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well i thought it was time only reason i did it plus i thought the title and the person was fitting:D
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Relax you will be happy shortly. Trust me. this is going to be very exciting very shortly.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Ligge: Ok if they know what 53% (they would have to to reclassify them) is then they know what 100% is - so f888888ing tell us!!!!!
I asked this question in an email to Richard last week and got no response.
Sorry, I am just very p.o.ed that they throw this 53% number around like its common knowledge and then go run for cover when we ask for OS or audit information. Audit has been complete for months, it was even stated as such and was handed over to the lawyers. I figured the audit wasnt released because the lawyers told them to go do more buyback, which they immediately did do.. so why the secrecy now.
Dont take this as a bash, I am still a strong believer, just tired of feeling like I have been cornholed.
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They got couaght off guard on this one and have to give one last good shake to cover thier shorts. they want to cover this without loosing money if they can help it. we hot over a billion so tomorrow is going to bring in a whole new pile of investors looking to see what all the comotion is. you wait till tomorrows open and you are going to see this run.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Bearclaw: How are the MM's holding this down?..It should be running to .003 on that news. This should be the breakout everyone's been waiting for. If the mm's hold this down the Feds should shut down the damn SEC!!!!
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go and reread the pr again. no where did it say that he bought back 53%. god people if you want to talk stupid go ahead but you are smarter then this.
I am going to cover some of this later but for now im goint to catch up on the board before i post anything that i have to say on todays progress
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Clyde_Crashcup: If he bought back 53%, the results should have been reflected yesterday in the pps (IMO) I'm out with a small loss. Good luck to everyone. I'll get back in when I see movement. (I still think this one will take off but not sure when)
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you have yoru head on straight i agree with you 100%
Rod
quote:Originally posted by madmoney: 460 million traded so far about 430 million appear to be buys. MM`s covering short positions? if so they will hold it back as long as they can. when they are finnished we should see a slow steady rise in PPS. until then they will lower the bid / ask to shake out as many shares as they can. future PR`s should have a more positive effect on the price from here on. good luck everyone!
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But then what PT? Do you think we will make the move to a new level, or do you think it will pull right back down to this level towards the end of the day? Just curious as to what you and/or anyone else thought. I feel the least optimistic I have felt in over a year after today.
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Does somebody know how QTV could do an IPO, when the stock is already being publicly traded? MillerTime? anybody?
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Smartest thing you have said in months and you still look stupid.
whats it like to be like you?
do you realise it or are you in the honest opinion that you are smarter then everyone else?
hmmmmmm
I almost feel bad for you.
Almost
Rod
quote:Originally posted by roadrunnerv8383: over 650 million shares traded and its still at .0014, amazing you guys will be millionaires in no time with this stock. lol
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looks like its CLOBBERIN TIME! PT I see your making the rounds. I think if bashers were as smart as we're supposed to think they are, they would be so rich that they wouldn't be wasting there time bashing stocks. Thers a lot nicer places to be than on allstocks bulletin board.
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Everyone seems to forget the importance of the 6 Billion restricted shares and how this plays in our favor. Does anyone think for one minute that Frank is releasing these PRs for our benefit? No, we are merely the side audience. The target are the collateral owners.
If you think we are harrassing him about the price, imagine what they are doing. It is now probably cheaper for him to default than to repay the loan or financing. Believe me, he would be shooting himslef in the foot if he did that and I personally don't think he would ever do that, he would lose some voting interest in the company. That is going to make those restricted holders very nervous.
So you can also quit talking about a reverse split. The restricted share holders won't allow that either.
Everybody quit the panic. Can't stomach the action, then get out. There are bigger forces than the people on this board or any other board.
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OP, good points, well taken. Thats one reason I doubt that owners of the restricted shares would want to be selling them at these prices, they wouldn't be making anything. They were probably worth more when they recieved them. Possibly with a promise that they were going to be worth a lot more up the road. I agree they don't even want to hear that their share count is going to be r/sed right out from under them. IMO QUOTE]Originally posted by Optimus Prime: Everyone seems to forget the importance of the 6 Billion restricted shares and how this plays in our favor. Does anyone think for one minute that Frank is releasing these PRs for our benefit? No, we are merely the side audience. The target are the collateral owners.
If you think we are harrassing him about the price, imagine what they are doing. It is now probably cheaper for him to default than to repay the loan or financing. Believe me, he would be shooting himslef in the foot if he did that and I personally don't think he would ever do that, he would lose some voting interest in the company. That is going to make those restricted holders very nervous.
So you can also quit talking about a reverse split. The restricted share holders won't allow that either.
Everybody quit the panic. Can't stomach the action, then get out. There are bigger forces than the people on this board or any other board. [/QUOTE]
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"...But the process is demanding. Financing routes run the gamut from equity investment and subordinated debt combinations to asset lease-back plans, employee-funded stock buy-backs and even junk bonds. And if money is slow to come, competitors may attack the business, while other bidders appear, ready to steal the company out from under management. And then there are the shareholder lawsuits that can be set off by even the whiff of a conflict of interest.
But first, there is the challenge of finding the cash. If going public is an expensive proposition, retiring from the limelight isn't actually cheap, either. Some large companies have spent over $1 billion to go private, and even small to midsized companies can require hundreds of millions."
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Frank is back to talking shareholder interest again. I hope he means us and not only investment partners of course.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: go and reread the pr again. no where did it say that he bought back 53%. god people if you want to talk stupid go ahead but you are smarter then this.
I am going to cover some of this later but for now im goint to catch up on the board before i post anything that i have to say on todays progress
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Clyde_Crashcup: If he bought back 53%, the results should have been reflected yesterday in the pps (IMO) I'm out with a small loss. Good luck to everyone. I'll get back in when I see movement. (I still think this one will take off but not sure when)
And I thought I was perfect in every way. Leave it to Rod to keep us straight. (I know better. It was my darn fingers that ignored my brain.)
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Polo that was good thanks, It doesn't sound like going private is any simple task or even always possible. We can probably rule that out, after reading that.
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: After doing some digging it sounds like going private can get pretty ugly:
"...But the process is demanding. Financing routes run the gamut from equity investment and subordinated debt combinations to asset lease-back plans, employee-funded stock buy-backs and even junk bonds. And if money is slow to come, competitors may attack the business, while other bidders appear, ready to steal the company out from under management. And then there are the shareholder lawsuits that can be set off by even the whiff of a conflict of interest.
But first, there is the challenge of finding the cash. If going public is an expensive proposition, retiring from the limelight isn't actually cheap, either. Some large companies have spent over $1 billion to go private, and even small to midsized companies can require hundreds of millions."
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Just took this off the QBID education page on Geocities web site...Is this count close?
An announced buyback is completed in late December, 2005. Although the official number of shares bought back is not announced, it is speculated that at least 1 billion were bought back.
Therefore there are 3.465 billion in the float, 5.035 billion owned by Frank, and 6 billion restricted shares. We can assume Frank only wants to own 53% of the shares not including the restricted shares. Therefore he can also reduce his share count by 1.128 billion shares to 3.907 billion.
Thus the total, estimated, outstanding share count would be the 6 billion restricted + 3.907 billion of Franks shares + 3.465 billion in the float. Total = 13.372 billion shares outstanding.
After the loan is repaid and there is no need for collateral the 6 billion restricted shares can be destroyed. Future estimated outstanding share count is then 7.372 billion shares.
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Very nice bearclaw. I will continue to wish it is lower though.
quote:Originally posted by Bearclaw: Just took this off the QBID education page on Geocities web site...Is this count close?
An announced buyback is completed in late December, 2005. Although the official number of shares bought back is not announced, it is speculated that at least 1 billion were bought back.
Therefore there are 3.465 billion in the float, 5.035 billion owned by Frank, and 6 billion restricted shares. We can assume Frank only wants to own 53% of the shares not including the restricted shares. Therefore he can also reduce his share count by 1.128 billion shares to 3.907 billion.
Thus the total, estimated, outstanding share count would be the 6 billion restricted + 3.907 billion of Franks shares + 3.465 billion in the float. Total = 13.372 billion shares outstanding.
After the loan is repaid and there is no need for collateral the 6 billion restricted shares can be destroyed. Future estimated outstanding share count is then 7.372 billion shares.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: Relax you will be happy shortly. Trust me. this is going to be very exciting very shortly.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Ligge: Ok if they know what 53% (they would have to to reclassify them) is then they know what 100% is - so f888888ing tell us!!!!!
I asked this question in an email to Richard last week and got no response.
Sorry, I am just very p.o.ed that they throw this 53% number around like its common knowledge and then go run for cover when we ask for OS or audit information. Audit has been complete for months, it was even stated as such and was handed over to the lawyers. I figured the audit wasnt released because the lawyers told them to go do more buyback, which they immediately did do.. so why the secrecy now.
Dont take this as a bash, I am still a strong believer, just tired of feeling like I have been cornholed.
Ok ok ok... but only because I know you understand my frustration and only because you are one of the smalll minority here I actually think stays on top of things. I am still a firm believer in the potential, I am just tired of the cryptic messages. Posts: 482 | From: Arizona | Registered: Mar 2005
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We just had a major air disaster here in Toronto. Cnn is covering it.
what a mess
Rod
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Polo... This may sound nuts ...but...If the share count estimate is close then.... that means we traded about 18-20% of the available float. I think everyone who watched today will agree that the bulk of trading was shorting by the MM's. So my question is...Could Frank have caught them with their pants down and be screwing the MM's to the wall? He has been pissed off for a long time...Could the SEC have been watching today's trading/shorting?
The news and the volume should have at the very least doubled the PPS...I'm talking the bare minimum here...This announcement took 53% of the available shares off the table...It really should have busted past .01...Could Frank be cutting the legs off the MM's????
Just wondering if anyone else has been thinking along these lines of...Franks Revenge...
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: Very nice bearclaw. I will continue to wish it is lower though.
quote:Originally posted by Bearclaw: Just took this off the QBID education page on Geocities web site...Is this count close?
An announced buyback is completed in late December, 2005. Although the official number of shares bought back is not announced, it is speculated that at least 1 billion were bought back.
Therefore there are 3.465 billion in the float, 5.035 billion owned by Frank, and 6 billion restricted shares. We can assume Frank only wants to own 53% of the shares not including the restricted shares. Therefore he can also reduce his share count by 1.128 billion shares to 3.907 billion.
Thus the total, estimated, outstanding share count would be the 6 billion restricted + 3.907 billion of Franks shares + 3.465 billion in the float. Total = 13.372 billion shares outstanding.
After the loan is repaid and there is no need for collateral the 6 billion restricted shares can be destroyed. Future estimated outstanding share count is then 7.372 billion shares.
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I completely agree with you bearclaw. I was sure the news would run this close to .01. If your numbers are correct, what kind of pps are you looking for once Q is nation wide? Let's not forget Summer Redstone swore a gay network would be worth "a billion dollars right now," which was about 2 years ago I think. I'm thinking at least .13. Any thoughts?
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Polo... I don't know about nation wide. I'm talking about the PPS between now and Friday...Where are the MM's going to get what they need to cover the shorting?
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: I completely agree with you bearclaw. I was sure the news would run this close to .01. If your numbers are correct, what kind of pps are you looking for once Q is nation wide? Let's not forget Summer Redstone swore a gay network would be worth "a billion dollars right now," which was about 2 years ago I think. I'm thinking at least .13. Any thoughts?
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I am not sure that they can get it for the price they want it, but they can have mine for 3 bucks a share. lol. We will know alot more between now and Friday, as you just stated.
quote:Originally posted by Bearclaw: Polo... I don't know about nation wide. I'm talking about the PPS between now and Friday...Where are the MM's going to get what they need to cover the shorting?
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: I completely agree with you bearclaw. I was sure the news would run this close to .01. If your numbers are correct, what kind of pps are you looking for once Q is nation wide? Let's not forget Summer Redstone swore a gay network would be worth "a billion dollars right now," which was about 2 years ago I think. I'm thinking at least .13. Any thoughts?
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