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we do not have the same firepower as the military or the police.
Military no, but some of the guns that show up against the regular duty officers on the street are scary. Swat and other special teams, no.
i get kinda ticked when the police start complaining about not having enough firepower.
Ya but what does a regular cop carry in his car at three in the morning? I don't know what your cops have as standard equipment. I'd want twice the fire power over the other guy.
infamous LA bank robbers
Glad that almost never happens.
as a repoman i was denied access to quality body armor. it is actually tightly controlled. go figure that. not allowed to wear protective body armor but allowed to have a concealed weapon.
This is where I was going with my ....'restricting guns'.... comment in my earlier post. Many people believe that some professionals are more responsible in the handling of higher powered guns and should be licensed to do so.
people have fantasies about steroid loaded arms holding a bouncing machine gun,
Not a fantasy. I stood in line and waited my turn. They called me up and I drop to the ground and took up a very formidable position behind a 50 cal. on a tripod surrounded with sand bags. The corporal gave me some instructions that I didn't here cuz before he was finished I "squeezed" the trigger. I can't say as I noticed him tapping me on the shoulder to stop. I am sure my body left the ground. Yes. It stopped on its own (finished the belt) and I jumped up and ran back to my dad. He was shaking his head and laughing. I still have some of that smile on my face. I waited for a changing of the "corporals" and went back to for more. That Air Force Day was Awesome. I was nine years old.
banning "certain" guns won't make criminals act better.
"act better", No it won't. But it will eventually take away some of their fire power and reduce the damage they cause. I think banning some guns would help to focus attention on gun issues and make people more aware of each others concerns. Education can only help.
the problem is people not machines
Everybody agrees with you. Guns do not go off by them selves. Just that over the last 100 years, nobody seems to have a viable solution other than to do something with the machines. Controlling people is proving to be impossible not to mention infringing on...............
The RFID thing is good though. It's in use for dogs, pigs, ect. and the transportation of cargo. I wounder if the price is so high cuz the pharmaceuticals have and interest in the human aspect?
The keys to start my cars and an atv are chipped. They cost $100 to replace but it's a cheap security system and very hard to bypass.
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but some of the guns that show up against the regular duty officers on the street are scary.
there is no such thing as a scary gun, just scary people. guns are simply machines. all cops choose to be cops for personal reasons, just as all repo men do, bounty hunters, and crab fishermen, the most dangerous job in the world. they LIKE danger. it makes them fell alive
too many movies have portrayed gun use in Rambo terms.
most guns on the street are the same basic guns cops carry just cheaper, less reliable and accurate models because criminals will drop them into the drink after they use them- i already posted the most common guns on the street.
The RFID thing is good though.
not. you want to be chipped? you want ANYBODY with a scanner to ID you?
you are forgetting that the most comon victims of violent crime ARE poor people who cannot afford the extra cost. unfortunately? they are the most likely to have their gun stolen too,
i return to my original argument that the best way to lower all crimes is to provide headstart to everybody and make it mandatory for welfare moms.
then pay the headsart teacher professional wages so that we don't have worse people "warehousing" the kids.
early childhood development studies prove that children are taught how to learn (or not) at very early ages. sure, genes have alot to do with it, but little kids are blank slates and if left in front of the TV all day cannot develop into functional adults. esp. considering how awful alot of the cartoon network crap is now ever watch ed ed and eddy? just plain disgusting. it's nothing like the three stooges which i assume it was intended to mimic.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: they had no reasonable plan. without looking it up? they all died is my recollection.
they were loaded down with armor and could not move.
Actually they were very well planned robberies they did.. very military style precision... what I think they should of done was have a 3rd person... a driver if you may...
As for not moving because of their armor... that wasn't true.. .they were big guys.. muscle heads... they were just boxed in by the police... the reason for not being able to move.... go watch the videos on Youtube..
quote:the problem is people not machines
Machines and/or guns are extensions of those people...
mach, i can never understand how you come up with these types of arguments.
the mere fact that they were shot to hell proves the plan was wrong. it wasn't bad luck, it was muscleheads. yeah they shoulda had a driver. you sure they didn't? you sure the driver didn't wooooss and leave them?
as for why they got caught? don't you think that if you are in a bank and you see a dude looking like iron man walk thru the door that you will push the alarm button immediately?
comeon. be reasonable.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Where are all these guns (no matter the type) coming from that end up in the hands of all these criminals for whom it is illegal to purchase a gun? If our laws are being circumvented to allow illegal transport and distribution of firearms on such a large scale without any ability to backtrack the weapons previous history so that we can hold the illegal traffickers responsible then it stands to reason that our laws need a review and rewrite.
if we don't have the ability to track them then how can Mexico blame us for their problem?
U.S. Guns Arming Mexican Drug Gangs; Second Amendment to Blame? Officials: More Than 90 Percent of Weapons Used by Mexico's Drug Gangs Come From the U.S.
that story comes with a picture that just proves it's a lie anyway
that gun is some sort of AK variant that i don't recognise for sure because it's not available in the US. it appears to me to be a Russian PK/PKM-47 that's been modified heavily.
that gun is not a US product.
it is possible that it's a custom built M-60 which is a US military gun and available to a citizen with a tax stamp and complete background check. but it looks to be too light to be an M-60
the fact is that guns are bougth legally by citizens who then turn around and sell them, or have them stolen.
show me how many guns are invlved in th eillegal trade. i find that 80,000 guns were confisccted by cops in '05 BUT they were not all sold illegally.. just being used/carried illegally
as for the Mexican govt claiming that 90% of the guns in their country came from here? i BET you the Govt of Mexico supplied most of the illegal guns to their cartels- we all know that the Mexican govt is behind the drug trafickers at some time or another. the Mexican govt and many of the central american govt have been sponsors of drug trafficking.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: mach, i can never understand how you come up with these types of arguments.
the mere fact that they were shot to hell proves the plan was wrong.
Obviously you didn't look up the details of the robbery. First that wasn't their first robbery, only their last. 2nd one of the robbers committed suicide. Put his gun under his chin and fired. The cops didn't kill him.
The other robber was shot in his legs and died of blood loss. They have a famous picture of him when they took off his mask and he was still alive looking at the camera.
quote: it wasn't bad luck, it was muscleheads.
They were avid bodybuilders at Gold's Gym and my point was that wearing body armour for them was nothing so lack of movement was not what kept them back.
quote: yeah they shoulda had a driver. you sure they didn't? you sure the driver didn't wooooss and leave them?
A full documentary by the History Channel as well as witnesses (including the 2 cops who first saw them going from their car to the bank)to their various robberies proved it was only them two.
quote:as for why they got caught? don't you think that if you are in a bank and you see a dude looking like iron man walk thru the door that you will push the alarm button immediately?
I guess you were not listening to me. They committed several robberies that were very well planned out.Military style so to speak. In fact this one was planned months in advance and wasn't a spur of the moment thing. Their plan was to be in the bank no longer then 8 minutes. I believe it was said in the documentary they were either inspired by this 8 minute rule from the movie Heat or Point Break. This robbery ran them into bad luck:
"However, as they walked into the bank they were spotted by an LAPD patrol car driving down Laurel Canyon, and the officers in the car radioed in a possible 211, code for an armed robbery.[15]"
quote:comeon. be reasonable.
Your not being reasonable because you immediately dispute what I say before looking into the facts of the robbery to see if I'm blowing smoke. Go watch the documentary on History Channel or their website or perhaps it's on Youtube. Here I'll help you with some links:
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ok a quick look at wiki still shows they were idiots.
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Larry Phillips, Jr. and Emil Matasareanu first met at Gold's Gym in Venice, Los Angeles, California in 1989. They had a mutual interest in weightlifting and bodybuilding.[citation needed] Phillips imported steel-core ammunition for his illegally modified assault rifles, and acquired Aramid body armor.[5]
In October 1993, Phillips and Matasareanu were arrested in Glendale, northeast of Los Angeles, California, for speeding.[6] A subsequent search of their vehicle—after Phillips surrendered with a concealed weapon—found two semi-automatic rifles, two handguns, over 1,600 rounds of 7.62 mm rifle ammunition, over 1,200 rounds of 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP handgun ammunition, radio scanners, smoke bombs, improvised explosive devices, body armor vests, and three different California license plates.[7] Though they were initially charged with conspiracy to commit robbery,[8] neither of them served more than 100 days in jail, though they each were put on three years' probation.[9] After their release, most of their seized property was returned to them.[10]
Sometime in 1995, the pair ambushed a Brinks armored car and killed one guard in the robbery. In May 1996, they robbed two branches of Bank of America in San Fernando, stealing approximately US$1.5 million.[11] Phillips and Matasareanu were dubbed the "High Incident Bandits" by investigators due to the heavy weaponry they had used in three bank robberies prior to their attempt in North Hollywood.[12]
you'll note that they illegally modified thier own weapons and were caguth and released before they committed the north hollywood shootout.
just more proof that the system failed not the laws.
furthermore? the fact that they got away with two-three jobs before that means nothing in terms of smarts.
they had over amillion bucks? they were addicted to adrtenalin and committted to becoming dead in the street.
the full body armor that was shown on TV slows down anybody, what was shown was that it was on legs as well or the cops would have taken their legs out.
Philli0ps killed himself after being shot up bad. so what?
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Your not being reasonable because you immediately dispute what I say before looking into the facts of the robbery to see if I'm blowing smoke. Go watch the documentary on History Channel or their website or perhaps it's on Youtube. Here I'll help you with some links:
actually it sounds alot like you admire them.
they were idiots they are dead. end of story.
i have much better things to do with my time than watch a story about this in TV,
after getting over million in cash they keep on doin' it? stooopid.
do you know how many bank robberies most peopl get away with 'fore they are caught? do yo know how few bank robbers are ever caught? it's a very high number these guys not only got caught -they got dead, that's even rarer.
do you know what the instructions are to bank employees who are in a robbery? comply.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: as for the Mexican govt claiming that 90% of the guns in their country came from here? i BET you the Govt of Mexico supplied most of the illegal guns to their cartels- we all know that the Mexican govt is behind the drug trafickers at some time or another. the Mexican govt and many of the central american govt have been sponsors of drug trafficking.
Wow your blowing smoke on this one. Alot of the guns confiscated in Mexico are U.S. made. Not saying all of them but 90% sounds reasonable. What is more easier? Smuggling them in from Russia or your next door neighbor the U.S.? These are experts at smuggling Glass. Not difficult to understand.
And no the Mexican Gov't as a WHOLE is not behind the drug traffickers. That is like saying that if Hillary Clinton was behind drug traffickers here in the U.S. then the whole U.S. Gov't are backing the drug traffickers. Does that make sense? No. Individual people in the Mexican Gov't, Military, police etc. are paid off to help the Drug traffickers with their business but that does not mean at all that it is officially sanctioned by the Govt/military/police. They are INDIVIDUALS AND NOT WHOLE AGENCIES that are abusing their jobs for the benefit of the drug traffickers and money.
Costa Rica has it's own drug trafficking problems lately and i can assure you the Gov't is not "sponsoring" them. It's just crooked customs agents, coast Guard, police etc. getting paid off to look the other way. Nothing more and nothing less.
I am quite surprised at you Glass, for a person who condemns the media for being inaccurate and sensationalizing the gun issue you sure take it's word on other issues like drug trafficking etc. at face value.
Anyways as for the gun issue with Mexico like i said they are not pulling 90% out of a hat. It is evident when they confiscate guns where they are made and when traced who smuggled them into Mexico and it wasn't the Mexican Gov't. Read it carefully and research it's accuracy:
Btw don't tell me that guns play no part in the drug trade problem. Money and Guns keep the drug cartels in business. One corrupts and the other one kills when necessary to keep their power. We should be attacking all 3: drug smuggling, money laundering and gun trafficking. Because you and I both know it affects the U.S. and if it hasn't officially yet, the violence will cross into our borders. It already has imo.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: the full body armor that was shown on TV slows down anybody, what was shown was that it was on legs as well or the cops would have taken their legs out.
2nd robber was killed by being shot in the legs. Perhaps the other one was armoured there and this one wasn't. the 2nd one was the driver in the car so his legs were somewhat protected til he got out of the car and was ultimately brought down.
quote:Philli0ps killed himself after being shot up bad. so what?
His hand(s) were wounded but I wouldn't say he was shot up bad. He saw no way out and wasn't going to go back to jail so he took his only way out. Point being you were wrong about how he died.
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Nope, don't admire then and I agree they were idiots. But only for not quitting while ahead. Million dollars was enough imo.
quote:i have much better things to do with my time than watch a story about this in TV,
Ironic, when you are right about something you have all the time to look all these articles, youtube etc. up but when you are wrong all of a sudden you have much better things to do with your time then look at evidence and such lol And for someone who works 70 hours a week making glass artwork you sure are on here alot during day and night.
quote:after getting over million in cash they keep on doin' it? stooopid.
Already agreed with this. They should of quit while ahead.
quote:do you know how many bank robberies most peopl get away with 'fore they are caught? do yo know how few bank robbers are ever caught? it's a very high number these guys not only got caught -they got dead, that's even rarer.
They made a pact they wouldn't go back to jail so was obvious where they were heading if they didn't quit early. But as for bank robbers, they get caught sooner or later. Some sooner and some later. Most don't quit while ahead, some get caught because they are amateurs:
quote:do you know what the instructions are to bank employees who are in a robbery? comply.
Your point being? It goes without saying.
You can just not bring yourself to saying someone else is right and you were wrong about facts on something lol When you are wrong you go to your standby of "I have much better things to do with my time".
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uh? how do you define bad? shot in both hands is pretty bad, and pretty good shooting by a sniper too...
In this case, approximately 650 rounds were fired at two heavily armed and heavily armored men, who had fired 1,100 rounds.[3] The responding police officers directed their fire at the "center mass" or torsos of Matasareanu and Phillips. Each man was shot and penetrated by at least ten bullets, yet both continued to attack officers.
that's shot up bad, you see? even if the bullet is stopped? the force is still transmitted to the body, a little 9 milli might not be much but 10 of them add up
the picture in the article i posted is most definitley a Russkie made wepon.
you just make my points more valid with most every post.
the Mexican smugglers are experts at smuggling, they will just get guns wherever they want them from.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: track and trace US-made guns ;thanks for making MY point
see how easy it is to get people to verify the underlying points?
What point? Did I say guns could never be tracked? Of course they can if they have serial numbers.They can be tracked by the manufacturer as to which retailer recieved it and sold it to whom and if it was stolen or not. So I don't see what point you are making? Please explain further.
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What point? Did I say guns could never be tracked?
i brought the Mexican issue up to show that we can track and trace guns, i was responding to BF who you falsely accused me of ignoring before.
i toally disagree with you that these guys were anything other than complete stupid jack asses and you won't find very many people that will agree with you.
i offered speculation as specualtion, that does not make me wrong. you are trying way too hard here Mach.
look up there and see that it quotes BF.
quite frankly? i think you are slipping here. this is just ridiculous the way you want to try to make me wrong so hard. take a break from it man.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: I wouldn't say he was shot up bad
uh? how do you define bad? shot in both hands is pretty bad, and pretty good shooting by a sniper too...
Bad can be defined by each individual. To this robber it wasn't bad. What was bad is he was running out of ammo and was not going to be taken alive back to jail.
quote:that's shot up bad, you see? even if the bullet is stopped? the force is still transmitted to the body, a little 9 milli might not be much but 10 of them add up
10 of them did not bring them down for 2 reasons that are most likely:
1. They were bodybuilders so therefor the armour stopped the bullets and their physically fit bodies could take the force much better then perhaps the average joe. 1 bullet would of tooken me down because im not a big guy like those 2.
2. They were high on drugs for adrenaline and such. Ever wonder how alot of drunk drivers are able to come out of a bad crash while the person they hit doesn't?. drugs and alcohol play a part sometimes in people surviving things they nornally wouldn't.
quote:the picture in the article i posted is most definitley a Russkie made wepon.
you just make my points more valid with most every post.
Again what point are you talking about? I never disputed what weapon was in the photo. And btw we don't even know if that weapon and photo is from Mexico. Could be from Sierre Leone, Afghanistan etc. But thats not the point. Point is I never disputed the photo and it's weapon. And also I said 90% of weapons in Mexico are U.S. made so that leaves 10% non-U.S. made. Perhaps that russkie weapon is one of those 10%?
quote:the Mexican smugglers are experts at smuggling, they will just get guns wherever they want them from.
Your point again? Yes they will get guns wherever they want them from and they prefer U.S. made weapons over others and they will smuggle them from the U.S. which is easier for them to do so.
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a SWAT officer reported during the final gunfire exchange that his M16 rounds could not penetrate Matasareanu's armor (due to the trauma plates),[citation needed] suggesting that the outcome could have been different had both robbers been wearing leg protection.[12] The homemade body armor was heavy, reportedly weighing as much as three bowling balls,[citation needed] and limited the robbers' mobility.
keep in mind that i remebered this stuff from when it happened.
why are you doing this? i recalled commentary from the time of the incident as it was offered on the news. in other words? i was not "wrong" to say htat they were weighed down by body armour as you want to sugggest
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i brought the Mexican issue up to show that we can track and trace guns, i was responding to BF who you falsely accused me of ignoring before.
You quoted me and not BF when you made that comment.
quote:i toally disagree with you that these guys were anything other than complete stupid jack asses and you won't find very many people that will agree with you.
Did i say they weren't stupid jackasses? But they were above the average bank robber that is for sure. They planned their jobs in advance and not like the typical Bloods or CRips gang members that do not. And a million bucks before the Bank of America job definetly makes them above the average robber. Most do not get much. So as for "totally disagreeing" with me, I do not get what we were totally disagreeing with other then the facts of the robbery. That they were total stupid goes without saying and is not something i disagreed with you.
quote:i offered speculation as specualtion, that does not make me wrong. you are trying way too hard here Mach.
That you were totally speculating and then I showed you that you were wrong in your speculation does make you wrong. But you could never admit that ever. It is not in your nature to "be wrong" with anyone.
quote:look up there and see that it quotes BF.
U quoted me and not BF and directed your post to me and that is quite evident to me and everyone. If you had wanted to dispute BF you would of quoted him and/or quoted me and said to BF, "See, Mach just made my point". but you didn't...
quote:quite frankly? i think you are slipping here. this is just ridiculous the way you want to try to make me wrong so hard. take a break from it man.
So hard? Actually in this case I did it quite easily and you tried to run away with : I have better things to do with my time. If anyone tries hard to make anyone wrong it is you. You do it constantly with me, BF, Pagan etc. and with speaking for Cowman as well instead of letting Cow do it himself. You really should take a break and let the gang dispute each other. I rarely post. Usually i go weeks without posting when the topics are boring but I do let others post each other when I do get involved in a issue. I don't hog up the threads as much.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: keep in mind that i remebered this stuff from when it happened.
why are you doing this? i recalled commentary from the time of the incident as it was offered on the news. in other words? i was not "wrong" to say htat they were weighed down by body armour as you want to sugggest
And how heavy and built were those guys? The average joe like me couldn't carry that weight in armour but they obviously did. Watch the video of the shootout. They were moving their bodies naturally and not holding back. To them wearing that armour was like a weight lifting exercise. I admit i couldn't wear something that weighs 3 bowling ballsl but doesn't mean they couldn't and they obviously could.
But anyways that is not the point. the point is armour or no armour they were going nowhere. They were boxed in and trapped by the police. The ending was obvious before it happened.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: more from Wiki:
a SWAT officer reported during the final gunfire exchange that his M16 rounds could not penetrate Matasareanu's armor (due to the trauma plates),[citation needed] suggesting that the outcome could have been different had both robbers been wearing leg protection.[12] The homemade body armor was heavy, reportedly weighing as much as three bowling balls,[citation needed] and limited the robbers' mobility.
keep in mind that i remebered this stuff from when it happened.
why are you doing this? i recalled commentary from the time of the incident as it was offered on the news. in other words? i was not "wrong" to say htat they were weighed down by body armour as you want to sugggest
WIKI is hardly a factual source to cite. Notice the [citation needed] on most of those claims. I watched it live at the time. I watched a couple times on Discovery channel as well. Those dudes were not immobile at all. Looks like they moved pretty damn well to me. Not justifying anything, I just saw the video footage completely differently than you I guess. Have you actaully watched the footage glass? Or just quoting what you have read? Just curious.
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i brought the Mexican issue up to show that we can track and trace guns, i was responding to BF who you falsely accused me of ignoring before.
You quoted me and not BF when you made that comment
i have no idea where you are coming from Mach, this is just up the page look there, i was responding to BF here's the post
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Where are all these guns (no matter the type) coming from that end up in the hands of all these criminals for whom it is illegal to purchase a gun? If our laws are being circumvented to allow illegal transport and distribution of firearms on such a large scale without any ability to backtrack the weapons previous history so that we can hold the illegal traffickers responsible then it stands to reason that our laws need a review and rewrite.
you are basically trying to say i was wrong when in fact i was not that's what i mean by trying so hard.
the fact that i have no interest in watching a history channel show about it is not an excuse. i don't want to.
get it?
you are just being unreasonable again. you accused me of backtacking last week when i wasn't too...
let it go. it's not even funny
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the hell they aren't. the recent war is due to a new president shaking up the old presidents boyz.
Mexico's federal police are in it all the way.
this is common knowledge amongst the DEA
The DEA does not say they do it as a WHOLE but as individual corrupted ones.
Two cops in NYC were recently convicted and sentenced to life for carrying out hits for the NY Mob. Now it was more then one person being partners in their crimes but does that mean the whole NYPD as a WHOLE were working for the Mob? Hell no.
What you are doing is guilt by association. If only 1 or 2 or even 10 Mex cops are corrupt then you are saying the whole Dept is in on it.
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Carlos Rico, Mexico´s under-secretary of foreign affairs for North America, said at a meeting with Mex. congressmen that "it´s not up " to the Mexican government to resolve the traffic of drugs towards the United States as long as that demand market exists.
Felipe Calderon also told reporters that "Drug trafficking in the United States is fuelled by the phenomenon of corruption on the part of the American authorities," he said.
i have no idea where you are coming from Mach, this is just up the page look there, i was responding to BF here's the post
Here's the quote you posted:
"anyways as for the gun issue with Mexico like i said they are not pulling 90% out of a hat
and my point is that we can track and trace US-made guns ;thanks for making MY point
see how easy it is to get people to verify the underlying points?"
Who did you quote? Was it BF or me?
quote:you are basically trying to say i was wrong when in fact i was not that's what i mean by trying so hard.
When did i say you were wrong about the tracking of guns when it comes to Mexico?
quote:the fact that i have no interest in watching a history channel show about it is not an excuse. i don't want to.
get it?
What I do get is that when you think you are right and have to prove your point you have all the time in the world to look at videos, articles etc. to prove that point no matter what. But when someone else is correct about something when you were "speculating" or just outright wrong you have "no interest" in watching or reading what they have to present. The clip is only 10 minutes long and I only wanted you to watch perhaps the first minute or two on how they were discovered to be committing the bank robbery to show it was by chance they were caught and not by the bank employees. I was disputing your "speculation". But it seems to eat you up if you are wrong so you refuse to watch it.
quote:you are just being unreasonable again. you accused me of backtacking last week when i wasn't too...
let it go. it's not even funny
I find it quite funny actually how you refuse to watch someone else's sources for proving a point or you wrong lol Glad you are doing this publicly though because when it's us you do it all the time.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Have you actaully watched the footage glass? Or just quoting what you have read? Just curious.
i already said not.
but i did see photos of their gear.
fact is? they were wearing 45 pounds of gear plus carrying a bunch of other gear. they were loaded down
this is getting stupider by the second.
they were idiots, dumeber than **** and wanted to die the way they did or they would not have done it.
AND THIS ARGUMENT IS DUMBER THAN **** TOO
Dont bother Pagan, Glass only read and didn't watch the footage of how they carry that armour like it's nothing. And they had most of their gear in the car and not on their bodies. The non armour.
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I find it quite funny actually how you refuse to watch someone else's sources for proving a point or you wrong lol Glad you are doing this publicly though because when it's us you do it all the time.
i find it quite funny that you lose arguments here non-stop and you keep coming back for more. that you have to twist the argumnet inot some osrt of knot and falsely claaim victory implying i say things that i did not.
the fact that i don't care to watch a "documantary" on TV is an admission of nothing except that you are desperate to score a single point out of thousands
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: I find it quite funny actually how you refuse to watch someone else's sources for proving a point or you wrong lol Glad you are doing this publicly though because when it's us you do it all the time.
i find it quite funny that you lose arguments here non-stop and you keep coming back for more.
You lost this one with the N. Hollywood one Glassy... just admit you did and move on.
Plus a difference in opinions is not losing an argument. But when its factual like this bank robbery it is.
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Have you actaully watched the footage glass? Or just quoting what you have read? Just curious.
i already said not.
but i did see photos of their gear.
fact is? they were wearing 45 pounds of gear plus carrying a bunch of other gear. they were loaded down
this is getting stupider by the second.
they were idiots, dumeber than **** and wanted to die the way they did or they would not have done it.
AND THIS ARGUMENT IS DUMBER THAN **** TOO
Not saying they weren't dumb. Just think it odd for you to make definitive comments about they're mobility never having actually watched the footage.. But as you said, this line of posts is getting pretty far from the original points being made on this thread. I've only made two posts about it, I won't persue this line of posts any further. Have a great weekend glass.
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actually MACH said it. so you agree he's wrong or not? answer is required yes or no?
this about the stupidest thing i've seen online sine i was last at islum.
Just think it odd for you to make definitive comments about they're mobility never having actually watched the footage
like i said? even the police said they had limited mobility.
admit it i said something that was not presented as anything other thna banter and this is become a game of glass effed up. but i did not effup-it's written in wiki whether you like it or not it's simply an opinion.
i'd like a soldier to chime in. tell us how much mobility they give up with a standard pack and body armor. they'll tell you the same thing i did.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i find it quite funny that you lose arguments here non-stop and you keep coming back for more. that you have to twist the argumnet inot some osrt of knot and falsely claaim victory implying i say things that i did not.
the fact that i don't care to watch a "documantary" on TV is an admission of nothing except that you are desperate to score a single point out of thousands
It's ok Glass you da man you can never be wrong. I didn't twist any argument other then to show your inaccuracy as to a bank robbery you brought up. But it's ok ignore the facts because you are right about the bank robbery lol
Also don't watch the documentary, i could care less. Your actions speak louder then words. You only want people to read or watch your sources for making points but no one elses. That is ok no problem. Like Pagan said have a nice weekend. I proved you wrong on this and I'll let BF prove you wrong on the rest.
BTW Mexico saying the drug problem is our problem because of demand is also the same way we tell Mexico the gun problem is their problem because of demand.
Have a nice weekend. Me have to get ready for work and such.
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