sarbanes-Oxley.
legal, they as much as admitted there were insider loans from CMKX in this response.
That is a conflict of interests. All those transactions with affiliated people and companies were also conflicts of interests. They were also non-arms' length transactions that should have gone to shareholders for approval. Wonder what Nevada law says about such things without shareholder approval?
Yeah, legal, they said "if any". Want to place a bet against the probability they existed all over the place? I sure would like to see the terms of those loans should there be defaults.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i think your right Will...i think legal is the sting...nobody in their right mind can read all the stuff that has come out in the last few months & not know UC scammed everyone. he paid shares to get it pumped & thus sell 703 billion shares, pr'ed half truths to give the pumpers material & then did as he wanted with the cash. we now know what Ginger did for 20 some billion shares, kept her mouth shut. i'm bettin she is in mexico city living the good life. desormeau is in canada with a new name & the master plan is tryin to keep his butt out of jail.
Posted by bill1352 on :
and what are loans thru side companies that never get repaid??? MONEY LAUNDERING
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
This guy URBAN CASAVANT looks DIRTY AS ALL HELL!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Just as I stated a long time ago:
If it looks like a SCAM, If it waddles like a SCAM, and If it sounds like a SCAM......
QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!
The more that comes out the more proof that is there and that it is a SCAM of SCAMS.
Posted by bill1352 on :
shhhhhhh..... can you hear it????? yep the sound of a jail cell closing is unmistakable.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i wonder if they will let me back in pb32 now...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I sure as hell hope the FBI is keeping close tabs on UC et al.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
UC better be getting fit for an "chastity belt".
Judging from the size of that guy, they will like his boobs too. They will have him both ends.
Posted by ed19363 on :
DD your ass, I say get a lawyer to hang UC NOW !!! This is enough fiddling around. Nobody has anything good to say about him except the cult. Even his lawyers and accountants are turning against him. That was NOT a friendly letter. He apparently screwed us all so he could have his nice lifestyle and participate in his hobby. It's about time everybody quit lying and DDing and got something done.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i do think us bashers owe the OG thanks. if it wasn't for them UC would have walked away untouched. they forced his hand i believe. i'm wondering if frizzy flip-flops & re-grows his balls after reading todays stuff. beckstead even warned UC about hiding this as they did the original 10a. i'm bettin not long after cmkx is completely revoked criminal charges show up against UC & pals. & just like the Manson cult a bunch will be there yelling how UC is being wronged.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good, trustworthy Urban Casavant.....every sucker's friend.
Posted by will on :
Not to worry guys, they are hard at work formulating another even wilder asinine rebuttal to all this. Unbelievable, that they can go on supporting this train wreck. legal, debbie, you beginning to understand this stock play yet? You two see any negatives here, where there obviously aren't any. You sense your money is flushed. Show me debbie's latest post, bet she is still buying and touting others to do the same.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Once posted they put this in some kind of "complaint box" by some clown called "brain damage" instead of leaving it in the regular section(s):
"DENIAL!!!!! it's the first defense if you made a mistake.
We are all in a denial that we were mislead.....by UC himself ( thru his paid pumpers, we all know who they are). Rumors were actually encourage by CMKX management to keep the investors from selling their shares. Even CMKX IR person once said that all mone spend on racing were all from UC's own pocket....we should have known better that CMKX is the extension of UC's pocket.......
I dont' know what else to believe.....but all I know is that..... We still might continue trading BUT There will be NO CIM IPO, NO Short SQUEEZE, NO CASH Settlement, CMKX WILL NOT GO TO OTCBB and NO MORE DIVIES!!!!! MAYBE all Claims are all gone too!!! I'm not a basher... nor a disgruntled shareholder..... I'm just being realistic.......OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Needless to say, the cult members ripped into that guy above who suddenly became realistic.
Posted by will on :
I assume that is from another board???
If it is, I imagine they ripped his nipples, member, and limbs off, and tossed his ass in the street too.
Posted by will on :
So legal, you think these fellas have a nice close, warm, cozy relationship. Well, those kinda things usually come to a screeching halt when it comes down to the old, "his ass or mine" time.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: No theory will. DD the business and personal connections between Stoecklein and Beckstead.
Posted by will on :
Maybe Beckstead has a set of stones on him. Not like that mealy mouth attorney representing your cause. Steps up for a brief minute, gets a lollipop stuck in his mouth, then backs down like a punkass. Of course, he was satisfied with the explanation Urban offered. LOL Probably offered him some shares in his next venture.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Under the forebearance agreement you cannot reveal the identities of the "sellers" unless there is a case in a court of competent jurisdiction. Also you must make all reasonable efforts to prevent a case from going to court in the first place. Maybe even getting a couple of expensive auditors to refuse to do your books. Even auditors who may be friendly to your cause.
Y'all are going to think what you want. And that's o.k., it's almost over. This 8K gave us the excuse to withdraw the Settlement Proposal. Revocation is certain, but so is appeal. An appeal that will get us to a court of competent jurisdiction. Seeing the plan is up to you.
However, stop and think for a moment about those "loans" for which there was no documentation. If you were the only person in charge of your "home office" wouldn't you be able to "find" those loan documents that fell behind the file cabinet? If you couldn't think of that, I think Glenn or Stocklein could.
Come on guys it's gonna be hard enough to have to listen to your apologies, I don't want you to look like fools too.
Posted by Ric on :
I did like that part were the accountant says you have file the 8-K by this time and it better include this letter. Sound like a real firm who doesn't mense words or care to listen to company bullchit. By the book or you wish you did. lol
Posted by will on :
Right!
I'll feel real foolish, in a pig's ass, pal.
This isn't checkmate for you, there isn't any checkmate for you, you will continue to deny it. Games over my friend. As long as you're demanding apologeze, I will be expecting one from *you* !
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Here's another from that same forum:
"It shore does seem that weeza got scammed.... there are alot of unanswered questions...."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Did any of you notice the following from the auditor:
"We have notified management, including the president and chief executive officer, of our concerns, and we met with CMKM's counsel as management's representative on July 20, 2005 to discuss these matters. We received no information to alleviate our concerns, and in fact obtained further information that enhanced our concerns. In his letter, Mr. Stoecklein makes note of the fact that we were invited to a subsequent meeting at CMKM's offices and chose not to appear. That is correct, but we also asked CMKM to provide us a written response to our concerns. We believed that a written response was appropriate in the circumstances and would have been significantly more
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. July 28, 2005 Page 4 of 5 valuable than an oral response at a meeting. We believe that Mr. Stoecklein's letter constitutes a written response, and this letter is our response to Mr. Stoecklein's letter."
NOTE: In short, what he is saying is, "I don't trust you guys!". "No verbal BS, put it in writing."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal: "However, stop and think for a moment about those "loans" for which there was no documentation. If you were the only person in charge of your "home office" wouldn't you be able to "find" those loan documents that fell behind the file cabinet? If you couldn't think of that, I think Glenn or Stocklein could."
W: That's 1)providing there was documentation in the first place or did UC just take the $$$$$s and claim loans and 2)if there was documentation, that it did not go up in smoke in UC's new home's fireplace.
PS: And don't forget that Glenn's response to all that he accomplished was a one page letter. Had he bothered to search, it might have been 2 pages and much more money for him.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Happy days are here again!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
I agree with your sentiments Wallace, but Happy days are "almost" here. We'll see if happy for you or happy for me.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Here are a couple more from that same forum:
Re: any casavant phone numbers avalible? « Reply #10 on Today at 7:24pm » 911
Re: any casavant phone numbers avalible? « Reply #11 on Today at 7:25pm » Don't worry, he won't be in Vegas much longer. Or even the United States for that matter.
W: Looks like things are creating a bit more reality now.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal, those people whose posts I have reposted don't seem to be very happy. Probably due to some of your pumping?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
From a pumper on that forum:
you guys crack me up, two or three of you get it, the rest of you don't even think in 1D let alone a plan in 3D i guess you'll get it soon enough.
Two responses: 1) The "American Shaft"! budum bum. 2) jock itch
LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal, cannot help but comment on the following statement made by you:
"If you were the only person in charge of your "home office" wouldn't you be able to "find" those loan documents that fell behind the file cabinet?"
W: I sure do wish you would begin paying attention. Don't you remember that all they needed for their documents was a cardboard box? Just keep slapping yourself, legal.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Actually, I afraid to say, I think you guys on this board who think UC will go to jail may be as addled as Legaleagle.... Look at Eron, Kmart , and any other mega million COO, CEO etc, who never go to jail and even still incredibly walk with stolen millions yet in their pockets. No, no I don't think UC will get any punishment, he has too many people working the smoke screens and just may stay in the states just to rub it in. If he is anyway close to litigation, I'm betting 10 to 1 south america will be home. The SEC is a mess itself, so I don't hope for any real help from them with any of these shysters.
Again, as we pick our way thru the land mines and body parts of sub pennies, somebody still is manufacturing the mines and selling them.... then yet... another b o o m ..!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, is that the same office manager that sold shares for at least $4.6 million? ya would think for that kinda money stuff could end up in a cabinate & god forbid in some kind of order. according to your theory UC must make some effort not to end up in court. hmmmm, ya think maybe that effort includes keeping books & records? ya think it includes not funding meaningless activities such as race cars? dont ya think finding diamonds should come before the ad campaign? i'll go with stockliem lying, a lawyer protecting his client, nothing new. but 2 auditors lying, i don't think so. they didn't get paid enough to get their license pulled for a .00005 pink sheet stock.
Posted by Ric on :
Here another laugh. How can these people be so clueless.
I have not wavered AT ALL from my confidence level as it pertains to my investment in CMKX. My DD DEFINITELY indicates that "All is not as it appears" and that CIM has an EXCELLENT CHANCE to IPO with a multitude of dividends via CMKX (which can become a 10% heritage stock of CIM....and/or possible involvement with SGGM). The moral of the story is "This game isn't anywhere close to being over"...and I look forward for what the future holds as well as seeing this picture unveiled. To each his own (as it relates to thoughts and feelings) at this pivotal point, but I WILL NOT let fear and impatience get the best of me...and erase all that I know to be true in my heart and mind. All IMHO.
I sincerely wish everyone the best in all of their endeavors.
God Bless to all!
Peter (Dxild)
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ya know,.. it has occurred to me that the cult sounds extremely religious, whereas people with a religious mind set tend to believe in the invisible. This is called faith. The same people send money to certain televangelist that will remain nameless like Tilton, who blesses 'puffs' tissues and electric opens a whole dumpster of letters without looking at a single one, then asks for your last dollar so God can help you ... this is called stupid. The parallel here is staggering. I'm frightened for these people and what this mind set may yet do to other people. And bush is one of them......arrrggg
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, is that the same office manager that sold shares for at least $4.6 million? ya would think for that kinda money stuff could end up in a cabinate & god forbid in some kind of order. according to your theory UC must make some effort not to end up in court. hmmmm, ya think maybe that effort includes keeping books & records? ya think it includes not funding meaningless activities such as race cars? dont ya think finding diamonds should come before the ad campaign? i'll go with stockliem lying, a lawyer protecting his client, nothing new. but 2 auditors lying, i don't think so. they didn't get paid enough to get their license pulled for a .00005 pink sheet stock.
OK bill, one at a time, but only because it is you.
B) legal, is that the same office manager that sold shares for at least $4.6 million? ya would think for that kinda money stuff could end up in a cabinate
L) I don't have a clue what office mgr. you are speaking about now. If you are talking about Ginger Guttierez, she started off as PR for CIM, and I believe later worked with Desormeau. But when I was talking about files behind the cabinet, I was saying that if Urban had "borrowed some money from the company without proper documentation files, then his attornies would have told his to "find" the necessary documentation that had accidentally fallen behind the cabinet, rather than let him go to jail for it. Since they didn't, then I don't think he did anything wrong.
B) according to your theory UC must make some effort not to end up in court. hmmmm, ya think maybe that effort includes keeping books & records?
L) yes, that's why he hired and paid Desormeau as CFO. Remember that PR about the highly efficient financial network system that he was to put into place. Guess you'll have to ask Desormeau where the books and records are. The SEC didn't seem to have any interest in asking him.
B) ya think it includes not funding meaningless activities such as race cars?
L) Since when is effective advertising... meaningless. Shorty would have buried this company if it hadn't been for 50,000 shareholders.
B) dont ya think finding diamonds should come before the ad campaign?
L) And you know we didn't?
B) i'll go with stockliem lying, a lawyer protecting his client, nothing new. but 2 auditors lying, i don't think so. they didn't get paid enough to get their license pulled for a .00005 pink sheet stock.
I have a feeling that "Peter(Dxild)" identified above is that minister of the CT thread. He's quite a pumper too.
Posted by Ric on :
Someone asked what Debi said. Where heres her response. I just can't figure it out. Can't they read or is it a understanding problem? Did she go to special ed classes? I know legal won't like that but come on. It was in plain English. The JV's DO NOT HOLD 85% of the company. The master shareholders list showed that quite clearly. It's too easy yet these, whatever, refuse to look at the truth. They still want to live in the dream world they made up. The real truth is released and they just ignore it. Oh well.
Posts: 963 Registered: 10/12/2004 Member Is Offline
posted on 8/1/2005 at 11:14 PM
Hi Flyboy, Think if 85% of the shares get instantly nullified when the 14C group lose any rights to the claims.
Fixes the share structure real fast and at .0001 X about 570 Billion shares that will disappear ($57 Million dollars) makes the racing that helped bring in shareholders to buy the shares that shorty was selling seem like a bargain.
We haven't seen Urban's side of things. The auditor made some comments about the racing which were not his to make since we have counsel to help with those decisions.
Read the filing with the 14C to understand what is occurring. Read the PR's.
I am looking forward to the next moves.
IMO-Debi
[ August 02, 2005, 00:06: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
That advertising had nothing to do with improving CMKX's business operations which is what advertising is meant to accomplish. It was strictly meant to PUMP CMKX stock and it appears that UC and cohorts were the beneficiaries of that pumping. Remember? "GOT CMKX"? He was selling stock! It's that simple. UC had all the inside information, authorized all PRs and apparently used CMKX for his own personal gain to the disadvantage of stockholders. Those PRs were purposely worded the way they were released to benefit UC's and cohorts' intentions. People like you, legal, sucked them up and ran with them because of greed or because you were paid to do so in some manner, shape or form....or all of the above.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Did she go to special ed classes?"
Ric, I don't think she was qualified.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace advertising is designed to promote your product or service. Urban was selling chances to own a piece of a diamond exploration company. That's what he had to sell, and I think the races were an excellent medium for that promotion. And 50-60 thousand shareholders will attest to that. Looks like he did pretty well at reaching the masses, exactly the intent of advertising.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Well legal, when you sell interests in a non-existing enterprise, it's called a ponzi scheme or pyramid scheme. Both of which is illegal. (a pyramid scheme can be different from a ponzi scheme in some ways) Sounds like cmkx to me.
Posted by bill1352 on :
everyone is lying except UC & stocklien so to save cmkx uc & stocklien got everyone they thought would help to lie. 2 auditors lied, the SEC lied & didn't call certain witnesses. the master list isn't real, its old and incorrect, those ppl listed that sold bought back on the open market. stocklien lied when he said less then 25% of the needed info for an audit exists, in fact UC lied because he said books weren't kept. UC never signed the authorization of 779 billion shares, somebody forged his signature. cmkx knowingly broke the laws reguarding public companies to keep cmkx from being taken over.
the choices are believe that stuff or believe its a scam. now there is something that will take a lot of thought....lol
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Wallace doesn't think there are paid bashers but he thinks there are paid pumpers?
Comical.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wallace advertising is designed to promote your product or service. Urban was selling chances to own a piece of a diamond exploration company. That's what he had to sell, and I think the races were an excellent medium for that promotion. And 50-60 thousand shareholders will attest to that. Looks like he did pretty well at reaching the masses, exactly the intent of advertising.
chances? like each share is a chance? lottery? No wonder the rednecks have a bad rep. If they bought this, it shows a lack of brainpower. The only thing UC could have done worse was rope in the mentally retarded. Maybe he should have investigated bull riding, too.
Face it, legal, the only thing he has done so far was indulge himself in a hobby using our money, and call it advertising. Why didnt he advertise in the New York Times maybe? Could it be that they would have recognised CMKX for what it really is?
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Ed:
quote:Face it, legal, the only thing he has done so far was indulge himself in a hobby using our money
Now that's just not true Ed. We also bought him a very nice house, we've insured that a whole lot of Casavants and a whole lot of Casavant friends and relatives lead very comfortable lives, I mean come on, look at all the good people we've helped. Just gives you that nice warm feeling inside, doesn't it?
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Hmmmm...
Ed19363,
Strange. No wait, or is it odd? I saw you like two weeks ago posting on Pro - boards 32. Now you are knocking the socks off this stock?
Hot, cold, hot cold. That is how you are; pick a side and stay on it.
I do hope you sold your holdings and if so, why are you still here? lol...
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
I smell a lot of RoseBuds from Wallace, UpSide and Ed13963 today.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
This board has been great comic relief. THANK YOU!
I don't understand how the 'pumpers' really can believe in this company after all of the information that has come out (court hearings, etc).
I keep seeing people write that "Maheu and his master plan...." WAIT ONE SECOND.... did anyone read the court transcripts? What did Maheu say? Nothing!!! I'm sure he is a nice man.... who probably got sucked into someone else's "Master Plan"....
IMHO.... lol... I had to say that!
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by psychedelictrader:
quote:I smell a lot of RoseBuds from Wallace, UpSide and Ed13963 today.
Let me guess, you're one of those "If you're in you win, if in doubt, get out" kind of guys, right?
Posted by santacruzblur on :
One more thing.... I just wanted to create a list of 'key words/phrases' that we all hear from the koolaid drinkers:
1. got the goods (I really hate this saying...) 2. shorty 3. IMHO, IMO, etc 4. Master Plan 5. DD 6. paid bashers 7. ...he loses the company. 8. oil, uranium, gold and zinc. 9. diamonds 10. CIM 11. premerger syndicate financiers (I love that one) 12. International Terrorists (normally not funny, but funny in the context of CMKX)..
Please add any others (I know I missed a lot)....
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal: "Urban was selling chances to own a piece of a diamond exploration company."
W: Selling "chances"? What in hell are you talking about, legal? It appears to have been part of a pump and dump scheme every which way you look at it....from pushing the stock at races, from misleading PRs, from Melvin's statements, from Urban Casavant's statements and from facts determined and brought out by the Hearings.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Wallace..... I agree.
Legal, show us one or two other companies who promote their stock ticker symbol instead of the company or their products!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Upside,
"Psyco" posts over on pb32 (aka "pro"-boards, so you know how sad his position is)and often uses the words "Rosebud". Wonder if he is bright enough to know where the name originated?
Posted by Upside on :
I hope he sticks around. It's never a pretty sight when a pb'er comes over here for deprogramming but I'm sure we will all give it our best.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
He's been treated lightly so far. If he keeps pick, pick, picking, I am sure any one of a number of posters here will nail his ass to the wall.
Posted by will on :
ya think?
Posted by Upside on :
All part of the deprogramming and koolaid detox program that we offer.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Here's some real laughs for everyone from Debi (wwjdthrume). She says CMKX is a "when stock"! LMAO! How dumb can a person get?
Roger Glenn/Filing/The Plam « Thread Started on Today at 10:35am »
With all the gloom and doom a logical ray of sunshine broke trhough.
Back when we were non reporting and RG came onboard to help us file, he looked at what we had both in claims and paperwork. If we could never bring our records up to a standard needed to comply with Sarbanes Oxley he would have recommended a buyout or merger into a non reporting pink to get the company ready for later reporting.
That didn't happen. RG is not incompetent. UC is not stupid. Bob Maheu also knows what is required to file and what is needed for success. Since they didn't announce a change from non reporting to staying non reporting, or a reverse split to cut the number of shareholders to be able to stay non reporting, then the plam must still be in effect (even if adapted to changing conditions). CMKX is the one who started the SEC revocation ball rolling when they rescinded the form 15.
That is IMO-Debi Re: Roger Glenn/Filing/The Plam « Reply #9 on Today at 12:17pm »
I think the one question that is correctly asked is when. I see this as a when stock, not an if.
I was with you Plam up until you threw in the towel for UC. He saw it was going nowhere -Correct. He brought in a great team. Correct. Now it continues to be shorted and all hell is breaking loose. So did UC throw in the towel and give out shares like candy to everyone around him at our expense? OR
Did he receive value for the shares given? Did all surrendered shares get sold? Did any get bought back? Those lists are from last year.
It is possible UC paid for everything needing to be paid for with CMKX shares. He needed to conserve cash to avoid BK and have $$ to outlast the concerted Bear Raid on CMKX.
He has proven he could outlast them and avoid going BK. We don't know what he got for shares, what was sold and/or bought back.
We can trust that this team of reputable people are trying to do the best for us or just believe the team shorty sent in to part us from our shares.
One more thought is UC gave the CIM dividends to take care of longs so dilution would not harm them. The earlier investors got 1 for 1 plus a forward split of CMKX 1 for 1 and CIM dividends on top of that. They are sitting pretty.
The later investors (and I have added 100 million shares since Oct 04) have the legal play on the naked short plus whatever dividends will be dispersed to shaserholders including cash from CIM if that 10% dividend is followed through on.
We have the goods. It is too easy to see that. If we didn't we wouldn't be here and neither would the bashers. People fight for things of value. How many City dumps or landfills need security guards to keep people from stealing trash? Illegal deposits maybe. Withdrawals no!
IMO-Debi
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
How about the bit that she added 100 million shs since Oct.4th? Smart move Debi! Keep buying!!
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
"Here's some real laughs for everyone from Debi (wwjdthrume). She says CMKX is a "when stock"! LMAO! How dumb can a person get?"
Hey speaking of dumb things....
How's your wife Wallace?
P.S. Do not call Debi dumb, you seminal dumpster.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Wallace,
"Nail to the wall"?
The only thing I am nailing tonight is your xxxxxx.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
psyco,
"seminal" - having the character of an originative power, principle or source; containing or contributing the seeds of later development; Germanative, Original".
Little did you know the compliment you gave me by calling me a "seminal dumpster. Dumpster suggests a huge amount.
I "originated" this was a SCAM a long time ago...QUACK!QUACK!QUACK!. I have been the principle source of many of the facts showing CMKX is a SCAM. I have contributed volumes of DD to convince people of what CMKX, Urban Casavant and cohorts are all about.
THANK YOU, psycho!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Let's just see who "psycho" is, huh. I think he might be JBCak, byrdturd, blueeyed?, etc. etc.
If so I would like him to know that I know his address and remind him of the 2 threats to my life that he made:
111 New South Rd, Hicksville, NY 11801
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Debi isn't dumb... she is a moron!
She should probably be careful about her claim of buying 100 million more shares.... if it is false... she could be in big trouble.
Debi said, "We have the goods. It is too easy to see that. If we didn't we wouldn't be here and neither would the bashers. People fight for things of value. How many City dumps or landfills need security guards to keep people from stealing trash? Illegal deposits maybe. Withdrawals no!"
What rational business person refers to the success of their business by saying "We have the goods." It sounds childish.
Posted by bill1352 on :
psycho...to nail anyone you first need the mental capacity of at least a 1st grader. from the posts i have read, you dont qualify.
wallace i love how wwjd puts in the when cmkx was a non-reporting company. telling everyone you lied on a form 15 does not equal reporting. filing all required forms & reports equals reporting. to do this you need records, financial statements, you need, in cmkx's case why certain ppl & shareholders (paid pumpers) got free shares & loans. you need to explain why ginger (roger glenn stated she & desormeau had all cmkx records), an office manager earned at least $4.6 million. you need to explain the reason $4 million went to race cars & who voted that 1 in. you need to explain why gold bearing rubble was given away to pay past due bills when 703 billion shares were sold & the bill was less then $200K. you need to explain buying $60 million in gems & where they are kept. he11 you need to explain why the o/s is 703 billion & the float is at least 650 billion. after getting thru all those explainations you might be a reporting company until then you are non-reporting.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"How many City dumps or landfills need security guards to keep people from stealing trash? Illegal deposits maybe. Withdrawals no!"
And, what the hell does the above have to do with any stock? It is the poorest analogy I have ever seen. Guess she's talking about dumped CMKX certs that are worthless? I doubt if even she knows what the hell she is saying.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Quick question.... if revocation was part of the plan all along, then why would Stoecklein submit the petition on July 29th?
YOU CAN'T TURN CHICKEN CHIT INTO CHICKEN SALAD!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill, you stated "...an office manager earned at least $4.6 million."
I do take exception to the word "earned". All that takes is one or two minutes if it can be found and used through all the blubber.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Upside,
Do you have anything to say about the following:
YOU CAN'T TURN CHICKEN CHIT INTO CHICKEN SALAD!!!!
Don't I remember you having some choice words about someone's chicken salad. LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
That didn't happen. RG is not incompetent. UC is not stupid. Bob Maheu also knows what is required to file and what is needed for success. Since they didn't announce a change from non reporting to staying non reporting, or a reverse split to cut the number of shareholders to be able to stay non reporting, then the plam must still be in effect (even if adapted to changing conditions). CMKX is the one who started the SEC revocation ball rolling when they rescinded the form 15.
ya gotta love the brain power...lol since when does a r/s cut shareholders??? ppl held in Cede might sell but the shareholders of records stay the same...it cuts the number of shares. they still dont get it, i guess the SEC was lying & planted those letters questioning cmkx not reporting in december. i'm sure the SEC would have just walked away had cmkx not spoke out about lying in the form 15 in 2003.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by psychedelictrader: Hmmmm...
Ed19363,
Strange. No wait, or is it odd? I saw you like two weeks ago posting on Pro - boards 32. Now you are knocking the socks off this stock?
Hot, cold, hot cold. That is how you are; pick a side and stay on it.
I do hope you sold your holdings and if so, why are you still here? lol...
Yeah, I was banned from PB32 for trying to post with a modicum of intelligence. I'm not on a "side". I still hold stock in CMKX, but I'm kinda ticked off that UC seems to have used stock sales as his source of income. The shareholders, meanwhile, are left trading at .00004-.00006. Not really fair from a guy who touted his stock as the play of a lifetime. Only question left is "Whose lifetime"? Oh and BTW, if you dont like my posts, you dont have to read them, just have a sip of koolaid and skip to the next one.
Posted by justplayin on :
What will we do when this is officially dead???
Where will I get my daily dose of humor.
I am so depressed Posted by bill1352 on :
now wallace, you don't know...ginger might have earned it. she did lose all the records RG says she had. she did keep her mouth shut & may have disappeared so as not to be able to testify & who knows she might have been the sex thread needed to make a movie out of this.
Posted by legal1082 on :
I got a question...why is this thing being dragged out by these people if there is no hope? Either they are the stupidist people in the world or they hold hope where the rest of us can't see it. Just seems like a huge waste of money in legal fees, when UC could just take his winnings (not earnings) and run!
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Upside,
Do you have anything to say about the following:
YOU CAN'T TURN CHICKEN CHIT INTO CHICKEN SALAD!!!!
Don't I remember you having some choice words about someone's chicken salad. LOL
Fond memories. I believe the exact quote was "judging from the taste of my wifes chicken salad, she at least tries."
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal-
I recall you saying that you 'trust' Urban. Please tell me what he has ever done professionally that would earn your trust. I'm basically asking for references... because wouldn't you ask a babysitter for references if he/she is going to look after your grandchildren? Please don't tell me/us that you've done you DD.... please show us the DD!
I know Urban is an ex-prison guard (doesn't help him run a diamond exploration company). He ran a Uhaul business (ditto to my first point).
So what has he done (tangible proof please) that would make you feel comfortable investing your grandchildren's future with him???????
Posted by ed19363 on :
I think I would enjoy meeting this Debi person. She sounds like the type of gal that if you look deeply into her eyes, you can see the inside of the back of her head. Aint nothing there to impede the view.
Posted by legal1082 on :
Wrong Legal.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
WOW.... Somebody gave me one star! Anyone care to take credit?
Posted by Upside on :
Oh no, now we're going to have dueling Legals. Isn't that a song from a movie?
Posted by bill1352 on :
uc can't take the money & run...he bought a house, his name is on everything thus he is libal both civily & criminally. now had there never been a OG he might have gotten away with it a lot easier.
Posted by osnapd on :
Amazing even with all the information out there, people still are hanging on. To me there is nothing more that needs to be DD'd or said. Just make sure Urban doesn't leave the US and we know where he is at all times for when criminal charges come up. Also my god does he have a beautiful home, i google mapped his address and he has a HUGE golf course beyond his back yard.
Posted by will on :
Man, who are all these people crawling out of the woodwork today. LOL
By the way, wasn't today the day revocation was final?
Posted by osnapd on :
Also didn't legal/noahtl use to slam me back by saying the drag cars were paid out of Urban's own pocket? Guess that is a lie too. 4 mill he spend too .. amazing.
Leagle/noahtl do you have any factual basis to keep arguing or are you just the errand boy for the kool aid drinkers to spread their nonsense?
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Osnapd, I gave you 5 stars... get you off to a good start!
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:By the way, wasn't today the day revocation was final?
I thought it was today, if they didn't appeal. Don't know if they did or not.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, except for psycho, the rest seem sane unless I missed someone.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, where are my stars? Looks like that psyco zapped me with a 1.
Posted by justplayin on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Will:
quote:By the way, wasn't today the day revocation was final?
I thought it was today, if they didn't appeal. Don't know if they did or not.
Why would they appeal?? Wasn't it part of their plan to be de-listed, for the good of all the shareholders. SLMFAO
Posted by santacruzblur on :
They did appeal.... the OG website has a letter from Stoecklein revolking the settlement and stating that the appeal was sent in last week.
I guess we've got a few more weeks of koolaid induced delusions...
Shhhhh..... can you hear it? That's the sound of Urban's printer printing boarding passes to South America
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Hey, where are my stars? Looks like that psyco zapped me with a 1.
You're still holding at 4. Good thing I gave you 5 long ago.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Okay... so now I have two votes for one star. Anyone man enough to admit they did it? lol...
Posted by Upside on :
You're sure rubbing someone the wrong way.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Upside..... I know.... I guess I've pissed off legaleagle and psycho.... dang!
Posted by Ric on :
Wow, away all day and you all get to have all the fun. I think bill did this for pay back the other day when he missed out, lol. Debi being called stupid and a moron. Another koolaid cult member coming over to be deprogrammed. You got to stop this much fun on Tue/Thurs.
Welcome to the circus santacruzblur. Your post last page was worth 5 stars alone.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Ric...... thanks for the welcome.... I've been watching this board for months.... now that I've posted I feel part of a big disfunctional family. Pass the grits please.....
Posted by osnapd on :
Here's a dumb question.. what is CMKX exactly? Is it a corporation? If so doesn't he have to file taxes which list out expenses, profit etc? In that case the paperwork MUST be somewhere? Or is cmkx some other kind of entity?
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Osnapd, I gave you 5 stars... get you off to a good start!
And I just sent 5 stars your way
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Doctoall.... lol... do you want to take the 5 stars back? If yes, I don't blame you. I had good intentions....
Posted by ed19363 on :
Take all the stars, they dont matter. Just keep posting the truth.
Posted by Ric on :
Ed, now now, if you post the truth on this board then you will upset the cult. rofl
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Upside..... I know.... I guess I've pissed off legaleagle and psycho.... dang!
You don't have the mental activity level to "piss" me off.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yeah, you have to have the mental activity level of a somnambulist to belong to the cult.
Posted by legaleagle on :
But at least, santacruzblur, if you keep going you will have earned the respect of others here of like "mind".
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Quick question.... if revocation was part of the plan all along, then why would Stoecklein submit the petition on July 29th?
YOU CAN'T TURN CHICKEN CHIT INTO CHICKEN SALAD!!!!
Because if he didn't submit the Petition for Review, then he would not have exhausted all of the administrative rememdies required before you can appeal.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Doctoall.... lol... do you want to take the 5 stars back? If yes, I don't blame you. I had good intentions....
By the way cool mtn bike.. I was about to get one but opted for the Specialized 2005 FSR 120 (no patience). I'm still trying to get the hang of full suspension (5 years of riding hardtails - cannondale f600) and it really freaks me out haveing the back end bob up and down. Still hard to explain to friends how i paid 2,600 for a bike... oh well
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: psyco,
"seminal" - having the character of an originative power, principle or source; containing or contributing the seeds of later development; Germanative, Original".
Little did you know the compliment you gave me by calling me a "seminal dumpster. Dumpster suggests a huge amount.
I "originated" this was a SCAM a long time ago...QUACK!QUACK!QUACK!. I have been the principle source of many of the facts showing CMKX is a SCAM. I have contributed volumes of DD to convince people of what CMKX, Urban Casavant and cohorts are all about.
THANK YOU, psycho!
Well I see you had to "look up" the word, Wallace. LOL Keep that dictionary and thesaurus handy, huh?
"I "originated" this was a SCAM a long time ago...QUACK!QUACK!QUACK!. I have been the principle source of many of the facts showing CMKX is a SCAM. I have contributed volumes of DD to convince people of what CMKX, Urban Casavant and cohorts are all about."
Really into youself today Wallace. I was gone all day and missed the "coronation" and have to leave again. But I will return soon to aid in the celebration. Did all of your followers bow down and kiss your feet? Did osnapd return just to "court jester" for the ceremony. So sorry I missed it. Laughing as I go out the door.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: psyco,
"seminal" - having the character of an originative power, principle or source; containing or contributing the seeds of later development; Germanative, Original".
Little did you know the compliment you gave me by calling me a "seminal dumpster. Dumpster suggests a huge amount.
I "originated" this was a SCAM a long time ago...QUACK!QUACK!QUACK!. I have been the principle source of many of the facts showing CMKX is a SCAM. I have contributed volumes of DD to convince people of what CMKX, Urban Casavant and cohorts are all about.
THANK YOU, psycho!
Well I see you had to "look up" the word, Wallace. LOL Keep that dictionary and thesaurus handy, huh?
"I "originated" this was a SCAM a long time ago...QUACK!QUACK!QUACK!. I have been the principle source of many of the facts showing CMKX is a SCAM. I have contributed volumes of DD to convince people of what CMKX, Urban Casavant and cohorts are all about."
Really into youself today Wallace. I was gone all day and missed the "coronation" and have to leave again. But I will return soon to aid in the celebration. Did all of your followers bow down and kiss your feet? Did osnapd return just to "court jester" for the ceremony. So sorry I missed it. Laughing as I go out the door.
Court jester? James you sad hunk of garbage, you have any proof for any of the puke you swallow up from other boards and spit out here. You post page long messages all of which is nothing but contrived bull**** more crazier than an xfile episode. Now in the end with UC hiding all the paper work and the accountant calling them out on it you are still slurping up puke. Sad you are such a dunce.
So where did the money for the race cars come from?
Why did all the insider Casavant crooks dump all their shares?
Why did UC plead the 5th?
Why are PRs released saying they are working on filing back in 2004 and now its 2005 and still nothing?
Where the heck is the corporate offices? The body shop again or the local UPS store private mail box this time?
When citibank going to buyout cmkx?
When are cash divies going to arrive in the CMKX debit cards?
Where is the proof that UC was buying back shares?
How does a prison guard afford a 3.5 million dollar home when his sole business made no money?
Where is the clarification on the FIND OF the century aka Carolyn pipe?
Put on your dunce cap as you are the biggest joke i've ever seen and find it comical when you cook up more puke to post.
The next shareholders party should be at urbans 3.5 mil home and actually i remember a photo shopped picture floating around with all the crazy loons from PB32 pasted into the houses pic... lol
Posted by santacruzblur on :
legaleagle.... you really are pathetic. What exactly is 'mental activity level'... are you referring to intellectual capacity? Did you ever see the movie Beautiful Mind? The main character may have been brilliant... but he was also demented and dillusional! I don't think you are an idiot intellectually, in fact you are generally very well spoken at times. But you are dillusional and demented.
Since you've attached me personally I will do so as well. I find it VERY disturbing that you have procreated. The fact that you have children and grandchildren, who probably look up to you, is scary. Someone who believes this pile of crap is real (aka CMKX) AND keeps pumping it shouldn't be responsible for other human lives. You're poisoning their future with your idiocy.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
osnapd... congrats on a great bike.... full suspension is better than the koolaid idiots like legaleagle are drinking!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Cobra, where the hell are you.
Posted by ed19363 on :
osnapd, let me guess legaleagle's next post. All the answers to your questions can be found if you do enough DD. That's what he always says when he has no other answer to the questions. Told ya that gene pool needed chlorine....
Posted by bill1352 on :
sorry wallace but to be head court jester your going to need a better nickname then Shakeman.
Posted by bill1352 on :
cobra may have finally learned to read. it did seem he was cutting back on the kool-aide those being able to read might have let some reality in.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
For you information, legal, I knew what seminal meant prior to posting the definition....just had to make sure of the proper wording.
Yes, I do keep a dictionary handy. As a matter of fact I keep two handy near my desk ....abridged and unabridged.
PS: Any particular 4 letter word you need defined?
Posted by legaleagle on :
So sad, appointment cancelled at the last minute. Well Santacruz before you try to establish higher ground on who attacked whom,first, please scroll up and read your posts concerning me and my friend Debi.
I realize that you are deperate for friends, and that is obviously why you chose to start with bashing CMKX, Maheu, Debi, and me. Kinda makes you one of the guys here, huh? You can "chum up" with ohsnapd, that guy is one step from hanging my slashed up photos all over his darkened covert little room. He's been here under many, many names but his particularly putrid habit of attacking my disability has won him the respect and admiration of many here.
Yes this is a fine group of folks you aspire to emulate and associate yourself with.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...you know better then that..none of us old time bashers hold with attacking a disability on either side of the cmkx fence....now mental capacity is another story...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal,
For you information, legal, I knew what seminal meant prior to posting the definition....just had to make sure of the proper wording.
Yes, I do keep a dictionary handy. As a matter of fact I keep two handy near my desk ....abridged and unabridged.
PS: Any particular 4 letter word you need defined?
Yes "Wallace"
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hell, legal, the only way he could get your photo, from what I hear, is if someone else threw it into the trash for the obvious reasons. I have heard that you are not one of "the beautiful people".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Legal, no wonder you are having such trouble understanding the truth about CMKX. "Wallace" is a 7 letter word.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Not the way I say it.
Posted by Prdponce on :
legal,
For you information, legal, I knew what seminal meant prior to posting the definition....just had to make sure of the proper wording.
Yes, I do keep a dictionary handy. As a matter of fact I keep two handy near my desk ....abridged and unabridged.
PS: Any particular 4 letter word you need defined?
-------------------- A person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt a person accomplishing it.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Wallace#1: Legal, no wonder you are having such trouble understanding the truth about CMKX. "Wallace" is a 7 letter word. [/QUOTE]
LOL. This is funny...
Posted by bill1352 on :
quick question is that cmkx petition for review the appeal?? i mean even the cult thought that was weak. of course stocklien didn't have anything to work with since 1 board member took the 5th & the other didn't know if cmkx even had an office. still i would hope that too appeal any court ruling you'd need more the a 5 yr old comment. stockliem might as well have written "liar, liar pants on fire"
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal even allazz is 6 letters...lol
Posted by Upside on :
Oh man, the gloves are really off tonight! Have at it guys, this could be good!
Posted by legaleagle on :
And there's an "upside" to all this?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
How many letters in Debi, legal. You know, the one who says a reverse split reduces the number of shareholders. You two think a lot alike, huh. LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Oh man, the gloves are really off tonight! Have at it guys, this could be good!
Damn you, Up, always rattling the cages! LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
i am impressed with wallace having 2 dictionaries on his desk...i have an old book on mental diseases in the case next to my desk. i was thinking maybe the cult could use it for a little self diagnosis. tho this book maybe not cover their problem. it was written when the entire stock market didn't have 703 billion shares let alone 1 scam diamond company.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: How many letters in Debi, legal. You know, the one who says a reverse split reduces the number of shareholders. You two think a lot alike, huh. LOL
Debi and I think a lot alike but we do disagree. Like coming here. She doesn't believe that she can come here as a rep of Christian Traders with a moniker like WWJDthrume and take you guys on the way she would like and still remain a lady.
So you guys like to drag her posts over here and try to pick them apart, because you know she won't and can't fight you the way she'd like.
So you all pick on a defenseless lady. Very macho. You gotta be proud.
Posted by will on :
I am too mean spirited to join in tonight. As evil as I feel though, I agree with bill, handicaps are off limits, but stupid isn't. Be mean, rotten, and evil, but have a little compassion, very little.
Posted by bill1352 on :
UC could r/s CMKX so that for every million shares you would owe him 5 shares & the cult wouldn't get it. wwjd thinking an r/s reduces shareholders is par for that course.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"She doesn't believe that she can come here as a rep of Christian Traders with a moniker like WWJDthrume and take you guys on the way she would like and still remain a lady."
Hell, legal, she didn't mind acting less than a lady or as a christian when she was posting here. I doubt very much if she changed her colors just because she claims to be a "good" christian. That's all surface and phony sh:t!
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal since when is expressing your opinion unladylike? now if she can't refrain from serious name calling then christian isn't what she is inside. there is an old saying about if something someone says about your beliefs makes you enraged then its probably because what they said is true.
Posted by will on :
"So you all pick on a defenseless lady. Very macho. You gotta be proud."
Don't tempt me legal. Defenseless, she was as defenseless as a mother grizly when she attacked people, and just short of rude with her bible thumping arrogant ass.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
Something like "hypocrites"?
Posted by bill1352 on :
well wallace...i didn't have a dictionary to figure out how to spell hypocrites...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will, you are wrong about your statement "and just short of rude with her bible thumping arrogant ass." She went way beyond "rude".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Many of the things she said were no less opprobrious than what JBCak said. Just different words.
PS: Go look that one up legal.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:And there's an "upside" to all this?
Other than Upsides personal enjoyment, no, no real upside. Well, maybe to lay down the rules here about arguing and what is and isn't off limits. Even heathens have some standards.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Even heathens have some standards."
Now you have done it, Upside. You have suggested I am a heathen? And you, with your dogs and sheep? Geezzzus, man. You're supposed to be my friend.
Posted by will on :
I was being generous and giving her the benefit of the doubt.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: will, you are wrong about your statement "and just short of rude with her bible thumping arrogant ass." She went way beyond "rude".
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Now you have done it, Upside. You have suggested I am a heathen? And you, with your dogs and sheep? Geezzzus, man. You're supposed to be my friend.
You're right, heathen isn't a 4 letter word, LOL!
Posted by will on :
sheep?
You been stepping out on Rover, UpMan?
Ashamed to have told me about the sheep. This is the first I'm hearing of that abomination. Did you have a weak moment when visiting your grandpa's farm with the outhouse down there in Ohio?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will, can you draw me a picture of "bible thumping arrogant ass"? I find it hard to imagine that descriptive phrase. LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:You been stepping out on Rover, UpMan?
Variety is the spice of life my friend.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
My gut's busted.LOL,Ouch!
Posted by bill1352 on :
what is this world coming too...Will being generous & Upside calling us all heathens. i guess thats what you get hanging around a LOW rent stock like cmkx.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
On second thought, will, better not draw the picture in your mind. You would get banned.
Posted by bill1352 on :
if you can't get banned for "doin" dogs & sheep & guys wearin sundresses i think you'd be safe with a pic of a bible thumpin arrogant azz.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: How many letters in Debi, legal. You know, the one who says a reverse split reduces the number of shareholders. You two think a lot alike, huh. LOL
Debi and I think a lot alike but we do disagree. Like coming here. She doesn't believe that she can come here as a rep of Christian Traders with a moniker like WWJDthrume and take you guys on the way she would like and still remain a lady.
So you guys like to drag her posts over here and try to pick them apart, because you know she won't and can't fight you the way she'd like.
So you all pick on a defenseless lady. Very macho. You gotta be proud.
Defenseless lady? More like moronic, i almost spitted out bile reading her posts on pb32
Author Topic: Are you the dinner or the diner? (Read 261 times) wwjdthrume God of Diamonds ***** member is offline
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Re: Are you the dinner or the diner? « Reply #13 on Today at 5:22am » Since many longs are making dinner reservations as the main course, I thought I would encourage people who haven't read this thread to give it a go.
Read the 14C for yourselves. Read the PR's. Understand the various issues and how they play off each other. That will make you an informed investor.
I knew buying in that the share count was unknown and and possibly very diluted. I also know that at .0001 the company is selling for less than $80 million dollars. Still a buy even with 703 billion shares out. One good diamond find and move the decimal point a couple of places to the left. A penny? How about Uranium, gold, oil sands, silver, paladium, garnets, other stuffiums? What price now?
I'm in it to win it. If you doubt-at least read the 14C agreement before deciding what plan of action you personally need to take.
IMO-Debi Here is a link:
Hi, You can read the 14C by going to the SEC site or use this link via pink sheets,com:
speaking of bad mental pics...a reverse split that reduces shareholders not shares???? does this mean joining 2 or 3 shareholders at the ????? to create 1 shareholder???
Posted by Upside on :
Great, I'll wind up being Will's siamese twin.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"Read the 14C for yourselves. Read the PR's."
ya but dont read the court transcript, the master list, the documents presented in court or the letters from the last auditor because that might give you a clear picture. stick with the 1/2 truths in the prs and an old probably canceled 14c. funny, the master list is up to january 2005 & its old thus probably meaningless but a 14c from when 2003? is current & explains everything.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Why question UC and Maheu and all continually when they know exactly what we are up against and we don't?"
The above came from that url osnapd posted. That is one hell of a question! Brilliant!! Typical cult-like question. Don't question anything, just take the poison.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Great, I'll wind up being Will's siamese twin.
I'd like to see the two of you joined with Debi.
What a mental picture. Would Debi end up with the brains? NOT LIKELY!
I can just picture will's mouth going a mile a minute at her face.
Posted by will on :
"I'd like to see the two of you joined with Debi."
You are asking for serious trouble, my friend. I can only tell you, STOP YOURSELF, MAN. STOP YOURSELF NOW !
Posted by bill1352 on :
guys its much more sickening then that...for wwjd's idea that an r/s reduces shareholders to work it would mean cert holders get joined...wwjd + sterling + willey willy = a 50 I.Q.
Posted by osnapd on :
Actually shouldn't this be archived when it comes time to sue as its basically the IR pumping away with lies.
Posted by Ric on :
But she can go on the street with a naked plastic butt strapped on her and represent the Christian Trader. How funny. But what I find wrong about what she does is go to other boards and promote a scam like CMKX. And no matter what you say it is so obvious its not even funny. Thats purely wrong. I don't think a Christian should be promoting a highly risky stock that shows all signs of a scam to Innocent newbie investors.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: How many letters in Debi, legal. You know, the one who says a reverse split reduces the number of shareholders. You two think a lot alike, huh. LOL
Debi and I think a lot alike but we do disagree. Like coming here. She doesn't believe that she can come here as a rep of Christian Traders with a moniker like WWJDthrume and take you guys on the way she would like and still remain a lady.
So you guys like to drag her posts over here and try to pick them apart, because you know she won't and can't fight you the way she'd like.
So you all pick on a defenseless lady. Very macho. You gotta be proud.
Posted by Binky on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: will, can you draw me a picture of "bible thumping arrogant ass"? I find it hard to imagine that descriptive phrase. LOL
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I believe this thread has a pic of the lady in question that shows her BTAA more fully. lol
Check Ric's post below for a link to Pic. Thanks Ric. lol GLTA
Posted by Highwaychild on :
LOL, Ahhh. I remember uncle Melvin.His favorite quote I recall more than Mt.St. H., is CMKX is a pinksheet co.,,, We don't have to give anybody any info... or something like that.After all that's happened,lol, turned out looking like info. or else.
Will allways liked his good old buddy Uncle Melvin,Didn't ya Will?
Posted by Ric on :
I swear these people are sick people looking to start up drama for attention or some power fix in their empty lives.
Yesterday leageagle/noahtl/james and some other nut were busted on PB32 typing up fake logs of an ex-pro CMKX pumper George burns in Paltalk's chat room. Three pages of drama and posting and it turns out the whole thing was faked by paltalk admins which leaglenolife is.
uh sorry I need to redit: I find that picture so offensive... what type of christian or grown adult for that matter does something like that? Kids are out there running around and that nut has a plastic ass showing which makes no sense in the theme of nss
Posted by Upside on :
Well, if I wind up being joined to Will, I can only hope his head is attached somewhere around my waistline.
Posted by will on :
How bout if my foot is joined to your ass, pal !!!
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Well, if I wind up being joined to Will, I can only hope his head is attached somewhere around my waistline.
Posted by osnapd on :
2 Animate 200,000,000 406590 Alberta, Inc. 22,000,000 ABDU Trust 1,000,000,000 AG Edwards & Sons, Inc. 7,520,000 AG Enterprises, Inc. 20,000,000,000 Alberta Resources Consortium 12,000,000,000 Albert Finch & Associates 8,000,000,000 Allan Mock Transport 2,400,000 Barnett, Adam 5,445,918,000 Barrington Foods trust 200,000,000 Bedrock Holdings 15,000,000 BNY Clearing Services 4,361,272 British Columbia Mining Syndicate 8,000,000,000 Roadleaf Capital Trust 200,000,000 Brown Brothers Harriman & Co 73,230 Canadian Tundra Resources 2,300,000,000 Candove Corporation 495,000 Casavant, Beverly 150,000,000 Casavant, Brad 2,000,000 Casavant, Felix 4,000,000 Casavant, Harvey 4,000,000 Casavant, Kyle 2,000,000 Casavant, Marina 2,000,000 Casavant, Ray 12,000,000 Casavant, Ryan 2,000,000 Chen Trust 1,000,000,000 CMKM Diamonds, Inc. 30,000,000 Cohen, Anita 4,000,000,000 Computer Clearing Services 153,871,417,699 Consistorium Patruum S A 7,140,000,000 Dillman Investments, Inc. 5,000,000 Direct Marketing Sales 250,000 Diversified readers Services, Inc. 500,000,000 Docket Reporting Services 8,000,000,000 Doyle Trust 4,400,000,000 Duval, Inc 17,500,000,000 EJ Incorporated 500,000 Elan First Merchant Ltd 1,080,000,000 Elisuz Corporation 3,301,220 Englehardt, Jules 4,760,000,000 ETON Properties Corp 30,958,346,596 Fasttraxx Trust 200,000,000 Feasibility Studies International 6,000,000,000 Federal One Investments 8,180,000,000 First Clearing Corporation 1,124,070,187 Fiserve Securities 10,000,000 Futola Alloys, Inc 240,000,000 Global Securities 800,000 GM Steel Trust 23,850,000,000 Golden Capital Securities 251,166,660 Goldstake Enterprises, Inc. 10,152,829,472 Guardian Security Trust 200,000,000 IB 2000, Inc 1,000,000,000 Inde Enterprises, Inc Trust 327,000,000 ITC Trust 200,000,000 Jacobs, James 6,249,999,999 Jarvis Entertainment Group, Inc. 6,613,130 Jensen, Chris 3,624,345,000 Jon Di Properties Corp 6,940,000,000 JT Trust 1,500,000,000 Juiana Mining Trust 200,000,000 Jules Englehart Trust 465,500,000 Kenny, James 1,060,000,000 Klimick, Gary 1,500,000,000 KRKA 26,099,011,200 LaJolla Leathers, Inc. 80,000,000 Life Line Entertainment LLC 263,000,000 Life Line Entertainment LLC 17,080,000 Loan & Development Corporation 1,657,142,857 Lo Castro & Associates 1,361,000,000 Mac & Company 100,000,000 Majoref Corporation 1,060,052 Maple Creek Diamond Club 3,000,000 McIntyre, Ian 246,041,924 MCM Trust 1,500,000,000 Milestone Securities 800,000 Minerals West Associates 12,000,000,000 Minera Investments 50,000 National Clearing Corp 5,000,000,000 New Century Capital Ventures Corp 1,166,660 North American Clearing 1,500,000,000 NPJB, Inc. 2,612,375,772 Patruum Services, SA 6,000,000,000 Pershing, LLC 1,457,699,999 PTI Trust 27,715,067,030 RD Solutions 12,500,000,000 Research Capital Corp 502,000,000 Rick, Anthony 1,600,000,000 Rick, Anthony c/o ETON Properties 400,000,000 Shapiro, Joan 1,786,000,000 Shareholder Relations USA 7,295,250,000 Sonrae, Inc 10,000,000 Stock Communications Group 3,800,000 Stop & Co. 100,000,000 Supreme Promotions 100,000,000 T&T Equities 20,803,750,466 Thurston Property Group, Inc. 10,000,000 Tinto, Inc 17,500,000,000 Tobian Trading Limtited 160,000,000 Tundro Trust 4,600,000,000 Valley Capital Corp 500,000,000 Vidmar Limited Trust 3,500,000,000 Wiwchar, Barbara 828,000,000 Wiwchar, Mike 628,000,000 Yarter, Don 3,495,000,000
Geeze UC dumped much of the diluted cash into trust funds. Which in that case cannot be recovered as its not part of CMKX's assets unless i'm mistaken.
Just taking one at random Federal One Investments 8,180,000,000
2.4 million dollars in a Fed one investment. Christ!!!!
Jail time.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:How bout if my foot is joined to your ass, pal !!!
That would be ok. Cause then every time I got done doing my business I'd have to wipe your foot. I think I'd enjoy that, just keep your toenails clipped.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: How bout if my foot is joined to your ass, pal !!!
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Well, if I wind up being joined to Will, I can only hope his head is attached somewhere around my waistline.
Eloquent, will, eloquent! LMAO!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Will:
quote:How bout if my foot is joined to your ass, pal !!!
That would be ok. Cause then every time I got done doing my business I'd have to wipe your foot. I think I'd enjoy that, just keep your toenails clipped.
Damn it!!! STOP! I am laughing too hard and cannot breathe.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
That Debi looked like a real class act(or ass) in front of the DTCC.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:How bout if my foot is joined to your ass, pal !!!
That would have to be the ugliest, nastiest, most vile hemorrhoid the world has ever seen! Poor Upside dragging around a 160 pound rhoid known as Will.
Posted by bill1352 on :
the way some of these clowns think ppl were lucky the didn't have a bunch of naked midgets running around at the DTC.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I wonder if she would look any different if she turned around.....
Posted by ed19363 on :
Are we dead yet?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Are we dead yet?
Posted by Ric on :
Well from what I understand, the petition to review is sent to the commission and reviewed. They will decide if there is any error in the Judges ruling. If they can not find any then the final order will take place. Then an appeal can take place. The 21 days was the time frame in which the petition had to be filed. It wasn't the final order date unless CMKX never filed a petition.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Are we dead yet?
Posted by bill1352 on :
psycho...your not needed around here...its fine if your in the cmkx cult & want to run your mouth about that stuff, even a little personal bashing isn't minded but you do nothing but run your mouth at wallace. legal & wallace go at each other at times but you...your just a moron with nothing but vile spewage coming out your mouth. that kind of stuff isnt welcome on any board about any stock.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Bill, maybe psycho is interested in the winery job.....
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Who is this 'psycho'? I am psychedelictrader.
Bill, I am a 'moron'? Why because I do not do a reach-around on Wallace?
Vile spewage? If you think my five posts have been 'vile' you are a weak-minded person. Comical indeed.
I also find it hard to accept that Wallace has been here for OVER a year now, daily. WTF?
This from the one who said he was dying, if I recall when JCB47 and Wallace were fighting.
Strange that a dying person would spend his days on 'Allstocks'.
We may be drinking from the Kool-Aid but at least my mouth is not wrapped around Wallace's manhood like some other posters on this forum.
I rather drink kool-aid than wallace's DNA. Posted by ed19363 on :
psyche...psycho....same difference
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Ed: You are either a retard or a retad.
You do know what the term: "Psychedelic" means right? lol...
And it isn't the 'same difference'.
Posted by ed19363 on :
It is where you are concerned. I know psychedelic and I know psychotic. Either way the "psych" part has to do with your brain, or, in your case, the lack thereof. Thanks for stopping by, come back when you have more cult puke to spill.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
psyco, is most definitely following in the previous footsteps of JBCak, byrdturd,etc. It won't take long for him to be banned.
There is also another way to prevent him from posting his swill. Have his internet provider cut him off the system....and I know JBCak's internet provider too. Then, he won't even have an internet connection.
Of course, the cops might be knocking on his door at any time now.
PS: Oh, I forgot, "on his momma's door". Little boy still lives at home.
Posted by bill1352 on :
psycho...i said about the same thing to someone that was yappin that chit at legal yesterday. cult or basher questioning the others mental abilities is sort of a given when it comes to cmkx & the surrounding soap opera. but to go after someone's health problems crosses the line PERIOD. the differance between cult & basher has nothing to do with personal issues. its true bashers go after the cult & cult after basher at times things are said that are not very kind. on THIS board bashers slap around bashers also, its done in fun & not a mean spirit. you on the other hand spew chit in a mean spirit. bashers in here have gone after some of the paid pumpers but its because we believe they have caused a great many to lose a large amount of cash on a scam. and yes there are paid pumpers, they admit it & the master list proves it.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by psychedelictrader: Ed: You are either a retard or a retad.
You do know what the term: "Psychedelic" means right? lol...
And it isn't the 'same difference'.
Its what you call drinking to much kool aid
Ohh Yeah!
Posted by legaleagle on :
See I missed another day of "blood sports".
Posted by forfun on :
Are we dead yet?
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Wallace,
I am Psyche- not psycho or JCB74. Please do not confuse me with other people. I know you are somewhat of an old foogey but please, do not let your old age get the best of you.
It is PsyCHE. Not O. ~~Gracias, Amigo.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by psychedelictrader: Wallace,
It is okay, from what I have heard on some other CMKX message boards is that YOUR screen name has been targeted by a number of CMKX share holders for a possible lawsuit for liable against cmkx and their investment.
Also from my understanding, your screen name and posts are being readied to be sent to the CMKX OG lawyer(s) to be reviewed.
I hope your affairs are all in order Mr. Wallace.
in order to sue him? they will have to prove he lied LOL that's gonna be kinda hard JBCAK... his counter suit? that might be much easier to win esp. considering the Hick lawyers involved
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Glassman= Gooback.
THEY TOOK R JOBS!
Posted by glassman on :
they took ur jobs? lol, for Optimum internet access speed? i suggest cable..... especially if you live in a congested city, cuz phone lines get slowed down more than cable... know what i'm sayin' jb?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
psycho,
What makes you think I am the least bit worried? You, on the other hand, as well as anyone who perpetrated the SCAM and those who pumped and/or dumped had better be the ones to worry. Crawl back into your little brown hole, JBCak (aka psycho, byrdturd, blueyed...,etc.,etc.), banned many, many times.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: they took ur jobs? lol, for Optimum internet access speed? i suggest cable..... especially if you live in a congested city, cuz phone lines get slowed down more than cable... know what i'm sayin' jb?
LOL, Glass. I believe I know!
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by psychedelictrader: Wallace,
It is okay, from what I have heard on some other CMKX message boards is that YOUR screen name has been targeted by a number of CMKX share holders for a possible lawsuit for liable against cmkx and their investment.
Also from my understanding, your screen name and posts are being readied to be sent to the CMKX OG lawyer(s) to be reviewed.
I hope your affairs are all in order Mr. Wallace.
Please the 5th! Works for the crook Urban!
Posted by ed19363 on :
In order to prosecute for libel (corrected spelling), it must be proved that the perpetrator issued FALSE statements about the plaintiff. So far as I know, nobody has been able to determine if UC is a crook or not, but when you take into account all the PRs that were released and never came to fruition, you have to wonder. If anyone is going to accuse anyone else of libel, they better make damn sure UC is squeeky clean before they do.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Ed:
Thanks for the quick correct spelling on my mistake. I did not realize I mis-spelled it. Noted! Thank you!
Your 'scare' tactics Wall-ass are not working. I suggest you go for a re-fresher course at your Basher training school. lol...
Wallace, aren't you supposed to be dead? I am being serious. How is your health condition? I thought you had only like one year left, soooooooooooo, in theory, you only have like days left right?
Can someone make a website counting down the days that Wallace has left to live due to his underlying conditions?
~~~~~ www dot see-wallace-croak dot com
HA!
Also be sure to click on the photos of his wife! HOT! lolololololololol...
p.s. Again, PLEASE do not confuse me with these other people. I am PSYCHEDELIC. **I know you are old but do you have to be senile or suffering with dementia to boot?
WWW dot EUTHANIZATION-FOR-WALLACE dot com.
Posted by ed19363 on :
That type of post is completely uncalled-for. Shame on you, psych.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
psycho, sicko, JBCak.
Posted by stockster5 on :
PsychEE, ..psychO,.. doesn't matter... Psyc... you ARE a PSYCHO. With the mentality of what..?..12 ...13 . Do everybody a favor and get the hell off this board. Even I can see this, and I'm not a regular on this board.
You guys are talking about splits...I mentioned that 12 pages ago. When a 1 to 1000 R split happens you just reduced small investors holdings to nickles. And the company walks with peoples initial investments to boot. check this link to see how this works..---> http://www.geocities.com/p2saup33/index.html Posted by bill1352 on :
psycho...i'm leaning towards sicko....wallace i'm jealous, i only got banned from pb32. they sent your stuff to frizzy??? some guys have all the luck. Ric, Will, Upside, Ed...lets hope we at least get an honorable mention in those letters to frizzy.
Posted by Ric on :
I have already sent a couple to Frizzell myself. I am sure he already knows me with copies to the SEC.
Posted by bill1352 on :
just not the same as having the cult crying about your posts to frizzy ric...lol sorry man but not even getting banned by the cult can equal that....lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
Remembering the $4 Millon to CMKXtreme. Then read this filing from CSII. And don't forget $1 Million to Crystalix
In November 2004, the Company entered into a Stock Purchase Agreement (the "Agreement") with a private investor, CMKX-treme, Inc. Pursuant to the Agreement, CMKX-treme, Inc. agreed to purchase 12.5 million shares of common stock for a purchase price of $1.75 million. Under the terms of the Agreement, CMKX-treme, Inc. initially purchased 3,571,428 shares of common stock for $0.5 million, and it was required to purchase the remaining 8,928,572 shares of common stock for $1.25 million by December 31, 2004. As of March 17, 2005, CMKX-treme, Inc. remitted final payment for the remaining 8,928,572 shares.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal cmkxtreme is a private company that you do not own a part of. the company i ran for 8 yrs did the same thing. the owner bought stocks with company profits thus the private company owned the stock yet 1 month ago they still closed their doors. sort of like UC not able to pay the second half of this yrs car endorsement. cmkxtreme buying stock with cmkx money is not a good thing. and according to stocklien that $4 million was for an ad campaign not investment. the tax deduction for ad's is good. investing is not deductable unless you sell & its a loss something cmkx owners will be very familiar with very soon.
Posted by osnapd on :
Melvin said that at a CMKM drilling site, company employees could hear the voice of Shore Gold employees working in Kimberlite. Melvin later stated that this was never said.
2. Melvin said on internet radio that the O/S was nowhere near 400 billion.
3. Urban told Ed Miller that we would be very happy with the O/S total. When the O/S was revealed as 703 billion, Ed removed the "stock play of a lifetime" tag permanently.
4. Melvin stated that Urban wanted us to know that no CMKM money was being used for the race cars. It turns out that our money was in fact being used for advertising to sell shares.
5. Andy said that the filings were going to the auditor last March. Andy said that the lawyers told him this, and that was a complete lie from the lawyers.
6. Urban said we were getting close to filing last October. When the accountants don't even have the paperwork necessary, how could Urban have stated this?
7. Urban promised to communicate with us better when Maheu took the job. That turns out to be yet another broken promise.
8. The company has maintained that naked shorting is the reason for our current PPS. Pedro's information obtained through the FOIA shows that when the shares totals are reconciled, dilution is our problem, not naked shorting.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES THE FOLLOWING QUESTION- The SEC knows our current share structure. Why isn't CMKX on the SHO list if we are naked shorted?
9. The biggest of all for me- Urban broke the law by not keeping proper records, and he will be charged by the SEC, imo. When he took the job as CEO, he made an implicit promise to protect the financial interests of the shareholders. He broke that promise while he broke the law.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wouldn't you like to give proper credit for that post so that you aren't plagiarizing?
Posted by will on :
Becareful osnapd, your blatant acts of plagiarism will be reported to Mr. FrizZELL. You will find yourself in court.
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to appease the dumbass hotair moron chickenhead =============================================== I never paid any attention to Urban's, Melvin's or Andys personal statements. so i was never disappointed when their prognostications never materialized.
What i found more annoying were the PR's.
The Green lake Drilling Pr's (4) only to be rescinded later.
The Jade PR's (2) only to discover the deal never took place (maybe)
Share retirement Pr's - 9/30/2003 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 6 Billion CMKM Shares - 10/10/2003 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 9,020,371,427 CMKM Shares - 10/20/2003 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of Another 4.4 Billion Shares - 12/17/2003 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces That the Company Has Officially Retired 16.5 Billion Shares. - 1/9/2004 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 1.8 Billion Shares
Shortly after CMKM authorizes the largest share release in the history of the planet.
Pr's about the company to be "fully reporting". moving from the pinks.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wouldn't you like to give proper credit for that post so that you aren't plagiarizing?
wouldn't you like to refute those points instead blowing your usual hot air. I posted more 2 pages and your stupid ass as usual can't reply.
dumbass you just spam this board with chit you chicken head.
Posted by bill1352 on :
let me guess legal....you posted that on another board. Will is right, you are a basher hiding here at allstocks as a cult member to do your bashing DD. you haven't been swallowing the kool-aide just rinsing & spitting.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Becareful osnapd, your blatant acts of plagiarism will be reported to Mr. FrizZELL. You will find yourself in court.
"I plead the fif! I plead the fif! Five! One two three four fiiiiiiiiiif! Anything you say fiiiiiiiiiif!"
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Re: Disinformation from Urban « Reply #39 on Today at 10:39am » And let me throw this little tidbit out there since I'm venting today.
There were 2 or 3 days of debate as to where our company office was located (on this board). After getting sick of reading all the stuff that nobody could find "nuttin", I CALLED ANDY PERSONALLY asking where the place is. HE TOLD ME GO SOUTH on whatever the hell that street was.
Oh yea, if I didn't mention it.........ANOTHER LIE.
Yea, I got no right to be pissed or question things now.
STILL freakin all or nothing...............cause WTF. Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: psycho...i'm leaning towards sicko....wallace i'm jealous, i only got banned from pb32. they sent your stuff to frizzy??? some guys have all the luck. Ric, Will, Upside, Ed...lets hope we at least get an honorable mention in those letters to frizzy.
Hell, I don't care if they send my stuff to Pres. George Bush. I am entitled to my opinions and to my 1st Ammendment rights. Not to worry.
PS: Furthermore, I haven't posted one thing of which I am ashamed or which I do not believe is the absolute truth based upon all the information at hand.
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Re: Disinformation from Urban « Reply #123 on Today at 2:54pm »
Today at 2:37pm, CARS4SALE wrote: What I am still trying to figure out is " when did Urban have the time to go to each of your individual homes, point the gun at you and say"Buy cmkx or else?"" What is wrong with you people? If you made a bad buying decision at the mall, its not the store owners fault, its yours!! Grow up and face it, it will either work out or not, but you bought it on your own accord either way... if it popped, would you take credit for your decision then?
If you went to the store and bought a grab bag of candy for your kids, then get home and find out the bags are full of sand, is that the buyer fault? You think you are buying one thing, it is advertised as one thing, then after you buy it you find out it is not what you though you are getting.
It is all about how your product is represented, or misrepresented. Anyone remember the kimberlite at the races with "visible" diamonds? Remember "Eyes lit up like christmas trees"?
Give me a friggin break. We were lied to. Period. Unless I get something from the company that's what I believe.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Becareful osnapd, your blatant acts of plagiarism will be reported to Mr. FrizZELL. You will find yourself in court.
will, I suspect that Frizzell might have many, most or all of the same opinions that I have as to CMKX, Urban Casavant and cohorts.
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Re: Disinformation from Urban « Reply #137 on Today at 3:22pm »
Today at 3:17pm, CARS4SALE wrote: Simply put, the risks outweigh the potential rewards, don't they? That is a buying decision
btw-its nothing personal that I don't believe you
20 months ago when I got in this stock that is what I believed. Just like everyone else did. That is why there is a 2 plus trillion naked short position and 10 billion shares a day were trading.
If you had never been on this or any other board, and were researching CMKX today and had access to all the information CURRENTLY available.....................would you have bought as many shares you have now?
I'll tell you this, I wouldn't touch this one with YOUR 10 foot pole right now as things look.
I am amazed at the ability of some people to view CMKX information "selectively". How do you guys deal with what is put out there that is not good? Do you just say, ah, it's ok?
I've heard of selective memory, but never selective DD.
Posted by will on :
If he can read and has a half functioning bowel or brain, I'm sure he is of the same opinion, except he has to give the impression that he's CMKX gungho. That's how attorneys earn their living, defending loss causes giving the impression victory is close at hand.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
I don't think he is such a dummy. My reasons include that letter he wrote saying "Put up or shut up" and also the fact that he was bright enough to get all that info on shareholders in the event of a class action suit....and no matter who it is against (incl UC, DeSormeau, Glenn, Dhonau, Williams etc.), he has it. Remember, the rest of us have been hurt by what UC has done and I am willing to bet we represent a hell of a lot more shareholders than the 50K OG members.
Posted by will on :
I never thought he was a dummy. He worked the crowd like a master politician. Of course it was an easy crowd, full of victims he just had to keep with their assessment of the right villain, that being anyone but the correct one, Urban Cassavant, son of the expert pipe organ player.
Posted by osnapd on :
On pb32, they have a thread for "List all the positives about cmkx"
and thats it. Of course the super strong koolaid drinkers are attacking anyone that is negative with no supporting facts.
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Re: Truthful Information from Urban and CMKX « Reply #34 on Today at 2:11pm »
Today at 2:07pm, tramp wrote:
F4d:
trying times, tries mens souls.. myself, i believe, its up to you what you believe.. that i cannot help you with.
you been in a bad mood all day, so has canuck, thats fine, sometimes some have to vent.. but i will and always believed.
more quiet there is, more is going on, that none of us can see.. its called faith.
i don't care, bash me all you want.. but i will not move off my beliefs, miners stick together.
and that goes for anyone too. just so you know, those who believe, know where i am coming from, the doubters, the ones who gave up, and feel there is no escape, well just sit tight..
so feel free, bash me away, but i will not give up on urbie.. miners are like glue. we stick together..
Nice Sentiments Tramp, but try to stay on topic. You must have something to contribute to this thread, something that Urban or CMKM has stated that is both truthful and positive? IP: "
So in the end all ths positives are nothing but blind lies and byhlsheet.
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Re: Disinformation from Urban « Reply #151 on Today at 4:46pm » Just remembered another;
What about the core samples that were in safe lock up and the results would be revealed sooooooooooon.
that was a Mel lie.
You know...the one where the geologists eyes lite up.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: let me guess legal....you posted that on another board. Will is right, you are a basher hiding here at allstocks as a cult member to do your bashing DD. you haven't been swallowing the kool-aide just rinsing & spitting.
I thought he told the board he had 2 or 2 1/2 M shares ? He went on about trying to sell at .0002, and hit the buy button instead, blah, blah, blah... I'm too lazy to go back and look. As far as I'm concerned he lost his credibility long ago. One more inaccurate statement or bit of misinformation from him means little.
Posted by Prdponce on :
quote:Originally posted by will: I thought he told the board he had 2 or 2 1/2 M shares ? He went on about trying to sell at .0002, and hit the buy button instead, blah, blah, blah... I'm too lazy to go back and look. As far as I'm concerned he lost his credibility long ago. One more inaccurate statement or bit of misinformation from him means little.
No way all this pumping and time spent on this effort, for $1500 bucks, @ .001. Can't be.... The trip to the protest must have been more than that.. unless the employer pay for it... expense account....
Posted by Ric on :
Thats from the 2003 July master shareholders list were they had 698 shareholders of record. I would assume the koolaid made him buy more since then. Of course UC might have gave him pumping shares to. I would be mad as he11 if he didn't since Willy got them.
Posted by will on :
You do have to ask yourself why a mope with 1.5M shares is so supportive of a loss cause. What do you suppose his motive is in turning a blind eye to the obvious and pumping the improbable. Can he just be jagging us off with this act? Can he be getting pleasure from being an obstinate dumbass? Can he be benfiting monetarily somehow from someone? A dumbass like debbie I can understand, she has sunk 10's of thousands of $ into this pit. Somehow I think she will recover quicker than noah though. All she has to do is sing an extra "Jesus loves Ya When You Give" hymn at her husbands church and have him pass the plate an extra time every Sunday for a month, she might even get up on the pulpet herself and weep for the aids ridden children of the world or conflict diamonds and really ring the bucks out of them. noah, says he has a ministry, but not like the ones up in Connecticut, he probably has poor wretched broken down slobs, while she has the beef tender loin of suckers. Why do you support this loss cause, noah? What's your angle, man? I assumed you worked hard for your $200 or $300 you invested in this pos, but surely $300 didn't require that much sweat.
Posted by will on :
Correction , ponce, he bought at .0001 and .0002 according to an earlier post of his. I didn't go back and confirm that, but it wasn't near $1500, if my memory serves me right.
quote:Originally posted by Prdponce:
quote:Originally posted by will: I thought he told the board he had 2 or 2 1/2 M shares ? He went on about trying to sell at .0002, and hit the buy button instead, blah, blah, blah... I'm too lazy to go back and look. As far as I'm concerned he lost his credibility long ago. One more inaccurate statement or bit of misinformation from him means little.
No way all this pumping and time spent on this effort, for $1500 bucks, @ .001. Can't be.... The trip to the protest must have been more than that.. unless the employer pay for it... expense account....
Posted by Ric on :
254 David H OR 1 0 1 0.00000%
1 share and part of the master shareholders list, lol. Wonder what that was about.
Posted by Prdponce on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Correction , ponce, he bought at .0001 and .0002 according to an earlier post of his. I didn't go back and confirm that, but it wasn't near $1500, if my memory serves me right.
quote:Originally posted by Prdponce:
quote:Originally posted by will: I thought he told the board he had 2 or 2 1/2 M shares ? He went on about trying to sell at .0002, and hit the buy button instead, blah, blah, blah... I'm too lazy to go back and look. As far as I'm concerned he lost his credibility long ago. One more inaccurate statement or bit of misinformation from him means little.
No way all this pumping and time spent on this effort, for $1500 bucks, @ .001. Can't be.... The trip to the protest must have been more than that.. unless the employer pay for it... expense account....
WOW $300 bucks, He must be on the payroll... there is no other explanation.......... "Rational explanation" that is...
I am just being a jerk today. "Mending some fences" on the WDAM thread...LOL
Posted by TANGO42 on :
SO how many you guys on that "MASTER LIST" ?
Posted by will on :
I can proudly say, I am NOT, thankfully. I am not on any list, sold after the 10 day suspension was lifted, at .0001. The only connection I have with this pos stock is the worthless dividends laying in my account, that will soon be declared worthless, nul and void, and be tossed in the garbage with this whole putrid scheme. I assume you appear on it somewhere, and are proud that you do. Mind telling me why you are so proud to be included in such an "esteemed" bunch?
quote:Originally posted by TANGO42: SO how many you guys on that "MASTER LIST" ?
Posted by legaleagle on :
The Master List was from July 2003. I think most here remember that I didn't get in until January 2004. I have told this board how many shares I own, even though it was no ones business. And I haven't ever sold a share.
oh "my brain" snapd, knew he was posting a lie, because he, of all people, knows that I don't live in Canada. But he will stoop to any measure. Too bad so many of you keep entertaining him. I thought the worst of you were a breed higher than this guy.
Posted by will on :
Geeez, legal, I forgot how many shares and what price you bought them at. I won't go back and look. Even if your "investment" was over $300, it might have been $1800 or some amount close to that. I just recall your wanting to sell at .0002, and hit the buy button, then became an Urban disciple. I still have to ask myself why a guy with such a small investment touts this pos so heavily. There has to be more to it than you are telling us or are willing to admit. No one in their right mind would do what you have done for $300 / $1800, there's something more in it for you or you wouldn't be doing it.
Posted by TANGO42 on :
WELL the MASTER LIST made it possible for me to learn about the company. When that list was printed I was in for a paltry 2m. Then I began to see the JV'S and bought them Flipped ECPN 3 times in one month for $10k and bought some CMKX. Same with USCA AND GEMM Put some in Gold also at $260. All 80m shares are free + all divys what do I have to complain about
Posted by will on :
Really, it's ok, legal. I don't think anyone cares what you own, or how much you paid for it. For the amount of disinformation you post here any sober, sane man has to be asking the question, "Why does he do it". Most people couldn't own enough of this crap to have sold their credibility, dignity, and pride the way you have.
Posted by will on :
You have nothing to complain about, nothing at all. You did well. However, now that you hold 80M free shares of something that is almost worth what free means, you have nothing to bragg about either. Sorta like your ashes to ashes, dust to dust scenario.
quote:Originally posted by TANGO42: WELL the MASTER LIST made it possible for me to learn about the company. When that list was printed I was in for a paltry 2m. Then I began to see the JV'S and bought them Flipped ECPN 3 times in one month for $10k and bought some CMKX. Same with USCA AND GEMM Put some in Gold also at $260. All 80m shares are free + all divys what do I have to complain about
Posted by Ric on :
I love how people turn profits into free shares. Just think they could have been profits. But as far as the so called JV's. After UC gave them the shares for their worthless restricted shares, the JV's were smart enough to sell there shares as fast as they could. But the cult seems to want to ignore that fact.
Posted by TANGO42 on :
Guess you overlooked the gold profit 17 @$260=4420 17 @ 435=7393
Posted by Ric on :
Nope I sure didn't. They had to give them all to Nevada Minerals to pay the bills and 2 million more is due real soon.
Posted by TANGO42 on :
OH Forgot bought 100 sh of MRK when it dropped with the 2900 gold profit. Figure this room will be on heavy meds when CMKX hits.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Will, have you considered that what I bring to this board is "diversity" of others opinions. And sometimes, the "truth" that I have discovered through DD and research. You know, it's like my old buddy noah. He's an admin at another board with over 1800 members. Can you imagine how much private DD and information he collects from that many members, some of whom live in Saskatchewan and Las Vegas, Ecuador and DC? All over the world, Christian Traders digging and watching and listening and reporting. Accountants and lawyers and stock brokers. Law enforcement people and Private Investigators and Attorneys, all digging and watching and listening and reporting.
Posted by will on :
So, let me get this straight now, you do it to bring diversity of other's opinions here? That is your only motive?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: The Master List was from July 2003. I think most here remember that I didn't get in until January 2004. I have told this board how many shares I own, even though it was no ones business. And I haven't ever sold a share.
oh "my brain" snapd, knew he was posting a lie, because he, of all people, knows that I don't live in Canada. But he will stoop to any measure. Too bad so many of you keep entertaining him. I thought the worst of you were a breed higher than this guy.
legal, I distinctly remember you saying you had free CMKX shares. No way you could get them and have what is known as "free shares" if you hadn't sold some.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will, LMAO at legal's most recent post...especially about his "buddy" noah.
Posted by will on :
Regarding the "truth". I don't doubt that it is the truth for you and how you choose to process it and perceive it. I think there is something seriously wrong with your processing equipment though. Most of what I see you bring is convoluded connect the dots infornmation, names, deals, and reposts, then you interject an opinion, making it an assumption, conjecture, to fit the contention in your original flawed or convoluded "truth". I guess that doesn't make it untrue for you because you believe you connected the dots properly, but reality is showing a totally different connect the dots picture. Looks like the real dots are bigger and easier to see. So, I have to go with the "false" dots over your "truth" dots, they're a lot easier to see.
Posted by legaleagle on :
W) legal, I distinctly remember you saying you had free CMKX shares. No way you could get them and have what is known as "free shares" if you hadn't sold some.
L) Not me.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Don't believe you.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: So, let me get this straight now, you do it to bring diversity of other's opinions here? That is your only motive?
Have to confess, I have one other motive. No one argues with me at the other boards I post on. So I have to come here to get the other side of the coin.
And of course there is always being here to see the "looks" on your faces when the "truth" becomes known.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Don't believe you.
Find my old post, shouldn't be that hard.
Posted by glassman on :
LOL< the truth is known: the price is .0001 and there are 100's of billions of shares, and diamonds are worth less and less every day....
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal were you saying that master listed stopped at 2003??? there are sells on that list from 2005
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "So I have to come here to get the other side of the coin."
W: Got news for you legal. That CMKX coin has the same picture on BOTH sides and it is not a pretty picture.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I say again .... Legal is UC...............................................................................
Posted by bill1352 on :
when will the truth be known legal??? should i educate my 19 month old grandbaby about cmkx so that when she is in her 40's like me she can bash on here too???
Posted by stockster5 on :
who are all these other people anyways.....
Posted by bill1352 on :
i dont think so stockster...the dont even let ya have cell phones at the slot machines
Posted by will on :
Ok, so it is to present other's opinions and to have the pleasure of an arguement, and that's all there is to it?
I can't quite buy that, almost, but not quite. I like to be contemptible and argue too. I love confrontation, but again not at the cost you pay, loss of credibility, dignity, and pride. The price is too high for the reward you claim.
Posted by Ric on :
Maybe Melvin, lol but UC is to busy spending our money at the casino's and issuing more shares to talk on here.
Posted by bill1352 on :
face it legal...your a closet basher.
Posted by will on :
You might be mistaken about legal claiming to be in a free share position, Wallace. I think you might be confusing his effort to flip from .0001 and sell at .0002, to be in that position, but he hit the buy not sell button. Then he started doing his perverted DD and believed Urban to be a good and decent man, and he went nuts from there.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i still want to know why melvin wasn't on the master list. everyone that UC gave shares to was on that list even those that sold out completely.
Posted by bill1352 on :
wanna bet the in the next month or 2 stocklien comes out & says they cant find an auditor that will even return a phone call. blame the SEC for telling everyone to stay away & let everyone know cmkx has been forced to shut down & sell out all claims.
Posted by will on :
He was just happy to be included. He was like the kid on the playground that would give his lunch money to the "in" group so they would let him hang with them. He was a punkass, a good punk that didn't need a reward except to do Urban's dirty work, and be allowed to kiss his ass ever so often. I bet Urban used that punk like a kickdoll, just like a mean old farmer would treat his old mean worthless dog.
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i still want to know why melvin wasn't on the master list. everyone that UC gave shares to was on that list even those that sold out completely.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Ok, so it is to present other's opinions and to have the pleasure of an arguement, and that's all there is to it?
I can't quite buy that, almost, but not quite. I like to be contemptible and argue too. I love confrontation, but again not at the cost you pay, loss of credibility, dignity, and pride. The price is too high for the reward you claim.
The only ones who have lost anything are the people who sold their shares.
And really will, should you be the one talking about dignity and pride. Scroll back.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i still want to know why melvin wasn't on the master list. everyone that UC gave shares to was on that list even those that sold out completely.
494 Melvin O Canada 3,000,000 0 3,000,000 17,819,890,000 0.01684%
i think thats him
Posted by bill1352 on :
finally legal we can agree...how much pride can a guy that wears a sundress have...lol
Posted by will on :
Should I be, yea, I think so. I don't doubt you think I shouldn't, but that's ok. We both see the same thing but process the truth differently. You are a Christian and sugarcoat the truth. I have a completely different realtionship with a God, and it's ok for me to be insensitively honest. I assume you're referring to my post regarding your ministry and debie's ability to recover her funds. It's ok legal. Like I said you have no credibility left with me, so I have little to no regard for your opinions about anything, especially me.
Posted by bill1352 on :
to think they took a collection up for melvin on this board to help his wife. he cryed about how he loved the shareholders & would never do them wrong. couple weeks later he was history.
Posted by Ric on :
That to me is so silly. I always laugh when I hear that. You know what the only people I ever hear say "You only lost if you sell" is someone holding the bag on a stock that plummeted and refused to sell and move on. I bet that most cult members will refuse to write this off as a lose next year on their taxes. They will still be saying that UC will keep his promise soon. Clicking their heels together three time, there is no place like cmkx, there is no place like cmkx, there is no place like cmkx. But unlike Dorthy they won't wake up from there dream.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Should I be, yea, I think so. I don't doubt you think I shouldn't, but that's ok. We both see the same thing but process the truth differently. You are a Christian and sugarcoat the truth. I have a completely different realtionship with a God, and it's ok for me to be insensitively honest. I assume you're referring to my post regarding your ministry and debie's ability to recover her funds. It's ok legal. Like I said you have no credibility left with me, so I have little to no regard for your opinions about anything, especially me.
Really will it has more to do with posts about beastiality, homosexuality, etc. etc.
Debi and I can take the personal bashing.
I notice you have a relationship with "A" God. Are they listed in the Yellow Pages?
Posted by will on :
Oh legal, you're just an old prudish stick in the mud. I don't really subscribe to beastiality and homosexuality. Although, I don't recall any homosexuality things I posted, I could have. Hey when it comes to personal choices for people, I'm a libertarian let them do what they want. It isnt my job to police people's perversities. I think the spirit of those posts are humor. Sorry you take them so literally and see them as an abomination. See leagal, it's all in how *you* process what you see. A little twist here and a little bend there, and you think I spent my dignity and pride. However, your failure to have any of your hundreds of theories, touts, dreams materialize and continue to support this pos, and come up with new theories....well, 101 out 100 people would agree with me that you have no credibility and you are so far out there you have no dignity left. They see you as a fool. Oh, I forgot, no he isn't in the phone book, and doesn't play the stock market, or send the holy spirit to tell anyone what horse to bet.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Oh legal, you're just an old prudish sick in the mud. I don't really subscribe to beastiality and homosexuality. Although, I don't recall any homosexuality things I posted, I could have. Hey when it comes to personal choices for people, I'm a libertarian let them do what they want. It isnt my job to police people's perversities. I think the spirit of those posts are humor. Sorry you take them so literally and see them as an abomination. See leagal, it's all in how *you* process what you see. A little twist here and a little bend there, and you think I spent my dignity and pride. However, your failure to have any of your hundreds of theories, touts, dreams materialize and continue to support this pos, and come up with new theories....well, 101 out 100 people would agree with me that you have no credibility and you are so far out there you have no dignity left. They see you as a fool. Oh, I forgot, no he isn't in the phone book, and doesn't play the stock market, or send the holy spirit to tell anyone what horse to bet.
I don't doubt that will, I've seen the kind of people you hang out with in here. But you claim to see things realistically, so can you see that you are one of five or six people who hang around here and grouse negatively about CMKX. And yet there are dozens of boards out there who center on CMKX with thousands and thousands of posters who disagree with the very few who gather here? Now that's reality.
Posted by TraderTom on :
"Delusions", as defined by the the most recent "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (modern Psychiatry's bible):
"A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everybody else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (e.g. it is not an article of religious faith)."
I would say legal is delusional. The only problem is that the "subculture" of other koolaid drinkers accepts the same belief.
But seriously, one could claim that legal and the entire cult is delusional at this point. At some point, though, reality will become so overwhelming that the delusional system will break down = when CMKX suspends trading for good.
Posted by Ric on :
Its easy to have all like minded people on other boards when they ban anyone that doesn't believe in there doctorine. Sort of the reason most came to America to get away from that sort of thing. The only other board that doesn't ban people that think CMKX is a scam also has more that know the truth that this is a scam also.
Posted by will on :
I don't know that you start with a large enough set of people who have opinions regarding this stock. Of course the ones "stuck" with it are going to be wishful supporters, they are desparate. Now consider a larger set of people, there might be thousands and tousands of poster who support it, but there are thousands more that, owned it, sold it, or never touched the pos, passed on it completely. So, the ones posting and supporting it are the fools that are bagholders trying to convince themselves that they have a glimmer of hope when in their filthy little greedy hearts they know they have NOTHING. "us" 5 or 6 reality posters just might save a novice from being influenced by the foolish faithful.
Posted by Ric on :
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members,
We have confirmed with Don Stoecklein's office that a new auditor has not been engaged. When a new auditor is engaged, the company will follow the SEC rules and file an appropriate 8k. Rumors have been flying about CIM being registered in European markets. Mr. Stoecklein believes this must be another company with the same trading symbol. To his knowledge our CIM is not involved in the European markets. We have received many questions about Mr. Maheu's involvement. Bob is involved. Bob is providing input. Bob was out of town for a few days recently but is still working for CMKM Diamonds, Inc. I have visited with Mr. Stoecklein about the signature page on the Petition For Review. He has agreed to review any authority to the contrary, but we both agree this would not be a valid basis for denying the appeal or for denying the filing of the petition. It is not uncommon for attorneys who are out of town (Mr. Stoecklein was out of town on the date the Petition was filed) to have an office staffer to sign off on a paper that needed to be filed. This would be a highly unusual ground to urge for the dismissal of an appeal. At the very minimum the SEC would have to point out such defect and the company would more than likely be entitled to amend the signature. The Petition For Review is posted on our website www.cmkxownersgroup.com for those of you that are still wondering if we are going to appeal. The appeal was filed last Friday.
Onward,
Posted by Ric on :
Legal, you knew Frizzell put out an update on this way before this post. So what is your hope in posting this. If the company states this isn't us, we don't know what it is and you continue to push it as truth, then what are you trying to pull? Or is it the same story like the Padro posts. You can't handle the truth so you ignore it then replace it with the dream world of theories.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Counterparties Last updated: 27-07-2005
"Rumors have been flying about CIM being registered in European markets. Mr. Stoecklein believes this must be another company with the same trading symbol. To his knowledge our CIM is not involved in the European markets."
CIM isn't registered in Europe, Casavant International Mining IS. Watch the wording of an attorney trying to keep things from becoming public.
Or Stoecklein had been drinking. Look at the last sentence. "Appeal filed Friday". You can't file an appeal until the Petition for Review has been ruled on. All administrative remedies must be exhausted before an appeal can be filed. Until there is a ruling he's SOL on filing the appeal. Unless he's already acting on the "script".
Posted by osnapd on :
oi just revoke this POS and party like animal house at urban's place
Posted by Ric on :
Just seeing if this site post. Adding it to my dd site sheet.
Well had to do it this way.
Posted by bill1352 on :
one would think that after more then 1 yr of hidden messages being found by the cult and not 1 of them to date proving to be true they would get a clue & take things as stated. casavant international mining = CIM
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "I notice you have a relationship with "A" God. Are they listed in the Yellow Pages?"
W: What a dumb-ass thing to say! Legal, your God isn't listed in the yellow pages either. On top of that, you put "A" in quotes which is singular, and then, refer to "they" which is plural. Get with it, pal.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, I did take things as stated. Stoecklein was referring to "the trading symbol". Casavant International Mining has no trading symbol. I am not reading anything "into" it or "out of" it. I was answering Ric's question.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: "I notice you have a relationship with "A" God. Are they listed in the Yellow Pages?"
W: What a dumb-ass thing to say! Legal, your God isn't listed in the yellow pages either. On top of that, you put "A" in quotes which is singular, and then, refer to "they" which is plural. Get with it, pal.
And once again you jump without thinking Wallace, stating that he believed in "a" God, indicates there are other Gods. Without "the" God, there would be no yellow pages.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: And once again you jump without thinking Wallace, stating that he believed in "a" God, indicates there are other Gods. Without "the" God, there would be no yellow pages."
W: What a bunch of meaningless bullsh:t, legal. Why are you always out in the middle of nowhere?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: And once again you jump without thinking Wallace, stating that he believed in "a" God, indicates there are other Gods. Without "the" God, there would be no yellow pages."
W: What a bunch of meaningless bullsh:t, legal. Why are you always out in the middle of nowhere?
Have to leave the realm of reality and go out there to meet you. You started this chit hoping to impress your merry men, I didn't.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Can we stick to stocks and leave religion out of it?
Posted by bill1352 on :
your right legal how foolish of me to think that instead of typing out casavant international mining he might just use the name every person on the boards & in the OG use...CIM. nope couldn't be what happened. he had to be talking about a completely differant company. he just wanted the smoke screen up to hide the great master plans moves. the fact that to trade on the european market ppl here would have to open accounts there unless of course the stock was also registered here would have no bearing on any master plan moves.
seriously, we need allstocks to add some sort of echo function so that when typing or reading the term "master plan" it gives it the importance it deserves. it would be well worth it since cmkx isn't just any old sub-sub penny stock.
Posted by bill1352 on :
how many yrs is it that you've flunked kindergarden now pyscho??? 20...25??? maybe will a little help next yr you can move up to first grade.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, once again it is going over your head. Stoecklein didn't just refer to "CIM", he referred to our "trading symbol". Casavant International Mining doesn't have a trading symbol.
Posted by Bowes on :
hey guys, I want to create a group not like Shakerz where only the creator gets rich. Its called Liars Poker, name from a great book about the 1980s stock market and how crazy it was then. Anyways join up if youd like. I would like a bunch of members from this message board!here is the link to the group I created. remove spaces. http:// finance. groups. yahoo.com/ group/ liarspoker/
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Sorry for this long post... but it amazes me that Dr.D (and the other morons) still believe that CMKX is real AND that they could have a market cap of 1 TRILLION+ dollars!!! These people obviously don't understand stocks very well. I don't think the 4 largest market cap companies is the world equal to 1 trillion. You guys should see the 'cheering' Dr. D received after posting this email.
Oh, one other thing.... I don't recall anyone ever commenting on the Paypal icon (on the CMKXownersgroup) which says, "Help pay the membership for those shareholders who are less fortunate"..... DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? I don't know a lot of 'less fortunate' (aka poor) people who invest in stocks! Anyway, I'd love to hear some thoughts on this....
Here is Dr. D post:
If you are not a believer in CMKX then this may not sit well with you and you may not want to read it. At the risk of getting slammed, I think I will try and point out why I got on board with CMKX and why I am still here. Many got on for the quick dollar turn over on diamond news, others for the expected spikes on a NSS cover, and various other reasons which is fine and dandy. Then there were some of us that got on for the long term potential of CMKX, which is still in place for CMKX as I will get to momentarily. The pains we are experiencing in these incredibly difficult times are due to the circumstances that are surrounding the possible revocation of the registration of CMKX’s securities and the company’s ability to pull the records together to try and prevent the revocation from taking place, but this doesn’t make CMKX unattractive to me. JMHO of course. This is just my assessment and I don’t expect anyone to accept this as being true or a ploy to try and get shareholders to buy or sell CMKX shares whatsoever. Many have asked me why I have stayed on board with CMKX and why I am set in my ways when it comes to CMKX and its potential and this is a short version to try and explain. When I bought in to CMKX we had little to nothing in the company, but a whole lot of hope, a lot of claims, and a CEO that cared about the shareholder and was very confident that he could make this thing work. Initially we invested little (several thousand dollars) and we realized it may never produce a thing, but there was a high probability of a very high rate of return in the long run if she did take off. I won’t recap all of the early info we were receiving, but I will highlight a few comments from Mr. Casavant before the communications tightened up considerably to give you an idea of what we saw and seems to still be there.
Many of us have often discussed the potential that CMKX has through its 1 million + acres of mineral rights in Canada that reportedly has hundreds of Magnetic anomalies that point to potential kimberlite pipes as Urban Casavant stated, "These hundreds of anomalies have been filtered for elimination of farm equipment and steel buildings as a probable cause for such an impressive count of anomalies." http://fbruhm.********s3.com/index.cgi?board=CMKX&action=display&num=1107009805
Many think we made up figures for the calculations of the potential value hidden in the CMKX mineral claims, but here is the reason we focused our attention in the calculations that we did. Urban Casavant said our 1.9 million acres had not been assessed for “Real Value” but he specifically stated that smaller parcels of claims had a believed value for DeBeers of $40 - $80 billion. This was for 58,000 acres in the FALC area where our (CMKX’s) magnetic anomalies are located and although he said there are no guarantees he also went on to say the “likelihood definitely exists”. (Note: Likelihood means “probability”. The term “probability”, from the word “probable” means a likelihood based on evidence which inclines the mind to belief, but leaves some room for doubt; likely! This differs from something that is “possible” which means it is able to exist, but no evidence is included to build a likelihood of its ability to happen. “Likelihood definitely exists” means evidence supports the probability that inclines the mind to believe our claims can and will produce similarly valuable mineral yields. (See Below)
Chairman Casavant stated, "Our mining claims surround the approximate 58,000 acres of Kensington & De Beers. Recently De Beers purchased themselves back private, for a stock purchase price of 17+ Billion USD. It is a well known rumor in the area that De Beers tremendous expense of both time and money to go back private is a solid indication of the tremendous diamond wealth of the Fort a la Corne diamondnifrous kimberlites." Chairman Casavant continued by saying, "We have not assessed the "Real Value" of the 1.9 million acres currently under our control. It is also believed that ! De Beers may have mines on there smaller parcel valued as much as $40 Billion USD to $80 Billion USD. Although there are no guarantees that the company’s mineral yields will produce any such amounts-the likelihood definitely exists." Chairman Casavant went on to say, "If these projections are even remotely close, which we have reason to believe may very well be the case, then with the massive land coverage we have spent the last several years to tie-up at considerable expense, it only makes a whole lot of sense that the mines which may be discovered on our much larger properties will be a real force to reckon within the world of Diamonds. The Fort a la Corne area could very well be the most important diamond discovery of the century. CMKI has strategically planned more staked acreage than any of it's surrounding competitors." -end-
DeBeers claims are listed and contained within the 58,000 acres with Kensington in the FALC area. Based upon Mr. Casavant’s probability statements and known percentages in Saskatchewan kimberlites we used a “VERY BASIC” valuation method to build some “probable mineral yield totals” for these CMKX mineral claims in the long run.
We calculated for the sake of probability that “mineral yields” on 1.9 million acres of mineral rights with hundreds of anomalies compared with Ken & DeBeers 58,000 acres and smaller parcel with a believed value of $40 - $80 billion. We generalized a probable “mineral yield” value by assuming the likelihood those 58,000 acres with anomalies and still in exploration stages would provide a ballpark consistency value for our 1.9 million acres of mineral rights. DIAMONDS ONLY of course! Also one would have to adjust these figures for the cost of extraction. If 58,000 = a mean of $60 billion then 1.9 million acres of mineral rights which is nearly 33 times as large as Ken & DeBeers and with a 1:1 valuation CMKX could value probable “mineral yields” of $1.9 trillion in diamonds alone. If CMKX claims were only valued at 50% that of Ken & DeBeers then we would still be looking at $950 billion in diamonds alone. The very high probability of Uranium, Gold, Zinc, etc… would only add to the value. (Note: If 1.4 million acres is the new mineral rights acreage CMKX owns then the 33 times drops to 24 times the size of Ken & DeBeers. The $1.9 Trillion would drop to $1.44 trillion and the $950 billion would drop to $720 billion at 50% value of Ken & DeBeers) We calculated that with an O/S of 800 billion max then a $1.9 trillion diamond mineral yield could produce $2.37 per share if a max O/S of 800 billion. And $1.18 if CMKX is only valued at $950 billion which is 50% of Ken & DeBeers believed “mean” value. Kensington, DeBeers, Shore Gold, and others are pouring 100’s of millions of dollars into the FALC area where we have the largest staked portions than anyone else up there showing these major players have a solid interest in the FALC region. Based on Mr. Casavant’s statements the “likelihood definitely exists” for these “mineral yields” to be real regardless of how ridiculous they may seem to the skeptics. Factor in the other known minerals in the region and our current .00005 PPS sounds quite ridiculous to me. I know these numbers piss some people off around the boards, but to me they are not real, but only probable and if CMKX only yields 10% of these numbers meaning .24 to .07 cents per share then my children and my children’s children’s children will be financially taken care of for life. So I will not apologize for believing in CMKX’s potential. Right now we are looking at 704 billion O/S trading around .00005 per share showing a market value of approximately $35 million. Something is wrong with this picture and I do believe one day it will change showing a true appreciation for our potential and probable “mineral yields”. For the obvious reasons, right or wrong, I have decided to stay with CMKX and take the “probabilities” as they are.
If CMKX is revoked, we go private, or file a Form 10 to reregister, or roll over into another company, but we don’t go bye-bye unless the company bankrupts or we sell our positions… IMHO, if Urban was planning on ditching all of us then a filing to reorganize under bankruptcy protection along with a 1:1000 R/S would have taken care of all of us a long time ago and there is nothing we could have done about it. The truth is he hasn’t done that and there are no indicators that he will. He could have accepted the judges initial decision to revoke, but he hasn’t. Could be that the particulars of the 14C has something to add to this equation.
I know most got on board with CMKI/CMKM/CMKX for a fast trade and to make a sizeable financial gain quick. We all know that at times it looked like that was very possible and reports were that the conditions were favorable. We hit .0012 with good news rolling and the bottom fell out of the PPS. We all believed it was the MM’s continuing to NSS CMKX to protect themselves and I believe it was, but the fact remains that the PPS to this day has not recovered and is below .0001 even when we had buying pressure days of over 40 billion shares and nearly zero sellers.
A cover on the NSS position could yield some sizeable spikes in the PPS if we can get a cover. It appears that if Annette Nazareth, the NSCC, the SEC, etc… have anything to do with it there will be no cover ordered. The CMKX Owners Group has proven a NSS position, IMHO with a relatively low percentage of shareholders reporting, but still while we wait for regulatory assistance the pressure is on to revoke our registration. The fast trade and fast buck just hasn’t happened yet, but that doesn’t make CMKX a bad play today? Not in my book. JMHO of course. It has always been about the mining potential and the mineral yields for me and I’m not going anywhere, but I did expect as most did for the spikes to come long ago and the fast traders to make their bucks and go away happy long before now.
I could go on, but I won’t. I will take this opportunity to express my thanks to Mr. Urban Casavant, Mr. Robert Maheu, and CMKX for their continued efforts to keep the probabilities that CMKX possesses as a true living potential reality for all of the shareholders that stay on board. I have tried my best to assist many CMKX shareholders by answering their questions when possible, sharing DD, and any available information that may have been useful to them at the time, but along the way it appears I may have lost track of the initial long term goals that I embrace personally with CMKX. If I have offended anyone I assure you that it has not been my intent.
Information below is from the Home Page of CMKM Diamonds website. It shows we still have more than 1.4 million acres of mineral rights WITHIN Fort a La Corne! It doesn’t specify what we have additionally outside the FALC region, but it does show that the potential is still there.
http://www.casavantmining.com/index.asp Exploration is being aggressively pursued within the Fort á la Corne area in central Saskatchewan, where the company holds mineral claims to more than 1.4 million acres.
•One of the largest known kimberlite clusters in the world. •130 of the 2000 kimberlite pipes known worldwide are macro-diamond bearing. 23 of these are located in the Fort a la Corne district of Saskatchewan. •80% of Saskatchewans' kimberlite pipes are diamondiferous. •50% contain diamonds over one millimeter in size. •A high percentage of diamonds recovered are clear, inclusion-free and exhibit good crystal form. •Pipes said to have erupted under inland sea and therefore have not been exposed to weathering or glaciation. •Pipes lie within 300 feet of surface. •Area accessible by paved all-weather road, with water and power readily available. •Studies indicate cash operating costs of $10.50 per tonne, including overburden removal. •Saskatchewan government encourages mining in the province.
I believe CMKX is still very capable of being, as Ed Miller (GreenBaron) tagged it, the “Stock Play of a Life Time”. Sounds crazy considering our current situation? Oh well, that is only my opinion and I ask that you treat it as such. I still believe success is at hand.
Be well.
Dr.D
Posted by legaleagle on :
Santacruz, guess you skipped the opening line.
"If you are not a believer in CMKX then this may not sit well with you and you may not want to read it."
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal... no I read that... but he should have writtten, "If you are not a believer in stupid opinions or scams then this may not sit well with you and you may not want to read it."
You guys are all a joke.
Hey, have you given your kids or grandkids any stock picking advice? It would be great if you could blow your grandkids college fund on a stock like CMKX! lol....
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Legal... no I read that... but he should have writtten, "If you are not a believer in stupid opinions or scams then this may not sit well with you and you may not want to read it."
You guys are all a joke.
Hey, have you given your kids or grandkids any stock picking advice? It would be great if you could blow your grandkids college fund on a stock like CMKX! lol....
Glad to have another intelligent poster on board, santacruz. I haven't changed my opinion of CMKX in 18 months. Maybe you will be the one to do it. LOL
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal, I don't care about you... but please don't communicate any financial advise... okay make that any advice to your family. It innocent people that I care about.... much like most of the 'bashers' on this site... we don't want to see more people get sucks into this scam by people like you and your supposed mountains of DD.....
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yada yada yada...same ole same ole. From the top ten of pumpers comes the same old drivel. Just ignore the fact that it is trading under .0001, will be delisted in the near future, and hasnt done a damn thing for the shareholders in the last two years. Then read it again, and if you dont throw up, you have a very strong stomach.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Wow.... I want to apologize to everyone (including eagle) for my terrible grammar....
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Legal, I don't care about you... but please don't communicate any financial advise... okay make that any advice to your family. It innocent people that I care about.... much like most of the 'bashers' on this site... we don't want to see more people get sucks into this scam by people like you and your supposed mountains of DD.....
Another "messiah" come to save those who are not as intelligent and sophisticated as you in the ways of the investment world. I'm sure any newbie who comes in here will be thrilled with all of the "messiahs" condescending wisdom.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by psychedelictrader:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Yada yada yada...same ole same ole. From the top ten of pumpers comes the same old drivel. Just ignore the fact that it is trading under .0001, will be delisted in the near future, and hasnt done a damn thing for the shareholders in the last two years. Then read it again, and if you dont throw up, you have a very strong stomach.
Stop being a puss about things and sell if things seem that bad to you... It is a friggin penny stock that YOU invested in...
And don't blame pumpers, it was your money, your choice, you therefor took a risk.
Yep, and in 20 years of trading pennies, I have only lost twice, and CMKX is one of them. This from a stock that was pumped from day one in CMKI and hasnt done a thing. I'll sell every share I have to you whenever you're ready to deposit $200,000.00 in my checking account. Paypal accepted. This shouldn't be too hard to swallow for a TRUE believer in CMKX and UC.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...dr. d is so full of crap its not funny. that whole post sums up cmkx completely. hints at value, hopes it will happen, maybe it will be found and all the while ignoring unexcapable facts. you don't even need to get into any of the being revoked stuff to turn that post into garbage.
fact 1....its a long shot any of the cmkx claims have a parcel that holds the same value as debeers or shore gold. its next to impossible that they have 2 parcels.
fact 2....the cost of going from where cmkx is to bringing diamonds from the ground is huge. example, CGHI. documented not hope to find claim value of over $5 billion. an o/s including shares used for cash from loans of around 250 million. they are going thru a buyout to be complete end of yr at .60 per share. they do have 2 working mines bringing in money but the cost of getting to the real value is so great it cant be sold anywhere near that value. that $5 billion in claim value will be sold for $150 million because even with working mines they will never be able to get enough money to get to the real value in those claims. a major company with money is buying them out.
fact 3...703 billion o/s & about 650 billion float. no way to get enough money to do anything including proving any real value on any claim. because of no money there are in jeapardy of losing the 1 asset that might bring in cash, the gold shaft. cmkx couldn't even sell the claims for enough to give every share .0001.
all your JV connections are meaningless unless you have proof they give value to cmkx shares. you have no proof they even exist. even UC buying shares is no proof of value to cmkx shares & the only place that holds shares is cmkxtreme which is private & not part of cmkx. nothing anywhere says cmkx has value or can ever bring value in even if the o/s was realistic.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal, I'm not trying to 'save' anyone.... I'm trying to PROTECT them from preditors like you and that idiot Dr. D. Pumpers like you guys(especially ones that use Faith as a front) are not much different than child molesters.... you both pray on the innocent.
Posted by bill1352 on :
truth is only a few bashers still bring up christain ideas. those that started that stuff from the cult left long ago. i guess a few bashers have long memories & find the fact the cult brought that into cmkx very distasteful. legal, to his credit has left that out of his posts unless a basher brought it up. i do understand the bashers serious dislike of bringing that into cmkx. it bothered me when it started & i still had hope for cmkx when it happened. when you add the fact that cmkx has not been honest & has broken a number of laws yet those christain cult members still find no fault in cmkx it really gets under your skin.
Posted by Ric on :
Not sure about legal myself. I really think it is like a drug for him. He is so addicted that he can no longer see the reality. The proof is there and easy to see. He does come here and take a lot. But some that promote this stock seem to have pure evil about their belief. The level they will resort to new lows just to try and hide the truth. Yet none have any proof to go on and refuse to show any. Faith in a stock where it is proven the CEO has lied in the past and tried to cover it up. Important missing documents, and deposits and credits with no explanation of where the money went. There is a big difference in having faith in your religion and having faith in a stock. No body has no proof this company has anything. They talk of the 1.9 million acres yet no one knows for sure if we still own any of it. A gold mine that hasn't made the company one dime yet and with a 2 million dollar debt soon, oh well you get my point. But looking at the other boards, the truth is getting too strong even for the koolaid.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
All I have to say is that why do people hang out on a message board and make fun of CMKX, for OVER a YEAR?!?!
I see a lot of other stocks that are questionable yet they do not have mass bashers like CMKX does. I mean Wallace has been bashing hard since July 2004!! Lol... All that typing requires an extra O2 Tank.
I mean if the stock sucks, why are you here? Nothing ever makes sense with this stock! lol...
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
psycho,
Looks like your mama let on the internet again. Guess your mamma took custody of you when they let you out of the mental institution....sicko/psycho.
Posted by duediligence1 on :
Not sure what you are talking about. The other boards? RB has nothing but bashers of the stock and so does Ihub. The only place your logic works are on boards that don't allow someone to say their free will. So that statement is so untrue.
And by the way, why come to a board and pump a scam. This stock has been proved to be the biggest scam of all times. Yet you still come here and pump it without one post of DD or any facts.
All I have seen is personal attacks and ranting. Seems to me, that if you want to show that you are right then you would post something that proves it. And not other peoples posts that are only theories.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
psycho.... sorry I missed you when I was lumping all the losers together in my earlier posts.
Your insults are weak. Attacking someone's health? Wow... funny... not.
You are like a cancerous sore..... now where is my scalpel?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Most of us got banned from PB32, because those people just CANNOT stand the truth. All the pumpers hang out there, and they wont hear a negative thought about CMKX. Personally, I'll be happy when that board folds up. Any board that limits freedom of speech should be closed.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: psycho.... sorry I missed you when I was lumping all the losers together in my earlier posts.
Your insults are weak. Attacking someone's health? Wow... funny... not.
You are like a cancerous sore..... now where is my scalpel?
A Cancerous sore? Yeah well cancer is, at times, curiable, remember that! Your full blown case of Herpes isn't...
My insults are weak? If they are so weak then why even respond? For you to respond I had to hit 'something' so I would tend to think they weren't weak.
Attacking someone's health? He was the one who told us he was dying from something REAL soon, not me. If you even find an iota of truth in what Mr. Oxytank says/posts than so be it, but he is a fraud.
Skeet, skeet, skeet to you all.
Posted by duediligence1 on :
Psych
Why are you here? You seem to be a mindless attack dog with this irresistible urge to left your leg and piss on everyone.
Why don't you bring something worth while to the board before you start attacking everyone.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by duediligence1: Psych
Why are you here? You seem to be a mindless attack dog. All seem to have this irresistible urge to left your leg and piss on everyone.
Why don't you bring something worth while to the board before you start attacking everyone.
I am not attacking 'everyone'. I just find it mindless that people who don't:
1. Own shares. 2. Like the company 3. Think there is a chance for success
attack the stock daily.
Why would people who don't have shares spend SO MUCH totalled time over the last YEAR to 'discuss' this stock?
That is my point. We hear the same things over and over: It is a scam, UC sucks, they have nothing.
If they have 'nothing' why are all of you so busy posting 'something' about a 'nothing' stock...
I see A LOT of wasted time from non-stock holders who think this is a scam... That to me is funny because these posters spend MORE time than me or a lot of others discussing and frequenting the 'board'. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
I smell... I smell... I smell Bull-chit.
Posted by bill1352 on :
its a hobby psycho...we have become friends of sorts in the past yr, even the regular cult ppl. if you add that to the fact that everyone here has lost money on cmkx & still hold the worthless divys in our accounts you might get an idea of why we are here. personally i dont think a newcomer to cmkx would consider buying this scam. but cmkx has taught myself & others a lot about scam companies & what to watch for. now the proof its a scam is coming out & i wouldn't miss it for anything. not after over 1 yr of reading the cult theories & paid pumpers of cmkx.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Amen, Bill
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
psyco,
You enjoy posting redundant attacks and zero stock DDs. psyco/sicko/JBCak. What was the name of that grade school you go to and call a college? How old are you....and still living with your mommy?
Posted by bill1352 on :
i think the truth that psycho was suckered in by UC & pumpers has set in & his pride, if he has any, is striking out at anyone that is posting the truth. since wallace was among the first, he gets the brunt of the hate or self-hate if you want to get technical.
Posted by legaleagle on :
NOT GREAT, BUT A RATING NONETHELESS
Ludlow Capital Issues F+ Rating for CMKX Diamonds Staff Reporter Aug 05, 2005 - 3:30am EST
(NEW YORK)--Aug 05, 2005--Ludlow Capital, an investment research and consulting firm based out of New york City, issued a rating of F+ for CMKX Diamonds (OTC:CMKX) Diamond mining company. Ludlow Capital mentions in the report of the possibility of adjusting CMKX's rating once more public information is available for review. The current lack of transparency for public investors has forced Ludlow Capital to issue a F+ rating on the company at this time.
Ludlow Capital has picked up CMKX as a new coverage research stock, and plans to offer and adjust CMKX rating through out the year as events unfold.
I have to agreee with psychedelic on his assesment of this board. Definately a glass is half empty kind of group. Can't quite grasp the mind set that that it takes to spend endless hours coming up with the next clever way to bash a stock that's virtually worthless, or to ridicule the people who have some faith and hope that it might be sucessful and improve their lives a litte. If this is your idea of a hobby, well that alone speaks volumes about the people that particpate. If you think for one minute that you are "saving" anyone from the evils of CMKX, well then your more delusional than the most die hard of koolaide drinkers. Show me one post that someone has written thanking this group for saving them from the horrors of investing in this stock. The truth is board only has about 5 regular posters, and it needs people like leagal and psychedelic to feed off of. Otherwise the 5 of you run out of things to bash in about 10 minutes. Why else would you run to other boards to steal their posts just to tear them apart word by word. What's wrong, can't come up with any new ideas on your own. Truth is you're all a bunch of hypocrits because if CMKX ever turned around and started climbing, you'd all jump right back on board before you could say "koolaide" and brag about the low prices you paid and how much money you were making (I've heard bashers on this board that make this claim before so don't even try a say this wouldn't happen). So go ahead an bash away if that's your idea of some form of demented hobby, but don't try and pretend that most of you won't be begging to buy this stock at the current prices if and when it ever recovers and makes a run.
Posted by Otttoman on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: NOT GREAT, BUT A RATING NONETHELESS
Ludlow Capital Issues F+ Rating for CMKX Diamonds Staff Reporter Aug 05, 2005 - 3:30am EST
(NEW YORK)--Aug 05, 2005--Ludlow Capital, an investment research and consulting firm based out of New york City, issued a rating of F+ for CMKX Diamonds (OTC:CMKX) Diamond mining company. Ludlow Capital mentions in the report of the possibility of adjusting CMKX's rating once more public information is available for review. The current lack of transparency for public investors has forced Ludlow Capital to issue a F+ rating on the company at this time.
Ludlow Capital has picked up CMKX as a new coverage research stock, and plans to offer and adjust CMKX rating through out the year as events unfold.
Could be worse. Could have been an F-, LOL.
Posted by Ric on :
There is no saving anyone from this. If someone doesn't know better then to invest in a company that has 703 billion share then let them. Great friends in here though and everyone is great. And if you really think 703 billion shares could run then you really need to put your money in a savings account. Because you have no understanding how the market works. But hey, why don't some of you newbies that feel like you have to attack us, show us one piece of FACT that would prove us wrong.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well ottoman...we hear from a lot of ppl about the comic relief gotten from skimming through this thread. we have a laugh about some of the seriously lost pumpers & at times at ourselves. if this offends you then i suggest you look at a differant thread. i might be mistaken but i think allstocks has threads on 1 or 2 other stocks.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ottoman, the "handful" of bashers here believe that they own this board and if you don't agree, then you are not welcome. They actually have the audacity to tell people to leave "their board". Which is exactly why I stay. There used to be dozens of positive, intelligent and informed investors posting here. But "hatred" took over and venom became the fare. And eventually those who couldn't stand it any longer, left. THIS is what you have left.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Nice Post (by bill19336)
Nice Post (by bill19336) pjgrant Diamond Hunter
member is online
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1 Nice Post « Thread Started on Today at 12:24am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By: bill19336 05 Aug 2005, 09:49 PM EDT Msg. 246929 of 246967 Jump to msg. # ***I wonder if the manipulators...
* have seen the test results taken from several types of materials at various locations (i.e., Althabasca, Fort A La Corne, etc.)? * know of deals we know nothing about? * have discovered who else supports CMKX? * figured out why our JV's and partners have been strangely silent for so long? * are angry that we continue to trade, in spite of their best efforts to halt/revoke/kill us? * are confused why so many other companies have been recently halted by the SEC, while CMKX continues to trade? * wonder if the reason Urban is not in jail is because the SEC has NO definitive evidence of his wrong doing? * will continue their relentless bashing campaign against CMKX and it's associates? * are concerned that our informational campaign by the Owners Group continues? Remember, Frizzell had several meetings with politicos on his recent trip to Washington, DC. * are dismayed that Robert Maheu continues working with us, as recently stated in a Frizzell update. I also hear that Maheu has picked up other clients enlisting him to help prove illegal manipulation of their stock. Could it be his investigative agency has a working model in place? Could the model be based on CMKX, eh? * wonder why Roger Glenn is still loosely associated with CMKX through his USCA affiliation? Wouldn't you think if Roger had badly botched his CMKX mission, he'd have been bounced long ago? * may be bothered by the fact that Ed Dhonau, Rendal Williams, Urban and the other insiders continue to work together as evidenced by recent trips to Ecuador? * should they worry that Ed Dhonau continues to support the CMKX endeavor, as shown by his alleged extension of a note due in December of 2005, until 2010?
Yep, taken all together, there's enough circumstantial evidence to convince me I have no idea of what is really going on in the background. Of course, I made my decision to support CMKX unconditionally once I pieced together Urban's business model and how it fits into the larger picture. I've seen too many dots connect perfectly to give up on CMKX at this point.
"Yep, taken all together, there's enough circumstantial evidence to convince me I have no idea of what is really going on in the background."
Isn't the idea to be informed of what is going on, so you can make a intelligent decision not a guess. I know a lot more negative FACTS that point to, final revocation, a diluted company with no chance of a rise in PPS over .0001, strong circumstantial evidence of wrong doing by the CEO. Based on his circumstantial evidence vs the downside facts, I wouldn't be buying this stock.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "There used to be dozens of positive, intelligent and informed investors posting here. But "hatred" took over and venom became the fare."
W: And it was those same so-called intelligent and informed investors(???) that expressed all the "hatred" and "venom" when real facts and DD were presented. They left because they could not take the truth about CMKX. Instead, they wanted to keep living in la la land.
Ottoman,
As far as psyco is concerned, he has been banned from Allstocks so many times that even he cannot count the ways. He originally started as JBCak....and, if you favor his nonsense, you are no better. He was, is and always will be the scum of the universe. As I once stated, he is not worthy of blowing his nose on my used toilet paper. He has never presented anything that resembles due diligence....he's strictly an attack disease....a cancer on humanity. That is one person who does not belong on any thread or forum, let alone, this one.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: "Yep, taken all together, there's enough circumstantial evidence to convince me I have no idea of what is really going on in the background."
Isn't the idea to be informed of what is going on, so you can make a intelligent decision not a guess. I know a lot more negative FACTS that point to, final revocation, a diluted company with no chance of a rise in PPS over .0001, strong circumstantial evidence of wrong doing by the CEO. Based on his circumstantial evidence vs the downside facts, I wouldn't be buying this stock.
You find what you look for, will. After you sold your shares you began looking for the negative to back up your decision. So you found it. And most of you continue to look for the negative because you are afraid you made the wrong decision. And IMO, you did.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: "There used to be dozens of positive, intelligent and informed investors posting here. But "hatred" took over and venom became the fare."
W: And it was those same so-called intelligent and informed investors(???) that expressed all the "hatred" and "venom" when real facts and DD were presented. They left because they could not take the truth about CMKX. Instead, they wanted to keep living in la la land.
Ottoman,
As far as psyco is concerned, he has been banned from Allstocks so many times that even he cannot count the ways. He originally started as JBCak....and, if you favor his nonsense, you are no better. He was, is and always will be the scum of the universe. As I once stated, he is not worthy of blowing his nose on my used toilet paper. He has never presented anything that resembles due diligence....he's strictly an attack disease....a cancer on humanity. That is one person who does not belong on any thread or forum, let alone, this one.
Wallace, repeating that cr@p won't make it true. The only persons who sowed hatred and venom were you and JB going at each other. And as I recall, you started it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "Wallace, repeating that cr@p won't make it true. The only persons who sowed hatred and venom were you and JB going at each other. And as I recall, you started it."
W: Speaking of crap, you are full of it!
Posted by Rizzo on :
You should be banned from breeding.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by Rizzo: You should be banned from breeding.
Please, please, please do not hurt yourself trying to come up with that incredible 'snap and diss' of yours.
Posted by Rizzo on :
editing your post to avoid showing why my comeback was relevant? Seems it was better than you give credit for. Run along little boy.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
Wallace,
Yes, I do not bring loads or even a lot of DD to THIS board. However I own qbid and have done DD for that. I drove out to a candy shop that qbid delt with to talk to the owner. I managed to get pics of the 'QBID Coins' like 1 month before they became 'public' at the show. (Everyone there will remember my qbid coin photo because there was a yellow flower that I placed in it, and everyone loved it).
I also went to the NYC Office for QTV and posted what I found. So don't say I don't do any DD you POS. I have, just not lately, but when I DID people were appreciative of it.
pharmman, diana and others remember the times I ran out to go talk to people who may have been in contact with Q-Tv.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
rizzo they (admin/mod) deleted it here at allstocks. I didn't edit it.
Think before you speak, boy.
Posted by Rizzo on :
Your time here is limited youngster... use it wisely.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
I will use it as I see fit, commrade.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
It doesn't matter. This site has been 'infected' by bashers and whiners who invested WAY to much into cmkx and are no so afraid, they bash it.
Legal keep up the fight. I am out. For now.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by psychedelictrader: It doesn't matter. This site has been 'infected' by bashers and whiners who invested WAY to much into cmkx and are no so afraid, they bash it.
Legal keep up the fight. I am out. For now.
dumbass out.
Posted by bill1352 on :
allstocks doesn't edit much from this board at least not that i've noticed. it seems the only ppl that get edited are pumpers that drop in till banned.
by the way legal, i wish you wouldn't post anything from anyone with bill in the begining of their nickname. ppl might get the idea it came from me...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
I think it is you bill. Has your doctor ever mentioned a "phrenia" preceeded by "schizo"? LOL
Or are you trying to worm your way back on to PB32?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: allstocks doesn't edit much from this board at least not that i've noticed. it seems the only ppl that get edited are pumpers that drop in till banned.
by the way legal, i wish you wouldn't post anything from anyone with bill in the begining of their nickname. ppl might get the idea it came from me...lol
And you know bill, that's very interesting since Allstocks is owned by the same company that owns "Green Baron". Ohhhh the inconsistencies of life and trading.
Posted by Ric on :
Another day another .00005
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok i'll fess up...i been inhaling paint fumes all week & for some reason it made me think there was some sort of conspiracy against cmkx...i'm gonna need a better 1/2 face mask next week. those paint fumes are worse then kool-aide...lol
anyone that believes this post....i have a diamond mine stock i'd like to talk to you about. i can get you some pre-owned shares cheap. (can i get a cut if i sell your's Ed??)
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: allstocks doesn't edit much from this board at least not that i've noticed. it seems the only ppl that get edited are pumpers that drop in till banned.
by the way legal, i wish you wouldn't post anything from anyone with bill in the begining of their nickname. ppl might get the idea it came from me...lol
And you know bill, that's very interesting since Allstocks is owned by the same company that owns "Green Baron". Ohhhh the inconsistencies of life and trading.
So what's the buy sell? .00001/.00002
nice job pumping dumbass.
Facts: 1.Melvin said that at a CMKM drilling site, company employees could hear the voice of Shore Gold employees working in Kimberlite. Melvin later stated that this was never said.
2. Melvin said on internet radio that the O/S was nowhere near 400 billion.
3. Urban told Ed Miller that we would be very happy with the O/S total. When the O/S was revealed as 703 billion, Ed removed the "stock play of a lifetime" tag permanently.
4. Melvin stated that Urban wanted us to know that no CMKM money was being used for the race cars. It turns out that our money was in fact being used for advertising to sell shares.
5. Andy said that the filings were going to the auditor last March. Andy said that the lawyers told him this, and that was a complete lie from the lawyers.
6. Urban said we were getting close to filing last October. When the accountants don't even have the paperwork necessary, how could Urban have stated this?
7. Urban promised to communicate with us better when Maheu took the job. That turns out to be yet another broken promise.
8. The company has maintained that naked shorting is the reason for our current PPS. Pedro's information obtained through the FOIA shows that when the shares totals are reconciled, dilution is our problem, not naked shorting.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES THE FOLLOWING QUESTION- The SEC knows our current share structure. Why isn't CMKX on the SHO list if we are naked shorted?
9. The biggest of all for me- Urban broke the law by not keeping proper records, and he will be charged by the SEC, imo. When he took the job as CEO, he made an implicit promise to protect the financial interests of the shareholders. He broke that promise while he broke the law.
Posted by Ric on :
CMKM auditor raises concerns, gets sacked
2005-08-05 17:30 ET - Street Wire
Also Street Wire (U-*SEC) U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
by Lee M. Webb
CMKM Diamonds Inc. is living up to its billing by critics as an outrageously entertaining subpenny pink sheet soap opera. In a recent episode, CMKM fired its latest auditor, Brad Beckstead of Beckstead & Watts LLP, after he raised concerns about possible illegal activity in the conduct of the company's affairs.
CMKM disclosed in a July 29 filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) that it had terminated the engagement of Beckstead and Watts. Since the termination, CMKM lawyer Donald Stoecklein and Mr. Beckstead have been duking it out in SEC filings.
Mr. Beckstead's engagement with CMKM was even briefer than the short stint served by the company's previous auditor, Neil Levine of Bagell Josephs & Co. LLC, who lasted four months before pulling the plug on the pink sheet promotion. Mr. Beckstead was dumped after only 11 days.
Neither Mr. Levine, who quit, nor Mr. Beckstead, who was fired, performed any actual audit work for CMKM because the massively diluted pink sheet company headed by Saskatchewan native Urban Casavant does not even have complete financial statements, let alone the necessary backup documentation to perform an audit.
While the two auditors' association with CMKM ended differently, neither departure cast the pink sheet company in a favourable light.
Auditor one
After months of prattling on about compliance, including claims that the company was ahead of schedule and close to filing, CMKM hired Mr. Levine on Jan. 10 of this year, paying him a retainer of $100,000. (All amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
Less than two months after Mr. Levine signed on as the company's auditor, the SEC issued a 10-day trading suspension against CMKM and then followed up with an order instituting proceedings against the pink sheet promotion on March 16.
Mr. Levine testified for the U.S. regulator at an evidentiary hearing on May 10. Among other things, Mr. Levine testified that, in spite of repeated requests to Mr. Casavant and others associated with the company, he had not been provided with financial statements or any backup documentation needed to perform an audit.
It was at the May 10 hearing that shareholders first learned that a few days earlier Mr. Levine had notified the company that he was terminating his engagement effective the end of the hearing.
Bill Frizzell, a Texas lawyer allowed limited participation in the proceeding as counsel for a number of CMKM shareholders known as the Owners Group, repeatedly questioned Mr. Levine about his departure during cross-examination.
"Basically in 25 years of doing accounting and asking for records, this isn't a company that me and my firm wants to continue to represent," Mr. Levine said in response to Mr. Frizzell's first question on the matter. "I've asked for records over and over. I don't get any records. And I'll leave it at that."
Rather than leaving it at that, however, Mr. Frizzell pressed on with a similar question.
"My testimony is this isn't the type of company that I want to typically represent, one where the owners take the Fifth Amendment and -- when I do ask for records, and it's frankly become problematic," Mr. Levine answered the Texas lawyer's second question about the matter.
Mr. Frizzell moved on to a few other questions before returning to the subject of Mr. Levine's break with CMKM.
"Is there any particular reason why you chose to withdraw your representation for this company or your attempts to audit this on the day before everyone is headed to Los Angeles for this de-registration hearing?" Mr. Frizzell asked.
"You want to ask me that again?" Mr. Levine asked in return, apparently somewhat incredulously.
"The timing of your resignation," Judge Brenda P. Murray offered, suggesting the question was at least slightly different.
"The timing is that we're a very busy accounting firm," Mr. Levine said. "I'm in the middle of a major Q season, which is the biggest May 15th deadline.
"And frankly, you know, I'm done playing around with whoever I'm going to get documents from or I'm not, and I have to be on standby.
"And we just don't want to represent a company like this anymore."
Mr. Frizzell finally dropped the subject and quickly came to the end of his cross-examination.
Evidently locating an auditor to replace Mr. Levine was a difficult task. It was not until two months later that CMKM disclosed it had found someone willing to sign on for the job.
Auditor two
In the introduction to a posthearing settlement proposal jointly submitted to the SEC enforcement division by Mr. Stoecklein and Mr. Frizzell, it was disclosed that Beckstead & Watts had been engaged on July 11, "after a month of due diligence by the auditor."
Somewhat ironically, the July 12 settlement proposal was submitted on the same day that Judge Murray issued her initial decision in the administrative proceeding against CMKM, ordering the revocation of the company's stock registration.
On July 15, CMKM filed an 8-K with the SEC officially acknowledging the change in auditors.
On July 22, a week after filing the notification regarding the change in auditors, CMKM fired Beckstead & Watts.
That development was not reported in an 8-K filing until July 29, a full week after Mr. Beckstead had been sacked.
The July 29 8-K filing offered some intriguing and arguably less than flattering insights into why Mr. Beckstead had been given the boot just 11 days after signing on as CMKM's independent accountant.
The squabble
At least in small part, the tiff between CMKM and Mr. Beckstead involves money.
A July 28 letter from Mr. Stoecklein's law firm to Mr. Beckstead that is included as an exhibit to the company's July 29 8-K filing opens with the subject of a $75,000 retainer that CMKM paid when the new auditing firm officially signed on. That $75,000 was in addition to a non-refundable $25,000 "due diligence fee" paid to Beckstead & Watts on June 22.
"Your firm was properly terminated as CMKM's independent accounts effective July 22, 2005, only eleven days following your engagement and receipt of an additional $75,000," the Stoecklein Law Group letter addressed to Mr. Beckstead states. "Contrary to your belief, you are not entitled to retain funds not earned by your firm after July 22, 2005."
Apparently CMKM believes that Mr. Beckstead's "demeanor towards CMKM totally changed" following telephone conversations with an unidentified female "employee of a regulatory agency," who had earlier allegedly told the auditor that it was not in his best interest to take the company on as a client.
In subsequent calls, the unidentified regulatory employee allegedly asked for Mr. Beckstead's assistance "in locating individuals that may have been previously associated with CMKM."
"It's not apparent the extent of the conversations you had with this government employee, but from your subsequent actions it appears you no longer desired to be CMKM's independent auditor," Mr. Stoecklein wrote. "However, under the terms of your engagement, it is CMKM's opinion you had to create cause in order to terminate the engagement and keep all funds remaining under your retainer."
Evidently CMKM obliged with the termination, but now wants Mr. Beckstead to return some money.
Perhaps more central to the dispute, and arguably of far more significance to investors, is what Mr. Stoecklein refers to as a "draft" 10A letter written by Mr. Beckstead on July 20.
Under Section 10A of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, in relevant part, an auditor has an obligation to report any information that is uncovered indicating that an illegal act has or may have occurred.
CMKM did not include Mr. Beckstead's so-called draft letter as an exhibit in its July 29 8-K filing, but it did offer a response to the concerns evidently outlined in that correspondence.
In addressing some of the issues raised by Mr. Beckstead, CMKM seems to rely heavily on the far from comforting argument that the company's financial records are in such disarray that the auditor could not have any foundation for suggesting potentially illegal acts occurred.
Company line
Evidently Mr. Beckstead had some concern regarding a ballyhooed relationship between CMKM and U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc., a former OTC Bulletin Board company that was booted down to the pink sheets after being suspended by the SEC last October and is currently under investigation.
As previously reported by Stockwatch, U.S. Canadian Minerals reportedly poured $13.5-million into CMKM last year under a partially exercised option to boost its stake in the company from 5 per cent to 15 per cent.
In subsequent SEC filings, U.S. Canadian Minerals disclosed that the money it reportedly funnelled into CMKM came from Mr. Casavant and four members of his family.
"First, you questioned the economic substance of a transaction between CMKM and U.S. Canadian Minerals ('UCAD'), a company CMKM has business dealings with and with which your firm was previously the independent accountant, whereby Urban Casavant and his family 'advanced' UCAD approximately $15-million," Mr. Stoecklein wrote.
"You had the opportunity to verbally question Mr. Casavant on this subject and during this process you were informed Mr. Casavant made an investment into UCAD, not advances," the lawyer continued. "Mr. Casavant's personal investments are well outside the scope of CMKM's audit.
"You were entirely informed of CMKM's intentions to fully disclose any and all related party transactions, when identified, in its financial statements and the notes thereto, when completed.
"Regardless of Mr. Casavant's forthright co-operation and honest answers to your questions pertaining to his personal investments, you felt it imperative to make unfounded speculations as to the origins of the funds, even though in your own words 'it's not apparent how the Casavants obtained the $15-million.'"
Mr. Stoecklein did not expand on either Mr. Casavant's "forthright co-operation and honest answers" or Mr. Beckstead's "unfounded speculations" regarding the origin of the $15-million, matters that might be of more than passing interest to investors and regulators, among others.
Mr. Beckstead evidently also raised questions regarding the relationship between CMKXtreme Inc., one of Mr. Casavant's promotional vehicles, and CMKM and whether $4-million spent on promotion and advertising truly advanced the company's best interest.
"We are unaware of any expertise your firm has in the promotion and advertising industries, however, numerous public companies pay millions of dollars per year to sponsor racing and other professional sports teams," Mr. Stoecklein wrote.
"Additionally, it is unclear to us what authority you have as an independent accountant to make judgments upon business decisions made by CMKM management without jeopardizing your independence," the company's lawyer continued. "CMKM's sponsorship of the CMKXtreme racing team has garnered tremendous publicity and has been greatly appreciated by its stockholders.
"As the sole officer and director of CMKM at the time of the payments, Mr. Casavant, irregardless (sic) of his ownership position in CMKXtreme, had full authority to expend corporate funds to promote and advertise CMKM."
While Mr. Casavant may have had the authority to pour millions of dollars into funny car dragsters, not all CMKM shareholders "greatly appreciated" the promotional scheme. Indeed, more than a few shareholders were dismayed at the money and effort directed toward racing rather than mineral exploration.
In any event, the wheels have recently started to come off CMKM's racing promotion. The company dropped its sponsorship of Jeff Arend's funny car last month and Lee Hatch reportedly peeled the CMKM advertising off his Speed Truck after the cheques stopped arriving.
Mr. Beckstead also raised concerns about possible violations relating to loans made to CMKM's officers and directors.
To partially address those concerns, Mr. Stoecklein offered up the assumption that if CMKM's reporting obligations were suspended immediately upon filing a Form 15 on July 22, 2003, which happened to be inaccurate, and not reinstated until Feb. 17 of this year, then CMKM would not be in violation of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act with respect to any loans made during that period.
In her July 12 revocation decision, Judge Murray determined that CMKM's argument that its reporting obligations were suspended upon filing the false Form 15 did not hold water. CMKM filed a petition for review of the initial decision on July 29.
"It was fully understood by you CMKM would address any possible reporting deficiencies and, disclosure obligations related to those deficiencies, if any, would be made once final determinations were made," Mr. Stoecklein went on.
"You openly admit CMKM's books and records are incomplete, which you knew before your engagement, but still felt it relevant to prematurely make unsubstantiated assumptions as to a potential violation," the lawyer wrote.
Mr. Stoecklein then turned to the fired auditor's fourth area of concern, CMKM's spotty financial records.
"Fourth, since its initial meetings in June pertaining to the audit of CMKM and throughout your due diligence period, CMKM was entirely upfront and honest in disclosing to your firm not all documents required to commence an audit were in the possession of current management and CMKM was using its best efforts to obtain records from prior management," Mr. Stoecklein wrote.
CMKM's lawyer did not identify the "prior management" or suggest what portion of the company's missing records might be in the possession of that unidentified management. Earlier in his letter, however, Mr. Stoecklein did disclose that less than 25 per cent of the items on a detailed list supplied by Mr. Beckstead had been rounded up.
"The Board was forthcoming in stating it was currently unable to provide enough information to your firm for the purpose of performing general audit procedures," Mr. Stoecklein continued.
CMKM's board of directors consists of two people: Mr. Casavant, the company's only officer; and 87-year-old Robert Maheu, appointed co-chairman earlier this year and paid $40,000 per month.
During the May 10 evidentiary hearing, Mr. Casavant asserted his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination and refused to answer any questions. Mr. Maheu's testimony indicated that he was basically clueless about the company's operations and financial records.
"Even with this upfront and honest disclosure, you chose to, within only seven business days, chastise CMKM for the current state of their books and records knowing full well this information was fully disclosed to you prior to you choosing to accept an additional $75,000 and engage as CMKM's auditor," Mr. Stoecklein wrote.
"Lastly, because of CMKM's belief it did not have to file periodic reports from July 22, 2003, through Feb. 17, 2005, your concern over the disclosure of related party transactions is unfounded," Mr. Stoecklein wrote, again contradicting the findings of Judge Murray.
"Further, Urban Casavant, as the sole officer and director of CMKM, had complete authority to enter into transactions on behalf of CMKM, whether these transactions were with related parties or not," Mr. Stoecklein continued.
"In addition, it has always been CMKM's intentions to fully and completely disclose all related party and other relevant transactions as part of its audited financial statements when they are completed, as was discussed with you on several occasions," the lawyer added.
Mr. Stoecklein then served up a few parting words for Mr. Beckstead.
"In closing, your actions in holding CMKM's funds hostage and the potential defamatory and baseless statements contained in your 'draft' letter are truly disappointing," Mr. Stoecklein wrote. "You were made fully aware of CMKM's current status prior to your engagement, however, you chose to engage them, take an additional $75,000 and then within only days, without any attempt to talk with management or any of the other professionals engaged by CMKM, write a letter which contained completely baseless claims.
"Attempting to create cause was the only way for you to end your engagement with CMKM, which would coincidentally entitle you to keep any remaining funds you had on retainer.
"You have recklessly attempted to create cause by failing to comply with the requirements of 10A, refusing to meet with management and/or the Board and continuing with your incessant desire to force public disclosure of your draft letter.
"Your actions have forced CMKM to expend significant additional time and resources into responding to these issues, thus diverting precious resources from its major goals of increasing stockholder value and regaining its reporting status."
While the existence of Mr. Beckstead's draft letter has now been publicly disclosed, even with what can be gleaned from Mr. Stoecklein's perhaps slightly ham-fisted attempt to respond to the issues raised by the auditor, the full content of that July 20 letter remains a mystery.
However, a subsequent formal 10A letter from Mr. Beckstead dated July 28 is included as an exhibit in an Aug. 1 amended 8-K SEC filing.
Auditor fires back
Mr. Beckstead's July 28 letter, which does not include any speculation, unfounded or otherwise, regarding matters such as where members of the Casavant family managed to come up with $15-million, arguably appears more professional and restrained than Mr. Stoecklein's correspondence of the same date. Nonetheless, the fired auditor does land some bruising blows.
According to Mr. Beckstead, Mr. Stoecklein's letter "contains a number of misstatements and misunderstandings."
"First, and among the most important of all, is his statement that CMKM is not an 'issuer' as defined by Sarbanes-Oxley and therefore is not subject to the provisions of that act or the SEC reporting requirements following the initial Form 15 filing on July 22, 2003," Mr. Beckstead states.
Mr. Beckstead goes on to point out that in its own amended Form 15 filing on Feb. 17, 2005, CMKM acknowledged that it actually had 698 shareholders of record, not 300, when it made the original filing, "thereby making the use of Form 15 inapplicable."
"With the original Form 15 inapplicable, it is clear that CMKM was and remained an issuer for the purposes of Sarbanes-Oxley and the filing requirements of the 1934 Act notwithstanding the wrongful filing in 2003 of the Form 15," Mr. Beckstead claims, going on to invite CMKM's lawyer to provide him with an unqualified legal opinion that the company was not an issuer.
Mr. Beckstead also takes issue with Mr. Stoecklein's claim that the auditing firm has refused to return money belonging to CMKM based on an "apparent misunderstanding of the word termination."
"We understand the word 'termination' and we will account for the funds on deposit once our statutorily required services are completed as stated in our earlier response," the auditor says, a reference to correspondence that has not found its way into the public domain. "Mr. Stoecklein's efforts to imply to the contrary are disingenuous."
Citing the relevant portion of Section 10A regarding an auditor's obligation to report possible illegal acts, Mr. Beckstead claims that he has indeed "become aware of information relating to possible illegal acts."
"We have received information relating to the possible improper use of corporate assets," Mr. Beckstead writes, leading off with $4-million paid to CMKXtreme for "promotion and advertising."
"Based on the information provided to us, it caused us to question whether the use of the funds truly advanced the best interest of CMKM," Mr. Beckstead advises. "Additionally, it appears that Mr. Casavant owns CMKXtreme, and that this may have been a related party transaction that may not have been presented to or approved by the Board of Directors of CMKM.
"We fully understand marketing issues raised by Mr. Stoecklein in his letter, but we are unaware of how any such transactions benefited CMKM."
Mr. Beckstead goes on to claim that he has received information that CMKM may have violated securities regulations with respect to loans to its officers and directors.
"Our information indicates that Mr. Casavant and others related to CMKM may have advanced themselves undetermined amounts of money without adequate explanation or documentation," the auditor writes.
Mr. Beckstead also offers some thoughts on the state of CMKM's books.
"The CMKM books and records are, at this point, unauditable because they are incomplete, and the records that exist have been improperly maintained," Mr. Beckstead says. "The volume of transactions via wire transfer and cashiers checks render the banking records inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter necessary to render an audit opinion."
The auditor notes that Mr. Stoecklein admits that CMKM could only provide less than 25 per cent of the information requested by his firm at the outset.
"Mr. Stoecklein raises the disingenuous argument that if the records are unauditable, how can we be aware of any illegal acts," Mr. Beckstead writes. "First of all, having records that are not auditable is itself an illegal act under Section 13(a)(2) and other provisions of the 1934 Act.
"Secondly, the other information set forth herein was obtained from records that were available."
Mr. Beckstead goes on to point to a number of possibly inadequately disclosed related party transactions including, among others, transactions with U.S. Canadian Minerals and significant "monetary and stock transactions with individuals and entities who appear to be CMKM shareholders and/or prior officers and directors of the company."
"We have notified management, including the president and chief executive officer, of our concerns, and we met with CMKM's counsel as management's representative on July 20, 2005, to discuss these matters," Mr. Beckstead writes. "We received no information to alleviate our concerns, and in fact obtained further information that enhanced our concerns.
"In his letter, Mr. Stoecklein makes note of the fact that we were invited to a subsequent meeting at CMKM's offices and chose not to appear.
"That is correct, but we also asked CMKM to provide us a written response to our concerns.
"We believed that a written response was appropriate in the circumstances and would have been significantly more valuable than an oral response at a meeting.
"We believe that Mr. Stoecklein's letter constitutes a written response, and this letter is our response to Mr. Stoecklein's letter."
According to Mr. Beckstead, the concerns that he has identified may have a material adverse impact on CMKM's financial statements.
Among other things, the fired auditor claims that the related party transactions and the apparent loans to officers and directors may or may not be recoverable assets.
Moreover, Mr. Beckstead says that the apparent violations of the securities laws may result in SEC enforcement action, which could result in significant expenditures to defend and may also result in fines, penalties and damages.
Further, the auditor claims that the violations may lead to "civil litigation or criminal enforcement, which may also result in fines, penalties and damages."
Coming to the end of his letter, Mr. Beckstead points out that his firm was fired on July 22 and, under securities regulations, that should have been reported in an 8-K filing within four business days or no later than July 28. CMKM did not file the report within the required time.
"Consequently, CMKM is delinquent in its reporting obligations and, therefore, appears to have committed further acts in violation of the 1934 Act," the auditor notes.
The aftermath
In the wake of the public dust-up with its fired auditor, Mr. Stoecklein advised the SEC that he was withdrawing the posthearing settlement proposal he had jointly submitted with Mr. Frizzell. CMKM's lawyer put the blame for the withdrawn proposal on the fired Mr. Beckstead.
"Since CMKM does not have an auditor and is not able to determine at this point when an audit could be completed, the proposal is no longer viable," Mr. Stoecklein wrote.
Mr. Frizzell offered some of his thoughts on the termination of Mr. Beckstead in an e-mail update to the members of the Owners Group.
"The company continues to spend valuable time and money attempting to engage an auditor that will actually produce auditable financials," the Texas lawyer remarked.
Mr. Frizzell, who is not a securities lawyer, is perhaps unaware that an independent auditor cannot produce the auditable financial statements that he or she has been hired to audit.
"It seems to me that once an auditor receives a $25,000 due diligence fee before accepting employment, and he then signs an engagement letter it would have to be some pretty unusual circumstances to assert that you cannot perform the audit," Mr. Frizzell went on, glossing over the fact that CMKM's books and records are still an unauditable mess.
"I share your pain, folks," said Mr. Frizzell, who is also a CMKM shareholder.
The saga continues.
Posted by osnapd on :
"Your actions have forced CMKM to expend significant additional time and resources into responding to these issues, thus diverting precious resources from its major goals of increasing stockholder value and regaining its reporting status."
ahaha yeah the transfer agent destroyed urbans two years of progress in getting compliant.. Seriously are these people circus carneys? they have no moral,integrity,decency.. they flat out lie,twist words and bullchit.
2 F'n years to get complaint and we found out NOTHING has been done yet. UC is a walking sack of crap.
Posted by glassman on :
100's of billions served, er i mean screwed...
Posted by Ric on :
You need him holding casino chips and the teller at the casino holding CMKX certs that he just exchanged them for. Caption "UC in disguise"
Posted by glassman on :
i was looking for one of him in cuffs...no luck....
and yeah, casino chips would definitely make the pic. Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Don't ya just love it??? And they tell us that it is not a SCAM?
Posted by bill1352 on :
glass...we need to get stock certs in place of burgers on that pic & then get upside to print t-shirts. maybe UC's face instead of hamburgular.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I DO like that auditor, Beckstead!
Posted by Ric on :
He sure is a by the book type of person. He wasn't about to sign off on a audit without a 10A in place to cover his butt. More people need to start worring about covering there butt on what they have done for this company. If not they will have to worry about covering it in jail.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: I DO like that auditor, Beckstead!
Posted by bill1352 on :
"The company continues to spend valuable time and money attempting to engage an auditor that will actually produce auditable financials," the Texas lawyer remarked.
Mr. Frizzell, who is not a securities lawyer, is perhaps unaware that an independent auditor cannot produce the auditable financial statements that he or she has been hired to audit."
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this is the point the cult just doesn't get. reporting or not books by law must be kept...period. its not desormeau's fault. its UC's there is no paperwork explaining why 703 billion shares were printed or why so many ppl were given shares, billions of shares. no paperwork on why company officers or employees were given 10's of billions of shares. this isn't financial records this is general company records just like the claim documents or leases on equipment. not recording every penny is 1 thing but not keeping the contracts or documenting why they were given shares is a whole other ball game.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
That bit, among others, about keeping books is exactly what I was referring to when I previously mentioned "failure to perform fiduciary duties". It seems that that alone would be grounds for serious litigation.
Hope the pumpers pass that on to Frizzy.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm still trying to find the nevada minerals web site to see what they say about the american shaft. nothing comes up on the company on a search. remember frizzy said their webs site says it aquired the american shaft.
Posted by bill1352 on :
just found something on yahoo...nevada minerals got 14.2 million shares of USCA in january of this yr
bill: "i'm still trying to find...what they say about the american shaft.
W: bill, check this very Allstocks CMKX thread out. LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya...just found it through yahoo...nothing on it about cmkx at all. the site looks old in fact. doesn't look updates in at least a yr. wonder where frizzy got the idea they aquired the S.A. gold shaft.
Posted by Ric on :
What amazes me is the fact that no one in the cults demands answers. They are content with knowing nothing. Maybe they want it that way so they can keep their dreams alive.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ty Ric
Posted by bill1352 on :
you would think after the master list came out they would be on frizzy to stop everything at cmkx & go in for an open book look just like he was telling UC he was about to do. its sort of like buying a lotto ticket but not checking the numbers, as long as you dont look its possible its a winning ticket.
Posted by Ric on :
I really feel that CMKX is losing the mines in Ecuador. I think the announcement on their website was pre-mature. UC probably had an agreement to hold off until the revocation was complete were no one would notice and he could slip into the night. Because without being able to sell shares anymore then there is no way he can pay the 2 million. Maybe UC is delusional and thinks that he can win this and continue selling shares for a living.
Posted by Ric on :
Better yet, since UC thought CMKX was his personal piggy bank anyway why not make a deal with Nevada Minerals. That if they just wait a couple months that he would let the 2 million go by thus letting Nevada have the mines. In exchange UC gets lets say 10% of profits in his name. That way he continue to make money off this scam forever.
Posted by Ric on :
So, if all you bashers are right and I am not becoming a millionaire from CMKX then what should I buy?
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'll bet he finds a way to get something out of it. being private it can be done without ever telling anyone once cmkx is revoked. remember when UCAD gave cmkx 7.5 million shares & that was about 49% of UCAD...then the 3 for 1 split went thru (never saw my divys triple) now nevada minerals gets 14.2 million shares added to the 5 million they had...19.2 total. if USCA did triple their shares nevada owns almost 50%. i'm guessing both cmkx & USCA's assets end up in nevada minerals over the next yr or so. all private, no SEC & nothing anyone can do about it.
Posted by Ric on :
Wasn't it rumored that some claims were transfered to UCAD too. Three rich men living in Ecuador hidden from 60K shareholders. Maybe they can stake out the casinos. UC can't stay away long.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: So, if all you bashers are right and I am not becoming a millionaire from CMKX then what should I buy?
Buy HISC Good night guys
Posted by Ric on :
Heres the company that sold MJET and the shells they have right now. Might be worth watching.
CYPC - A/S 100,000,000 O/S 13,775,021 MLNK - A/S 150,000,000 O/S 33,215,913 QRUS - A/S 50,000,000 O/S 46,174,800 LOI
Posted by bill1352 on :
i just started watching WDAM...haven't dug to deep yet but last reported o/s was 11 million, that was june. deal for 12 million since then. they did a r/s in january. only read the title of the allstocks thread not much more...security stocks have been heading up, at least quality ones have....BSIO, MRKL.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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posted on 6-8-2005 at 12:14 AM
CIM SEEMS TO BE THE PLAY.
CIM SEEMS TO BE THE PLAY. "A CIM HISTORY"
"CIM" the commonly used short form for Casavant International Mining, was born on January 21, 2003 with the filing of it's Articles of Incorporation with the Nevada Secy of State. Initially CIM had an Authorized Share count of 25 million shares at a par value of .001, but on 10/20/2004 the authorized share count was increased to 500 billion with a .001 par value, indicating that in about 10 months the "par value" of the company had been increased from 25,000 dollars to 500 million dollars. What happened in between? Starting back with it's inception, CIM was a unique move for the Casavant's, in that it was a NEW corporation. Not the normal "shell game" played for other Casavant entities, and looking very much like an attempt at starting something "clean", with no questionable history or questionable players. What did Urban have in mind for the company? And what did he do to increase the par value by $499,975,000.00? And what can all of this mean to the future of CMKX, and us as shareholders?
A little more history might help.
CIM was introduced to the public in a PR announcing a spin out of corporate zinc deposits from the George Lake claims held by CIM as subsidiary of CMK(M).
LAS VEGAS, Aug 21, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Urban Casavant, President of Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (OTC Pink Sheets: CMKM) is pleased to announce that the Board of Directors of Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (CMKM) have approved the spin-out of the corporate zinc deposits at George Lake, Saskatchewan, with the spin-out of its wholly owned subsidiary Casavant Mining International, Inc. (CMI). The target date for the spin-out will be before the end of September 2003, and will be announced shortly. CMKM shareholders of record at the time will receive one share in CMI for every share they hold and will continue to own in (CMKM). This spin-out will enable CMKM to concentrate on diamond exploration and development at Forte a la Corne, Saskatchewan.
Then a clarification:
LAS VEGAS, Aug 22, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Urban Casavant, President of Casavant Mining Kimberlite International would like to clarify that the payable date for the 2-1 forward stock split will be Monday September 29, 2003. This means that all shareholders who hold CMKM stock through close of market Friday September 12, 2003 will receive one additional CMKM share of stock for every share that they hold through September 12, 2003 the X dividend date, and be paid extra shares by September 29, 2003.
Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Board of directors have also approved the spin-out of the corporate zinc deposits at George Lake, Saskatchewan, its wholly owned subsidiary Casavant Mining International, Inc. (CMI). Shareholders of record who hold CMKM stock through close of market on Friday September 19, 2003 will receive one share of CMI stock for every share of CMKM stock that they hold through this date. The payable date for the CMI shares of stock will be Friday October 3, 2003. CMKM shareholders of record at the time will receive one share in CMI stock for every share they hold and will continue to own their CMKM stock. This spin-out will enable CMKM to concentrate on diamond exploration and development at Forte a la Corne, Saskatchewan.
If shareholders sell their CMKM stock before September 12, 2003 or September 19, 2003 they will forfeit their rights to receive dividends for CMKM stock split or CMI stock.
And then finally it looks like the deal will be made.
LAS VEGAS, Dec 19, 2003 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- On December 19, 2003 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) Board of Directors announces that the feasibility of a spin out of corporate zinc deposits at George Lake,Saskatchewan, currently held in its wholly owned subsidiary Casavant International Mining, Inc. (CIM), is being undertaken with a representative of Mirador Corporation (Pink Sheets: MRDR). This is subject to due diligence which is currently being undertaken by representatives from each company: CMKM, CIM and MRDR as to the feasibility of this share exchange.
The spin-out, in principle, has been approved by CMKM as announced by CMKM on December 8, 2003. If a CIM/MRDR exchange is approved, CIM will become a wholly owned subsidiary of MRDR which will undergo a name-change, an increase in authorized share capital, and new Board of Directors. The shareholders of CIM would each receive a share in MRDR in exchange for their shares in CIM. The effective exchange date is anticipated to be January 15, 2004.
Should the CIM/MRDR exchange fail to pass due diligence then an alternative exchange will be undertaken with a different suitor to achieve the same result for the CIM shareholders. But here is where the "pea under the shell game" begins. You see, Mirador's Presdent was Vistor Casavant and I don't think there would have been much "due diligence" necessary. But it is apparent that UC was trying to get CIM out from under CMK(M) and held solely by his brother Vic. "CIM will become a wholly owned subsidiary of MRDR which will undergo a name-change". Why was Urban trying to get CIM out from under the control of CMKX? That's an important question, that takes us into the "Premerger Syndicate" players and the Forebearance Agreement that Phxgold borught to our attention recently. I won't rework that discovery, since Phxgold did such a good job. But in short, there may have been some "toxic financiers" involved in the syndicate who were working against the best interests of CMKX, possibly naked shorting it into bankruptcy so that they could take over the company and its valuable claims.
But CIM was to be a "clean" company, imo, divorced from the "bad guys". What bad guys? Well, one player was a guy named Shawn Hackman.
While not my favorite source of "news", Stockwatch did an apparently thorough job of investigating Mr. Hackman and his connections to CMKX through Ed Dhonau:
"In the same vein, there is nothing to indicate that Mr. Dhonau knew anything at all about the less than reputable activities and alleged activities of disbarred, SEC-suspended and subsequently indicted lawyer Shawn Hackman, who served as secretary and treasurer of four Nevada companies headed by Mr. Dhonau: Horizon Prime Inc.; Red Bluff Corp.; Silver Stream Corp.; and Western Sky Inc.
Mr. Hackman, who played a role in Canadian career fraudster Michael Mitton's H & R Enterprises debacle, was suspended by the Nevada Supreme Court in 2001 amid allegations that he misappropriated $700,000 from a client at a time when he was ostensibly co-operating with the state bar counsel regarding other client complaints of misappropriation. He was ordered disbarred on April 3, 2002, and subsequently suspended from practicing before the SEC.
In August of 2003, the U.S. Organized Crime Strike Force unsealed a 64-count, 100-page grand jury indictment against Mr. Hackman and fellow Nevada lawyers Sean Flanagan and Daniel Chapman, New York lawyer Herbert Jacobi and Utah transfer agent James Farrell. The indictment included 50 counts of conspiracy, wire and mail fraud, money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the Internal Revenue Service, interstate transportation of stolen securities and false statements, and 14 counts of forfeiture.
According to the allegations, Mr. Hackman and his co-defendants facilitated the manufacture of fraudulent shell companies in which the promoters gained hidden control of all or virtually all of the public float through the concealed use of nominee officers, directors and shareholders.
In February of this year, Mr. Hackman entered into a plea agreement, pleading guilty to one count of conspiracy racketeering and agreeing to a criminal forfeiture of property obtained through racketeering. In his plea agreement, Mr. Hackman admitted that, from at least July of 1995 to November of 2001, he and his co-defendants and others known and unknown were members of a criminal organization engaged is securities fraud, money laundering, wire fraud and other illegal activities.
Mr. Hackman also admitted that, among other things, the scheme involved fabrication of corporate records and stock records; mergers of shell corporations with private companies; formation of companies in the Bahamas to cover up the fraud; and retaining lawyers to issue false legal opinions indicating that the shares of the shell corporations were freely tradeable.
The other four defendants have entered pleas of not guilty and the case has not yet gone to trial.
Again, it should be noted that there is nothing to suggest that Mr. Dhonau had any clue at all about the criminal activities of Mr. Hackman. It should also be noted that according to many shareholders of U.S. Canadian Minerals, the largest shareholder Mr. Dhonau is an intelligent, enthusiastic, well-connected and respected prince of a fellow who will figure prominently in both the company's future and in the future of CMKM."
Shawn Hackman is linked into Mirador / SGGM through a very important address: 1350 E Flamingo Rd #688 Las Vegas Nevada.
When SGGM came back on the market, I checked them out and their address, while sitting as a "shell", was 1350 E Flamingo Rd #688. . (Source Nevada Secy of State) What made that very interesting, was that it was the exact same address as VWAY International 1350 Flamingo # 688 (Nev SOS), the successor to Mirador on July 1, 2004.
ROYSTON MANNOR ESTATES, INC. Revoked Dec. 04 "The primary activity of Royston Mannor Estates, Inc. is to locate and consummate a merger or acquisition with a private entity." "Royston Mannor Estates, Inc. can be defined as a "shell" company., whose sole purpose at this time is to locate and consummate a merger or acquisition with a private entity. The proposed business activities described herein classify Royston Mannor Estates, Inc. as a "blank check" company. " ACCOUNTANT DAVID E COFFEY.
Now with a little background, let's get back to CIM. We finally get on with the "spin out" approval to MRDR.
LAS VEGAS, Jan 15, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Las Vegas, (Pink Sheets: CMKM) is pleased to announce that:
The Board of Directors of CMKM announced today that the CIM/ MRDR exchange has been approved in principle by both companies. All CIM/MRDR shareholders of record of January 30, 2004 will be eligible for the share exchange, more details will follow shortly.
The Board of Directors consider that the spin-out of Casavant International Mining will be in the best interest of the Company and its shareholders. CMKM and its officers and directors will be better able to focus on the Fort a la Corne, Saskatchewan claims it currently holds, while the new MRDR /CIM Company will be able to focus on the zinc claims.
So the exchange was approved, shareholders of record on Jan. 30, 2004 were to receive shares of the new MRDR/CIM. Remembering that Mirador was to be the dominant company, shareholders would have expected to receive either Mirador shares, or shares of the newly named company.
But something happened in the meantime. By June 4, Urban is cancelling the merger with Mirador, getting rid of the TA, and announcing the hiring of Roger Glenn the next day.
Had he finally had "enough" of the naked shorting? Enough of the shady financiers? Enough of the links to questionable people in his organization? His actions certainly look like he had found something in early June and was going to straighten it out.
6/3/2004 : Thursday June 3, 9:30 am ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 2004--CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News), The Board of Directors announces that due to the encouraging results in Saskatchewan, the Company has decided to concentrate all its resources on diamond drilling at this time, and therefore has aborted the pending Mirador (MRDR) previously proposed project.
Further the Board has notified the present Transfer Agent, 1st Global Stock Transfer to do a full and complete audit of the company and/or will have an independent auditor audit the company and as soon as that audit is complete the Company has retained Pacific Stock Transfer, Inc., to become the new Transfer Agent for CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements, other than the statements of historical facts, may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the Company's products and services, the availability to the Company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the Company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the Company to manage its operations.
6/4/2004 : Friday June 4, 11:31 pm ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 4, 2004--CMKM Diamonds, Inc., (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News) president and chairman of the Board of Directors, Urban Casavant, announces that the Law Firm of Edwards & Angell has been retained to represent the Company in its desire to become fully reporting once again. Lead counsel for CMKM Diamonds, Inc., D. Roger Glenn, is a partner at the firm and has over 20 years of extensive experience in working with public companies.
Urban Casavant stated in Las Vegas today that, "hiring Edwards & Angell, LLP, and specifically Mr. Glenn, is the best thing that we could have done for the company and the shareholders. The fact that Mr. Glenn began his illustrious career with the Securities and Exchange Commission is a further feather in the company's hat. We would like to thank all of our shareholders for their patience as we have moved towards this moment and as we move forward from here as a team."
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements, other than the statements of historical facts, may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the Company's products and services, the availability to the Company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the Company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the Company to manage its operations.
Something was obviously going on in the background that caused the planned transfer to Mirador to be aborted. What it was, I believe, will be the answer to a lot of the questions that we currently have. And the infusion of a million dollars capital, pointed to the possibility that CIM was finally going to become a "player" in the mining operations of CMKX. And possibly a "safe harbor" for claims away from the dirty business that was to follow turning the tables on the "bad guys".
On July 18, "Operation Dividend" goes into effect, with USCA, followed the next day with dividends of CIM.
7/19/2004 : LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 19, 2004--CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News) has agreed to invest US$1,000,000 in Casavant International Mining referred to as (CIM). CMKM Diamonds,Inc. will receive in return a 10% lifetime royalty on all mineral claims of CIM , specifically including the George Lake Zinc Deposit, (http://www.ir.gov.sk.ca/dbsearch/MinDepositQuery/Default.asp?ID=0663) In addition to the zinc deposit royalty CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will also receive 40 billion shares of CIM stock which CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will distribute pro rata as a dividend to all CMKM shareholders of record on August 31, 2004.
Ron Casavant CEO, and Dave Desormeau Secretary/Treasurer, of Casavant International Mining (CIM) said, "The company plans to utilize these funds to initiate a drill program to re-evaluate the known reserves of the George Lake Zinc Deposit and to establish a course of action for the project. The company also plans to become a publicly-reporting company." More details will be released in future news releases.
After this, CIM goes "dead" on the PR Front. But a couple of interesting actions did take place recently. Casavant International Mining: Ater and extensive period of time in default, it is Reactivated June 29, 2005 with Ron Casavant still in the lead, but Dave Desormeau, the "no show" CMKX accountant, has been removed and replaced by Michael Williams. Are they getting it ready for something bigger?
Recently it was discovered by a poster at PB32, AlexMark, that Casavant International Mining Corp and Casavant International had been listed on the UIC Counterparties List:
"The UIC handles, principally and directly, functions of prevention and contrast of money-laundering, usury and financial intermediaries."
"In particular, the UIC performs functions connected with the reception and in-depth examination of reports of suspected operations communicated by financial intermediaries, by non-financial enterprises and, more recently, with Legislative Decree no. 56 of 2004, by regulated professions. Within this context, and based on a functional separation between financial analysis and investigative activities, the UIC has the task of elaborating on the reports, based on the financial information in its possession; the reports are then sent to the Anti-Mafia Investigation Bureau and to the Nucleo Speciale di Polizia Valutaria of the Guardia di Finanza (Special Financial Crime Unit of the Financial Police) for appropriate follow-up activities."
Cassa di Compensazione e Garanzia S.p.A. is a private company owned byBorsa Italiana S.p.A., which is responsible for managing the central counterparty system and guarantee funds for contracts and settlements.
European Investor Dictionary
Counterparty
The opposite party in a bilateral agreement, contract, or transaction. In the retail foreign exchange (or forex) context, the party to which a retail customer sends its funds; lawfully, the party must be one of those listed in Section 2(c)(2)(B)(ii)(I)-(VI) of the Commodity Exchange Act.
NOTE from the Countrparty Listing: VALIDITY DATE: 2004 Dec 01
That was pretty much the end of activity until last night's OG update from Bill Frizzell which read, in part:
"Rumors have been flying about CIM being registered in European markets. Mr. Stoecklein believes this must be another company with the same trading symbol. To his knowledge our CIM is not involved in the European markets."
Was Stoecklein confused? There is no talk of of a "trading symbol" it is clearly spelled out as "Casavant International Mining" and "Casavant International". Or is Casavant International / Mining being represented by a different attorney. Maybe one we had in December of 04?
"There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens" Ecc 3,1
Posted by Prdponce on :
"CIM" the commonly used short form for Casavant International Mining, was born on January 21, 2003 with the filing of it's Articles of Incorporation with the Nevada Secy of State. Initially CIM had an Authorized Share count of 25 million shares at a par value of .001, but on 10/20/2004 the authorized share count was increased to 500 billion with a .001 par value, indicating that in about 10 months the "par value" of the company had been increased from 25,000 dollars to 500 million dollars. What happened in between?
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UC was getting ready for CMKX 2.... 500B shares...a lot of shares to sell...
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Why would CIM be worth $500 MILLION DOLLARS?
A stupid is a stupid does....
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Prdponce: "CIM" the commonly used short form for Casavant International Mining, was born on January 21, 2003 with the filing of it's Articles of Incorporation with the Nevada Secy of State. Initially CIM had an Authorized Share count of 25 million shares at a par value of .001, but on 10/20/2004 the authorized share count was increased to 500 billion with a .001 par value, indicating that in about 10 months the "par value" of the company had been increased from 25,000 dollars to 500 million dollars. What happened in between?
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UC was getting ready for CMKX 2.... 500B shares...a lot of shares to sell...
Read the paragraph very carefully, and you dont even have to read the rest. Nevada, again. Lax rules, and UC can stay close to the "action." 25 million to 500 BILLION. Assuring that it will never be worth over .0001 Issuing shares doesnt mean the company is worth more, it just means there are more shares to sell. And that isnt the limit. Since there are no rules governing the company, they could make it 500 quadrillion if they wanted to. Looks like UC made out so well with selling CMKX stock, he is ready to try it again. This time I hope he at least gets a house someplace nice instead of in the desert. Like maybe a little hovel in Florida. Or New York, close to Wall Street.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"CIM" the commonly used short form for Casavant International Mining, was born on January 21, 2003 with the filing of it's Articles of Incorporation with the Nevada Secy of State. Initially CIM had an Authorized Share count of 25 million shares at a par value of .001, but on 10/20/2004 the authorized share count was increased to 500 billion with a .001 par value, indicating that in about 10 months the "par value" of the company had been increased from 25,000 dollars to 500 million dollars. What happened in between?
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what happened is par value was not changed. that number is not based on anything but the companies descretion. cmkx has 703 billion shares, cim a 500 billion o/s....says a lot about companies descretion.
Posted by ed19363 on :
So, the question "Got CIM", should be answered with "What, you want to rip me off AGAIN"? LOL
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Well, I am back begging fer stars.. Picked up a little battle damage today!
I see the glassman is stirring the pot over here.
If I praise U/C think I might get a 5 star from a koolaide chugger?
shakeman, whoops I mean Wallace..
Watcha think about the IPO of HOKU, think it might of got lost in all the hullabalu over BIDU?
Posted by Ric on :
Might be a bad place for begging. Already got 5 from me and the newest addition to the board already zapped me with a 1 this past week. lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: pontiyak 07 Aug 2005, 07:24 PM EDT Msg. 247360 of 247435 Jump to msg. # "Cash is King" (repost with CMKX additions)...
(from the PCBM/SRCI message board May 01/2003)
A few grape vine'ers have heard me say this, and here's why.
A company that offers extra/additional dividends of it's own common stock is not giving you anything that places additional burden or pressure, on the short sellers, or for this example your broker.
We older grape's or raisin's, remember this ploy being used over at Medina Minerals, by way of extra dividend stock from and of the parent company, and then followed by and additional percentage dividend, presumably for being good little boys and girls.
Sadly MDMN and their CEO got ensnared in the Bermuda Short thingy, and that is another story....
but ...getting back to this story, clearly their form of dividend had no impact on their purported short position.
why?? because it could be electronically materialized from thin air ( see PFA )( plucked from air ), and placed in your accounts and no accounting is done to make sure those dividends were real and supported by original shares. ( rather no one is accountabe )
Now ,lets do the same thing with cash...... you remember... that green stuff, with dead prezzies on the cover.
A company ( we'll pretent it's a company we know) declares a CASH dividend to everyone owning real shares (O/S). Lets go with .10 cents cause it's a nice round number
The company sends all it's loyal shareholders .10 for every share they own, and all are happy.
Now if there is a short position, then those unfortunate individuals have 2 choices..
1- payout the .10 on all their short positions to whomever they sold the stock too, because their broker is going to demand it, ( trust me on this) brokers do not like losses .
2- buy back their short positions ,so they don't have to pay out the cash dividend.
everybody happy so far
Now....here's where it gets both fun and fuzzy....
Instead...
Lets say company A decides to spin off one of it's smaller wholly owned subsiduaries, give the shareholders a share dividend in THAT company, and that company goes on to trade as a public company ,all it's own.
That dividend in that new spun off company is ...
"as good as cash"..
because... remember....
"cash is king"
did I loose ya...well look at this way, once a trading or book value is placed on that new spun off company, and it starts trading ,and you get your dividend shares, you can now go sell them and presto....CASH.
and everybodies happy
but if your short on this stock because you were short in the parent stock ( ratio may be important), then guess what.
Not only does your short position now become visably nekkid to whomever might be watching, but if enough people sell their dividend shares off in this new company ( for the cash ) then your brokers is gonna be calling you looking for cash on your short position as well. This could be excruciatingly painfull, if that new spun off company is doing a booming biziness, and it's share price climbs rapidly. Thus causing more people to sell off their dividend shares for even more cash.
brokers do not like losses.
"Cash is King".
starting to get the drift?....
Ok... now the company (A) decide's to spin of ANOTHER wholly owned subsiduary, and give it's loyal shareholders ANOTHER spin off dividend in the form of shares.
Or is that really cash they are giving you ? Remember "good as cash" ...
If you where short during the first spin off dividend, and remained short through to the second spin off dividend, I would not want to be you when your broker comes looking for the cash to cover all those shares that the good loyal shareholders are selling, in order to access the cash those shares are worth. ( specially if both spin offs go public at the same time )
I hope you were'nt increasing your short position through all this ???
A similar situation also applies if another company was to make a CASH tender offer for company (A), the parent company's O/S in whole or in part.
They ,the tendering company only has to come up with the cash for all real and legal shares in the O/S.
The short sellers have to come up with the cash for all those fake shares they sold, because.....
Cash is king and....
brokers do not like losses.
"Brokers/Banks ,will strip you down to your toenails and fuzzy dice, if they feel like they are in jepordy of incurring a loss "!!!!!!!!!!
And if a individual or group does something that has the effect of putting a broker or a bank in a position of incurring a loss, then you can bet your sweet patutie the Borker/bank will do EVERTHING in it's power to mitigate or lessen that loss. !!
Shorty has put the Brokers in this division of the securities industry in just such a position,because the Borkers know.....
"Cash is King", and "As good as Cash ".
IMHO all these other companies were just handing out something ( dividends) that could be manipulated electronically, but PCBM was trying to put cash in our pockets.
And that cannot be "Plucked From Air " !
Think about it, compare it to Jag, who is giving out a voucher dividend that is not dependent on the parent companies current or even future share price. It's dependent on the outcome of a lawsuit judgement in the future, and cannot be manipulated, by the short sellers. Corbel and Allpro are the same sort of non dependent share dividend, and will become...
"as good as cash"
because.....
"Cash Is King" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now lets apply this thinking to CMKX. If CMKX starts handing out more dividends, like they have already given us ( CIM,GEMM,USCA) and those companies are public trading companies, or are in the process of becoming public. We can then sell those shares, once they become free trading, for……….. Wait for it ….. CASH !! Or if CMKX or one of these other companies decides to hand out a cash dividend, like the 10% lifetime royalty we keep hearing about…. then shorties world just got a whole lot more uncomfortable. It becomes even more uncomfortable if CMKX goes private, like it appears to be trying to do.( thanks to jknudsen from Paltalk for saying this, and causing me to look at CMKX’s current struggle from a different perspective. It makes way more sense that CMKX has actually been trying to go private since 2003, and the SEC has been trying to force the company to remain public and fully disclose their financials, than what we have been thinking has been going on at first glance. ( the reverse situation). If you apply this line of thinking to why Urban pleaded the fifth, Mahue’s sudden ignorance at the hearing , and the latest auditor debacle, you could see that CMKX has no plans to become fully reporting and is practically begging the SEC to revoke them, and send them private. I think the SEC has not revoked us, and we are still trading because the next step in the plan will be very painful and embarrassing for the SEC, in a political or wall street sort of way. CMKX can cause way more pain for shorty…and consequently, shorty , by going private , and issuing and endless stream of dividends in any form. One last thing….. our early dividends are coming up on their 1 year anniversary, and it would’nt surprise me to see big things start to happen for those stocks as those dates draw near….. I f those dividend stocks can get their shareprice up, those shares become…
As good as cash, and we all know… Cash is King !
Shorty understands this and he is scared !!
Do you ?
IMHO yak
Posted by Ric on :
Notice that was from PCBM board from 2003, two years ago. Guess what, that dream never happened for PCBM and won't happen here either. CMKX is getting revoked for a reson. Its a scam. Seems funny that if you go to any of these penny scams that get revoked the same theories are recycled. Yet none has never came true.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Notice that was from PCBM board from 2003, two years ago. Guess what, that dream never happened for PCBM and won't happen here either. CMKX is getting revoked for a reson. Its a scam. Seems funny that if you go to any of these penny scams that get revoked the same theories are recycled. Yet none has never came true.
Thankyou for saving me the trouble
Leagle are you dopey? whats with you and your selective memory? Actually keep posting more jibberish as you make our case as bashers even easier. For you it's easier to deal with false hope than with no hope I guess.
So is the cmkx forums up? I read it in a PR so it must be true!!!
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New Pumping Attack « Thread Started on Yesterday at 2:54pm » In the last two days we have seen a renewed pumping attack, absolutely without any real facts, about CIM being the "thing", and CIM is going to IPO into the 20's at least.
Two sidekicks are helping in this pump, adding to strechting our expectations ( "by september 1") to just only let us down the hard way. These two guys working out of Calgary dont know anything, it is all hear say and rumors, and should not be allowed.
We had a high dose of spiked KoolAid that Acca brought to this board, and he got banned.
I expect the mods to keep an eye on this latest effort to pump.
Even if it is spearheded by so called old longs well known to this board. « Last Edit: Today at 4:54pm by carats4me »
If you apply this line of thinking to why Urban pleaded the fifth, Mahue’s sudden ignorance at the hearing , and the latest auditor debacle, you could see that CMKX has no plans to become fully reporting and is practically begging the SEC to revoke them, and send them private.
Then why all the lies over the past two years about the filing being SOON and CLOSE? If they never had any intention of filing, this proves the case that Urban Casavant is a LIAR !!!!
Posted by Ric on :
Flag on the field, illegal use of logic by Ed. 15 yard penalty.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Notice that was from PCBM board from 2003, two years ago. Guess what, that dream never happened for PCBM and won't happen here either. CMKX is getting revoked for a reson. Its a scam. Seems funny that if you go to any of these penny scams that get revoked the same theories are recycled. Yet none has never came true.
Also notice that he said that it was an old post, updated to include CMKX. You might also want to research the "connections" between PCBM/SRCI and CMKX.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: If you apply this line of thinking to why Urban pleaded the fifth, Mahue’s sudden ignorance at the hearing , and the latest auditor debacle, you could see that CMKX has no plans to become fully reporting and is practically begging the SEC to revoke them, and send them private.
Then why all the lies over the past two years about the filing being SOON and CLOSE? If they never had any intention of filing, this proves the case that Urban Casavant is a LIAR !!!!
PLANS CAN CHANGE BASED ON CIRCUMSTANCES
Posted by ed19363 on :
Then a PR should have been issued SAYING there was a change of plans. You dont get it, legal. The boss of a company is supposed to let the shareholders know WHAT IS GOING ON? And I'll probably lose another 15 yards....damn.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Then a PR should have been issued SAYING there was a change of plans. You dont get it, legal. The boss of a company is supposed to let the shareholders know WHAT IS GOING ON? And I'll probably lose another 15 yards....damn.
Could you please call Bill Gates today and ask what is the next new product that will come on the market? Or, perhaps, who they are looking at for acquisition?
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Then a PR should have been issued SAYING there was a change of plans. You dont get it, legal. The boss of a company is supposed to let the shareholders know WHAT IS GOING ON? And I'll probably lose another 15 yards....damn.
Could you please call Bill Gates today and ask what is the next new product that will come on the market? Or, perhaps, who they are looking at for acquisition?
No, but I will call him and ask him for the O/S, A/S, and float for his stock. And while I'm at it, I will read all his PRs for the last couple years and see if any outright lies were told. Then again, that isnt really necessary, is it? Comparing Bill Gates to Urban Casavant is like comparing a cadillac to a yugo. Oh, BTW, can we expect CMKX to come out with a new PRODUCT in the near future, or just more sales of stock at .00005?
Posted by ed19363 on :
IMO, you're way out of your league here, legal. I do have more than 3 brain cells still functioning.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ed, let me correct you, cmkx would have to come out with A product not a new product. as of today the only product has been cmkx shares.
by the way legal, you can call microsoft & find out what products they are working on & when expected release is. right now the new product they are working on is the new XP using 64 bit encryption instead of 32 bit. they will then be working on new office and other software to bring that into 64 bit encryption.
Posted by Ric on :
Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on that sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Posted by Ric on :
Ed: "Comparing Bill Gates to Urban Casavant is like comparing a cadillac to a yugo.
Correction, Ed. It's like comparing a showroom cadillac to an old junker just run through the crusher.
Posted by Ric on :
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members,
The SEC (Commission) earlier on this day granted the Petition For Review and accordingly ordered that briefs be filed by both parties. I have posted this document on our web site at www.cmkxownersgroup.com . This document is entitled "Order Granting Review". The brief from the company will be due on September 6, 2005 and the brief from the SEC is due on October 6, 2005. If the company wishes to reply to the SEC's response, they will have until October 20, 2005 for such reply brief. This is not a ruling on any substantive issues.
This is the Commission's agreement to review the appeal being made by the company. I am not surprised that the Commission would agree to review Judge Murray's ruling because of the large number of shareholders affected by this ruling. This does not mean the Commission has made any decisions about the company's appeal. This order merely tells the parties to file their briefs along with their arguments.
I have just received a copy of the SEC Enforcement Division's Motion For Summary Affirmance. You may view this document at our web site as well. The document is entitled "SEC Motion For Summary Affirmance". This is the SEC's attempt to have the Commission throw the appeal out without any further delay. I expect the company will make some kind of written response to this Motion. I will comment further after speaking with the company's attorney. I hope to be able to give you more information in the morning by way of another update.
Onward,
Bill
Posted by Highwaychild on :
"This order merely tells the parties to file their briefs along with their arguments."
That's what this has all been about?
CMKX has the "briefs" and claiming naked shorting, and the Commission just wants their briefs back?
Posted by Ric on :
lol
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Author Topic: Are you as frustrated as me? (Read 1,986 times) Canuck Administrator ***** member is offline
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Are you as frustrated as me? « Thread Started on Today at 9:25am » Yes, I am frustrated with the company. No doubt about it. If you are not frustrated than you are either not paying attention of don't care anymore. My frustration is because I am paying attention and I still care. I could quitely slip away if I quit caring, as many have.
I still believe in the potental of FALC and I think there are diamonds buried in the ground somewhere on our claims.
The wrath Urban faces is his own doing. He needs to be more up front and let us know what is going on. I understand that some information can not be revealed but there is a lot that can be revealed.
There has been much that has been uncovered lately that does seem to make Urban a little suspect in the way it has handled CMKX and the information that has been released. Those of you who are part of the blind following will spin everything in the best possible light. For what reason, I don't know. I guess some feel they need to keep all other shareholders in line and maybe some do not want to know the truth. It is much the same has having a lump but refusing to go to the doctor for fear of it being Cancerous. The reality is, it is either Cancerous or it is not regardless of whether we find out or not. I want to know the truth, I want to know what I have to face so I can take appropriate actions.
As anyone who knows me knows that all I seek is the truth. I am not a basher and I am not a pumper. I believe I am balanced and try to be as optimistic as possible but I need fact to back up my optimism.
If you go back over the last 3 years and read all the PRs you can see the cycle. IMO we began down the road of cycle #3 except the SEC stepped in and broke up the party for Urban and friends.
I believe that the FALC has diamonds. Urban believes that also and he knows that we know that. IMO CMKX was a means for Urban to support his lifestyle and he used the unspoken promise of diamonds and riches to draw investors in. IMO He made a half-hearted attempt at exploration, just enought to keep CMKX legit. Our drill rig is a joke and if we have more and better equipment why do we not know about it? Would this not be important information to have?
Have we been scammed? I guess that depends on how you define scam. I looked it up in the dictionary and it came back as
"A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle."
So then I looked up fraud and oddly this came up.
Deception carried out for the purpose of achieving personal gain while causing injury to another party. For example, selling a new security issue while intentionally concealing important facts related to the issue is fraud.
You decide. Have we been "scammed"?
It is time for Urban to come clean. It is time for Urban to put up or face the consequence. I need to know before I will throw one ounce of support behind this company.
Yes, I could just shut up and slip quietly away but I will not do that. I am a fighter and I am not going to sit back and take it, not from Urban, the SEC, or anyone."
The sooner we know that sooner we can move on and put this part of our lives behind us. This stock consumed me. I believed in the dream and wanted it to work. But no more. Urban needs to understand we are at a critical juncture right now.
I am not here to rally a revolt against Urban, but I do want him to come clean with us. He has done nothing to inspire support. He has refused to provide even the basics except when he was cornered and/or was forced to.
Humans have a 6th sense. We all experienced it many times in our lives. The sense that something is not right. People who rely on this for survival such as police and military know exactly what sense I am talking about. It keeps us guarded and keeps us alive. Sorry but my 6th sense is going crazy, and it is right far more often then wrong.
I pray that some day I come back and laugh at all this. I would love to re-read this post someday and chuckle at how naive I was. However, Urban has not given me much reason for hope, and hope was all I had left.
Posted by osnapd on :
Quick I need 100 CC's of kool aid STAT!
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Re: Are you as frustrated as me? « Reply #8 on Today at 9:49am » Well put Canuck. Many of us have given themselves "whole heartedly" over the past couple of years. Many have visited this board each and every day, contributed to theories and done an emense amount of research to help each of us.
Most if not all that research came from pr's from the company and/or Uncle Melvin. Our beliefs in what could be, made us share this with friends and family. Many of them invested with us hoping for "our" dream. Many of them were first time investors going on our "hunch" and research. Many of them don't know what is going on and we are continually questioned "when are we going to be rich"?
The crossroads we are now at need street signs. We NEED to know which way in the road we are to go. The lack of information and filings on CMKX leave us blind and in the dark. And we have shown our support and patience by holding firm and rallying for the company to everyone we know.
Because many true "longs" are now vocal about what has been found (information) it appears we have been misled and misrepresented. That makes our disappointment much more severe because we not only lose our money, but lose credibility with those we shared this with. To look at them and see they lost money that in some cases they couldn't afford to lose, is disconcerting to say the least. I know they haven't lost yet, but given the dilution that appears to have taken place, and the lies on Urban's part, it sure makes the dream look like a nightmare.
I too need Urban to step up and come clean. We all need to know what the hell is going on once and for all. Then at least we can prepare for whatever decisions we'll have to make. But waiting another "year or so" for the appeal process to run its course it too much for many to handle....including me.
Sheet or get off the pot Urban. The time is NOW. So do your shareholders right and explain whatever you can to reinforce their belief that CMKX "Is the stockplay of a lifetime". Otherwise, it's all bullsheet.
Nuff said and thanks Canuck for what we've had and shared here.
f4d~
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Then a PR should have been issued SAYING there was a change of plans. You dont get it, legal. The boss of a company is supposed to let the shareholders know WHAT IS GOING ON? And I'll probably lose another 15 yards....damn.
Could you please call Bill Gates today and ask what is the next new product that will come on the market? Or, perhaps, who they are looking at for acquisition?
OH MAN!
You stupid twit You dare compare Bill Gates to Urban You are such a dim wit your brain needs a wheelchair too
Posted by osnapd on :
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Re: Are you as frustrated as me? « Reply #32 on Today at 11:24am » What about pr'ing retirement and diluting instead?
What about saying you're using 40 billion of your own shares (to avoid diluting the share structure) for the Nevada deal...........AND YOU DON'T HAVE 40 BILLION SHARES?
Ah crap.......I could go on and on.....but it isn't worth it anymore.
If you guys can't see that the Messiah Urban has done some bad shiet, then why should I try to convince you otherwise.
Pass the stinkin kool-aid.
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Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi. Well you know I don’t, really. I just wanted to get you in here to have a chat. Truth is, no one knows. Not me, not you. Not georgeburns, fishing4diamonds, Canuck, phxgold, zeninvestor, JJ, tramp, Dr.Diamond or even the newer posters like mrabner, longterm or for that matter…any of the other brand name posters.
If any one really knew what was going to happen or when, they wouldn’t be on this board…or any board. So what’s the point? That IS the point. The whole idea is to discuss the information that is discovered, uncovered, learned or even rumored. The information, not necessarily the informer. And in my opinion, that’s the focus we need to get back to.
If you’re negative on the stock right now, or the principles of the company, it is fine to post that point of view and the associated reasoning when pertinent. But it ought not be fine to try to convince others that your opine is the only one someone should subscribe to. “I’m not feeling very positive and here’s why…do you think this makes sense?” If you think they’re idiots for not “seeing it” then laugh to yourself, rather than cause chaos by ripping them on the board. (“Kool-Aid gulping…”)
If you remain positive on the stock right now, or the principles of the company, it is fine to post that point of view and the associated reasoning as applicable. But if ought not be fine to tell another person to take a long walk off short pier just because they don’t feel the same way or share the same optimism. “I still think there is great promise here because…am I missing it, or do you see my point?” If you think they’re idiots for not “seeing it” then laugh to yourself, rather than telling them to sell their shares and leave. (“basher”)
Regardless of where you’re at, to accentuate your position as the FACTS is to color the opposite position as not fact. Mindshare is the goal of all sellers and if you can convince enough people to your point of view then you can achieve a tipping point for your objective. Politics at work. People fall for conventional wisdom every time and when you shift people's perceptions, their actions follow.
If georgeburns’ father is as astute as GB thinks he is (“where there is confusion there is profit”) then GB your dad couldn’t have picked a better stock or timing for that saying to be applied to—and this must be very profitable! Confusion reigns right now. Regardless if you are pro or con at the moment, one thing we can all agree on is that there are CMKX detractors out there. Those market influencers that would like nothing more than to divide the solidarity of shareholders. Those that would like for you to lose your faith in the company, your investment savvy, your resolve. If they can come to this board or any other and sow discord, they take one step closer to achieving their goal.
I know what you’re thinking…who is this nut that he posts as though he has all the answers? I recognize that I don’t, so you can save your fingers from sending the message. But that’s why I am here…to try to make heads or tails of the situation. I see the negative and the documents that appear to confirm some of it. It’s tough stuff, to be sure. I see the assets attributed to the company. They remain promising if confirmed. I am taking both the good and the bad and tempering it with my own resolve to wait it out. It’s risky, to be sure. Is it smart? Maybe not. But it is what it is and until we hear directly from the company or the SEC or both—there is no sense in railing on one another, IMO.
pr
Posted by osnapd on :
Urban's Full statement is as follows.
"We only want to comply with federal regulations and do what is right for our stockholders. If the Commission deems it in our stockholders best interest to forbid us from providing information through filings with the Commission, we will comply," stated Urban Casavant, president of CMKX.
First off, there is no rule or regulation that forbids Urban from providing information through filings. By far the the most important information that Shareholders desire at this point are items that would appear in an annual or quarterly report, such as:
- Assets and Liabilities - Cash flow statements - Balance sheets - Statement of stockholders' equity - Notes to the Financial Statements
Now it is true that it would be unwise to put out another "CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces 'Carolyn Pipe' Lab Results Confirm Diamondiferous Kimberlite" PR while withholding the true lab results. This would be frowned upon. I dare say if they had of kept releasing these type of PR during the Halt or Administrative Proceedings we may not have the luxury of a review of Judge Murray's decision.
In a following PR 5/4/2005 - CMKM Diamonds Updates Stockholders on the Status of the Upcoming Administrative Hearing
CMKM stated:
"CMKX believes it is in the best interest of its stockholders to be informed about the securities in which its stockholders invest and CMKX acknowledges that all of its stockholders have a right to access public information."
"CMKX reminds its stockholders and the investing public that all corporate updates will be made solely through press releases and/or current reports on Form 8-K as and when they become available."
Urban has obviously changed his tune when it comes to the dissemination of information. The company speaks of the need for shareholders to have information and How CMKX will communicate to its shareholders and the SEC. Gone is the threat to withdraw information.
Posted by legaleagle on :
The plagiarism is really getting out of hand. If you can't come up with an intelligent and reasonable thought, please don't steal others thoughts and posts.
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Today at 8:52pm, TRRonin wrote: Today at 8:48pm, Sarge wrote:
There is no debate. This is from a company PR.
CMKM Diamonds Comments On SEC Administrative Proceeding 3/24/2005 :
"CMKX believes that it is required to have its securities registered under Section 12 of the Exchange Act as a result of the number of its stockholders, at least 698 in July 2003 and in excess of 2000 in February 2005."
things change.
glad you singled me out though. im a lazy guy and i was not going to bother bringing this up but what the heck.
"Urban's Statement about the SEC not wanting CMKM to communicate to shareholders was erroneous and completely false."
prove it. or add imo.
Trronin,
Urban's Full statement is as follows.
"We only want to comply with federal regulations and do what is right for our stockholders. If the Commission deems it in our stockholders best interest to forbid us from providing information through filings with the Commission, we will comply," stated Urban Casavant, president of CMKX.
First off, there is no rule or regulation that forbids Urban from providing information through filings. By far the the most important information that Shareholders desire at this point are items that would appear in an annual or quarterly report, such as:
- Assets and Liabilities - Cash flow statements - Balance sheets - Statement of stockholders' equity - Notes to the Financial Statements
Now it is true that it would be unwise to put out another "CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces 'Carolyn Pipe' Lab Results Confirm Diamondiferous Kimberlite" PR while withholding the true lab results. This would be frowned upon. I dare say if they had of kept releasing these type of PR during the Halt or Administrative Proceedings we may not have the luxury of a review of Judge Murray's decision.
In a following PR 5/4/2005 - CMKM Diamonds Updates Stockholders on the Status of the Upcoming Administrative Hearing
CMKM stated:
"CMKX believes it is in the best interest of its stockholders to be informed about the securities in which its stockholders invest and CMKX acknowledges that all of its stockholders have a right to access public information."
"CMKX reminds its stockholders and the investing public that all corporate updates will be made solely through press releases and/or current reports on Form 8-K as and when they become available."
Urban has obviously changed his tune when it comes to the dissemination of information. The company speaks of the need for shareholders to have information and How CMKX will communicate to its shareholders and the SEC. Gone is the threat to withdraw information.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...facts are facts. just because you & the rest of the cult do not want them to be facts doesn't change anything. this chit about...i'm feeling negitive today & here's why or i'm positive today is meaningless. having a hunch about a stock is 1 thing but when facts come out stating your hunch is wrong you accept it & sell. if those facts say the company is a fraud you sue or work to get the correct ppl in jail. the master list includes transactions from 2003 until 2005, just before the list was given to the SEC. you have a large auditor saying there are things that are not looking legal here, why? he talked & met with cmkx & after that talk decided everything from that point on better be in writing, not verbal. not a good thing. the company lawyer say UC had the right to issue or loan out whatever he wanted to. the cmkx lawyer says less then 25% of the need info to create auditable books is available. you think a lawyer is going to put a bold face lie in the public record with that statement??? that cmkx might really have all the books?? you think because mahoo is there it cant be a scam...remember a guy named Judas??? which side did he end up on??? i think it had something to do with silver, the cash of the day. at 87 its probably easy to keep him in the dark what with promoting his book & all. you have the SEC asking the auditor to help them find ppl connected to cmkx. 99.9% of the time ppl hide when guilty of a crime. 99.9% of the time they are easy to find if not guilty. UC can't hide or criminal charges will be brought. with the facts out right now feeling a bit negitive SHOULD be an understatement.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Well, they may not show up here, but from what I read, there are a lot of people who are disillusioned by UC and his goings on. More are demanding information to which they are entitled. More are dropping the koolaid facade, and saying how they really feel. I guess those of us here were just a bit ahead of the times. It will all catch up with UC in the future. I just hope it doesnt take another 5 years for the truth to finally come out.
Posted by Ric on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, after some sleuthing, I did in fact identify Jay Adobe and confront him. For reasons I can't disclose, I struck a deal with him. I will keep his identity confidential and, in exchange, he agreed to help me and others understand himself more completely. Accordingly, he wrote the following which I present to you. After reading it, you will be able to think and see things from his perspective.
Speaking Jay Adobese
Lesson 1: Scripting
When people ask relevant questions that have no good answer, tell them it was scripted.
Example:
Mock occurrence - Bob Maheu dies of a heart attack.
Response:
If you really believe this heart attack wasn't scripted from the beginning, you haven't followed too closely. We are in good hands and, even in death, Mr. Maheu can condition atmospheres. Try not to see the negative and instead understand how his passing fit this plan perfectly. The judge, Ms. Hakala, Don Stoecklein and other prominent officials were all well aware of Bob's myocardial infarction in advance and are acting on this public stage perfectly. It has all been scripted and is simply playing out.
Lesson 2 :Backpedaling
When posters uncover evidence that disproves your lies, simply ignore them or better yet, compound the lie with more.
Example: A poster discovers that the 360 shareholders were in fact not all indians on reservations. In fact, tangibly none were.
Backpedal response: You have not compared names. Do all indians have indian sounding names? Research the list and you will be surprised at what you will find.
HOT TIP: Advanced Backpedaling technique - Confuse them further with long lists. The more exhaustive the list, the more knowledgeable you will appear. Example: The Indians may in fact have long been a part of a long list of entities that make cmkx unique such as Shane, USCA, Wescan, Diagem, SGGM, Stoecklein, Urban, Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum, Freddy Kruegger, Iron SpongeBob, Madonna, Jim Henson's Muppets, Tonya Harding and Ralphie from A Christmas Story.
Lesson 3: Time Management
With so many expectations, shareholders always want to know a timeline. The trick is to perpetually keep resolution possible, but safely out of reach.
The "Tack" Approach: There is literally no delay that can't be refuted by "These are simply tacks thrown in our way, but they cannot stop us."
The "We Wait" Approach: This one could stop Jeff Gordon on a dime. Shareholders cannot repel this uber-response. Couple this with a "The script is being played out" (see above) and you have a lethal headlock on any possible shareholder rebuttal.
Lesson 4: Predictions
Make frequent predictions that will prove wrong. While this might seem counterintuitive, you actually STRENGTHEN your credibility when you come back unphased and making new predictions, thus ushering in a chorus of "Nobody could be that wrong that many times and still be that confident. Thus he must be right."
I hope you understand why I must keep Mr. Adobe's identity a secret at this time. Hopefully, the above primer has to some extent lifted the veil of secrecy by this very credible poster and helped you to understand.
Posted by bill1352 on :
you would think that at some point the paid pumpers would shut up & fade away...wishful thinking i guess. but then where else can we get such fantastic theories....lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
Maheu and Deception
Ran across an interesting article this morning that contained a little story about Maheu and one of his "CIA backed deceptions". It gives us a bit of an idea about how he works and how deception is utilized in "atmosphere conditioning".
Maheu and Deception
After having some success in circulating the rumor, the CIA decided to come up with "proof." According to Blum: "A substantial effort was made to come up with a pornographic film or at least some still photographs that could pass for Sukarno and his Russian girl friend engaged in his favorite activity. When scrutiny of available porno films (supplied by the Chief of Police of Los Angeles) failed to turn up a couple who could pass for Sukarno (dark and bald) and a beautiful blonde Russian woman, the CIA undertook to produce its own films... The outcome of this effort was a film produced for the Agency by Robert Maheu, former FBI agent and intimate of Howard Hughes. Maheu s film starred an actor who resembled Sukarno.... The CIA also developed a full- face mask of the Indonesian leader which was sent to Los Angeles where the police were to pay some porno-film actor to wear it during his big scene. This project resulted in some photographs, although they apparently were never used. In other parts of the world, at other times, the CIA has done better in this line of work, having produced sex films of target subjects caught in flagrante delicto who had been lured to Agency safe-houses by female agents" (Blum, at pages 110-111).
Deception as Science
Social psychology textbooks list several ways in which audiences can be deceived by propaganda. First of all, audiences are more likely to accept an idea if they believe it was heard inadvertently; in other words, there is a natural tendency to resist a message that is presented in an assertive way, while there will be far less negative reaction if the audience hears the same theme in a context that is relatively "matter-of-fact." Audiences are also more likely to actually change their opinions if they receive a message from a variety of sources that mutually reinforce one another. Similarly, people tend to approve of a statement made by someone who is in some way similar to them, an expert on the topic under discussion, or one who begins by expressing an opinion with which the listener (or viewer or reader) strongly agrees. Under some circumstances, propaganda messages can be made more potent by incorporating opposing arguments in a way that tends to discredit them, while at the same time giving the audience the impression that it is hearing both side of the debate. In large operations, propagandists often stimulate changes in attitudes by generating a "band-wagon effect" -- creating the false impression that a particular set of beliefs is more widely accepted than it really is. And where a specific behavioral change is the intended goal of a communications campaign, it is extremely useful to get members of the target group either to express the idea publicly (thereby committing themselves to it) or to engage in the desired conduct in some way short of compulsion (so that they assume "ownership" of the idea). In either case, the tendency is to continue to defend the opinion or action and in so doing to internalize the propaganda. There is no question that propaganda which discreetly and consistently applies these principles can produce profound and far reaching changes in the societies against whom it is directed. The reasons are relatively simple. Individuals are part of groups. They share customs and common values with other members of the groups to whom they belong.
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
(Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist
Moreover, particularly with respects to public forums such as newspaper letters to the editor, and Internet chat and news groups, the disinfo type has a very important role. In these forums, the principle topics of discussion are generally attempts by individuals to cause other persons to become interested in their own particular position, idea, or solution -- very much in development at the time. People often use such mediums as a sounding board and in hopes of pollination to better form their ideas. Where such ideas are critical of government or powerful, vested groups (especially if their criminality is the topic), the disinfo artist has yet another role -- the role of nipping it in the bud. They also seek to stage the concept, the presenter, and any supporters as less than credible should any possible future confrontation in more public forums result due to their early successes. You can often spot the disinfo types at work here by the unique application of "higher standards" of discussion than necessarily warranted. They will demand that those presenting arguments or concepts back everything up with the same level of expertise as a professor, researcher, or investigative writer. Anything less renders any discussion meaningless and unworthy in their opinion, and anyone who disagrees is obviously stupid -- and they generally put it in exactly those terms.
So, as you read any such discussions, particularly so in Internet news groups (NG), decide for yourself when a rational argument is being applied and when disinformation, psyops (psychological warfare operations) or trickery is the tool. Accuse those guilty of the later freely. They (both those deliberately seeking to lead you astray, and those who are simply foolish or misguided thinkers) generally run for cover when thus illuminated, or -- put in other terms, they put up or shut up (a perfectly acceptable outcome either way, since truth is the goal.) Here are the twenty-five methods and seven traits, some of which don't apply directly to NG application. Each contains a simple example in the form of actual (some paraphrased for simplicity) from NG comments on commonly known historical events, and a proper response. Accusations should not be overused -- reserve for repeat offenders and those who use multiple tactics. Responses should avoid falling into emotional traps or informational sidetracks, unless it is feared that some observers will be easily dissuaded by the trickery. Consider quoting the complete rule rather than simply citing it, as others will not have reference. Offer to provide a complete copy of the rule set upon request (see permissions statement at end):
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil Become incredulous and indignant Create rumor mongers Use a straw man Sidetrack opponents with name calling, ridicule Hit and Run Question motives Invoke authority Play Dumb Associate opponent charges with old news Establish and rely upon fall-back positions Enigmas have no solution Alice in Wonderland Logic Demand complete solutions Fit the facts to alternate conclusions Vanish evidence and witnesses Change the subject Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Ignore facts, demand impossible proofs False evidence Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor Manufacture a new truth Create bigger distractions Silence critics Vanish Eight Traits of The Disinformationalist
Avoidance Selectivity Coincidental Teamwork Anti-conspiratorial Artificial Emotions Inconsistent Newly Discovered: Time Constant
Posted by santacruzblur on :
You are such an idiot legal! Maheu is VERY OLD.... he took the job for the money! Sure, he wants to help, but read the court transcripts... HE KNOWS NOTHING! And don't tell us he was 'playing' the court.... this sounds like perjury... and I don't think 'Iron Bob' is looking to get a huge fine or go to jail!
Maheu is about as useful to CMKX as Frank Gifford being brought back to quarterback for the New England Patriots.
I feel sorry for your gene pool.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Is this the kind of man you would pick for YOUR board of directors? Think about it !!! He sounds just as bad as some of the worst crooks in the US. The end DOES NOT justify the means.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Let's get real for a minute. Is there anybody we can call to find out when the restriction will be lifted on the USCA and GEMM dividends?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Built upon Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression by David Martin, the following may be useful to the initiate in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives. The more a particular party fits the traits and is guilty of following the rules, the more likely they are a professional disinfo artist with a vested motive. People can be bought, threatened, or blackmailed into providing disinformation, so even "good guys" can be suspect in many cases.
Posted by Prdponce on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Built upon Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression by David Martin, the following may be useful to the initiate in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives. The more a particular party fits the traits and is guilty of following the rules, the more likely they are a professional disinfo artist with a vested motive. People can be bought, threatened, or blackmailed into providing disinformation, so even "good guys" can be suspect in many cases.
WTF all of this have to do with the stock market? Should have known better, this is CMKX thread....
Posted by ed19363 on :
legal has no facts, he just likes to hear himself babble.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation"
W: All of that stuff fits you perfectly legal. It also fits UC.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Methinks Iron Bob should be called Lead Bob. You know, the stuff they make sinkers out of??
Posted by legaleagle on :
ed, have you sold your shares yet? If it is a scam and going down the tubes, why wouldn't you get out with a little money.?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Be careful, ed, or the faithful will have CMKX discovering vaulable lead deposits.
Posted by ed19363 on :
legal I believe we discussed this before. I hold 22M shares. Selling them at .00003 wouldnt even cover the charges for selling them. So, I'm stuck holding them. And just in case UC ever gets a class action suit, I can show them to the lawyer. You never know how these things work out. Wallace, thanks for the laugh. I think I have lead deposits in my back yard, wonder if UC would like to buy the mineral rights.....
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Built upon Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression by David Martin, the following may be useful to the initiate in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives. The more a particular party fits the traits and is guilty of following the rules, the more likely they are a professional disinfo artist with a vested motive. People can be bought, threatened, or blackmailed into providing disinformation, so even "good guys" can be suspect in many cases.
More and more I swear the pic really is noahtl
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ed, have you sold your shares yet? If it is a scam and going down the tubes, why wouldn't you get out with a little money.?
For a tax write off dumby.
Next question
Posted by bill1352 on :
Built upon Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression by David Martin, the following may be useful to the initiate in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives. The more a particular party fits the traits and is guilty of following the rules, the more likely they are a professional disinfo artist with a vested motive. People can be bought, threatened, or blackmailed into providing disinformation, so even "good guys" can be suspect in many cases.
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if that aint the cult & paid pumpers & cmkx then i'm a hundred million share holdin, card carryin, kool aide drinkin cult member.....lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
going after someones handicap or serious health problem in not ok osnap...questioning each other mental abilities or ability to except reality is a given on both sides of the fence. but IMO that pic is in bad taste & not ok.
Posted by legaleagle on :
osnap, what are you about 18 or 19 years old? You seem to have a rather obscene fascination and preoccupation with my disability. Sorry, but I am not sensitive about it nor am I affected by your attempts to humiliate me about it. I draw great strength and satisfaction from being able to survive each day and continue to function somewhat normally. Actually I am more concerned about anyone thinking that I might in some way be "weaker" because of it, or feeling sorry for me. But if you would ever like to test that, please drag your cowardly little ass out from behind your pseudonym, and meet me man to man.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
osnap,
PLEASE! Knock off the crap about a disability. It does you no good and leaves a terrible impression of you.
It also provides legaleagle(aka noahltl) a forum for sympathy.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace you can't even do something decent without making it a bash.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
STFU legal
You want sympathy?
Posted by Ric on :
So UCAD lied about its 2004 financials. Very interesting.
UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549 -------------------------
FORM 8-K CURRENT REPORT
PURSUANT TO SECTION 13 OR 15(d) OF THE SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
March 29,2005 (Date of earliest event reported)
U.S. CANADIAN MINERALS, INC. (Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in Charter)
Nevada 0-25523 33-0843633 (State or Other (Commission File No.) (IRS Employer Jurisdiction of Identification No.) Incorporation)
4955 S. Durango Suite 216, Las Vegas, Nevada 89113 (Address of Principal Executive Offices)
(702) 433-8223 (Registrants telephone number, including area code)
Not Applicable (Former Name or Former Address, if Changed Since Last Report)
Check the appropriate box below if the Form 8-K filing is intended to simultaneously satisfy the filing obligation of the registrant under any of the following provisions 38: (see General Instructions A.2. below)
Written communications pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act (17 CFR 230.425)
Soliciting material pursuant to Rule 14a-12 under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14a-12) Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 14d-2(b) under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14d-2(b)) Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 13e-4(c) under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.13e-4(c))
Item 4.02 Non Reliance on Previously Issued Financial Statements or a Related Audit Report or Completed Interim Review
On March 29, 2005, the registrant concluded that its previously issued financial statements,(i)as of and for the nine months ended September 30, 2004, as filed in the registrant's Quarterly Report on Form 10-QSB on November 16, 2004,(ii)as of and for six months ended June 30, 2004, as filed in the registrants Quarterly Report on Form 10-QSB on August 23, 2004 and (iii) as of and for the three months ended March 31, 2004 as filed in the registrants Quarterly Report on Form 10-QSB on May 21, 2004, should no longer be relied upon because of an error in such financial statements. The error is in the methodology used to value the mineral rights acquired by the registrant, which resulted in the value of such mineral rights being overstated.
SIGNATURE
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
U.S. CANADIAN MINERALS, INC.
By: /s/ John Woodward Name: John Woodward Title: President
Date: March 30, 2005
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Posted by Ric on :
2005-08-09 20:28 ET - Street Wire
Also Street Wire (U-*SEC) U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
by Lee M. Webb
CMKM Diamonds Inc.'s petition for review of Chief Administrative Law Judge Brenda P. Murray's July 12 initial decision to revoke the company's stock registration has been granted by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Under the review briefing schedule, the appellate process could stretch into late October and beyond.
Following the Aug. 5 order granting the petition for review, the SEC enforcement division filed a motion for summary affirmation of Judge Murray's initial decision.
Among other things, the SEC's Aug. 8 motion claims that prompt revocation "is urgently needed to protect the investing public from a publicly registered company that continues to operate in shadows and in secret."
The order
As previously reported by Stockwatch, CMKM's lawyer Donald Stoecklein filed a three-page petition for review of Judge Murray's decision on July 29.
In his petition, the lawyer for Urban Casavant's massively diluted subpenny pink sheet promotion raised objections to four allegedly erroneous conclusions of law and took exception to six findings of fact and the conclusions drawn from them in Judge Murray's initial decision.
While it was far from clear, at least from a lay perspective, that Mr. Stoecklein's petition provided "a reasonable showing" of prejudicial error in the proceedings or that Judge Murray's decision embodied erroneous findings and conclusions of material fact or reviewable exercises of discretion, the SEC issued an order granting the petition for review on Aug. 5.
According to the briefing schedule in the Aug. 5 order, CMKM has until Sept. 6 to file a brief in support of the petition for review. The SEC enforcement division, represented by Leslie Hakala and Gregory Glynn, then has until Oct. 6 to file an opposition brief. Rounding out the briefing schedule, CMKM can file a reply brief by Oct. 20.
It remains to be seen whether that briefing schedule stretching the appeal process at least into late October will be followed, given that the SEC filed a motion for summary affirmation of Judge Murray's initial decision on Aug. 8.
The motion
According to the SEC, no issue raised in Judge Murray's initial decision warrants consideration of further oral or written arguments.
Ms. Hakala claims that CMKM "has egregiously and repeatedly" violated its reporting obligations by failing to file quarterly and annual reports since 2002 and those violations "are virtually certain to continue" because the company has no independent auditor, no financial statements to audit and cannot even estimate when it will be able to file periodic reports.
"In its Petition for Review filed on July 29, 2005, CMKM Diamonds offers no reasonable showing of prejudicial error committed in this proceeding," Ms. Hakala claims. "Accordingly, summary affirmance is appropriate in this matter."
In a footnote, the SEC lawyer says that apart from reciting the language of the relevant rule in its petition, "CMKM Diamonds does not suggest that this matter involves any exercises of discretion or important policy or legal decisions requiring the Commission's review."
"The Division agrees that this case does not raise any meaningful exercises of discretion or any novel or important policy or legal issues," Ms. Hakala remarks.
According to Ms. Hakala, summary affirmation of Judge Murray's initial decision is warranted for another reason.
"For almost three years, CMKM Diamonds has illegally denied its shareholders and the investing public accurate and complete information about its finances and activities," the SEC lawyer claims. "During this period, trading volume of CMKM Diamonds' stock has regularly exceeded one billion shares per day.
"Unless the Commission summarily affirms the Initial Decision, this harm to the investing public is likely to continue during a protracted appellate process.
"Prompt revocation of CMKM Diamonds' stock is urgently needed to protect the investing public from a publicly registered company that continues to operate in shadows and in secret."
In her argument, Ms. Hakala points out that eight of CMKM's 10 objections to the initial decision "relate only to Judge Murray's findings and conclusions regarding the false Form 15 filed in July 2003."
"Specifically, CMKM Diamonds disputes Judge Murray's evidentiary findings regarding the circumstances under which the false Form 15 was filed (in particular, that it was filed in bad faith), and her conclusions in law regarding the effect of that false filing," Ms. Hakala writes. "As detailed in the lengthy Initial Decision, however, the evidence developed in this proceeding fully supports Judge Murray's findings and conclusions regarding the false Form 15.
"Indeed, the Division notes that CMKM Diamonds itself offered no evidence whatsoever regarding the false Form 15.
"As Judge Murray wrote, 'The public hearing was an opportunity for CMKM Diamonds to address the allegations in the OIP. It failed to do so. Casavant seems to be the only person running the company and he refused to testify.'"
Ms. Hakala goes on to argue that even if the judge erred regarding the Form 15, "such error would be neither prejudicial nor material."
Indeed, the SEC lawyer writes, Judge Murray took that possibility into account in her decision, noting that even accepting CMKM's arguments regarding the Form 15, the company was required to file all missing periodic reports by April 18 and still had not filed the required reports by the date of the initial decision.
"In other words, regardless of the factual findings and legal conclusions relating to the Form 15, CMKM Diamonds remains in violation of the federal securities laws, and the registration of its securities should therefore be revoked," Ms. Hakala says. "Thus, CMKM Diamonds' eight purported objections relating to the Form 15 make no difference to the outcome of this case and do not support a reasonable showing of prejudicial error."
According to Ms. Hakala, CMKM's other two objections "merely assert without explanation" that CMKM has not violated securities laws with respect to reporting obligations.
"These bald assertions are without evidentiary support," the SEC lawyer writes.
Ms. Hakala points out that CMKM admits that its stock is registered, that it is obligated to file periodic reports and that it has failed to file any reports since 2002.
"CMKM Diamonds' unsupported objections to the contrary, the company has not made a reasonable showing that Judge Murray erred in concluding that CMKM Diamonds has violated -- and continues to violate -- the reporting provisions of the federal securities laws," Ms. Hakala argues. "Therefore, summary affirmation of the Initial Decision is appropriate."
Ms. Hakala goes on to argue that the public interest is best served by summarily affirming the initial decision in order to promptly revoke CMKM's stock registration.
"Although CMKM Diamonds has not devoted any meaningful effort towards preparing auditable financial statements in the past three years, it has purportedly engaged in numerous multi-million dollar transactions," Ms. Hakala writes. "For example, the company allegedly received $3-million from U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. and $10-million from St. George Metals Inc. in exchange for mineral claims in 2004.
"Unfortunately, the company seems to have no idea where that money went, and shareholders have no way of finding out."
Interestingly, while Ms. Hakala posed some questions during the May 10 evidentiary hearing regarding the $3-million purportedly received from U.S. Canadian Minerals and referred to that same amount in briefs, the company reportedly anted up far more than that for a stake in CMKM. (All amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
Indeed, according to SEC filings by U.S. Canadian Minerals, the Nevada-based company poured $13.5-million into CMKM. According to U.S. Canadian Minerals, Mr. Casavant and four members of his family provided the cash that was subsequently funnelled into CMKM.
U.S. Canadian Minerals is under investigation by the SEC, as is St. George Metals, and the company is badly delinquent with its annual report for 2004. On March 30, moreover, U.S. Canadian Minerals filed an 8-K disclosing that its three quarterly reports for 2004 should no longer be relied upon.
"Likewise, it appears that CMKM Diamonds may have issued over $24.6-million worth of stock in 2003, but the company's bookkeeper does not know why," Ms. Hakala continues. "And, the company may have acquired $56-million in jade, but cannot definitively explain what happened to that purported asset.
"By failing to file required reports, CMKM Diamonds has been able to operate in shadows and in secret, relieved of the obligation to keep its shareholders, regulators and the investing public apprised of its actual activities or lack thereof.
"Indeed, after this proceeding was instituted in March 2005, CMKM Diamonds itself publicly acknowledged "its inability to provide accurate information about its financial condition.
"As Judge Murray wrote, 'the investing public has received only self-serving statements from persons promoting CMKM Diamonds.'"
Ms. Hakala goes on to remark that despite the lack of reliable information, "CMKM Diamonds' stock trades at exceptionally high volumes."
In fact, CMKM has traded at even higher volumes than perhaps realized by the SEC, which relied on flawed data provided by Bloomberg.
As previously reported by Stockwatch, CMKM has traded such massive volumes that many quote services, evidently including Bloomberg, have not been able to accurately report the daily totals.
In simple terms, the volume counters used by many quote services "turn over" much like a vehicle odometer once they hit a certain point.
In more technical terms, most software uses a 32-bit signed integer to represent volumes, therefore the maximum possible value is 2,147,483,647.
CMKM regularly traded more than 2.15 billion shares per day, topped 10 billion shares on many occasions and once notched an astounding 39.6 billion shares. Those whopping volumes were not accurately reported in the Bloomberg data relied upon by the SEC.
In any event, even the under-reported trading volumes are evidently high enough to cause the SEC some concern.
"Under these circumstances and given that CMKM Diamonds has made no reasonable showing of prejudicial error, summary affirmance of the Initial Decision is appropriate to ensure the prompt protection of the investing public," Ms. Hakala writes.
"As things now stand, the public lacks access to complete and reliable information about CMKM Diamonds, including its financial status, business activities or stock issuances," the SEC lawyer continues. "Thus, the public cannot make informed investment decisions.
"This lack of information is certain to continue, given that CMKM Diamonds has made little progress towards preparing its financial statements, that the company's outside auditor has resigned and that the company is unable to estimate when it will file reports."
Coming to the end of her 10-page motion, Ms. Hakala takes a swipe at CMKM's July 29 petition for review.
"Most recently, CMKM Diamonds has filed a virtually frivolous Petition for Review, likely in hopes that full review by the Commission of this matter will allow it even more time to conduct its activities without public scrutiny or disclosure," the SEC lawyer writes.
"Since 2002, CMKM Diamonds has utterly deprived the investing public of 'the primary tool which Congress has fashioned for the protection of investors from negligent, careless, and deliberate misrepresentations,'" Ms. Hakala continues. "To promptly stop such misconduct and the resultant harm to investors, the Commission should summarily affirm the Initial Decision."
Under SEC rules, CMKM has five days from the date of service to file an opposition brief to Ms. Hakala's motion for summary affirmation of Judge Murray's initial decision. Assuming CMKM files an opposition brief, the SEC will have three days to file a reply brief.
The saga continues.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by legaleagle: [QB] Wallace you can't even do something decent without making it a bash.
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Wallace, thats something my daughter used to say when she went " teenager "...
Nothing implied there Legaleagle..
Just thought it was kinda funny.LOL
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: osnap, what are you about 18 or 19 years old? You seem to have a rather obscene fascination and preoccupation with my disability. Sorry, but I am not sensitive about it nor am I affected by your attempts to humiliate me about it. I draw great strength and satisfaction from being able to survive each day and continue to function somewhat normally. Actually I am more concerned about anyone thinking that I might in some way be "weaker" because of it, or feeling sorry for me. But if you would ever like to test that, please drag your cowardly little ass out from behind your pseudonym, and meet me man to man.
Imbecille it has nothing to do with your handicap, like the clown in the picture he is about to get killed but is laughing away like a moron. Likewise nothing you post makes a lick of sense but yet you post away like all is well meanwhile the stock is about to be revoked. I posted tons of questions on the stock and as usual your stupid ass ignores them and posts nonsense from god knows where.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"I posted tons of questions on the stock and as usual your stupid ass ignores them and posts nonsense from god knows where."
Yes, I do.
Yes, He does.
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Interesting read.... « Thread Started on Yesterday at 4:51pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a letter found on the net that was submitted in an attempt to support CMKX.
It was not written by me, but it gives me a sense of well being that I'm not insane....
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Below is a copy of a letter written to the Honorable Judge Brenda P. Murray. I feel that in the reading of this letter that you will get a better estimation of the gravidity of the situation, than if I were to try to spell out everything from the beginning..
However, for clarification here is brief introduction. The letter is written to the Honorable Judge Brenda P. Murray in response to action that has been taking by the SEC against a new small diamond mining company based in Las Vegas called CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX). 56,000 shareholders have invested money, into this stock, that they cannot afford to loose. It is estimated that the shares would be worth in excess of one dollar per share today, if this dilution caused by the counterfeiting of shares had not occurred.
Instead of our government's Security Exchange Commission protecting the existing shareholders as they are required to do by governing laws. They are trying to delist the company from being able to trade shares on the market. If this happens, the end result will be that the shares held by shareholders will become worthless. Section one article eight of the Constitution, requires Congress to punish those who counterfeit money or securities.
In trying to battle this situation, and in order to raise the working capital that was needed. The company had to issue billions of shares. This counterfieting of shares is hurting the company, shareholders and the stock market, and our government appears to be taken the side of those who are doing this crime.
Here is that letter..
The Honorable Brenda P. Murray Chief Administrative Law Judge 450 5th Street, N.W. Mail Stop 1106 Washington, D.C. 20549-1106
Your Honor:
This letter is written in the hopes that the information I provide will help in your decision regarding CMKM Diamonds. I have been a shareholder in this company for over 18 months only after doing extensive due dilligence. My partners and I have gone to great lengths spending hundreds of dollars and manhours in order to follow the paper trails associated with the claims held by CMKX. I have researched miles of paper in documents, laws, contracts, deeds and have come to one conclusion, CMKX is a viable company.
I have watched CMKX trade shares in the billions on a daily basis. I have seen the company raise their authorized shares to a staggering 800 billion shares. I have watched the company state that the outstanding shares is 703,518,875,000. Many things on the surface seemed out of the ordinary until further researched. The definitive 14c filed by CMKX in Feb 2003 states some interesting things. I hope you have reviewed it for what it truly is, a contract. In that contract there are a group of people listed as "the sellers". These people hold not more than 4.9% of CMKX individually and a total of 85.8% of CMKX collectively. What I find interesting is that these shares are deemed "unaccessable" according to the contract until registered with the SEC. That means to me that 85.8% or 603,619,194,750 of this companies 703,518,875,000 shares cannot even trade, that leaves 99,899,680,250. I'm sure it has struck you as strange that the DTCC claims to have 404 billion shares under CEDE and Co. control. Another thing I find a little strange, which has probably piqued your interest as well, is that under contract, Mr. Casavant cannot divulge this information unless he is court ordered to do so. I'm sure you figured that out when he pleaded the fifth amendment in your court.
I also find it interesting that Ameritrade has halted the ability for its clients to buy CMKX as a corporate decision due to this investigation. Were you aware that Ameritrade holds 7.9 % of Knight Trading Group? If you knew that, I'm sure you knew that Knight Trading group stated in Feb 2004 they traded 3.6 billion CMKX shares a day, which accounted for 44% of their average trading volume. 19 trading days in Feb 2004 at 3.6 billion shares is a total of 68,480,000,000 shares At that time the o/s was 100 billion. Thats a whole lot more than 4.2%. Wouldn't you agree?
CMKX is now in court facing the SEC who is adamant about deregistration of its securities; and in their first response after the hearing, the SEC has called the form 15 filed by CMKX fraudulant. I'm sure you are thinking "why would the SEC wait 2 years to enforce this?" Well, me too. According to Reg 12g, if a company has less than 300 shareholders of record or more than 300 but less than 500 shareholders of record and less that 10 million dollars in assetts on the last day of the 3 most recent fiscal years, the company then may file for deregistration under the rule by filing a form 15. OK, in court it was stated that 360 people became shareholders of record in Feb of 2003, and it was also stated that there were 692 shareholders of record in July 2003. How many were there on Dec 31, 2002, 2001, and 2000 respectively. Those numbers and those dates are the ones that matter according to the SEC regulation 12g. I also ask, if CMKX was wrong in filing their form 15, are they not also covered under the exemption 13a-13 which states, and I quote:
" Part I of the quarterly reports on Form 10-Q or Form 10-QSB need not be filed by:
1. Mutual life insurance companies; or
2. Mining companies not in the production stage but engaged primarily in the exploration for the development of mineral deposits other than oil, gas or coal, if all the following conditions are met:
1. The registrant has not been in production during the current fiscal year or the two years immediately prior thereto; except that being in production for an aggregate period of not more than eight months over the three-year period shall not be a violation of this condition.
2. Receipts from the sale of mineral products or from the operations of mineral producing properties by the registrant and its subsidiaries combined have not exceeded $500,000 in any of the most recent six years and have not aggregated more than $1,500,000 in the most recent six fiscal years."
We know that part one of a 10q or 10qsb is all financials and management discussions about the standing of the company. Anything further in a 10q is considered "other information" such as legal proceedings and sales of unregistered securities. Is cmkx exempt from filing quarterly reports under rule 12g or rule 13a-13 as the rules that govern the 10q also state that all statements not covered by section 1 of a 10q may be filed in 8k and not refrenced in a 10q?
I have a problem with this situation as we have multiple regulations written by the SEC that have been violated by the SEC, AS FOLLOWS:
1. Under Reg 12g the company filed a form 15 (which must be reviewed and signed off by the SEC for accuarcy to deregister)
2. The SEC has not addressed the shareholders of record or the assets in question according to Reg 12g (the last day of the 3 most recent fiscal years)
3. When CMKX filed a 15/a in order to regain reporting status, the SEC reacted with legal proceedings 31 days prematurely. According to rule 12g the company was to recieve 60 days to catch up on past filings. Instead the company had to prepare for legal proceedings in your court.
4. The SEC is basing their case around CMKX and its financials being presented, or lack there of, but according to their own Regulation 13a-13 since CMKX is a mining company in "exploration stages" the companies financials are not even required to be filed.
All of this leads me to believe that someone does not want this company to continue and its not because of the filings or any attempt to "defraud" investors. The very same SEC that is bringing these charges wrote the regulations. How can the SEC offer Revocation as the only remedy in this situation when they themselves were recently 6 months late in their own filings? Filings which were rejected by the GAO due to internal accounting practices that were not SOX compliant.
I ask you, who has the most to gain or lose by your decision? Common shareholders that bought a piece of CMKX because they did research on the claims this company holds and the Laws and regulations that govern its trading, or the SEC who is supposed to police the markets and has allowed billions if not trillions of unaccessable and counterfeit shares to trade unchecked on the market for over 2 years possibly allowing the funneling of billions of dollars out of the United States?
I feel I would be remiss if I didn't ask you to review the regulations that the SEC has ignored in bringing this action against CMKX.
Thank you for your time, Your Honor, I'm sure that this information will find the truth with you and the others it is sent to.
Sincerely,............................................."
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Be careful, ed, or the faithful will have CMKX discovering vaulable lead deposits.
Oh, disregard my last. Those lead deposits in my back yard turned out to be the remains of an old firing range. However, I did locate enough spent lead to make a couple fishing sinkers. And here I was all ready to form a company and sell stock.....things never seem to work out the way you plan them.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal.... this is from your last post:
56,000 shareholders have invested money, into this stock, that they cannot afford to loose. It is estimated that the shares would be worth in excess of one dollar per share today, if this dilution caused by the counterfeiting of shares had not occurred.
So by posting this are you agreeing that CMKX should have a share price just north of $1? An $800 billion dollar market cap?
Also, the letter says 'billions' of dollars have been funneled out of the US? Do you agree with this statement?
Posted by legaleagle on :
NO, not on the dollar.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I sure as hell hope there is a summary affirmation. It would be a shame to keep CMKX barely alive for about another month with any kind of review. Enough of their BS, taking the 5th, lack of proper records, insider dealings, conflicts of interest, etc.
legal,
Go back and tell WorkAHolic that I said he is full of crap as usual. I sure do hope he is sorry for buying into CMKX, but I well remember his attitude from the past....ignorant. Lots of credibility....just like yours.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: I sure as hell hope there is a summary affirmation. It would be a shame to keep CMKX barely alive for about another month with any kind of review. Enough of their BS, taking the 5th, lack of proper records, insider dealings, conflicts of interest, etc.
legal,
Go back and tell WorkAHolic that I said he is full of crap as usual. I sure do hope he is sorry for buying into CMKX, but I well remember his attitude from the past....ignorant. Lots of credibility....just like yours.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. LOL WALLACE
Posted by ed19363 on :
What a waste of bandwidth....
Posted by Ric on :
Anyone have UCAD divy's may want to read this. I sure hope you got a ton of it because it will cost a ton to lift the restriction when it expires. But wasn't it nice to recieve them anyway, lol.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I sent Ameriturd an email asking how I need to handle the UCAD divies that are restricted (as they are lifting shortly) so that I can trade them. Here is what I got back.
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Dear xxxxxxxxx:
Thank you for contacting us today concerning your account.
The shares in your account that are designated as "Restricted" are shares that you received as a spin-off or distribution from one of the companies you were holding in your account on the designated distribution date. The shares may have value once the restriction has expired or can be lifted, but are not negotiable at this time according to the company. Typically, some type of SEC restriction, such as Rule 144, restricts these shares. At this time, Ameritrade has not received official information indicating the nature of the restriction, or it's expiration date. Please inquire with the issuer as to the nature of the restriction and/or it's expiration date. Below are the restricted stock handling guidelines for negotiating shares at Ameritrade.
Additionally, if you would like to remove the position without clearing the restriction, you may request to transfer the shares to another brokerage, request a stock certificate, or request to remove the position as non-marketable. Please be aware that not all options may be available, and additional fees will apply.
According to Security and Exchange Commission regulations, restricted securities are not negotiable without the required documentation. Since Rule 144 is one of the more common restrictions, we have provided information on the document requirements and the Rule 144 procedures below. However, if your securities are restricted under another rule, please contact the Ameritrade Safekeeping Department.
Legal Opinion *This document can be obtained by contacting the issuing company.
Note: In regards to the information above, you will find a link to the forms on our Web site. You can also go to www.ameritrade.com/forms.html. Once at this page, select "Stock certificate transfers" option in the drop down box. Please mail completed form with original signature to Ameritrade to begin processing.
Important information: Please retain for future reference.
- Restricted stock requires legal items and special handling, and will be subject to a $250 restricted security processing fee per submission to the transfer agent.
Please note: you may be subject to multiple restricted security processing fees.
- Ameritrade requires you to deposit your restricted stock into an account with margin privileges. Please complete a Margin/Option Account Upgrade Form if you do not currently hold a margin account.
- Ameritrade requires you to hold at least $2,000 in equity in your account in addition to your deposit of restricted stock.
- Ameritrade must receive your stock certificate, completed Rule 144 Client Pledge, completed Rule 144 Client Statement, and completed SEC Form 144 before your sale is initiated.
- Ameritrade must receive a legal opinion prior to sending the shares to the transfer agent for processing.
- The total processing time normally ranges from four to six weeks.
- Ameritrade will file the required forms on your behalf.
- You will have approximately ninety (90) days from the date stated on the SEC Form 144 to liquidate your shares. After ninety (90) days the certificate will be subject to delivery of any shares sold, which can include a break down of the shares. Shares not sold may be sent back to you or held for continued processing. Additional restricted security processing fees may be assessed at this time.
- If you wish to extend the trading period for an additional ninety (90) days, a new SEC Form 144 and a Stock Power will be required. Additional fees may apply.
- Your transactions may also be subject to additional fees:
- Extension fees of $25 per executed order may apply if any of the stock is sold before processing is completed. These charges will occur every ten (10)-business days per executed order until shares have cleared.
- Fees charged to Ameritrade ("Pass Through" fees) may also be assessed to your account. These fees may vary in amount.
-Proceeds from sale transactions are not available for withdrawal or trading purposes until processing has been completed, funds are cleared and shares are delivered. Your account is subject to repurchase of shares if they are sold prior to completion of any required processing.
If you have further concerns or inquiries, please reply to this message.
Sincerely,
Joy Busse Reorganization and Safekeeping, Ameritrade Division of Ameritrade, Inc.
Posted by Ric on :
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[ August 10, 2005, 16:18: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
ed are you crazy??? you found at leasat a billion times more lead the cmkx has diamonds...start printing shares & follow the master plan. you of course may end up in jail for a while but then UC doesn't seem to mind his possible future.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i posted that $250 charge when the divys came out Ric. USCA & GEMM both are worthless unless the company pays to costs of removing the restrictions. it is possible that there will be no cost to shareholders but i wouldn't hold your breath.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: ed are you crazy??? you found at leasat a billion times more lead the cmkx has diamonds...start printing shares & follow the master plan. you of course may end up in jail for a while but then UC doesn't seem to mind his possible future.
Yeah, but I REALLY needed sinkers....been losing a lot of them on the Chesapeake rocks. I'll keep digging and come up with a Senior Master Plam.....
Posted by ed19363 on :
Guess I'll have to ask Ameriturd what is the cheapest way out of this morass..... Might end up with a little USCA profit, but GEMM is a lost cause.
Posted by bill1352 on :
this is the bottom line period....
As things now stand, the public lacks access to complete and reliable information about CMKM Diamonds, including its financial status, business activities or stock issuances," the SEC lawyer continues. "Thus, the public cannot make informed investment decisions.
"This lack of information is certain to continue, given that CMKM Diamonds has made little progress towards preparing its financial statements, that the company's outside auditor has resigned and that the company is unable to estimate when it will file reports."
its august the 10th, about 6 months since cmkx said the form 15 was wrong. no financials to audit & no auditor. cant seem to find any way to get stuff together to give an auditor. why even file for a review? from what beckstead seems to say cmkx wants the auditor to put everything together. if cmkx was serious about shareholder knowledge there would be a lot of 8k's coming out explaining the master list if nothing else. the letter legal posted is so full of chit its unbelievable. first the filing they brought up, the 14c was done when the o/s was under 100 billion. it doesn't say the ppl's shares increased with the o/s or a/s. thus once the a/s hit 200 billion they no longer had 4.9% & that % kept dropping as the a/s & o/s was increased. the mining rule does not mean you get out of filing completely, only certain things can be left out. in feb. 2004 UC had given out more then 100 billion shares according to the master list. in fact when the a/s was increased to 800 billion according to the master list it was to cover shares given out by UC prior to the a/s increase. something they probably found out after announcing the divys. that letter sounds like a coach trying to argue about a call saying the video used for instant reply was lying. the letter is right about 1 thing, when the form 15 was filed the SEC should have called cmkx's t/a, since its clear UC didn't bother too. it would have stopped his scam at the starting gate.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oy....two more months of this crapola. This thing just will not die. Anybody have any silver bullets??
Posted by bill1352 on :
ed, for $40 they will send you the divys. you can then call the correct t/a & see what they will charge to exchange them for unrestricted shares but first the company's have to remove the restrictions. until then its not worth the bother. if they do ever remove the restrictions you better call your broker before trying to sell them & see what rules apply.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Yesterday at 8:28am, treyb wrote:Peter, it is unfortunate that you can't prove anything in your post, yet you present it as fact. You offer illogical speculation once again.
You should remember that the simplest explanation, containing the fewest assumptions, is usually correct.
your right treyb the simpelest is probably true so here we go. remember GB's graph shows shares surrendered and volume spikes almost identical? well go back and look at Pedros exibits Most of those shares are issued and surrendered the same day. looks pretty bleak huh! I meanlooks like uc and friends got those shares issued and sold them the same day right?
well if the T/A cut the certs and handed them directly to someone right now. and they went directly to theyre broker how long would it take for that cert to be processed by the broker. then sent to the dtcc and processed then sent back to the T/A and processed out as surrendered in the T/A books? Remember alot of these entities are canadian also.
Now which answer is the simplest? 1) those shares were issued and handed directly to all of those individuals then taken directly to a brokerage, processed thru the broker, dtcc and back to the T/A and processed out as surrendered on the very same day?
2) is it possible that the shares never left the building?
which is the easiest answer?
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i just find it interresting that there was so mouch interrest in the stock the very days the shares were surrendered compared to the days they werent. its almost spooky huh. but If the interrest was self generated meaning that there was an entity that picked up all or most of the"surrendered shares taht makes the chart more logical IMO. We do know with Reg D shares that they have to be registered that means that the transactions have to run thru a broker but what about the s registered shares. what if cmkm llc thats in canada took posession of the s shares in cananda. that would mean no registration needed as they are forign entities. and it would also allow uc to pick up shares thru the entitiy in canada without requireing a form 3 because the s registration dosent require disclosure and they are not controlled shares. just some thoughts as to how those shares could be issued and surrendered in the T/a's books the very same day normal avanues imo are physically impossible. jmo ~Phx
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Yesterday at 9:25am, treyb wrote: Yesterday at 9:08am, NOS ProMod wrote:i'll take #2 ....i have had the same thoughts....seems like those charts are too close to be dumping and us normal buyers buying at the exact same time.....IMHO (not sure why) UC was making it look like dumping to bait more NSS?? ...jmo...jmo...jmo
If we are going to use Pedro's numbers and GB's graphs, then the simplest explanation is that no NSS exists, since the O/S gets reconciled to the 778 billion figure.
ok thats if thats the simplest explaination to you can you let us know how is and i say if the entities that were issued these shares and if they were sitting at the T/A's office waiting for the certs how they got to theyre brokerages signed the certs the broker processed them drove them to the dtcc then the dtcc drove them to the T/A to be processed out all in the same day? Maybe for someone from Nevada but what about the canadian entities? I know when Ive ordered certs from the Time that Jeff has told me tghey were issued to the time I got them has averaged about 10 days that just 1 trip. But if they were issued directly from the T/A mail in a perfect world would take at least 3 days to recieve them locally ~Phx
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also look at the A/S increases in feb 2004 and March 2004 those percentages were increasing from 97b to 200b was voted on by 55% then 200b to 500b Voted on by 65% If your diluting by selling as well as increasing the O/S how does you voting percentage go Up? ~Phx
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont think they are any longer. I personally think cmkm llc thats incorporated in regina sask took control of all of the s restricted shares right there in the T/A's office thats what I think. Issued surrendered and not registered all under reg s. Thats why I think the argument about the form 15 still exists. JMO ~Phx
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Yesterday at 12:45pm, GeorgeBurns wrote: Yesterday at 10:01am, phxgold wrote:I dont think they are any longer. I personally think cmkm llc thats incorporated in regina sask took control of all of the s restricted shares right there in the T/A's office thats what I think. Issued surrendered and not registered all under reg s. Thats why I think the argument about the form 15 still exists. JMO ~Phx
Reg s or not... still shareholders, correct?
yes and no lookie here prelim notes no 7 "Securities offered and sold outside the United States in accordance with Regulation S need not be registered under the Act. See Release No. 33-6863. Regulation S may be relied upon for such offers and sales even if coincident offers and sales are made in accordance with Regulation D inside the United States. Thus, for example, persons who are offered and sold securities in accordance with Regulation S would not be counted in the calculation of the number of purchasers under Regulation D. Similarly, proceeds from such sales would not be included in the aggregate offering price. The provisions of this note, however, do not apply if the issuer elects to rely solely on Regulation D for offers or sales to persons made outside the United States." http://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/forms/regd.htm ~Phx
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it is in the petition for review. 8 of the 10 points refer directly to the form 15 and the"prejudicial" and "erronious" decisions made by the commission. Granted it does not cite the regulations in the request but it does point directly to this information. Is it the companys duty to provide the sec with its own regulations? Its nothing new IMO I just see the company allowing the SEC to faulter by ignoring its own relevent regulations so when the company is on the offensive thru the appeals process it can show where the SEC was out of line on theyre points. if there are multiple regulations that were flagrantly ignored and a case prosecuted without merit, along with tampering with the independent auditors if there is indeed proof of that. Kind of sets up a case of collusion in thge core issue of Market manipulation, No? ~Phx
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Posted by bill1352 on :
ok...after reading your reposted stuff there legal i'm thinking a great investment right now is with a company that makes padding for those white rooms in mental hospitals. either that or a company that makes those nice white jackets with the funny arms. there is no way kool-aide is to blame for that stuff.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I think....IMO.....IF....do you suppose....
Legal, if you quit reposting all that garbage that means nothing, we can let this thread die a peaceful death.
Now we gotta listen to that crap another two months.... SHEESH !!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Oh, ed there is much more good stuff coming in the near future. And the first stuff will be things that you can guys can really use. But remember, all is not as it seems.
Posted by LEO on :
I was in the Las Vegas airport last night and happened to see Tony Bartone's pit crew all wearing their black crew shirts that ask in big white letters on the back, "GOT CMKX? and I wondered, 'Do these guys ever get any chit from pissed off investors while wearing these shirts around in public like this?' For some reason, after reading this thread from time to time, it seems like they might be taking their chances wearing those shirts at an airport.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Leo, the only pissed off shareholders are those who sold, and an occasional "ed". But they don't get out much.
Posted by Ric on :
I don't think thats true legal. Just because 5 to 10% post on the boards doesn't mean the rest are happy about this. I would bet most are like Ed. And looking at PB lately there has been a bunch more joining in quickly. Most people don't wear blinders every minute of the day.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Leo, the only pissed off shareholders are those who sold, and an occasional "ed". But they don't get out much.
You havent even gotten close to seeing "pissed off" yet. I'm saving the real tantrum til this is over. Then, you will see "pissed off", for REAL. Did I mention I know where UC lives...LOL?
Posted by bill1352 on :
the cult doesn't understand that they do not think like normal ppl. they think everyone but a few cmkx shareholders feel & think like they do. 20% of the shareholders faxed frizzy their info. 10% joined the first OG & less then 5% joined the OG repeat & that was before the master list came out. nothing attatched to reality about cmkx gets through the dreamland they live in. UC could stand up in criminal court & confess to his scam & 2% of the cmkx shareholders would still find a way to make that part of the master plan. they have yet to allow any facts get into their dreamland, so why start now.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Sweet dreams! Good night
Posted by Ric on :
Does anyone think it funny that the Saviour of CMKX Maheu, who stated he was here for the shareholders is never heard from. That the cult claims that he is here to protect us but we never hear one word of encouragement from him. And if you think he is too god like to speak, why does he not have someone pass alone what is happening. Do you really feel that you are better off?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Hang on Ric, you are hearing from him in more ways than one. And much more is coming soon. Watch the boards. Don't believe the first story, even if it fits your scenario. Even the bashers have to recognize the amount of disinformation being circulated on the boards.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Ric.... great point about Maheu. It is laughable that leagle responded within 5 minutes of your post.... "Hang on Ric..." I think people have been hanging on long enough. CMKX and that monkey of a CEO Urban have NEVER delivered one ounce of value to the shareholders.
"And much more is coming soon...." yeah right. I wish I had the time to count how many times we've heard this one before!
What disinformation has been circulated on this board? Let me list the 'disinformation':
1. No financials 2. CMKX office in Urban's HOUSE! 3. Maheu has NO CLUE what is going on (he is 87 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 4. Auditors keep leaving
Okay, I'm sick of this.... I think I'm going to throw up if I write any more of these OBVIOUS issues down... someone needs to shoot CMKX and put it out of its misery. The OG is like the Black Knight in The Holy Grail (they don't realize when arms/legs are cut off!).....
Posted by bill1352 on :
well Legal is right, there is and has been a large amount of disinformation on the boards concerning cmkx. in fact about 2 yrs worth. now the story is CIM will rise from the cmkx ashes & it had to be this way so some back door group would not take over cmkx. all i can say is good let cim come out at $1 a share as long as i can sell my shares for that i'll repent, i'll change my ways. i'll start drinking kool-aide. i'll even beg pb32 to let me back in right after i co-star with pam anderson in her next sex video. heck if i'm in dreamland i might as well add something to the ending that has a chance of happening....lol a lot better shot at being in that video then CIM at $1.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I'd go so far as to say if this thing makes me any money in the next year, I'll buy stock in the Koolaid company....LOL
Posted by Ric on :
Talking about Pam Anderson, they are doing a roast of her at the Friars Club. It airs this weekend on Comedy Channel. Seen a preview last night. I liked the joke on the preview.
"Pam has screwed more musicians then Napster" lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BECAUSE I BELIEVE!
At this time of many unknowns and pure speculation.....for NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE here knows what is truly going on behind the scenes.....why waste your time convincing others of foul play or doom as it relates to this Company if you are indeed bona fide "lay" CMKX Shareholder. It is simply something that is a complete waste of ones time...especially if the picture is indeed "over" as certain individuals claim...unless you are trying to create fury for a lawsuit or have others sell. It simply does not make sense that one is here "to warn" others of impending doom and take valuable time out of their schedule for what appears (to them) to be such a depressing conclusion. At least CMKX Shareholders that "believe" are utilizing the public information available in order to "speculate"....the key word being SPECULATE....via theories that are mere opinion...thoughts that move toward a positive light. Again, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON....unless you are an insider......and if so, what the *ell are you doing illegally spreading information on a public message board.
The above thoughts are even more important to think of since we are in THE ELEVENTH HOUR/ THE NINTH INNING/ THE FOURTH QUARTER/ THE THIRD PERIOD.....etc., etc.,.....and many quote un quote CMKX Shareholders (some never seen before, some trusted) will come out in a fury of negativity or do a 180 degree turn on their long held out opinion to sway your feelings that brought you here in the first place. Boy, what noble people they are to warn the loyal Shareholders of their negative twist....YA RIGHT! The enemy will bring out "the best"...the best debaters and smoothest talkers during this crunch time period.
To all of the genuine and sincere CMKX Shareholders: Please meditate deep on your DD, and when the day is over...think and do what YOUR heart and mind (in combination) truly tell you...not what the sentiment of message board posters are...posters that you do not even personally know...and may fall prey to intentions or agendas that do not have your welfare in mind.
Again, I am here because I BELIEVE....Why are you here?
God Bless to all!
Peter (Dxild)
Posted by Ric on :
"NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON....unless you are an insider....."
From those at the hearing it looks like insiders have no clue neither.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
We keep getting asked why we are here if we don't believe (see Dxild's comments above). To all the kool-aide drinkers I ask this question, have you ever stopped or slowed your car to look at an accident? Sure you have and you did it because you are curious! Have you ever watched a movie about superheros? If no, get a life. If yes, why did you bother watching if you knew the superhero would win in the end? Answer, you're curious how it plays out.
The bottom line is that us bashers watch with amazement as you kool-aide drinks pour more money into a company which has about the same chance of 'going big' as OJ Simpson has of finding the 'true killers.' This is entertainment for us and sad reality for you.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
CORRECTION: OJ Simpson can find the 'true killers' by simply looking in the mirror!
Sorry, my bad... okay.... maybe the company has the same chances of 'going big' as Michael Jackson has of being found innocent.... rats, foiled again!
Keep drinking.... we'll keep laughing.
Posted by A.J. on :
I'll Go With Thorn And Ottoman And Add: EAGLES FLY HIGH AND OVERSEE ALL THE CHICKEN CRAP. On Revocation: You Cannot Go Into Revoking Until You Discovered The FoulPlay And Researched All The Legalities About It,[Like In An Unconscionable Contract], But By Staying In The Game Until You Say Cut ----- You Now Have The Full Inside Story ---Things Good Books Are Made Of ,And ,You Saw It A-L-L And Know A-L-L The Dirty Players,The Thieves And Crooks And How They Collude And Operate Their Intentional Larceny!!Now You Know And Now You Can Write The Full Story With All Your Evidence! FORSHTAY?? Maybe It Does Take Some Years Of Seasoning To Undertake Such A Venture - Some Call It Old - The Old May Call It WISDOM [Important For The Head To Oversee How The Unruly Family Operates After The King Is Gone].!!As For Transfer Agents - GOD Knows - You Have To Watch Them Too!!! AS FOR FIVE STARS Vs Five Trades - THAT Does'nt Say Much! It's All In What The Plan Is By The Individuals. AND MY SAY IS : To Each His Own. It's Like The Turtle And The Hare. I'd Like To See The End Result Before I Stick My Head Out.!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
A.J. ????????????????? HUH?????????
Posted by ed19363 on :
Did anyone understand that post?
Posted by A.J. on :
If I Read Correctly "19363" Is A "666" Code And It Is Understandable That "ed" Does Not Want To Understand The True Message. YEP - A Lot Is Missing - It Is In The "DOCUMENTARY" Though!! And Of Course When It Is Time For The Book - Everyone Will See The Light. CMKX IS A DEAD ISSUE. A.J. SENIOR
Posted by will on :
Ahhhhhhhh! Now that makes everything clear.
quote:Originally posted by A.J.: If I Read Correctly "19363" Is A "666" Code And It Is Understandable That "ed" Does Not Want To Understand The True Message. YEP - A Lot Is Missing - It Is In The "DOCUMENTARY" Though!! And Of Course When It Is Time For The Book - Everyone Will See The Light. CMKX IS A DEAD ISSUE. A.J. SENIOR
Posted by bill1352 on :
A.J......put the kool-aide down. if legal had trouble getting that you need a break.......this post can be changed if that was a bashing type post, tho i'm not sure what bashers drink enmass but whatever it is PUT IT DOWN!!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok somebody call the EMS...A.J. has overdosed....hang in there A.J. help is on the way.
Posted by Ric on :
roflmao
quote:Originally posted by will: Ahhhhhhhh! Now that makes everything clear.
quote:Originally posted by A.J.: If I Read Correctly "19363" Is A "666" Code And It Is Understandable That "ed" Does Not Want To Understand The True Message. YEP - A Lot Is Missing - It Is In The "DOCUMENTARY" Though!! And Of Course When It Is Time For The Book - Everyone Will See The Light. CMKX IS A DEAD ISSUE. A.J. SENIOR
Posted by Ric on :
bill, I think bashers drink is rum and coke. I could be wrong though but can't remember.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric, i'm thinking if A.J. is bashing he forgot the coke part. either that or he used the wrong type of coke.
Posted by A.J. on :
You Know:"THE WHOLE IS EQUAL TO THE SUM OF IT'S PARTS". Now If That Statement Does'nt Make Sense To You Either - Perhaps You Need To Read The Whole Of The Herein "JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING" Like I Did. It's Like The Holy Bible - If You Only Read One Verse And Only Connect With One Story Or One Disciple Then You May Be Missing The Whole BOOK!! A.J. SENIOR PARTY
Posted by bill1352 on :
You Know:"THE WHOLE IS EQUAL TO THE SUM OF IT'S PARTS". Now If That Statement Does'nt Make Sense To You Either - Perhaps You Need To Read The Whole Of The Herein "JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING" Like I Did. It's Like The Holy Bible - If You Only Read One Verse And Only Connect With One Story Or One Disciple Then You May Be Missing The Whole BOOK!! A.J. SENIOR PARTY
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see what reading pumper theories will do to ya????
Posted by Ric on :
Now legal, see what happens when you drink the koolaid too long. Please save yourself and put the drink down. Step back and use the last bit of money to get professional help.
Posted by A.J. on :
The Reason I Even Entered Into These Worthless Topics IS BECAUSE I Already Saw Your "BASHINGS" - SAD BUT TRUE!! I Made My Statements Accordingly, After Fully Reading All The Statements Herein.So If You Cannot Read I'd Suggest "ONEV" - Great Stock - B I DO NOT DRINK!!! SO QUIT YOUR BASHING!! I GOT RID OF EM - HE'S One Of The Really Sick Crooks. Copies MADE: A.J. SENIOR PARTY
Posted by A.J. on :
The Reason I Even Entered Into These Worthless Topics IS BECAUSE I Already Saw Your "BASHINGS" - SAD BUT TRUE!! I Made My Statements Accordingly, After Fully Reading All The Statements Herein.So If You Cannot Read I'd Suggest "ONEV" - Great Stock - Buy Their Product And It'll Listen To And Respond To Your Word Commands By Talking And It Will Even Read This Herein Content To You. Is'nt That A Wonderful Innovation? "CMKX" IS DEAD. I DO NOT DRINK!!! SO QUIT YOUR BASHING And False Insinuations. EM Jr. IS A DEAD ISSUE TOO!! Copies MADE: A.J. SENIOR PARTY
Posted by ed19363 on :
Actually, if you look at WHERE my posts come from, the 19363 makes perfect sense. I dont even know what a "666" code is, and I think that anyone who capitalizes every word in his post might just be overdosing on something. At any rate, the messages make no sense.
Posted by will on :
I like the guy. It isn't any worse than half the crap that is reposted here from the koolaid boards. Makes about as much sense as most of those reposts.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"666" is a hidden bible meaning from Revelations....the mark of the devil.....UC might be a con artist but i'd say devil marking is a bit strong...thats more for the Manson types out there.
Posted by Ric on :
I actually think he makes more sense then most of the reposts that legal pastes in here. lol
Posted by ed19363 on :
Guess so. We need something new to laugh about, may as well be him.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: "666" is a hidden bible meaning from Revelations....the mark of the devil.....UC might be a con artist but i'd say devil marking is a bit strong...thats more for the Manson types out there.
Oh, I get it now....well, my ears may be a little pointed, but 19363 is my zip code....has nothing to do with the devil UC....errrr, I mean....well, IMO just in case.....
Posted by bill1352 on :
well on that point i'd have to agree...some of those pumper posts can hurt your head about 1/2 way thru.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Tip of the day. Quietly now, dont want to attract bashers. Check out NCDP.
Posted by A.J. on :
I've Had My Say - Bye!
Posted by ed19363 on :
That word I know....
Bye
Posted by legaleagle on :
And I just thought it was ed's zip code
Posted by legaleagle on :
Oh, now I see, it is ed's zip
Posted by legaleagle on :
I do the postings at CT's "Prophecy" room, but this is a new one. Will have to look into it A.J.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I looked over his first post again, and AJ is writing in cryptic style. If you take the time to interpret what he is saying, he is actually very much "right on" in what is happening with CMKX behind the scenes, and is trying to tell us what will be happening soon.
Posted by legaleagle on :
LOL. I think we were just visited by AccaDacca. Only cryptic poster I know that capitalizes the first letter of every word.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal reposted:
Again, I am here because I BELIEVE....Why are you here?
God Bless to all!
Peter (Dxild) --------------------
legal, is that that damn pumping minister over there on the CT thread?
All,
Makes sense that guy A.J. might have come from the pb32 forum.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Peter posts at many boards including CT. Don't know if he is a minister or not.
If A.J. is Acca, he only posts at Raging Bull and makes his "public appearances" at Willy's PalTalk. He has been banned everywhere else. Maybe that's why he paid us a visit. LOL
Posted by Ric on :
I heard Acca got banned by Lycos and can no longer post on rb. I guess he could be looking for new audience.
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Topic: Hold on! It's gonna get bumpy... (Read 1,200 times) LouJBerger DIAMOND JEDI
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Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 319 Karma: 17 Hold on! It's gonna get bumpy... « Thread Started on Today at 4:57pm » Folks, I'm sad to report that we will be hearing some bad news in the next few days.
Looks like UC hasn't been totally without blame in some of his dealings as a businessman, and it is alleged that some charges may be brought against him.
WAIT! Do NOT sell!
It is STILL true that we have our mineral claims, and it is STILL true that Ecuador is pumping cash into our company and it is STILL true that we have a big NSS.
Selling on this bad news follows the plans and goals of the shorters, and gives them the ability to cover for mere fractions of what they sold us short at.
Listen to me, carefully. UC is in trouble, not the company. There are rumors that he may step down, but I don't believe it yet. This stems from some information I published in an earlier post wherein I mentioned that UC had had some dealings with shady folks who were looking for a quick turnaround. It now appears that these folks have blown the whistle on UC for his participation and have provided the DOJ with information that will be enough to indict him.
No, I do not have information specific to what he's done wrong (dilution) nor do I have any information as to what his punishment may be (possible jail time).
Everything I'm writing in this post is mere speculation and rumor, and you can do with it what you want.
But...in the highly unlikely event that what I'm saying comes to pass, please do not sell.
If you do, best wishes to you and it was nice knowing you.
I'm gonna batten down the hatches and ride out this storm that is coming. I hope to see you, my friends, on the other side.
Lou
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big shock Posted by ed19363 on :
Wonder what took so long....a blind man can see things arent as they should be.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Still true, we have our claims....ok that might be possible but you also have a company $36 million in the hole. claims may have to go....Still true, we have cash coming in from S.A......what cash??? everything so far has gone to pay the cost of digging what has been produced & they owe the company doing the work $2 million more by december. 1st grade math says kiss those claims goodbye. $60K would have been cmkx's cut last we heard for 3 months or so's digging...not gonna equal $2 million by December. Still have a huge NS...ya right...everything out says probably 100 to 150 billion short. with a 703 billion o/s & at least a 650 billion float & a CEO scamming the market you got a real chance at that making a differance in the pps....NOT.
as for the rest of that post....NO CHIT????!!!!! UC in jail???? who'd a thunk it. not a real honest CEO???? i don't think ROTFLMAO quite equals the seniment needed for that statement. i'm guessing but i bet when that light bulb went on it wasn't bright enough to light a shoe box. everything coming out in the last 6 months says UC is a con-man & a crook stealing money from low to middle income ppl on get rich quick dreams. HE MIGHT NOT BE REAL HONEST????!!!!! that's like saying Dolly Parton might have an above average breast size. but PLEASE don't sell...the only thing missing was that he might buy more Monday....lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
He said "Don't Sell" because he knows that this isn't going to be the end of the story.
When I would launch a sting action in my "old life", I would neutralize a mid level "soldier" with criminal charges, unrelated to the target of the sting. Say, a guy like Shawn Hackman. And then I would get him to turn "states evidence" sort of the way they did Hackman. Using that person, I would gather evidence on a higher level guy like, say, Ed Dhonau. Then I would pull in that guy and use him to worm my way into the organization that was the target. An organization, like, say CMKX, where I would then attempt to get the CEO to co-operate to invade the next level up the chain towards the real money and power man, say, like John Edwards and any organizations that may be connected to that highest level.
Now, the CEO, would be my "principal" in gathering evidence. Not against the mid level corporation, but against the higher echelon. My principal, if he was going to be effective, would have to do some pretty shady and underhanded operations, and probably some "criminal" things, if he was to be trusted by the real bad guys. So, I would have to go to the Prosecutor and get him immunity from any potential prosecution for acts he would have to commit during the "sting".
Then those "acts" would be documented for later prosecutions of the people I was really after.
If a legitimate civil authority got wind of things that were amiss in my operative's company, say like the Secretary of State Corporations Division. And they requested my co-operation in their civil action, before my criminal investigation was over, I would be bound by statute and politics to turn over any documents that I had, even if they looked bad for my operative.
And if the Secretary of State, gave those documents to an attorney representing some party to the civil action, say like a shareholders group under discovery, there would be nothing I could do, except hurry along the "sting" investigation and obtain indictments as quickly as I could, in order to get everything public, and clear my operative.
Some of those stings actually required me to "arrest" my operative in order to keep him, and me, in the flow of information from the "bad guys", post indictment and arrest.
Not saying this is what happened with CMKX, of course, just using them as an example of how a sting might operate. IMO
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yup, and for over two years now, UC has been part of a sting operation. OoooooKay, must be part of the PLAM. Hope it happens SOON, or at least be CLOSE. Take this whole mess and send it TO DAS MOON !!!!
It just gets wilder and wilder. Will it ever end? "The Play of a Lifetime" turns out to be taking a lifetime to happen....ROFL.
Legal, one mo time, if you dont have proof of what you're posting, do us all a favor and STFU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wonder if we can get Redford and Newman to play parts in the movie when it comes out..... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahhahahahahhaha
Posted by BuyTex on :
they already made that movie--remember the Bolivian army, with every gun in South America, surrounding them as they made their last-dash-for-freedom?
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'll go along with that legal except 1 thing...the main target is the CEO. your belief that there are ppl pulling the criminal strings above UC is at best a hope. since the facts from the master list, the missing gems that were bought, the missing money from USCA & SGGM all had to go thru UC before disappearing or as with the shares being given out to be sold, i'd say UC is the criminal & i'm sure the governing powers feel the same way.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Sorry bill, didn't know you were "IN" with the "governing powers". If you really knew who Edwards is, I don't think you would make that statement. There is enough public DD available on him to change your mind, if you will look hard.
Posted by bill1352 on :
edwards is a scum bad...big deal...there are tons of them out there. that doesn't mean he was pulling any strings in cmkx that UC wasn't trying to pull first. you cult members just refuse to see facts for what they are about UC thus you need someone to blame. UC was the only board member during the main dilution thus he had to do all the ok'ing. in fact everything that should not have been done UC ok'ed. how does edwards get the blame for that?
Posted by Ric on :
You know, I said it over and over.
CMKX is nothing but a blame game!!!!!!
They blame the SEC, Edwards, bashers, and anyone else they can find. But they refuse to put the blame where it belongs. UC, he was the CEO and if he was a good one then we wouldn't be were we are today.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Peter posts at many boards including CT. Don't know if he is a minister or not.
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RE: Peter by legal.
Legal, that was one hell of a bunch of weasel wording about Peter. You know damn well who he is.
Posted by A.J. on :
You mean peter leeds or peter from london? By the way, the individual you were refering to was definitely not taken off other cites - that individual refused to do further communication due to the rot that was ongoing. i know the situation. there were others who dropped off for the same reason. I think your imaginations and gossip trails all work overtime and it's kinda like "pass the word" --- it all gets distorted by the time it reaches the last ear. What's wrong with ministers/ Does it matter what walk of life one chooses as to what he has to say about stock[s]?? I'm with Wallace on this one --- I ask the good LORD to bless, save and keep you for the time is at hand!! DEFINITELY NOT A BASHER - MERELY A HUMAN BEING MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS AND LOOKING FOR STOCK INFORMATION AND SHARING WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE GOOD STUFF. VERY SIMPLE!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
AJ, I think you have your ID letters transposed. They should read JA...Jack Ass.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Peter posts at many boards including CT. Don't know if he is a minister or not.
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RE: Peter by legal.
Legal, that was one hell of a bunch of weasel wording about Peter. You know damn well who he is.
Wallace I really don't know what you are talking about. Peter, is, just what I said. You can find him posting at PB32 and CT. I think he is a good poster and seems to be a Christian. But other than a good poster I don't know anything about him. But if you'd like to fill me in on what you are thinking, please do.
And that was pretty rude calling AJ a jackass right after he agreed with you.
Posted by legaleagle on :
A.J. you keep referring to the "rot", could you be more specific? Are you referring to CMKX, Urban, the "bad guys", the naked shorting. Communication was originally designed to express ideas to others. Cryptic messages and innuendo is not really very effective at communicating.
Posted by A.J. on :
REAL NICE! After I previewed My Reply did not get posted - "Someone erased it"!! Sure ARE gRaemlins Around!! So - here we go again. Listen LEGAL, If Your Eyes Were'nt "CLOSED SHUT" you would see that It Is I, A poster, Who Got BASHED!!!!! But no, you start progessing the BASHING by lighting into me about using the word rot on something totally unrelated to Allstocks, and totally unrelated to this thread.!! What's Your Point?? TO WALLACE: I now see your TRUE COLORS. You have Bashed a longstanding christian and missionary!! I beg your repentance.!! You people are merciless. Legal "looking For Something To Hang SOMETHING on" and all refusing to stay "ON POINT". The point is that you all are receiving a smidgen of information from others obviously private information and using this thread to expound your judgemental frustrations. I Caught on to what you were doing and correted you on your wrong doings. PLEASE Don't use GOD's name in vain. I Joined WALKLACE in asking the good lord to bless, save and keep all of you A-N-D tHIS IS WHAT I GET FRON legal?? For all those that are true christians: Does the Good LORD not tell us that "LOVE is not picky"? Are not these herein bAshers being "picky"when they judge the type of print someone uses and one word to describe something totally outside this site and thread and avoid the obvious bashing going on to A.J.????? IT IS MY FIRM OPINION THAT THIS SITE IS WAY OUT OF LINE AND THE "TITLE" THAT ATTRACTED ME BECAUSE I AM A BELIEVER, IS FOR SURE ON TRACK: JUDGEMENT DAY IS SURE ON IT'S WAY FOR FALSE ACCUSERS ARE ONE OF THE CLUES!!!
Posted by Binky on :
Here is a paste from a GeorgeBurns post on that other board. Some interesting reading.
Lawsuit vs. Nevada Minerals, GEMM, Diagem, USCA... « Thread Started on Today at 6:20am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dhonau, Williams, and Taulli...
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Ric.... great point about Maheu. It is laughable that leagle responded within 5 minutes of your post.... "Hang on Ric..." I think people have been hanging on long enough. CMKX and that monkey of a CEO Urban have NEVER delivered one ounce of value to the shareholders.
"And much more is coming soon...." yeah right. I wish I had the time to count how many times we've heard this one before!
What disinformation has been circulated on this board? Let me list the 'disinformation':
1. No financials 2. CMKX office in Urban's HOUSE! 3. Maheu has NO CLUE what is going on (he is 87 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 4. Auditors keep leaving
Okay, I'm sick of this.... I think I'm going to throw up if I write any more of these OBVIOUS issues down... someone needs to shoot CMKX and put it out of its misery. The OG is like the Black Knight in The Holy Grail (they don't realize when arms/legs are cut off!).....
Agreed.. what funny is pumpers just look past all that and post nonsense to try to get a pump going
leagle do you even read the garbage you scoop from pb32 and paltalk?
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: xxdiamondchildxx God of Diamonds
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BECAUSE I BELIEVE!
At this time of many unknowns and pure speculation.....for NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE here knows what is truly going on behind the scenes.....why waste your time convincing others of foul play or doom as it relates to this Company if you are indeed bona fide "lay" CMKX Shareholder. It is simply something that is a complete waste of ones time...especially if the picture is indeed "over" as certain individuals claim...unless you are trying to create fury for a lawsuit or have others sell. It simply does not make sense that one is here "to warn" others of impending doom and take valuable time out of their schedule for what appears (to them) to be such a depressing conclusion. At least CMKX Shareholders that "believe" are utilizing the public information available in order to "speculate"....the key word being SPECULATE....via theories that are mere opinion...thoughts that move toward a positive light. Again, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON....unless you are an insider......and if so, what the *ell are you doing illegally spreading information on a public message board.
The above thoughts are even more important to think of since we are in THE ELEVENTH HOUR/ THE NINTH INNING/ THE FOURTH QUARTER/ THE THIRD PERIOD.....etc., etc.,.....and many quote un quote CMKX Shareholders (some never seen before, some trusted) will come out in a fury of negativity or do a 180 degree turn on their long held out opinion to sway your feelings that brought you here in the first place. Boy, what noble people they are to warn the loyal Shareholders of their negative twist....YA RIGHT! The enemy will bring out "the best"...the best debaters and smoothest talkers during this crunch time period.
To all of the genuine and sincere CMKX Shareholders: Please meditate deep on your DD, and when the day is over...think and do what YOUR heart and mind (in combination) truly tell you...not what the sentiment of message board posters are...posters that you do not even personally know...and may fall prey to intentions or agendas that do not have your welfare in mind.
Again, I am here because I BELIEVE....Why are you here?
God Bless to all!
Peter (Dxild)
Idiot why are you spamming this board with posts like these? GO off and find answers to refute to the damaging questions that we keep posting... you can't so you posts bullchit just like melvins toes tingle because he has a feeling
so lame,,, so retarded,.. such a waste
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: You Know:"THE WHOLE IS EQUAL TO THE SUM OF IT'S PARTS". Now If That Statement Does'nt Make Sense To You Either - Perhaps You Need To Read The Whole Of The Herein "JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING" Like I Did. It's Like The Holy Bible - If You Only Read One Verse And Only Connect With One Story Or One Disciple Then You May Be Missing The Whole BOOK!! A.J. SENIOR PARTY
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see what reading pumper theories will do to ya????
you are suppose to drink koolaid not snort it
Posted by legaleagle on :
I guess you missed church this morning.
Posted by legaleagle on :
A.J. what exactly did you get from me? I was asking you what the "rot" is that you were talking about. If you post that on a CMKX message board, one would expect it to have something to do with CMKX. If you are talking about a social or spiritual issue, please define it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: Wallace I really don't know what you are talking about. W: Same old story from you legal. Play dumb when you don't want to honestly answer as question.
L: And that was pretty rude calling AJ a jackass right after he agreed with you.
W: And you can have him back on your CT site. He is a screwball like the rest of you, including your minister leader named "Peter".
Posted by bill1352 on :
did anyone read Binky's above post...the link part??? USCA, GEMM & nevada minerals all in on illegally cutting royalty holders out of their profits, illegally mining against an embargo in brazil then selling the diamonds in europe thus further hiding all the illegal stuff. might be a clue to a lot of stuff, UC in south america a lot, could be brazil not ecuador, CIM in europe, company to sell diamonds thru. of course now that brazil caught them all the claims could be seized and everything goes bye-bye. whats the old saying...birds of a feather flock together. USCA, GEMM, CMKX & Nevada Minerals, now there is four of a kind to draw too. of course you better be on the inside, everyone else gets the shaft, as those that pay for the insiders to live & do as they please.
Posted by bill1352 on :
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by bill1352: You Know:"THE WHOLE IS EQUAL TO THE SUM OF IT'S PARTS". Now If That Statement Does'nt Make Sense To You Either - Perhaps You Need To Read The Whole Of The Herein "JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING" Like I Did. It's Like The Holy Bible - If You Only Read One Verse And Only Connect With One Story Or One Disciple Then You May Be Missing The Whole BOOK!! A.J. SENIOR PARTY
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see what reading pumper theories will do to ya???? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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osnap...that looks as if i posted the top part....lol...please correct that. that was an A.J. comment
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: osnapd Member
Member Rated: posted August 14, 2005 16:22 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by bill1352: You Know:"THE WHOLE IS EQUAL TO THE SUM OF IT'S PARTS". Now If That Statement Does'nt Make Sense To You Either - Perhaps You Need To Read The Whole Of The Herein "JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING" Like I Did. It's Like The Holy Bible - If You Only Read One Verse And Only Connect With One Story Or One Disciple Then You May Be Missing The Whole BOOK!! A.J. SENIOR PARTY
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see what reading pumper theories will do to ya???? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
you are suppose to drink koolaid not snort it ===================
osnap...that looks as if i posted the top part....lol...please correct that. that was an A.J. comment
oops my bad
i better stop sniffing too
Posted by bill1352 on :
we'll let it slide this time....lol....i think i have enough basher points to live thru it.
Posted by Binky on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bill1352: [QB] did anyone read Binky's above post...the link part???
------------------- Hey Bill Everyone is to busy attacking each other to read posts about their investments.. lol
Binky
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: Wallace I really don't know what you are talking about. W: Same old story from you legal. Play dumb when you don't want to honestly answer as question.
L: And that was pretty rude calling AJ a jackass right after he agreed with you.
W: And you can have him back on your CT site. He is a screwball like the rest of you, including your minister leader named "Peter".
Wallace why are you being so assinine about this Peter guy? I have no idea if he is a minister or not. The minister at CT is Pastor Dewayne Reeves, and posts under the pseydonym of "CT". Have you run out of bashing posts for CMKX and anything associated? Is your life so dull that have to create situations that don't exist so you can argue with me? If you would like, I could ask this guy if he wants to come in here and argue with you. Maybe that would brighten your very dark world.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Why cant you people keep religion out of this. This is a stock board, not a pulpit. I'm sure there are dummies in every walk of life, including religion, but this is not the place to discuss it.
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Re: Lawsuit vs. Nevada Minerals, GEMM, Diagem, USC « Reply #25 on Today at 9:27am »
Today at 7:40am, Pedro2004 wrote:
Today at 7:32am, NOS ProMod wrote:
pedro what is your take on this? cliff notes...LOL
"Property 1,000" must be a HUGE diamond discovery worth a lot of money!
And when theres a lot of money, theres a lot of greed!
Unfortunately it is said in this suit that because of the improper actions of Diagem, and some of our "web of people"... property 1000 is in great danger of government seizure.
Nice going guys. [image]
Those GEMM shares all of a sudden seem very over-valued. lol IP:
legal why didn't you spam us with this info instead of someone's gut feeling
idiot
Posted by bill1352 on :
that was the link blinky posted osnap. i'd be suprised if UC wasn't in on this in some way. might be why nobody could remember anything on the stand in court. nevada minerals guy had more to say but he isn't a public company. the SEC has no say over him. it would seem they just cut that 16% out of the ball game as the guy bringing the suit wanted things done legally. hasn't the cult been saying for a yr how UC was putting the conglomerate together? haven't they been saying UC pulled the strings on USCA, GEMM & Nevada Minerals. isn't it the cmkx cult that wanted everyone to know just how close these guys are? wanna bet the cults next move is to say UC had no clue this was going on? how UC would never have been part of such illegal activities?
legal, was this part of the behind the seen stuff you have been yappin about????...lol. ya hitched your horse to the wrong cart legal.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Actually Ed Dhonau runs that operation. And BTW, bribery is the way business is done in SA. You pay the bribes or you don't do business. Were you just born yesterday?
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Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, the bribery part is no big deal. thats why i never mentioned it in my post. illegally mining thus risking losing the mine completely is. all those they bribed were arrested. not paying those with royalties is also a big deal. fact is there was no need to do anything illegally. they had all the correct permits. all they had to do was file the correct reports. seems as if these guys just hate filing anything.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Somebody wanna splain what this has to do with the 22M shares of garbage still sitting in my portfolio??
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Somebody wanna splain what this has to do with the 22M shares of garbage still sitting in my portfolio??
Shore Gold Inc. and Kensington Resources Ltd. to merge
Shore Gold Inc. and Kensington Resources Ltd. to merge Stock Symbol: SGF:TSX Stock Symbol: KRT:TSX-V
SASKATOON and VANCOUVER, Aug. 15 /CNW/ - Shore Gold Inc. (TSX: SGF) ("Shore") and Kensington Resources Ltd. (TSX-V: KRT) ("Kensington"), two of Canada's most advanced diamond exploration companies, announce that they have reached a definitive agreement to merge. Under the terms of the agreement, Shore will offer 0.64 Shore common shares for each common share of Kensington. Based on the closing price of Shore on August 12, 2005 of $5.45, this offer values Kensington at $3.49 per share representing a premium of 35% to Kensington based on both parties' respective 30-day average closing share prices and a premium of 45% to Kensington's closing share price on August 12, 2005. "This is a truly synergistic combination that achieves our strategic goals and further consolidates the Fort à la Corne diamond trend under one public company. Both shareholder groups will have an unparalleled opportunity to realize the growth potential of one of the largest diamond fields in the world. We intend to aggressively pursue the development of the Star property and the adjoining FALC ground with our joint venture partners and to fully maximize the potential of the region. Our goal is to create an exciting long term future for all stakeholders," said Kenneth E. MacNeill, President and CEO of Shore Gold Inc. "The combination of our two companies presents a wonderful opportunity for all stakeholders at Fort à la Corne. Kensington shareholders will benefit from exposure to the potential for the near-term development of a diamond mine at the Star Kimberlite, they will continue to participate in the aggressive development of the Fort à la Corne joint venture diamond project and they will realize an immediate premium to the current share price," says Robert A. McCallum, President and CEO of Kensington Resources Ltd. "With Board and management participation in the new entity, Kensington's people will be an integral part of the organization going forward."
Highlights of the combined company include:
Consolidation of the Highly Prospective Fort à la Corne Region - Fort à la Corne is one of the world's largest diamond-bearing kimberlite fields with proven macrodiamond and large stone potential - Compelling combination of Shore's 100% interest in the Star Kimberlite with over 240 million tonnes of kimberlite grading 15.7 cpht and Kensington's 42.245% interest in 63 kimberlite bodies including over 369 million tonnes of kimberlite with 35 million carats identified to date
Aggressive Exploration and Development Plan - Combined company will have a cash position of approximately $175 million ($220 million fully diluted), with no debt, to aggressively pursue its exploration and development plans - $21 million has been budgeted by Shore for 2005 to advance the Star pre-feasibility study (total budget of $44 million with expected completion in 2007) - $26.5 million has been budgeted by Kensington and the other FALC joint venture partners for the 2005 exploration program for the Fort à la Corne joint venture diamond project as part of an aggressive three year plan to identify 70 million carats and advance to a pre-feasibility decision - Combined company's FALC joint venture interest will continue to benefit from the expertise, resources and technical skills of De Beers, the global leader in the diamond industry
Synergy Potential - Potential for significant development synergies and operational economies of scale - Combined company will have a market capitalization of over $780 million, increased trading liquidity, a larger, more diverse shareholder base and an enhanced profile both domestically and internationally, all of which are expected to provide it with better access to capital
Strong Management and Board - Kenneth MacNeill will be the President and CEO and will lead an integrated management team - James R. Rothwell (former President of BHP Diamonds Inc.) will be non-executive Chairman of the combined board of directors - The eight-member board of directors will consist of five existing Shore directors (Kenneth MacNeill, Arnie Hillier, Neil McMillan, Ronald Walker, Harvey Bay) and three Kensington nominees (James R. Rothwell, Robert McCallum and William Stanley)
Strong Sponsorship - Newmont is highly supportive of this transaction and has confirmed their desire to maintain a 9.9% interest in the combined company
"As a major shareholder of Shore we fully support the combination of Shore and Kensington. It will give the combined shareholders the benefits of Shore's exciting, wholly owned development project and the exploration potential on the FALC joint venture's 63 already known kimberlites. The economies of scale to be realized from this merger could also be significant," said Mr. Pierre Lassonde, President of Newmont 3 Mining Corp. "Having been involved in the very successful early development of the Canadian diamond industry, it is exciting now to participate in the huge potential for development of Saskatchewan diamonds," says Jim Rothwell, Chairman of Kensington Resources Ltd.
Transaction
The merger will occur by way of a Plan of Arrangement (the "Arrangement") to be approved at a special meeting of Kensington securityholders expected to be held on or before October 27, 2005. The formal information circular containing the details and conditions of the Arrangement is expected to be mailed to Kensington securityholders in September 2005. The Board of Directors of Kensington has unanimously approved the arrangement agreement and is recommending that securityholders vote in favour of the arrangement at the Kensington securityholders' meeting. Kensington's Board of Directors has received a fairness opinion from BMO Nesbitt Burns stating that the consideration to be received under the Arrangement is fair, from a financial point of view, to Kensington shareholders. Shore has entered into agreements with Kensington's directors and officers whereby such shareholders have agreed to vote in favour of the Arrangement. Upon closing, Kensington's outstanding warrants and options would be replaced with Shore warrants and options with equivalent terms on the basis of the exchange ratio for common shares of Kensington under the Arrangement. Upon completion of the merger, Shore will have approximately 145 million shares outstanding (162 million fully diluted) and the basic ownership split will be approximately 65% Shore and 35% Kensington. The transaction is conditional on approval from a minimum of 66 2/3% of the votes cast at the Kensington securityholders' meeting and on the receipt of all necessary regulatory and court approvals. The definitive agreement is not subject to a due diligence condition. Pursuant to the agreement, Kensington has agreed not to solicit third party interest regarding an alternative acquisition of Kensington (a "Competing Business Transaction"), subject to fiduciary obligations. Kensington and Shore have each agreed to pay a break-fee of $7.0 million, payable in certain circumstances, including by Kensington where Kensington concludes a Competing Business Transaction. Shore has retained Genuity Capital Markets to act as Shore's financial advisor and Bennett Jones LLP to act as Shore's legal advisor. Kensington's Board of Directors has established a Special Committee to evaluate the combination and to make a recommendation to the Kensington Board of Directors. Kensington's Special Committee has retained BMO Nesbitt Burns to act as its financial advisor and Lawson Lundell LLP to act as its legal advisor.
Conference Call
A conference call is scheduled for Monday, August 15 at 2:00 p.m. Eastern time. The call-in number is:
- North American toll-free: 1-866-250-4877
A replay of this conference call will be available from Monday, August 15 until September 5, 2005. The replay number is:
Shore is a Canadian based corporation engaged in the acquisition, exploration and development of mineral properties. Shares of Shore trade on the TSX Exchange under the trading symbol "SGF". Kensington Resources Ltd. is an exploration and mine development company currently focused on the high potential Fort à la Corne Diamond Project in Saskatchewan. The Fort à la Corne Diamond Project is a joint venture among Kensington Resources Ltd. (42.245%), De Beers Canada Inc. (42.245%), Cameco Corporation (5.51%) and UEM Inc. (carried 10%). Shares of Kensington trade on the TSX Venture Exchange under the trading symbol "KRT".
Cautionary Statements
The information in this news release contains certain forward-looking statements that involve substantial known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which are beyond Shore's control, including the impact of general economic conditions and the price of diamonds. Shore's actual results and performance could differ materially from those expressed in, or implied by, such forward-looking statements and, accordingly, no assurances can be given that any of the events anticipated by the forward-looking statements will transpire or occur or, if any of them do, what benefits Shore will derive from them.
Where to Find Additional Information About the Transaction
This press release is neither an offer to purchase securities nor a solicitation of an offer to sell securities. Investors and securityholders are strongly advised to read the arrangement agreement, plan of arrangement and the information circular to be sent to Kensington securityholders in connection with the special meeting, as well as any amendments and supplements to those documents, when they become available because they will contain important information.
Neither the Toronto Stock Exchange nor the TSX Venture Exchange have reviewed or accept responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this news release.
For further information: please contact: Shore Gold Inc., Kenneth E. MacNeill, President & CEO, (306) 664-2202 or Wade MacBain, Investor Relations, (306) 664-2202; Kensington Resources Ltd., Robert A. McCallum, President & CEO, (604) 682-0020 or Mel Gardner, Manager, Investor Relations, 1-800-710-6083
Sounds to me that you should have invested in either Shore Gold or Kensington. Maybe you would be holding a real company instead of a scam.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Just a little peek at the future. Wouldn't want y'all to get behind.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, first you need real companies doing good things. second you need those companies to merge. this leaves the big problem, not 1 of the cmkx buddies is a real company doing good things. cmkx is a scam thus leaving you with no companies to merge. in fact with this lawsuit against USCA & GEMM & Nevada Minerals, if they lose the claims because of their illegal actions those companies could join cmkx as history. since those diamond claims have a positive history & their value is established to a point they could end up losing to the tune of about &5 of that estimated value to the guy sueing them plus damages...that could put all 3 companies under.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Just a little peek at the future. Wouldn't want y'all to get behind.
I would like to nominate legal for the "loose lips award" for this year. He has now spent over a year dropping "hints", without once having any substantive proof of anything he is posting. I think this deserves some kind of recognition. (Personally, I think he is UC in disguise, but I cant prove that either). IMO, (Lord, I hate those words) this whole bunch is headed for the trash can. None of these companies has a reasonable chance of coming back from the dead, and I'd be willing to bet the end is nearer than farther at this point. To das moon, legal (or UC, whichever you really are).
Posted by legaleagle on :
ed, it will soon appear darker for CMKX than it is currently. But know it's only the "public show". No I'm not Urban. I think some here have already seen my photo to disprove that. However, if you have "boots on the ground" in Sask, you can see the same things Urban is seeing.
Posted by Ric on :
We already proved this was a scam. The master shareholder list proved most of the theories wrong, the 360, UC owning 51%, that the "seller" owned 84%, and UC's dilution. It is so obvious yet the hard core koolaid drinker still don't see it. They still live in the dream world they created and pour out there garbage even with the mounds of evidence that prove them wrong. I think you will have a better chance getting a crack addict off of crack then making them see the obvious truth.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Well, I've about had it with this thread, so I'll just read. My 22M shares will either turn into a million dollars or crap paper. Either way, I'll just sit and wait.
You guys have fun, I got other fish to fry.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ed, it will soon appear darker for CMKX than it is currently. But know it's only the "public show". No I'm not Urban. I think some here have already seen my photo to disprove that. However, if you have "boots on the ground" in Sask, you can see the same things Urban is seeing.
legal, what in hell are you talking about...."soon appear darker"...."public show"?
ed, where have we heard that "I have had it with this thread!" before? LMAO
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
A knowledgeable word of advice. Your last post really made it look as though you had some kind of inside information that others do not have...."boots on the ground" in Sask" and your previous comment about "darker" and "public show". If you do have any such information, legal, SECURITIES LAWS REQUIRE YOU TO MAKE IT PUBLIC, since you would then have information other public investors do not have. I AM NOT JOKING OR BASHING. What you have implied is a very serious matter....to me and to appropriate officials charged with policing trading illegalities.
PS: If you do not have such information, I would strongly advise you to explain that statement.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: We already proved this was a scam. The master shareholder list proved most of the theories wrong, the 360, UC owning 51%, that the "seller" owned 84%, and UC's dilution. It is so obvious yet the hard core koolaid drinker still don't see it. They still live in the dream world they created and pour out there garbage even with the mounds of evidence that prove them wrong. I think you will have a better chance getting a crack addict off of crack then making them see the obvious truth.
If that's all you're basing your scam charges on, forget it. Shareholders on that list have already proven the list is erroneous.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal,
A knowledgeable word of advice. Your last post really made it look as though you had some kind of inside information that others do not have...."boots on the ground" in Sask" and your previous comment about "darker" and "public show". If you do have any such information, legal, SECURITIES LAWS REQUIRE YOU TO MAKE IT PUBLIC, since you would then have information other public investors do not have. I AM NOT JOKING OR BASHING. What you have implied is a very serious matter....to me and to appropriate officials charged with policing trading illegalities.
PS: If you do not have such information, I would strongly advise you to explain that statement.
Wallace why don't you quit trying to sound so important. If you would drive up to Sask and look around and see things happening, that would not be insider information. That's good DD.
If you snoop around in public legal documents, that is not insider info.
You see, that is what I have been trying to tell you. A google search of a persons name is DD, but it's not the end all, be all, of stock research.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Ric: We already proved this was a scam. The master shareholder list proved most of the theories wrong, the 360, UC owning 51%, that the "seller" owned 84%, and UC's dilution. It is so obvious yet the hard core koolaid drinker still don't see it. They still live in the dream world they created and pour out there garbage even with the mounds of evidence that prove them wrong. I think you will have a better chance getting a crack addict off of crack then making them see the obvious truth.
If that's all you're basing your scam charges on, forget it. Shareholders on that list have already proven the list is erroneous.
Thats ridiculous. If it was a fake or wrong then why did the TA give it to the SEC. That means more laws were broken. And if your claim is that the SEC made up the list then that is even funnier. Geeze you are getting silly now. I seen the people get mad because there personsal info was out there. I can't believe you even go there.
But you did just prove my original point.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Time will tell, Ric
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, you & any other cult member still standing by UC & CMKX has completely lost all ability to reason as a normal functioning human being. your minds have gone into a disfunctional area not often seen. the kool-aide referances is a perfect fit as the Jim Jones cult implications match almost completely. there was a cult that killed themselves at midnight Jan. 1st 2000 because they thought aliens were going to be there to take them to new worlds but they had to be dead to make the transition. the cmkx cult is getting close to these levels of delusion. there is no DD about hidden activities on the positive side. there is DD about illegal activities surrounding CMKX, USCA, GEMM & Nevada Minerals. there is proof of cheating, lying, & stealing for all of these companies. if you're implying that these things were needed to complete a master plan you might think of the nickname for one of your cults honored members...WWJD....ask yourself that question. i know the asnswer would have nothing to do with lying, cheating or stealing.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal, I will accept your explanation above. However, as to your suggestion to drive to Sask, I am not about to waste any money on such a stupid trip.
As far as what you think is DD is concerned, I will take it for what it is worth.
Posted by Ric on :
You know legal. I have been PM'd by someone who claims he is from Sask area. He claimed there was nothing going on there and made other claims too. Guess what, I didn't post it, why? It doesn't matter because its hearsay. Like Acca claiming he knew for fact that CMKX was merging with Citicorp. These koolaid drinkers think that by saying things whether they are true or not they will be made god like an worshiped. But believing anyone of them is ridiculous.
So have you been to Sask yourself and what did you see or are you going by hearsay??????
Posted by will on :
Just ridiculous , "boots on the ground" !
How bout a boot in your fatass?
[ August 15, 2005, 20:00: Message edited by: will ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Eloquent, will, eloquent! LOL
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Ric: We already proved this was a scam. The master shareholder list proved most of the theories wrong, the 360, UC owning 51%, that the "seller" owned 84%, and UC's dilution. It is so obvious yet the hard core koolaid drinker still don't see it. They still live in the dream world they created and pour out there garbage even with the mounds of evidence that prove them wrong. I think you will have a better chance getting a crack addict off of crack then making them see the obvious truth.
If that's all you're basing your scam charges on, forget it. Shareholders on that list have already proven the list is erroneous.
Thats ridiculous. If it was a fake or wrong then why did the TA give it to the SEC. That means more laws were broken. And if your claim is that the SEC made up the list then that is even funnier. Geeze you are getting silly now. I seen the people get mad because there personsal info was out there. I can't believe you even go there.
But you did just prove my original point.
Why do you even bother? Leagle/noahtl is a complete idiot. Not a SINGLE one of his theories have come true and he has yet to disprove all the negative facts I've posted.
He's some idiot in a wheelchair crying out for attention
Posted by Ric on :
Re: GB: Is UC a smart businessman? FWIW « Reply #9 on Today at 11:01am » Starlight,
I am writing this letter in response to your comment regarding UC as a businessman.
I am aware that you have knowledge of the current events which are taking place. However, in my opinion you have no understanding regarding the events taking place.
IMO UC was self-dealing, negligent, and willful in his conduct regarding CMKX and the shareholders. He showed negligence by not maintaining books, records, contracts, and necessary paperwork in an orderly way. Most offices do not allow original paperwork to leave an office, usually only copies leave an office, and a record maintained of dates, and to whom they were sent. UC owed a duty of care to CMKX, and the shareholders, and by not showing a duty of care he has harmed the company and the shareholders.
IMO UC did not abide by the SEC laws and regulations, and by such conduct he has harmed CMKX, and the shareholders.
Why do you believe UC has a right to preferential treatment regarding his conduct? UC is not exempt from any duty others have to comply with.
If you feel ignorance is an excuse then you are still in error. In this instance IMO ignorance is not an excuse, UC owed a duty of care, he knew or should have known. And, IMO is legally responsible.
I realize "beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard for proof, but it does not mean "beyond all doubt."
I urge you to go to the heart of this matter, the basic reason that is in dispute in court.
I am not a basher of CMKX, I am a shareholder of CMKX, and will continue to hold my sense of firmness about the truth of the idea that lies somewhere between "suspicion" and "knowledge."
It is not my intent to bash you, only to encourage you to not be bias from any preconceived opinions you have regarding UC.
Noahtl/Leagle you are such a dufus you love the drama don't you. You empty headed twit this stock is the only reason you have to get up in the morning isn't it. sad sad sad
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Now why do this to George Burns? « Thread Started on Today at 12:39pm » George Burns has put a huge effort to bring boh sides of the CMKX story to all involved.
Why now in these times must people turn face and ridicule, deny and try to bring him down?
Why can these people that now turn face not continue to learn from him?
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George has been banned in Sterling's PalTalk, since he came back from his self imposed exile two weeks ago, for accusing UC of diluting. This morning he was banned from Willy's PalTalk. You can't get much lower than that. Who knows what happened to him? He used to be one of the best DD people.
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George snapped. Some believe he was a basher in sheeps clothing. All I know is my cousin (Sandi) cut and pasted to me some things he had written to her and another lady on a board. To say it was vulgar is an understatement. I certainly don't have virgin ears, but that kind of gutter language turned my stomach. The man has issues, IMO.
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Hi Wolfhound, (and any others), I am familiar with the conversation on platalk and most regular paltalkers are. It put the curl back in my hair and that is not easy to do.
But let's drop the talking about GB since it won't benefit him and we will suffice it to say we don't take the words he giveth forth as the gospel. I never have so this about face isn't affecting me at all.
I will be posting Postrushes post from Board 32 on a separate thread. It notes that CMKX is getting the OSTK treatment now according to the usual plan. -Good point. We are so used to being bashed we may not have noticed.
IMO-Debi
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All these people that used to thrive off the George.
Posted by Ric on :
I know will say duh after getting the answer to this but what is FWIW?
Posted by bill1352 on :
for what its worth Ric...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
i was going to add a smart azz comment to that Ric...maybe...for what its worth i dont know either or something along those lines but i figured i'd let it slide...lol
Posted by Highwaychild on :
What's going on with them Philly Eagles Wallace?Looks like Blitzburg is all over 'em.Now,finaly Big Ben gets some P.T., with 2 two T.D.'s allready on the board.LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
eagles need to rid themselves of T.O....great player but an even greater azzhole. eagles are good because they are a team, t.o. cares less about a team only himself. i'd bet big money him playing the super bowl was only about him & what it would mean to him & his pocketbook or fame. he is a cancer on a team.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I'm just glad football's back! Somewhere Doctoall has to be smiling.(BIG Steelers fan).Hey, it's preseason, but I'll take what I can get.
Bill, yep, T.O. needs to go, go to the Broncos!lol Jerry Rice could teach him ALOT in Denver, on and off the field.
BTW Ric, your U.C. top news story was too funny... "Urban Casavant allegedly began dancing and skipping around the store shouting 'I'm a pretty princess' over and over"...LOL! I have know idea what your "FWIW" question is, seen it around alot, I wonder...
[ August 15, 2005, 21:00: Message edited by: Highwaychild ]
Posted by Ric on :
bill FWIW TY or IOW KMA, LMAO
Posted by Ric on :
Can't wait for college ball. Like Pro but College is my favorite. Got to have my football.
Blood flows orange in UT country.
Did see that the Titans lost but with the team they have, I will be impressed if they have a winning season.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, it's a big Province. Did your friend have the CMKX claims maps? Have they been monitoring the heavy truck movements? Did they walk our claims and count holes? Did they check utility and public infrastructure improvements?
Posted by Ric on :
I said that I don't care. It was hearsay. Just like what you hear. One thing about the internet is you can say anything without having to give proof. But Have you been personally to Sask and seen the operations Legal??? That was the question.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: What's going on with them Philly Eagles Wallace?Looks like Blitzburg is all over 'em.Now,finaly Big Ben gets some P.T., with 2 two T.D.'s allready on the board.LOL
Let's see what happens when the real games start. 28/10 now
bill, TO is good, but I think you might be correct. He could very well be a cancer.
PS: He's been read the riot act. Andy Reed will not cater to him.
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Was this a planned mistake? « Thread Started on Today at 6:19pm » 3. The vote by which the stockholders holding shares in the corporation entitling them to exercise at least a majority of the voting power, or such greater proportion of the voting power as may be required in the case of a vote by classes or series, or as may be required by the provisions of the * articles of incorporation have voted in favor of the amendment is: August 18, 2004
4. Effective date of filing (optional): Aug 18, 2004
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The above is the amendment to the articles of incorporation that raised the AS from 500 to 800 billion.
The form to do this is typed. II find it difficult to believe this wasn't intentional. Urban would have had to known he was making the mistake after he put the date where the percentage of shares owned belong. Then directly after that, on the next line, he had to write the date again. On the original form, I saw a copy of, he went back and crossed through 900 billion and changed it to 800 billion. (lucky us). Due to the share amount correction, it shows that he looked it over. Then... the SOS has to look it over.
How did it get through? IP: Logged I'll be on paltalk sometimes in the doghouse and sometimes in GeorgeBurnsVindicated if you ever want to talk.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, "walking the claims" should have been your first clue. I think I have said on several occasions that there is a team effort on the DD by many people in many parts of the world. I have no reason to distrust my information. You can do as you like.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, you trust somebody that posts whatever on the internet without proof yet you dont trust your own eyes. you find a way, mostly through ppl posting whatever, to tell yourself your eyes & the info they bring to your brain is false. you have court transcripts, 6 months of cmkx 8k's, a master list, a 1/2 azz general ledger, letters from auditors & now 3 of the 4 amigo's are in a very serious lawsuit alledging fraud, theft, bribery & out right violation of a goverments laws & wish's. all of these things say CMKX & its buddies are not honest & are not above criminal actions to line their pockets. yet you tell yourself all this info is false because somebody posts something you want to believe even tho there is no proof of anything they say. even tho there is proof of sorts its probably not true via the 1/2 azz general ledger & the fact that the canadian partners are all broke according to their filings thus they have no money to spend on the things alledged. sad, very sad.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, what I think is funny is that legal demands proof from us or our sources but refuses to give his. He also refuses to except facts that were given at the hearing. He would rather believe its a conspiracy then believe its true. Its a court of law even if it was a admin hearing. A sworn officer of the court is going to present lies to a Judge. The SEC didn't try the case. A lawyer who wants a nice practice afterward did for the SEC. She is possibly going to ruin her career to set up CMKX, lol.
But one thing I do find real funny is the fact that, where is the proof from Sask? All these so called people put there feet on the ground but not one of them thought about bringing a camera. It is so funny how at the race track the cult member take pictures of a coke can at the CMKX tent and tries to make it that coke is involved with CMKX but not one of them can seem to take a picture in Canada. Is it that Canadians don't know how to use a camera or is it they don't own cameras in Canada? Well, I guess we did get that picture of the ducked taped drill sitting on the back of a truck.
Of well, when the facts start biting you in the ass, cover it up and ignore it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, I didn't say that an officer of the court lied in the hearing. What I have said is that they didn't try very hard to bring forth the truth. Most glaring failure: NO DESORMEAU, the company's Treasurer.
As far as evidence, photos etc. Who said there were no photos? We collect evidence for understanding of what is going on in our investment. We have no interest in interfering with what the company is doing by making it all public at this time.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal you can't even prove cmkx still owns those claims. you won't interfer with the company by posting pics???? legal you seem to be getting more & more ridiculace by the day. that would fall under the heading of doing the companies job for them. a public company has no right to hide such info. if as you say somebody was there, saw a great thing happening & took pics then anyone can do the same. its not like guarding a secret that is going to be patented. this would lead any non-kool-aide drinking person to believe your either lying to us or lying to yourself.
Posted by bullish_pennystocks on :
By: uwlungman0 16 Aug 2005, 08:57 AM EDT Msg. 648312 of 648314 Jump to msg. # Excellent article. Re; CMKX... By: hundredtoone 16 Aug 2005, 08:15 AM EDT Msg. 1078043 of 1078044 Jump to msg. # In light of all the attention, why does the SEC continue to cover-up fraud?
by: Kevin M. West
Senator Bob Bennett has opened the doorway for all to see the fraud existing in our markets from the “market side” of things. Sure, the SEC comes out every now and then and busts an Enron or a Worldcom and tells us they have gotten the big guns. But, that is not the whole truth. The biggest fraud in the market is made up of the brokers, market makers, hedge funds, the DTCC, other related organizations and, sorry to say, even the SEC itself.
The fraud we are talking about is the selling of naked short shares to investors through brokers. Every party connected to this criminal act is guilty of fraud and they know it. Naked short shares are shares made out of cyber space (thin air) and put into a borrowing pool to be used in shorting a company’s stock.
Shorting a stock is legal and is a way to bet on the downward movement of a stock’s share price. Legal shorting of a stock REQUIRES the short seller to find real stocks to borrow with the intent of buying those shares back later.
ILLEGAL naked short selling uses these fake shares made in cyber space as the borrowed share to sell with no intent of ever buying it back. It’s like printing money that is fake and buying real merchandise with it. If you or I could make up and sell fake shares in UNLIMITED amounts, we could make as much money as we wanted every single day of our lives and the government would have our backs so we could never get into trouble.
The SEC knows it exists and is a major problem, they enacted Regulation SHO this past January to supposedly (wink wink) take care of the problem. It doesn’t work and they knew it never would. So, why enact it in the first place? Here is what they did…..
They tell those that have any knowledge of the problem, we hear you and agree there is a slight problem and we are addressing it. First we will take our sweet time and take two years to finally start taking action, it only involves billions of dollars annually. What’s the rush? Next, when they finally get the regulation written and put into effect, it does absolutely nothing! So, what’s the next step?
They start shutting down companies on the smaller markets by calling them frauds. What have these companies done to commit fraud? Some of them, are frauds… thank you SEC for doing your job.
What did the rest of them do, they took initiative and started to join forces to try and fight the fraud in the market that is bankrupting them. Some of these companies have life saving, innovative and or planet friendly alternatives to modern industrial products and practices. Some of them…… have what the really “Big Fish” want, they have minerals. Perhaps they have many billions of dollars worth of gold, uranium and diamonds that are the most economically stable resources to maintain and amass huge amounts of wealth.
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (stock symbol CMKX) is just one such company. CMKM Diamonds, Inc. has recently been suspended by the SEC for 10 days and then on the 10th day of the suspension, they were given an administrative action to appear before a judge. What is going on with this little Pink Sheet trading company that it is known by practically every person inside every US brokerage house, the market itself and has as many as 40,000 to 100,000 shareholders and their friends and family? Lets look into this one, just a little….
CMKX has been very quiet about what is going on inside their business, but they have brought in top notch legal advisors in one D. Roger Glenn of the famous Wall Street known firm of Edwards and Angell. Edwards and Angell’s client list reads like the who’s who of Corporate America. They represent companies such as Bank of America, Bear Stearns & Company, NBC and Wells Fargo just to name a few. D. Roger Glenn is a partner in this firm and yet he spent approximately nine months with this company traveling to Canada and Ecuador to see their holdings first hand. Why would such a noted attorney with such big clients take on a small Pink Sheet company that has not reported filings to the SEC since the summer of 2003?
Now, CMXK has also acquired the services of Stoecklein Law Group along with the leadership of the famous Robert Maheu of the Nixon and Howard Hughes era. Mr. Maheu was called the alter-ego of Howard Hughes and helped Hughes buy Las Vegas and run the mob out of town. Mr. Maheu is still connected to political leaders, Senators and past Presidents as well as having worked with and for the FBI, CIA and many other organizations around the world. Why would this man come in to take on the leadership roll as Co-CEO of this company this late in his very successful life?
In an area of Saskatchewan, Canada there is a little company called DeBeers. For those that do not know, DeBeers is a diamond mining company that controls the whole diamond market and industry with the wealth of the many mines they control around the world. They have been called the Mafioso of the diamond world, by some that have dealt with them.
This is also where CMKX has part their mineral holdings. DeBeers, a private company, owns approximately 58,000 acres of mineral rights with very large (perhaps the largest in the world) kimberlitic bodies of earth containing commercially viable diamonds. CMKX surrounded these claims buy buying up over 1.4 million acres of mineral claims all the way around DeBeers claims. It seems DeBeers relied on old technology several years ago to locate their diamond fields and may have missed the largest fields around their claims. However, CMKM Diamonds, Inc. used the latest available technology and is rumored to have not only found diamonds, but uranium and many other minerals as well.
In 2003, CMKM Diamonds, Inc filed a form with the SEC to take them to a non-reporting status. It is rumored they did this to escape making timely filings and having to reveal the true wealth they have found. But, some believe that they had (and still have) a much bigger goal to accomplish. What is that goal? You guessed it, they may have been pounded into the ground by the fraudulent act of naked short selling of the shares of their company. D. Roger Glenn and a Bob Maheu wouldn’t have taken on this company unless they were the real deal and had true wealth, it just wouldn’t make sense.
The company hasn’t come out and officially announced that they have a naked short share problem, but we personally know of individuals holding around one billion shares of this company. At only $100-200 dollars per million shares and an estimated 40,000-100,000 shareholders, it is quite easy to see where there may be the rumored 1.5 trillion shares owned by shareholders both inside and outside the company. CMKX is only authorized to issue 800 billion shares. The 1.5 trillion share amount may be further evidenced by the issuing of three stock dividends in joint venture companies since last summer. Dividend ratios indicate the possibility of 1.5 trillion shares in the market. Did the company issue this many shares? Not possible! Well, if there is 1.5 trillion shares in the market and it is only possible for the company to issue 800 billion, where did the other 700 billion shares come from?
Thin air! It means that a majority of shares held by individual investors would be fake, counterfeit and are only “markers” in brokerage houses all over the world.
Why is the SEC picking on this company instead of going after the ones that perpetuated this crime in the first place? Because, going after the company under the guise of “protecting the shareholders” appears to be the easiest way out of the two evils. Who inside the SEC is making these decisions and why? Who is being protected?
Now, for the scary part… what happens if the naked short share scenario with CMKX is real?
First, let’s look at a possibility of the valuation of CMKX. We have already established that they must have the goods, or they wouldn’t have been able to bring a D. Roger Glenn or a Bob Maheu aboard.
DeBeers owns approximately 58,000 acres of mineral claims that they have admitted to being worth at least $40-80 Billion dollars. CMKX owns approximately 1.4 million acres of mineral claims surrounding the claims of DeBeers, which is more than twenty times the area mass. CMKX has stated they have “hundreds” of possible diamond or other mineral sites that have been indicated by modern technology. A low valuation for this company looks like it could be in the neighborhood of $800 Billion dollars or $1 per share if there were actually 800 Billion REAL shares in the market, and even if the company was only worth one 10th of that valuation, shares would be worth at least 10 cents each. Yet the company is trading at 100th of a penny per share.
Shareholders have held onto shares through thick and thin, with some holding more than two years. If shareholders hear a valuation of $1 per share, they are not going to give them up for 100th of a penny. How is the market going to buy back the other 700 Billion shares from shareholders to clean this problem up so they company can go about everyday business as a company should be allowed to do and investors can make the profits that they have a right to? Well, someone is going to have to shell out Billions of dollars on just this one stock, possibly 100’s of Billions of dollars! How many more companies are there in this same boat? There are other companies with problems from naked short selling like Overstock.com, Eagle Tech Communications and Krispy Kreme.... how big is their problem?
This could ruin our markets! This is not conspiracy stuff, the SEC has admitted that naked short selling is real and exists in our markets. Can our markets afford a several Trillion dollar hit to clean up all of this fraud? That’s what is coming if they don’t act on it right away.
As far as throwing the market trillions of social security dollars by way of privatized accounts……. NO WAY!!! We cannot allow this to happen until the markets are cleaned up and we can be sure it is a level playing field.
America wants to know:
Why doesn’t the SEC just stop the nonsense and come clean? Let’s work together to stop this crime and stop the money flow out of our country, our businesses and our individual pockets!
Thats an old article but besides with the the proof thats available now we know this is a scam. And also even Frizzle hasn't proven massive shorting. Looks like he has even given up trying. The notion was that the 703 billion shares were owned by the insider so the shorting had to be massive. But in fact the evidence now proves that the insiders sold off there shares and hold very little. And with nearly 690 billion shares being sold to market by the company. NSS is nearly impossible with the dilution dumped on us by the company.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Frizzell will be reporting later today or early tomorrow.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Hey guys, save your fingers from typing. Bashing legal at it's finest:
Not much from this forum. Except that legal is hard at work.
Thanks for all the posts and attempting to help us Legal! It is appreciated! ===========================================
Ric- You still do not get it, to much egg headedness on your part.
Wallace- I was actually worried for a minute when I did not see your posts, I thought the 'end' had come, lol, but I was wrong, 'whewwwwwwww'...
Ohsnap-on, Good to see the board cheerleader out in full force today. "Go bashers! Goooooooooooooooo!! "
Here is a little joke to make you all smile & laugh:
Knock, Knock...
"Who's there?"
Little boy blue...
"Little boy blue who?"
Little boy blue Michael Jackson, that's WHO!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Urban's new home purchased by Brian Dvorak through his PA Holdings Co. and transferred to Urbans Trust Acct
Instrument: 20050325-04480 Book/Instr: Document Type: Deed Recorded: 03/25/2005 14:46:29 Pgs: 5 ReRecorded: N Remarks: Requestor: FIDELITY NATIONAL TITLE Disposition: FIDELITY NATIONAL TITLE 1st Party: PA HOLDINGS INC 2nd Party: CASAVANT, URBAN EE UAJC 2005 IRREVOCABLE TRUST THE
Instrument: 20041021-04157 Book/Instr: Document Type: Deed Recorded: 10/21/2004 13:19:45 Pgs: 4 ReRecorded: N Remarks: Requestor: FIDELITY NATIONAL TITLE Disposition: FIDELITY NATIONAL TITLE 1st Party: MEYERS, MILTON A MEYERS, PHYLLIS 2nd Party: PA HOLDINGS INC
Aztec Mining to commence legal action against Ed Dhonau and Nevada Minerals
Aztec Mining is initiating legal action against Ed Dhonau and Nevada Minerals for 1,500,000 dollars plus damages for alleged fraud against the company. At this time Aztec is notifying the appropriate regulatory agencies including the SEC, NASD as well as various Law Enforcement agencies.
This press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release.
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Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, like the link to the bashing but i'd say thats not for you as much as UC & his buddies. you could stand a little bi**h slappin to help bring you into reality but thats about all...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see...nevada minerals sells their shares back to cmkx for $2 million, 75 billion shares, because Ed thinks his company is better off without cmkx & he now has 2 lawsuits for fraud, cheating & general disreguard for laws. how low is cmkx in his mind if he is ok with these things?
as for that old article posted...Enron had the biggest auditing firm in the country, they had major law firms before & after the truth came out yet ppl want to believe just because Glenn was there for a bit & Mahoo just in the mix its proof of something??? thats an insult to anyone with the smarts of a potato bug.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Urban's new home purchased by Brian Dvorak through his PA Holdings Co. and transferred to Urbans Trust Acct" --------------------
I told you folks some time back that there was some litigation involving Dvorak. Now look who he's in bed with again.
Posted by legaleagle on :
NOW?????? He has been in CMKX as legal counsel since at least Jan 2003.
136 Arbor Way Henderson, Nevada 89074 PO. Box 230656 Las Vegas, Nevada 89123 (702) 794-4992 (Fax) (702) 794-4532 bdvorak@lvcm.com
January 12, 2003
Board of Directors Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. 3887 Pacific Street Las Vegas, Nevada
Re: Opinion of Counsel Respecting certain Shareholder Actions
Gentlemen:
I am an attorney to practice law in the State of Nevada. I have been asked to render an opinion as to whether certain actions may be taken at a shareholders meeting held without notice with the consent of a majority of the corporation shareholders. Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. is a Nevada corporation and is thus governed by Nevada law.
In connection with the matter I have examined relevant records and documents and have examined such relevant law, as I have deemed necessary to render the following opinion.
The actions proposed to be taken at the shareholders meeting on January 15, 2003 are as follows:
a) adopting amended bylaws
b) amendments to the corporate charter
c) ratifying majority share acquisitions
d) electing directors and ratifying officer appointments
e) approving investment banking and other financings
f) approving shares issued by the corporate to date.
Nevada section 78.320 states:
2. Unless otherwise provided in the articles incorporation or the bylaws, any action required or permitted to be taken at a meeting of the stockholders may be taken without a meeting if, before or after the action, a written consent thereto is signed by stockholders holding at lease a majority of the voting power, except that if a different proportion of voting power is required for such an action at a meeting, then that proportion of written consents is required.
3. In no instance where action is authorized by written consent need a meeting of stockholders be called or notice given.
Nevada section 78.390
(b) At the meeting, of which notice must be given to each stockholder to vote pursuant to the provisions of this section, a vote of the stockholders entitled to vote in person or by proxy must be taken for and against the proposed amendment. If it appears upon the canvassing of the votes that stockholders holding shares in the corporation entitling them to exercise at least a majority of the voting power, or such greater proportion of the voting power as may be required in the case of a vote by classes or series, as provided in subsections 2 and 4, or as may be required by the provisions of the articles of incorporation, have voted in favor of the amendment, an officer of the corporation shall sign a certificate setting forth the amendment, or setting forth the articles of incorporation as amended, and the vote by which the amendment was adopted.
The actions listed above to be taken are all such that would be regularly voted upon at a shareholders meeting and/or meet the requirements for amending the articles of a Nevada corporation.
It is thus my opinion that the items listed above may be voted upon at a meeting of shareholders of Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. held without notice to which written consent of in excess of 51% of the shareholders is received.
Very truly yours,
/s/ Brian Dvorak Brian Dvorak, Esq.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "Urban's new home purchased by Brian Dvorak through his PA Holdings Co. and transferred to Urbans Trust Acct" --------------------
I told you folks some time back that there was some litigation involving Dvorak. Now look who he's in bed with again.
Ummm, I don't know. Most likely your wife??
Just taking an educated guess. Posted by duediligence1 on :
The village idiot is back.
When you can't prove the obvious wrong, then attack the messenger. All I ever see is you calling people names yet not one proof that what you believe in is true. Praise those that have the same belief and ridicule those that don't. But never bring anything of value to the conversation. Talk about comic relief.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Dvorak was/is, if I remember correctly, house counsel for USCA. He did an opinion of counsel on some CMKX shares back when and he may have done the above then as well. Can you identify anything that proves he is Secretary, house Counsel or outside Counsel of CMKX? Show me in writing....not your usual kind of DD, legal.
I also noted, legal, your friend psycho (aka JBCak, byrdturd, blueyed??, etc.)is back with his usual low life comments. His posts really say a lot for his home life and his parents.
PS: That opinion of counsel, legal, was with reference to the legitimacy of some shares of CMKX that were issued. Enough said about that, huh.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
psycho:
"Just taking an educated guess."
As per duediligence:
"The village idiot is back."
Posted by bullish_pennystocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Thats an old article but besides with the the proof thats available now we know this is a scam. And also even Frizzle hasn't proven massive shorting. Looks like he has even given up trying. The notion was that the 703 billion shares were owned by the insider so the shorting had to be massive. But in fact the evidence now proves that the insiders sold off there shares and hold very little. And with nearly 690 billion shares being sold to market by the company. NSS is nearly impossible with the dilution dumped on us by the company.
ALL LIES..
Posted by Ric on :
Then please buy more. Put another mortgage on your home, sell all your personal possessions. Borrow from your family and friends, don't leave anyone out. Get every last dollar you can get and please buy more shares. Ed will give you a bargain on his, I'm sure.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Urban's new home purchased by Brian Dvorak through his PA Holdings Co. and transferred to Urbans Trust Acct
When you want to hide your assets from potential lawsuits, you contact a lawyer and have him put them in trusts. That way when the shareholders find out what really happened with there money they can't touch the house. OJ did it in Florida to keep his ex wife's family from touching it in there suit.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm guessing there are a few ppl connected to cmkx, usca, & gemm & nevada minerals & a few others that have been hiding stuff for a while. it would be nice to see what happened to that $60 million gem buy UC made in december 2004 or the earlier one in 2003 i think it was.
Posted by stockster5 on :
ED... I mentioned UC and legal as one and the same......long ago. Is this plagiarism? Also, reverse splits as a way out. I don't understand why UC didn't split yet. I stumbled in here (the board) months ago and decided it was educational. So that's why I visit and chime in occasionally. S5
Posted by bill1352 on :
well on a personal note....lol.....my son got a job hustling beers at Ford Field, in the seats. this means he will be paid to go to each Lions game, 1 college game, 1 college bowl game & The Super Bowl. i bring this up because i'm looking for knockout drops that will put him out at least 24 hrs any idea's are welcome. i think selling beer in the stands at the Super Bowl calls for a fathers touch...lol
Posted by Ric on :
LOL bill, I think your right. He owes you that just for having to put up with the teenage years.
Posted by bill1352 on :
notice how USCA & GEMM do not inform investers that they are being sued for illegal activies & not paying royalities from illegal mining to 14% holders of those claims? one would think thats a material event that could seriously effect future income. and ya wonder why the SEC is innvestigating this group of ppl.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: psycho:
"Just taking an educated guess."
As per duediligence:
"The village idiot is back."
Village idiot??????????????????
Wallace,
I did not know that your daughter had joined Allstocks... Good for her!
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by duediligence1: The village idiot is back.
When you can't prove the obvious wrong, then attack the messenger. All I ever see is you calling people names yet not one proof that what you believe in is true. Praise those that have the same belief and ridicule those that don't. But never bring anything of value to the conversation. Talk about comic relief.
I have to PROVE something to you?
No, I don't. I could careless about you. In fact, if I saw you dying of thirst in the desert I wouldn't even give you my piss.
Comic relief? If I wanted that I'd go talk to your spouse about your mating habits. Posted by legaleagle on :
4C's God of Diamonds
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(Melvin) Oooooooooohhhhhh (IBM) Is Melvin OK? (UC) Oh, yeah . . . just OD'd on STUFFIUM
Joined: Nov 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 533 Location: Carmel, CA "Our" claims . . . who really owns them « Thread Started on Today at 12:24pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since there have been several requests for a "claims" thread showing who owns what, here's the current info as best I can determine.
1. I searched the current Saskatchewan mineral claims database and found no entries for CMKM Diamonds.
2. The claims map on the CMKM Web site is not correct in that all the claims labeled "CMKM Diamonds" are actually held by numbered Saskatchewan partnerships which I'll detail in a moment.
3. All the "original" claims held by CMKM Diamonds as detailed in the DEF 14C of 2003 have lapsed and have been picked up by Saskatchewan limited partnerships (1.4 million acres), Nevada Minerals (325,000 acres) and United Carina (36,000 acres).
Unless there is other data, it looks to me like all the Saskatchewan claims that are purported to be CMKM claims are in fact held by six Saskatchewan limited partnerships. I have listed the partnerships by number along with their claims acreage and the principal stock holder of each parnership:
101012190 43,379 acres Moen, Allan 101023310 29,806 acres Cypress Geoservices 101024796 10,892 acres Kirkland, Ann 101047025 1,012,023 acres Koch, Emerson 101050803 153,882 acres Nevada Minerals 101053292 218,219 acres Sim, Robert
Nowhere in any of these partnership profiles I downloaded from the Saskatchewan government site was CMKM or Urban Casavant listed as a partner. I recognize the JV connection with Nevada Minerals, but Nevada Minerals only has claims for 154,000 acres, and those claims are not in CMKM's name despite the JV relationship.
As far as I can tell from current Saskatchewan government databases, CMKM holds no claims and the partnerships own claims for just over 1.4 million acres.
The big question is how (and if) these claims, which were once an asset of CMKM's and the primary reason I invested in late 2002, will ever find their way back into a position where they do we shareholders some good. Frankly, "faith in Urban" gives me no comfort at all . . . any other rationales would be interesting to hear. Got any?
Cheers,
4C's
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: LOL bill, I think your right. He owes you that just for having to put up with the teenage years.
Gee Bill, I was going to offer you $100 for the Super Bowl tickets.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal's repost of 4Cs post:
"any other rationales would be interesting to hear. Got any?" --------------------
Posts: 1489 Registered: 22-10-2004 Member Is Online
posted on 17-8-2005 at 04:17 PM
SHAWN HACKMAN AND HOW THIS PLAYS
Shawn Hackman an early player in CMKX and several associated companies. Read what he was doing and what he is doing for the DOJ now. Apply it to what you know about CMKX
JOHN L. SMITH: Fraud scheme case promises to set local legal community on its ear
Shawn Hackman didn't distinguish himself as an attorney in Las Vegas, but for a while he sure excelled as a criminal.
There's a lawyer joke in there somewhere, but the trouble in which Hackman finds himself is anything but humorous.
Hackman, 35, on Thursday pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court to one count of racketeering in a case that promises to turn Southern Nevada's legal community upside down: the 64-count indictment of lawyers linked to what authorities believe is the largest "boxed stock" fraud scheme in local history.
A conservative estimate of the profit from the sale of stock in more than 60 cardboard pump-and-dump companies is $35 million. Sources with knowledge of the setup say that number might represent less than 20 percent of the actual amount separated from investors who believed they were buying freely traded stock.
In exchange for his guilty plea, Hackman has agreed to cooperate fully against the remaining defendants: James Farrell of Sandy, Utah, and attorneys Sean Flanagan and Daniel Chapman of Las Vegas and Herbert Jacobi of New York. Their trial is set for June 15 in U.S. District Judge James Mahan's court.
Hackman, who faces up to 20 years in prison, is in line to receive a downward departure from the federal sentencing guidelines if he provides "substantial assistance," according to his plea agreement.
If Hackman's testimony holds up, it will bolster the government's paper-heavy prosecution against the remaining defendants. The case is being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service's Criminal Investigation unit and the FBI's Organized Crime Squad.
Hackman, after all, was in position to view the operation with his own eyes. And he admits he benefitted illegally from the scheme, which allegedly committed acts of "securities fraud, money laundering, wire fraud, mail fraud, interstate transportation of stolen securities and receipt and sale of stolen securities," according to the plea agreement, which was secured by Assistant U.S. Attorney J. Gregory Damm of the Organized Crime Strike Force.
As part of Hackman's deal, he also admitted he was hired by Las Vegan Peter Berney to "issue false and misleading legal opinions" associated with the fraudulent stocks. Hackman also participated in creating front men as corporate officers and helped set up mergers of the phony shell corporations with private companies.
As a result, he said, investors were led to believe they were purchasing shares in legitimate companies with names like Big Tex Enterprises Inc., Tera West Ventures Inc., Dream Team International Inc., Far East Ventures Inc. and Custom Leathers of Las Vegas Inc., among many.
After the shells merged with private companies, Berney, Las Vegan Robert Potter, and others would dump their shares and reap millions. Potter has subsequently pleaded guilty to money laundering conspiracy.
Although it's clear from the indictment and Hackman's plea agreement that Berney is the central figure in the investigation, his part of the case remains sealed. And for good reason.
This case is arguably the largest "boxed stock" fraud investigation in Southern Nevada history, but it's even bigger than that.
Take Jacobi, for instance. He pleaded guilty in October 2001 to plotting to obtain records stolen from the Las Vegas office of the FBI. Jacobi and Potter received the confidential documents from FBI employee James Hill, who later pleaded guilty. Jacobi paid former FBI agent Michael Levin for documents he believed to be authentic.
"It doesn't take much to figure out who's pulling that information from that computer," Jacobi told Levin.
Trouble for the lawyer was, the double-dealing Levin had already cut his own gig with the government and was wearing a wire.
As if that weren't compelling enough, Potter has been identified as part of a mob-connected pump-and-dump stock scheme in New York. One of Potter's alleged partners was an associate of the Genovese crime family.
It was into the middle of this insanely lucrative and dangerous high-wire world of stock fraud that Shawn Hackman found himself.
It's no wonder he wanted out.
John L. Smith's column appears Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. E-mail him at Smith@reviewjournal.com or call 383-0295.
"There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens" Ecc 3,1
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Cannot remember which but either the name Dhonahu, Williams or Casavant also rings a bell in connection with Hackman. I posted something about it ages ago.
Posted by Esteban on :
I called Ameritrade today to see about the restricted shares that Urban "gave us". The nice lady told me to call the company. I found a phone number for Andrew Hill (306-752-3755)and got his message machine, he is on vacation and does not want messages left! He didn't say when he would return. Why am I surprised! Also, I didn't realize the number was a Canadian number..so now I will be paying for an international call. What a rip-off! And Urban is still walking around as a free man!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Cannot remember which but either the name Dhonahu, Williams or Casavant also rings a bell in connection with Hackman. I posted something about it ages ago.
Wallace, when Hackman was picked up by the DOJ he was involved in more that 20 Dhonau companies, most of whom were involved in some way with CMKX. Who might we think he turned states evidence on? Did Dhonau take a deal and let them in the most manipulated of his companies, CMKX? Did Urban agree to co-operate in order to take down John Edwards? Stayed tuned for tomorrows episode of how "The Worm Turns". The "Story" is beginning to break.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Merger Between Shore Gold And Kensington Resources Consolidates Fort a la Corne Diamond Field.
Shrewd timing by Matthew O’Keefe of Canadian brokers Westwind Partners. On August 2nd he published his first write-up of the Saskatchewan diamond explorer Kensington Resources. One of his conclusions was that the best solution for the future of the Fort a la Corne kimberlite cluster might be for Kensington and Shore Gold, another explorer in the same mining camp, to merge. Yesterday the two companies announced that they did, indeed, intend to tie the knot. Not only that, but Robert McCallum, president and CEO of Kensington, confirmed that serious talks had only been going on for about a fortnight. Either Mr O’Keefe acted as a catalyst for the deal, or he was very well informed, or it was all a complete fluke. We will never know, but suggest he claims the first alternative.
The Fort a la Corne field is one of the largest diamond-bearing kimberlite clusters in the world. And the great advantage it holds over the Ekati and Diavik diamond mines and other projects in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut is that the 57,000 acre property is in Saskatchewan and is not only accessible all year round, but infrastructure is available and costs considerably lower. The Kensington joint venture contains 52 kimberlite pipes located within the main northwesterly trend and an additional 11 kimberlites in a satellite cluster some 20 kilometres to the east. The individual bodies are large, with surface expressions covering up to 250 hectares and lie beneath 85–100 metres of sand and glacial till. The partners have identified 20 primary kimberlite targets and detailed work on four of these has already shown economic potential with an estimated resource of 35 million carats.
Shore Gold, on the other hand, is focussed on the huge Star Kimberlite which adjoins the Kensington property and it is thought that up to 30 per cent of it may actually lie on Kensington’s side of the border. This came to light when Shore was carrying out its recent underground bulk sampling operation and it became clear that mining would be simplified if there was access from both sides. The resource on Shore Gold’s portion is estimated at over 240 million tonnes of kimberlite grading 15.7 carats/100 tonnes. An open pit operation involving the whole of the kimberlite could be of a size that would impact the world’s annual diamond production.
Talk such as this is very sobering for directors of junior companies which have not had an easy time in the past. Kensington is equal partners with De Beers at Fort a La Corne with 42.245 per cent each and the other companies involved are Cameco Corporation and UEM. The relationship in the past between Kensington and De Beers has been fraught, but it has settled down under the guidance of Robert McCallum who is an old De Beers hand. Even so the exploration programme has been of the slow and ponderous variety favoured by majors and Kensington has had to find the money to avoid being diluted. Only recently has this become easier as investors began to appreciate the potential of Saskatchewan diamonds. Shore Gold has a 100 per cent interest in Star and the decision to sink a shaft and carry out bulk sampling underground, rather than sticking to wide diameter drilling, garnered information that put it ahead of the Fort a la Corne partnership.
The other strength of Shore lies in its shareholders which include Benny Steinmetz and Newmont Mining . They don’t come much bigger than Newmont and Pierre Lassonde, its president, sees great potential in consolidating Star and accelerating exploration of the other kimberlites, so wants to maintain its 9.9 per cent holding in the enlarged company. Steinmetz controls the Steinmetz Diamond group which is one of the world’s largest integrated diamond marketing and trading companies with offices in Antwerp, Tel Aviv, Mumbai, Johannesburg, New York and Chicago. His interest is in the primary production of diamonds and it is this that may bring him head-to-head with De Beers which is another facet of this fascinating deal.
As Matthew O’Keefe points out, De Beers needs diamonds and this merger has effectively diluted its interest in the whole of the Fort a la Corne field. Recently, De Beers announced that it would be closing the Koffiefontein, Kimberley and Oaks mines in South Africa as they are no longer profitable. This cuts some 75,000 carats a year from De Beers’ production and though this will be made up eventually by three other Canadian operations – Snap Lake, Victor and Gahcho Kue – only Fort a la Corne could allow it to rebuild its resource base with a long term supply of high quality diamonds. This point will not have been lost on Steinmetz, nor on De Beers’ major rivals Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton. The merger between Shore and Kensington could therefore be just the start of a bigger game.
The new company is in a powerful position with a market capitalisation of over C$780 million which will give it international exposure and thus improved access to capital. Its board combines experienced directors from both companies under the chairmanship of Kensington’s James Rothwell, former president of BHP Diamonds. The lack of promotional skill among the five Shore directors will be contributed by Kensington and there is plenty now to work on. The new company will have around C$200 million in cash and no debt which means that the C$47.5 million slated for exploration by both parties this year will cause no pain. This looks like one of those deals where there is real synergy so investors will be watching to see how everyone works together and how De Beers fits in, or doesn’t.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, weren't you a cop? everything say's UC is guilty of a scam yet you want to believe he isn't. even the claims are not in cmkx's name but then thats been true for quite a while. if you applied the same way of thinking your applying to UC they would have fired your butt before you quit being a rookie.
Posted by bill1352 on :
wallace $100 won't buy you a seat in a parking lot near ford field for the super bowl...lol. heck parking for a regular season game is $30.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "Stayed tuned for tomorrows episode of how "The Worm Turns". The "Story" is beginning to break."
W: You seem to forget that it was Urban Casavant who authorized all those shares that immediately ended up on the public market.
Posted by osnapd on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, weren't you a cop? everything say's UC is guilty of a scam yet you want to believe he isn't. even the claims are not in cmkx's name but then thats been true for quite a while. if you applied the same way of thinking your applying to UC they would have fired your butt before you quit being a rookie.
no he wasn't a cop
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Now, legal, your friend and supporter, JBCak, byrdturd, blueeyedtrader, psychedelictrader,etc. --called psycho -- is PMing me with a Subject of "How's the O2 tank?".
As in the past, I noticed you posted absolutely nothing about the offensiveness of his posts. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, you encourage his demented, filthy posts.
psycho,
I have no intention of reading your filth and will shortly delete it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"no he wasn't a cop"
Was he the janitor?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Now, legal, your friend and supporter, JBCak, byrdturd, blueeyedtrader, psychedelictrader,etc. --called psycho -- is PMing me with a Subject of "How's the O2 tank?".
As in the past, I noticed you posted absolutely nothing about the offensiveness of his posts. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, you encourage his demented, filthy posts.
psycho,
I have no intention of reading your filth and will shortly delete it.
Wallace I have never supported that kind of bs against you, any more than you support osnap and his twisted little mind.
It's just something you "accumulate" when you take a position. One way or the other.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by osnapd:
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, weren't you a cop? everything say's UC is guilty of a scam yet you want to believe he isn't. even the claims are not in cmkx's name but then thats been true for quite a while. if you applied the same way of thinking your applying to UC they would have fired your butt before you quit being a rookie.
no he wasn't a cop
This should be good.
Posted by legaleagle on :
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Greetings Members,
I would like to take the time in this update to discuss several items with you.
Appeal Process: Many of you have read the company's response to the SEC's Motion For Affirmance. I have received nothing from the Commission which suggests the Motion For Affirmance will be granted. As it stands right now, a brief from the company will be filed on or before September 6. The SEC will most likely file their response by October 6. The company will have until October 20 to reply to the SEC's brief. Mr. Stoecklein and I spoke yesterday about the brief and we have agreed to collaborate in the preparation. He has already begun the briefing. I will probably be asked to offer input after the first draft is completed. Mr. Stoecklein is a competent attorney and I expect the brief to adequately cover things from the shareholders' perspective. The wording in the order makes it apparent the Commission does not desire a brief from me or any other party. In order to file a brief on behalf of the shareholders, I would need to obtain permission from the Court before doing so. I do not plan to do that.
Litigation: Thanks to some incredible work from some of your dedicated shareholders, I have been able to keep abreast of many lawsuits that have been filed in the last few months against parties that are involved with CMKX and your investment. It appears to me that there are individuals and companies who have been the victims of some unscrupulous stock deals and they have hired lawyers to file suits to obtain redress. I am becoming convinced that litigation may be necessary on your behalf against some third parties to allow me to obtain all the facts necessary to help this group. As you may know by now a certain individual opened numerous trading accounts in 2003 and 2004 at a well known Nevada broker/dealer to facilitate the sale of hundreds of billions of shares of CMKX stock. Short selling no doubt occurred once it became known in the market that nearly 800 billion shares of CMKX had hit the streets. A lawsuit against certain parties would greatly assist us in obtaining the facts necessary to identify all parties involved in any trading improprieties and will allow us to accurately identify the short sellers. If I decide to bring any lawsuit, I will obtain permission from the shareholder that will be the named plaintiff or plaintiffs in the lawsuit. Any suit will not be brought on behalf of the CMKX Owners Group. There will be no individual shareholders named other than the individuals I select to bring any claims. If I brought a lawsuit on behalf of the CMKX Owners Group, I might be required to spend the next couple of years attending the depositions of 6,000 or 7,000 shareholders or responding in discovery to requests for documents from all of the 6,000 or 7,000 shareholders. This would of course be a waste of the shareholders time and mine. There is concern that a lawsuit by a small number of people would allow u! s to obt ain some huge financial settlement for only those named in the lawsuit. Damages will clearly be sought against those that may be sued. The damages sought will relate to the losses incurred by the named plaintiffs. If a lawsuit went extremely well and certain defendants wished to offer any serious sums of money for settlement, it would be simple to ask the Court's permission to assist us in some way to apportion any recovery amongst the shareholders. I am not a class action lawyer and do not plan on bringing a class action lawsuit. If a class action of some type is in order, I will cooperate with such lawyers for the benefit of all shareholders, but that is not my desire nor my purpose in this potential litigation. Any lawsuit, deposition, subpoena or discovery that I might bring will benefit all of the shareholders if it benefits any one shareholder. I have been litigating cases for 27 years and I know the task I am undertaking if I choose to bring litigation. I will only do it if I am convinced I have no other avenue of obtaining the information I am seeking and there is no other way to get redress for the shareholders. This will not be a suit against the company nor Urban Casavant at this point in the proceedings. John tells me there are those that suggest a lawsuit would yield tons of money for only those that I choose to name as a plaintiff so what good would it do for the shareholders. Remarks like that are very unsettling to me. I have become very thick skinned to some of the remarks I receive from a select few. I do not respond to those that choose to make personal assaults on my integrity or my courses of action. I know that my efforts are helping the shareholders and I plan to continue to do so.
Private Party in Tyler--Last week we were honored here in Tyler to have Hugo Cancio and a production crew come to my office for filming segments of Hugo's documentary on the saga of CMKX. Hugo felt it important that he document all sides of the CMKX story including the plight of the shareholders. He has been to Ecuador, Canada and Las Vegas with Urban and other insiders in the company. He is producing a story that needs to be told. Knowing that Hugo would be in town, I suggested that John invite some of the shareholders from this area to drop by while Hugo was here. Some were interviewed for the documentary. Some of your well respected shareholders came here from Northeast Texas and East Texas to meet Hugo and have a little fellowship. John invited us to his home after a long day of videoing around the office. The fine lady shareholder that allowed me to stay in her home when I went to Washington last month was able to arrange her travels to spend a night in East Texas. I took the opportunity to share a select few documents that we had obtained as a result of months of due diligence by this office and many dedicated shareholders. You have some shareholders out there that spend endless hours researching and investigating various aspects of this case. Their hard work is paying off. I would not dare name them because it would embarrass them and they are not doing this work in order to draw attention to themselves. Please know that I (and all the other shareholders) will forever be indebted to you. Kudos to all of you that are helping to shed light on the problems facing this company. Much talk has occurred since this meeting about my choice to show only certain information and only to certain individuals. I scanned in a handful of documents and did a brief video presentation of some of the documents. I did not hand out any copies of the information. I did not pass out pencil and paper. ! ; It was a short show and tell. Some of the information was disturbing because it was the first time some people had seen an explanation of how these shares hit the market in such a short period of time. I have posted on the owners group site www.cmkxownersgroup.com a copy of a ledger sheet with some handwritten notes that was prepared by someone for Neil Levine as he was working on the audit before the administrative law hearing. We have entitled this document the "Share Distribution Breakdown". This was obtained by me as an item of discovery that went to all parties during the preliminary phases of the administrative proceeding. This is not the "smoking gun" that solves all riddles of the CMKX story but it is very helpful in explaining some things that bothered me (and I assume most shareholders) for a long time. How in the world can a company get nearly 800 billion shares into the market place in such a short period of time? Sometimes documents like this create more questions than answers. Believe me, we are working on answers to the questions that come from documents such as this. The facts surrounding the stock distributions will all come out when the company files it financials. Combine this document with the shareholder information which Pedro has provided you and you can start to piece this thing together. I have obtained mountains of information and more comes to my office on a daily basis. My practice is dedicated to this case alone. Those of you that suggest I am hiding information for some sinister self serving purpose should give more thought to that idea. I am simply bound by laws regarding confidentiality and common sense in the release of most of this information. Many shareholders have been to this office and you are all invited to see what goes on around here on a daily basis. You are! all wel come. We are all in this together.
Communication--Several people have asked about the level of communication between my office and the company. We are not having problems getting each other on the phone. I talked with Don Stoecklein yesterday. He called me while Urban, Ed Dhonau and Anthony Demint were in his office. We discussed the brief and suggestions were made to leave from Vegas to go to Ecuador after the Labor Day weekend. I expressed my desire to meet and discuss the plan for the shareholders and the present state of the claims and various businesses that make up CMKX. It is the company's position that it would violate SEC rules to selectively disclose information about assets and significant activities to certain shareholders (our owners group) without disclosing information to all shareholders. We agreed that such disclosure could occur if I would agree to make my updates following or simultaneously with an 8k. I am hopeful this will facilitate better and regular information from the company. Sorry, but I have no dates to give you on when this might start occurring. I have stated that we have no problem with such arrangement.
Rumor Busting--I hate to be one to burst some hopeful bubbles, because I know the anxiety many of you experience when a rumor begins to fly. I have not been involved in any discussions about settlements with any parties. Neither the company nor any third party has seen fit to call me with any discussions of settlements or even facts that suggest a settlement is in the works. If there is talk betweent he company and any third parties, I am not privy to such talks and have not been told of any. I cannot tell you for a fact that there are no discussions of settlement. I can simply tell you that I have not been involved in any discussions with anyone about settlements. John Martin has likewise not been contacted about settlements being offered by anyone. It will be one cool update when I can relate the substance of any such discussions with you.
Evaluation--I can tell you that I am comfortable in saying the claims represented by the company are being maintained. I make this statement based on reports from third parties that should be "in the know". John and I decided several months ago to make it a part of our investigation to determine as best as we could the existence and value of the claims which we have been told belong to the company. We have paid people on the ground in Canada to give us information about the claims. We do not have a figure for the $value of the claims in Canada, but I am convinced there is substantial value for many reasons. Our investigation reveals there has been a drilling program that continues as we speak. We hope to get more information for you as to the results of the drilling. The last PR about the drilling results probably did more harm than good. I believe we can get better information to you. I have told Mr. Stoecklein that I have some acquaintances of mine in the Oil business that are researching the area and there may be interest the oil concessions on our claims. It will take a another couple of weeks but I plan to continue my efforts in this regard.
Phase II--Some questions have been asked about the status of my work as Phase II or Phase I. The original (Phase I if you will) employment agreement clearly states that my agreement to represent the owners group concluded with a decision by the Administrative Law Judge. This decision was handed down on July 12. John suggested a Phase II because the work we had begun in addition to the administrative hearing representation was far short of being complete. We began receiving contributions and Phase II agreements before the Judge's decision came down. Many of you have not only contributed to Phase II, some have added contributions above the requested $25. Your funds make it possible to continue the work we have begun. I am thankful for your contributions of course. But I am equally thankful to you for the words of support and encouragement that sometimes comes along with your signups. It gets discouraging when hard work gets mocked and ridiculed by certain people. There are a select few out there that seem to delight in being critical, sarcastic and demeaning to our efforts. If I am forced (and it appears I will be) to begin litigation, Phase II will be expensive and could take quite a long time to resolve. If I did not believe it would be helpful to the overall cause of this representation, I would not consider it. I am starting to believe it will be mandatory. John and I have agreed not to do separate updates to Phase I and Phase II members. I hope we do not have to revisit this decision. I have been honored to represent the shareholders as a group. I feel honored to work for the individuals I have met personally as a result of this representation . I wish there were a way to meet all of the group members. This group if it stays together will be a force to be reckoned with. The bad guys would love to see a fractured broken shareholders' group. After all, isn't! that ho w most shareholders do when their investment goes sour? They just run away, bad mouth the promoters and write off their investment losses. A strong shareholders' group can make a difference. We can have disagreements and work them out like mature intelligent people, but we must stick together.
Naked Shorts--In my opinion we have proved the largest naked short in the history of the market. Will these illegal acts benefit the shareholders? There are many factors that must come into play, but I am very encouraged. Management has not "run off". The real assets of the company appear to be in place. It will only take a few deals to get done before these huge short position will be at the mercy of the marketplace. I look forward to that scramble.
Caveat--I do not advise any one to buy or sell stock based on the information contained in this update. You are advised that an administrative judge has ordered a deregistration of the securities of this company because the company has failed to file financial reports required by the SEC. There are serious complications to trading your stock if the de-registration order becomes final. Seek competent advice from a competent investment advisor before deciding to purchase CMKX stock.
FRISCO TRADER: Now on to the good stuff-apparently Neil is connected to John Edwards, who was connected to CROWN, the former MM who was nekked on CMKX. As you will recall, he was mentioned during the hearing....he's suddenly very wealthy and perhaps profitted from massive shorting of CMKX that he received, sold back to CROWN to cover their NSS position
Posted by bill1352 on :
isnt edwards & angell the group roger glenn is from??? notice #6 is directed to them...330 billion shares are listed for #6. also notice in the update frizzy doesn't think pedro's master list is irrelevant as some in the cult thinks...including you legal as you have posted a few times
" Combine this document with the shareholder information which Pedro has provided you and you can start to piece this thing together."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
If I am correct, that does refer to CMKX stock having been issued for dividends. Was a CMKX stock dividend ever declared? Did all shareholders get said dividend? I do not remember that it was declared. If not, what were those so-called dividends and to whom were they given?
PS: There were a number of issuances under the heading Dividends Issued and an Opinion of Counsel given. It appears that all those shares may have been issued as dividends. Public shareholders got none?
Adding all those figures up, it comes to over 731 billion shares, which makes no sense. PS: I think I might have added incorrectly.
[ August 17, 2005, 22:34: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
still the main point frizzy is leaving out is that every single share had to have UC's approval. it doesn't matter where the shares went they came from UC's hand. if those shares ended up making shorting possible it was because UC approved & issued them in the first place. to get into the o/s the t/a had to issue them. as UC was the board & only the board can issue shares into the o/s UC had to give the t/a the go ahead.
Posted by bill1352 on :
" I talked with Don Stoecklein yesterday. He called me while Urban, Ed Dhonau and Anthony Demint were in his office."
still in tight with good old Ed...a guy named in 2 lawsuits for fraud & cheating ppl out of royalties. everyone around UC is caught cheating ppl out of money but UC is clean...ya right. oh ya i forgot...UC is the goverments inside man for a sting operation to clean up the stock market.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Just doing a rough addition on a different calculator the figure above comes to a bit above 331 billion shares....alarmingly close to the increase in the authorized to 800 billion.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Also, it appears all those shares under Dividends carried an Opinion of Counsel as to validity from Edwards & Angel which would be Roger Glenn's opinion. Those just for August 19th total a bit above 300 billion.
Posted by bill1352 on :
seems to me i suggested all those shares from the increase to 800 billion went to Glenn & company...is this proof??
Posted by bill1352 on :
if i remember correctly there were close to 700 billion issued before the increase to 800 billion according to that master list...glenns opinion may have been the a/s needs to be higher then the o/s...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
I thought he or his firm got 300 million, not billion. Could be wrong though. Obvious question is why are those issuances identified as dividends and, if correct in the entry, dividends to whom and for what?
Posted by will on :
"In my opinion we have proved the largest naked short in the history of the market."
Proof is absolute, not an opinion, you either have it or you don't have it. I have not seen any proof.
"We have paid people on the ground in Canada to give us information about the claims. We do not have a figure for the $value of the claims in Canada, but I am convinced there is substantial value for many reasons."
Yet no one can any claims registered to CMKX??? That's seems strange, but he is "convinced".
"Our investigation reveals there has been a drilling program that continues as we speak. We hope to get more information for you as to the results of the drilling. The last PR about the drilling results probably did more harm than good."
I expect either no more PR's regarding a drilling program or more of the "more harm than good" type.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: "Stayed tuned for tomorrows episode of how "The Worm Turns". The "Story" is beginning to break."
W: You seem to forget that it was Urban Casavant who authorized all those shares that immediately ended up on the public market.
What was the buy back about awhile back?I've read somewhere that the a/s WAS going to be around 900 or something like that, if I recall correctly , with a line marked thru it reducing to 800.Why bother with a buy back when it's 800? Either you got 'em where you want 'em, or your really tring to get the a/s down without a rs.I mean he could have done it ten times by now.Hope he doesn't, but I guess he could of, if he was tring to do dulition damage why not go all the way.Whats a 100 billion anyway?LOL Hell, I don't know, I've just never seen anything like it.lol...
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
Those so-called dividend shares would not be those to E&A or Glenn. They could not be designated as Dividends in that case. E&A is mentioned with reference to the Opinion of Counsel...which normally states the shares are legally issued shares and valid shares.
Posted by legaleagle on :
According to VNGNTN there were some dividends or forward splits paid to shareholders in the "old days", as he was the recipient of them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
You are right Wallace, E&A was only giving an opinion on those shares, not receiving them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
And Frizzell gave you a hint that he was intending to sue the person responsible. I have been giving you the name for days now. Edwards.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
The date of the issuance of those shares was 8/19/2004, if I am not mistaken. Therefore, the Opinion of Counsel would have been that same date, or should have been. Do you remember when the authorized was increased from 500 bil to 800 bil?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Frizzell's comments about Pedro's posts and the info he has giving you the picture, refer to the Master Shareholder list distribution, tied to the list he put out tonight. You can see who was getting the shares. And I didn't say that all of Pedro's documents were faulty, I said that we have found errors on it and proven them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Action Type: Amendment Document Number: C9852-2002-012 # of Pages: 1 File Date: 08/18/2004 Effective Date: CAPITAL STOCK WAS 500,000,000,000 @ .0001= 50,000,000 MDC ACTUAL STOCK IS: 800,000,000,000 SHARES @ .0001= 80,000,000 1 PG. ($35,000) MDC
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Thanks. Issued 1 day later. Now, who got dividends and why? I know you don't have the answer, but UC does.
And, WHY DIDN'T PUBLIC SHAREHOLDERS GET DIVIDENDS?
Posted by legaleagle on :
As far as Dhonau goes, I think the suits are being brought by the people who got "stung" by the sting. They are not "happy campers" right now.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Interesting developments. Good night all.
Posted by bill1352 on :
there was a divy split 2 yrs ago but the a/s was 100 billion back then. as for E&A's opinion...ric & i both counted the shares from the master list & it was around 700 billion when the a/s was 500 billion. i'd say that backs up a lawyers opinion that the a/s be increased to cover shares already issued. it was also over 100 billion when the a/s was increased to 500 billion. i could be wrong but i did do a quick add of shares & according to a/s increase dates the o/s was over the a/s twice.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...you were bragging about aztec joining the cmkx family now they were stung by Ed??? second Ed is being sued by a holder of 14% of the diamond claims in brazil. he is sueing because 1) they never paid royalties to him on diamonds they illegally mined & 2) because they failed to keep the mining legal by filing the correct papers with the brazilian gov. then working it to illegally mine & then smuggle the diamonds to europe to sell. you think this guy was wronging someone???
Posted by legaleagle on :
Aztec is a special case. Since I know Scott Tobia, I cannot comment at this moment. When the papers are filed, he has promised me a meeting to discuss it. Currently he is vacationing in Hawaii and like so many other CMKX related people will be incommunicado for awhile.
As to South America, the plaintiff seems to know an awful lot of first hand information about smuggling and other illegal stuff, doesn't he?
Posted by kjs69 on :
So have I made my millions yet? lol. Still holding a million shares of this garbage. This was a joke. I have a friend that made a killing on the run to 0.0012 last year, and I bought in when it was falling. Oh well, it's a loss of $700. No point selling it since I'll only get $20.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well lets see legal...the guy hold 14% of the claims, just about what cmkx holds on some of those claim in canada after selling part to USCA & SGGM. owning that much of something gives you insider status. he was given all momo's to a point from Diagmon, GEMM, USCA & Nevada Minerals. he objected when they wanted to bribe officals for permits. he saw the permits cancelled when the controling company failed to file the required reports. he found out after the fact that mining had happened from arrests made & the mine being shut down. 14% is not a controling interest so he had no real say in what happened....but you want to say this guy was the wrong doer? maybe he went down there & was mining? yet there is much more evidence UC scammed shareholders but you want to believe he is clean. of course Aztec is a special case, just a misunderstanding. its a company you want cmkx attached to.
legal sometimes i think your either lying through your teeth about what you believe or have gone completely brain dead concerning cmkx.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill: "there was a divy split 2 yrs ago but the a/s was 100 billion back then. as for E&A's opinion...ric & i both counted the shares from the master list & it was around 700 billion when the a/s was 500 billion." -------------------- bill, that does not explain why they are listed as dividends in Aug of 2004.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bill, the guy doesn't hold 14% he holds 6.78% in a royalty agreement, the legitimacy of which, has been questioned by the company. Read the Memo. Others own the rest of the 14%, and please note that they apparently didn't want to join in this suit.
Issod also admits that he knew about the bribery plot back in '01 or '02 yet did nothing about it until now. Should tell you a little about how upright this citizen is. If that doesn't tell you check on his Nev Corp - Diasource Management Services Inc. which bounced a registration check on the Nev SOS.
Next, I'm not going to try and defend Dhonau he has been involved in too many shady deals for that. However, it looks like the lawsuit puts most of the blame on Diagem and indicates that Dhonau's Nevada Minerals wasn't even a part of the action since they only came on board this year. They are named, simply because they became part of the operation recently.
If you can point out anything that Dhonau personally did that was illedgal, from the suit, please do. The suit is specific in stating that Brazil and Interpol have already made arrests in conjunction wiht the operation, yet none of the principals have been arrested.
And remember, you are looking at only one side of the lawsuit. Wouldn't it be prudent to hear the other side of the story before you jump to conclusions.
And as to Aztec, I didn't say there was any misunderstanding, they know exactly what they are doing. I said I wouldn't discuss it until I talk to Scott after the filing of the suit.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, i will agree that diagem looks to be the main wrong doer in this. but putting anything against the guy sueing them is ridiculous. he did express his troubles about bribing officals. bouncing a check does not make the guy a criminal....lol if that was the line to cross UC would be in jail for life with his chit. & yes Ed got in late but USCA & GEMM were in it a while ago. it is also true that when sueing you name everyone poissible then weed out those that dont belong later. what i find very hypocritical is that for 2 yrs every company that knows somebody or has every worked for a company that knows someone at CMKX, GEMM, USCA or any of the canadian partners means that company must be part of the CMKX family yet USCA, GEMM & Nevada Minerals, 3 company that for sure have strong ties to CMKX are involved with an illegal mining operation but they may not be involved. to add a companies assets to cmkx all it takes is a phone call but anything illegal just can't be true.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Have criminal dealings been going on in CMKX and related companies? Yes, I'll give you that. The question is "WHO?". And who were they working for. Principals in a sting frequently, if not always, have to be involved in some wrong doing to help the authorities catch the bad guys. We won't know what it was all about until the indictments are unsealed. I just think we are getting close to that moment, and Frizzell is pushing them as hard as he can to get this thing moving. And Frizzell is sitting there with 7,000 evidentiary documents from the govt. So I will have to trust his judgement and insight.
Posted by bill1352 on :
all hail UC, the savior of the penny market....good grief charlie brown. the idea of dreaming for the future is to be realistic legal. i can dream of a 3 way with 2 great looking gals but if i start dreaming supermodels i'm nuts, its not realistic. UC may be turning evidence on someone but he had to be in it from the start. CMKX was not set up just to sting a group of ppl. UC started everything right after he took over by stopping filing. UC gave shares away to every family member, if it was a sting he would not have involved them
Posted by legaleagle on :
IMO, sting started early 2004.
And Urban wasn't a "businessman", he hired people to do that. He is a "wildcatter" and that's what he does best.
It was those "hired" people and a few insiders that caused the mess.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bill, it could have been "supermodels" if you had kept your shares. LOL
Posted by glassman on :
leagalale, it will be interesting to see if the internet pumpers get caught up in the justice net.....
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Now psycho (aka JBCak,byrdturd,blueeyedtrader,psychedelictrader,etc.) has come on again as "Wallarse_1". Must have been banned as "psycho".
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: leagalale, it will be interesting to see if the internet pumpers get caught up in the justice net.....
Ya know glass, it's nice of you to warn me. You know just for my own good and all. We go back a long way on this thread, and I really doubt that you can find a post where I recommended CMKX to anyone. I bring information and opinion here. Mine and others, for people to read and make up their own minds. If I am "guilty" of anything, it is believing in this stock and attempting to answer the bashers here and show everyone that there may be another side to this story that they haven't heard, or even thought of,yet.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Now psycho (aka JBCak,byrdturd,blueeyedtrader,psychedelictrader,etc.) has come on again as "Wallarse_1". Must have been banned as "psycho".
That was my first thought Wallace. Now I wonder if osnapd has been banned and will come back as "legalbeagle".
Posted by ed19363 on :
When do we start making money?
Posted by legaleagle on :
John Edwards MM company, CRWN:
Crown Financial Group, Inc. Announces Cessation of Market Making Activities
JERSEY CITY, N.J., Feb. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Crown Financial Holdings, Inc., (the "Company," Pink Sheets: CFGI.PK) today announced that Crown Financial Group, Inc. ("Crown"), the broker dealer subsidiary of the Company, has ceased market making activities while the Company continues to seek financing from a strategic investor or investors.
While Crown regrets inconveniencing its customers in this manner, the goal has been to do so in as an orderly manner as possible. To that end, Crown had previously voluntarily contracted its trading activities and had requested their valued customers to cancel all open orders and cease routing order flow to Crown.
While Crown hopes to resume market making activities in the near future, regrettably, there is no assurance that we will be successful in achieving our objective. Crown and its employees would like to express our heartfelt thanks to our trading partners for the business you have entrusted in Crown.
Questions regarding this press release should be forwarded to Mr. Robert Thornton at (800) 888-8118 x246 or Mr. Phillip Frank at (800) 888-8118 x386.
Certain statements contained herein constitute "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, estimates and projections about the Company's industry, management's beliefs and certain assumptions made by management. Readers are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. Because such statements involve risks and uncertainties, the actual results and performance of the Company may differ materially from the results expressed or implied by such forward- looking statements. Given these uncertainties, readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Unless otherwise required by law, the Company also disclaims any obligation to update its view of any such risks or uncertainties or to announce publicly the result of any revisions to the forward- looking statements made here; however, readers should review carefully reports or documents the Company files periodically with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
SOURCE Crown Financial Holdings, Inc.
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Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...i think glass is refering to the paid pumpers...the ones on the master list that got free shares, pumpers like green baron, wille & sterling. ppl like you just took the bait...well maybe the bait, the hook, the line, the reel & rod & most of the boat.
Posted by will on :
C'mon bill, you're gonna hurt noah's feelings. Are you saying he's just a second class pumper? He works hard it. Maybe he never recommended a buy, but he sure leaves a trail of inluential slime. Guess everyone couldn't get paid for punping. Some fools do it for free.
[ August 18, 2005, 23:18: Message edited by: will ]
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: leagalale, it will be interesting to see if the internet pumpers get caught up in the justice net.....
Ya know glass, it's nice of you to warn me. You know just for my own good and all. We go back a long way on this thread, and I really doubt that you can find a post where I recommended CMKX to anyone. I bring information and opinion here. Mine and others, for people to read and make up their own minds. If I am "guilty" of anything, it is believing in this stock and attempting to answer the bashers here and show everyone that there may be another side to this story that they haven't heard, or even thought of,yet.
sayounds lahk ya gotta geeyuilty conscience thar dude, ah've seen pleyenty of crimes committed on this stock.... the first time i heard about cmk??? somebody was posting they had a freind in canada that called them on the phone and said he saw diamonds coming out of the ground while they were drilling... and then there's the "buy it for the orphans" people, LOL... 800 billion shares sold? that sounds like quite an organisation to me, and an interstate org at that ... that's RICOH bayeeebeee... i guess freedom of speech goes a long way, but fraud in this case would really be about what/how much one knows and what one doesn't know.... in this case? it didn't take me long to figure out thyy were dumping shares, all i had to do was look at the times and sales and add it up... Posted by legaleagle on :
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someone owes us answers! ~Phx
Posted by legaleagle on :
Some of the links aren't working so explanation below.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- according to the clark county assessors site david coffey our old auditor lives at 2813 channel bay dr and john m edwards lives at 2817 channel bay dr it also shows that coffey bought his house from first colony merchant the signatur of coffey as buyer is followed by his past address which was 8221 emerald ave las vegas nevada which was sold to coffey by first colony merchant president john edwards and lists first colony merchant address as 7500 w lake mead the same address as cmkx and most of edwards companies. now you have a solid connection between edwards and coffey cmkx auditor. edwards set up at least 38 trading accounts at a "nevada broker dealer" which is also the only mm in nevada in 2003-2004 and surrendered a huge ammount of shares during that time. i find it interresting myself as we can not get an audit because a past accountant isnt supplying info to the company. eh? ~Phx
Posted by Ric on :
It is funny how the cult and Frizzle seem to link others to CMKX's crime yet CMKX seems to say nothing about it. The company is in a free fall and near final revocation. But the owner takes the fifth with a personal laywer present. Maheu knows nothing and no auditor will touch the records with a ten foot pole. They keeo trying to ling the accountants to others and blame them. But they seem to forget that no one else wants the job. If this was legit then why is it so hard to find someone to audit the books? I know that legal will claim a conspiracy but does that matter in the end. We reasonable people know there is no conspiracy but as with most cults the brainwashing just will not let them see the truth.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Sounds more like fear of the truth that is now coming out.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Neil Levine testimony at hearing:
"Q. How did you first hear of CMKM Diamonds?
A. I think we heard of them around December of '04 when a -- we got a referral from a business -- a guy we did business with, and he said the company would be looking to hire an auditor. Q. Who was that person?
A. Mr. John Edwards."
Who is John Edwards?
First witness, Neil Levine, CPA. January 10th 2005 he was hired to audit and he has not gotten any papers to perform the audit. John Edwards, a friend of Levine was the one who got Neil and CMKX together. Neil said the company wanted to file the reports so they could go to a higher exchange.
And what does Edwards do? Owns CRWN, one of the largest shorters of CMKX.
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9. COMMITMENTS AND CONTINGENT LIABILITIES The Company has entered into arrangements with organizations, including clearing brokers, which provide for indemnification against losses, costs, claims and liabilities arising from the performance of their obligations under our agreement, except for gross negligence or bad faith. The Company believes the likelihood of a claim being made, the adverse outcome of which, individually or in the aggregate, that can be predicted with any reasonable certainty, could have a material adverse effect on the Company’s business, financial condition and operating results, is remote.
10. CAPITAL STOCK During the three months ended October 31, 2004, the Company issued in privately negotiated transactions 4,824,244 shares of Company common stock not registered under the Securities Act for net cash proceeds of $1,525,000. Shares totaling 4,748,486 were issued to unaffiliated accredited investors and shares totaling 75,758 were issued to an executive officer of the Company.
During the nine months ended October 31, 2004, the Company issued in privately negotiated transactions 7,031,632 shares of Company common stock not registered under the Securities Act for gross cash proceeds of $3,561,101. Placement fees totaling $35,180 were paid to two placement agents in connection with this share issuance. Shares totaling 6,302,086 were issued to unaffiliated accredited investors and shares totaling 729,546 were issued to executive officers, or family members of executive officers.
Financing Activities The cash inflow from financing activities in fiscal 2004 was due to a combination of seven common stock private placements totaling $4,995,725, two cash contributions to equity totaling $1,830,000, a sale of assets totaling $980,000 and option exercises totaling $448,698. The first private placement commenced in February 2003 and raised $340,000 through the issuance of 377,776 shares to employees. The second private placement commenced in March 2003 and raised $293,150 through the issuance of 205,000 shares to employees. The third private placement commenced in March 2003 and raised $2,419,050 through the issuance of 1,612,161 shares to employees, a director and a private investor. The fourth private placement commenced in October 2003 and raised $100,000 through the issuance of 28,986 shares to an employee. The fifth private placement commenced in November 2003 and raised $811,650 through the issuance of 348,347 shares to employees and directors. The sixth private placement commenced in November 2003 and raised $110,000 through the issuance of 50,000 shares and 5,000 warrants to a private investor. The seventh private placement commenced in December 2003 and raised $921,875 through the issuance of 526,786 shares to current and former employees, plus a private investor. The Company took possession of municipal bonds from J.S.A. Investments LLC that were subsequently liquidated into cash of $1,700,000 on October 17, 2003. In May 2003, the Company completed a transaction with Martin H. Meyerson, the Company’s former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, totaling $1,350,000, whereby he made a $130,000 cash contribution to equity, he purchased $980,000 of assets and he reimbursed the Company for $240,000 of expenditures related to certain regulatory matters.
In March and April 2005, Mr. Edwards through the Trust and MFCC made a series of purchases of CFGI Series A Convertible Preferred Stock (“Preferred Stock”) in a private placement. The purchase price of each share of the Preferred Stock was $148.00. Mr. Edwards is the sole beneficiary of the Trust and the sole stockholder of MFCC. The purchases of the Preferred Stock were financed directly or indirectly from the personal assets of Mr. Edwards.
What Percentage?
(25.7%) + (13.5%) + (12.2%) = 51.4% of the Preferred Shares
(13,516,000 Shares) x ($148.00 per shares) = $2,000,368,000.00
WOW!
JOHN EDWARDS is worth over $2 Billion Dollars?
Posted by Ric on :
You can blame everyone you want Legal. Try and connect the dots to make you feel better but in the end just because shady people are connected to CMKX doesn't make CMKX clean.
Holes in books. Why did UC keep such bad records? I keep better records and I am bad at it.
Dilution to 778 billion shares. and 500 billion in last year. Thats an average of 2 billion shares sold per day last year alone. Doesn't even include normal trading of the stock.
UC took the fifth and you can spin it all you want about the sellers but he could have taken the fifth on that information if that was all there was to it. Judge would have been more then understanding if he stated there was a non disclosure clause in the contracts.
Auditor claims apparent illegal transactions.
Lied on form 15. And it bullcrap to think he didn't know. If he didn't he incompetent at best. But really, everyone knows the truth.
Still hasn't filed.
No proof of anything. Keeps shareholders in the dark.
Lied about o/s, business address, and form 15. Got to love a CEO that lies to its shareholders, but its for our own good.
This is just the start of it. And this piece of crap Phxgold has been a proven liar too. After it was proved the 360 weren't Indian tribes he tried to cover it up. The 84% seller ownership was not only stupid when he made it up and made the cult believe it. He doesn't even apologize for his ignorance. So what does he do, makes up more theories to get people like legal to fill there koolaid cups up again.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"This is just the start of it. And this piece of crap Phxgold has been a proven liar too. After it was proved the 360 weren't Indian tribes he tried to cover it up. The 84% seller ownership was not only stupid when he made it up and made the cult believe it. He doesn't even apologize for his ignorance. So what does he do, makes up more theories to get people like legal to fill there koolaid cups up again."
I believe that was Jay_Adobe, not Phxgold.
Posted by legaleagle on :
And if you are done with the same old worn out bashes of yesterday, some would like to move on to understanding why those things may have happened.
From Frizzel's Update:
"As you may know by now a certain individual opened numerous trading accounts in 2003 and 2004 at a well known Nevada broker/dealer to facilitate the sale of hundreds of billions of shares of CMKX stock."
He not only opened several accounts, he OWNS the company. Yep, John Edwards and CRWN. *******************************************8
Crown Financial Holdings, Inc.
(Name of Issuer)
Common stock, $0.01 par value
(Title of Class of Securities)
22834Q 10 8
(CUSIP Number)
Sherwood N. Cook, 3800 Howard Hughes Pkwy., 7th floor, Las Vegas, Nevada 89109, (702) 792-7000
***********************************************
Posted by Ric on :
Legal, lets say your right this time. First time but lets say your right. It seems impossible with the share that the company dumped on us but lets say JE shorted CMKX. Does that change the fact that UC has mis-managed, dumped shares, lied, and refuses to come clean for what he did. Not filing is the problem for getting revoked. You can claim conspiracy all you want but this was a reporting company that has not filed, period. The books are in such disarray they probably can never be a audit. You like to say there is only 5 people that believe this is a scam. Thats far from true. I would bet 90% of the members on this board know this is a scam. It is so clear that its hard to understand how anyone doesn't.
But still what if you prove that he did short CMKX. Frizzle already said he was only going to help a select few. The rest can do a class action if they want and he would help them get a lawyer. But no one is getting anything from that. I would say JE is just as smart as UC and put most of his assets in a trust or off shore.
Good luck but no matter what JE did it doesn't make CMKX legit. Still going to be hard to prove. With the average stock turning over its O/S every 40 days and with pinksheets the volume is doubled for every buy/sell. Then add in 500 billion in dilution it would make sense for this stock to have an avg. of above 8 billion in shares a day. So I just can't see the shorting at least to any massive amount. And I already stated that Frizzles fuzzy math was incorrect. He needs to get a mathematician before trying to do statistics. Because he knows nothing about it.
Posted by Ric on :
Since you like copy and pastes legal, heres you one.
Posted by: Investorman In reply to: gump90 who wrote msg# 181928 Date:8/19/2005 12:45:08 AM Post #of 181933
gump - What do you think of this post from RB?
By: stockshockers4 19 Aug 2005, 12:39 AM EDT Msg. 1081663 of 1081664 Jump to msg. # cmkx" claims . . . who really owns them
Since there have been several requests for a "claims" thread showing who owns what, here's the current info as best can determine.
1. searched the current Saskatchewan mineral claims database and found no entries for CMKM Diamonds.
2. The claims map on the CMKM Web site is not correct in that all the claims labeled "CMKM Diamonds" are actually held by numbered Saskatchewan partnerships which I'll detail in a moment.
3. All the "original" claims held by CMKM Diamonds as detailed in the DEF 14C of 2003 have lapsed and have been picked up by Saskatchewan limited partnerships (1.4 million acres), Nevada Minerals (325,000 acres) and United Carina (36,000 acres).
Unless there is other data, it looks to me like all the Saskatchewan claims that are purported to be CMKM claims are in fact held by six Saskatchewan limited partnerships. I have listed the partnerships by number along with their claims acreage and the principal stock holder of each parnership:
101012190 43,379 acres Moen, Allan 101023310 29,806 acres Cypress Geoservices 101024796 10,892 acres Kirkland, Ann 101047025 1,012,023 acres Koch, Emerson 101050803 153,882 acres Nevada Minerals 101053292 218,219 acres Sim, Robert
Nowhere in any of these partnership profiles I downloaded from the Saskatchewan government site was CMKM or Urban Casavant listed as a partner. I recognize the JV connection with Nevada Minerals, but Nevada Minerals only has claims for 154,000 acres, and those claims are not in CMKM's name despite the JV relationship.
As far as I can tell from current Saskatchewan government databases, CMKM holds no claims and the partnerships own claims for just over 1.4 million acres.
The big question is how (and if) these claims, which were once an asset of CMKM's and the primary reason I invested in late 2002, will ever find their way back into a position where they do we shareholders some good. Frankly, "faith in Urban" gives no comfort at all . . . any other rationales would be interesting to hear. Got any?
Cheers,
4C's opinion dated late 2004
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Legal, lets say your right this time. First time but lets say your right. It seems impossible with the share that the company dumped on us but lets say JE shorted CMKX. Does that change the fact that UC has mis-managed, dumped shares, lied, and refuses to come clean for what he did. Not filing is the problem for getting revoked. You can claim conspiracy all you want but this was a reporting company that has not filed, period. The books are in such disarray they probably can never be a audit. You like to say there is only 5 people that believe this is a scam. Thats far from true. I would bet 90% of the members on this board know this is a scam. It is so clear that its hard to understand how anyone doesn't.
But still what if you prove that he did short CMKX. Frizzle already said he was only going to help a select few. The rest can do a class action if they want and he would help them get a lawyer. But no one is getting anything from that. I would say JE is just as smart as UC and put most of his assets in a trust or off shore.
Good luck but no matter what JE did it doesn't make CMKX legit. Still going to be hard to prove. With the average stock turning over its O/S every 40 days and with pinksheets the volume is doubled for every buy/sell. Then add in 500 billion in dilution it would make sense for this stock to have an avg. of above 8 billion in shares a day. So I just can't see the shorting at least to any massive amount. And I already stated that Frizzles fuzzy math was incorrect. He needs to get a mathematician before trying to do statistics. Because he knows nothing about it.
Ric can you tell me the difference between a "sting" and a "scam"? Isn't a sting just a legal scam?
Frizzell: "If a lawsuit went extremely well and certain defendants wished to offer any serious sums of money for settlement, it would be simple to ask the Court's permission to assist us in some way to apportion any recovery amongst the shareholders. I am not a class action lawyer and do not plan on bringing a class action lawsuit."
Frizzell: "John tells me there are those that suggest a lawsuit would yield tons of money for only those that I choose to name as a plaintiff so what good would it do for the shareholders. Remarks like that are very unsettling to me. I have become very thick skinned to some of the remarks I receive from a select few. I do not respond to those that choose to make personal assaults on my integrity or my courses of action. I know that my efforts are helping the shareholders and I plan to continue to do so."
"Naked Shorts--In my opinion we have proved the largest naked short in the history of the market. Will these illegal acts benefit the shareholders? There are many factors that must come into play, but I am very encouraged. Management has not "run off". The real assets of the company appear to be in place. It will only take a few deals to get done before these huge short position will be at the mercy of the marketplace. I look forward to that scramble."
And did you notice "OIL"
Posted by legaleagle on :
If our claims are in CMKX name, with all of the litigation and potential litigation, then I might agree that UC was a poor manager, that Maheu is a dottering old fool, and Roger Glenn really doesn't deserve the fees he collects.
Posted by Ric on :
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group,
I have posted on the cmkx owners' group web site a reply from the SEC to the company's response to the Motion For Summary Affirmance. www.cmkxownersgroup.com The document is entitled "SEC Reply Memo". This is the latest effort of the SEC to urge the Commission to deny the company's efforts to appeal. The SEC is pointing out to the Commission that the company response is inadequate and that legal grounds exist to deny the appeal and summarily affirm Judge Murray's decision. The Commission may rule on this motion or they may just let the parties file their briefs. We will see.
I have posted on our website a list of accounts which I have learned were opened at a certain brokerage firm by a single person. See www.cmkxownersgroup.com . We have named the document "List of Trading Accounts". This document was obtained in discovery from the SEC just prior to the administrative proceeding. We believe a large number of shares of CMKX stock were traded through these accounts. I would appreciate a note from any of you that are familiar with any of these companies or trusts. We have information on most of the companies but some of you may have additional information. Please write John at jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com with your information. Put the company name on the subject line to help us in sorting the information. I am particularly interested in knowing the names of any principal owners or key people in these companies. I mentioned these accounts in my update last night. This document does not necessarily imply wrongdoing on the part of these companies. We feel compelled to investigate the companies regardless. The shareholder list which has already been posted on the boards will give you cert information on many of these entities.
cmkx's problem with getting audited has nothing to do with coffey. read the transcript...they owe money to the auditor from 2002, the last time they even had 1 before this yr. they have no records of where money went, why loans were made, why shares were issued. john edwards probably is a scum bag, a lot of ppl around UC are. he probably does have a lot to do with dumping cmkx shares, i don't think UC is smart enough to figure this scam out on his own. it took somebody thinking the whole thing thru. UC's house is not in his name, its protected from lawsuit, the claims are not in CMKX's name or in the names of any officers of cmkx or UC for that matter. this protects those claims from being taken over by outside parties & that includes shareholders once the scam is exposed. UC is the fall guy for somebody in all this but UC had to be in on it from the start. he knew this was a scam, he knew 703 billion shares were being dumped. he knew huge loans were made without the hope of ever being paid back. it was UC that sent money to pay for racing cars. it was UC that bought the missing gems not once but twice. john edwards was probably in on the scam & made big money off it but UC is just as guilty even more so. it was UC telling ppl cmkx was close to reporting, it was UC pumping the stock with race cars, it was UC lying to the public. thats why UC had his personal lawyer in court & why he pleaded the 5th. his lawyer said he pleaded the 5th because he didn't want to say something & have the SEC prove it wrong thus making him out to be a liar, UC had no problem telling shareholders cmkx was ahead of schedule in reporting when they had no books or even an auditor. i guess lying is ok when you think you can get away with it.
Posted by will on :
I really wish you would stop being foolish, legal. There isn't any sting operation. There isn't any NSS situation. There isn't any proven value to CMKX. There isn't anything, there is nothing but revocation coming soon. There might be lawsuits coming on the part of some shareholders, but you watch how Frizzell maneuvers and maipulates the chosen few into changing the target of that suit. It isn't going to be all these folks you have drawn in with inference and inuendo, it is going to be the Captain of your CMKX ship. He is staying close to the company, and the company is probably cooperating with him just enough to keep him satisfied and quiet. It's a cat and mouse game, he's trying to get information from them to hang them, and they're giving him just enough disinformation to keep him interested. He has gotten frustrated once and thretened the company, then they put a lollipop in his mouth and sat him a corner and quieted him down. Soon all that misdirection will run out leaving him one place to go, and you know where that will be. If this was all neat, clean, well managed company there would be no need for all this theorizing, specualtion, inuendo, assuming, cloak and dagger, crap. The facts are out there. Ric and others have listed them for you more than ten times, but you prefer to mix ingrediants to make something new out of byproducts of the SEC kicking this group of wrong doers in the ass. There might be companies connected with all this mess that are being exposed from the efforts of this investigation, but CMKX isn't insulated by a sting operation, it is one of the PRIMARY targets, with slime oozing out it and trailing to other infected companies and CEO's. The SEC uncovered a rat's nest, and are in amazement how deep and large the infestation is.
Posted by legaleagle on :
There isn't any sting operation. There isn't any NSS situation. There isn't any proven value to CMKX. There isn't anything, there is nothing but revocation coming soon.
There isn't proof one way or the other, but if believing that helps you to soften the blow of perhaps making one of the biggest financial mistakes of your life, fine.
Posted by will on :
Well, at least you admit that there isn't any proof that your hairbrain ideas are valid. Thank God, you've came that far. Now, to get you to at least admit your position is a remote longshot and just a dream that could only ocurr if a million unatural things happened all at once. That would be real progress in your recovery.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Will, I'm admitting there isn't any "public" proof.
Posted by will on :
Oh! Then that implies you have proof that other shareholders are not privaledged to, or at least your statement would make it seem that way. Is what you have hardcore evidence, proof, or just hearsay evidence, rumor?
Posted by legaleagle on :
I answered that a few posts back. Remember "boots on the ground". My boots? No. Trusted boots? Yes. Proof enough for me. You go get your own.
Posted by will on :
...and I answered your "boots on the ground" post with ridicule and disbelief, in my own isensitve honest way. I think the case against is strong enough with all the public information that only the case for, or your position, is the one that requires you to get and show proof.
Posted by legaleagle on :
The public information is only partial and for a good reason. It is being released, little by little, followed by indictments IMO.
Posted by ACKCANE on :
I don't mean to be rude, but what do the three of you do for a living?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Nothing. This is it.
Posted by glassman on :
you call this living?
Posted by bill1352 on :
couple things from the new office pic page at the OG site....isn't at least 1 of those places an addy UC used as the company office addy? 1 of the buildings with the mail box business. seems a bit strange that these companies that got large numbers of CMKX shares would be using UC's MO for offices. another company at 1 of those buildings stands out...Nano Signal Corp....isn't that a POS scam penny company that r/s'ed everyone to death a few timnes in the last 2 yrs???
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you call this living?
Beats being dead! LOL Posted by legaleagle on :
Nano Signal is Mike King of BBX Equity, the company that originally funded Barrington Foods and UCAD
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...about your sting idea....is it impossible??? no, very little in this world is impossible. is it probable??? highly unlikely. facts & timeline say UC was part of the scam. first UC moves the mining into a shell company thus he goes public. the moment he has control filing stops & dilution starts. if it was a sting it would mean these outside bad guys went to UC before the reverse merger & UC went to the law thus setting up the sting. it would mean the law allowed 56K ppl buy into this company set up to sting bad guys. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. this would open up the justice department to litigation from he11. they will not set up stings where John Q Public will get hurt. they would have went after the bad guys long before this & in a differant way. also if it was a sting that info would be public now. all the shares have been sold, all the wrong doing is over. the ppl responsible already have their names etched into the bad acts. there would be no reason to waste more money revoking cmkx. they would have sucked in all the bad guys long before now & have all the proof needed. there would be no reason to keep up the act. the only reason to keep up the act would be that UC is the number 1 bad guy, even then proof would be there. in court it was pointed out that cybermark stopped being honest & open the day UC took control. just in the 6 or 8 months before the form 15 was filed the o/s went from 7 billion to 100 billion. this was happening at the same time UC was saying he was buying back shares. every share going into the o/s had UC's approval. of course other ppl were involved, UC could not start up a bunch of fake companies & open trading accounts in those company names using his name. he had to have a few other ppl involved to dump the shares he approved into the o/s.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Grandview Holdings Corporation and J. Michael King Aided and Abetted Fraudulent Activities in Germany; Robin Rodriguez and FSI Futures, Inc. Failed to Supervise Futures Trading of American Trading & Consulting GmbH
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you call this living?
STOP TALKING ABOUT 'LIVING' as Wallace is dying ever so slowly each day. I wouldn't want him to be reminded of what he told us: "Ther doctors say I may only have months..."
Wallace, get a new doctor, you are like 9 months past your experiation date, as per you Doctor, Doctor Fingers.
Glassman, good to see you back. I was wondering what hole you crawled into and out of.
Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you call this living?
Beats being dead! LOL
I WONT EVEN GO HERE WALLACE! You WALKED into that one...
Beats being dead? What about half-dead while gasping on an O2 tank?
Yuck, Yuck, Yuck.... Posted by psychedelictrader on :
quote:Originally posted by ACKCANE: I don't mean to be rude, but what do the three of you do for a living?
They pleasure monkeys for fun on their spare time. While working you can find them camped out on this CMKX Thread, yet they own ZERO shares of CMKX, they have hard-on's about knocking a company they think sucks, YET, find one of them to pick a stock that has 'hit it big'...
They offer ONLY advice on what is BAD about cmkx? Yet have no shares, yet offer no real stock advice (unless it is connected to cmkx and is negative) to posters...
Wallace (Our resident Geriatric), glassman, Ric (egghead) have been here for 14 MONTHS!! LOLOLOLOL...
Yet they hate the stock?! It is one thing to be for a stock and always on a message board, BUT it is just plain FRUITY to be against or not for a stock and hang out EVERYDAY on the thread...
Seems to me ric, wallace, glassman, ohsnapd have been locked in a C-I-R-C-L-E Jerk for the last 14 months...
Gotta go pick up Wallace's o2 tank.
Posted by glassman on :
hmmmmm..... who's that knockin' on the door? it cant be the DEA, they don't have to knock.... how much do you pay for those "little favors" anyway jb??? 7500$ to mule 50keys from laguardia to hicksville sounds about right Posted by ACKCANE on :
"They pleasure monkeys for fun on their spare time. While working you can find them camped out on this CMKX Thread, yet they own ZERO shares of CMKX, they have hard-on's about knocking a company they think sucks, YET, find one of them to pick a stock that has 'hit it big'..."
Ok sparky, and what do you offer to society?
Posted by glassman on :
oohhhh my feewwings awre huwt.... i'm a wittew wetawd.... sheesh, i was hopin' to pick up a quick 7500$
cmk???? sure ain't the way LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
Mr. Coffey's exceptional ability to solve operational problems with technology culminated in his successful creation and maintenance of an extremely sensitive covert communications capability. His leadership significantly enhanced the integration of technical support into espionage operations.
Posted by bill1352 on :
great psycho in here amuzing himself again. the talented wit that he is. did you get tired of amuzing yourself in other ways psycho??? is your goal in life to amuze yourself in 2 ways at the same time???? personally i get up every day just to bash cmkx. i go to sleep at nite dreaming up new things to post just so i can say i followed 1 scam penny stock to its grave & then danced all over that grave. i'm hoping to win humanitarian awards & become rich & famous. my dream is about as realistic as the cults dream of cmkx paying off big time 1 day.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal...wanna bet there are more then 1 david e coffey's in this world??? last nite he was a bad guy today he is part of the sting on the good guys side???? make up your mind legal....lol
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
man this sucks....this company has disappointed me
Posted by bill1352 on :
howdy Cash...hope all is well...cmkx has even disappointed us bashers so your not alone...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
Mob groups attracted to diamond industry: report CTV.ca News Staff
Canada's newly emerging diamond industry is a potential source of criminal activity that could be attractive to both foreign and domestic organized crime groups, a federal agency warns.
In its annual report, Criminal Intelligence Service Canada (CISC) -- a network of federal, provincial, regional and municipal law enforcement agencies -- says it's monitoring the industry for possible criminal infiltration.
"Organized crime could potentially infiltrate the diamond industry through co-opted or wholly owned mining, exploration and cutting and polishing firms," the report says.
According to CISC, co-option could occur if organized crime groups were to place individuals in jobs that could gain access to important industry information or to acquire an illicit supply of rough stones.
Potential threats from organized crime that could impact on the Canadian diamond industry include:
misrepresentation of high-quality fake stones as real diamonds non-Canadian diamonds being misrepresented as being from one of the Canadian diamond mines use of polished stones as a means of currency for transport increase in smuggling of rough stones opportunistic theft at mine sites or while in transit The report also warns that the exploitation of the Canadian diamond industry by organized crime could negatively impact the integrity of Canadian-mined diamonds, resulting in financial loss to consumers and investors.
"For instance, smuggled diamonds could not only negatively impact the integrity of diamonds mined in Canada, but governments could also lose potential tax revenues from their sale," the report says.
"Moreover, a loss in confidence of the diamond industry in Canada could have negative repercussions on consumers and investors domestically and in other diamond producing countries."
Diamond exploration throughout Canada has expanded significantly over the past couple of years with the discovery of diamond-bearing kimberlite pipes in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Quebec.
The next three mines to open in Canada, De Beers' Victor Project in Ontario, Snap Lake in the Northwest Territories and the Tahera Jericho Project in Nunavut, are expected to begin production over the next couple of years.
Additional criminal markets highlighted in the annual report include contraband tobacco and firearms trade, money laundering and human trafficking.
Overall, all Canadians are at risk of being prey for organized crime groups, the agency warns.
"Organized crime groups prey on many segments of society, from individuals to investors to financial institutions," Sureté du Québec Chief Normand Proulx said in a statement.
"The intelligence on organized and serious crime gathered and shared through CISC helps law enforcement to reduce illicit profit- making opportunities, and to protect citizens from being victimized."
The scope of criminal activity in Canada is wide-ranging and includes everything from marijuana grow operations to identity theft and money laundering, according to the report.
"Recent events involving the seizure of counterfeit prescription drugs demonstrate how every Canadian is a possible target for organized criminals," said Deputy Commissioner Martin, CISC Executive Committee Co-Vice Chair.
"Criminals threaten the very fabric of our society and we can only counter that threat by partnering to combat organized crime."
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal...wanna bet there are more then 1 david e coffey's in this world??? last nite he was a bad guy today he is part of the sting on the good guys side???? make up your mind legal....lol
Sting = Good guys acting like bad guys.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: man this sucks....this company has disappointed me
Cash,
Glad to see you are OK. Keep your head down and your feet up.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm thinking john edwards was the good guy in the sting...as part of the deal he got crown out of the market making business. this came about because he was caught in 1 of his scams. he knew about & was part of the cmkx scam so he made a deal.....i think my sting theory makes as much if not more sense then legals...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "Sting = Good guys acting like bad guys."
W: Stung = Good people ripped off by bad guys.
Posted by ed19363 on :
The return of La Cosa Nostra....sheesh
Posted by bill1352 on :
i can see it now...UC fighten off the Goodfella's. callin in a 87 yr old back up. Joe Pesci in UC's face screamin...are you laughin at me??? you think i'm funny??? you think i'm a joke, callin in 87 yr old back up????
Posted by Ric on :
????? Not sure why this is on Owners Group Site. It is pictures of the various address given by CMKX.
Well, I guess he is trying to justify using mail drops as a business address while working out of his home. But I find one problem, UC still tried to claim false addresses. Lied on SEC documents about it and tried to cover it up. Seems to be trying to mask that fact. I always find it funny there is no offices in Sask. Not even a workers trailer. Of course there is no payroll either.
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members,
I have just posted some photos of some of the addresses that are associated with various businesses that transacted certs in CMKX stock in 03 and 04. There is nothing illegal about using a mail drop as a business address. Draw your own conclusions about this activity. The photos can be seen on the CMKX owners group website. See http://www.cmkxownersgroup.com/ . The photos are entitled "Address Pictures"
Have a good weekend,
Onward,
Bill
Posted by Ric on :
By: topo__gigio 19 Aug 2005, 02:01 PM EDT Msg. 1081932 of 1082314
I begin by saying that I'm still around, doing what I know how to do best,invest in the stock market. I'm not as active as I use to be in terms of posting on the boards what my picks are, I do however, continue to call family and friends as it is always been my goal to share the incredible opportunities that come my way.One of the reasons that I no longer post on the boards is that same reason why I'm writing this post, and that is CMKX. What I thought to be a once ina life time opportunity has turn out to be one of the most disappointing and frustrating experiences of my life, with the exception of all of the wonderful friendships that flourished out of this ordeal... This makes me happy.Some called CMKX the " Stock Play of a life time" some said "All is well" others wrote long post praising the opportunity. I personally said many things, to many to remember, it is always hard to remember when your motive are driven by your emotions. More than words I acted upon my emotions, I resigned from my high paying job and traveled all over the country to the NHRA races, I distributed CMKX T-shirts, I flipped burgers, slept in cheap motels, motor homes, made/recieved hundreds of calls, appeared as a guest on radio shows,all chasing a dream, the dream of becoming one of the " One Million Millionaires" LOL. Some of us laugh now, but, back then all of us believed it could had happened and I maybe more that the majority of you thought for sure it would, why? because of my belief in Urban at that time.Notice I said at that time, that is this because in the physical world we live in we have to see to believe and I have heard lots but see none.Lately I have seen shattering evidence that contradicts all I believed to be true, I wont go into details as all will come out eventually and I no longer wish to be a messenger of good or bad news or any news related to CMKX.Notice I said messenger that is because in most, or all cases I became in good faith a messenger of things I heard or was told. Some judge me for that, but would you have judged me if it would have turn out to be true?. I'mproud of my actions, but I'm sorry my actions served no purpose and in some cases it served the wrong purpose. It is time to face reality CMKX is not the stock play of a life time ( it was for some sorry opportunist) and all is not well, not now and in my opinion not for a long time.On a positive note, I have learned my lesson, and that is never to invest based on emotions but on facts, I'm smarter, stronger and a more selective investor,I will from time to time share some of my picks with some of you out there. Please don't make any decision based on this post, these are just my thoughts/opinions which I feel I should share with now, the same way I have shared them with you all in the past....feel free to send your comments to topogigio005@yahoo.com take care.
Posted by Ric on :
Reality hit hard in a heavy koolaid drinker. Maybe there is hope for Legal yet.
Posted by legaleagle on :
topo, jason and Scott Tobia of AZTM are all Bloomington IN, friends. No surprise considering Scott filing of suit against Dhonau.
Posted by ed19363 on :
At least Topo has the balls to admit what we all feel. I couldnt have said it any better.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric are those addy's CMKX used in the past?...i thought 1 of them was. those pics were of the addys used by companies that got shares from UC including SGGM.
Posted by bill1352 on :
topo in reality???? legal pasted his stuff in here many times. i think Will & Upside met him at the race they went to last yr. notice he said things he "saw"....isn't that the same as "boots on the ground"? at least we know that the kool-aide doesn't do permanent damage.
Posted by pensandoenti67 on :
guys and gals check out XRYM it's going to fly next week, check out the XRYM thread!!
Good luck to all!!
Posted by will on :
"topo, jason and Scott Tobia of AZTM are all Bloomington IN, friends. No surprise considering Scott filing of suit against Dhonau."
There's always something, some kind of justification, isn't there? Now he's a turncoat because he has rat buddies involved in a lawsuit against friend of the program.
Well, you should have seen that carny hawk at the races. That guy sniffed CMKX glue and talked nothing but CMKX. Talked it, breathed it, made love to it. Now he's full of crap because he has sobered up, and his pals have a lawsuit in the works? He was right there with the freak show, quit his job, and lived with these guys. He knows more about what was really going on, (nothing), than the faithful will ever know. He heard it on a daily basis, and now he has seen things to convince him that what he heard is really a steaming pile of dung. I did meet this guy, bill, and if he changed colors, well, I would liken that to a miracle of sorts. He was a dedicated disciple, like a Manson chic. I'll believe him, over legal's unproven dreams.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING"
Posted by legaleagle on :
Repost from August 11:
legaleagle Member
Member Rated: posted August 11, 2005 16:46 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, ed there is much more good stuff coming in the near future. And the first stuff will be things that you can guys can really use. But remember, all is not as it seems.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"topo, jason and Scott Tobia of AZTM are all Bloomington IN, friends. No surprise considering Scott filing of suit against Dhonau."
topo said his change was over things he saw. aztm is sueing more then likely over things they were supposed to see but didn't. but of course both are wrong. it was a set up for them to believe everything was going south or a lie to begin with. they are just pawns in the sting operation right Legal? boy will they have a good laugh when the truth comes out.
i sure hope for your sake Legal that you don't look at everything in your life the way you look at cmkx & pals.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Wallace, can I hi-jack you and some other good legal minds to the off topic thread?
Tort reform is the issue at present. Please look under the " bye bye middle class thread".
Thankyou
Dusty
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: "topo, jason and Scott Tobia of AZTM are all Bloomington IN, friends. No surprise considering Scott filing of suit against Dhonau."
topo said his change was over things he saw. aztm is sueing more then likely over things they were supposed to see but didn't. but of course both are wrong. it was a set up for them to believe everything was going south or a lie to begin with. they are just pawns in the sting operation right Legal? boy will they have a good laugh when the truth comes out.
i sure hope for your sake Legal that you don't look at everything in your life the way you look at cmkx & pals.
Here ya go bill, I'll give ya something to work on, and you tell me what's up. Aztec Mining was born last fall from a shell corp called Haritgan Inc. owned by Ed Dhonau and residing at 9750 PEACE WAY #2090 a Las Vegas residential apartment complex address where many of Shawn Hackman's "corporations" resided.
Now we can recall that the "Carolyn" was a diamondiferous pipe drilled by CMKX. According to information at the time, five holes were drilled there and the cores were stored in a secured warehouse by Urban, at least according to the PR. I know, they only reported microdiamonds barely noticeable in the core that was analyzed. But what was in those cores that they stored away? Well we don't know, but with all the land in the claim, and a known diamondiferous kimberlite, it makes you wonder why only five holes, unless they found what they needed to know in only five holes.
But let's leave that particular part of the story and move on, remembering that at least there was a diamondiferous kimberlite on the Carolyn.
Now last fall another questionable character came on the scene, Shaun Spelliscy, a fella who makes his money standing the line at the Sask Claims office to claim or reclaim locations for mining and exploration companies. Well according to court records, Rick Walker claimed that he hired Spelliscy to stand for the Carolyn claims renewal. But apparently failed to put the whole agreement in writing. Walker stated that he hired him to make the claim, Spelliscy says that he was only hired to hold a place in the line for Walker. When Walker didn't show up at the required time, Spelliscy claimed it.
Within a few days, Dhonau picked up a couple of finaciers, chose as President an old CMKX board poster named Scott Tobia, with a background as assistant manager at an H H Gregg, picked up an abandoned gold mine in Alaska, and Ouila!, a mining company was born, and moved to Indpls.
When Spelliscy put the Carolyn up for sale on Ebay, a move always chosen by mining company execs, shareholders began posting that the Carolyn had been lost.
Within a few days, Topo was announcing to the boards that he had "found" the "Carolyn". And it belonged to Aztec Mining. Wonder how long he had to search to find it? And at least for the moment, Spelliscy had put it in Aztec along with a 3% ownership of Shore's "Star". But the Carolyn ownership was put back up in the air as Rick Walker had filed suit for recovery of a claim that many say is worthless. Hmmm why doesn't that make any sense?
Now a quick summary. At a time when CMKX probably knew that they were going to be the subject of multiple legal actions, Rick Walker lets the diamondiferous Carolyn pipe get away from him and Urban, "accidentally". And he has to hire some expensive attornies to try and wrest it back from a company originated, and probably controlled by Ed Dhonau, Urban's partner ????????
Was it a plan to legally hide a "valuable" Carolyn from those who would try to take it away? Was it too obvious that Ed was deeply connected to this company? Is the currently planned lawsuit designed to distance Aztec from Ed Dhonanu, or has there been a double-cross? Stay tuned.
Posted by glassman on :
most likely? it's a bunch of incompetents....
LOL...
you should make a purse out of a sows ear, it's more profitable...
Posted by DeportTheWitless on :
Glass... how you liking this MS summer heat? Walked out to get the mail this morning and the mailbox was little more than a pool of melted plastic on the ground. DQR
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal is you have read up on so much you should have known that diamondferious & economically viable are 2 differant things. every kimberlite pipe that holds microdiamonds is not worth mining. as the carolyn pipe had been looked at & let go at least twice before cmkx took the claim chances are its not worth mining. almost all diamondferious kimberlite is not worth mining. this explains the value of diamonds. the simplest explaination is probably the correct one. thus Ed probably got Scott to come up with cash for something that had no value, thus the lawsuit. Ed may be a scumbag but he keeps his scams private. his company is not selling shares on the open market. not 1 claim in canada is in UC's or CMKX's name thus your idea of saving those claims from a past agreement is moot. that has been done if that was the idea. your sounding more & more like the guy that thinks we never went to the moon. this quack writes books & them uses a copier at home along with a hole punch to print them. i think you & him would have a great time together.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"not 1 claim in canada is in UC's or CMKX's name thus your idea of saving those claims from a past agreement is moot."
Quite the contrary bill, I think it shows very clearly Urban's proclivity for protecting assets by storing them in another name. And again, if it was worthless, why would they spend good dollars on an attorney to "get it back", not to mention more dollars to Spelliscy to reclaim it? And btw, Scott didn't make enough dollars working at HH Gregg to buy into any mining operation as CEO.
Posted by bill1352 on :
again simple is normally right...UC is more then likely hiding assets from you & me. anyone that has owned CMKX since UC took over would be part of a class action suit. i.e. his house, being cmkx is run from his house it would go towards any settlement. its not in his name is it?
Posted by legaleagle on :
101020190 - Clair bobkin/the diamond club/Alvin Moen (many ties with Urban) 101023310 - sask ltd - david dillard and rick kusmirski 101027101 - sask ltd - lee and kory klassen 101010307 - sask ltd - cmkm/nevada cindy casavant
Consolidated Pine - Mike Magrum - Rick Walker Rick kusmirski DW Ventures Thomas Andrew Parker and Rick Walker Explore Resources - Randy and Dwayne Studder (Board of Dir: CFO Robert Hayocht Benne Bouchard and Michele Lemay Luke LaMarsh) North Sask Ventures - Vernon and Ida Studder
.JV Partners: Shane Resources - Robert McClellan, Edward Corman, Mike Magrum Steven Marx, Rick Walker , Rick Wayne Sanderson DW Ventures
Pine Channel Go USCA - Thomas Moses Mercer - Director - and Director of Lone Star Technologies - Oil Pipeline Materials.....
Posted by Binky on :
Hi All
Just wondering if anyone has heard from Upside, or did a big Ontario pike pull him out of the boat and make a meal of him ?
Binky
Posted by bill1352 on :
i was wondering the same thing binky. maybe he just ran away from home, got in the woods & wouldn't leave.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by DeportTheWitless: Glass... how you liking this MS summer heat? Walked out to get the mail this morning and the mailbox was little more than a pool of melted plastic on the ground. DQR
friggin hot.... keepin' movin' but slow and steady, drink lots of water and emergenC...(cheaper and better than gatorade)...
take 3 showers a day LOL..
we hit 100 in the shade yesterday...heat index 110-115..
rain guage is full of dust and they keep saying a cold front is coming on the news, but it never gets here...
been this way for two weeks
Posted by legaleagle on :
Not just UP, all the bahers went on vacation. They invited bill, but he just kept mumbling over and over, ".....but it's 703 billion...... it's 703 billion." and missed the message.
Posted by Ric on :
Topo and Willy
Accadacca and his secret source
Legal's secret stash when the facts come out
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ric, you are a crazy nut! LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
.00009 sales today. Did you all sell your .00004 buys and get a double? LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
the question legal is did you??? it was your golden oppertunity to make some money off this POS, probably your last chance. if mm's were buying at .00009 it must be your infamous squeeze play...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
No way I'm selling any shares, yet. Got a ways to go IMO. Let's watch tomorrow and see if the "rumors" of a settlement being reached Saturday have any merit. The upward movement today may have lent some credit to those rumors.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Good to see you all coming back from "vacation". It was sure quiet in here over the weekend.
Posted by Ric on :
Wish it was a vacation. Did the redneck bit for the weekend. The big yard sale at Father-in-laws house. Had to be 96 degrees too. Had to get rid of my daughters toys and mine. Took one van load itself just for her stuff. Donated leftovers to charity. As hot as it was wish I gave it all to them and sit at home in air conditioner, lol.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
If any of you guys plan to sell toy trains in a yard sale or otherwise, let me know.
Posted by Ric on :
You don't get my lionel's. Also have a miniture N scale setup.
Posted by Binky on :
I read a piece in the Prince Albert Herald last week, that the municipality that maintains the gravel road that is used to haul heavy equipment into Ft.A La Corne wants the 3 diamond exploration companies who are using it to haul in heavy loads and equipment, to contibute to it's upkeep. As a result of all the rain this year, the road has been badly damaged by these heavy loads. The 3 companies named were Debeers/Kensington, Shore and . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Forest gate. Sorry period key stuck on my comp. Lol .
I didn't link to this story and can't get back to it, but I'm sure someone else can find it.
Binky
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: You don't get my lionel's. Also have a miniture N scale setup.
You think I can see those fool Ns? Next thing you'll say you have Zs too. I'll take the Lionels. I'll buy some CMKX and trade you.
Posted by legaleagle on :
TAKE THE DEAL RIC, TAKE THE DEAL.
Posted by Ric on :
I have been considering it. Thought that I would get a house out of the retrade with a cmkx long. But I really like my trains.
Posted by bill1352 on :
rumors of a settlement???? is it a full moon??? seems as if every full moon or weekday ending in the letter "Y" brings a new rumor of a settlement.
Posted by Marty on :
LOL....my Lionel's, in their boxes, stay there....I see this 'happy' thread is still going....no joy (final nail in the coffin) from the judge yet, I would imagine Posted by legaleagle on :
WOW CMKX thread on page 2 ???? You guys aren't doing your jobs. What if some newbie goes out and buys CMKX just because they couldn't find the thread?
Posted by legaleagle on :
notice number 6 on page 2 financial statement must be given every yr...what financial statements??? everybody including UC & Stocklien have stated there are no finacial statements...also #3 on page 2 states a payment will be made aug 1st every yr till 2008...general ledger has no such payment as i recall. plus they just had a payment due...ya think the fact the payment is made or not made would be a material fact that the investing public should know about??? any other reporting company would think so & Stocklien has called CMKX a reporting company since they told everyone they lied on the form 15. bottom line is there seems to be a number of points in that agreement that according to CMKX they may not have lived up too thus that agreement could easily be trash today.
[ August 23, 2005, 13:40: Message edited by: bill1352 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
also notice the signature on the bottom??? nobody could identify that signature...that isnt the same signature UC has used on other things.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I have about 6 cars and 2 steam engines (1280 or something)from a garage sale last summer. Won't give them up. My Brother had my grandfathers Lionel’s (5 engines, 37 cars and untold feet of track+scenic stuff in about 5 big boxes. Notice I said 'had'. Dumbass is now a heroin junkie and all is gone including his mind. I may feel more saddened about the trains than him at this point. alot like the cmkx koolaiders, once an addict always an addict.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hell, stockster, you don't need to engines for 6 cars. I'll buy one engine with tender.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: notice number 6 on page 2 financial statement must be given every yr...what financial statements??? everybody including UC & Stocklien have stated there are no finacial statements...also #3 on page 2 states a payment will be made aug 1st every yr till 2008...general ledger has no such payment as i recall. plus they just had a payment due...ya think the fact the payment is made or not made would be a material fact that the investing public should know about??? any other reporting company would think so & Stocklien has called CMKX a reporting company since they told everyone they lied on the form 15. bottom line is there seems to be a number of points in that agreement that according to CMKX they may not have lived up too thus that agreement could easily be trash today.
Yes bill, that agreement came from the SEC. You would think it would be material to their case, yet so much was not. Kinda makes you wonder what role the SEC has here, doesn't it?
And Frizzell assured OG members in last update, that the claims were being properly "maintained."
Posted by bill1352 on :
why would it be material to the SEC case...it goes along with everything they have been saying. the investor is blind because cmkx has not informed anyone of anything. odds are they wanted to ask UC about that contract. they would have gotten the same thing investers have gotten for 2 yrs...the 5th. as it stands today, with the info we have from CMKX that contract should be voided. if thats the case a lot of the claims are now gone. the point the SEC is making speaks directly to this...we should not be saying it might be gone or it might not be...we should know for a fact.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: why would it be material to the SEC case...it goes along with everything they have been saying. the investor is blind because cmkx has not informed anyone of anything. odds are they wanted to ask UC about that contract. they would have gotten the same thing investers have gotten for 2 yrs...the 5th. as it stands today, with the info we have from CMKX that contract should be voided. if thats the case a lot of the claims are now gone. the point the SEC is making speaks directly to this...we should not be saying it might be gone or it might not be...we should know for a fact.
The SEC knew before the hearing that UC was going to take the fifth. So if they wanted info on this agreement, why didn't they call Emerson Koch, and subpoena the financial documents that had to be submitted yearly?
It seems very apparent that neither the SEC nor CMKX wanted the truth to come out in the hearing. If you figure out why the SEC would suppress the truth in this case, you will come up with the answer that I have.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Spoiled Koolaid????
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
i can buy 40,000 shares for 4 dollars!
Posted by Ric on :
The SEC said they had more evidence if needed in the case. They said they were limiting the case to the false form 15 and non-reporting. But if they needed to they had more evidence if the Judge allowed other information into the hearing. I would bet the SEC had several documents on a lot of different matters if needed. Buy why would they want to damage a possible criminal case in the future if all they needed to revoke was the non filings. If the SEC needed more, I'm sure they were ready for it.
Posted by Ric on :
To me it looks like Frizzy is softing up the cult for future use. Slowly getting them to see what UC did so they will let him sue.
Posted by Ric on :
Willy Wizard Update 8/23/2005
For the last year I have held CMKX stock patiently waiting for that big event to take place. I am feeling more confident at this time then I ever have. In my opinion rewards are coming for shareholders.
Guys and gals we are the miners of the Twenty First Century. We are a different style of miner because we have a vehicle to invest called the stock market. The stock market is our tool to mine start-up companies to find our fortune. I believe or fortune is close and coming soon.
I would start to watch for significant events to start unfolding in regards to your CMKX investment.
On another subject "Frizzell Meeting With Select Shareholders". I am appalled that Frizzell would share sensitive information with a select few shareholders. Frizzell had a meeting in Texas about two weeks ago presenting very negative information about Urban and the company. I was told information came from the SEC in the form of 700 documented pages. I am appalled that supporters of CMKX would fall into the severe negativism that was presented in that meeting.
On arrival home the phones started ringing at negative information was shared with many. Sterling's room at PalTalk was a center of this negative information. The leaders of many tuned on Urban after the Frizzell presentation rushing to share this one-sided information further Frizzell's cause. What was Frizzell's cause? He surely wasn't supporting Urban or loyal shareholders backing Urban's lifetime work claiming claims and building a company that will leading shareholders into one of the biggest mining conglomerates history will experience.
I watch Topo turn his back on Urban after being at Urban's side. I watched Sterling's leaders believe what was told to them. I watched Dr.D question Urban. I watched Hugo question Urban. I was appalled that these individuals would question Urban or their own decisions of the choice of investment.
Frizzell had Hugo present taping his presentation in Texas two weeks ago. I guess Frizzell wanted to make a big part in Hugo's documentary as the saving lawyer that saved shareholders. I have a hard time with that entire fiasco that took place and the intentions present at the meeting.
Hal Engel aka *********** stands 100% behind Urban Casavant and CMKX. I stand firmly in my convictions that I made the right choice investing in Urban's company and Urban's dream. I want all shareholders to know I am one of the only so-called leadrers that hasn't budged since that uncalled for meeting by Frizzell. No one- sided documentation would make me waver to turn on Urban.
Recently rumors are spreading via ***********'s Paltalk room entitled "WillyWizasUnderGround" that the short situation has been stopped. We all hope Urban and Bob Maheu forced a deal with the shorts to stop hurting shareholders investment value. I personally believe this has taken place and look forward to see the end result. I am the only leader of many that believes talks of a settlement have been on-going and could have recently ended with a positive outcome for shareholders of CMKX. Call me crazy if you want to but again I stand behind my conviction that a settlement is what Urban has been working towards for the last year.
Members and all readers hold those shares and pray for the leaders of CMKX. Don't waver or turn your back on CMKX like many recently did. Even those that turned their backs will soon see Willy Wizard is right and Hugo will finish Urban's documentary in a positive manner.
Watch for news from CMKX in the near future.
All the above is my opinion.
Disclaimer: My family owns over 970,000,000 shares collectively of CMKX of which my wife and I own 925,000,000 shares. All this stock was purchased out of the market over one year ago by me and two children that spent their own money. No stock has ever been given to me in any form of compensation by CMKX or anyone related to CMKX.
Thank you,
Hal Engel aka ***********
Posted by TANGO42 on :
I would feel bad if I did not mention. I am working on a project for the benefit of shareholders with a position On 1/6/2004. If you were & can prove it ask noahltl how to reister at CT traders. Some of you already got the newsletter put out there, but some may not have.
Posted by ed19363 on :
If it has anything to do with me making back some of my loss on this POS, please sign me up. Like maybe suing Urban?
Posted by bill1352 on :
if its suing UC PLEASE make it June of 2004 or anyone since 1/2004...lol. i'm with wille on this one...i want to see that info too. frizzy should make all of it public...somebody needs to start making the proof this was a scam public. i mean normal thinking ppl already know its a scam but it would be nice to have all the proof. this contract sure looks like the claims from 025 sask. are gone. no way cmkx held up their end of the deal.
legal as there are no financials according to UC what would you like the SEC to subpoena? Ric said it too. Hakala stated in an objection to frizzy being there she had a lot of info she left at home about shady deals. also probably why desormeua wasn't called, the court was about not filing. it wasn't about value, claims or where the shares went it was about filing period. nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I see it's CMKX, UC and questionable activities as usual. LOL
Posted by stockster5 on :
Wallace#1. I was wrong about the engine number. It's a steamer #682. But when I pulled out the tender it had in big letters CMKX, with FT.A. LACorne Line under it. Do you think it's worth as much as the stock's going to be shortly??
S5
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: The SEC said they had more evidence if needed in the case. They said they were limiting the case to the false form 15 and non-reporting. But if they needed to they had more evidence if the Judge allowed other information into the hearing. I would bet the SEC had several documents on a lot of different matters if needed. Buy why would they want to damage a possible criminal case in the future if all they needed to revoke was the non filings. If the SEC needed more, I'm sure they were ready for it.
They turned over copies of the entire file to Frizzell, 1700 pages I believe it was. Willie is about 1,000 pages short of a full load. Among other things.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stockster5: [qb] Wallace#1. I was wrong about the engine number. It's a steamer #682. But when I pulled out the tender it had in big letters CMKX, with FT.A. LACorne Line under it. Do you think it's worth as much as the stock's going to be shortly??
A hell of a lot more. That's one of the rare ones.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legaleagle Member
Member Rated: posted August 23, 2005 22:40
They turned over copies of the entire file to Frizzell, 1700 pages I believe it was. Willie is about 1,000 pages short of a full load. Among other things.
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finally some common sense Legal...lol you noticed that even tho everyone at that meeting with Frizzy now feels as the bashers have for quite a while, Willy still thinks UC is honest & wants to make him rich too? now there is a guy thats missing a lot of bricks from a full load.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Too bad, that cmkx tender makes it worthless then...................
S5
Posted by Ric on :
What do you expect bill. Willy still believes Acca, the one that said there was a citi buyout and after Citi had to put out a pr saying we have no dealings with cmkx, Acca said it was hacked and would have someone over there fired if citi did't take it off there site. roflmao
Of course, he said no hearing too. And has claimed a settlement every week since Sept 2004. But of course he is right this time, lol. I guess it takes one to believe one.
Posted by legaleagle on :
NO ONE SHOULD MISS THIS TRHEAD. IT'S THE REAL THING, FROM ONE OF THE BEST RESEARCHERS I HAVE EVER WORKED WITH. MUCH WILL BE CLEAR TO LONG AND BASHER ALIKE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS POST. STAY TUNED, IT GETS BETTER.
PB 32 ... Topic: a little light on the situation
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: rumors of a settlement???? is it a full moon??? seems as if every full moon or weekday ending in the letter "Y" brings a new rumor of a settlement.
I don't know if it's a full moon but is sure sounds like someone is mooning us Posted by stockster5 on :
Okay Stockheads. I have a situation happening right now and I’m in great need of worthy advice from one’s more experienced than I. If you all have some time to ponder this.
I own shares of co A (CA from here out) . Over 4 years same name, same business, pps from .0002 to 2.25 over same time frame. Share volume constant. actually had cash dividends 3 years ago. Pps flattened out to sub penny 1 and ½ year ago, but gave 3- 25% stock dividends in recent time frame back 2 years. last 25% stock dividend was announced 7/29/05, (paid me 65000 shares on 8/15/05) along with a sec file of dropping present business And splitting into 2 new but distantly related ventures. company claimed regret for poor stock performance, gave 25% share div… and stated it would not do reverse split or other adverse actions to harm it’s shareholders. But advised it would have some actions to report upon completion of new company processes.
CA has no reverse split action in it’s history. Only thing I can find is late filing causing an ‘E’ after the symbol. Also must tell you, it’s a precious metal, mineral exploration co. which had property in Africa, but dumped out of Africa because of volatility. Okay… what do you all think is going to happen. A. Company does massive reverse split then changes name. B. Company rolls shares into new companies and shareholders don’t lose. C. Company declares all shares worthless ..(aka Kmart) and starts over. It’s quiet before the storm and there’s no info coming as yet. Thanks so much for any input here… Regards Stockster5
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: NO ONE SHOULD MISS THIS TRHEAD. IT'S THE REAL THING, FROM ONE OF THE BEST RESEARCHERS I HAVE EVER WORKED WITH. MUCH WILL BE CLEAR TO LONG AND BASHER ALIKE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS POST. STAY TUNED, IT GETS BETTER.
PB 32 ... Topic: a little light on the situation
Sorry, I'm not allowed to go there since somebody saw fit to have me ejected for naively suggesting UC might be a crook.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I can bring it all here if everyone would like, but it is long. And much more coming.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Never mind....I will believe every word you say as soon as that $2,000,000 shows up in my account. Until then, I have a VERY large salt shaker.
Posted by bill1352 on :
stockster if you have a profit sell & watch. you can always buy back in.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
stockster,
I agree with bill1352. SELL now and watch.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: I can bring it all here if everyone would like, but it is long. And much more coming.
Hell, legal, most of that information is old and a lot of it I brought out in mentions of shady deals or connections of various cohorts. What is new may or may not be meaningful.
Noticed WWJDThruMe (Debi) is still slinging her usual mud.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace, that is only the beginning of the research. Remember, he said chapter one. This chapter is to get people up to speed on the players. Stay tuned.
I think you need to take the rest up with Debi.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"I think you need to take the rest up with Debi."
By now she should know how she mistreats others.
Posted by aj4400 on :
My L2's show a 25 Million buy @ .0007. Does anyone have any idea why?
Posted by stockster5 on :
Actually, I'm more asking if anyone has seen this pattern. I had a company r/s on me, but the announcement was made late on a friday during a holiday weekend, how's that for guaranteeing nobody can unload. The new name came back and priced at .10 a share... out of my budget. And my reduced shares were worth 9.98. At the time before the announcent the pps had bottomed out as well. I realize this is nothing new unfortunitly. thanks. S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Wallace#1 ...maybe I'm going to check ebay tonight on that engine. lol
S5
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by aj4400: My L2's show a 25 Million buy @ .0007. Does anyone have any idea why?
aj, probably a fat fingered trade that left out a zero. Probably was intended to be quad 7 > .00007
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: Wallace#1 ...maybe I'm going to check ebay tonight on that engine. lol
S5
stockster, they may not have your locomotive up for sale. Each carries a different value. All locomotive prices must include the tender. Also condition and orig.boxes are critical for top dollar.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Word out is UC and Dhonau are in Hong Kong. Now I know some will say he is looking for a new home where he won't be extradited. However, I prefer to examine the possibility that if they did, then they have something to sell to the Chinese, and it ain't Kool Aid either.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Hong Kong??? i'll put my money on something to sell...jade comes to mind. as in missing jade & or what ever the second gem purchase that can't be explained is.
Posted by legaleagle on :
WHO IS COLOMBO?
columbo Diamond Hunter
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A kernel of truth
For those of you that have read and commented on the DD we posted last night, thank you for all your thoughts both "negative" and "positive", all are welcome where we come from, and we hope that open communication in this forum will continue and indeed grow.
The reason for this post before we release anymore of our DD on here is to clarify our position collectively and try to put it into perspective for all of us to understand and hopefully appreciate.
First things first. Who is Columbo? In reality Columbo is a tight knit group of friends that initially all met through CMKX, be it on Paltalk ********s, RB, IHUB or Skype. We have as a group been doing deep DD for over a year now, and through all the disagreements and the moments of hope and happiness have stuck together as a team. Metaphorically speaking you are all part of Columbo, each shareholder in CMKX and its web of affiliations. We garner our information off of the internet, and from publicly available documents. Our goal when we started was to just find out some kernel of truth regarding the company we invested in. That said, we have found a lot of pieces, but not the whole truth, it is our belief that no one has found that to this point. Our search continues. We thank each and every person for all of the information they have posted, much of it is very interesting stuff to say the least and all a part of the path to the ultimate answers to all of our questions.
The next subject we want to touch on is that of affiliations. Many of the questions that were elicited from our post last night were legitimate questions, although some left us scratching our heads, most were good. One that we found particularly interesting was one requesting information on which "hedgy" we are a part of. The answer, NONE. Some of us don’t even know how a hedge fund works, let alone how you become a part of one, the answer is no we are not a hedge fund or anyone associated with one. We are not a part of or a party to any Brokerage Firm, Regulatory Body, Law Enforcement (past or present) nor are we part of any promotional or advertising body. We do not "pump" stocks, nor do we condone or support anyone that does. We do not personally know Pedro, George Burns, or any of the other publicly known figures. We have had some basic conversations with different individuals on the Internet or in the chat rooms, but we have no affiliations with anyone but ourselves. As for the Owners Group, some have suggested that Bill Frizzell and John Martin are behind us. That is absolutely untrue, we are our own voice, a collection of people from far and wide that only have one objective, to uncover some facts.
Further to any of the above people / entities, we are greatly interested in the information that has come out recently, it sheds a lot of light on different things we have been researching. We welcome that information flow, and feel we can contribute in an objective and sensible way. We have been asked specifically about the Owners Group and will answer the questions people have had with this statement. We support what the owners group is doing thus far, and the things they have posted on the Internet. The work they have done is something we have found to be valuable in our research. The power of everyone being united in one group certainly is an ideal that we share, and last night’s post was the beginning of our contribution to that end. Do we shareholders have the same feelings on every issue? NO we do not. No group ever does but we would support having open dialogue with everyone and keeping an open mind to everything that is going on and things that are said. Anything less is just being a "yes man" so to speak and we are not interested in thinking along any "party lines".
Next are Pedro and George Burns. One thing that we as a group recognise is the fact that different people appear to have spent their own money and time on a lot of DD and research oriented materials. The freedom of information act info from Pedro for one comes to mind. We as fellow shareholders appreciate the effort put forth to get that information shared with others. That said however do we all agree to everything that was said about that information? NO, but this information cannot and should not be overlooked. All of it needs to be read over and over and absorbed.
As we stated earlier Columbo is many of us. Many diverse opinions and interpretations, many questions some still unanswered. This is not a secretive cult, we will continue to post what we hope is relevant information, some will be, some may turn out not to be, but we hope that it is at least helpful to some of you in our quest for a kernel of truth. In closing we will also state absolutely none of us are affiliated with CMKX. We do not know any of the insiders, and we are not disseminating any information for them. We are not privy to inside information. We hope this clears up some of the questions that have been asked regarding "who you are".
Columbo
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, i give you & all those involved credit for a lot of time, effort & work put into gathering all that info. that said you could have saved yourself a lot of work, time & effort. just looking at the ppl you found says there is a serious problem. i can't post but i was able to get in pb32, there is a thread about UC from 1999 when he was sued. it looks as if the suit wasn't won but a paragraph talked about UC & the guy involved with him. it states how both are known stock manipulaters. remember UC was pushed out of petro plus for putting out mostly untrue prs thus manipulating the pps. he left the company in trouble. in other words UC has been involved with questionable stock activities long before CMKX. add that to all the crooks he brought into CMKX, they didn't bring him into CMKX, & any reasonable thinking person would see that UC is the guilty party in all this with the help of a lot of other crooks both inside & outside the company. i would be suprised if UC did not have an off-shore bank account that can't be touched if even found. you say there is a lot more info coming & i don't question that but i'll bet you dollars to doughnuts its not good news for shareholders.
Posted by legaleagle on :
But bill, you failed to mention the counter suit which debunked all of the allegations. This was a 1999 civil case and there was no disposition, obviously settled outside of court.
Unlike criminal cases, civil actions make every accusation they can think of against the defendant, then they attempt to prove one or two in court. However, this one never made it to trial and we will never know which side was telling the truth.
Allegations and proof are two different animals.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Try not to get too excited, I know some of you won't, LOL but...............
Listen carefully to what this Forest Gate spokesman is saying about what is happening in the area of the Shore Kensington merged claims. I had to listen 3 times to make sure I was really understanding what he is saying. It's that important.
notice he doesn't mention cmkx. he does say other have found kimberlite, in that area i'd say thats a given idea. everything says there are lots of kimberlite pipes in the area. good for forst gate & any company involved in the area. meaningless for CMKX. first the 025 Sask. properiy contract is probably voided. notice where forest gate holds claims, right between shore & debeers, the same area CMKX was supposed to have tied up. also note the o/s & float of forest gate...under 10 million float & 25 million o/s. i know the "M" might throw you off, the term is Millions which is a great deal less then Billions. the differance is in the number of zero's involved, in this case there are 4 less zero's. this lack of zero's add's value if something worth mining is found. but then this goes back to that 1st grade math, something the cult has real trouble understanding...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
I didn't think you would "really" listen, bill. Of course it doesn't name CMKX, so you prefer to believe that CMKX's massive surrounding land holdings were not what he was talking about.
Posted by legaleagle on :
August 25, 2005 (FinancialWire) With JPMorgan Chase & Co. (NYSE: JPM), Deutsche Bank AG (NYSE: DB), Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley (NYSE: WMD) and Merrill Lynch & Co. (NYSE: MER), who dominate the credit-derivatives market, reportedly among 14 banks being called on the carpet by the NY Fed over “unconfirmed trades,” and a super task force of regulators reportedly auditing the top brokerages over allegations of illegal naked short selling, it could soon be “SHO and tell” time.
Regulators are smarting over allegations that they gave super hedge funds a free pass because “fails to deliver” were just too massive to reconcile in the “grandfather clause” in Regulation SHO after the FTDs couldn’t be cleaned up even with a six months notice, and there is growing evidence that the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the NASD and the New York Stock Exchange are not about to let some state regulator do another “Spitzer” on them.
The North American Securities Administrators Association, representing state regulators, was sharply critical of the Depository Trust and Clearing Corp., co-owned by the NYSE and NASDAQ, during the comment period over Regulation SHO, and FinancialWire has been aware for some time that some state regulators have been looking into why the DTCC has fails to deliver amounting to $6 billion a day.
NASDAQ may soon pull out of the DTCC and form its own clearing group, according to Traders Magazine. A break-up of the DTCC has been editorially endorsed by Investrend Information, publishers of FinancialWire.
A growing chorus has also risen from Congress to “make Regulation SHO effective,” rather than what critics say it has been so far, a showcase of illegal manipulation.
quote:Originally posted by aj4400: My L2's show a 25 Million buy @ .0007. Does anyone have any idea why?
aj, probably a fat fingered trade that left out a zero. Probably was intended to be quad 7 > .00007
AJ, maybe I will need to apologize on this. Usually fat fingers are cancelled, but those three .0007 trades are still showing this morning.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
NSS won't help CMKX or UC and cohorts in the least. Their legal problems are a different matter.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace you keep saying UC, but you really don't KNOW that do you? If you invited a neighbor into your house, and they steal your gun and kill someone with it, are you responsible for that death, or just guilty of trusting the wrong person?
If UC were suspect of the things you are alluding to, he wouldn't be traveling the world. He would have already been ordered not to leave the country.
Posted by justplayin on :
legal, technically you would be held somewhat responsibile. Your analogy is a poor one but does get the point across.
Posted by ed19363 on :
It's still all bull****. .0001 is .0001, no money being made.
Posted by Ric on :
You know they had to get Al Capone for tax evasion. Its like saying you really don't know he is a mob boss. Everyone knew what he was, just getting the facts that would hold up in court is another thing. Legal if it smells bad then it usually is. And UC's books an dilution practice alone should tell you something. Let alone all the other facts that have came out.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ed, money being made by folks who bought at quad 4. And can you tell us why a company facing revocation is slowly moving UP?
Posted by Ric on :
Because morons like Willy and Acca are telling koolaid drinkers that a settlement is going to happen in the next 2 weeks and they better be holding or buying share. This is exactly why the SEC is trying to get a summary order. I hope willy, acca, car, jay, and many others go to jail for there lies.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Up where? Sorry, guy, I'm not one of the luckys ones who can buy and sell at less than .0001. All this drivel nets me zilch.
Stock play of a lifetime....yeah, right !!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: You know they had to get Al Capone for tax evasion. Legal if it smells bad then it usually is. And UC's books an dilution practice alone should tell you something. Let alone all the other facts that have came out.
UC's books would have told us something if the SEC had brought them, or the company accountants, to the hearing and made them and their testimony public. Or had subpoenaed Emmerson Koch and the company financials that he had last August.
Posted by Ric on :
I guess it is going between .00004 and .00009 in the last couple days. Guess if you had the balls you could make money playing it. But then to once revocation is announced as final you are stuck holding the bag.
Posted by Ric on :
They did call the present accountant and the so called books. They probably did question Koch and he told them the same thing as the rest. Why do you need the past when you have the current and the same info is being spewd. If the old account had anything other then what Levine did then why didn't CMKX call him? They like keeping these hearings short and sweet. They had all the proof they needed so why call redundant witnesses.
Posted by Ric on :
Nascar Race weekend here, Man what a mess. Was going to Bush race Friday night but wife went into comma Tuesday morning, back out of it now but still not lucid. Probably take daughter to race night today for some fun and take her mind off things. I will sneak back in to say hi when I can.
Posted by legaleagle on :
All CT will be praying for your wife Ric.
Posted by ed19363 on :
We will not comment about ongoing events until the company issues a press release discussing its developments. The Green Baron Report continues to offer CEO Urban Casavant or anyone authorized to speak on behalf of the Company the chance to talk via our webcast audio programming at no cost. Until the Company speaks more openly about its activities, we just cannot guess about what is going on.
Add this to the list of broken promises. No PR's, no news, no interviews. So much for being more "forthcoming", which if I remember correctly was "Iron Bob with the feet of clay"'s job.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Ric, take care of the wife. CMKX isnt going anywhere. You'll both be in my prayers too.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal there is enough in UC's past that says he is in this up to his neck. lets say that 1999 lawsuit was chit & wrongfull. what about petro plus? where they had to get rid of him because the canadian market is much stricter on prs & public statements. if it was only because he trusted the wrong ppl don't ya think he might have checked the background of ppl in a new venture before putting them in a position to tank the company? no defense of UC holds water. his past & the fact that almost everyone he gets in bed with has a crooked past says differant. what about all the info that frizzy was supposed to have shown a group of shareholders? not 1 of those ppl left defending UC. dont give me any horsepucky about UC not being there to defend himself, he had a chance in court, he has had a number of months since court to explain the pile of questionable moves & deals. all you hear from cmkx is another auditor bites the dust.
Posted by bill1352 on :
on a side note....Ric, i told ya AMNI had a big run coming soon...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wallace you keep saying UC, but you really don't KNOW that do you? If you invited a neighbor into your house, and they steal your gun and kill someone with it, are you responsible for that death, or just guilty of trusting the wrong person?
If UC were suspect of the things you are alluding to, he wouldn't be traveling the world. He would have already been ordered not to leave the country.
legal,
If I left that gun loaded, I might bear a bit of responsibility. You seem too willing to overlook the fact that UC permitted misleading PRs to be released, used and lied about the fake corporate address, kept no appropriate records, probably misappropriated corporate funds, had his wife signing corporate checks and other things I have forgotten for the moment. Aren't you aware that he has a duty, a fiduciary duty to shareholders? As such, if he fails those duties (and it appears he has purposely done so based upon many of his past actions and also confirmed by the Court), HE IS LIABLE. There is absolutely no question about it.
[ August 25, 2005, 20:56: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ric,
I just saw your post about your wife. I am very distressed over that situation and hope all turns out well. My prayers are with her and all the family.
PS: Can't she get a transplant?
Posted by Ric on :
The lost the transplant doctor for the region and the new one starts in Sept. So its on hold till then but she will get on the list as soon as its available. This is the third time this year this has happened, one day perfectly fine then over night boom. They thought it was medication induced before but she wasn't on any this time so they think she is having severe seizures that may be causing this but no one is for sure still. But if like the last two times she will be out of it for around 5 days then a week of severe hallucinations then like nothing ever happened. Just hoping it follows pattern again. They are going to try seizure medication on her long term but no one knows if it will work or if it is even the cause. Or if the seizures are just from the state she is in??????
Thanks all for the prayers.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Ric, take care of the wife. CMKX isnt going anywhere. You'll both be in my prayers too.
It breaks up the boredom of the hospital. Daughters day today though. It felt like a 100 degrees outside today. She had a great time though so I just sweated through it. Six blocks of downtown main street blocked off with 50,000 people running around grabbing signatures, samples, and free food with lots of games for the kids. It was a hot mad house with three bands. She made her day when she hit the target on a baseball pitching target. Well at least shes wore out and went to bed early. Back to hospital for me in the morning, sure wish they could get softer chairs in the room.
Posted by Ric on :
Back to the lighter side, is this thing over yet????
Of course it will be years even when revoked waiting on the master plan.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: on a side note....Ric, i told ya AMNI had a big run coming soon...lol
Yeah, but couldn't it have waited two weeks, lol.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric...add my prayers to the list.
one of my boss's is down there Ric. he follows NASCAR all over. last week here at MIS had his motor home in the infield like every yr & left monday night for Bristol. he's originaly from down your way. this guy parks his motor home in line at the gate 6 days before they let anyone in. by the 5th day before the race hundreds are in line. $350,000.00 motor home to go to car races, i dont get it...lol
Posted by Ric on :
Wheres Upside at by the way? Will has been gone for a few days now too.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I think Upside went fishing somewhere. Will lurks quite a lot unless he feels eloquent.
Posted by Ric on :
Shoot its wall to wall motor homes here, lol. They almost have to here though. 162,000 fans come to Bristol for this raising its population by 300% with only 7000 hotel rooms within a 100 mile radius. If they didn't camp or motor home it then it would be bad. Plus hotel raise rates to 200 to 400 a night 3 nights minimum for this race. Scalpers sell $85 tickets for $200.00 and thats for bad seats in the nose bleed section. I never could figure these people out. They did a survey down here and found the avg. Nascar attending the race makes over $75,000 a year. I guess at these prices, poor rednecks had to switch to drag racing, lol. My brother rented his house out for two days for $1100.00. Thinking about myself next year, lol.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well this guy owns the new company i contract too. his business is a lot bigger then my old company. about $1.5 mil gross a yr. lot of ppl rent their homes around Oakland Hills Country Club when the PGA shows up...but those are $1 million & up homes around there. they get $10K a week.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Just might be worth buying a fixer-upper and doing that. No big loss if they destroy it. Could make some good money, Ric.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i been wondering about upside myself. ya think maybe Will quit sending him pics in a summer dress & he just said heck with it? that fishin trip was for 5 days, 2 weeks ago. Will's around, lookin for his bottom bouncers again. he does ok on them, that is if he ever bought any of them...lol
Posted by Ric on :
Think I can find someone to trade cmkx for a fixer upper. Maybe I can talk UC into helping. He seemed to good at giving shares for trade to about everyone.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Columbo starting Chapter II now. And seems to be upsetting some people. Why would folks get upset about the presentation of facts. Isn't that what they have been wanting? Strange LOL
Posted by Marty on :
Ric, the best to you and your family....Better times ahead Posted by goldisgood on :
SETTLEMENT REACHED $$$$$$ ON THE WAY.......STAY TUNED
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Ric, I'm so sorry to hear about your wife. Go take care of your family.... we'll be here to hold the fort down. My thoughts are with you and yours....
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by goldisgood: SETTLEMENT REACHED $$$$$$ ON THE WAY.......STAY TUNED
Now cut that out...my ribs hurt when I laugh that much.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ed, didn't you see the $$$$$$$$$ signs in the post???? well there ya go those $$$$$$'s have now been delievered. now if you want real money try a differant stock.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by goldisgood: SETTLEMENT REACHED $$$$$$ ON THE WAY.......STAY TUNED
So if the money doesn't come then doesn't that mean we can sue you for making unfounded promises?????
Posted by Ric on :
billy9565 Diamondologist
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- imo, I think acca is pumping and willy is selling. I thought it was odd how willy started a rumor on monday, we had 2 bill in volume, then willy says that sterling sold all his shares. Why anyone would believe willy or acca is beyond me.
Posted by bill1352 on :
acca pumping????? he thinks????? now that takes some serious DD to come up with acca pumping.
Posted by bill1352 on :
& wasn't sterling at that meeting frizzy had with a small group of shareholders??? wasn't it posted that everyone that went to that meeting left knowing UC scammed them? or was at least quite sure they had been taken big time. of course sterling had enough shares that even at $40 per million he could have a good night out on the town getting drunk & trying to forget.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: & wasn't sterling at that meeting frizzy had with a small group of shareholders??? wasn't it posted that everyone that went to that meeting left knowing UC scammed them? or was at least quite sure they had been taken big time. of course sterling had enough shares that even at $40 per million he could have a good night out on the town getting drunk & trying to forget.
Nope Sterling wasn't there.
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX 623,391,828 @ $.0001
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ric, more prayers you and your wife & family's way from my family. Bring a big pillow (or borrow couple of theirs).
S5
Posted by Binky on :
Hi Ric Just writing to say we pray everything turns out O.K. for your wife and your family.
Binky
Posted by mizzou7 on :
God Bless Your Wife And Your Family Ric...
mizzou7
When I Whine
~~~~~~~
Today, upon a bus, I saw a girl with golden hair
I looked at her and sighed and wished I was as fair.
When suddenly she rose to leave,
I saw her hobble down the aisle.
She had one leg and used a crutch
But as she passed, she passed a smile.
Oh, God, forgive me when I whine
I have 2 legs, the world is mine.
~~~
I stopped to buy some candy
The lad who sold it had such charm
I talked with him a while, he seemed so very glad
If I were late, it'd do no harm.
And as I left, he said to me,
"I thank you, you've been so kind.
It's nice to talk with folks like you.
You see," he said, "I'm blind."
Oh, God, forgive me when I whine.
I have 2 eyes, the world is mine.
~~~
Later while walking down the street,
I saw a child with eyes of blue
He stood and watched the others play
He did not know what to do.
I stopped a moment and then I said,
"Why don't you join the others, dear?"
He looked ahead without a word.
And then I knew, he couldn't hear.
Oh, God, forgive me when I whine.
I have 2 ears, the world is mine.
~~~
With feet to take me where I'd go.
With eyes to see the sunset's glow.
With ears to hear what I would know.
Oh, God, forgive me when I whine.
I've been blessed indeed, The world is mine.
Sorrow looks back,
Worry looks around,
Faith looks up.
Posted by cobracobra on :
yeah ric the same from here... we differ on some things,,,but both the pumpers and bashers can agree to offer up prayers for your wife, wow its amazing how someone's hard time can bring even polar opposites together, I guess anything is possible.
I hope all works out for you guys, i know if my wife was very ill i wouldnt know what to do, she is the only thing that keeps me sane sometimes.
COBRA
Posted by stockster5 on :
with Ric's personal all encompassing crisis in his world, makes me focus more on mine, where we take people and things for granted and someones trials crystallizes the picture for us. Ric, if you typed about yourself for some stress release and maybe a little positive energy, picking a stock board was a good thing... where else can you get so many pumpers pulling for you..!! I know our wife's pps is going to rise.
regards S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
correction... I know your wife's pps is going to rise
Posted by legaleagle on :
WOW. Gone all day and still the same post from Friday afternoon?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Brokerages hit with DOJ Subpoenas confirmed.
Looks like it is finally starting.
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« JAGH Message list | Reply to msg. | Post new msg. « Older | Newer » By: 05repeat 27 Aug 2005, 10:04 AM EDT Msg. 71700 of 71709 Jump to msg. # The rumor of the Stock Loan Departments of 35 Firms being issued subpoena's is not a rumor, it is a fact. The subpoena's were issued by the DOJ and SEC. More will come of it as two members of the media that Den may believe are now working the story. I have a 100% confirm from one Institution that received a subpoena.
Posted by bill1352 on :
thats i post legal that i really hope is true. at least 1 that has a possibility of being true. but considering the source...hmmmm....lol. i'll bet if its not true yet with congress involved now it won't be long before some sort of action is taken. then its only a matter of yrs before any of those clowns in washington figure out what to do about it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Judy Cline reposted that on CMKX RB. Judy works with Dave Patch on Investigate the SEC. I doubt that she would repost unless she had some independent verification. And this ties in very well with the reported arrest of Gary Walters on Friday by the Las Vegas Homeland Security folks. Gary is the manager of BBX Equity, the funding company for the Barrington Foods to UCAD switch. Gary also is CEO of NanoSignal with John Edwards, Rupert Perrin and Mike King. I would say "hang on" for some very important developments.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Any chance we can get that scumbag Nite arrested?
Posted by legaleagle on :
I would say that is a likelihood.
Posted by Ric on :
I wouldn't trust anything that Investigate the SEC says. They stretch the truth quite often and twist facts to make their point. They tend to take useless facts and turn them into a major conspiracies. Sort of like CMKX longs.
As far as arrests are concerned, I will bet anyone that Nite will not be arrested. Fined probably but its like those that dump illegal waste. Its more profitable to dump it then the fines if they get caught.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Got an example, Ric?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Judy Cline just confirmed to all in Sterlings Paltalk, that the subpoenas are for real, and that a DOJ task force has been working on NS for about a year now.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
so does this mean we found diamonds
Posted by Ric on :
I don't see a archive on there site. I will say they aren't as bad as the website Faulkingtruth but still. You know whats funny though is that they list this as a rumor on there website but will come into a CMKX chat room and say it as fact. And not even the author of it, an assistant. Sounds like my sisters hairdressers cousins butcher said it was so.
I know that any website that monitors and chats on CMKX must be legit, lol. Especially Sterlings Paltalk. I guess it could be worse and she could be a regular on Willy's chat.
Posted by legaleagle on :
They are leaving it as a rumor until two reporters have written their stories. They friends in the media and won't "scoop" them on a website.
Being one of the top opponents to NS in the country, they won't even post a "rumor" until they have confirmed it, imo.
Posted by Ric on :
you have a pm
Posted by bill1352 on :
when i see it on CBSMarketwatch i'll believe it, or in any of the 3 or 4 real market news emails i get. until then its just another cmkx cult member deparately trying to find a reason to think cmkx has hope. by the way aren't we getting close to the cmkx response date? or is that the end of next month?
Posted by tic_toc on :
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Posted by Highwaychild on :
NSDM is tring to creep up a little bit, I smell bacon! Not much from USCA yet.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
BACON! bacon, bacon, bacon.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: when i see it on CBSMarketwatch i'll believe it, or in any of the 3 or 4 real market news emails i get. until then its just another cmkx cult member deparately trying to find a reason to think cmkx has hope. by the way aren't we getting close to the cmkx response date? or is that the end of next month?
Nobody seems to give a crap about CMKX anymore. I think it is finally dying. It's been dead for a year, but they are just realizing it.....LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
highway...you'd think the cmkx cult would be buying NSDM by the bunchs. i mean that pr is proof CMKX is legit & has huge value. just because CMKX isn't mentioned in the pr doesn't mean they won't get most of the revenue or that UC wasn't the mastermind behind the deal. i mean its not like you can't win the lotto just because you never bought a ticket.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
LOL, you'd think. I thought it was about to happen.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Somebody say we own 80% of NSDM???
Posted by Ric on :
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members,
I planned on an update last Friday, but I chose to wait until today in light of the rumors regarding the Monday windfall everyone would receive. I had no knowledge from the company of anything occurring by way of any settlement discussions or merger actions, but I thought it best to allow Monday to pass as an accommodation to those that believed the unfounded rumors.
I have heard that Andy Hill has made some comments that the company would release some evaluations in five or six weeks. My last discussions with Mr. Stoecklein indicated the company was agreeable to releasing an 8k with some evaluation information but we did not agree on any specific timetable. I have been told that Urban is out of the country. I have no confirmation of this.
As many of you know by now in 2004, the company issued over 600 billion shares of stock. If we follow the last tick daily price per share, the stock began at .0001, went to .0008 and back down to .0001 by the end of the year. If the average stock price was .0003, 180 million dollars worth of stock went through the hands of various third parties. I believe the actual stock sales were twice that amount.
Whatever the reason was for such dilution, it was wrong and illegal. Your stock price today is burdened with such a huge amount of stock, you are entitled to have some answers to your concerns.
Under recent state and federal legislation, the legal system does not give you as a shareholder an easy route through the courts to go after those who have profited illegally from their deeds. Your rights are "derivative" of the company's rights to go after the bad guys. The legal term describing your rights is a "shareholder derivative rights" cause of action. As a shareholder, you must first make a demand on the company to assert any claims the company has against the bad guys. If the company chooses not to assert their rights against the bad guys, for whatever reason, then you can proceed. I will be issuing on your behalf by Thursday afternoon or Friday, a demand letter to Mr. Stoecklein demanding that action be taken against certain individuals that have been parties to the dilution of this company. I will name specifically certain individuals and request that action of specific types be taken against them. There will be a stated time for the company to take action. When that time passes, and no action occurs, you will have the right as shareholders to assert your rights in your own lawsuit. I will be out of town tomorrow and will return on Thursday about mid day. Thus my comment on when this will occur.
In a separate letter, I will be asking the company to convene an annual shareholders meeting where you can come and ask questions of your CEO or any of its officers and directors. This company has never had one (unless you call the shareholders party last year-an annual shareholders meeting), and I think you should be allowed such a meeting. I hope to speak with Mr. Stoecklein before then to get some parameters on such a meeting.
Finally, I have a rough draft prepared in my lawsuit against the SEC for their failure to provide to me the information I requested several months ago. Our request was denied and we filed an appeal of such request. To date I have had no response to our appeal and we have thus exhausted our administrative remedies. This is a prerequisite before a lawsuit can be filed. This lawsuit will be filed on Friday.
I will post this lawsuit and the letters mentioned above once I have completed them.
Onward,
Bill Frizzell
Posted by bill1352 on :
"Whatever the reason was for such dilution, it was wrong and illegal. Your stock price today is burdened with such a huge amount of stock, you are entitled to have some answers to your concerns."
779 billion shares were issued, 75 billion are supposed to be back in the company books. to issue 1 share UC had to sign off on its issue. he is the board or was the board when issued. if he did not sign off on the issue of those shares they are all illegal & the TA is responsible legally for issuing false or illegal shares.
"I will be issuing on your behalf by Thursday afternoon or Friday, a demand letter to Mr. Stoecklein demanding that action be taken against certain individuals that have been parties to the dilution of this company. I will name specifically certain individuals and request that action of specific types be taken against them."
UC must be part of that list. if he is not part of that list any action will be thrown out of any court. this entire mess is on his head period. others may be involved & most likely are involved both inside & outside the company but nothing done could have been done without UC's ok. if shares were issued without UC's ok they are no differant then naked shares, they are not real. they are counterfeit shares. thus every cult member holding shares has no legal claim against CMKX. they do not own shares of anything. the company agreed they were legal shares when they announced the o/s thus UC is responsible for the dilution.
Posted by Ric on :
Posted by: Pedro2004 In reply to: None Date:8/30/2005 9:00:15 PM Post #of 183302
~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ 598,195,057,995
Posted by bill1352 on :
those dates start in september & run thru Otc. the o/s was raised to 800 billion in august from 500 billion. that totals almost 600 billion or if added to the 500 billion o/s 1.1 trillion. is what pedro posted issued shares from a master list? Koch is listed as owner of a lot of claims supposedly held by CMKX same with Kinney i think. computer clearing is a middleman company between issuers & mm's but why would so many shares be issued to ameritrade. share owners getting certs might be part of the answer but they sure got a lot of shares. & most are the same number of shares so it sure isn't shareholders getting certs.
[ August 30, 2005, 22:07: Message edited by: bill1352 ]
Posted by Ric on :
Well electronic shares actually hold certs too. Certs are issued for all the o/s its just that either the broker or cede&co hold the certs for the electronic shareholders.
Posted by Ric on :
I think Petro and maybe Frizzle is looking at this wrong. I bet this is issued and surrendered reissued shares. Because Master shareholders list added up.
Posted by bill1352 on :
pedro added this...notice the dates..........
08/02/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces Dividend of Juina Mining Shares
08/05/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Converges on Saskatchewan Drill Target
08/11/04 ~~~ CMKXTREME Inc. Offers Customized VISA Pre-Paid Stored Value Card to Their Race Fan Affinity Group and CMKX Diamonds Inc. Shareholders
09/02/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces $10,000,000 Joint Venture Agreement
09/13/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces 2nd Payment of $2,500,000 from St. George Metals, Inc.
09/13/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds Inc. Announces Saskatchewan Drill Target Update
09/24/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds Announces Dividend Stock Will Be Paid on Oct. 6, 2004
10/08/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Joint Venture on Uranium Claims
10/15/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds Inc. CEO Interview with Green Barron for Webcast
10/16/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Purchase/Dividend of Juina Mining Shares
10/19/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces the Success of Its Integrated Business Plan Goes Into Effect in Ecuador
10/19/04 ~~~ CORRECTING and REPLACING CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces the Success of Its Integrated Business Plan Goes Into Effect in Ecuador
10/27/04 ~~~ CMKM Diamonds Inc. and Minera Nevada S.A. Announce First Ore Production and Shipment
Posted by bill1352 on :
then it might be ameritrade had a clue something was wrong & got certs on all cede shares it held on their own. look at the dates of the prs & the dates shares were issued. sure seem to match. also thats issued but has nothing about surrendered. reality is every shares on the list could arguably still be held by the person they were issued to.
Posted by bill1352 on :
who got what.......
102,133,037,995 Ameritrade, Inc. 96,200,000,000 Computer Clearing Services, Inc. 77,700,000,000 Nevada Minerals 30,000,000,000 Dave Gutka 25,200,000,000 Viacom Holding, Inc. 22,000,000,000 Grant Hodgins 20,000,000,000 Peter Dunn 16,000,000,000 Vince Mazzei 15,000,000,000 Leslie Jones 15,000,000,000 Bill Dwyer 12,200,000,000 ETON Peoperties Corp. 10,000,000,000 PTI Trust 10,000,000,000 Business Works, Inc. 9,000,000,000 GM Steel Trust 8,000,000,000 Alberta Resources Consortium 8,000,000,000 Minerals West Associates 8,000,000,000 Emerson Koch 7,600,000,000 Marty Johnson 6,000,000,000 Max Casavant 6,000,000,000 Dale Casavant 5,482,000,000 James Kinney 5,000,000,000 Ginger Guiterrez 5,000,000,000 Federal One Investments 4,600,000,000 Tundro Trust 4,000,000,000 Saskatchewan Minerals Development 4,000,000,000 Mid America Capital Corp 4,000,000,000 Karen Koch 4,000,000,000 Jeannie Kinney 4,000,000,000 British Columbian Mining Syndicate 4,000,000,000 Albert Finch & Associates 4,000,000,000 Feasibility Mining Services 4,000,000,000 Doyle Trust 4,000,000,000 Docket Reporting Services 3,200,000,000 Cougar Resources 3,000,000,000 Patruum Services SA 2,000,000,000 Glen Emmons 1,600,000,000 Wallace Hiebelhaus 1,600,000,000 1018609 Alberta Ltd. 1,500,000,000 Rick Walker 1,500,000,000 North American Clearing 1,500,000,000 Kart Trust 1,000,000,000 Andy Petryshen 1,000,000,000 Corrine Ward 1,000,000,000 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd. 1,000,000,000 Arnold Gutka 800,000,000 Paul G 800,000,000 Dan Koch 750,000,000 MCM Trust 750,000,000 JT Trust 610,020,000 Penson Financial Services Canada, Inc. 600,000,000 Ron Bowditch 600,000,000 Joe Knoke 500,000,000 Research Capital Corp 500,000,000 R D Solutions 500,000,000 Oscar B 500,000,000 ABDU Trust 500,000,000 Darren Thul 500,000,000 Jim Oleksyn 450,000,000 Dale Ksyniuk 400,000,000 Barbara Winchar 300,000,000 Vern Armitage 300,000,000 Part Time Management 300,000,000 Nancy P 300,000,000 Mike W 300,000,000 Graeme Langman 300,000,000 Bob Saunders 250,000,000 Peter Koch 250,000,000 Moncef Borni 250,000,000 John Koch 250,000,000 Jim Beattie 240,000,000 Shelby Abrymyk 225,000,000 Gregory C 225,000,000 Herb W 220,000,000 Bernard Georget 200,000,000 Steven Bubalo 200,000,000 Cam Cartier 200,000,000 Connie Cohen 200,000,000 Ronald Boychuk 200,000,000 Cole Koch 200,000,000 Mike Coutuer 200,000,000 John Dunn 200,000,000 Mark Halyk 200,000,000 Jack Barry 200,000,000 Kara Koch 200,000,000 Nadine Koch 200,000,000 Group II AUD Rec. 200,000,000 Grant Woodley 150,000,000 Shamsunder G 150,000,000 Dave Sojgren 150,000,000 Arnie Howardson 150,000,000 Peter E Koch 140,000,000 Francis Mazzei 140,000,000 Myron Jacobsen 140,000,000 Jim Ferchuk 140,000,000 Del Z 125,000,000 Lawrence Henderson 125,000,000 Marcell Georget 100,000,000 Walter Botkin 100,000,000 Barry Pearson 100,000,000 Randy Lucas 100,000,000 Joe Farkas 100,000,000 Diane Okraincee 100,000,000 Linda Schepman 100,000,000 Jim Dunn 100,000,000 Nathan Heale 100,000,000 Armen Nikogisian 100,000,000 Gordon Balon 100,000,000 Bill Walters 100,000,000 Tony Bartone 100,000,000 Al Koch 100,000,000 Jim York 100,000,000 Albert Casavant 100,000,000 Alma P 100,000,000 Dave Jacobsen
Posted by Ric on :
But then to it doesn't show the shares they surrendered. So they may be issued shares but lets say that Alma P was issued 100,000,000 and surrendered the shares and Dave Jacobsen was issued the 100 mill shares. The list has a lot of holes to it on why and how???????????? Then too Nevada Minerals did surrender 75 billion shares shortly after they were issued to them.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well we do know a bunch were surrended but it would be nice to see what of those shares are still left out. also it is possible not all of the 500 billion a/s was issued before september but with the numbers on that list only about 179 billion could have been issued before september. the o/s was 779 billion. that list has close to 600 billion minus the 75 from nevada minerals. i dont remember but it seems there were more then 175 billion issued on the master list before september. a cert surrendered does not mean it goes back to the company to be re-issued. its possible but unlikely. that many shares put back into the company treasury would have been a huge pr.
Posted by Ric on :
I figured it out. If you go to the past Master Shareholders list and compare, all he did was put these in order of certs issued. If you compare cert numbers you will find that these where issued certs and surrendered. They may already had the shares and requested certs or as in Ameritrades case they issued certs and surrendered and issued new certs and so on. Most where sold the same day issued.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Okay... when you say 'surrendered' you mean sold on the market? Surrender seems to have a get nothing feel to it.
thanks S5
Posted by Ric on :
Well surrendered is what you do when you turn in your certs. So when you sell your shares then whoever holds the certs, you or the broker, then the certs are surrendered. When someone buys your shares then a cert is reissued to the new holder with a new cert number. So you buy and sell the shares, the certs are issued and surrendered. It is just the TA terms.
Posted by Marty on :
sorry to intervene, but it just amazes me that ANY company, can issue this many shares. There should be some type of regulation to limit the amount of shares a company may issue, based on some principle. (Perhaps a business plan/model, including market projections, would help with "the number of shares allowed to issue". Re-evaluation of said plans, on say a yearly basis, may limit the corruption possibilities. This should also, be a MANDATORY public publication). Of course, it would help the investor make a more informative decision on the investment, rather than following a pipe dream. It would seem there is a major flaw in the system here...and then some.....including R/S's....the SEC really should be putting a cap on this type of non-sense....JMO....carry on....
Posted by Ric on :
Marty, this room is like a roast. Everyone is welcome as long as you can trash the host, lol.
Hey thats the next threads title. CMKX Roast. They always roast has beens. lol
Posted by Marty on :
LOL....in that case, let's roast Pam Anderson again..."She fu**** more musicians than Napster!" Ohh, and CMKX "fu**** more shareholders than Enron". Ooops... Have fun!
Posted by Ric on :
I seen that roast. I thought the comments about Courtney Love was good though. But the Napster comment was gold, lol. It was hard to tell who they were roasting sometimes, Pam or Courtney.
Posted by Marty on :
I think Courtney was "roasted", and Pam, was being "Roasted"....LOL.....Courtney sentenced to rehab, shortly thereafter....LOL...Can't she just get addicted to chocolate or some other food, like other women/men? LOL....Now back to your regularly scheduled program, "Got CMKX?" NOT!!!
Posted by Ric on :
Here is the detailed master shareholders list from first issued share to 1/25/2005. Shares issued and surrendered from share one till share 703 billion. Over one thousand pages, lol.
It is amazing how ron casavant sells his shares and as soon as he does he is reissued more share. Also koch. Must be nice.
Posted by Ric on :
Can all these shares being issued to people in Canada be why Sask. halted CMKX??
Jeff Arend got 100 million shares. Must be nice.
Posted by Ric on :
Jeff Arend sold 100 million shares a month later when the pps went up. Must be nice.
Posted by Ric on :
Page 362, Hal Engel recieved 3 million shares to pump. Thats Willy Wizard's real name. Alone with Sterling. Of course sterlings wife and father got shares too. UC must have thought Sterling was a better pumper.
Posted by Ric on :
What also amazes me is Cede&co's transactions. They usually hold part of the float and don't change certs that often because they have a seller for each buyer. But every now and again they balance their books by either surrendering certs or getting issued cert.
What surprises me is all the talk of NSS yet the transactions just don't add up if the DTCC is shorting this to death as some state.
Posted by Ric on :
I don't know who should go to jail first in this. People like Jay and Acca or UC. Close call, just hope all of them meet bubba up close and personal in jail. So they can get what they did to so many.
gdh God of Diamonds
Re: The jay_abode Show (FWIW) « Reply #3 on Today at 2:30am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The other week, jay said "Bingo" to a theory that the high price of oil is directly linked to the Saudi's needing money to cover their short in CMKX.
So every time I fill my tank, it's like I'm issuing myself a dividend.
Jay is entertaining, but that's about it.
Posted by bill1352 on :
one post over there said UC had to be good at heart...he name the smeaton pipe after his wife was the proof given.
also new certs would be re-issued after surrender only if those shares were restricted. if unrestricted then they would be surrendered once sold & thats it. they just become part of the float. the float from the old master list totaled about 650 billion. the thing i'm interested in is how many were issued before this lists beginning date. august had the a/s increase to 800 billion but that was only a 300 billion increase. also the first master list had shares being issued right into 2005. the divy's would have to be issued to all shares in the float or at least held in cede & co. also melvin was screaming the o/s was not 400 billion before august so maybe UC hadn't issued more then the a/s before the increase & the numbers matched correctly on the divys. the last GEMM divy showed up in December but the second GEMM never showed up. but the own by date was a few months before that thus only those shares got the divys. what i'm trying to say is it looks as if UC had to cover his azz because he issued more then the a/s allowed.
Posted by Ric on :
Posted by: fung_derf In reply to: chisox pat who wrote msg# 183387 Date:8/31/2005 2:57:21 PM Post #of 183389
Amazing. I was reading the board this morning. Still so many proclaiming how they've got shorty right where they want him, and glad they hadn't sold a share. If these people were lab rats, all the electrical shock in the world couldn't get them through the maze.
Posted by legaleagle on :
From PB 32
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you say you have the evidence of Urban's bad faith with the shareholders? What you have is the "one-sided" stack of papers distributed by the SEC in their investigation of CMKX. Do they look bad for Urban and company? You bet, they were gathered by a government organization bent on accumulating and placing the worst light possible on a company. That's their job. Stoecklein's job is/was to show the other side, and for whatever reason, he chose not to. And I suspect that his reasons were proper and judicious.
But with that said, let me present a different picture than the one being presented here by some who have seen those documents. My background is a retired White Collar Crime Detective in a major midwestern city police department. During that time, I had occasion many times to investigate organized criminal corporate crime. So my opinion here is based on some experience, but it is opinion only.
I received a tip last year that the operations of CMKX were a "sting" operation by the Department of Justice, springing from the arrest, conviction and turning of states evidence by Shawn Hackman. I have been looking and researching from that point of view ever since, and have seen nothing to dissuade or discourage that point of view. Quite the contrary, I have seen mounting evidence that tends to support it.
So just for the sake of argument, let me present a possible scenario.
Shawn Hackman is picked up by the DOJ for his activities in a major criminal enterprise.
Hackman flips on everyone he has done business with.
Ed Dhonau's name comes up from corporate activity he shared with Hackman.
Dhonau is called in by DOJ and presented with facts and evidence against him, and given an opportunity to work with the Feds to get to their real target.
Dhonau calls his long time attorney, Roger Glenn, to broker the deal.
Roger involves himself and the DOJ wants to use CMKX as their vehicle for additional sting operations.
UC is called upon to act as the "principal" of the sting, along with Dhonau, and begins "maneuvering" the company in the directions required by the DOJ to gather the necessary information on the "target".
At this point, Urban would have been required to do any number of things that might appear "shady" or criminal in order to accomplish investigative goals. Yes, monies would have changed hands, documents would have been created, shares would have been distributed questionably. In summary, he would have followed the instructions of the DOJ to remain actively complicit in the operations of the "target" until they had gathered enough evidence to spring the trap. I think that was substantially completed several months ago. But DOJ cases often extend out into other operations of their targets, and it is a slow, belabored operation to gather all of the necessary evidence for proper presentation to a special Grand Jury for indictments, frequently encompassing hundreds of counts of criminal activity.
So what happens to the company and the co-operating "principal"? The company goes on with business. In this case, they go on accumulating claims, drilling holes, sampling cores, etc.; while the DOJ goes on about it's prosecution efforts. And the principal goes on acting out his role as best he can until the sting is totally revealed. That most definitely includes PUBLIC SILENCE about anything which might reveal the sting. It includes going on with the "appearance" of being complicit with the target. It includes appearing to be a target of investigation himself, until the sting is complete.
Is Urban capable of carrying out all of this himself? Is he capable of keeping the sting confidential under the scrutiny of partners, thousand of shareholders and other government agencies? Is he capable of keeping the company together and functional under intense public scrutiny of his operations? No, probably not.
In comes Maheu, courtesy of the DOJ. (Of course he has been quietly involved since 03 and the Crystallix deals) Capable of holding together a corporation in troubled times. Capable of "conditioning atmospheres". Capable of brokering deals with Government and Industry. Capable of maintaining secrecy. Capable of assisting in prosecutions. Capable of working with intelligence agencies who may be examining financial terrorism emanating from the hedge funds. Capable of turning back threats from organized crime figures and cartels. How else would a "penny pink scam" manage to involve a man of Maheu's stature and experience except through high level, government intervention?
So is this what happened? I don't know for sure, it's only an opinion. But an opinion that is as valid as anything that has been thrown out here in recent weeks. I know this though, if you apply this scenario, many questionable and troubling occurences begin to make a lot more sense.
All in my opinion of course.
Posted by Ric on :
The government does a sting that effects 50K shareholders. It really is getting so sad its funny or is that so funny its sad.
The truth is so obvious its silly but no one want to hear it. Someone even said it on PB32 and they locked the thread. No way UC is involved even though everything points to him. Oh right we haven't heard the whole story because he took the fifth. You know I like a lot of these people but they will get what they deserve because the facts are there in front of them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Did they worry about how many people would be hurt by the Enron investigation?
The investiators job is to get the "bad guys" and protect the millions who may later be hurt if they don't.
That was a weak argument at 32 as well.
Posted by Ric on :
Its not a weak argument. It is easy to see who is at fault if you just look.
Posted by Ric on :
Enron wasn't a sting. It was a company that messed over its shareholders just like CMKX. The only difference is CMKX targeted the poor, low middle class, disabled, retired and young new investors that didn't know better.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It would seem that if the DOJ involved themselves in CMKX operations after Shawn Hackman turned states evidence (Agreement signed Fed 04) that it may have been necessary to make another huge share authorization to trace the flow and money, in order to identify the culprits: players, hedge funds, Market Makers; and to "follow the money" through its many mazes.
Shortly (about 3 months) after Hackman turned "states", Urban reversed the Mirador (Hackman generated company) merger. Immediately announced Roger Glenn involvement. Started operation "dividend". And then increased the AS after the August "Sask Meeting". It all seems to fit. « Last Edit: Today at 4:02pm by noahltl »
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Enron wasn't a sting. It was a company that messed over its shareholders just like CMKX. The only difference is CMKX targeted the poor, low middle class, disabled, retired and young new investors that didn't know better.
An investigation is an investigation whether sting or not. The point being that they didn't consider the shareholders in their actions.
Posted by Ric on :
This reminds me of the defense for the Scott Peterson case. No body seen him do it and no one seen him dump the body. So he must be innocent. It doesn't matter that he was at the crime scene and fishing at the area she was dumped. It was just a coincidence thats all.
It doesn't matter that it is UC that can only approve of shares being issued, that he stated in a 8-K that the O/S was correct, That he had the check book, and he lost any evidence that may be incriminating. Oh well, he has to be innocent because he is a nice guy and wouldn't do that. I think that was Scott's defense too.
Posted by Ric on :
You don't become a great con man by being obvious. They seems prefect actually. They seem like sure best friend and people usually always say after they were conned that they find it hard to believe that this person did that. Thats how they get you. If you thought they were a crook they could never pull off the scam.
Same with cult leaders. They make you want to believe them. They brainwash you into thinking that they can never do you harm. They make themselves better then everyone else and make you want to be more like them. If they didn't have that charm and believability then they could never get you in.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"An investigation is an investigation whether sting or not. The point being that they didn't consider the shareholders in their actions. "
did they consider shareholders???how???tell enron to go make the money they said they made so that the stock wouldn't tank? once a crook steals your money there is nothing the goverment can do to get it back. you think maybe the goverment should have let Enron keep going so the shareholders didn't get hurt? Legal that has to be the most foolish comparision you've come up with yet...lol you have better brains then that. if CMKX is a sting they purposely hurt 50,000 shareholders. as frizzy said the stock is burdened by the o/s...well burdened is a polite term, wiped out is a more accurate term. no 20 companies on this earth could give value to a 703 billion o/s. the demand would never out weight the supply. as soon as it went up the ppl would sell & supply would be replaced. and if cmkx was a sting then UC would have had to be crooked to start with or the goverment would have had no leverage to get him to agree. the CEO of a company is not going to tank a serious company with great value just because the DOJ says we need a scam company to catch crooks. the DOJ would have created a company to play the sting. a more likely senario is hackman blew the whistle on UC & pals & they were to greedy to stop. the DOJ sat back & watched for a few months collecting evidence & then sent the SEC in to shut it down, step 1. after thats done the criminal cases will start. hackman probably didn't throw CMKX to the wolves but 1 of its buddies & the trail has lead to cmkx, sggm & usca. GEMM is probably in its sites also along with a few others. naked shorting is a differant problem, case & group of investigators.
Posted by Ric on :
I was reading on another board and they said something I think will probably happen. Once Frizzell names UC as one of the bad guys that the cult will start claiming Frizzell was a NSS plant all alone. lol
Posted by ed19363 on :
I hope somebody makes a movie out of all this. But then, maybe it would be too unbelievable. And the casting would be a nightmare.
Posted by bill1352 on :
if he names UC... i saw a lot of ppl thinking he might & they didn't like it. 1 was going to call him today just to scream about even implying UC did anything wrong. not 1 of these ppl understand not 1 share gets in the o/s without UC's signature & no court anywhere will even look at a case about this without UC at the top of the defendants list.
Posted by Ric on :
By: zahnj 31 Aug 2005, 01:48 PM EDT Msg. 254552 of 254552 (This msg. is a reply to 254519 by elvis-is-here.) Jump to msg. #
Elvis Drymouth said that the paperwork that Frizzell shared with that group in Texas showed that at one point Urban was giving shares to people in Canada. I don't know if these were gifts or in payment for services. When the people sold the shares the deal was they had to kick back some money to Urban.
Drymouth also said that Urban talks frequesntly to friends about his belief that he may go to jail for something.
And before you all label me as a basher check my previous posts and talk to others who were in PT last night.
Drymouth also said he's not selling any shares, believes we have valuation and there are ways we can make a profit with cmkx.
Posted by bill1352 on :
paperwork???? the SEC pointed it out in court, pedro proved it with the master list. anyone with 1/2 a clue knows a taffy company should not be getting shares from a mining company, not a few hundred million at least. as for UC in jail...ya think those 2 gem buys were for show??? easy merchandize to swap for cash at any point in the future by anyone. no ownership papers needed & it takes up a small space. the perfect buy for a com man figuring on jail time for white collar crime. he11 half these crooks are getting 5 to 10 in minimum security. 60 million or so in the bank hidden in a safety box or 2 in untracable gems??? 6 to 12 million per yr in jail? at some work farm? sign me up. sure beats working for a living.
Posted by Ric on :
Really, for 60 million dollars I will sit in a cell few a few years trying to figure out what my interest is after I get out.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Half way down page two. Where did everyone go?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Told ya nobody gives a flying werh for this POS anymore. If it doesnt show up in the checking account, it's worthless, and talking about it doesnt help. ROFLROFLROFL
Posted by Ric on :
Your right ed. If it wasn't for the people in here and boredom I think it would have been completely gone by now. And without Will and Up pizzing vinegar lately its getting real dull in here. Everyone that can see logic knows that this is dead. It took years for David Koresh survivors to see the light.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i think we need to get wallace's wife to cut him off again. he normally gets pissed off & start some chit when that happens....lol
Posted by Ric on :
rofl
Posted by Ric on :
By the way wife got out of hospital, doing better. Starting to bitch so that means shes feeling better, lol.
Posted by BuyTex on :
that's good news, Ric. best wishes...
Posted by Ric on :
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i think we need to get wallace's wife to cut him off again. he normally gets pissed off & start some chit when that happens....lol
Quiet down, you trouble maker!
Ric,
So very pleased your wife is better now. That must be one hell of a frightening time for you and the family. Give her a hug from all of us and a great big kiss from me....slobber and all.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Great, now the next time he slaps one on her, he'll think of you.LOL Talk about a buzzkill!
ric, 2 b p.c., G b 2 u & yours.
Posted by bill1352 on :
glad to hear that Ric...i'm sure you gave her a long list of things to bi*ch about while she was away. ought to keep her busy for a few days...lol
Posted by Ric on :
I really can't figure it out. How a CEO can lie and still have a following. Make promises then not fulfill them yet some still believe in them and the stock. I know most think that I am speaking about is CMKX and it could sound like it but I was just reading the ICAN thread.
I mean, known paid pumpers start pumping the stock. They are getting ready to buy a property and tell the shareholders that they will be moving assets to a OTCBB and giving them shares as divy's (sorta sounds like CIM, lol) and the stock skyrockets. They keep pumping then things change and they are going private, then all of a sudden the so called BOD's say well it didn't work out so we aren't going private and not transferring to a otcbb.
The stock plummets then all of a sudden after the claims of stock buyback the o/s has magically increased by a major amount. Yet the longs say no this wasn't a pump and dump. The CEO wouldn't lie to us. Yet there stocks PPS is worthless now and they are claiming NSS and great things are in the works. Did Ed from ICAN get lessons from UC? rofl
I am sure that I wasn't talking about CMKX, lol.
Posted by Ric on :
Heres that shareholders master list in excel format if anyone wants to download it.
ya ric but only UC had the balls to take the o/s to 703.5 billion...lol
by the way isn't frizzy supposed to post his bad guy list today? & since all this is in vegas are there odds on UC's name being on the list? i'm sure if this was in London the oddsmakers would have a line on it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
If you notice, Frizzell's last update announces he will be asking Stoecklein to sue the "bad guys" who diluted the stock. Will UC's name be on it?
Wouldn't make much sense when the update also calls for shareholder meetings with UC for corp updates.
Posted by bill1352 on :
then explain how the stock was diluted legal...only UC can sign the issue paperwork, nobody else can sign off on issuing shares. if his name isnt on the top of the list no court will even look at any lawsuit.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Wouldn't make much sense when the update also calls for shareholder meetings with UC for corp updates."
Sure, legal, Urban Casavant did everything else without the benefit of any shareholers' meeting. Guess he's going to start being up front now, huh. BS! Sure, when hell freezes over. I don't see how he could have loused up CMKX any more than he has.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Great, now the next time he slaps one on her, he'll think of you.LOL Talk about a buzzkill!
ric, 2 b p.c., G b 2 u & yours.
Hwy,
You have no idea how handsome I am with my pure white hair, wrinkles, onion skin, black/blue bruses that old folks get, vericose veins and oxygen tubes around both ears and up into my nose. However, with all that attractiveness, she just MIGHT get "buzzkill" from my week old whiskers. LOL At least the thought was there, my friend.
Oh, forgot the steel blue eyes and succulent lips.
Posted by joe_schmoe on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: that's good news, Ric. best wishes...
Umm Buytex can you tell me why people are still buying this company? Don't they see an uptick will never ever happen? Don't they notice the market cap is like 100 secillion dollars?
Posted by joe_schmoe on :
I'm sorry but since i turned over a new leaf I am trying to understand the concept of DD in contrast to share structure of a stock and what really allows it to move...
Posted by BuyTex on :
mo, I don't usually post on this one. They have their own deal; I was merely sending respects to a trader I respect...
If you're turning a leaf, why post on QBID that you're new to investing?
I'll look for your answer on YOUR new THREAD--not here...If you post again here, no matter what you post, I will not answer. Let them have their thread...
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: then explain how the stock was diluted legal...only UC can sign the issue paperwork, nobody else can sign off on issuing shares. if his name isnt on the top of the list no court will even look at any lawsuit.
The certs are presigned and anyone with access could get them out into the market. And it's pretty certain "someone" did.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Hwy,
You have no idea how handsome I am with my pure white hair, wrinkles, onion skin, black/blue bruses that old folks get, vericose veins and oxygen tubes around both ears and up into my nose. However, with all that attractiveness, she just MIGHT get "buzzkill" from my week old whiskers. LOL At least the thought was there, my friend.
Oh, forgot the steel blue eyes and succulent lips.
That's about how I had you pegged Wallace.
Posted by Ric on :
At least I did chuckle out loud over that. roflmao
Posted by will on :
Ric, you just couldn't leave well enough alone. We went a month without hearing from Upchuck boy, and you had to raise the dead telling us how much you missed him.
...and Wallace, jesus man! Good thing you have steel blue eyes, and we won't even start on those succulent lips, I'll forget I saw that. I will send the Mrs. a sympathy card for even having to look at you on a daily basis, poor dear.
Posted by Upside on :
You're still here Will? Damn, I thought you were gone. I was just biding my time figuring every day I didn't see a post from you was further confirmation of your demise.
Posted by will on :
Well, well, well, my dear friend Upchuck, the Wisconsin pig farmer. You know pal, when the wind comes out the North I think I can smell you down here. I knew you weren't dead or dying because your filthy scent was wafting in the air. Everyone thought a muskie bit your sack off while you were on your BIGSHOT annual Canadian fishing trip with your drunken buddies. What did you catch, bluegills? Sorta like your 4th of July, thousands of dollars for 5 minutes of fireworks. LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Didn't get anything bitten off but I did get hit in the pouch with a northerns tail fin. Pretty good size fish and our guide had me hold it up for a picture. The thing started flapping around and his tail fin nailed me right in the bag. Took me down to my knees.
Posted by will on :
Fireworks $1000.00 Fishing trip $1000.00 (and a sore sack) Romantic evening in front of the fireplace with the dog $1000.00, for a new rug Photos of a Pet lover.......PRICELESS !!!
Posted by Upside on :
My problems are your fun huh? Nice guy. I can see why I never really liked you. The fishing trip was well worth the money, the fireworks and the burned carpeting is another story.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Upside "That's about how I had you pegged Wallace." _ Funny, I kind of had him pegged as a finely trained grizzly bear that escaped from the Pilly zoo. Overtook a innocent bystander laptop and been pounding keys with his big ole claws ever since.lol
By the way Up, what you think about Da Bears chances of a win over the Packers this season?
Got to go my Broncos on the NFL channel, YES! Oh, and Will, 2funny!
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Highwaychild:
quote:By the way Up, what you think about Da Bears chances of a win over the Packers this season?
I think the chance of a win over the Packers by anyone is pretty good this year although I just read that Sports Illustrated picked the Bears to go 3 - 13 this year. That will be sweet as long as 2 of the 3 don't come from the Packers.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: then explain how the stock was diluted legal...only UC can sign the issue paperwork, nobody else can sign off on issuing shares. if his name isnt on the top of the list no court will even look at any lawsuit.
The certs are presigned and anyone with access could get them out into the market. And it's pretty certain "someone" did.
legal, if that's the case, it's another indication of UC's incompetence.
Posted by Ric on :
Now the fun has started. It was getting so dam boring in here, lol.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will said: "Sorta like your 4th of July, thousands of dollars for 5 minutes of fireworks. LOL"
I doubt if Up lasted more than a couple of seconds with that Canadian ho. She probably had him spinning on top of her. Get it? "spinning"
PS: I guess that's what will meant about spending 1000s of $$$$ for fireworks.
Posted by Upside on :
Yeah Ric, it's a lot of fun having Will remember and dredge up every mistake I've made in the past year or so.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Welcome back, my friend.
Posted by Ric on :
lol, sorry
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:Welcome back, my friend.
That's certainly not directed at me is it? Friend? I'm honored.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
No, I was talking about will!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LOL, I really did mean you, Up.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:No, I was talking about will!
Dang, that's what I thought. With me it would be fencesitter or something like that.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LOL, I really did mean you, Up.
Posted by Upside on :
So, I haven't followed CMKX in a while, how's the stock play of a lifetime doing these days?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:LOL, I really did mean you, Up.
Thanks Wallace.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Just great. Legal is still pumping the sh it out of it and bringing up other outrageous posts. He does seem to have toned himself down a bit though. Probably really thinks CMKX and UC are both a POS. Ed's still crying and threatening to post no longer. Will has been fine tuning his eloquence. Bill1352 gets furious over some of the pro posts....with good reason. And, I've been telling them "I told you so!".
Same old stuff. Only new news is that I heard our Pres. bought some CMKX to bring to New Orleans and pass out to the needy.
Forgot this: It was meant for toilet paper. I suppose UC had it already printed up on toilet paper and signed it. Made it much easier to get out to the market.
Posted by Upside on :
Same old stuff then. No revocation yet, no multi billion dollar settlement yet?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Only new news is that I heard our Pres. bought some CMKX to bring to New Orleans and pass out to the needy.
I know they have some pretty desperate needs down there but I didn't know that toilet paper was one of them.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
All kidding aside, I am sure it is one of them. I feel so badly for those people.
Posted by Upside on :
Yeah, that's a pretty ugly situation that's not going to be resolved anytime soon.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Time for me to hit the sack. Good night.
Posted by Ric on :
Its early Wallace, take some Geritol.
Posted by will on :
I just got off the phone with my brother. He lives(ed) in New Orleans. He's on the West Bank so he isn't flooded. He evacuted to TX. Listening to someone closer to the disaster is unbelievable. He's saying there will be thousands dead, perhaps ten's of thousands when it's all setteld.
Posted by will on :
It's doing great. It is a sting operation orchestrated by the Dept, of Justice, and everyone will be rich. You'll get tons of money even if you sold your position already. So, those shares you bought at .0005 will allow you to finace your next fiasco.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Upside: So, I haven't followed CMKX in a while, how's the stock play of a lifetime doing these days?
Posted by Upside on :
Will, #1, I'm glad to hear your brother is ok. #2, the post of mine that you copied was a comment about New Orleans. Pay attention would you.
Posted by Upside on :
Oh, I see you attempted to fix it but in your haste to not look like a dumbazz you screwed it up. Good job chum.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Yeah Will, good to hear he's out too. What a mess, it's unbelievable. Makes me wish I would have went down there before it happened to see the old New Orleans, because it'll probably never be the same.
Posted by will on :
...and you wonder why everyone hates you ?
C'mon man, do something stupid soon. Why don't you drive up and visit bill. Maybe you two can taunt the IRS, and have the FBI rip your car arpart. Maybe you can insult a FBI agent and get fined a couple of thousand dollars. They'll just lock bill up, but they'll fine you. They heard that you love pissing your money in the street. When they see you they'll says, "isn't that the Wisconsin mope with bill that bought CMKX at .0005, and sold it at .00004. let's stop them, he's easy money. We'll just lock bill up, he'll chalk it up to bad luck" LOL
Posted by will on :
Well, I saw the old New Orleans a couple of times, and never thought it was anything but sh*thole. Dirtiest city I have ever been in.
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Yeah Will, good to hear he's out too. What a mess, it's unbelievable. Makes me wish I would have went down there before it happened to see the old New Orleans, because it'll probably never be the same.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Will:
quote:...and you wonder why everyone hates you ?
C'mon man, do something stupid soon. Why don't you drive up and visit bill. Maybe you two can taunt the IRS, and have the FBI rip your car arpart. Maybe you can insult a FBI agent and get fined a couple of thousand dollars. They'll just lock bill up, but they'll fine you. They heard that you love pissing your money in the street. When they see you they'll says, "isn't that the Wisconsin mope with bill that bought CMKX at .0005, and sold it at .00004. let's stop them, he's easy money. We'll just lock bill up, he'll chalk it up to bad luck" LOL
No offense to Bill because he's a good guy but he's got that storm cloud constantly over his head and until the sun shines on him, I don't want to visit him. Funny how my string of bad luck started right after I met you. Do you have that effect on everyone that knows you? I'll bet your wife just loves you, doesn't she?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
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Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: [QUOTE]Originally posted by will: [QB] Well, I saw the old New Orleans a couple of times, and never thought it was anything but sh*thole. Dirtiest city I have ever been in.
Did you give away any beads?
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Highwaychild:
quote:Did you give away any beads?
No, he earned them.
Posted by will on :
I was never there for the BIG freak show, the Mardi Gras. Was there in March though and couldn't get around because of all the parades, St. Patrick's Day, St. Joesph's day, and not just one parade, they tie the city up for hours you can't get from point A to point B to save your life. Someone gets an erection down there, and they have a parade. If it wasn't for the offshore oil down there it would just be a place where people go and sit around and wait for the next parade. Terrible human tragedy. I know I would never live there.
Posted by bill1352 on :
welcome back upside...will stick it where the sun dont shine....DARK CLOUD??? he11 its a good think new orleans didn't get the clouds over my head, they would really be in trouble...lol. & Will did GET beads...he was flashing folks in his summer dress...the QBID side of town
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by bill1352:
quote:Will did GET beads...he was flashing folks in his summer dress...the QBID side of town
Yep, that's kind of what I figured too. He'd fit right in wearing his sun dress. Earned his beads when someone would shout "Show us your...." well, you get the picture.
Posted by will on :
The QBID side of town would be the North end of the French Quarter, I think. Although, there isn't any North, South, East, or West in that town. Everyone gives direction in reference to the River, Up River, Down River, Cross River. What a place.
Posted by bill1352 on :
it is a tragic what happened...new orleans needs to be built elsewhere...Will glad your bro left early...did anyone notice that the looting started about 2 hrs after the storm left??? it was some of the first video out after the storm...not just teens either, it was whole familys, grandparents, parents & little kids. it was like they were getting ready to go shopping during the storm.
Posted by bill1352 on :
on a CMKX note....legal,....SIGNED AHEAD OF TIME???? who the fu** signs certs equal to 703 billion shares ahead of time???? is this the same guy with this great master plan??? the plan to make millions of millionaires??? the plan to send all the scumbag mm's into short squeeze he11?? the master mind??? just sat down 1 rainy day & signed 10,000 cert sheets with no numbers filled in. sort of like signing all the checks in your check book when you put it in the holder, save time later. what was that comment i called the stupidest 1 yet last week legal???? i want to change that to this comment.
Posted by will on :
Yea, even Upchuck doesn't sign all the checks in his check book when he puts them in the holder, to save time later. He only does half of them to pay for his "misfortunes".
Posted by Upside on :
I've been free of misfortunes since the 4th of July (except for the fish hitting me in the sack) so I figure I'm in the clear. Either that or a big one is looming.
Posted by will on :
I'll bet on the latter, the big one is looming. I can't wait to hear what it will be. I'm laughing already.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: on a CMKX note....legal,....SIGNED AHEAD OF TIME???? who the fu** signs certs equal to 703 billion shares ahead of time???? is this the same guy with this great master plan??? the plan to make millions of millionaires??? the plan to send all the scumbag mm's into short squeeze he11?? the master mind??? just sat down 1 rainy day & signed 10,000 cert sheets with no numbers filled in. sort of like signing all the checks in your check book when you put it in the holder, save time later. what was that comment i called the stupidest 1 yet last week legal???? i want to change that to this comment.
Nearly every trading corporation out there bill. They are printed that way and normally secured somewhere. That's why they all still bear the signature of Corey Klassen. That guy hasn't been Treasurer since 03, yet all of new certs have his name stamped on them.
They know who passed them, and he will be revealed shortly. Why would someone else be allowed access to signed certs? Does "Target" ring a bell. And if you were investigating this, wouldn't you allow your target to access certs with tracking threads? Wouldn't you want your target to dump a lot of shares into the market so you could trace the monies, sources and recipients. If you all would get your heads out of the sand you would realize what is going on here.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Welcome back Up.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal letting 703 billion shares go into the market is criminal. cmkx is destroyed because of that no matter what claimns they own. sting operation or not. the only way to fix that is to r/s a million shares into 2 or 3 shares. even frizzy says as much. but of course frizzy can't see the whole picture. only a few of the cults brainchildren can see everything. you guys should set your sites on something more usefull like finding Osama. frizzy started the lawsuit against the SEC for trading records yesterday. the SEC had said no because the info was needed for a criminal case. frizzy has a bad guy list he wants stocklien to go after. a more reasonable guess is both frizzy & the SEC are after the same thing & UC is target #1 at least on the SEC's list. thus the criminal case the SEC needs that info for. first you shut the POS company down. end the dilution completely. second you charge all guilty parties.
Posted by legaleagle on :
IMO, Frizzell is "posturing" to put pressure on the DOJ to take long overdue action against all of the "bad guys". The SEC is not driving this vehicle, nor do they want to close CMKX down. If they wanted to, they would have long ago. They are co-operating with the "real cops" and Stoecklein.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
man i dont know what to believe anymore with this company
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: man i dont know what to believe anymore with this company
How about "You will never see a penny of your original investment." Unless, of course, you sell at .00004 just to get it out of your portfolio.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, John Martin just made a few thousand dollars for his boss. With that piece of work he just feed to the cult they will be throwing money at Frizzle.
Posted by Ric on :
A letter from John Martin
I have not commented on things for a long time. I think it is time to do so.
I must confess that Bill and I have had a difficult time continuing to work on this case with the lack of support from some shareholders. There are those, who are arm chair quarterbacks who think they have all the answers. (You all seem to have no trust in anyone.) There are those of you who are so caught up in UC, that you can’t see what has happened (I know, because I was there); and then there are those who see blood so red, that you are willing to file a suit at any cost for revenge.
I don’t want to forget to acknowledge the truly supportive group of the hundreds of shareholders that understand what they have in Bill Frizzell. These individuals have donated incredible amounts of time and money. In addition, many have actually taken the time to send us encouraging e-mails and cards. They have no idea how encouraging their words and gestures mean to us.
Bill Frizzell is walking a very fine line. He has to deal with some of the most selfish individuals I think I have ever encountered. He has to deal with a company that has done a lot of things wrong, HOWEVER, may have the goods. He has to deal with the SEC; he has a law license to protect; and he has to work for 5,000-6,000 shareholders who deserve to receive their due. He has to juggle information in a way that does not completely destroy the company in which we all have believed; and he has to know what to tell his clients without informing the enemy. On top of all this, he has to deal with little funding. Folks, we are spending most of our time attempting to convince people we are doing the right thing! I know you cannot see it, but Bill is spending 10-12 hours per day on this, and we are at a junction that could make or break our efforts to succeed for all of us.
Now, allow me to set some things straight. There is a concerted effort to destroy this group’s unity. Bill Frizzell has never done anything to cause anyone to doubt his word or his character. If he says there will be no class action suit, he means it! In addition, he is not going to give the information to another attorney to do so for him. If Bill says that when he files a lawsuit with a few plaintiffs for reasons that are evident, and says that all shareholders will benefit if there is a settlement, then that is the case! PERIOD! How many times do we need to state things to be believed?? Do some of you actually believe we have staged a set up to take advantage of people that have been hurt like we all have? Do you really think that? Those of you who have made comments along these lines should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh, and let me say one more thing. The Owners Group Inc was formed to attempt to prevent the scamming of innocent investors ever again - NOT because Bill and I want to line our pockets. For those of you who understand public companies, no one gets rich going public if it is done so legally and ethically - at least not until after many years of hard work! I have been literally sick to my stomach over the stench from the rotting souls from the fraudulent crooks that steal from unsuspecting shareholders all over this country. I guess I was naive as to what actually was going on out there in our markets, but some of the most gosh awful things happen out there every day, and I plan on standing up and making a difference!
I watch the boards every day, and have come to the conclusion that some people are just lonely and downright mean. They have nothing better to do than cast personal doubt on us so that others will jump on board with them. I do not think they are bashers, I just think they are people who enjoy making others think the same way they do: Misery loves company.
I know it is hard to believe, but there are some people in this world who do things for others not intending to reap reward. I know it is difficult to understand why anyone would work at least 10 hours a day and risk his Law Firm and his family for people he does not even know!
Let me tell you why Bill is such a person… because we have calls almost daily from those who fear they have lost everything. Widows who have no one to rely on who have dumped all their money into this company; people with cancer who are trying to make one last effort at supplying income for their family before they die; seasoned investors who have in excess of a million dollars at risk. The stories go on and on and on. We are almost in tears some days with the stories, as well as the cries for help.
Let me give all of you a summary of where we are in this CMKX saga.
Several years ago, some seriously evil people took advantage of Urban Cassavant. Evidently, UC bought a dirty shell when he formed CMKI. That means there was very fine print, which would cause him many problems in the future: Problems that forced him to pay extortionists along the way, i.e. a dilution agreement and toxic financing. We feel, and hopefully will not be proved wrong, that UC is not the mastermind who diluted this stock. We believe it was done to keep up with the agreements in the contract. We assume UC put the claims in the 025 company for the purpose of keeping them safe. We do not think UC did this to keep them from the shareholders. Bill and I are in the process of investigating the extortionists. We think they deserve to pay for what they have done. They are present in dozens of other companies, and are doing the same thing to them. Their day is almost over!! We believe that once they are out of the way, UC will then be able to do the right thing and do whatever he must to give his shareholders their due.
Bill and I want very badly for all shareholders to be paid for their investment. We are not interested in hurting that situation in any way. Bill is not interested in long-term litigation in any way. He is not looking for job security. He is not searching for a way to make a fortune here. He is looking for a way to help all of us innocent shareholders who have been stolen from. There is no underlying reason for what he has done, or is doing, other than justice!
We need for all shareholders to rally here! The extortionists will not have to pay capital gains taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars that they have swindled if this company does not survive. We need for CMKX to make it for more than one reason, not just ourselves.
One last thought. I get numerous e-mails every day asking me if I thought there is anything left here for us shareholders. If we thought there was nothing to gain, we would have already stepped away and let you all know the facts. We believe the “goods” are there. We know we have a huge naked short (835 billion shares, including cert holders, and NOBO lists, and with just 20% of street shares faxed in, leaving 80% not even reporting! This does not begin to mention those who are not included from other countries.) These two things alone can be our winning combination.
CMKX Shareholders, it is time to UNITE!
As Bill would say, “ONWARD”
John
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Well, John Martin just made a few thousand dollars for his boss. With that piece of work he just feed to the cult they will be throwing money at Frizzle.
They hadn't got any new sign up of any significant amount in a month. I guess they were starting to miss the money a little. This should keep the cult going for a little longer. The soap opera continues. Shoot they make money on this after all. NBC could make a drama out of it and they can receive royalties. But Frizzell and UC would find a way to get that too.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:man i dont know what to believe anymore with this company
Hey Moo, not much you can do. Just chew your cud and see what happens.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Read what Elo is saying on Sterling's board: « Reply #4 on Sept 1, 2005, 7:34pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some samples from elo54's posts (buy out of CMKX claims):
N.B. Not in chronological order.
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 04:12 PM EDT Msg. 254961 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254934 by gr8hiker.) Jump to msg. #
Hiker-our friend is travelling out of town this week but she is making some phone calls.Last she heard is a deal is all but complete but still waiting on third party verification of claims.Whether this is related to ownership or value,she is not sure.Looks like we are close to something BIG being released.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:23 PM EDT Msg. 255022 of 255058 (This msg. is a reply to 255019 by coreton67154.) Jump to msg. #
Coreton-no settlement.This is a buy out of claims.Settlement will come later from the bad guys once Frizzell and his hunting dogs are finished with them.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 07:44 PM EDT Msg. 255002 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254983 by cage228.) Jump to msg. #
Cage-Urban is ready to sign the final draft but cant until the property claims have been verified.I heard it is a very complicated situation but general terms have been agreed to subject to verification and appraisal.So have no idea on a time frame.The company is in a difficult position as it cant issue a PR on progress as it might be seen as blatant promotion by the SEC.So can only tell us when the deal is finally concluded.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:29 PM EDT Msg. 255024 of 255059 (This msg. is a reply to 255023 by fatlittleyana.) Jump to msg. #
Fatlittleyana.We will be paid cash.The buyer does not want CMKX with all its baggage.They are after hard asset claims only.So we keep CMKX or Urban might just go private.Then we also have CIM IPO coming up.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:00 PM EDT Msg. 255010 of 255059 (This msg. is a reply to 255005 by elvis-is-here.) Jump to msg. #
Elvis-everything is now as tight as a drum.Urban has not been seen in weeks.I think he must be in the hitler bunker LOL!!.As for what is being sold,we have no idea just that some of the goodies are being kept for the CIM IPO.Urban is an unusual and complex man.He needs this deal to work very badly not just for the share holders but also to regain his faltering reputation.IMO ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 03:56 PM EDT Msg. 254609 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254603 by mobydickpod.) Jump to msg. #
Moby-Urban is doing his darndest to make a deal happen.He needs to get out from this nighmare and fast.We will have a deal,no doubt about it very soon.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:41 PM EDT Msg. 255028 of 255059 (This msg. is a reply to 255025 by CHICPICK.) Jump to msg. #
CHICK-just speculating here.Its not going to be big bucks per share.Say if it were $2B.Now here is the clincher.Urban will pay on the O/S say 700B,which will mean the shorts will have to buy back the rest.So the PPS might take a very big spike when the deal is confirmed.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 08:48 PM EDT Msg. 255032 of 255057 (This msg. is a reply to 255026 by o2bayankee.) Jump to msg. #
02-by all means join Frizzell.I honestly believe he the one true person in all of this.He has the share holders interest at heart.Only for him we would hardly even have access to the trial transcripts.The bad guys know he coming after them and IMO with a little help from the FEDS.Any settlement in this area will only come as a result of the work done by Frizzell.IMO ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 07:30 PM EDT Msg. 254997 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254995 by sportsman93306.) Jump to msg. #
Sportsman-two seperate issues.If the criminal element had not dumped this stock into oblivion,I think we could now be trading in pennies.So they have cost us all a fortune and for many who have had to sell out, taken away their future and that of their families. I will not be happy until everything they have is taken away from them.I hope we will soon know who these people are and then put them away for 20 years. ELO
By: elo54 01 Sep 2005, 06:24 PM EDT Msg. 254985 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254977 by madkapperaz.) Jump to msg. #
MAD-My good friend believes her and the only reason he tells me is to let people know there is great hope for a good outcome to all of this.He does not however want to endanger her employment and she is not an insider.IMO ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 03:59 PM EDT Msg. 1100730 of 1102889 Jump to msg. #
MR FRIZZELL
Thank you Sir for your latest efforts.I am ready for phase 3.Let the hunting dogs out and hunt down these fat pigs and put them behind bars.One point,I have my check ready if needed BUT when you take back the ill gotten gains from these criminals remember those that funded your campaign.We have a lot of fair weather friends here waiting on others to do the lifting.I think it is time to reward the OG paid up members with priority in any settlement talks.After all you represent us (OG)your paying client. ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 04:11 PM EDT Msg. 254617 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254615 by goalydad1.) Jump to msg. #
MJ and GOALY-no confirmation of a deal yet but Urban is burning the midnight oil trying to make it happen.I have no other details just the parties are very close.Lots of Attorneys and Advisers in on it now.IMO ELO
By: elo54 31 Aug 2005, 04:29 PM EDT Msg. 254641 of 255060 (This msg. is a reply to 254625 by HUSTLER7.) Jump to msg. #
HUSTLER-Calm down.Everything will be fine for the shareholders.Now some insiders might be in some serious trouble but it is trouble of their own making, GREED. CMKX is like a big ship with passengers ( us )crew (insiders) and cargo ( claims ) So what if some of the crew get busted,the ship will still sail and I think the passengers will have a great time and the cargo will be delivered.IMO ELO
By: elo54 30 Aug 2005, 08:25 PM EDT Msg. 1099679 of 1102893 (This msg. is a reply to 1099635 by 007sam.) Jump to msg. #
007-Absolutely not.Deals can still move forward for the benefit of shareholders.This is about the manipulation of not just CMKX but a host of other small companies that have gone out of business.We are lucky to have Frizzell who is going to hunt these guys down with his hunting dogs and they are going to have to pay compensation big time and may have to do time in the BIG HOUSE.IMO ELO
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could what JA is saying be related to elo54's comments?
jay_adobe: "richest ground in the world" (FWIW)
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 11:54 AM EDT Msg. 1101952 of 1102795 Jump to msg. #
There sure is a lot of hatred and negativity on this board nowadays. Surely you are aware that there are good things happening in the world too. Surely you remember that we are sitting on the richest ground in the world. Where's the positive?
By: TonyToX 01 Sep 2005, 12:04 PM EDT Msg. 1101981 of 1102795 (This msg. is a reply to 1101952 by jay_adobe.) Jump to msg. #
JAY-ADOBE, you know the answer to that one. we may own land that surrounds some of the richest land in the world, but all of the drilling data to date reveals that our land is not worth much.
it is only your assertion that cmkx owns valuable land, nothing more. there is no empirical evidence that our land is worth more than mud. hence, the despair among many. for the others, it is blind hope or as kierkegaard might argue, CMKX has become a religion and they have made their "leap of faith." lol
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 12:10 PM EDT Msg. 1102001 of 1102795 (This msg. is a reply to 1101981 by TonyToX.) Jump to msg. # Tony, The problem with your statement is that you are not privy to perusing "all of the drilling data". You have seen what the company wants you to see at this time. Be patient. It will all play out. The empirical data will be revealed soon enough. imo
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 12:18 PM EDT Msg. 1102039 of 1102812 (This msg. is a reply to 1102015 by alpha.rat.) Jump to msg. #
alpha, Rest assured that there is a plan in place and everything is going according to the plan. You may not get to see all the moves, but moves are being made to your benefit as a shareholder. imo
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 12:33 PM EDT Msg. 1102088 of 1102813 (This msg. is a reply to 1102071 by mobydickpod.) Jump to msg. # moby, We KNOW it is the richest. We KNOW we have been drilling. In Canada, results do not have to be publicly revealed until 2 years after the discovery. Discovery occurs when samples are assayed. We are in good hands. imo
By: smellinmoney 01 Sep 2005, 01:30 PM EDT Msg. 1102199 of 1102815 Jump to msg. # JAY- when you say event driven, what kind of events might you be referring to? some event that acts as a catalyst to put other events into motion?? like what??
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 02:31 PM EDT Msg. 1102265 of 1102815 (This msg. is a reply to 1102199 by smellinmoney.) Jump to msg. #
smellin, A catalysistic event might be something as simple as the signing of an agreement or settlement, or the reading of sample assay results, or finalizing merger documentation, or serving a subpoena. There are many events which could be catalysts.
By: viperware1 01 Sep 2005, 01:54 PM EDT Msg. 1102227 of 1102816 (This msg. is a reply to 1101983 by jay_adobe.) Jump to msg. #
Hi Jay, Not sure how you are able to deal with all of these idiots that slam you. I like your info. I missed this one about the sec timeline. Is there a link or doc that I can reference concerning this statement you mentioned. "You should expect the company to meet its timeline for the response to the SEC. That is the next milestone."
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 02:58 PM EDT Msg. 1102306 of 1102817 (This msg. is a reply to 1102299 by highflyer130.) Jump to msg. #
high, It is my understanding that Mr. Casavant is appreciative to all shareholders. He is not discriminatory or prejudiced in any way. Even naysayers and those that lost faith in him a long time ago will be rewarded. If you are in, you win. imo
By: jay_adobe 01 Sep 2005, 03:09 PM EDT Msg. 1102324 of 1102817 (This msg. is a reply to 1102310 by silverbulletny1.) Jump to msg. #
silver, Understand that I am not at liberty to discuss which chat rooms I am in or have been in or will be in in the future. Just know that there are things going on behind the scenes that will work out for the benefit of the shareholders. I have never met you. That much I can reveal. imo
------------------------ BTW, for a little information on Kierkegaard's folly see the section "ADRIFT ON A SEA OF SUBJECTIVITY" and "MYSTICISM: IRRATIONALITY GONE TO SEED" at: http://www.eternallifeministries.org/jm_reason.htm
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L: "Nearly every trading corporation out there bill. They are printed that way and normally secured somewhere."
W: Technically, you are correct legal. However, they are kept under the supervision of the Transfer Agent/Registrar. Only Urban Casavant could have authorized their issuance, and it states on the General Ledger of the company that they were issued.
If you are saying that someone at the TA stole certificates, I suppose that is remotely possible, but that does not account for the figures itemized as issued in the General Ledger. There is no question that most of the 800 billion shares were issued under the direction and reponsibility of UC himself.
If you are saying someone other than TA personnel or UC (and family) somehow stole certs, I suppose that too could be possible. The obvious question there is why didn't anyone at the TA or UC report the theft? Where was your buddy Glenn? Or Maheu when he came on board? Who was responsible for lax security of certs? Even this does not account for the almost 800 billion shares dumped on the market and identified in the General Ledger.
Those 800 billion shares could not have been issued without the consent of Urban Casavant. No if, ands or buts about it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
With reference to Martin's letter, I have excerpted a few of his statements and commented very briefly. They are as follows:
(You all seem to have no trust in anyone.) W: Everything about UC and CMKX in the past justifies a lack of trust....right down to pleading the 5th.
There are those of you who are so caught up in UC, that you can’t see what has happened (I know, because I was there); and then there are those who see blood so red, that you are willing to file a suit at any cost for revenge. W: If Martin was there, then exactly what is he talking about? Revenge? No, justice!
Bill Frizzell is walking a very fine line. He has to deal with some of the most selfish individuals I think I have ever encountered. W: I too am selfish about my money and do not like to get snookered or scammed.
He has to deal with a company that has done a lot of things wrong, HOWEVER, may have the goods. W: The understatement of the year!! It has not been the company but the single person running the company....namely Urban Casavant. And, "may" have the goods does not cut the mustard.
He has to juggle information in a way that does not completely destroy the company in which we all have believed; and he has to know what to tell his clients without informing the enemy. W: Getting quite tired of the all encompassing "enemy". We have heard everything from the SEC, the MMs and everyone except Mickey Mouse as the "enemy". It is really about time shareholders are told exactly who is the "enemy".
On top of all this, he has to deal with little funding. W: Phase 3 set up?
I know you cannot see it, but Bill is spending 10-12 hours per day on this, and we are at a junction that could make or break our efforts to succeed for all of us. W: What are the specifics of that "junction"? What remedy? More money?
There is a concerted effort to destroy this group’s unity. W: Sounds like ghost chasing. I think many people are just genuinely concerned about their monetary losses and honestly feel, with ample justification, the buck stops with Urban Casavant.
If Bill says that when he files a lawsuit with a few plaintiffs for reasons that are evident, and says that all shareholders will benefit if there is a settlement, then that is the case! W: Of course all shareholders will benefit, but exactly how much compared to their losses? Of course, but how much per shareholder after attorneys get their cut?
Oh, and let me say one more thing. The Owners Group Inc was formed to attempt to prevent the scamming of innocent investors ever again - NOT because Bill and I want to line our pockets. W: I thought it was to try to protect their rights as shareholders of CMKX, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was to forget about their losses and experiences with CMKX, but to make a statement about naked short selling. And, I suppose Mr.Martin has no vested interest in CMKX.
For those of you who understand public companies, no one gets rich going public if it is done so legally and ethically - at least not until after many years of hard work! W: Interesting statement, but one I cannot accept as valid.
Several years ago, some seriously evil people took advantage of Urban Cassavant. Evidently, UC bought a dirty shell when he formed CMKI. That means there was very fine print, which would cause him many problems in the future: Problems that forced him to pay extortionists along the way, i.e. a dilution agreement and toxic financing. W: Poor Urban Casavant! Couldn't he read fine print? Couldn't his lawyers read fine print? Aren't some of the people he hangs around with seriously evil people? Precisely what "problems" "forced him to pay extortionists"? Extortion is illegal isn't it? What did he do about that? What did his lawyers do about that? Was it reported to authorities and what was done about it? What is the content of that so-called dilution agreement and did Urban Casavant agree to it at any time? Exactly what toxic financing and for what purposes? Who authorized such toxic financing? Should CMKX shareholders suffer for stupidity and incompetence?
We feel, and hopefully will not be proved wrong, that UC is not the mastermind who diluted this stock. W: Obviously Martin is not even sure about that, but seems to be suggesting all kinds of "trust" above. However, past performance suggests otherwise when it comes to UC.
Bill and I are in the process of investigating the extortionists. W: General and meaningless statement. Who, what, when, where, why and how?
If we thought there was nothing to gain, we would have already stepped away and let you all know the facts. W: Exactly how much monetary gain is Martin or Frizzell expecting to realize? Is that what he is talking about with the "If we thought there was nothing to gain" statement?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: L: "Nearly every trading corporation out there bill. They are printed that way and normally secured somewhere."
W: Technically, you are correct legal. However, they are kept under the supervision of the Transfer Agent/Registrar. Only Urban Casavant could have authorized their issuance, and it states on the General Ledger of the company that they were issued.
If you are saying that someone at the TA stole certificates, I suppose that is remotely possible, but that does not account for the figures itemized as issued in the General Ledger. There is no question that most of the 800 billion shares were issued under the direction and reponsibility of UC himself.
If you are saying someone other than TA personnel or UC (and family) somehow stole certs, I suppose that too could be possible. The obvious question there is why didn't anyone at the TA or UC report the theft? Where was your buddy Glenn? Or Maheu when he came on board? Who was responsible for lax security of certs? Even this does not account for the almost 800 billion shares dumped on the market and identified in the General Ledger.
Those 800 billion shares could not have been issued without the consent of Urban Casavant. No if, ands or buts about it.
Did you read John Martin's letter posted above as you commented on it?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
Sure did, and don't buy most of it. Not that it bothers me, but I guess I qualify as one of those doubters he is pointing his finger at. I would say he is missing one hell of a lot of critical information that most have already seen and digested with logic.
The main problem I see with the OG group is that they refuse to see the fact that Urban Casavant (and probably members of his family as well as various associates?) are just as responsible for what has happened to CMKX as has anyone else. If there is any litigation, there is no question in my mind that UC must be included as a defendant....and probably the major defendant.
[ September 04, 2005, 00:09: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Ric on :
My problem is he states the reason UC put claims in other names was so the bad guys couldn't get them. So why would you pay extortion if they couldn't take your goods anyway. And like Wallace stated, it's illegal and UC wouldn't have to pay unless he had something to hide.
Sounds to me like the OG needed more money and played to the base. I already see from PB that people plan on throwing money their way after this letter and from the first time I read it the letter looked like a way to get more money.
Why blame UC knowing it would cut your money off. Blame everyone else and once you get them under the gun, I am sure they will squeal like stuck pigs. That UC gave them shares to sell in exchange for paybacks. Let them blame UC and you save face.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I suppose UC also put his house in a trust to protect the shareholders too, huh.
It's just one thing after another with that guy.
Posted by Ric on :
I know that most people that are duped and conned like UC, take the fifth so they can get blamed for no reason other then to protect the people that extored him. Yeah that makes sense. lol
Posted by firefly on :
Is this pinky still trading?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Three more things:
1) Martin said he was there. What the hell does that mean? All I know is that such a statement says nothing.
2) And don't I recall that Martin stated he would cover all costs not covered by the OG members. Guess he just wants to lower his expenses for the time being.
3) I am willing to bet that Martin would be the plaintiff on any suit taking place in the future against anyone. Duuhhhh!!!
Good night.
Posted by Ric on :
Its just a bad dream that keeps being replayed.
Posted by firefly on :
dang
Posted by bill1352 on :
i agree with wallace. if someone or a group of ppl are out to extort money the answer is very simple, call a cop. you dont destroy a company, dilute the value, if any, to the tune of 703.5 billion shares. you call the feds, show them the extortion info, a wire tap & its over. also you dont hand relatives billions of shares that they then sell almost the same day into the market.
that said, i'm not real sure frizzy is out to scam cmkx cult members. i would think he is walking a tightrope. on 1 hand he has to service his clients, on the other he needs cmkx to think he is not against them to get whatever info he can. he can't have UC telling stocklien to cut him off. as for the hrs a day on this, i'm guessing 5 or 6 are just talking to cmkx cult members telling him what to do. i'll give frizzy the benifit of the doubt for now as there is not incriminating evidence yet. UC on the other hand is guilty as hell. the evidence against him is huge & growing.
Posted by Ric on :
I don't think Frizzy is scamming either but. Martin supposedly has to pay the bill if the cult doesn't sign up for the OG. And phase 2 only got 2200 sign ups and I bet Frizzells bill is getting large. And thats not paying the bills. Only 100 new sign ups in the last few weeks. They need members because I know that Martin said he would pick up the tab but not sure he really expected to and the phase 2 numbers are bad. That's why I think Martin put this out. It wasn't a Frizzell letter. But also I think Frizzell can't go after UC either. He already has been told that he would lose all support if he does. So I do think this was a pump for money from John Martin. And I do think that Frizzell knows UC is a bad guy and that it will come out. But he isn't going to do it.
[ September 04, 2005, 02:30: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by kissme on :
Most of posters here are BASHERS. My question to you is how much that criminal group paid you to attack 24/7 a stock trading near ZERO ??? I am unemployed and want this job so bad !!!
Posted by Ric on :
I thought we had the same boss. Everyone has their own reasons. Its a message board and one nice thing about America is freedom of speech. But there are a lot of friends here and most are seasoned veterans on this board and well respected. We have fun here thats our payment. But I do agree with you on your bashing.
quote:Originally posted by kissme: ICAN stole the PR from QBID and got back-fired. This POS is not going anywhere. What a stupid company !!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
" We feel, and hopefully will not be proved wrong, that UC is not the mastermind who diluted this stock. We believe it was done to keep up with the agreements in the contract. We assume UC put the claims in the 025 company for the purpose of keeping them safe. We do not think UC did this to keep them from the shareholders"
black & white, cmkx has no claims. all are in 1 company. remember the 8k? the drilling report? legal you keep saying there were more then 1 company holding the claims. this says differant. that report did not say they found the "goods". it is possible there is a pipe or 2 worth mining but it hasn't been found yet & no money to search. also martin says he is hopeful UC didn't dilute but he did it to pay contracts. UC did it, not ppl stole the shares & issued them. if this selling of shares was because of a bad contract & UC gave a chit he would have issued & r/s'ed till everything was covered & gave the reason in a 8K not just run the o/s to such stupid numbers. his pumping on the track, paying ppl to pump thus sucking in more ppl to buy his shares says the o/s didn't have much to do with contracts. toxic funding can also put cash in accounts fast. martin says you dont go public to become a millionaire...UC sure has a millionaires home, somebody had to pay for that.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i agree with wallace. if someone or a group of ppl are out to extort money the answer is very simple, call a cop. you dont destroy a company, dilute the value, if any, to the tune of 703.5 billion shares. you call the feds, show them the extortion info, a wire tap & its over. also you dont hand relatives billions of shares that they then sell almost the same day into the market.
that said, i'm not real sure frizzy is out to scam cmkx cult members. i would think he is walking a tightrope. on 1 hand he has to service his clients, on the other he needs cmkx to think he is not against them to get whatever info he can. he can't have UC telling stocklien to cut him off. as for the hrs a day on this, i'm guessing 5 or 6 are just talking to cmkx cult members telling him what to do. i'll give frizzy the benifit of the doubt for now as there is not incriminating evidence yet. UC on the other hand is guilty as hell. the evidence against him is huge & growing.
Call a cop??? Isn't that what I have been saying happened for months now. Remember STING? Once they were in, I think they allowed further dilution in order to track the flow of shares, money and the people who were NSing.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, you dont dilute hundreds of billions of shares to do that. you might dilute a few billion but thats it. the cops would not destroy a compny in a sting. that paper trail your taking about could be done quite easily without hundreds of billions of shares. every person that worked for cmkx got millions in cash for shares, family members got millions, UC aint broke, he lent $15 million to UCSA. cops would not do that crooks would. you think cops are going to buy the o/s down to hundreds of millions?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, you dont dilute hundreds of billions of shares to do that. you might dilute a few billion but thats it. the cops would not destroy a compny in a sting. that paper trail your taking about could be done quite easily without hundreds of billions of shares. every person that worked for cmkx got millions in cash for shares, family members got millions, UC aint broke, he lent $15 million to UCSA. cops would not do that crooks would. you think cops are going to buy the o/s down to hundreds of millions?
If you are doing a sting on NS and the shorters are buying in the billions then you have to issue multiple billions. Have you forgotten the Jeffries letter. They alone had taken in 111 billion alone. How many MM's were involved in the NS. Urban once mentioned 23 companies that were involved in selling CMKX. That list was put out along with the appeal to pull certs. What do you suppose he was asking that for?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.
I will consider sending Frizz some money. As soon as he proves that he isnt trying to rip me off a second time. Any money he gets from me will be from the NET PROFITS I get from selling my CMKX stock. And not a second sooner. I didnt hire him and I trust him as far as I can throw my house. Show me PROOF and make me money. Then we'll talk about YOUR cut.
Posted by Ric on :
But the Jefferies letter had nothing to do with NSS except for what the OG has inferred it has. The letter clearly stated it was long sells and that they were covered. But the cult refuses to believe thats true. But just like all their theories, just because you want to believe a theory doesn't make it true.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Frizzell is saying he will issue an extensive and detailed update, tomorrow late or Tuesday morning. Then he will come into Sterlings PalTalk and take questions. Should be very interesting.
Posted by Ric on :
If you look at the Jefferies letter and compare the sales to those on the master shareholders list you will find some interesting names that keep reappearing on those dates. I assume that other MM's were involved then Jeff. But here are a few that I found interesting and Grant Hodgings seems to have been a big player in this. Of course some I list may be innocent in this just a quick observation. Remember Certs maybe settled the next day.
Grant Hodging Eric Reid James Kinney Glen Emmens Wallace Hiebelhaus
Then theres these trust, holding co., and properties inc's. I know these have something to do with this because they were issued shares when Jefferies said someone contacted him. And they are involved in most of the dates on Jefferries letters. When they weren't Eric Reid and Grant Hodging sure was. Just look at 3/23/2004 and each of these were issued shares together and are all involved on different days that corrispond with the Jefferies letter.
71st Street Holdings Eton Properties Jon Di Properties GM Steel Trust PTI Trust Federal One Investments Consistorium Patrium S.A
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I agree that Frizzell is probably trying to do the best he can. However, Martin does have a vested interested in getting more money.
As far as I am concerned, the OG membership is a dead horse. Unless they go after UC, nothing will be accomplished.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Frizzell should have gone after the receivership of CMKX when he threatened it.
[ September 04, 2005, 21:25: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
if you google that computer clearing services you see they are a middleman. if a company wants to put shares into the market & not thru 1 mm these are the kind of guys you call. you hand them shares & for a fee they dump them into the market through differant mm's. finding out who hired them would be a good peice of info. i'm betting UC never talked to the directly but he might have.
if this sting idea held water UC would not have cryed the 5th in court. UC would have had records of every dollar & shares. they would need them to prove the targets of the sting did as the cult believes. the cops would have an auditor standing by to go over those records. you wouldn't have 2 auditors doing as they did, 1 quit & 1 wanting to know why illegal things were done & both asking for records. to follow the stings so called paper trail you first need records of that trail. legal, your sting idea is the last desparate hope of a scammed group of ppl. martin knows pointing any finger at UC will kill the OG. he said so in a way in the letter when he mentioned the cults blindness towards UC........
"There are those of you who are so caught up in UC, that you can’t see what has happened (I know, because I was there);"
they are trying to tell you what probably happened & are smart enough to know as the line from the movie goes..."you can't handle the truth." this sting belief is proof of that fact.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Actually bill, taking the fifth in a civil hearing is perfectly logical if you are co-operating in a criminal investigation and prosecution.
You assume that he doesn't have the records. And of course "they" do need them for prosecution, and yes the investigators would have auditors going over them for presentation to the Grand Jury. They wouldn't want them getting "mucked up" by an auditor recommended by John Edwards especially, or any civilian auditor for that matter. Actually your comments go farther to showing that it is a sting, than not.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill, I do believe you spelled it out correctly.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Should I be surprised?
Posted by TANGO42 on :
WALLACE: I am surprised as you claimed to have read 14c. Did you miss the fact that if CMKX goes to receivership the 'SELLERS" get the claims ?
Posted by duediligence1 on :
Obviously you haven't read anything since March or you would realize this is a scam. This isn't rocket science, a ten year old could figure out what this stock is.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by TANGO42: WALLACE: I am surprised as you claimed to have read 14c. Did you miss the fact that if CMKX goes to receivership the 'SELLERS" get the claims ?
According to some, those claims are in the hands of a third party already. Besides, they have NO PROVEN VALUE anyway, so no big loss.
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see then...according to your idea legal its a sting & they do have records & a goverment auditor...ok then UC lied in a pr, stocklien lied in a pr & in court in fact they lied in a number of prs. they hired 2 auditors costing about $200K total. both auditors said there wasn't anything to audit. stockliens accounting arm lied in court. all this lying to fool ppl that if they didn't have the goods on by the time cmkx got to court they never would catch. remember the dilution ended about january.....1 question legal...does your eye twitch when you tell yourself this sting idea has merit??? i think the biggest lying going on is anyone thinking this is a sting, lying to themselves.
Posted by Ric on :
Hey come on bill, your the one that tells me about bringing logic into this. lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
i guess your right Ric...gotta leave logic & facts at the door...lol
Posted by Ric on :
I do like the eye twitch. I don't know bill. As far out as this sting and the new post he made on PB called Common Sense Time, I am wondering if legal actually believes this stuff he's posting or is he having way to much fun making stuff up. I hope the latter for his sake.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Don't post anything I don't believe. The cop in me doesn't let me believe anything until the evidence I uncover is overwhelming.
Posted by bill1352 on :
the evidence its not a sting but a scam is overwhelming legal....thus the lying to yourself comment.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Tell me how those two would "look" different, bill.
Posted by Ric on :
A scam UC would have had to take the fifth with a personal lawyer.
Maheu wouldn't know anything about the company and testified to that
A scam the accountant would file a form 10a of possible illegal activities.
Stoecklien's accountant would have to testify that the books are incomplete (you really trying to say stoecklien doesn't know something)
A scam dilutes share to 778 billion shares making the shareholders investment worthless
A scam would have a not very respectable company give back shares because they don't like whats going on
A scam would file a false form 15 so they wouldn't have to report what they are doing.
A scam would blame others for mis management instead of taking responsibility for the company.
And so much more.
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If it was a sting
Then UC wouldn't need a personal lawyer in court
If Maheu is involved then he would have taken the fifth in court and not lied.
They wouldn't screw the investor with 703 billion shares
If it was a sting they wouldn't involve 50K unknowing people.
It too stupid to even go on. I never heard of such nonsense in my life.
Posted by Ric on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, let me get this clear regarding the STING THING hypothesis.
The DJ decides it wants to catch some bad guys, therefore, it tells UC and Company that they are not to continue to build CM shareholder value--the one and only purpose for a legit business--by doing all those things necessary to increase shareholder value via the stock price, i.e., enter into profitable new contracts, report positive exploration results to the market place, focus on business (rather than a staged SEC attack costing millions of dollars), etc., etc., etc. Therefore, CU is directed to cooperate with the DOJ but in the process run a publicly traded company, CMKM, into the ground.
This decision by the DOJ (who by the way, within the DOJ, will eventually take the heat for the massive loss of money to present CMKM stockholders?....and how could UC, the CEO of a company, and with his primary responsibility to his shareholders first and not the DOJ, make such a decision to literally destroy stockholder value) allows some bad guys to run the price of CMKX stock into the ground via the massive selling of shares, to the tune of possibly $390 Million dollars--as per Frizzell's e-mail of last week--thus causing approximately 60,000 share holders to lose hundreds of millions of dollars of stock value, possibly causing thousands of CMKM stockholders to sell tens/hundreds of millions of dollars of CMKM stock at a steep financial loss, most likely never to be recovered.
Meanwhile, Edwards, et al are sipping pina coladas on some "exotic island" as hundreds, if not thousands of lives are damaged due to the investment and subsequent loss in CMKM stock....all because the DOJ wants to catch a few stock manipulators, and, the CEO of CMKM decides it is best to help the DOJ, and in the process cause massive financial loss to those who he, UC, is obligated to do everything in his power to work on the behalf of to create shareholder value.
Yeah, right...this has got to be a STING THING!
Ok, lets assume this is a sting. If so, can you imaging the heat and law suits the DOJ, UC, and all involved would eventually end up in from CMKM stockholders who have been financially damaged from all this?
Bottom line: I do not believe UC or any CEO in his/her right mind would enter into an agreement with the DOJ to run CMKM into the ground to catch a few bad guys...all IMO.
CDLIC
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, since you want to bring CDLIC's post here, I thought in balance maybe we should have Noah's repsonses as well.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your counter-theory presupposes that UC has ceased building shareholder value and drove the company "into the ground".
The only people who have lost any money, are those who sold on such rumors.
There is no liability to the government if they are merely monitoring and gathering information of a business in which "some" are performing illegal acts already.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no doubt in my mind that criminal dilution and diversion of massive amounts of shares has occured.
The question is who and why at this point.
If there is no government investigation involved here, then you are accusing UC, RG and IBM of crminal intent, misfeasance, and theft.
If not directly, then by complicity.
Is that the point of your post?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDLIC, you are probably right, no CEO would "cause" such a drain on his company. And especially wouldn't record it in the Corporate Minutes. (100-1 forward split).
But I think a responsible CEO, operating under extortionate manipulation (see John Martin letter) would allow the DOJ to record and monitor what was already occuring, in order to bring an end to it.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yeah, it's a sting all right. And guess who got stung????
**** US ****
Posted by Ric on :
Is there a time today that CMKX has to file that appeal?
Posted by bill1352 on :
if it was a sting UC could keep drilling & looking for whatever. the sting would not stop that. however allowing 703 billion into the o/s destroys any value UC might dig up. the sting idea has more holes then a collander. who will be buying the shares thaty were dumped into cmkx? the bad guys??? ya right. if the money isn't spent its hidden so deep nobody will find it. no money trail will open accounts in offshore banks. r/s this thing down to the couple hundred million it should be at and that toilet paper roll of certs will be down to its last sheet.
a few things are due...frizzys bad guy list & the brief for their appeal.that brief ought to be good for a laugh or 2.
Posted by bill1352 on :
1 would think that if cmkx sent the brief into the court today they would say something. its not like the stock is about to be revoked or anything but.....oh wait it is about to be revoked. ya think maybe the shareholders MIGHT HAVE SOME INTEREST IN THAT BRIEF?????....f'in morons
Posted by Ric on :
After reading Frizzell's letter it is quite obvious that the unspoken and unspecified person who should be included as liable is Urban Casavant. Frzzell just left his name out, but left it open to be included at a later date. One has to only read between the lines in addition to the actual lines.
Frizzell has stated that Edwards and others got their shares directly through or from Urban Casavant. There appears to be no question that that was the case. Therefore, logic dictates that Urban Casavant is just as legally responsible as those identified may or may not be liable. How anyone can think otherwise is beyond belief.
Frizzell also made it clear the while all the above diluent issuances were being made, positive PRs were consistently being reported. We all know that as fact.
Didn't Frizzell suggest that Edward's having taken the 5th was indicative of wrong doing? What about Urban Casavant doing the same thing.
In addition to taking the 5th, Urban grossly failed the legal dictates and requirements of his fiduciary duties. He kept no proper records, and, as President of CMKX, it was his responsibility to be sure such records were kept and remained current. He outright lied about the progression of financial documents and their publication. He outright lied about the company's address. He outright lied about information on the company's Form 15. He misled shareholders and potential shareholders in public releases. He appears to have misued and misappropriated company funds. I am sure there are other specific incidents or lack thereof.
The only reason I can think of as to why Frizzell has not included Urban Casavant's name is because Martin is his original/first OG client and that he has been directed not to include Urban Casavant. There is no question in my mind that Martin will be the main plaintiff if any action is taken in a class action or any other form. However, if Urban Casavant is not included, it will be a disservice to ALL present and past shareholders.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, as I said earlier. If Frizzell states UC's name now then he would not receive another dime from the die hard UC supporters. But by naming others the funds will increase and UC's name will come out in the suit. Because all those listed are not going to take the heat for UC.
Posted by cobracobra on :
If it is UC he should go to jail, if it is not UC then lots of people owe him an apology. I am fine either way. If it is him i hope he goes to jail in jersey, i got friends there who can make all nice and cozy.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya beat me to it wallace....old but quick, i'll give ya that...lol. he did everything but name UC & notice he put the reporting & hiring of stocklien on mahoo, not UC. he also asked both see this letter, maybe hoping something wakes up the only guy older then wallace in this soap opera, or at least as old as wallace...lol. notice he did say checks from edwards went to the company along with other accounts. i got a feeling it was killing him not to put UC's name on the top of the list.
as for stockliens brief...that was boring. he should have just said "hey, i'm the company lawyer, i'm paid to disagree with the judge. give me a break. notice, no mention that its almost 5 months past due & no records to even start auditing. unless of course your hooked on the sting thing, then the DOJ already has audited records but they are classified top secret, national security & all.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"maybe hoping something wakes up the only guy older then wallace in this soap opera, or at least as old as wallace...lol"
He's older smartass. LOL Good point about the checks too. I left that out. Stocklein seems to have repeated the same things as before.
Bed time for this old fart now. Good night.
PS: I think the one good person involved just might be Frizzell, but his hands are really tied. Too bad. He should have more freedom to be open.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Yesterday at 11:59pm, phxgold wrote:I believe we will discover the toxic financing was well before the shell was bought from cybermark. it is my opinion the financing came from chancery corporate services out of the bahamas. chancey corporate services represented 2 trusts 1 tinto inc 1 dungavel inc. dungavel has a sub called duval inc. look into pedros document you will find them both. look at the days they are issued shares. look into the days those shares are surrendered. add up the share totas surrendered. then take a gander at the share totals issued on the same days to edwards companies listed by frizzell at the known maildrops. i believe you can find the company names under some neat pictures on the og site. notice on those days that tinto or dungavel surrender theyre shares en mass none or very few are issued to cede. that shows they were not put into street name but transferred from one entity to another. add up the totals. dont go on a witch hunt. sort that pdf by date. everyday tells an interresting story. ~Phx
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12/15/2003 how many shares were surrendered in total? 5,255,463,712 how many were issued to cede and company? 430,207,000 so who were the shares surrendered to? if it wasnt cede they werent dumped. just sort by date youll find alot of this. also i find it interresting how many certs are missing from the register but all the shares are apparently accounted for according to this document pedro posted. ~Phx
Posted by legaleagle on :
look at tinto and duval on 1/6/04 each surrenders a total of 2.5b shares a piece but eace are issued 2.5b a piece cede is issues 1,000,038,437 shares 5,000,000,000 out 5,000,000,000 in= no change
although cede and co surrendered 58,437 and ib 2000 surrendered 1,000,000,000
so 5,000,000,000 shares surrendered by chancery(tinto and duval) 1,000,000,000 shares surrendered by ib 2000 58,437 shares surrendered by cede ------------------------ 6,000,058,437 shares surrendered looks like dumping huh? well no
5,000,000,000 shares issued to chancery(tinto and duval) 1,000,038,437 shares to cede 20,000 shares to some schmuk named robert h ------------------- 6,000,058,437
thats the wash plus 5billion shares issued. but as you see what appears to be a dump isnt in alot of cases if you do the math you see surrendered dosent necessarily mean sold. as shares surrendered on any given day(if sold) onto the market should reflect in the shares issued to CEDE. jmo ~Phx
1/8/04 same thing chancery surrenders 5b total issued 5b total 1/8/04 total surrendered 7,350,000,000 total issued to cede 1,350,000,000 how can that be dumping? if the shares never went to cede to dump? again 5bill of it was a wash
Posted by jellybean on :
where is this stock going. It looks like it may hit .0003 by the end of the month. You might be better off getting some Bhwk. Bhwk will be at .0009 by Friday.
Posted by Ric on :
I know that there was people involved in this scam. There had to be people to help hide the money. Whether UC started the company with this in mind or the so called bad guys talked him into it afterwords it doesn't matter now. We know it started when he stopped filing at least. But the evidence is clear that UC was involved. But it still won't stop this from being revoked. Now can you sue these people and make some lawyers rich, who knows. But you don't become this big of a crook and not know how to hide the money. The stock is worthless and will be worthless. Now what can you get out of suits? I will make a prediction that you would be better off with .00004. Because as with all cases like this, the lawyer gets paid and the ones that got the shaft still get the shaft.
Posted by jellybean on :
Thanks fo letting me know the stock is worthless. I was going to dump some cash into it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
More from PHX
problem is as time goes on as you check the numbers they still wash but a new element is added it washes with edwards companies issuances verses chancery surrenders. thats where edwards got sloppy imo. the death spiral wasnt going fast enough so imo he started dumping his shares because he knew there was an anti dilution clause connected to chancery. see i think at the point the washes started with edwards companies instead of just swapping. he was going in for the kill. that began around aug/04 look at the pattern. thats when i think uc raised the a/s to 800b and revenue sources were worked out so when we hit the cellar we could manage to sit there till uc unwound the old deal w/ chancery. jmo see the only way death spiral financing kills is if you need to sell shares to survive. ~Phx
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by jellybean: Thanks fo letting me know the stock is worthless. I was going to dump some cash into it.
You may be looking him up again soon, jellybean. Just to say "thank you". LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
PHX misses 1 point...the mm's role in the market. to be able to be a mm for a company you must provide a bid & ask at all times. you must honor that bid & ask even if there is no buyer or seller to match an incoming trade. thus whoever surrenders 1 billion shares or sells them into the market but there is no buyer for those shares except the mm on bid. this mm by law has to buy these shares. they may not be sold to an investor for weeks thus not get into cede for weeks. mm's hold shares but not in cede. this is the same rule that allows NSS, by law they must sell shares at ask to anyone that puts a buy order even if they do not hold shares. in short an issued stock by the company upon surrender does not go directly into cede unless a private investor buys that share.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, if the MM buys the shares, they still go to CEDE in a normal transaction. The MM's act just like any other buyer. Try again later.
Posted by bill1352 on :
no they dont legal...mm's have their own accounts. why do you think there are companies like computer services on cmkx's master list. they take those dumped shares & spread them around the mm world. maybe i am wrong but i dont think so. it sure seems i read this in a book on understanding the market & how to make cash trading a few yrs ago.
Posted by Ric on :
Shoot been gone all day. Didn't realize that I pizzed in someones koolaid today. Was hit with two 1's today. Someone must have been holding a grudge until I wouldn't realize who they were, lol.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'd give ya a 1 Ric but they only let ya vote once....lol
Posted by Ric on :
Shoot I get to give 2 votes, lol.
Posted by Upside on :
I'm not allowed to vote anymore. Must have given out too many one stars. Just ask Will.
Posted by Ric on :
Listening to frizzy right now, he is live on Pal Talk. He's tap dancing around the UC question. But he seems the say that UC isn't the company but Stiecklien would have to go after UC not him.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
So I see the Barchart opinion link on NSDM is looking pretty good.
Posted by Ric on :
I haven't seen that much trash talk about someone since watching WWF or a thread Momo started. lol
I guess they didn't like what Frizzy had to say. He thinks Acca is full of it and didn't rule it out but inferred that the sting theory was just that a theory. So he pizzed off two groups. The ones that believe a sting and the one that believes there is a super secret settlement that only Acca and Jay are privy too.
I really can't believe how many ACCA lovers there are. Did all the idiots in the world find Willy's room or did Willy just hunt them down.
He gave them facts and all they could come up with is he got it from the SEC. But were did the SEC get this stuff? Wasn't it from CMKX? So why did CMKX only give the SEC bad things? Geeze, I can't believe some of these people can operate a computer. I am sorry but this is so silly.
Posted by Ric on :
Posted by Ric on :
I still don't get it. These people say that they trust UC 100%. All you have to do is meet him to see how much he cares.
What do these people think great con men do? If they weren't that good at making people trust them they never could con so many out of there money. You can't con money out of people if you are a obvious crook. You do it by making yourself look like the most caring and trusting person on earth.
Oh well, like most things in the penny market, most refuse to listen. They only learn from being burnt. Just hope some don't lose everything on this burning. Except for these scammers like ACCA, and Jay. I wish they could lose everything for what thy have done.
Posted by bill1352 on :
trouble is a lot of ppl have put everything into cmkx. thats why they trust UC, they have no choice. either they trust him or they quit lying to themselves & except they were fools putting everything into a penny stock. they willingly ruined themselves financially. UC picked on low income dreamers. ppl that live paycheck to paycheck & want to give themselves & family better. i bet even UC is baffled by the cult. i bet he had no idea that ppl would put everything into cmkx. he doesn't seem smart enough to come up with this thing by himself, no doubt outside forces moved him along but he did it. he is the person responsible for letting it happen. he was the one at the races pumping the stock. he was the 1 lying on radio about company records. he was the guy in charge of making sure everything was in order. if frizzy is honest, the OG goes bye-bye because as we have said many times, honest, facts & logic have no place in the cmkx soap opera.
Posted by legaleagle on :
NASD IS PROBING NAKED SHORT SALES
By: jcline 08 Sep 2005, 08:59 AM EDT Msg. 256599 of 256599 Jump to msg. # NASD IS PROBING NAKED SHORT SALES By RODDY BOYD
If the National Association of Securities Dealers has its way, the naked shorts will be forced to cover up.
The NASD has requested data from the stock-lending operations of Wall Street giants in a bid to get to the bottom of what one regulator has called an epidemic of so-called naked shorting.
The requests went out to dealers large and small, from Morgan Stanley to Janney Montgomery Scott.
Naked shorting occurs when a short seller hoping to profit from a decline in a stock's price fails to borrow shares prior to establishing the position.
The practice has the potential to swamp thinly traded stocks with sell orders; numerous companies have argued that naked shorting has forced their stock prices below minimum listing requirements.
While always technically illegal, the Securities and Exchange Commission enacted Regulation SHO in January to curb the practice once and for all.
One individual at a large Wall Street firm that received the NASD's request said that it focused on stock loans resulting in trades that do not settle properly.
Regulators and anti-naked shorting advocates argue that dealers lend out more shares than are publicly available to trade.
An SEC official confirmed that no complaints have been brought in the nine months since Regulation SHO went into effect.
One avenue where additional pressure will be put on the Feds to act is the state level.
Ralph Lambiase, the head of the Connecticut division of securities and business investments, is said to be heading up an 11-state task force designed to crack down on the practice.
The task force, under the auspices of the North American Securities Administrators Association, and consisting of state securities regulators from all 50 states and Canada, is plotting strategy in meetings this week.
One state securities regulator, Bill Reilly of Florida, said he expected the increased effort would result in more voluntary compliance from dealers, as well as enforcement activity.
This from the guy who is supposed to keep us informed....just another bottom-feeder.
Posted by Ric on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In my attempt to continue to find out what is true and what isn’t true with what CMKX has released in its press releases, I sent Ben Goldak an email questioning him on his services for the magnetic and non-magnetic anomalies Urban had him do. Back when THAT press release came out, I bought more shares based on the press release. Now I wonder if that was a good decision or not.
Below is the email exchange between me and Mr. Goldak.
-----Original Message----- From: xxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:20 AM To: Ben Goldak Subject: SERVICES
Dear Mr. Goldak,
My name is XXXX. I hold a large position as a shareholder of CMKX (Casavant Mining) of which Mr. Urban Casavant hired you to do some surveys of property he holds the mineral rights to in Canada. Mr. Casavant released a pr last year talking about some hundreds of magnetic and non-magnetic anomalies that were found by your company on the property in Canada.
Urban's press release suggested that this land has potential high value and a high probability of a big diamond find. After that press release of your survey, I invested several thousands of dollars more into CMKX.
Recently there are many questionable things coming to light on CMKX. We are also on the verge of revocation. I am extremely concerned that I will lose a large amount of money that I invested. Most of which happened because of that press release.
Can you tell me if you supported and/or agreed with the press release that he put out? Or do you think it was inflated to "pump" the company.
Thank you for whatever you can share. My wife is very worried now.
I was not asked to specifically endorse any news releases, but I did review one about a year ago that was technically correct, but a bit misleading in the use of the terminology. I suggested some changes that were not adopted.
Posted by pensandoenti67 on :
OT Check out the volume on MEGJ
Running crazy... someone said it hasn't surpassed 5 Milion in a long time. 14 Million last 30 minutes:
I have no more money, waahhh
loaded on IBZT and CLXN
Posted by ed19363 on :
Makes it sound as though Goldak did NOT approve of the release. Changes in terminology can make a huge difference in meaning. Cant blame Goldak, it still comes back on UC's shoulders.
Posted by Lemus on :
Anybody know what I can get for this POS? I want to unload my shares and take my loss, before this thing gets revoked.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Been trading around .00004, never over .0001
Posted by bill1352 on :
no reason to call goldtac...the 8k gave a number....16...not hundreds.
ok we have the cmkx brief, i'm guessing but i doubt the sec will take the full time allowed but i bet its right up to the due date on cmkx's final reply. once revoked i bet we never hear another word from cmkx.
Posted by legaleagle on :
IT SEEMS TO BE SPREADING.
CMKX ~ What if…
By: Bellingus 08 Sep 2005, 06:52 PM EDT Msg. 256794 of 256821 Jump to msg. # CMKX ~ What if… …the CEO of a certain mining and exploration company secured extremely valuable mineral rights to millions of acres of land? And to fund his company, what if that CEO made a deal with a group of “investors” with a hidden history for stock manipulation to provide him with seed capital? And what if these investors had more than 85 percent of the company’s stock and would retain that percentage even if the authorized shares were to increase dramatically?
And what if that CEO suddenly realized that he was in danger of losing the company and claims to the unscrupulous financiers and sought the help of certain individuals who would be able to help him make things right? And realizing that the original “backers” held restricted stock - but that they also had a legal team that could lift the trading restriction allowing them to dump massive amounts of the stock for quick and big money - what if the CEO’s “team” suggested that to catch big fish one needs big bait and increased the authorized shares to nearly a trillion? Might that cause the original “investors” to salivate with uncontrollable greed? Would that be a suitable trap for such people?
Now, what if because of certain high-level connections of one of the elder “team” members certain law enforcement agencies were watching all of this? And what if all of this activity was being carefully documented and monitored by investigators both private and federal? And what if these investigators noticed that certain shady factions of the penny markets and chat board touts for the “investors” were working with these tricky “financiers” to help them get the best price for their recently “unrestricted” shares?
And… what if investigators of the private variety working closely with the “team” finally confronted these “investors” with proof of all that had occurred and asked them nicely to surrender, (gee, there’s that word again) the shares back to the company or provide the company with the capital do so or face criminal charges that would send them to jail for years? What if a tug-o-war confrontation like that were actually taking place at this very moment?
Finally, what if people with little understanding of the markets and even less understanding of the intricate details of conspiracy and stock fraud misinterpreted what was happening and thought that the CEO was actually the one committing the crimes? What if these fearful people understood what was really going on? Would they be less fearful? Would they relax and let the "team" finish what they've started?
Posted by will on :
What if the Queen had balls ? She'd be King !
Posted by duediligence1 on :
Yeah there are those that are coping Accadacca's story to. Doesn't make any of them true. At least there are facts that show the real story. But there are those that believe MJ doesn't like little boys and that OJ didn't kill his wife.
If it smells like it and looks like it then it probably is.
Occum's razor: If there are several possible explanations for some observation, and no significant evidence to judge the validity of those hypotheses, you should always use the simplest explanation possible. Occum's razor is also known as the principle of parsimony – scientists should make no more assumptions or assume no more causes than are absolutely necessary to explain their observations.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"And realizing that the original “backers” held restricted stock - but that they also had a legal team that could lift the trading restriction allowing them to dump massive amounts of the stock for quick and big money -..." --------------------
And what if one of that legal team named Dvorak gave an opinion of counsel to shares of CMKX for Urban Casavant?
will, didn't you know the Queen does have balls?
Posted by Ric on :
Funny, Need audio. Legal may want to put finger in ear to hear this. But anyone that would post a head up someones azz shouldn't be offended.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Funny, Need audio. Legal may want to put finger in ear to hear this. But anyone that would post a head up someones azz shouldn't be offended.
This post is courtesy of "RBITULSA" he is helping me on "PROJECT 100" As the longest shareholder in this stock I have sought information for validation becuase I went thru it & did not understand what happend. - - - I bring this to you because contrary to volumes of bad sounding information about UC. This "annotated" email will go a long way to understanding CMKX current problem.
On Thursday, I emailed Jarvis requesting information relative his acquisition and subsequent sale of the CMKI shell. On Friday afternoon, he called me at my office. He was very congenial and forthright, and appeared to be sincere with his answers. He did ask up front if I was with the SEC or any other government agency. I explained to John that I was independantly researching strategic delivery failures, that my overall interest was to gain a better understanding manipulative trading and financing, and that CMKX was quite the fascinating case study. The conversation lasted about 30 minutes.
The CMKI shell has been controlled by three different groups: The initial group appears to have been lead by an individual named Samuel Singal.This is true Jarvis later purchased the shell and then sold it to the "current owners".
Jarvis described Cybermark as "basically a laser tag company; a warehouse in Canada, with some technology and a few people". Jarvis said the company had some "VR technology that I was interested in". When he initially reviewed the company, it appeared that the "liabilities were balanced - the assets and liabilities were basically a wash".]This is also true & important as to state company was in in 2000 Jarvis said it was not long after his acquisition that he learned that there had been some "let's just call it creative financing", some "debts that were not recorded" or disclosed at the time he acquired the shell. He also made referrence to two S-8 deals that he inferred were initiated by Singal. Jarvis said "it didn't take long for us to figure out the shell was a bust. They had raped the community and the public." Jarvis said the filings were deliquent when he bought the shell, and had already spent "a whole lot of money" getting the books current. But the past "creative financing" deals were going to cost him "hundreds of thousands to clean up". Jarvis said during this time the O/S had grown to over 50 million shares, and "shareholder value went down by over 70%". Jarvis said he "sought counsel from the SEC" but they "couldn't care less", and "suggested I find a good securities attorney". Never-the-less, Jarvis had the "VR technology" that he needed, and began meeting with potential buyers for the shell.At this time I held 1m@ .0006after a 10:1 split in 10/01
According to Jarvis, he was approached by an "outside agency" from Las Vegas. I asked him for the name of this outside agency, but he would only reply that it was "really a group, a conglomerate of people".THE SELLERS He said several other people had interest in the shell, but the Las Vegas group showed the greatest "financial capability" to maintain the shell. Jarvis added that he was assured that they would "stay on the OTC", and he was "shocked that they would even consider a forward split" and, Jarvis assumed, if anything, they would reverse split, noting that he felt 50 million shares was too many.
At this point, Jarvis referred me back to the email I had sent him the previous evening, specifically to the list of names I had included (John Edwards, David Coffey, David Desormeau, Chris Jenson, Gary Walters, and NevWest Securities). I had also written the following in my email to Jarvis: "If there were “up-front” agreements or conditions at the time of Urban’s acquisition of the CMKI, or if there were pre-existing or concurrent equity financing arrangements, or share-structure conditions, your advice would be appreciated." CRITICALbegin-1 Jarvis repeatedly emphasized the point that, while Urban Casavant was "mentioned in the presentation", and was "part of the deal", Urban was never present at any of several meetings between the parties, which took place at his attorneys office, nor did he ever speak to Urban at any time during the sale of the shell. Jarvis says that at all of the meetings, Gary Walters was the "promoter of the deal". In addition to the meetings, all phone calls made relative the "conglomerate's presentation and acquisition" were between Jarvis and Walters. Jarvis further explained that deal, as presented to him, was for CMKI to "be a holding vehicle for several entities that would be pulled together". He commented that he was surprised when the "diamond mining basically took over CMKI". He was surprised that the FALC claims came into the CMKI shell. He again stated that this was not how the deal was pitched to him. CRITICALend
As I recollect it, here is a rundown of the q/a when I asked Jarvis about "the other names":
Edwards: "There were always several people at the meetings, so he may have been one of those there, but I don't remember him being there" Desormeau: "Never heard of him" (note: he even badly mispronounced his name) Coffey: "Never heard of him" Jensen: "Never heard of him" NevWest: "I know of NevWest, but have no idea if they were involved somehow" NOW speaking about 14c I brought up the cusip change, and the cancellation of the preferred shares that occured after "the conglomerate" had bought the shell. Jarvis replied that he was not involved at all with the company at that time, and had no idea why that happened. He added that it is common after acquisitions to "draw a line" between the old and the new shares, and speculated that it could have also been done to get out from under "those old creative financing deals".
There was some small talk that followed. Jarvis said that I was not the first to have called him about CMKX. He also said, as if he was surprised by it, that he has never been contacted by the SEC or any other agency, about CMKX. He advised me that, if I really wanted to get more information on CMKX, I should contact the SEC.
My Comments:(RBITULSA)
Jarvis makes his case that the CMKI shell was corrupt from the beginning, but it still looks unlikely (if Jarvis is being forthright), that any current problems are linked to problems that existed prior, or during, the latest acquisition. However, I believe that Samual Singal should be looked into, along with the "sophisticated investors" mentioned in the early CMKI 10Q's, on the outside (an unlikely) chance that the original "creative financeers" might be linked to Edwards or Walters or Hackman. CRITICALbegin-2 It is, in my opinion, very significant that Gary Walters, not Urban, was the lead in the purchase of the CMKI shell. I never could understand how or why a "Rupert Perrin" would be named to the board of a diamond mining company. It does not appear to me that Urban has ever been in control of CMKI/CMKX.CRITICALendThis verifys that 14c states UC is AGENT between Sell er who are running comapny & Claims-AS agent SELLERS Manipulated UC
In terms of Jarvis' description of this deal, it leads me to look at other filings, PR's, and other D/D, and surmize the following: It is my opinion that CMKX was to be a holding (parent) vehicle for at least the following shells: Microsignal (Nanosignal), Barrington Foods (USCA), Mirador (later replaced with SGGM), Juina Mining, CIM, and PCBM/SRCI. I would further assume that it was not long after the acquisition that the claims in the FALC became larger than the conglomerate as a whole, and the "strategy" was changed accordingly, and possibly to the chagrin of some.
The question I find most important, is as follows: What is it that links all these different entities together. What is the common element amongst all of them. Did they all share the same lender? The same broker? The same attorney? How did it come about that the above mentioned companies became linked together in a plan to be held under CMKI as a holding vehicle (who really owns the holding vehicle? I think the T/A data helps answer the question.
Noting that these notes and comments assume that Jarvis was sincere and forthright, I hope it helps with the general "big picture", and helps to put other issues in context.
Other notes: From the 14C we know that Urban acquired most all of the original 14C claims between March and September of 2001. (Only a few claims by Morgain Minerals were acquired after September of 2001 – relative to the 14C claims).
CMKI was purchased by “the Vegas group” on September 30, 2001; AFTER UC had acquired most of the 14C claims.
The 14C majority shareholders were without question the same “Vegas group” (with Walters as lead promoter) that bought the shell from Jarvis. They were the one’s financing Urban going back as far as March 2001, 6 months before they acquired the CMKI shell, and 20 months prior to the release of the 14C.
In order to effectuate the merger with the Casavant Mineral Claims, the majority shareholders' holding more than 51% of the voting shares approved an increase in the authorized capital of the Company from 500,000,000 to 10,000,000,000 with the cancellation of all Preferred shares. Prior to this action, the Company had 3,000,000 preferred shares authorized with 1 Preferred share issued and outstanding. This Preferred share had been purchased by the majority shareholders in 2001 for $235,000 from the Jarvis Entertainment Group, Inc., thereby giving them voting control of the Company.
(6) Majority Shareholders (not including Urban Casavant and the Casavant Family) consists of individuals, corporations, trusts and other legal entities which do not control more than 4.9% of the Company's shares per shareholder. The Majority Shareholders acquired their shares by purchase in consideration of $2,000,000 in cash and the forbearance of monies due them for loans and services rendered in connection with the Casavant Mineral Claims and their assignment to the Company. ---------- As I gathered more data today it seems logical to me to offer this: 1-Urban has never been a great seasoned CEO 2-SELLERS understood this but needed claims and UC was thier ticket 3-UC was looking for claim money 4- UC is really an Explorer 5-Conviently for sellers they got UC to agree to head the company, where they found it easy to manipulate him. 6-SELLERS did illegal acts and covered it up(like they had done in many companys in past 7-URBAN FOUND OUT 8-URBAN called someone for help(insert noahltl) recent post"STING or SCAM
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Posted by coldmoney on :
Is it true that the bid price of this stock is indeed .00005 Yes 5 o's and a 5????
Posted by imakmony2005 on :
This ? is for RIC,LEAGLE,WALLLACE,BILL, AND CREW How do MM hold down a stock??? and i mean QBID. THANKS.MONEY
Posted by coldmoney on :
When people say a MM is holding down a stock they mean shorting it. Shorting is when MM's sell shares that they do not have which would kill the stock in the long run. Alot of people seem to believe that's what is happening to this company but infact it's all the shares o/s I believe it's 705b shares. Market makers have way to many share's in hand for people to buy and for them to uptick the stock... They have so many shares they aren't even setting a bid price. Why would they want to buy your shares when they already have 400m in hand?
Posted by coldmoney on :
In the case of QBID the sell to buy ratio tends to be 12:1 with 87% of the volume in the stock being sells. That being the case there is no way a stock can uptrend if you have more buys then sells and the market maker having more shares then investors themself..
Posted by imakmony2005 on :
coldmoney, you think QBID has 705b shares are CMKX?
Posted by coldmoney on :
I am sorry I didn't read your question correctly. CMKX has those shares not QBID. QBID's O/S is high but not that high.
Posted by imakmony2005 on :
Thanks Coldmoney, please keep it coming guys.
Posted by coldmoney on :
I remember when QBID had alot of support at .0031 in feb-mar and they added more shares and forced the PPS down to where it is now. Even on good news QBID would uptick a few points then people start to hit the bid to take profit which doesn't give the stock a chance to run. Alot of people buy a stock soley on DD but you really need to know the volume and share structure of a stock.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by coldmoney: Is it true that the bid price of this stock is indeed .00005 Yes 5 o's and a 5????
That sounds about right cold.
Posted by coldmoney on :
Legal what are these people going to do? I am hearing stories of people not being able to get out. And I know alot of people have thousands and thousands of dollars in this stock. They look at the CMKX car and think the stock is legit, but what they don't know they bought that car with there money. =(
Posted by bill1352 on :
your wrong coldmoney...the cmkx cult is glad they bought that car. it was a great marketing tool...now if only they had been marketing diamonds not shares of cmkx.
also mm's can hold a pps down by trading between themselves. say a run is starting if mm A sells a bunch of trades to mm B those watching see a sell off starting thus they sell. it also happens in reverse when mm's want a stock to run.
Posted by Ric on :
I see Frizzy is breaking the law again. SEC loves this kind of stuff. They already warned him once about dissemination of information. This is a public company and it doesn't matter if he is a lawyer with clients. If the information is about the company and is important the its insider info. Frizzy may want to call Martha up and talk to her about this. lol
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Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by coldmoney: Legal what are these people going to do? I am hearing stories of people not being able to get out. And I know alot of people have thousands and thousands of dollars in this stock. They look at the CMKX car and think the stock is legit, but what they don't know they bought that car with there money. =(
Cold it's a really long story to try and condense re: CMKX. People can't get out because they don't want to sell at a loss. That is a wise thing to do right now (hold) , because the whole story hasn't been told.
CMKX is unlike any stock, ever, in the history of the market. I think even the bashers will agree to that.
So, you can't apply the normal rules of investing. Not even the normal rules of manipulation by MM's. The rules all get broken, even by the SEC, DTCC and MM's. Have you ever heard of a stock trading in 5 digits? Why would that be? Have you ever heard of Ameritrade buying 135 billion shares directly from the company because they can't trust the DTCC to have certs? No all the rules are being broken on this one, and a smart investor has to ask why?
Posted by coldmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: your wrong coldmoney...the cmkx cult is glad they bought that car. it was a great marketing tool...now if only they had been marketing diamonds not shares of cmkx.
also mm's can hold a pps down by trading between themselves. say a run is starting if mm A sells a bunch of trades to mm B those watching see a sell off starting thus they sell. it also happens in reverse when mm's want a stock to run.
That can be done but at these prices MM wll not be making any money in doing so. They also have to many shares to want to start a fake run on this stock. This stock is dead in a puddel of a rain drop of water. It's like trying to safe a whale in a 5 by 10 swinging pool. To many shares held by the MM's The key to keep a stock moving is to make sure the public has most of the shares so the MM's can bid up and force us to sell. Thus the meaning of a an uptick on the bid. That's when the MM's try to cover shares lost on the ask price. People can DD all they want but since the symbol change the stock has not uptick and it will flatline this way until the company buy's shares back. And as far as the car goes how did that help shareholders? All it did was get new people stuck into a stock that is trading under .0001
Posted by coldmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by coldmoney: Legal what are these people going to do? I am hearing stories of people not being able to get out. And I know alot of people have thousands and thousands of dollars in this stock. They look at the CMKX car and think the stock is legit, but what they don't know they bought that car with there money. =(
Cold it's a really long story to try and condense re: CMKX. People can't get out because they don't want to sell at a loss. That is a wise thing to do right now (hold) , because the whole story hasn't been told.
CMKX is unlike any stock, ever, in the history of the market. I think even the bashers will agree to that.
So, you can't apply the normal rules of investing. Not even the normal rules of manipulation by MM's. The rules all get broken, even by the SEC, DTCC and MM's. Have you ever heard of a stock trading in 5 digits? Why would that be? Have you ever heard of Ameritrade buying 135 billion shares directly from the company because they can't trust the DTCC to have certs? No all the rules are being broken on this one, and a smart investor has to ask why?
I would guess because of all the interest behind the stock. The key thing here is the share count. Do you know how muc money the MM's will have to give out if this stock even upticks? Everyone will be in line to sell there share's that firms will go broke even if they tried to fill one complete order on the bid. People see the stock and it's price and say I am going to be rich. The time you spent waiting on CMKX you could of played RNVO on it's uptrend and it's bounce. No one can say they have made money off of this stock since it had it's symmbol change. SO many plays have ran and made people money while be are sitting on there hand's waiting for some kind of uptick.
Posted by bill1352 on :
has anyone involved with cmkx not broken the laws? legal wants ppl to believe the SEC has, well i haven't seen any broken by them. a couple laws should have been inforced a whole lot sooner like not letting them get away with filing 2 gonna be late filing forms & checking out that form 15 & making sure they were up to date on filing when that form 15 came out as is required. hakala did point out they expect & require companies to be honest in their filings be you would think they would run a quick check on a few things. still with all the forms filed everyday by a few thousand companies it would take massive manpower to check every form that came in. there should be some sort of software that will flag certain things. had the 2 gonna be lates been caught we wouldn't be here posting about the scam of a lifetime.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well, a bunch of agreements showing john edwards got a lot of shares but nothing there says UC didn't give him those shares. at best its a toss up, either UC is in on the stock scam or he is a bafoon whose lack of attention & brains allowed cmkx to be financially raped. both leave the same result, a company with so many shares it will never have any hope of value. the lack of records would indictate UC was in on the swindle.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal: "Cold it's a really long story to try and condense re: CMKX. People can't get out because they don't want to sell at a loss. That is a wise thing to do right now (hold) , because the whole story hasn't been told." --------------------
Legal, it is not a long story to condense. The whole story may not have been told yet, but any discriminating mind can see the demise of a pile of sh it. There are easily 10 to 15 obvious reasons CMKX is where it is and they all go back to Urban Casavant and his actions, his inactions, his managerial incompetence as CEO, his lies and misinformation, his dealings with unsavory associates, his confilcts of interest dealings with his own family and associated companies and certain people, his probable misappropriation of company funds and other serious issues contrary to shareholders' basic interests (let alone their best interests).
To tell someone it "is a wise thing to hold right now" is ridiculous and a disservice to anyone reading a post such as yours. You have been brainwashed to the point of radicalism when it comes to CMKX.
You stated "people can't get out because they don't want to sell at a loss". When there is no other alternative other that a 100% loss, then any loss other than that is a wise move. The fact is, they CAN get out, but unfortunately, people like yourself keep their wild dreams alive. They would rather accept your la la land than admit they made a serious mistake holding on to CMKX.
Holding on to CMKX is NOT a wise move under any circumstances. It is downright stupidity.
Posted by Ric on :
Hey, if any might want to sell there useless CIM there is someone on the PB board wanting to buy it. She is one of Willy Lizards brainwashed. She has been convinced by Willy and his pet dog Acca that CIM will IPO for big bucks. ROFLOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I agree with Ric about the inside information thing. I think Frizzell is pretty much on the up and up, but to diseminate informtion to one group that is not available to other shareholders is against the law. There is no question about it. That would enable OG members to take action on said information to the disadvantage of other stockholders. It would not matter if the information was positive or negative....same inequities. Rather than providing a certain group with information others do not possess, he has a legal obligation to release it to all.
Posted by Ric on :
And it also puts his clients at risk. Because they now have insider information and could technically be charged with insider information. Just ask Martha, lol. He was warned by Hakala and Stoecklein once about this but thats what you get when you have a trail lawyer doing security law. Hey I was a electronic technician but it would be hard for me to fix a piece of equipment that I knew nothing about. Of course if I had the tech manual it would be easy but they are not as large as the law books on security law. Thats why you have specialist in it.
Posted by coldmoney on :
Aren't we missing the main point here. Forget the company for 1 sec. Talk about the o/s why so many?
Posted by Ric on :
Because it is easier to sell shares then to explore for minerals. Thats why the drag car said Got CMKX not Got CMKM. They were selling shares for a living on dreams of diamonds. Exploration cost is huge. And with CMKX being 36 million in debt how will they pay to drill? Slap 16 holes in the ground and buy property right beside Debeers for property they didn't take and sell 778 billion shares. Buy a house and a hummer in Las Vegas and play the slots. Pay some big names to be listed in the company and don't tell them anything to make it look legit. Then blame it on everyone else and claim to be working on the problem knowing you threw away the records so you can keep the ill gotten gains.
New slogan "Diamonds are a scams best friend"
quote:Originally posted by coldmoney: Aren't we missing the main point here. Forget the company for 1 sec. Talk about the o/s why so many?
Posted by legaleagle on :
And yet still in business. Still trading. Still walking the streets. Are our SEC and law enforcement officials that stupid?
Posted by coldmoney on :
Ric ver well said. People seem not to be able to take that in. For the final kill they will r/s and everyone will be happy at the end. They don't understand that CEO's are in this to make money for themself not even the company. They issue all those shares and get a really good IR person to feed you crap. Then down the line S8 then R/S then make another company and people fall for the same crap. I read all this DD and it's really put into place to make your mouth water while you forget to see how many shares o/s there is..... I mean you have 2 rooms on paltalk with a total of maybe 700 people who are in this scam saying the stock is real because they had a race car. Is that the only reason why you believe the company isn't a fraud?
Posted by coldmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: And yet still in business. Still trading. Still walking the streets. Are our SEC and law enforcement officials that stupid?
What is the SEC going to do? It appears from what RIC posted is CMKX are using investors money to be able to drill for jewels. Doesn't mean they ever will. Trust me they have more then enough money to do so. After no more volume comes into the company r/s and shut down....
[ September 11, 2005, 00:12: Message edited by: Doctoall ]
Posted by CAPTNEMOS on :
this stock should be put down like a bad horse,WORTHLESS,GET REAL PEOPLE THIS STOCK IS A JUNKER,WAKE UP BAGHOLDERS!!!!
Posted by coldmoney on :
Nemo kind of a harsh way to come back but yeah what you said. I mean the people in can't even get out..
Posted by pensandoenti67 on :
Same way he led so many people into WFTV (now WTVN)
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
cold,
As I said above, the people can get out! And what did you mean by the following:
"It appears from what RIC posted is CMKX are using investors money to be able to drill for jewels."
[ September 11, 2005, 00:12: Message edited by: Doctoall ]
Posted by coldmoney on :
Yup pretty much. You can not blame him because WFTV had many dips and uptrands. So he gave investors a chance to make money. don't know why people blame the person who post the play first. Alex did the r/s not Captnemo. If you look at CMKX it hasn't done nothing. No one has been able to make money. So pensandoenti67 nemo just brought the stock to our attention and it did have dips an uptrends so people made money. Those who got burned were the investors. Those always seems to one who get hurt while the daytraders make all the money
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
That's what I figured, but wasn't 100% sure.
Posted by Ric on :
If you really were in law enforcement then you know there is procedures. Most crimes that don't include murder get to stay out of jail or as in this case halted until the appeal process is complete. Then it will happen. The SEC can't revoke until the ruling is final after appeal just like a cop can't put someone in jail that is out on bail while waiting for an appeal. Even if the cop thinks they are a scumbag and need to be in jail.
Martha was out on appeal for neary 4 months after being convicted waiting on appeal. She went ahead and got her time over with instead of waiting but she might still not been in jail right now because her appeal still hasn't happened.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: And yet still in business. Still trading. Still walking the streets. Are our SEC and law enforcement officials that stupid?
Posted by coldmoney on :
Thank's for pointing that out to me. Hey quick question. I am hearing of a CEO from NO who is going to create a OTC company for the rebuilding of NO do you believe that would be a good stock to invest in. He also said he will only issue about 10m-20m shares starting around .001
Posted by Ric on :
L: Are our SEC and law enforcement officials that stupid?
R: YES, but thats a whole other topic.
Posted by coldmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: L: Are our SEC and law enforcement officials that stupid?
R: YES, but thats a whole other topic.
LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: If you really were in law enforcement then you know there is procedures. Most crimes that don't include murder get to stay out of jail or as in this case halted until the appeal process is complete. Then it will happen. The SEC can't revoke until the ruling is final after appeal just like a cop can't put someone in jail that is out on bail while waiting for an appeal. Even if the cop thinks they are a scumbag and need to be in jail.
Martha was out on appeal for neary 4 months after being convicted waiting on appeal. She went ahead and got her time over with instead of waiting but she might still not been in jail right now because her appeal still hasn't happened.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: And yet still in business. Still trading. Still walking the streets. Are our SEC and law enforcement officials that stupid?
The civil appeal procedure has nothing to do with a criminal investigation and indictment. If the Feds wanted UC they would have him in custody.
Posted by Ric on :
Shoot Michael Jackson didn't even have to be held in custody. No one knows whats going on with that. There are so many pinksheet scams and they have a huge backlog. Mario Pino should be in custody too alone with many CEO's IMO. It may or may not happen. Just because it hasn't doesn't mean it won't or that something criminal didn't happen. As with law enforcement officers. They investigate crimes all the time and know sometimes that a person is guilty. But they just don't have all the evidence they need to make an arrest.
They may be looking for a smoking gun since UC got rid of the paper trail it probably is hard. Might be the reason they are feeding Frizzell the files he has and also the reason SGGM and others are being investigated. Get all the crooks at the same time. But with the history of the enforcement in these frauds it may never happen and will be real sad.
Just remember, all they could get Al Capone for was tax evasion. One of the meanest, corrupt criminal in US history and they could not get the hard proof. Our laws are in place to protect the innocent from improper imprisonment. The problem is the crooks know how to use these laws better then we do.
[ September 11, 2005, 01:15: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
Dynamic presentation......not for the faint of heart.
Posted by coldmoney on :
I've been looking at the 9/11 shows the NG channel has had the past few days. I suggest we take a look at the History channel today for alot of good programing.
Posted by TANGO42 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Hey, if any might want to sell there useless CIM there is someone on the PB board wanting to buy it. She is one of Willy Lizards brainwashed. She has been convinced by Willy and his pet dog Acca that CIM will IPO for big bucks. ROFLOL
Why go to proborads I will also buy those shares( from original spinoff only). Get a cert and signoff medallion. I will negoitiate a price with you and make the swap thru Fedex. Silly me thinks all 20b CMKX O/S protected in CIM. Of course most of you were not around then.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"Why go to proborads I will also buy those shares( from original spinoff only). Get a cert and signoff medallion. I will negoitiate a price with you and make the swap thru Fedex. Silly me thinks all 20b CMKX O/S protected in CIM. Of course most of you were not around then. "
the original spinoff never happened. they issued the shares but then nothing. the second divy is the same stuff the first was about....20 Billion??? 20 billion was the second divy amount of CIM. the cmkx o/s is 703.5 billion as per pr, master list, & a few other sources.
Posted by Ric on :
CMKM shareholders' lawyer wants third parties pursued
2005-09-12 11:01 ET - Street Wire
Also Street Wire (U-*SEC) U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
by Lee M. Webb
CMKM Diamonds Inc., Saskatchewan native Urban Casavant's massively diluted pink sheet promotion currently involved in a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) administrative proceeding to revoke its stock registration, has received a request from Texas lawyer Bill Frizzell that the company pursue legal action against various third parties.
Mr. Frizzell, who now represents approximately 2,400 CMKM shareholders, names several individuals and levels some rather serious allegations in a Sept. 6 "shareholder derivative rights" demand letter to the company's attorney, Donald Stoecklein.
Among other things, Mr. Frizzell suggests that several of the named individuals engaged in possibly illegal transactions that resulted in the dumping of hundreds of billions of CMKM shares into the market.
Mr. Casavant, who authorized the issuance of almost 800 billion shares, many of them to himself, relatives and associates, is not among those fingered by Mr. Frizzell for legal action. However, the Texas lawyer notes that his letter "does not purport to be a complete and final list of actions that the shareholders deem to be warranted."
The lawyer
Mr. Frizzell, who also owns shares in Mr. Casavant's subpenny pink sheet promotion, offered his services to other CMKM shareholders earlier this year after the SEC launched its administrative proceeding against the company.
The lawyer had already been engaged by fellow Texan and CMKM shareholder John Martin last year, but decided to provide limited representation until a decision was rendered in the SEC proceeding to other shareholders for a modest non-refundable fee of $25 per person.
Approximately 5,500 shareholders signed up to become members of what was called the Owners Group, but according to Mr. Martin, who is closely associated with Mr. Frizzell, only 4,223 people actually anted up the fee.
Evidently at least some CMKM shareholders who did not honour the employment agreement simply could not afford to pay that $25 fee. The Owners Group website accepts PayPal payments for "membership for those shareholders who are less fortunate."
Mr. Frizzell is not a securities lawyer and, apart from CMKM, it is far from clear that he has much experience with stocks or the markets generally.
In any event, over the objections of the SEC, Mr. Frizzell was granted limited participation in the administrative proceeding on behalf of the Owners Group. During the May 10 evidentiary hearing, that limited participation was expanded to allow Mr. Frizzell to cross-examine witnesses.
Even before offering his legal services to other shareholders, Mr. Frizzell was clearly in the camp of the CMKM followers, many of whom signed on for his representation, who believe that the company has been savaged by naked short selling.
The notion that a stock with no market makers, trading at a few hundredths of a penny, with approximately 780 billion shares outstanding at one time and that has never appeared on the Regulation SHO threshold list has a significant naked short position is scoffed at by many CMKM critics, including seasoned investors familiar with pink sheet shenanigans. Mr. Frizzell and other CMKM followers think otherwise.
While the Owners Group members were hopeful that Mr. Frizzell would be able to offer some arguments regarding naked shorting during the administrative proceeding, Chief Administrative Law Judge Brenda P. Murray ruled that short selling was irrelevant to the issues to be decided and would not be considered.
Notwithstanding that ruling, following the evidentiary hearing Mr. Frizzell pursued the matter further.
Indeed, at least according to the rather slip-shod accounting offered by both Mr. Martin and Mr. Frizzell, it appears that a significant portion of the approximately $105,000 collected from shareholders was used in an effort to establish evidence of a significant short position in the stock.
Among other things, Mr. Frizzell asked shareholders to fax his law firm copies of their brokerage statements showing their CMKM holdings. The lawyer claims to have gathered up several hundred thousands of pages of documents, including statements from approximately 10,500 brokerage accounts.
Notwithstanding Judge Murray's earlier ruling regarding the irrelevance of short selling to the matter at hand, Mr. Frizzell attempted to introduce the subject of naked short selling in a posthearing brief and by way of a proposed exhibit.
The lawyer claimed that his documentation proved that there were approximately 134 billion more CMKM shares in circulation than the company had issued and, given that he had only tallied 10,500 of approximately 53,000 accounts holding CMKM shares, the number would undoubtedly increase significantly.
Mr. Frizzell's methodology and the exact nature of the calculations used in arriving at the purported proof of a significant short position are unclear and may well remain that way. Judge Murray ordered the section dealing with Mr. Frizzell's claims about naked short selling struck from his brief and the proposed exhibit was not allowed.
On July 12, Judge Murray issued her initial decision in the SEC proceeding against CMKM, determining that the company was an egregious and recurrent securities violator that was likely to continue to breach securities laws and ordering the revocation of CMKM's stock registration.
CMKM petitioned for a review of the initial decision and that petition was granted on Aug. 8.
The appeal process is still in progress, but under the terms of the $25 employment agreement Mr. Frizzell's initial representation of his CMKM shareholder clients came to an end when Judge Murray issued her decision.
Even before the initial decision was issued, Mr. Martin, who is reportedly on the hook for all attorney fees and costs not covered by contributions from other participating shareholders, was pitching the Owners Group members to ante up another $25 for a second phase of representation by Mr. Frizzell in several investigations related to CMKM.
According to the Owners Group website, 2,373 people have signed on for the second phase of representation, adding approximately $59,000 to the pot for Mr. Frizzell's services, if everyone paid the fee.
While Mr. Frizzell is still convinced that there is a large short position in the stock, he is now concerned with other transactions and "bad guys," as he frequently calls them.
Perhaps entirely coincidentally, the expansion of Mr. Frizzell's concerns became particularly evident after another CMKM shareholder obtained copies of the exhibits used in the SEC proceeding, including the company's master shareholders list showing the beneficiaries of the staggering stock issuances, and began posting the information on the Internet.
The evidence of the dumping of hundreds of billions of shares into the market, with much of the selling coming from Mr. Casavant, his relatives, acquaintances and people closely associated with the company, shook the beliefs of even some of CMKM's most faithful followers and completely destroyed some fantasies.
In the wake of the Internet disclosure of evidence from the SEC proceeding, Mr. Frizzell began rumbling about lawsuits.
In an Aug. 17 e-mail to members of the Owners Group, the Texas lawyer indicated that he was considering a bringing a lawsuit against certain unidentified parties.
"If I decide to bring any lawsuit, I will obtain permission from the shareholder that will be the named plaintiff or plaintiffs in the lawsuit," Mr. Frizzell wrote. "Any suit will not be brought on behalf of the CMKX Owners Group. There will be no individual shareholders named other than the individuals I select to bring any claims."
The lawyer went on to explain that a lawsuit on behalf of the entire Owners Group might bog the proceeding down in a two-year deposition and discovery process, resulting in a waste of time and money.
"This will not be a suit against the company nor Urban Casavant at this point in the proceedings," Mr. Frizzell remarked, perhaps in an attempt to assuage the concerns of the many CMKM shareholders who steadfastly believe that Mr. Casavant has their best interests at heart and is armed with some master plan to ensure they are all handsomely rewarded for their loyalty.
By Aug. 30, Mr. Frizzell was floating a revised plan. Remarking that the stock price was burdened by the huge amount of shares dumped into the market, Mr. Frizzell said the dilution "was wrong and illegal," but shareholders could not immediately take direct legal action in the matter.
"Under recent state and federal legislation, the legal system does not give you as a shareholder an easy route through the courts to go after those who have profited illegally from their deeds," Mr. Frizzell advised the Owners Group. "Your rights are 'derivative' of the company's rights to go after the bad guys.
"The legal term describing your rights is a 'shareholder derivative rights' cause of action.
"As a shareholder, you must first make a demand on the company to assert any claims the company has against the bad guys.
"If the company chooses not to assert their rights against the bad guys, for whatever reason, then you can proceed."
Mr. Frizzell went on to say that he would be issuing a demand letter to Mr. Stoecklein "demanding that action be taken against certain individuals that have been parties to the dilution of this company."
"I will name specifically certain individuals and request that action of specific types be taken against them," the lawyer wrote. "There will be a stated time for the company to take action. When that time passes, and no action occurs, you will have the right as shareholders to assert your rights in your own lawsuit."
Apparently the sabre-rattling about lawsuits and demands upon the company caused some dissension among members of the Owners Group. Within a few days, Mr. Martin chimed in with a few thoughts.
"I must confess that Bill and I have had a difficult time continuing to work on this case with the lack of support from some shareholders," Mr. Martin remarked. "There are those, who are armchair quarterbacks who think they have all the answers. (You all seem to have no trust in anyone.)
"There are those of you who are so caught up in UC (Urban Casavant), that you can't see what has happened (I know, because I was there); and then there are those who see blood so red, that you are willing to file a suit at any cost for revenge."
After acknowledging "the truly supportive group of hundreds of shareholders," sketching Mr. Frizzell's dedicated efforts with little financing and touching on some of the distressing "calls almost daily from those who fear they have lost everything," Mr. Martin offered his summary of the CMKM saga.
"Several years ago, some seriously evil people took advantage of Urban Cassavant (sic)," Mr. Martin wrote. "Evidently, UC bought a dirty shell when he formed CMKI (predecessor to CMKM).
"That means there was very fine print, which would cause him many problems in the future: Problems that forced him to pay extortionists along the way, i.e. a dilution agreement and toxic financing.
"We feel, and hopefully will not be proved wrong, that UC is not the mastermind who diluted this stock. We believe it was done to keep up with the agreements in the contract."
Mr. Martin went on to claim that he and Mr. Frizzell were "in the process of investigating the extortionists."
"We think they deserve to pay for what they have done," Mr. Martin continued. "They are present in dozens of other companies, and are doing the same thing to them. Their day is almost over!!
"We believe that once they are out of the way, UC will then be able to do the right thing and do whatever he must to give his shareholders their due."
A few days after Mr. Martin penned his missive, Mr. Frizzell issued his Sept. 6 demand letter to Mr. Stoecklein.
While certainly provocative in its own right, Mr. Frizzell's demand letter does not identify or contain any references to the mysterious dark forces of so-called extortionists and "seriously evil people" mentioned in Mr. Martin's rant.
The letter
"In several of our conversations you have reminded me that you are the attorney for CMKM Diamonds Inc. and that your representation does not necessarily involve representation of any particular officer or director individually," Mr. Frizzell wrote. "I am writing this letter to you as the attorney for CMKM Diamonds Inc."
The Texas lawyer went on to ask Mr. Stoecklein to bring the letter to the attention of CMKM's board of directors, comprised of Robert Maheu and Mr. Casavant, for action by the company.
"In 2004 over 600 billion shares of CMKM Diamonds Inc. common stock was issued by the company," Mr. Frizzell noted. "The issuance of these shares caused significant dilution of the shareholders stock. The stock has not yet recovered from the effects of this dilution.
"Many of the company shareholders have been involved in the investigation of the transactions that led to the issuances of stock last year in such large quantities.
"On behalf of the above mentioned shareholders I suggest that certain third parties have committed acts that give rise to legal liability to the company."
With that, Mr. Frizzell set about identifying several parties and levelling allegations of misconduct.
It should be emphasized that Mr. Frizzell's allegations and pointed suggestions of illegal activity are not proven.
Moreover, while some of the allegations apparently turn on information made available to Mr. Frizzell during the discovery process in the SEC administrative proceeding, it is clear that some of the Texas lawyer's claims are based on information and interpretations offered by unidentified CMKM shareholders whose qualifications are entirely unknown.
Further, some of the information presented in Mr. Frizzell's letter and elsewhere is flatly wrong.
The $2-billion man
Mr. Frizzell first identifies John Michael Edwards, claiming that a "review of one complaint filed with the SEC shows that Mr. Edwards was instrumental in obtaining some early financing of the company's activities."
"Mr. Edwards has been identified as an individual that opened in excess of 36 trust accounts at Nev West Securities since his involvement with the company," Mr. Frizzell claims.
"Certificates have been issued to an additional 20 companies that have addresses in Langley, B.C., which are purportedly owned or controlled by John Edwards," the lawyer continues. "All addresses have been traced to mail drops as opposed to physical addresses in both Las Vegas and Langley, B.C."
While exhibits from the SEC evidentiary hearing show that shares were issued to approximately 20 entities using mailboxes at two Langley malls, those exhibits do not indicate that Mr. Edwards controlled the Langley companies, nor was any testimony to that effect given at the hearing.
According to Mr. Frizzell, CMKM began issuing shares to Mr. Edwards's trusts as early as 2002.
"It is clear through the company's master shareholder list that these trust accounts were the vehicle for dumping hundreds of billions of shares onto the market," Mr. Frizzell alleges. "Many of these shares were restricted shares and should never have been dumped on the market."
Given that Mr. Frizzell does not identify the trust accounts allegedly operated by Mr. Edwards, his claim that the accounts were used to dump hundreds of billions of shares cannot be checked. It is clear from the master shareholder list, however, that hundreds of billions of shares were unloaded, with Mr. Casavant and members of his family accounting for a significant portion of the dumping.
"This dumping occurred at a time when the company was conveying good news about the company's progress to the innocent but unknowing public," Mr. Frizzel continues.
It is not at all clear whether Mr. Frizzell recognizes that his allegations convey a scenario with more than a passing resemblance to a classic "pump-and-dump" operation, which is very rarely orchestrated without the assistance of company insiders.
The Texas lawyer then serves up a snippet that may well raise significant concerns about the quality of his information.
"Recently it was learned that Mr. Edwards had amassed $2-billion worth of Crown Financial stock," Mr. Frizzell claims. "Crown Financial was one of the most active market makers of CMKX stock when hundreds of billions of shares of stock were suddenly dumped on the market."
While Crown may indeed have been active in executing transactions involving shares of CMKM, just where Mr. Frizzell came up with the notion that Mr. Edwards had amassed $2-billion worth of Crown stock is something of a mystery.
Crown shuttered its trading activities and market making entirely in February of this year and its stock sporadically changes hands on the pink sheets for less than five cents per share.
According to SEC filings, in March and April of this year Mr. Edwards purchased a total of 6,758 preferred shares of Crown priced at $148 per share through two entities that he controls for a total cost of just over $1-million, a far cry from the $2-billion worth of stock that Mr. Frizzell claims was amassed.
Mr. Edwards's 6,758 preferred Crown shares are convertible into a total of 6,758,000 common shares. If the shares were in fact converted, then at Crown's recent closing price of four cents per share, Mr. Edwards's disclosed holdings would carry a value of $270,320.
The source of Mr. Frizzell's information or the exact nature of the fuzzy math used to parlay Mr. Edwards's Crown shares into purported holdings valued at a whopping $2-billion may well remain something of a mystery.
After serving up his dubious Crown claims, Mr. Frizzell moves on to an arguably more disturbing matter involving the hundreds of billions of CMKM shares allegedly dumped through Mr. Edwards's trust accounts.
"There is evidence that portions of the funds from the sale of these securities were returned to the company and/or some of the company insiders via wire transfers and other deposits," Mr. Frizzell claims.
Perhaps unknown to Mr. Frizzell, with the addition of that allegation, the scenario now bears more than a passing resemblance to a classic pump-and-dump operation orchestrated by company insiders while unloading shares through nominee accounts ostensibly controlled by a frontman.
During the SEC hearing, there was some testimony regarding wire transfers and other deposits to company accounts for which the bookkeeper had not yet received supporting documentation. Moreover, on July 28 an auditor fired by CMKM notified the SEC of possible illegal acts, noting among other things that the volume of wire transfers and cashiers cheques rendered the banking records inadequate to obtain evidentiary matter necessary for an audit opinion.
However, neither the hearing testimony nor the July 28 letter written by fired auditor Brad Beckstead offer any claims regarding kickbacks to the company or insiders from the sale of shares.
Apparently Mr. Frizzell's allegations are, at least in part, based upon non-public information obtained from the SEC's investigation file on CMKM.
"It is my opinion that certain portions of the documents I have received from the SEC investigation are confidential and I am not free to disclose certain documents, including banking records which I have in my possession, to my clients," the lawyer continues. "I am obligated however to direct you to the records which you received as well for purposes of this 'shareholder derivative rights' letter."
Mr. Frizzell wants CMKM to pursue Mr. Edwards for his alleged breach of insider trading rules and any other securities violation known to Mr. Stoecklein.
"Specifically, the company should seek disgorgement of any short swing profits made by Mr. Edwards based on his trading activities," Mr. Frizzell advises. "The company should seek cancellation of each and every CMKX share that is now outstanding and currently being held by Mr. Edwards or any of his companies or trusts."
According to the Texas lawyer, some unidentified CMKM shareholders contacted the principals of at least two of the trusts and those unidentified principals disclaimed any knowledge of the transactions involving the sale of billions of shares on the alleged instructions of Mr. Edwards.
"If, in fact, these trusts were used as vehicles to sell stock in violation of securities law, your shareholders would request that the company seek reimbursement for all sales and any consequent gains from the trusts that were used in this manner," Mr. Frizzell continues.
The Texas lawyer goes on to offer some comments about Mr. Edwards being "in attendance at several meetings in which the progress of an audit was being discussed" and suggesting that he inexplicably had the company's stock book in his possession in January.
According to Mr. Frizzell, "it seems clear there is cause for investigation on behalf of the company as to the propriety of such acts."
"I would also direct your attention to a wire transfer dated July 28, 2004, from a PA Holdings Inc. account," Mr. Frizzell adds without further explanation.
"The shareholders are aware of Mr. Edwards's refusal to testify by deposition at the administrative hearing," Mr. Frizzell remarks in wrapping up his discussion of Mr. Edwards. "If Mr. Edwards should continue the assertion of his Fifth Amendment rights in any action brought by the company, the company should seek rulings from the court which would assist them in obtaining a favorable outcome of any action."
Mr. Frizzell makes no mention of the fact that Mr. Casavant, CMKM's only officer, asserted his Fifth Amendment privilege and refused to answer any questions at the evidentiary hearing.
Bad-mouthing brokerage
Mr. Frizzell turns to a discussion of Nev West Securities, which allegedly operated several accounts controlled by Mr. Edwards.Again, the Texas lawyer seems to rely heavily on non-public information obtained from the SEC for his claims regarding the brokerage firm.
"It has been proven by the records you and I have received from the SEC that Nev West Securities has allowed John Edwards to open at least 36 trust accounts to trade securities," Mr. Frizzell begins. "The company issued stock certificates to Mr. Edwards's companies and trusts totaling hundreds of billions of shares in 2003, 2004 and 2005.
"Once the sale of these massive amounts of CMKX stock were concluded, checks were issued and funds were wired from Nev West to various accounts at the direction of John Edwards.
"The company should investigate these activities to determine the complicity of Nev West in the massive dilution and improper trading activities in its company stock.
"I have been told there has been a full NASD (National Association of Securities Dealers) investigation and we request that the company seek full discovery of any such investigation."
Mr. Frizzell moves on to a discussion of a matter close to the hearts of many of CMKM's devoted followers, naked short selling.
"I have requested from you the DTCC (Depository Trust and Clearing Corp.) records regarding the trading in CMKX stock and would renew that request at this time on behalf of the company shareholders," Mr. Frizzell writes.
"You are aware that significant naked shorting of CMKX stock has occurred and the company is hereby requested to assist in the investigation to determine those that may be responsible for the illegal shorting and fails to deliver that are present in this stock," the Texas lawyer continues. "It is believed that Nev West facilitated the naked shorting of CMKX stock."
Mr. Frizzell offers no support for his professed belief that the Nevada brokerage firm was involved in the purported naked shorting of CMKM.
Adding insult to the alleged misconduct, Mr. Frizzell suggests that a Nev West representative bad-mouthed CMKM after unloading some of its shares.
"There is a group of CMKX shareholders that contacted Nev West earlier this year after learning there was a large amount of stock available for sale," Mr. Frizzell says. "This group of shareholders contacted Nev West directly and purchased a large block of CMKX stock.
"Immediately upon the purchase of a large block of stock, the Nev West agent began to run the stock down to the purchasers, alienating several shareholders.
"It is clear that Nev West has been a facilitator in the dilution of CMKX stock."
The auditor
Mr. Frizzell also wants CMKM to take legal action against its former auditor, Neil Levine, and his accounting firm, Bagell, Josephs & Company.
"Testimony by Mr. Levine at the administrative hearing confirms that Neil Levine was brought in to perform the audit by John Michael Edwards," Mr. Frizzell claims.
In fact, the testimony at the May 10 evidentiary hearing indicates that Mr. Levine received a referral from Mr. Edwards and was hired by CMKM after he and a senior partner from Bagell, Josephs met with Mr. Casavant and others associated with the company.
"Mr. Levine admitted to his prior association with Mr. Edwards because of other work he had performed for Mr. Edwards," Mr. Frizzell writes.
"The company received an unwelcome surprise on the day before the important administrative hearing was to begin," the Texas lawyer continues. "Mr. Levine stated that he was too busy with other companies and was terminating his relationship with CMKM Diamonds Inc."
In fact, in both his testimony and in a termination letter, Mr. Levine said CMKM had not produced the documents necessary to perform an audit, despite several requests, so he quit.
Among other things, he also testified that Mr. Casavant asserting his Fifth Amendment privilege during the proceeding was problematic and neither he nor his firm wanted to be associated with a company like CMKM.
"We acknowledge that the company was having difficulty in gathering information needed by Mr. Levine, but his abrupt termination at such a critical time most likely constituted professional negligence," Mr. Frizzell suggests.
"Mr. Levine's relationship with the person most involved in diluting the company renders his stated reason for abandoning the company suspicious at best," the lawyer continues, apparently a reference to Mr. Edwards, not Mr. Casavant.
At the very least, Mr. Frizzell wants CMKM to seek the return of "any unaccounted for pre-paid fees" from Mr. Levine.
"The evidence of Mr. Edwards's massive sell off of CMKX stock should be reason to bring legal action against Mr. Levine on behalf of the company," the Texas lawyer claims, serving up a rather peculiar reason for suing someone.
The bungling accountant
Moving on, Mr. Frizzell wants the company to take legal action against its former chief financial officer, David Desormeau, who was hired in December of 2002 amid touting that he was going to institute a real-time financial reporting and inventory control system.
"The shareholders request that the company file suit against Mr. Desormeau for professional negligence," Mr. Frizzell writes. "Since the company's hiring, Mr. Desormeau has not instituted the system which was touted on his hiring.
"There has never been a financial report filed with the SEC since Mr. Desormeau's hiring.
"It is clear from the written communications between Mr. Desormeau and Neil Levine that Mr. Desormeau did not have adequate records of the company.
"It now appears that Mr. Desormeau's failed accounting system is at least one of the reasons the company has been unable to file it required financials."
Mr. Frizzell's concerns extend beyond Mr. Desormeau's bungled bookkeeping.
"Of even greater concern than the inadequate bookkeeping is Mr. Desormeau's trading activities and payments for his services," Mr. Frizzell says, going on to note that Mr. Desormeau was allegedly paid $1.5-million in shares.
"My investigation shows that 63 billion shares were issued to Business Works (a company owned by Mr. Desormeau) at a time when the company was promoting its stock through press releases about its diamond finds," Mr. Frizzell goes on.
"I have reviewed bank records which show cash payments from Mr. Casavant to David Desormeau for $49,500 from June 10, 2004, to Aug. 18, 2004," the lawyer writes, adding that he only reviewed "a few select bank statements of various company accounts."
According to Mr. Frizzell, Mr. Desormeau's Business Works is also the registered agent for several Nevada companies that received billions of CMKM shares.
Indeed, records available through the Nevada Secretary of State do show Mr. Desormeau and Business Works as the resident agent for a number of companies, some either revoked or in default, that received billions of CMKM shares.
"Specifically, the company should seek disgorgement of any short swing profits made by Mr. Desormeau based on his trading activities," Mr. Frizzell advises. "The company should seek cancellation of each and every CMKX share that is now outstanding and currently being held by Mr. Desormeau or any of his companies."
The consultant
Mr. Frizzell also suggests that the company should pursue claims against James Kinney.
"James Kinney was identified as being a consultant to CMKM Diamonds Inc. in an S8 filing by the company on April 15, 2003," Mr. Frizzell writes. "Mr. Kinney was paid 530,000,000 shares valued at $265,000 for a 6 month consulting contract for his expertise in zinc claims."
In fact, the consultant mentioned in the S-8 filing is identified as James Kenny, though sometimes names are not properly recorded in filings and he may be the same person. In any event, Mr. Kinney did serve as one of the company's investor relations representatives for a time, among other things.
According to Mr. Frizzell, Mr. Kinney and companies under his control, such as Part Time Management Inc., received almost 100 billion shares of CMKM in less than 10 months from late 2003 to 2004.
Mr. Frizzell wants CMKM to seek disgorgement of any short swing profits made by Mr. Kinney and to cancel any shares he may still control.
The clerk
The Texas lawyer wants legal action taken against Ginger Gutierrez, too. Ms. Gutierrez held clerical positions with the company and served a stint as CMKM's investor relations representative along with Mr. Kinney.
"Her signature appears on many checks written from CMKXtreme account," Mr. Frizzell writes, a reference to a private company controlled by Mr. Casavant. "There are also checks written out to Silver State Bank for cashier's checks which were ultimately endorsed by Ginger Gutierrez."
According to Mr. Frizzell, from August of 2003 through October of 2004, Ms. Gutierrez unloaded 23 billion shares of CMKM.
Mr. Frizzell suggests that Ms. Gutierrez should be made to cough up any short swing profits made through her trading and that any shares she still holds should be cancelled.
The lawyer
Rounding out his list of targets, Mr. Frizzell rather more gingerly suggests that one of the company's former lawyers, Brian Dvorak, may also deserve some legal attention.
"The shareholders have been presented with evidence that numerous opinion letters were written by Brian Dvorak which resulted in free trading shares of CMKX stock," the Texas lawyer writes.
"The evidence suggests Mr. Dvorak incorrectly issued opinions which resulted in legends being removed or authorized free trading of shares when in fact, such shares should have been restricted and subject to certain holding periods," Mr. Frizzell opines.
"The shareholders request that you take legal action against Brian Dvorak for any occurrences of legal malpractice which have caused company stock to be freely traded in the market, when such should not have occurred," the Owners Group lawyer writes.
Shine the light
Coming to the end of his letter, Mr. Frizzell remarks that Mr. Stoecklein is the one person who has unfettered access to the company's records and the one most able to obtain any missing records.
"You have seen two auditors bail out after being paid substantial sums of money," Mr. Frizzell observes. "One auditor has notified the SEC of serious improprieties found during the attempted audit of CMKM Diamonds Inc.
"If your work has uncovered any acts that may warrant legal action on behalf of the company, the shareholders request that you take any and all action that you deem necessary on behalf of the company.
"This obviously puts you in an awkward position, and for that I apologize."
Indeed, given that Mr. Frizzell has dumped a demand upon CMKM's lawyer to pursue claims that may be extremely costly for the cash-strapped company to advance, even if it turns out that those claims do have some legal merit, and may well draw countersuits if they are filed, "awkward" may be an understated characterization of Mr. Stoecklein's position.
"Maybe the bright lights of litigation will help illuminate some of the reasons this company stock has been diluted and shorted," Mr. Frizzell says.
"This list does not purport to be a complete and final list of actions that the shareholders deem to be warranted," the Texas lawyer adds, holding out the prospect of even more allegations.
Mr. Frizzell wants a response from Mr. Stoecklein within 30 days.
The saga continues.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Mr. Casavant, who authorized the issuance of almost 800 billion shares, many of them to himself, relatives and associates, is not among those fingered by Mr. Frizzell for legal action. However, the Texas lawyer notes that his letter "does not purport to be a complete and final list of actions that the shareholders deem to be warranted."
says it all, frizzy left out the most important piece of the puzzle. if this was a sting a few name frizzy did include would not be there also unless they were planted right from the start, desmoreau & ginger & kinney. also frizzy says toxic financing & the shell cmki is to blame, those 2 things would be UC's fault. he signed those deals. he knew to bring a lawyer to court but didn't have a lawyer loook over any deals he signed??? not likely.
Posted by Ric on :
This was a phxgold theory that the cult ran with and Frizzell picked up on. Phx has posted this theory so many time that people started to believe it as facts. They have no evidence that this was a dirty shell, that there was toxic financing, or that these people were anything more then UC money launders. But in the end the truth will still come out when you go after these people. They won't take the blame for UC.
Looks like legal is off running with his theory. He got himself a cult following that believes this sting is based on facts. Its really hard to believe how easy these people are to con if you give them something they want to here. There has to be a money maker here somewhere, lol.
Seems that they have broken up into 3 groups now. Theres the Willy Wonka group that believes Accacrappas settlement lies. He been wrong every time but they still believe this dope like he's a god. Then there Noah's, aka legal, group that believes this is a sting and they would involve 50K people in it without there permission. Then theres the Frizzy Group, phxgold theory, that thinks a group of bad guys conned UC with a dirty shell and forced him to give them shares to dump on the market. That UC had nothing to do with it. But if you really read into Frizzy's statements, he knows UC is involved. Of course legal also believes in the phx theory just takes it one step further with the sting.
Now that will hurt anyones head. But you notice one thing in common with all these is THEY ARE JUST THEORIES. Yet the cult treats them as facts. Because they refuse to look at the real facts that they do have that shows UC never owned the company and he gave shares to all his family and friends who in turned got rid of them as fast as they could including UC. The fact he signs the issuance of shares and that blackmail is illegal. UC is great at giving them nothing yet giving them a sound bite for which to get these people to start unfounded rumors and theories. Well, all we can hope for is that the commission will hand down a ruling quickly after the Oct 20th rebuttal.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wish somebody would sue somebody and get this over.....LOL
Posted by 4Art on :
Agreed. LOL
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Wish somebody would sue somebody and get this over.....LOL
Posted by stockster5 on :
Is usca still part of this mess? Noone has mentioned it lately. And it jumped 20 cents today....
Posted by tic_toc on :
these words will haunt me for the rest of my investing days. the day I ever see UC will be a sorry day for the fat £$%^. he dont look so diluted to me, shame my 'investment' is
Posted by tic_toc on :
infact i love those words. nothing can describe this POS more than that. see how it rolls off the tongue...
Why do people trust Frizzy? He has no securities experience... okay, he was dumb enough to invest in CMKX.
The whole Phase I, II, III... thing is a total joke. Zero value has been delivered so far. He wants to pursue everyone associated with CMKX except UC... WTF?!?!
It makes me laugh that people ever invested in the POS.... I remember when my friends told me about it (The once in a lifetime opportunity).... within 30 mins of DD (threw that in for legal) I believed it was a scam (this was 18+ months ago). Look at the company website, etc... Now I know people can make a killing on the pinks, but it is generally based on hitting a run up (ie HISC.PK) and then selling. Most of these companies are scams or VERY poorly run companies.
Anyway, when I think of people like legal I think of Russel Crowe in "A Beatiful Mind".... crazy conspiracy theories....
Posted by Ric on :
SHOELESSJOE Dr. Of Diamonds
joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 184 Location: up state n.y. Re: Frizzell and the OG « Reply #3 on Today at 5:23pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a SMIDGEON? Do they talk like that where you are from. rofl
According to Indian Joe who spoke with Andy today,Andy told him that 2 of the people named in the last dohicky that friz did are still working with cmkx.
They say dohickey where I'm from,but only the older folks.
injunjoe Dr. Of Diamonds
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 191 Re: Frizzell and the OG « Reply #7 on Today at 5:52pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, thats what got Andy so riled up. Not necessarily that he mentioned Edwards, but that one or two of the people in that letter are good people who just got drug through the mud because Frizzell is acting off of incomplete info. UC was not too happy about that part of the letter. Patrick
Posted by Ric on :
Vansan Dr. Of Diamonds
Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 200 Re: Sting Theory « Reply #16 on Today at 8:48pm »
Today at 8:38pm, tramp wrote:looks to me, you took noahs thread and laughed at it.. noah was in white collar crime unit, and he did get a phone call and a tip, of what was really happenning..
so, i wouldn't want to be laughing at noah. and noah never did say who gave him that tip, but could be the guys who love to tap phones, how's that for a hint?
port is right, you reap what you sow. -----------------------------------------------
And that's something that irritates me too. So a guy who calls himself noah and claims to be a white collar crime investigator claims to have gotten a tip but of course he can't divulge who or what it was yet it's taken as the gospel truth. He's no more credible that acca or any of the other spin meisters, in fact, he's worse. He's now spun this whole sting theory fiasco based on his undivulged tip and has got a bunch of folks believing in it and getting their hopes up. Who is this guy anyway? Acca or Adobe with a different username?
Posted by Ric on :
Shoot, and I thought that I was to bored and had too many posts. 7,217 posts and only signed up Jun 2005.
John Winston Lennon O'boogie Board Addict
Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 7,217 Location: Long Island N.Y.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well, at least I am known and loved here among my friends. LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
"There has to be a money maker here somewhere, lol."
Dang, I wish. Unfortunately no money here until CMKX settlement. Ooops was I supposed to say that? LOL
Posted by Ric on :
You know you love us legal. It only takes a little tease to get you back, lol.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok time for a new theory...it is a sting operation only its set to catch internet pumpers. ya see UC got caught in a stock that was a scam. he went to edwards to help him set up a pure scam company. one with enough info to get ppls hopes up & the internet pumping machine going full bore. he then contacted the SEC to watch & catch ppl like willy & Acca, sterling, dr d & green baron. he made sure there was just enough real info around that ppl could see it was a scam but only if you looked. the twist was he really wanted the totally valueless pumpers the ones that would pump a scam no matter what facts came out so they did the whole court thing. they let facts out proving it was a scam & sat back to see who would still pump this POS. soon the trap will shut & these internet pumpers will get the justice they deserve. unfortunately 50K ppl will lose money but they had the chance to get out & they needed to learn a valuable lesson in stocks...if its sounds too good to be true...it is.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
You ARE crazy! LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Well, at least I am known and loved here among my friends. LOL
Let's just say you are KNOWN, and let it go at that.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Shhhhhh..... can you hear it? It's not CMKX, but rather my stomach... I had beans last night.
Posted by Ric on :
Looks like you have something in common with CMKX. Full of hot gas.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Ric... lol... its unfortunate that the CMKX faithful can't smell it.... it being the CMKX stench.... not me.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: bill,
You ARE crazy! LOL
It sounds different whey YOU say it.
Posted by bill1352 on :
hey my sting theory has as much going for it as legals does. in fact it has more reality, it includes that fact that all know true info says scam. oh & wallace, i'm proud to be crazy....lol
Posted by Ric on :
bombers73 Diamondologist
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 349 Andys Latest 9/14 « Thread Started on Today at 9:11pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy's new yahoo message: "Hello CMKX'rs..I spoke at length with UC today about Mr. Frizzell and Mr. Martin. Loyal CMKX shareholders should ignore anything said by the OG and demand a full refund. The OG is misrepresenting facts and making wrong subjective assumptions about CMKX
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I am sure the OG will appreciate that kind of response. Ignore and demand a refund! LOL Try getting a refund from UC!
Posted by Ric on :
I think they hit a nerve. UC is starting to get a little scared IMO. If this was just a misunderstanding about a couple people on the list then tell them that. But to come out and try and discredit the OG makes it sound like they are hiding something. Like the fact if Frizzy goes after these people then he, UC, will be exposed for what he did.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
It's entirely possible that Frizzy is pushing Martin to include UC in that group he is accusing. Let's face it, he said everything leads to UC and still did not include him for potential litigation. There is no question as to what he believes about UC, his family and associates.
[ September 15, 2005, 00:23: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
"The OG is misrepresenting facts and making wrong subjective assumptions about CMKX"
i get it, we are just to ass-u-me that those 703 billion shares are not dumping & diluting. we are to ass-u-me that UC had our best interests at heart when he gave his buddies all those shares. just because that half-azz general ledger had no entries for selling those shares would be what?....subjective assumtion that something is wrong??
Posted by ed19363 on :
Message to andy: If what you say is true, have a conversation with UC and come out with a PR PROVING the OG wrong. Otherwise, get ready for testimony under oath when they come and lock your azz up.
Posted by Ric on :
Andy's message today was: "Hello CMKXr's. What is more important to you? UC and TEAM getting CMKX fully reporting again or going after bad guys? I know fully reporting wins and then UC can go after any bad guys. Enjoy your day! Trust the TEAM!"
Posted by Upside on :
Enjoy your day! Trust the team! We scammed you! Get over it! Now leave us alone!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Fully reporting? That's a laugh, considering they are one step away from being suspended. They must have access to some REALLY good drugs there....LOL. Next thing they'll be talking about moving to the NY exchange or the AMEX.... Got to give em credit for a lot of balls keeping this thing alive, altho barely breathing.
Seems to me they said dont believe anything that isnt in a PR. To me, that includes Andy's rantings too. So how about a PR? Fat chance !!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
dont you need records & financials to report? oh ya an auditor that won't quit or report illegal activities would help. but i'm forgetting legals idea that the DOJ has a complete set of records & everything is audited for the sting theory. hey legal, ya think maybe they will spring that sting trap before we all die of old age? (no Wallace age joke included so make up your own...lol)
Posted by bill1352 on :
i think andy has awaken because those that got shares are calling UC & letting him know they ain't going to meet big bubba alone. i bet everyone on that list that can be found has contacted UC by now & since i'm sure UC got a chunk of the cash from those shares they figure it has a protection service included in that payment. remember the SEC asked the last auditor for help locating a few connected to cmkx & odds are they are on that list or at least the master list.
Posted by Binky on :
Pedro on Pro******32 has posted some info showing the CIM zinc claims have been allowed to lapse. Some people over there are having a hard time accepting this info as true,likely because CIM and the zinc were spoken of many times as being the real value in the CMKX stock play. Guess it wasn't eh.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hell, Binky, legal has claimed CIM is the new survivor and saviour for CMKX shareholders.
bill, "we all die of old age? (no Wallace age joke included"
Thanks for the clarification. LOL
[ September 15, 2005, 20:49: Message edited by: Wallace#1 ]
Posted by Ric on :
So legal, posting real DD of facts about losing claims is yelling fire in a crowded theater. But posting unfounded theories as facts is alright. I am lost with that logic.
noahltl God of Diamonds
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 850 Re: Well ~~~ The ZINC Claim is gone! « Reply #21 on Today at 4:54pm »
Pedro, thanks for shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ric, that is because Pedro is saying something that conflicts with one of legal's pet theories. It doesn't matter how true it might be. First response is to attack....proven fact or not.
Posted by farpceca on :
crap on cmkx. just board the AVNC pre-market train and ride it to what non-cmkxers call profit town. choo choo!
Posted by Ric on :
The biggest loser award goes to, the envelope please................
injunjoe Dr. Of Diamonds
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 249 Re: Well ~~~ The ZINC Claim is gone! « Reply #88 on Today at 8:42pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I bought more today, actually. Thanks Pedro. Thanks. Patrick
Posted by ed19363 on :
IMO, legal's theories have more holes than a sieve. He has offered no proof of anything, just innuendo. I just hope that when this whole thing comes crashing down, legal is under it. I would love to see UC and him sharing the same cell. In reality, CMKX has been dead for over a year, and I cant understand what (except the calendar) is keeping it from disappearing completely. My trashman's ex-wife's niece says UC is guilty, and I believe her more than I do legal.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric, i'm still banned. i tried logging in but no luck. that site is filled with the most out of touch humans on the face of this earth. there are 10 or 15 of them that could have brain surgury performed while posting & nobody would notice including the poster. now they have UC opening mining interests in China??? a company that according to any reports known is $36 million in the hole, lost zinc claims, needs $2 million to keep 1 gold shaft, about $1 billion to get the fabled & hoped for diamond mine running (if they find anything), could have lost a lot of the diamond claims according to published contract & the probable inablity to meet the contract but is going to China to set up new mining oppertunities. i'm starting to think that owning cmkx shares has some weird effect on oxygen levels in the brain.
Posted by legaleagle on :
A little "testy" tonight aren't we Ed?
Pedro's post was like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. Looking for the same reaction. You see, only two claims expired and they were probably already discovered to be worthless. However, CIM's future is not in zinc, but possibly as the recipient of CMKX claims and assets in a roll-up.
Nice try, but sorry no Ceeeeeeeeeeegar.
Posted by stockster5 on :
This is all too weird. Look at any internet otcbb boards symbol list. See that little 'Q' after the symbol name.? That means 'Bankrupt'. I know some companies keep operating under credit bailout plans and owner receivership options. But these are few. Most 'Q' listed companies just go on trading for years after nothing shows up on any info board. Not even SEC filings for years. They don't seem to exist, yet have share trading volume. How the hell does this go on? And I believe cmkx will linger just like this. Forever ..........ever ....... ever........ever....rr. ......... S5
Posted by legaleagle on :
SS, was there something that made you think CMKX was bankrupt? Like the 1.5 million they are currently spending to move the Ecuadorian processing plant across the street from the mine.
Posted by bill1352 on :
USCA is spending legal not cmkx. i know you cult members like to think they are 1 & the same but try selling your cmkx stock at USCA pps & see what they tell ya. when the pr comes out saying cmkx bought USCA you can say they own it until then its 2 differant companys & what they do is meaningless to cmkx.
Posted by legaleagle on :
STOCKGATE TODAY An online newspaper reporting the issues of Securities Fraud
Investor Friend or Foe; SEC Commissioner Annette Nazareth derails SRO Enforcement Activities – September 15, 2005
David Patch
Say it ain’t so.
Tell me the top regulator to our Securities Markets didn’t interfere with the enforcement actions of a Self Regulatory Agency (SRO) to protect the illegal acts of Wall Street Institutions.
As reported by the Associated Press yesterday, it now appears that in 2001 Securities and Exchange Commission Director of Market Regulation Annette Nazareth contacted the NYSE and requested that the SRO not bring enforcement actions against a dozen Wall Street Institutions for violations of the document retention laws.
According to the AP story, Salvatore Pallante, former Executive VP of the NYSE, testified this year in an SEC Administrative case against a Wall Street firm that Nazareth asked the NYSE to stop reporting e-mail and record retention violations to the NYSE enforcement division. The SEC also asked the NYSE to withdraw reports made while the SEC was in discussions with the industry.
Ironically, report of this incident came from the SEC’s public records office. An office required by law to maintain records.
If Annette Nazareth had her way this news of interference would have been shredded along with all other evidence of regulatory interference.
Beyond the issues of the SEC strong-arming the SRO’s and Market’s comes the timing of Ms. Nazareth’s actions.
It was in 2001 that NY Attorney General Eliot Spitzer was using the evidence of Wall Street e-mails retained by the firms to make his case against the Industry for research analyst’s conflicts of interest. The result of Mr. Spitzer’s findings was the largest Global Settlement [$1.4 Billion] in the history of the market place. Spitzer was also able to demonstrate the callous and ineffective regulatory performance of the Securities and Exchange Commission in his investigation and settlement.
But how critical is record retention anyway?
It was in December 2001 that Martha Stewart sold those infamous shares of Imclone through her broker Peter Bacanovic. The SEC, in 2002, later charged Stewart with insider trading. In her defense Stewart claimed to have a standing stop loss order in place should Imclone shares drop below a magical number. Her defense later being rejected by all accounts due to a lack of documented evidence to support her claims. Evidence Ms. Nazareth was about to allow to be shredded.
It was less than a year later that the SEC, NASD and NYSE brought enforcement cases against 5 firms for this same retention violation with fines totaling a whopping $8.25 million. The timeliness of such actions so quickly after the initial NYSE enforcement cases were dismissed raise questions and doubt over the authority and objectiveness of Director Nazareth’s initial call.
When asked to comment about whether it was common practice for the SEC to interject their opinion regarding an SRO enforcement proceeding SEC Spokesman John Heine elected to respond with his patented “no comment.” Likewise when asked whether the NYSE routinely took enforcement advice from the SEC after finding of infractions had been identified NYSE spokesman Brendan Intindola provided a similar “no comment”. Intindola would later reference the enforcement actions taken since the Nazareth incident as an indication of the NYSE fulfilling their regulatory duties. Calls to the investor education department of the SEC yielded little by way of informative conversation as well as a clueless Susan Wynerko suggested I speak with an outside Attorney about the SEC’s authority to derail SRO enforcement proceedings. Ms. Wynerko toggled so frequently between the “no comment” and look elsewhere comments I thought I would have to seek a doctor to correct my whiplash problems. Investor education? It was clear this federal Employee was either ignorant or trying to hide something.
Neither the SEC nor the NYSE would comment on whether Nazareth, working out of the SEC facilities to make this call, would be considered a representative of the Commission when derailing the enforcement actions. Mr. Heine once being forthright enough to inform me that it is illegal to use Federal phones for non-business purposes.
In the AP article the spin out of the SEC at the hearing in which Pallante’s testimony was recorded was the argument that the commission did not engage in misconduct and that the SEC staff opinions aren’t the same as the views of the five-member commission. I guess this further question the authority of Director Nazareth to use her office to direct such a change out of the NYSE when the five-member commission did not sanction the derailment of the enforcement actions.
For the record: The case against Raymond James was ruled upon by the SEC administrative Judge today and in that ruling Raymnd James was found not guilty of the record retention problems. The SEC Administrative Judge clearly using Nazareth’s prior actions as justification to that ruling stating “"it would be patently unfair and unacceptable in view of the senior staff's actions and representations to find that Raymond James did not take steps to comply,"
Had this been the first or the last time Ms. Nazareth jeopardized the safety of the investing public her error could be forgiven. Unfortunately this seems to be more a pattern for the recently anointed Commissioner and only raises more doubts about her qualifications for the role.
Case in point.
On record at the SEC is a reform package called Regulation SHO. A package put together by Ms. Nazareth and her staff in the Division of Market Regulation. Also on record are the numerous comment letters provided to the SEC by issuers, investors, State Regulators, and SRO’s on how to properly achieve a high level of investor protection against the abuses of illegal short selling.
The SEC Division of Market Regulation, under Nazareth’s leadership, ignored much of the concerns raised by these various agencies and individuals and instead created policy that jeopardize those already injured while protecting those that participated in the acts of fraud and manipulation. In the release of Regulation SHO the SEC created a ‘grandfather clause’ that protected Wall Street firms from the financial liabilities of the excessive unsettled trades that have become injurious to our small business enterprises, local communities, and investors.
Review of the comment letters for this rule change identifies the significant number of private meetings between members of Wall Street and the SEC Division of Market Regulation to better understand the impact of such proposed changes on their business practices. These meeting are recorded as taking place without meeting minutes presented. What is not recorded, as taking place are the similar meetings with SRO’s NASAA, or Issuers to understand their concerns regarding the proposed rule changes. These are not recorded due to the fact they never happened.
Public comments by Annette Nazareth regarding investor and issuer discontent over the final rule change were cavalier and inappropriate. Nazareth, in a NY times Article dismissed the arguments of the injured parties as simply being disgruntled people disappointed the change did not make the stock prices go up. The fact that the ‘grandfather clause’ is illegal by the standards of law defined under the Securities exchange Act of 1934, and the fact that the clause was intended to protect the liability of the Wall Street firms who lobbied the Division of Market Regulation was never discussed by Nazareth.
The actions of Ms. Nazareth are both documented and highly transparent. Her views of the responsibilities of the agency are not aligned with the agencies charter as defined by Congress. Having a Commissioner in Office who is more concerned about the protectionism of the Wall Street firms over protecting the safety of the investing public is simply a train wreck waiting to happen. Investor Confidence is already at a fragile state and the blunders such as these raise concerns about the agency and the SRO’s ability to enforce our laws.
In December 2004 a Bear Stearns Conference Call regarding Regulation SHO opened with the Bear Stearns General Counsel stating:
"To give you that brief introduction in Reg SHO, the history (of) how we got to where we are today. For the past few years we have been hearing from many different regulators regarding their concerns about the increase in the level of fails that they are seeing. They believe, and they have stated on numerous occasions, that one of the primary causes of the high level of fails was that various participants in the short sale process, prime brokers, executing brokers, clients, were not following already established rules."
The concern now is, was it the SEC’s Division of Market Regulation that Bear Stearns is referencing in this dialogue?
The Senate is presently questioning John Roberts’s integrity to be nominated as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Concerns over how his decisions will impact our nation for years to come are what prompt this concern. It was only recently that the Senate nominated Annette Nazareth for the position of Commissioner to the SEC. It is clear that this may have been in haste as the decisions Nazareth has made in the past and will make in the future will impact the securities Industry and can have a significant impact on the stability of our economy for years to come.
It is my personal recommendation that Nazareth resign from the Commission for the safety of our Markets. If Ms. Nazareth chooses not to, the Senate Banking Committee must review these actions taken by Ms. Nazareth and decide whether she not only overstepped her authorities and in doing so aided Wall Street in acts of Securities violations. The Administrative Judges ruling in the Raymond James proceeding today clearly demonstrates the callous nature of Ms. Nazareth’s activities.
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: USCA is spending legal not cmkx. i know you cult members like to think they are 1 & the same but try selling your cmkx stock at USCA pps & see what they tell ya. when the pr comes out saying cmkx bought USCA you can say they own it until then its 2 differant companys & what they do is meaningless to cmkx.
I know the difference bill, my statement stands.
Posted by ed19363 on :
This company is in the wrong business. If they all open their mouths at the same time, they could fill the supply of fertilizer for the entire North American continent. Everybody knows what's going on, but nobody cares to share the secret. Nobody has proof of anything, so it all comes out bullsquat.
Posted by CAPTNEMOS on :
this stock is junk do not buy,SCAM,SCAM,SCAM
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Questions that legal's grandkids will ask him:
Q: Grandpa, why are we living in a shelter? A: Because Grandpa was stupid and invested in a stock scam.
Q: Grandpa, why can't I go to college? A: Because Grandpa invested your college money in a stock scam.
Q: Grandpa, why do we have this new toilet paper? A: Because Grandpa needed to do something with these CMKX certs!
Gosh... is there a trend here? Shhhh, can you hear it? Nope... I can't either.... CMKX is dead.... wake up!!!!
Posted by Thorn on :
This stock is still trading?!! Oh well, I guess Green Barron and the other paid promoters got paid in advance. Too bad for you investors.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Questions that legal's grandkids will ask him:
Q: Grandpa, why are we living in a shelter? A: Because Grandpa was stupid and invested in a stock scam.
Q: Grandpa, why can't I go to college? A: Because Grandpa invested your college money in a stock scam.
Q: Grandpa, why do we have this new toilet paper? A: Because Grandpa needed to do something with these CMKX certs!
Gosh... is there a trend here? Shhhh, can you hear it? Nope... I can't either.... CMKX is dead.... wake up!!!!
Got the wrong guy there Santa. I have less than one month's pay invested in CMKX. When it hits, the grandkids will have much to say, but not as it relates to any "losses". However, I wonder what they will ask you about "opportunities lost".
Posted by legaleagle on :
Thorn do you just stop in to demonstrate how little you really know about this stock?
Posted by bill1352 on :
what are we going to do with you legal? is reality so depressing that escaping in the dream of a scam not being a scam the only enjoyment left for you? try hookers instead. at least then your dreams will be from real life experiances not some cooked up fantasy that has no hope of ever coming true.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Legal, I was making a comparison to already existing bankrupt companies continuing to trade well after information about them stops being upgraded news wise. My analogy is suggesting that cmkx may never go away, one way or another. That is all. I don't appreciate you putting your slant on my words, thankyouverymuch.! Um ... you have a Ecuadorian processing plant too???? Who are you REALLY??
S 5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Oh, and Legal... many people come to these boards by stumbling on them, or seeing about them in a cross post or just a google search. I myself did a google search for cmkx/cmkm. I don't expect most people to go back and read the volumes of type you have spewed since who knows what....so don't be so hard on them.
SSSSS555555
Posted by stockster5 on :
AAAnd.... it may amaze you Legal that bunches of info/forum/stock boards outside of this vaccum in the real world, have never heard of LEGALEAGLE.
s5
Posted by duediligence1 on :
One thing I have to agree with legal about is this will be the stock play of a lifetime. The ones that get burnt will never forget this one and many will lose a lifetimes worth of savings. Because after the burn sets in there will be a lot of people that should have been in mutual funds or something like that. Playing the market isn't for everyone especially pinksheet. They have to be burnt real bad before they learn. Too bad that so many will lose there life savings to learn this lesson.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i see frizzys at it again. what edwards marrige has to do with it i'm not sure. everyone UC gave shares to got shares for wives & kids. heck he has shares to aunts, uncles & in-laws, his butcher, baker & candlestick maker too. the fact that edwards is crooked is a given, everyone UC deals with is crooked. those that aren't crooked left as in 2 auditors. i'm guessing but i bet nobody at stockliens office or cmkx is returning frizzy's calls these days...lol. he may not be naming UC in anything for the dillusional OG but keeping this pressure up on UC's buddies will flush him out in the long run.
Posted by Ric on :
It is pretty bad when it is not even worth bashing anymore. I guess they ran out of rumors to give us all laughs with. Maybe since they are in Vegas they can claim Elvis is now on the board so it must be legit. Hey ever think this sting could be Maheu sent in by the FBI to sting UC? I love how the longs claims he not there for the everyday business but for the SEC and filings yet he didn't even know the auditors were not getting any information.
Looks like the fun on this board is ending alone with this stock. This was always a great thread to get laughs. I sort of hate seeing it go with all the great investors in here showing how real DD is done by taking the pumpers theories down like they should be. This is, was, and will be a scam. But the fun in here was what made it worth while.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Even transfusions and o2 can't keep this puppy alive Posted by Marty on :
I partially remember my first "hearing" of this CMKX , "stock of the century" carp. It was just about the time of the webcast, of the shareholders meeting in Vegas I think, where they showed clips of race cars. This lady jumped on the stage and said something like, "Where are the diamonds? I invested in a diamond exploration company, not a race team." LOL.....that's not exact, but what I remember of the webcast....it was instantly obvious, something was "not as it would seem" LOL....funny chit...carry on Posted by Ric on :
Everyone should have seen the Got CMKX funny car for what it was. It even said it on the car. Please buy shares. Do you think that I can get 50,000 people to fund my hobby?
Posted by xyz on :
Thanks..... for the memories
Maybe when all is said and done they can round up all the pumpers and put them in a dunk tank. All the rest of the shareholders that were feed these lies of stings and settlements can take shot at dunking the pumpers.
One twist in this tank is that there are starving tiger sharks in the water.
UC deserves to live. Sent to jail and make sure he is put in a cell with bubba who wears his mother's underwear.
Posted by Marty on :
LOL...more funny chit... "UC deserves to live. Sent to jail and make sure he is put in a cell with bubba who wears his mother's underwear."
Hahahahahaha! I could spit my drink out on that line alone....LOL!
quote:Originally posted by xyz: Thanks..... for the memories
Maybe when all is said and done they can round up all the pumpers and put them in a dunk tank. All the rest of the shareholders that were feed these lies of stings and settlements can take shot at dunking the pumpers.
One twist in this tank is that there are starving tiger sharks in the water.
UC deserves to live. Sent to jail and make sure he is put in a cell with bubba who wears his mother's underwear.
Posted by bill1352 on :
there are no more theories because UC isn't putting out any more 1/2 truths. these brainless pumpers are left to their own imagination. i will give legal credit, at least he had enough imagination to come up with the sting theory without UC's help.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Maybe we should start a new thread = CMKX A Dead Dream Posted by stockster5 on :
Well, this should be a lesson to um... somebody that sub penny stocks are sub penny for a reason. For us small investors to gamble like the big boys. The lesson is no matter what product or idea the penny company is selling, be it diamonds, copper or womens nylons... they are counting on US, the penny gambler to throw some cash their way. I just spent 10 hours researching every sec covered company that's sub penny I could find with Scottrade, and other sites... and guess what..? over 40% of them are bankrupt and in some kind of receivership or another since 2001.... AND STILL TRADING SHARES.!! WTF.... does this not tell you something?? Another 25% at least, showed NO INCOME for years.. still spewing the same SEC filing every year AND STILL TRADING SHARES. My whole technique now is just to check to see if the company has any reverse splits this year, I don't care if they sell pig snouts, If I see a volume pulse, I'll drop 50 bucks and sell as soon as I get the first pop over my investment. I bought 5 different issues last week, and this week doubled all my money. and the stock I sold this week are all negative by Friday. THATS reality in pennies. Out of all my holdings, I keep 2 long. The rest is instant play time. Keeps me in the game and sane. What about you all..??? Have fun..........S5
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Barcharts is really big on NSDM, their strength has moved up from 50-60 to 60-70 and direction has moved from 90-100 to the top 1%.
Moving up on pps, and Barchart "Opinion" scale Today's Opinion... 100% buy Last Week's Opinion... 80% buy Last Week's Opinion... 64% buy Last Month's Opinion... 8% sell
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hwy,
Don't I remember that North Star Diamonds was connected to someone we have discussed here in the past. Cannot remember if good or bad guys.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I think you do.
direction has moved up since last USCA news, I just hope they're digging in the right direction. And they have USCA a 80% buy right now.
[ September 19, 2005, 22:41: Message edited by: Highwaychild ]
Posted by stockster5 on :
But isn't USCA guilty by association to cmkx.. somewhere down the road???
And here is an example to my rant above... could someone please explain this to me... FRTL - Fortel Inc. chpt 11, 03', sells complete everything in march,03' to 'Diverstcap' invest fund co.., which renames company to Sightline Systems Corp in april, 03' when final. FRTL still trading today. And I can't find anything on Sightline. How is this possible. thanks ... S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
and a google search will bring fortel stuff up from 2003 !!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Just a heads up, Barchart doesn't have that good a "rating" on every stock.
I don't claim to know what to know what they have or havn't done. But when usca started hanging around U.C., that's when they quit filing.LOL
Posted by Ric on :
I don't like Barchart's ratings for pennies anyway. It usually lags realtime in the heavy volitile penny market and fails to take in manipulation, dilution, group plays, and general distrust of most CEO's in this market. Usually a buy signal is after the run starts and with this market they are short and still say buy as its dropping like a rock. By the time it says sell theres the bounce back up.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Got the wrong guy there Santa. I have less than one month's pay invested in CMKX. When it hits, the grandkids will have much to say, but not as it relates to any "losses". However, I wonder what they will ask you about "opportunities lost".
Santa? I feel like I'm emailing with Rainman.... yeah, yeah.... Kmart sucks.
When it "hits"? Are you referring to the fan?
"Any 'losses'".... um, you've already LOST everything in this stock.
Why would your grandkids ask me about "opportunities lost"? Oh, I see, you mean the opportunity to help their grandpa... now that is a lost cause.
So legal, how many of those "miracle cars" did you end up buying?
Legal, try investing in REAL companies.... maybe something listed on Nasdaq, NYSE or even AMEX. Why do I bother?
Posted by ed19363 on :
I dont know about the rest of you, but I didnt get into the stock market so my grandkids could live comfortably....THIS IS FOR ME !!!!!
Posted by Ric on :
I had to post this. Too funny.
Posted by ed19363 on :
The "TEAM" SUCKS !!!!!
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: The "TEAM" SUCKS !!!!!
If this thread were to close I doubt anyone would notice Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric, looks like frizzy is out of the loop...lol. the big problem is that the cult only trusts UC. they don't care about facts. they dont care about dilution. they live to serve UC and any of his whims. he could add another 800 billion & post only the fact that another 800 billion were added to the o/s & not 1 cult member would change. within a few hrs they would have it justified & meaning they would become even richer. its so damn stupid its not even fun anymore. the SEC reply to Stocklien should be 1 page & 2 words..."Get Real" & the day stocklien sends his rebuttal the judge should revoke cmkx. we can then wait for the DOJ to pull the sting string, that is if any of us live that long. frizzy should just say screw the OG, take any that quit drinking the kool-aide & go after the real bad guy, UC. either that or just shut it all down & walk away.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Even legal got tired of pumping this dog. Bet we make page 4 soon....LOL
Posted by Ric on :
I have a theory. After this is revoked then UC will claim that he had to move assets into another stock. He will use his famous line that the SEC wouldn't let him give cmkx holders anything but out of the goodness of his heart he will sell them new shares in the new company at a discounted rate. Once he gets all the cult in again he will screw them again and they will come begging for more.
All they can hope for now is UC is arrested before then.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh yeah, I'd buy the new shares in a minute.
(snicker)
Posted by bill1352 on :
i got $50 on Ric's idea being right. the SEC can bar UC from being any part of a public company again. but he would just get an unknown name to say they bought the claims or send them into USCA. that 200 billion UC holds of SGGM might have had a future meaning. trouble with SGGM & USCA is that both are under investigation.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well I see you all missed me while I was moving. And I am so happy to be back with all of your bright smiling faces.
Ed, I never tire of talking about CMKX, so you won't be getting rid of me real soon. I have to stick around long enough to see what you all have to say when the truth about this stock is finally told. (and of course the distribution of funds)
It won't be long now.
Posted by bill1352 on :
we are waiting too legal...lol
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Well I see you all missed me while I was moving. And I am so happy to be back with all of your bright smiling faces.
Ed, I never tire of talking about CMKX, so you won't be getting rid of me real soon. I have to stick around long enough to see what you all have to say when the truth about this stock is finally told. (and of course the distribution of funds)
It won't be long now.
People like this are the reason that cults exist. Just imagine if the CMKX cult focused their efforts on something positive like aiding the victims of hurricane Katrina...
I'd like to say I admire their resolve, but I can't do it since this WHOLE thing is built on disception and blind(aka STUPID) faith.
Posted by ed19363 on :
It won't be long now.
That's what the Rabbi said after the circumcision.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Is that what happened to me.. ??? and I thought it was genetic........................
S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Well, usca is moving around alot. Dunno why. Also wish I had picked up some oil shares too. Gemm as well. but I figured the associated issues tied to ckmx would move anyways.....
oh well...... s5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Jeez legal... you said "wont be long now" last year at this time..................
Posted by legaleagle on :
stockster,you are right, I did say that. Did you miss the run up to .0011?
Posted by a4realguy on :
I think it is poised for a run....
Posted by legaleagle on :
santacruz, you might want to check some of the other CMKX boards to see what is being done by CMKXers for victims of Katrina. I noticed nothing organized was done here by the non-"cult" members.
While we may be victims of blind "STUPID" faith, many of us are smart enough to know how to spell "deception".
Posted by stockster5 on :
4real .... get real
Posted by ed19363 on :
"wont be long now"
This would be the latest version of
"CLOse" or maybe "Soon".
UC said those words years ago.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: santacruz, you might want to check some of the other CMKX boards to see what is being done by CMKXers for victims of Katrina. I noticed nothing organized was done here by the non-"cult" members.
While we may be victims of blind "STUPID" faith, many of us are smart enough to know how to spell "deception".
My company is taking up a collection for those who are being forgotten: The injured and homeless PETS, many of which were taken to the SPCA in Houston and cities in Mississippi. We have sent a hundred pet carriers to Houston for those who need them to take their pets with them before Rita hits. We have also sent money and supplies to Houston, which were picked up at the airport by SPCA. Humans have choices whether to stay or go, but pets are at the mercy of the storm. Not all bashers are bad people, we just have different opinions.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: santacruz, you might want to check some of the other CMKX boards to see what is being done by CMKXers for victims of Katrina. I noticed nothing organized was done here by the non-"cult" members.
While we may be victims of blind "STUPID" faith, many of us are smart enough to know how to spell "deception".
That is about as low a blow as you can go. Sounds very Christian to me. We all do what we feel is right. I for one work with the Disabled American Veterans Organization and have been doing fundraisers and charity drop-off points. But hey gloat all you want while trying to justify this investment.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I didnt like the pr**k before. I like him less now. If that is a Christian statement, let's send em all to the lions in the colusseum.
Posted by legaleagle on :
You can try to twist the statement however you like, but it was made to an individual who implied that CMKXers were not doing anything to help the victims. The opposite is the truth, and he was pointed to other boards where collections and donations are being made. This board, however, made no such attempt. My statement had nothing to do with what individuals here may have done or not done, it simply pointed up that there was no organized effort here in "basherville" like there was by the "faithful".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Legal: "While we may be victims of blind "STUPID" faith, many of us are smart enough to know how to spell "deception"."
W: And there are plenty of people on the other threads you frequent, legal, that cannot spell. In fact, I noticed there are many more than on this thread.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Yes Wallace, but on other boards I don't hear anyone calling people "Stupid".
Posted by Ric on :
Well, I agree with name calling legal but some boards that I won't mention are real bad at name calling and other things. But you are talking about the CT board and PB. The problem with those boards is there is no free speech at all on them. If you disagree then you will be banned. Now there has been some discontent on PB32 lately but it still only allowed by those that were once big time pumpers. If you are me, bill, or Ed you get banned when you state the truth that they don't want to hear. But CT board doesn't allow the truth period on there board unless its yours and Debi's truth. Now thats the difference in boards. Free to speak your mind or free to speak the cults line only. Big difference.
Posted by Ric on :
I had a dream where the DOJ finished its case against UC and his cohorts. They called the spy back in (Maheu) to be their star witness to put all the crooks in jail. And UC got a new roommate in jail, bubba. Dream, lol.
Posted by Ric on :
Oh and by the way this board did have a Katrina thread of where you could drop off supplies and organization you could donate to. So this board did care. And there were several on other threads too.
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legal i was called worse then stupid before being banned on pb32 & i think the line was stupid faith not stupid ppl. i think i can speak for every so called basher here when i say anyone the thinks UC gives a rat's behind about shareholders making money on their shares is stupidly putting faith in a scam artist, even those ppl that are intelligent. even smart ppl do stupid chit some times.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, CT tolerates negative opinion as long as it is backed up with some sort of facts or intelligent opinon. Do we allow people to just come in and say "Urban is a crook"? NO. That's for this board and RB.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Oh and by the way this board did have a Katrina thread of where you could drop off supplies and organization you could donate to. So this board did care. And there were several on other threads too.
Too bad that didn't appear on this thread.
Posted by Ric on :
But they tolerate pumps with no facts to back them up. Like Debi's dream of a settlement. Thats what I mean. Your free to speak if its what the cult wants to hear. Opposing opinions are not tolerated and have no less facts as the pumpers. Usually they have more facts then the pumpers.
And if Urban doesn't want to be called a crook then he needs to answer some questions instead of having PRIVATE lawyers tell him to take the fifth. And anwer the question on why he sold off his shares and why his family was given so many shares to sell. Why 703 billion shares were dumped on investors making their investments worthless. He deserves the crook title till he at least comes clean.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ric, CT tolerates negative opinion as long as it is backed up with some sort of facts or intelligent opinon. Do we allow people to just come in and say "Urban is a crook"? NO. That's for this board and RB.
[ September 23, 2005, 21:25: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
"CT tolerates negative opinion as long as it is backed up with some sort of facts or intelligent opinon"....now there's a load of chit...lol every known thing about cmkx, every document that has been exposed, the court transcript, what the auditor questioned, what frizzy has questioned is fact & those facts say scam. those facts say UC is a crook. about the only negative opinion CT will tolerate is complaining about not being rich yet or trying to put blame everywhere but where it belongs...UC's lap.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I think two people have been banned from CT since it's inception. What's the record on this thread?
Posted by Ric on :
I am sure that if I went over there that I would make three, lol.
And I am a nice guy.
Posted by will on :
I would be banned from CT before I got there, because I would select anitchrist as my user's name. Afterall, that is what y'all think of any dissenters.
Posted by Ric on :
And Bob only banned those that got personal over here. I mean really personal. Some of those that have came here from CT and PB have been nasty to say the least. The only thing they could do was attack poster because they had no facts to bring.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ric, CT tolerates negative opinion as long as it is backed up with some sort of facts or intelligent opinon. Do we allow people to just come in and say "Urban is a crook"? NO. That's for this board and RB.
Legal, that's BS. You cult members had all the facts here and when you refused to accept reality and facts, you went to the cookoo boards.
PS: And when someone calls Urban Casavant a crook, there are plenty of facts to back up that opinion. Therefore, it should always be allowed on those threads you frequent.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by will: I would be banned from CT before I got there, because I would select anitchrist as my user's name. Afterall, that is what y'all think of any dissenters.
When you sign up at a board, you're supposed to come up with a user name, not use your real name.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
How about Diablo?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Gosh it's good to be home. Can't you just smell the Christians burning at the stake.
Posted by Ric on :
CDLIC
Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 4,439 ** SEC Statement Re: CMKM Supposed "Gag Order" ** « Thread Started on Today at 6:05pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi All,
Some Board Members have stated the reason CMKM is not communicating and keeping its shareholders informed via PRs is because the Company is under some type of a "gag order" or mandated "silence period" or restriction by the SEC, etc., etc., etc.
Well, here is the bottom line as per my conversation today at 2:38PM PT with the SEC's Branch Chief, Mr. Marshall Sprung from the Los Angeles Office of the SEC. [By the way, Mr. Sprung works with Leslie Hakala on her cases and is "very familiar" with the CMKM case]
I asked him the following question:
Are you aware of any restriction placed on CMKM that would prevent them from releasing PRs such as a "gag order" or "silence period" or any such restriction.
His answer was a firm NO!...there is NO such restriction.
Therefore, this should put and end to the incorrect assumptions, statements, etc., regarding such.
Thus I ask: UC&Co. let's bring the shareholders up-to-date with a series of PRs and keep us informed as promised in CMKM's 2/11/05 PR stating:
"Maheu has also instructed management that regular reports to stockholders and the financial community are imperative."
CDLIC
Posted by legaleagle on :
Here's something new for this thread........DD........Remember DD?
Hopefully many of them, and all leading to some kind of valuation in our Saskatchewan claims. As most of you know I have been doing research on the land claims for over a year now. We have seen an enormous change in the landscape of the Fort a la Corne area, both in size, and in the ownership of mineral claims.
In the past 26 months CMKX has acquired land claims in 13 of those months, with the latest claims on record being staked on June 16th , 2005.
Here is a basic graphic of the area we now lay claim to in the Fort a la Corne area and Green Lake area of Saskatchewan. http://tinypic.com/drcvaa.jpg
To the left of the Fort a la Corne area you can see the Green Lake Area.
Claim: A claim may be held for two years and thereafter from year to year subject to the holder expending the required amounts in exploration operations on the claim lands (s. 34).
Work Requirements
The following exploration and development work will be accepted as assessment work for a permit, claim or lease (s. 69): 1. Stripping and trenching; 2. drilling; 3. geological, geophysical, and geochemical surveys; 4. prospecting; 5. necessary travelling and transportation costs, up to 10% of the cost of the assessment work performed; and 6. any other type of work approved by the Minister. The manner in which work must be reported is described in detail in the Regulations (ss. 70, 71 & Appendix 2).
Expenditures
Claim: The holder of a claim must make the following minimum expenditures on assessment work (s. 36): 1. 1st year - nil 2. 2nd to 10th year - $12.00 per hectare per year 3. After 10th year - $25.00 per hectare per year .
A disposition holder may pay cash in-lieu-of work, or may obtain an extension of up to one year by submitting a cash deposit or bond (ss. 39 & 58).
Deficiency Payments: If a deficiency payment is made in-lieu-of work for a disposition year, the deficiency deposit may refunded if sufficient work is undertaken within the next year to cover the requirement for two years. If sufficient work is not submitted, all or a portion of the deficiency deposit may be forfeited to the Crown. Deficiency cash payments, whether refunded or not, cannot be made for more than three consecutive years. After this time, work must be undertaken by the holder for at least one year (S. 39 & 58).
Extension of Time: An extension of time may be granted by the Minister to allow a holder an additional period of either 3, 6, 9 or 12 months to meet the expenditure requirements. There is a $30.00 application fee per disposition and if the work requirement is not met the cash deposit is forfeited to the Crown (s. 42). Excess work in one year may be credited towards work requirements in subsequent years for the term of the disposition (S. 38 & 57).
In the 025 Sask Ltd. Claims, we are approaching the two year mark +90 days for some claims in the Fort a la Corne area. In the following map we can see how some of these areas may be critical to the company. In terms of potential value these claims could contain something of worth when compared in location to other finds in the area. As you can see in the above regulations nothing is absolute in terns of the next 6 months as some have suggested. The company does still have other options available to them other than just letting the claims lapse.
Based on the above we come to this. The following are the claims in 101047025 SASKATCHEWAN LTD.
This table shows the date of expiration of the claims if no work is done on any of the claims, and the ministry of resources issues no extensions to pay any deficiency payments. The links take you to graphic images of the area locations on the Saskatchewan map.
May 6th ,1997 125 Hectares Lapsed * On October 2005 lapsed list.*
Date of Claim Area in Hectares Date of expiration + 90 days
As we can plainly see, a lot of these claims include areas surrounding known finds in the area. Some of these areas have been mentioned in PR’s in the past. It will be interesting to see, after the testing Mr. Koch has spoken of with a fellow shareholder, the company retains some of these claims, or allows them to lapse.
Keep in mind that if the lottery system of claiming lapsed mineral claims is implemented as planned in October 2005, in the southern mining district, companies will all have to change exploration strategies, and in that report results faster to ensure claims stay in good standing.
You can read the 2004 document put out by the Saskatchewan Gov't with regard to the lottery system here:
Yes, one of our Zinc Claims has been allowed to lapse. This is the type of situation I have been alluding to in the past week or so in my posts. We cannot reasonably expect every claim to be kept. With over a million acres in inventory, I as a shareholder would hope that after testing and evaluating each claims merits, the company would start purging some claims that are not as valuable as others may be. Here is a graphical representation of the Zinc Claims. Note the dates of the claims in the picture, two of the claims are from June of this year.
As you can see there are three of these claims approaching the 2 year + 90 day deadline for renewal. Again, whether the company renews these claims or not remains to be seen. The fact they did something this year in the same area already certainly lends creedence to the possibility they are still examining all options in the George Lake Area.
What does all this mean? Well, to me it means that all through the next year CMKX and its management team has many decisions to make regarding the core part of the business. To me it means we are not about to lose all of our claims as some people have stated we are. To me it means that CMKX is alive.
So of course we get to ask more questions…..
What claims will they keep? Which claims will be deemed expendable? Are there deals being made in Hong Kong / China? Will we be the miners? Or just the explorers? Will CMKX do both? Will we see a BHP or a TINTO come into the picture? Will we have more Joint Venture partners? Will we merge with another entity? Will we roll into another company?
To me this means that we can not be fearful of what the company leaves behind on its way to becoming a force to reckon with in the world of Diamonds but support the company to do the right things with what we have.
To me this means this is an exciting time to be a CMKX shareholder. I believe.
As always these are just my opinions on my research to date. If you find any errors please let me know and I will do my best to fix them.
ateyate
[ September 23, 2005, 22:26: Message edited by: legaleagle ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
i cant even believe how the cult took that line from UC's pr & ran with it. the pr stated IF...IF the SEC wanted us to shut up we would. the cult took that & turned it into a SEC gag order. all the SEC has asked of cmkx is to go public with every detail of the company info i.e., financial statements, share structure, claim info, core sample results, the details of any deals with other companies & where that money went. any right thinking persaon would be on the SEC's side on this one. the SEC might be screwing up in other area's, naked shorting for example but telling cmkx to put up or shut up is not the wrong thing to do.
Posted by will on :
Oh, stop yourself, man. no one is persicuting you crazies. Believe what you like. Believe people can die and be ok like the characters on star trek. Believe CMKX is a great investment and will make you rich. No one really cares what you folks think or beleive anymore, it has gotten to a point where it is laughable and you should be embarassed for yourselves. Who cares if you're a Christian or a lying hypocrite. Y'all lost your money and threw your minds after it. There isn't any NSS. There isn't any sting. There isn't any value. There is only your stubborn dumb asses that refuse to stop lying to yuorselves, and trying to pass that nonsense on to others. Yeah yeah, I know I'm just afraid I made a bad decsion and I feel like I'm outside looking in. You're on the inside crazy enough to believe that this mental masturbation you offer is acceptable, like monkies at zoo or people locked up in a nut house, you don't even know what you're doing is wrong. You're nuts!
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Gosh it's good to be home. Can't you smell the Christians burning at the stake.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
Careful! He's already attacked for someone's spelling. As far as burning is concerned, I well remember the cult's witch hunts....legal included.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, not 1 claim is in the name of CMKX. show us the document that says UC has put everything held in Sask 025 in CMKX's books. your talking about a guy that gave everyone he could millions if not billions of shares, his family, his friends, his friends families, their friends & their families. his clerk got $5 million worth of shares for pete's sake. remember the last we saw UC was not the only person on the owners list of sask 025. to be blunt your have no proof CMKM Diamonds holds claim to anything other then 1 mine shaft in S.A. & that doesn't bring in $1 million worth of gold a yr.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: will,
Careful! He's already attacked for someone's spelling. As far as burning is concerned, I well remember the cult's witch hunts....legal included.
If the pointy little hat fits..........
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Burn, baby, burn!
You do seem to wear that tall, pointed hat extremely well.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm wondering how long after cmkx is revoked the cult will sit there waiting for word from their fearless leader UC. we might get a pr saying something about as soon as they get an auditor they will get everything reported. they might add another SEC gag hint or something about lack of records but that will be the last thing heard from cmkx & UC.
Posted by Ric on :
This just blows my mind. I can't say anything and it be nice about this post. So I won't.
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IMO-Debi
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ric, she's out of her mind. Ignore such meanderings.
Posted by bill1352 on :
the best evidence cmkx had was UC taking the 5th. it was a 1 day thing thus the SEC brought out all that was needed to prove CMKX should be filing & wasn't & had little hope of ever being able too. 6 months later cmkx has done everything they could to prove the SEC correct. lost a second auditor & filed nothing. that auditor had to force UC to tell shareholders they found things that looked to be illegal.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, not 1 claim is in the name of CMKX. show us the document that says UC has put everything held in Sask 025 in CMKX's books. your talking about a guy that gave everyone he could millions if not billions of shares, his family, his friends, his friends families, their friends & their families. his clerk got $5 million worth of shares for pete's sake. remember the last we saw UC was not the only person on the owners list of sask 025. to be blunt your have no proof CMKM Diamonds holds claim to anything other then 1 mine shaft in S.A. & that doesn't bring in $1 million worth of gold a yr.
Bill, surely you have seen the lease agreement between CMKX and Emmerson Koch for the 025 claims.
Posted by will on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Ric, she's out of her mind. Ignore such meanderings.
Here's proof she has completley lost her mind:
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Anticipation
There are millions of CMKX theories out there. Almost as many as there are shares in brokerage accounts or sands on the sea shores. I think I have a good handle on things. Many of you do not follow the message boards and all the rumors.
I think a settlement is about to happen on the naked shorted portion of our stock in the next 30 days or less. Andy recently said we have no adversary, only success. I think we will see a settlement as early as Monday. If it takes longer I won't think it isn't coming. Everything is coming together and the short needs to be resolved. It is too big to trade away.
The settlement could come a couple of ways. I am convinced The money is there. How it gets to us can occur in a couple of ways. One is it shows up in our accounts. That's easy. We do nothing.
Another way the settlement money could come is a controlled 'short squeeze'. It won't be a real short squeeze, but may look like one to some people. The price could go up a little or gap to .10 on news and go up to a 'fake celing' which is really the settlement prices. It may look like people are buying and selling but it will be selling only. No retail buying.
If we have this kind of settlement then selling only small amounts until it gets to the .50 range is advised. I don't know what the settlement price will be. But I think that .10 is too low. Obviously I want it to go as high as possible.
A 'manipulated cover' type settlement could come anytime on news. Today? Why not?
Taxes are a consideration if we are selling. So if you have friends or family you are giving shares to it may be wise to transer those shares and let them pay the taxes. If you have certs take them to the broker and bring the person you want to gift shares to with you to open their own account.
Also if you are going to give to charities for a tax write off it might be better to donate the shares directly to the charity, than to sell and donate the money. You can write off the full amount of the value as a deduction but the stock has to be over one year old. It is worth talking to a tax attorney when we are speaking about this kind of money. Hopefully everyone has a plan to make good use of it. If you need a worthy charity, my Day of Hope board is tax deductible, and sponsors desperately poor children around the world through World Vision. World Vision takes them and their community out of poverty forever. It really works. .87 out of every dollar goes to the child and his/her community project. WV has annual audited financials. They communities get the tools needed to take them to sustainable development. There is a link to the CMKX day of hope site at the bottom. Signing up is always appreciated but you can post or lurk without signing up.
I will be taking groups of people to visit various World Vision projects in Asia, Africa, Latin and South America including some islands. I need to add trip info to the day of hope board but it will be coming very soon. (I started adding it today). You can email your interest or PM me on that board.
I am hoping to be in Vegas for the inevitable party that CMKX will have. I hope it is this October. A year later than the first one.
I plan to host a suite for World Vision and Christian Traders at the Wynn. Bring the family by. I will post hours for open house. Definitely will have a Cappucino station. Kool Aid fountain (CMKX cult joke) and some other perks.
This is IMO as usual.
I think if you are in you win and hopefully Wynn! ( I really do want to have another party in Vegas). The first one was fun but we didn't get our good news. I think it is coming now. (need a different word besides soon, close and now. Perhaps when we can write IT HAPPENED!!! some will believe.)
IMO-God Bless-Debi
Posted by will on :
"It is worth talking to a tax attorney when we are speaking about this kind of money."
"this kind of money" LOL
They have their life's savings in this pos. Crazies! Unbelievable!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Zilch $$$$$s. The damn tax atty would cost a hell of a lot more than the shares are worth.
Posted by Ric on :
Yes its a lease agreement. But that mean CMKX doesn't own it and that means unless something is found, CMKX does not have any valuation. I mean, If I lease a house and it doesn't work out, I can't sell it because it doesn't belong to me. Besides that how do you know that new claims that Koch picks up are cmkx's?
But it still comes down to money and exploration. Exploration is a huge expense. Looks like UC blew all the money on race cars, hummers, home, slots and friends. The books say CMKX is in debt so where is the money to explore? I think Debeers spent what 1.2 billion to explore Canada? UC stopped filing for a reason, he promoted Got CMKX for a reason and that reason was made clear. Pump and Dump. Any novice in the market can look at the records and see that.
Posted by Ric on :
Will, thats the post she claimed that she dreamed about on PB. That was why my post said I had a dream cmkx bla bla bla earlier last page.
Posted by will on :
Sorry Ric, I missed the dream sequence, and the Dr King, I have a dream speech from her. I don't visit other boards. Someone PM'd me that earlier today, that's how I got it to repost. Just shameful nonsense.
Posted by ed19363 on :
So, there is no gag order...wonder how UC and Mahoo will explain why they have been silent for so long. And for legal, show me a PR with everything in it that you have been spouting, and then I'll believe it. Remember we were told not to believe ANYTHING that wasnt in a PR? Well, where are they? Andy has time to send cryptic little messages on yahoo, but no time to get a PR? That guy is worse than Melvin !!!! Even if they dont have any records or financials, that doesnt stop them from issuing a PR about what they are DOING. No drilling news, no results, no nothing, just a bunch of bullcrap from people like you. I still dont think you know what you are talking about, because you offer no proof, just innuendo. And as long as you keep that up, you are a bull artist just like UC.
Posted by will on :
ed, you just don't know the difference between bullchit and horsechit. Bullchit is the when a guy is lying and doesn't know what he's talking about, horsechit is when he belives his bullchit.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i saw the lease agreement legal, according to that agreement & known cmkx facts i'd say that agreement has as much value as 1 share of cmkx has today. that half-azz general ledger had nothing in it saying UC was keeping up his end of that agreement.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Nor does it say he isn't.
Posted by ed19363 on :
can you prove a negative? I have no proof that I have never been on a space shuttle. But you have no proof that I havent.
So what does that mean? SQUAT !!!
Posted by will on :
Horsechit !
Posted by ed19363 on :
It is true.
Some people ARE alive only because it is illegal to kill them.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
The plot thickens.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: can you prove a negative? I have no proof that I have never been on a space shuttle. But you have no proof that I havent.
So what does that mean? SQUAT !!!
Thanks Ed, you prove my point with Bill:
Bill: i saw the lease agreement legal, according to that agreement & known cmkx facts i'd say that agreement has as much value as 1 share of cmkx has today. that half-azz general ledger had nothing in it saying UC was keeping up his end of that agreement.
Bill refers to a "half-azz" ledger and because it doesn't say anything he assumes that it doesn't exist. How do you prove or disprove a negative like that. That is the real "horse-chit" on this thread. There is a very real lease and it places UC's, long-time, best friend, Emmerson Koch in control of the claims for us and our rights are secured by a lease and mining agreement, plain and simple.
Now when the "run up" starts soon, would all of you please sell any shares you might still have. Especially before the settlement. It just wouldn't seem right for those of you have bashed UC et al, to share in the profits.
Posted by Ric on :
L: "Now when the "run up" starts soon"
Leave it to you legal to give me the biggest laugh. I hope you stick around long enough to apologize.
Posted by Ric on :
Pedro has a nice reply to the claims that are supposed to be under lease. There suppose to be an amendment A for new claims and the company never filed it. I know legal will so that it doesn't prove they didn't but they bragged about everything else. So all those new claims legal boosted about may not be CMKX's after all.
claims are protected???? i missed something. where does it say the claims are protected? is there an agreement in place that protects those claims? it would seem protection is provided by meeting your end of the lease agreement. if that has been done it would make sence that there is a record of the money spent. a $5 million pay out on the date stated in the contract till 2008. that would mean a payment was made just about 2 months ago. $36 million in the hole, needs $5 million for diamond claims, $2 million for gold claims & a 703.5 billion o/s. oh ya about a 60 days from being revoked. did i mention that $5 million payment would increase if the amount of claims increased according to the contract? yep i'd say this was all set for a big pps run up. good call legal.....legal, i think you need your medication adjusted.
Posted by Ric on :
Well, he was answering someones else's claims that they were protected. This is the key to his post that I found intriguing. Where is the amended schedule A?
In order to include the claims acquired after 08/01/2003, there must be an Amendment to the Mineral Lease Agreement dated 08/01/2003. In addition, the annual lease payment will increase.
Page 4 ~~ Section 9
From lease agreement:
"The parties acknowledge and agree that in the event 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd., acquires additional land or mineral claims as they become available within the Province of Saskatchewan, that CMKI shall have a first right to acquire said properties from 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd., on the same terms and conditions as set forth herein at a price to be mutually determined by nor parties. In the event new claims are acquired, Schedule A hereto shall be amended to reflect the newly acquired properties and the terms of payment and rights to provide exploration, drilling and related work shall extend five years from the date of said claims. "
Posted by Ric on :
Mineral Lease Agreement with EMERSON KOCH
This agreement is dated 08/01/2003.
Please note that Schedule A has been omitted from the agreement. Schedule A is a list of claims that pertain to this contract.
Page 1
Quote:"WHEREAS 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd., has acquired certain mining claims from the Province of Saskatchewan and all rights, concessions and obligations attached hereto, a list of said claims being attached hereto as Schedule A"
The Mineral Lease Agreement is dated 08/01/2003.
Only those claims acquired by 7025 prior to 08/01/2003 will be on Schedule A.
Posted by Ric on :
Blast from the past. There is only three names listed in this. I don't understand why the cult can't see the writting on the wall that it was UC that dumped shares. Sack. sure seen it and stopped it.
IN THE MATTER OF THE SECURITIES ACT, 1988, S.S. 1988, c. S-42.2 AND IN THE MATTER OF URBAN ARMAND JOSEPH CASAVANT DAVID DeSORMEAU CASAVANT MINING KIMBERLITE INTERNATIONAL CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. MELVIN A. O'NEIL TEMPORARY ORDER (Section 134)
WHEREAS the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission (the "Commission") has delegated to the Director of the Securities Division (the "Director") the power to make orders pursuant to Section 134 of The Securities Act, 1988 (the Act); WHEREAS it has been represented to the Director by the staff of the Commission that: 1. Urban Armand Joseph Casavant ("Casavant"), David DeSormeau ("DeSormeau"), Casavant Mining Kimberlite International ("CMKI"), CMKM Diamonds, Inc. ("CMKM") and Melvin A. O'Neil ("O'Neil"), (collectively the "Respondents") have traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM in Saskatchewan; 2. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when they were not registered pursuant to section 27 of the Act; 3. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when no receipt had been issued pursuant to section 58 of the Act with respect to those securities; 4. The Commission or Director has not issued an order pursuant to sections 83, 160 or any other provision of the Act exempting the Respondents and the securities of CMKI and CMKM from the registration and prospectus requirements of the Act; 5. The Respondents have, with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of CMKI and CMKM, made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are misrepresentations, contrary to subsection 44(3.1) of the Act; AND WHEREAS the Director is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this Order; AND WHEREAS the Director is of the opinion that the length of time required for a hearing would be prejudicial to the public interest; THE DIRECTOR HEREBY ORDERS: 1. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act that trading in all securities by and of The Respondents cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004; and 2. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(a) of the Act, that the exemptions contained in sections 38, 39, 39.1, 81, 82 and 102 of the Act and the exemptions contained in The Securities Regulations, R.R.S., c. S-42.2 Reg 1, which provide for exemptions from the requirements of sections 27, 58, 71 or 104 to 109 of the Act, shall not apply forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004, with respect to any trade in securities by the Respondents; AND TAKE NOTICE THAT: 1. This Order may be extended for such period as the Director considers necessary where sufficient information is not provided to the Director on or before November 9, 2004; 2. The Commission will, at the request of any person or company named in this Order, grant a hearing before the Commission with respect to the within matter, such hearing to be held at such time and place as the Commission shall determine; 3. The purpose of such hearing will be to consider whether it is in the public interest that a permanent cease trade order pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act and a permanent prohibition of statutory exemptions pursuant to clause 134(1)(a) of the Act be made with respect to the Respondents by reason of the conduct herein before described and by reason of failing to provide the Commission with satisfactory information on or before the date of the hearing or any extension thereof by the Commission; 4. Any party to these proceedings may be represented by counsel of their choice at any such hearing before the Commission; and 5. Upon failure of any party to attend any such hearing at the time and place set therefore, the hearing may proceed in the absence of such party and such party is not entitled to any further notice of the proceedings therein. DATED at Regina, Saskatchewan on October 26, 2004. “Barbara Shourounis”<br>Barbara Shourounis Director - Securities Division Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission
IN THE MATTER OF THE SECURITIES ACT, 1988, S. S. 1988, c. S-42.2 AND IN THE MATTER OF URBAN ARMAND JOSEPH CASAVANT DAVID DeSORMEAU CASAVANT MINING KIMBERLITE INTERNATIONAL CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. MELVIN A. O'NEIL EXTENDING ORDER (Section 134) WHEREAS the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission, Securities Division issued a Temporary Order dated October 26, 2004 (the "Temporary Order") pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of The Securities Act, 1988, S.S. 1988, c. S-42.2 (the "Act") that trading in securities in Saskatchewan by Urban Armand Joseph Casavant ("Casavant"), David DeSormeau ("DeSormeau"), Casavant Mining Kimberlite International ("CMKI"), CMKM Diamonds, Inc. ("CMKM") and Melvin A. O'Neil ("O'Neil"), (collectively the "Respondents"); cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004 and that pursuant to clause 134(1)(a) of the Act that the exemptions contained in sections 38, 39, 39.1, 81, 82, and 102 of the Act and the exemptions contained in The Securities Regulations, R.R.S., c. S-42.2 Reg 1, which provide for exemptions from the requirements of sections 27, 58, 71, or 104 to 109 of the Act, shall not apply forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004 with respect to any trade in securities by the Respondents; AND WHEREAS the Commission has not received a request from the Respondents for a hearing pursuant to the terms of the Temporary Order; AND WHEREAS the Commission has not been provided with satisfactory information with respect to this matter; AND WHEREAS the Commission is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this Order;
THE COMMISSION HEREBY ORDERS pursuant to subsection 134(3) of the Act that the Temporary Order be and is hereby extended until the Commission is provided with satisfactory information to enable it to make a further order in this matter. DATED at Regina, Saskatchewan on November 9, 2004. "David Wild" David Wild, Chairperson Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission
Posted by bill1352 on :
5. The Respondents have, with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of CMKI and CMKM, made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are misrepresentations,
i think that says it all. you dont see the canadian partners ever mentioning those claims in any way. the 1 time they did they were halted until theyt pr'ed the fact that diamondferious was in reality .0011 micrograms. also as i posted the payment according to that contract is over $5 million as Ric was kind enough to post. without that amendment these new claims are not part of the deal. in fact there should be a number of new amendments as Pedro's findings show claims being filed right up into this yr. each new set of claims would require a new amendment & a new price to be paid. that $5 million could be $10 million by now.
Posted by bill1352 on :
hmmmm, just had a thought....legal might be right about this sting thing. wouldn't the sting company be a company with no real assets? sure seems to look like cmkx fits that mold.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: can you prove a negative? I have no proof that I have never been on a space shuttle. But you have no proof that I havent.
So what does that mean? SQUAT !!!
Thanks Ed, you prove my point with Bill:
Bill: i saw the lease agreement legal, according to that agreement & known cmkx facts i'd say that agreement has as much value as 1 share of cmkx has today. that half-azz general ledger had nothing in it saying UC was keeping up his end of that agreement.
Bill refers to a "half-azz" ledger and because it doesn't say anything he assumes that it doesn't exist. How do you prove or disprove a negative like that. That is the real "horse-chit" on this thread. There is a very real lease and it places UC's, long-time, best friend, Emmerson Koch in control of the claims for us and our rights are secured by a lease and mining agreement, plain and simple.
Now when the "run up" starts soon, would all of you please sell any shares you might still have. Especially before the settlement. It just wouldn't seem right for those of you have bashed UC et al, to share in the profits.
Legal, you freaking idiot, I was talking about YOU, not Bill. Ever since this started, you have been bringing in theory after theory with no proof of anything at all. Riddles and rhymes with not one solid fact to back them up. No names, just guessing games. IMHO, if you really knew anything you would do all of us a favor and share anything you know for a fact. I know most here would really like to know WTF if going on. Most investors I know SHARE their DD instead of turning it into a game. We are all here for the same thing, making money. Maybe I havent made myself plain enough. My opinion of you is that you know nothing, are probably being paid to spread your garbage, and only post for the attention it brings you. I hope we never meet, because I would be severely tempted to smack you just for drill. Now you are free to twist this any way you want, or you just might consider sharing something that would make us all believers, instead of spreading innuendos. I cant speak any clearer than that. So you go on posting your drivel, and when all the smoke clears we will see who knew what.
Posted by legaleagle on :
STING OR SCAM, YOU DECIDE. « Thread Started on Yesterday at 12:35pm »
So you say you have the evidence of Urban's bad faith with the shareholders? What you have is the "one-sided" stack of papers distributed by the SEC in their investigation of CMKX. Do they look bad for Urban and company? You bet, they were gathered by a government organization bent on accumulating and placing the worst light possible on a company. That's their job. Stoecklein's job is/was to show the other side, and for whatever reason, he chose not to. And I suspect that his reasons were proper and judicious.
But with that said, let me present a different picture than the one being presented here by some who have seen those documents. My background is a retired White Collar Crime Detective in a major midwestern city police department. During that time, I had occasion many times to investigate organized criminal corporate crime. So my opinion here is based on some experience, but it is opinion only.
I received a tip last year that the operations of CMKX were a "sting" operation by the Department of Justice, springing from the arrest, conviction and turning of states evidence by Shawn Hackman. I have been looking and researching from that point of view ever since, and have seen nothing to dissuade or discourage that point of view. Quite the contrary, I have seen mounting evidence that tends to support it.
So just for the sake of argument, let me present a possible scenario.
Shawn Hackman is picked up by the DOJ for his activities in a major criminal enterprise.
Hackman flips on everyone he has done business with.
Ed Dhonau's name comes up from corporate activity he shared with Hackman.
Dhonau is called in by DOJ and presented with facts and evidence against him, and given an opportunity to work with the Feds to get to their real target.
Dhonau calls his long time attorney, Roger Glenn, to broker the deal.
Roger involves himself and the DOJ wants to use CMKX as their vehicle for additional sting operations.
UC is called upon to act as the "principal" of the sting, along with Dhonau, and begins "maneuvering" the company in the directions required by the DOJ to gather the necessary information on the "target".
At this point, Urban would have been required to do any number of things that might appear "shady" or criminal in order to accomplish investigative goals. Yes, monies would have changed hands, documents would have been created, shares would have been distributed questionably. In summary, he would have followed the instructions of the DOJ to remain actively complicit in the operations of the "target" until they had gathered enough evidence to spring the trap. I think that was substantially completed several months ago. But DOJ cases often extend out into other operations of their targets, and it is a slow, belabored operation to gather all of the necessary evidence for proper presentation to a special Grand Jury for indictments, frequently encompassing hundreds of counts of criminal activity.
So what happens to the company and the co-operating "principal"? The company goes on with business. In this case, they go on accumulating claims, drilling holes, sampling cores, etc.; while the DOJ goes on about it's prosecution efforts. And the principal goes on acting out his role as best he can until the sting is totally revealed. That most definitely includes PUBLIC SILENCE about anything which might reveal the sting. It includes going on with the "appearance" of being complicit with the target. It includes appearing to be a target of investigation himself, until the sting is complete.
Is Urban capable of carrying out all of this himself? Is he capable of keeping the sting confidential under the scrutiny of partners, thousand of shareholders and other government agencies? Is he capable of keeping the company together and functional under intense public scrutiny of his operations? No, probably not.
In comes Maheu, courtesy of the DOJ. (Of course he has been quietly involved since 03 and the Crystallix deals) Capable of holding together a corporation in troubled times. Capable of "conditioning atmospheres". Capable of brokering deals with Government and Industry. Capable of maintaining secrecy. Capable of assisting in prosecutions. Capable of working with intelligence agencies who may be examining financial terrorism emanating from the hedge funds. Capable of turning back threats from organized crime figures and cartels. How else would a "penny pink scam" manage to involve a man of Maheu's stature and experience except through high level, government intervention?
So is this what happened? I don't know for sure, it's only an opinion. But an opinion that is as valid as anything that has been thrown out here in recent weeks. I know this though, if you apply this scenario, many questionable and troubling occurences begin to make a lot more sense.
All in my opinion of course.
Posted by bill1352 on :
you posted that 1 before legal. any person with their head based in reality would look at that & ask if the person that wrote it was seeking help with their drug problem or if maybe they had missed their medication for a few days. at best they would ask if that person was seeking the help of the mental health profession. the whole sting idea is based on a way to make a swcam look good or keep the dream alive. something, anything to explain a company that has taken 50K ppl for a ride & kicked them out of the bus at the end.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bill you are the one who brought up the sting again. Just trying to accomodate.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ed: "Legal, you freaking idiot, I was talking about YOU, not Bill. Ever since this started, you have been bringing in theory after theory with no proof of anything at all. Riddles and rhymes with not one solid fact to back them up. No names, just guessing games. IMHO, if you really knew anything you would do all of us a favor and share anything you know for a fact. I know most here would really like to know WTF if going on. Most investors I know SHARE their DD instead of turning it into a game. We are all here for the same thing, making money. Maybe I havent made myself plain enough. My opinion of you is that you know nothing, are probably being paid to spread your garbage, and only post for the attention it brings you. I hope we never meet, because I would be severely tempted to smack you just for drill. Now you are free to twist this any way you want, or you just might consider sharing something that would make us all believers, instead of spreading innuendos. I cant speak any clearer than that. So you go on posting your drivel, and when all the smoke clears we will see who knew what."
Ed, you have made yourself "plain enough" before. Your responses to me speak clearly to the source. You think you made a mistake investing in CMKX. Other posters here support that feeling. Since you are angry at the company and it's management, you are also angry at anyone who speaks in support of the company. You align yourself with anyone who feels as you do and oppose those who do not. Simple "tribal" behavior.
However, such "tribal" behavior as "chest beating" amongst primates, is usually an activity of the young apes. The older apes have discovered that such thumping only hurts their chest and does nothing to the supposed enemy.
That leads me to believe that you must be very young and immature. And your name calling is stictly elementary school stuff.
You accuse me of pumping a .0001 stock that already has over 50,000 investors. Quite frankly, my wishes would be for folks to sell so that we can get the OS down to a reasonable level, and can go on with mining operations unimpeded.
Now, you want me to share what I KNOW about the company with folks here. Well, if I did that, my sources of facts would dry up. People who really know about this company, don't want it put out yet, and I respect their wishes.
And should we ever meet, and you are tempted to "smack me just for drill", please be aware that I wasn't always a white collar crime detective, I spent many years working in the ghetto as a tactical enforcement officer. Other young and inexperienced folks thought they might try the same thing. There's one of those "facts" that you wanted me to share.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:"So you say you have the evidence of Urban's bad faith with the shareholders? What you have is the "one-sided" stack of papers distributed by the SEC in their investigation of CMKX. Do they look bad for Urban and company? You bet, they were gathered by a government organization bent on accumulating and placing the worst light possible on a company. That's their job. Stoecklein's job is/was to show the other side, and for whatever reason, he chose not to. And I suspect that his reasons were proper and judicious."
Now this one statement shows how the cult refuses reality. CMKX had a chance to show there side. Trials or hearings aren't one sided. Both sides are given equal chances to represent themselves. And there is no conspiracy to stop CMKX from proving there side. This is America not Russia. CMKX has been given numerous opportunities to prove that the government was wrong and not only haven't they, they continue by still not filing. If CMKX was for real and not hiding information it doesn't take 8 months to file an audit. And according to UC they been trying for 2 years. Thats not trying, thats excuses while not filing. Because if you really want to file, you give the accountants the paperwork they need, period.
You have one officer taking the fifth. The other claiming he knows nothing, Auditors quiting because they can't get anything and even one that claims wrong doings and was fired for making the company file a 8-K on it. Yeah I see how this can look one sided for someone who refuses to look at the other side without those rose colored glasses on.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric they were charged with failing to file. That's all. They have filed their responses to the charges and it is now up to the Commission to rule whether the ALJ was correct in her findings, prior to the case going to a Federal Appeals Ct., where they stand a chance of having a neutral judge review the case. It does us little good to attempt to try the case on message boards.
But it is apparent to all, that the SEC has nothing on UC, or the company, other than failure to file.
After at least a year of investigation, starting with USCA last year, CMKX has been thoroughly investigated and not one single criminal or civil charge has been leveled against anyone, other than a simple administrative charge of failing to file. And even that one is weak at best.
Posted by ed19363 on :
That leads me to believe that you must be very young and immature. And your name calling is stictly elementary school stuff.
You accuse me of pumping a .0001 stock that already has over 50,000 investors. Quite frankly, my wishes would be for folks to sell so that we can get the OS down to a reasonable level, and can go on with mining operations unimpeded.
Now, you want me to share what I KNOW about the company with folks here. Well, if I did that, my sources of facts would dry up. People who really know about this company, don't want it put out yet, and I respect their wishes.
And should we ever meet, and you are tempted to "smack me just for drill", please be aware that I wasn't always a white collar crime detective, I spent many years working in the ghetto as a tactical enforcement officer. Other young and inexperienced folks thought they might try the same thing. There's one of those "facts" that you wanted me to share.
I/m 62, and in fairly good shape. And I dont give a damn if you were a fuzz or not. You're still full of horsechit. Oh, and you're not much of a psychologist either. Monkeys?? HA ha..
Posted by bill1352 on :
"You accuse me of pumping a .0001 stock that already has over 50,000 investors. Quite frankly, my wishes would be for folks to sell so that we can get the OS down to a reasonable level, and can go on with mining operations unimpeded. "
explain how ppl selling reduces the o/s? the company is not buying back anything. ppl selling does nothing to the o/s. it does drop the pps not that the pps dropping would have any meaning, its in the 5th digit now.
"After at least a year of investigation, starting with USCA last year, CMKX has been thoroughly investigated and not one single criminal or civil charge has been leveled against anyone, other than a simple administrative charge of failing to file. And even that one is weak at best. "
i guess hakala stating she left the illegal trading proof at home is meaningless. once revoked i'm betting criminal charges will be leveled. weak at best???? they still haven't filed, they can't keep an auditor. they have no books to audit. they lied a number of times about filing. they lied to quit filing. you call that weak? just what would be a strong case in your mind?
Posted by johnny14511 on :
so this company searches mines for diamonds???
what happens if they find a bunch of diamonds?? millions of dollars worth?
Posted by Ric on :
What amazes me bill is that legal claims to be a retired cop. I mean there are cases everyday made by police and prosecutors that are a lot weaker then this. He refuses to look at evidence but rather believe theories. A cop doesn't think that way from all I know and worked with. And being in the military police if I brought someone to Captains mast with this much evidence then it would be a court martial for sure. I really starting to wonder if its true and if it was then it had to be a desk job.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by johnny14511: so this company searches mines for diamonds???
what happens if they find a bunch of diamonds?? millions of dollars worth?
No they sell shares. There promotion was there stock symbol not the company. They have to have money to find anything and the company is in debt and they can no longer sell shares. Find diamonds, lol.
What if they didn't scam 50,000 people into buying 703 billion worthless shares. Even if they could find diamonds tommorow this stock couldn't move. The top 500 public companies in America don't have 703 billion shares combined.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Gosh it's good to be home. Can't you just smell the Christians burning at the stake.
Legal, you got me on mispelling deception. But you need a grammar lesson. "It's" is used when something is possessive.
And yes, most of you are STUPID in your ability to invest wisely. You've given 'less than one month's pay' to a scam artist like UC.... money that you'll never see again. My point is that you continue to invest (or encourage the investment) of good money after bad. ALL of your CMKX money will soon be gone, you therefore have no profit or gain from CMKX that you could share with the victims of the hurricanes.
I'm not implying that you've done nothing (how would I know what other things you spend money on?), instead I'm saying that your blind faith in this scam has limited your ability to profit and thus help others.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: "You accuse me of pumping a .0001 stock that already has over 50,000 investors. Quite frankly, my wishes would be for folks to sell so that we can get the OS down to a reasonable level, and can go on with mining operations unimpeded. "
explain how ppl selling reduces the o/s? the company is not buying back anything. ppl selling does nothing to the o/s. it does drop the pps not that the pps dropping would have any meaning, its in the 5th digit now.
"After at least a year of investigation, starting with USCA last year, CMKX has been thoroughly investigated and not one single criminal or civil charge has been leveled against anyone, other than a simple administrative charge of failing to file. And even that one is weak at best. "
i guess hakala stating she left the illegal trading proof at home is meaningless. once revoked i'm betting criminal charges will be leveled. weak at best???? they still haven't filed, they can't keep an auditor. they have no books to audit. they lied a number of times about filing. they lied to quit filing. you call that weak? just what would be a strong case in your mind?
bill, it doesn't reduce when buys match sells, but they don't with CMKX because shorty is buying them back and taking them off the market to reduce their NS positions. Perhaps a better statement would be to "reduce the NS" so we can go on with our mining operations. But, yes, I think UC and friends are still buying back.
Law enforcement does not wait for some silly civil case before they bring charges and a halt to damaging illegal activity. If they have the evidence, they move quickly.
Failing to file, even lying about it, is not criminal, unless under oath. They don't want to file at the present time, nor did they want an audit at this time. They obviously do have records because the IRS hasn't shut them down for failing to file income taxes.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Gosh it's good to be home. Can't you just smell the Christians burning at the stake.
Legal, you got me on mispelling deception. But you need a grammar lesson. "It's" is used when something is possessive.
And yes, most of you are STUPID in your ability to invest wisely. You've given 'less than one month's pay' to a scam artist like UC.... money that you'll never see again. My point is that you continue to invest (or encourage the investment) of good money after bad. ALL of your CMKX money will soon be gone, you therefore have no profit or gain from CMKX that you could share with the victims of the hurricanes.
I'm not implying that you've done nothing (how would I know what other things you spend money on?), instead I'm saying that your blind faith in this scam has limited your ability to profit and thus help others.
Santa there's an old saying about "opening your mouth and proving it". It's is both posssessive and a proper contraction for IT IS.
As far as giving away money, the stock is still trading right around what I paid for it. No loss unless I sell it now. And that loss would only be the profit that is coming.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: "You accuse me of pumping a .0001 stock that already has over 50,000 investors. Quite frankly, my wishes would be for folks to sell so that we can get the OS down to a reasonable level, and can go on with mining operations unimpeded. "
explain how ppl selling reduces the o/s? the company is not buying back anything. ppl selling does nothing to the o/s. it does drop the pps not that the pps dropping would have any meaning, its in the 5th digit now.
"After at least a year of investigation, starting with USCA last year, CMKX has been thoroughly investigated and not one single criminal or civil charge has been leveled against anyone, other than a simple administrative charge of failing to file. And even that one is weak at best. "
i guess hakala stating she left the illegal trading proof at home is meaningless. once revoked i'm betting criminal charges will be leveled. weak at best???? they still haven't filed, they can't keep an auditor. they have no books to audit. they lied a number of times about filing. they lied to quit filing. you call that weak? just what would be a strong case in your mind?
bill, it doesn't reduce when buys match sells, but they don't with CMKX because shorty is buying them back and taking them off the market to reduce their NS positions. Perhaps a better statement would be to "reduce the NS" so we can go on with our mining operations. But, yes, I think UC and friends are still buying back.
Law enforcement does not wait for some silly civil case before they bring charges and a halt to damaging illegal activity. If they have the evidence, they move quickly.
Failing to file, even lying about it, is not criminal, unless under oath. They don't want to file at the present time, nor did they want an audit at this time. They obviously do have records because the IRS hasn't shut them down for failing to file income taxes.
So now the IRS shuts people down? I guess the SEC didn't get the memo.
Legal, answer me this one question: Why does this company have 703 BILLION outsanding shares????
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by johnny14511: so this company searches mines for diamonds???
what happens if they find a bunch of diamonds?? millions of dollars worth?
johnny, this company drills virgin ground in search of diamonds. The mining comes when they find samples of diamonds in their core samples from drilling.
When they find and mine the diamonds, it will probably be in the billions of dollars of valuation. I think they already have found them, that is why they haven't just folded their tents and scurried off under the scrutiny.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: What amazes me bill is that legal claims to be a retired cop. I mean there are cases everyday made by police and prosecutors that are a lot weaker then this. He refuses to look at evidence but rather believe theories. A cop doesn't think that way from all I know and worked with. And being in the military police if I brought someone to Captains mast with this much evidence then it would be a court martial for sure. I really starting to wonder if its true and if it was then it had to be a desk job.
Ric, if you are really concerned, you already know my real name and the city I served. Here's how you do DD: The local newspaper is the Indianapolis Star. I am sure they will be happy to refer you to the old news articles.
And BTW, if you brought a case like this to Captain's Mast and found out that the individuals were working with Military Intelligence, what would have happened?
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Gosh it's good to be home. Can't you just smell the Christians burning at the stake.
Legal, you got me on mispelling deception. But you need a grammar lesson. "It's" is used when something is possessive.
And yes, most of you are STUPID in your ability to invest wisely. You've given 'less than one month's pay' to a scam artist like UC.... money that you'll never see again. My point is that you continue to invest (or encourage the investment) of good money after bad. ALL of your CMKX money will soon be gone, you therefore have no profit or gain from CMKX that you could share with the victims of the hurricanes.
I'm not implying that you've done nothing (how would I know what other things you spend money on?), instead I'm saying that your blind faith in this scam has limited your ability to profit and thus help others.
Santa there's an old saying about "opening your mouth and proving it". It's is both posssessive and a proper contraction for IT IS.
As far as giving away money, the stock is still trading right around what I paid for it. No loss unless I sell it now. And that loss would only be the profit that is coming.
Stock investment points: Legal -100,000 points, santacruzblur 1 point (hey, it is easy to know this is a scam).
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Gosh it's good to be home. Can't you just smell the Christians burning at the stake.
Legal, you got me on mispelling deception. But you need a grammar lesson. "It's" is used when something is possessive.
And yes, most of you are STUPID in your ability to invest wisely. You've given 'less than one month's pay' to a scam artist like UC.... money that you'll never see again. My point is that you continue to invest (or encourage the investment) of good money after bad. ALL of your CMKX money will soon be gone, you therefore have no profit or gain from CMKX that you could share with the victims of the hurricanes.
I'm not implying that you've done nothing (how would I know what other things you spend money on?), instead I'm saying that your blind faith in this scam has limited your ability to profit and thus help others.
Santa there's an old saying about "opening your mouth and proving it". It's is both posssessive and a proper contraction for IT IS.
As far as giving away money, the stock is still trading right around what I paid for it. No loss unless I sell it now. And that loss would only be the profit that is coming.
Stock investment points: Legal -100,000 points, santacruzblur 1 point (hey, it is easy to know this is a scam).
CORRECTION: It's is always a contraction. And Its is always possessive.
Legal: 1.5 points (he losses a bit because he was only half right) santacruzblur: .5 points (I can't give myself more)
Posted by legaleagle on :
There ya go, Santa.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Gosh it's good to be home. Can't you just smell the Christians burning at the stake.
Legal, you got me on mispelling deception. But you need a grammar lesson. "It's" is used when something is possessive.
And yes, most of you are STUPID in your ability to invest wisely. You've given 'less than one month's pay' to a scam artist like UC.... money that you'll never see again. My point is that you continue to invest (or encourage the investment) of good money after bad. ALL of your CMKX money will soon be gone, you therefore have no profit or gain from CMKX that you could share with the victims of the hurricanes.
I'm not implying that you've done nothing (how would I know what other things you spend money on?), instead I'm saying that your blind faith in this scam has limited your ability to profit and thus help others.
Santa there's an old saying about "opening your mouth and proving it". It's is both posssessive and a proper contraction for IT IS.
As far as giving away money, the stock is still trading right around what I paid for it. No loss unless I sell it now. And that loss would only be the profit that is coming.
Its is the possessive pronoun; it modifies a noun.
It's is a contraction of it is or it has.
Incorrect: The mother cat carried it's kitten in it's mouth. (Possessive pronoun, no apostrophe)
Correct: The mother cat carried its kitten in its mouth.
Correct: I think it's going to rain today. (Contraction of it is)
Correct: It's been a very long time. (Contraction of it has)
Posted by legaleagle on :
When's the bell for recess?
Posted by Ric on :
Isn't Military Intelligence a oxymoron, lol.
Besides I wasn't talking about the case itself but the amount of evidence. And as I said many time, all the government could get Al Capone on was tax evasion but the knew he was a crook and a murderer. Besides the SEC says they have more evidence, not sure that something won't happen. Waiting for ace in the hole before they show the rest of their hand.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: When's the bell for recess?
Soon. He have yet to cover the difference between "there" and "their".
Posted by legaleagle on :
And "they're"
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Where is Wallace#1?
Posted by legaleagle on :
All of this reminds me a Carlin bit: Flammable, Inflammabel, Non-Inflammabe. Why do we need three words? Either it "flams" or it doesn't.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Uh Oh, transposition, Inflammable. And a dropped letter: Non-inflammable. Here come the rocks and bottles.
Posted by legaleagle on :
It's almost like Don123 had returned.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Diagem Receives a License of Operation for Juina Diamond Project
Diagem Receives a License of Operation for Kimberlite Pipe Collier-04 and Provides an Update and Clarification on the Juina Diamond Project Monday September 26, 11:25 am ET
MONTREAL--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 26, 2005--In response to a request by regulatory authorities, DIAGEM INC. ("Diagem" or the "Company") (TSX VENTUREGM - News) issues the following information about its Juina diamond project in Brazil. ADVERTISEMENT
For more complete technical information, the reader is referred to the "TECHNICAL REPORT ON THE JUINA DIAMOND PROJECT, MATO GROSSO STATE, BRAZIL" dated March 28, 2005 and amended August 15, 2005, by Dr. Mousseau Tremblay, and "MINERAL RESOURCE ESTIMATE - CHICORIA DIAMOND DEPOSIT, PROPERTY 213, JUINA, MATO GRASSO, BRAZIL" by Mr. Jeremy Bates, dated May 2005. Both reports are available on SEDAR at www.sedar.com.
Collier-04 - Mining Concession 214
The Company is pleased to announce that on August 11, 2005 it received a License of Operation (LO) from the the Mato Grosso State environmental agency SEMA(i) (Secretariat Estadual do Meio Ambiente) covering the area on which the kimberlite pipe Collier-04 is located. Under Brazilian Law, in order to obtain a mining concession and
licence of operation, the mineral rights holder must demonstrate the presence of mineralization of sufficient grade and quantity to suggest economic potential. The large scale bulk sampling or experimental mining operations contribute to the evaluation of the resource; however, the resource so defined under Brazilian law does not necessarily meet NI 43-101 standards. Under Canadian securities law, pre-feasibility and economic feasibility studies conforming to NI 43-101 standards must be completed and filed with the regulatory authorities before a company can claim to be in commercial production. There have been no such studies conducted on the property and accordingly, there are no mineral reserves outlined by Diagem on its properties.
The recently awarded LO allows Diagem to perform activities such as large scale bulk sampling; consequently, and also to commence "mining activities". It must be noted that these mining activities are conditional on the accomplishment of pre-feasibility or feasibility studies as defined in NI 43-101. Hence the Company wishes to point out that there has been no such studies conducted on the properties as of yet. The Company is currently preparing the onsite infrastructure and improving access to Collier-04. Equipment is being mobilized in order to carry out a systematic bulk sampling program of the eluvial and colluvial material overlying and surrounding the kimberlite body during the next months. This phase will be followed by large scale bulk sampling of the kimberlite material.
The Company wishes also to clarify a statement in its May 9th 2005 press release which read "The mining concession permits mining of kimberlite and gravel deposits that have been proven to be payable over the entire 10,000 hectare property". There have been no studies extensive enough in order to prove economic viability as defined by NI 43-101. The "scoping study" that was submitted in January 2001 to the National Department of Mineral Production ("DNPM") in support of the application for a mining concession on Property 214 was prepared by Diagem's mining engineer and former local administrator in Brazil and as such was not prepared according to NI 43-101 guidelines.
Rio Tinto ("RTZ") previously calculated a preliminary resource estimate of the Collier-04 kimberlite pipe of 34.5 million tonnes at 0.40 carat per tonne based on an estimated maximum depth of 500 metres. Several subsequent resource calculations were completed by RTZ using different depth parameters and additional drill hole information obtained during 1995 and 1996 activities. One such calculation using a maximum depth of 95 metres yielded a resource estimate of 13,926,000 tonnes at a grade of 0.40 carat per tonne.
In its final exploration report, RTZ did not qualify the confidence category of the calculated resource (i.e. inferred, indicated, and measured). Although the RTZ bulk sampling and drilling results provide sufficient data of quality to define a resource these resources are historical and Diagem has not done sufficient work to classify the historical estimate as mineral resources. The Company is not treating the historical estimate as current mineral resources as defined in sections 1.2 and 1.3 of NI 43-101 and hence the historical estimate should not be relied upon.
The 214 mining concession was granted over a 10,000 hectare area which includes kimberlites and alluvial placer deposits. The mining concession was approved based on exploration and evaluation work performed on one kimberlite, Collier-04. In accordance with Brazilian mining legislation, the LO was granted over an area of 200 hectares encompassing Collier-04 only. The Company intends to evaluate all other deposits that exist within the mining concession particularly the known deposits of the Upper Chicoria Creek area.
A program of pitting for diamondiferous gravels was completed in the Upper Chicoria Creek area. This work was located within the central part of Mining Concession 214, using an excavator. Detailed auger drilling was also performed over the Acuri-01, the JV-39 and the ADK-13 pipes. More work is required to evaluate the economic potential of this area. However, based on past garimpeiro workings the area is considered to be promising.
In mid to late 2003, under an experimental mining authorization (Guia de Utilizacao) and an environmental license of operation, Diagem initiated large-scale bulk sampling activities on the north western part of the Fazenda Chicoria Block 1. The intent of the work program was to evaluate the economic viability of the area. The Fazenda Chicoria Block 1 is a 23 hectare block located within the 10,000 hectare Property 213. Although early calculations of the resource were made, in May 2003 and reported in May 2005, Jeremy Bates, an independent qualified person, confirmed a resource estimate of 207,600 cubic metres of mineralized gravel grading 0.22 carats per cubic metre for a total of approximately 45,000 carats in the indicated category. It is to be noted that Jeremy Bates considered that although there are mineral resources, there are no mineral reserves outlined for the Chicoria diamond deposit. Also, the Company wishes to emphasize that mineral resources that are not mineral reserves have not yet demonstrated economic viability as defined by NI 43-101.
The 2003 large-scale bulk sampling program on Block No. 1 recovered 3,755 carats from approximately 12,000 cubic metres for an average grade of 0.31 carats per cubic metre. Natural Diamond Corporation, an Antwerp-based company owned by a director of Diagem, evaluated in July 2004 the diamonds recovered from the experimental mining bulk sample activities. Based on actual sales, the average price per carat obtained was US$44.07, with prices ranging from US$28.78 to US$53.70. In view of the fact that the diamonds were sold on behalf of Diagem on a commission basis, management is of the opinion that the price received represents fair market value.
In November 2003, the Brazilian Institute for the Environment and Renewable Natural Resources ("IBAMA") contested the validity of the Company's experimental mining licence and placed an embargo on a 75 hectare section of Property 213. The embargo entirely covered the Fazenda Chicoria Block 1. As a result, the Company suspended its large scale bulk sampling program.
In 2004, the Federal Attorney, acting for the DNPM on behalf of the General Advocacy of the Union, issued an opinion stating the IBAMA embargo ran counter to existing legislation. This opinion was forwarded to IBAMA by the DNPM with a recommendation to lift the embargo.
Although the notification of the lifting of the IBAMA embargo was received in May 2005, the effective lifting of all operational constraints on the 75 hectare portion of Property 213 is still underway. The Company is actively pursuing all legal and administrative processes in order to complete the lifting of the embargo. Although the Company is not the owner of the surface rights it has already secured a land access agreement with the Fazenda Chicoria owner as well as with other landowners. The Company intends to be active in the area over the long term and consequently strives to develop mutually beneficial and friendly working relationships with the landowners throughout the region.
Sales of Diamonds Recovered from Experimental Mining
Although the Company can sell any diamonds recovered during its experimental mining program, this cannot be considered as commercial production since the Guia is granted only in order to allow the Company to demonstrate the economic viability of the property. The Company can then apply for a mining concession and license of operation. Under Canadian law, in order to announce the commencement of commercial production, the Company must first submit a relevant NI 43-101 compliant report.
Property 1000
Diagem provided a clarification of the Property 1000 status in a press release dated February 17, 2005. The property remains under an IBAMA embargo; hence no work can be carried out on the property. A summary description of the property is as follows:
A historical resource estimate of 1,000,000 cubic metres of gravel grading 1 ct/cubic metre was prepared by Juina Mining Corp. (JMC) in 1999 and was entirely developed by mechanized auger drilling and bulk sampling using an excavator during 1998 and 1999. The results of the gravel delineation done on a 50 x 100 metre rectangular grid provided the data necessary to calculate the volumes of potentially economic gravels. A total of 2,163 cubic metres of gravels from 16 bulk samples were processed; the results provided the data for establishing the average grade of the resource so developed. The samples were processed in a gravity treatment plant which
included an X-ray Sortex machine. The historical resource so defined was considered to be sufficiently reliable to justify the acquisition by Emerging Africa Gold Inc. (EAG), a predecessor company of Diagem, of a 51% interest in the property in December 2000. The reader should note that a qualified person has not done sufficient work to classify the historical estimate as current mineral resources and that the Company is therefore not treating the historical estimate as current mineral resources as defined in sections 1.2 and 1.3 of NI 43-101. In 2002, Diagem conducted six bulk samples within the same area. The average grade was approximately one half of the historical results. This difference may be explained by the fact that the historical grade results reported in 1998-1999 were obtained by treating the bulk samples in a larger-scale, well designed processing plant whereas the subsequent results were obtained using basic, less effective methods as their smaller sample sizes precluded using the larger plant. It is possible that the grade variation could also result from the fact that the samples were collected from lower grade material from the same area.
Based on field examination by Diagem personnel, the zone of the alluvial gravels is thought to extend beyond the calculated resource area. The diamondiferous gravels form part of elevated alluvial terraces which continuously border both banks of the river occupying the central part of the property. Although these terraces are continuous over the whole six kilometre length of the river, this continuity does not imply that potentially economic gravel resources are continuous over the entire length of the terraces as this can only be determined by systematic gravel delineation and bulk sampling work which has not yet been done outside the reported resource. Accordingly, no opinion is expressed as to the future economic value of the resource.
Diagem has not done the work necessary to verify the classification of the resource and is therefore not treating the reported resource as an indicated resource within the meaning of NI 43-101 and the historical estimate should not be relied upon.
Property 1000 is still subject to an embargo by the federal environmental agency, IBAMA, and further work or evaluation programs are dependant on the resolution of the IBAMA embargo. In order to advance the evaluation work, the Company intends to apply for a mining concession, pending DNPM's approval of the final exploration report that has already been submitted in December 2004.
Property 118
This exploration permit is located in the centre of the Company's property holdings. Gravel delineation drilling has identified prospective gravel deposits with high heavy mineral contents. A suitable site for bulk sampling has been identified. Diagem has obtained a three year extension of the exploration license to complete the bulk testing of these deposits.
Property 370/96
The 370/96 property is contiguous to Property 118 and centrally located with respect to Diagem's claims in the area and is host to the SL-01 kimberlite pipe. Other than a small bulk sample which yielded one diamond, little work has been done on this pipe. In a separate location within Property 370/96, the Company is set to continue its bulk sampling program on the Zilza farm. Here, a well characterized gravel zone of 750,000 cubic metres has been identified and evaluated with three exploratory bulk samples grading 0.06, 0.27 and 0.55 carats per cubic metre with a very good average stone size of 0.78 carats. The Company plans to continue its delineation and bulk sampling program in this area.
Property 119
Property 119, located south of the 214 mining concession, is host to the ARP-03 cluster of three kimberlite pipes. Little is known about these pipes despite the work done in the area by De Beers in the late 1970's and the early 1980's. The relationship between the ARP-03 kimberlite cluster and the alluvial diamond deposits mined by garimpeiros, approximately six kilometres to the south, is not apparent. Unlike other parts of the region, there is a lack of any significant modern day drainages for gravel washing, which may have precluded the area from exploitation by garimpeiros in the past. A preliminary delineation and evaluation of recent alluvial deposits and of the basal conglomerate will be carried out in order to provide a very preliminary evaluation of the diamond content in the pipes.
Small Scale Mining Operations on Property 1000 and Property 108
The Company announced in two press releases dated October 15, 2004 and January 27, 2005 that it had entered into two joint venture agreements to start small-scale mining operations respectively on Property 108 and Property 1000 which involved two local operators operating on small scale mining permits or PLG's (Permissao de Lavra Garimpeira). Diagem's initial plan was to conduct operations subject to joint venture agreements wherein each of the parties would contribute its equal share of the equipment and other operating costs. Since signing the agreements in September 2004, Diagem has not participated in these two joint ventures and is currently examining other arrangements with small scale miners that may be more beneficial to the Company. Contemplated arrangements could involve processing garimpeiro concentrates to raise the Company's capability to purchase an increased diamond inventory.
Diagem's property holdings in the Juina Diamond Province total approximately 120,000 hectares. To date, the properties are host to 21 of the 33 known kimberlite occurrences in the region. Most of the occurrences are diamondiferous. Extensive diamondiferous gravel deposits are present throughout the Province and Diagem's properties cover most of the zones where historical diamond mining activity has occurred. Diagem wishes to caution the reader again that mineral resources that are not mineral reserves have not yet demonstrated economic viability as defined by NI 43-101.
The technical content of this news release has been approved by Dr. Mousseau Tremblay, of Williamstown, Ontario, a Qualified Person, Chairman of the Board and Director of Diagem Inc.
Mousseau Tremblay
Chairman of the Board
On behalf of DIAGEM INC.
(i) SEMA replaces FEMA which was dissolved by the state government in June 2005.
THE TSX VENTURE EXCHANGE DOES NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE AD EQUACY OR ACCURACY OF THIS PRESS RELEASE.
Diagem Inc. (TSX VENTUREGM - News)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contact: DIAGEM INC. Mousseau Tremblay Chairman of the Board (514) 866-6001 / (613) 347-2561 Fax: (514) 866-6193 OR DIAGEM INC. Paul Einarson Chief Financial Officer (514) 866-6001 Ext. 251 Fax: (514) 866-6193 www.diagem.com Posted by bill1352 on :
well that pr might explain away most of that lawsuit. at least something is headed in the right direction for cmkx partners, its meaningless to cmkx. might help GEMM but then thats meaningless to cmkx shareholders unless the restriction is lifted & at no cost to cmkx shareholders. of course the cult thinks every company that mines diamonds other then debeers is part of or soon will be part of cmkx.
Posted by Ric on :
Here is legal a couple years from now. Just replace PCBM/SRCI with CMKX/CIM
By: silverbulletny1 26 Sep 2005, 01:49 PM EDT Msg. 1131148 of 1131235 Jump to msg. # PCBM/SRCI will reward me soon for my 5 years 7 months 3 weeks of PATIENCE!! YEHAAAAAA GO SRCI/CMKX dang and they said it was dead only they NEVER found the body! - - - - -
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, apparently you aren't aware of the connections between PCBM/SRCI and CMKX that have existed for some time.
Posted by Ric on :
Yea, I remember reading about that. Birds of a feather, flock together. But the connection they have most in common is they are both scams that sold massive about of shares and dumped them on investors. Really the only thing different is that PCBM is already revoked and CMKX won't be for another month or two.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, honest question, give a honest answer. (i'll be nice, the if IS nice...lol) if cmkx is revoked how do you figure you will get paid? CIM has tens of billions of shares & it has yet to trade. its in the tank before it can even try to IPO. i have 57K shares i'd wear Will's sundress to sell at .01. no pics tho, $1 per share for pics...lol. they didn't give out much GEMM or USCA thus it can't cover the billions of cult owned shares. any new company UC might start up would have to have millions not billions of shares thus the r/s it would equal would kill the shares ppl own. this is the biggest lose/lose situation i can ever recall being around short of someone's death.
Posted by TANGO42 on :
SANTA: Don't know if you a a long -Timer with new name or just a new poster here; but I have been in this stock a long time, been bounced fron this board under another name and have watched things progress. Legaleagle also followed same pattern, Yet he has come here on a regular basis and post information(most without opinion). I have reason to believe his postings really represent only a fraction on the research that has been done & is only posted for the rare newbie who happens in to a room of negative influence. In the very early days here this company had many threads of information, but of recent months only a few who have decided how badly they have been taken.OF COURSE I do not share that view.If you are truly a fairly new person, try to take a somewhat positive view. There are few here (if any) who can say they have held longer or know the early facts. My suggestion is to read & understand all of legals posts & match them up to all the PR's since 2000. Apply a nuetral position and se if the balance does not shift to "WELL" do we have the goods ? Lefty
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by TANGO42: SANTA: Don't know if you a a long -Timer with new name or just a new poster here; but I have been in this stock a long time, been bounced fron this board under another name and have watched things progress. Legaleagle also followed same pattern, Yet he has come here on a regular basis and post information(most without opinion). I have reason to believe his postings really represent only a fraction on the research that has been done & is only posted for the rare newbie who happens in to a room of negative influence. In the very early days here this company had many threads of information, but of recent months only a few who have decided how badly they have been taken.OF COURSE I do not share that view.If you are truly a fairly new person, try to take a somewhat positive view. There are few here (if any) who can say they have held longer or know the early facts. My suggestion is to read & understand all of legals posts & match them up to all the PR's since 2000. Apply a nuetral position and se if the balance does not shift to "WELL" do we have the goods ? Lefty
Lefty/Tango/VNGNTN/Van
Remember these days? What caused you to do a complete 180?
Tango/VNGNTN/Van: "Legaleagle also followed same pattern, Yet he has come here on a regular basis and post information(most without opinion)."
Van,
Now we hear from another CT cult member! Go walk on water, Van, and ask yourself if it is truly possible. Better yet, take 7 loaves and 7 fish and feed the multitudes that have been disrupted by either Katrina or Rita. You can cheat on the 7 and 7 if it makes it any easier for you.
Everything legal has posted one way or another has demonstrated he is not "without opinion". On the contrary, he is very opinionated and has consistently expressed his deluded opinions and theories about CMKX when all the evidence is completely negative.
Posted by bill1352 on :
TANGO...show us 1 bit of proof to any of legals theories.
Posted by Ric on :
"Debeers Group had sales of $5.5 billion resulting in operating income of $676 million. The Oppenheimer family is worth an estimated $4.5 billion and its head, Nicky is reported to be Africa’s richest man."
The biggest diamond company has a yearly operating income of $676 million dollars world wide, so where are these cult member supposedly getting rich from? So if Debeers had 703 billion shares they would only have a share price of .0009 per share if full value was recognized. The problem is with a tremendous o/s is that the o/s is never recognized.
So the cult thinks that cmkx is worth 54 cents, roflmao. Even a penny is ridiculous even if this wasn't going to be revoked. That's the best thing about this scam. People don't understand what billion means. That was UC game, he knew that the word diamonds would be like the California gold rush. He could sell you the goods but as most found out, the gold wasn't flowing out of every stream. Seems that the only millionaires made by UC was himself his family and friends.
[ September 26, 2005, 19:54: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by TANGO42 on :
I am not speaking of theorys( that is YOUR) interpretation of those posts. You may be confusing me with VAN and suggesting a 180 turn. All I know is I have many shares at no cost with many JV Partners at no cost,& the gem of the deal The spinoff on 9/30/03 in cert form. I see Legal bringing Information that is discounted out of hand with no proof otherwise . What am I to think. I see attacks on "the CULT" who are they and why would you do that. Possibly it is because you were not here at the start and followed the company thru all the share structure where it was locked up at around 20b in 2003. Sure there was activity afterward,but was it real ??. I have tracked certs for awhile -Do you how many and on what dates-very intresting: seen a post or two from Legal on this which once again was discounted. I say in the absence of exact proof now, a positive attitude is one that can be held on, while you trade all your other diversified portfolios
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by TANGO42:
quote:You may be confusing me with VAN and suggesting a 180 turn.
So you're saying you're not one and the same?
Posted by TANGO42 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: "Debeers Group had sales of $5.5 billion resulting in operating income of $676 million. The Oppenheimer family is worth an estimated $4.5 billion and its head, Nicky is reported to be Africa’s richest man."
The biggest diamond company has a yearly operating income of $676 million dollars world wide, so where are these cult member supposedly getting rich from? So if Debeers had 703 billion shares they would only have a share price of .0009 per share if full value was recognized. The problem is with a tremendous o/s is that the o/s is never recognized.
So the cult thinks that cmkx is worth 54 cents, roflmao. Even a penny is ridiculous even if this wasn't going to be revoked. The the best thing about this scam. People don't understand what billion means. That was UC game, he knew that the word diamonds would be like the California gold rush. He could sell you the goods but as most found out, the gold wasn't flowing out of every stream. Seems that the only millionaires made by UC was himself his family and friends.
I AM CONFUSED ? Possibly you could list all the "CULTS" and what items they are claiming in terms of price ,structure,timing , etc
Posted by Ric on :
Absent of proof??? There is proof all over the place that this is a scam. Master shareholders list has volumes of proof.
I would see your point if any of those free shares were worth anything but they're not. And do you really believe that one JV will unrestrict any of those shares once cmkx is revoked? Not that they would anyhow. Why would they. They are holding worthless revoked cmkx shares so it would be a lose to their shareholders to release the restriction. And CIM was a huge pump that never IPO'd as promised and is worthless toilet paper now. Just like a revoked cmkx will be. Just ask PCBM shareholder how long they have been waiting for their payday.
Posted by Ric on :
Whats confusing about it. The largest diamond company's value and CMKX's 703 billion shares comparision. It is real easy to understand.
Posted by bill1352 on :
tango...did you just wake up from a coma????(jokingly said) UC pr'ed the world the o/s is 703 billion in march, maybe febuary. the cult is anyone that thinks UC is honest. exact proof? look at court transcript, pedro's freedom of info documents i.e. master shareholder list. look at frizzys contract for the claims, hard to believe a company $36 million in the hole can keep up with the payments on that contract. $36 million in the hole is from court testamony. see bashers are using CMKX few documents & testamony from ppl cmkx has hired where as the cult uses ideas dreamed up from too much kool-aide.
Posted by kywee on :
haha kool-aide
Posted by will on :
Haven't heard from Mr. FrizZELL, lately. Wonder what he's up to these days. Still exchanging love letters with Andy?
Posted by Ric on :
Signs of a cult
Leaders may be...
* The friendliest person you have ever met. * People think you are wonderful and know you have connections, influence, or financial resources. * They have all the answers. * Hiding a greater "truth" from you until a more "appropriate" time. (Estabrooks, 1999)
The Organization
* A Totalitarian worldview * Exploitation: There is pressure to give money, to spend a great deal of money on special projects. Exploitation can be financial, physical, or psychological. * Alienation * Exclusivity: Secretiveness or vagueness by followers regarding activities and beliefs; recruiting and fund-raising with hidden objectives and without full disclosure; use of "front groups".
The Followers
* Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
* Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
* Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
* Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
* Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
* Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
* Followers believe that outside forces are out to get the gtoup/leader.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Haven't heard from Mr. FrizZELL, lately. Wonder what he's up to these days. Still exchanging love letters with Andy?
He just sent a e-mail today.
FRIZZELL LAW FIRM 305 S. Broadway, Suite 302 Tyler, Texas 75702 (903)595-1921 E-Mail jmartin@cmkxownersgroup.com
Dear Group Members,
Thank you all for your concern over Rita. When Rita made landfall, it took a course about 60 miles to our East. We had an interesting Saturday with some strong winds and a bunch of rain that continued all day long, but relatively speaking we escaped any serious consequences. I wish our friends and relatives on the coast had fared as well. Keep them in your prayers.
There seems to be a lot of speculation about the company's response to our shareholders derivative rights letter. We have received no official response from the company and I will relay any response to you as soon as we receive it.
We are continuing our investigations some of which were outlined in the shareholders derivative letter. I look forward to having more information for you in our next update. I regret having to report that there is nothing to report. It is probably better to hear there is nothing to report than an extended period of silence.
Onward,
Bill
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"All I know is I have many shares at no cost with many JV Partners at no cost,& the gem of the deal The spinoff on 9/30/03 in cert form."
And in the end, all losers.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Frizzell: "We have received no official response from the company..." ---------------
Welcome to the shareholders' club!
Posted by stockster5 on :
RIC... I have a question on this statement : "The biggest diamond company has a yearly operating income of $676 million dollars world wide, so where are these cult member supposedly getting rich from? So if Debeers had 703 billion shares they would only have a share price of .0009 per share if full value was recognized. The problem is with a tremendous o/s is that the o/s is never recognized" What did you use to come to that .0009 pps. I just want to see the numbers of the math equation so I can understand this better. Thanks S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Major synocraty,,, an ad popped up after I wrote this post ... "precious metals and jewelry sale"
lol lol s5
Posted by Ric on :
676 million / 703 billion = .0009165-----
Your just doing opposite of figuring market cap which is pps x o/s. So if you take pps of .0009165 times 703 billion it equals approx. 676 million dollar market cap. But since I was trying to find a pps for Debeers if they had 703 billion shares then divide the companies net worth by the o/s would equal its pps. But it wouldn't be that. Very few companies could have a 703 billion o/s and be over .0001 becaause the stigma of 703 billion shares.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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After doing some DD with Fastwalker we discovered that numerous of the Petro Plus claims were transfered to CMKX through Randy Studer which held the rights to Petro Plus after Urban Casavant resigned as president of Petro Plus on October 25, 1996. Petro Plus later became Odaat Inc. (Odaat Inc. transfered the CIM Zinc claims to CMKX as well as the diamond claim which is adjacent to the Kensington claim in the FALC area). Odaat later became Explor Resources Inc.
Here's where it really gets good...
Oretech Inc. Enters into Agreement to Merge with Juina Mining Corp. as Subsidiary; New Stock Trading Symbol 'ORTE'
Business Editors/Environment Writers
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 23, 2003
Oretech Inc. (OTCBB:TVYG and, effective April 24, OTCBB:ORTE) announced today they have signed an LOI (Letter of Intent) with Juina Mining Corp. (OTCPK:GEMM) to begin an acquisition process by Oretech Inc. As part of the proposed transaction, the acquisition will be effected through a fully reporting 12G Nevada corporation of Oretech's, which will allow Juina Mining to become a wholly owned subsidiary.
Steve Cummins, CEO of Oretech Inc., commented, "The objective of this acquisition is to ultimately position the public company so that it can meet the listing requirements of a higher exchange. We feel the primary benefit of this relationship, when closed and becomes effective, would be the ability to capitalize on the diligent effort that Juina has initiated in Brazil and maximizing the development opportunities there. If this transaction is consummated, we will have a strong team of mining and business professionals on board, a proven reserve base, and we will focus our efforts and all of our available resources on creating a solid revenue base, a consistently profitable bottom line and maintaining shareholder value."
James McFadden, CEO of Juina Mining Corp., commented, "We are pleased to have this opportunity, as we move into the next phase of our growth, and to soon be able to avail ourselves of Oretech's distinguished board and management team. Their team of mining and business professionals are what we've been actively looking for since day one, and we are extremely excited that Oretech will be providing us their expertise and strong market ties within the mining industry."
The formal closing for the acquisition is set for April 25, 2003. Further details will be forthcoming when available.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
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Oretech receives positive test results extracting oil from Tar Sands by: OilOnline Friday, August 05, 2005
Oretech, Inc has recently completed test processing on tar sands from the Athabasca region of Alberta, Canada. Preliminary results indicate the extraction of oil is apparently a higher percentage than that which is extracted by conventional methods, while remaining extremely environmentally friendly. The API gravity of the bitumen (oil) is significantly upgraded during the extraction process.
Alberta's tar sands comprise one of the world's two largest sources of bitumen; the other is in Venezuela. These oil reserves are second only to Saudi Arabia, and are found only in three places in Alberta -- the Athabasca, Peace River and Cold Lake regions -- covering a total of nearly 140,800 square kilometers. These tar sands currently represent 54 per cent of Alberta's total oil production, and about one-third of all the oil produced in Canada. Output of marketable tar sands production increased to 858,000 barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2003, up from 741,000 bbl/d the year before. It is anticipated that in 2005, Alberta's tar sands production may account for one-half of Canada's total crude output and 10 per cent of North American production.
Posted by Ric on :
Legal, you should have posted the replies to this one. Even the cult members tore that apart.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Thank you Ric. kind regards S5
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by TANGO42: SANTA: Don't know if you a a long -Timer with new name or just a new poster here; but I have been in this stock a long time, been bounced fron this board under another name and have watched things progress. Legaleagle also followed same pattern, Yet he has come here on a regular basis and post information(most without opinion). I have reason to believe his postings really represent only a fraction on the research that has been done & is only posted for the rare newbie who happens in to a room of negative influence. In the very early days here this company had many threads of information, but of recent months only a few who have decided how badly they have been taken.OF COURSE I do not share that view.If you are truly a fairly new person, try to take a somewhat positive view. There are few here (if any) who can say they have held longer or know the early facts. My suggestion is to read & understand all of legals posts & match them up to all the PR's since 2000. Apply a nuetral position and se if the balance does not shift to "WELL" do we have the goods ? Lefty
Tango-
I'm a long time watcher of this board and a short time member/poster. I was told by a friend about this "opportunity of a lifetime" about 1.5 years ago. I did some very basic DD... ie, searching for company website, trying to call the company, looking at the website (after even google struggled to find it), and looking at the financial statements (or lack of), etc. From this I learned: 1. CMKX is an obscure company (hard to find website, etc). 2. CMKX has a massive number of OS (703 BILLION). 3. CMKX is pumped by sites like The Green Barron (notorious for pump and dump... ie paid marketers). 4. CMKX blames others for their problems (NSS by 'international terrorists', etc).
This basic DD told me I didn't want to touch this thing with a 10 foot pole.
Then I started to see that UC was advertising the stock symbol instead of the company (Got CMKX?). I've NEVER seen any company do that.... something smelled fishy.
I also saw that CMKX partnered with only obscure pink sheet companies (SGGM, etc). None of these companies released audited information... but all of them had great press releases... or at least they claimed great things in their press releases.
At about the same time as this was happening I saw a program on the Discovery Channel (I think) about the two guys who founded Shore Gold. It showed them trekking through mud bogs and fields drilling holes with the hopes that they would find something. They did... they got lucky.
Then I looked at what UC was doing.... promoting CMKX (Got CMKX?) and hanging out with a worthless drag racing team. I asked myself why wasn't UC up in Canada knee deep in mud? Why did the CMKX website have pictures of the CMKX people looking like a bunch of tourists in Equador (I think that is where they were). All of this smelled... and thus I never jumped in.
Then, Maheu is brought in as the savior. Poor old man doesn't know up from down (look at the court transcripts). This was obviously a PR move. How could an 87 year old man be deemed credible? Sorry, but I will be age biased here.... how many companies have COBs who are 87 years old? I know I wasn't being fair, but this isn't about being fair, it's about making money.
Then the straw that broke the camel's back... and shut up my friends who were pumping.... the trial. Read the transcripts...
Life isn't easy, life isn't fair.... and there is no master conspiracy or sting operation behind this scam. Okay, maybe there is a master conspiracy... but the person behind it owns a Hummer and a big house in Vegas.
Good scams sound good... sound real.... they trap innocent people (many of whom are very bright), but in the end you lose everything.
If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is....
Posted by TANGO42 on :
OK: SANTA. Based on your DD-I'd say you made the correct decision. I came by my DD much differently and played it to a free position with nothing to lose. Timing is everything. BTW-1.5 years is very short. There were in the early days here on this board a number of real savvy people, Some who were in the filed and walked with those you mentioned. THEY are all gone now when the current crew showed up about 2 years ago.
Posted by dwman on :
CITIGROUP!
Posted by TANGO42 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Signs of a cult
Leaders may be...
* The friendliest person you have ever met. * People think you are wonderful and know you have connections, influence, or financial resources. * They have all the answers. * Hiding a greater "truth" from you until a more "appropriate" time. (Estabrooks, 1999)
The Organization
* A Totalitarian worldview * Exploitation: There is pressure to give money, to spend a great deal of money on special projects. Exploitation can be financial, physical, or psychological. * Alienation * Exclusivity: Secretiveness or vagueness by followers regarding activities and beliefs; recruiting and fund-raising with hidden objectives and without full disclosure; use of "front groups".
The Followers
* Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
* Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
* Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
* Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
* Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
* Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
* Followers believe that outside forces are out to get the gtoup/leader.
I asked-YOU responded; In fact your responce proves the point I was making. AS in Life CMKX and penny stocks in general polarize opinion based on a person's view of life. We all read same information and choose what to do with it. The "CULT" as referred to on this board is simply " ALL" other" views-You know this because all points (.54pps-Settlements-R/M,-etc) are lumped together as tho all are basing thier opinion on kool-Aid. This board could be similarly described as a "CULT" of non-kool-aid drinkers that view stocks ,life,CMKX in a negative manner. I note that this board & bashers in general are in a distinct minority.So once again it comesto an individuals understand & action on available information. AS IT SHOULD BE
Posted by Upside on :
quote:AS in Life CMKX and penny stocks in general polarize opinion based on a person's view of life.
I can't speak for anyone else here but that's just plain ridiculous. My views of CMKX certainly don't "polarize" or reflect my views of life in any way, shape or form.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Tango-
I think you misunderstand what most of us think or believe. I'd say most of us are the type of people who have a VERY positive outlook on life, BUT, good business people generally look at all of the things that could go wrong when evaluating an investment. Besides, in the case of CMKX there is so much WRONG!
I guess we could be positive and hope that we uncover a pirates buried treasure.... or Al Cappone's vault.... or even the holy grail... but WAKE UP because it isn't going to happen.
Sorry to burst the happy-go-lucky bubble but your investment is worth NOTHING.
You and your cohorts take advantage of many people's good nature and their faith. You're either stupid (probably no fault of your own) or knowingly deceptive.... in which case I know where you're going.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:AS in Life CMKX and penny stocks in general polarize opinion based on a person's view of life.
I can't speak for anyone else here but that's just plain ridiculous. My views of CMKX certainly don't "polarize" or reflect my views of life in any way, shape or form.
And Upside that is why I don't consider you a basher. You are simply a "realist", not a negative person. And CMKX doesn't fit the "norm" for realism. But "realism" also isn't one of the "poles".
Probably only one in a thousand Gold Rush 49ers actually came home wealthy. The realists said it wasn't worth the risk. The realists stayed home and ran their farms or businesses where income was sure. But that one guy, that one optimist, that one dreamer,he took the chance. And wealth and prosperity became his "reality".
CMKX is that one chance in our lifetime.
Call me a dreamer, call me a pumper, call me a kool aid drinker. I did my DD and continue to. I staked my "claim" on CMKX for good reasons and information. "Boom or Bust", I am in it for the long haul. I may be with the "99" or I may be with the "one" that makes it. Only time will tell.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal-
I like your analogy, but it is a bit flawed. The Gold Rush 49ers KNEW there was gold in the Sierra Nevada mountains. They SAW people becoming rich.
You have about the same chance of a lifetime in CMKX as I (or anyone else) still does in Enron stock.
Posted by legaleagle on :
We know there can be gold in "pinks", it's just a matter of staking the right claim.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: We know there can be gold in "pinks", it's just a matter of staking the right claim.
Agreed. But 99.9% of the pinks are NOT long plays. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Get in, get out. CMKX has gone down over 85% (.0004 to .0000?) in the 18 months I've followed it.
HISC looks like it could be a real company.... CMKX has always looked like a scam.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Appearances can be deceiving. CMKX will either be a heritage stock or a bust. But definitely not a "day trade".
Posted by legaleagle on :
United Carina and CMKX uranium report
United Carina defines three U targets in Saskatchewan
2005-09-27 13:18 ET - News Release
Mr. Rick Walker reports
SANDSTONE BOULDER SAMPLING SUCCESSFULLY DEFINES THREE URANIUM TARGETS IN THE HATCHET / WOLLASTON LAKE AREA OF NORTHERN SASKATCHEWAN
United Carina Resources Corp. has received favourable results from the 2005 boulder sampling program on its uranium property situated along the eastern edge of the Athabasca basin, in the Wollaston Lake area of Northern Saskatchewan. The property is located approximately 30 kilometres north of major uranium production centres near the Rabbit Lake and McClean Lake mills and their associated high-grade unconformity uranium deposits.
The recent exploration program consisted of sampling Athabasca sandstone boulders for geochemical analysis. Sandstone boulder geochemistry is used to map regional variations in clay minerals and trace element levels to detect hydrothermal alteration associated with unconformity-type uranium mineralization. Important alteration signatures in this part of the Athabasca basin are elevated proportions of illite and chlorite clays and above background geochemistry for boron, lead, arsenic, molybdenum and uranium.
Previous work identified five areas requiring detailed exploration. This summer's exploration program highlighted three areas (areas A, G and a new area -- Le Drew) having anomalous sandstone boulder geochemistry defining target areas for follow-up exploration.
Area A
Encouraging results were obtained south of Hatchet Lake in an area west of Turkey Lake. Sandstone boulders were found exhibiting alteration features and geochemistry common to all the unconformity-related deposits in the eastern Athabasca basin.
Sandstone boulders found at one sample site have outstanding visual alteration features, including gray pyritic sandstone, silicified sandstone and a boulder with secondary hydrothermal hematite. Boulders in the area have anomalous geochemistry, with boron values up to 26 parts per million (median six parts per million), uranium values up to 0.67 part per million (median 0.21 part per million), lead values up to 0.96 part per million (median 0.53 part per million) and arsenic values up to 0.5 part per million (median 0.2 part per million). The sandstone is moderately illitic.
Immediately up-ice from the site and within the overall geochemical anomaly are two untested geophysical conductors. These conductors occur 10 kilometres along strike of Areva's Moonlight zone, which has intersections up to 1.76 per cent U per 1.5 metres.
Sandstone thickness in the area of the conductors is estimated to be 50 metres.
Area G
Boulder sampling identified target area G along the eastern edge of the Athabasca sandstone, south of Tromberg Bay. Geochemical values are up to 0.31 part per million uranium (median 0.21 part per million), up to 31 parts per million boron (median six parts per million) and the sandstone is strongly illitic. These values are associated with an untested geophysical conductor.
Le Drew
Boulder sampling highlighted the Le Drew Lake area, near the edge of the Athabasca sandstone. Previous work identified outstanding radon-in-water (uranium pathfinder) anomalies. These were interpreted to coincide with the junction of two major fault systems. The boulder sampling confirms the presence of anomalous uranium values up to 0.89 part per million (median 0.21 part per million) and anomalous lead up to 1.17 parts per million (median 0.53 part per million). A weak, untested geophysical conductor is closely associated with the anomalous boulders.
The boulder sampling program found several other areas weakly anomalous in trace elements and these require more work. One of these is the South Bear property, with uranium values up to 0.56 part per million (median 0.21 part per million), lead up to 2.83 parts per million (median 0.53 part per million) and one sample with 0.4 molybdenum (median 0.05 part per million).
United Carina plans to establish ground grids and complete geophysical surveys over the three target areas as soon as logistically possible. Following data interpretation, the resulting targets will be drill tested.
The Hatchet Lake property is currently 100 per cent owned by United Carina and consists of four claim blocks, totalling 41,864 acres. Entourage Mining Ltd. is earning a 20-per-cent interest in the property and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is earning a 40-per-cent interest in the property. When the earn-ins have been completed, the property ownership will be: United Carina Resources, 40 per cent: CMKM Diamonds, 40 per cent; and Entourage Mining, 20 per cent.
The qualified person responsible for the technical information in this news release is Daniel Studer, PGeo. All samples were analyzed at the Saskatchewan Research Council (SRC) geoanalytical laboratories.
Posted by dwman on :
CITIGROUP!
Posted by bill1352 on :
great news legal....of course by the time any mining happens cmkm diamonds will be history, well as far as shareholders are concerned & thats the biggest scam of all this. if cmkx ever does find anything worth money not 1 shareholder will benifit. it has to trade to benifit & it wont be trading soon. lets say a yr from now UC finally gets everything together & re-applies to trade. do you honestly think the SEC will let him trade with a 703.5 billion o/s? not a chance. 10 million shares will become 5 shares. they wont even let CIM IPO with its current o/s. thats the 1 point you never factor in...nothing in this world with 703.5 billion shares has any value.
Posted by bill1352 on :
howdy DW...been a while...hope all is well.
Posted by tic_toc on :
you lot still at it? lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by dwman: CITIGROUP!
Do you believe it Dwman? Legal in here giving spelling and grammar lessons! LOL Where have you been friend?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by dwman: CITIGROUP!
Isn't that a six month old Acca rumor, Don?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Seem to remember you pushing that theory as well, legal.
Posted by Upside on :
I had an interesting experience today. At least once a week I'll get a call from some New York broker claiming to have a hot pick for me. It seems to always be a kid just starting out in the brokerage game, trying to make a buck. Typically I'll just say thanks, not interested or just hang up. Today a fast talking guy claiming to be from Morgan Stanley calls me and I decided to have some fun with him.
He claimed to have a bunch of hot picks but he needed to assess my "investment style" and he asked for three stocks that I currently have a position in. Without skipping a beat I fire off CMKX, USCA, and GEMM. The guy pauses for about 5 seconds or so then he chuckles and says "you're pulling my leg, right?" I say "hell no, especially CMKX, I'm heavy into that one." The guy takes a deep breath and says "ok sir, I can help you" (of course). He tells me to sell all of my CMKX at whatever price I can get because they're not going to be around much longer. I asked him what about USCA and GEMM and he says "I'm assuming they're restricted and you can't sell them" so he was familiar with the whole situation. I started to bring up all of the CMKX theories I could think of and in a polite way he told me I was an idiot. After going back and forth with him for about 10 minutes I told him I was bullchitting and didn't really own any and I wasn't really interested in his picks. He gave me one anyway and told me to watch it and he'd call me back in two weeks after his pick made a believer out of me. His pick was ARDI which he expects to hit 7.00 or so in the next two weeks but wouldn't give a reason why. I suspect I'll never hear from him again.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Bet you bought ARDI anyway, huh?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Bet you bought ARDI anyway, huh?
Nope, didn't buy it. I've seen too many of these "hot picks" go right down the tubes although on occasion, they do take off. I'll keep my eye on it.
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
CMKX STILL HAS A PULSE....HOWEVER VERY FAINT
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: United Carina and CMKX uranium report
United Carina defines three U targets in Saskatchewan
2005-09-27 13:18 ET - News Release
Mr. Rick Walker reports
SANDSTONE BOULDER SAMPLING SUCCESSFULLY DEFINES THREE URANIUM TARGETS IN THE HATCHET / WOLLASTON LAKE AREA OF NORTHERN SASKATCHEWAN
United Carina Resources Corp. has received favourable results from the 2005 boulder sampling program on its uranium property situated along the eastern edge of the Athabasca basin, in the Wollaston Lake area of Northern Saskatchewan. The property is located approximately 30 kilometres north of major uranium production centres near the Rabbit Lake and McClean Lake mills and their associated high-grade unconformity uranium deposits.
The recent exploration program consisted of sampling Athabasca sandstone boulders for geochemical analysis. Sandstone boulder geochemistry is used to map regional variations in clay minerals and trace element levels to detect hydrothermal alteration associated with unconformity-type uranium mineralization. Important alteration signatures in this part of the Athabasca basin are elevated proportions of illite and chlorite clays and above background geochemistry for boron, lead, arsenic, molybdenum and uranium.
Previous work identified five areas requiring detailed exploration. This summer's exploration program highlighted three areas (areas A, G and a new area -- Le Drew) having anomalous sandstone boulder geochemistry defining target areas for follow-up exploration.
Area A
Encouraging results were obtained south of Hatchet Lake in an area west of Turkey Lake. Sandstone boulders were found exhibiting alteration features and geochemistry common to all the unconformity-related deposits in the eastern Athabasca basin.
Sandstone boulders found at one sample site have outstanding visual alteration features, including gray pyritic sandstone, silicified sandstone and a boulder with secondary hydrothermal hematite. Boulders in the area have anomalous geochemistry, with boron values up to 26 parts per million (median six parts per million), uranium values up to 0.67 part per million (median 0.21 part per million), lead values up to 0.96 part per million (median 0.53 part per million) and arsenic values up to 0.5 part per million (median 0.2 part per million). The sandstone is moderately illitic.
Immediately up-ice from the site and within the overall geochemical anomaly are two untested geophysical conductors. These conductors occur 10 kilometres along strike of Areva's Moonlight zone, which has intersections up to 1.76 per cent U per 1.5 metres.
Sandstone thickness in the area of the conductors is estimated to be 50 metres.
Area G
Boulder sampling identified target area G along the eastern edge of the Athabasca sandstone, south of Tromberg Bay. Geochemical values are up to 0.31 part per million uranium (median 0.21 part per million), up to 31 parts per million boron (median six parts per million) and the sandstone is strongly illitic. These values are associated with an untested geophysical conductor.
Le Drew
Boulder sampling highlighted the Le Drew Lake area, near the edge of the Athabasca sandstone. Previous work identified outstanding radon-in-water (uranium pathfinder) anomalies. These were interpreted to coincide with the junction of two major fault systems. The boulder sampling confirms the presence of anomalous uranium values up to 0.89 part per million (median 0.21 part per million) and anomalous lead up to 1.17 parts per million (median 0.53 part per million). A weak, untested geophysical conductor is closely associated with the anomalous boulders.
The boulder sampling program found several other areas weakly anomalous in trace elements and these require more work. One of these is the South Bear property, with uranium values up to 0.56 part per million (median 0.21 part per million), lead up to 2.83 parts per million (median 0.53 part per million) and one sample with 0.4 molybdenum (median 0.05 part per million).
United Carina plans to establish ground grids and complete geophysical surveys over the three target areas as soon as logistically possible. Following data interpretation, the resulting targets will be drill tested.
The Hatchet Lake property is currently 100 per cent owned by United Carina and consists of four claim blocks, totalling 41,864 acres. Entourage Mining Ltd. is earning a 20-per-cent interest in the property and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is earning a 40-per-cent interest in the property. When the earn-ins have been completed, the property ownership will be: United Carina Resources, 40 per cent: CMKM Diamonds, 40 per cent; and Entourage Mining, 20 per cent.
The qualified person responsible for the technical information in this news release is Daniel Studer, PGeo. All samples were analyzed at the Saskatchewan Research Council (SRC) geoanalytical laboratories.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Seem to remember you pushing that theory as well, legal.
Didn't say Citi wasn't involved in some way. (Check and see who is buying the gold from Ecuador.) Just said it was an ACCA rumor. LOL And I don't promote ACCA or his theories.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Encouraging results were obtained south of Hatchet Lake in an area west of Turkey Lake."
Hatchet and Turkey. Just where I want to put my $$$$s.
Posted by Binky on :
St. George defenceless, headless; awaits SEC decision
2005-09-27 19:53 ET - Street Wire
Also Street Wire (U-*SEC) U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Also Street Wire (U-CMKX) CMKM Diamonds Inc
by Lee M. Webb
St. George Metals Inc., a barely-revived pink sheet shell with ties to U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) target Urban Casavant's CMKM Diamonds Inc., is defenceless and headless as it awaits a judge's decision on whether its stock registration should be revoked. William B. Haseltine, the company's attorney, president and only director, quietly resigned in the midst of the SEC administrative proceeding.
Vegreville awakening
As previously reported by Stockwatch, Nevada-incorporated St. George can trace its lineage to the former scandal-plagued Vancouver Stock Exchange (VSE), one of the precursors to the TSX Venture Exchange.
Little more than a garden variety Vancouver mining promotion, financially challenged St. George ran out of cash and virtually ceased operations in 1993. The VSE finally suspended trading in St. George in 1995 and then delisted the company early in 1996.
Following the rather ignominious VSE delisting, St. George languished on the pink sheets where it eked out an occasional trade at one-10th of a penny until its surprising revival to join Mr. Casavant's CMKM promotion in September of last year. (All amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
On Sept. 2, 2004, CMKM announced that it had finalized a joint venture agreement with St. George whereby the resuscitated pink sheet shell would cough up $10-million and a whopping 200 billion shares in exchange for a 5-per-cent stake in mineral claims purportedly controlled by Mr. Casavant's own flagging pink sheet promotion.
Within days of that announcement, St. George rocketed to a dizzying 75 cents per share and millions of shares changed hands as excitable investors, including many CMKM shareholders, piled into the obscure stock.
According to company news releases, some issued by St. George and others issued by CMKM, the dusted-off pink sheet shell made four payments of $2.5-million to meet its $10-million commitment, with the final payment delivered by Sept. 28.
The source of that purported $10-million cash infusion has never been disclosed and it is still not clear whether any of that money actually changed hands or what became of the 200 billion St. George shares that reportedly comprised part of the transaction.
Intriguingly, Mr. Casavant reportedly told Dow Jones reporter Carol Remond last September that he really knew nothing at all about St. George.
As reported by Stockwatch on Sept. 16, 2004, however, St. George was headquartered in the unlikely town of Vegreville, Alta., a small farming community known more as the home of the world's largest Easter Egg than a financial hub.
As it turned out, Vegreville was also the home of Mr. Casavant's brother, Victor Casavant, a former Alberta securities violator and one of 23 members of the Casavant family with a stake in CMKM.
Vegreville also turned out to be the home of Mr. Casavant's niece, Vicki Curran, another CMKM shareholder and daughter of Victor Casavant. When contacted by Stockwatch last September, Ms. Curran was serving as St. George's investor relations spokesperson.
Mark Giebelhaus, then St. George's president and only identified officer, also called Vegreville home. Mr. Giebelhaus's background and qualifications remain a mystery.
Ms. Curran told Stockwatch last September 16 that a "handful of press releases" would be issued that week that would explain all about St. George, including the source of the $10-million cash for the CMKM deal, the company's background and its "brand new board of directors."
Alas, the handful of information packed press releases never materialized that week or any other week.
After a far from enlightening Oct. 15, 2004, news release promising further information regarding the company's affairs would be issued later that month, St. George fell silent until April 25 of this year.
By that time, Mr. Casavant's massively diluted CMKM was the subject of an SEC administrative proceeding to revoke the company's stock registration.
Another resuscitation
On April 25, St. George stirred again, announcing that the board of directors, still unidentified, had appointed lawyer William B. Haseltine as the company's president. No mention was made of what had become of Mr. Haseltine's predecessor, Mr. Giebelhaus.
Mr. Haseltine, no blushing ingenue when it comes to floundering pink sheet promotions, gushed about his excitement at the appointment and St. George's "tremendous opportunities in mining."
St. George's new president sketched his immediate goals, which included getting the company current and compliant with its SEC reporting obligations, assessing immediate mining acquisitions and finalizing previous and pending deals with other companies.
Shortly after taking the reins at St. George, Mr. Haseltine issued some fluffy new releases about proposed acquisitions.
On May 2, Mr. Haseltine announced that St. George had signed a letter of intent to merge with Nevada Vermiculite LLC, a deal that would reportedly bring more than $30-million in recoverable assets from a Montana vermiculite mining operation into the company.
The details of that proposed deal remain murky.
On May 25, Mr. Haseltine announced the company had entered into another letter of intent, this one involving the acquisition of all of the uranium properties owned by Mineral Energy and Technology Corp.
According to that fluffy news release, the "very lucrative uranium opportunity" involved proven reserves of over seven million pounds of uranium that, once produced, would have a market value of $200-million.
The details of that "very lucrative" proposed deal also remain murky.
Meanwhile, the matter of St. George's reported transaction with CMKM surfaced in the SEC administrative proceeding against Mr. Casavant's pink sheet promotion.
At a May 10 evidentiary hearing where Mr. Casavant asserted his Fifth Amendment privilege and refused to answer any questions, however, nobody could shed any light on the purported $10-million deal involving St. George.
Regulatory challenge
On June 8, SEC enforcement lawyer Leslie Hakala, who presented the U.S. regulator's case against CMKM, contacted Mr. Haseltine to inquire about St. George's failure to file required periodic reports.
Ms. Hakala informed Mr. Haseltine that if St. George did not file the missing reports by June 22, the enforcement division would consider recommending that the SEC institute revocation proceedings against the company.
Summarizing a telephone conversation with Mr. Haseltine on the morning of June 8, Ms. Hakala noted, among other things, that he had indicated that he was the only officer and director of the company, he had no documents regarding St. George other than the papers in which he had been appointed president and Mr. Giebelhaus had resigned and he knew nothing about the purported $10-million transaction with CMKM.
According to Ms. Hakala, St. George did not file the required periodic reports or even contact the SEC to discuss the matter.
On July 1, the SEC issued an order instituting revocation proceedings against St. George for failing to file annual reports since April of 2002 and failing to file quarterly reports since November of 2002.
Short answer
On July 13, Mr. Haseltine submitted a very brief answer to the SEC order. Indeed, Mr. Haseltine's four-paragraph response on behalf of St. George, which was not received by the U.S. regulator until July 19, barely exceeds one page.
"Respondents admit the allegations in the order to the extent that certain recent filings have not been made that are required by the Securities Exchange Act," Mr. Haseltine wrote, adding that all other charges and allegations were denied.
Mr. Haseltine went on to offer a claim that is more than a little hard to square with St. George's purported $10-million deal with CMKM and subsequent proposed multimillion dollar transactions with other companies.
"Respondent has been dormant for the past two years and has neither conducted any business nor had access to any capital," Mr. Haseltine wrote. "Therefore, the filings could not be made on a timely basis."
Exactly how a company with no access to cash, according to Mr. Haseltine, managed to ante up $10-million for a slice of Mr. Casavant's pink sheet promotion remains a mystery.
Mr. Haseltine wrapped up his July 13 short answer by claiming that St. George had just taken steps to pay its accountants to prepare the delinquent reports, adding that the company expected to become current with its reporting obligations within two weeks.
That, of course, did not happen.
Two weeks after Mr. Haseltine submitted his short answer to the SEC proceedings, a prehearing conference was held before Administrative Law Judge Robert G. Mahony.
At the July 28 prehearing conference, Judge Mahony granted the enforcement division leave to file a motion for summary disposition.
Under the briefing schedule, the SEC had until Aug. 29 to file its motion for summary disposition. St. George was given until Sept. 16 to file an opposition brief and the SEC had until Sept. 26 to file a reply brief.
Quick dismount
On Aug. 25, Mr. Haseltine resigned as St. George's president. At the same time, he resigned his position as the company's attorney.
Mr. Haseltine's faxed resignation was addressed to Bruce Harlan, a resident of Clearwater, Fla., whose connection to St. George is unclear. A copy of the letter was also faxed to Ms. Hakala.
"I hereby resign as president of St. George Metals Inc.," Mr. Haseltine wrote to Mr. Harlan. "Please convey this fact to your clients or to other major shareholders as you determine in your discretion. I also resign my position as attorney for the company."
Mr. Haseltine went on to provide his reasons for climbing out of the saddle as the company's lawyer and president.
"Although I was hired in April to 'clean up the company' and to bring filings with the SEC to current status, payment for my services has not been rendered since May," Mr. Haseltine wrote.
"Your clients are not readily accessible," he continued.
"No documents, including those necessary to support any filings to be made with the SEC, have been provided to me as agreed by your clients in April, 2005," Mr. Haseltine offered as his final reason for pulling the plug.
Mr. Haseltine added a few comments on the fax cover sheet of the copy of his resignation letter that he forwarded to Ms. Hakala.
"Just submitted this," Mr. Haseltine wrote to the SEC lawyer. "I was just told by BH that there was no prospect of receiving any cash from them."
SEC lance
On Aug. 29, four days after Mr. Haseltine resigned and on the filing deadline set out in Judge Mahony's briefing schedule, Ms. Hakala filed a motion for summary disposition of the administrative proceeding.
According to Ms. Hakala, St. George has conceded the factual allegations in the order instituting proceedings and has offered "no cognizable defenses to its repeated past failures to file periodic reports."
Ms. Hakala goes on to argue that the relevant Steadman factors, a guide to determining the appropriate sanction, each militate in favour of revoking St. George's stock registration.
Among other things, Ms. Hakala claims that St. George's reporting violations were egregious and recurring, the company has not offered any meaningful assurances against future violations, those reporting violations are highly likely to continue and the public interest is best served by revoking the company's stock registration.
Stockwatch obtained copies of the documents in the administrative file on Sept. 26. The file did not contain an opposition brief from St. George regarding the SEC motion for summary disposition, though it is possible that a filing was made between the date Stockwatch's request for the documents was processed and the date copies were forwarded.
In any event, barring a timely and compelling opposition brief from St. George, Judge Mahony's deliberations over the SEC motion for summary disposition of the revocation proceedings may be far from taxing.
Indeed, reportedly headless and lawyerless St. George appears to be on the verge of being toppled into the SEC revocation dustbin.
In uninspired trading far below the high of 75 cents notched in the wake of the purported $10-million deal with CMKM, 2,000 shares changed hands as St. George closed at three-10ths of a penny on Sept. 27.
Comments regarding this article may be sent to lwebb*stockwatch.com.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ah, SGGM, the old exact mimiographed PR papers created by UC. Same story, different names. Should be seeing this with USCA, and then GEMM. I think they're all going down. But will reappear as new names & locations....The uranium pr has almost the same wording as the the diamond mining crap. And I beleive SGGM reached at least .90 in very early Oct. 04 as well. It's obvious that the UC machine hopes to do that with uranium..... S5
Posted by santacruzblur on :
That SGGM post should be enough for most investors to run for the hills.
Posted by bmarley5780 on :
wish this would just go away....
Posted by dwman on :
LOL... The "Citigroup" thing was entirely for the benefit of will and he has not been around I guess. If you remember back awhile, that was his response to me coming back to the board after being away a few days.
I love you guys. I'm wondering about the health of my friend wallace and about Ric's wife. Hope things are better there. Far too many posts to read but looks much the same as when I left with the exception of missed forecasts about cmkx being history long before now. Oh well... lol... I understand that feeling, having spent 38 years trying to predict the weather.
Anyway, good to see you guys. My family took in a Thai mother and daughter to make it possible for them to keep their restaurant and I have been quite busy getting the daughter enrolled in college, driving her back and forth to classes, and teaching her to drive. Whew... soon she will have a car and driver's license. lol
GO CMKX.... Guys...be gentle with legal. He's a friend too
Posted by dwman on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "All I know is I have many shares at no cost with many JV Partners at no cost,& the gem of the deal The spinoff on 9/30/03 in cert form."
And in the end, all losers.
Nice thing about certs, wallace.... you can use them if you run out of red and white corn cobs or sears catalogues.
Posted by legaleagle on :
IMO SGGM was pulled out of moth balls to be used as the fifth dividend in "Operation Dividend". However that was delayed due to the MM's coming to the bargaining table. That speculation is what drove the early price run.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Starting to wind down now. Looks like the SEC will get them all eventually.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
legal,
Not sure what you mean by "Operation Dividend". Don't you think it is a bit suspect that a defunct company supposedly gave CMKX $10M? Where did this money come from? This is a huge chunk of money for 90% of the world's companies.
Posted by will on :
dw, I saw your CTIGROUP posts, and new exactly what it was about. I typed a response, but it didn't post. Guess I switched screens or refreshed to fast. I was involved in some other nonsense, and was hurried. Good see you're back around.
Posted by legaleagle on :
You'll find all of the players (except UC) in E-connect. ECNC
How does a company who supposedly invested 10MM (plus 200 billion shares) with CMKX not have a few hundred dollars to create a homepage (at least a static one)?
Please answer this question for me: How do you know that any of this money ever exchanged hands? The PR doesn't count.
Also, has CMKX ever had real business dealing with any company that wasn't a pink or a OTCBB?
Posted by ed19363 on :
LOL...sounds to me like there are so many people involved with this that they cant decide which ones to lock up !!!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: legal-
How does a company who supposedly invested 10MM (plus 200 billion shares) with CMKX not have a few hundred dollars to create a homepage (at least a static one)?
Please answer this question for me: How do you know that any of this money ever exchanged hands? The PR doesn't count.
Also, has CMKX ever had real business dealing with any company that wasn't a pink or a OTCBB?
St George Metals was a shell sitting in a Shawn Hackman Rental PO Box prior to being brought out on the CMKX scene. (You might remember Hackman is the John Edwards cohort who turned States Evidence early last year) It probably never was anything more than an Edwards shell, devised to transfer funds. Check the Wallace Giebelhaus shares disbusement on Pedro's lists to discover the source of the funds. But remember, it was Edwards who was behind the scenes on this one.
CMKX has several Canadian joint ventures that are neither on Pinks or OTCBB.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Do they have any JVs with public companies that are not on the pinks or OTCBB?
Also, it seems like everyone is pointing their fingers at Edwards.... but isn't UC the CEO? When Worldcom and Tyco had their issues both CEOs took the bullet.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I'll save you some time, Pedro just posted them on 32:
Who is Wallace Giebelhaus?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Do they have any JVs with public companies that are not on the pinks or OTCBB?
Also, it seems like everyone is pointing their fingers at Edwards.... but isn't UC the CEO? When Worldcom and Tyco had their issues both CEOs took the bullet.
If one of those CEOs had been working with the DOJ there may have been a different outcome.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal,
There could be a chance of CMKX being real if they had some basics: 1. Significantly less authorized shares 2. Any and I mean ANY audited information
These two things would make this a much different picture.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:Originally posted by will: dw, I saw your CTIGROUP posts, and new exactly what it was about. I typed a response, but it didn't post. Guess I switched screens or refreshed to fast. I was involved in some other nonsense, and was hurried. Good see you're back around.
Hey Will good to see you too. I discovered that my McAfee privacy program that blocks cookies has to be disabled in order for me to post on allstocks.
Posted by will on :
Yea, you got to watch your cookies, man. Especially when a guy named Bruce McAfee is after them. So, what ya think, dw. We have a huge NSS + a DOJ sting + a priceless value, or we still waitng on CITIGROUP ? You remember them , they're the guy's that said get our decal off of your pos race car, before we own it.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by dwman:
quote:I discovered that my McAfee privacy program that blocks cookies has to be disabled in order for me to post on allstocks.
I discovered that I have to turn my virus scanner off in order for me to read posts by Will.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Hey dwman, whats cooking "cookies" LOL
"got foxholes"?
howz dem dern twisters a treating ya'll?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Who is Wallace Giebelhaus?
Mark Giebelhaus preceeded Haseltine as CEO of SGGM
Posted by legaleagle on :
September 27, 2005 · China's failed attempt to take over the U.S. oil company Unocal raised concerns in America about the communist nation's influence on the global energy market. But where China failed to acquire an oil company in the U.S., it has found success in the oil resource sector of Canada. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4865764&ft=1&f=1006 Posted by Upside on :
Dang, does ANYTHING happen in Canada that doesn't involve CMKX?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Who is Wallace Giebelhaus?
I believe it's a guy who also goes by the name of Wallace #1.
Posted by bill1352 on :
great now your gonna tell us the cmkx will be supplying china with huge amounts of oil. seriously legal, how much LSD did you do as a teen??? those flashbacks must be he11.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Dang, does ANYTHING happen in Canada that doesn't involve CMKX?
It's hard to miss those 3.5 million acres. Oops now I've done it.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Upside, you never heard the stock boiler room game??? you call 20 ppl, you tell 10 to buy & 10 to short. in 2 weeks you call those folks you told to do the right thing & push the stock whatever company you work for owns & wants to run. its the first pump & dump game in the market.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: great now your gonna tell us the cmkx will be supplying china with huge amounts of oil. seriously legal, how much LSD did you do as a teen??? those flashbacks must be he11.
Well UC and Ed have made three trips to China this month. Probably not getting new suits.
Posted by will on :
Canada? How bout the WORLD. Add to this that UC was in Hong Kong, now you got something. Along with the DOJ sting operation, and the NSS situation, you're gold, man. Oops! Did I say gold, no wait that's in Ecuador, I can say that.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Dang, does ANYTHING happen in Canada that doesn't involve CMKX?
It's hard to miss those 3.5 million acres. Oops now I've done it.
Posted by Upside on :
Great, so now we're going to have Project Szechwan Surround too. Can't wait until Disney decides to put a theme park up there, Project Mickey Mousurround. Just watch, it'll happen.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I categorically deny I have been to China....
Posted by bill1352 on :
i hope you have great medical insurance legal. cause if your not playing the "i'm a cmkx cult member" joke around here the bills from the head shrink when reality sets in will be huge....lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
it already did Up...your a few days late...it opened last week...a copy of California's disneyland....lol
Posted by will on :
Hey this is CMKX, they don't fit a mold. They have always had and will continue to have super powers. They negotiate with government agencies, and I told you a long time they even can negotiate with foreign governments on behalf of the USA. They have more power than the State Department. UC makes Condoleeza Rice look like a biginner.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: it already did Up...your a few days late...it opened last week...a copy of California's disneyland....lol
I'm assuming somehow CMKX was tied in?
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok..i just got this email. i'm thinking its about as realistic as CMKX hitting .01...any opinions on if i should reply....lol
WINNING NOTIFICATION:
We happily announce to you the draw (#1018) of the THUNDERBALL WINNINGS under the UK NATIONAL LOTTERY, online Sweepstakes International Program drawn on Saturday 24th Sept 2005.
Your e-mail address attached to ticket number:56475600545 188 with Serial number 5368/02 drew the lucky number: 02 11 27 29 36 44 which subsequently won the Thunderball Jackpot prize. You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of _250,000 (Two hundred and fifty thousand pounds sterling) in cash credited to file
KTU/9023118308/05 of Thunderball Jackpot.
All participants for the online version were selected randomly from the World Wide Web through a computer draw system and extracted from over 100,000 unions, associations, and corporate bodies that are listed online.
This promotion takes place weekly.
Please note that your lucky winning number falls within our European booklet representative office in Europe as indicated in your play coupon. In view of this, your #250,000 would be released to you by any of our payment offices in Europe.
.
Posted by bill1352 on :
must be Up...you know the guys at Disney could never build a new park without UC's guidance...lol
Posted by Upside on :
Winning ticket # 56475600545188? Isn't that the same as CMKX's o/s number?
Posted by bill1352 on :
give or take a few shares....lol UC probably runs that too
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: must be Up...you know the guys at Disney could never build a new park without UC's guidance...lol
10% lifetime royalty on all mouseketeer hats sold. Can't wait to see Urban posing in one of those with his arm around Goofy.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i thought UC & Goofy were 1 & the same.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Maybe they needed a couple diamond chips for lubricating the merry-go-round....
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: ok..i just got this email. i'm thinking its about as realistic as CMKX hitting .01...any opinions on if i should reply....lol
WINNING NOTIFICATION:
We happily announce to you the draw (#1018) of the THUNDERBALL WINNINGS under the UK NATIONAL LOTTERY, online Sweepstakes International Program drawn on Saturday 24th Sept 2005.
Your e-mail address attached to ticket number:56475600545 188 with Serial number 5368/02 drew the lucky number: 02 11 27 29 36 44 which subsequently won the Thunderball Jackpot prize. You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of _250,000 (Two hundred and fifty thousand pounds sterling) in cash credited to file
KTU/9023118308/05 of Thunderball Jackpot.
All participants for the online version were selected randomly from the World Wide Web through a computer draw system and extracted from over 100,000 unions, associations, and corporate bodies that are listed online.
This promotion takes place weekly.
Please note that your lucky winning number falls within our European booklet representative office in Europe as indicated in your play coupon. In view of this, your #250,000 would be released to you by any of our payment offices in Europe.
.
I wanna know how you picked the same numbers I did.....
Posted by Upside on :
Maybe that's what the often discussed "settlement" is going to be. The stock is deemed worthless but all loyal shareholders will receive a free one day pass to Disney Canada. Redeemable any operating day November through March.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i guess the first 1 to Europe claims the prize Ed...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
thats disney china Up...lol the 1 with all the short ppl running around. that way any cmkx shareholders that show up for their free day can be spotted by all the chinesse conmen. they will of course be offered shares in UC's new company supplying oil to china.
Posted by Upside on :
Oh, we're talking about Disney China. That's where they've got guys in stuffed suits running around named "Pruto" and "Sclooge McDuck".
Posted by dwman on :
quote:Originally posted by will: So, what ya think, dw. We have a huge NSS + a DOJ sting + a priceless value, or we still waitng on CITIGROUP ? You remember them , they're the guy's that said get our decal off of your pos race car, before we own it.
Darn you will! I was jumping up and down and drooling at the mouth (not from old age either) until you reminded me of the decal thing.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Hey dwman, whats cooking "cookies" LOL
"got foxholes"?
howz dem dern twisters a treating ya'll?
Hey Dusty!!! How ya doin ma man?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by dwman:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Hey dwman, whats cooking "cookies" LOL
"got foxholes"?
howz dem dern twisters a treating ya'll?
Hey Dusty!!! How ya doin ma man?
---------------------------------------------- Well, I got a new dIctInArY.....
Hey, I heard the Shakeman was up to his nocternal fridge raids again, but I think he went low cal..
Nothing worse than low fat mayo!
Threw a sandwhich away one time made with low cal, I thought it had spoiled...
Posted by legaleagle on :
China rising power: Canada, Sask. to reap benefits of growth
Bruce Johnstone Saskatchewan News Network
September 28, 2005
REGINA -- China is poised to become the world's next economic superpower, and Canada and Saskatchewan are well-positioned to take advantage of its explosive growth, according to an Asian trade expert.
"The dominant economic fact of this century will be the rise of China," Ken Courtis, vice-chair of Goldman Sachs for Asia, told the Saskatchewan Trade and Export Partnership conference here Tuesday.
"This country has a great opportunity to play a role in that process," added Courtis, a native of Winnipeg, who was named one of Canada's top 40 global leaders by Canadian Business magazine.
Unlike the U.S., which is "going bananas" over the alleged threat posed by China, Courtis said Canada, which established good relations with China during the 1970s, is ready to reap the benefits now.
Courtis also praised Premier Lorne Calvert for leading a trade mission to China and Japan, Saskatchewan's second and third-largest export markets respectively, next month.
"Saskatchewan has just about everything that China craves -- agriculture, oil and gas and uranium and other minerals, like potash. It has lots of space."
In an interview prior to his speech to the STEP conference, Saskatchewan is "perfectly primed for Asia's explosive growth," said Courtis, who sits on the boards of several Chinese companies.
"The Chinese will build a minimum of two (nuclear) reactors every year. . . . You have a lot of heavy oil. . . . China and India are becoming massive net importers of food, not just grain, but value-added food."
But the province has to "invest in its human capital, attract the right immigrants with the right skills and get the right infrastructure in place at the right time," he said. "The message that I would give to the Chinese is that Saskatchewan has everything that China craves and we're open for business."
Earlier, Michael Levy, executive vice-president of Custom House Global Foreign Exchange, told the conference the Canadian dollar could be on par with the U.S. dollar within 24 to 30 months.
"We're looking at the possibility of (the Canadian dollar at) 90 cents this fall or winter," said Levy, the Vancouver-based firm's financial analyst.
With the loonie increasingly seen as a "petro-dollar," Canada's currency will gain strength as energy and commodity prices remain high, said Levy. "We may not be recognized when they quote the currencies on the U.S. networks. Sure, the Canadian dollar doesn't come up on CNN. But . . . we're the largest supplier of oil products to the U.S. . . . There's lumber, there's oil, natural gas, base metals."
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Who is Wallace Giebelhaus?
I believe it's a guy who also goes by the name of Wallace #1.
Upside,
I'm going to have Will go over to your place and kick your lights out! I want to see some DD on that statement.....otherwise it's the courthouse for your casting aspersions on my good name.
legal,
It wasn't too difficult for anyone to make the connection between Mark and Wallace well before you posted it. However, it might have been helpful for the slower cult members to see that URBAN CASAVANT authorized the issuance of all those shares to Wallace in order to finance Mark's payment of $10 Million to Urban Casavant. And, for which there appear to be no records again on the part of either UC, Wallace or Mark. I am not sure how it works, but isn't that what is called "money laundering"?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
dw,
Been doing as well as expected. No complaints, but sure have missed your grammatical and spelling inputs.
Dusty,
Watchayubutt man!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace: It wasn't too difficult for anyone to make the connection between Mark and Wallace well before you posted it. However, it might have been helpful for the slower cult members to see that URBAN CASAVANT authorized the issuance of all those shares to Wallace in order to finance Mark's payment of $10 Million to Urban Casavant."
Where can they go to "SEE" that Urban authorized the issuance?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Right on that list of issuances from which you got those figures for Wallace. Those shares could NEVER get issued without UC's OK....and don't feed me any crap about counterfeits....or thefts.
PS: That record, legal, is called a General Ledger.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
[ September 28, 2005, 22:23: Message edited by: johnny14511 ]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
johnny,
Don't know where you heard anything about a split of any kind. Suggest you stay away from CMKX completely....it will probably not be trading at all in the near future once the SEC gets through with them.
A forward split is a positive split where you end up with more shares than before. Such as a 2x1 (two for one), 3x2 (three for two), etc. A reverse split is a negative split where you end up with fewer shares than before. Such as 1x10 (1 for 10), 1x50 (1 for 50), 1x1000 (1 for 1000), etc.
Posted by Ric on :
Looks to me that UC make two ways here some serious cash. Not only did he get 10 million from basically selling CMKX share (giving the shares to Wallace, he sells them and gives back to UC). Were did the sggm shares go?
There is serious money here. Where is it? 200 billion share in a company that went to 75 cents. Wonder why UC took the fifth with personal not company lawyers to represent him? Especially since the company is in debt now.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good point, Ric. What happened to those SGGM shs and when? I don't recall seeing anything on that General Ledger of CMKX's.
Posted by will on :
johnny, this is CMKX not CWMF. Sure you got the right thread?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
johnny,
"Commonwealth American Financial Group Announces No Changes to the 50:100 Forward Split"
Maybe the above misleading. I have never seen a forward split referred to as above. That appears to be a true forward split, but is a 1/2 share for every share (1/2x1).
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Looks like johnny figured that out will. How are you feeling these days? Cranky as ever? Did you see how shabbily Upside treated me suggesting I might be a "Wallace" associated with scum bags?
Posted by Ric on :
Its a classic pump and dump move by a .0003 company doing a useless forward split when they really need to do a reverse split and quit diluting shares. And the reason for a 50:100 instead of a 1:2 is for two reasons. Its sounds better but the other reason is if you own 220 share you only get 100 shares in a 50:100 but would get 110 share in a 1:2.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
i get mixed up with the symbols
sorry bout that
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, johnny, no problem. Glad to have been able to be of help. Some of the people on this thread are very nice. LOL
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Some of the people on this thread are very nice. LOL
Name one.
Posted by Ric on :
lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Some of the people on this thread are very nice. LOL
Name one.
Wallace, you old fool, Wallace. LOL
Posted by will on :
He's having issues, AGAIN, Wallace. It will pass, you know how he is.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Looks like johnny figured that out will. How are you feeling these days? Cranky as ever? Did you see how shabbily Upside treated me suggesting I might be a "Wallace" associated with scum bags?
Posted by Doctoall on :
Hey are all the oldtimers having a reunion without inviting me Great to see you all back for a visit.
Posted by legaleagle on :
By: taxauditor10 26 Aug 2005, 03:26 PM EDT Msg. 146429 of 146460 Jump to msg. #
GWW indicted with 17 counts - August 25 - While appearing in Court on an unrelated civil matter GWW was served and arrested by none other than Joe Kelley - LV Homeland Security - GWW was cuffed and led away. These are State charges, Federal charges to follow next week. Our sources were attended the civil Court on another matter.
GEEZ, Doc, I talked to you on a different thread today, and you totally ignored me, Thought you were having that rare disease, "Upside Issues".
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: Hey are all the oldtimers having a reunion without inviting me Great to see you all back for a visit.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Name one.
Pardon me, name one other than me.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Too late, Up. I beat you to it!
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by will: GEEZ, Doc, I talked to you on a different thread today, and you totally ignored me, Thought you were having that rare disease, "Upside Issues".
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: Hey are all the oldtimers having a reunion without inviting me Great to see you all back for a visit.
Sorry must have been having a "Senior Moment" Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Sorry must have been having a "Senior Moment""
Be careful how you say that young feller!
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "Sorry must have been having a "Senior Moment""
Be careful how you say that young feller!
I was being kind I could have said a "Depends Moment" :
Posted by Doctoall on :
In any case I see that Legal is still posting and still has not accepted that CMKX is done, toast, period.
While Urban is chillin like a villian!!!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
wallace, you'd need to get younger to have a senior moment. that comment was meant for someone that wasn't around when those huge cmkx diamond mines were just coal mines...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
Doc...you missed it..legal claims to have proof UC has been the DOJ's mole in the whole naked short game. why in just a few weeks UC will be decorated on the white house steps for saving the US stock market from terrorists, evil mm's, hedge funds & off shore crooks. the next thing you know Congress will have UC & mahoo working on the federal books.
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: wallace, you'd need to get younger to have a senior moment. that comment was meant for someone that wasn't around when those huge cmkx diamond mines were just coal mines...lol
OT: not a diamond guy, but that's funny! glta
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Nice to see all my "friends" gathering and picking on the old man of the bunch....except for dwman (he's really old).
Posted by will on :
Hey Doc! That's the obscure news we all been waiting for, Gary Walters Felony Arraignment today. Now we'll see that .05 settlement.
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: In any case I see that Legal is still posting and still has not accepted that CMKX is done, toast, period.
While Urban is chillin like a villian!!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Tex, pay no attention to bill1352. You see, he's expressing his IQ with the numbers following his ID. 13 minus 52 = -39
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: Doc...you missed it..legal claims to have proof UC has been the DOJ's mole in the whole naked short game. why in just a few weeks UC will be decorated on the white house steps for saving the US stock market from terrorists, evil mm's, hedge funds & off shore crooks. the next thing you know Congress will have UC & mahoo working on the federal books.
I advised him to get help before the delusions took total control Posted by bill1352 on :
was DW havin one of those whole body transplants wallace? the ones given when someone gets so old everything starts turning to dust. i was wondering where he had went. he wanted us to believe he was just real busy...lol
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Nice to see all my "friends" gathering and picking on the old man of the bunch....except for dwman (he's really old).
You should feel "loved" Posted by will on :
I want to be the fight promoter for the ed/noah championship fight. Maybe we can have it in Vegas, and stop by debbie's hospitality booth.
"give you a smack for drill"
Wish you guys lived closer.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well has i was told many times before getting banned from pb32, i'm just a negitive person all the way around wallace. guess my IQ should match...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
i want front row seats for that one....can we all visit deb's booth...not to sure hospitality would be the theme once we got there tho.
Posted by will on :
She's a good Christian woman, bill. She would forgive us for laughing in her face and calling her dumb ....
Posted by bill1352 on :
another interesting email...guess this kills legals idea cmkx will be supplying china with oil...at least it cuts down on the amount...lol
As you read this, Synenco Energy has filed for an IPO to raise $212 million to get started on its Northern Lights oil sands project in Alberta. Forty percent of the Northern Lights project is owned by the CHINESE!!!
Every major industrial nation in the world is sending teams of investors to Alberta to buy-up pieces of the energy future. This makes any company sitting on significant reserves solid gold real estate.
My favorite oil sands company is sitting on $156 billion worth of oil.
It's up 153% in eight months... and I think it'll go up another 245% in the next 18 to 24 months.
Here's why... Every time oil moves up 50¢ per barrel, the value of the oil in this company's oil sands property increases $1.2 Billion... That's because the company is sitting on an oil property twice the size of Miami, Florida and worth more than the entire GDP of the city of San Francisco. The $5.50 company just inked a billion dollar deal with one of the largest oil companies in Canada to get the crude flowing asap. Once on-line, it'll pump 190,000 barrels every single day for 40 years straight!
Posted by bill1352 on :
sort of sounds like UC wrote the pr tho...lol...wait maybe the company is the next cmkx takeover target...hmmm
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by will: She's a good Christian woman, bill. She would forgive us for laughing in her face and calling her dumb ....
For that one I want a front row and center seat, maybe we could get the lady from Saskatchewan to come back and have another visit with Urban Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hard to believe she's still spouting off in favor of CMKX. I once thought she was much brighter. I wouldn't have to say a word at her Vegas booth. Just laugh like hell at whatever will, in his eloquent way, says to her.
Posted by will on :
bill. is right, it would quickly turn into a hostility booth.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Hard to believe she's still spouting off in favor of CMKX. I once thought she was much brighter. I wouldn't have to say a word at her Vegas booth. Just laugh like hell at whatever will, in his eloquent way, says to her.
Don't laught to hard you could have a "Depends Moment" but it would be worth every moment Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"For that one I want a front row and center seat, maybe we could get the lady from Saskatchewan to come back and have another visit with Urban"
Was that lady ever identified by name? Sure wish she was posting on this thread. Would be much fun! And, maybe we could make her feel better.
Posted by Doctoall on :
I just realized how much fun we use to have on this thread. And didn't realize how much I miss those posting days. And to think that when I first started to post I got banned for going after Wallace. Posted by bill1352 on :
i think she would be in need of the Depends...just imagine having the Allstocks basher bunch show up spouting reality in the middle of her fantasy booth....i'm guessing a lot of warm liquid would be running down her leg...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Doc, where you work, you probably carry Depends around with you. Therefore, I wouldn't have to worry about it if you were there as well.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i think she would be in need of the Depends...just imagine having the Allstocks basher bunch show up spouting reality in the middle of her fantasy booth....i'm guessing a lot of warm liquid would be running down her leg...lol
Oh that's what the warm sensation is Posted by bill1352 on :
maybe we could get legal to walk in there with us...just to show we meant no harm or held any grudges...what do ya think legal??? up for a dose of reality???
Posted by will on :
Yea Doc, we all will be suffering from Post CMKX Syndrome. I think Upside was the first casualty.
Posted by Doctoall on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wallace#1: Doc, where you work, you probably carry Depends around with you. Therefore, I wouldn't have to worry about it if you were there as well. [/QUOTE
Yep free depends for everyone, but they maybe a bit harder than usual because I have the CMKX paper certs as the liners Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"And to think that when I first started to post I got banned for going after Wallace."
Why the hell would you bring that up? I don't even remember what you said. No, don't remind me! I'll deny it!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"they maybe a bit harder than usual"
Well I very well know that could not be from natural reactions.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Something to do with windbag and a hurricane but I won't say the rest. I must admit you did tell Bob Frey to go easy on me and I did get to post again. And the rest is history Posted by bill1352 on :
well Doc we still like going after Wallace....even with my -39 IQ, i am normally quicker then him...unless of course his wife is pissed at him & he hasn't been gettin any.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: Something to do with windbag and a hurricane but I won't say the rest. I must admit you did tell Bob Frey to go easy on me and I did get to post again. And the rest is history
That Bob Frey is damn good people as far as I am concerned.
Posted by will on :
Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm gonna go google Gary Walters. Good night !
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Yeah, will, past my bed time too. Good night all. Enjoyed talking with so many good friends tonight. You too will.
Posted by will on :
"That Bob Frey is damn good people as far as I am concerned."
ASS KISSER ! LOL
Now you're starting to sound like Upside.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'd rather google cindy walters but then i dont wear sundresses...to each their own....lol...nite all (p.s....Will's also fair game Doc)
Posted by Doctoall on :
Good night all, let's not wait so long to do this again, haven't laughed so hard in a long time.
Thanks guys, keep safe till we get back Posted by Ric on :
"At this point, Jarvis referred me back to the email I had sent him the previous evening, specifically to the list of names I had included (John Edwards, David Coffey, David Desormeau, Chris Jenson, Gary Walters, and NevWest Securities). I had also written the following in my email to Jarvis: "If there were “up-front” agreements or conditions at the time of Urban’s acquisition of the CMKI, or if there were pre-existing or concurrent equity financing arrangements, or share-structure conditions, your advice would be appreciated." CRITICALbegin-1 Jarvis repeatedly emphasized the point that, while Urban Casavant was "mentioned in the presentation", and was "part of the deal", Urban was never present at any of several meetings between the parties, which took place at his attorneys office, nor did he ever speak to Urban at any time during the sale of the shell. Jarvis says that at all of the meetings, Gary Walters was the "promoter of the deal". In addition to the meetings, all phone calls made relative the "conglomerate's presentation and acquisition" were between Jarvis and Walters. Jarvis further explained that deal, as presented to him, was for CMKI to "be a holding vehicle for several entities that would be pulled together". He commented that he was surprised when the "diamond mining basically took over CMKI". He was surprised that the FALC claims came into the CMKI shell. He again stated that this was not how the deal was pitched to him. CRITICALend"
Ramoil connection to CMKX. Ramo went up 10,000% is 5 days with Steve Cummings as CEO.
and this one from GW all cracked up:
By: bigsmacknv 11 Sep 2005, 09:10 AM EDT Msg. 149027 of 149085 (This msg. is a reply to 148993 by bigsmacknv.) Jump to msg. # ((((((((((((((((((NEWS THE REAL TRUTH IS COMMIN RICK AND ROBERT AND IT WILL BE SEVERE SANTIONS ON THE TWO OF YOU NOW!)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Jump to msg. # get this straight , gary walters never ever talked to john jarvis about any shell for cmkx , in fact the real matter is that don dickson introduced john edwards to john jarvis and , in fact it was john edwards whom flew to houston to meet the ill famed john jarvis a natoris pot smoking lier ,
gary walters never had anything to do with the purchase of any shell deal at all it is absolutly a fabricated lie and made no money nor had any dealings with john jarvis on the shell itself, that deal was bought by john edwards long before any consiferation of the cassavant deal came into play,.
gary walters and mike myers met urban cassavant one morning in a house belong to betesta in spanish trails and there they were shown maps and the like of diamond mining claims by urban cassavant in sa. canada , now mike was hanging out with urban and met gary walters shortly after gary walters came back from indiana being vendicated in a legal matter of know truth , it was gary walters whom told don dickson whom was living at gary walters home in from houston about the cassavant mining deal , and it was don dickson whom introduced john edwards as the merchant banker that would most likely provide the shell t0 do the diamond deal , at know time, untill there were fuds between dickson and edwrds about the jarvis shell and eaches cut etc, , and gary walters would of never ever had anything to do with john jarvis after jarvis stiffed gary walters out of 50k in another earlier deal,
gary walters if he knewe at the time it was a jarvis shell it would of been nothing going on because gw would not deal with a lier like john jarvis ,
it was dickson and edwards that made the deal on the sheel with john jarvis not gary walters and at know time did john hjarvis ever ever talk toi gary waltersd about the shell used in cmkx ,
john edwards and bill coffey conjured up the stock issuance plans and records wuill prove it all,
urban gave gary walters for his introduction and other contacts and help with the ir 200 million shares oplus they promised him and others more ,
it was urban whom met dr perrin at a christmas function and ask him to join the board of directors of cmki or cmkx and then when john edwards got more involved his partners from the pcbm management group jeff and vince and they are the ones that activly provided the retail of the cmkx stock and edwards was the one really dumping at the time he used a lot of cash taken from milton and others to build rancho santafe in california ,
latter edwards caklled a meeting at the cesears palace with gary walters vince and jeff , it was jeff whom blamed gary walters in shorting the stock of cmkx and stealing millions of dollars they claimed was to be theirs,. etc, anyway jeff threatened gary walters that nighht to gauge out his eyes and choke him and throw him in a pond deal outside the resturant etc, it was heated and yealing among all of them , the next day john edwards came over to the cowan circler house and wanted to see the 2 certs gw had for a 100 mill shares each , gw took edwards upstairs and showed him he had his certs intact , then john edwards attempted to want to take them but gw would not let him he only allowed him to make copies and take them with him ,
the next day urban calls gw and says we want to buy you out completely , we hear you are very upset, gw said yes i am upset you squandered 2 million dollars at harahas and other casinos etc , and this made gw ferious and the fact that it wwas john edwards whom had all these nominees and lots of cmkx stock to sell, gw believes he john edwards stoled alot of money from the others in bed with him and they were mad, they bought gw out for a heafty sum cash deals made and paid to gw at the community bank on rainbow, gw even had t6o do radio shows for urban because he was always drunk etc,
gw did everything he could to assit in making cmkx a real deal buy , but they tiesd his hands and bought him out after dickson and gw returned from a sit down at uncle miltons condo in top of the jocky club in miamai there was a bobby macalister whom took alot of shares belived from edwards and never did anything for them at all , then when gw caught shawn hackman and rick tauli and questionable about this brian devorck boxing stock and counterfitting it to get lots of aq shares free trading , they even tried to cut gw in and he refused and they were fired for it .
3 days later shawn hackman was indicted for the very same thing rick tauli did boxing stock puting his girlfriend and others in the boxed stock knowingly dam well that they had no money or checks involved .
rick tauli went on to steal gw house in spanish trails new furniture and cash , there is law suit pending, now rick tauli hooks up with robert garcia and john o' kurth jr conspires and defrauds the courts and gw , they perfect phony judgements due to their underminded schemes to fraud, lie, cheat and steal from gw whom now is going to file charges against them and have the courts of jesse walsh and valeri adeir review their lies and deceast and fraud on the courts and from there it may mean futher santions to these guys, they hooked up with a sharon scara whom totaly frauded gw and others in las vegas aera.
rick tauli like robert garcia are liers cheats and theives and there is more than just circumstantial evidenmce being turned over to the proper authorities and the da's office for futher santions .
this is my investigations as a retired person having friends of the fbi and doing the real due dilligence it is for your recordation as adminastrator to know know the real truth and rick tauli is still doing deals with john edwards and circumventing cheating lieing back dating docs fabricasting them for the his cheating occassions now and for others ! it is belkived that arrests are imminate within the next 10 days or less and i will tell you it will not be gw.john jarivs go to hell for lieing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by dwman on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: dw,
Been doing as well as expected. No complaints, but sure have missed your grammatical and spelling inputs.
Dusty,
Watchayubutt man!
Wallace, you ain't doin well atall. I'm worried bout you. You done started talkin funny. "aspersions"? You sure need to lern how to spel. Besides, how can someone cast a persons on your good name. Let me correct your grammer. It should be "a person" not "a persons".
Posted by legaleagle on :
North Star PR (Stunder and Rendall visit site)
North Star PR (Stunder and Rendall visit site) « Thread Started on Today at 8:20am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NSDM update Thursday September 29, 9:00 am ET
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Walter Stunder and Rendal Williams visited the drill site on Phases 4 and 6. The farmers are very co-operative as the prospect of finding diamonds would assist the local economy which has been adversely affected by a near record year of rainfall. John Friesen, of Friesen Drillers, demonstrated the drilling equipment which will be used on the project. Drilling will begin when the geophysical data is processed and drill sites are established. NSDM is also negotiating with other potential joint venture partners.
Attracting joint venture partners is part of NSDM's strategy to add value to its numerous properties while minimizing share dilution to its shareholders. NSDM is actively pursuing additional joint venture property option partners.
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ABOUT NORTH STAR DIAMONDS, INC.
North Star Diamonds, Inc. is a diamond exploration and diamond sales company. The Company holds 117,820 acres of strategically acquired diamond claims mostly in the Southern Manitoba area of Canada. The company market diamonds in Canada and the United States. North Star Diamonds, Inc. has offices in Bellingham, WA and Vancouver, BC. www.northstardiamonds.net
Walter Stunder, President
Disclaimer: This press release contains statements, which may constitute "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Those statements include statements regarding the intent, belief or current expectations of North Star Diamonds Inc., and members of their management as well as the assumptions on which such statements are based. Prospective investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, and that actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by such forward-looking statements. Important factors currently known to management that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in forward-statements include fluctuation of operating results, the ability to compete successfully and the ability to complete before-mentioned transactions. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect changed assumptions, the occurrence of unanticipated events or changes to future operating results. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/to175.html?.v=12 Posted by Ric on :
justice Dr. Of Diamonds
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 204 This is not good news for CMKX/ Bloomberg Article! « Thread Started on Today at 10:48am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is not very encouraging news for CMKX. A small part of Bloombergs Sept. 29 article on diamond mining,
There are hazards for investors, too. Most of Canada's diamond miners are small companies based in Vancouver. Many raised their first cash on the now-defunct Vancouver Stock Exchange, which merged with another regional exchange and ultimately was absorbed by the Toronto Stock Exchange. The Vancouver exchange suffered repeated instances of fraud by companies touting fortunes, often in mining. Canada's biggest mining fraud took place at a company traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange. Bre-X Minerals Ltd. collapsed in 1997 after investors learned that the company's Busang gold discovery in Indonesia, thought to be among the world's largest, was a hoax. The news wiped out $4 billion of value in the Calgary, Alberta-based company and weighed on Canadian mining for years. Sketchy companies persist in the diamond industry. CMKM Diamonds Inc., a Las Vegas-based company looking for diamonds in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, is one of them, Bottom- Fish's Kaiser says. CMKM says it has mineral rights in an area known for kimberlites. Urban Casavant, a former prison guard, started CMKM in 2002. He made his wife, Carolyn, a vice president, and his son Wesley, then 22, corporate treasurer, according to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
Billions of Shares
In July, SEC administrative law judge Brenda Murray revoked CMKM's securities registration for failing to file financial reports, starting with its 2002 annual report. The company claimed an exemption at the time, saying in a July 2003 filing that it had just 300 shareholders, which freed it from the filing requirements. Murray rejected the claim, saying in her ruling that CMKM either knew it had more shareholders or was reckless in not knowing. As of December 2004, CMKM had 778 billion shares outstanding. More than 2 billion CMKM shares traded on some days, Murray wrote. CMKM shares, which trade on so-called pink sheets and not on a major exchange, rose to 2.35 U.S. cents a share in December 2002. They have since fallen to one one-hundredth of a cent. ``They printed paper and sold it,'' Kaiser says. ``As far as I can tell, they found nothing.'' Robert Maheu, a former FBI agent and aide to deceased billionaire recluse Howard Hughes, joined CMKM's board as co- chairman in January. Maheu, now a private investigator based in Las Vegas, declined to comment.
Dog's Balls
CMKM's lawyer, Don Stoecklein, says the company is appealing the SEC's ruling on revoking its stock registration. The agency sought the action while CMKM still had time to catch up on its filings, he says. Friedland, meantime, is drilling for riches in the heart of what has been the most disappointing diamond property in Canadian history: an ore body called Tli Kwi Cho. The name means dog's balls in the local Dogrib language and refers to the way the deposit -- two kimberlites side by side -- looks on images made by airplane-borne magnetometers, devices that measure small differences in Earth's magnetic field. Kimberlites have different magnetic properties than the surrounding granite. Rio Tinto investigated the deposit in the early 1990s and didn't find enough diamonds to make a mine pay off. Friedland says Rio Tinto didn't test the heart of the best kimberlite and missed good concentrations. He's drilling in new spots and has already pulled up a 1.85-carat stone valued at as much as $2,063, which works out to $1,115 a carat compared with an average of $80 to $90 a carat at Diavik.
Posted by Ric on :
A reply to the article. I knew Legal wouldn't repaste this stuff. Its not a theory.
roundtoit God of Diamonds
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 701 Re: This is not good news for CMKX/ Bloomberg Arti « Reply #43 on Today at 12:03pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read andy's responses to a shareholders good questions this morning. As a lot of you say, he is the company's rep. People that want to invest will only find that type of dd info. They do not get involved in kool-aide dd. They will see dirty shell company's(sggm) being affiliated with cmkx and pump and dump schemes. Then when money is taken the shells are discarded like squeezed out dried husks. They will see companies like USCA being run up and then split for no apparent reason. When the money has been taken out, it drops to .30 cents. A scenario that was predicted by Investors Business Daily, last fall, and debated on this board. They will find on boards like this, transcripts from sec hearings show a massive pump and dump scenario involving hundreds of billions of shares. If they dig further, they can also find a company run out of the ceo's house. Office addresses that don't exist. Offices that are not used. No financial statements. No share structure. No exploration reports. Races cars used in the flashy pump and dump. 500mil shares traded daily. pps around .00008. CEO that pleads the 5th. And finally, a company that won't address any of these problems.
That is what an ordinary investor or columnist will see and find. And that is why they write articles like this.
But we know better don't we, or do we?? Remember this, the company has created this situation, not bashers, not hack writers, the company. To me this was always a gamble, still is, And like most of you, I still hope for the best.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Thanks for bringing so much "new material" to the board, Ric. LOL
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Thanks for bringing so much "new material" to the board, Ric. LOL
Yea thanks Ric it's great to see some material that is real Posted by ed19363 on :
Ric, I'll thank you seriously for continuing to post the TRUTH. At any time, the company can address any of these problems. However, they have chosen not to do that. All the signs of a pump and dump scheme. The SEC has done their best to warn new investors, but I'm afraid there are many newcomers who will still get taken advantage of.
The sooner this thing is shut down, the better. IMO, CMKX should not be allowed to trade millions of shares a day without being forced to come up with some explanations. Personally, I'm in favor of a stop of trading until all the truths come out, one way or another. As a matter of fact, I'm astounded that the SEC has NOT stopped trading, given all the negative info that has come out from the trial.
IMHO, of course. Do with it what you choose.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Ed-
I agree... it's sad that people spend so much time doing DD on this company. They're convinced that a consipiracy exists... yet they fail to see that there are NO reasons to trust UC or any of his cohorts. I'll trust Jack Welch and Ed Zander because they deliver results. Why don't they see this?
Oh well, I'm glad to Maheu has been adding value... lol...
Posted by legaleagle on :
"The SEC has done their best to warn new investors, but I'm afraid there are many newcomers who will still get taken advantage of."
I can see that ed, your warm and caring nature has always been evident in your posts. Thanks for caring so much about the "little guy".
Posted by ed19363 on :
santa, there is no DD to be done. All DD turns up now is two-year-old posts, and guesses. If, and that is a huge if, CMKX was on the level, they would come clean. They haven't, so they MUST be considered a scam, IMO
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: "The SEC has done their best to warn new investors, but I'm afraid there are many newcomers who will still get taken advantage of."
I can see that ed, your warm and caring nature has always been evident in your posts. Thanks for caring so much about the "little guy".
legal, I have only one thing to say to you....
BITE ME !!!!!
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: "The SEC has done their best to warn new investors, but I'm afraid there are many newcomers who will still get taken advantage of."
I can see that ed, your warm and caring nature has always been evident in your posts. Thanks for caring so much about the "little guy".
Legal-
This has nothing to do with someone's "warm and caring nature". This is about making money. And when people like Ed or Ric see people like you pumping this stock they (and I) feel obligated to voice their opinions.
I know three very smart people who were suckered into this "chance of a lifetime". They all feel a bit sheepish now, but at least they got out before their investment was worth ZERO. But you and others continue to promote this thing. I bet most of the people that bought into CMKX can't afford to lose everything... and that makes me want to take action.
I may be harsh with my views, but it pisses me off that people like UC swindle money from honest people. I can already hear the clang of the jail cell being closed on UC and his buddies.... now that makes me happy.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Ed-
I'm with you... and have been for 18+ months. I did 30 minutes of DD 18 months ago and this thing stuck then.... its putrid now.
Posted by legaleagle on :
OK, I'll do this one more time. I don't pump this stock. That would mean I am encouraging people to buy it. Quite frankly, I think 50,000+ shareholders is way too many. I don't want anymore people involved. So here it is:
PLEASE DON'T BUY CMKX
Now with that said, what really irritates so many here is that I believe in the stock and post alternatives to the bashing. I believe it is a legal play for the NS issues. And I believe that they have the goods in Sask and in Ecuador. I have many good reasons to believe that the Justice Dept involved itself in this stock for the purpose of identifying, tracking and apprehending some very bad people who were manipulating it and Urban. The arrest and arraignment of Gary Walters is the beginning of a series of indictments and arrests. And his arrest by the LV Director of Homeland Security should speak volumes about who the bad guys are working with. Stay tuned.
The SGGM revocation today is a good and positive thing for CMKX. Look who Haseltine tendered his resignation to. Bruce Harlan of PCBM / SRCI. Follow that trail and you will begin to see the connections between them and the bad guys as well. SGGM has served it's purpose in assisting in tracking funds, shares and players. CMKXers received no dividend of the shares produced for CMKX and I haven't lost anything on the stock. As a matter of fact I played some of the early trading run for a good profit and got out.
But a pumper? NO. An anti-basher? YES The bashers here know no more than the company wants them to hear. And that is very little at the present time, and for good reasons.
As usual, IMO
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ed: "legal, I have only one thing to say to you....
BITE ME !!!!!"
No thanks ed, haven't had my shots for a few years now.
Posted by ed19363 on :
WHY does the company not want its faithful shareholders to know what is going on? That is the main question. Why are they silent? IMO, CMKX and all its JVs are NEXT to be revoked. The only thing I dont understand is what is taking so long to get it done. Is it bashing to ask for confirmed information from the company that holds part of my paycheck in its grasp? I THINK NOT !!!! Prove me wrong, and I mean PROVE, not speculate, and I will shut up forever. Hell, I may even become a pumper, but not with the info that has been coming out the last two years. All I ask is proof that we have not been had. I dont think that's too much for a shareholder to ask.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: OK, I'll do this one more time. I don't pump this stock. That would mean I am encouraging people to buy it. Quite frankly, I think 50,000+ shareholders is way too many. I don't want anymore people involved. So here it is:
PLEASE DON'T BUY CMKX
Now with that said, what really irritates so many here is that I believe in the stock and post alternatives to the bashing. I believe it is a legal play for the NS issues. And I believe that they have the goods in Sask and in Ecuador. I have many good reasons to believe that the Justice Dept involved itself in this stock for the purpose of identifying, tracking and apprehending some very bad people who were manipulating it and Urban. The arrest and arraignment of Gary Walters is the beginning of a series of indictments and arrests. And his arrest by the LV Director of Homeland Security should speak volumes about who the bad guys are working with. Stay tuned.
The SGGM revocation today is a good and positive thing for CMKX. Look who Haseltine tendered his resignation to. Bruce Harlan of PCBM / SRCI. Follow that trail and you will begin to see the connections between them and the bad guys as well. SGGM has served it's purpose in assisting in tracking funds, shares and players. CMKXers received no dividend of the shares produced for CMKX and I haven't lost anything on the stock. As a matter of fact I played some of the early trading run for a good profit and got out.
But a pumper? NO. An anti-basher? YES The bashers here know no more than the company wants them to hear. And that is very little at the present time, and for good reasons.
As usual, IMO
Legal-
Nice post, but I'm not buying it. You say you are not a pumper, but your actions prove otherwise. You are a subtle pumper. You saying that you're not a pumper is like a KKK member saying they're not racist but they don't like black people.
And what does the number of shareholders have to do with anything? The number you should be concerned about is the 703 billion shares that your buddy UC authorized.... and then gave MOUNTAINS to friends and family.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hooray for common sense. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it is most probably a duck.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
One more thing.... the revocation of SGGM today did prove that CMKX is affiliated with dirty people and thus makes they themselves are dirty. I love how you guys portry UC and cohorts as innocent. UC scammed you.... and I think he scammed old man Maheu too.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ed: "WHY does the company not want its faithful shareholders to know what is going on? That is the main question. Why are they silent?"
Ed, the company will be more forthcoming after the indictments are unsealed.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: One more thing.... the revocation of SGGM today did prove that CMKX is affiliated with dirty people and thus makes they themselves are dirty. I love how you guys portry UC and cohorts as innocent. UC scammed you.... and I think he scammed old man Maheu too.
Well if all of the JV's had to sign off on a SEC brokered settlement agreement then you wouldn't expect a "dirty one" to agree would you?
BTW, didn't I see USCA still trading today, a year after their SEC investigation began?
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ed: "WHY does the company not want its faithful shareholders to know what is going on? That is the main question. Why are they silent?"
Ed, the company will be more forthcoming after the indictments are unsealed.
I hope we all live that long....LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
USCA didn't dump billions of shares into the market. USCA did however have to clear up statements made by cmkx & the cmkx cult about finding the goods. a point that seems to be ignored by the cult. in the 10-K right after the USCA halt it states in no uncertain terms no kimberlite has been found in amounts that would justify further exploration. remember USCA has rights to all of CMKX's claims. SGGM however was a dumping machine. they dumped millions of shares on each of those early 2005 prs. much in the same manor that cmkx did in 2004. they didn't hit the billions a day dump but the pps was .02 & billions would have dropped it to .0002 thus giving away the dilution. cmkx was in the billions & had a .0002 pps when the dumping started thus harder to see the dilution.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bill you really must start reading these reports before you "accidentally" mislead those innocent investors who come here seeking your expertise on this stock.
Where exactly in the 10K do you find anything related to USCA's relationship with CMKX pertaining to the report of not having found any viable diamonds? This is a separate and non-related deal, carried out between USCA and Ed Dhonau, owner of Nevada Minerals. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the 1.5 million acres of CMKX.
And in addition, this report only applies to "preliminary" test and sampling. This is now a year old and much more exploration has been done since then.
"On January 20, 2004, the Company acquired from Nevada Minerals, Inc. a 20% interest in the mineral rights to 500,000 acres in Saskatchewan Canada near Fort a La Corne (the "Fort a La Corne Property"). The Company issued 15,000,000 shares of its common stock to Nevada Minerals as consideration for such rights. On July 18, 2004, Nevada Minerals conveyed an additional 20% interest in the mineral rights to the Fort a La Corne Property to the Company for 100,000 Preferred A shares, giving the Company an aggregate 40% of the mineral rights to the Fort a La Corne property. The mineral rights include the right to explore and exploit all minerals discovered in the fort a La Corne property. The Company hopes, based upon certain magnetic imaging technology, that the Fort a La Corne Property contains kimberlites with diamonds. Kimberlites are raw materials in which diamonds are sometimes found. The Company has conducted preliminary drilling and obtained core samples that are presently being examined in a geological laboratory. So far none of these samples has kimberlites in commercially viable quantities and there can be no assurance that any kimberlite with commercially viable quantities of diamonds will ever be found on the Fort a La Corne Property."
Posted by Ric on :
Two down two to go
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: SGGM REVOKED:
Legal yes they are revoked but under appeal. SGGM is not got a final order either. They have 21 days just like cmkx did to file a appeal.
This is similar to going to trial and getting convicted of a crime but released on bail while waiting on a appeal. Even though a jury convicted you, you are released while appealing the verdict and if the ruling is overturned then the conviction is over turned. Same hear, if the commision overturns the revocation then no final order is issued.
ORDER Based on the findings and conclusions set forth above:
IT IS ORDERED THAT, pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registration of each class of securities of CMKM Diamonds, Inc., is hereby REVOKED.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LLLL = Legal's La La Land
Posted by Ric on :
From the above link. It just amazes me why the cult don't understand why UC really took the fifth. Where did a security guard get millions of dollars to loan CMKX. Just like the question of where did the 200 billion of sggm shares go to? CMKX sold billions of shares yet is 36 million in debt with no operating expense yet UC has millions to loan the company? Makes you say hum.
Almost forgot about the missing documents about what happened to the Jade collection and where the 56 million went too.
The draft ledger for 2003 reflects that deposits were made into CMKM Diamonds's bank account. (Tr. 193-96.) These deposits were not revenues earned by the company; instead, they were loans from Casavant. (Tr. 194-96.) The draft ledger for 2003 reflects no revenues because the company was not engaged in any revenue-producing activities. (Tr. 193-96; Div. Ex. 58.) Similarly, the draft ledger for 2004 reflects no business operations and no revenues or income.10 (Tr. 196-97; Div. Ex. 58.) CMKM Diamonds had an accumulated deficit of more than $36 million as of December 31, 2004. (Tr. 197-203.) Posted by Ric on :
I don't like calling someone a moron but if the shoe fits:
wamcmkx Diamondologist Today at 5:25pm
If the rumor is true that cmkx has sold some of its claims, then sggm gets 5% of the action. That is where sggm would get the money for a cash div. I tried to buy sggm today *.003 after the news but couldn't get it done. Will try tomorrow *.005 and see what happens.
I refuse to believe that 5% of cmkx claims a FALC are worthless and I will put money into sggm to back it up.
wamcmkx
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
That person has been hit by a "whammy"!
PS: Typical cult member.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Nite folks!
Posted by Ric on :
G'nite
Posted by bill1352 on :
"So far none of these samples has kimberlites in commercially viable quantities and there can be no assurance that any kimberlite with commercially viable quantities of diamonds will ever be found on the Fort a La Corne Property."
ya think that qualifies as no commercially viable kimberlite???? of course now that properity is out of the cmkx family as nevada minerals told UC he could have his shares back for $2 million....$2 million UC has yet to pay as far as we know. as for money lent to USCA to pay for the cmkx deal by UC...wanna bet thats where SGGM got the $10 million from too??? as wallace pointed out yesterday & i pointed out a few months ago its called money laundering. the idea of money laundering is to trade dirty cash for nothing but smoke & mirrors & get clean money back....lets see 5% of cmkx's claims...if there is no more cmkx thats 5% of nothing....200 billion shares....in early 2005 on every one of those great looking sggm prs millions of shares were dumped into the o/s...i wonder how many were UC's, thats called interest. as for who started all this scammin...note the article stating how UC's brother is a know securities scammer & on the board at the start. i'd say its a family tradition.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Is CMKX revoked? Link please
Legal, your slip is showing. Have you been unconscious since April? Remember the trial? Remember the judge's decision?
Wow, talk about a thick skull !!!! He probably doesnt believe what he sees in the mirror in the morning.....sheesh...
Posted by santacruzblur on :
How many times have we asked legal to comment on the number of OS? How many times has he responded to this question? ZERO. Talk about not seeing the handwriting on the wall....
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Wow.... they removed my last post.... bummer.
Here goes a revised version:
Shhh.... can you hear it? That the sound of legal not know his "something-something" from his elbow.
Posted by stockster5 on :
and here is more stuff sggm & cmkx, the copy format got messed up , sorry
INITIAL DECISION RELEASE NO. 298 ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING FILE NO. 3-11971 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Before the SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Washington, DC ___________________________________ In the Matter of : : : INITIAL DECISION ST. GEORGE METALS, INC. : September 29, 2005 : ___________________________________ APPEARANCES: Leslie A. Hakala and Gregory C. Glynn for the Division of Enforcement, Securities and Exchange Commission St. George Metals, Inc., pro se BEFORE: Robert G. Mahony, Administrative Law Judge PROCEDURAL HISTORY The Securities and Exchange Commission (Commission or SEC) issued its Order Instituting Proceedings (OIP) on July 1, 2005, pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (Exchange Act). The OIP alleges that the common stock of St. George Metals, Inc. (St. George Metals), is registered with the Commission pursuant to Section 12(g) of the Exchange Act. The OIP further alleges that, since registering its stock, St. George Metals has not filed an annual report on Form 10-K or 10-KSB since April 26, 2002, or a quarterly report on Form 10-Q or 10-QSB since November 14, 2002. As a result, the OIP alleges that St. George Metals has failed to comply with Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and Rules 13a-1 and 13a-13 thereunder. St. George Metals filed an Answer to the OIP. At a prehearing conference held on July 28, 2005, I granted the Division of Enforcement (Division) leave to file a motion for summary disposition. See 17 C.F.R. § 201.250. The Division filed its motion for summary disposition with supporting declaration and exhibits on August 30, 2005. St. George Metals failed to file a 2 response, due by September 16, 2005, and the Division filed a concluding brief on September 21, 2005.1 STANDARDS FOR SUMMARY DISPOSITION Rule 250(a) of the Commission’s Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.250(a), provides that after a respondent has filed an answer and documents have been made available to that respondent for inspection and copying, a party may make a motion for summary disposition of any or all allegations of the OIP with respect to that respondent. The facts of the pleadings of the party against whom the motion is made shall be taken as true, except as modified by stipulations or admissions made by that party, by uncontested affidavits, or by facts officially noted pursuant to Rule 323 of the Commission’s Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.323. Rule 250(b) of the Commission’s Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.250(b), requires the administrative law judge promptly to grant or deny the motion, or to defer decision on the motion. The administrative law judge may grant the motion for summary disposition if there is no genuine issue with regard to any material fact and if the party making the motion is entitled to summary disposition as a matter of law.
St. George Metals does not dispute that it has failed to file required annual reports since April 26, 2002, and required quarterly reports since November 14, 2002. (Answer at 1.) St. George Metals asserts that it has been “dormant for the past two years, and has neither conducted any business nor had access to any capital,” which resulted in it not being able to file periodic reports on a timely basis. (Answer at 1.) In September 2004, St. George Metals announced that it had reached an agreement with CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKM), in which St. George Metals would purchase five percent of CMKM’s mineral claims for $10 million and 200 billion restricted shares of St. George Metals’s stock.2 (Div. Ex. 8.) On September 28, 2004, St. George Metals announced that it had completed the $10 million payment to CMKM. (Div. Ex. 9.)
ORDER Based on the findings and conclusions set forth above: IT IS ORDERED that the Division of Enforcement’s Motion for Summary Disposition is GRANTED; and IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registration of each class of securities of St. George Metals, Inc., is hereby REVOKED. This Initial Decision shall become effective in accordance with and subject to the provisions of Rule 360 of the Commission’s Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.360. Pursuant to that Rule, a party may file a petition for review of this Initial Decision within twenty-one days after service of the Initial Decision. A party may also file a motion to correct a manifest error of fact within ten days of the Initial Decision, pursuant to Rule 111 of the Commission’s Rules of Practice, 17 C.F.R. § 201.111. If a motion to correct a manifest error of fact is filed by a party, 6 then that party shall have twenty-one days to file a petition for review from the date of the undersigned’s order resolving such motion to correct a manifest error of fact. The Initial Decision will not become final until the Commission enters an order of finality. The Commission will enter an order of finality unless a party files a petition for review or a motion to correct a manifest error of fact or the Commission determines on its own initiative to review the Initial Decision as to a party. If any of these events occur, the Initial Decision shall not become final as to that party. ____________________________ Robert G. Mahony Administrative Law Judge
2 The registration of CMKM’s stock was revoked for failing to file periodic reports on July 12, 2005. CMKM Diamonds, Inc., Initial Decision Release No. 291 (July 12, 2005). The Commission has yet to decide CMKM’s appeal of that decision.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I was trying to find out why sggm dropped to .0001 and found the above.... S5
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: I don't like calling someone a moron but if the shoe fits:
wamcmkx Diamondologist Today at 5:25pm
If the rumor is true that cmkx has sold some of its claims, then sggm gets 5% of the action. That is where sggm would get the money for a cash div. I tried to buy sggm today *.003 after the news but couldn't get it done. Will try tomorrow *.005 and see what happens.
I refuse to believe that 5% of cmkx claims a FALC are worthless and I will put money into sggm to back it up.
wamcmkx
SGGM now at .0001. That should make this guy real happy. He's probably going to buy a pants load of them.
Posted by stockster5 on :
not anytime soon ...sggm ask a moment ago (12:30) was .005. or was ... I just found info on SEC about sggm short time ago today...
s5
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill: "wanna bet thats where SGGM got the $10 million from too???"
Actually if I were a betting man, I would bet on the $10 million coming from the PCBM / SRCI folks. Re: an old stock swap deal with UC that few know about. That's why Haseltine submitted his resignation to Bruce Harlan of PCBM / SRCI. You really have to look deeply to find the connections with this company if you want to understand what is going on.
If the SGGM revocation sticks, it becomes a private company, like CIM. If UC then decides to distribute the 200 billion SGGM as a dividend to CMKX shareholders, where will shorty get the shares to cover?
Posted by Ric on :
Does this look familar
Posted by Marty on :
LOL!!!! The funniest chit I've seen all day....thanks Ric, I needed a good laugh
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Does this look familar
Posted by Ric on :
You got that right. The connections are obvious. Scams that stick together get revoked together. lol
What is sad though about this is the people that actually believe they will recieve rewards from a scam revoked company. Cmkx figured a way to caught shorty when no other company could. Caught what a cold. lol This is really getting funnier. Looks like Lee Web got his last article right.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: bill: "wanna bet thats where SGGM got the $10 million from too???"
Actually if I were a betting man, I would bet on the $10 million coming from the PCBM / SRCI folks. Re: an old stock swap deal with UC that few know about. That's why Haseltine submitted his resignation to Bruce Harlan of PCBM / SRCI. You really have to look deeply to find the connections with this company if you want to understand what is going on.
If the SGGM revocation sticks, it becomes a private company, like CIM. If UC then decides to distribute the 200 billion SGGM as a dividend to CMKX shareholders, where will shorty get the shares to cover?
Posted by Ric on :
2005-09-30 18:33 ET - Street Wire
Also Street Wire (U-*SEC) U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Also Street Wire (U-CMKX) CMKM Diamonds Inc
by Lee M. Webb
St. George Metals Inc., a pink sheet shell revived last year in support of U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) target Urban Casavant's CMKM Diamonds Inc. promotion, may soon be put to rest again. Administrative Law Judge Robert G. Mahony ordered St. George's stock registration revoked in an initial decision issued on Sept. 29.
As previously reported by Stockwatch, Nevada-incorporated St. George was dusted off last September, reportedly inking a multimillion-dollar deal with Mr. Casavant's massively diluted CMKM.
According to news releases issued by the non-reporting pink sheet companies, resuscitated St. George peeled off $10-million and 200 billion shares for a 5-per-cent stake in mineral claims, primarily located in Saskatchewan, purportedly controlled by CMKM. (All amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
Fantasy
News of the deal sent CMKM's large and excitable Internet following into a tizzy as they quickly worked obscure St. George into their wild fantasies about a secret "master plan" destined to transform Mr. Casavant's floundering pink sheet promotion into the most valuable mining conglomerate in the world.
The news also propelled St. George's share price from its rarely traded subpenny level to 75 cents per share as investors, including many of CMKM's faithful followers, piled into the stock as millions of shares changed hands in the days following the announcement.
St. George's rocketing share price was also worked into the CMKM fantasies as the company's faithful, if naive, Internet followers "did the math." Brooking no criticism, many of CMKM's cult-like followers assigned a staggering value based on the prevailing inflated market price to the 200 billion St. George shares purportedly issued in the deal.
According to the dubious logic of the CMKM fantasists, if a mere 5-per-cent stake in CMKM's mining claims was worth more than $100-billion, then their nascent mining giant was clearly worth $2-trillion or more. For many of the CMKM faithful, the St. George transaction merely confirmed what they had already determined by other, if equally dubious, means.
Many of CMKM's faithful followers, the "true longs," as they often call themselves, were evidently largely untroubled when Stockwatch reported on Sept. 16, 2004, that recently revived St. George was headquartered in the unlikely community of Vegreville, Alta.
They were apparently also unconcerned that Mr. Casavant reportedly told Dow Jones reporter Carol Remond that he really knew nothing at all about St. George.
As reported by Stockwatch, however, Mr. Casavant's brother Victor Casavant, a CMKM shareholder and former securities violator, lived in the small town of Vegreville. Moreover, Vicki Curran, another CMKM shareholder and Mr. Casavant's niece also lived in Vegreville and was St. George's investor relations spokesperson.
CMKM's devoted followers seemed equally untroubled when promised news releases that were supposed to identify St. George's board of directors and the source of the $10-million, among other things, failed to materialize. It is still far from clear whether any of that money actually changed hands.
As St. George remained silent and its share price went into a slide, CMKM's faithful followers moved on to other fantasies about massive diamond discoveries, gold deposits, uranium finds, oil rights and astronomical buyouts, among other things.
CMKM's cult-like followers, the so-called true longs, barely missed a beat when the SEC instituted administrative proceedings seeking to revoke the company's stock registration in March of this year.
Indeed, the SEC action was soon incorporated into new CMKM fantasies about painting the U.S. regulator into a corner, trapping nasty short sellers and forcing a staggering cash settlement from the conspirators on "the dark side," which included the SEC, the Depository Trust and Clearing Corp., hedge funds, market makers and others, according to the CMKM faithful.
Meanwhile, St. George finally stirred again.
On April 25, St. George announced that the board of directors, still unidentified, had appointed U.S. lawyer William B. Haseltine to the position of president, replacing another Vegreville player, Mark Giebelhaus.
The appointment of pink sheet experienced Mr. Haseltine, who boasted some SEC experience, was yet more fodder for some of the CMKM fantasists. They worked Mr. Haseltine, a touted securities lawyer with no obvious mining background, into secret master plan designed to trap short sellers.
While some of CMKM's devoted followers stitched St. George's new president into their patchwork and fluid imaginings, Mr. Haseltine issued a series of fluffy news releases about proposed multimillion-dollar deals involving other obscure mining properties.
Reality
On July 1, less than two weeks before issuing an initial decision ordering CMKM's stock registration revoked, the U.S. regulator instituted an administrative proceeding against St. George for failing to file required periodic reports.
The action against St. George was instituted after the SEC enforcement division contacted Mr. Haseltine and was informed that he was the company's only officer and director and, among other things, he knew nothing about the purported $10-million transaction with CMKM.
Mr. Haseltine, who also served as St. George's legal counsel, subsequently filed a very brief answer to the SEC order instituting administrative proceedings against the company.
In his one-page answer, Mr. Haseltine claimed that St. George had been dormant for the past two years and had neither conducted any business nor had any access to capital. He also said that the company was taking steps to pay its accountants to prepare the overdue SEC reports and expected to become current with its reporting obligations within two weeks.
St. George did not become current with its filings. Indeed, the company made no progress at all with respect to meeting its reporting obligations.
At a subsequent prehearing conference before Judge Mahony, the SEC was granted leave to file a motion for summary disposition of the case.
On Aug. 25, four days before the SEC filed its motion for summary revocation of St. George's stock registration, Mr. Haseltine pulled the plug, resigning his position as the company's lawyer and president.
St. George did not file an opposition brief to the SEC's Aug. 29 motion for summary disposition of the administrative proceeding.
On Sept. 29, Judge Mahony issued his initial decision ordering the revocation of St. George's stock registration.
"St. George Metals's actions were egregious and recurrent," Judge Mahony wrote in part. "St. George does not recognize the wrongfulness of its conduct and has acted with a high degree of scienter.
"For nearly a three-year period, it failed to file a total of 11 required periodic reports.
"Despite its claim that it was dormant and without access to capital the past two years, St. George Metals, starting in late 2004, issued press releases touting purported multimillion dollar deals it had entered, or planned to enter, all while it was out of compliance with the periodic reporting requirements.
"Thus, instead of current audited information, the investing public was forced to rely on self-serving statements."
Reviewing the Steadman factors, a guide to determining the appropriate sanction, Judge Mahony went on to conclude that there was a high probability that St. George would continue to violate the reporting requirements of federal securities laws.
"Viewing the Steadman factors in their entirety, I conclude that the only appropriate sanction for the protection of investors is revocation of the registration of each class of St. George Metals's securities," Judge Mahony wrote.
Barring the filing of a petition for review by lawyerless and headless St. George within 21 days, Judge Mahony's initial decision will become final with the entry of an SEC order of finality.
St. George may soon be permanently put to rest.
Meanwhile, CMKM's revocation order is under appeal and the fantasies and trading continue.
St. George managed to eke out a paltry trading volume of 35,300 shares and closed at one-100th of a penny in the final session of the week.
CMKM notched a far more robust volume of more than 1.6 billion shares and, as it has done for the past many months, also closed at a reported one-100th of a penny on Sept. 30, which may be high because NASD grey-sheet reporting only to four decimal places.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"note the article stating how UC's brother is a know securities scammer & on the board at the start."
NOTE: I pointed that out months ago before I stopped doing any more DD on CMKX, UC and cohorts.
Posted by will on :
It's all part of the sting operation. When all is revealed CMKX, SGGM, USCA, and whatever other pos companies that are/were tied to this abortion will be trading in the 100's of dollars. I'm sorry I sold my CMKX. (In a pig'a ass!!!)
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wherever you are comfortable Will.
Posted by will on :
I think you would be more comfortable in a straight jacket, confined to a high security Indiana nut house.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wherever you are comfortable Will.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wherever you are comfortable Will.
will,
LMAO! You must admit it was funny as hell.
"(In a pig'a ass!!!)"
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm thinking Will would plead the 5th on that comment.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Dr D breaks his silence.
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Dr.D and Ron Casavant
Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,118 Location: Kentucky JMHO - We've got off track « Thread Started on Today at 1:17am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I must admit I have been a way from the boards for some time and things really seem to have changed. It’s amazing how many faithful have departed the ranks leaving the boards and possibly CMKX and some have crossed over and began to bash. I guess the long silent period along with information that has been gathered by others without company explanation is kind of wearing on all involved. None of us expected there would be such a long silent period with so much going on. I would only say that in my years of experience there is always more to the numbers and reports that are recorded than meets the eye. Everything with CMKX, including the reports and documents that are being circulated, has more to them than meets the eye.
Many have wondered where I have been. I have been busy working with the Katrina situation and many other things as well, but I want to take this opportunity to say “thank you” to everyone that has contributed or given of their selves to assist the victims of this catastrophic event. We are all feeling the effects of Katrina’s impact and unfortunately it will continue to affect us for a few years to come.
I am writing this because I was recently asked an interesting question by certain individuals that are, let’s say, very close to the CMKX situation. First off, I found it strange that I would be contacted and queried since I had chosen to draw away from the boards and Pal Talk. The question was multi faceted and this is a generalized version of that question: what, in my opinion, would be a favorable move for management to take to remedy the NSS, give the MM’s an alternative, serve the best interests of the shareholders {legit and NSS}, raise the PPS to an acceptable level to apply to an exchange, generate revenue for the company to further develop the assets, establish a time line for covering and completion, etc… This didn't sound like a question from individuals trying to run away or hide, IMHO.
I will not disclose what my answer was in case a decision is made to go along with any of my suggestions. I hesitate to share along these lines and I will try to be brief as possible as I am sure some may remember I can get a little long worded at times.
I will begin by saying that although I have been away from the boards I have not been out of the communication loop that I have enjoyed all along. I have never said all I knew, but only all I could and now is no different. Remember that these are only my opinions and I do ask that you treat them as such.
The main thought on my mind is that there is a remedy at hand and hopefully Mr. Casavant and Mr. Maheu with the assistance of Mr. Stoecklein will be or has been able to achieve complete success. My thanks to Mr. Maheu and his involvement with CMKX as we will all eventually, IMHO, owe him considerably for his efforts. Beyond the current 40,000 dollars a month he is receiving.
I am hopeful that Mr. Casavant has been successful in his discussions of late with certain entities, and I believe he has been. Many have no idea what the “PLAN” is, but I believe the generalities of it has been obvious for some time, it is just a matter of whether they are able to pull it off or not. From the beginning of CMKX’s regulatory woes, Mr. Maheu and Mr. Casavant have stated that they were not going to let the regulatory issues divert their attention away from their primary goals of claiming new lands, strategic drilling activities, and developing the assets currently in our possession. Some have played Mr. Maheu off as a “name” CMKX is using and nothing more. They could not be further from the truth, but only time will reveal it.
The regulatory woes have been the breaking point for most CMKXers with others falling victim to newly discovered documents, reports, and individual’s interpretation of what they all mean. Some have apparently even decided to pursue possible legal actions against the company as though this will some how fix things to some degree or allow some to salvage what they can before it’s too late. I will simply state my position that litigation against the company is and should be out of the question and is not the solution.
Whether anyone still acknowledges it or not we have a huge NSS position being held by the market on CMKX and I believe the temporary solution for many could come by continuing to press that issue. It seems strange that when we are on the verge of proving a NSS position and bringing the market to task to resolve the outstanding NSS position that documents begin to surface trying to shine a negative light on the management of CMKX. What mainly did this accomplish? It took the forward pressure that CMKXers and the OG had made up to that time pertaining to the demand for the resolution and exposure of the NSS issues of CMKX by the SEC and the SRO’s on a detour that caused many to end up on the wrong side of the tracks and asking for the companies head on a platter.
The NSS resolution is still a plus for all of us if we will see it through. Asset wise, we just recently had the reports by United Carina about our percentages in UCA, we have the American Mine Shaft, plus the other mineral rights that we reportedly have secured in Saskatchewan. Aside from all of that there is more. First I think we have to get over the issues about what the company did, who did it, how they did it, and why they did it, because it is holding us back from executing a temporary solution for generating value for us. I personally don’t care “at this point” if there is 703 billion shares outstanding, nor that they apparently were sold into the market place either directly or indirectly by CMKX or by a third party with restrictions removed. Yes it sucks. On the surface this could qualify CMKX as being a pump and dump, but where is the fatal “reverse split” of 10,000 to 1 or even a 1,000 to one? It isn’t there. Why wouldn’t they just go away as a failed mineral exploration company? It happens almost every day. Don’t think that 50,000 shareholders are keeping them from going away, not now.
I determined that I can’t change what has been sold into the market, or why it was sold into the market, or who sold it into the market and neither can anyone else. One thing that selling did for us, was that it convinced the MM’s that CMKX was a pump and dump and they naked shorted the fire out of it, “To Da Moon”. My professional friends have assured me that the NSS position on CMKX is between 2.2 trillion and 3.7 trillion shares.
Secondly, if we had no other assets, and I fully believe we do, the pressure that has been generated by the company issuing the share dividends from USCA, GEMM, and CIM, along with work by the OG has locked us into the driver’s seat to FORCE the market to cover and generate a high level PPS whether regulators help us or not. This is why it is not good that we have been side tracked by all of the documents and accusations over he did, she did, they did, OH MY. It may appear to be helpful or great DD, but I think at this point it is only distracting us from achieving our immediate goals of generating shareholder value.
I think the company is for real, in spite of performance, delays, blunders, and much more… and I intend to be around for the resolutions of the NSS, acquisitions, and asset developments of the future.
I believe the facts remain that if the company never had a single asset and if the company never did another thing productive, we could still help ourselves because many of us own shares that can’t be legally supplied by the market system because they are Naked Short. Pursuing the resolution of the NSS position is the most direct way for us to help ourselves and this is definitely one thing the company seemed eager to cooperate with us to accomplish. I think we need to get back on track and let the company work to resolve the regulatory issues if it can, continue to develop old assets and claim new ones while we put pressure on the market place in a united effort to win this thing once and for all. The whining has to stop.
I have said it before and I will say it again, if the regulatory issues end in a revocation, it is not over for us by any means. I think we need to regroup pick up the momentum that we had on the NSS resolution and run with it. I believe it is a win, win situation.
These are just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
My thanks to all of you that are helping out on the boards especially those that are trying to keep CMKXers dreams alive. We have great potential if we will only allow ourselves to realize it.
Be well.
Dr.D
Posted by ed19363 on :
More regurgitated Koolaid.
Posted by will on :
Dr. D needs to be made comfortable in an instution too.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Interesting how a few in here seem to be the only sane people associated with CMKX. But I guess a day of reckoning is on it's way.
Posted by Ric on :
Maybe the few in here legal but there are plenty on the other boards and growing everyday.
But thats not even it. Don't you realize that this is a joke to everyone else that doesn't come in here. Go to the main threat and do a poll on what the board thinks of CMKX. Ask them what the biggest scam of all time is and I would bet it would be a close run between CMKX and AFRT.
Most know its dead and just don't say anything. There are thousands of investor that come to this board everyday and the way it's laid out they all can come in here if they want. Its not like the other boards were you have to seek out CMKX. The reason they don't come in is because they know this is a scam and don't care.
Only reason we are here is for the friends not the stock. Of course I would apologize if I was wrong but I don't say these things because I am wrong. If I was even a little unsure this wasn't a scam, I wouldn't say a thing.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Good point Ric. You know perhaps hundreds just read with no comment, but can get informed one way or another. That's what I like about this forum and site. What's really great is that we are free to believe what we want as well. What's (wait, am I using 's correctly here?) cool also is that a complete newbie to cmkx can maybe pick up cmkx at .0001 and if the some nutso MM decides to shake things for a half a day, the newb can sell the pos if it goes .0002 without knowing a frickin' thing about the whole sordid details. Because you know this thing will be shifting shares for years to come. Ahh, America, you gotta love it.! S5
Posted by derek111c on :
Well said
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: WHY does the company not want its faithful shareholders to know what is going on? That is the main question. Why are they silent? IMO, CMKX and all its JVs are NEXT to be revoked. The only thing I dont understand is what is taking so long to get it done. Is it bashing to ask for confirmed information from the company that holds part of my paycheck in its grasp? I THINK NOT !!!! Prove me wrong, and I mean PROVE, not speculate, and I will shut up forever. Hell, I may even become a pumper, but not with the info that has been coming out the last two years. All I ask is proof that we have not been had. I dont think that's too much for a shareholder to ask.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Dr. Dipschit/Dr.Dementia rears his ugly head again....and along with Ron Casavant!!! Now there's one hell of a lot of credibility!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace, don't make him come back in here. LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Why not? All he ever does is make a fool of himself. We have fools on this thread already with certain CMKX cult regulars and the occasional CMKX cult mouthpieces. One more CMKX cult dummy won't matter.
Posted by legaleagle on :
That sounds like fear I hear in your typing.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: That sounds like fear I hear in your typing.
Legal bring that windbag on Posted by stockster5 on :
UC will probably skip to South America and start a seminar infocommercial on how to sell 700 billion non existing issues of a vaporware company and walk away rich. I can just see it now on the spanish channel.
Posted by stockster5 on :
or peruvian channel .. or whatever language channel is there !!
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: or peruvian channel .. or whatever language channel is there !!
Well we know that going back to Canada is not even an option,could be lots of trouble for him there. The water is getting very hot for him here in the US so I bet you are right SA here he comes. Posted by Ric on :
Don't you just love it how some of these people put important titles in front of their name or on the boards. Dr., God, and so fourth yet most of them were lucky to finish high school let alone get a doctorate degree. They try to make themselves look more important then their lonely life allows so they have to post bullchit lies on the boards to get the gratification they can't get at home. I wish the shareholders would sue these pumpers for the trash they put out brainwashing the masses into believing their lies and theories.
Most with the title Dr. would be highly upset seeing their title abused. Because they worked hard to get it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: That sounds like fear I hear in your typing.
Sure, legal, sure! Dr.Dimwit frightens me.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have felt like it really isn't worth posting anymore as we have said enough and the back and forth was really getting boring. From a year ago, at least since Roger came on board, I have posted relentlessly that we have the leverage it takes to succeed, and we did then and we still do. Really how easy was it to see the land and the short back when the CIM divvy was handed out.
This stock is as close to a sure thing as you get in the market. If we get cover we make money, well we will get covered.
The absolute going against common sense has been a result of the artificial doubt created by the hearing (by the way we started) and continues with the posting that goes directly against what some know to be true. One more contrived post about surrendered shares or one more post about how Frizzell isn't really convinced we have the goods was getting crazy. Frizzell and John know we have the goods and the short and that means we are going to make money.
Some have gotten caught up in the game, but if you just step back look at the facts and the people involved you common sense says this looks better than good.
Urban's happy in china, Dr. D sounds happy, Frizz and John say we have the goods and the short, Maheu and Glenn still here, dividends becoming unresticted, USCA's president along with Glenn, Edwards giving shares back, looked all along like we worked with the sec, NASD investigating and taking over the OTC, the SEC's 11 departures, Mahues son and all their connections, CSII, oil, uranium, etc, etc. Too easy if you ask me.
This was the stock play of a lifetime a year ago or more for some, it is finally coming to fruition now. I got a lot of flack for posting how easy this was, well I think I was right. Not easy if you fell for all the BS, but easy if you saw through it.
Posted by will on :
Boy! that guy is just jam packed with facts and really backs up his "this is so easy theory". Just another pos nutcase. They're gonna have to build new nut houses to accommodate all these crazy CMKX fanatics.
Posted by Ric on :
Dividends are becoming unrestricted? I thought under rule 144 that the company has to be current in its reporting before the restriction can be lifted and the last I heard they were not. But even if you could, who could afford to transfer their divy's anyway. Also the company doesn't have to unrestrict it. If they feel CMKX is a loss because of the SEC actions and they will not benefit from the deal then why would they hurt their shareholders by unrestricting and diluting their float.
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What Are the Conditions of Rule 144?
If you want to sell your restricted or control securities to the public, you can follow the conditions set forth in Rule 144. The rule is not the exclusive means for selling restricted or control securities, but provides a "safe harbor" exemption to sellers. The rule's five conditions are summarized below:
1. Holding Period. Before you may sell restricted securities in the marketplace, you must hold them for at least one year. The one-year period holding period begins when the securities were bought and fully paid for. The holding period only applies to restricted securities. Because securities acquired in the public market are not restricted, there is no holding period for an affiliate who purchases securities of the issuer in the marketplace. But an affiliate's resale is subject to the other conditions of the rule.
Additional securities purchased from the issuer do not affect the holding period of previously purchased securities of the same class. If you purchased restricted securities from another non-affiliate, you can tack on that non-affiliate's holding period to your holding period. For gifts made by an affiliate, the holding period begins when the affiliate acquired the securities and not on the date of the gift. In the case of a stock option, such as one an employee receives, the holding period always begins as of the date the option is exercised and not the date it is granted.
2. Adequate Current Information. There must be adequate current information about the issuer of the securities before the sale can be made. This generally means the issuer has complied with the periodic reporting requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
3. Trading Volume Formula. After the one-year holding period, the number of shares you may sell during any three-month period can't exceed the greater of 1% of the outstanding shares of the same class being sold, or if the class is listed on a stock exchange or quoted on Nasdaq, the greater of 1% or the average reported weekly trading volume during the four weeks preceding the filing a notice of the sale on Form 144. Over-the-counter stocks, including those quoted on the OTC Bulletin Board and the Pink Sheets, can only be sold using the 1% measurement.
4. Ordinary Brokerage Transactions. The sales must be handled in all respects as routine trading transactions, and brokers may not receive more than a normal commission. Neither the seller nor the broker can solicit orders to buy the securities.
5. Filing Notice With the SEC. At the time you place your order, you must file a notice with the SEC on Form 144 if the sale involves more than 500 shares or the aggregate dollar amount is greater than $10,000 in any three-month period. The sale must take place within three months of filing the Form and, if the securities have not been sold, you must file an amended notice.
If you are not an affiliate of the issuer and have held restricted securities for two years, you can sell them without regard to the above conditions.
Can the Securities Be Sold Publicly If the Conditions of Rule 144 Have Been Met?
Even if you have met the conditions of Rule 144, you can't sell your restricted securities to the public until you've gotten the legend removed from the certificate. Only a transfer agent can remove a restrictive legend. But the transfer agent won't remove the legend unless you've obtained the consent of the issuer—usually in the form of an opinion letter from the issuer's counsel—that the restricted legend can be removed. Unless this happens, the transfer agent doesn't have the authority to remove the legend and execute the trade in the marketplace.
To begin the process, an investor should contact the company that issued the securities, or the transfer agent of the company's securities, to ask about the procedures for removing a legend. Since removing the legend can be a complicated process, if you're considering buying or selling a restricted security, it would be wise for you to consult an attorney who specializes in securities law.
[ October 02, 2005, 13:42: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Ric on :
Now on the short. It still boggles my mind how Frizzy thinks he proved NSS. He still assumes that he has a random sample and even most cult member know that the ones with the most to lose probably sent in their share counts first and those that hold a million or 2 probably didn't bother. All frizzy proved is that out of 11,557 people that faxed their statements in, that they held 482 billion shares.
And there was even a problem with that, from one of the letters he sent out it proved that the shareholders that sent the information in wasn't from the same date. So who knows if someone sold and the buyer faxed in his total. So the 482 billion isn't totally known for sure.
Now if the remaining holders only average 4 million shares then thats only 200 billion and that gives a few billion to spare.
My point is there may be some short shares but by no means has Frizzell proven as fact anything at least that can hold up in any court. All he has proven is 482 billion shares probably held by the biggest shareholders.
Posted by Ric on :
They want to point out relatives but forget to mention UC's brother involved in securities violations and that Nevada Minerals gave back there shares because they didn't want nothing to do with them.
They forget about a accountant that wrote a 10A letter on possible illegal accounting. They forget to mention that some of the biggest money changes in the books are missing. They forget to mention how UC is loaning money to CMKX yet they sold billions of shares. Who was getting the money from those sells, it sounds like UC. Millionaire prison guard, yeah right. Missing documents on what happened to the Jade collection or the money from it. What happened to 200 billion in SGGM shares and the 10 million dollars? They forget that RG only gave them a one page document and supposedly forgot to tell Stoecklien about SEC information yet they claim now he still with CMKX. Huh??? They forget that Maheu knew absolutely nothing about CMKX. What they have, number of employees, or it's value. He knew nothing about the accountant not getting any information but they claim Maheu is fixing the problem. Huh???
What happened to common sense here? I guess that I have to be brainwashed to understand what it is like to be brainwashed.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: 2005-09-30 18:33 ET - Street Wire
Also Street Wire (U-*SEC) U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Also Street Wire (U-CMKX) CMKM Diamonds Inc
by Lee M. Webb
St. George Metals Inc., a pink sheet shell revived last year in support of U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) target Urban Casavant's CMKM Diamonds Inc. promotion, may soon be put to rest again. Administrative Law Judge Robert G. Mahony ordered St. George's stock registration revoked in an initial decision issued on Sept. 29.
As previously reported by Stockwatch, Nevada-incorporated St. George was dusted off last September, reportedly inking a multimillion-dollar deal with Mr. Casavant's massively diluted CMKM.
According to news releases issued by the non-reporting pink sheet companies, resuscitated St. George peeled off $10-million and 200 billion shares for a 5-per-cent stake in mineral claims, primarily located in Saskatchewan, purportedly controlled by CMKM. (All amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
Fantasy
News of the deal sent CMKM's large and excitable Internet following into a tizzy as they quickly worked obscure St. George into their wild fantasies about a secret "master plan" destined to transform Mr. Casavant's floundering pink sheet promotion into the most valuable mining conglomerate in the world.
The news also propelled St. George's share price from its rarely traded subpenny level to 75 cents per share as investors, including many of CMKM's faithful followers, piled into the stock as millions of shares changed hands in the days following the announcement.
St. George's rocketing share price was also worked into the CMKM fantasies as the company's faithful, if naive, Internet followers "did the math." Brooking no criticism, many of CMKM's cult-like followers assigned a staggering value based on the prevailing inflated market price to the 200 billion St. George shares purportedly issued in the deal.
According to the dubious logic of the CMKM fantasists, if a mere 5-per-cent stake in CMKM's mining claims was worth more than $100-billion, then their nascent mining giant was clearly worth $2-trillion or more. For many of the CMKM faithful, the St. George transaction merely confirmed what they had already determined by other, if equally dubious, means.
Many of CMKM's faithful followers, the "true longs," as they often call themselves, were evidently largely untroubled when Stockwatch reported on Sept. 16, 2004, that recently revived St. George was headquartered in the unlikely community of Vegreville, Alta.
They were apparently also unconcerned that Mr. Casavant reportedly told Dow Jones reporter Carol Remond that he really knew nothing at all about St. George.
As reported by Stockwatch, however, Mr. Casavant's brother Victor Casavant, a CMKM shareholder and former securities violator, lived in the small town of Vegreville. Moreover, Vicki Curran, another CMKM shareholder and Mr. Casavant's niece also lived in Vegreville and was St. George's investor relations spokesperson.
CMKM's devoted followers seemed equally untroubled when promised news releases that were supposed to identify St. George's board of directors and the source of the $10-million, among other things, failed to materialize. It is still far from clear whether any of that money actually changed hands.
As St. George remained silent and its share price went into a slide, CMKM's faithful followers moved on to other fantasies about massive diamond discoveries, gold deposits, uranium finds, oil rights and astronomical buyouts, among other things.
CMKM's cult-like followers, the so-called true longs, barely missed a beat when the SEC instituted administrative proceedings seeking to revoke the company's stock registration in March of this year.
Indeed, the SEC action was soon incorporated into new CMKM fantasies about painting the U.S. regulator into a corner, trapping nasty short sellers and forcing a staggering cash settlement from the conspirators on "the dark side," which included the SEC, the Depository Trust and Clearing Corp., hedge funds, market makers and others, according to the CMKM faithful.
Meanwhile, St. George finally stirred again.
On April 25, St. George announced that the board of directors, still unidentified, had appointed U.S. lawyer William B. Haseltine to the position of president, replacing another Vegreville player, Mark Giebelhaus.
The appointment of pink sheet experienced Mr. Haseltine, who boasted some SEC experience, was yet more fodder for some of the CMKM fantasists. They worked Mr. Haseltine, a touted securities lawyer with no obvious mining background, into secret master plan designed to trap short sellers.
While some of CMKM's devoted followers stitched St. George's new president into their patchwork and fluid imaginings, Mr. Haseltine issued a series of fluffy news releases about proposed multimillion-dollar deals involving other obscure mining properties.
Reality
On July 1, less than two weeks before issuing an initial decision ordering CMKM's stock registration revoked, the U.S. regulator instituted an administrative proceeding against St. George for failing to file required periodic reports.
The action against St. George was instituted after the SEC enforcement division contacted Mr. Haseltine and was informed that he was the company's only officer and director and, among other things, he knew nothing about the purported $10-million transaction with CMKM.
Mr. Haseltine, who also served as St. George's legal counsel, subsequently filed a very brief answer to the SEC order instituting administrative proceedings against the company.
In his one-page answer, Mr. Haseltine claimed that St. George had been dormant for the past two years and had neither conducted any business nor had any access to capital. He also said that the company was taking steps to pay its accountants to prepare the overdue SEC reports and expected to become current with its reporting obligations within two weeks.
St. George did not become current with its filings. Indeed, the company made no progress at all with respect to meeting its reporting obligations.
At a subsequent prehearing conference before Judge Mahony, the SEC was granted leave to file a motion for summary disposition of the case.
On Aug. 25, four days before the SEC filed its motion for summary revocation of St. George's stock registration, Mr. Haseltine pulled the plug, resigning his position as the company's lawyer and president.
St. George did not file an opposition brief to the SEC's Aug. 29 motion for summary disposition of the administrative proceeding.
On Sept. 29, Judge Mahony issued his initial decision ordering the revocation of St. George's stock registration.
"St. George Metals's actions were egregious and recurrent," Judge Mahony wrote in part. "St. George does not recognize the wrongfulness of its conduct and has acted with a high degree of scienter.
"For nearly a three-year period, it failed to file a total of 11 required periodic reports.
"Despite its claim that it was dormant and without access to capital the past two years, St. George Metals, starting in late 2004, issued press releases touting purported multimillion dollar deals it had entered, or planned to enter, all while it was out of compliance with the periodic reporting requirements.
"Thus, instead of current audited information, the investing public was forced to rely on self-serving statements."
Reviewing the Steadman factors, a guide to determining the appropriate sanction, Judge Mahony went on to conclude that there was a high probability that St. George would continue to violate the reporting requirements of federal securities laws.
"Viewing the Steadman factors in their entirety, I conclude that the only appropriate sanction for the protection of investors is revocation of the registration of each class of St. George Metals's securities," Judge Mahony wrote.
Barring the filing of a petition for review by lawyerless and headless St. George within 21 days, Judge Mahony's initial decision will become final with the entry of an SEC order of finality.
St. George may soon be permanently put to rest.
Meanwhile, CMKM's revocation order is under appeal and the fantasies and trading continue.
St. George managed to eke out a paltry trading volume of 35,300 shares and closed at one-100th of a penny in the final session of the week.
CMKM notched a far more robust volume of more than 1.6 billion shares and, as it has done for the past many months, also closed at a reported one-100th of a penny on Sept. 30, which may be high because NASD grey-sheet reporting only to four decimal places.
------------------------------------------------- The above should be required reading before anyone even thinks about a long term investment in any PINK...
I notice other pinks doing the "other company dividend song and dance number" now.....
Trade the damn things fast, and if ya make any profit, RUN!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
"Victor Casavant evidently ran afoul of Alberta securities regulators in connection with an illegal distribution of shares of a non-reporting issuer, Striker Minerals Ltd. The terms of the settlement agreement, a $1,000 (Canadian) fine and an acknowledgement of "the requirement to be more diligent when raising capital in the future," suggest that it was considered a relatively minor breach of securities regulations."
Yep, here's the evil heavyweight "securities violator" Vic Casavant. Ooooohhhhh such a bad boy he had to pay a fine and promise to be good. I think the Vegraville PD parking ticket may have been a more serious legal violation. But as usual the "SECUTITIES VIOLATOR" is left dangling out there to foster distrust and cause fear amongst shareholders.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: "Victor Casavant evidently ran afoul of Alberta securities regulators in connection with an illegal distribution of shares of a non-reporting issuer, Striker Minerals Ltd. The terms of the settlement agreement, a $1,000 (Canadian) fine and an acknowledgement of "the requirement to be more diligent when raising capital in the future," suggest that it was considered a relatively minor breach of securities regulations."
Yep, here's the evil heavyweight "securities violator" Vic Casavant. Ooooohhhhh such a bad boy he had to pay a fine and promise to be good. I think the Vegraville PD parking ticket may have been a more serious legal violation. But as usual the "SECUTITIES VIOLATOR" is left dangling out there to foster distrust and cause fear amongst shareholders.
That's usually the way it is,they get off light and then come back to create a bigger scam, they should have hit him harder. And no doubt this is a bigger scam Posted by Binky on :
Here's a post from someone who attended the Toronto Gold Show.
By: richerob 02 Oct 2005, 07:22 PM EDT Msg. 261318 of 261318 Jump to msg. # Just got Back from Toronto Gold Show, wow learned a lot about Fort a La corne area. Spoke with Rob McCallum of Kensington, Gord Dent of Great Western Minerals, Shore Gold Rep, and Can Alaska venture Rep.
Spoke with the shore gold rep and asked when he thinks they will open a mine. He thinks 2010. In his honest opinion he feels Shore Gold and most of the junior mining companies will sell there claims to the big boys like, BHP Minerals, Debeers, Rio Tinto, Aberdiamond...etc. Says the entire fort a la corne area has the largest kimberlites in the world meaning if you combined and added up all the kimberlite around the world Saskatchewan still has much more kimberlite all together. He said they will be mining fort a la corne for at least 200 years. By the year 2015 Canada/saskathcewan will be the number 1 producer of diamonds in the world period!! I also asked if shore gold had stumbled upon any other resources like oil, platinum, etc....says nope.... ALL DIAMONDS..TONS of them. Then I asked about the other provinces like: Alberta, BC, Manitoba if they have potential for as much kimberlite like fort a la corne. He says NO WAY fort A la Corne is The WORLD WIDE SPOT for Diamonds, no other place in the world has kimberlite like that.
Then I asked the magic question, what do you think about Casavant Mining. He paused and shook his head....and of course first word out of his mouth... SCAM!!....I then said why is that?.... He really could not give an aswer as to why he thought it was a scam. I said well have you seen them drilling? He says? "NO" So at that point I knew he was lying about CMKX (to sell more shore gold stock)....I remember United Carina, Pine channel Gold and the rest confirming drilling pr's.
Next I spoke to Great Westerns : Gord Dent, again he confirmed fort A la Corne was an excellent stock play for Diamonds. They have claims also up near Atbascin where they have RARE ELEMENT minerals. Saskatchewan is the second place discovered for rare element minerals..Thorium,etc 15 elements all together...sorry can't remember them all...they all end in IUM.
China is the only other place where Rare Element minerals are obtained and processed.
The only other place where there is some Rare element minerals is australia except the one they have is Radioactive and their government does not allow for the processing of it in australia. So what they are doing is shipping it on the barge to china for processing. Just to give you an idea how expensive Rare elements minerals are: approx $1000 / kilogram.
You will find rare elemts in some cars made today...the hybrid vehickes like: Toyota Prius, etc.
Anyways back to diamonds. Then I asked him about Casavant. He whispered "Scheister" same exact negative impression...then he says by the way all his claims are expiring this year.... that's when I knew this guy was talking BS!! so I changed subject....funny enough gordon knew about the race cars...so marketing is working...Good Job UC!!
Next I went To Kensington Booth to speak with rep and Rob Mccallum was there. He was kinda busy talking with other patrons so I spoke with the rep and again eased the magic question about Casavant Mining? First thing she said was well I don't like to bad mouth other companies but there stock is revoked. I said no they are not!! She said sorry was not aware. She did not want to talk more about casavant most of the reps did not know what casavant was up to but all thought negative.
The one thing none of them denied was that fact that he (casavant) actually held those claims in fort a la corne which is a good sign for us shareholders
Before I forget Great western had an original copy of the June 2002 Fort a La Corne Map with claim holders. I tried to get a copy but was not able and did not have a camera with me. But what I found so interesting was the claims we now have showed only 2 holders. the first one and majority was BUCKSHOT/COMMANDO HOLDINGS. (personal casavant family company!! Confirms they are cmkx claims)
The other was 101012190 SK. You can look up this one This was walter and Clair Botkin, Murray Greenwood, Diamond Maple Creek club...etc.
So what I was impressed about the show and what I had learned about Fort a la corne and CMKX is WE DEFINETELY HAVE THE GOOODS...alot of DIAMONDS and 1.9 million acres is a lot up there period!!!
I do believe Casavant will be selling most of the claims and NOT MINING himself because of my conversation with Shore Gold Rep. It is too expensive to start a mine better to leave it to the big boys!!
A Lot of you will probably read this and think I may be BSing or did not actually attend the show, so I will leave you with a little bit of credibilty.
Tomorrow morning there will be a PR from a TSX company by the name of "GREAT PANTHER RESOURCES LTD" their symbol "GPR" The pr will be an announcement of them starting to process and mine SILVER )
Let's see if I can beat Acca, ELO, Jay Adobe and the rest )
I am probably missing a lot of info in this post so if you have a question please ask and I will try to reply.
Have a Good night and like I say "Keep your Eyes on the RADAR"
Posted by Ric on :
This guy realy thinks that all these negatives are a good thing. I also like the fact that the cult refuses to face the fact that CMKX is REVOKED. They are just appealing but it has been revoked. These people can't handle the truth. Fantasy after fantasy but facts just allude their grasp.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Casavant may sell gold claims, but you can be sure that the CMKX shareholders will not see one penny from that sale. Urban is for Urban.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: gusjarvis Ace of Diamonds
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have felt like it really isn't worth posting anymore as we have said enough and the back and forth was really getting boring. From a year ago, at least since Roger came on board, I have posted relentlessly that we have the leverage it takes to succeed, and we did then and we still do. Really how easy was it to see the land and the short back when the CIM divvy was handed out.
This stock is as close to a sure thing as you get in the market. If we get cover we make money, well we will get covered.
The absolute going against common sense has been a result of the artificial doubt created by the hearing (by the way we started) and continues with the posting that goes directly against what some know to be true. One more contrived post about surrendered shares or one more post about how Frizzell isn't really convinced we have the goods was getting crazy. Frizzell and John know we have the goods and the short and that means we are going to make money.
Some have gotten caught up in the game, but if you just step back look at the facts and the people involved you common sense says this looks better than good.
Urban's happy in china, Dr. D sounds happy, Frizz and John say we have the goods and the short, Maheu and Glenn still here, dividends becoming unresticted, USCA's president along with Glenn, Edwards giving shares back, looked all along like we worked with the sec, NASD investigating and taking over the OTC, the SEC's 11 departures, Mahues son and all their connections, CSII, oil, uranium, etc, etc. Too easy if you ask me.
This was the stock play of a lifetime a year ago or more for some, it is finally coming to fruition now. I got a lot of flack for posting how easy this was, well I think I was right. Not easy if you fell for all the BS, but easy if you saw through it.
Sounds like this guy knows his stuff. Anyone buying?
Posted by Ric on :
Better yet Doc,
Casavant may sell gold claims but the shareholders will get the shaft, lol.
Posted by ed19363 on :
More regurgitated KoolAid....
Prove it ! Name names ! Give places ! Offer substantiation ! Or SHUT UP !!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- faith / hope / dreaming of wealth / being totally positive... and all the other optimistic views held by some posters here is: NOT pumping.
pumping is different in fundimental ways...
i say keep the faith, it's good for the soul and is the ONLY thing that allows one to invest in a long shot / once in a lifetime opportunity.
no faith = no motive to take the risk.
i surely applaud our blind optimists, they are the dreamers in life and the ones who will ever dare to buy and hold a winning ticket.
i am clear and steadfast in my view that the gamble is worth the risk... to me it's simple, while i leave the day to day posting to others (since i'm an oldhat to messageboards and sorta burned out by daily participation... which if it doesn't make sense hold judgement till you've been doing it for 15 years)
i have two mega winners under my belt and retired in 96. i like the hunt and the chase of "once in a life time opportunities" that can only be discovered because of communities like this one and the internet...
part of the game is that many plays will not pan out for umpteen reasons... i do and you will buy into losers... but that one rare winner makes it up in spades...
only optimists need play, only optimists can play... it's the nature of the beast... turn negative on any of your picks and you risk losing the ability to even play...
let cmkx go where it will go... cheer it on at every obstacle and every turn... should it fail be glad you had the chance and tried! most will never even try in the first place...
keep trying no matter what cmkx does over the years ahead... the web and these communities have opened a door for us all to know about opportunities like this in the first place... it's nothing short of awesome!
good luck to all of us! may optimisim rule! reality is nothing but a rearview mirror view of things after they are done. who needs that view? only pesimists...
i do not think i am wrong in the least with these views... dust off the rose colored glasses, put them back on... life can get no better then when viewed from positive angles...
i sure hope this board survives it's current trials... but even if not, another will rise from it's ashes... glta!
junk
Posted by legaleagle on :
SGGM up 900%. Go figure. And after revocation.
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX nearly a half billion shares traded in first 15 minutes.
705 million in first 1.5 hours.
1.3 billion currently.
pps Friday .00006 x .00008 pps today .00008 s .00009
Posted by bmarley5780 on :
GO AWAY!!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Heading for lunch now bmarley. But you know what they say about a bad penny.
Oh yeah, CMKX is a "bad penny" isn't it? LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
ANDY'S LATEST MESSAGE
Hello CMKX'r...Welcome to October. IGNORE the NEGATIVE sentiment no matter what! TRUST the TEAM. The TEAM will SPEAK asap between now and Oct. 20. Keep "eachother POSITIVE!"
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: SGGM up 900%. Go figure. And after revocation.
If SGGM is revoked how can the price rise? It's not traded. Posted by CashCowMoo on :
FinancialWire Monday - NASD Takes Control of OTC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- October 3, 2005 (FinancialWire) Today, the NASD takes control of the over-the-counter bulletin board from Nasdaq (NASDAQ: NDAQ), and Nasdaq’s SmallCap market has been renamed Nasdaq Capital Market, moving companies such as Beacon Power (NASDAQ: BCON) on the Regulation SHO threshold list to a new market, and such companies as First Montauk Financial (OTCBB: FMFK) directly under the purview of the NASD, which has recently launched a regulatory offensive against illegal and manipulative naked short selling.
At the same time, despite the efforts of data extractors such as Global Securities, a division of Thomson (NYSE: TOC), the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, which is the leading proponent of corporate transparency, has been identified at the same time as the leading opponent of government transparency.
The SEC has refused public information requests more often than almost every government agency and department, including the CIA and Pentagon, according to a survey.
Of 3,830 information petitions received from lawyers, investors and others under the Freedom of Information Act, the SEC has granted only 34%. The survey was conducted by the Coalition of Journalists for Open Government. The SEC’s year-end backlog of 8,635 requests was also larger than all except four agencies.
“The SEC has never applied the same standards to itself that it applies to the companies it regulates,” Edward Fleischman, a former SEC commissioner and now senior counsel at the Linklaters law firm, was quoted as saying.
“This is an agency that has never done very much disclosure about itself.'”
According to the survey, the CIA and the Department of Defense, by contract, fulfilled half of the information requests. The Pentagon had received 77,256 requests.
The SEC did not decide on 93% of over 9,000 requests received in its last fiscal year, and is totally jammed up now.
Global Securities Information said it had filed over 9,000 FOIAs and now has a backlog of over 6,000 pending.
SEC speakers have recently talked about corporate governance filtering throughout a public company according to the “tone at the top.” The secretive tone at the top appears to be filtering through two of its regulated SROs, NASD and the NYSE, to their co-owned Depository Trust & Clearing Corp.
The DTCC., reportedly itself under NASD scrutiny for its controversial stock lending program that some, including an 11 state state North American Securities Adminitrators Association task force headed by Connecticut’s chief securities officer, and former NASAA president, apparently believe facilitates the illegal naked shorting industry, has been very secretive about the status of shares for individual companies, stonewalling even companies’ efforts to determine their true ownerships and short positions.
Brokerage and clearing firms are apparently under intense NASD pressure to settle failed short trades in Regulation SHO threshold securities or have their clearance firms do it for them at possible substantive losses.
The NASD is in turn acting under political and regulatory pressure from the 11-state task force.
Lambiase had publicly asked the SEC to “fix” the DTCC “problem” as it was considering the adoption of Regulation SHO last year, but taking a page from numerous U.S. Senators, he and other state regulators have grown tired of waiting for Regulation SHO to do more than simply shine a magnification light on the massive fails-to-deliver problem.
DealFlow said NASD officials are concerned that stock loan programs are being used to settle failed short trades in Reg SHO threshold stocks, which must be closed out voluntarily or through forced buy-ins within 13 days. “The regulators are concerned that the stock loan are being used instead of market purchases to provide the shares needed for settlement, creating new transactions that will ultimately fail to settle as well.”
The state regulators, DealFlow said, have been “highly critical of the SEC's decision to ‘grandfather’ settlement failures resulting from naked short sales up to levels that trigger threshold status under Reg SHO.”
NAASA was particularly concerned about Regulation SHO, because it excluded the small cap market from any meaningful regulation. “NASAA said the proposal included replacing the so-called ‘tick test’ with a rule that would provide a uniform price test using the "consolidated best bid" as the reference point for permissible short sales. This, however, would not address problems relating to the naked short selling of smaller, less liquid securities, because , NASAA argued, the requirement of the consolidated best bids meant it could not be applied to securities that were not subject to real-time consolidated quotes. That included Nasdaq Small Cap, OTCBB, and Pink Sheet securities.
NASAA also questioned the wisdom of grandfathering settlement failures under the threshold level, asking why the SEC was willing to permit significant settlement failures at all.”
“While there are instances when settlement may be legitimately delayed, existing regulations provide for extensions for settlement. If the Commission continues to allow settlement failures, it may well facilitate the harm that the proposal is designed to remedy,” Lambiase warned the SEC.
According to DealFlow, Lambiase urged the SEC to reconsider its stance regarding the role of the stock borrow program operated by the Depository Trust Corp. (DTC). NASAA wrote that as a threshold matter, NASAA believes that the Commission should explicitly prohibit the DTC from lending more shares of a security than it actually holds. The utility of the overall proposed rule would be severely impaired unless the Commission undertakes to implement such a prohibition."
Brent Baker, an attorney with Woodbury Kesler in Salt Lake City and counsel to naked shorting target and eight-month old threshold list company Overstock.com, previously spent 14 years at the SEC, including time in the Division of Enforcement, was quoted as saying he believes that the SEC tried, with Regulation SHO, to put "their finger in the dike" but failed.
“Three or four years ago naked short selling was being perpetrated by promoters in the micro cap world," he says. "they would publish 'exposes' on the Internet... and they would bring pressure on these little companies."
“However, short selling has changed,” noted DealFlow. He believes the SEC does not realize that abusive short selling practices have been adopted by others and are now built into business models of large, mainstream hedge funds.
Meanwhile, the NY Post has reported that traders in Nasdaq stocks are racing to beat a rumored regulatory deadline to close out their positions — or take huge losses as clearing firms do it for them.
“Naked short sales are trades executed without borrowing stock beforehand. Naked short sellers can overwhelm an orderly trading market, since unlike traditional short sellers, there is technically no limit to how much stock can be sold short illegally, noted the Post.
The Post also reported recently that the NASD and numerous state securities regulators, led by Ralph Lambiase of Connecticut's Division of Securities and Business Investments, have vowed to increase scrutiny of naked short sales.
“A buy-in is the worst possible development for a short-seller, since he has to accept any price given,” it stated.
It seems that everytime the DTCC, which is also the target of numerous lawsuits brought by failed companies and a scorching expose in Investment Dealers Digest, gets under pressure, it begins striking out blindly in all directions. FinancialWire can often determine when the heat has been turned up because it is among the media, also thought to have included Dateline NBC, that begins to receive threats from the organization.
In February, the DTCC interfered with FinancialWire’s distribution to Investors Business Daily, and in the past week it sought once more to interfere with another distribution, saying that FinancialWire receives monies for its editorial coverage of the naked short selling issue.
Marshal Shichtman, Esq., attorney for FinancialWire, has been in touch with Proskauer Rose, the outside counsel for the DTCC, warning it of slander, tortuous interference with FinancialWire’s business and because the DTCC is owned by two SROs, the NASD and the NYSE, of First Amendment violations.
Shichtman will be similarly warning the SROs and the directors of the DTCC of what he terms their risks associated with the ruthless, reckless and irresponsible actions of their clearance entity.
In a letter to constituent investor advocate Dave Patch, whose persistence in criticizing Federal regulators over the past several years for shareholder losses at the hands of illegal manipulators was at times a lone quest, often covered only by FinancialWire, Connecticut Division of Securities Director Ralph A. Lambiase, the immediate past president of the North American Securities Administrators Association outlined for the first time the efforts a “working group” of state regulators have been undertaking to assail abusive market practices that Lambiase said has been directly responsible for “an unmistakable loss of investor confidence by the arguably millions of investors who have lost their monies.”
It was an unusual move by Lambiase to outline the states’ enforcement plans in a letter to Patch, who has been vilified and scorned by many top regulators and institutions for his efforts, which includes the maintenance of a website, http://www.investigatethesec.com .
Lambiase said that his efforts, and efforts of others, such as Tanya Solov, Director of the Illinois Securities Department, Tanya Durkee, Deputy Commissioner, Vermont Department of Securities, and Rex A. Staples, General Counsel for NASAA, was stimulated by Patch, and an ever-growing group of concerned citizens who have “continued to champion the issue of reform in the naked short selling area for so long,” and added that it has been those grassroots efforts that constitute the “primary reason we are beginning to see reform of any sort.” Lambiase was clear in stating that it is “your determination and persistence in seeing that this wrong is righted is in part responsible for my interest, as well as that of other state regulators.”
Lambiase, whose initial letter to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission stated that the SEC needs to look at the role of the Depository Trust and Clearing Corp. in allowing these abuse practices to continue, said that it seems “clear that had the SRO’s and the SEC exercised greater diligence in enforcing pre-existing rules, Reg SHO would likely have been unnecessary.”
He said his working group has begun meeting with SRO’s and issuers alike, and that it will “continue to exert substantial effort to remedy the remaining abusive practices in naked short selling until we are confident at the state level that the companines in our communities and citizens that invest in them will no longer be the possible targets of abusive naked short sellers.”
It had been previously rumored that the reason the NASD has been issuing subpoenas to a dozen or more brokerages over their “fails to deliver” and their failures to enforce buy-ins is due to those regulating at the Federal level not wanting to be trumped again by a state investigation such as occurred in several Spitzer reform efforts.
Lambiase so far appears to be taking the posture that the state group is ready to step in if the Federal regulators do not, thus “inspiring” the current efforts rumored to be occurring at the Federal level.
To make the point, he told Patch in the letter obtained by FinancialWire that “there remains a substantial distance between REG SHO and the ultimate goal of including substantive protections for small business issuers.”
It is these small businesses in our communities, Lambiase pointed out, “who take entrepreneurial risks to grow their companies through listings on the OTCBB and Pink Sheets. These small businesses not only provide employment for the residents of their communities, but also offer the general public the opportunity to invest in local businesses with promising products or services.
“While it may be true that a number of small companies lack the financial depth to succeed, they are nonetheless entitled to succeed or fail by their own honest business decisions and not as a result of the corrupt acts of abusive short sellers.
In what some believe is another swipe at the secretive DTCC, he said that “without transparency, we cannot, as yet, precisely identify each small business that failed as a direct result of abusinve naked short selling nor quantify the exact number of jobs lost to our local economies when these companies are forced to close their doors.”
In what is an unmistakable prod to the SEC, Lambiase said that institution is “moving slowly forward as Reg SHO in its current state is studied and debated seemingly ad infinitum. While slight modifications to the existing Rule may result from such an approach, a far more threatening pattern of abuse is certain to continue unless wholesale reforms are made to remedy the concerns of the small business community.”
He said that even Congress, whose members have also called the SEC on the carpet for the slow progress associated with Reg SHO may in fact be missing the point that “abusive short selling poses a direct threat to the economic well being of small business and the entire community.”
The 11-state task force reportedly was in serious strategy sessions a few weeks ago.
The New York Post quoted one regulator as saying there is “an epidemic” of naked shorting. Regulation SHO has made that evident for the world to see. Numerous U.S. Senators have called the Regulation fully ineffective, and have repeatedly called upon the SEC Commissioners to get the practice under control.
The Post said that an SEC official confirmed to it “that no complaints have been brought in the nine months since Regulation SHO went into effect.”
It quoted one state securities regulator, Bill Reilly of Florida, as saying he expects the increased effort will result in more voluntary compliance from dealers, as well as enforcement activity.
That may or may not resolve the DTCC “problem.” Recently a stock transfer agent, Transfer Online Inc., had asked then-SEC Chair William Donaldson to put a stop to the control the Depository Trust & Clearing Corp. and Automatic Data Processing (NYSE: ADP) are fast gaining over the transfer business, and to demand DTCC transparency.
Excerpts from the letter, posted at http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/LettersToEditor/1012.html , states: “Over the years as the amount of shares held at DTC has increased it has become more and more difficult to determine who owns the shares, who is trading them and if the trading is proper. This trend, and the resulting problems I will detail below, continues to increase because a minority of the total number of shareholders are reflected on the books and records of the corporation, most activity takes place behind the wall of ownership that is designated as Cede & Co. and neither the company nor the transfer agent has any access to the underlying information.
“Furthermore, DTC recently managed to put through a rule change (Release No. 34-50758A; File No.S7-24-04) that prohibits a transfer agent from representing any company who seeks to withdraw from the DTC system. This change effectively leaves companies with no voice or choice in the management of their stock and their ability to have any transparency as to what is actually taking place in the market in regard to their stock.
“I receive calls from companies seeking information as they watch millions of shares trade in a single day, who watch their share price decrease in value and who have no access to information regarding who is behind the trading of these shares, or if in fact the trades are at all legitimate. As the system now operates, most companies have a large percentage of shares on their books registered to Cede & Co.
“Given the importance of shareholder voting and communication one would assume that the same requirements placed on transfer agents as to accuracy and reporting would be placed on ADP and Cede & Co. as they usually hold or service the majority of the shares owned in any given company.
“I have found; however, that when presented with the tabulation reports from ADP the share totals they report sometimes exceed the total number of shares outstanding for the company. Let me restate this because it is a very important part of my concern about a system that is more and more headed in the direction of increased control by DTC. The shares presented by ADP, that are the shares voted by the brokers on behalf of the shareholders for whom they hold accounts, EXCEED when added to the shareholders of record the total number of shares outstanding.
“Where are these extra shares coming from? Why are there no controls on the number of shares held in the nominee name Cede & Co. vs. the ownership on the books and records of the brokers and why is the company not privy to any information unless it pays whatever fees it is told it must pay by the organizations that control the data?
“In fact, as the system is evolving, DTC is de facto becoming the largest transfer agent in the industry even though it is an organization formed by and working for the interests of the brokerage community. If, ultimately, the S.E.C. is in place to protect investors then this issue can not be ignored because in the end when the market is completely under the control of the brokers and the organizations that represent them then the market can neither be transparent nor fair.”
The DTCC actions in the StockGate mire are the most serious, if not notorious since the agent of two SROs, the New York Stock Exchange and NASD is also peopled by some 21 directors whose companies, such as Merrill Lynch & Co. (NYSE: MER), State Street Corporation (NYSE: STT) and Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS), are unlikely to support the DTCC in its media censorship.
DTCC board members include Michael C. Bodson, Managing Director, Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MWD); Gary Bullock, Global Head of Logistics, Infrastructure, UBS Investment Bank (NYSE: UBS); Stephen P. Casper, Managing Director and Chief Operating Officer, Fischer Francis Trees & Watts, Inc.; Jill M. Considine,Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer, The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (DTCC);
Also, Paul F. Costello, President, Business Services Group, Wachovia Securities (NYSE: WB); John W. Cummings, Senior Vice President & Head of Global Technology & Services, Merrill Lynch & Co. (NYSE: MER); Donald F. Donahue, Chief Operating Officer, The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (DTCC); Norman Eaker, General Partner, Edward Jones; George Hrabovsky, President, Alliance Global Investors Service; Catherine R. Kinney, President and Co-Chief Operating Officer, New York Stock Exchange; Thomas J. McCrossan, Executive Vice President, State Street Corporation (NYSE: STT); Bradley Abelow, Managing Director, Goldman Sachs (NYSE: GS); Jonathan E. Beyman, Chief Information Officer, Lehman Brothers (NYSE: LEH); and Frank J. Bisignano, Chief Administrative Officer and Senior Executive Vice President, Citigroup / Solomon Smith Barney's Corporate Investment Bank (NYSE: C), Eileen K. Murray, Managing Director, Credit Suisse First Boston (NYSE: CSR); James P. Palermo, Vice Chairman, Mellon Financial Corporation (NYSE: MEL); Thomas J. Perna, Senior Executive Vice President, Financial Companies Services Sector of The Bank of New York (NYSE: BNY); Ronald Purpora, Chief Executive Officer, Garban LLC; Douglas Shulman, President, Regulatory Services and Operations, NASD; and Thompson M. Swayne, Executive Vice President, JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM).
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: SGGM up 900%. Go figure. And after revocation.
If SGGM is revoked how can the price rise? It's not traded.
It trades until a final order is issued.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Originally posted by GatorMan:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: SGGM up 900%. Go figure. And after revocation.
If SGGM is revoked how can the price rise? It's not traded.
It trades until a final order is issued.
Ah, so it's not yet revoked. Anyway, I'll bet that .001 was a fat fingered .0001.
Posted by Ric on :
Yes it is revoked but they have 21 days to appeal just like all companies that get revoked. CMKX is revoked but they are appealing and still get to trade until the appeal is over.
This is just procedure. But both are REVOKED.
Think of it as you go to trail and get convicted so you appeal the verdict. Unless you are a threat to society then you get to stay out of jail until your appeal is ruled on. Your still convicted just out waiting on appeal.
Posted by bill1352 on :
great article cashcow....lets hope public pressure finally gets things righted. one thing that has to be put in place with it is every company that is publiclly traded be it pinks otc, green, grey or candy striped must report its share structure 4 times a yr & every time more then 5% is added to the o/s or float period. this report must be backed by transfer agent records. too many pink sheets scream naked sahort & later you find out they diluted the piss out of the stock...like cmkx for example. some of this dilution may be because of naked shorting & the drop in pps it causes but not 100's of billions of shares worth. i would not be very suprised if cmkx had a naked short out there but 703 billion in the o/s sort of makes a short meaningless if even possible. UC did just what naked shorting does, he dumped billions of shares into the market without anyone knowing.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Ric...i'm suprised at you...you should know by now cmkx is not revoked. the DOJ is letting this happen to catch bad guys. why any day now the head oof the FBI, the CIA, Homeland Security, why even Pre. Bush will be breaking into nightly TV to announce the huge sting operation & pat UC & his faithful shareholders on the back for they great & brave work in catching these crooks. why the Fed's will be buying every share for $1 just as their way of thanking those brave shareholders.
Posted by Ric on :
Please don't put Bush in on it. If its stupid, costs too much, and makes no sense, then I would say its possible with Bush involved in it. lol
Posted by stockster5 on :
oh boy .. can we do some bush bashing too ?? yeehaw
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ANDY'S LATEST MESSAGE
Hello CMKX'r...Welcome to October. IGNORE the NEGATIVE sentiment no matter what! TRUST the TEAM. The TEAM will SPEAK asap between now and Oct. 20. Keep "eachother POSITIVE!"
I'll be counting the days til this next non-event. Just another delay tactic with a puff of smoke at the end, IMO
Posted by ed19363 on :
By the way, has anybody figured out who is on this "team"? If its just UC and Mahoo, with Andy as mouthpiece, we are in deep doo-doo.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
You ARE in "deep doo-doo"! No bout adoubt it. All CMKX shareholders are in "deep doo-doo".
Posted by Ric on :
Well the king of PB32, Canuck, is giving up his board because he no longer believes. So I guess the koolaid brainwashing can be broken.
Posted by Ric on :
THE MINING WORLD KNOWS YOU'RE DOOMED:
De Beers, Peregrine Hunt for Diamonds in the Canadian Arctic 2005-09-29 02:11 (New York) . . . "Only 15 percent of the 7,000 kimberlites discovered worldwide bear diamonds, says Bruce Kjarsgaard, a minerals research scientist at the Geological Survey of Canada in Ottawa. Fewer than 1 percent have yielded enough stones to merit a mine.
Canada, where many of the kimberlites are in the remote Arctic, is a case in point. After four decades of exploration, the country has two mines, Ekati and Diavik, 20 miles apart in the Northwest Territories.
John Kaiser, a Moraga, California-based analyst who has a Web site about stocks called Kaiser Bottom-Fish Online, which many in the diamond industry consider required reading."
Of CMKX he says:
``They printed paper and sold it,'' Kaiser says. ``As far as I can tell, they found nothing.''
By Anthony Effinger and Christopher Donville Sept. 29 (Bloomberg)
Posted by ed19363 on :
So much for all those acres of barren land.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Yes it is revoked but they have 21 days to appeal just like all companies that get revoked. CMKX is revoked but they are appealing and still get to trade until the appeal is over.
This is just procedure. But both are REVOKED.
Think of it as you go to trail and get convicted so you appeal the verdict. Unless you are a threat to society then you get to stay out of jail until your appeal is ruled on. Your still convicted just out waiting on appeal.
You can split hairs here if you like. How about "revoked pending appeal"? I just think it's misleading to state a stock that is trading is simly "revoked".
Posted by stockster5 on :
To Bill1352 ..."UC did just what naked shorting does, he dumped billions of shares into the market without anyone knowing." .... um, Sec, Dtc, mining idustries ... 10's of thousands of penny stock traders ... NO-ONE saw this happening.... whoa... everyone all saw this, and still wanted a piece of the action. That's what day trading and GREED are all about. If people weren't giving money to the over sea's bank give-a-way scams, they wouldn't keep email them out.! Enron, Kmart ... they only got caught because the ceo's started ripping off their own shareholders who turned on them. The shareholders are fine as long as they get their cash. It's all bottom line, anything goes as long as it's going your way. Read some of the natural gas companies shareholder meetings to get real depressed, Ceo's say to the shareholders, "if we could call our gas 'Gucci Gas' we could charge a higher price, so we have to market our product like it's as expensive as oil." he goes on to say, even though we sell 70% less product than oil, we should be priced to make the same volume of income as oil anyways.... sheesh, how the hell do we survive in a market place that companies raise prices just because they can and not on real supply and demand or other true market pressures. S5
Posted by Ric on :
It's not really splitting hairs. I didn't say it the SEC and the Administrative judge did. I guess if it makes you feel better then thats alright. I was just stating what the court ruled on.
ORDER Based on the findings and conclusions set forth above:
IT IS ORDERED THAT, pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registration of each class of securities of CMKM Diamonds, Inc., is hereby REVOKED.
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW Section 13(a) of the Exchange Act and the rules promulgated thereunder require issuers of securities registered pursuant to Section 12 of the Exchange Act to file periodic and other 2 The registration of CMKM’s stock was revoked for failing to file periodic reports on July 12, 2005. CMKM Diamonds, Inc., Initial Decision Release No. 291 (July 12, 2005). The Commission has yet to decide CMKM’s appeal of that decision.
Judge Mahony's ruling on SGGM,
ORDER Based on the findings and conclusions set forth above:
IT IS ORDERED that the Division of Enforcement’s Motion for Summary Disposition is GRANTED; and
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registration of each class of securities of St. George Metals, Inc., is hereby REVOKED.
Posted by GatorMan on :
OK Ric. I guess you're right.
Posted by Ric on :
needdiamonds God of Diamonds
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 909 Needdiamonds INC? « Thread Started on Today at 1:05pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I decided since everyone and their mother is going public. Why don't I?
1) What do I have to sell? A) Do I really need a product? No one else seems too?
2) What Can I expect from this new company if formed? A) Lots of shares in the market, Plus a free T-shirt
3) When will you be able to trade? A) When the T-shirts are ready
I guess you can see my point. Everyone is going public and using CMKX as stepping stone. I guess Sterling is next. He can sell advice/posts.
Posted by ed19363 on :
All you need is access to a printing press.
Posted by Ric on :
Use Kinkos
Posted by bill1352 on :
Of CMKX he says:
``They printed paper and sold it,'' Kaiser says. ``As far as I can tell, they found nothing.''
paper????....hell with what UC printed he could have built a new forest. instead of a new subdivision or 2 we got truckloads of shares. the cost of printing those shares is more then the value of any mineral find since they have gotten squat from the gold deal & still owe the company running it.
Posted by Upside on :
Want to talk paper? If each of the 800 billion CMKX shares are 8" x 8", laid end to end they would circle the globe 12,742 times. Assuming a paper thickness of .006", there would be a ring of CMKX certificates circling earth almost 6-1/2 feet thick. How's that for dd?
Posted by bill1352 on :
Up...i think you hit on the real hidden value of cmkx...the levy's in new orleans...everyone send in their certs for cmkx & we could build a levy that no flood could break & with the left over certs we could raise the land versus sea level of NO to an above sea level point. they could build a new city on cmkx certs. it would be a city built on chit but that wouldn't be a new thing.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:it would be a city built on chit but that wouldn't be a new thing.
Same city, different chit.
Posted by legaleagle on :
John Edwards feeling a little "pinch" on his CROWN HOLDINGS. Creditors = Brokers holding NS
Crown Financial Assigns All of Its Assets for the Benefit of Creditors
Crown Financial Assigns All of Its Assets for the Benefit of Creditors Tuesday October 4, 7:34 pm ET
JERSEY CITY, N.J., Oct. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Crown Financial Holdings, Inc. (the "Company", Pink Sheets: CFGI.PK) today announced that on October 4, 2005, the Company executed an Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors under the New Jersey Business Corporation Act. The Company's Board of Directors resolved to proceed with the Assignment in light of the Company's inability to reach the level of financing necessary to restructure its business operations. A similar Assignment was executed by the Company's wholly-owned subsidiary, Crown Financial Group, Inc., which has ceased its operations as a broker-dealer and on September 30, 2005 filed a Uniform Request for Withdrawal from Broker-Dealer Registration with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. and various jurisdictions.
The Assignment is a legally prescribed business liquidation mechanism under the New Jersey law that is an alternative to a formal bankruptcy proceeding. A designated assignee will serve in a fiduciary capacity in connection with the foregoing Assignment and will assume his duties effective immediately. The Assignment proceeding is effected by the execution of a Deed of Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors, which transfers all of the Company's assets to the Assignee to hold custodia legis for the benefit of creditors. The Company anticipates that the Deed will be filed and recorded in and with the Register of Hudson County and the Surrogate of Hudson County shortly. The case will be administered under the jurisdiction of the Superior Court of New Jersey, Chancery Division, Probate Part, Hudson County.
Under the terms of the Assignment, the Company transferred to the Assignee, in trust for the benefit of the Company's creditors, all of its property, including (but not limited to) the Company's assets, accounts receivable, list of creditors, books and records, etc. The Assignee is further required to give public notice by advertising in a New Jersey newspaper and circulating a notice in the neighborhood where the creditors reside. Such notice will inform the creditors that the Assignment has been made and that all creditor claims must be presented under oath to the Assignee within 3 months from the date of the Assignment, or be barred.
Under the New Jersey law, the Assignee has the full power and authority to dispose of all of the Company's property, sue for and recover in his own name everything belonging to the Company, compromise and settle all claims, disputes and litigations of the Company, and review any transfers of the Company's property within 4 months of the assignment for potential preferential payments.
The Company's Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q for the periods ended April 30, 2005 and July 31, 2005 are past due and the Company plans to file such reports as soon as possible.
About Crown Financial Holdings, Inc.
Crown Financial Holdings, Inc. is the parent of its wholly owned subsidiary, Crown Financial Group, Inc., a registered broker-dealer with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission and the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc.
Forward-looking statements
Certain statements contained herein constitute "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, estimates and projections about the Company's industry, management's beliefs and certain assumptions made by management. Readers are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. Because such statements involve risks and uncertainties, the actual results and performance of the Company may differ materially from the results expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Given these uncertainties, readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Unless otherwise required by law, the Company also disclaims any obligation to update its view of any such risks or uncertainties or to announce publicly the result of any revisions to the forward-looking statements made here; however, readers should review carefully reports or documents the Company files periodically with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: Crown Financial Holdings, Inc.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Want to talk paper? If each of the 800 billion CMKX shares are 8" x 8", laid end to end they would circle the globe 12,742 times. Assuming a paper thickness of .006", there would be a ring of CMKX certificates circling earth almost 6-1/2 feet thick. How's that for dd?
That's a bigger waste of time than what legal does and calls it DD.
Posted by legaleagle on :
hermannmaier0 King of Diamonds
member is online
Hermann in Downhill, 1998 Olympics. Super Crash 2 days before winning SG Gold, also won GS Gold.
Joined: Sept 2005 Posts: 662 Re: Crown Financial Assigns All of Its Assets for « Reply #13 on Today at 8:39pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OTC moves to NASD
Crown falls
12 SEC depart since.....April?
11 state regulators on the warpath.
Fed calls 14 banks to carpet re: unconfirmed trades
what else?
That move of the OTC.BB and OTC to NASD sure came on suddenly. Maybe I just missed all the forwarning.
We arent hearing much on the O'Quinn front. I bet plenty is happening in those suits.
It must be hell for the FED and SEC to try and keep this house of cards proped up.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Hmmm. Maybe Judgement Day is Coming. LOL Just not the one you expected.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Want to talk paper? If each of the 800 billion CMKX shares are 8" x 8", laid end to end they would circle the globe 12,742 times. Assuming a paper thickness of .006", there would be a ring of CMKX certificates circling earth almost 6-1/2 feet thick. How's that for dd?
That's a bigger waste of time than what legal does and calls it DD.
Hey Wallace, smell my finger.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"Solving problems has been my occupation for many years," said Maheu. He continued, "Tough assignments are not solved by wishful thinking, but rather by tough action."
Posted by legaleagle on :
SHHHHHHHHHHHH............... LISTEN .............CAN YOU HEAR IT? ............I CAN
Posted by legaleagle on :
A similar Assignment was executed by the Company's wholly-owned subsidiary, Crown Financial Group, Inc., which has ceased its operations as a broker-dealer and on September 30, 2005 filed a Uniform Request for Withdrawal from Broker-Dealer Registration with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. and various jurisdictions.
Posted by Ric on :
You do know that NASDAQ owned NASD until 1999 when they spinned it off. Nasdaq has been trying to streamline for quite some time now.
Wasn't all of a sudden though. NASDAQ has been looking at offers for more then 2 years. They were even considering selling the whole division at one time. But I guess they felt that streamlining would do the trick.
Posted by bill1352 on :
what happens to crown, the otcbb or the otc is meaningless to cmkx. now if cmkx were a real, honest forthright company the otcbb move might have meaning. but since cmkx is a printing press company its meaningless. its being revoked will be upheld & on the outside chance cmkx has a naked short it will be wiped out. the records may still be there but nobody that matters will care. any ppl working to solve the markets NS problem wont look twice at a non-trading, revoked, used up appeals stock with a 703.5 billion o/s. why should they when honest companies with normal o/s's and still trading need their attention. so to answer your question legal, it might sound like a train is starting to move but cmkx is not on-board nor will they be waiting at the station.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Hmmm. Maybe Judgement Day is Coming. LOL Just not the one you expected.
This reminds me of "Jericho, Jericho, and the wall come tumbling down. Or should it be "Urbancho, Urbancho, and you walls came tumbling down.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: SHHHHHHHHHHHH............... LISTEN .............CAN YOU HEAR IT? ............I CAN
I can smell it too. It smells much worse than Upside's finger.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: SHHHHHHHHHHHH............... LISTEN .............CAN YOU HEAR IT? ............I CAN
When I see patients in the Geri Psychiatric units there are alot of them who ask that question. I just increase their meds Posted by stockster5 on :
LOok see... painless old news already
NASDAQ Transfers OTCBB to the NASD
Summary
The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has approved the transfer of the OTCBB/OTC business to the NASD. The transfer will be effective October 1, 2005. Contact information What is changing and how will it affect customers? As announced in July 2005 in Head Trader Alert #2005-083, in preparation for Exchange Registration, NASDAQ® is planning to transfer the OTCBB/OTC business to the NASD. The SEC has now approved the transfer and it will be effective October 1, 2005.
NASDAQ and NASD have structured this transfer of the businesses to be seamless to the customers of the OTCBB and OTC trade reporting businesses. NASDAQ will continue to provide the technology and connectivity used to carry out the day-to-day functions of the OTCBB and OTC trade reporting while the OTCBB business and OTC trade reporting business will be owned, managed and regulated by the NASD.
Will there be any changes to the way I trade OTCBB securities? The OTCBB will continue to be accessed through the existing channels: the NASDAQ Workstation II® (available until November 30, 2005) and application programming interface (API) (available until December 31, 2005), the computer-to-computer interface (CTCI), and through NASDAQ’s new offerings in 2005, QIX, NASDAQ’s proprietary connectivity protocol, and the new NASDAQ Workstation. OTCBB market data will also continue to be offered through the Bulletin Board Dissemination ServiceSM (BBDSSM) and the NASDAQ Trade Data Dissemination ServiceSM (TDDSSM).
I didn't feel a thing............ I, um ,, don't hear anything either ... ..
S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Hey here's a little change of pace ....it's a company move question, I've posted elsewhere with no replys....
Here's the scenerio.... Company 'A' Confirms the Distribution of Its Shareholding in company 'B' (newly created and owned by 'A') and promising to list new company on pink or otcbb real soon... NEW YORK, Sept 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- company 'A' Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: 'A') confirms that it is distributing its entire direct shareholding in the amount of millions and millions shares of Common Stock in 'B' Inc. to 'A' Inc. shareholders of record as at October 2005. These shares of 'B' Inc. Common Stock will be posted to 'A' Inc. shareholders of record in and during the two week period after October 2005, that being the "Pay Day" for this Dividend.
I don't believe this to be unique, but if somebody had this happen before, what do you think I could expect. Reverse-split action? actually something positive happening....This company just gave a 25% stock dividend 2 months ago.
Thanks much S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
and it's not associated with UC ... !
Posted by legaleagle on :
John Edwards and his multiple companies owned nearly 300 billion shares of CMKX. RESTRICTED
With the "Assignment" of assets, UC can now rescind those shares.
Posted by legaleagle on :
From "Columbo" List
List of Edwards Companies and Assigns On CMKX Master Shareholders list.
Company Name Shares Issued
ABDU 1,000,000,000 AGAP Serene 6,659,000,000 Alberta Resource Consortium 12,000,000,000 Albert Finch and Associates 8,000,000,000 Aruma Mining Inc 2,070,000,000 Barrington Foods Trust 200,000,000 Bazarro Gears 1,070,000,000 Berama Giorgio 3,756,168,000 British Columbia Mining Syndicate 8,000,000,000 Broadleaf Capital Trust 200,000,000 Canadian Tundra Resources 2,300,000,000 Chen Trust 1,100,000,000 Anita Cohen 4,000,000,000 Consistorium Patruum 7,140,000,000 Dela norte Trading Langley 4,391,500,000 Del la Norte Trading (Vegas) 400,000,000 Docket Reporting Services 8,000,000,000 Doyle Trust 4,400,000,000 Elan First Merchant (Langley) 2,183,009,571 Elan First Merchant (Vegas) 1,080,000,000 Eleta Brunelle (Langley) 1,972,084,000 Eleta Brunelle (Langley) 140,056,000 Jules Englehardt Trust 4,760,000,000 Eton Properties 30,958,346,596 Fastraxx 200,000,000 Faza Gee Industrial 4,346,465,996 Feasibility Studies International 714,000,000 Feasibility Mining Services 6,000,000,000 First Colony Merchant 20,000,000 Futula Alloys Inc. 1,500,000,000 Futula Alloys Inc. (Vegas) 240,000,000 Giorgio Metals 2,070,000,000 GM Steel Trust 23,850,000,000 Guardian Security Trust 200,000,000 Hiaget Gears 1,500,000,000 Huntion Trading 2,331,033,600 Inde Enterprises (Vegas) 327,000,000 Inde Enterprises (Langley) 1,220,000,000 Industrichem Trust 200,000,000 Inov8mobile Trust 200,000,000 ITC trust 200,000,000 Jasmine Tree Farms (Langley) 1,070,000,000 John Di Properties 6,940,000,000 Jt Trust 1,500,000,000 Juina Mining Trust 200,000,000 Jules Englehardt 4,760,000,000 Jules Englehardt Inc 1,600,000,000 Jules Englehardt Inc. Trust 465,500,000 Kart Trust 3,000,000,000 Jeannie Kinney 8,000,000,000 Kolba Meadmakers (Langley) 870,000,000 Kolba Meadmakers (Vegas) 80,000,000 Lajolla Leathers 870,000,000 Loan and Development Corporation 1,657,142,857 Lajolla Leathers (Vegas) 80,000,000 Mantica Trust 200,000,000 McClendon Transportation Trust 200,000,000 MCM Trust 1,500,000,000 Mineral West Associates 12,000,000,000 Moncom Enterprises (Langley) 9,704,382,283 NoAngel Glass (Langley) 950,000,000 Oles Books 1,070,000,000 Ortech Trust 200,000,000 Patruum Services 6,000,000,000 PTI Trust 27,715,067,030 Quapple Toffee (Langley) 950,000,000 Reginella Tackle Inc. 950,000,000 Anthony Rick 6,000,000 Anthony Rick acct 2 1,600,000,000 Eton Properties Anthony / Ormstead 400,000,000 Frank Ormstead 6,000,000 Sandias Azucara 500,000,000 Saskatchewan Mineral Developments 8,000,000,000 Shareholder Relations USA 7,295,250,000 Suerlan Gezebos 1,070,000,000 Tobian Trading (Langley) 8,166,394,407 Tobian Trading (Vegas) 160,000,000 Vidmar Limited Trust 3,500,000,000 Viford Trading (Langley) 5,252,112,308 Viford Trading Trust (Vegas) 134,900,000 Wakefield Services Corporation 16,262,858
Issued Totals for Edwards Companies 289,537,675,506
Posted by legaleagle on :
Eagle Broadband Files Lawsuit Against Internet Posters Believed to Be Engaged in Illegal Trading Activities & Stock Manipulation Schemes Wednesday October 5, 11:30 am ET Company to Aggressively Seek Damages and Injunctive Relief to Ban Posters from Distributing False, Fraudulent and Misleading Information Designed to Damage the Company, its Shareholders and Stock
HOUSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 5, 2005-- Eagle Broadband, Inc. (AMEX:EAG - News), a leading provider of broadband, Internet protocol (IP) and communications technology and services, announced today that the company has filed a lawsuit containing claims for defamation and unfair business practices in the Superior Court of California against 25 anonymous "John Doe" defendants alleging that these defendants have distributed false, fraudulent and misleading misinformation on Internet message boards in an effort to damage Eagle's business and its shareholders, and to drive down the value of its stock in order to reap profits for themselves. ADVERTISEMENT
The 25 "John Doe" defendants named in the lawsuit include individuals using the following Internet message board ID's: "upanddown100", "team_3339", "bubba2o", "benderanddundat", "advanced_headlines", "richwill21", and "phil_phd2003", among others. The company may add additional defendants to this lawsuit as additional evidence warrants.
The company has evidence that these posters have engaged in unlawful activities and is seeking monetary and punitive damages from these individuals and/or firms who have engaged in deliberate misinformation campaigns designed to drive down the price of the company's stock in an apparent attempt to capture illegal gains from short sales.
The fraudulent and misleading information distributed by these defendants has been posted on widely visited financial Internet message boards including Yahoo! Finance, Raging Bull and others. The information has included, but is not limited to, fraudulent statements about the financial condition and business activities of the company, erroneous information about the company's products, partners and customers, and personal attacks against the company's management, board of directors and employees. The lawsuit is designed to stop these individuals and/or firms from continuing these illegal activities as well as to seek the full measure of damages and other remedies permitted by law.
"While Eagle Broadband fully respects individuals' right to free speech, we will not tolerate deliberate misinformation campaigns that disseminate false and fraudulent statements that damage the company, our shareholders and the value of our stock," said David Micek, President and CEO of Eagle Broadband.
Micek continued, "The internal committee we previously formed to investigate improper trading activities has uncovered solid evidence of fraudulent and defamatory information being posted on various Internet sites. While we support the use of the Internet to discuss the company and its progress, we believe it is now appropriate to aggressively pursue all available regulatory and legal remedies against those engaging in these illegal schemes. Our goal is to do everything we can to put a stop to these illegal activities and seek maximum damages for the benefit of Eagle and its shareholders."
"As the company remains focused on growing the business, our internal committee and legal team will continue to closely monitor the online message boards, and we will remain extremely vigilant in our efforts to uncover and take action against any individuals or firms engaged in these illegal activities," Micek added.
About Eagle Broadband
Eagle Broadband is a leading provider of broadband, Internet Protocol (IP) and communications technology and services that create new revenue opportunities for broadband providers and enhance communications for government, military and enterprise customers. Eagle leverages years of proven experience delivering advanced, IP-based broadband bundled services to provide service provider partners with a way to deliver next generation entertainment, communications and security services to their subscribers. The company's product offerings include IPTVComplete(TM), the fastest, lowest cost way for broadband providers to deliver the most competitive IP video services; the MediaPro line of HDTV-ready IP set-top boxes that enable broadband providers and hotel operators to maximize revenues by delivering state-of-the-art, interactive entertainment services; and the SatMAX(TM) satellite communications system that provides government, military, homeland security and enterprise customers with reliable non-line-of-sight voice and data communications from any location on Earth. The company is headquartered in Houston, Texas. For more information, please visit www.eaglebroadband.com or call 281-538-6000. (EAGG)
Forward-looking statements in this release regarding Eagle Broadband, Inc. are made pursuant to the "safe harbor" provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, continued acceptance of the company's products, increased levels of competition, new products and technological changes, the company's dependence upon third-party suppliers, intellectual property rights, and other risks detailed from time to time in the company's periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contact: Eagle Broadband Frederick Reynolds, 281-538-6000 freynolds*eaglebroadband.com or CWR & Partners Ronnie Welch, 508-222-4802 ronnie*cwrpartners.com
Posted by ed19363 on :
So if you cant make money selling your stock, you go after any stockholder who has a negative opinion of your company?
So much for the Constitution. We may as well burn it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"negative opinion" LOL LOL LOL Ha ha ha I can't stop laughing ed.
Posted by Ric on :
Looks like legal and these others trying to pass off these false theories as truths better watch out for fear of lawsuits to me. It can work both ways. False statements are false statements.
Also making false claims of assets that they have with no proof they do like diamonds. Being that there is a 8-K that said they found nothing in the holes drilled and a financial statement from the trial saying they have nothing.
Yet these cult members will push these false rumors of assets and settlements as though they were real. Leagal sting operations, Acca's buyout, Jay's plane about to land, Willy's party about a settlement that didn't happen, Sterling's WE have diamonds and other minerals.
A false statement works both ways whether it is negative or positive. The intent is the same to manipulate the holders of the stock to sell, hold, or buy. And I hope once the revocation sets in that the 50,000 shareholders see who helped UC in this scam into buying and holding this stock.
[ October 05, 2005, 12:43: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Ric on :
This Is so misleading it is pathetic. What is his proof that Edwards owns everyone of these and also they are shareholders of record so UC had to give it to them.
But heres the misleading part. Lets start with the first one. ABDU did get 1 billion shares but turned right around and sold them and holds no other shares. They were never restricted shares. The whole list is this way. 300 billion share may have been given but are no longer held. It sounds to me the way these shares were given and sold is it was to get cash for UC. I mean how did UC get all the money and CMKX got none. The only thing they did was give away shares. Even if it was Edwards, then who is to say that they weren't in it together. Edwards sells the shares and splits the money with UC. Make up tons of companies to filter it through so it would be hard to trace.
IMO, all this fight with the SEC is a way to try and hide the books the best he can before having to run. IMO
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: From "Columbo" List
List of Edwards Companies and Assigns On CMKX Master Shareholders list.
Company Name Shares Issued
ABDU 1,000,000,000 AGAP Serene 6,659,000,000 Alberta Resource Consortium 12,000,000,000 Albert Finch and Associates 8,000,000,000 Aruma Mining Inc 2,070,000,000 Barrington Foods Trust 200,000,000 Bazarro Gears 1,070,000,000 Berama Giorgio 3,756,168,000 British Columbia Mining Syndicate 8,000,000,000 Broadleaf Capital Trust 200,000,000 Canadian Tundra Resources 2,300,000,000 Chen Trust 1,100,000,000 Anita Cohen 4,000,000,000 Consistorium Patruum 7,140,000,000 Dela norte Trading Langley 4,391,500,000 Del la Norte Trading (Vegas) 400,000,000 Docket Reporting Services 8,000,000,000 Doyle Trust 4,400,000,000 Elan First Merchant (Langley) 2,183,009,571 Elan First Merchant (Vegas) 1,080,000,000 Eleta Brunelle (Langley) 1,972,084,000 Eleta Brunelle (Langley) 140,056,000 Jules Englehardt Trust 4,760,000,000 Eton Properties 30,958,346,596 Fastraxx 200,000,000 Faza Gee Industrial 4,346,465,996 Feasibility Studies International 714,000,000 Feasibility Mining Services 6,000,000,000 First Colony Merchant 20,000,000 Futula Alloys Inc. 1,500,000,000 Futula Alloys Inc. (Vegas) 240,000,000 Giorgio Metals 2,070,000,000 GM Steel Trust 23,850,000,000 Guardian Security Trust 200,000,000 Hiaget Gears 1,500,000,000 Huntion Trading 2,331,033,600 Inde Enterprises (Vegas) 327,000,000 Inde Enterprises (Langley) 1,220,000,000 Industrichem Trust 200,000,000 Inov8mobile Trust 200,000,000 ITC trust 200,000,000 Jasmine Tree Farms (Langley) 1,070,000,000 John Di Properties 6,940,000,000 Jt Trust 1,500,000,000 Juina Mining Trust 200,000,000 Jules Englehardt 4,760,000,000 Jules Englehardt Inc 1,600,000,000 Jules Englehardt Inc. Trust 465,500,000 Kart Trust 3,000,000,000 Jeannie Kinney 8,000,000,000 Kolba Meadmakers (Langley) 870,000,000 Kolba Meadmakers (Vegas) 80,000,000 Lajolla Leathers 870,000,000 Loan and Development Corporation 1,657,142,857 Lajolla Leathers (Vegas) 80,000,000 Mantica Trust 200,000,000 McClendon Transportation Trust 200,000,000 MCM Trust 1,500,000,000 Mineral West Associates 12,000,000,000 Moncom Enterprises (Langley) 9,704,382,283 NoAngel Glass (Langley) 950,000,000 Oles Books 1,070,000,000 Ortech Trust 200,000,000 Patruum Services 6,000,000,000 PTI Trust 27,715,067,030 Quapple Toffee (Langley) 950,000,000 Reginella Tackle Inc. 950,000,000 Anthony Rick 6,000,000 Anthony Rick acct 2 1,600,000,000 Eton Properties Anthony / Ormstead 400,000,000 Frank Ormstead 6,000,000 Sandias Azucara 500,000,000 Saskatchewan Mineral Developments 8,000,000,000 Shareholder Relations USA 7,295,250,000 Suerlan Gezebos 1,070,000,000 Tobian Trading (Langley) 8,166,394,407 Tobian Trading (Vegas) 160,000,000 Vidmar Limited Trust 3,500,000,000 Viford Trading (Langley) 5,252,112,308 Viford Trading Trust (Vegas) 134,900,000 Wakefield Services Corporation 16,262,858
Issued Totals for Edwards Companies 289,537,675,506
Posted by legaleagle on :
It's all in the DD Ric.
part2; edit add 10/5, 8:12 am
Connections: Dhonau, Edwards, Hackman, Haines, Aztec, Cammell et al
PO Box 27740 -------------------à Las Vegas, NV 89126 This is the same Address as NEVADA CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS links Edwards to Nevada Corporate Headquarters
Majesty Real Estate Services (Revoked 3/1/2005)
John Edwards- Manager
PO Box 27740 -------------------à Las Vegas, NV 89126 This is the same Address as NEVADA CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS links Edwards to Nevada Corporate Headquarters
Resident Agent – Bruce Thompson Pres, Sec, Treasurer – John Edwards
Note Edwards Address: 3651 Lindell Ste A Las Vegas, NV 89103 Lindell was the address used by Coffey companies: Coffey Realty, Web Street Journal.com (As per Website registration whois search), Complete Spectrum Financial Services
Registering Agent – John Lee Active Officers – John Lee Historical Officers – Ian A McIntyre (formerly with CMKM)
Note Address in Secretary of State 7500 West Lake Mead Blvd.Suite 9627 Las Vegas, NV 89128 (Also Former address of CMKI/CMKX)
CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. Suite 9627 7500 West Lake Mead Boulevard Las Vegas NEVADA 89128 Phone: +1 702 683-3722 (cell phone number)
Note Address of First Colony in SEC filings First Colony Merchant c/o John Edwards 6767 W. Tropicana Avenue #203 Las Vegas, NV 89103 (See below)
The West Mead address is significant as it is the same address as shows up on the registration documents from the SOS of Nevada for Web Street Journal.com, yet the same companies business address in a whois search of Webstreetjournal.com shows the address as :
Registrant: The Web Street Journal Inc. 3651 Lindell Road Suite H Las Vegas, Nevada NV 89103 US Phone: 999 999 9999 Fax: 999 999 9999
This shows a connection between John Lee, Ian McIntyre, John Edwards, David Coffey and Timothy Cammell / Cammel. By association we can also tie in Nevada Corporate Headquarters, and Campbell Mello Associates
The following documents were found using a web crawler of historical web sites of Nevada Corporate Headquarters:
3651 Lindell Ste A Las Vegas, NV 89103 Lindell was the address used by Coffey companies: Coffey Realty, Web Street Journal.com (As per Website registration whois search), Complete Spectrum Financial Services Global Business Solutions also ran out of this same address.
Further to the address issue:
6767 West Tropicana Ave. is listed as an office address for Complete Spectrum Lending LLC, and First Colony Merchant, although First Colony is in Suite 203 as opposed to Suite #216 of Spectrum and First Wall Street Brokers. First Wall Street Brokers is located in the White Pages when doing a reverse phone number search for Complete Spectrum Lending LLC, a David Coffey Company. First Wall Street Brokers is listed as Suite #206.
White pages listing for reverse phone search of (702) 248-1040 First Wall Street Brokers 6767 W Tropicana Ave Suite #206 Las Vegas, NV 89103 (702) 248-1040
NOTE: Since May 31st, 2005 this listing phone number has been changed.
Further to Timothy Cammel /Cammell he appears on the following companys:
CMKI - as a consultant with James Kenny on CMKI for which each received 500,000,000 shares at a time when the price was elevated. (Six Month Contract)
Environmental Monitoring and Testing w/ John Edwards (Currently a shell under a new name Netchoice Inc.). Before the recent changes Cammel was named secretary and director of Environmental, and then subsequently he became sole officer that being president.
Original Tundra Address: 8275 South Eastern Avenue, Las Vegas, Nevada 89123 (Address of principal executive offices and Zip Code)
https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpDetails.aspx?CorpID=330943 Note the resident agent address was Nevada Corporate Headquarters, with Bruce Thompson agent preceding that. Current officer Ronald Sloan has address of Nevada Corporate Headquarters under his name. Mr.Thompson had 67 companies which all were revoked by the Secretary of State of Nevada.
Notice the address: *Paid $150 a month rent in 2003 6767 West Tropicana Avenue Suite 203 Las Vegas, Nevada 89123 (Address of Principal Executive Office) (702) 682-3330 SAME ADDRESS AS FIRST COLONY MERCHANT http://www.secinfo.com/d123Y7.22u.htm?Find=Cammel&Line=2457#Line2457
Cammell was named president and this company is a shell that was audited by David E Coffey as well.
Note Coffey’s Address: David E. Coffey 6767 West Tropicana Avenue, Suite 203, Las Vegas, Nevada 89103 Certified Public Accountant Phone (702) 871-3979 FAX (702) 871-6769
Note Coffey’s other address in different filings for the same company: David E. Coffey Certified Public Accountant 3651 Lindell Road, Suite I Las Vegas, Nevada 89103 (702) 871-3979
Recall the address for First Colony Merchants (John Edwards) is First Colony Merchant c/o John Edwards 6767 W. Tropicana Avenue #203 Las Vegas, NV 89103
SEC Documents connect John Edwards to First Colony Merchant / Tobian Trading Ltd. / Owen Sequoia Inc / Aurum LLC by Acquitaine Trust
Reverse search on number for Timothy Cammell phone number (702) 938-0460 from 2002 Tundra Resources filing shows a record for Mortgage Capital Group Inc.
The past president of Tundra preceding was a man named James R. Ardoin and his number is also listed as (702) 938-0460.
It appears that these gentlemen may have been directly involved in Mortgage Capital Group. This was a foreign designated company registered in Nevada.
However the Mortgage Grapevine,states that this company was in trouble and lost their certification to do mortgages.
MANY MORTAGEES LOST HUD APPROVAL TO DO TITLE II LOANS. HERE IS LIST
On February 26, 2004 HUD published the list of Mortgagees that lost Title I and Title II approval. I am setting forth the list of Title II lenders only. These are the ones that lost approval between the fiscal year October 1, 2002 and September 30, 2003. The approval was lost because of failure to file the annual certified report and/or pay the recertification fee. Whatever the reason you may want to check if they are reinstated and the reason they did not submit the information timely. Especially if you are submitting loans to any of these mortgagees.
The address then changes to: 6767 West Tropicana Avenue, Suite 203, Las Vegas, Nevada 89103 (Address of Principal Executive Office) Same address as First Colony Merchant (Edwards), and Tundra Resources.
IMPORTANT! PLEASE NOTE
In the SEC filings this company is represented as a blank cheque company. As you have seen in the links above, this company remains in the name of Catherine Ratelle in the Nevada Secretary of State records, yet Mr. Cammell is stated as president of the company on March 31. In fact Mr.Cammell signed a late filing document on that date. Yet on Sept 18th 2003, Ms Ratelle was listed as president on the SEC filing. Mr Cammell has never been listed as an officer with the State of Nevada. Seems someone is filing false misleading filings with the SEC!
Also note the pattern of Levine Bagel and Associates pattern of replacing a “fired” David Coffey rears its head again in this company.
On June 15, 2004, David E. Coffey, Certified Public Accountant (“Coffey”) was dismissed as the independent registered public accounting firm for 2TheMax.Com, Inc. (the “Company”). Effective on October 5, 2004, Bagell, Josephs & Company, LLC was appointed as the new independent registered public accounting firm for the Company. The decision to dismiss Coffey and to appoint Bagell, Josephs & Company, LLC was recommended and approved by the Company’s Board of Directors
NOTE E ACQUISITION OF SUBSIDIARIES On January 10, 2003, the Board of Directors of Eurosoft Corporation approved the issuance of 104,000 shares of its common stock to the shareholders of Bing Research Corp. in exchange for all of the outstanding shares of common stock in Bing Research Corp. There were 1,741,753 shares of Bing Research Corp. outstanding at the time of this exchange. After the exchange, Bing Research Corp. became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Eurosoft Corporation. On March 19, 2003, the Board of Directors and Shareholders approved a merger agreement between the Company and E-Quest Express Corp., a Nevada corporation. In accordance with terms of the merger agreement Eurosoft Corporation exchanged 49,502,737 shares of its common stock for 49,502,737 shares of E-Quest Express Corp. common stock. After the exchange, E-Quest Express Corp. became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Eurosoft Corporation
Subsequently the company reverse split 1-100 on March 19th, 2003 Cammell is the last reported officer of the company and Mr.Coffey’s last letter is addressed to the Board of Directors in Florida. Mr.Edward’s address is the last shown address on the Sec filings. The Nevada Secretary of State office was never updated that Mr. Cammell was the President and sole officer up to the time of revocation with the Nevada Secretary of state.
They have had no operations since a reorganization in 2000 but did sell shares after that point, and did a reverse split in 2003. The company now appears dormant. Mr.Coffey has not resigned or been “fired” to date.
Bruce Thompson was resident of E-Quest, in 2003, and the Nevada Corporate Headquarters resigned on Feb 20th, 2004, as it did with all other Thompson Companies. Further to Eurosoft Donald Haines is the registered agent in Florida in the Secretary of State site. Mr. Haines is connected to David E. Coffey through, Holmes Herbs.
http://www.secinfo.com/d123Y7.4f8A7.htm?Find=Haines&Line=99#Line99 Note The address for Holmes Herbs is: Address of principal executive office: Tundra Group HSE, 8275 South Eastern Avenue, Las Vegas, Nevada 89123 Same original address as Tundra Resources and 2themax.com
Mr Haines other Ventures
Registered Agent Eurosoft (Florida) HAINES, DONALD 703 LUCERNE AVE., STE. 201 LAKE WORTH FL 33460 Name Changed: 11/12/2004 Address Changed: 11/12/2004
Officer/Director Detail Name & Address Title HAINES, DONALD 703 LUCERNE AVE., STE. 201 LAKE WORTH FL 33460 US DPS
Mr. Haines is also the former Resident Agent of St. George Metals on August 6th, 2004 and has since been replaced by Mark Giebelhaus
Note address of Netchoice Inc. (Formerly Environmental Testing) 1350 E Flamingo Rd. #688 Las Vegas Nevada 89119 Same as St.George Metals!!!!! (SGGM) http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=NTCH.OB
Mining Feasibility Corporation :
This company is also a Donald Haines corporation based in Nevada.
Note the address: 7500 West Lake Mead Blvd Las Vegas NV 89128
Same address as First Colony Merchant (John Edwards)
If your going to bring a hot stock over to another board why not at least post a REAL hot stock not one the is up a little. GZFX is over 500% up and on a roll with hot news.
Posted by Ric on :
I guess the pump got deleted, lol.
Posted by Ric on :
As I said legal, even if every one of those companies are his then it still looks more like money laundering then anything else. It is funny how UC winds up with all the cash and CMKX gets the shaft. But thats right UC is hiding the money from the bad guys, but that still doesn't answer how he got it unless he had someone to sell shares for him and they give UC the money back. This is too easy to see if you take off the blinders. You people are setting up the facts against UC and don't even realize it, lol.
Posted by legaleagle on :
phxgold God of Diamonds
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Joined: Dec 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 668 Re: Edwards Companies « Reply #9 on Yesterday at 11:17pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- on 8/18/2004 the O/S was 460,306,934,970 that is the day CMKX raised the A/S to 800B if those numbers are correct then edwards controlled 62.9% of cmkx O/S before the A/S increase. That would make him a majority shareholder. That would make his shares controlled shares, under reg 144.
"Control securities are those held by an affiliate of the issuing company. An affiliate is a person, such as a director or large shareholder, in a relationship of control with the issuer. Control means the power to direct the management and policies of the company in question, whether through the ownership of voting securities, by contract, or otherwise. If you buy securities from a controlling person or "affiliate," you take restricted securities, even if they were not restricted in the affiliate's hands."
What Are the Conditions of Rule 144?
If you want to sell your restricted or control securities to the public, you can follow the conditions set forth in Rule 144. The rule is not the exclusive means for selling restricted or control securities, but provides a "safe harbor" exemption to sellers. The rule's five conditions are summarized below:
1. Holding Period . Before you may sell restricted securities in the marketplace, you must hold them for at least one year. The one-year period holding period begins when the securities were bought and fully paid for. The holding period only applies to restricted securities. Because securities acquired in the public market are not restricted, there is no holding period for an affiliate who purchases securities of the issuer in the marketplace. But an affiliate's resale is subject to the other conditions of the rule.
Additional securities purchased from the issuer do not affect the holding period of previously purchased securities of the same class. If you purchased restricted securities from another non-affiliate, you can tack on that non-affiliate's holding period to your holding period. For gifts made by an affiliate, the holding period begins when the affiliate acquired the securities and not on the date of the gift. In the case of a stock option, such as one an employee receives, the holding period always begins as of the date the option is exercised and not the date it is granted.
2. Adequate Current Information . There must be adequate current information about the issuer of the securities before the sale can be made. This generally means the issuer has complied with the periodic reporting requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
3. Trading Volume Formula . After the one-year holding period, the number of shares you may sell during any three-month period can't exceed the greater of 1% of the outstanding shares of the same class being sold, or if the class is listed on a stock exchange or quoted on Nasdaq, the greater of 1% or the average reported weekly trading volume during the four weeks preceding the filing a notice of the sale on Form 144. Over-the-counter stocks, including those quoted on the OTC Bulletin Board and the Pink Sheets, can only be sold using the 1% measurement.
4. Ordinary Brokerage Transactions . The sales must be handled in all respects as routine trading transactions, and brokers may not receive more than a normal commission. Neither the seller nor the broker can solicit orders to buy the securities.
5. Filing Notice With the SEC . At the time you place your order, you must file a notice with the SEC on Form 144 if the sale involves more than 500 shares or the aggregate dollar amount is greater than $10,000 in any three-month period. The sale must take place within three months of filing the Form and, if the securities have not been sold, you must file an amended notice.
If you are not an affiliate of the issuer and have held restricted securities for two years, you can sell them without regard to the above conditions. Can the Securities Be Sold Publicly If the Conditions of Rule 144 Have Been Met?
Even if you have met the conditions of Rule 144, you can't sell your restricted securities to the public until you've gotten the legend removed from the certificate. Only a transfer agent can remove a restrictive legend. But the transfer agent won't remove the legend unless you've obtained the consent of the issuer—usually in the form of an opinion letter from the issuer's counsel—that the restricted legend can be removed. Unless this happens, the transfer agent doesn't have the authority to remove the legend and execute the trade in the marketplace.
To begin the process, an investor should contact the company that issued the securities, or the transfer agent of the company's securities, to ask about the procedures for removing a legend. Since removing the legend can be a complicated process, if you're considering buying or selling a restricted security, it would be wise for you to consult an attorney who specializes in securities law. What If a Dispute Arises Over Whether I Can Remove the Legend?
If a dispute arises about whether a restricted legend can be removed, the SEC will not intervene. The removal of a legend is a matter solely in the discretion of the issuer of the securities. State law, not federal law, covers disputes about the removal of legends. Thus, the SEC will not take action in any decision or dispute about removing a restrictive legend.
Thats why I think this thingie with crown might have happened. Someone shorted against theyre shares.
I also think Urbie might have found this and trapped them (Remember the A/S Increase to 800B shares didnt have a vote? well lookie here)
"The authorization of additional shares of Common Stock will enable the Company to meet its obligations under the various employee benefit plans, employment arrangements and outstanding options and warrants and issue options, awards and warrants in the future. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!In addition, the proposed amendment will give the Board of Directors flexibility to authorize the issuance of shares of Common Stock and Preferred Stock in the future for financing the Company's business, for acquiring other businesses, for forming strategic partnerships and alliances and for stock dividends and stock splits.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Approval of the proposal will permit the Board of Directors to issue additional shares of Common Stock and Preferred Stock without further approval of the stockholders of the Company; and the Board of Directors does not intend
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to seek stockholder approval prior to any issuance of the authorized capital stock unless stockholder approval is required by applicable law or stock market or exchange requirements. Although the Company from time to time reviews various transactions that could result in the issuance of Common Stock or Preferred Stock, the Company is not a party to any agreement to issue additional shares of its capital stock, except as may be required in connection with the exercise of existing outstanding options and warrants or upon a proposed financing that will require the Company to issue shares of Common Stock on conversion of certain notes and on exercise of certain warrants, or in connection with options and other stock based awards which may be issued under the Company's 1998 Performance Equity Plan or under any other plan or arrangement the Board of Directors may hereafter approve.
Looks like they might have ammended the articles to not require a Vote to increase the A/S. I dunno ~Phx
Posted by Ric on :
He might want to double check his figures there. Thats Phx's problem he runs off the mouth without knowing what he is talking about like the Indians and the 300 shareholders.
Some of those companies recieved shares after that date. Some were not restricted, some were sold before that date. HE DID NOT OWN 63% at anyone time. duh
Talking about passing off false statements again.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: He might want to double check his figures there. Thats Phx's problem he runs off the mouth without knowing what he is talking about like the Indians and the 300 shareholders.
I'll have him check with you before he posts any more of his nonsense. LOL
Posted by Ric on :
Maybe he should.
Posted by Ric on :
Actually, looking at the master shareholders list so far I haven't even found but one of the companies holding during that time and only about 5% of them being restricted. Most were free trading shares. I thought he was at least a little better at dd then that even though most of what he says is proven false.
Posted by Ric on :
I find it interesting that several of those companies actually recieved shares 2 days after the raise in a/s. And all free trading shares. The cult is making a great case for money laundering IMO.
Posted by Ric on :
By the way legal I have the Master Shareholders list in cert order and Name order. It only tales a few seconds for me to tell you what any company got and sold in this stock.
For example:
Issued 10,162 3/4/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 4,000,000,000 Issued 15,017 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,018 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,019 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,020 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,021 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,022 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,023 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,024 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV 500,000,000 Surrendered 10,162 3/19/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (4,000,000,000) Surrendered 15,017 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,018 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,019 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,020 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,021 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,022 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,023 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,024 8/20/2004 Albert Finch & Associates NV (500,000,000)
Issued 10,163 3/4/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 4,000,000,000 Issued 15,009 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,010 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,011 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,012 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,013 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,014 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,015 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Issued 15,016 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV 500,000,000 Surrendered 10,163 3/19/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (4,000,000,000) Surrendered 15,009 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,010 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,011 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,012 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,013 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,014 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,015 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000) Surrendered 15,016 8/20/2004 British Columbian Mining Syndica NV (500,000,000)
Posted by Ric on :
Phx just make a joke out of himself with that post, lol.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Phx just make a joke out of himself with that post, lol.
Ric, that was Columbo with the shares post. Not Phxgold.
Posted by Ric on :
I was talking about the owning 63% OF O/S and being majority shareholder during the 400 to 800 billion a/s increase. I know that I was hard on him in the statements above but it was his answer to when his last theory about the 300 shareholders that really made me think of him that way. When he wrote that Indians could have those names to try and cover up he was wrong. He should have just said oops sorry and went on. But he wants everyone to think he is better then anyone else and that he is never wrong. Problem being is that he is almost always wrong. He should but more energy in finding the truth and less in theories. Even if it means proving this is a bad investment. But he can't like many others. They rather disregard the facts as not knowing the whole picture and make up their own facts.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: I was talking about the owning 63% OF O/S and being majority shareholder during the 400 to 800 billion a/s increase. I know that I was hard on him in the statements above but it was his answer to when his last theory about the 300 shareholders that really made me think of him that way. When he wrote that Indians could have those names to try and cover up he was wrong. He should have just said oops sorry and went on. But he wants everyone to think he is better then anyone else and that he is never wrong. Problem being is that he is almost always wrong. He should but more energy in finding the truth and less in theories. Even if it means proving this is a bad investment. But he can't like many others. They rather disregard the facts as not knowing the whole picture and make up their own facts.
I think I told you back then, that it was Jay_Adobe and Abadgoodgirl who were pushing the Indian thing, not Phxgold
Posted by legaleagle on :
Bashers having a rough day. Number 2
Bashers Having a Bad Day (Number 2) « Thread Started on Today at 2:28pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great West Gold Considers Filing of Lawsuit Wednesday October 5, 3:03 pm ET Company Believes That Certain Internet Posters are Engaged in Illegal Trading Activities & Stock Manipulation Schemes
NEW YORK, Oct. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Great West Gold, Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: GWGO - News) announced today that the Company is considering filing a lawsuit containing claims for defamation and unfair business practices against a number of anonymous "John Doe" defendants, their pseudonyms being well known to the Company and its investigators, alleging that these defendants have distributed false, fraudulent and misleading misinformation on Internet message boards in an effort to damage Great West Gold Inc.'s business and its shareholders, and to drive down the value of its stock in order to reap profits for themselves. ADVERTISEMENT
The Company to Aggressively Seek Damages and Injunctive Relief to Ban Posters from Distributing False, Fraudulent and Misleading Information Designed to Damage the Company, its Shareholders and the price of its Stock.
The company has, for a period of time, been monitoring the postings by these individuals and is at this time gathering evidence that these posters have engaged in unlawful activities and is seeking monetary and punitive damages from these individuals and/or firms who have engaged in deliberate misinformation campaigns designed to drive down the price of the company's stock in an apparent attempt to capture illegal gains from short sales.
The fraudulent and misleading information distributed by these defendants has been posted on widely visited financial Internet message boards including Yahoo! Finance, Raging Bull and others. The information has included, but is not limited to, fraudulent statements about the financial condition and business activities of the company, erroneous information about the company's products, partners and customers, and personal attacks against the company's management, board of directors and employees. The possible lawsuit would be designed to stop these individuals and/or firms from continuing these illegal activities as well as to seek the full measure of damages and other remedies permitted by law.
"While Great West Gold, Inc. fully respects individuals' right to free speech, we will not tolerate deliberate misinformation campaigns that disseminate false and fraudulent statements that damage the company, our shareholders and the value of our stock," said Richard Axtell, the Chairman of Great West Gold, Inc.
"The Company's investigations to date have in respect of improper trading activities has uncovered solid evidence of fraudulent and defamatory information being posted on various Internet sites. While we support the use of the Internet to discuss the company and its progress, we believe it is now appropriate to aggressively pursue all available regulatory and legal remedies against those engaging in these illegal schemes. Our goal is to do everything we can to put a stop to these illegal activities and seek maximum damages for the benefit of the Company and its shareholders."
"As the company remains focused on the restructuring of the business, our Management and legal team will continue to closely monitor the online message boards, and we will remain extremely vigilant in our efforts to uncover and take action against any individuals or firms engaged in these illegal activities."
This announcement is neither an offer to sell nor a solicitation of an offer to buy any of these securities.
About Great West Gold, Inc.:
Great West Gold, Inc. (www.greatwestgold.com) is a gold exploration company that has acquired certain rights to mine for minerals, primarily gold, in Arizona. Statements contained in this press release, which are not historical facts, are forward-looking statements as that term is defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based largely on the Company's expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties beyond the Company's control, including but not limited to economic, competitive and other factors affecting the Company's operations, management team effectiveness, expansion strategies, available financing, market prices and recovery costs, government regulations involving the Company, facts and events not known at the time of this release, and other factors discussed in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date of this release. The Company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements.
This release was issued through Major Newswire (http://www.majornewswire.com)
Posted by Upside on :
Columbo? Phxgold? Jay Adobe? Abadgoodgirl? Geez, what happened to the good old days when there was only Sterling to make fun of with his double short theory? That was bad enough but now there's this new crop with the ten little Indian theory and who knows what else. Ahh how I long for the old days when things were so much simpler. Too much to keep track of nowadays.
Posted by bill1352 on :
GWGO is the company Stockster was asking about. they have over 12.3 billion in the o/s. they are taking the only things that might have value putting them in a second company with just under 1 billion in the o/s & giving it out as a divy. the value stuff is gold claims, nothing is found the last i checked a few months ago. if i remember the filing about 4 months ago said they were going to consolidate the shares of GWGO after the divy...the fancy word for r/s. so now the company thinks ppl are bashing the stock & hurting its pps.....what was that line about laughing legal used??? i think it was "can't stop".
Posted by bill1352 on :
as for Edwards...him & UC had to be in on this dumping together. Edwards can't give himself those shares. UC can't just give himself those shares & sell them. UC had to have somebody with a large number of places to place those shares & then have them sell the shares. as has been pointed out by a few of the basher boys they call that money laundering or share laundering as this case went. & no matter what the cult wants to think the only person that could release those shares is UC. that half-azz general ledger sure didn't have the cash coming in from 703 billion shares listed. if you want to believe the person that went to that canadian mining show every company in the area of the claims said cmkx is a scam. but of course they don't know what they are talking about. they are all just jealous & really just want to take UC down so that they can get his claims. the only ppl that know the truth are the few hundred cult members left. every stock person, SEC person, mining person, auditor, the t/a that has any knowledge of anything to do with cmkx that doesn't spell out shareholders getting rich is out to get UC & cheat the cmkx shareholders.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: as for Edwards...him & UC had to be in on this dumping together. Edwards can't give himself those shares. UC can't just give himself those shares & sell them. UC had to have somebody with a large number of places to place those shares & then have them sell the shares. as has been pointed out by a few of the basher boys they call that money laundering or share laundering as this case went. & no matter what the cult wants to think the only person that could release those shares is UC. that half-azz general ledger sure didn't have the cash coming in from 703 billion shares listed. if you want to believe the person that went to that canadian mining show every company in the area of the claims said cmkx is a scam. but of course they don't know what they are talking about. they are all just jealous & really just want to take UC down so that they can get his claims. the only ppl that know the truth are the few hundred cult members left. every stock person, SEC person, mining person, auditor, the t/a that has any knowledge of anything to do with cmkx that doesn't spell out shareholders getting rich is out to get UC & cheat the cmkx shareholders.
Exactly.
Posted by ed19363 on :
15 days to the PR. That is if Andy has his calendar on the correct year.
ANDY'S LATEST MESSAGE
Hello CMKX'r...Welcome to October. IGNORE the NEGATIVE sentiment no matter what! TRUST the TEAM. The TEAM will SPEAK asap between now and Oct. 20. Keep "eachother POSITIVE!"
Posted by stockster5 on :
BILL1352... you are right. But gwgo announced that they are dumping all claims over to the new company and then dishing out all of gwgo's shares to shareholders of record.....in the new company name. Is that going to be a reverse split you think. maybe a reverse to forward split.
btw..how did you know...?? google search? nice job.
S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Legal's post about gwgo is interesting as I think the wording is the same as a pr over a year ago. Gwgo complained about being listed on the german board without permission. Hmmm I think I have to do some research when I get home and see if gwgo did some share flipping after that bremen pr. thanks for the input. S5
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Bashers having a rough day. Number 2"
legal,
There's a big difference between perpetrating false information and lies as opposed to someone pointing out the true and verifiable facts that detract from a company's position, value, honesty, credibility, etc. To say that UC took the 5th (a fact) is not bashing. It merely states an extremely negative factor about credibility. There are too many similar factors involving UC, CMKX and associates that also bear upon that topic, none of which are favorable. Pointing them out is not bashing. I am dismayed and disappointed in your innate and unfortunate need or desire to link or combine all opinions with which you disagree into one of a "basher".
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "Bashers having a rough day. Number 2"
legal,
There's a big difference between perpetrating false information and lies as opposed to someone pointing out the true and verifiable facts that detract from a company's position, value, honesty, credibility, etc. To say that UC took the 5th (a fact) is not bashing. It merely states an extremely negative factor about credibility. There are too many similar factors involving UC, CMKX and associates that also bear upon that topic, none of which are favorable. Pointing them out is not bashing. I am dismayed and disappointed in your innate and unfortunate need or desire to link or combine all opinions with which you disagree into one of a "basher".
Wallace I didn't name anyone or even mention people in this room. If my post had been designed to call the dogs out of the woods, it seems to have worked.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Trying to pry info out of the company isnt illegal either. Nor is having an opinion that the CEO is acting like a crook, or the stock looks like a pump-and-dump scam. It sounds like those people did something to influence the PPS of those stocks, but not knowing what leaves me in the dark. Since I still hold CMKX, I'd love to see something positive come out of all this, but I cant see any light from this end of the tunnel.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Wallace I didn't name anyone or even mention people in this room."
legal, you did not have to name or mention anyone specifically. By posting something that was completely foreign to anything said on this thread you insinuated or suggested an untruth. Hell, it's too damn easy to tell the truth and present the negative, so there is no need to misrepresent or lie. Now, in addition to the 5th, the Form 15 was a lie, the address was a lie, the PRs were either purposely misleading or absolute untruths, the lack of records is a fact, UC's managerial abilities are completely lacking as per his very own admission, he and many of his associates have questionable past records, there is no explanation for all the monies that passed through CMKX, auditors quit and suggested legal improprieties, jade collections that may or may not have vanished without proper recordings, missing information in the General Ledger, questionable use of company funds for race cars/equipment, wife signing company checks when she was not an officer, conflicts of interest dealings with family members, shares issued for unknown purposes and to family members as well, dumping of shares into the market and on and on. All those things are facts and truths, legal. Yet you want to stay in la la land and suggest that such things are misrepresentations or lies by the content of your posts. What are you trying to say or prove with such posts? If anything, it would apply to pumpers and cult members such as yourself as far as lies and misinformation are concerned. Practically every post is a fabrication in some form or another. All one has to do is read some of the posts on the CT site or any other site you and other known cult members frequent. None of you has the guts to go to Frizzy and his sponsor and say "go after everyone responsible, including UC and family, if they appear to be the culprits". Collectively, you are the three mice with paws over the eyes, ears and mouths....and, in you case, it is evil you will not see, hear or speak about.
PS: Or is it three monkeys?
Posted by Polarbear17 on :
Just by chance did any body notice that CMKX poped to .10 today at 3:55 pm. It shows up on my Choice trade acct and Yahoo. Was wondering if i was seeing something or was it a glich in the system.Just to be safe i put a sell order in for .05 tommrow. But if this is a scam my only lost will be the little $30.00 i have invested in this POS.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
hey polar bear does your choicetrade account have a real live ticker for when the market is open
Posted by Ric on :
The cult is trying to make the .10 as not an error but the MM's covering shorts. The huge problem I have with that is if there was a huge short which hasn't been proved as the cult suggests it wouldn't take .10 to cover it. All they would need to do is raise pps to .0002 and this thing would scream sells. Shoot .001 would cause a rush to the sell button. But really, why care. It is already revoked and the appeal hasn't got any teeth alone with no financial.
Theories on top of theories and never right. Maybe if they had a theory were UC ripped them off they could get one right.
Posted by legaleagle on :
People of character don't have to worry about law suits or Federal monitoring of these boards. Nor do they have to try and explain their posts. They are recorded and speak for themselves.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"People of character don't have to worry about law suits or Federal monitoring of these boards. Nor do they have to try and explain their posts. They are recorded and speak for themselves."
& this is why the cult needs to worry. i'm not saying the cult is a bunch of low life scum...just extremely dillusional folks that have lost their way. reality has left the building for the cult. this has caused them to post things that have no basis in anything like a fact. by my saying cmkx is a scam & UC a crook that cheated everey shareholder, that opinion is based on fact. no court would convict me of any wrong doing unless the jury was 12 cmkx cult members. for UC to call that slander, he would first have to prove i was wrong & according to your theory of this being a sting UC must make things look as if it was a scam & he is a crook. thus stating cmkx is a scam & UC a crook would be merely stating the obvious.
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by bill1352:
quote:no court would convict me of any wrong doing unless the jury was 12 cmkx cult members.
How's that for a jury of your peers?
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
OK people, whats up with this POS???? Volume is almost 6 Billion in the last 5 Trading days???? Who the hell buys or sells this POS anymore???? Better yet who can still be interested in this POS????
Posted by Ric on :
I think this is so funny because this is what most of us have been saying for six month just in reverse. It is amazing that legal can see this in reverse but not getting there. Even if you take the huge trading days of the past and avg it over the past 3 years ending 12/2004 it was under 1 billion shares a day over the three years. And since volume is doubled in pinksheets because they post both sells and buys then it is impossible to short CMKX that much and dump 703 billion shares on the market. Geeze why don't you prove our point for us.
Noahltl King of Diamonds
Joined: Sept 2005 Posts: 935 Re: noahltl and phxgold great job balancing the sh « Reply #12 on Today at 1:18pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gus, imo if there is forced cover going on, it has to be behind the scenes. On a NS of 2 trillion, and trades of a billion shares per day, it would take 2,000 trading days to cover. That's nearly 8 years. So I would have to go with some form of a SEC / DTCC brokered agreement with the principals.
Posted by Ric on :
Because these people like legal, Willy, Acca, Jay, and many others have brainwashed there followers into believing there is a forced cover or settlement coming sorry these poor brainwashed people believe they are getting a bargain at these prices. Alone with Andy telly them something will be announced soon.
quote:Originally posted by Bigrod40: OK people, whats up with this POS???? Volume is almost 6 Billion in the last 5 Trading days???? Who the hell buys or sells this POS anymore???? Better yet who can still be interested in this POS????
Once again it's all spelled out in plain language. How long is this thing going to hang on before they finally put the boot to it??
Posted by legaleagle on :
From Dr. D
Hi Everyone. - Yes this is a long post.
Needless to say the SEC has done its home work pretty well. Sad to say, but I don’t think anyone could have prepared a better brief than what Hakala put together. I don’t like the way she interprets what the Judge had ruled on concerning CMKX’s position of filing a fraudulent Form 15, acting with a high degree of scienter, and that their actions were egregious, but to make an argument is all kind of irrelevant without the company furnishing the filings.
Most of us understood that the company had a lot of hard work ahead of them and information to provide coming off of Judge Brenda’s initial decision to revoke and that the task ahead of the company would be great if they were going to be successful in stopping a revocation. Most agreed that with the additional time that an Appeals Process would provide, Urban, Mr. Maheu, Mrs. Herring, Mrs. Buck, Donald Stoecklein, and company would be able to at the very least provide an auditable rough draft to present in the company’s defense. We are still looking for its appearance and it still could come. I would think that apart from something tangible being delivered to the Commission, there is a very good chance that the revocation is going to be finalized.
If so, this is not the end for CMKX nor is it the end for the CMKX shareholders, it would however be an end to the current freedom that CMKXers have to trade their shares openly in the market place. [Exceptions can be made, but they are rare]. This does not make your shares “worthless” as many claim, for the value in your shares is not hidden in the tradability of the shares, but within the potential and ability of the company to bring value to your shares by increasing and developing our current and future assets, generating revenue, and negotiating settlements, mineral deals, etc… Just because the shares are not “tradable” in the market place does not mean that you can’t receive cash or share dividends or payments on the progress the company is making, including a possible and hopefully probable settlement to the NSS position.
Many have said that “no good thing can come out of a revocation” and I would like to submit a rebuttal to those statements. I would like to say first that a revocation would be unwelcome, a hindrance to the convenience of the shareholders trading, a black eye to the company and management, and a red flag to any companies possibly looking to invest in the development of CMKX’s assets. But…
A revocation would do one major thing…It would stop the free trading of CMKX shares and would freeze the NSS position to where it could no longer be covered or increased in the market place. It is a possibility that with a frozen NSS position in the market place and the company still developing our assets, acquiring new ones, generating future revenue from the American Mine Shaft, our United Carina 40%, our mineral rights in Saskatchewan, etc… One cash dividend to shareholders could send a message to “shorty” that would initiate or help force the market to move for a buy out of all CMKX shares through some entity or another. Every time the company would issue a dividend to the legitimate shareholders, “shorty” would have to cover the NSS shares being held by shareholders and shorty would have no hope of being able to gather these NSS in because there is no legal market that can be made on them. They would not even have any hope of recouping their losses by moving the PPS because there would be none. Thus a reasonable solution for “shorty” would be to make an offer to buy all shares of CMKX for xxxxxx amount of dollars – NSS position and legitimate combined.
Management could reluctantly negotiate and accept a complete buyout offer with the exclusion of the assets and mineral rights that would be transferred over into another company – possibly Ron Casavant’s CIM - with a provisional share distribution of CIM having already been made to shareholders of record from a year ago allowing the shareholders to follow the true value of the company and CMKX’s woes go away. [Yes, I would hope that a share distribution would be made available for new shareholders that have joined CMKX since the CIM dividend of a year ago and I would think it could easily be included].
If this scenario develops I would expect a possible immediate buy out by “shorty” of CMKX shareholders positions in an effort to stop the bleeding brought on by potential revenue or dividend disbursements from our assets. Remember that Maheu and Urban said they were focusing on “shareholder value, developing the assets, and acquiring new claims” and went on to specifically mention that they were not going to let the “regulatory issues detour them from their focus” and it appears they didn’t. So my hopeful guess is that they were busy working on building “shareholder value, developing the assets, and acquiring new claims” which would be a underlying asset to seeing this scenario unfold, IF a revocation were to take place.
The monies generated by such a buyout would go directly to the shareholders holding in electronic/NSS form and would be mailed out to the Certificate holders at the receipt of the signed sealed and delivered certificates.
Be sure and protect your CMKX holdings by keeping an updated broker statement, or preferably holding certificates. If a revocation takes place you can still request certificates on your CMKX electronic shares. Non tradable, does “not” mean they can’t be requested and transferred into your personal care by certificates. Usually certificates are paid first and are acceptable in a court of law as proof of ownership of a particular security if things get weirder than they already are. Broker statements are not acceptable regardless of opinion. Check and see that the state and federal laws make no provision for the use of a broker statement being acceptable as “proof of ownership”. I will not debate this issue again, but those that disagree should try to find one case where a broker statement has been admissible in court as proof of ownership or a state or federal law that states it is valid proof of ownership and admissible in a court of law. Happy hunting. A broker statement is a record of a contract that you have made with your broker that obligates your broker to provide you with the securities you purchased, but there is nothing to say or prove that your broker successfully accomplished his objective. That is what the cert does for you.
“If” the revocation takes place “and” CMKX is rendered non tradable, IMHO, certificates work best for all of us. Seeing we have a huge NSS position already, the transfer agent cannot possibly deliver on all requests for certificates, so it becomes first come first serve and the brokers fail to deliver on certificates they can’t hope to ever receive as there would be no more and seeing that the security is no longer trading in the market place. No way to cover, no where to hide, and 50,000 plus shareholders wanting their certs would or could, IMHO, initiate action and a possible buy out offer as a once for all resolution.
Just trying to point out a possible “silver lining” in the midst of the cloud.
Success is still at hand. These are all just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
Thank you.
Dr.D
Posted by Doctoall on :
It's Dead now let the folks recover, let them get on with getting back to reality.
Posted by glassman on :
reality can be very hard to find for some people Posted by ed19363 on :
Methinks Dr.D has some tarnish on his "silver lining". Some people are dead and too dumb to fall down.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Maybe we should start a new thread CMKX Is Finished Posted by stockster5 on :
this thread IS 96 pages. Perhaps 'CMKX the aftermath'
S5
Posted by Doctoall on :
CMKX Revoked Now What ???? good name for a thread
Posted by Doctoall on :
Any other ideas for a New Thread "Name" ?
Posted by will on :
Why not get personal with it, and mix legal's name in the thread title. Legal's shattered, theory, dream, whatever you like. Is it FINAL REVOCATION yet? Is the appeal process exhausted? Has the coup de grace been administered? There's your next title Coup de grace for legal's CMKX, you might be generous and leave legal's name out of it, or substitute CMKX pumpers coup de grace.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: this thread IS 96 pages. Perhaps 'CMKX the aftermath'
S5
I like this one. Question is, "Whose math?"
Posted by ed19363 on :
"I cant hear CMKX anymore"
Posted by legaleagle on :
You aren't listening. LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Here's one that will apply to a lot of people once the revocation is final:
"I get free cheese because of CMKX"
Posted by ed19363 on :
Is that "fumunda" cheese??
Posted by Upside on :
Fumunda what? Please don't say Melvin!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Fumunda wherever you can find it....LOL
Posted by Doctoall on :
So are we going to start a new thread, and if so who is to start it.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Any takers
Posted by Upside on :
Gotta agree on a thread name first. Let's let Legal start it!
Posted by Ric on :
Well, the scammy website got bought out and they aren't updating the site any more. Guess if you don't want your company to win the scammy award, buy it out. CMKX got 2nd place last year losing out to AFRT. Maybe we can dedicate the thread as the new Scammy award and name it after CMKX.
The CMKX Scammy Award
Retiring the largest o/s scam in history by giving its just reward for remembrance. And having scams listed under different CMKX Scammy Award categories.
The CMKX Worst overall scam
The CMKX Worst CEO of the year award
The CMKX Worst Reverse Split stock
The CMKX Worst Dilution King
The CMKX Worst performance by a stock promoter (could call this one the WillyLizard award)
The CMKX Worst P&D Website
The CMKX Toxic Funding Package
The CMKX Worst attempt to blame short sellers while insiders dump stock into the market
The CMKX Lifetime Achievement Award for the biggest scam of all time
Posted by bill1352 on :
well it was nice to hear from dr d. i'm so glad he drops in every once in a while. just a quick thought. shortly after the 20th when the cmkx reply is due a judge will confirm cmkx being revoked. (13 days from now) at that point the dr.'s idea would mean any buyout or cash divy would have to be sent to shareholders & divided up by a man that can't keep books & dumped 779.5 billion shares into the market. its a good thing its the halloween season because if i'm a cmkx shareholder & a cash amount depends on UC getting it to me......well thats one scary thought. of course dr. d has his moments, he did point out that that fax in your statement idea was meaningless as statements are meaningless in court. still on frizzy's behalf at least he was trying to do something positive for shareholders & thats more then UC can say.
Posted by LEO on :
Did cmkx really trade over half a billion shares today? I didn't know they were trading at all, let alone being the most heavily traded stock today.
Posted by will on :
Top 3 volume 10/7/05:
PRRM 685,138,000 CMKX 622,253,000 QBID 455,914,000
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
Were all of the trades buys? I don't think you can sell this stuff, can you? Unless your a smooth talker at the race track?
Posted by ed19363 on :
You can sell all you want, if you're willing to take .000000000000000000001 per share for it....
Posted by johnny14511 on :
one day i tried buying stock from cmkx and scottrade didnt let me???when i asked why!!!!! they told they dont affiliate with that company??why is that?
Posted by bill1352 on :
another point....the good dr. sure loves to show his complete lack of understanding when it comes to the stock market. he thinks putting these fabled cmkx assetts into CIM is a good thing. at least 20 billion shares of CIM are out now. 20 billion sitting somewhere since UC never gave the full 40 billion promised out & thats added to whatevewr was given out a yr before that as CMI. i will say that it's an improvement on 703.5 billion but it still leaves an o/s that renders the shares as valueless. you have a company with undeveloped claims. claims that have a few questions about if they are even still owned or will be owned for very long. a company run by a family that took cmkx into the toilet, ran the biggest pump & dump operation ever in the history of the market. you would be hard pressed to find 1 completely honest pr issued by the company. a company that couldn't even keep basic books, can't account for close to $200 million of income for share sales & differant deals & lied in SEC filings. first you would have to get the SEC to allow you into the market....with over 20 billion shares to start....i'm guessing the laughter caused in the SEC offices by reading those filing papers would be deemed hazardous. second you would need ppl willing to buy shares in the market to cause a pps increase. they say a fool is born every day, but enough to cause a run on over 20 billion shares???? the saddest part of this is i'm sure a few hundred ppl will read that & cheer. they will go to bed tonight feeling good & completely believe they will profit greatly from their cmkx shares.
Posted by bill1352 on :
most brokers will not let you buy cmkx johnny. even low-lifes like brokers want nothing to do with cmkx.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
i know a dumbass that bought $11000 for .0002
he put in a market order
Posted by johnny14511 on :
im really thankfull they didnt let me buy that stock because now that im more experienced i know it sucks
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by johnny14511: i know a dumbass that bought $11000 for .0002
he put in a market order
I know a dumbass that bought a lot more than that! Don't we Will?
And I don't mean Will.
Posted by will on :
Yep! ...and I will bet you anything that, FINAL REVOCATION is a good thing in her twisted dumbass logic. ...and it goes further than that, there's another dumbass that posts regularly here that will support her in her illiogical logic. It's ok, the CMKX Sheriff will visit their accounts with a bag full of 0's, but they'll still think they have a chance at making a killing on this POS.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, you just gave me an idea for a thread title. How about "CMKX - twisted dumbass logic"? Put your name to it.
Posted by will on :
Nah, I'm about done with it. I have been saying for over a year that these people will try to convince you that dead is a good thing to be. They're just full of crap. Look at this poor fellow that posts his regurgitated crap from Dr. Dummy here. I don't know who to feel sorrier for, Dr, Dummy or noah. He'll still try to convince everyone that CMKX is a good buy, because of a lot imagined nonsense.
There isn't any: NSS STING OPERATION VALUE There is NOTHING !!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"There is NOTHING !!!"
There are the bulges in UC's pockets and his belly.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I wouldn't get too excited about the 20th. CMKX has until then to counter any new points brought up by the SEC counsel.
But then the Commission has 21 days to rule on the SEC's and CMKX's briefs. If they rule against them, CMKX will immediately file an appeal of the decision in the appropriate appelate court.
While waiting for the appelate court to hear the case and rule, the SEC's rulings will be "stayed" and CMKX will continue to trade. This appelate procedure could take 2-3 years.
So don't get out the party favors yet.
Posted by stockster5 on :
So that's why a bankrupt listed company can still have active trading.... It's just the so called shares that churn back and forth. Does this mean if there are 1 million outstanding, the same issues can be traded over again, maybe even the same two people??? S5
Posted by johnny14511 on :
whe souldnt even waste strenght in typing this its just a waste of time!!!!!!!!!
all this talking about dumbasses makes literally laugh
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: I wouldn't get too excited about the 20th. CMKX has until then to counter any new points brought up by the SEC counsel.
But then the Commission has 21 days to rule on the SEC's and CMKX's briefs. If they rule against them, CMKX will immediately file an appeal of the decision in the appropriate appelate court.
While waiting for the appelate court to hear the case and rule, the SEC's rulings will be "stayed" and CMKX will continue to trade. This appelate procedure could take 2-3 years.
So don't get out the party favors yet.
Why bother? Let it die.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: I wouldn't get too excited about the 20th. CMKX has until then to counter any new points brought up by the SEC counsel.
But then the Commission has 21 days to rule on the SEC's and CMKX's briefs. If they rule against them, CMKX will immediately file an appeal of the decision in the appropriate appelate court.
While waiting for the appelate court to hear the case and rule, the SEC's rulings will be "stayed" and CMKX will continue to trade. This appelate procedure could take 2-3 years.
So don't get out the party favors yet.
Why bother? Let it die.
You ask a valid question, ed. Why bother? Why not let it die? Because the company knows what it has in the ground. Because it has laid an intricate plan for trapping shorty. Because it has sprung that trap and "shorty" is at the table. Because the true float is very small.
If these weren't true, UC would have just slipped away with his millions a long time ago.
Posted by Ric on :
Where is there a rule that there is a stay for an appelate court? Seems this is the first for this? Even Frizzell's last update was getting people ready for revocation and delisting. From the original order it only listed the one appeal to the commission before final order is handed down.
Posted by bill1352 on :
"You ask a valid question, ed. Why bother? Why not let it die? Because the company knows what it has in the ground. Because it has laid an intricate plan for trapping shorty. Because it has sprung that trap and "shorty" is at the table. Because the true float is very small. "
prove it. prove any of it. everything says the float is 703.5 billion minus the few billion UC & a few other insiders hold, if they still hold them. facts from UC & rumors from the area say nothing has been found in the ground & the place they found .0011 micrograms is no longer their claim.
Posted by will on :
That's the only thing short here, bill, proof of all this nonsense. Where is the proof that a huge NSS exists? Where is the proof that an intricate plan to trap shorty exists? Where is the proof that a settelement is on or at the table? Where is the proof that the float is very small? Where is the proof there is a sting operation taking place? Where is the proof there is any value to this pos? Where is the proof for any of the outragious claims these foolish people make? They can't prove anything, is right. They do their luring and false hope building with inuendo and suggesting scenarios that support their false contentions. Of course, their retort is, "prove that it isn't so". Well, I'd say if you read the case that SEC has laid out, that is proof enough. They will have all the proof they need when they see tens of thousands of dollars become 0 dollars in their accounts.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Everything "public" says that bill. I think that was the way it was designed.
When you set a trap, you always cover it up with a little brush.
Posted by will on :
Ok, so prove it. I know, this goes back to the beginning the beginning of the CMKX dream/lie, "the company can't divulge any information for fear of becoming exposed to their enemies". That remains the biggest umbrella of you foolish faithful trapped in this fantasy. Believe what you want. When it's over take your profits to the grocery store, you'll lose about 100 lbs real quick eating what your profits will buy, NOTHING!
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Everything "public" says that bill. I think that was the way it was designed.
When you set a trap, you always cover it up with a little brush.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "Because the company knows what it has in the ground." L: "Because it has laid an intricate plan for trapping shorty." L: "Because it has sprung that trap and "shorty" is at the table." L: "Because the true float is very small." legal (aka noahltl), There's not a shred of evidence to support your above comments. And you say you are not pumping CMKX with all that nonsense? Get real!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Where is there a rule that there is a stay for an appelate court? Seems this is the first for this? Even Frizzell's last update was getting people ready for revocation and delisting. From the original order it only listed the one appeal to the commission before final order is handed down.
Ric, Frizzell was speaking of the effect of deregistration or revocation, not about the effects of an appeal. He cannot address that until they actually file the appeal. Heck, they may not appeal. They may just pay the settlement to shareholders and allow the company to fall off the charts, while moving assets into a new corporation for shareholders. I think the appeal is just another tool they can use to continue to apply pressure to shorty. If they don't need that tool, they may not use it. These are "events driven" decisions. IMO What ever events occur the company has an alternative plan.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I still dont see anyone offering proof that CMKX has anything but a couple of tiny diamond fragments. Hell, my wife's engagement ring had more diamonds than that. So it's still empty babble, IMO. And even if it were true, most of us will be dead and buried before anything positive comes out of this. Legal, you said it yourself, it could be YEARS. Meanwhile, we watch .0001 and lower on millions of shares. WHY? Who is buying? Why are they buying? Who is selling? Why are they selling? Got answers?? Good !! NOW PROVE IT !!!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: I still dont see anyone offering proof that CMKX has anything but a couple of tiny diamond fragments. Hell, my wife's engagement ring had more diamonds than that. So it's still empty babble, IMO. And even if it were true, most of us will be dead and buried before anything positive comes out of this. Legal, you said it yourself, it could be YEARS. Meanwhile, we watch .0001 and lower on millions of shares. WHY? Who is buying? Why are they buying? Who is selling? Why are they selling? Got answers?? Good !! NOW PROVE IT !!!!!
I said it could be years in appeal, not before the company acts. I think that question on trading is one for the SEC isn't it? (And it's billions over the last few days.)
Here's a company, facing revocation with no public information, trading below .0001 and yet someone or someones feel there is value in this company. Could they know something you don't?
Posted by Polarbear17 on :
I don't care , at present i have a sell order in at .05 GTC. If this pops i'll party if not i lost a whole $30.95 for my 100,000 shares bid deal .Lets wait till the 20th and hope for the best.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Could they know something you don't?"
LMAO! Not at all! NO CHANCE.
Posted by Ric on :
CDLIC God of Diamonds
Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 4,604 An Apology Due....? « Thread Started on Today at 11:06am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following was asked of me by Natrby; my response follows:
Cdlic,
If Andy is right and we do hear from the company, and it is good news,and there has been a plan,and we do make money and there is a party and you do go??? Can I please be the one to personally introduce you to Bob Mahue,and, will you come on this board and say "you know I was wrong". TIA,
Natrby
Natrby,
I would totally enjoy such good news regarding our investment in CMKM. However, there is absolutely NO excuse for UC&Co. to have conducted business in the way it has been conducted.
In addressing your question, my reply is as follows.
Should I apologize for being wrong: I ask for what? Should I apologize for the facts that I have found via DD. Facts are facts: they are true by definition. Thus, why would I apologize for things that are true?
Should I apologize for surmising from the facts that "something is rotten in Denmark?" No, no more than I should apologize to person whom has said one thing and delivered otherwise.
Should I apologize for continuing to point out to the shareholder community facts relating to UC&Co.? No, no more than I should apologize for pointing out that 2+2=4.
Should I apologize for pointing out that UC&Co. has massively diluted our stock, thus assisting in "tanking" our investment: No!...no more than I should apologize to a person whom I have just purchased a house from whom, prior to my moving in, dumps toxic waste on the property and causes the value of my newly acquired property to become of lesser value.
Now, if there is/are any areas where I have misinterpreted the facts I have discovered via DD, etc., I am more than happy to admit I did so, and, based on the misinterpretation, state I errored. However, remember, neither I nor anyone of us would have to even be placed into a position of apologizing for anything if UC&Co. had run CMKM as a real business and not caused shareholders to go looking for facts in an attempt to put the pieces to a massive puzzle.
Natrby, if indeed this is successful--we do make money (a relative term by the way), the one who owes an apology is UC&Co. for the broken promises; for the sloppy bookkeeping; for the mismanagement; for the pumping and dumping; for the lack of keeping shareholders informed; for the dilution of our stock; for the promise of producing audited financials; for the filing of incorrect documentation, causing massive turmoil to CMKM as a company, massive draining of company funds, and massive loss of shareholder confidence. Yes, UC&Co. owe me and all CMKM shareholders an apology many times over.
CDLIC
PS. You would not have to introduce me to Mr. Maheu; I know him; we spent many hours talking and enjoying such.
Posted by Ric on :
goodluvin God of Diamonds Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 990 Location: On the Beach, Florida Could this destroy CMKX's valuation? « Thread Started on Today at 11:22am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Man-made diamonds sparkle with potential By Kevin Maney, USA TODAY
BOSTON — In the back room of an unmarked brown building in a run-down strip mall, eight machines, each the size of a bass drum, are making diamonds.
Apollo Diamond "seeds" grow into pure diamonds perfect for lasers and computer chips, as well as jewelry. By Geoff Forester for USA TODAY
That's right — making diamonds. Real ones, all but indistinguishable from the stones formed by a billion or so years' worth of intense pressure, later to be sold at Tiffany's.
The company doing this is Apollo Diamond, a tiny outfit started by a former Bell Labs scientist. Peer inside Apollo's stainless steel-and-glass machines, and you can see single-crystal diamonds literally growing amid hot pink gases.
This year, Apollo expects to grow diamonds as big as 2 carats. By the end of 2005, it might expand to 10 carats. The diamonds will probably start moving into the jewelry market as early as next year — at perhaps one-third the price of a mined diamond.
The whole concept turns the fundamental idea of a diamond on its head. The ability to manufacture diamonds could change business, products and daily life as much as the arrival of the steel age in the 1850s or the invention of the transistor in the 1940s.
In technology, the diamond is a dream material. It can make computers run at speeds that would melt the innards of today's computers. Manufactured diamonds could help make lasers of extreme power. The material could allow a cellphone to fit into a watch and iPods to store 10,000 movies, not just 10,000 songs. Diamonds could mean frictionless medical replacement joints. Or coatings — perhaps for cars — that never scratch or wear out.
Scientists have known about the possibilities for years. But they've been held back because mined diamonds are too expensive and too rare. And they're hard to form into wafers and shapes that would be most useful in products.
Manufacturing changes that. It's like the difference between having to wait for lightning to start a fire vs. knowing how to start it by hand.
"I'm just so completely awed by this technology," says Sonia Arrisonof tech analysis group Pacific Research Institute. "Basically, anything that relies on computing power will accelerate."
Arno Penzias, a venture capitalist and Nobel Prize winner for physics, says, "This diamond-fabrication story marks a high-profile milestone on an amazing scientific journey."
"We can't begin to see all the things that can happen because single diamond crystals can be made," says Apollo co-founder Robert Linares, elegant and slim in a golf shirt, slacks and loafers as he sits at the two plastic folding tables that make up Apollo's low-budget conference room. "We are only at the beginning."
Linares has worked on the technology for 15 years, much of that time in his garage. From the start, he did this because of the promise of diamonds in technology. Linares wasn't trying to make gems. In fact, he didn't think he could.
Then he had a happy accident. Well, actually, time will tell whether the accident was a happy one.
Two different paths to diamonds
In 1955, General Electric figured out how to use room-size machines to put carbon under extremely high pressure and make diamond dust and chips. The diamond material wasn't pure or big enough for gems or digital technology. But it had industrial uses, such as diamond-tipped saws. Such saws made it possible, for instance, to cut granite into countertops.
In the ensuing decades, companies and inventors tried to make bigger, better diamonds. But they didn't get far. By the 1990s, researchers were focused on two different paths to diamonds.
One was brute force. Some Russians became pretty good at it, and their machines were eventually brought to Florida by Gemesis. That company now crushes carbon under 58,000 atmospheres of pressure at 2,300 degrees Fahrenheit, until the stuff crystallizes into yellowish diamonds. The stones are attractive for jewelry but not pure enough for digital technology. Gemesis sells its gems through retailers at around $5,000 per carat. A mined yellow diamond can cost four times more.
The other process is called chemical vapor deposition, or CVD. It's more subtle. It uses a combination of carbon gases, temperature and pressure that, Linares says, re-creates conditions present at the beginning of the universe. Atoms from the vapor land on a tiny diamond chip placed in the chamber. Then the vapor particles take on the structure of that diamond — growing the diamond, atom by atom, into a much bigger diamond.
By Geoff Forester for USA TODAY One of Apollo's made diamonds.
CVD can make diamonds that are clear and utterly pure. It's also a way to make diamond wafers, much like silicon wafers for computer chips. The CVD process can be tweaked by putting in enough boron to allow the diamond to conduct a current. That turns the diamond into a semiconductor.
A handful of companies and scientists, including Sumitomo in Japan and the global diamond powerhouse De Beers, have chased CVD. But by most accounts, Linares is out front.
After receiving his doctorate in materials science from Rutgers University, Linares joined Bell Labs and worked on crystals that would be crucial in telecommunications. In the 1980s, he started Spectrum Technology to make single-crystal Gallium Arsenide chips, one of the key components in cellphones. Spectrum became the material's biggest U.S. supplier, and Linares eventually sold the company to NERCO Advanced Materials.
He then dropped out of business, putting his time and money into his pet project: making CVD diamonds for cutting tools and electronics. "Gemstones were the furthest thing from my mind," Linares says.
Breakthrough in a garage workshop
Linares built machines in his garage, superheating carbon in suburban Boston while his neighbors went about their lives. He got the CVD process to work, at first making tiny diamond chips. He formed Apollo and started down the path to industrial diamonds. Then Linares inadvertently left a diamond piece in a beaker of acid over a weekend. The acid cleaned up excess carbon — essentially coal — that had stayed on the diamond.
"When I came in Monday, I couldn't see the (stone) in the beaker," Linares says. The diamond was colorless and pure. "That's when I realized we could do gemstones."
How diamonds are made
Apollo Diamond is making real diamonds through a process called chemical vapor deposition (CVD). Here is an explanation of the process:
(1) A slice of diamond is placed flat inside a chamber. Hydrogen and hydrocarbon gases are injected and heated to thousands of degrees at the right pressure. (2) Carbon atoms land on the diamond slice and replicate the crystal’s structure, the way a drop of water merges seamlessly into a pool of water. The diamond grows thicker and taller. Growing a 5 carat diamond can take a week. (3) The top can be sliced off and cut into gems. Or the diamond can be cut into thin wafers for computer chips or other uses. Part of the slice is returned to the chamber to make the next diamond.
“We basically grow our own raw material,” says Apollo president Bryant Linares.
Source: Apollo Diamond
For Apollo, there are lots of good things about making gems. Diamond jewelry will be a $60 billion global market this year, and it's growing fast. If Apollo can snag just 1%, the company would become a $600 million rocket.
Also, gems could become a source of revenue quickly. While the military and companies are working on tech inventions that use diamonds, a real market for diamond technology might be a decade away. By selling gems, Apollo can make money now to fund the research for forthcoming diamond tech products.
That solution, though, brings two huge problems. One is that Apollo doesn't know the gem business. Its employees are technologists. Aside from Linares, Apollo is run by his son, Bryant, an MBA who started and sold an information services company. Vice President Patrick Doering had been lead scientist at Spectrum.
"We are not gemstone guys," Bryant Linares admits. They don't know consumer marketing or retailing. Bryant Linares notes that Apollo plans to split into a tech business run by the Linareses and a gem business run by a gem veteran they have yet to hire. For now, though, the gem business is a distraction with a steep learning curve.
Apollo's other problem is De Beers, which doesn't like what Apollo is doing one bit. De Beers launched a public relations campaign and an education program for jewelers, all aimed at portraying mined diamonds as real and eternal — and CVD or Gemesis diamonds as fake and tacky.
Both Apollo and Gemesis want to market their gems as "cultured diamonds," taking a cue from cultured pearls. De Beers is fighting that label. "It's misleading and unacceptable," says De Beers executive Simon Lawson. "It makes people think (manufacturing diamonds) is an organic process, and it's not."
Even highly trained diamond experts find it almost impossible to tell a CVD diamond from a mined one. De Beers is determined to help by making machines that can detect the slightest difference in the way the two materials refract light.
As part of that effort, De Beers stepped up its own CVD research "focused on producing state-of-the-art synthetic diamonds for testing on our equipment," Lawson says. Referring to CVD diamonds, he adds, "We don't see gemological applications fitting into it."
So by getting into gems, little Apollo made a powerful, determined enemy.
A long list of possibilities
The tech side is an entirely different story. Just about every entity in technology can get excited about diamonds.
The military's DARPA research arm has been pumping money into CVD projects. Companies such as Lucent are on the trail of holographic optical storage, which will use lasers to store data in 3D patterns, cramming huge amounts of information in tiny spaces. CVD diamonds would vault holographic storage ahead, helping bring about the 10,000-movie iPod.
Tech company Textron is a big fan of Apollo. Textron has been working on super lasers that might become weapons or be used like a camera flash for spy satellites, so they could take photos from space at night.
"Thermal management is a major challenge to increasing a laser's power," explains Textron scientist Yulin Wang. The diamond has the highest thermal conductivity of any material, which allows it to quickly move heat away from the laser's insides. Textron needs large, pure diamond pieces for its lasers and finally found them at Apollo.
CVD diamonds can help solve one of the computer industry's biggest challenges. Companies such as Intel advance computer chip technology by squeezing microscopic wires closer together while making the chips run ever faster. But that's making the chips increasingly hotter. At some point this decade, the chips could run so hot they'd melt. But not if the chips were based on diamond wafers instead of silicon.
"Using diamonds as semiconductors will continue Moore's Law," says Pacific Research's Arrison, referring to an observation about the continual increase in speed and power since chips were invented.
The list of possibilities for man-made diamonds goes on. "By most measures, diamond is the biggest and best," says a research paper written about CVD by Paul May at the U.K.'s University of Bristol. It's the hardest material, it won't expand in heat, won't wear, is chemically inert and optically transparent, May says.
"Once (manufactured) diamond is available, developers will find all kinds of other things to do with it," Robert Linares says.
Manufactured diamonds will be like other inventions that were so profound because they made new things possible. Steel allowed engineers to dream of skyscrapers and suspension bridges. Transistors led to computers and pacemakers and so much else. So this may be the beginning of the diamond age of technology.
Says Linares: "The genie is out of the bottle, and it can never be put back in."
Posted by legaleagle on :
Note: My response is not aimed specifically at CDLIC, but rather to all who are of similiar mindset. It is not given in the spirit of attack, but rather as a hope that perhaps a different way of seeing things may result. -C-Dub -------------
Quote:Should I apologize for being wrong: I ask for what? Should I apologize for the facts that I have found via DD. Facts are facts: they are true by definition. Thus, why would I apologize for things that are true?
Facts are facts, you're right; but many times (and here, acutely), facts aren't kept in their purest state, but rather colored by the prejudices and interpretations of those who wish to advance a specific POV...like, for instance, that increasingly popular belief UC must be a crooked business man because investors aren't rich yet.
Quote:Should I apologize for surmising from the facts that "something is rotten in Denmark?" No, no more than I should apologize to person whom has said one thing and delivered otherwise.
Facts, as I understand them, don't support this popular idea of broken promises. CMKX has delivered certain things as promised (CIM, USCA dividends, for instance); other things have been promised, yes; but conditions changed with the company around this time last year, if you recall...and the "quiet period" began.
This leads into another "fact" that people love to hate: Disclaimer statements, Safe Harbor warnings, etc. They appear in nearly every PR that has been published by the company. And they warn us clearly that conditions may change, and that they have no obligation to provide updates when they happen.
So we have a company that has delivered many things they said they would...and we have a company that has warned it's investors that sometimes things change, and therefore things they state may change too. The facts say that they have done precisely what they said would, or conversely could, do.
Quote:Should I apologize for continuing to point out to the shareholder community facts relating to UC&Co.? No, no more than I should apologize for pointing out that 2+2=4.
Apologies matter only when they are meant. Sometimes pride prevents that from being realized...not an accusation CDLIC, just a simple statement of my personal observations of some people who end up too invested in a specific belief to admit they're wrong...even in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary (should it turn out to be "the facts").
Quote:Should I apologize for pointing out that UC&Co. has massively diluted our stock, thus assisting in "tanking" our investment: No!...no more than I should apologize to a person whom I have just purchased a house from whom, prior to my moving in, dumps toxic waste on the property and causes the value of my newly acquired property to become of lesser value.
Facts state only that the A/S and O/S were larger than what we assumed they would be. The reason behind it has not been established, and this too is fact. Pointing the accusing finger at UC as "a dilluter" is premature at best (based on available facts), and may just as well be flat out wrong.
Passing opinion as fact isn't leading anyone to truth...or making Natrby's points any less relevant.
Quote:Now, if there is/are any areas where I have misinterpreted the facts I have discovered via DD, etc., I am more than happy to admit I did so, and, based on the misinterpretation, state I errored. However, remember, neither I nor anyone of us would have to even be placed into a position of apologizing for anything if UC&Co. had run CMKM as a real business and not caused shareholders to go looking for facts in an attempt to put the pieces to a massive puzzle.
We don't know why UC chose to make the choices he has to this point. We do know (fact) that he has hired some of the greatest talent (RG, IBM) available to work on the company's challenges. An inference could be drawn (but also could be wrong, I admit) that UC has a significant problem (or problems) he's trying to resolve...and if so, it's possible an innovative way of dealing with them may be in order.
As much as shareholder impatience would villify UC for his seemingly unconventional approaches in the sparce glimpses we've seen of CMKX's operations, it is equally possible that these approaches may have kept our investment from dying as well.
So until the facts are known, why whiz on the shoes of the man who may well be responsible for keeping your investment viable, and your potential profits possible?
Quote:Natrby, if indeed this is successful--we do make money (a relative term by the way), the one who owes an apology is UC&Co. for the broken promises; for the sloppy bookkeeping; for the mismanagement; for the pumping and dumping; for the lack of keeping shareholders informed; for the dilution of our stock; for the promise of producing audited financials; for the filing of incorrect documentation, causing massive turmoil to CMKM as a company, massive draining of company funds, and massive loss of shareholder confidence. Yes, UC&Co. owe me and all CMKM shareholders an apology many times over.
If UC has fended off a hostile bid; if he has found a way to turn tables on Naked Shorters; if he has kept our investments safe at the cost of some inconvenience and mild discomfort by devising and/or using some unconventional way to protect us...would you be worthy of all the things (worries, work, legal ramifications, attacks on his name) that he may have endured on your behalf?
If it turns out that he has done such things for you, are you telling me you'd be unable/unwilling to give him credit for ultimately doing what a CEO should do...make the company they lead successful? Too proud to make right the wrong you tossed on him in the midst of your pretty greediness and impatient outrage?
Cut down to it's core, all this "neo-realism" and negativity comes down to one simple...yes, I'll say it...fact:
You want your money. Now.
Whining, accusing, making up theories, slamming others for not being so greedy or impatient all have their root in this simple fact.
But at the end of the day, you'll wait right along with the rest of us until the actual facts are revealed.
On the way to a firing squad, an unjustly convicted person has a choice. They can scream and flail and cry and wail all the way to the wall; or they can walk calmly, with dignity and the knowledge that they did no wrong. Should a last minute reprieve come, which way would you prefer that you knew you reacted, that you knew others saw you react?
Change that which you can. Accept that which you cannot change. Learn to recognize the difference.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you get all the facts, your judgment can be right; If you don't get all the facts, it can't be right. -- Bernard M. Baruch
Posted by Doctoall on :
Thanks Legal, I am so glad that I bought those shares in Kool Aid Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey guys, Penn State just beat Ohio State. That's 6 - 0.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Doc,
Did you get my email?
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ric.. I brought that artificial diamond point (pun intended) to this board some time ago. It was about some other firm I believe. But its still going the same direction, mining barons may be looking over their shoulder now. Just like oil companies may purposely subvert solar and wind technologies till they (oil) can find some way to control those sources as well. S5
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Doc,
Did you get my email?
Yes and it was most enjoyable ROFLMAO Posted by Ric on :
When a company tells you nothing then all you can do is dream. The problem is when you start believing the dream. But sooner or later the dream will turn into a nightmare. Because as much as you want to believe, nothing usually means you get nothing.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Too many "ifs". If this, if that, no proof of anything. If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon. If the moon is green cheese, world hunger would be solved. If the oceans evaporated, we wouldnt need boats to catch fish. If we could get news from CMKX that didnt include the word "if", we would all be happier. Maybe.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Doc,
Did you get my email?
Yes and it was most enjoyable ROFLMAO
Pleased you enjoyed and weren't offended in any way.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I got an E-mail from a Porn star lady onetime..
Posted by Ric on :
Only one? lol
You must not have a yahoo or hotmail account
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: I got an E-mail from a Porn star lady onetime..
Posted by johnny14511 on :
hey i checked the history of the past week
and somebody bought 10,000,000,000 10 billion
i dont know how they did that it never showed in the volume they problaby bought from the company?
and why??????????
problaby another dumbass
Posted by bill1352 on :
that might have been more dilution too johnny. by now that o/s could be 800 billion. we will never know because within 30 days trading will end. as ric pointed out...there was only 1 appeal listed as possible by the original judge.
legal nobody here is calling UC a crook because we didn't get rich off cmkx. we are calling him a crook because of all the things listed in that post. dilution, lack of books, money from 703.5 billion shares missing, gems bought missing, money from deals missing. you say UC kept some of his promises, you use the divys ask proof. the promise was to increase shareholder value with those divy's. that would mean those divys hold a cash value to those that got them. my account says they are worth almost as much as 1 share of cmkx. in fact 1 share of cmkx has a much greater value then all those divys shares added together. unless one of the companies pays to change the shares from restricted to common it would cost more change them then selling would bring in & CIM will never be allowed to go public with over 20 billion in the o/s. i think you need to look for a differant example of UC keeping a promise.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Right on, bill!
PS: And didn't someone (maybe it was UC) say everything would become clear at the hearing? Some clarity! UC took the 5th, Maheu knew nothing, auditor resigned, and lies were proven.
Posted by Ric on :
Wallace, I think it was pretty clear myself.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I agree, Ric.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Time is running out.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
WHAT DO YOU MEAN TIME IS RUNNING OUT?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
What he means, Johnny, that time is running out to dump any shares owned before they cannot be sold at all. In short, before they become more worthless than they are now. Right, legal?
Posted by johnny14511 on :
I FEEL SORRY FOR THOOSE PEOPLE
DO YOU?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
No, I don't feel sorry for all of them. There have been warnings time after time and they were scoffed at by the cult members. Others who were enticed into buying CMKX because of the cult members' pumping, I do feel a bit sorry for, but they had plenty of warnings as well....at least on this board.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Still "scoffing"
Posted by Ric on :
You know how you can tell a stock is diluted to death?
When you can buy as many shares as the nation debt with the pennies in your piggy bank.
Posted by Ric on :
By the way, hows those divy's becoming unrestricted coming alone, lol.
Posted by bill1352 on :
those divys will be in my account till the day i die. in fact i'm stuck with worthless trash i'm going to have to deal with 1 day. i wonder if i can give them back?? maybe the shareholders can give UC a divy. we can all ship those restricted millstones back & let him deal with them. you can't close your account with them. you have to pay to have them sent to you, removing them from your account. i'm sure glad UC decided to increase shareholder value with them...lol i'm thinking UC has that azz backwards problem. dilutes the stock while increasing shareholder value & hands out divys that will cost shareholders money. maybe if he wanted shareholders to lose money we would have gotten rich...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
If you have your divies in Ameritrade, I would be happy to work out a transfer to my account. You know, just to clean up your account.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Half a billion first hour of trading. What is wrong with those loonies............Oh, I know.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Time is running out.
Unbelievable.... you never cease to amaze me with you blind faith.
So legal, you obviously believe in UC.... please tell us a few reasons (be specific) as to why?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Still "scoffing"
Never learn, huh. No matter how much you get beaten up by UC, family and cohorts.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Legal has always had his finger on the pulse of the company. He knows things that nobody else knows. Or at least he thinks he does. If you take each of his posts with a grain of salt, you better own a salt mine.
Now that we know where his finger is, can we discuss where he has his nose? Clue: It has something to do with astronomy and UC.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Time is running out.
Unbelievable.... you never cease to amaze me with you blind faith.
So legal, you obviously believe in UC.... please tell us a few reasons (be specific) as to why?
What's the point, santa? In a few days UC will do it far better than I can.
Posted by Ric on :
And if Andy's proclaimed "by Oct 20th news" never happens will you finially come to your senses and admit this is a scam?
Of course if there is then it will probably be some encrypted message that states nothing but gives reference to everything so the cult can dream a little dream some more.
Andy's message for today:
“Hello CMKX’rs…..Happy Thanksgiving Monday from Canada. Due to popular demand, I am manning the phones and other communication services today. Keep that radar on between now and the 20th. Have a good day.”
Posted by legaleagle on :
My info doesn't come from Andy.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Andy probably has his radar on so he can detect any incoming missiles......LOL
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: My info doesn't come from Andy.
We know who your source is, legal.
Guy's name is Outta Thinair.....
Posted by legaleagle on :
That's the one ed
Posted by bill1352 on :
can we nail you down on this 1 legal???...lets say no good news in a few days or by the 20th & a final reply to the court chit is not called good news unless it says something differant, you admit that your investment is in serious jepardy. that chances are its a total loss. i won't ask you to go as far as the basher crew believes, that much reality might trigger serious health problems. just admit that maybe UC hasn't had your best interests in mind as he ran cmkx's pps down to .00000something.
Posted by legaleagle on :
bill, if the company is revoked, I still own my shares. Just as you won't believe differently until it is proven to you, neither will I. For the company not to have the goods, it would require that six different sources are lying to me about what they have peronally seen and the number of holes they have counted on our claims. And that's just my Sask area sources.
Posted by stockster5 on :
I think I just got an idea what UC will jump to next... candian sand oil recovery. I would bet UC starts a new company with 'oil' in the name and says he owns wells in canada. If uc says he has wells and reovers sand oil in them we'll know he's lying because sand oil recovery is strip mined and can't be a well.... we'll see. S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
CMKX can be revoked in US markets, but won't cmkx be able to trade in canada and bremlin exchanges instead? Revoked just slows down a cash stream of issuing more stocks for money... it doesn't shut down the company I believe. S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
jeez, I just cleaned out the yearly gunk in my keyboard and can't do a thing with it... sorry. s5
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, holes in the ground are meaningless. you need to find something in the core that used to be the hole. remember all that crap about 18 months ago? eyes popping at what they saw come out the ground chit?? they got .0011 micrograms. i'll go at it another way, your a mining company, money is tight. the cost of drilling & then testing is not cheap. 1 or more of your samples comes back rich. do you A) drill a hundred more holes all over or B) shut down drilling & put your cash towards the place you hit pay dirt & move to the next phase. thus putting cash towards getting to the income point & then further explore the rest of the claims area. if an exploration mining company is non-stop drilling it means they haven't found anything yet.
Posted by bill1352 on :
by the way legal...you didn't answer my question...lol
stockster, yes cmkx can still trade in other markets. its shut down in Sask. Canada & has been for over 1 yr, the place all these diamonds legal thinks they found are at. the rest of canada might still be trading & if so the thing in the U.S wont effect that. berlin is the home of the naked shorted share. anything trading there is in trouble.
Posted by Ric on :
Thats right, Another exchange is going to approve a scam with 703 billion shares in it. They will laugh so load you could hear it in America. lol
I not sure if Berlin would even except this stock. They can't short it enough to be worth it.
Posted by bill1352 on :
with the volume of this thing still hi i'd love to see the current o/s. any bets on it being well over the last known o/s??? i'm betting it is. they sold to the mm's at .00002 thus the mm's could sell at .00005 % make a profit. 50 billion shares at .00002 is $1 million. that 75 billion nevada minerals just turned in is $1.5 million or almost enough to pay off the past due bill cmkx owes them. .00003 would cover it.
Posted by Ric on :
I bet they dumped most of it while it was up there for a little while. After the halt there was a huge volume and price was still at .0001. I bet UC sold at .00005 to them and they made each other happy. What you want to bet there may be a o/s a/s issue again.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Incoming missiles?...Porno Stars?..Revoked stocks?..Fridge raids by the shakeman late at night? Jonestown like, Kool-aide drinkers?
Dwman trying to out do me on the Texas Ant that destroyed my pick-up!
Oh, the humanity of it all!! What will become of us?
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Incoming missiles?...Porno Stars?..Revoked stocks?..Fridge raids by the shakeman late at night? Jonestown like, Kool-aide drinkers?
Dwman trying to out do me on the Texas Ant that destroyed my pick-up!
Oh, the humanity of it all!! What will become of us?
roflmao
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Leave me out of that stuff, Dusty! LOL
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
The Shakeman returneth!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Just so the poor souls, who don't know who, the shakeman is,
He also can appear suddenly as the Tin Man, and sell you a new roof and siding...
This person has been on the most wanted list on the East Coast for many years....
There are rumors the whole CMKX saga began with the Tin man selling U/C way to much siding and poor U/C was forced into a life of crime to pay the Tin Man!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Dusty,
You are full of ..it! They caught the Tin Man last year. And the shakeman hasn't had one in two weeks.
Posted by Upside on :
Isn't that what U/C made the drilling rig out of? Some of Wallaces old siding?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Now you did it Upside!!! You connected Tin Man and shakeman to my ID. Your name is MUDD!
PS: Don't you remember that old shed at the so-called drilling site with tape on it?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Ahhh, the trash heap pics,LOL The good old days...
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Now Hwy starts to beat up on me! I QUIT!!!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!
Posted by will on :
Hey highway.
Wallace, I am finding it difficult to restrain myself!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!
XXXXXX XXXXXXX, XXXX-XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX!!!!!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
We've got the Tin Man in a corner! quick! someone get the net!!
Move people ! before he turns back into the Shadow!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Hey highway.
Wallace, I am finding it difficult to restrain myself!
I figured you would enjoy the opportunity! Go ahead, pal, I have broad shoulders! No broads, but broad shoulders!
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Ahhh, the trash heap pics,LOL The good old days...
That's right, I forgot about those. I wonder how those core samples turned out? A couple hundred diapers and 3 rusty beer cans.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Damn termites are coming out of the woodwork! SCAT!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Come on!! Where's Doc? Where's dwman?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
only the Shadow knows!!
Posted by Upside on :
Dwman is probably in bed by now. He is old you know.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"3 rusty beer cans." ???????
Now that's really old. The more recent aluminium cans don't rust.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "3 rusty beer cans." ???????
Now that's really old. The more recent aluminium cans don't rust.
Maybe Urban recycled them to increase shareholder value.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: We've got the Tin Man in a corner! quick! someone get the net!!
Move people ! before he turns back into the Shadow!
------------------------------------------------ Hurry people with the net before he transforms again!
This is poor U/C's only chance to explain his criminal behavior was the work of the Tin Man!*!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Shed on ski? hmmmmm, in the Army they used to feed us sumpin on a shingle!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Yeah, Dusty, that was horrible wasn't it?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Hey Will,PM'd ya
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
By Wallace: Dusty,
You are full of ..it! They caught the Tin Man last year. And the shakeman hasn't had one in 2 weeks.
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Upside Member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isn't that what U/C made the drilling rig out of? Some of Wallaces old siding? ------------------------------------------------
Wallace#1 Member
Member Rated: posted October 10, 2005 20:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now you did it Upside!!! You connected Tin Man and shakeman to my ID. Your name is MUDD!
PS: Don't you remember that old shed at the so-called drilling site with tape on it?
-------------------- A person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt a person accomplishing it.
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Highwaychild Member
----------------------------------------- Ahhh, the trash heap pics,LOL The good old days... -----------------------------------------------
Wallace#1 Member
Member Rated: posted October 10, 2005 20:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now Hwy starts to beat up on me! I QUIT!!!
-------------------- A person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt a person accomplishing it.
------------------------------------------------- Quit? I don't think so..
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
OK, going to watch Pittsburg beat up people!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Me too, Kick some Chargers ***! The Broncs are taking over the wild wild west this year!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
After Wallaces' great pick today, maybe a little further roasting is in order...
We can't let him get a swelled head now, can we?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Pittsburgh takes the lead 7 zip!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Oh, it's going to be more than that.
Posted by will on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Oh, it's going to be more than that.
Hope so.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I'm about to break a 100 on fantasy football thanks to big ben. Big thanks to Terry Glenn( sorry Wallace), spelled the same as D. Roger Glenn... with two n's.
Posted by Ric on :
I would be the instigator here and root for the other team but I just don't like SD. So go Pittsburg, lol.
Posted by bill1352 on :
screw the cowboys, 7 out of 8 on my parley card & guess which 1 was the loser...lol. 3 weeks in a row 1 team that should doesn't, 3 weeks in a row 7 out of 8. at least my lions won, if thats what you want to call that. us lions fans will take any kind of win....lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ran over a lion's tail in East Africa. Sorry, bill.
Posted by BuyTex on :
Go Cowboys! lose to 'Skins but beat da Iggles--good swap! lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
everyone runs over the lions something around here. anyone have a QB laying around??? high schoolers welcome.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: everyone runs over the lions something around here. anyone have a QB laying around??? high schoolers welcome.
What's Charlie Batch doing these days?
Posted by will on :
Charlie Batch was last seen smelling his fingers. Actually Charlie Batch is the back up QB on Pittsburgh.
16 Batch, Charlie
[ October 10, 2005, 23:50: Message edited by: will ]
Posted by Ric on :
Pretty good finish
Posted by BuyTex on :
Batch may be the starter, now--Roethlisberger down with knee injury...
Posted by Upside on :
Remind me not to bet on Pittsburgh again if Batch is the starter.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
wow thought i would drop in and see what is happening in never never land. thought maybe there was something going on as this thread is still on the first page. I flipped through the last couple of pages, to realise this is only a bunch of non sence.
Im assuming there are those here that still feel they are going to get rich off this.
i pitty the ones that lost big on this one.
Is Urban in jail yet?
Rod
Posted by johnny14511 on :
what if you ahve the chance to buy at .00001
and sell at .00005
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: wow thought i would drop in and see what is happening in never never land. thought maybe there was something going on as this thread is still on the first page. I flipped through the last couple of pages, to realise this is only a bunch of non sence.
Im assuming there are those here that still feel they are going to get rich off this.
i pitty the ones that lost big on this one.
Is Urban in jail yet?
Rod
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Pennytrader, this is very interesting... I see you have ventured out of the sugar and sticky syrup of Q - land..
Howz it feel to get some fresh air and hang out with the nonsensical men for awhile?
Are ya sure you want to sling arrows around here?
Maybe you should save some pitty for the innocent fools who have lost thousands of dollars on your 25 billion share diluting machine called QBID..
I know, next you'll say you sleep well at night.. Most folks would really like to see the Q just go away from Allstocks, they are just afraid to say so..
[ October 11, 2005, 07:30: Message edited by: Dustoff101 ]
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Time is running out.
Unbelievable.... you never cease to amaze me with you blind faith.
So legal, you obviously believe in UC.... please tell us a few reasons (be specific) as to why?
What's the point, santa? In a few days UC will do it far better than I can.
Is he going to plead the 5th again?
Why do you always seem to dodge these types of questions? Besides, I'd rather hear it from you. UC can't tell me why you have faith in him.... only you can.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by johnny14511: what if you ahve the chance to buy at .00001
and sell at .00005
Johnny, stay away from it at any price!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Only way I'd take more of this garbage is if they gave it away free. It's worthless anyway, IMO.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wonder how much Inco and Falconbridge CMKX owns?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Only way I'd take more of this garbage is if they gave it away free. It's worthless anyway, IMO.
Oh, ed, you just don't recognize a "buy of a lifetime" when you don't see it. And you already bought it too. LOL
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
How much a ton can a fella get fer a ton of municipal waste, versus a ton of CMKX shares?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: How much a ton can a fella get fer a ton of municipal waste, versus a ton of CMKX shares?
With your experience in shipping, you tell us, you old water rat!
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: How much a ton can a fella get fer a ton of municipal waste, versus a ton of CMKX shares?
My hunch is that the waste would command a higher price.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Upside time to get the roast started!!!! The Ice Man is getting way to frisky!!!!
OK guys, where should we start cooking?
Here? or on the football thread on off topics..
It is a pretty big roast so maybe we will need both threads!
Posted by Upside on :
How did that "Monday Night Football" thread turn into a "Wallace in his slippers" thread anyway?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Thats what I mean!!!! The Tin Man is everywhere!
I don't know if a national security alert may go off or not!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Look, you dusty, dirty, stinking old bilge pump, leave me be. I BITE!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, speaking of roasts, isn't it about time some of the cult members started eating crow?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Oh Oh, well, I sure don't want to get bit!
On the more serious side...
Thankyou Wallace for your stock picks recently.. Many of us are grateful! No kidding..
Some who went in on your recomendation recovered nicely on stocks they lost money on recently, including myself...
But!! a ROAST sure would of been entertaining!
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Wallace:
quote:I BITE!!!!
How? I thought you couldn't.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Thanks Dusty! How'd you like the bilge pump bit, you old sea dog?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Wallace:
quote:I BITE!!!!
How? I thought you couldn't.
Damn last time I give you any personal information!
Posted by Upside on :
Nope, you posted that on the threads a while back, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Like I've been saying all day..Man, you are on a roll, Tin MAN!!!!!!
By Wallace: Look, you dusty, dirty, stinking old bilge pump, leave me be. I BITE!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Nope, you posted that on the threads a while back, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Prove it!
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Nope, you posted that on the threads a while back, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Prove it!
Now how am I going to do that?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
You said I posted it on the threads. Now, FIND IT BIG MOUTH!
PS: LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Geez, maybe a search for "shakeman" might turn it up?
Posted by will on :
Up, go look for the post where he talks about his steely blue eyes. It is there or near there. Don't look at the one where he's complaining about his hemroids, anus, and erectile dysfunction.
Posted by Upside on :
Ok, I'll eliminate those from my search criteria.
Posted by legaleagle on :
ed, you still hold a lot of CMKX shares. I need to know if you will be wanting an invitation to the "Shareholder Cruise" when this hits, so we can get you registered. I think you still own a few too don't you Bill?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Man o man, I am not going to get buried alive and say something pertaining to the shakemans teeth..
Ya know, like how can ya bite with withered gums!
Posted by will on :
He's gonna want to smack you just for drill again, legal. LOL
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ed, you still hold a lot of CMKX shares. I need to know if you will be wanting an invitation to the "Shareholder Cruise" when this hits, so we can get you registered. I think you still own a few too don't you Bill?
Posted by Upside on :
Where would the Shareholder Cruise be bound for?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Up, go look for the post where he talks about his steely blue eyes. It is there or near there. Don't look at the one where he's complaining about his hemroids, anus, and erectile dysfunction.
You SOB!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Where would the Shareholder Cruise be bound for?
Where else? TREASURE ISLAND! Problem is that someone has been there already and took the treasures.
Posted by will on :
Indianapolis, in legal's bathtub with toy boats. debbie can have a hosipitality commode.
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Where would the Shareholder Cruise be bound for?
OOPS! THAT'S TOILET HUMOR, SORRY.
Posted by Upside on :
I don't know, I had a mental image of a bunch of newly homeless Americans floating on a makeshift raft in the middle of the ocean flying "Got CMKX" flags.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LMAO, will.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
OOPS! THAT'S TOILET HUMOR, SORRY.
Is that what a "comode" is?
Posted by will on :
Hey, she's so screwed up, and the rest of these fools are so gullible a commode could be a punchbowl in their world.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Want to hear sumpin funny ? I still own 600,000 shrs.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
TOILET HUMOR...
Nothing Ric hasn't posted before, with that cat/stockchart pic he put on here.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: Hey, she's so screwed up, and the rest of these fools are so gullible a commode could be a punchbowl in their world.
Maybe that's why they're so "punchy". You know, koolaide.
Posted by will on :
That makes you eligible to drink from the fountain of fools, dustman.
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Want to hear sumpin funny ? I still own 600,000 shrs.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Want to hear sumpin funny ? I still own 600,000 shrs.
Better get registered for the cruise then.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Want to hear sumpin funny ? I still own 600,000 shrs.
LMAO! Guess you don't qualify for CT membership.
Posted by will on :
Just go to your nearest state mental health facility. They will register you, and make you comfortable while you wait for the big boat, toot, toot!
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Want to hear sumpin funny ? I still own 600,000 shrs.
Better get registered for the cruise then.
Posted by Upside on :
Isn't there an old song called Ship of Fools?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Isn't there an old song called Ship of Fools?
Hell, you must be thinking of "Row, row, row your boat". Problem is they have lost their oars.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
My wife just asked me if I was nuts!
She said , those guys will get ya for that!LOL
Hey, the ship o fools , eh?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Isn't there an old song called Ship of Fools?
Hell, you must be thinking of "Row, row, row your boat". Problem is they have lost their oars.
Just goggled it, it's actually a movie from 1965. Maybe a re-make? This time it'll be a comedy though.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Why did you gargle it?
OH! Never mind.
Posted by will on :
Wonder if legal will put his Napolean outfit on, and proclaim himself Captain of the ship. Maybe he'll stuff his overfed body in one of his old uniforms he wore when battling toughs on his bad part of town beat, and try to tell everyone it is an Admiral's outfit.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Last week when that .01 went thru, it showed my shrs worth $60,000.00
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
He don't need no badges.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Last week when that .01 went thru, it showed my shrs worth $60,000.00
Bet your bank wanted to give you a loan using it as collateral, huh? Now that would be a good deal.
Posted by will on :
collateral?? The bank would be more generous if you used a stick a gum or a tic tac for collateral.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Yep, I should of bought a storage shed on skiis and gone in the mining buisness...Instead.
Then hire Carl Sagans ghost to sell billions and billions of shares..
Hey, that shed would of made a good kool-aide stand for the faithful..
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Yep, I should of bought a storage shed on skiis and gone in the mining buisness...Instead.
Then hire Carl Sagans ghost to sell billions and billions of shares..
I think there's one available in a dump somewhere in Saskatchewan.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I'm going to bed. Good night.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Sheds R Us LTD
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Good night Tin Man.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Want to hear sumpin funny ? I still own 600,000 shrs.
LMAO! Guess you don't qualify for CT membership.
Forget about the CT membership. They have started a new koolaid forum on pb49. No one allowed on the new board unless you can drink it by the gallons. Even the Admin of pb32 was banned from there because he has reservation now about cmkx. Talk about a group of brainwashed people. Even causal koolaid drinkers think the are nuts. Debi is a mod on that board and most of the CT and ex pb32 pumpers are going wild there with dreams even magic mushrooms can't give you. It'd Noah's new home too.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ed, you still hold a lot of CMKX shares. I need to know if you will be wanting an invitation to the "Shareholder Cruise" when this hits, so we can get you registered. I think you still own a few too don't you Bill?
I invested in CMKX for the sole purpose of making money. I dont want any cruises, I dont want any diamonds. All I want is for this thing to go one way or another so I can figure out how big my eventual loss will be. Show me some money, and you'll never hear from me again. I'll be off running my business and investing in companies that pay cash dividends so I can play golf now and then and enjoy my third retirement.
Posted by bill1352 on :
a cmkx cruise???? that ship has to sink, nothing else is possible. i can't imagine a more jinxed cruise. legal, no i sold my last few shares about febuary. its bad enough i have the divys in my account reminding me of my utter lack of brains on that buy. i might as well bought dope & got stoned till it ran out, at least then i'd have gotten something out of it. i coulda went to Windsor & got a hooker for 24 hrs & got something for my money. might have needed a doctor to get rid of it but......
Posted by legaleagle on :
Laugh now. LOL
Posted by Doctoall on :
Wallace: A great time was had by all who attended the Monday Night Football game. Struggled but a great finish for the "Steelers" Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ed, you still hold a lot of CMKX shares. I need to know if you will be wanting an invitation to the "Shareholder Cruise" when this hits, so we can get you registered. I think you still own a few too don't you Bill?
Shareholder Cruise??? You gotta be kidding.... what a joke!
Posted by legaleagle on :
New slogan going around: Got PCBM - Got CMKX
All should check it out.
Posted by Peaser01 on :
Is this heaven?
Posted by Peaser01 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: I don't know, I had a mental image of a bunch of newly homeless Americans floating on a makeshift raft in the middle of the ocean flying "Got CMKX" flags.
Maybe they are using the old 'Got CMKX?' billboard from the Nascar race that I saw last year. It could be a good raft, well, unless they homeless go CMKX fever and started drilling.
What good is a raft with holes?
Posted by Ric on :
Yeah, what a link. One revoked company associated with another. PCBM shareholders have been dreaming up theories for a year now. Thats how long the stock has stopped trading after being revoked. And they have got nothing. But now CMKX is going to be their salvation. roflmao
I can see cmkx holders doing the same thing a year from now. "any day now they will issue a cash divy to trap shorty". This is what the new cult board pb49 is coming up with. lol
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: New slogan going around: Got PCBM - Got CMKX
All should check it out.
Posted by bill1352 on :
PCBM will be saved by CMKX, a yr from now CMKX will be saved by PRRM thus also saving PCBM. ya gotta love the hope of these ppl owning multi-billion share companies. some research medical facility needs to do a study on these ppl. there has to be some chemical reacting that buying & holding a dilution machine stock causes thus blocking reality in that 1 area.
Posted by bill1352 on :
just browsed that link Ric... proof they have no clue is in the short squeeze in action link. talking about WDAM. great play...put 1 of my bosses in it today. he will be out by 2pm with 50%. these ppl never look at chit. they don't see the filings stating the new company controlers have 418 million shares they can sell at any time. to the new ppl's credit they have been slow on the dump but with 160 million traded in the last 2 days some had to be dumped. watching the trades come in proves it.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Hey guys while at the QBID open house yesterday in Burbank, there was an investor wearing a CMKX hat. Well it turned out to be Ron2w and he still believes that "MahWho" has some great tricks up his sleeve. And geez Qbid was not even serving Kool-aid at the party
And for the record he was a real nice guy.
[ October 12, 2005, 13:32: Message edited by: Doctoall ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Isn't there an old song called Ship of Fools?
Here's your ship Upside. LOL
Captain Bravado Long ago, there lived an officer of the Royal Navy named Captain Bravado. He was a manly man's man, who showed no fear when facing his enemies.
One day, while sailing the Seven Seas, his lookout spotted a pirate ship approaching, and the crew became frantic. Captain Bravado bellowed, "Bring me my red shirt!"
The first mate quickly retrieved the captain's red shirt, and while wearing the brightly colored frock, the Captain led his crew into battle and defeated the pirates.
That evening, all the men sat around on the deck recounting the day's triumph. One of them asked the Captain, "Sir, why did you call for your red shirt before battle?"
The captain replied, "If I were to be wounded in the attack, the shirt would not show my blood. Thus, you men would continue to fight, unafraid." All of the men sat and marveled at the courage of such a manly man's man.
As dawn came the next morning, the lookout spotted not one, not two, but TEN pirate ships approaching. The crew stared in worshipful silence at the captain and waited for his usual orders. Captain Bravado gazed with steely eyes upon the vast armada arrayed against his ship, and without fear, turned and calmly shouted, "Get me my brown pants!"
Posted by bill1352 on :
at least you still have a sence of humor legal..lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
How else would I put up with you people?
Posted by kevy0899 on :
Anyone notice this? I am figuring its some sort of mistake. $1
0.0001 3000000 OTO 15:48:41 0.0001 3000000 OTO 15:45:35 0.0001 2500000 OTO 15:44:24 1.00 100000 OTO 15:44:15 0.0001 3000000 OTO 15:44:08 0.0001 2000000 OTO 15:41:40
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Holly $hit, Can you believe after 8 months of trying to sell at .0001 it filled today. I have not been following CMKX at all, does anyone know whats up??
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: How else would I put up with you people?
------------------------------------------------- Do you mean, like Tin Men?
Posted by Polarbear17 on :
I noticed this too , strange thats twice now in so many days it spiked last time it was .10 a share. Who would buy in at that price , must be a mistake.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Big Rod, "after 8 months of trying to sell at .0001 it filled today."
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you sell? I'm as surprised as you are.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Polarbear17: I noticed this too , strange thats twice now in so many days it spiked last time it was .10 a share. Who would buy in at that price , must be a mistake.
P.T. Barnum said it best a hundred years ago: There's a sucker born every minute.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Good Lord, guys. Legal was right !!!! We're all gonna be millionaires !!!!!
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: Big Rod, "after 8 months of trying to sell at .0001 it filled today."
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you sell? I'm as surprised as you are.
3 Million....Has anyone else been able to sell at .0001 ???
Posted by will on :
If you're right, ed, (which I seriously doubt), bring me my brown pants, man.
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Good Lord, guys. Legal was right !!!! We're all gonna be millionaires !!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Congrats Bigrod.
Posted by Upside on :
Dang! I sold my entire 4 million months ago for .00004! Today it's going for .0001? That's a bit more than a doubler guys! Upside screwed up again! Why didn't any of you tell me to hold?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
lol, When Big said that Upman, you were the first one a thought of. Legal told you, couldn't you hear it?...LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
It would be nearly impossible to make a fat finger mistake of three digits.
If you think that the trade was a fat finger you would also have to believe that someone was trying to make a $10.00 purchase.
The MM's are playing with the trades.IMO
Posted by legaleagle on :
Shhhhhhhh........Listen.........can you hear it?........I can.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Guess Upside woke you up, huh, legal. LOL
I can hear it! Swoooossssshhhhh!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
With 424 trades today, it can't be fat. Somebodys finger has got be tired and skinny after todays workout.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
hey guys
imagine in a couple of months or years this stocks jumps from 100%-100000% .0002-1.00????
this would be very surpising
look just stop.................imagine it
Posted by Ric on :
no legal it is actually real easy to make that typo. In any accounting program numbers are rounded to a decimal point but if you put in 0001 without the decimal then the accounting program assumes its 1.00 and would entered it as 1.00. So it looks like a missing decimal error. Real easy to do it actually. One keystrock error the same as leaving out a zero but in this case they left out a decimal.
Besides, sells/buys are not automatically entered into big tape on pinksheets. Once the sell or buy is done then a data entry person manually enters it into the big tape program. If it wasn't a typo why correct it?
[ October 12, 2005, 21:53: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by johnny14511 on :
but sometimes the program buys the lowest possible
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: lol, When Big said that Upman, you were the first one a thought of. Legal told you, couldn't you hear it?...LOL
I tried to but he kept saying shhhh.....
Posted by stockster5 on :
If cmkx has 780 bil o/s then wouldn't their market cap be 78 mil. If this is close to true, then the market cap logic for cmkx would suggest that cmkx doesn't fulfill this indicator at all. If my assumption is correct, then wouldn't this indicator by itself give one pause when considering a stock such as cmkx?
S5
Posted by Ric on :
Pedro2004 God of Diamonds
member is online
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,300 What's you opinion on Article VIII and IX ? « Thread Started on Yesterday at 11:02pm »
HEY RIC IS THERE A WEBSITE YOU CAN GET THEESE ARTICLES FROM????FOR ANY STOCK
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Shhhhhhhh........Listen.........can you hear it?........I can.
Yes, we can hear it..... it is the sound of an idiot typing.
Thanks for answering none of my previous questions.
I can't wait until OCT 20th comes and goes without any news from those crooks at CMKX. Will this prove the whole thing is a scam? Nope, morons like legal will continue to dream up ideas.... and try to pitch to us (and others) that they still own CMKX and thus it still has value.
I eagerly await the day when UC and his buddies are behind bars.
Shhhh..... can you hear it? I can..... that's the sound of Bubba licking his lips in anticipation of his future roommate UC....
Posted by bmarley5780 on :
CMKX please just die.....
Posted by ed19363 on :
Think I'll wait for .0002 to sell.....
Posted by legaleagle on :
.0012 trade just went through. Probably a dropped zero, meant .00012 but it at least means we are trading above .0001. So maybe that .0002 is far away.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: .0012 trade just went through. Probably a dropped zero, meant .00012 but it at least means we are trading above .0001. So maybe that .0002 is far away.
Keep dreaming moron. Maybe Jennifer Anniston or Angelina Jolie will call you up for a double date when you're a multi-millionaire as a result of CMKX....
I think I actually get dumber reading your idiotic theories.
Posted by Ric on :
It's not impossible, as long as there is crazy people out there buying then it can move. MM's don't care as long as they are making money. It is like a bankrupt company getting ready to come out of bankruptcy and all the shares are going to be cancelled. Not sure if the people think the company will change their mind in the last minute or what. But for some reason dead stocks will move right before they are buried. But those caught holding the bag get burnt bad by getting nothing.
Posted by Thorn on :
When I have a bad day, I know I can come hear and always feel better. Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: .0012 trade just went through. Probably a dropped zero, meant .00012 but it at least means we are trading above .0001. So maybe that .0002 is far away.
Keep dreaming moron. Maybe Jennifer Anniston or Angelina Jolie will call you up for a double date when you're a multi-millionaire as a result of CMKX....
I think I actually get dumber reading your idiotic theories.
Santa, such a warm and pleasant fellow. You have truly found a home here.
Posted by ed19363 on :
All right legal, what's your time frame for CMKX to make us some money?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ed, mine may not coincide with the company's. LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
But Maheu is growing old, and would probably like to see this thing through quickly.
Posted by a4realguy on :
10 minutes?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: All right legal, what's your time frame for CMKX to make us some money?
This post really had me laughing, then I realized that you were serious, at least I think you were?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Not really....I figured legal would dance around the question like he always does. I dont remember him ever giving a straight answer to ANY questions. He just pumps away. Ergo, he has no idea either....LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
come on now ed...legal has an idea, in fact he has had a number of idea's. the type of idea's that fiction books are written about. nothing based in the realm of reality or possibility, but legal is never short of idea's.
Posted by bill1352 on :
as for the pps, at some point the mm's have to run out. UC only had just under 100 billion he could dump into the market & about 6 months to do it in. you know the cult has been buying all they can. you know they have pumped new ppl into buying. & unlike legal i don't think the printing press of the mm's is running on cmkx. too much SEC attention right now. as Ric pointed out, bankrupt companies run all the time just before the shares get canceled. in 28 days or less CMKX will trade no more. i'm betting the judge has the finalization all ready. just waiting for cmkx to file its retort to the SEC.. unless they file this is a no-brainer.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: All right legal, what's your time frame for CMKX to make us some money?
Go to a palm reader and have them look at your lifeline. They'll tell you about how many years they think you have left. No matter what their prediction is, it won't be long enough. Hope that helps.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I've done figgered it out! LETS ALL JUST LIE!!
Here me out..
In Washington state it is now legal to lie..
Political campains can say anything they want and cannot be held accountable for it..
The right to to free speach has trumped common sense...
Why can't we do the same?
Pump the living hell out of CMKX and have the money donated to my political campain...I think thats spleled right..What ever, who cares if we lie, cheat, misrepensentent things, mis-spell, use poor grammer and do not keep records, hell everything is wide open now..
I'll figger out sumpin to run for, maybe investment council-liar to the Governorerrer..
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Not really....I figured legal would dance around the question like he always does. I dont remember him ever giving a straight answer to ANY questions. He just pumps away. Ergo, he has no idea either....LOL
Ed, your questions are usually bait. I've been around long enough to know there is a hook in the worm.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Fishing is fun!
Posted by stockster5 on :
Hey folks, can a company deem their stock worthless while handing you its shell company stock instead of a cash div.?? S5
Posted by ed19363 on :
Buy quickly !!! CMKX is going thru the roof in the very near future !!! All signs point to it being the buy of a lifetime !!! Dont miss out, get yours while the price is low !!!
Also, see the man next door for the lowest prices on Doctor Doolittle's Snake Oil. Good fer whut ails ya.
Posted by legaleagle on :
LATEST DR D
Hi everyone.
It is good to see the wheels around CMKX turning again. The energy that is being generated is very intriguing as it is coming from both sides, positive and negative. We have everything coming it looks like…Cash dividends, buy-outs, short squeeze, valuation, our defaulted reports to the SEC, etc… man you have to love this stock. Even the market makers seem to be getting into the action as it appears market manipulation and messages are being sent across the wires. No one makes a $1 fat finger trying to hit .0001 on a buy order, so don’t think that was an accident, NO WAY, IMHO!
On the other hand, we are definitely on a timeline with the SEC and it appears that something is going to give one way or the other over the next 3 to 4 months. No one wants a revocation and word from within the company says they are trying to avoid it, so there you go. In case the unwanted revocation does happen I believe we still have another appeal up our sleeve if we end up needing it, so let’s not be “all in” over the next few weeks developments.
Many of us have been around for several years and we have seen the promises from our IR come up empty. We have seen the endless rumors from races, conversations with Urban, the attorney’s, Ed Dhonau, Rendal Williams, friends in high places, etc… that 99% of the time never manifested. It doesn’t mean that these were lies, basher tactics, or intentional misleading; sometimes things are intended to go a certain way, but have to be changed. I’m definitely not saying the 99% were intended direction, but had to be changed, but for the sake of this post I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
What I am saying is that things concerning CMKX and rumored developments are to be kept in proper perspective and should not be taken as truth, fact, or as being a “done deal” regardless of the source. There will always be some newbies around, but I would think that most everyone in CMKX at this point should be mature enough to know that nothing is full proof until it is either in the PPS, in “our” bank account, in our portfolio, etc…
I know much is being generated from what Andy (our IR guy) has been releasing through mini-posts and pop-ups of some sort and I would think that Andy would not mislead anyone, but at the same time I don’t think Andy is saying what most believe he is saying. I would think Andy’s professionalism would out weigh his desire to inform or misinform any shareholders at this stage of the game. If Andy has said what many shareholders are saying he said, then the company would be liable and Andy could be brought up on charges and Andy isn’t that foolish.
So I think if you want to know what Andy has said, do like I do when I want to know what Andy has to say, “I pick up the phone and call him”. He’s easy to talk to, has a good head on his shoulders, and is there to assist you in any way he can in interpreting the information that the company has already made public.
I have heard that even Melvin (our Ex-IR) has been calling individuals and making comments about CMKX’s new found success and the immediate benefit that shareholders are going to experience and this too has many shareholders excited and overly anxious to apprehend their “fortune in waiting”. I like Melvin, and he too is very easy to speak with and I would suggest if anyone is getting rumor about Melvin’s so called conversations with others, then I would give him a call to talk with him directly.
I will close as I am pressed for time, I would only mention that I see no way a dividend can possibly be paid by the 20th, as it would have to be reported:
10b-17 Untimely Announcements of Record Dates a. It shall constitute a "manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance" as used in Section 10(b) of the Act for any issuer of a class of securities publicly traded by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to fail to give notice in accordance with paragraph (b) hereof of the following actions relating to such class of securities: 1. A dividend or other distribution in cash or in kind, except an ordinary interest payment on a debt security, but including a dividend or distribution of any security of the same or another issuer; 2. A stock split or reverse split; or 3. A rights or other subscription offering. b. Notice shall be deemed to have been given in accordance with this section only if: 1. Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes:
It is very possible that we should be getting some news to update us about current developments and probable steps the Team has been making in resolving Corporate governance issues, Regulatory issues, NSS position issues, etc… Yes, we could even get an announcement about an upcoming distribution of some type of share from a JV or cash from some kind of a settlement.
The announcement would be better at this point, IMHO, as it would pressure the market to match the value of the possible distribution in the market place on CMKX’s PPS before the record date is reached and they owe the value of the distribution and still owe the NSS position.
The likelihood of this scenario is slim and not to be expected in the immediate, although with so many saying so much about the same good things coming, it is hard to stay focused and level headed.
I do expect that positive developments would be timely for CMKX as Stoecklein and company have been working for several months to accomplish several different tasks in relation to the company. Mr. Maheu and Mr. Casavant have reportedly been very busy as well, so in closing I for one prefer to stay positive about everything in life, and this includes CMKX. I believe in the probable upcoming good fortune we as shareholders will experience as the potential for CMKX is developed and realized.
A special thanks to Mr. Maheu, Mr. Casavant, and Mr. Stoecklein for their continued effort for all of us and for their determination and vigor to achieve success.
Be well! Success is still at hand! [image]
These are just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
Dr.D
Posted by johnny14511 on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Buy quickly !!! CMKX is going thru the roof in the very near future !!! All signs point to it being the buy of a lifetime !!! Dont miss out, get yours while the price is low !!!
Also, see the man next door for the lowest prices on Doctor Doolittle's Snake Oil. Good fer whut ails ya.
hey RICKPIC
what do you think you think is going to happen?
Posted by Marty on :
Holy carp, Moonies!!!!!!! Want to buy some flowers? LOL.....have fun
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: LATEST DR D
Hi everyone.
It is good to see the wheels around CMKX turning again. The energy that is being generated is very intriguing as it is coming from both sides, positive and negative. We have everything coming it looks like…Cash dividends, buy-outs, short squeeze, valuation, our defaulted reports to the SEC, etc… man you have to love this stock. Even the market makers seem to be getting into the action as it appears market manipulation and messages are being sent across the wires. No one makes a $1 fat finger trying to hit .0001 on a buy order, so don’t think that was an accident, NO WAY, IMHO!
On the other hand, we are definitely on a timeline with the SEC and it appears that something is going to give one way or the other over the next 3 to 4 months. No one wants a revocation and word from within the company says they are trying to avoid it, so there you go. In case the unwanted revocation does happen I believe we still have another appeal up our sleeve if we end up needing it, so let’s not be “all in” over the next few weeks developments.
Many of us have been around for several years and we have seen the promises from our IR come up empty. We have seen the endless rumors from races, conversations with Urban, the attorney’s, Ed Dhonau, Rendal Williams, friends in high places, etc… that 99% of the time never manifested. It doesn’t mean that these were lies, basher tactics, or intentional misleading; sometimes things are intended to go a certain way, but have to be changed. I’m definitely not saying the 99% were intended direction, but had to be changed, but for the sake of this post I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
What I am saying is that things concerning CMKX and rumored developments are to be kept in proper perspective and should not be taken as truth, fact, or as being a “done deal” regardless of the source. There will always be some newbies around, but I would think that most everyone in CMKX at this point should be mature enough to know that nothing is full proof until it is either in the PPS, in “our” bank account, in our portfolio, etc…
I know much is being generated from what Andy (our IR guy) has been releasing through mini-posts and pop-ups of some sort and I would think that Andy would not mislead anyone, but at the same time I don’t think Andy is saying what most believe he is saying. I would think Andy’s professionalism would out weigh his desire to inform or misinform any shareholders at this stage of the game. If Andy has said what many shareholders are saying he said, then the company would be liable and Andy could be brought up on charges and Andy isn’t that foolish.
So I think if you want to know what Andy has said, do like I do when I want to know what Andy has to say, “I pick up the phone and call him”. He’s easy to talk to, has a good head on his shoulders, and is there to assist you in any way he can in interpreting the information that the company has already made public.
I have heard that even Melvin (our Ex-IR) has been calling individuals and making comments about CMKX’s new found success and the immediate benefit that shareholders are going to experience and this too has many shareholders excited and overly anxious to apprehend their “fortune in waiting”. I like Melvin, and he too is very easy to speak with and I would suggest if anyone is getting rumor about Melvin’s so called conversations with others, then I would give him a call to talk with him directly.
I will close as I am pressed for time, I would only mention that I see no way a dividend can possibly be paid by the 20th, as it would have to be reported:
10b-17 Untimely Announcements of Record Dates a. It shall constitute a "manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance" as used in Section 10(b) of the Act for any issuer of a class of securities publicly traded by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to fail to give notice in accordance with paragraph (b) hereof of the following actions relating to such class of securities: 1. A dividend or other distribution in cash or in kind, except an ordinary interest payment on a debt security, but including a dividend or distribution of any security of the same or another issuer; 2. A stock split or reverse split; or 3. A rights or other subscription offering. b. Notice shall be deemed to have been given in accordance with this section only if: 1. Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes:
It is very possible that we should be getting some news to update us about current developments and probable steps the Team has been making in resolving Corporate governance issues, Regulatory issues, NSS position issues, etc… Yes, we could even get an announcement about an upcoming distribution of some type of share from a JV or cash from some kind of a settlement.
The announcement would be better at this point, IMHO, as it would pressure the market to match the value of the possible distribution in the market place on CMKX’s PPS before the record date is reached and they owe the value of the distribution and still owe the NSS position.
The likelihood of this scenario is slim and not to be expected in the immediate, although with so many saying so much about the same good things coming, it is hard to stay focused and level headed.
I do expect that positive developments would be timely for CMKX as Stoecklein and company have been working for several months to accomplish several different tasks in relation to the company. Mr. Maheu and Mr. Casavant have reportedly been very busy as well, so in closing I for one prefer to stay positive about everything in life, and this includes CMKX. I believe in the probable upcoming good fortune we as shareholders will experience as the potential for CMKX is developed and realized.
A special thanks to Mr. Maheu, Mr. Casavant, and Mr. Stoecklein for their continued effort for all of us and for their determination and vigor to achieve success.
Be well! Success is still at hand! [image]
These are just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
Dr.D
Posted by bill1352 on :
stockster...forget gwgo. its another mining dilution machine. if you own it think of it as a loss & put no more cash in it. just let it sit or get out. the divys dont trade & the coming r/s will kill ya. if it has a quick run that gets ya even or up a bit get out. if you get the divys good, might as well have worthless crap in your account like cmkx shareholders past & present. who knows 1 day it might have value.
Posted by bill1352 on :
good old dr d, still keeping the lie alive. unless cmkx got an auditor after it got some books together & unless everything is completed before the judge says final cmkx will be revoked. but then they didn't report getting an auditor which would be another violation of SEC rules. but then whats 1 more added to the list. the cults motto should be "Don't believe your lying eyes."
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Notice that Dr.Dementia says to talk with Andy and Melvin? Whatever happened to Urban's comments besides the 5th?
Posted by Ric on :
If Dr. Dementia knew what he was talking about when it came to the market then he would know what a fat finger is in the pinksheet market. For one, no broker would screw you like that. If they did then you need a new broker. I can put in $2.00 for a .10 stock and my broker will get me the best price.
But still thats not what a fatfinger is in pinksheets. Pinks don't use the same software as the other exchanges. The broker has to contact the MM and conduct the sell/buy. Once the exchange is made then they must manually go to another software and enter the sell/buy to the big tape. That is done by some secretary or data enter personnel. It is obviously a error because why go through that trouble when some brokers (like Jeff) even forget (ut um) to enter the sell to the big tape all together, lol. It was just the person putting it in forgetiing the decimal, period.
It would be nice for these so called stock gurus to know what they are talking about before running off at the mouth or sticking foot in it. But it really isn't that anyway. This is a person who didn't get enough attention when he was younger and must make these off the wall prediction to make himself look good and everyone to shower him with the attention he needs. Like Willy, Acca, Jay, Carquest, Sterling, and Phx.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I keep telling them they should check in here before posting, but who am I?
Posted by Ric on :
lol Legal
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal you should be proud of the fact you don't make that list. it means you still have a few working brain cells. they might be swimming in kool-aide but there is hope...lol
Posted by stockster5 on :
Marty .. you need not repost/copy a whole reply like that, it's a complete waste of space and bandwidth, thanks.
Thanks bill, it seems this company is similar. Now they are saying distributions to five (5) new companies to maximize shareholder value. yeesh. If the pps pops enough for half my hold to profit, I'll sell half then hold remaining to stay in the game to see what happens. GL s5
Posted by stockster5 on :
bill1352 .. What do you mean by the div's don't trade? Do you mean they don't come up to value once on the market?
S5
Posted by ed19363 on :
stock, he probably means like the divvies CMKX gave. They are restricted shares that cannot be sold. And it costs money to have the restriction lifted at the end of a year (or however long the restriction lasts). In effect, this makes them next to worthless, since they always seem to drop in price after the divvy is declared. As it stands right now, it would cost me more to sell my CMKX dividend stocks than they are worth on the market. In addition, it is approaching a year now, and they are still restricted.
Posted by trailster on :
2.1 billion in the first hour today
Posted by Thorn on :
My humble opinion: what's the best route to take here? That would be to never resolve the issue. I don't know how that would be accomplished, but that is my best guess as to where CMKX management is headed. Unresolved problems are the best when the person did not meet the stockholder's expectations; it's really hard to argue an issue when it is unresolved. Posted by right42day on :
etrade showing .0002 whoa baby....
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
That last trade was 1000 shs. At .0002, that's a total of 20 cents. LOL
Posted by Thorn on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: That last trade was 1000 shs. At .0002, that's a total of 20 cents. LOL
Hey! There's your millions!
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Um, rather than lying eyes, wouldn't it be more like "Stand by your man"?
It's just a matter of time before they start the buyout, you know it!
Posted by SingleDad703 on :
Where is Legal?
Posted by stockcrazy on :
I am seeing correctly, multiple 0.0002 sales?????
Posted by tic_toc on :
LOL the bloated monster has awoke
Posted by Ric on :
Thorn, you do know that was posted July the 6th and it said that it would happen the next friday. Also the link provided as a source doesn't work. Looks like an recycled false rumor to me.
Posted by Ric on :
As I stated this is common when a stock is nearing its end. Not sure why.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: It's not impossible, as long as there is crazy people out there buying then it can move. MM's don't care as long as they are making money. It is like a bankrupt company getting ready to come out of bankruptcy and all the shares are going to be cancelled. Not sure if the people think the company will change their mind in the last minute or what. But for some reason dead stocks will move right before they are buried. But those caught holding the bag get burnt bad by getting nothing.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Still waiting for the company to speak. Believe nothing except PRs. Everything else is someone's opinion, with no foundation in fact. No proof.
Posted by Thorn on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Thorn, you do know that was posted July the 6th and it said that it would happen the next friday. Also the link provided as a source doesn't work. Looks like an recycled false rumor to me.
Sorry. Next time I'll explicitly state that I was being sarcastic .
One point: I'd be careful believing PRs as well, as you guys should know having had some from the CMKX management. Posted by Ric on :
Sorry, sometimes hard to tell on this thread. Some believe the wildest things, lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
Dave Patch on CNBC Today
Dave Patch, founder of Investigatethesec.com will be on CNBC today. He will be interviewed by Ron Insana during his show "Street Signs," which airs from 2 to 3 pm
Posted by legaleagle on :
: CMKX 3,002,496,726 * $.0002
Posted by Ric on :
Here is a wild theory for you. How about the Commission ruled on the matter to not hear the appeal and it was leaked out to the market and they are making a killing before revocation is announced. Posted by legaleagle on :
Nice try Ric.
Posted by legaleagle on :
SCAM
S.ecret C.anadian A.sset M.anagement
Posted by Ric on :
S.ecret C.asavant A.ccounting M.is-management
Posted by legaleagle on :
BOTTOM LINE WILL DETERMINE MANAGEMENT VS MIS-MANAGEMENT
Posted by Ric on :
Wonder who is dumping.
82 million at .0001 74 million 55 million 16 million 92 million 54 million 32 million 30 million 204 million 13 million Many around 10 million all sells.
Looks like a few very smart people. Or maybe UC and family. Or is it the last few shares in a/s?
Posted by Thorn on :
...a killing? 0_o
Posted by Aquapurity on :
What's happening with the .0002 sales?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Etrade saying .00009 x .0005 After calling the MM and verifying.
Posted by Ric on :
roflmao
Posted by legaleagle on :
Looks like Etrades Market Maker doesn't want anyone to buy. Other brokers showing .00009 X .00015
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Whats going on? this thing is trading up!
Posted by Big Green 1 on :
Duh - can I buy 100,000,000 at .0002..........LOL
Posted by Thorn on :
It's the buy of a lifetime!
(Translation: could take you a lifetime to recover your losses.)
Posted by Big Green 1 on :
Who - In their right mind would sell/buy 100 shares....see below
Time & Sales Price Size Exch Time 0.0002 1000000 OTO 14:47:33 0.0001 250000 OTO 14:45:12 0.0002 2000000 OTO 14:44:31 0.0002 3000000 OTO 14:44:27 0.0002 2000000 OTO 14:44:16 0.0002 5000000 OTO 14:44:09 0.0002 1000000 OTO 14:44:09 0.0001 999999 OTO 14:43:58 0.0002 1000000 OTO 14:42:03 0.0002 580010 OTO 14:41:40 0.0002 800000 OTO 14:41:22 0.0002 5000000 OTO 14:40:21 0.0001 1000000 OTO 14:39:00 0.0002 1000000 OTO 14:37:55 0.0002 2519900 OTO 14:36:53 0.0001 100 OTO 14:36:29 0.0001 9999900 OTO 14:36:29 0.0002 250000 OTO 14:35:52 0.0002 9000000 OTO 14:34:42 0.0002 9000000 OTO 14:33:03 0.0002 2000000 OTO 14:33:02 0.0001 500000 OTO 14:29:57 0.0002 500000 OTO 14:29:14 0.0002 898200 OTO 14:17:04 0.0002 1000 OTO 14:05:54 0.0001 5000000 OTO 14:04:26 0.0001 5000000 OTO 13:48:27 0.0001 5000000 OTO 13:48:24 0.0002 999900 OTO 13:46:35 0.0002 1175000 OTO 13:45:01
: CMKX 3,391,671,412 * $.0002
Posted by legaleagle on :
Who - In their right mind would sell/buy 100 shares....see below
TRADE SIGNALS
Posted by Big Green 1 on :
Still......that's a nice chunk of change for someone....definately not me......LOL
Posted by Thorn on :
(this is just asking for it to be written)
Who in their right mind would buy?
(And I say that wrt all the controversy going on right now, regardless of how it turns out.)
Posted by Big Green 1 on :
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know a few folks at the assylum.....I remember them fondly............LOL
Suckers Come Along Mindlessly
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Who - In their right mind would sell/buy 100 shares....see below
TRADE SIGNALS
Of course they need share to sell to these crazy people who listen to rumors and are going into a buying frenzy thinking they well be rich. Thats why these pumpers need to go to jail after all this is over. And of course all these MM's want a piece of this pie. Not just the MM that is dumping shares for UC and the company.
Posted by legaleagle on :
QUITE AN IMAGINATION THERE RIC
Posted by Ric on :
No way I could top some of the cult members imagination though. But thanks.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well i'll be...microcap has a .0002 ask but no bid listed which means buying is less then .0001. a 100+% spread...i'd say the mm's are more then willing to sell but wont buy. now if you had bought at .00005 a few months ago money could have been made....i wonder how many that did buy at .00005 are selling at .00009. only way to get their money back on the shares they bought at .0004.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i tell 1 of the owners i contract too to buy WDAM the other day at .0195, his first stock buy ever of any kind. i tell him to sell at .028 later that day. we buy back at .03 at close. he sells 50% at .038. i look just now its .046 on bid, i call tell him sell, he can't so i do. he calls right back, he couldn't talk before because they were paying him off at a slot machine...$3,500.00. that takes him to about $15,000.00 in the last month. i'm not tellin this S.O.B about another f'in stock unless i get a cut....lol
Posted by farpceca on :
cmkx is the ashtray of wall street lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
SEEMS TO ME A LOT OF WALL STREET'S BUTTS ARE IN THE STREET. WHY WOULD THEY NEED AN ASHTRAY.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Looks like a last ditch effort to salvage what they can before CMKX is revoked. Not a bad idea.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Just to be safe, I put a sell order in for 9M shares at $1.00 for Monday. I dont want to miss out on the rush to buy.
Posted by bill1352 on :
like many stocks about to end its life a small run now isn't unheard of. get what you can, about 5 trading days left, maybe a few more. i hope for many's sake they can sell close to even, if not many a few bucks. the foolish will hold thinking this is the big run they have been waiting for. if you can get .0001 & who knows maybe .0002 it might be worth taking & runnning.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
LOL! FUN,FUN!
Posted by legaleagle on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMO for the ask to jump to .0002 at this point, SOMETHING big had to have happened that forced the MMs to breach an area that heretofore had been hermetically sealed. They had locked us in in the quad 4s since the hearing and appeared rigidly determined to not let it rise above. This is not pumping by Willy Wizard and such that has brought this on. On that I feel 100% confident. IMO, there were probably VERY few retail buys today. Of course there were some speculators, but imo the vast majority of retail investors already own what they are going to own. Until real news hits, I highly doubt many were willing to up their positions by any significant amount. Even the hardcore of the longs probably don't want to deal with even a sliver of a possibility that they could buy at .0002 today and end up back under .0001 by next week (I don't believe that will happen but with cmkx we've learned anything is possible). So there were a few test buys today but otherwise I think we saw real covering for the first time in a long time. And I don't think they got what they needed at .0001 so they had to finally breach that barrier and go for a higher bid/ask. As their time is limited, they may have to reach higher and higher. If the company actually gives them enough time, they may be able to move the bid to .0002, .0003 or maybe even higher to shake out the final round of doubters who "just want their money back". This would be the smartest strategy imo and what I have thought all along must happen. While I don't generally give in to the pumpers, in this case I'm going to make an exception. Too many factors appear to be coinciding at once. Andy has indicated that the company plans on communicating prior to the 20th. Both Jay Adobe and Carquest are pumping in fifth gear... Volume out of nowhere picks up and .0001 is finally breached. Other tidbits begin trickling in regarding the area (Forest Gate, Entourage, Carina, etc.). Refco goes down in a heap of flames with more hedge funds likely to follow. That's a lot going on at once. Certainly enough to snap me out of the dark cloud cmkx has put over us all and see at least a lone ray of sunlight.
The results from FALC are too compelling. There MUST be something happening with a company that owns this huge a parcel of land in this area. There are a ton of rumors that a "deal" has been struck. I anxiously await confirmation of such a deal, but my confidence level has soared that SOMETHING has happened to our benefit. There is just no other fathomable reason for a stock on its revocation deathbed since June to suddenly perk up and move UP like this. Most revocation stories are sad, washed-out stocks that simply limp into revocation on life support. Our ask has jumped 400% from .00004 after the hearing to .0002 today. This is flat-out bizarre and can only be explained by a turn of events that we are not yet aware of imo.
If the Shatzko connection is of as much significance as some on these boards think, it's extraordinary. It didn't take much probing for me to figure out that in addition to the fact that Shatzko was the founder and Chair of Mountain Province Diamonds, he is a director with Iciena Ventures, a company that had a very prominent JV with (drum roll please) Fipke ( http://stockjunction.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=141 ). Yeah, there's a connection I like. How deep Shatzko's involvement with anything is unknown to me but there are certainly enough inferences to put it on my watch list.
Are we in the final stage? Unfortunately, I've beaten down with cmkx so much that it's hard for me to ever have any real expectations on success. But I will say that for the first time in 6 months, I'm back to feeling there's a chance that something good has finally happened that will benefit us all. I hope Oct 20 isn't a setup for disappointment. The market today tells me there is a very real chance something good will happen soon. We wait. And just for kicks I'll say "We are in good hands. The pilots have known all along exactly what they are doing." LOL Sorry, couldn't resist.
hey legal.... you mentioned a buyback as a possibility to reduce the O/S.... has anything been done about this or is it still the same ol large 1 trillion share O/S as it was previous?
just curious becaues im bored and work and this thread seems to not want to go away.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Monopoly, I only have rumor on that.
Posted by Ric on :
Buyback???? Looked more like dump today. Besides the company is in debt by 36 million and owe 2 million to Nevada minerals soon. Probably the reason for the dump if UC didn't pocket it. So far they had to give everything away to Nevada to even say they have rights still.
Mining is very expensive and it looks like Nevada Minerals was the smart one in the deal. And since CMKX only made 45-60 thousand last year in Ecuador and had to use it for equipment and still owed Nevada which was paid with sands, how long will it take to pay off the 2 million dollars? 40 years at that rate if they got to keep it this time. What an investment.
[ October 15, 2005, 00:50: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by derek111c on :
If it were a dump wouldn’t the pps still be at .0001 or below?
Actually seems more like buying to me.
Posted by Ric on :
Not if the people selling it were getting a kickback. Most dumps are from rumors started then dumps made on what looks like a run and everyone wins except the common investors. Look at most dumps and you will see the PPS was increased and after the dump it falls like a rock. ICAN was one of the most recent ones. Whoever is helping the company dump offers a percentage for help in getting the PPS up. It is very common. Just look at Qbid, every price increase went alone with a dilution of shares.
If you were a MM approached by a dealer that had shares to unload that offered you either a percentage or a certain number of shares to sell them for you do you want the pps to drop or go up?
And of course its buying. You can't dump without buyers.
Posted by Ric on :
How does a company in debt keep paying someone $40,000 a month and a legal team yet be in debt?
Maybe the question should be why? What would have happened if they didn't put up a little fight? If they just dropped this, what would 50 thousand investors do? They already hired their own lawyer.
I think the answer is in the first appeal. Stoecklien was on vacation and the forms needed to be filed just to allow the appeal but they weren't even filed yet. Frizzell threatened to file with Nevada to have a stockholders meeting to replace management. All of a sudden Stoeckliens assistant filed the papers.
Also going back to the hearing, UC took the fifth not for anything but personnel reason hence the personal lawyers. I think the thought of 50 thousand shareholders and a takeover where someone else would get to look at the books is the driving force to this. UC can use a million to cover up that he took tens of millions.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Buyback???? Looked more like dump today. Besides the company is in debt by 36 million and owe 2 million to Nevada minerals soon. Probably the reason for the dump if UC didn't pocket it. So far they had to give everything away to Nevada to even say they have rights still.
Mining is very expensive and it looks like Nevada Minerals was the smart one in the deal. And since CMKX only made 45-60 thousand last year in Ecuador and had to use it for equipment and still owed Nevada which was paid with sands, how long will it take to pay off the 2 million dollars? 40 years at that rate if they got to keep it this time. What an investment.
Posted by derek111c on :
I do understand what you mean. I see so many companies pulling this crap. Few tactics I notice are: the old rumor pump and dump scam, Fluff news while increasing the OS, divi lure while flooding out shares.
The thing is with CMKX is that it has so many rumors floating around that it seems nearly impossible to pump. Unless you are saying that they deliberately manipulated it to .0002 using their own cash to create the illusion of something big about to happen. Once traders take the bait they sell off for a quick buck. With as many bs rumors and talk this thing has seen this would probably be about the only tactic that could still work. We will see.
Is it possible that the company could have been using the current gloomy period in time to silently buy back shares at levels below say .00005?
Posted by duediligence1 on :
This is how the big boys make money. Buy it up cheap knowing they have die hard investors that will buy if it runs and refuse to sell and take some profits. The daytrader make a killing off them when they feel the time is right to sell which looked like today. These people refuse to take a little profit while the daytraders make a killing. Daytraders love these people and make a good living off them. And the company can make out too by dilution and when the CEO breaks the law by not filing for his sells, he makes a killing to. I have yet to see one filing from UC or the company on sells or buys. UM MM
Posted by duediligence1 on :
You don't dump 703 billion shares to buyback. For what is said about the gold mines they can't pay their bills. How do you go in debt and not pay bills and talk about a buyback?
Posted by Ric on :
Buyback, now thats really funny.
Posted by Ric on :
No really though if you followed this at all you have to see there is no way a buyback is taking place. As said, the company is in debt according to the accountants. As said, we know CMKX couldn't pay Nevada Minerals so CMKX had to give up the sands containing gold. We know they have to pay 2 million dollars to Nevada Mineral in November or they lose the rights to them. There is rumors UC is selling property. They are having to pay lawyers and a huge salary. But then too CMKX has no employees so UC and Maheu are the only ones being paid. And we know this because there is no expense in the books for salaries, or payroll taxes. Well, not sure how someone can see a buyback.
Posted by stockiesteve on :
How did this ever get to .0002 ? I would have thought their would have been 100 billion + shares at .0001 . Has someone been buying all along ? Who in their right mind would buy this at .0002 ? Where did all those .0001 go ? Crazy !
Posted by derek111c on :
You do make some good points Ric. It will be interesting to see what happens with this thing. Enjoyed your views. Later, really need some sleep.
Posted by buying on :
what ever happened to CMKI ?
Posted by bill1352 on :
"If the company actually gives them enough time, "......legal your cmkx experts still don't get it do they. they act like the company is in control of their future. cmkx gave up control the day they filed that false form 15 & quit keeping books. its like the guy that drives drunk all the time, he may get away with it for awhile but sooner or later he gets caught. cmkx got caught, they are out on bail & are just awaiting sentencing. the day being revoked is finalized its over. you may still own those shares but they might as well be those rolls of toilet paper the certs have been compared to. you'll never hear from cmkx again. if ever called to task UC will claim that he spent so much money trying to get cmkx back on track he didn't have the money's needed to keep the claims. everything will have been transfered into some other company that will have supposedly bailed UC out on money owed to lawyers. this little bump up in price is meaningless. by mid week if not sooner ask will be listed as .0001 again. cmkx will send its final reply in friday & the week after its being revoked will be upheld. how long the cult holds on to the dream is up to each person but sooner or later reality has to set in.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, what is most entertaining about your arguments is that you are basing them on information from the hearing.
Any information from that hearing is now almost a year old and some of it older. Trying to apply what WAS, has nothing to do with what IS.
You have no idea, for sure, what is going on with this current market for CMKX. But this is certain: Those who bought more shares a few weeks ago at .00004 or 5 are now looking at a 400% increase. And only Monday will tell us more about where this is going.
You cannot even apply historical market applications to this stock because it has never followed such "rules", and probably won't in the future.
Those who follow this stock closely and analyze everything that is occuring, realize that the company could care less about revocation. They are building a conglomerate with some very noteworthy people coming onboard with our JV's. And some noteworthy acquisitions are being made. When all of the smoke is cleared away I think we will see an amalgamation of companies and minerals that will rival any in the world, past or present.
CMKX shareholders will be brought into this merger of companies, after a whole lot of weak handed shareholders are shanken out at trip zero and double zero numbers. And your negativity and application of year old info and speculation is assisting in weakening those hands to sell. I am sure they will greatly appreciate your "input", and that of all the negs, as they look back to what could have been.
I don't know if you are trying to "protect" the innocent, or are just angry because you got out of the stock and have no hope in capitalizing on what may come and want company in your misery. But the day of truth is coming for this company. Those who have reasonably purchased and invested in this company have far more to gain than lose. Those who are OUT have no chance whatsoever of capitalizing on this play. And I think it is that fear of missing what could have been that drives people into such negativity as we have seen on this thread.
I don't think you and others are trying to drive people out of this stock purposely, or prevent newbies from getting in, as much as you are trying to convince yourself that you haven't missed the STOCK PLAY OF A LIFETIME.
Of course, all in my opinion.
Posted by Ric on :
Your so funny legal, lol. Play of a lifetime, lol.
But the giving away of sands because they couldn't pay bills wasn't last year. It just goes to prove that CMKX has no more money. Of course UC does though and he plans on hiding were that money came from too. Thats why lawyers are still involved.
Talk about trying to convince yourself. All the evidense points to a scam. I didn't make it up. You and others are trying to convince yourself this is a stock play of a lifetime when you know the facts say otherwise.
Posted by Ric on :
By the way, I not trying to stop newbies from getting in this. If they can't see the evidence then they deserve what they get at this point. I just love debating especially when I am right,
And I like the people in here too, even the ones from the darkside, lol.
Posted by skoondog on :
All that I can say is that I have never ever seen two people like RIC and wallace#1 you guys are eat up. Your very wrong guys, you have no hope, but you want to shoot everyone in the foot, for there investment!!! you know nothing you do no DD!!!! at all, I have watch you all wright a bunch of ****!!! hERE ON THIS BOARD. nOW DUMB ASS YOU ALL GET WHAT YOU DESERVE!!!! NOTHING, BUT I AM SURE YOU OWN LOTS OF CMKX i CAN BET MY BUT ON IT. So will you two just shut up!!!! you lost and you lost big time.. later cmkx rocks baby.. skoondog
Posted by legaleagle on :
The payments, or a lack of them, to USCA or Nevada Minerals, for the mine are irrelevant since we own USCA and jointly hold everything with Nevada and Dhonau. You really don't understand that the hearing was a joke, a pre-planned kangaroo court to accomplish a given end, do you?
Posted by Ric on :
Did we forget our medication there. Such language. Just shows your class and education. And if you actually read this board you would know that Wallace brought tons of DD last year and I have backed all my statements in the past with DD. It is useless to repeat it every time but I can if you want it. I haven't seen any DD from you to prove us wrong. Matter of fact I have never seen much more then theories without any facts from the cult for quite some time. But really what facts can you give when the company refuses to inform its own shareholders.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Skoondog - BUY CMKX! BUY! BUY! BUY! And be a nice little doggy.
Posted by will on :
WTF is a skoon?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Isnt that where CMKX was going at one time? To das skoon, or something like that?
Posted by bill1352 on :
"The payments, or a lack of them, to USCA or Nevada Minerals, for the mine are irrelevant since we own USCA and jointly hold everything with Nevada and Dhonau. You really don't understand that the hearing was a joke, a pre-planned kangaroo court to accomplish a given end, do you? "
show us proof of anything stated here. cmkx got what was at 1 time 48% of the o/s & supposedly gave all the to the shareholders leaving the company with zero shares of USCA. i'll bet $100 the o/s is not the same as when that took place. show us anything that might prove the court scene was a fake. thats just plain stupid. next thing you'll be saying is that cmkx wasn't really revoked & that when it stops trading its only so the DOJ can count the shares & thus catch bad guys.
Posted by Monopoly Money on :
It was more a statement out of boredome because i knew it would anger people. No other real reason for the question other then amusement and bordom.
quote:Originally posted by duediligence1: You don't dump 703 billion shares to buyback. For what is said about the gold mines they can't pay their bills. How do you go in debt and not pay bills and talk about a buyback?
Posted by Ric on :
Legal, I have been looking over the Pr's. We got restricted share of USCA and they were given to th shareholders. UC said he wasn't keeping any of them. USCA got some of our mineral claims in exchange not vice versa. I see nowhere that CMKX owns an of USCA. Also the main deal with Nevada Minerals were for UNDIVIDED claims. Not sure again where you think CMKX gets anything from these two companies other then what they already have and the joint adventure in equador. But we see how profitable that has been, lol.
Also, the last time I checked we did live in the US. And since do we have kangaroo courts in the USA. There may be verdicts by juries we didn't like but no kangaroo courts. These people want higher offices, Judges don't sit on fake trials in American That is plain ridiculous.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Why waste good DD?
Posted by bullish_pennystocks on :
MORE TROUBLE AHEAD FOR DEN OF THIEVES NITE,JEFF AND OTHERS
REFCO's naked shorting scandal-CNBC video
By: jcline 15 Oct 2005, 09:48 AM EDT Msg. 265287 of 265306
To all from Dave Patch
CNBC video you do not want to miss. Folks,
The attached link is one bringing you to a video feed from yesterdays CNBC Street Signs with Ron Insana. Ron was gracious enough to allow me to come on the show and address the refco scandal as well as the more global issue of naked shorting.
I asked the tough questions that Congress and the SEC must address and address immediately.
How does the SEC allow a company to go public [Refco] while the division and the executives now in scandal [Refco Securities] have been in a multi-year negotiation with the SEC over stock manipulation and fraud? What was the real issue behind the Refco “bad debt” that could not be written off and has now risked the entire business?
I want to thank Ron for the opportunity to let this amateur come out and speak. I have to admit, I think this amateur asked the questions the professionals should have been asking for years.
I can't find a date on the above Yahoo link, hopefully I am not posting old news. However, it is interesting to see that Urban's name is not on the list, nor is Mayhews. Steve
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Looks like I have been zapped with a 1 star by some loon. Was that you, skoon? When CMKX goes down for the last time, you will sing a different tune. It with be a death toll instead of a boon. And, it can happen none too soon.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Skoondog, I don't want to believe your as moronic as your last post looked. At least use the one finger you type with and try and find the 'Spell check' feature on your computer and do us a favor so we can decipher your anal retentive garble. But I think skoon is a alias anyhow. I also don't think Legaleagle is who he/she says they are. How could someone truly believe the wreck that is cmkx and spend the time on those posts and such. Unfortunately, cmkx will somehow be trading long after sec is done with it. Just look at the tickers with 'Q' after them (bankrupt) and still trading. un-freaking-believable. S5
Posted by Ric on :
SUBJECT: CMKX NEWS: Price going WAY UP! SERIOUS! Posted By: MoronHunter Post Time: 10/15/05 15:19 « Previous Message Next Message »
Now that I have your attention...this is one of only 3 serious posts from MoronHunter...pay attention and learn.....oh..if you read it ..you WILL learn...I guarantee it. I DO have a point..but first...
You shareholders in this ...by now you MUST realize that there are no "goods"...that this stock is a standard scam with a mail box location for an address that just got big...too big. UC has spent your money...his wife has access to corporate accounts. Nobody knows where the $10 million went or if it was ever paid in 4 installments. Every auditor has quit or been fired...never any documentation of ANYTHING. There are no employees to speak of, no assets, no revenue worth mentioning, and no results. The SEC has put the hammer down...like on so many other scams...and you are close to losing 100% of everything.
What was done TO YOU and BY YOU...
They (Founders and management)never intended this scam to get so big....but you people, with your false faith, and unreasonable dreams of riches, meant many INNOCENT PEOPLE were convinced by you. And, worst of all, YOUR ravings(maybe innocent at the time) about this stock meant many people (family, friends, church associates)who trusted YOU, dumped their hard-earned dollars into this, only to see their money vanish. C'mon..you know YOU DID THIS!
Which brings me to the reason for this post...
YOU have a choice whether you ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE HURT with your greed...or not.
I have said it before and will say it again...
The only way to make money now (and you ALL KNOW THIS IS TRUE)is to see new innocent investors be fooled into parting with their money.
This will be a "last hurrah" for the stock. The people who are buying now are no different than you, except they do not know what YOU learned. They have not done PROPER due diligence. Heck...they don't even know (like you did'nt) what "due diligensce" really is. Due Diligence is not reading the internet boards or believing PR's. It means reviewing financials...understanding the stock...checking out all the major players...AND THEIR HISTORY in the industry...and most of all...it means UNDERSTANDING THE INDUSTRY YOU ARE INVESTING IN.
What is happening now...with rumors of events to unfold on "the 20th"...is just another in a long line of lies THAT WILL ALSO PROVE UNTRUE.
Just wait and see...on the 21st...NOTHING WILL HAVE HAPPENED.
So....what this is turning into is no longer a stock fraud...because THAT has already happened...with the dumping of shares for the personal gain of a few who invented this scam.
WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW is like a pyramid scheme....near the end of it's life cycle....with the masses of "investors" convincing the last of the "suckers" to buy because the price per share is "so cheap" they "can't afford to pass it up". These final "suckers" will be the ones left holding the bag. Oh, YOU might recover some money...MAYBE MAKE A BUCK OR TWO...but your hands will be dirty.
Holding the bag means this...and YOU KNOW IT'S COMING...
Registration revoked The stock will become 100% worthless The "management" will disappear or go to jail
And more innocents will be hurt.
The proof is in the buying activity...
Rumors are flying...people are getting "excited"...
7 hundred thousand shares here....5 million there...just the levels you would expect from people with only a few hundred or perhaps a thousand dollars or so to invest.
People are irresponsibly believing the rumors of something BIG to happen on the 20th. There is absolutely NO BASIS FOR THIS RUMOR except this is the last desperate attempt by others to keep the attention off of their criminal acts...to keep the attention off of their dozens of examples of obvious fraud....in hopes that all this activity will create enough of a smoke-screen so they can disappear with the millions they made off of YOU.
So...
Are you going to be a part of this?
There is no massive conspiracy....if covering was happening...it would have happened in several large buys...AND YOU KNOW THIS.
The volume.....proves the little guy is still buying....people are desparate to get their money back...FROM ANYONE...even innocent people.
I hope you people can live with yourself.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ric ... Pretty damn concise, I'll say.
Always the clueless.... sung to the tune 'Only the lonely'!
S5
[ October 15, 2005, 22:20: Message edited by: stockster5 ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
HO HUM
Posted by Ric on :
I heard a ho whistle once but never heard one hum, lol. But of course I haven't lived in a big city since Long Beach and San Diego in the 80's so I guess things change. Posted by Marty on :
LOL Ric... Am I using too much bandwidth stockster, or commenting on the topic as before.....no need to reply....
quote:Originally posted by Ric: I heard a ho whistle once but never heard one hum, lol. But of course I haven't lived in a big city since Long Beach and San Diego in the 80's so I guess things change.
Posted by ed19363 on :
4 days to go....somebody wake up the firing squad.
Posted by legaleagle on :
ed: "4 days to go....somebody wake up the firing squad."
Oh, I won't be THAT harsh with you, ed
Posted by Ric on :
I believe the Commission has 21 days to rule on the matter after the 20th rebuttal by CMKX. So there is still time for more theories and I am sure that some of these cult members will say that since they didn't stop trading on the 20th that there is some sort of conspiracy and that CMKX wasn't really revoked. But I think some realize the truth. But 3 1/2 weeks to go then revoked. Of course CMKX can appeal to federal court but that doesn't stop revocation and suspension of trading. Anyone can appeal to federal court even those on death roll. It doesn't mean they get out of jail though. Judge Murray made it clear that after the Commission ruled then revocation was final.
Posted by USFBRIAN on :
gee you guys sure do seem to have a lot of info on the compnay considering you are so against it!why are you even wastibg your time on this board if the stock is so worthless? key question!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Waiting for fresh RED meat, thanks USF.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ric .. is the count down from this date...
620 ... May 2, 2005 CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Brenda P. Murray, Chief Administrative Law Judge File No. 3-11858
or this one.... 291 ... Jul. 12, 2005 CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Brenda P. Murray, Chief Administrative Law Judge File No. 3-11858 PDF version
from ALJ Decisions & Orders: Administrative Law Judges: 2004-2005
and no Marty... that last one was fine, just don't do whole pages again or I'll have to send you a D'DOS attack .... S5
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Waiting for fresh RED meat, thanks USF.
LOL
That clown is stating CMKX is entering gas and oil business. Sure they are! Just ask UC, Melvin, Andy and any cult member.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by USFBRIAN: gee you guys sure do seem to have a lot of info on the compnay considering you are so against it!why are you even wastibg your time on this board if the stock is so worthless? key question!
We already answered that, keep up.
And it isn't what you say. Your theory on why people post on the CMKX board and your theories on CMKX making it are both wrong.
Posted by legaleagle on :
mineralsRus Ace of Diamonds
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Looks like Mr Maheu conditioned someones atmosphere
Joined: Sept 2005 Posts: 5,584 Urbans & Dr. Paul Shatzko Tight Circle? « Thread Started on Oct 14, 2005, 11:25pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Urbans & Dr. Paul Shatzko Tight Circle?
Paul Shatzko M.D., the company founder and chairman, is also closely involved in the mining industry. He served as corporate secretary and director for Valpar Resources Inc., and was president of Trans-Asian Resources Inc. and a director of Excellon Resources Inc.,Gee Ten Ventures Inc., Quattro Resources Ltd.,and Camphor Ventures Inc.
List of Directors as at February 28, 1998: Raj I. Chowdhry Director & President Hari B. Varshney Director Paul Shatzko Director Praveen K. Varshney Director
Camphor's joint venture with De Beers Canada Exploration Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of De Beers Consolidated Mines and Mountain Province Diamond Inc. has already discovered Siix diamondiferous deposits (three large and three small ones).
So there appears to be a connection between Urban as a Private placement investor / shareholder and Shatzko As the director…both are connected to debeers through Camphor Ventures.
Gee-Ten Ventures Inc. is a Canadian public company that is traded both on the Canadian TSX Venture Stock Exchange and the OTC Bulletin Board. Its mission is to develop both gold and diamond mining projects at the international level and to put the necessary factors into play to finance and bring economically promising projects to terms. The Company currently concentrates most of its efforts on major diamond projects in Africa. The experience and expertise of Gee-Ten Ventures Inc.'s management strengthen the Company's potential for success.
Gee-Ten Ventures Inc.'s main mission is currently to develop gold and diamond projects in Africa, and more particularly in Angola. The main player in achieving this objective is Mr. Paul Bourque, who has extensive experience in the mining sector in Africa. For more than three years, Mr. Bourque and Mr. Yaovi Bouka,a Gee-Ten board member have worked together with the leaders of Angola in order to reach agreements to develop gold and diamond projects.
During his many trips to Angola, Mr. Bourque has established very close ties with, among others, the Minister of Geology and Mines in Angola, His Excellency Manuel Antonio Africano, the Deputy Minister of Mines responsible for gold mine, Dr. Mankenda Ambroise as well as with the Deputy Minister of Mines responsible for diamond mines, Dr. Samuel Armando Tito. Mr. Bourque has also established a very good relationship with the main managers of the national diamond company of Angola, Endiama. Among these are relationships with the President and Chief Executive officer of Endiama E.P., Mr. Manuel Arnaldo de Sousa Calado, as well as with another very important player at Endiama, Dr. Manuel Watangua, who is the Executive Officer and Administrator of Geology and Production.
And here is a thread I started earlier on Jarvis and Shotzko: Interview
Dr. Paul Shatzko graduated from the University of British Columbia in medicine in 1960. This reputed radiologist practiced until 1995 in Vancouver, British Columbia. Since the beginning of his career as a radiologist, Dr. Shatzko has been interested in the mining and stock market sectors, having a geologist friend who introduced him to the field of gold and diamonds. Since 1986, he has led or held a seat on public mining companies and has participated extensively in the financing of public companies.
Mr. Jesus R. Martinez, M.Sc., P.Eng., a long-time partner of Dr. Shatzko, is a Professional Mining Engineer who obtained his Master's degree in Mining Engineering from McGill University of Montreal. Mr. Martinez has more than 30 years of experience in mining, having worked with Sherrit Golden Mines Ltd., Cominco Ltd., Suncor Inc. and Syncrude Ltd. among others, and has more than 10 years of experience as a consultant and project manager with H.A. Simons Ltd. in Vancouver.
Entourage Mining Ltd has entered into an option agreement with United Carina Resources Corp.Entourage Mining can earn a Twenty percent (20%) in claim blocks consisting of 14,529 hectares (35,800 acres) of prospective uranium properties located in the Hatchet Lake area of the eastern Athabaska Basin in north-central Saskatchewan.
The properties are contiguous and have been subject to previous exploration for uranium; one surface showing yielded assays ranging from 0.3 per cent U3O8 to 1.4 per cent U3O8.
The Athabaska Basin of northern Saskatchewan contains the most significant high grade, low cost uranium deposits in the world. The deposits defined to date collectively contain, or have produced, almost 1.5 billion pounds U3O8.
Dr. Shatzko is a retired radiologist and self employed businessman; he is the founder and former Chairman of Mountain Province Diamonds (MPV.T), a Toronto Stock Exchange listed mining company; as well, he is a director of several public companies and a director of Entourage Mining Ltd. since July 31, 2004.
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Straws, legal, straws!
Posted by Ric on :
My mothers housekeeper's brother's daughter had something to do with my uncle's sister's brother. It's a conspiracy I tell you.
Posted by bill1352 on :
thats not even straws. there isn't even a ghost connection. UC owned shares in a company 11 yrs ago the guy was connected too. UC's connection to big bubba is stronger & UC isn't in jail yet.
Posted by Ric on :
This is what koolaid and pumpers get you. Have you had your koolaid today?
BruISer Dr. Of Diamonds Joined: Sept 2004 Posts: 102 Re: .0003 i believe for monday « Reply #12 on Today at 4:47am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorrry if your not in for CIM but us over year people knew about the divy coming and i bought more. I put my hole college money on it
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: This is what koolaid and pumpers get you. Have you had your koolaid today?
BruISer Dr. Of Diamonds Joined: Sept 2004 Posts: 102 Re: .0003 i believe for monday « Reply #12 on Today at 4:47am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorrry if your not in for CIM but us over year people knew about the divy coming and i bought more. I put my hole college money on it
Should have used the money for college: Should be "whole" not "hole", but in any case you have acheived your goal you are in the "hole".
Posted by bill1352 on :
maybe thats what he meant Doc....it was money he set aside to put himself in a hole with. i'm not the best at spelling, typing & punctuation as i prove every day in here but looking at that post i think college would have been a waste of time anyway...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
Have y'all been thinking about your concession speeches yet?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Have y'all been thinking about your concession speeches yet?
Have y'all been thinking how you are going to cook crow?
Posted by ed19363 on :
sorrry if your not in for CIM but us over year people knew about the divy coming and i bought more. I put my hole college money on it
I didnt know you could get into college if you couldn't pass 7th grade English... sorrry? you're? over year people? hole?
Sheesh !!!!
Posted by ed19363 on :
legal, I feel sorry for you. Anybody that deluded that hasn't sought help deserves all the pity the rest of us can give. I just hope you're not one of those that blows his brains out when this thing goes south permanently.
Posted by legaleagle on :
We'll know soon.
Posted by Ric on :
Beckstead and Watts, LLP
Certified Public Accountants
Gentlemen:
You are, to our knowledge, the directors of CMKM Diamonds, Inc, ("CMKM"), a company whose common stock is registered under the Securities Exchange Act of I934 (the "1934 Act") and is trading on the over-the-counter market (quoted on the pink sheets). This firm was appointed as auditors for CMKM on July 11, 2005 (announced in a Form 8-K filed by CMKM on July 15. 2005).
We received a letter from your counsel, Donald J. Stoecklein, Esq. of Stoecklein Law Group, dated July 28, 2005. That letter contains a number of misstatements and misunderstandings. It is our intention to resolve those matters in this letter and to provide you notification as required by Section 10A of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "1934 Act").
First, and among the most important of all, is his statement that CMKM is not an "issuer” as defined by Sarbanes-Oxley and therefore is not subject to the provisions of that act or the SEC reporting requirements following the initial Form 15 filing on July 22, 2003. On February 17, 2005, CMKM filed an amendment to that Form 15 which stated very clearly:
This Amendment No, 1 to Form 15 is being filed to amend the Form 15 initially filed on July 22, 2003 (the "Original Filing"), with the Securities and Exchange Commission In order to revoke the Original Filing. As of the date of the Original Filing Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. had approximately 698 stockholders of record, thereby making the use of Form 15 inapplicable.
The Original Filing is hereby superseded and revoked with respect to the information set forth in this Amendment No. 1. Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. will be required to submit filings under Section 12g of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended.
With the original Form 15 inapplicable, it is clear that CMKM was and remained an issuer for the purposes of Sarbanes-Oxley and the filing requirements of the 1934 Act notwithstanding the wrongful filing in 2003 of the Form 15. If Mr. Stoecklein will provide to us an unqualified legal opinion that CMKM was not an "issuer” as defined by Sarbanes-Oxley and was not subject to the reporting requirements of the 1934 Act after July 22, 2003, we will be pleased to review his opinion letter and consider it.
Secondly, we disagree with his understanding of our letter of July 27, 2005 and our engagement letter. We understand the word "termination" and we will account for the funds on deposit once our statutorily required services are completed as stated in our earlier response. Mr. Stoecklein's efforts to imply to the contrary are disingenuous.
As auditors, we are subject to a number of rules and regulations, including Section 10A of the 1934 Act. Under Section 10A(a)(1), in conducting our audit of CMKM, we are obligated to implement "procedures designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts that would have a direct and material effect on the determination of financial statements amounts." Should we detect or otherwise become aware of information indicating that an illegal act has or may have occurred (whether or not perceived to have a material effect on the financial statements of the issuer), we have an obligation to report the information to management and, if management does not take what we consider to be appropriate remedial action, we have an obligation to report the act to the audit committee. See Section 10A(b)(1) and (2) of the 1934 Act and the rules thereunder.
In performing our audit procedures, we have become aware of information relating to possible illegal acts, including (without limitation) the following:
We have received information relating to the possible improper personal use of corporate assets. Information we have uncovered indicates that Mr. Casavant may have caused CMKM to advance approximately $4 Million to the benefit of CMKXtreme, Inc. in the name of "promotion and advertising”. Based on the information provided to us, it caused us to question whether the use of the funds truly advanced the best interest of CMKM. Additionally, it appears that Mr. Casavant owns CMKXtreme, and that this may have been a related party transaction that may not have been presented to or approved by the Board of Directors of CMKM. We fully understand marketing issues raised by Mr. Stoecklein in his letter, but we are unaware how any such transactions benefited CMKM.
We have received information that indicates that CMKM may have made loans to its officers and directors in violation of the requirements of Section 402 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (codified at §13(k) of the 1934 Act). Our information indicates that Mr. Casavant and others related to CMKM may have advanced themselves undetermined amount of money without adequate explanation or documentation. Mr. Stoecklein makes the argument that, because of the Form 15 that was improperly filed, CMKM was not subject to the requirements of the Sarbanes-Oxley act at the time in question.
It is our understanding that Form 15 was not available to CMKM at the time and therefore was ineffective to relieve CMKM of any obligations. As noted above, we are willing to review an unqualified opinion letter from Mr. Stoecklein on that point.
The CMKM books and records are, at this point and time, unauditable because they are incomplete, and the records that exist have been improperly maintained. The volume of transactions via wire transfer and cashiers checks render the banking records inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter necessary to render an audit opinion letter, in Mr. Stoecklein's letter, he admits that CMKM was able to provide us less than 25% of the information that we requested at the commencement of the audit "despite everyone's best efforts." The unavailability of corporate records appears to be a violation of the 1934 Act,
including Section 13(a)(2) of the 1934 Act (added in 1977). Mr. Stoecklein raises the disingenuous argument that if the records are unauditable, how can we be aware of any illegal acts. First of all, having records that are not auditable is itself an illegal act under Section 13(a)(2) and other provisions of the 1934 Act. Secondly, the other information set forth herein was obtained from the records that were available.
In addition to completing what appear to be related party transactions without proper authority to do so, it appears that CMKM management may also have failed to disclose related-party transactions as required under the 1934 Act. Among the possible related party transactions which we believe may have been inadequately disclosed are:
Transactions with US Canadian Minerals, Inc.;
The personal use of corporate assets discussed above;
The loans to the officers and directors discussed above; and
Significant monetary and stock transactions with individuals and entities who appear to be CMKM shareholders and/or prior officers and directors of the Company.
Mr. Stoecklein makes the argument that there was no need to disclose these related party transactions because (as a result of filing a Form 15 improperly in July 2003) CMKM was not subject to the reporting requirements of the 1934 Act and, therefore, not obligated to disclose related party transactions, While this is an interesting argument, that is not our understanding of the situation. Once again, however, we will review an unqualified legal opinion from Mr. Stoecklein to that effect.
We have notified management, including the president and chief executive officer, of our concerns, and we met with CMKM's counsel as management's representative on July 20, 2005 to discuss these matters. We received no information to alleviate our concerns, and in fact obtained further information that enhanced our concerns. In his letter, Mr. Stoecklein makes note of the fact that we were invited to a subsequent meeting at CMKM's offices and chose not to appear. That is correct, but we also asked CMKM to provide us a written response to our concerns. We believed that a written response was appropriate in the circumstances and would have been significantly more
valuable than an oral response at a meeting. We believe that Mr. Stoecklein's letter constitutes a written response, and this letter is our response to Mr. Stoecklein's letter.
In accordance with the requirements of Section 10A(b)(A) of the 1934 Act, we hereby advise you that the actions we have identified (including those set forth above) may have a material adverse impact on CMKM's financial statements for at least the following reasons, although we are not able to quantify the amounts at the present time:
The related party transactions may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
The apparent loans to officers and directors may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
We do not have sufficient information to determine whether the apparent improper use of corporate assets should be classified as an expense or an asset;
The apparent violations of the securities laws described above may result in SEC enforcement action against CMKM which could result in a significant expenditure of corporate assets in defense, and may result in fines, penalties, and damages;
The apparent violations may result in civil litigation or criminal enforcement, which may also result in fines, penalties, and damages.
We are unable to quantify the amounts involved because we have not been provided sufficient information to do so, and because CMKM's books and records are, in their current state, inadequate and unauditable.
You should consider this letter to be a report under Section 10A(b)(2) of the 1934 Act.
Your receipt of this letter requires that you consider the requirements of Section 10A(b)(3) of the 1934 Act. For your convenience, Section 10A(b)(3) provides as follows:
Notice to commission; response to failure to notify, - An issuer whose board of directors receives a report under paragraph (2) shall inform the Commission by notice not later than 1 business day after the receipt of such report and shall furnish the registered public accounting firm making such report with a copy of the notice furnished to the Commission."
Section 10A(b)(3) (b) further states that "If the registered public accounting firm falls to receive a copy of the notice before the expiration of the required 1-business day period, the registered public accounting firm shall;
Resign from the engagement; or
Furnish to the Commission a copy of its report (or the documentation of any oral report given) not later than one business day following such failure to receive notice."
We would also point out the requirements of Form 8-K - that CMKM is obligated to file, within four business days of our dismissal, a Form 8-K responding to the Information in item 304 of Regulation SB. We were dismissed on Friday, July 22. The Form 8-K was due to be filed with the SEC not later than 5:00 pm Washington time today - and it has not been filed. Consequently CMKM is delinquent in its reporting obligations and, therefore, appears to have committed further acts in violation of the 1934 Act.
Should CMKM determine to file a Form 8-K, this letter should be attached thereto unless CMKM can provide an acceptable explanation to any of the issues raised and the requested legal opinion on the effect of an improperly filed Form 15. In your response to item 304 of Regulation SB, we point out:
Item 304(a)(1)(iv): We believe that there are disagreements of the sort that need to be mentioned in response to this item, as set forth in the foregoing.
We also point out to you that' Section 10A(b)(3) has a one business day requirement for notification to the Commission. Please let us know if you have any questions regarding the foregoing.
Sincerely,
/s/ Beckstead and Watts, LLP
[ October 17, 2005, 01:12: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Ric on :
I was re-reading the above and I thought of some good questions. But one really stuck out. Stoecklien didn't deny any of the charges of misuse of money such as the loans to officers of the company and misuse of shares being issued. He just states that since they filed a form 15 they were under no obligation of the 1934 Act.
Also if you notice about CMKXtreme. It wasn't whether or not the money given to them was about advertising but whether it was advertising CMKM. The company not the stock. It is obvious that UC was advertising selling the stock and not advertising the promotion of the company or the car would have CMKM on it not Got CMKX. And if like some of the cult would like to think that this is a advertising of CMKXtreme then it is still an illegal act for CMKM to give them money.
I just don't know how the cult can dismiss this letter. It says volumes. Sounds like a very professional company that will not risk its audit status for anybody. Straight to the point and only the truth.
Posted by bill1352 on :
3 days till this life saving reply by stocklien. any bets on it being the same things stated before or in short "we disagree so it has to be wrong even if its right."
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yeah, I thought of a question too. What "board of directors"? That's UC, all by himself, right? Mahoo was added as an afterthought, but while all this BS was happening, the only board member was UC.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
BUY CMKX! Chance of a lifetime! Right, legal?
Posted by legaleagle on :
ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
Posted by ed19363 on :
Today I would like to see 300 billion shares trade, and burn out all of Wall Street's computers.
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
Yeah, let's throw some laughing gas in your atmosphere and see how you deal with that.
Posted by legaleagle on :
HA HA HA I love laughing gas. You could use a little ed. All that negativity and nastiness will eat ya up.
Posted by Ric on :
The laughing gas was used all up this weekend when the cult was talking about CMKX opening today at .0003 and running. 703 billion shares running, I don't need laughing gas to laugh at that, lol.
Posted by ed19363 on :
What's the difference if it closes at .0003 or .0001? It's dead either way. A million millionaires? More like a million bankruptcies....LOL.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Originally posted by legaleagle: ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
that 5 pounder i just left in the toilet also conditioned the atmosphere & it smells better then cmkx. is closing at .0001 part of your big time run legal??? tomorrow or the next day ask will be .0001 too.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I see you're still talkin' chit Bill... please don't open the window, you might cause some acid rain or something. 5 pounds?
Posted by will on :
WTF is that? Some kind of record anal baby you gave birth to?
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: Originally posted by legaleagle: ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
that 5 pounder i just left in the toilet also conditioned the atmosphere & it smells better then cmkx. is closing at .0001 part of your big time run legal??? tomorrow or the next day ask will be .0001 too.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: HA HA HA I love laughing gas. You could use a little ed. All that negativity and nastiness will eat ya up.
You guys have been sniffing gas and you can be sure that it's not Nitrous Oxide but more like Methane Gas supplied by Urban Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Acknowledged, Ric.
Posted by betting babe on :
actually Wallace, I don't believe I ever commented to you on any thread. i don't even know who the heck you are. don't care actually.
if I did address you it wasn't in any personal conversation, nor have i ever personally insulted you or any other member here.
i have been "into" QBID since march 2004. yes, i am also "into" other stocks. don't you want to read all my posts? i was "into" cmkx til i lost all my money... but i still didn't post negativity.
please leave me out of your little brou-ha-has.
i don't appreciate the personal attack behind my back.
it shows a lack of integrity.
i still don't know who you are... or why you care who i am for that matter.
~BB
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
BB,
I distinctly remember your comments. You should too. Now tell DIGDOUGH, that scum, to send you another birdie.
PS: I also remember you being quite friendly with another person called JBCak or byrdturd.
Posted by betting babe on :
ooooooo friendly. bad bad bad friendly.
i guess i'm just more memorable than you.
~BB
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
You are a waste of time on CMKX or on QBID. STFU and be gone.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by will: WTF is that? Some kind of record anal baby you gave birth to?
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: Originally posted by legaleagle: ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
that 5 pounder i just left in the toilet also conditioned the atmosphere & it smells better then cmkx. is closing at .0001 part of your big time run legal??? tomorrow or the next day ask will be .0001 too.
Another intelligent and mature post Will. You seem to have a fixation on your posterior. Is that your preferred source of communication?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace looks like you are going out and bringing back folks to fight with. Maybe you can run off anyone with the slightest optimism over there, and destroy that thread as well.
Posted by will on :
"Another intelligent and mature post Will. You seem to have a fixation on your posterior. Is that your preferred source of communication? "
Yea, you want to come a little closer while I clear my throat?
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Legaleagle:
quote:Another intelligent and mature post Will. You seem to have a fixation on your posterior. Is that your preferred source of communication?
He's about the best ventriloquist I've ever met. Sometimes you'd swear he really is talking out of his azz.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wallace looks like you are going out and bringing back folks to fight with. Maybe you can run off anyone with the slightest optimism over there, and destroy that thread as well.
You're all gassed up, legal. Been communicating with will too much?
That thread is a fked up mess already. Nothing but scum. Much like those that we ran off from here. Same low level mentality when it comes to stock trading. Avid pumpers who know no better and those that pump the most cannot spell shi t but like to dish it out. Some of them are the very same people....like BB who claims to be innocent but makes "innocuous" digs and jabs as in the past.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Yea, you want to come a little closer while I clear my throat?"
Cannot stop laughing, will.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Wallace do you actually own QBID, or are you just there to save some more poor innocents?
Posted by bill1352 on :
wallace's wife probably cut him off again & since there is nobody worth arguing with here any more he went to the next highest o/s on page 1...lol. actually i still have hope for qbid 1 day but somebody has been dumping shares there by the billions & only 1 place those shares can come from just like here at cmkx & its destroying qbid's future pps just like UC did to cmkx.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Doc,
Thanks to some of your friends over at QBID, I cannot even PM anyone. Nice bunch of associates you have there. I got at least 8 one star hits from those clowns. Penny-Trader and DIGDOUGH started that crap. Others of like kind jumped in at their suggestions. I don't particularly like your friends there. Act like a bunch of pansy pussies.
Wallace, geez don't have a coronary on me, I like you, I must admit it took some time but you do grow on us, much like a fungus but not all fungus is bad. I cannot ban anyone and I only get invloved when the insults start to fly. I agree that everyone has an opinion and they should be allowed to express that opinion.
So if it makes any difference you are still one of my cherished friends. Okay guys I know it sounds like butt kissing, but not every day you run into an old guy like Wallace who is still as active as he is. Long Live Wallace arthritis and all Posted by Doctoall on :
Bob Frey, please don't be so hard on my old friend Wallace. There was a time no so long ago when he came to my defense after I posted some nasty comments about him. I was banned and he spoke out on my behalf to have me restored. One good deed deserves another Posted by Marty on :
Alright. I'm gunna' waste some bandwidth here....sorry stockster and Bob.... "What did the Doe say when she came out of the woods?.....anyone???? anyone???? ====tapping foot waiting===== She said, "Last time I do THAT for a $$buck$$" LOL....==ta-dumm== Got Milk???
Posted by CHIMAN34 on :
I see many are still here chit chatting, even Wallace. I can't believe you people are still ripping on this and wasting your time in this thread. If you don't own it, go elsewhere. Is this your life?
You continue on here bashing this then you must have no life other than this, talking to people you don't even know and will probably never meet. Getting funny that you guys still post here and pretty sad.
Posted by duediligence1 on :
Chiman34
Sounds like your the one that doesn't have a life wasting your time ripping people you don't even know because they like to communicate on a board.
Seems pretty sad that you feel you have to post about others posting. Since when did you become the almighty and have the right to tell people when and were they can post whether they own the stock or not. Only person I see with no life and looking kind of funny is you.
Posted by bill1352 on :
why thank ya Due....couldn't have said it better myself...lol. apparently CHI hasn't got the new age idea of having friends on the internet that you may never meet, probably still has a rotory dial phone too.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
will,
Re: Your deep throat:
Two little old ladies were attending a rather long temple service. One leaned over and whispered, "My tuchas is going to sleep." "I know," replied her companion, "I heard it snore three times while the Cantor was singing "
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Wallace, I'm back! LOL
Guess they don't want us posting a differant opinion on the Q thread..
Remember the Movie line " The truth, you can't handle the truth!" ?
I did learn one thing, there are definatly double standards......................
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Dusty,
Frankly, they don't deserve any objective input on that QBID thread. Looks like Penny-Trader and DIGDOUGH like to attack anyone who thinks or knows QBID is a POS. 10 to 1 they were all losers on CMKX as well.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wallace do you actually own QBID, or are you just there to save some more poor innocents?
legal, why don't you go over and join them on that thread? They are of your mental level.
Posted by legaleagle on :
"Yes everyone we are the miners of the 21st Century. We can invest in these small start-up companies from the comfort of our warm cozy homes. We do not have to fight Indians while traveling from one mine site to another, this is done by the internet and not by covered wagon or horse. We are the 21st Century Miner!!! – Hal Engals"
He forgot to add that you can also be "mugged" from the comfort of your warm cozy homes. Why risk your life on the mean streets when CMKX and cronies will steal your money while you remain in relative safety. They are the 21st Century Muggers!!! - Upside
[ October 18, 2005, 09:57: Message edited by: Upside ]
Posted by ed19363 on :
I am really disappointed. The rally fizzled before my $1.00 sell order filled. Now we're back to .0001. And I really thought I was gonna be rich. Darn.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by CHIMAN34: I see many are still here chit chatting, even Wallace. I can't believe you people are still ripping on this and wasting your time in this thread. If you don't own it, go elsewhere. Is this your life?
You continue on here bashing this then you must have no life other than this, talking to people you don't even know and will probably never meet. Getting funny that you guys still post here and pretty sad.
------------------------------------------------- Do you work for digdough? Or are you trying to get yourself hired?
Posted by stockster5 on :
actually, it's kind of like a car crash, we can't help stopping and gawking. We're all waiting for the smashed vehicle to come to a stop, and perhaps hoping UC gets thrown from the car over a cliff.
Speaking of stopped, anybody know whats up with SGGM, I know it was halted but that was back 7/05. I don't see a finality order on SEC yet.
S5
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: I am really disappointed. The rally fizzled before my $1.00 sell order filled. Now we're back to .0001. And I really thought I was gonna be rich. Darn.
Ed it wasn't long ago that you said you wanted it to hit trip 2 so you could get out. I've been praying for trip 2, for you. Now you go and up your price.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Evidently, I must mark my posts as sarcasm, since legal doesnt recognize it....
Posted by Polarbear17 on :
How many of you have your sell orders in right now , and at what price to you have them set at. I have mime in at .05 ...
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: What can you buy for .0001?
"Yes everyone we are the miners of the 21st Century. We can invest in these small start-up companies from the comfort of our warm cozy homes. We do not have to fight Indians while traveling from one mine site to another, this is done by the internet and not by covered wagon or horse. We are the 21st Century Miner!!! – Hal Engals"
He forgot to add that you can also be "mugged" from the comfort of your warm cozy homes. Why risk your life on the mean streets when CMKX and cronies will steal your money while you remain in relative safety. They are the 21st Century Muggers!!! - Upside
"Hal Engals" - Any site that quotes Willylizard has to be legit. roflmao
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: I am really disappointed. The rally fizzled before my $1.00 sell order filled. Now we're back to .0001. And I really thought I was gonna be rich. Darn.
Ed it wasn't long ago that you said you wanted it to hit trip 2 so you could get out. I've been praying for trip 2, for you. Now you go and up your price.
Actually thats ask so Ed can't sell for that and also it really isn't at .0002. From most boards they are buying at .00015 which is rounded up on the streamers.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Polarbear17: How many of you have your sell orders in right now , and at what price to you have them set at. I have mime in at .05 ...
703 bilion shares will go to .05, really.
Even if this wasn't a scam there is no way that many shares could sell for that. It is unrealistic goal being pumped by people that have no clue how the market works. The cult has sold you a impossible dream there.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Wallace, is you day going any better, or should I ask Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Look, Doc, I am surprised someone like you associates with that scum on QBID....and I do mean scum.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Look, Doc, I am surprised someone like you associates with that scum on QBID....and I do mean scum.
Wallace, not everyone who posts on the Q thread is scum, like everyone who post on CMKX is not scum. There will always be those posters that we do not like, but it is a free world, we can pick and choose to like or hate. We need to learn to respect the opinions of others, even if we do not agree with those opinions. And just because our opinions do not match, does not give me the right to insult, slander and be downright hateful.
Now of course this is JMHO for what it is worth Posted by Upside on :
I'm scum.
Posted by tic_toc on :
Today your opinion is worth .0001
Yesterday your opinion was worth .0002
Your opinion has fallen 50% since you last had an opinion.
There is no gurantee that if you change your opinion it will result in anyone changing thiers. Opinions are risky and should be treated as such. You may make friends with opinions, and you may also lose friends. it is advisable to seek the advice of an opinionated ******* before you change your own.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by tic_toc: Today your opinion is worth .0001
Yesterday your opinion was worth .0002
Your opinion has fallen 50% since you last had an opinion.
There is no gurantee that if you change your opinion it will result in anyone changing thiers. Opinons are risky and should be treated as such. You may make friends with opinions, and you may also lose friends. it is advisable to seek the advice of an opinionated ******* before you change your own.
Sweet Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LOL tic toc
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by Polarbear17: How many of you have your sell orders in right now , and at what price to you have them set at. I have mime in at .05 ...
Just as a joke I have 9M in at $1.
I have just as much chance of selling as you do....LOL
[ October 18, 2005, 14:26: Message edited by: ed19363 ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
And Wallace's day just gets worse.
United Carina, Cons. Pine settle seven-claim dispute
2005-10-18 15:54 ET - News Release
See News Release (C-KPG) Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp
Mr. Rick Walker of United Carina reports
United Carina Resources Corp. and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. confirm that the Saskatchewan Department of Industry and Resources has notified the companies that title to seven claims (S-137714 to S-137720 inclusive) has been transferred to the companies as to 50 per cent each. Title to these claims had been in dispute since they were staked on Nov. 1, 2004, but the dispute has been settled and the companies now have clear title to them.
One of the seven claims contains a kimberlite pipe known as the Carolyn kimberlite. The companies participated in a five-hole drill program on this pipe in 2004 and had samples from one of the holes tested for diamond content. Only two microdiamonds were recovered, but further testing will probably be conducted on other samples from the drill holes.
Posted by legaleagle on :
NOTE: THAT'S THE CAROLYN BACK IN OWNERSHIP OF RICK WALKER, OUR PARTNER.
"CMKM Diamonds Inc. and U.S. Canadian Minerals are earning an interest in four of the claims, one of which includes the Carolyn kimberlite, and, when the earn-in obligations are complete, the property will be equally owned as to 25 per cent each, that is: United Carina 25 per cent, Consolidated Pine Channel 25 per cent, CMKM Diamonds 25 per cent and U.S. Canadian Minerals 25 per cent."
Posted by legaleagle on :
WORTHLESS MICRO DIAMOND PIPE? WHY DID WE FIGHT SO HARD TO GET IT BACK? REMEMBER MORE CORES WERE STORED IN A SECURED WAREHOUSE, THAT WERE NOT ANALYZED FOR CONTENT.
Posted by legaleagle on :
SETTLEMENT OF THIS ISSUE, THE CAROLYN, WAS ALL THAT WAS LEFT TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE THE COMPANY BEGINS RELEASING A STRING OF PR's. IMO
Posted by Upside on :
Empty Pipe x 25% = 00000
Posted by will on :
That isn't what the girl at the picnic said!
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Empty Pipe x 25% = 00000
Posted by ed19363 on :
I can see it now. CMKX announces that the last two years have been a bad dream, and everyone is allowed to wake up now. More restricted dividends will be distributed, and our oil/gas holdings are worth billions. As a thank you to loyal shareholders, everybody gets a 10-1 forward split. Come on and let this thing die, will ya?
Oh, I forgot. One of those drillings contains a diamond the size of Ottawa. That should get us up to .0003.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Probably will get the pps up to .0003 ed. Maybe a good time to get in your .0002 sale.
Posted by ed19363 on :
I'm sticking to $1.00. No mo no less.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
well, i thought this news was pretty cool actually. i dont think that the carolyn was a dud. yeah the find microdiamonds and the naysayers act like thats all thats in the ground. do you know how small the holes are they drill? they were not bulk sampling when they found those.
if you found a dollar in a waching maching at a laundromat....wouldnt you be tempted to search the rest of the machine for more money that could have fallen out of yours or someone elses clothes? yeah 1 dollar no big deal but what if you found a hundred or a 50? would YOU tell anyone in the laundromat?
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
yeah there were some typos in that post so dont think i cant spell!!!!
anyhow yeah so the company messed up in the past on bookeeping. well you know what do you all expect? you think the business world is without fault? look at enron and the rest. im not saying CMKX did some serious fraud, but cmon if they messed up on some things do you really think it cant be fixed? i mean if you had tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars coming into your company from stock and JV deals, do YOU really think you could keep it all in 100% order and in compliance with EVERY rule out there as a novice?
cut CMKX some slack and have a little more positive outlook. regardless if it is revoked it IS an active mining and exploration company so these scam attacks are pretty frivilous in my mind. IF we get revoked....i honestly believe we will trade again once everything is clean perhaps feb/march
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: yeah there were some typos in that post so dont think i cant spell!!!!
anyhow yeah so the company messed up in the past on bookeeping. well you know what do you all expect? you think the business world is without fault? look at enron and the rest. im not saying CMKX did some serious fraud, but cmon if they messed up on some things do you really think it cant be fixed? i mean if you had tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars coming into your company from stock and JV deals, do YOU really think you could keep it all in 100% order and in compliance with EVERY rule out there as a novice?
cut CMKX some slack and have a little more positive outlook. regardless if it is revoked it IS an active mining and exploration company so these scam attacks are pretty frivilous in my mind. IF we get revoked....i honestly believe we will trade again once everything is clean perhaps feb/march
Thank you. I needed a good laugh, it's been a long day.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"And Wallace's day just gets worse."
legal,
Blow it out your pipe! I am not in the mood for your childish little games.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
legal smokes pipe? legal is that true?
Posted by Upside on :
Hey Moo, how's the udders? One question regarding your laundromat scenario. Say you found a dollar in a machine. A dollar on its own isn't really worth much of anything. What would be the odds of then finding a whole bunch of dollars in those same machines if they had already been searched three or four times?
Posted by bill1352 on :
ok Cash lets say your right. 6 months from now UC figured out where all the records are, they find the $60 million in gems they bought, all those look to be illegal loans get paid back, UC finds the deposit slip for SGGM money. an auditor goes thru it all and gives it a thumbs up. cmkx re-applies to trade again. do you honestly think the SEC will let a company start trading with 703 billion shares in the market? i don't think the paperwork will get past the first garbage can.
Posted by bill1352 on :
new theory, legal you can have this for other sites. UC got fed up with naked shorting so he let everything go. he fought the SEC so he had time to get everything together. as soon as being revoked is finalized UC will open a got CMKX area on Ebay & trading will resume there. you need certs to sell your shares but you can get whatever ppl will pay for them, everyone is a mm.
Posted by Ric on :
There is a huge problem here and the longs seem to ignore it. So what if they do find diamonds. CMKX gets 25%, again so what. Look at Ecuador where the mine is producing yet CMKX is lucky if it is breaking even after costs. All these people keep forgetting the expense and only look at the total. It may take 50 years to take out the total worth. The cost associated with it is extreme. Even Debeers total net income for 2004 was 640 million dollars after expenses and thats the largest diamond company by far.
Now you have a broke CMKX with no more shares to sell or give away to pay the bills because they already dumped 703 billion plus on the market. How are they going to pay the extreme exploration cost? If they can't pay their fair share they will lose their rights like Ecuador. Even then if things start coming out then its not going to be enough after expense to divide 703 billion ways to make this worth more then .0001 per share, period.
As with prrm, thphf, gsmv, and many more. The companies have products and even look good on paper. But their diluted stocks are worthless. Then take in account that UC with his so called bad bookkeeping seem to have lost were your money went. Company is broke but UC isn't, should tell you something. And once revoked you will never know. Only hope you have is get UC out and put in someone that will do whats best for the company and shareholders not himself. But the blinders keep you from doing that.
Once revoked, you will never see a thing again from this. And slowly your claims will disappear somewhere else. But since you will remain in the dark you will never know. And the SEC will never re-instate without a complete financial not full of illegal activities which will never happen.
[ October 18, 2005, 20:41: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "And Wallace's day just gets worse."
legal,
Blow it out your pipe! I am not in the mood for your childish little games.
Spoken as if you thought I was someone who gave a chit.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Nice try again Ric, but how about this: Edwards' CRWN trustee notifies UC that CRWN is in possession of 600 billion shares misappropriated from the company and they are surrendered to CMKX. Urban retires the 600 billion back to the Treasury.
CMKX receives a huge settlement from shorty and parks it in CIM and CIM (unable to be controlled by SEC since it's private) issues a dividend to shareholders, including all shares held by UC, family and friends.
Then, with the reacquisition of the Carolyn, UC issues a PR announcing that over 500 holes have been drilled and many are diamondiferous. That we have uranium rich claims and oil sands that we have sold to the Chinese. What will that do to the pps?
OK, if you can make up any scenario that you want, I guess I can too. Or did I?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Spoken as if you thought I was someone who gave a chit."
Sh it. That's all you ever give or gave.
Posted by Upside on :
Geez, full moon or something tonight? People are sure uptight around here.
Posted by Ric on :
Thats is completely crazy. There was only one person that could have gave away those shares and dreaming that 600 billion is held by Edwards is just a dream. I set and proved that those share that were given to those companies are already surrendered and sold. Geeze what dream world do you live in. It is clearly in the records. Do you need a copy, I have it. Almost all shares issued to those companies have already been surrendered period.
How much koolaid do you have to drink a day to keep from seeing the truth. Its in black and white. You sure can use those documents to say those shares were issued but refuse to look at the surrender on those shares.
Posted by Ric on :
By the way I didn't make up a scenario. I listed facts that have been stated. Nevada Minerals stated at the hearing that CMKX had to pay the profit for bills and give away the sands. The 645 million net worth for Debeers was from a previous article I posted awhile back. Stoecklein's accountant at the hearing is the one that said the company is in debt. And UC in a PR and a 8-K said the O/S was 703 billion shares. And the Master shareholders list was from th FOIA but was given to them by the Tranfer Agent which verified that at the hearing. And those shares issued to the companies that are supposed to be Edwards were all surrendered and sold unless you are claiming the TA is falsifying books too like UC.
These are cold hard facts not cult theories.
Posted by legaleagle on :
But Ric you keep assuming that the testimony in the hearing was the "complete" truth. And that the documents they gave up to Pedro were complete and accurate records.
Posted by Upside on :
Now it gets interesting!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Not very interesting Up. We've been down this road before and it does no good. Atmospheres have been conditioned by professionals. We will probably never know the whole story of CMKX. All we can do is watch it unfold now.
Posted by Ric on :
Shaking head.
Makes you understand why they had to make a new board for the strongest koolaid drinkers. Truth and facts not wanted because we don't know if its the "complete" truth so since the company won't deny it we will and will ban anyone that believes otherwise.
Posted by Ric on :
Come on legal, the company could have denied anything if it wasn't true. Also this was a real Judge even if it was the SEC hearing. I have a hard time believing any judge would risk their reputation on a hearing that wasn't on the up and up. CMKX and Frizzell could have discredited any witness if the were not telling the truth. And since Frizzy gets a update on the Master shareholders list, he knows the truth and he has never said any of the documents released were bad. It really is hard to believe that people think this way.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
That's what the revocation was all about, right? Because of how many there are, and how many reported?
So just how many shareholders does CMKX have anyway?
Posted by Upside on :
55,000 but they screwed up and thought they only had 300. Small mistake.
Posted by will on :
That's almost as bad an estimate as legal's protest crowd at the SEC. They expected 60,000 and had 20 / 30 pinheads.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
"Small mistake" ...Ity bity,lol
What could be the advantage in that?
Posted by Upside on :
It was a joke. I believe when they filed the 15-12G they claimed they only had 300 when they actually had around 700. The advantage is that you have to be under 300 (I think that's the number) in order to file a 15-12G to go non-reporting. That's the issue, did they tell a blatant lie in order to stop reporting to the SEC.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Thanks Up. I just wonder how current the 55,000 is after say the last 13 trading days. Trading well over a billion a day avg.
Before the last 13 days you got nowhere near that, nor numbers of trades with the exception of 08-22-05.
Posted by Upside on :
Don't know Highway. I haven't really kept up on the latest comings and goings here. I got out of it around the time of the hearing.
Posted by bill1352 on :
its the death throws of cmkx, thats why the extra volume, that & more dilution. look at the trade numbers. same numbers keep accuring. 9 million seems to be the favorite number with 3 million close behind. look at the master list you seem everything was sold into the market in same number blocks, 50 was the fav if i remember correctly but that number can't be reported to tape. anything over 10 million mess's the tape up, remember JEFF's problem. UC knows the last few days are here. there is no hope to continue trading & no reason to ever contact shareholders again. if he said it was over the cult would either dream up excuses for him or lynch him & with the mental state of the cult i wouldn't risk the lynching. UC might as well dump the last of the a/s now & get ever last penny out of this scam.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Y'all keep an eye on the boards tomorrow. The "Carolyn Pipe" reacquisition was all that was needed to complete the acquisitions and drilling reports for the PR.
Shhhhhh............Listen.............Can you hear it?..........I can.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
ttthhhbbbbbuuuuuttttt!
Posted by bill1352 on :
you can hear me throwing up that far away legal????...lol really legal, you need to put that positve attitude towards something of value.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
well look, yeah there was dillution. it happens with a lot of companies. i do believe in GENERAL that dillution is necessary for growth by raising capital, but only to a certain extent. it all depends on how responsible the company is. some companies need to sell a lot of stock because the nature of the business such as CMKX. typically to mine and pursue what CMKX wants it is VERY VERY expensive.
now wether or not urban was a bad boy we will soon find out. many theories out there that are polarized to the extreme will not be justified until the end. however there ARE some mining companies that do not hit the billions in share count. to reach over 700 billion...yes that does scare me. i dont know of any other mining companies that have access to so much canadian land rich in minerals though.
As far as my washing machine analogy in an earlier post on page 109.......the man who finds the dollar is the first one to notice it not the 3rd. too many unanswered questions right now from BOTH sides....from legal to bill or wallace there is just way too much polarization. black and white no contrast. its like a bad day in d.c.
there are many days i feel led on...but then there are many days where i see information that leads me to think there just might be something for real up there in the FALC on CMKX land. its almost like believing in the bible. so many non christians gaulk at the bible and say ...where is the truth? we can not see god nor can you prove creationism. however if you research what archeology has discovered in the hills of israel you might think otherwise.
little facts to go on, but there is enough there to prove it might be legitimate. i believe there is enough there to prove CMKX IS fact and true.
im not saying the best investment is CMKX because at this point numbers prove its bad news. sometimes you just need to go against the odds. i invested on my own intuition and research as bad as the books look sometimes you just have to have faith even in such dire circumstances. i invested money that was either going to go into the markets or go into korean brothels near the DMZ when i first bought CMKX. i chose about 20 million shares instead.
high risk, but high reward. i do not slander nor do i pump i am just optimistic about what i put my money into. PRRM, or any of those other sub penny stocks are...well i will just say im not buying them. legal you are like the last man standing on this thread in support of your investment. sometimes i wonder why so many are here in this CMKX board talking so dirty about the company. i wonder why they are not on threads of companies they invested in themselves...their investments must not be doing that great to be spending so much time here talking such pessimism. i know if i had some killer picks i wouldnt be hanging around this thread i would be doing intuitive DD on my green picks. i DO have a few green picks, but im not afraid to admit i have more red than green at this moment in my portfolio. its a learning process and everyone is here for a big gain. no matter how much a person hates penny stocks they cant help but wonder what a 500 dollar investment COULD make them on the right pick if only they could find it. if this was not the case this thread would not have at the time of me writing this 110 pages. this is THE most popular thread on allstocks next to QBID, which i will add i hold a sizeable position in because of the POTENTIAL. CMKX has potential on a record breaking scale its just a matter of the people in charge making good business choices which i believe is the reason Mahue is aboard. do any other companies have mahue? yeah some say he is old, but with age comes wisdom in certain men. example: i respect ronald regan and aside from his illness i think he was an incredible man regardless of party affiliation. would you put your trust in regan if he was still around despite his age and if his illness was not there? i know i would, i saw great leadership in him. this is why i trust mahue, and why i believe he will be of great help. who here thinks mahue is just sitting on his butt not doing a thing? does anyone REALLY believe that?
CMKX is in my opinion the most emotional stock play i have ever seen in my few years of market research. if anything... i have paid for an investment education of all realms of the market that college really doesnt cover. I have learned about what was an untouchable underground market of rampant white collar crime at its finest from carribean/west indies hedge funds all the way to the DTC which SEEMS like it has illuminati like connections and contacts. im not saying i believe the illuminati is for real, but if it was my bet would be they would have a grip on the worlds most powerfull money transfering system without fear of conviction for illegal yet highly profitable market manipulation activities. that would be something that international, historical, and distinguished blood lines would never let go of without a fierce fight.
SOMETHING has to be going on right now after reading all the PRs recently of companies jointed and not jointed with CMKX that have operations in the FALC. CMKX owns many many times more land/hectacres than anyone else, and to say the land they hold is worthless is like saying cancun is boring on spring break. everyone is so focused on share structure, but seems to sway from the potential, and where they have come from day one. who would have thought 2 years ago we would be associated with who we are now? its amazing, and though hard to believe it is happening.
anyhow its late so im going to bed got to be up at 5am for PT formation.
good luck longs, and to my friends in ramadi right now good luck ill see you soon.
keep up the fire
Posted by stockster5 on :
Moo ... Well, you had me sympathizing for a second, then you lost me with the Illuminati mention. And is there any real proof cmkx even owns any land any more? I'm not so sure. I believe you owe taxes on land even in Canada, so how would cmkx afford that. And what does this statement mean: "little facts to go on, but there is enough there to prove it might be legitimate. i believe there is enough there to prove CMKX IS fact and true." You don't 'prove' anything 'Might' be legitimate with little facts to go on. This is the kind of misinformation and deceiving statements being made all along about cmkx. On fact is cmkx hasn't made 1% positive income in years, yet had pushed 700 billion shares onto the market. That speaks volumes when it comes to vapor product penny stock companies. Their only product IS the PR's.
On another note... I'm going to ask you folks this again... if a company states shareholders will get stock in multi spin offs, then change its name and market focus completely, what do you think is in store in these events.
thanks S5
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Ric, what is most entertaining about your arguments is that you are basing them on information from the hearing.
Any information from that hearing is now almost a year old and some of it older. Trying to apply what WAS, has nothing to do with what IS.
You have no idea, for sure, what is going on with this current market for CMKX. But this is certain: Those who bought more shares a few weeks ago at .00004 or 5 are now looking at a 400% increase. And only Monday will tell us more about where this is going.
You cannot even apply historical market applications to this stock because it has never followed such "rules", and probably won't in the future.
Those who follow this stock closely and analyze everything that is occuring, realize that the company could care less about revocation. They are building a conglomerate with some very noteworthy people coming onboard with our JV's. And some noteworthy acquisitions are being made. When all of the smoke is cleared away I think we will see an amalgamation of companies and minerals that will rival any in the world, past or present.
CMKX shareholders will be brought into this merger of companies, after a whole lot of weak handed shareholders are shanken out at trip zero and double zero numbers. And your negativity and application of year old info and speculation is assisting in weakening those hands to sell. I am sure they will greatly appreciate your "input", and that of all the negs, as they look back to what could have been.
I don't know if you are trying to "protect" the innocent, or are just angry because you got out of the stock and have no hope in capitalizing on what may come and want company in your misery. But the day of truth is coming for this company. Those who have reasonably purchased and invested in this company have far more to gain than lose. Those who are OUT have no chance whatsoever of capitalizing on this play. And I think it is that fear of missing what could have been that drives people into such negativity as we have seen on this thread.
I don't think you and others are trying to drive people out of this stock purposely, or prevent newbies from getting in, as much as you are trying to convince yourself that you haven't missed the STOCK PLAY OF A LIFETIME.
Of course, all in my opinion.
You are probably the most well spoken/written moron I've ever read.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: SUBJECT: CMKX NEWS: Price going WAY UP! SERIOUS! Posted By: MoronHunter Post Time: 10/15/05 15:19 « Previous Message Next Message »
Now that I have your attention...this is one of only 3 serious posts from MoronHunter...pay attention and learn.....oh..if you read it ..you WILL learn...I guarantee it. I DO have a point..but first...
You shareholders in this ...by now you MUST realize that there are no "goods"...that this stock is a standard scam with a mail box location for an address that just got big...too big. UC has spent your money...his wife has access to corporate accounts. Nobody knows where the $10 million went or if it was ever paid in 4 installments. Every auditor has quit or been fired...never any documentation of ANYTHING. There are no employees to speak of, no assets, no revenue worth mentioning, and no results. The SEC has put the hammer down...like on so many other scams...and you are close to losing 100% of everything.
What was done TO YOU and BY YOU...
They (Founders and management)never intended this scam to get so big....but you people, with your false faith, and unreasonable dreams of riches, meant many INNOCENT PEOPLE were convinced by you. And, worst of all, YOUR ravings(maybe innocent at the time) about this stock meant many people (family, friends, church associates)who trusted YOU, dumped their hard-earned dollars into this, only to see their money vanish. C'mon..you know YOU DID THIS!
Which brings me to the reason for this post...
YOU have a choice whether you ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE HURT with your greed...or not.
I have said it before and will say it again...
The only way to make money now (and you ALL KNOW THIS IS TRUE)is to see new innocent investors be fooled into parting with their money.
This will be a "last hurrah" for the stock. The people who are buying now are no different than you, except they do not know what YOU learned. They have not done PROPER due diligence. Heck...they don't even know (like you did'nt) what "due diligensce" really is. Due Diligence is not reading the internet boards or believing PR's. It means reviewing financials...understanding the stock...checking out all the major players...AND THEIR HISTORY in the industry...and most of all...it means UNDERSTANDING THE INDUSTRY YOU ARE INVESTING IN.
What is happening now...with rumors of events to unfold on "the 20th"...is just another in a long line of lies THAT WILL ALSO PROVE UNTRUE.
Just wait and see...on the 21st...NOTHING WILL HAVE HAPPENED.
So....what this is turning into is no longer a stock fraud...because THAT has already happened...with the dumping of shares for the personal gain of a few who invented this scam.
WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW is like a pyramid scheme....near the end of it's life cycle....with the masses of "investors" convincing the last of the "suckers" to buy because the price per share is "so cheap" they "can't afford to pass it up". These final "suckers" will be the ones left holding the bag. Oh, YOU might recover some money...MAYBE MAKE A BUCK OR TWO...but your hands will be dirty.
Holding the bag means this...and YOU KNOW IT'S COMING...
Registration revoked The stock will become 100% worthless The "management" will disappear or go to jail
And more innocents will be hurt.
The proof is in the buying activity...
Rumors are flying...people are getting "excited"...
7 hundred thousand shares here....5 million there...just the levels you would expect from people with only a few hundred or perhaps a thousand dollars or so to invest.
People are irresponsibly believing the rumors of something BIG to happen on the 20th. There is absolutely NO BASIS FOR THIS RUMOR except this is the last desperate attempt by others to keep the attention off of their criminal acts...to keep the attention off of their dozens of examples of obvious fraud....in hopes that all this activity will create enough of a smoke-screen so they can disappear with the millions they made off of YOU.
So...
Are you going to be a part of this?
There is no massive conspiracy....if covering was happening...it would have happened in several large buys...AND YOU KNOW THIS.
The volume.....proves the little guy is still buying....people are desparate to get their money back...FROM ANYONE...even innocent people.
I hope you people can live with yourself.
Couldn't have said it better. Enough said.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: yeah there were some typos in that post so dont think i cant spell!!!!
anyhow yeah so the company messed up in the past on bookeeping. well you know what do you all expect? you think the business world is without fault? look at enron and the rest. im not saying CMKX did some serious fraud, but cmon if they messed up on some things do you really think it cant be fixed? i mean if you had tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars coming into your company from stock and JV deals, do YOU really think you could keep it all in 100% order and in compliance with EVERY rule out there as a novice?
cut CMKX some slack and have a little more positive outlook. regardless if it is revoked it IS an active mining and exploration company so these scam attacks are pretty frivilous in my mind. IF we get revoked....i honestly believe we will trade again once everything is clean perhaps feb/march
You and legal should go play Russian Roulette together.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Nice try again Ric, but how about this: Edwards' CRWN trustee notifies UC that CRWN is in possession of 600 billion shares misappropriated from the company and they are surrendered to CMKX. Urban retires the 600 billion back to the Treasury.
CMKX receives a huge settlement from shorty and parks it in CIM and CIM (unable to be controlled by SEC since it's private) issues a dividend to shareholders, including all shares held by UC, family and friends.
Then, with the reacquisition of the Carolyn, UC issues a PR announcing that over 500 holes have been drilled and many are diamondiferous. That we have uranium rich claims and oil sands that we have sold to the Chinese. What will that do to the pps?
OK, if you can make up any scenario that you want, I guess I can too. Or did I?
You guys are all idiots. There will be NO EXPLORATION COSTS!!!!! I've been up to Canada and I KNOW what is going happening.
Last week I was exploring the CMKX lands and decided kick a rock. The rock exploded and a little black velvet box fell out. I ran over and opened the box and found a beautiful 1 carat engagement ring (set in platinum)... so I decided to run around and kick more rock and the same thing happened (ie more velvet boxes). Then UC drove up in his Hummer and we danced a jig (he is a good dancer). We then packed the Hummer full of the little boxes and drove to the US. We drove by Zales and other jewelers and sold the little boxes... WE'RE GOING TO MAKE MILLIONS.... BILLIONS.... TRILLIONS.... ZILLIONS...
Sorry guys.... I promise it'll be the last time I mix Absinthe and Allstocks.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: well look, yeah there was dillution. it happens with a lot of companies. i do believe in GENERAL that dillution is necessary for growth by raising capital, but only to a certain extent. it all depends on how responsible the company is. some companies need to sell a lot of stock because the nature of the business such as CMKX. typically to mine and pursue what CMKX wants it is VERY VERY expensive.
now wether or not urban was a bad boy we will soon find out. many theories out there that are polarized to the extreme will not be justified until the end. however there ARE some mining companies that do not hit the billions in share count. to reach over 700 billion...yes that does scare me. i dont know of any other mining companies that have access to so much canadian land rich in minerals though.
As far as my washing machine analogy in an earlier post on page 109.......the man who finds the dollar is the first one to notice it not the 3rd. too many unanswered questions right now from BOTH sides....from legal to bill or wallace there is just way too much polarization. black and white no contrast. its like a bad day in d.c.
there are many days i feel led on...but then there are many days where i see information that leads me to think there just might be something for real up there in the FALC on CMKX land. its almost like believing in the bible. so many non christians gaulk at the bible and say ...where is the truth? we can not see god nor can you prove creationism. however if you research what archeology has discovered in the hills of israel you might think otherwise.
little facts to go on, but there is enough there to prove it might be legitimate. i believe there is enough there to prove CMKX IS fact and true.
im not saying the best investment is CMKX because at this point numbers prove its bad news. sometimes you just need to go against the odds. i invested on my own intuition and research as bad as the books look sometimes you just have to have faith even in such dire circumstances. i invested money that was either going to go into the markets or go into korean brothels near the DMZ when i first bought CMKX. i chose about 20 million shares instead.
high risk, but high reward. i do not slander nor do i pump i am just optimistic about what i put my money into. PRRM, or any of those other sub penny stocks are...well i will just say im not buying them. legal you are like the last man standing on this thread in support of your investment. sometimes i wonder why so many are here in this CMKX board talking so dirty about the company. i wonder why they are not on threads of companies they invested in themselves...their investments must not be doing that great to be spending so much time here talking such pessimism. i know if i had some killer picks i wouldnt be hanging around this thread i would be doing intuitive DD on my green picks. i DO have a few green picks, but im not afraid to admit i have more red than green at this moment in my portfolio. its a learning process and everyone is here for a big gain. no matter how much a person hates penny stocks they cant help but wonder what a 500 dollar investment COULD make them on the right pick if only they could find it. if this was not the case this thread would not have at the time of me writing this 110 pages. this is THE most popular thread on allstocks next to QBID, which i will add i hold a sizeable position in because of the POTENTIAL. CMKX has potential on a record breaking scale its just a matter of the people in charge making good business choices which i believe is the reason Mahue is aboard. do any other companies have mahue? yeah some say he is old, but with age comes wisdom in certain men. example: i respect ronald regan and aside from his illness i think he was an incredible man regardless of party affiliation. would you put your trust in regan if he was still around despite his age and if his illness was not there? i know i would, i saw great leadership in him. this is why i trust mahue, and why i believe he will be of great help. who here thinks mahue is just sitting on his butt not doing a thing? does anyone REALLY believe that?
CMKX is in my opinion the most emotional stock play i have ever seen in my few years of market research. if anything... i have paid for an investment education of all realms of the market that college really doesnt cover. I have learned about what was an untouchable underground market of rampant white collar crime at its finest from carribean/west indies hedge funds all the way to the DTC which SEEMS like it has illuminati like connections and contacts. im not saying i believe the illuminati is for real, but if it was my bet would be they would have a grip on the worlds most powerfull money transfering system without fear of conviction for illegal yet highly profitable market manipulation activities. that would be something that international, historical, and distinguished blood lines would never let go of without a fierce fight.
SOMETHING has to be going on right now after reading all the PRs recently of companies jointed and not jointed with CMKX that have operations in the FALC. CMKX owns many many times more land/hectacres than anyone else, and to say the land they hold is worthless is like saying cancun is boring on spring break. everyone is so focused on share structure, but seems to sway from the potential, and where they have come from day one. who would have thought 2 years ago we would be associated with who we are now? its amazing, and though hard to believe it is happening.
anyhow its late so im going to bed got to be up at 5am for PT formation.
good luck longs, and to my friends in ramadi right now good luck ill see you soon.
keep up the fire
CashCowMoo = TED
TED = Typical Enlisted Dumbass
Aren't we lucky....
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: well santa cruz, the only dumb ass i see around here right now is you. i feel sorry for you. why are you even on this thread? must be a pogue
Umm.... yeah... right. Listen, I hope you are a better soldier than investor. But based on your previous comments the TED label still applies.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Nearly all .0002s this morning
Posted by ed19363 on :
When do we reach $1.00????
Still waiting to see those million millionaires....
Posted by legaleagle on :
Heavy set woman with Viking helmet, seen making her way onto the stage.
Posted by will on :
Hope she doesn't clear her throat when she sings out of her ass.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Is she the one that was going to strangle UC at the Vegas party?
Posted by SingleDad703 on :
Classic one Wallace... that was good
Posted by bill1352 on :
legaleagle Member
Member Rated: posted October 19, 2005 11:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heavy set woman with Viking helmet, seen making her way onto the stage.
so you finally see reality legal??? thats just what we have been saying for a long time now. let me be the first to welcome you back to reality....lol
Posted by a4realguy on :
I think we're ready for a run..
Posted by legaleagle on :
Topic: Stoecklein's father deceased (Read 567 times) ~fishing4diamonds~ Administrator
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Joined: Aug 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 8,373 Location: ON DA BOAT Stoecklein's father deceased « Thread Started on Today at 2:20pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I got this from kyanite, who asked whether it should be posted or not. After running it past Canuck, we've agreed it should be posted. Looks like our company attorney's father has passed.
The staff here send their deepest sympathies to the Stoecklein family.
Respectfully, f4d~
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OBITUARY Herbert G. Stoecklein, 88; spearheaded new naval hospital
By Jack Williams STAFF WRITER
October 19, 2005
As casualties began to mount in the Vietnam War, Herbert G. Stoecklein's assignment as commanding officer of the Naval Hospital at Camp Pendleton took on new urgency.
In addition to supervising the treatment of wounded servicemen flown to the hospital, he spearheaded plans for a new, $20 million facility to meet increasing demands.
Then, after being promoted from captain to rear admiral, he took on another formidable challenge: serving as commandant at Balboa Naval Hospital, an outmoded facility whose resources were stretched to the limit.
When Adm. Stoecklein retired from the Navy in 1974, his work was far from done. He lobbied forcefully for a new hospital to replace the original Balboa Park complex and assumed a wide range of civic leadership roles.
Among them: presidencies of the United Services Organization, the San Diego Council of the Navy League, the San Diego chapter of the American Heart Association and the Combined Health Agencies of San Diego County.
Adm. Stoecklein died Sunday at his Del Cerro home of complications of radiation treatment, which he was receiving for skin cancer, said his son Ronald. He was 88.
In 1972, after serving as senior medical officer of the Atlantic Fleet, he was assigned command of Balboa Naval Hospital. Many of the buildings of the hospital were nearing 50 years old and were sorely in need of modernization.
A longtime proponent of a new naval hospital, Adm. Stoecklein campaigned for a Murphy Canyon site. Instead, under the leadership of U.S. Rep. Bob Wilson (R-San Diego), the replacement hospital was built on 74 acres of Balboa Park's Florida Canyon. Completed in 1987, it became the San Diego Naval Medical Center.
Herbert George Stoecklein was born Dec. 14, 1916, in Pittsburgh. He earned a bachelor's degree at the University of Pittsburgh and received his medical degree from Hahnemann School of Medicine in Philadelphia.
In 1942, he entered the Navy as a lieutenant junior grade. Serving as a medical officer with the 6th Marine Division in the Pacific during World War II, he earned a Bronze Star.
In a cave converted to a treatment center for the wounded, Adm. Stoecklein was assisting in a surgery when enemy forces attacked. Using his .45 pistol, he defended the cave and shot down some of the attackers.
Adm. Stoecklein served during the Korean War with the 2nd Marine Division. Subsequent assignments sent him to the University of Illinois and to Balboa Naval Hospital for further medical study.
In 1956, he left San Diego for Guantanamo, Cuba, where he negotiated the release of sailors, Marines and civilians who had been taken hostage by Fidel Castro's rebel forces, which were fighting the Fulgencio Batista dictatorship from their bastion in the Sierra Maestra mountains. (Castro's insurgency triumphed on Jan. 1, 1959.)
Adm. Stoecklein returned to the United States to serve with the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery in Washington, D.C., and later at the Naval Hospital in Portsmouth, Va. In 1963, he wrote a guide for medical personnel to be used throughout the Navy.
In August 1967, he assumed command of the hospital at Camp Pendleton and immediately began planning to replace 90 wooden structures of World War II vintage.
In November 1969, Congress approved funds for an ultra-modern new hospital.
For his efforts at Camp Pendleton, which included coordinating medical services for evacuees from Vietnam, Adm. Stoecklein was awarded a Meritorious Service Medal. He was promoted to rear admiral and assigned as a medical adviser to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
In retirement, Adm. Stoecklein applied the leadership and organizational skills that distinguished his naval career.
He headed the School of Medical Associates (SOMA) in an effort to inform the public about the new school of medicine at the University of California San Diego. He served as chairman of the board for the Philip Y. Hahn School of Nursing at the University of San Diego and served in a similar capacity with the Alvarado Hospital Medical Center Advisory Board.
"During the course of civic activities, he developed an interest in the travel business," his son said. Organizing trips for friends, business professionals and retired military officers, Adm. Stoecklein circled the globe, always with his wife, Jane, at his side.
Survivors include his wife of 61 years; daughter, Barbara Viola of Virginia Beach, Va.; sons, Ronald of Carlsbad and Donald of Henderson, Nev.; five grandchildren; and a great-granddaughter.
A memorial service is scheduled for 10 a.m. Tuesday at Mission San Diego de Alcala. Burial will be at Arlington National Cemetery in Washington, D.C.
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see, Ric, myself & a few others looked hard at the trade numbers & came up with a probable short of 50 to 100 billion shares, not trillions. lots of buys at .0002. did it ever cross the cults mind that UC is covering the short by selling the mm's more shares? i know using the term cult & mind together is an oxymoron but it is possible they could scrape a few brain cells together. (J/K)...(sort of....lol) no reason to raise the a/s as it will be private in a week or 2 & who checks shares of private companies.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i was a patient at Balboa in 1979 for about 10 days. thats where i was discharged by the navy.
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX 693,690,946 * $.0002
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: i was a patient at Balboa in 1979 for about 10 days. thats where i was discharged by the navy.
How funny, I had my first back surgery at Balboa Naval Hospital in 1985. I was in there for 45 days mostly in traction.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Still no dollar signs....
Posted by Ric on :
Well I played something with a better chance of making millions today. My odds are 1 million percent better odds then CMKX making me rich. I played the 340 million powerball jackpot and it only cost me $3.00 for 3 tickets and the 167 million to one odds are a lot better then cmkx's. lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
GLTY, Ric
Posted by legaleagle on :
CLOSE 16:00:03 7500000 0.0002
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
nice
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: CLOSE 16:00:03 7500000 0.0002
WOW! So all you gotta do is get somebody to BUY at that price, and have 5 BILLION shares to sell, and you would be a millionaire !!! Oh, and a couple million extra shares for the selling fees. Boy, am I impressed !!!!
Posted by Upside on :
Well, it's impossible to deny what the stock's done over the last couple of weeks. From .00004 to .0002 is an impressive run. The thing is though, have you ever noticed that stocks that announce reverse splits have a tendency to run up a bit a day or two before the split? Same principle could be at work here. I know that if I still owned this I would be selling at these levels and thanking my lucky stars.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Oh sure, UC's gonna wait a year and then RS, in the middle of an appeal of revocation order?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Investor's also get information of big things happening with a company, and buy in ahead of news. That also creates a run.
Posted by ed19363 on :
So what's the news? I havent seen any PRs lately.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Oh sure, UC's gonna wait a year and then RS, in the middle of an appeal of revocation order?
I was using a reverse as an example of a stock running a bit before something bad happens. In this case it would be revocation, not a reverse.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ask is .0002 but no bid is offered. you could buy at .0002 but sell at .0001 or less. when the spread fills in the up direction we'll talk about a run. until then its a losing situation.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Oh sure, UC's gonna wait a year and then RS, in the middle of an appeal of revocation order?
I was using a reverse as an example of a stock running a bit before something bad happens. In this case it would be revocation, not a reverse.
I swear the cult can't read. It is like everything posted. They take straight to the point statements and twist them into something else. Like when UC used "Street name" for example. But they did the same with facts from the trial.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Is it time for me to buy more CMKX? Wow! What a mover! Maybe it will make me wealthier.
Posted by derek111c on :
Also playing 340mil powerball. Grabbed 5 tickets today.
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Well I played something with a better chance of making millions today. My odds are 1 million percent better odds then CMKX making me rich. I played the 340 million powerball jackpot and it only cost me $3.00 for 3 tickets and the 167 million to one odds are a lot better then cmkx's. lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
THE REAL POWERBALL TICKET
shane resources----consolidated pine channel----united carina----forest gate----explorer resources----gemm----usca----mountain province----diagem----kwg----spider resources---international uranium---nevada minerals---entourage mining----northstar diamonds----shore gold----rio tinto----bhp billiton----debeers----aztm?------CIM------CMKX
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
ttthhhhhbbbbbuuuutttttt! And "holy" UC too!
Posted by Ric on :
I won........ $7 lol.
[ October 19, 2005, 23:55: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by bill1352 on :
thats more then cmkx will bring in Ric. i need to pick up Megagame tickets today, $109 million.
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX 302,646,411 * $.0002
Posted by ed19363 on :
Ask is .0002. What is the bid?
Posted by ed19363 on :
.00004 !!!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX 445,320,913 * $.0002
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX 471,205,913 * $.0002
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX 506,340,594 * $.0002
Posted by ed19363 on :
It's the 20th....anybody heard from our guru, Andy? Big PR coming I suppose??
Posted by bill1352 on :
it was sent out Ed, but it went to the same place that missing page of the drill report went. we will get cmkx's final reply to the SEC's last comments but that wont be worth reading.
Posted by Thorn on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: ask is .0002 but no bid is offered. you could buy at .0002 but sell at .0001 or less. when the spread fills in the up direction we'll talk about a run. until then its a losing situation.
Oh, you could buy at .0002, but are you sure you could sell at .0001?
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Yeah, I think the price of warrents goes up just before they expire (as a similar example).
Posted by ed19363 on :
Two hours until ANOTHER broken promise.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Entourage Mining News
News: Entourage Mining Ltd.: Hatchet Lake Uranium « Thread Started on Today at 11:53am »
(BSNS WIRE) Entourage Mining Ltd.: Increased Interest in Hatchet Lake Uranium Property Entourage Mining Ltd.: Increased Interest in Hatchet Lake Uranium Property
News Editors
VANCOUVER, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 20, 2005-- Entourage Mining Ltd. (the "Company") (OTCBB:ETGMF) is pleased to announce that it has entered into a number of agreements to acquire interests in a number of mineral properties and to increase its interest in one of its existing properties.
INCREASED INTEREST IN THE HATCHET LAKE PROPERTY
Effective today's date, the Company has entered into the following agreements:
1. A new option agreement with United Carina (the "New Hatchet Lake Option Agreement"); and
2. An agreement by which the Company is assigned all of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Diamonds, Inc.'s ("CMKM Diamonds, Inc.") interest in the Hatchet Lake Property (the "Hatchet Lake Assignment Agreement")
The Company had previously acquired an option to earn up to a 10% interest in and to the Hatchet Lake Property from CMKM Diamonds, Inc. and CMKM Diamonds, Inc. had the right to participate as to 10% in Entourage's Black Warrior project in Nevada. Under the terms of the New Hatchet Lake Option Agreement with United Carina and CMKM Diamonds, Inc. which supersedes and replaces the Company's previous agreements with United Carina and CMKM Diamonds, Inc., the Company is granted the exclusive option to acquire an undivided 50% beneficial right, title and interest in and to the Hatchet Lake Property in consideration of the following payments and work commitments by Entourage:
(a) a cash payment, on or before November 15, 2005, of $220,000 paid by Entourage to United Carina; and
(b) by making the following exploration expenditures on the Property:
(i) on or before December 31, 2005, $100,000;
(ii) on or before February 1, 2006, an additional $300,000;
(iii) on or before November 15, 2006, an additional $450,000; and
(iv) on or before November 15, 2007, an additional $450,000.
The New Hatchet Lake Option Agreement may be subject to its acceptance for filing with the TSX-Venture Exchange as United Carina is a company listed on the TSX-Venture Exchange.
Under the terms of the Hatchet Lake Assignment Agreement, the Company has agreed to issue to CMKM Diamonds, Inc., total of 15,000,000 shares (the "Shares") of its common stock in exchange for CMKM Diamonds, Inc.'s assignment of all of its interest in and to the Hatchet Lake Property.
The Hatchet Lake Property is prospective for uranium. The Hatchet Lake Property is comprised of 4 claims totaling 16,951 hectares in the Hatchet Lake area of Saskatchewan, Canada. No NI 43-101 report has been completed on the Hatchet Lake Property and the property is at the exploration stage only.
ACQUISITION OF SMEATON/FORTE A LA CORNE/GREEN LAKE PROPERTY IN SASKATCHEWAN
The Company has entered into an agreement (the "Smeaton/Forte a la Corne Property Agreement") with 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd. ("1010") to acquire an undivided 80% mineral rights interest in and to the Smeaton/Forte a la Corne Diamond Property in Saskatchewan. Under the terms of this agreement, Entourage will issue 33,888,888 common shares in its capital stock (the "Smeaton/Fort a la Corne Shares") of which 30,000,000 common will be issued to CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
The Smeaton/Forte a la Corne Diamond Property was the subject of an agreement between 1010 and CMKM Diamonds, Inc. dated August 1, 2003.
The Smeaton/Forte a la Corne Property is comprised of approximately 1087 claims totaling approximately 411,275 hectares in the Smeaton-Forte a la Corne, Saskatchewan area. No NI 43-101 report has been completed on the Smeaton/Forte a la Corne Property to date.
ACQUISITION OF FORTE DIAMOND PROPERTY IN SASKATCHEWAN
Entourage Mining Ltd. has entered into an agreement (the "Forte Agreement") with CMKM Diamonds, Inc. dated October 20, 2005 whereby it has acquired all of CMKM Diamonds, Inc.'s interest in and to the agreement dated July 18, 2004 between CMKM Diamonds, Inc. and Nevada Minerals, Inc. ("Nevada Minerals"), and in and to an undivided 36% right, title and interest in and to the Forte Diamond Property for consideration of 5,000,000 shares of the Company to CMKM Diamonds, Inc. on this date.
The Forte Diamond Property is comprised of approximately 337 claims totalling approximately 194,582 hectares in the Forte a la Corne area of Saskatchewan. No NI 43-101 report has been completed on the Forte Diamond Property to date.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
The Company will, in the near future, provide more information concerning the agreements it has entered into and the properties that are subject to them. The Company continues to make due diligence inquiries and execute documents concerning the status of its properties and emphasizes that further exploration work is required on all of the properties to determine if a mineral resource, if any, exists on any of them or would be economic.
The obligations of Entourage under the aforementioned agreements are expressly subject to Entourage closing, on or before October 28, 2005, a minimum of US$1,050,000 in equity financing with which to finance its working capital and other obligations. The private placement for equity financing was first announced on October 10, 2005.
The Company encourages readers to contact Craig Doctor at 1-604-278-4656 with any inquiries and questions and to review the Company's continuous disclosure filings on the EDGAR system and on Canada's SEDAR reporting system. Shareholders who do not receive a response to their inquiry are encouraged to review the Company's news releases as many inquiries may be answered by issuing a news release so that all members of the investing public are informed of the Company's activities.
The Company anticipates filing the full text of the New Hatchet Lake Agreement, the Hatchet Lake Assignment Agreement, the Smeaton/Forte a la Corne Properties Agreement and the Forte Agreement in a Report on Form 6-K filing with the SEC's EDGAR system on or before October 31, 2005 in accordance with its obligations as a reporting foreign private issuer.
Entourage Mining Ltd. is a company incorporated in British Columbia and reporting both in the United States, as a foreign issuer, and in the Province of British Columbia, Canada. Its shares are posted for trading on the NASD's OTCBB under the symbol "ETGMF".
Entourage Mining Ltd.
Gregory Kennedy, President
Forward Looking Statement
Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this Press Release may be forward looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause Entourage Mining Ltd.'s actual results in future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. These risks and uncertainties include, among other things, volatility of commodity prices, product demand, market competition, and risks inherent in Entourage Mining Ltd.'s operations. These and other risks are described in the Company's Annual Report on Form 20-F and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission as well as the Company's filings on the SEDAR continuous disclosure system in Canada.
Entourage Mining Ltd. (OTC Bulletin Board:ETGMF)
KEYWORD: NORTH AMERICA NEW YORK UNITED STATES CANADA INDUSTRY KEYWORD: NATURAL RESOURCES MINING/MINERALS SOURCE: Entourage Mining Ltd.
CONTACT INFORMATION: Entourage Mining Ltd. Craig Doctor (604) 278-4656 craig*entouragemining.com OR Entourage Mining Ltd. Gregory Kennedy President (604) 669-GEMS Cell: (778) 893-4471 Fax: (604) 669-4368 info*entouragemining.com
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh, Lord, tell me we are NOT gonna get another worthless dividend.
Posted by Upside on :
I'd bet your not going to Ed. Looks to me like Urban just sold everything for shares that will keep him wealthy after revocation. As it is now, you own stock in a company that has nothing.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Not so much, Upside. I did a sell at .00011 for some of my shares, so I got a couple hundred bucks back from this sham. If they are still trading tomorrow, I'll probably dump the rest of it for whatever I can get. It's finally time to move on.
Legal, I finally heard it....it went "ca-ching" as the money was deposited in my account....ROFL. What garbage this turned out to be.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: I'd bet your not going to Ed. Looks to me like Urban just sold everything for shares that will keep him wealthy after revocation. As it is now, you own stock in a company that has nothing.
Where did you see that Urban got the shares? Looks like CMKX got them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
CONGLOMERATION IN THE MAKING
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legal,
You DO belong in a nut house!
Posted by Upside on :
I'm glad you managed to get rid of at least some of them Ed. I'm sure that before too long we're going to hear how it's good to have a 700 billion o/s and no land claims but it sure looks to me like Urban gave everyone one last screwing before he's shut down for good.
Posted by legaleagle on :
50 million shares of a 80 million AS is 63.5% of AS
CMKX NOW OWNS ENTOURAGE
STAND BY MORE COMING
Posted by bill1352 on :
well legal was right...big news on the 20th. cmkx diamonds sells out everything...lol. for 50 million shares. lets see divide 50 million by 703.5 billion...my calculator won't go that low....lol...around .0000007 per share. you were right, legal no r/s. that is unless you call selling everything to another company for 50 million shares, oh ya, no word from UC about giving you those shares either.
legal, has the word scam crossed your mind yet??? sold 703.5 billion shares over the claims he just sold for 50 million shares at .49 per share that had 16.27 million shares but will now have 66.27 million shares thus cutting the pps to about .15 per share or $7,500,000.00. at .49 its $24.5 million. all the uranium & all the diamonds for $24.5 million. i'd say that line about them having the goods was BULLCHIT.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ED dont sell you can wait & hope UC gives those shares out. you'd get about 7 shares per million shares. why your 9 million shares could be 45 shares in no time flat. lets see, 100 million shares of cmkx gets wiped out, no market value, only the idea UC will put a check in the mail some day. IF he hands this new stock out you'd get about 700 shares for that 100 million shares at todays pps its worth $343.00. that 100 million at .0002 cost $20,000. i KNOW those big time cult buyers are real happy about now. its so sad its hilarious.
Posted by cobracobra on :
aww for Sh*t's sake, we got no claims left after this......... Urban had better not Eff me over, i have been a friggin supporter. Something else better come out that will help all 50 000 of us or the races will be UGLY. If i lose 5 grand in this whats another 350 for a plane ticket to LV to tell UC how i really feel.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legaleagle Member
Member Rated: posted October 20, 2005 16:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 50 million shares of a 80 million AS is 63.5% of AS
CMKX NOW OWNS ENTOURAGE
STAND BY MORE COMING
god help ya legal...there is nothing let to be coming from. UC just sold everything except the gold in S.A. & he owes nevada $2 million. wanna guess where that claim goes??? wanna bet he owes stocklien most of the 50 million shares???
Posted by bill1352 on :
this is so F'in stupid its not worth commenting on....
By: nascent_vindication 19 Oct 2005, 01:35 PM EDT Msg. 1171106 of 1171163 Jump to msg. #
Jay Adobe, I am getting understandably addled by this ongoing merger process. Kensington is partners with DeBeers. So as I see it, if Kensington merges with Shore, and if Shore is a JV of CMKX.....then CMKX could conceivably have an influential reach right into the heart of DeBeers claims in the FALC. At the very least, if one big merger is forming in the FALC under CMKX's control, the resulting hegemonical influence exerted against DeBeers as the result of such a conglomeration could be devestating to DeBeers. Is my thinking close? TIA
Posted by cobracobra on :
shore is not our JV,,,
Posted by bill1352 on :
tell that to the cult at pb32 Cobra...lol. us at allstocks knew that.
Posted by cobracobra on :
i am part of pb32,,, and a supporter till now. I played the lottery and looks like i didnt win,,,, Eff Me,,,,,,,,,,, Time to move on to the next one. I hope UC goes to effing Jail for this one. He has millions i got shares of a mining company with no land,,, thaks alot F*ck-head.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: tell that to the cult at pb32 Cobra...lol. us at allstocks knew that.
Since you obviously left me out of that "us at Allstocks", then let me say it this way.
"YOU AT ALLSTOCKS" are about to receive a lesson in mergers and acquisitions......if you stop bashing long enough to listen and understand.
Posted by cobracobra on :
Leagle i've been here with you and was backing you and on have been PB 32 since its creation, and the unofficial CMKX shareholders page before that, and even the Official Melvin page from the Old CMKX website.... Now i am pissed,,, i cant see any good coming out of this. If there is tell me, all of our shares are part of a company with no land claims. I own CMKX 8.xxx million of them which cost me over 5 grand,,, i do not own any Entourage at all. tell me why this is good. I have friggin had it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
cobra, hope you don't lose it all. Doesn't look good though.
Posted by legaleagle on :
cobra, some of our claims went to Entourage, but we took controlling interest in that company. So they are not gone.
This is not the end of the story.
Many people expected cash in their accounts today, that is why they are disappointed and angry. But Andy didn't say anything about cash in anyone's account today. He said NEWS. And that is what we got. There is more coming, and as it is released we will begin to see the puzzle picture more clearly.
Posted by Ric on :
Wasn't there another company that shares were traded for and the shareholders got nothing from it. I what it was but can't think of it. Seems UC is working out deals to keep him rich after CMKX disappears. And no legal. The company doesn't have to issue them to the shareholder but then to the CEO doesn't suppose to keep them for himself either.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
""YOU AT ALLSTOCKS" are about to receive a lesson in mergers and acquisitions......if you stop bashing long enough to listen and understand." --------------------
A lesson from whom, legal? From UC who did not and cannot keep appropriate records? From UC, the 5th? From UC, the liar? From UC, the misinformer?
Get real, legal!
And where the hell are your up front and honest buddies named Roger Glenn and Maheu?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Wasn't there another company that shares were traded for and the shareholders got nothing from it. I what it was but can't think of it. Seems UC is working out deals to keep him rich after CMKX disappears. And no legal. The company doesn't have to issue them to the shareholder but then to the CEO doesn't suppose to keep them for himself either.
SGGM Ric, and the company got 10 million dollars
Posted by cobracobra on :
i did not expect cash and did not ever expect to gain millions i wanted a good profit. this didnt break me cause it was play moneey, but many will be crushed. Even if we did get entourage we did sell off ALL of our claims that i can see,,,, even the Sask Numbered ones I may be wrong and will re-read the PR you do the same.
Posted by legaleagle on :
The claims are now safely in the hands of a publicly traded company and CMKX owns that company. There is nothing to be upset about. Just watch for the rest of the answers.
Even the bashers are dumbfounded by this move. A company facing revocation still making multimillion dollar deals under the nose of the SEC? A company whose claims were worthless yesterday, according to our gurus of doom, are today being traded for $25,000,000? The pps of the company rising to 500% of what it was two weeks ago, and still moving?
No, nothing to fear, despite the "GoodFellows" here.
And BTW Wallace, you are becoming a bore to your friends and foes alike.
Posted by Ric on :
Yeah and since the records are gone no one knows what happen to the 10 million dollars and if we actually got it. And no one knows what happened to the shares. Yet you want to believe UC now even though he has kept everyone in the dark and money has disappeared.
This is really silly that you can believe this crap. And now the only things the company does have is disappearing and after revocation the cult will never hear another word.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Websters dictionary - entourage from old French entourer, "surround"
Go figure
Posted by cobracobra on :
ok thats al well and good but i own CMKX, and CMKX owns nothing . I will try to contain my joy.
Posted by Ric on :
My guess is that UC understands that the company will be revoked soon and his money making printing press is out of business. So he takes another scam company with little share and gives his loyal cult some token shares so he can start the printing press in full overdrive again. ROFLMAO
And the reason why is some will actually by this scam plan and dump the rest of their life saving into it.
Posted by cobracobra on :
not me i am done.
Posted by ed19363 on :
This convoluted mess is more than I can stand. I'm getting the hell out before something else bad happens. UC will get no more of my money, and when the last share is sold, the sonofabitch can rot for all I care. And legal with him.
Posted by will on :
"before something else bad happens"
LOL
Posted by Ric on :
This is from Entourage's financials. The cult doesn't seem to care to hear but what they want to.
"We have a history of losses.
We have incurred losses in our business operations since inception, and we expect that we will continue to lose money for the foreseeable future. From our incorporation to December 31, 2004, we have incurred losses totalling $1,990,564. Very few junior resource companies ever become profitable and typically incur large losses until they enter production or are able to sell a mineral property to a major resource company. Failure to achieve and maintain profitability may adversely affect the market price of our common shares. "
Another statement from there financial is what everyone here has been trying to explain to the cult with deaf ears.
"Very few mineral properties are ultimately developed into producing mines.
The business of exploration for minerals and mining involves a high degree of risk. Few properties that are explored are ultimately developed into producing mines. Most exploration projects do not result in the discovery of commercially mineable deposits of ore.
Substantial expenditures will be required for us to establish ore reserves through drilling, to develop metallurgical processes, to extract the metal from the ore and to develop the mining and processing facilities and infrastructure at any site chosen for mining. "
Posted by Ric on :
L: Multi-million dollar deals
Roflmao
Entourage is broke. More then broke they are losing tons of money. Like SGGM that was also nothing but a shell. You have to deal with a company that has something before you can call it a multi-million dollar deal. lol
Scams and shell scams trading shares between each other making there shareholders think they are getting something.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well no one is getting out before tomorrow morning. I'd bet on more PRs before the bell.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by will: "before something else bad happens"
LOL
LMAO! Now what else could happen? I know. UC is going to cough up all the monies and declare a cash dividend to all shareholders. Could that keep him out of the slammer?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Enjoy your "LAST HURRAH" guys.
Posted by Ric on :
Heard that before. How long has it been now since something supposed to have happened?
Since when does saying it over and over make it true other then in your own mind?
Posted by bill1352 on :
well lets look at the whole picture, cmkx is now a shell with 20 billion shares of SGGM, a revoked stock, 50 million shares of a .49 stock that will soon be diluted by close to 300% & a gold mine that will have to be sold to pay a bill due very soon & $36 million in the hole not to mention the lawyer fees due for the SEC stuff, no books or records, $60 million in gems bought that are missing & an o/s of over 703.5 billion, oh ya 50% of the shares of a .03 stock that were promised but never delievered to shareholders. i gotta say Legal, things are looking up for CMKX, that is if your not a shareholder.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
bill,
Gee, that sounds like a real WINNER!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
i bet even frizzy walks because the only ppl paying his fees still think UC walks on water. a fool born everyday, well the few hundred cult members left after this fall into a whole other catagory.
Posted by Ric on :
Wasn't it 200 billion missing shares of SGGM??
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm buying first thing ion the mornin Wallace, in fact i'm calling in sick so i can be first in line to buy....oh ya, i can't, ameritrade won't sell the winning stock to anyone....lol. it seems i forgot that most brokers revoked cmkx before the SEC did.
Posted by bill1352 on :
no, UC never said he would give out the SGGM. the missing 50% is the second GEMM divy.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'm thinking that entourage pr was UC's final reply to the SEC & probably his final words to CMKX shareholders....lol. if this SOB doesn't get put in jail they should let the rest of the stock crooks out too. a stock scam is a stock scam. enron, global crossings, tyco, adelphia or cmkx, the CEO's all screwed the shareholders & stole their money. the pps of the stock shouldn't matter.
Posted by Polarbear17 on :
Ok now what i though we were going to be revoked today . So here i sit on 100k of cmkx a total investment of 30.95 includeing my commssion, and the play go's on .Is this going to die soon or what?The plot thickens...
Posted by Ric on :
Didn't mean it that way. The SGGM 200 billion shares seems to be missing all together. They are not in the books for CMKX, of course nothing else is either. So where is the shares? Does UC see a rush to sell them before they are revoked? Who's name are the shares in, the companies or UC's? Like the gems, the shares seems to have vanished along with the 10 million dollars.
Posted by Ric on :
Posted by: Pedro2004 In reply to: None Date:10/20/2005 9:20:43 PM Post #of 188329
~~~~~ You will receive 71 Shares of ENTOURAGE MINING LTD
Posted by legaleagle on :
If you want to understand what CMKX is doing, study up on "PIPE" transactions. If you don't understand that, nothing will make sense.
Posted by legaleagle on :
REPOST
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Member Rated: posted October 19, 2005 22:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE REAL POWERBALL TICKET
shane resources----consolidated pine channel----united carina----forest gate----explorer resources----gemm----usca----mountain province----diagem----kwg----spider resources---international uranium---nevada minerals---ENTOURAGE MINING----northstar diamonds----shore gold----rio tinto----bhp billiton----debeers----aztm?------CIM------CMKX
Posted by legaleagle on :
KEEP WATCHING FOR THE REST TO COME TOGETHER
Posted by bill1352 on :
"PIPE" transactions....find a corner in the inner city, hand the guy $10, take what he gives you, put it in a glass object & add fire. thats about the only "pipe transaction" going on with cmkx
Posted by bill1352 on :
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Member Rated: posted October 19, 2005 22:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE REAL POWERBALL TICKET
Legal, that posts make me think you've had way too much of the CMKX pipe transaction.
Posted by bill1352 on :
shore gold----rio tinto----bhp billiton----debeers..................these companies wouldn't wipe their azz with 100 billion CMKX shares, they would use the expensive stuff.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: shore gold----rio tinto----bhp billiton----debeers..................these companies wouldn't wipe their azz with 100 billion CMKX shares, they would use the expensive stuff.
And your source for that information bill?
Posted by legaleagle on :
"Today, CMKX is embarking on an aggressive, strategic plan that is intended to transform the entire corporation into a tightly focused mining and development company," said Urban Casavant, president and chief executive officer of CMKX. "It is our intent to use all available resources to generate consistent, long-term growth and profitability for our stockholders."
Additionally, Casavant said, "We shall be recruiting a team of experienced advisors, professionals and management executives. We intend to structure the company for a move to the Over-the-Counter Bulletin Board or an exchange
I have gotten quite a few emails,.. IM's, phone calls and conversations with people I know invested and trying to tell them all what I think has become a bit of a task so for the most part I told most I will send this message tonight,.. so here it is:
The PR tonight with Entourage to me was a very very very good move... now here is why.
There are two scenarios I can see.. here is how we go.
The Land Claims were for the most part moved to be held in Entourage's hands,.. now this enables Entourage move and make movements on these parcels,.. they do have to pay cash and shares for this right however the Rights IMHO have been transferred.
The reason I think this is good is because when they moved it over they were given or will be given 50 million shares which now gives CMKX IMHO control of the company,.. so in a sense yes we gave control to Entourage but we always already have control of them now,.. so really it just secures the land even further making any monies made trickling down to CMKX yet again.
This move sets up what I thought all along would be a Umbrella effect where everything moves into us. And money constantly comes back to us in the end.
This also makes us good on a few other things as well. Now that we would have control of Entourage we also gain what they have already...
Esmeralda County, Nevada
* US Gold Production in 2002 was 9,580,900 ounces * 81% of production came from Nevada: 7,731,800 ounces * Nevada's Walker Lane Trend contains Two Prospective Targets * Walker Lane Trend has historically produced over 20 million ounces of gold * Definitive Agreement on Black Warrior signed in June 2004. * Black Warrior consists of 70 un-patented and 2 patented gold/ silver claims. * Previous samples indicated up to 70 ounces of silver and .05 ounces og gold per ton. * Phase one : $250,000 USD budget for exploration and drilling for fall 2004 program. * There are four other mineral deposits in the immediate vicinity including Golden Phoenix's Mary-Drinkwater mine, within one mile south west of the property.
Athabaska Basin, Saskatchewan
Entourage Mining Ltd has entered into an option agreement with United Carina Resources Corp.Entourage Mining can earn a Twenty percent (20%) in claim blocks consisting of 14,529 hectares (35,800 acres) of prospective uranium properties located in the Hatchet Lake area of the eastern Athabaska Basin in north-central Saskatchewan.
The properties are contiguous and have been subject to previous exploration for uranium; one surface showing yielded assays ranging from 0.3 per cent U3O8 to 1.4 per cent U3O8.
The Athabaska Basin of northern Saskatchewan contains the most significant high grade, low cost uranium deposits in the world. The deposits defined to date collectively contain, or have produced, almost 1.5 billion pounds U3O8.
Doran Uranium Property
Entourage Mining Ltd. (OTCBB:ETGMF) has entered into an option agreement to acquire a 100% undivided beneficial right, title and interest in 44 mineral claims known as the Doran Uranium Deposit situated in southeast Quebec approximately 85 kilometers east of Havre St. Pierre in the Baie Johan Beetz area of Costebelle Township. The claims encompass approximately 24.73 sq. km.
Previous work on the Doran East Centre target where three holes were drilled 14 feet apart with cores returning values of 6.4, 6.4 and 9.2 Lbs. Per ton U3 O8.
Regal Ridge, Yukon
* Entourage has an option to earn 60% interest in 2626 claims for Gemstones in the Yukon * Known occurrences of beryl * Favourable lithologies and structure within the claim areas * Believed that there is a high probability for new emerald occurrences * A two-stage exploration program is recommended
This adds value to CMKX as again this trickles down to us.
Now Do I think this is it? Heck no....
If we are revoked,.. I think that the short will have to pay divies on us from now until eternity,.. however I don't think they want that anymore then we do...
Do I think there would be a settlement? Heck no because I don't think that the MM's would want the bad press,.. spreading uncertainty in the markets and causing firms and MM's mass damage control,..
I think that they want us to go away quietly and not a big media draw in a planned squeeze,.. This could be what rumors had been about in the beginning with UC supposedly meeting with MM's and SEC officials through out the last several months. He may have sat down and said,.. okay on this date you do this,.. and no one is the wiser to you being 100 billion short in us,.. and so on. Maybe I am wrong,.. who knows
I still think a squeeze is the answer in the end..
I think if we are not revo'd and we do get a squeeze it wont be a quick one,.. I think it will be a steady rise in slow increments to weed out people with alot of shares first so they can cover. Probably settling around a modest penny price until more value comes through movement and activity in a real nature.
I think that this is not the last JV and or agreement we see,.. I still personally feel we sill see the umbrella grow as more companies are added to the mix.
I think as we continue through this process more will be revealed and I think that we will see it grow and more maneuvers will be uncovered.
I am sorry if these thoughts have already been passed but I have not read the boards before posting this tonight because I was not sure how long this would take.
I hope this answers the questions most of you asked.
I do think that Carolyn coming back the other day was not a coincidence either,.. we are making moves in the right directions. Am I upset we didn't move today? Ya I am,.. but I still believe and I still trust the Team and I think you all should as well.
IMHO we are fine and I think we will continue to learn more very soon.
Because management has only limited experience in resource exploration, the business has a higher risk of failure.
Our management, while experienced in business operations, has only limited experience in resource exploration. None of our directors or officers has any significant technical training or experience in resource exploration or mining. We rely on the opinions of consulting geologists that we retain from time to time for specific exploration projects or property reviews. As a result of our management’s inexperience, there is a higher risk of our being unable to complete our business plan.
ya think maybe they listened to UC for advice???...lol
Posted by Ric on :
Thats great one company in debt gets another company in debt so they can together be deeper in debt yet suppose to be able to do the very expensive exploration and mining.
Yeah right. Come on that ridiculous.
Posted by Ric on :
Still is going around in circles, Scams trading shares with scams to look legit with CMKX always in the middle.
Posted by Ric on :
It's sad when the SEC has to protect peole from themself and revoke scams like this.
Especially when it is so obvious that this is a p&d scam. Printing shares for profit.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: It's sad when the SEC has to protect peole from themself and revoke scams like this.
Especially when it is so obvious that this is a p&d scam. Printing shares for profit.
Well it's been a year since the SEC started this investigation Ric, when are they going to start "protecting" us? LOL CMKX rolling on with their plans and not skipping a beat.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
Is this gonna become the longest running series on the mining business? I guess i'll hold on to my dividend shares in case it pays residuals. I don't think i can dump them anyway.
Posted by Upside on :
Why can't anyone see what's going on here? This thing is done. Urban bent everyone over one last time and had his way. There's no master plan, there's no short covering, there's no merging of corporations, it's over. Anyone still holding the stock got screwed by Urban once again. The only good news is that he's now done with you. Recognize it and move on.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Ric: It's sad when the SEC has to protect people from themself and revoke scams like this.
Especially when it is so obvious that this is a p&d scam. Printing shares for profit.
Well it's been a year since the SEC started this investigation Ric, when are they going to start "protecting" us? LOL CMKX rolling on with their plans and not skipping a beat.
Like a prosecutor, I bet the SEC wish they didn't have rules and procedures they have to follow before they can revoke a company. Like a criminal trial it takes a long time to get the evidence, set a court date, prepare for trial, and interview potential witnesses. Then there are rules for prehearing, briefs, appeals, and appeals of appeals.
I bet the SEC would love to be able to see a scam like this and just say your revoked.
Sometimes I have a hard time believing you were in law enforcement and don't understand the judicious system.
Posted by Upside on :
By the way, weren't they supposed to file something today? Did it happen?
Posted by legaleagle on :
They didn't have to file a brief today. Only if they wished to rebut something new coming out of the SEC brief.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Why can't anyone see what's going on here? This thing is done. Urban bent everyone over one last time and had his way. There's no master plan, there's no short covering, there's no merging of corporations, it's over. Anyone still holding the stock got screwed by Urban once again. The only good news is that he's now done with you. Recognize it and move on.
Up, I'm sure you meant to say IMO
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, the SEC has provisions for an emergency halt of a stock if they have reason to believe there is the possibility of imminent, grievous harm to the public. They didn't.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
good thing i didnt buy this stock
Posted by Ric on :
Yes and criminals sometimes have to stay in jail while awaiting trial but all efforts are made by judges not to put those in jail when all possible to give them a chance to explain. CMKX was given a chance to prove the SEC wrong and they couldn't. But even criminls get to stay out while appealing to.
They would expect that most people would be able to understand that CMKX was being revoked and that they would be smart enough not to invest in it. Sometime humans give other humans more credit then they deserve.
Posted by johnny14511 on :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prabha Varshney has a Bachelor's of Commerce degree from Agra University, India and a diploma in accounting from the Vancouver Community College, Vancouver. During the last five years she has been a sales person selling Registered Education Savings Plans for USC Education Savings Plan (a non-profit foundation). Mrs. Varshney acts as the Chief Accounting Officer for Entourage Mining Ltd.
Legal, this is the CAO (Chief Accounting Officer) of the company that UC sold everything to.... doesn't she have great experience? LOL... she was a sales person selling education savings plans.... that relates to her new job how????
What a joke....
If the chicken chit doesn't taste like chicken salad then just mix a little more chicken chit in!!!
Also, where do you see anything that says UC is giving you even 1 share of this new scam?
You make me sick....
Posted by bill1352 on :
where does it say UC has anything to do with this company? cmkx may have 63% of the common stock, 1 new prefered share shuts UC out. & where is all this proof UC found anything beyond .0011 micrograms of anything besides dirt? sure wasn't in the selling price, they just tripled the o/s. in effect they did a 3/1 forward split which would leave the stock at .17 or so a share. a start up mining company with nobody in charge that has any mining experiance according to their filings with the SEC. but watch that pps run today. the cult will be buying it by the bunches. they haven't lost enough money on UC & his pump & dump.
Posted by legaleagle on :
ETGMF 466,707 * $.68
CMKX 153,784,965 * $.0002
Posted by santacruzblur on :
Legal,
Congrats! Wow.... ETGMF is up .10-.20 cents already!!!!! How many shares did you get when UC sold the mineral rights to them? How many shares will you have once CMKX is revoked?
ZERO!!!!!!!
PS... Google is up $35 today!!!! But who cares about this if you don't own any shares!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
Andy Message 10/21
"Hello CMKX'rs....The ETGMF PR along with the UCA PR earlier in the week should illustrate to shareholders the STRATEGIC PLANNING and CASAVAN MANEUVER(S) being executed. I am leaving for Vegas this morning and will be back next Tuesday. Enjoy your day. "
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Legal,
Congrats! Wow.... ETGMF is up .10-.20 cents already!!!!! How many shares did you get when UC sold the mineral rights to them? How many shares will you have once CMKX is revoked?
ZERO!!!!!!!
PS... Google is up $35 today!!!! But who cares about this if you don't own any shares!!!
The faithful saw this coming a few weeks ago when they announced their first partnership with CMKX and bought in. Sorry for the negs. Too busy bashing to recognize opportunity. LOL
Lots of missed opportunities here.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by santacruzblur: Legal,
Congrats! Wow.... ETGMF is up .10-.20 cents already!!!!! How many shares did you get when UC sold the mineral rights to them? How many shares will you have once CMKX is revoked?
ZERO!!!!!!!
PS... Google is up $35 today!!!! But who cares about this if you don't own any shares!!!
The faithful saw this coming a few weeks ago when they announced their first partnership with CMKX and bought in. Sorry for the negs. Too busy bashing to recognize opportunity. LOL
Lots of missed opportunities here.
Legal,
Let me get this straight.... the value to a CMKX shareholder is that they should have known this was coming and bought ETGMF? How does that make sense? Of the 50,000 shareholders, I'd bet that less than 100 knew about this.... so how is UC helping the 49,900 who didn't know?
Also, doesn't this seem like a shell/card trick? Invest in yet another company that doesn't disclose much of any information? It is probably only a matter of time until ETGMF is investigated and eventually delisted by the SEC.
LAST and most important question: How does this turn CMKX into the stock play of a lifetime when they get delisted?
Posted by legaleagle on :
santa, "one hundred" knew about this. LOL You really don't get out of here much do you? Good Lord man, there's another whole world of investors out there that don't waste their time here. If you haven't been out, Wallace, Ric, Bill etc., are not the final word in investing. LOL The Entourage, CMKX, UCA agreement was spread to all boards and Paltalks. I estimate over 10,000 shareholders knew about this just on the boards that I visit. Don't know how many capitalized on it, but they knew.
You see that's the danger of hanging around with bashers only. Their negativism costs people real money. 4 bagger on CMKX recently....investment in Entourage now....lack of information on CSON and it's connections to CMKX. Much is happening in CMKX, but if all you listen to is CMKX is a POS, UC is a crook, you're gonna get revoked...yada,yada, you'll miss all of the opportunities for capitalizing on this stock while it is in play.
Posted by Ric on :
Do you really want to be talking like that on the message board legal? Don't want to see in you jail or something. Really I am being serious here.
You know what your talking about is insider trading and if you capitalized on it then you can go to jail for it no matter how big or small it is. Unless it was issued in a filing or Pr and only a few investors online got this information then it is extremely illegal and I wouldn't brad about it were you can't take it back.
But besides the run caused from CMKX holders buying shares if you read enourage's finacials then you woulkd know the company isn't worth anything and after the huge dilution given to UC then the PPS will decrease. But as far as CMKX moving it happens all the time on stocks about to die if you have the nerve to try it. And unless you sold for profit then what did anyone capitalize from it?
Oh well, I would watch out about this talk of knowing the information before it was publicly announced in a official PR.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Do you really want to be talking like that on the message board legal? Don't want to see in you jail or something. Really I am being serious here.
You know what your talking about is insider trading and if you capitalized on it then you can go to jail for it no matter how big or small it is. Unless it was issued in a filing or Pr and only a few investors online got this information then it is extremely illegal and I wouldn't brad about it were you can't take it back.
But besides the run caused from CMKX holders buying shares if you read enourage's finacials then you woulkd know the company isn't worth anything and after the huge dilution given to UC then the PPS will decrease. But as far as CMKX moving it happens all the time on stocks about to die if you have the nerve to try it. And unless you sold for profit then what did anyone capitalize from it?
Oh well, I would watch out about this talk of knowing the information before it was publicly announced in a official PR.
You are just futher proving my point Ric. Of course the joint venture of CMKX, UCA and Entourage was PRd. Y'all were too busy bashing to notice. And still are unaware. GEEESH
Posted by Ric on :
You made it sound like they knew about before yesterdays PR.
Posted by Ric on :
And of course it ran today. I knew it would. Its a group play. The only difference between a group like momo playing this and the CMKX cult group buying this, is Momo at least knows when to take profit and not hold companies like this and lose it all in the end.
Shoot, I made more then the 45% it ran to today anyway. I wonder how many were smart enough to sell at .70 for a profit instead of holding and the 14% it's up now probably won't cover commission costs.
Posted by legaleagle on :
VANCOUVER, British Columbia, April 26, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- Entourage Mining Ltd. (the ``Company'') (OTC BB:ETGMF.OB - News) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the ``Nevada Gold Project''). United Carina Resources Corp. (Vancouver:UCA.V - News) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Other OTC:CMKX.PK - News) have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project. Each of the optionees can exercise its option to acquire a 10% interest by:
(a) paying $40,000 to Entourage upon Entourage executing its sub-lease option agreement to purchase a 100% beneficial interest in the Nevada Gold Project; and
(b) making $85,000 USD in work commitments or an amount equal to but not to exceed 10% of Entourage's work expenditures on the Nevada Gold Project.
Entourage welcomes the participation of these companies as the size of the Nevada Gold Project is increasing as more claims are being staked contiguous to the original Black Warrior claim blocks. The company is awaiting drill permits from the Bureau of Land Management and expects to have an extensive drill program underway in the near future.
This PR made it very obvious to those who follow this stock closely that Entourage was to be a "player", so folks bought in based on that.
Posted by Ric on :
I think they will by that. Even though no one talked about it until now. At least its an alibi.
Posted by legaleagle on :
No one talked about it HERE, Ric. Again my point. It was posted on every board that I visit including this one. The problem was that everyone here just ignored it because it didn't fit into the "bash script".
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess what! I just found a PR that CMKX never issued to us. Cool. Here it is: Entourage Mining Adds Joint Venture Partners to Nevada Gold Project Tuesday April 26, 4:30 am ET
VANCOUVER, British Columbia, April 26, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- Entourage Mining Ltd. (the ``Company'') (OTC BB:ETGMF.OB - News) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the ``Nevada Gold Project''). United Carina Resources Corp. (Vancouver:UCA.V - News) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Other OTC:CMKX.PK - News) have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project. Each of the optionees can exercise its option to acquire a 10% interest by:
(a) paying $40,000 to Entourage upon Entourage executing its sub-lease option agreement to purchase a 100% beneficial interest in the Nevada Gold Project; and
(b) making $85,000 USD in work commitments or an amount equal to but not to exceed 10% of Entourage's work expenditures on the Nevada Gold Project.
Entourage welcomes the participation of these companies as the size of the Nevada Gold Project is increasing as more claims are being staked contiguous to the original Black Warrior claim blocks. The company is awaiting drill permits from the Bureau of Land Management and expects to have an extensive drill program underway in the near future.
Entourage Appoints New Director and Continues to Negotiate Additional Saskatchewan Land Claims Friday October 21, 2:43 pm ET
VANCOUVER, British Columbia, Oct. 21, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- Entourage Mining Ltd. (the ``Company'') (OTC BB:ETGMF.OB - News) announces the appointment of Corey Klassen to its Board of Directors. Mr. Klassen, a Calgary Alberta resident, has an economics background and for the past 10 years has been focusing on Business Development Management for major Canadian Financial Institutions and Mortgage Brokering firms. Mr. Klassen is an active member in the Mortgage Brokers Association of British Columbia (MBABC), The Alberta Mortgage Brokers Association (AMBA), and The Canadian Institute of Mortgage Brokers and Lenders (CIMBL). Mr. Klassen's expertise in raising capital is a welcome addition to the Company. In other news and further to the Company's news release of October 20, 2005, the Company is involved in ongoing negotiations with CMKM Diamonds, Inc. to acquire CMKM Diamond, Inc,'s 25 per cent earn-in interest in Saskatchewan mineral claims S-137714-S137717. Presently, the claims are held on a 50-50 basis by United Carina Resources (Vancouver:UCA.V - News) and Consolidated Pine Channel (Vancouver:KPG.V - News). CMKM Diamonds Inc. is earning an interest in these claims and, when the earn-in obligations are complete, the property will be equally owned as to 25 per cent each, that is: United Carina 25 per cent, Consolidated Pine Channel 25 per cent, CMKM Diamonds 25 per cent and U.S. Canadian Minerals 25 per cent.
ADVERTISEMENT
The claims include the Carolyn kimberlite pipe and United Carina reported in an October 18, 2005 news release that in a five-hole drill program on this pipe in 2004, samples from one of the holes tested for diamond content. Only two micro-diamonds were recovered, but further testing will probably be conducted on other samples from the drill holes.
The Company expects to make an announcement about the terms of the negotiations should an agreement be reached. There is no NI 43-101 compliant report completed on these claims and there is no assurance that the Company will be successful in reaching a definitive agreement.
For more information call Craig Doctor at 604-278-4656.
On behalf of the Board,
"Gregory F. Kennedy" Gregory F. Kennedy President
Forward Looking Statement
Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this Press Release may be forward looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause Entourage Mining Ltd.'s actual results in future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. These risks and uncertainties include, among other things, volatility of commodity prices, product demand, market competition, and risks inherent in Entourage Mining Ltd.'s operations. These and other risks are described in the Company's Annual Report on Form 20-F and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission as well as the Company's filings on the SEDAR continuous disclosure system in Canada.
Contact: Entourage Mining Ltd. Craig Doctor (604) 278-4656 craig*entouragemining.com
Posted by legaleagle on :
NOTICE ALL COMPANIES COMING TOGETHER.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Hmmmm "Corey Klassen". His name is on the bottom of all my CMKX certs. Very interesting
Posted by legaleagle on :
Similarities
Notice that all of the Entourage agreements are dated to be finalized on Oct 28th. Then read this Shore Gold / Kensington PR issued today and note the date they are bringing things together. Coincidence?
Kensington Resources Securityholders Approve Plan of Arrangement with Shore Gold Inc. Friday October 21, 2:47 pm ET
VANCOUVER, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 21, 2005--Kensington Resources Ltd. (the "Company") (TSX VENTURE:KRT - News; TSX VENTURE:KRT.WT - News) reports that its securityholders have voted overwhelmingly today to approve the Plan of Arrangement (the "Arrangement") with Shore Gold Inc. The Company confirms that the Arrangement was approved by 99.2% of the votes cast at the meeting. The completion of the Arrangement remains conditional upon the receipt of all necessary regulatory and court approvals. The application for court approval will be held on October 28, 2005 and it is anticipated that the closing of the Arrangement will also occur on October 28, 2005. ADVERTISEMENT
"We are very pleased to have received such strong securityholder approval to proceed with the merger," said Robert A. McCallum, President and CEO of Kensington Resources Ltd. "The merging of Kensington Resources Ltd. and Shore Gold Inc. will create a stronger platform upon which to grow our diamond-based assets. We believe that the combination of these two companies will have a tremendous impact on the economics of the Fort a la Corne region and the future potential of both the Fort a la Corne Joint Venture and the Star Kimberlite through significant development and operational synergies. With an attractive combination of near-term development of the Star Kimberlite, the large potential of the Joint Venture claims and a strong cash balance, the combined companies will be in a better position to deliver value to our shareholders."
Kensington Resources Ltd. is an exploration and mine development company currently focused on the high potential Fort a la Corne Diamond Project in Saskatchewan. The management team includes strong technical expertise and is committed to reaching a diamond producer status for the realization of shareholder value. The Fort a la Corne Diamond Project is a joint venture among Kensington Resources Ltd. (42.245%), De Beers Canada Inc. (42.245%), Cameco Corporation (5.51%) and UEM Inc. (carried 10%). After fifteen years of exploration at Fort a la Corne, the joint venture partners have entered into an accelerated results-driven advanced exploration and evaluation phase targeted on reaching a pre-feasibility decision in 2008. The Fort a la Corne Diamond Project includes 63 identified kimberlite bodies within the largest diamondiferous kimberlite cluster in the world.
FORM 20-F FILE #0-24980
LISTED IN STANDARD & POOR'S
The TSX Venture Exchange has not reviewed and does not accept resp onsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this news release.
Kensington Resources Ltd. (TSX VENTURE:KRT - News; TSX VENTURE:KRT.WT - News)
Posted by Ric on :
The only problem legal is none of them are worth anything that are dealing with CMKX. Shells and scams trading shares between each other. Making shareholders feel good but not making them money. Now they have convinced the cult to buy another company that can start a p&d.
Legal if you don't want to come to terms with buying scams thats fine but you are pumping them on the boards whether you think you are or not. I don't care what scam they want to trade shares with this week. You don't dump 703 billion shares without being a scam.
You don't stop filing so the shareholders can't see the books. You don't keep shady records when you are a up and up public company period. And the super secret theory is just stupid. Companies like SHore, Debeers, and Kensington don't have to hide their books and dump share. And I know Debeers is private but there finances are still public just do a search and you will find it.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: The only problem legal is none of them are worth anything that are dealing with CMKX. Shells and scams trading shares between each other. Making shareholders feel good but not making them money. Now they have convinced the cult to buy another company that can start a p&d.
Legal if you don't want to come to terms with buying scams thats fine but you are pumping them on the boards whether you think you are or not. I don't care what scam they want to trade shares with this week. You don't dump 703 billion shares without being a scam.
You don't stop filing so the shareholders can't see the books. You don't keep shady records when you are a up and up public company period. And the super secret theory is just stupid. Companies like SHore, Debeers, and Kensington don't have to hide their books and dump share. And I know Debeers is private but there finances are still public just do a search and you will find it.
You keep them secret if you want shorty to come to the bargaining table. They don't want the evidence public.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Ric, if "denial" works for you:
GO WITH IT.
Posted by Ric on :
Legal there is no shorty coming to the bargaining table. Its only a brainwashing tool. lol 703 billions shares and shorty is very funny. I am sure cmkx has been short some days but this dream of huge short causing a settlement or short squeeze is silly. Talk about denial. You even pointed out the fact how long it would take to cover the short that the cult dreams of.
Posted by bill1352 on :
cmkx sells everything to another public company whose stock you have to buy to profit from. claims sold for 50 million shares that if they hit the market will dilute the stock about 300%. this leaves the stock everyone spent their last dollar buying an empty shell with only shares of other companies & you think this is a good thing. what about all the money spent buying cmkx? its not only revoked but now it has no value. nothing for UC to send you checks on at some mystery point in the future. you need serious help if you still think the cmkx future is bright.
Posted by Ric on :
Was thinking the same thing Bill. I thought yesterday that UC may give it as divy and convince the cult that Entourage would be the new company then start dumping billions of share of that stock.
But seeing the rush to buy from the cult why does UC have to give a divy. He keeps the shares and after CMKX is revokes he takes charge of Entourage. First thing he does is convince the cult that CMKX is setting in the wings don't worry about it. But buy this stock for now. Then he stops filing and starts the printing press. What a plan. Another 800 billion shares later he starts over again.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Like I said, bash away, miss the last opportunity.
Posted by Upside on :
Shaking my head in pure disbelief.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Do you think they will give UC a printing press in the slammer? Maybe his wife or the kid will get to use it.
Posted by Ric on :
The cult is so brainwashed now by UC he doesn't even have to speak and the cult know where to find his next scam for them to buy into.
Posted by Monopoly Money on :
I didnt realize me posting here was a waist of time
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: waste their time here.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Monopoly it's only a waste of time if you fail to make any money.
Posted by legaleagle on :
The bashing has reached a new level of
HYSTERIA
How come? Feeling the pressure? Can you hear it now?
Posted by Monopoly Money on :
have you made any money as a result of posting here?
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Monopoly it's only a waste of time if you fail to make any money.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by Monopoly Money: have you made any money as a result of posting here?
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Monopoly it's only a waste of time if you fail to make any money.
Monopoly,
We have just a few pumpers here including legal. That QBID thread is loaded with them and even legal knows more than they.
Posted by Marty on :
Well financed 'stock' racing...LOL:
Have fun!!!
BTW, wasn't this going to be revoked on the 20th?
Posted by johnny14511 on :
i ahte pumpers
Posted by Ric on :
Now the scam starts. Entourage just appointed to the BOD an EX CMKX officer, Secretary for CMKX - CORY KLASSEN.
Looks like the transfer is on and CMKX will start a knew p&d with Entourage. Just wait, the corporation will move to Nevada next.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Nice to see you keep "a-breast" of something, Marty.
Had to add the quotes ("").
Posted by Ric on :
They will have to get a new stock symbol though for the drag car. "Get ETGMF" just don't get it.
Posted by Marty on :
I keep a-breast of a lot of things Wallace, including stocks.....so, is this still slated to be revoked, or did I miss something regarding the date?
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see the next step is install one of the ppl UC gave billions of shares too. the new pump already is in the hole over $1 million, its o/s has just been diluted 300%. it has to come up with a couple million or so to pay the buy in to keep the claims & not 1 thing is bringing in money & to get to the point of bringing in money they need about $1 billion. i'd say thats a sure bet. its a can't miss stock, play of a lifetime part 2....there is a definition of insanity, it states that repeating the same mistakes & expecting differant results is insane. i think the term insane is a bit mild in this case....lol
Posted by Marty on :
Always did like quotes "" with my breasts..really gets them noticed..
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Nice to see you keep "a-breast" of something, Marty.
Had to add the quotes ("").
Posted by Ric on :
It has already been revoked but under appeal. The commission can do it at any time starting today. Yesterday was the last time CMKX could reply to the SEC. It is up to the Commission when they can review the briefs and make the decision.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Glad you appreciated the breast quotes, Marty.
Yes, today was supposed to be the day of revocation. Who knows what the hell will happen tomorrow.
Posted by bill1352 on :
marty the final reply was due on the 20th. the appeal judge now has 21 days to finalize cmkx being revoked. we're bettin its much less then that....lol
Posted by Marty on :
Gotcha' guys, thanks for the update....
Posted by Ric on :
bill: there is a definition of insanity, it states that repeating the same mistakes & expecting differant results is insane. i think the term insane is a bit mild in this case....lol
roflmao
Posted by Mini Me on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: VANCOUVER, British Columbia, April 26, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- Entourage Mining Ltd. (the ``Company'') (OTC BB:ETGMF.OB - News) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the ``Nevada Gold Project''). United Carina Resources Corp. (Vancouver:UCA.V - News) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Other OTC:CMKX.PK - News) have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project. Each of the optionees can exercise its option to acquire a 10% interest by:
(a) paying $40,000 to Entourage upon Entourage executing its sub-lease option agreement to purchase a 100% beneficial interest in the Nevada Gold Project; and
(b) making $85,000 USD in work commitments or an amount equal to but not to exceed 10% of Entourage's work expenditures on the Nevada Gold Project.
Entourage welcomes the participation of these companies as the size of the Nevada Gold Project is increasing as more claims are being staked contiguous to the original Black Warrior claim blocks. The company is awaiting drill permits from the Bureau of Land Management and expects to have an extensive drill program underway in the near future.
Apparently not many of you 50,000 savy CMKX investors capitalized off of the news you provided above.
On April 26th ETGMF closed at .33 on 50,000 in volume. It actually closed down from the previous day,and continued on it's downward trend for several months following the news you've provided. I find that rather odd considering all you guys were in the loop as you've stated,and how everyone in your large community were well informed. Surely the volume and price would have an indicated the presence of such a large group of investors that were buying and holding,so please explain how the price plummetted following the news on April 26th,and didn't rebound until recently? Also please explain ETGMF's rather light volume and many days of no trades taking place since that press release,especially when the stock was trading down nearly a 100% from April 26th.
You also have to love how ETGMF was front loaded just before the most recent news. It did nothing for months on end,and then it just so happens in the weeks prior to CMKX giving away all their assests for shares the volume spikes big time. I wonder who was buying then?
Posted by bill1352 on :
correct me if i'm wrong here but isn't the BOD secratary in charge of keeping some of the company records straight? the records nobody can find. & wasn't Klasson part of the group if not the guy that set the cybermark deal up? the deal that the cult says was back loaded & full of toxic financing? you know, the group that tryed to steal the claims from UC. the group that issued 703.5 billion shares without UC knowing about it? one of Edwards inside plants??? now he's a good guy???
Posted by bill1352 on :
Mini...read the filings...insiders have been buying in the last week, even issuing themselves shares...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good post Mini.
bill, you are correct about the BOD's Secretary's duties. Basically, though, he does not get involved with the operational records. Only records the Board's actions.
Posted by Mini Me on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: Mini...read the filings...insiders have been buying in the last week, even issuing themselves shares...lol
Bill,
That is exactly the point. Legal made it sound like all his groupies were pounding the table with this stock,when there is nothing in the price and volume of ETGMF over the past 6 month that indicates such a thing taking place. Maybe a very slim minority of the 50k CMKX investors jumped on board early,but the majority of those people who were in this with a large position prior to the recent news were insiders and the penny stock promoters.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Right again, Mini. Suggests legal is BSing, huh. Awww!! He wouldn't do that, would he?
Posted by will on :
"legal is BSing, huh. Awww!! He wouldn't do that, would he? " Why would he have to "do" that, when it has been readily apparent since the beginning of time here, that he "is" that! Well, maybe the confusion comes in with the definition of bullchit and horsechit. Just to refresh your memories: Bullchit is when a guy is stretching the truth, embellishing, lying, or not knowing wtf he's talking about, while horsechit is a guy believing his own bullchit.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Yeah, but as I once said, some of us like the aroma of horsesh-it.
Posted by will on :
Get your ass down to Indinapolis then, man. Sidle up next to your pal noah there, and let the horsechit waft up your nostrils. He's a horsechit factory.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Yeah, but as I once said, some of us like the aroma of horsesh-it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
LMAO! Will, you must stop doing that! Too much humor and I like being a grumpy old man. I stopped laughing when I realized you were speaking to me and not Upside.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Mini Me:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: VANCOUVER, British Columbia, April 26, 2005 (PRIMEZONE) -- Entourage Mining Ltd. (the ``Company'') (OTC BB:ETGMF.OB - News) announces that the Company has added two partners to participate in its Black Warrior gold/silver project in Esmeralda County Nevada (the ``Nevada Gold Project''). United Carina Resources Corp. (Vancouver:UCA.V - News) and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Other OTC:CMKX.PK - News) have each been granted the right to acquire a 10% interest in the Nevada Gold Project. Each of the optionees can exercise its option to acquire a 10% interest by:
(a) paying $40,000 to Entourage upon Entourage executing its sub-lease option agreement to purchase a 100% beneficial interest in the Nevada Gold Project; and
(b) making $85,000 USD in work commitments or an amount equal to but not to exceed 10% of Entourage's work expenditures on the Nevada Gold Project.
Entourage welcomes the participation of these companies as the size of the Nevada Gold Project is increasing as more claims are being staked contiguous to the original Black Warrior claim blocks. The company is awaiting drill permits from the Bureau of Land Management and expects to have an extensive drill program underway in the near future.
Apparently not many of you 50,000 savy CMKX investors capitalized off of the news you provided above.
On April 26th ETGMF closed at .33 on 50,000 in volume. It actually closed down from the previous day,and continued on it's downward trend for several months following the news you've provided. I find that rather odd considering all you guys were in the loop as you've stated,and how everyone in your large community were well informed. Surely the volume and price would have an indicated the presence of such a large group of investors that were buying and holding,so please explain how the price plummetted following the news on April 26th,and didn't rebound until recently? Also please explain ETGMF's rather light volume and many days of no trades taking place since that press release,especially when the stock was trading down nearly a 100% from April 26th.
You also have to love how ETGMF was front loaded just before the most recent news. It did nothing for months on end,and then it just so happens in the weeks prior to CMKX giving away all their assests for shares the volume spikes big time. I wonder who was buying then?
Mini. Some folks bought before the dip and held, some bought later in the dip. Others averaged down from the .33 Your question seems to indicate that because the price went down and there wasn't a tremendous volume surge immediately that investors did not take advantage of the opportunity. However, savvy investors don't jump right away. They analyze, and chart their investments and get in when they feel the time is right.
And the "front loading" was apparently by officers of the corporation.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These officers of Entourage minimg sure are accumulating shares in their company. This is a very good sign All info from Edgar . Disp. Accum Total after trade 9/14 Shatzko 130 K 630,000 9/29 Kennedy 5 K 5,000 9/29 Kennedy 100 K 605,000 9/29 Shatzko 600 K 1,233,000 10/14 Kennedy 100 K 505,000 10/14 Kennedy 500 K 500,000 10/14 Shatzko 30 K 1,173,000
Since August Kennedy (president) - unsure due to total shares reported does not match the Disp/Accum totals Total held as of last Form4 is 500,000
Shatzko (chairman) - appears to have accumulated an additional 500,000 shares since August 1
IMHO - this bodes very good for us investors as the majors in the company have been accumulating a significient amount.
One of the results of posts like legal's is legions of uninformed penny traders just reading a few pages and searching shallowly in the company history will buy thinking/hoping for a quick profit. I think these are the people who fall into the new p/d and are pawns for UC and other predators. UC and cohorts KNOW this and it goes on and on. But I thought for sure UC would move into oil and gas. And Ric is right I believe, the CEO's are making the money all along not the shareholders. The pattern's are obvious. S5
Posted by duediligence1 on :
Looks like they found a way to keep this scam going. I thought Walt disney was were dreams were made.
Posted by stockster5 on :
""IMHO - this bodes very good for us investors as the majors in the company have been accumulating a significient amount (shares)."" Well D'oh... isn't this how the majors get to keep YOUR invested money, they issue shares to themselves. 'significient', c'mon people, use your spell checker.
Posted by legaleagle on :
A Very Positive Conversation With Entourage IR Guy « Thread Started on Today at 12:28pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi All,
Well, in my continuing quest for information and facts, I just completed a call with Craig, the IR person for Entourage.
After being greeted by a very cheerful and upbeat receptionist, I was put on hold for a few minutes while she connected me to Craig whom I believe was on his cell phone. While waiting for the connection to be made, I was soothed by the music of Enya--a nice touch...eh--and as I listened to Enya, I reviewed Entourage's web site--I really like its look. So, to that point, I enjoyed my initial introduction to Entourage.
I was connected to Craig and found him to be VERY positive regarding the Entourage/CMKM deal that is in the works.
Here is what he said:
~He can assure me that Entourage will be putting out other PRs next week regarding the issue surrounding the Entourage/CMKX deal.
~ He hinted that we well see a PR from CMKM that will clear up a lot of things and many of the pressing questions that have been asked by shareholders in the past.
~He said that to his understanding, a big meeting is going on right now at CMKM regarding CMKM issues only(could this be the Board Meeting we had been told that Mr. Frizzell is going to attend), and that he is expecting new from said meeting as to status of CMKM...and that may clear up a lot of things.
~I asked him if he had any thoughts as to us being revoked or not. He said, after a looooong pause, I would have to say you guys are probably going to be out of the woods here, if this whole situation with Entourage comes to fruition.
~He said Entourage is fully reporting on Edgar as well as in Canada on CEDAR(?)
I really liked Craig's attitude.
That's about it folks.
Onward,
CDLIC
Posted by Ric on :
A IR guy being positive and giving uplifting answers. Thats a new novel approach for an IR, lol.
Guess what CMKI was a fully reporting company on Edgar before UC got involved too. So was USCA. SGGM was an empty shell that somehow like a miracle came up with 10 million dollars which seemed to disappear.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Should sugar coat them words Ric. LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
i will side with legal on the entourage deal as it does have some positives. of course what i see as positive is not what legal see's. as a canadian company it has to report everything in detail. as far as i know canada does not have pink sheets. now if it all of a sudden moves to vegas, well we all know what comes next. once & for all this line about "we have the goods" can be answered. cmkx is finished. they didn't have the paperwork or records needed to continue. the cult can sit & wait for UC to mail them a check till their grandbaby's have grandbaby's. if UC has any morals at all he will go bankrupt & let the cult move on with their lives. i'm sure a pr can be worded so the he can stay out of jail. might include a line about , just because its posted on the net doesn't make it true. he can put the blame on the likes of wille, dr. d, acca, sterling & a few others. for now all those claims will be public info, what happens & what might be found will not be a guessing game and no shares will be added without a filing.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Alright people, lets get honest with ourselves here. When was the last time anyone went to jail for a penny stock scam!? Anyone care to try and research to find a name or company. I did and so far found nobody to name. Remember, it has to be a sub penny or less than 5 cents type company. UC has as much chance for jail as Bush does to be impeached. NOBODY CARES in the real world of grown up stocks. I come here to gain insight into the inner workings of stock scams. I'm not disappointed.
S5
Posted by Upside on :
From their latest annual report:
"We have one subsidiary company, Entourage USA Inc., located at 6121 Lakeside Drive, Suite 260, Reno, Nevada 89511. The subsidiary company will seek mineral prospects in the United States."
Anyone care to bet that this subsidiary becomes the new headquarters?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Stockster, you will definitely learn something from this one.
Posted by legaleagle on :
If you don’t know who Paul Shatzko is, here is some VERY encouraging information. As you know, Paul Shatzko is one of the majority shareholders of Entourage Mining Ltd. He was also the founder and chairman of the board of directors of Mountain Province, a Canadian-based diamond exploration company, and was actively involved in Mountain Province’s progress leading to their JOINT VENTURE WITH DEBEERS.
Wallace. it it time for a new thread ??? Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Stockster, you will definitely learn something from this one.
I agree with that statement.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Doc, this heading is still appropriate. Judgement Day is still coming. But Wallace didn't know how prophetic this title was when he wrote it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
L: "But Wallace didn't know how prophetic this title was when he wrote it." ---------------
That's what you think, legal.
Doc, I don't care if someone starts a new thread. How about "Dead is Dead"? Or, "Worthless is Worthless"?
Posted by Before_You_Buy on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: If you don’t know who Paul Shatzko is, here is some VERY encouraging information. As you know, Paul Shatzko is one of the majority shareholders of Entourage Mining Ltd. He was also the founder and chairman of the board of directors of Mountain Province, a Canadian-based diamond exploration company, and was actively involved in Mountain Province’s progress leading to their JOINT VENTURE WITH DEBEERS.
You my friend are the biggest pumper on this site. You have posted MB of DD only to come up short with making people money. Company seems to have everything planned but seem to always leave there shareholders in the dust. Do you work for them? Are you paid or just in love with this stock? SEC has released a new list of tickers for which the new CMKX can be called. Here are the following tickers.... SCAM, DIRT, POS, CRAP, and my fav a 5 letter ticker REVOK..... Amazing on the insiders buying up shares and as soon as she spikes they dump all over the new investors. Everyone just stop posting on this thread. It has become the biggest scam of man kind and the CEO better not show his face in public. Legal the only postive this stock has done was run from .00004 to .0002 forgetting to mention most investors got in .0001-.0003 all those people who got on this 2 weeks ago thinking they were going to get paid I am glad to see you lose your money. You let your greedy and the pumpers like legal get the best of you. No r/s but you will be given shares of an even worthless stock which will be brought to the ground very soon. The cycle of CMKX has continue once again.
Posted by Upside on :
Hey there Before_You_Buy, Legal's one of our own here and only those that have earned their stripes can argue with him. You've got two posts under your belt, nowhere near enough. No one here is "glad" to see anyone lose money, we just like to fight. You've gotta learn how it's done before you make bold statements.
Posted by Before_You_Buy on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Hey there Before_You_Buy, Legal's one of our own here and only those that have earned their stripes can argue with him. You've got two posts under your belt, nowhere near enough. No one here is "glad" to see anyone lose money, we just like to fight. You've gotta learn how it's done before you make bold statements.
Since when do I have to have x-amount of post to speak out against someone? I didn't have to read through 114 pages of "wonderful" DD for me to come to the deducation that he is a pumper and perhapse a paid one. Upside the downside is you bash a pumper, but bash a basher who bashes a pumper. How real is that? I have no intentions of fighting with you or anyone else on this board. Stop wasting ATP in your fingers on this and let legal post by himself. Haven't you noticed less people have been posting on this thread since 2-3 months ago? Stop beating a dead horse.. CMKX will change there ticker to SCAM and legal does the name "Marta stewart" ring a bell?
Posted by bullish_pennystocks on :
there should be a merger of 2-3 companies with CMKX next week..cmkx will cease to exist..
May be this thread can be closed,
Posted by stockster5 on :
I like my new thread suggestion ... 'cmkx the aftermath'. Does anyone even have proof UC is in US or Canada? I wouldn't be surprised if he's been in S.A. all along. Bash a basher who bashes a pumper who pumps a basher's pumper's pump of a bashing basher who pumper's a bashing pump of gun who bas............ ooohhh my head
Posted by stockster5 on :
okay, actual real question... if a company merges can it deem its stock worthless? or does it have to be a bankruptcy.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Before_You_Buy:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Hey there Before_You_Buy, Legal's one of our own here and only those that have earned their stripes can argue with him. You've got two posts under your belt, nowhere near enough. No one here is "glad" to see anyone lose money, we just like to fight. You've gotta learn how it's done before you make bold statements.
Since when do I have to have x-amount of post to speak out against someone? I didn't have to read through 114 pages of "wonderful" DD for me to come to the deducation that he is a pumper and perhapse a paid one. Upside the downside is you bash a pumper, but bash a basher who bashes a pumper. How real is that? I have no intentions of fighting with you or anyone else on this board. Stop wasting ATP in your fingers on this and let legal post by himself. Haven't you noticed less people have been posting on this thread since 2-3 months ago? Stop beating a dead horse.. CMKX will change there ticker to SCAM and legal does the name "Marta stewart" ring a bell?
Sure I've noticed less and less people are posting on this thread. The thing is though, it's really nothing more than fun for most of us. We comment on other stocks but this is home. You come on here and call him a "pumper" and the rest of us "bashers". Guess what, there's really no such thing. There's no conspiracy surrounding this stock, one way or the other. Most here don't believe in it, one or two do and there's a good exchange without getting into the pro boards labeling.
Posted by legaleagle on :
B4Ubuy, "biggest pumper on this site"? Thank you, I have always wanted to be the best at something.
"only to come up short with making people money"
folks made money on this stock in the run to .0011, and the recent run up from .00004 to .0002. The jury is still out on how much they may have made on the distributed divies. So money has been made by the intelligent investor, and more is probable. But beyond that, it is not my job to "make people money", that is your job. What I bring to this board is information and balance. Something that was lacking for many months. It's up to you how you apply it to your investing decisions.
"Everyone just stop posting on this thread."
Well B4Ubuy, I don't think anyone here is interested in your "instructions". If we don't agree on anything else, we are all here to see this thing to the end. However, you have an alternative to reading this if you don't like it.
"the CEO better not show his face in public."
LOL, You can see Urban's face at the race this weekend if you would like.
BTW, should be an interesting 8K that's being published in the AM tomorrow.
And B4Ubuy, please take one piece of advice I have given here many times in the past, before you post again. "Shhhhhh....listen."
[ October 23, 2005, 10:42: Message edited by: legaleagle ]
Posted by Before_You_Buy on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: "only to come up short with making people money"
folks made money on this stock in the run to .0011, and the recent run up from .00004 to .0002. The jury is still out on how much they may have made on the distributed divies. So money has been made by the intelligent investor, and more is probable. "Shhhhhh....listen."
You seem to have all the answers. Care to answer a few for me? 1) How do you know folks made money on this? Do you have DTC reports of investors and the price in which they bought and sold at? 2) If anyone made money it's the daytraders like myself who laugh at you and this stock. Most investors in willes room and paltalk have an avg of .0002-.0003 and can't even sell at .0002 which means they are in red big time.. 3) The diviy that is coming will give you guys shares of the new company they moved there assets to but after they S8 the stock. So not only will they be getting shares of a company in which insiders sold on friday but they will get about 40 something shares for every 1m shares you own of CMKX. Oh yeah 40 mean shares of a .05 stock.
Not to mention you have outliers such as a few people who have billion of shares. That would lead you to believe that you will get tons of shares of the new company for every 1m shares you own right. LMAO GET REAL!!!!! People will lose on this crap bug time and it seems that the CEO of the new company is the one who started the shorting. LMAO the wheels of the CMKX scam goes round and round...
Posted by legaleagle on :
LOL go back to daytrading. Most of us are daytraders, but also recognize a "heritage stock" when it comes along. Many don't. Sorry you are in the minority on this one.
Take a look at tomorrow's 8K and then decide.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I have had enough of this bashing the pumping bashers, who pump the bashers, who pump the bashing pumped pumpers, who after all only pumped they're pumping pumped bashed bashers!!!
So there!
Oh, the humanity of it all!
[ October 23, 2005, 12:50: Message edited by: Dustoff101 ]
Posted by Ric on :
But Dustoff, can you say that 5 times real fast, lol.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Where's that Shakeman hanging out? Stirring up dem dar Vikings?
Or dem dar HORNETS!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Hurricane update on Wilma right now....
Fox News
Posted by Before_You_Buy on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: LOL go back to daytrading. Most of us are daytraders, but also recognize a "heritage stock" when it comes along. Many don't. Sorry you are in the minority on this one.
Take a look at tomorrow's 8K and then decide.
And because of this being a "Heritage stock" TELL me why she has created so many millionaires. LMao
Posted by Before_You_Buy on :
oH AND the 8K is released tommorow so the CEO can dump more shares on the increase in PPS. Sounds like a nice P&D to me....
Posted by cobracobra on :
Hey B4 u buy,,,SADP---- and say good bye.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Hey Dusty... I had that copyrighted. ...
Posted by tarq3 on :
On October 20, 2005, Mr. Robert A. Maheu notified CMKM of his resignation as a member and Co-Chairman of the Board of Directors. His resignation was effective as of 10:00 a.m. on October 20, 2005.
Posted by Ric on :
CMKX is going out of business and they will get divy's in the Entourage deal in exchange entoirage gets CMKX's claims. Basically
Mr. Urban Casavant will remain as the sole officer and director of CMKM until the affairs of CMKM are wound up. As a result of health concerns, Mr. Casavant intends to resign as the sole officer and director effective immediately upon a determination that all shares and other assets of CMKM have been properly disbursed to its stockholders.
Posted by Ric on :
As a result of the recent events surrounding CMKM, the Stoecklein Law Group has been requested by the Board of Directors of CMKM to withdraw its Petition for Review in the Matter of CMKM Diamonds, Inc., Administrative Proceeding File No. 3-11858. On October 21, 2005, a formal withdrawal of its petition for review to the Securities and Exchange Commission was submitted. CMKM has requested the Commission withdraw the petition and institute the Initial Decision of the Administrative Law Judge revoking registration of the common stock of CMKM pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Exchange Act effective immediately.
Posted by Ric on :
CMKX is no more and you get 50 million in divy's in Entourage.
What a division, I think you get 76 shares per million owned in CMKX. Thats it and Entourage was broke the last I looked.
I predicted this last week. Now let the new p&d begin.
Posted by tic_toc on :
You dont think ETGMF is a play then?
ya'll seen UCAD spike to $18 from $5 when they issued the divy last year. same thing happen here?
Posted by Ric on :
Entourage's first order of business is to sell shares as fast as the can to make money. Wonder if they can sell 778 billion shares in 2 years. But it could run briefly from the cult CMKXers rashing to buy even more shares of entourage so the scam can continue. But after the rush the stock is still diluted to death so the pps will drop like a rock.
Posted by Ric on :
New thread could be called:
ETGMF - CMKX scam continues
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: New thread could be called:
ETGMF - CMKX scam continues
You ought to make that:
"CMKX --> ETGMF - the scam continues"
Posted by bill1352 on :
i guess the sting theory was just flushed. can't even pony up 1/2 a mil to keep claims. due to the SEC they can't sell any more shares, isn't that a shame. bottom line, they r/s'ed 703.5 billion shares into 50 million. can we get a big THANK YOU UC from the cult??? the only saving grace is as a canadian company they can't just add shares as they like. next step, become a nevada corp & move off the canadian boards. if i'm the cult or a shareholder that gives a rats azz i'm looking for that $60 million gem buy UC had, a certain house up for sale, a clerk named Ginger that made a few million & a bunch of other crooks like they guy entourage just hired. they became millionaires off cmkx. i wonder if that guy that was collecting bottles to buy cmkx about 18 months ago is a happy camper today. by the way....where is our beloved cult member? sympathy cards should be sent as it would seem a family member just died. at least UC was honest at the end. legal documents don't allow you to state they scammed everyone but he came close.
Posted by ed19363 on :
More worthless shares. Probably restricted shares too. What a deal.
Posted by tarq3 on :
Some Excerpts: "It is the intention of CMKM to distribute the shares to be received from Entourage to its stockholders, once a proper method of distribution is decided upon. CMKM plans to use the assistance of Mr. Robert Maheu, Mr. Bill Frizzell, and Mr. Donald J. Stoecklein to coordinate the efforts of a liquidating distribution of the Entourage shares to CMKM stockholders. There will be no voting rights attached to the Entourage shares, including the shares described in Item 1.02 below, until such time as the shares are distributed to the CMKM stockholders."
"Item 1.02 Termination of a Material Definitive Agreement
United Carina Default
Under the terms of the agreement between CMKM and United Carina on October 23, 2004, CMKM was obligated to spend a total of $500,000 on exploration of the Hatchet Lake properties over the 12 months from the date of the agreement. CMKM does not have the necessary capital to meet this obligation and has therefore defaulted under the terms of the agreement. Furthermore, due to the ongoing Securities and Exchange Commission investigation currently being conducted, CMKM has been unable to raise the necessary capital needed to meet the requirements of the above mentioned agreement. Since CMKM was not able to meet its obligations to United Carina, CMKM deemed it to be in the best interest of CMKM to assign its interest in United Carina to Entourage as described in Item 1.01 above.
On October 20, 2005, the agreement between CMKM and United Carina was officially terminated upon the signing of the Assignment Agreement with Entourage Mining. There are no material early termination penalties as a result of the agreement being terminated, but CMKM has consented to and agreed to hold harmless Entourage for entering into the new agreement with United Carina."
"Item 5.02 Departure of Directors or Principal Officers; Election of Directors; Appointment of Principal Officers
On October 20, 2005, Mr. Robert A. Maheu notified CMKM of his resignation as a member and Co-Chairman of the Board of Directors. His resignation was effective as of 10:00 a.m. on October 20, 2005. CMKM believes it is in the best interest for the company to accept Mr. Mahue's resignation as a director due to CMKM's current lack of funds to continue its operations and in anticipation of a distribution to CMKM stockholders of the anticipated receipt of the Entourage stock, whereby Mr. Maheu has agreed to lend his assistance to CMKM and its stockholders as a consultant, trustee, or in any other capacity as needed during the winding up of CMKM's affairs. Additionally, Mr. Maheu has agreed to waive his rights to any past financial obligations due him from CMKM.
Mr. Urban Casavant will remain as the sole officer and director of CMKM until the affairs of CMKM are wound up. As a result of health concerns, Mr. Casavant intends to resign as the sole officer and director effective immediately upon a determination that all shares and other assets of CMKM have been properly disbursed to its stockholders."
"Item 8.01 Other Events
On October 21, 2005, the Board of Directors of CMKM approved the formation of a task force consisting of Mr. Robert A. Maheu, Mr. Donald J. Stoecklein, and Mr. Bill Frizzell for the purpose of assisting CMKM and Mr. Maheu, as a designated trustee, to conduct an orderly and verifiable pro rata liquidating distribution of any Entourage shares as reference herein and any other available assets of CMKM.
Mr. Maheu has been selected by the Board of Directors to oversee and facilitate the distribution of the Entourage shares and all other assets. Mr. Maheu has been directed by the sole officer and director of CMKM, Mr. Urban Casavant, to use all means possible, including filing appropriate actions in either Federal or State court, to assure that the bona fide stockholders of CMKM receive a pro rata distribution of the 50 million Entourage shares and any other assets of CMKM.
Procedures for facilitating the pro rata distribution of Entourage shares, based upon a verifiable ownership of CMKM shares is being implemented by the CMKM board and the herein referenced task force. A future filing and/or communications will provide information as the procedure.
As a result of the recent events surrounding CMKM, the Stoecklein Law Group has been requested by the Board of Directors of CMKM to withdraw its Petition for Review in the Matter of CMKM Diamonds, Inc., Administrative Proceeding File No. 3-11858. On October 21, 2005, a formal withdrawal of its petition for review to the Securities and Exchange Commission was submitted. CMKM has requested the Commission withdraw the petition and institute the Initial Decision of the Administrative Law Judge revoking registration of the common stock of CMKM pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Exchange Act effective immediately.
A copy of the withdrawal is attached hereto as Exhibit 99.2."
Posted by cobracobra on :
EFF YOU UC,,,, No reverse split my A$$!!! this was a 1 for 14,700 reverse split. I've been had, and i admit it. I hope you rot in prison while geting raped by a 9 foot man with AIDS!!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
and the brain dead keep rolling..........
jay_adobe on 8K (FWIW) "This is huge."
"Expect more information to come out immediately.
This is huge.
You are in for the surprise of your lifetime."
By: jay_adobe 24 Oct 2005, 07:42 AM EDT Msg. 1181616 of 1181628 Jump to msg. #
Do not think this is a failure in any way, but rather, think of this as the bomb that was held to only be used if the last player did not choose to settle.
Shorts are now locked.
In this unique case, revocation is to all our benefit, even though your brain screams to you to think otherwise.
Mr. Mahue is driving the bus to the airport terminal now, safely overseeing all passengers until they are deposited at their destination.
Believe in the company officers.
Your best interest is at hand.
Expect more information to come out immediately.
This is huge.
Bigger than anything you've ever seen in the history of the financial markets.
Watch it unfold.
You can believe that the company has chosen this path for very strategic reasons.
Just relax and watch it unfold.
It would be best to not even engage the bashers today, as they will try to break you today and tomorrow especially.
I bid you farewell and happy trails to all.
You are in for the surprise of your lifetime.
This is about to get really good and you all have a ticket to the show.
Watch it unfold as the master takes full control now.
Enjoy your day. imo
Posted by cobracobra on :
Iff you are liquidating ALL ASSETTS sell that effing Multi million dollar house and distribute the SGGM SHARES that cmkx owns i need more WORTHLESS SHARES i dont have quite enough of things that it will cost me more to sell then they are worth. I cant wait to get the entourage shares,,,, at todays market value the pro rata distribution is worth about 30 percent of what my friggin cmkx (lower case on purpose) is worth. I cant wait to see what they will be worth when 50000000 more hit the market ,,,, we will be lucky to sell them to get 2% back (in 2 years when we can sell them) and dont forget about the $200.00 unrestricting fee from the broker.... EFF YOU UC.
Posted by Ric on :
I read that bill, these pumpers need to be put in the same cell with UC and Bubba handcuffed in the bent over position.
Posted by Ric on :
I don't believe there is 200 billion shares of sggm. If UC got any shares of sggm. I bet they were sold long ago.
Also I like that fact that they mention the distribution of ETGMF shares to the share holders but the million or so dollars in the deal seem to be forgotten. I guess those divy's will go to UC and company.
Posted by cobracobra on :
I WANT THE CASH the 10000000 from SGGM included,,,, but wait, i guess they stole and spent it because they cant even afford to pay mahue 40 grand... FRIGGIN THIEVES
Posted by ed19363 on :
Posts like that leave me speechless. All you can do is shake your head. The old adage is true: Some people are alive only because it is against the law to kill them. Somebody should close this thread and not open a new one. It's sad that anyone that stupid is allowed to walk on the earth.
Posted by cobracobra on :
I guaentee they didn't spend it DRILLING....i guess those race cars are expensive. UC I hope you have enough for a plain ticket to Cuba, its about the only place you can hide from all 50 000 of us. I know i would LOVE to meet you....
Posted by ed19363 on :
Betcha a cup of coffee that one year or less from now, etgmf will be trading at .0001
Posted by buckstalker on :
No disrespect here to the veterans that post on this thread, but this has to be the biggest waste of bandwidth that I have ever seen on a message board....
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Where the hell is legal now? Come on, legal. Some knowledgeable input! I called it ages ago!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: No disrespect here to the veterans that post on this thread, but this has to be the biggest waste of bandwidth that I have ever seen on a message board....
But one hell of a lot of fun watching this POS.
Posted by cobracobra on :
this chit has done it to me for good,,, i have turned to the dark side....
Posted by Ric on :
They are on the cult board making up new dreams and theories how this will trap shorty for life and shareholders are going to make a fortune on a short squeeze.
Not sure if its funny or pathetic or both.
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: No disrespect here to the veterans that post on this thread, but this has to be the biggest waste of bandwidth that I have ever seen on a message board....
Come on. We have more fun in here then the off topic board does and talk about a waste of bandwidth with some of those topics, lol.
Posted by Ric on :
But really, I bet that ETGMF might do a short run on news. It may be a good in and out play from all the cult member believing there own make believe fairy tales. Risky play though.
Don't be surprised if this doesn't move a little. I don't think it will move like USCA did from that divy deal but still. A smart investor could make a dime or two, lol. Those that hold will lose their shirt again.
But I will go along with Ed, that this probably will be .0001 by next year.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Oh, I'm here Wallace. Keep up your uplifting comments. I will look for what they are when all of the information is released.
There is much more coming
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Oh, I'm here Wallace. Keep up your uplifting comments. I will look for what they are when all of the information is released.
There is much more coming
I agree, there is much more to come. When reality sets in there will be law suit after law suit.
Posted by will on :
Haven't heard from Mr. FrizZELL, lately ???
Posted by legaleagle on :
Mr.Frizzell now a member of the BOD of CMKX. Go figure.
1.3 CMKM will indemnify Entourage from all loss, damage, costs, actions and suits arising out of or in connection with any breach of any representation, warranty, covenant, agreement or condition made by CMKM and contained in this Agreement including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, against any and all loss, damage, costs, actions and suits which may be brought as a result of any shareholder actions on the part of CMKM’s shareholders. In lieu of any monetary indemnification, Entourage may claim from CMKM indemnification in the form of repayment, sale or transfer to it of some or all of the Shares (as that term is defined in section 4.1 below).
Posted by cobracobra on :
gee, steal my money, give it to someone else, hide from me by resigning, and then indemnify the ones you gave my money to. Where do the thank-you cards go for the reeming i just got.
Posted by Ric on :
Now voting right are only not premitted until after the distribution. To me this means that ETGMF has time to issue enough shares to itself and its shareholders to make CMKX's holders not as much of a player. Dilution has to occur per the deal. ETGMF must come up with 1,050,000 in financing before the deal is final. Since from their financials they are broke that means they must sell shares on the open market and with the small run they can even make a couple dollars.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: this chit has done it to me for good,,, i have turned to the dark side....
LOL, cobra. Sorry for your loss.
Posted by ed19363 on :
The funniest thing is that none of these companies seems to have any money. Every deal is done in stock shares. IMO, there never will be anything taken from the ground in Canada, since none of them appears to have money to do any actual digging. So it seems the only people who are ever going to make ANY money is the ones selling the stock, e.g. the company owners. This scam can be repeated over and over, as long as stockholders will buy into the hope that someday someone will find something of value. No matter how many shares of these companies are given to CMKX holders, IMO they will never be worth anything, because they have no intention of ever doing anything BUT sell shares in the dream. I have run out of words to describe the low-lifes who perpetrate this dream. Since it appears we are precluded from seeking any legal remedy, all we can do is hope that someday these people will get what is coming to them. Nuf sed, time to move on to a stock that may have a chance of making us some money. GLTA in your investing, I'm done with this one. CYA on the boards.
Posted by cobracobra on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by cobracobra: this chit has done it to me for good,,, i have turned to the dark side....
LOL, cobra. Sorry for your loss.
Did it to myself , no-one else to blame (except UC of coarse for the pump and dump),, time to move on to another. Such is Life.
Posted by Upside on :
Hey Dustoff, they're liquidating ALL assets, wanna arm wrestle for the drilling shack?
Posted by cobracobra on :
i want in on that match upside,,, i need a place to put my riding lawnmower.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Okay, ETGMF seems to be UC and company's scam of choice next... but wait, there's more... down deep in the pages of the sec file is "Hachet property" URANIUM .. UC found URANIUM. He's not doing oil like I thought, it's going to be uranium and platinum (everybody knows platinum is attached to uranium) ... All they did was had over stock to themselves like Ric said... but strangely there is no mention of CMKX only CMKM ...........
Posted by stockster5 on :
Yes, and you can make money right now with all the minor movement going on, and people walking into this now will, as long as they don't hold more than a couple weeks. sh*t, if I had a couple bucks I'd jump in, then get extra cash with a legitimate short position cause this is going down soon.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Hey Dustoff, they're liquidating ALL assets, wanna arm wrestle for the drilling shack?
------------------------------------------------- LOL!! Geezzzz, U/C just keeps us in the barrel..... Who's turn is next?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Do as you please, but I won't sell one share until I see this play out.
Why the talk about "Procedures for facilitating the pro rata distribution of Entourage shares, based upon a verifiable ownership of CMKM shares is being implemented by the CMKM board and the herein referenced task force. A future filing and/or communications will provide information as the procedure."
Verifiable Ownership..........This is a legal play. Glad I pulled certs now. Shorty will have to cover the NS, when the distribution of Entourage takes place.
Standby for announcement of a low legitimate float. IMO
And a high valuation.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Oops..D'oh, cmkx is the stock issue name for cmkm.... <-------- slinks off into corner with little pointy hat.......sheesh
Posted by fulltilt on :
I have some friends that have money invested in this stock, (one of them has every thing he owns in it). They've been talking about hitting it big for the last 1 1/2 years, it's always tommorrow but tommorrow never comes. Been thinking of getting invoved but i'm not reading too much positive about this deal. I'm new to this, any thoughts...???
Posted by legaleagle on :
CMKX MIDDAY VOLUME 2,318,306,000
Posted by legaleagle on :
fulltilt, this is a volatile stock at the moment. If you aren't up to date on ALL of the information and DD on this stock I would be very careful in jumping in. Personally I believe in the stock, but you will find many here who think it is a scam.
Posted by Upside on :
fulltilt, The company has requested revocation from the SEC. They will not be around much longer. You could invest your money right now and it could literally be gone within minutes. Stay away.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: fulltilt, The company has requested revocation from the SEC. They will not be around much longer. You could invest your money right now and it could literally be gone within minutes. Stay away.
I was trying to be a little kinder to the stock, and the poster, Upside. While the company has accepted revocation, it will simply move it's shareholders into another company on a higher exchange. Why did they do that?
The question now is, how many shareholders of record are really out there, and how many are naked shorted.
Lots of answers yet to come.
Posted by stockster5 on :
LEGAL ... THAT was a huge disservice to an alleged investor and amounts to one of the most blatant PUMPS I've ever seen. And on the flip side ... UPside, you could of gave a link to the SEC litigation pages so that person can read for themselves. Yours was a BASH. So if anyone wants to see examples of PUMP and BASH thank you Upside and Legal .................. S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
That said ... here's a few questions to get cmkx OFF peoples mind for a moment.... 1. If a company is distributing a stock div to shareholders of record as of a set date, would that be by share amount held, or just a shareholder at that date. 2. Can a penny company merging with a new company declare its stock worthless, or can only bankruptcy do this. I know this is cmkx thread, but there's so much input here somebody may have time and experience with this... thanks again S5
Posted by Bottomliner on :
legaleagle I tried sending you a PM, but your box is full.
Just wanted your opinion on the future of CMKX. Please send me a PM. Thanks.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legaleagle Member
Member Rated: posted October 24, 2005 14:33
I was trying to be a little kinder to the stock, and the poster, Upside. While the company has accepted revocation, it will simply move it's shareholders into another company on a higher exchange.
The question now is, how many shareholders of record are really out there, and how many are naked shorted.
Lots of answers yet to come. .........
legal, i have given you the benifit of the doubt on many of your posts but this crosses the line. you have to be either a guy that loves to argue thus takes the oppisite side no matter what or the oxygen has been cut off from your brain for an extended period. this is an 8K, not a company pr. there are no criptic messages, its black & white. why do you think they added the entourage protection against cmkx shareholders? you can find a large number of mining companies selling claims to other companies & none have that clause. UC said the o/s is 703.5 billion. the company is shutting down period. 1 of your Edwards buddies has moved to entourage. the sting idea has been flushed as we all except you knew it would. you have been told you were scammed by CMKX in legalize & yet you insist on believing. having faith & keeping positive is a good thing but keeping that when told & proven to be a waste of trust is being utterly stupid. not ONE thing you have believed has proven to be true. the final story was told by the back door with a Sunday filing.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: fulltilt, The company has requested revocation from the SEC. They will not be around much longer. You could invest your money right now and it could literally be gone within minutes. Stay away.
I was trying to be a little kinder to the stock, and the poster, Upside. While the company has accepted revocation, it will simply move it's shareholders into another company on a higher exchange. Why did they do that?
The question now is, how many shareholders of record are really out there, and how many are naked shorted.
Lots of answers yet to come.
Anyone who is considering buying this stock now needs a straightforward answer. As far as being "kinder" to the stock goes, why? It's pretty obvious what's happened here as it's always been. Anyone who invests now will be lucky to wind up with anything, including the Entourage shares. The company has failed on every single promise and pump it's put out, there's no reason for kindness. Yes, this was a scam from the get-go, the only good thing is that it's now over for the most part. Stockster, here's your link:
CMKX Moves out incredible valuation to a new company.
CMKX Takes only real shares with them to ETGMF
CMKX Allows revocation to halt the trading.
Shorty Can't get back any of the NSS, he's locked in.
ETGMF Issues pro rata shares to legitimate "bonafide" CMKX shareholders
Shorty Must find ETGMF shares to cover. Price skyrockets.
CIM Issues cash divy to CMKX shareholders.
CIM Only pays on legit OS.
Shorty Pays the rest. Over and over ad infinitum everytime a divy or royalty is issued.
CMKX Heritage Stock
ETGMF Becomes a precious minerals conglomerate
Shorty Worst nightmare.
Oh well, just a dream, right?
Or is it?
Posted by stockster5 on :
Yep, as per your link Upside, seems to be UC is handing himself some more shares again. Actually, that would be fulltilts link, much obliged. S5
Posted by Bottomliner on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Assume: CMKX 1 trillion or more NSS. . . .
legal Thanks. Interesting scenario.
I have a small position in CMKX and really haven't worried about it much. Right or wrong, I am going to let the cards fall where they may rather than dumping and running. Kind of like drawing to a double inside straight flush. Odds are pretty long but the reward could be significant. Posted by stockster5 on :
Legal ..your assumtion worded correctly..:
UC Moves out incredible valuation to a new company.
UC Takes only real shares with him to ETGMF
UC can't stop revocation to halt the trading.
UC Can't get back any of the NSS, he's locked in.
ETGMF Issues pro rata shares to UC, "bonafide" CMKX shareholder
UC Must find ETGMF shares to cover. New scam
CIM Issues cash divy to UC shareholder.
CIM Only pays UC legit OS.
Shorty Pays the rest. Over and over ad infinitum everytime a divy or royalty is issued.
CMKX vaporcompany Stock
ETGMF Becomes a precious minerals shell
inverstors worst nightmare
Posted by legaleagle on :
Someone, please explain why Ameritrade purchased one hundred and eighty billion shares of CMKX (as per SEC generated master shareholder list) directly from CMKX and bypassing the DTCC / CEDE. Was there a lack of trust situation there to bypass the established system? Why did Ameritrade feel the need to do this? Were they concerned about being caught in a terrible NSS situation?
You'd better believe they did. They risked a severe breach with the DTCC in order to cover themselves from civil or criminal prosecution, imo.
What do you suppose they had to pay for that backdoor deal? Doubt that they got it at market price. LOL
Ameritrade obviously recognized a serious problem with naked shorting, why can't the negs see that this is a serious problem since Ameritrade does?
Posted by Ric on :
Geeze you smoke some good weed legal.
If you really believe that you need to be locked up in a asylum
Posted by Ric on :
I love how the cult turns words around yet the 8-K only said two things. We gave everything away for very little. And we don't have any money and must give up.
I not sure what one resigning and the other retiring has to do with CMKX getting anything in the future. It said it was being dissolved. Not sure how plain the cult needs to be kick in the head.
Posted by bill1352 on :
legal, read the d*** 8K would you please. CMKX IS SHUTTING DOWN!!!!!!!! UC IS GOING BYE BYE. health reasons is stated, i guess big bubba using him as a girlfriend disagrees with his health. if cmkx issues every share entourage pays them to shareholders they have ZERO stake left in entourage. the same as with USCA. they supposedly gave every share to shareholders. if cmkx holds zero shares how does UC control anything? between now and then all entourage has to do is issue 40 million new shares and even the cult has zero voting control or issue 1 prefered share with 1 billion common share rights.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Well it's obvious no one can answer that question, because they know it is indicative of a massive short. And massive shorts have to be covered. AMTD was only one brokerage dealing in the NSing of this company. AMTD is just the only one who took action to cover their own *zzes.
With a severe NS somebody has to get the NS some serious shares of ETGMF, and quickly.
Wallace I think the money went to CIM. Now wait to see what they do with it.
Posted by Doctoall on :
New Thread CMKX "You Have Been Had" Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, read the d*** 8K would you please. CMKX IS SHUTTING DOWN!!!!!!!! UC IS GOING BYE BYE. health reasons is stated, i guess big bubba using him as a girlfriend disagrees with his health. if cmkx issues every share entourage pays them to shareholders they have ZERO stake left in entourage. the same as with USCA. they supposedly gave every share to shareholders. if cmkx holds zero shares how does UC control anything? between now and then all entourage has to do is issue 40 million new shares and even the cult has zero voting control or issue 1 prefered share with 1 billion common share rights.
bill, I have read it many times today, thanks.
But if it's ok with you I think I will hold. LOL
Posted by Doctoall on :
She is cooked Posted by legaleagle on :
Since you couldn't answer the AMTD question, maybe you would like to try this one:
Bill Frizzell, the shareholders group attorney has joined the team in carrying out the distribution of ETGMF shares. Want to venture a guess why they would include the shareholders attorney in witnessing / supervising the screwing 9of the shareholders?
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Since you couldn't answer the AMTD question, maybe you would like to try this one:
Bill Frizzell, the shareholders group attorney has joined the team in carrying out the distribution of ETGMF shares. Want to venture a guess why they would include the shareholders attorney in witnessing, supervising the screwing 9of the shareholders?
So that he gets his shares first? Posted by bill1352 on :
right now if you buy 1 million shares of cmkx thats $200 plus trading costs. you would get 74 shares of entourage or $55 worth at its 52 week hi. that all depends on the fact that UC didn't sell any more of the a/s & none of the entourage shares gets used to pay of debts. i could careless about the 10 or 15 major pumpers of cmkx. i hope they had $50K into cmkx. its the ppl that had no business in penny stocks in the first place that bought a few hundred dollars worth whenever they could over the last 2 yrs all because the scumbag pumpers had then believing they could get something better for their families.
legal if you keep yappin about a hope ppl might get even somehow with some dreamed up idea cmkx is a trillion or more short then you deserve what you will get.
Posted by bill1352 on :
how about they let frizzy in with the hope it stops lawsuits???? how about ameritrade buying of shares was changing common shares to certs at the request of clients??? ameritrade is 1 of the biggest online brokers going. if you are correct the fact they only bought under 2 billion shares is not good for a 1 trillion short idea. thats not counting all the shares sold back into the market by ppl that saw the handwriting on the wall in the last few months.
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: New Thread CMKX "You Have Been Had"
So let's start this new thread. Or CMKX "Urban Took You"
Posted by Ric on :
If and a big if cmkx has some nss then the shorts will only short etgmf. Thats what they always have done and no one is the wiser. These people are good and they know the loopholes and is why they love a R/S because they now have less to cover and they know it.
And this may not be a R/S but is working out the same as one. But we all know it was impossible for a large o/s because the volume wasn't there even with under reporting to tape. They the company dumped 500 billion shares in 7 months. That is an average of 3 billion shares a day by itself, period.
Fairytopia is coming into the real worth soon. With CMKX gone the koolaid withdrawals will be bad but hopefully for some it will be short.
Posted by Ric on :
Doc
CMKX - Fairytopia coming to an end
Posted by bill1352 on :
not at pb57...they think this is a good thing...lol. how many times have they said this guy or that wouldn't join if it was a scam. i guess the only ppl involved with cmkx to make money are shareholders. everyone else is in it for the honor.
i have been jumping around all the boards today and man i have seen so many negative posts, i have not seen this much negativity in a long time. maybe i am a blind idiot but i still feel very good about this. two things-frizzle joining the team, why would he join something that is a scam? he was hired to protect shareholders, i don't think he would turn on the shareholders-that would be a huge conflict of intrest. second thing is don't panic until we hear what the share structure is, that's what i am waiting for. like i said maybe i am just an idiot who knows, hopefully frizzle's update tonight will have some good news in it
Posted by Ric on :
Not sure what goes through legals head. The 8-K made it clear that CMKX was going to be gone.
From 8-K
Mr. Urban Casavant will remain as the sole officer and director of CMKM until the affairs of CMKM are wound up. As a result of health concerns, Mr. Casavant intends to resign as the sole officer and director effective immediately upon a determination that all shares and other assets of CMKM have been properly disbursed to its stockholders.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: how about they let frizzy in with the hope it stops lawsuits???? how about ameritrade buying of shares was changing common shares to certs at the request of clients??? ameritrade is 1 of the biggest online brokers going. if you are correct the fact they only bought under 2 billion shares is not good for a 1 trillion short idea. thats not counting all the shares sold back into the market by ppl that saw the handwriting on the wall in the last few months.
So they would let Frizzell witness the screwing of shareholders that is being predicted here, to avoid lawsuits???
Ameritrade bought 180 billion and only surrendered about 30 billion. What is unique is that they went around the DTCC to accomplish it. Can you show another major broker that did this? AMTD didn't trust the DTCC so they went around them to cover their position.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "As a result of health concerns, Mr. Casavant intends to resign as the sole officer and director.... --------------- I wonder how many death threats he has been getting.
Wallace if you did your DD, you would find that Wesley Casavant, his son, holds a major position in ETGMF, and has since Jan 05. What would you think that is all about if not leaving the Casavant Family in control. Many other interesting names on this form. And this maneuver has been planned since well before the DTCC action was initiated.
Since you seem to have trouble with this DD thing, and since I am feeling charitable towards the misguided today, let me help.
Did I see legal say something about incredible value today?
legal, let me remind you again:
There isn't any value There isn't any NSS There isn't any settelement
The only shorty that exists is the shortness of working brain cells in your little circle jerk of pumpers.
Maybe Mr. FrizZELL will sober you up with some facts when he comes out of hiding.
Or PHASE III, PHASE IV. Get your little CMKX change purse open, I feel someone wanting to wet their beak on the easy CMKX cult prey.
Has the good Dr. Dumbass checked in with his latest hosrechit yet?
Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1:
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: New Thread CMKX "You Have Been Had"
That one belongs on the QBID thread. I like "EAT CROw"
I see that you are still sore Posted by Doctoall on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Damn right with that crap Penny-Trader and DIGDOUGH pulled. SCUM!!
And I see Penny-Trader is still pulling it with his stupid signature. IDIOT that he is.
That's the spirit, spitting and punching, can't pronounce you dead while there is movement Posted by Doctoall on :
Wallace, out of all the material that you sent me, the favorite is: "3 Rules of Getting Older"
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Still talkin' chit I see.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
What's chit? I meant to talk sh-it.
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Posted by Ric on :
A smart investor in this that wanted to hold would sell CMKX tomorrow and buy Entourage. You would get 3 times as many shares that way. But then again a smart investor would have sold CMKX and moved on.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
It all smells the same I guess. Perhaps if CMKX had announced in the 8K that they had bought out DeBeers' Kimberley pipe, maybe everyone would be talkin' roses.
Posted by legaleagle on :
I see Wallace is a happy camper tonight. Don't believe your BS over at QBID either huh?
Posted by legaleagle on :
The page flipped so fast with all the bs, I was afraid you would miss this Entourage post I just made.
Wallace if you did your DD, you would find that Wesley Casavant, his son, holds a major position in ETGMF, and has since Jan 05. What would you think that is all about if not leaving the Casavant Family in control. Many other interesting names on this form. And this maneuver has been planned since well before the DTCC action was initiated. And Cindy Dwyer is Cindy Casavants married name.
Since you seem to have trouble with this DD thing, and since I am feeling charitable towards the misguided today, let me help.
Run it for him for awhile. LOL And note his old friend Emmerson Koch as well.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
By the way, wasn't Emmerson Koch one of those so-called accountants or Treasurers that UC had for CMKX?
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: My guess is that UC understands that the company will be revoked soon and his money making printing press is out of business. So he takes another scam company with little share and gives his loyal cult some token shares so he can start the printing press in full overdrive again. ROFLMAO
And the reason why is some will actually by this scam plan and dump the rest of their life saving into it.
Wonder how I guessed this right Friday. But it looks like UC is rich enough off the 703 billion shares he sold and if legal is right his family is going to run this printing press.
Now you know how thise that were in CMKI before UC feel. Take a 50 cent company and in 2 to 3 years make it a .0001 scam.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: By the way, wasn't Emmerson Koch one of those so-called accountants or Treasurers that UC had for CMKX?
Wallace you really are slipping. Why don't you run back along to the QBID thread. Jeesh. If you are going to advise folks on this stock you really should be more aware of what's going on.
Emmerson Kock was the owner of the 025 Sask claims. And the owner of his own drilling and mining company. Double K Excavating. Long time friend of Urban's, he held most of the claims for him until traded to Entourage in this deal.
Posted by will on :
"gives his loyal cult some token shares"
A little seed money. Like salting the mine. Soon these goofs will be giving more money to the Casavants. bill, is right, how long will it take them to relocate to Nevada. Right after that happens, "start the presses"! The Casavants will have generation money form the backs of the foolish faithful.
Just like Mr. FrizZELL got 'em for PHASE II, they're lining up already for SCAM II.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
She had as much as Emerson Koch? Plus dat pimp Wes? That's 2x1. I guess UC was right when he said everyone would be out before 50 cents... Or maybe it was before he let hip-hop 50 cent on the BOD, I can't remember.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Oh yeah, that's right. Koch is the one who did all that drilling on those hundreds of sites for Casavant, right?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
All I know, Koch=Mr. Money bags.
It's all allright... as long as CMKX sponsor Sammy Haggars' tequila is on tap. I've got friends tring to drag me to Vegas, and I was really hoping to see Sammy play a gig at the shareholders meeting this year.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Ohhhh, it's clearer now... Koch= buddy to UC = UC mentor for mining investors of phony mining investions......um .. ventures........ I want to see the little cmkm 'finality order' on the sec litigation listing page.....
Posted by Ric on :
He forgot Bi-polars, Schizophrenics, and Dissociative Disorders.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They just inherited the most diligent bunch of DD hounds, pumpers, bashers, and freaks of all stripes. The management, TA, and any other entity associated will get no peace. I say good luck to them.
[ October 24, 2005, 22:35: Message edited by: Ric ]
Posted by Ric on :
Emerson Koch, Wesley Casavant and Cindy Casavant (Dwyer) purchasing 666,500 common shares of Entourage at 18 cents per share (today it closed at 61 cents) + 666,600 warrants in Jan 2005 . And then Uncle Urbie "just happens" to put a deal together with Entourage enriching his next of kin and friends in doing so.
Actually Entourage is also incorporated in Nevada. Also in Canada but that can change quickly.
In connection with the Registration Statement on Form S-8, being filed by Entourage Mining Ltd. (the "Company") with the Securities and Exchange Commission under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, relating to the registration of 2,200,000 shares of the Company's Common Stock offered under the Company's Stock Option Plan for Employees, Directors and Consultants (the "Plan") dated January 5, 2005, we are of the opinion that:
1. The Company is a validly organized and existing corporation under the laws of the State of Nevada;
2. All necessary corporate action required to be taken at this time has been duly taken to authorize the establishment of the Plan and the issuance of 2,200,000 shares of the Company's Common Stock under the Plan; and
3. The shares of the Company's Common Stock, when paid for and issued in accordance with the Plan, will be legally issued, fully paid and non-assessable shares of the Common Stock of the Company.
At the time that the Casavants were buying this stock, this is what Entourage had to offer:
"The accompanying consolidated financial statements have been prepared assuming that the Company will continue as a going concern. As discussed in Note 1 to the financial statements, to date the Company has incurred losses of $1,914,932, has no sources of revenue, and further losses are anticipated. These factors raise substantial doubt about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern. Management’s plans in this regard are also described in Note
1. The financial statements do not include any adjustments that might result from the outcome of this uncertainty."
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, CMKX insiders and Casavant family members front loading? That's hard to believe....
Thanks for bringing this in NOS, I'm sure the BCSC would like this information.
Posted by legaleagle on :
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Joined: May 2005 Posts: 654 FIRST AND GOAL - MAHEU AT QB « Thread Started on Yesterday at 10:12pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My opinion on what may be happening:
I believe there are two enemies here - 1) the shorts and 2) the SEC/DTCC. I believe they have worked in concert to try and thwart cmkx. There are some that believe the SEC has acted in concert with us. On this point, I'm not sure, but my gut tells me the SEC has been protecting NSS for a long time and wanted to keep it that way. Anyway, with enemies that include the most powerful hedge funds in the world and the sole US regulatory body for allegedly protecting shareholders, cmkx was up against Goliath. This trap had to be meticulously crafted to inextricably tie up the shorts and the SEC in a noose that could not be broken. I believe UC had been screwed over by plenty of shorts in the past with his prior companies. And when he actually acquired land of significant value, the plot was hatched. So here we are and I believe we have reached the final chapter. All the pieces are in place and the strategy will be revealed. Here is what I think has happened.
The shorts have refused to settle. IMO perhaps one or two big shorts may have thrown in the towel and settled, but imo not all did. If a few settled, that would give cmkx considerably more leverage to move forward on their plan, depending on the value of the settlement. So now cmkx has told off the sec in prior PRs. And they showed up in court looking like bumbling idiots, knowing all the while that the sec would not immediately revoke them since the aim by the sec/shorts was still a cover on the market. Well, now with this Entourage PR and 8K, they have completely tied the hands imo of both the sec and the shorts. The SEC has said (as i understand it behind closed doors) that if efforts are made to pull certs or reveal valuation to create a squeeze, the sec will come down on them. But nobody ever said Entourage was forbidden to reveal a dividend ratio (that would be required to properly determine disbursement) or reveal the valuation of assets they just acquired. And George Burns pointed out that by their very nature of Entourage as a foreign issuer, the SEC can't do anything about it. So basically, CMKX sticks it to their two enemies in one fell swoop:
1) To the SEC -- we WANT you to revoke us. c'mon. go ahead. REVOKE US. Do it. I triple dog dare you. They even wrote "effective immediately" in their PR. Because if they revoke us, there can be NO COVER on the open market any longer and cmkx has a dozen options at that point to address moving forward for REAL shareholder value. And then we are d**n well free to release all the valuation and OS information we want to.
2) To the shorts -- c'mon boys. SETTLE this d**n thing. It will be easier on ALL of us if you'd stop being the priicks you are and just settle this. Yes, it will be costly, but let's get it over with. So to induce you to do so, we are "negotiating" with Entourage which includes the threat of very valuable information to be released on the market that will CRUSH you if you let it. So, come to the table before it gets released and miraculously, this Entourage deal will "fall through" (thus all the language about it being negotiated and unsure by the October 28th as well as all the default and reversion points). Fail to come to the table and either a) the SEC will have revoked you (that's THEIR call), or b) we'll release all the info you know we have and you are STUCK through Entourage, a foreign entity that will raze your hedge fund house right down to the earth's core.
Yes, I believe this has been set up so that the SEC is in a bind and the shorts are in a bind, and they are all going to have to come talk to cmkx to make this headache go away. Because if they don't, the hedge funds know they are done and the SEC/DTCC will be exposed outright. So, I think the hammer is "Come talk to us. You have until the 28th. In the mean time, we will continue to provide you with increasingly painful incentives." I look for more news before the 28th to "motivate" certain stubborn parties.
Naturally, this is all guesswork and I have no freakin' idea what is actually happened. But it's what makes the most sense to me since I still believe the following:
1. Maheu didn't do this for the money. In fact, he's now waived all payments. 2. Maheu's business Global Intelligence Network has the background and expertise to coordinate something at this level. 3. FALC is for real, and I don't think many can effectively deny that at this point. 4. There are now over a dozen entities continuing to be associated with cmkx. 5. Why are billions of cmkx still getting bought if we have ASKED for revocation? 6. Why did Ameritrade and Schwab go to quad 4s and try to "protect" their clients? 7.-100. There are dozens more compelling, logical points that do not add up to a scam and instead add up to a carefully coordinated plan (albeit horribly frustrating).
By the way, today's ECPN PR was pretty bold and pretty significant IMO.
When it's all said and done I expect the following companies to come under one umbrella: Entourage, Forest Gate, GEMM, USCA, SGGM, Carina, Shane, Consolidated Pine, El Capitan, and quite a few others.
Will it happen under CIM? Who knows. I think so, mainly because I believe CIM will be the vehicle in which long-term shareholders will be rewarded above and beyond just general cmkx shareholders. I think there will be many more juniors joining the fray, and an outside chance of Shore Gold/Kensington being involved. The real kicker will be if there is a major miner backing all of this. And let's not forget that Shatzko and Fipke have a history that includes a prior JV.
Naturally, CMKX has raised more questions than ever before with this week's information. But I believe the fact that we have flipped everything on it head by ASKING to be revoked, is the final step toward resolution. Why did we suddenly just ask for that? Why go through the hearing? Why go through the past 4 months? Why fight this tooth and nail and then suddenly say "nah, go ahead and revoke us. we give up." The winds of change are about us and the next several weeks should be fascinating. First and goal. Maheu and UC just have to punch it into the end zone, and the shorts and sec are on their heels, tired, panting, disoriented and without a coach. Punch it in and let's win this comeback of the century.
Posted by stockster5 on :
OMG Legal.... you are a paid professional pumper for UC and well paid, of this I have absolutely no doubt.
RIC … Look back middle of 04’ when SGGM jumped to a dollar for a week…. see anything familiar ?? In the filings…. yea, almost the exact PR’s and forms. UC and company are copying the pump & dump just like sggm move… This is incredible arrogance and kick in the face of any investor with a brain. Un – frikken- believable
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Next they'll be telling us it's all a matter of national security, and they struck Oil in Iraq when they were drilling for Diamonds in Canada..
Posted by g-invest on :
Wow, I can't believe people still think the PPS is low due to shorting. It's DILUTION.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: OMG Legal.... you are a paid professional pumper for UC and well paid, of this I have absolutely no doubt.
RIC … Look back middle of 04’ when SGGM jumped to a dollar for a week…. see anything familiar ?? In the filings…. yea, almost the exact PR’s and forms. UC and company are copying the pump & dump just like sggm move… This is incredible arrogance and kick in the face of any investor with a brain. Un – frikken- believable
LOL stockster. If I were a paid pumper, why would I waste time on this thread? To try and influence the 10 people who visit it regularly? LOL What an imagination.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Oh please, any penny investor with a computer uses any informational means they can find, including FORUMS, so many many people pass through just to read and you KNOW this. Your little mind games don't fool me. Why else would YOU stick around. I believe I recongize your writting style on many boards.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Legal, your actions on this board makes me believe you are a personal pumper for cmkm. What would the reasons be for you to keep hinting at secrets and hidden plays… the psychology behind that is to get people involved, in this case with an illegal scam in anybody’s book. Thus making YOU a obvious pumper. If this were not the case, you really would not waste your time here. YOU have a monetary interest in bringing investors into your client of the month. No one can stop you at this level I don’t think, but someday you will get your just reward.
S5
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: Legal, your actions on this board makes me believe you are a personal pumper for cmkm. What would the reasons be for you to keep hinting at secrets and hidden plays… the psychology behind that is to get people involved, in this case with an illegal scam in anybody’s book. Thus making YOU a obvious pumper. If this were not the case, you really would not waste your time here. YOU have a monetary interest in bringing investors into your client of the month. No one can stop you at this level I don’t think, but someday you will get your just reward.
S5
Stockster, attacking me personally accomplishes nothing. If you want to dispute what I say, bring facts and DD to rebut.
Those who have been around a little longer than four months, know my motivations because I have posted them and backed them up.
So the old timers have earned the right to criticize me, but you need to stick around a little longer, quietly, and learn.
I realize that you think that you can be accepted here by the "Merry Men" by simply attacking me personally, but even they have "standards" for membership, and you sir have failed to reach that level.
So if you are going to attack me as a "pumper" please bring back some good DD. And yes you are right about one thing. My posting style and format is very much like noahltl's on the other boards. LOL
Posted by Ric on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Geeze you smoke some good weed legal.
If you really believe that you need to be locked up in a asylum
Is zeninvestor32 one of the dealers?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Zen was an early "guru" and very pro-CMKX. Then he went to the dark side for several months. Now he has re-emerged as very pro-CMKX again.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Zen was an early "guru" and very pro-CMKX. Then he went to the dark side for several months. Now he has re-emerged as very pro-CMKX again.
Translation: He was given a chitload of CMKX shares in the early days. When his following started to dwindle, he was cut off. Now he's being handed some of those Entourage private placement shares.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Having a "sunny" day UP,? LOL
Posted by Ric on :
This "The SEC will not stop trading because of shorts" is getting old.
They have said this over and over.
First it was "They will never have a hearing" Then it was "They will never revoke us"
Now its "They will not stop trading"
These criminal pumpers haven't been right yet, why would anyone with an once of common sense think they would be right now?
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Having a "sunny" day UP,? LOL
Not really, cloudy and rain off and on here.
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "As a result of health concerns, Mr. Casavant intends to resign as the sole officer and director.... --------------- I wonder how many death threats he has been getting.
Wallace if you did your DD, you would find that Wesley Casavant, his son, holds a major position in ETGMF, and has since Jan 05. What would you think that is all about if not leaving the Casavant Family in control. Many other interesting names on this form. And this maneuver has been planned since well before the DTCC action was initiated.
Since you seem to have trouble with this DD thing, and since I am feeling charitable towards the misguided today, let me help.
Isn't Wesley like 22 years old? LOL..... and he bought those shares with dirty CMKX money.... nice.
Legal, you are such an idiot....
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: how about they let frizzy in with the hope it stops lawsuits???? how about ameritrade buying of shares was changing common shares to certs at the request of clients??? ameritrade is 1 of the biggest online brokers going. if you are correct the fact they only bought under 2 billion shares is not good for a 1 trillion short idea. thats not counting all the shares sold back into the market by ppl that saw the handwriting on the wall in the last few months.
So they would let Frizzell witness the screwing of shareholders that is being predicted here, to avoid lawsuits???
Ameritrade bought 180 billion and only surrendered about 30 billion. What is unique is that they went around the DTCC to accomplish it. Can you show another major broker that did this? AMTD didn't trust the DTCC so they went around them to cover their position.
Frizzy made plenty of money with his webiste and BS representation.....
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: This "The SEC will not stop trading because of shorts" is getting old.
They have said this over and over.
First it was "They will never have a hearing" Then it was "They will never revoke us"
Now its "They will not stop trading"
These criminal pumpers haven't been right yet, why would anyone with an once of common sense think they would be right now?
Oh ric, some of the pumpers have been right about so many things.
One most important thing is that we are still trading. After telling the SEC go ahead and revoke us if you want. I guess they don't want. LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
And USCA still trading after so many here said they were going down last winter.
And not just trading, trading up 30% at the moment
Posted by legaleagle on :
And Frizzell, the OG that was going to class action the company, now working hand in hand with them.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Can any one of the negs here point out anything that they have predicted that has actually come true.
To FULL fruition?
Posted by santacruzblur on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:Originally posted by stockster5: Legal, your actions on this board makes me believe you are a personal pumper for cmkm. What would the reasons be for you to keep hinting at secrets and hidden plays… the psychology behind that is to get people involved, in this case with an illegal scam in anybody’s book. Thus making YOU a obvious pumper. If this were not the case, you really would not waste your time here. YOU have a monetary interest in bringing investors into your client of the month. No one can stop you at this level I don’t think, but someday you will get your just reward.
S5
Stockster, attacking me personally accomplishes nothing. If you want to dispute what I say, bring facts and DD to rebut.
Those who have been around a little longer than four months, know my motivations because I have posted them and backed them up.
So the old timers have earned the right to criticize me, but you need to stick around a little longer, quietly, and learn.
I realize that you think that you can be accepted here by the "Merry Men" by simply attacking me personally, but even they have "standards" for membership, and you sir have failed to reach that level.
So if you are going to attack me as a "pumper" please bring back some good DD. And yes you are right about one thing. My posting style and format is very much like noahltl's on the other boards. LOL
Facts and DD??? Legal, are you kidding??? When have you brought us any facts? This whole thing is a joke.....
Posted by legaleagle on :
And SGGM:
Facing probable revocation
Now trading up 50%
Posted by legaleagle on :
If the negs won't admit anything else,
You have to admit that CMKX is unlike anything you have ever seen before.
Posted by Ric on :
Thats what I mean legal, How could you ever have been in law enforcement and not under stand anything about the legal system?
Even Frizzell stated it in his update. They official letter by CMKX is sent to the SEC lawyers. It will go to the commission and put it on there docket. (They have more to worry about then stopping everything for CMKX) Then the Commission will review the request and make a decision and then it has to be sent back to the SEC for a Final Order to be drawn up. Then they will issue this order and CMKX will stop trading.
Even Frizzell said this could take more then a month to happen. I have a hard time believing you don't understand anything with the legal system.
Posted by legaleagle on :
And more confusion than in any other stock:
And where there is confusion, their is opportunity.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Can any one of the negs here point out anything that they have predicted that has actually come true.
To FULL fruition?
Hey how are the car races going? Seen any diamonds on the track lately?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Thats what I mean legal, How could you ever have been in law enforcement and not under stand anything about the legal system?
Even Frizzell stated it in his update. They official letter by CMKX is sent to the SEC lawyers. It will go to the commission and put it on there docket. (They have more to worry about then stopping everything for CMKX) Then the Commission will review the request and make a decision and then it has to be sent back to the SEC for a Final Order to be drawn up. Then they will issue this order and CMKX will stop trading.
Even Frizzell said this could take more then a month to happen. I have a hard time believing you don't understand anything with the legal system.
So apparently they see no severe damage being done to shareholders or urgency to stop billions of share trades per day.
Posted by legaleagle on :
zeninvestor32 Diamond Guru Emeritus
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Joined: May 2005 Posts: 655 Meet Our New Chairman « Thread Started on Today at 10:46am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This point is well worth reiterating. Now that it appears cmkx will no longer exist and Entourage will hold cmkx's claims, essentially our new Chairman of the Board will be Paul Shatzko. Say hello to Paul. And say hello to FINALLY getting a board member with real mining experience. I am harping on this but for a REASON -- Shatzko engineered major deals with DeBeers and Fipke. We FINALLY have a person running cmkx that knows what the helll he is doing with respect to mining. Personally, I believe he has been running cmkx all along anyway with respect to mining, but now the time has come to reveal Entourage as the holder of cmkx claims and he can formally take the reigns. Maheu did what he needed to with respect to corporate share structure (and that will be revealed in due time imo) but now the reigns are handed over to someone with true mining experience. And I will not be surprised to see further additions/substitutions to Entourage's board that will reflect where we are going. Other additions that could be interesting would be Rick Kusmirski, Rick Walker, Bill Jarvis and others. Only a few seem to appreciate this but it is true -- we now have a legitimate, successful, experienced mining leader at our helm (well, technically after the 28th). This is significant. Very significant. Bashers have taunted us for years about management incompetence. UC and Maheu have stepped aside and in their place is someone who has already cut deals with the top diamond mining entities in the world.
By the way, I have said that USCA was only investigated not charged. Their investigation is what led to CMKX being found out. And if after a year they haven't filed then the SEC will go after USCA for not filing. But they can't do that until they have not filed for more then a 12 month period.
And as far as SGGM is concerned they are on the docket to since they didn't appeal. When the docket date comes and the comission rules it will be sent for final order and stop trading. It doesn't happen over night.
As far as the PPS, as long as there are stupid people willing to by a shell company that is revoked then the MM's could care less what the price is as long as they are making money.
It is like a bankrupt company that the share price is still high and runs right before they discontinue shares. Whether you want to admit it, it happens this way.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
Why is cmkx so great? 800 billion shares and 2 specks of diamond dust? If there is so much wealth up there, why isn't cmkx up there tearing the ground apart to find it?
Posted by Ric on :
Hey legal did bring us facts. He proved that the Casavant family and Koch frontloaded Entourage so UC could give them the cult and run a new scam.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
quote:Originally posted by Ric: Hey legal did bring us facts. He proved that the Casavant family and Koch frontloaded Entourage so UC could give them the cult and run a new scam.
I have enough headaches with on company holding 44 bil shares o/s, let alone one with 800 billion shares o/s. And nothing to do, but sponsor race cars.
Posted by Ric on :
From Frizzell's update:
Withdrawal of Appeal
You now know the company has filed a request with the SEC to withdraw its appeal of Judge Murray’s decision to revoke the registration of CMKX securities. There was very little discussion of this course of action at this Board Meeting. The Motion to Withdraw the Petition For Review was prepared before the Board Meeting. My concern is not with why the appeal has been dropped. The Motion has been filed. I expect the SEC to adopt the ruling of Judge Murray in a finality order. I do not know how long it will take the SEC to act. Since the briefings by both parties have been done on the appeal (except for the filing of the company’s final response), the SEC may decide to issue a formal written opinion on the briefs. This occurs when the briefs raise an issue that merits a written decision by the SEC. This decision will be made by the office of general counsel to the SEC. The SEC has special attorneys that handle decisions once briefs have been filed following an administrative ruling. (These are attorneys that work in a separate division from the office of enforcement – Leslie Hakala’s office) When will we know???? I have no idea. I did a little research and it appears this is not a common thing for someone to withdraw their Petition For Review once review has been granted. A decision could come tomorrow or it could come months from now. The next question is the obvious one. Will trading be halted? If so, when will it be halted. My answer is the same. I do not know. When a finality order comes down, it will be sent to the market. No trading can then occur through the exchanges. Till all of the above happens, I assume trading will continue.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Legal, your idea of personal and mine are very different. I made comments on your conduct on this board. I did not make any reference to your lifestyle, place you live, or your family and who you eat lunch with away from this board. All I know is what you type. And you type suggestive and misleading information that YOU don't back up. I'm calling you what I see as obvious PUMP type conduct, it's right here in black and white, what's to DD? And I'm not trying to impress anyone on this or any other board. As far as I know, this is a public forum and I would only be banned by a moderator. If that's you, then go ahead and ban me. You seem very comfortable in humiliating other posters at other times without thinking once about that. And, oh by the way... I've been reading this forum well before your date of register. Thanks for your input
Posted by ed19363 on :
I have a question not having anything to do with CMKX. One of my stocks has added an "E" to the end of it's symbol, e.g. CMKX becomes CMKXE. Does this have any significance??????
Posted by Numa on :
This is how the cult ends This is how the mining ends This is how CMKX ends Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Posted by Ric on :
Yes, it means they haven't filed there financials. If financials are not filed in two straight quarters then a E is added in the 5th place to show potential shareholders that this company has not filed. This would be in CMKX's case since the refiled form 15 requiring them to file. Its has been past 2 quarters since that date.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Thank you, Ric.
Posted by bill1352 on :
up 30% from where legal??? what was the pps last summer verses today?...not up 30% from last summer. i dont remember anyone here saying USCA will stop trading. they never went to court nor did the SEC ask for USCA to be revoked. only ones revoked are cmkx & sggm, both of which quit reporting. by the way refresh my memory, what have the cult pumpers been correct about? the fact that cmkx is still trading has been stated by the merry men a number of times, it takes a while for due process. by next week it won't be trading. from the form 15 it should be obvious the SEC doesn't pay much attention to filings, which is sort of understandable. 500 to 600 filings a day, some days more. a revoked, awaiting appeal company filing would not be at the top of the reading list.
so enlighten us, what have the pumpers been correct about??? i can't think of 1 thing i've heard in the last 2 yrs that has proven true.
Posted by bill1352 on :
by the way...i see entourage lost a dime today...i'd call that a very short run. but then the cult has all its money in cmkx, not entourage. i guess they are just waiting for the cmkx cash flow to buy entourage...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
zeninvestor32 Diamond Guru Emeritus
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Joined: May 2005 Posts: 655 Meet Our New Chairman « Thread Started on Today at 10:46am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This point is well worth reiterating. Now that it appears cmkx will no longer exist and Entourage will hold cmkx's claims, essentially our new Chairman of the Board will be Paul Shatzko. Say hello to Paul. And say hello to FINALLY getting a board member with real mining experience. I am harping on this but for a REASON -- Shatzko engineered major deals with DeBeers and Fipke. We FINALLY have a person running cmkx that knows what the helll he is doing with respect to mining...........
i'm guessing this guy still thinks santa comes down his chimney & looks for easter eggs the easter bunny left. did he not read the cmkx is shutting down part of the 8K??? as in gathering all its valuables & dividing them up & closing the doors. UC isn't even part of the group doing that. but then if frizzy has any honor he will be asking about a certain gem purchase, about those loans the company made & when will they be paid back, the billions of shares given out & getting what money can be gotten back, the missing GEMM shares. the SGGM shares are worthless as they will be finalized soon. frizzy should be asking about the restricted shares given out & making sure we don't have to pay to trade them. all things i bet mahoo knows nothing about & UC doesn't want to hear about. you want to see which side of the fence frizzy's on, this dividing up process will tell the story.
Posted by Upside on :
Here's an interesting tidbit on the new hero Mr. Shatzko:
Does this story sound familiar? By the way, the firm that put this piece out is another paid pumping site. They were given 200,000 shares for this article.
Posted by Upside on :
These two and Entourage as well? Wonder how many more there are? This guy's going to have diamonds coming out of his arse.
Posted by permanentjaun on :
ric you have a pm - Matt
Posted by bill1352 on :
Up, i've said it before, the biggest shame in all this is the fact that those cmkx claims very well could have a mine or 2 on them. but UC was so interested in selling shares he never looked for diamonds. the races & the slot machines meant more. had he even kept books & the o/s was a few billion it might have paid out. now all those ppl that put thousands into cmkx will get maybe 74 per million shares & need entourage to hit huge numbers to break even. if saomebody owns 50 million shares of cmkx & paid an average of .0003 they spent $15,000.00 & will get about 3700 shares of entourage. it will need to hit $4.05 to break even. this is a company in the hole, needs cash to fullfill the claim obligations & money to explore & follow the differant stages to get to a point they can give the claims an honest value. that will take a lot of shares diluting the stock.
Posted by stockster5 on :
Bill, it is cmkm by another name. And Ed, on the question of "e". What Ric said, but it's basically a heads up for investors as well, but it seems alot of penny companies file late as a matter of recourse in doing daily business. 'E' isn't relied on as a solid indicator of the company in general. Now the 'Q' is a good indicator... BANKRUPTCY or RECEIVERSHIP. Not a sure profit buy at the time. Buuut, it is said if you can time a company coming out of cptr. 11 or whatever, it may be profitable. But what the hell, people are still trading bankrupt companies all the time. S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
ed19363... a nice site is the OTCBB.com., if you haven't already been there. On the upper left side of otcbb page, select 'otc symbol directory' button. On next page, put A or any letter in the search criteria field and click search. When a bunch of ticker symbols pop up, look for one with the 'Q' at the end of the ticker symbol. If you use one you find and go to pinksheets.com and enter the ticker in the search field there, you'll see a nice little warning when that company's info comes up. It's just alot faster on pinksheets than reading though all the sec's that otcbb will list. Happy hunting. I've made a few bucks looking for emerging sub-pennies. Gee, have I impressed anyone yet?? S5
Posted by stockster5 on :
Come to think of it, with the new bankruptcy laws so incredibly in favor of the credit companies, no one knows how thats going to play out yet, so stuff may change. S5
Posted by Otttoman on :
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is ready to give up the ghost. The Company declared “No Mas” this week, abandoning its fight against the Securities and Exchange Commission and asking an Administrative Law Judge to revoke registration of all CMKM securities “immediately.” CMKM’s public act is done. The Company, which previously has kept its financial status a closely guarded secret, now concedes that it lacks money to operate.
CMKM’s ignominious end has management running for the door. Robert Maheu, the former Howard Hughes aide who joined CMKM Board of Directors earlier this year, has resigned – apparently willing to walk away from any money still owed to him by the Company. CMKM Diamonds, Inc. – Do New Directors Mean a New Direction? Maheu, who purportedly was brought aboard to bring CMKM into compliance with federal securities laws – and perhaps avoid the inevitable revocation of registration - demonstrated little knowledge of CMKM’s history or operations when he testified in the SEC proceedings.
Maheu, who joined the Company with considerable fanfare in January 2005, departed quietly on October 10. Soon, he will be followed by Urban Casavant, the Company’s sole remaining director and officer, who says he plans to resign for unspecified “health concerns.”
CMKM leaves in its wake a host of unfulfilled promises. The Company has been scrambling to dispose of assets, hastened by its default on these key agreements:
• CMKM agreed to spend $500,000 on exploration of certain property at Hachet Lake in Canada under the terms of an October 23, 2004 agreement with United Carina Resources Corp. CMKM failed to make required payments because it lacked necessary funds; • Pursuant to the terms of an agreement with 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd., CMKM was required to provide necessary capital for the maintenance of claims in the Smeaton Forte a la Corne area of Saskatchewan, Canada, as well as drilling and exploration expenses. CMKM defaulted on the agreement because it lacked funds to meet these obligations. • CMKM also defaulted on two separate agreements with Nevada Minerals, Inc. The Company had agreed to provide funding for maintenance, drilling and exploration of property at Forte Diamond in Saskatchewan, Canada. It was unable to do so because it lacked funds. CMKM also failed to meet its obligations to Nevada Minerals regarding “the American Shaft” project in Ecuador.
According to a Form 8-K filed by CMKM on October 24, 2005, the Company has now transferred its remaining rights and obligations under these various agreements to yet another obscure Canadian mining company, Entourage Mining Ltd. (OTCBB: ETGMF). On October 20, 2005, CMKM assigned its 50% interest in United Carina Resources’ Hatchet Lake claims; its 36% interest in the Forte Diamond property; and its portion of the Forte a La Corne claims, to Entourage. In exchange, CMKM will receive 55 million shares of Entourage stock.
CMKM says that it plans to distribute the Entourage shares to existing CMKM shareholders – presumably including Casavant. Considering the number of CMKM shares presently outstanding – more than 700 billion shares as of March 2005, according to the Company – CMKM’s public shareholders can expect to receive an infinitesimal interest in Entourage. In any event, the deal will collapse unless Entourage raises a minimum of $1,050,000 in equity financing by October 28, 2005.
CMKM says that a task force consisting of Mr. Maheu and two attorneys who have been involved with the pending SEC litigation – Bill Frizell and Donald Stocklein – will assist with the distribution of the Entourage shares to CMKM’s shareholders.
And what of Entourage? The Canadian company is based in Vancouver, Canada and, like CMKM, has no assets. What do investors know about Entourage and what are the prospects for that Company? That is another story for another day.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Stockster, thanks for the info. The company in question posted its financials Monday, showing some pretty good numbers, so I imagine that "E" will disappear quickly. In case anybody cares (and this is NOT a recommendation), the stock is NVAC (now NVACE).
Posted by bill1352 on :
CMKM says that it plans to distribute the Entourage shares to existing CMKM shareholders – presumably including Casavant. Considering the number of CMKM shares presently outstanding – more than 700 billion shares as of March 2005, according to the Company – CMKM’s public shareholders can expect to receive an infinitesimal interest in Entourage. In any event, the deal will collapse unless Entourage raises a minimum of $1,050,000 in equity financing by October 28, 2005...........
would that be 2 days from today????...lol 703.5 billion shares sold by cmkx at .0002 (we know huge amounts went for more) equals $140,700,000.00. they need about $5 million to keep the claims. they got another $10 million from SGGM. they are in default on everything meaning it has been a while since they paid anything. forget all the other bullchit about cmkx, this 1 fact, not made up by either side, carves the scam label on the cmkx gravestone. they only spent $4 million on the race car & that money alone could keep the claims. $36 million in the hole, default on all the claims & over $160 million of income in about 3 yrs. if that isn't a scam, Enron was a godsend to its shareholders.
Posted by nrthroader on :
What the? .0008?
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Can any one of the negs here point out anything that they have predicted that has actually come true.
To FULL fruition?
Still ain't worth a damn.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
UC must have hurt his back on the way into the bank. Damn heavy money sacks will do it to you every time.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
Does anybody know what I can do with my cmkm spinoff divdidend shares? I also have some Juania mining and us/canadian minerals.
Posted by DIGDOUGH on :
quote:Originally posted by Otttoman: For what it's worth:
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is ready to give up the ghost. The Company declared “No Mas” this week, abandoning its fight against the Securities and Exchange Commission and asking an Administrative Law Judge to revoke registration of all CMKM securities “immediately.” CMKM’s public act is done. The Company, which previously has kept its financial status a closely guarded secret, now concedes that it lacks money to operate.
CMKM’s ignominious end has management running for the door. Robert Maheu, the former Howard Hughes aide who joined CMKM Board of Directors earlier this year, has resigned – apparently willing to walk away from any money still owed to him by the Company. CMKM Diamonds, Inc. – Do New Directors Mean a New Direction? Maheu, who purportedly was brought aboard to bring CMKM into compliance with federal securities laws – and perhaps avoid the inevitable revocation of registration - demonstrated little knowledge of CMKM’s history or operations when he testified in the SEC proceedings.
Maheu, who joined the Company with considerable fanfare in January 2005, departed quietly on October 10. Soon, he will be followed by Urban Casavant, the Company’s sole remaining director and officer, who says he plans to resign for unspecified “health concerns.”
CMKM leaves in its wake a host of unfulfilled promises. The Company has been scrambling to dispose of assets, hastened by its default on these key agreements:
• CMKM agreed to spend $500,000 on exploration of certain property at Hachet Lake in Canada under the terms of an October 23, 2004 agreement with United Carina Resources Corp. CMKM failed to make required payments because it lacked necessary funds; • Pursuant to the terms of an agreement with 101047025 Saskatchewan Ltd., CMKM was required to provide necessary capital for the maintenance of claims in the Smeaton Forte a la Corne area of Saskatchewan, Canada, as well as drilling and exploration expenses. CMKM defaulted on the agreement because it lacked funds to meet these obligations. • CMKM also defaulted on two separate agreements with Nevada Minerals, Inc. The Company had agreed to provide funding for maintenance, drilling and exploration of property at Forte Diamond in Saskatchewan, Canada. It was unable to do so because it lacked funds. CMKM also failed to meet its obligations to Nevada Minerals regarding “the American Shaft” project in Ecuador.
According to a Form 8-K filed by CMKM on October 24, 2005, the Company has now transferred its remaining rights and obligations under these various agreements to yet another obscure Canadian mining company, Entourage Mining Ltd. (OTCBB: ETGMF). On October 20, 2005, CMKM assigned its 50% interest in United Carina Resources’ Hatchet Lake claims; its 36% interest in the Forte Diamond property; and its portion of the Forte a La Corne claims, to Entourage. In exchange, CMKM will receive 55 million shares of Entourage stock.
CMKM says that it plans to distribute the Entourage shares to existing CMKM shareholders – presumably including Casavant. Considering the number of CMKM shares presently outstanding – more than 700 billion shares as of March 2005, according to the Company – CMKM’s public shareholders can expect to receive an infinitesimal interest in Entourage. In any event, the deal will collapse unless Entourage raises a minimum of $1,050,000 in equity financing by October 28, 2005.
CMKM says that a task force consisting of Mr. Maheu and two attorneys who have been involved with the pending SEC litigation – Bill Frizell and Donald Stocklein – will assist with the distribution of the Entourage shares to CMKM’s shareholders.
And what of Entourage? The Canadian company is based in Vancouver, Canada and, like CMKM, has no assets. What do investors know about Entourage and what are the prospects for that Company? That is another story for another day.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: Does anybody know what I can do with my cmkm spinoff divdidend shares? I also have some Juania mining and us/canadian minerals.
Yes, please transfer them to my account. Just to get the worthless POS out of your account. LOL
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Cooked GOOSE.....I wonder who got the Shed, because I got the SHAFT!
And I don't mean the Mine Shaft!
Posted by ed19363 on :
quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH:
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Can any one of the negs here point out anything that they have predicted that has actually come true.
To FULL fruition?
Still ain't worth a damn.
I can....it went below .0001, just as we predicted.
Posted by Doctoall on :
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Struggling mineral exploration company CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) has ended its fight to reverse a decision by the Securities and Exchange Commission to revoke the registration of its stock.
An administrative judge ruled in July that the SEC could deregister the shares of CMKM Diamonds because the company failed to file annual and quarterly financial reports with the SEC since 2002. The company had filed an appeal with the SEC.
CMKM Diamonds said in an SEC filing this week that "As a result of the recent events surrounding CMKM," it has withdrawn its petition for review and asked the SEC to institute the revocation.
CMKM Diamonds, a tiny Las Vegas company looking for diamonds in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, has been trading on the unregulated Pink Sheets market, where billions of CMKM Diamonds shares routinely change hands daily. CMKM Diamonds' elusive number of outstanding shares had been the topic of much speculation until earlier this year, when the company said it had some 703.5 billion shares issued and outstanding.
The SEC temporarily halted trading in CMKM Diamonds shares in March, citing questions about the "adequacy of publicly available information concerning, among other things, CMKM Diamonds' assets and liabilities, mining and other business activities, share structure and stock issuances, and corporate management."
The July 12 initial decision giving the SEC the go-ahead to deregister CMKM Diamonds stock included a laundry lists of problems with the company's financial records. It shows that CMKM failed to cooperate with an audit aiming to bring the company back into compliance with securities laws. "For example, (the accountant) was not provided documents that support CMKM Diamonds' issuance of more than $24 million in stock pursuant to an 'unknown agreement'. (The accountant) also is unsure whether CMKM Diamonds' purported acquisition of a jade collection, supposedly worth $56 million, has or has not been reversed," the order said.
The initial deregistration order also showed that CMKM continued to provide shareholders with inaccurate information even after it was first contacted by the SEC. For example, CMKM Diamonds said in March that it had relocated its executive offices to 5375 Procyon Street in Las Vegas when it fact that address was occupied only by a "hot rod" shop.
CMKM has had a cult-like following by small investors, some of whom post vociferously on several online bulletin boards. While some of these shareholders appear to have put their hopes in CMKM Diamonds' mining operations, others thought that they could profit from a short squeeze that would force investors who took bearish positions on the company's stock to cover their trades. A lawyer representing some of these shareholders attempted in vain to introduce alleged evidence that CMKM Diamonds had been the victim of illegal short selling, dubbed naked short selling, during the administrative hearing over the company's future this summer.
A spokesman for the SEC said Wednesday that the Commission received CMKM Diamonds' petition for deregistration but has yet to act on it.
CMKM Diamonds shares were recently trading at $0.0001, unchanged on a volume of more than 850 million shares.
CMKM Diamonds has been the subject of several Dow Jones Newswires "In The Money" columns that highlighted its huge daily trading volume and the lack of information surrounding the company and its mineral claims.
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