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Unfortunately for the innocent investors, especially in the world of the Bulletin Board and Pink Sheet stocks, a simple cold call to a company about exploring the possibility of discussing the concept of possibly negotiating a working relationship at some time in the future can magically turn into a "strategic alliance" between the two companies in a press release. A grant application to the government which hasn't even been filed, can suddenly be deemed to be "close to approval". A non-existent and completely fabricated "buy" recommendation, supposedly issued by an established investment house, that was simply conjured up in the devious mind of a stock manipulator can suddenly show up in a press release with all the apparent credibility of a highly respected Merrill Lynch telecommunications analyst's recommendation on a NYSE company. (OK, bad choice for an analogy but you get the point).
Since press releases by companies are not subject to verification of accuracy or truthfulness by the services that distribute them, the investing public has no idea that any of them are anything but reliable and truthful information and only subject to the usual safe harbor provisions which say, "all this might never happen as stated". Sadly it doesn't say, "every word here could just as easily be a big fat lie intended only for the purpose of ripping off the investing public and enriching the promoters and insiders".
It is true that, companies that manipulate their stocks through false or misleading press releases can be, and often are, held accountable by the SEC but, unfortunately, this can often take several years to come to light and that is long after the proverbial horse has left the proverbial barn and all that remains is the pain of loss and the bad taste left in the investor's mouth from another betrayal of trust.
There are only a handful of groups that work to inform the public about scams and rip offs by public companies that use illegal or questionable tactics in promoting their stock. These tactics usually include the publishing of false or misleading press releases. -------------------------- LOL Upside!
quote:Originally posted by tradingpennys: Question: Do you trust Melvin?
tradingpennys: I'm not sure if it was me that you directed this post to, but I will answer it.
I like Melvin. I think he truly believes in what he says, though he may be misinformed or confused about facts. Although he may not be the best IR guy around, I don't think he would intentionally lie. He may, in his own way, shade facts to keep from disclosing sensitive information, but I do not believe he would intentionally lie to us. His enthusiasm and excitement seem to get the best of him and some take him way too seriously. I like enthusiasm and excitement.
It is my opinion that most stockholders are frustrated because we don't have answers as of yet, and most believe there is a reason for not having those answers. It is the very, very few that associate lack of information for mistrust. Those are two important and different issues. Just because the time frame dosen't coincide with the rumors or guestimates of some on these boards, doesn't indicate lying and mistrust.
There has been nothing that this company has done to warrant mistrust and I resent someone stating otherwise without facts. Some on this board mix fact with theory and present the total package as fact. Not good. The facts are all representative of a good company fighting to keep this business viable. Just because we don't know all the facts dosen't mean they misrepresent.
I trust this company which is why I invested in it. If I did not trust them, I would move on. I suggest others do the same.
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Noahltl wrote: Some mistrust comes from a lack of understanding Highwaychild wrote: Deuces and one-eyed-jacks are wild. Could all be one he$$ of a poker face U. C. has. Could be a bluff, could be a royal flush.But I'm all in, and I call. WorkAHolic wrote(edited): Lack of patience doesn't mean lack of trust. Everyone else seems just anxious for some good news. How can you say it conveys mistrust? Please don't speak for me or others. -------------------------------------------- Noahltl, it’s not a question of a “lack of understanding”. Understanding what is going on is what makes the problem obvious.
Child, whenever UC shows his face, especially at race tracks, he looks more and more like a con man to me, not a “poker face”. Bluff??? Sure, and the “flush” is you and others flushing your CMKX shs and dividends down the drain.
Work, lack of patience…anxious??? What is there about that whole CMKX operation, UC and others that does not convey mistrust? I speak neither for you nor for others. It is just apparent from posts that more and more of the CMKX diehards are seeing the light or at least having serious reservations.
I’d say you folks have a foul wind blowing and it’s not Jeanne, Ivan or anything natural…but IS man made! And, all three of you bought in to it…known as CMKX.
What kind of answers can any of you give me to the many questions being asked? “Rantings” (an obvious diversion)! “Deuces and one-eyed jacks are wild” (kid’s game and meaningless)! “Patience and anxious for good news” (hasn’t happened to date and probably never will)! Stock has been doing nothing but going down!!!!!! TELLING PERFORMANCE!!!!
"Noahltl, it’s not a question of a “lack of understanding”. Understanding what is going on is what makes the problem obvious."
Exactly Wallace, but it is your understanding, not ours. If you bring forward facts to go with your "understanding" then you may be able to get some of us to come over to your side. Your abstract posts do not convince anyone, it only takes up thread space. You try to use some unknown, unproven knowledge that you claim to have of Wall Street to support nothing other than opinion. Sorry, we need facts or we're not moving.
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Only a fool would keep a known fool in an IR position! It is too important an entry to the public and to financing opportunities.
If you haven't noticed some of the prior posts here about Melvin, let me repeat. Melving is kept in that position to justify a paycheck so that he can care for his sick wife. Beleive it or not, Urban is just that way.
Shortl after Glenn got involved, Melvin was gagged about anything except drilling, of which he has some expertise.
When the reverse merger is done, Vicky Curran is already being "prepped" for the job as IR for SGGM.
So why not give Melvin a break?
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noahltl, you have been literally beaten over the head with fact after fact. You just plain do not listen or chose to ignore them. You keep spinning round and round with the same old redundant material re CMKX. Don't you get the least bit dizzy with all the SPINNING? Seems that you did last night! LOL
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noahltl wrote: Melving is kept in that position to justify a paycheck so that he can care for his sick wife. Beleive it or not, Urban is just that way. ---------------------------------------- Was that information released in an "official company PR" or is it just another of your speculative spins re CMKX? Maybe you are an "insider" and UC has provided you with that information unbeknownst to anyone else? Are you now the official CMKX IR spokesman? Posts: 3607 | From: NJ - Outside Phila. | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: noahltl, you have been literally beaten over the head with fact after fact. You just plain do not listen or chose to ignore them. You keep spinning round and round with the same old redundant material re CMKX. Don't you get the least bit dizzy with all the SPINNING? Seems that you did last night! LOL
Hey Walace, let Noah and the rest of us spin. It's gonna be all over but the shouting in a couple of weeks. The shouting you will hear are the shouts of joy for those of us who are long and shouts of pain for the bashers who failed their bosses.
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: noahltl, you have been literally beaten over the head with fact after fact. You just plain do not listen or chose to ignore them. You keep spinning round and round with the same old redundant material re CMKX. Don't you get the least bit dizzy with all the SPINNING? Seems that you did last night! LOL
Wallace, deduction is not evidence. That's all I see from you. You try to take some stock model that you are aware of and attempt to apply it to this stock. What you cannot see, is that this stock is not like any others. Even those who know pinks, know that this is true. You cannot apply models, therefore you cannot apply deductions based on those models. You are so convinced of yourself, that you believe that your opinion, is evidence. IT IS NOT.
This stock will not fit into any form or mold, until Roger is done getting it into full reporting status. Nor will the full story be known until security precautions are lifted.
Don't you think Kensington / DeBeers would love to know Urban and Roger are up to? Don't you think the MM's would love to know what's coming next? Why is it so difficult for you to understand why security is so important to this stock? As difficult as it may be for you, pretend for a moment that my theory on the UCAD dividend is true. Can you not see why they couldn't have told us about this in advance. The MM's wouldn't have placed the naked shares in peoples accounts and gotten caught.
There is more to come. More twists and turns and head fakes. We can't be told everything until it comes to pass. And the bashers will continue to use the companies inabilities to inform its shareholders, to turn around and bash them for it.
Once again, for the bashers, is this just a fun game for you? Haven't you already learned that we ain't movin' on some opinion that you carry here? It's a waste of time and thread space. We are only going to move on DD and PR.
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Noahltl wrote: You try to use some unknown, unproven knowledge that you claim to have of Wall Street to support nothing other than opinion. ---------------------------------------------
Starting to get into the personal attack mode again, noahltl?
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Wallace, deduction is not evidence. That's all I see from you.
Exactly my point, noahltl. You refuse to see the facts that I, and many others, have presented here about CMKX.
Noahltl also wrote: You try to take some stock model that you are aware of and attempt to apply it to this stock. Q: With “some unknown, unproven knowledge that you claim to have of Wall Street…”? Q: How is that possible? Contradictions!!!
Even those who know pinks, know that this is true. You cannot apply models, therefore you cannot apply deductions based on those models. Q: And all that from an admitted securities novice?
This stock will not fit into any form or mold, until Roger is done getting it into full reporting status. Q: Who told you that? UC? Glenn? Melvin? Any one of those pumpers you post, such as DrD, Sterling, Zen (? Now), people from CT?
Nor will the full story be known until security precautions are lifted. Q: What security precautions? Who told you said “precautions” are in effect or in place”? Again, do you have inside info?
Don't you think Kensington / DeBeers would love to know Urban and Roger are up to? Don't you think the MM's would love to know what's coming next? A: 10 to 1 they already know......NOTHING.
There is more to come. More twists and turns and head fakes. We can't be told everything until it comes to pass. Q: Just what is coming? Q: "More twists and turns and head fakes"? Not a very good looking picture...snakes, slithering, convolutions, misinformation, deception, etc.
And the bashers will continue to use the companies inabilities to inform its shareholders, to turn around and bash them for it. A: “Inabilities” require changes in management to correct said inabilities. Shareholders can certainly be told the I/O, Balance Sheet, Earnings and Cash Flow information. Those things are an ongoing process in any company...even a donut shop. They are always readily at hand since current up-to-date account books are required both in the US and in Canada. They are simply ledger entries.
We are only going to move on DD and PR. A: You didn’t purchase on reliable DD and PR, so many of you do not know how to move when you DO see reliability.
No wonder Wall St. Wally's gettin' stressed. Anyone remember when those huge blocks were going thru and Wally said he got some .0001 shares from connections? Anyone remember those strange 911 shares trades? Jeff out about 48 hours before the UCAD divvy. Alot of strange 'Twilight Zone' chit going on.
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Way-high-child wrote: No wonder Wall St. Wally's gettin' stressed. -------------------------------------------- Hell no! CMKX couldn't begin to stress me. You've been dreaming about CMKX far too much! LOL
Symbol News Release Release Time FNPR First National to fund city wind generation projects valued at over $20 million 25/9/04 3:30:00 PM SZKMF Suzuki's big plans for India hit roadblock as government raises objection 25/9/04 1:08:44 PM FNPR First National to fund city wind generation projects valued at over $20 million 25/9/04 12:22:00 PM TGYA TGYA Pays 10-1 F/S Per Share 25/9/04 6:37:30 AM MSTI MSTI Pays .21 Per Share Record Date 10/12/2004 25/9/04 6:37:30 AM HINKY HINKY Pays .19475 final Per Share Record Date 09/08/2004 25/9/04 6:37:30 AM CNPWM CNPWM Pays .5225 Per Share Record Date 10/08/2004 25/9/04 6:37:30 AM CMKX CMKX Pays +stk Per Share Record Date 08/31/2004 25/9/04 6:37:30 AM TYNLY TYNLY Pays .297 approximate Per Share Record Date 11/12/2004 25/9/04 6:36:30 AM BOSEP BOSEP Pays 1.0625 Per Share Record Date 10/08/2004 25/9/04 6:36:30 AM ALPCF ALPCF Acquired ** 25/9/04 5:36:30 AM LDTI LDTI OTC Deletion Eff. 09/27/2004 25/9/04 5:35:30 AM GCCXQ GCCXQ OTC Deletion Eff. 09/27/2004 25/9/04 5:35:30 AM
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Wallace#1 Thanks, usually on Saturdays I just get hype emails from newsletters! Usually never company news! So, who is CDS?
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Will: Will, I get the Smallcapcenter news. I see StockHouse has it. What I'm interested in also is where it came from. I get alot of news and never heard of via CDS? By the way nice newsletter you put out!
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OK, I received an email from First Alert News through smallcap center. It was right there. I didn't fabricate it. I have no idea who/what CDS is. I got the email and posted it here.
quote:Originally posted by SmokingUSA: Will: Will, I get the Smallcapcenter news. I see StockHouse has it. What I'm interested in also is where it came from. I get alot of news and never heard of via CDS? By the way nice newsletter you put out!
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Looks like its in reference to CIM dividend since that is the record date for that divy. Must be getting them on Oct 18. Good, I like free stuff.
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Will: I wasn't suggesting that you made it up! I received the same thing from Smallcapcenter.
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Will can you do something with that link? It's stretching out the page really far.
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