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Oh I'm sure she has three of those "I support the local Sheriff" stickers on her big wheel, as well as one of the new blue bar stickers I see so often. That's action enough.
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Clear undeniable proof of the militarization of local police. Certain rules.. and damned pieces of paper forbid using the military to police the civilians.. How oh how does a police state get around this sort of rule? Turn the local police into the military.
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friggin amazing huh? "Now if somebody wants to sue us, they have an option to sue, but I'm fairly certain that a judge will see it the way the way the citizens see it here," Mayor James Valley said. "The citizens deserve peace, that some infringement on constitutional rights is OK and we have not violated anything as far as the Constitution."
funny how some people just refused to beleive this happens down in these here parts...
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It's only the begining. It's being "Tested" at this point.. If the "Citizens" in that area permit.. or even champion it... It's over.. we'll all be locked in at night and escorted during the day.
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quote:Not all of my efforts were to corral police brutality, some supported working conditions and pay for cops.
Now, don't you feel better? I know I do, and I'm glad to hear that you have supported your local police on occassion!
quote:what the devil have you ever done that wasn't strictly for yourself?
I have worked with the police to help clean up several crime infested areas in my city. My part in this endeavor is to purchase distressed properties and then turn them into clean, safe, low-income housing. In addition, I have spoken at city council meetings in favor of more police on the streets and tougher enforcement for criminals.
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There won't be any need to lock in some, particularly those that died via firing squad for insisting they ha right o not be subject to abuse of police power.
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There won't be any need to lock in some, particularly those that died via firing squad for insisting they ha right o not be subject to abuse of police power.
Yeah absolutely correct. Imagine all the resisting arrest charges that will come from this.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: My part in this endeavor is to purchase distressed properties and then turn them into clean, safe, low-income housing.
So in other words so you can profit from it and not because you care about the conditions of the poor in that neighborhood. To profit from a Gov't program that you condemn but still take $$ from. One word: Hypocrisy.
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quote:We've had people call us, expressing concern for their children," Fielder said. "They had to sleep on the floor, because of stray bullets.
It sounds to me like the citizens were demanding action of the city. When people live in a virtual war zone, the honest citizens DEMAND that THEIR police do something to stop the violence! That's what has happened here, which is much different than the police militarizing for the purpose of controlling ordinary citizens. Surely, the honest citizens of this are have the right to live without the constant threat of bullets flying and threatening their children.
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Surely, the honest citizens of this are have the right to live without the constant threat of bullets flying and threatening their children.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
* The first variant was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly. See Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security." "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." "If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both." "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." "He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither." "Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."
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quote:Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Easy for you to say, sitting safely behind your computer keyboard with no bullets flying through the walls! However, what would YOU say to the citizens who are in danger everyday because criminals and gang bangers have taken over the neighborhood? A lecture on the constitution might be interesting to you, but survival is of more interest to these people.
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"what would YOU say to the citizens who are in danger everyday because criminals and gang bangers have taken over the neighborhood?"
I'd call in the police chief and tell him, "You are fired immediately" and hand him a letter to that effect. The rest of the police force would get similar letters, which would already be in the mail.
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quote:I'd call in the police chief and tell him, "You are fired immediately" and hand him a letter to that effect. The rest of the police force would get similar letters, which would already be in the mail.
That's fine, but how does it help the people that are being terrorized by the criminals and gang bangers? Without police, is it open season on the honest low-income residents of the area? Is that really your solution - do away with the police and let the criminals have free reign?
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"the police" (have already) "let the criminals have free reign".
That IS the problem.
Canning the cops helps because it puts out of work those that allowed and encouraged the criminal element to take control of the city. Without income locally, most will have to leave for other parts or become property managers.
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quote:I'd call in the police chief and tell him, "You are fired immediately" and hand him a letter to that effect. The rest of the police force would get similar letters, which would already be in the mail.
That's fine, but how does it help the people that are being terrorized by the criminals and gang bangers? Without police, is it open season on the honest low-income residents of the area? Is that really your solution - do away with the police and let the criminals have free reign?
Mao had the answer. he cleaned up Chinas criminal element. Stalin tried to clean up the Russian criminal element too, but he forgot himself.
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If you would take a city and only have police protect property. Then it would allow all the drug users/gang bangers to kill themselves....then major crime is cured.
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quote:Originally posted by R1 Man: If you would take a city and only have police protect property. Then it would allow all the drug users/gang bangers to kill themselves....then major crime is cured.
my years repo-ing cars in the Wash DC metro area taught me differently.
there is/was most definitely an organization in the drug communities. it may appear to be chaos from our middle class lives, but it most definitely is not.
in any free society a certain amount of criminal activity will always be present.
in a "non-free" society a certain amount of criminal activity will always be present, the difference is that all the politicians and their direct employees are the criminals...
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quote:Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Easy for you to say, sitting safely behind your computer keyboard with no bullets flying through the walls! However, what would YOU say to the citizens who are in danger everyday because criminals and gang bangers have taken over the neighborhood? A lecture on the constitution might be interesting to you, but survival is of more interest to these people.
Protect yourself. Individual freedom means individual responsibility.
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quote:Protect yourself. Individual freedom means individual responsibility.
Relentless, so is your answer to do away with the police and let survival of the fittest prevail? The only law would be the law of the jungle? By the way, how does a parent protect their children from a drive-by shooting? Bullet proof walls and glass? We're going to need a new entitlement for that. I bet that most low-income people can't afford a bullet proof house!
quote:Canning the cops helps because it puts out of work those that allowed and encouraged the criminal element to take control of the city. Without income locally, most will have to leave for other parts or become property managers.
So, is your solution to do away with the police? Are any laws going to be enforced without a police force or would you just do away with all law?
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quote:Protect yourself. Individual freedom means individual responsibility.
Relentless, so is your answer to do away with the police and let survival of the fittest prevail? The only law would be the law of the jungle? By the way, how does a parent protect their children from a drive-by shooting? Bullet proof walls and glass? We're going to need a new entitlement for that. I bet that most low-income people can't afford a bullet proof house!
quote:Canning the cops helps because it puts out of work those that allowed and encouraged the criminal element to take control of the city. Without income locally, most will have to leave for other parts or become property managers.
So, is your solution to do away with the police? Are any laws going to be enforced without a police force or would you just do away with all law?
Clearly your mental limits bound you away from things, so you can't see into them deeply enough to fathom the their subtlety, leading you to make asinine and false inferences therefrom that only flatter your right wing ego.
quote:Clearly your mental limits bound you away from things, so you can't see into them deeply enough to fathom the their subtlety, leading you to make asinine and false inferences therefrom that only flatter your right wing ego.
Sorry, Bdgee, I don't speak gibberish. I was asking for your solution to the problem of these poor people who are being terrorized by criminals and gang bangers. Is your only solution to get rid of the police? Do you really think that will help these people? Please reply in English.
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quote:you constantly respond to posts here with statements that have not been made by other people as if they made them..
Wrong again. I ASKED Bdgee a question, I didn't make a statement. Furthermore, I was asking his (and Relentless's) opinion on this situation. Why is it that you lefties can't say what you really think? If you think the police should be abolished, then say so. If you think that no laws should be enforced, then say so. Why all the disguising of your positions?
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Sorry, Bdgee, I don't speak gibberish.
You mat not speak it.. but you sure do type it. Bdgee's reply was flawlessly formed and delivered. If you are not able to decipher it into whatever babble based lingo you speak.. well then that's on you.
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PM, you say you support the right to own a firearm.. yet you haven't the wit to know why. You say you support individual rights and responsibilities... yet you haven't the wit to know what they are or why they are.
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quote:you constantly respond to posts here with statements that have not been made by other people as if they made them..
Wrong again. I ASKED Bdgee a question, I didn't make a statement. Furthermore, I was asking his (and Relentless's) opinion on this situation. Why is it that you lefties can't say what you really think? If you think the police should be abolished, then say so. If you think that no laws should be enforced, then say so. Why all the disguising of your positions?
please show me where budge suggested we get rid of the police, or anybody else here suggested it for that matter.
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quote:PM, you say you support the right to own a firearm.. yet you haven't the wit to know why. You say you support individual rights and responsibilities... yet you haven't the wit to know what they are or why they are.
I carry a handgun everyday. It's for self-protection. However, the question is what your advocating to help the citizens who are being terrorized by criminals and gang bangers? Do you advocate getting rid of the police? Do you advocate each citizen carrying a gun to protect themselves from the criminals and gang bangers? How does a handgun protect you from some moron in a drive-by shooting?
I'm just trying to get a straight answer from either you or bdgee. If you're unwilling to provide your solution or if you don't have one, that's fine (and I'm not surprised).
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I do not advocate "getting rid of" cops. I'm not advocating anything for those "Terrorized" citizens. They should protect themselves however they want... gun.. knife.. bare hands.. how's about an extra helping of self assuredness? You'd be amazed what self confidence alone can do to thwart attack from some roid raging moron. The right to keep and bare arms is in place for this very reason. The founders knew that if man farmed out that responsibility to the government they would never get it back, as well as that government supplied security being all but worthless. What you have in that town is a clear example of what happens when the citizens do NOT arm themselves.. do not fight back... no nothing but ***** and moan about it being someone else's responsibility to protect them. Lazy cowardly morons get no sympathy from me.
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quote:you constantly respond to posts here with statements that have not been made by other people as if they made them..
Wrong again. I ASKED Bdgee a question, I didn't make a statement. Furthermore, I was asking his (and Relentless's) opinion on this situation. Why is it that you lefties can't say what you really think? If you think the police should be abolished, then say so. If you think that no laws should be enforced, then say so. Why all the disguising of your positions?
No, glass is not wrong.
You did exactly what glass said you did, which is somehow, in your confused little mind, believed to a technique showing some sort of one-up-man-ship in debate. It isn't. It is simply stupid an insulting.
I said exactly what I think. You admit you cannot follow the English. That seems to be a frequent difficulty you have with thing others say. Do I detect problem here?
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