-------------------- All post are my opinion. Do your own DD. Who's clicking your buy/sell button!? Posts: 7800 | From: Virginia | Registered: May 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey: The basic plan would be that he would have friends and associates who would "own" stock in the company, only for the purposes of dumping it on the way up. They sell into the rally, keeping some of the gains as their "commission" for giving him complete deniability about running a pump-and-dump scam. A scheme such as that is much more elaborate and involved than the above summation, and I can't prove this is what happened, but SOMEONE was selling into that rally, and making money all the way up. Circumstantial evidence would point to Rufus and/or other insiders.
Kevin ..... I don't usually agree with your opinions .... HOWEVER ..........I agree with this one. I have suspected this for quite some time (as I have suggested in PM's to some of you). Rufus has done so many unexplained things in the past that make no sense, this opinion leans in the direction of that results. I still think that we have a strong possibility that CSHD is going to be very successful, but I think we have been "used" by Rufus and ALSO Ben. All one has to do is look at the conduct of Rufus. Does a CEO, who wants his company to succeed; perform the way he has been? The answer simply is NO. ........... Let's look forward now and give John the support he needs to make this work for us and the company.
A lot of the things I have posted here have been summarily dismissed by folks in the thread, because they don't want to believe it has all been a mirage. If there was "illegal naked shorting" contributing to the plunge in price of this stock, I wouldn't be surprised if even THAT was proxy-driven, allowing RPH and his cohorts to make money on the runup and the crash.
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quote:Originally posted by TimW: LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..
lame.
Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.
Tim-
I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.
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quote:Originally posted by SherriT: I just wish they would a) figure out who is/has to be CEO to conduct business effectively, and b) get the SEC out of the way, and c) issue the 6 shares before the price goes back up (assuming it does).
I fear that there isn't a CEO that can do all of this. I'm getting the feeling that Rufus would need to be CEO to work the bonds and proceed with the business, but I don't think he wants to deal with the SEC at all.
From what I'm hearing about the SPR show (I've got to listen to that!), it sounded like Rufus was ready to just let everything go down the tubes and try to fight this out in the courts. If this is true, I just don't get his thinking!
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quote:Originally posted by SherriT: I just wish they would a) figure out who is/has to be CEO to conduct business effectively, and b) get the SEC out of the way, and c) issue the 6 shares before the price goes back up (assuming it does).
I fear that there isn't a CEO that can do all of this. I'm getting the feeling that Rufus would need to be CEO to work the bonds and proceed with the business, but I don't think he wants to deal with the SEC at all.
From what I'm hearing about the SPR show (I've got to listen to that!), it sounded like Rufus was ready to just let everything go down the tubes and try to fight this out in the courts. If this is true, I just don't get his thinking!
If you buy into the theory that he's made his money on this thing already, and that he's hidden his proxies well enough to protect himself from liability, then what would be his motivation for making a go of the company?
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I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..
lame.
Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.
Tim-
I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.
I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..
lame.
Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.
Tim-
I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.
there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
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He may have gotten lucky...but it's still significant because it totally disspells the rumor of having to perfectly "match" a transaction with another individual...
This also happen to me last week...my order was eventually filled but it was broken up...and averaged over different prices...
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I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..
lame.
Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.
Tim-
I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.
there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
You made the point before I could get to it.
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quote:Originally posted by CRab: He may have gotten lucky...but it totally disspells the rumor of having to perfectly "match" a transaction with another individual...
If orders perfectly match, and are prearranged, they are going to be filled. So, the "rumor" (it's not a rumor, it's true) that to guarantee a sell on a grey stock you have to perfectly match prices is not "disspelled [sic]" at all. Sometimes people DO get lucky, and a broker will happen to fill their order with a matching buy at a random level. But to GUARANTEE an order filling, you have to match order sizes/prices.
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Ok... but when you call your broker to place the order what do you tell him? I put an order in for a price... it filled lower then the price I gave them is all I meant. I just used the word bid there... wrong word I guess.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:Originally posted by ClayN: Kevin,
I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..
lame.
Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.
Tim-
I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.
there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
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I don't make plays in stocks that require a broker to fill the order. However, what happens, is that he happens to find someone out there offering their shares at less than you're willing to pay, so he buys them for you at that price, instead of what you were initially offering. It's just luck of the draw.
quote:Originally posted by ClayN: Ok... but when you call your broker to place the order what do you tell him? I put an order in for a price... it filled lower then the price I gave them is all I meant. I just used the word bid there... wrong word I guess.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:Originally posted by ClayN: Kevin,
I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..
lame.
Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.
Tim-
I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.
there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
You made the point before I could get to it.
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I didn't say prearranged/complementary trades wouldn't go through...it's obvious they will...I was making the point that it is not a requirement for an individual's trade...which some have questioned...
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey: If orders perfectly match, and are prearranged, they are going to be filled. So, the "rumor" (it's not a rumor, it's true) that to guarantee a sell on a grey stock you have to perfectly match prices is not "disspelled [sic]" at all. Sometimes people DO get lucky, and a broker will happen to fill their order with a matching buy at a random level. But to GUARANTEE an order filling, you have to match order sizes/prices.
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And all we're saying is that the only sure thing in the grey stocks are prearranged trades. Any other fills on the buy or sell side are pure luck.
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Crab and I were just pointing out that they can/do happen. Call it luck or not it still happens was our point.
quote:Originally posted by Kevin Bailey: And all we're saying is that the only sure thing in the grey stocks are prearranged trades. Any other fills on the buy or sell side are pure luck.
(Updates in the last paragraph to note that SEC staff is considering proposals to tighten some parts of Regulation SHO.)
By Judith Burns
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The Securities and Exchange Commission voted Monday to propose abolishing decades-old restrictions that allow short sales only when stock prices are rising. If approved in a second vote by the five-member commission, the SEC would abolish rules allowing short sales only when stock prices are moving up. The change would apply to the SEC's own rules and those set by U.S. market self-regulatory groups.
Short sellers sell borrowed shares in hopes of profiting from declining prices. Since the 1930s, the SEC has allowed short sales only when a stock price is rising, not falling, and stock markets have used their own price tests for short selling, based on the last sale or bid. An SEC experiment to temporarily lift such restrictions for some stocks found the limits aren't needed to prevent manipulation, SEC market regulation division director Erik Sirri said Monday.
Other changes to crack down on short-selling are in the works, though. Sirri said the SEC staff hopes to offer recommendations in January to amend the SEC's Regulation SHO - a broad package of rules on short-selling - by eliminating exceptions for market makers and so-called "grandfathered" securities.
-By Judith Burns, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-6692; judith.burns*dowjones.com
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The reason things don't add up here is that our universe is out of kilter. In the normal scheme of things, the corporation (CSHD) would be the center and everything would revolve around it. (CEO, agents, assets, etc). But here, in bizarro universe, everything revolves around the assets which are in a secretive international account. And yet the assets seem to be in the control of Rufus, who used to be the center of our universe.
This leads to one question ... If Rufus does not have $200M to open the euroclear account, by who's credit or backing did he open this account? By the strength of the bonds themselves? If not, then who is Rufus answerable to?
In this universe, the SEC is a Black Hole that seeks to suck CSHD into it. We will see if we have the power to resist it, but I feel it will take some time.
These are just some thoughts and we will need some fundimental answers to set our world aright.
* Who are the Insider Majority Shareholders? * What is the true relationship between them and Rufus? * What is the true relationship between John, Rufus, Mike, and the IMS? * Who or what is the "Higher Power" if there is one?
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NEW YORK - Some of the things that make America unique, its vast distances and its aging oil fields, offer ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions unlike those used in other countries, a top US carbon credit developer said.
The long distances that goods travel from ports in California to the U.S Midwest and East Coast offer opportunities to make shipping more efficient, reducing emissions scientists have linked to global warming, said Bill Townsend, CEO and founder of Salt Lake City-based Blue Source LLC, in an interview.
That may not make sense in smaller countries such as those in Western Europe. "Driving across some (European) countries is like driving across Iowa, it's a totally different scale," he said.
Companies that reduce heavy-emissions trucking and maximize lower-emissions rail shipping, a practice known as intermodal transport, could earn scores of credits in any future US emissions trading plan, he said.
In addition, scores of old oilfields in Texas, California and other states offer space to pump carbon dioxide below ground after capturing emissions at coal and natural gas power plants.
The European Union, to meet its limits under the Kyoto Protocol, placed greenhouse emissions limits on industrial plants and is attempting to expand that to transportation sources. It also created an EU trading system where plants that exceed their emissions limits can buy credits from companies that come in below their limits.
The United States is the world's largest polluter, but does not regulate greenhouse gas emissions. President George W. Bush pulled the United States out of the Kyoto pact in his first term. Nevertheless, some US companies have begun to develop and trade greenhouse emissions in hopes of getting credit for taking early action.
Blue Source, which describes itself as the No. 1 US developer of carbon credits, generates about 25 million tonnes of credits a year. It has sold about 15 million to 18 million tonnes and the rest are listed on three registries in hopes that they will have value if the country eventually regulates emissions, said Townsend.
Currently, the credits sell from $1.50 to $8.50 a tonne, with higher-end sales taking place in states such as California and seven Northeastern states seeking to bypass the Bush administration and create their own carbon trading platforms, he said.
Townsend said companies such as trucker J.B. Hunt Transport Services Inc., which have taken steps to make transportation more efficient, could do well in a future emissions trading system. "The more progressive transportation companies are building relationships with rail now in ways they never did before," he said.
CARBON CAPTURE
For decades, oil companies have been injecting carbon dioxide from naturally occurring sources into aging oilfields to boost output. Expanding that practice to encompass emissions from man-made sources like coal-burning power plants, could be the next step.
"That puts us at the intersection of climate change and domestic energy, which is a place we really like to be," said Townsend. Companies are planning to build more than 100 coal plants in the United States, some of which could capture carbon.
Blue Source and US private equity firm First Reserve Corp. said this fall they will target greenhouse gas investment opportunities of up to $500 million.
Townsend's company has already built, owned and designed four of the five US pipelines that transport carbon dioxide captured from energy sources to old oilfields. He said the commitment with First Reserve could increase investment in carbon pipeline infrastructure.
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quote:Originally posted by 3403: I was just wondering what it would take to feel like I have been scammed? hmmmmmmmmmm
You know if you've been scammed when you put more capital in your brokerage account to try & make your money back from a POS like this.....this is exactly what I have done and I am doing....GLTU.
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Would I feel scammed if I were promised a reset value of $15.00 and it never happened? Would I feel scammed if there were a secretive share holders committee? Would I feel scammed if the CEO's changed every couple weeks? Would I feel scammed if the BOD's were all fired? Would I feel scammed if the founder appeared drunk on SPR, and didn't make sense? Would I feel scammed if my purchase at $2.00 fell to pennies in a week? Would I feel scammed in our Billions in assets either weren't there or untouchable? Hmmmmmmmm wonder what it would take to feel scammed?
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quote:Originally posted by 3403: Everything will probalby turn out all right, think?
bod`s were not fired they quit! the CEO quit!! came back and was fired. and no I dont think everything will turn out allright.
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Are there any prs or 8ks to look forward to this week, or is it just a quiet week?
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