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Thanks Rich. I know very little about stocks so I can't provide much in the way technical info but i want to help any way I can. I don't even remember how I heard about this stock but remember how excited I was when I did. And I am just as excited now as I was then. The only problem I have with this stock is that I don't have enough of it. Have a great day all!
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Your welcome,and I feel the same way you do. I am as excited today as I was when I bought my first Q in Dec 04!!
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Welcome to our family Comitrmax. You got in at the right time, IMO. Everyone does what they can even if it is to just support each other. I like the poster idea. If I had 20 Q posters I could put them around town in one day. Anything I can do to help Q I will.
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See how the MM's pushed down the pps.! those large blocks traded on the Ask were traded back and forth between the MM's to make it look like someone was dumping Q. The MM's are trying to create fear and panic selling. This is why Frank wants off the Pinks and on a exchange!
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Cory Sher Joins Q Television Network Jul 26, 2005 10:30:00 AM Copyright Business Wire 2005 PALM SPRINGS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 26, 2005--
Q Television Network (OTCBB Other: QBID), the first 24/7 premium network for the gay and lesbian community, announced today that it has hired Cory Sher as Director of Affiliate Sales and Relations for Q Television Network's Western Division, which is based in Denver.
Cory Sher joins Q Television Network with over ten years of cable, sales and marketing experience. His cable career started at Jones International Networks, where he served as regional manager for start up networks Knowledge TV, and country music video channel Great American Country. Sher was promoted and served as Director of Distribution for both the Hallmark Network, and Lifetime Television.
He was born and raised in Denver, Colorado, where he currently lives. He received a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Colorado at Boulder. In addition to his professional career in cable television, Sher owned and operated his own franchise business in Beverly Hills, CA. He serves on several volunteer organizations, including Denver's Bridge Project, the Anti Defamation League, and Cable Positive, and he is an active member of CTAM.
"I am excited to join Q Television Network and be a part of the growth and success we are set to achieve," said Sher. "The network serves a niche within the GLBT community and offers unique marketing opportunities for cable operators."
"Q Television Network is quite fortunate to have someone with Cory's background and ability on its team," said Frank Olsen, President, CEO and Founder of Q Television Network. "We continue to bring on experienced individuals and build a top-notch management and sales team."
About Q Television:
This 24/7 premium television network is organized to create, develop and feature television programming for the gay and lesbian community, including live & interactive content every weeknight, plus sports, information and entertainment. While the company expects much of its subscriber base to be comprised of members of the gay and lesbian population, management also believes that quality programming about the gay and lesbian experience, designed to entertain, educate and inform, will attract many other segments of the viewing public. The company's programming is available on a subscription basis to those desiring to subscribe. The network is telecast 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. Providing distribution via satellite ensures availability of the network across the United States, including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. Q Television Network is the official network of Gay Games(R) VII. The network is also ad-supported. For further information on programming and subscriptions, please visit www.qtelevision.com.
Safe Harbor Statement
As a cautionary note to investors, certain matters discussed in this press release may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such matters involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially, including the following: changes in economic conditions; general competitive factors; the television network's ability to execute its business model and strategic plans; and the risks described from time to time in the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filings.
Source: Q Television Network
---------------------------------------------- Media Relations Contact: CWR & Partners LLP Ronnie Welch 508-222-4802 Ronnie@cwrpartners.com or Investor Contact: Equity Relations Inc. Richard Brown 617-314-7379 Staff@EquityRelations.com
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quote:Originally posted by FatherOfTwo: Does anybody here live near the QBID HQ in Palm Springs?
Reason being is that according to the state law of Washington (which is the state that Qbid is incorporated), a shareholder has the RIGHT to inspect the books and records of the company if 5 business days notice is given:
RCW 23B.16.020 Inspection of records by shareholders.
(1) A shareholder of a corporation is entitled to inspect and copy, during regular business hours at the corporation's principal office, any of the records of the corporation described in RCW 23B.16.010(5) if the shareholder gives the corporation notice of the shareholder's demand at least five business days before the date on which the shareholder wishes to inspect and copy.
(2) A shareholder of a corporation is entitled to inspect and copy, during regular business hours at a reasonable location specified by the corporation, any of the following records of the corporation if the shareholder meets the requirements of subsection (3) of this section and gives the corporation notice of the shareholder's demand at least five business days before the date on which the shareholder wishes to inspect and copy:
(a) Excerpts from minutes of any meeting of the board of directors, records of any action of a committee of the board of directors while exercising the authority of the board of directors, minutes of any meeting of the shareholders, and records of action taken by the shareholders or board of directors without a meeting, to the extent not subject to inspection under subsection (1) of this section;
(b) Accounting records of the corporation; and
(c) The record of shareholders.
(3) A shareholder may inspect and copy the records described in subsection (2) of this section only if:
(a) The shareholder's demand is made in good faith and for a proper purpose;
(b) The shareholder describes with reasonable particularity the shareholder's purpose and the records the shareholder desires to inspect; and
(c) The records are directly connected with the shareholder's purpose.
(4) The right of inspection granted by this section may not be abolished or limited by a corporation's articles of incorporation or bylaws.
(5) This section does not affect:
(a) The right of a shareholder to inspect records under RCW 23B.07.200 or, if the shareholder is in litigation with the corporation, to the same extent as any other litigant; or
(b) The power of a court, independently of this title, to compel the production of corporate records for examination.
(6) For purposes of this section, "shareholder" includes a beneficial owner whose shares are held in a voting trust or by a nominee on the beneficial owner's behalf.
FOT,
I think this is a fantastic idea. A sheet with others names to back it up to accompany your brilliant idea would be excellent support. COunt me in.
I have sent an email with a copy of the Washington State law giving QTN mgmt the opportunity to provide the information. We shall see if they respond!
I will post the response right here!
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I would like to take a moment of your valuable time and request that QTN produce a promotional poster. I, along with many others, would like to place these in various establishments around the country. We are also investors in QBID. We wish to promote QTN for investment reasons and we also desire to promote gay awareness in our communities.
We believe there are many dedicated investors willing to be part of a grass foots campaign to educate their communities about QTN. This affords another avenue available to QTN for promoting QTN in the Time Warner service area of Maine.
There are many dedicated investors and supporters that are looking for ways to help QTN. Please consider taking advantage of this resource.
Respectfully,
GO Discovery GO!v
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quote:Originally posted by CHIMAN34: Not sure if anyone knows, but please try to answer if you think you know. Now that TW in Maine is showing Q, what did Q have to show TW that they had for them to be aired over there? I know they are testing things out over there in Maine, but I know that the Q had to show something besides their programming. What else would they have to show? Thanks, Are you over 18. Have to check before we get into this. Actually, I'm not sure. 1 might be that they have reliable signal that they used to talk about a lot. 2.There may have been some subscriber demand that they might have wanted. 3.Proof that they are'nt going to be broke next week or up to a number of years. These are some of my guesses from stuff I picked up following this.
Dave
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: See how the MM's pushed down the pps.! those large blocks traded on the Ask were traded back and forth between the MM's to make it look like someone was dumping Q. The MM's are trying to create fear and panic selling. This is why Frank wants off the Pinks and on a exchange!
Jennifer I am still learning how stocks "really" get traded and have to admit I am appalled by some of the "fraud" that government regulators seem to accept as "legal".
I used to think trading stocks was pretty simple: Tell a broker what price you are willing to pay for a stock and let him find someone willing to sell for that price. If your bid matches someone's ask, the trade happens. The broker collects a fee for his services, and everyone is happy.
Apparently this is not the case, especially with pinks. If I understand the process correctly (and I admit I might not), MMs determine trading prices by only allowing trades that benefit them. Even if they have matching bids and asks, they can refuse to process the trade if they don't like the bid and ask price. If I am wrong about this, I welcome hearing from anyone who can help me understand the process correctly.
I accept the fact that we live in a buyer-beware world and prefer little government intervention in my life, but my "simple mind" also says that the playing field should be level and everyone should have the same chance to make money. However, it appears that MMs (and probably others) have a significant advantage over us.
Today's trading activity certainly seems odd, considering recent PRs and tonight's anniversary celebration, which might produce more significant PRs.
I am sure I will get replies "explaining" that MMs are pure of mind, heart and soul and that Q's current PPS is due to Frank's "failures", but I would prefer to have facts I can digest before I form my own opinion about MMs. Help, anyone?
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quote:Originally posted by comitrmax: Thanks Rich. I know very little about stocks so I can't provide much in the way technical info but i want to help any way I can. I don't even remember how I heard about this stock but remember how excited I was when I did. And I am just as excited now as I was then. The only problem I have with this stock is that I don't have enough of it. Have a great day all!
Com, If you have a way to get some, now is the time to do it.IMO.
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Richard responded and said that he did not have my answers. He was going to forward my email request to Rene. I will post any response that I get!
quote:Originally posted by FatherOfTwo:
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob:
quote:Originally posted by FatherOfTwo: Does anybody here live near the QBID HQ in Palm Springs?
Reason being is that according to the state law of Washington (which is the state that Qbid is incorporated), a shareholder has the RIGHT to inspect the books and records of the company if 5 business days notice is given:
RCW 23B.16.020 Inspection of records by shareholders.
(1) A shareholder of a corporation is entitled to inspect and copy, during regular business hours at the corporation's principal office, any of the records of the corporation described in RCW 23B.16.010(5) if the shareholder gives the corporation notice of the shareholder's demand at least five business days before the date on which the shareholder wishes to inspect and copy.
(2) A shareholder of a corporation is entitled to inspect and copy, during regular business hours at a reasonable location specified by the corporation, any of the following records of the corporation if the shareholder meets the requirements of subsection (3) of this section and gives the corporation notice of the shareholder's demand at least five business days before the date on which the shareholder wishes to inspect and copy:
(a) Excerpts from minutes of any meeting of the board of directors, records of any action of a committee of the board of directors while exercising the authority of the board of directors, minutes of any meeting of the shareholders, and records of action taken by the shareholders or board of directors without a meeting, to the extent not subject to inspection under subsection (1) of this section;
(b) Accounting records of the corporation; and
(c) The record of shareholders.
(3) A shareholder may inspect and copy the records described in subsection (2) of this section only if:
(a) The shareholder's demand is made in good faith and for a proper purpose;
(b) The shareholder describes with reasonable particularity the shareholder's purpose and the records the shareholder desires to inspect; and
(c) The records are directly connected with the shareholder's purpose.
(4) The right of inspection granted by this section may not be abolished or limited by a corporation's articles of incorporation or bylaws.
(5) This section does not affect:
(a) The right of a shareholder to inspect records under RCW 23B.07.200 or, if the shareholder is in litigation with the corporation, to the same extent as any other litigant; or
(b) The power of a court, independently of this title, to compel the production of corporate records for examination.
(6) For purposes of this section, "shareholder" includes a beneficial owner whose shares are held in a voting trust or by a nominee on the beneficial owner's behalf.
FOT,
I think this is a fantastic idea. A sheet with others names to back it up to accompany your brilliant idea would be excellent support. COunt me in.
I have sent an email with a copy of the Washington State law giving QTN mgmt the opportunity to provide the information. We shall see if they respond!
I will post the response right here!
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A seemingly great PR and then higher volume trading on the selling side, pushing the PPS lower. This is the result of a huge float, with shares used to pay for contracts and services.
The pattern is undeniable. It's not the MMs or the Berlin exchange.
Jennie, are you on the QBID share payroll?
dz
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: See how the MM's pushed down the pps.! those large blocks traded on the Ask were traded back and forth between the MM's to make it look like someone was dumping Q. The MM's are trying to create fear and panic selling. This is why Frank wants off the Pinks and on a exchange!
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FOT, I like what you are trying to do to get info from Q on the share structure etc. I live in Iowa so I can't go to Q Hdqtr. It would be nice if the shareholders could be back in the loop about whats going on internally.
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quote:Originally posted by denzen: This has been happening for over a year. A seemingly great PR and then higher volume trading on the selling side, pushing the PPS lower. This is the result of a huge float, with shares used to pay for contracts and services. The pattern is undeniable. It's not the MMs or the Berlin exchange. Jennie, are you on the QBID share payroll? dz
denzen Help me understand why you believe this. Any facts to back it up? If not, your opinion is okay but give me more details. When someone yells "fire" I like to know where it is before running.
And I hope you are just "kidding" with Jennifer. Feeling positive about a stock and expressing that opinion does not constitute dishonesty. I think you owe her an apology.
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Comitrmax I’ll try to give you my limited knowledge about the Pinks and MM’s It’s the Wild Wild West! With very little regulation and/or control, if any, by the SEC. The MM’s “talk” to each other by codes using buys and sells. Why would anyone trade 5000 shares at .0015? Their commission can be more than the share cost. It was a code. Someone here has published their codes and if you each the time and sales you can watch them “talk” and set up the movement they want. When Q becomes a fully reporting company and goes to an exchange, the SEC gets involved and this should come to an end. The MM’s bet is counter to yours, they make money by driving down the pps. This does afford us the opportunity to buy at these reduced levels I hope one of the good guys would read this because I’m not totally sure all this is right so don’t take this without verification. I’m just like you; I’m trying to learn as we go.
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1-bid and ask are comming up! 2- buys outnumber sells by 3 to 1!. things are not as they seem!. news is all good! conclusion: this stock is being manipulated and it cant last forever! GO QBID!
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Hi all, I am new to the Board. I value this board's D and D. Thought I would contribute. I emailed XM Sat Radio Customer Service about offering gay programming.
If you know of anyone with XM Sat Radio...maybe give them a nudge to call or email the programming department about carrying Q
I excerpted two seperate emails between myself and XM Sat Radio...
Message Body: Do you have any plans to offer Gay Programming... > >I know that Sirius offers this... > >I am specifically interested in >Qtelevision > >Qtelevision.com is their website... > >Please let me know if you are considering this programming. >
> >XM Subscriber: yes >Account Number: it is in the car..
Sirius Sat Radio does offer gay programming but, XM has not to my knowledge offered it,
Dear (DiceRoller),
Thank you for contacting XM Satellite Radio. We appreciate your questions and comments and apologize for the delayed response. Thank you for your questions and comments. In the future you can contact XM programming department directly at programming@xmradio.com. We have forwarded your suggestion on for you. Thank you for being a loyal listener and we look forward to many more years of providing you with our service. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please send us another email to listenercare@xmradio.com or contact a Listener Care Representative at 1-800-XM-RADIO (1-800-967-2346).
Our Listener Care Center's hours of operation are as follows: Monday - Saturday: 6 AM - 2 AM EST Sunday: 8 AM - 8 PM EST
Please continue to visit www.xmradio.com for updates to our programming and services.
Thank you, again, for contacting XM Satellite Radio.
Sincerely, Kathy Trujillo
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quote:Originally posted by Maestro232: He did give the evidence for his opinion: historical recurrance of said phenomenon.
Maestro Thanks for trying to speak for denzen, but I believe he is capable of responding for himself. And by the way, history explains what happened, not why.
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Oh Great Dizzy One! I paid for every share myself. I look beyond the pps to what the company is really doing. It’s that old actions speak louder than words thing. You may be one of the short er minded ones, but I look at the big picture and I like what I see. Mark Twain said:
“Opportunity knocks on every mans door but in all too many cases he is in a neighborhood saloon and does not hear her.”
I’ve heard her I’ve visited the taping of their shows I’ve talked to the CFO in his office for 2 hours To me it all adds up
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First of all I had been watching PRs and volume,W/ PPS drops for many months. Some of you that ask for verifiaction, only need to check dates of PRs and look at the corresponding volume spikes and most usually lower PPS.
Secondly, asking a question does not warrant an apology. What did I say that implied that Jenny was dishonest?
Working is not dishonest. Creating a bandwagon is not dishonest. Being creative is not dishonest. "We are a family." Can't we all be freinds?
There are wolves in sheeps clothing out there. Beware!
Spend your money as you will.
I will not waste my time here any more, at least not for awhile.
dz
quote:Originally posted by Bottomliner: Help me understand why you believe this. Any facts to back it up? If not, your opinion is okay but give me more details. When someone yells "fire" I like to know where it is before running.
And I hope you are just "kidding" with Jennifer. Feeling positive about a stock and expressing that opinion does not constitute dishonesty. I think you owe her an apology. [/QB]
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DIG Thanks for the advice. Hoping to get more next week. Kids just started football and cheerleading and need back to school clothes as well. Keep reminding myself of the rule "don't invest more than you can afford to lose" But my husband who knows less than I do about stocks and Q tells me we can't afford not to invest more.(in Q) So that's the plan. Are we really expecting news from this evenings shin dig?
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Definition of MMs for newbies. In two words. maggot mothers. Any questions?
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quote:Originally posted by Bottomliner: Anybody have L2s? Just traded at 16 after being 14-15 all morning. Wondering if we can see anything getting ready to happen.
quote:Originally posted by denzen: First of all I had been watching PRs and volume,W/ PPS drops for many months. Some of you that ask for verifiaction, only need to check dates of PRs and look at the corresponding volume spikes and most usually lower PPS. Secondly, asking a question does not warrant an apology. What did I say that implied that Jenny was dishonest. Working is not dishonest. Creating a bandwagon is not dishonest. Being creative is not dishonest. "We are a family." Can't we all be freinds. There are wolves in sheeps clothing out there. Beware! Spend your money as you will. I will not waste my time here any more, at least not for awhile. dz
dz First, thanks for responding to my questions. I understand what you believe has been happening, although I do not agree with you. But you explained your opinions well, so I appreciate that.
Second, I asked if you were "kidding" with Jennifer because I couldn't tell from your question. You are correct about the wolves, which is why I read every post with "suspicion" and thought your question might have sinister overtones.
If you truly feel this board is a waste of time, I won't try to convince you otherwise. But don't leave because I (or others) "challenge" your comments occasionally. Most of my true friends beat the crap out of me a lot for my opinions, but our friendship has endured for many years. We really are a "family" bound by love rather than blood.
Good luck to you whether you stay or not.
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WOW, WHAT A IMPACT THE BUYBACKS (ALL 3 OF THEM) ARE HAVING ON QBID AFTER FRANKIE BOY MOVES QBID TO 71-BILLION SHARES. GOSH FRANKIE THE FRAUDSTER, YOU EVEN "RETIRED" SHARES TO HELP WITH THE QBID SHAREHOLDER VALUE. ADD A GAZILLION HOUSEHOLDS, 50,000 HOTLINE MESSAGES, 150,000 INQUIRIES. GUARANTEED FINANCING FOR 5 YEARS AND IF THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH, SECURED A LOAN FOR $2-MILLION FOR 1ST YEAR BROADCAST. NOW ADD MAINE, THE GAY/LESBIAN CAPITAL OF THE WORLD TO THE MIX AND WOW. I SURELY CAN'T WAIT TO BE ONE OF THE FEW IN ALL 50-STATES THAT GIVE FEEDBACK TO FRANKIE THE FRAUDSTER ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE Q. GOSH, PLACES LIKE MONTANA, VERMONT, IDAHO ARE SURELY GOING TO IMPROVE THE IMPUT OF WHAT'S TO COME.
FRANKIE THE FRAUDSTER, I GOTTA TELL YA, THANK YOU. SEE, BACK IN 2000 ON YOUR FAILED LAUNCH, YOU TOLD US THAT WAS $7-MILLION DOLLARS DOWN THE DRAIN. FURTHER, YOU TOLD US THAT YOU REDUCED YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES TO $33,000/MONTH WHICH ADDED ANOTHER $1.5 MILLION (GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT YOU WERE SPENDING PRIOR TO YOUR "REDUCTION."
NOW YOUR SPENDING $800,000/MONTH WHICH MEANS ALMOST $10-MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE PAST YEAR.
IT IS SO NICE TO KNOW THAT THE INVISIBLE BANK OF NOWHERE HAS FORGOTTEN (DON'T WORRY I WONT TELL) ABOUT THE $7-MILLION IN 2000 AND THE CURRENT $10-MILLION FOR THE PAST YEAR AND ONGOING $800,000/MONTH.
THANK GOODNESS FOR YOUR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE NOT A LICK OF SENSE ABOUT BUSINESS AND COULDN'T EVEN OPEN A SIMPLY SUBWAY AND RUN IT ($125,000) OR SECURE A LOAN FOR THAT MATTER CAN SIT AND RA RA RA FOR SOME STOCK THAT DEFIES ALL BUSINESS SENSE ON OPERATION. GOSH, FRANKIE, WHERE WOULD YOU BE WITHOUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE.
quote:Originally posted by comitrmax: DIG Thanks for the advice. Hoping to get more next week. Kids just started football and cheerleading and need back to school clothes as well. Keep reminding myself of the rule "don't invest more than you can afford to lose" But my husband who knows less than I do about stocks and Q tells me we can't afford not to invest more.(in Q) So that's the plan. Are we really expecting news from this evenings shin dig?
We are anticipating something from the shindig. Most of the cable companies in the US including the largest ones that there are will be represented there. In my opinion everything points to some very great progress coming out of the event. If not tonight , then soon. I don't know when the next news will be, it is forthcoming.
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: Dizzy Please post the link with the info showing Frank dumping shares. Please backup your statements with proof.
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As you say, actions speak louder then words or the proof is in the pudding.
No need to apologize for the name calling. This was a red flag for me , that someone that seems as intelligent as you, would resort to something so childish, and so quickly. What are you afraid of?
The truth will set you free!
I was only trying to warn folks that it may be sometime before QBID's PPS will ever be what they hope.
Bye BYE.
dz
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Now, what does this tell us? Lots of people hoping to buy at 14, lots of people hoping to sell at 16. Sizable disagreement. Any opinions on what might happen next?
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