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I think Lieberman was trying to make a point and then he just started rambling on and on and just started pulling sh%% out of his A%%
Doesnt look like too many people were there compared to what Denver had for a turnout.
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Close Window Palin prepares to introduce herself to the nation Wednesday, September 3, 2008 ST. PAUL, Minn. - Buffeted by revelations both political and personal, Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin prepared Wednesday to speak to GOP delegates and other Americans wanting to know more about the person John McCain picked for his running mate.
Palin's experience - she has been mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska, and has served as the state's governor for less than two years - and her commitment to resisting politics-as-usual government have been questioned since McCain chose her last week. The process that led to her selection has been criticized as hasty because McCain had met her just once before he offered her the job.
Palin also is the subject of an ethics investigation involving the firing of the state's public safety commissioner after he wouldn't dismiss her former brother-in-law, a state trooper. Her efforts as mayor to gain millions of dollars in federal funding through the so-called "earmark" process appeared to be at odds with the McCain message of fiscal reform.
Her personal life became a topic of discussion after Palin revealed that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter was pregnant. Yet her candidacy has excited Republicans at the convention and across the country, in part because she has earned a reputation for taking on entrenched interests in Alaska and is staunchly pro-gun and anti-abortion.
"Give her a chance to make her first speech, give her a chance to do her first interview," said former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the convention's keynote speaker.
"Of course it's going to be high stakes," Giuliani said in an interview Wednesday with "Good Morning America" on ABC. "The media is ready to pounce on any mistake. ... She looks to me like she's got tremendous confidence, got tremendous ability as a speaker."
Palin walked onto the spare stage at the Xcel Center about 7:20 a.m. EDT for a run-through and spent about 10 minutes looking onto the nearly empty arena and discussing where she would stand at the lectern and where she would look during her prime-time speech. Joining Palin were McCain campaign manager Rick Davis and senior adviser Nicolle Wallace.
The disclosure Monday that Palin's daughter Bristol is five months pregnant - and a continuing drip of potentially embarrassing details - knocked the convention off message before a rousing program Tuesday night.
Speakers extolled McCain as a war hero and maverick senator while blasting Democrat Barack Obama as an untested liberal. The 47-year-old Illinois senator is seeking to become the first black president.
"Democrats present a history-making nominee for president. History-making in that he is the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee ever to run for president," former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson said as delegates roared with delight.
Palin, who has been in St. Paul since Sunday but out of sight, has a chance Wednesday to speak above the media din and present herself directly to voters as a strong-willed reformer and a solid conservative with appeal to women, including supporters of failed Democratic candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The convention returned, mostly, to normal Tuesday after its opening session was cut short as Hurricane Gustav bore down on the Gulf Coast. With damage from Gustav relatively light, the political speeches began, with President Bush calling McCain "ready to lead this nation."
Thompson, a longtime ally of McCain whose own campaign for the White House flamed out early this year, tossed chunk after chunk of rhetorical red meat to the delegates.
"Washington pundits and media big shots are in a frenzy over the selection of a woman who has actually governed rather than just talked a good game on the Sunday talk shows and hit the Washington cocktail circuit," Thompson said.
But the media focus on Palin's difficulties won't go away, particularly since Bristol Palin and the unborn child's father, 18-year-old Levi Johnston, were to attend Wednesday's session. Republicans across the party defended Palin.
"I haven't seen anything that comes out about her that in any way troubles me or shakes my confidence in her," said former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who ran unsuccessfully for the party's presidential nomination this year.
The prime spot in Tuesday evening's lineup went to Connecticut Democratic-turned-independent Sen. Joe Lieberman - whose vote presently gives Democrats control of the Senate - who enthusiastically endorsed McCain and Palin.
"When others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, when Barack Obama was voting to cut off funding for our troops on the ground," Lieberman said, "John McCain had the courage to stand against the tide of public opinion."
Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Lieberman "can give all the partisan speeches he wants, but as the American people have made very clear, the last thing this country needs is another four years of the same old failed Bush-McCain policies of the past."
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Back to Story - Help McCain More Likely to Drop Palin, Bookmakers Say Mark Deen Tue Sep 2, 1:04 PM ET
Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The smart money thinks there's a better chance today than yesterday that John McCain will dump Sarah Palin as his running mate.
Before the Republican senator's presidential campaign disclosed the pregnancy of Palin's 17-year-old daughter, bookmakers in Britain and Ireland were offering 20-1 odds or higher on a bet that she would be forced off the ticket, meaning a 1 pound ($1.78) bet would pay 20 pounds. Now that same bet will pay no more than 8 pounds.
``While it is rare that a VP candidate gets dropped, it's not completely impossible,'' said Ken Robertson, political betting analyst at Paddy Power Plc, a Dublin-based gambling company. ``Lots of our punters are betting `Shocking' Sarah's days are numbered,'' he added, using a nickname he came up with for the first-term Alaska governor.
The odds, based on wagers made online with Paddy Power and William Hill Plc and in their betting shops, also suggest that McCain is less likely to win the White House because of his vice-presidential running-mate choice, announced Aug. 29. Both gambling houses, along with rival Ladbrokes Plc, place Democrat Barack Obama, 47, as the favorite to triumph in the contest.
``Ever since he appointed her, people have stopped betting on McCain,'' said David Williams of Ladbrokes in London. ``He went down like a sack of potatoes as far as the punters are concerned.''
Odds for Palin
Today, William Hill cut the odds that Palin, 44, would be sacked to 8-1 from 20-1. Paddy Power now puts the odds of Palin leaving the ticket at 14-1, compared to 28-1 before yesterday's disclosure about Bristol Palin, the daughter. The Paddy Power betting house is also offering 33-1 odds that she will go by the end of this week. Ladbrokes is offering 10-1 odds that Palin will quit the race.
Intrade, a Dublin-based peer-to-peer betting Web site, opened a contract on Palin to be withdrawn as the Republican vice presidential nominee. The latest price was 12 cents, up 9 cents today. Each contract at that price will pay 88 cents per contract if Palin leaves the ticket.
Political betting on financial markets outperforms polling as an elections predictor, according to a University of North Carolina study and figures from the Iowa Electronic Markets. Only twice in the century through 2004 -- the 1916 election and the 2000 contest between Bush and Democrat Al Gore -- did the betting markets get it wrong on the popular vote.
Eagleton's Demise
The last time a vice presidential candidate was dropped from the ticket was in 1972, when George McGovern's pick for the job, Tom Eagleton, left the Democratic campaign after disclosures he had undergone treatment for depression. McGovern went on to lose the election to Republican Richard Nixon.
``It would be disastrous for his campaign were McCain to sack Palin, but it is not impossible that she could stand down should party chiefs feel that she is too controversial a choice who might end up costing McCain votes,'' said William Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe.
The betting houses also say punters are shifting toward an eventual Obama victory in November. Paddy Power said Obama is now favored 4-9 compared with 1-2 before the Palin appointment. William Hill said Obama's odds shifted last week to 4-9, where they now remain, from 4-11 on Aug. 21 and 2-5 before that.
Ladbrokes also puts Obama as the 4-9 favorite.
Odds on victory for McCain, who is 72, are 13-8, according to both Paddy Power and William Hill. Ladbrokes gives McCain a slightly better chance of winning, offering 6 pounds for every four bet on that outcome.
McCain advisers Stephen Schmidt and Mark Salter told reporters in St. Paul, Minnesota, yesterday that the campaign learned of Bristol's pregnancy when the mother was vetted.
Obama, campaigning in Monroe, Michigan, said yesterday Palin's children should be ``off limits'' and cited his own mother, who gave birth to Obama when she was 18. Obama named Senator Joe Biden as his running mate last month.
To contact the reporters on this story: Mark Deen in London at markdeen*bloomberg.net
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I think Lieberman was trying to make a point and then he just started rambling on and on and just started pulling sh%% out of his A%%
Doesnt look like too many people were there compared to what Denver had for a turnout.
That is Lieberman... rambles on and on... I'm surprised the GOP would even trust him... he's a traitor to the Left.. what makes them think he won't be to them in the near future? ...
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Connecticut democrats did vote him off the ticket... the GOP's in his state elected him over the Dem pick...
the "thing" about Sara Palin is that she is an appeal to people within the party that are either going to vote GOP or not vote.
Mccain needed (IMO) somebody to appeal to the 15% independents that will actually decide the election.
she ain't it, unless you think she'll save the couple of red states that Obama might take from the GOP in the last election...
Colorado, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Virginia are probably in play. How does Palin bring them back? Co and NV have the "west appeal" but Va and Pa are not likely to be swayed by her IMO....
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Why Obama Can't Close the Sale By AL HUBBARD and NOAM NEUSNER September 3, 2008; Page A23
Even before John McCain shook up the presidential race by tapping Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, polls weren't showing the late-August lead that Barack Obama (and many Republicans) expected. Why so?
It's not because of the brilliance of the McCain campaign. Rather we believe that -- despite the media's best efforts to exempt Mr. Obama's policies from critical examination -- American voters aren't sheep. They pay attention to the candidates and positions and make wise decisions about who should lead the country.
True, Mr. Obama enjoys several advantages. Republicans are struggling nationwide in head-to-head contests. Democrats lead in voter registration, and have a well-funded presidential candidate.
Yet Americans have not committed to Mr. Obama. Why?
Clearly, Mr. Obama's weakness on foreign policy is a factor. He has a knee-jerk preference for diplomacy with China, Europe and Russia over the security of the American people and our closest allies. He hasn't explained his shifting positions on Iraq and Iran, among other hot spots. And he felt compelled to make up for his experience gap with Mr. McCain by picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate.
But here's the thing: It's not that Mr. Obama hasn't been specific enough in his governing plans. To the contrary, he has been very specific about his tax policy, health-care and energy proposals. It's that voters are paying attention and appear not to like what Candidate Obama is saying.
Mr. Obama has proposed a massive tax increase on investors, business owners, and the "wealthy." At a time when the American people rate the economy as the central issue of the campaign, a tax hike doesn't make a lot of political sense. Voters know that a tax hike won't help the economy.
Moreover, Mr. Obama's tax plans would directly or indirectly harm U.S. investors by raising the capital gains and dividend taxes. More than half of U.S. households are equity owners, so Mr. Obama's proposal risks alienating half the population.
Mr. Obama claims to offer a tax cut to moderate-income families, but a significant portion of Mr. Obama's tax plan is a welfare giveaway costing more than $648 billion over 10 years, according to the Tax Policy Center.
How so? He would authorize a hodgepodge of refundable tax credits covering everything from education, mortgage payments, child care and other items for people who do not pay income taxes now.
About 38% of U.S. households pay no income tax today. Under a President Obama (whose policies would shave 15.3 million households off the tax rolls) that share would grow to nearly half of all American households.
We have been repeatedly told that everyone should pay their fair share. So this sounds grossly unfair and like a return of tax-and-spend liberal economics. No wonder there is a lot of doubt about the wisdom of the junior senator from Illinois.
Mr. Obama's health-care proposal is not quite HillaryCare, but it comes close. A national health insurance, heavily subsidized by taxpayers, would be offered to the currently uninsured. Mr. Obama's instincts on health care are always to move more people onto rolls of government-paid and government-mandated insurance, while depriving the marketplace the oxygen it needs for greater innovation, life-saving cures, and efficiency.
Americans have heard the refrain for government-provided health care before and know an expensive government giveaway when they see it.
Mr. Obama's energy policy is to drill less, consume less, tax more, and spend more. With barely a nod to nuclear energy -- the only meaningfully large, carbon-free source of domestic energy -- he is promising a massive increase in domestic, noncarbon-based energy from sources that produce only a fraction of our energy now.
He has also proposed massive tax increases on U.S. oil and gas companies while continuing to cut off vast swaths of U.S. territory to drilling.
Again, Americans are wiser than they are given credit. They know that if you restrict supply and tax production, prices go up.
The economic wisdom of Americans should not be doubted. They can see through Mr. Obama's proposals. They know that they will have to pick up the bill if Mr. Obama sends checks to people who already don't pay taxes; they know a centralized government-controlled health-care system will be more expensive, less efficient, and less friendly to patients and doctors. They know that the most effective way to bring down energy prices is by keeping all our energy options open, including more drilling in the U.S.
And they know that if a candidate has spent his entire career taxing more and spending more, that's what you'll get -- and more of it.
Mr. Obama is wondering why he can't shake Mr. McCain. His problem isn't his plans for the campaign. It's his plans for governing the country. Americans just aren't buying into them.
Mr. Hubbard was director of the National Economic Council and assistant to the president from 2005-2007. Mr. Neusner was the president's economic policy speechwriter from 2002-2004.
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3. Order Bristol's dress (Elastic waist!!! Is white inappropriate after six months?)
3. Fire brother-in-law.
4. Learn about Russia/Georgia/S. Ossetia (Locate Abkhazia???)
5. Nurse Baby Trig.
6. Order flowers for wedding.
7. 0Fire people who haven't fired brother-in-law.
8. Learn about ethics rules.
9. Fire at brother-in-law? (Option: aerial shooting?)
10. Nurse Baby Trig.
11. Learn about Iran.
12. Learn about U.S. Senate.
13. Learn about contraception. (Too late???)
14.Investigate homes for foundlings?
15. Govern Alaska.
16. Life insurance on J.M.?
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....How can this chcik be a V.P. with this much on her plate...LoL
Why on Earth did Mcain and The Republican party pick this woman for V.P.
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The Dems are getting desperate. Obama made a very poor choice with Biden and McCain made a GREAT choice with Palin. The Palin choice has energized the conservative base and will certainly draw in many disgruntled women who feel that Hillary was dissed by Obama.
All this talk about Palin's pregnant daughter is absolute proof that the left is scared (and rightfully so).
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Why would Hillary's base feel they need to vote for a person that almost all there political values are the oppisite they don't agree with anything maybe 1/2 of a percent.
they are like oil and vinager.
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Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, McCain 43% September 3, 2008 Gallup Poll Daily tracking encompassing Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday’s interviewing shows Barack Obama retaining a 6-point, 49% top 43%, lead over John McCain among registered voters.
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The Palin choice has energized the conservative base and will certainly draw in many disgruntled women who feel that Hillary was dissed by Obama.
LOL... you don't get out much do you? the disgruntled Hillary voters who will vote for Palin are all GOPs who crossed political lines in the primary to vote AGAINST Obama...
McCain selected Palin because no other GOP's wanted to be on a losing ticket. They want a chance to run in th efuture without that on their record.
Leiberman was Mccains choice, but he realised he would lose his base, which represents about 30% of all voters.. those are the same people that still think Bush has done a good job.
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What really sounds crazy to me is the republican pundits that keep saying that the senate is no place to learn how to be a leader and run things.
Thats all McCain has been to my knowledge is in the senate or congress his hole political career.
So maybe the Ticket should be reversed palin and McCain
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: The Dems are getting desperate. Obama made a very poor choice with Biden and McCain made a GREAT choice with Palin. The Palin choice has energized the conservative base and will certainly draw in many disgruntled women who feel that Hillary was dissed by Obama.
All this talk about Palin's pregnant daughter is absolute proof that the left is scared (and rightfully so).
Though I haven't yet decided who I will vote for, IMO, the right seemed a bit more scared and desperate. How can they actually believe that Palin has more experience then Obama. If being Governor for less than 18 months is the theory, it very shallow. Look at both of their resume and there is a stark contrast, not just in education but in the type of work experience.
"Palin attended Hawaii Pacific College—now Hawaii Pacific University—in Honolulu for a semester in 1982, majoring in Business Administration. She transferred in 1983 to North Idaho College.[11] In 1987,[12] Palin received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho, where she also minored in political science.[13][14]
In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV in Anchorage, Alaska.[15] She also helped in her husband’s family commercial fishing business.[16]"
"Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[9] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[10] Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[11] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[12][13]
After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[12][14] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[15] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[16] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks then Kenya for five weeks where he met many of his Kenyan relatives for the first time.[17]
Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[18] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[19] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[19] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[18][20]
The publicity from his election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.[21] In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book.[21] He originally planned to finish the book in one year, but it took much longer as the book evolved into a personal memoir. In order to work without interruptions, Obama and his wife, Michelle, traveled to Bali where he wrote for several months. The manuscript was finally published as Dreams from My Father in mid-1995.[21]
Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[22][23]
Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).[24]
In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.[12][25]
Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993.[12][26] He served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama's DCP, from 1993–2002, and served on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation from 1994–2002.[12] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999.[12] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.[12]"
Though Palin's inexperience bothers me and to a degree so does Obama's which is why I'm undecided, one thing I find galring at this point is that the only interveiw the RNC has allowed her to do is with People magazine. They are keeping her away from any tough questions. You talk of sexism. Isn't it sexist for the Republicans to have Thompson, Guilliani etal running interference and speaking for her? Tonight she gives a speech, it may tell us a little but a truer test is in actually having to answer questions from a live person and debating the issues with an opponent and in front of the voters.
I really find it ironic that all of a sudden Republicans are coming out in defense of the way Hillary was treated during the Democratic primary and no I don't think that Hillary's base will run to vote for the Republican ticket just because they picked a woman as their choice for VP. Especially since it seems they want to make Pro-Life the issue. Remember that most of Hillary's base believe in Pro-Choice.
I've read quite a few ****s and message boards and the Republicans are always quick to point out the indiscretions of Bill Clinton, John Edwards and other Dem's but yet fail to list John McCain who was involved with his present wife prior to his divorce, Newt Ginrich and many other Rebulican figures that have themselves been quilty of indiscretion or worse.
Another is that they seem to think that only Republicans can love and honor their country. I service in the Armed Forces and can tell you that being a Republican, Democrat of other never came into to play. I was offended last night at the Country First theme since many many Democrats share those values.
Personally, I find myself a man without a party. Why, because the Far Left and Far Right have tended to squeeze the rest of us out, it almost reminds me of a gang or prison mentality; you're either with us or you're against us.
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quote:with accomplishments including helping set .....and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.
Now, I REALLY don't like the socialist (Osama Obama). How about someone setting up a landlord's rights organization? That's the person I would support!!!
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Obama should have picked hillary....oh well. Not because I like Hillary, but because they would have been a very strong ticket.
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quote:with accomplishments including helping set .....and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.
Now, I REALLY don't like the socialist (Osama Obama). How about someone setting up a landlord's rights organization? That's the person I would support!!!
Just as I figured, you don't want an exchange of ideas and intelligent debate. It's easier to liken Obama to a terrorist or name call.
As far as Altgeld Gardens, are you this kind of Landlord? You'd let your tennant's life in toxic enviroment. Sometimes a little DD helps.
"There are 3,400 residents currently living in the Altgeld / Murray complex. This complex includes its own schools, maintenance staff, on-site social services and medical facilities.
Altgeld Gardens' boundaries are 130th Street on the north and 138th Street on the south, from the Calumet Expressway on the east and the Calumet River on the west. Altgeld Gardens is located near numerous manufacturing plants, former steel mills, waste dumps and landfills. The residents have a growing concern about the number of deaths annually from cancer and other diseases that may be related to their environment.[2]
Altgeld Gardens was named after Democrat John Peter Altgeld, who was the governor of Illinois from 1893-1897. Altgeld Gardens opened for occupancy in September 1944. Altgeld is a low-rise housing development consisting of approximately 1,400 row houses. It was built on land at the edge of the city so many amenities had to be built for the residents, such as schools, stores and medical facilities.
Altgeld Gardens contained a great deal of asbestos in its construction materials - asbestos that remained there until a grassroots campaign in the 1980s advocated for its removal. Future US presidential candidate Barack Obama participated in this campaign, and wrote about it at length in his book Dreams From My Father.
It is one of the densest concentrations of potentially hazardous pollution sources in North America. Many of the landfills that surround them are unregulated, and some of those are still being used. Since most of these landfills as well as many industrial plants are located along the waterways surrounding the area, of the 18 miles of rivers and lakes surrounding Altgeld Gardens, 11 miles of them are unfit for human consumption and recreation, though many residents still fish in them citing that “something’s going to kill them anyway.”
Over the years, Altgeld Gardens (www.altgeldgardens.com) has experienced various gang problems -- yet the community is not regarded as ridden with the sort of bloody rivalries endemic to the North Side's Cabrini Green community nor to the Robert Taylor Homes, near the historic Bronzeville neighborhood."
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Propertymanager: can you answer this question?
Why is it that the Republican response for Palin's inexperience is: "she a quick study"? Just heard it again from Orin Hatch of Utah. I'm sorry but that really helps me understand why she hasn't been addressing the press. She's been holed up in a Hotel room cramming for finals.
If a "quick study" is the answer, then I'd have to give the advantage to Obama based on his academic accomplishments.
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Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God' By GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."
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In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."
Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."
A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.
Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.
"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."
Palin attended the evangelical church from the time she was a teenager until 2002, the church said in a statement posted on its Web site. She has continued to attend special conferences and meetings there. Religious conservatives have welcomed her selection as John McCain's running mate.
Rob Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, lamented Palin's comments.
"I miss the days when pastors delivered sermons and politicians delivered political speeches," he said. "The United States is increasingly diverse religiously. The job of a president is to unify all those different people and bring them together around policy goals, not to act as a kind of national pastor and bring people to God."
The section of the church's Web site where videos of past sermons were posted was shut down Wednesday, and a message was posted saying that the site "was never intended to handle the traffic it has received in the last few days."
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Unbelievable. 3 + pages of discussion about her and no one is willing to cut to the real meat of the issue? I will. See, tonight could very well decide my vote. During her speech, I'm going to see if I can .....umm..... rub one off, so to speak, while watching her. If successful, McCain's got my vote. If not, well then I'm back to being undecided.
Why do you think Mondale didn't win in 1984? Ferraro failed the "winging it" test (yes, I participated) and everyone said screw it and voted for Reagan. Now if Mondale had chosen Dianne Feinstein back then, he'd have won easily because she was still kind of hot. I know I was pulling for her, literally. Believe me, issues are secondary when put up against the possibility of at least 4 years of self gratification material. I think that McCain is the first candidate to recognize it and actually attempt to capture the "wanker" vote.
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Yer a cuttin right straight at the real meat of things, ain'tcha, lad?
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quote:Why is it that the Republican response for Palin's inexperience is: "she a quick study"? Just heard it again from Orin Hatch of Utah. I'm sorry but that really helps me understand why she hasn't been addressing the press. She's been holed up in a Hotel room cramming for finals.
RIDICULOUS!!! I haven't heard a single Republican say that "she's a quick study". I think her lack of indoctrination into the Washington Political Establishment is a PLUS and extremely refreshing! If we had more ordinary citizens in Government instead of the idiot politicians, we'd be a LOT better off!
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Yer a cuttin right straight at the real meat of things, ain'tcha, lad?
Trying to but man, wayyyyyyy too much, well, foreplay I'd guess you'd call it. Almost lost it when Linda Lingle was speaking but then Rudy came on and ruined it. Hopefully I'll know soon.
Posts: 5729 | From: Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: How old are you again Up? lol
Actual physical/chronological age? 49. If I were to be analyzed to determine my maturity level? I'd guess somewhere around 12. Gotta go, busy right now.
Posts: 5729 | From: Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2003
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How cute... Rudy's argument for McCain being Prez is he will protect us from Terrorism... and that is pretty much the only argument he came up with... "the economy isn't as important" he said...
As for Palin:
"Put our country first" - funny, why the f*ck are we in Iraq then? Seems like their country comes first...
Before the Convention and due to her daughters' pregnancy the GOP says the "children" should be offlimits in this campaign.. yet she put them front and center during her speech...
And bringing her newborn childs' condition to get elected is shocking to me... do you think if her son was normal, that parents with children and "special needs" would have a advocate in the White House if she and McCain got elected? Hell no...
And bringing her son and nephews joining military service in Iraq will not make me vote for a person...
Hell, even when Rudy was praising Palin as VP choice, Ole Newt Gingrich didn't clap or look happy about the Rudy's Praise of her... NG is one of those Good Ole Boys...
To me she looked more like she was trying to get elected for the PTA then VP... she kept saying what she did for Alaska and this or that... wake up lady... Washington DC is a totally new ball game...
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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Well, McCain has my vote. All of her rhetoric about drilling and pipelines got the better of me. Time for a cigarette.
Posts: 5729 | From: Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2003
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quote:Why is it that the Republican response for Palin's inexperience is: "she a quick study"? Just heard it again from Orin Hatch of Utah. I'm sorry but that really helps me understand why she hasn't been addressing the press. She's been holed up in a Hotel room cramming for finals.
RIDICULOUS!!! I haven't heard a single Republican say that "she's a quick study". I think her lack of indoctrination into the Washington Political Establishment is a PLUS and extremely refreshing! If we had more ordinary citizens in Government instead of the idiot politicians, we'd be a LOT better off!
Well, once again your lack of research shows. Prior to the evening festivity of this evening, Orin Hatch said those very words on the Charlie Rose show. I have heard the same statement many times in the past few days.
Go out on a limb and look for yourself.
So then in your opinion, John McCain a life long politician shouldn't be president but Sarah Palin should?
Posts: 3255 | From: Los Angeles California | Registered: Jan 2006
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Look, I think Ron Paul should be President but that isnt going to happen in 2008. The next runner up is the McCain/Palin ticket. I just dont trust Obama.
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Mach, I didn't dig the using her newborn child's condition either. If she got in they will still be injecting mercury in with the vaccines.
Upman, your drilling for pipelines had me rollin' you crazy horn dog. Enjoy your smoke!
Posts: 2634 | From: The highway | Registered: Feb 2004
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Ok, I watched the speach and listened intently and here is what I observed:
Dick Chaney in a skirt........same beliefs and platitudes and with the same cockeyed grin when trying to pass off a tremendous lie as fact. (And, I'm sorry, but all that claimed beauty and cuteness is long long gone.)
Posts: 11304 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005
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Dick Cheney in a skirt? I personally think Dick Cheney is almost truly evil in heart. I dont think she is like that. I can see her having her days where she is just a major bit%% but hell what woman isnt like that.
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Then perhaps you should read up more on her... drilling and pipelines probably won't happen or be delayed because the Big Oil companies hate her guts... especially Exxon... As for McCain there was a newspaper article that i agreed with written by a former Vietnam Veteran Navy Seal that was in the NY Post yesterday... oddly enough it is not on their website... oh well if i find it somehow I'll post it...
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