quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: So since you have just refused to turn in your druggie friends we can now assume you are guilty of aiding and abetting presumed criminals.
you know it just occurred to me that you have to have at least three friends to statistaiclly cover the 42%... maybe he really doesn't have any druggie friends...
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quote:i just posted you facts that doctors are drug abusers/addicts at the same rate as the rest of society which is about 14%... you aren't very observant.
Clearly, you didn't take a course in logic in college. Even if doctors take drugs at the same rate as society in general, that does not mean that other middle and upper class people do. In fact, I would be willing to bet that nurses are affected at a higher rate also. Having said that, it is not disputable that people in the ghetto take drugs at a MUCH HIGHER rate than the general population. To claim otherwise is simply nonsensical and a blatant lie.
P.S. The rabbit isn't a druggie either.
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PM, are you telling us you took a logic course in college?
It doesn't show.
I took more than one logic course in college an even taught logic in college.
Well, let me point out that your arguments don't show any facility in logic.
For example, when you state
"In fact, I would be willing to bet that nurses are affected at a higher rate also. Having said that, it is not disputable that people in the ghetto take drugs at a MUCH HIGHER rate than the general population."
You declare that either (1) that what you gamble on or (2) what you believe to be true "is not disputable". There is NO LOGICAL basis for such conclusion.
I don't think, if you took a course in logic, it took! (At least I can't detect any evidence that it did.)
Your beliefs are yours and you have every right to them, however right or wrong they may be, but don't keep on insisting that belief (yours, mine, or whoever's) constitutes either truth or logic or right (as opposed to wrong). That's both childish and arrogant at best.
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quote:As for cops not being criminals according to him:
RIDICULOUS! So, your claim is that because a few cops are criminals, that's the norm? Show me where I ever said that not a single cop is a criminal. Cops are just people (our neighbors) and a few of them will do stupid things. However, that certainly doesn't change the fact that the vast majority are just people doing a tough job on our behalf and that they get nothing but disrepect from you and the wacko left. You just don't get it - the police work for you!
If the police have harassing people as their sole objective, how is it that I have gotten through more than 40 years of life and have never been harassed by the cops? NEVER been illegally searched? NEVER had the police raid my house? NEVER had the police demand my travel papers! You guys have simply lost touch with reality.
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yep....its us!! we're the ones that have lost touch..I knew it!Remember Serpico?..I'm sure all of that corruption nonsense has been cleaned up and the cops are one , big, squeky clean, law-abiding, protection agency.
golly,gee-whiz...we're not in Kansas anymore,Toto
PMS = slum-lord..sec 8 abuser and user..people hater...a little insane maybe>...nut-job?...
quote:As for cops not being criminals according to him:
RIDICULOUS! So, your claim is that because a few cops are criminals, that's the norm? Show me where I ever said that not a single cop is a criminal. Cops are just people (our neighbors) and a few of them will do stupid things. However, that certainly doesn't change the fact that the vast majority are just people doing a tough job on our behalf and that they get nothing but disrepect from you and the wacko left. You just don't get it - the police work for you!
If the police have harassing people as their sole objective, how is it that I have gotten through more than 40 years of life and have never been harassed by the cops? NEVER been illegally searched? NEVER had the police raid my house? NEVER had the police demand my travel papers! You guys have simply lost touch with reality.
I am not saying that every cop is a criminal nor the Norm, mentally challenged one. By the examples I gave I am showing that they can be criminals with a badge. Unlike you who tends to deny this, hold them up to a pedestal and the ones I have shown have done more then just "stupid things". Working for the Mob and being responsible for 8 hits? Tampering with evidence? Planting evidence? Robbing drug dealers of money and drugs to resell? etc.. Cops are politicians... the power gets to their heads...
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quote:As for cops not being criminals according to him:
RIDICULOUS! So, your claim is that because a few cops are criminals, that's the norm? Show me where I ever said that not a single cop is a criminal. Cops are just people (our neighbors) and a few of them will do stupid things. However, that certainly doesn't change the fact that the vast majority are just people doing a tough job on our behalf and that they get nothing but disrepect from you and the wacko left. You just don't get it - the police work for you!
If the police have harassing people as their sole objective, how is it that I have gotten through more than 40 years of life and have never been harassed by the cops? NEVER been illegally searched? NEVER had the police raid my house? NEVER had the police demand my travel papers! You guys have simply lost touch with reality.
we've been posting these links for weeks now and you have obviously been reading them...
you most definitely told us that cops never do anything wrong and all druggies are poor and look like druggies etc. etc... i posted that bankers are involved in the drug trade awhile back and you somehow decided i was saying your banker was a money launderer as if i am supposed to know who your banker is...
as for how it is that you've gotten thru life without any hassles by the cops? i suggest you retake logic 101. just because you are in the middle of the Death Vally doesn't mean there's no water in California....
this incident below happened just last week, and the COPS delivered the package themselves after discovering it at a different location...this could easily happen to you... especially if you piss off the wrong dope dealer... that was always one of the things i was careful of when i had my repo biz... it only takes a couple of $$$ to ruin your life, not the 30 pounds that was in this box
Berwyn Heights, MD Drug Raid Update: Cops Didn't Have a No-Knock Warrant
It now appears that the entire raid on Berwyn Heights, Maryland Mayor Cheye Calvo may have been illegal. Last week, police stormed Calvo's home without knocking, shot and killed his two black labs, and questioned him and his mother-in-law at gunpoint over a delivered package of marijuana that police now concede may have been intended for someone else.
The Washington Post reports that the police didn't even bother to get a no-knock warrant, which means the tactics they used were illegal:
A Prince George's police spokesman said last week that a Sheriff's Office SWAT team and county police narcotics officers were operating under such a [no-knock] warrant when they broke down the door of Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo, shooting and killing his black Labrador retrievers.
But a review of the warrant indicates that police neither sought nor received permission from Circuit Court Judge Albert W. Northrup to enter without knocking. Northrup found probable cause to suspect that drugs might be in the house and granted police a standard search warrant.
"There's nothing in the four corners of the warrant saying anything about the Calvos being a threat to law enforcement," said Calvo's attorney, Timothy Maloney. "This was a lawless act by law enforcement."
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has given the police leeway to disregard the knock-and-announce requirement. In June 2006, the Court ruled in Hudson v. Michigan that evidence seized in raids in which police fail to properly observe the knock-and-announce rule isn't subject to the Exclusionary Rule. Justice Scalia assured us that there's a "new professionalism" taking root in police departments across the country today, rendering the Exclusionary Rule in such cases unnecessary.
new professionalism my azz...
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He was ****ing asking for it.. served him right.. scumbag... criminal.. How dare he be mayor.. and.. umm.. HE DESERVED IT.. cause.. he.. umm They planted what? umm well then that changes.. umm AMERICA!!!! **** YEAH!!!!
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Something else about this tale of heroism by brave policemen has been bothering me.
I don't put much stock in the wisdom and real world experience of news reporters, who seem, generally, to be people that chose to grow up actively avoiding getting much knowledge about things non-journalistic, but even among them, there must be at least one that has enough knowledge of the fundamental nature of various canine types to have questioned the claim of the cops involved in this mess that any single Labrador retriever might be able to act aggressively towrd a human being, let alone two.
And, if some cop truly thought a lab was aggressive and he was thereby in danger, someone should be questioning that particular cop's suitability to be serving the public in ANY capacity that allows him to go about armed.
Clearly, the cops, the ones actually involved and the others claiming those at the scene are telling the truth are lying, thus, everything they have said about the incident should be cast well beyond being just in doubt. Those guys need to be charged with a serious crimes that assure serious jail time, both for the action and for the cover-up after the fact.
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prince Georges County Police have a long history of really screwing up:
this sounds alot like PM's statement about the dead girl being at fault instead of the guy whose finger was on the trigger....
Interrogation Problems Caught on Video in Md.
By Ruben Castaneda Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, October 27, 2003; Page B01
While interrogating murder suspect Richard B. Gater last year, a Prince George's County police detective went beyond the bounds of lawful questioning and engaged in coercion, according to a judge's opinion.
As Gater, now 20, sat in an interrogation room in late December with a video camera running, Detective Tim Codero warned him that if he did not tell police where to find the gun used in a killing several days earlier, heavily armed officers could raid the home of Gater's ailing mother and possibly slam her on the ground and handcuff her as they looked for the weapon, according to the videotape.
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GREENVILLE COUNTY, S.C. -- An 18-year-old was punched in the face 13 times by a deputy police officer, whose dashboard video camera caught the incident on tape, WYFF Channel 4 News reported. Advertisement
The video shows undercover Deputy Brian Tollison pulling over a truck driven by a drug suspect and beating the teenage driver while what appears to be a back-up deputy held down him down.
Once back-up deputies arrived, 18-year-old Jeremy Rucker was pulled out of the truck and tasered and kicked while lying prone on the ground.
Sheriff Steve Loftis fired Tollison, who also faces criminal charges for the incident, which took place May 15.
"The fact that Deputy Tollison took his closed fist and struck the suspect in the face 13 times in my opinion was excessive," Loftis said.
The other deputies involved have not been charged.
The Greenville County Sheriff's Department said that Rucker had fled from police and resisted arrest, but had "calmed down" when Tollison started hitting him.
Rucker's attorney, Karl Allen, said his client was sitting in his truck talking on his phone when the undercover deputies approached him.
"Then they have the audacity, to treat this man as if he's a piece of meat and Taser him with electrical jolts to his body and then, that's not enough," Allen said. "They kick three times to the torso."
Police charged Rucker with drug possession and resisting arrest, though drugs were not found on him until he was taken into custody.
Rucker's beating is one of several recent examples of police brutality.
Police tasered an injured teen from Ozark, Missouri up to 19 times after he fell from a highway overpass in late July.
The 16-year-old had broken his back and heel when the officers began tasering him.
In another bizarre instance of police violence, a 66-year-old minister was tasered and beaten by hospital security guards for what he claims was a joke.
In that incident, hospital security cameras caught five officers kicking Rev. Al Poisson on the ground for at least five minutes.
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A reverend claims security guards dragged him out of a Toledo, Ohio hospital and tasered and beat him because he told a joke, CBS reported Friday.
Rev. Al Poisson said he was visiting the hospital to see a man who had been injured while Poisson was shopping with his 6-year-old grandson. According to the reverend, an innocent joke about the lack of a smile on a guard's face led to a beating.
Security cameras caught the incident on camera and show at least five officers surrounding a man laying on the floor and beating him.
"It wound up being an atrocious, unbelievable situation, to say the least," the 66-year-old minister said.
"They've cut about five minutes of this video out," Poisson said, describing the length of time he was kicked on the ground by one of the younger guards.
St. Vincent Mercy Medical Center issued a statement defending the guards' actions which said "the response to the aggression was appropriate."
The hospital pressed charges against Poisson for assault that were eventually thrown out of court, Poisson said.
Poisson is filing a lawsuit with his lawyer Stevin Groth.
"We're going to use the American justice system, put this in front of a jury and let them decide what's appropriate," Groth said.
This video is from CBS Early Show, broadcast July 25, 2008.
quote:you most definitely told us that cops never do anything wrong
That's a blatant lie. I have NEVER said that cops never do anything wrong. Show me where I said that!!! There are millions of cops in this country. To say that cops NEVER do anything wrong would be ridiculous! However, to say that the majority of cops are dirty or are out to get you is equally ridiculous. The vast majority cops are good people who are doing their best at a difficult job.
quote:i posted that bankers are involved in the drug trade awhile back and you somehow decided i was saying your banker was a money launderer as if i am supposed to know who your banker is...
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that some banker somewhere is involved in drugs? If so, I agree. If you're saying that the majority of bankers are involved in the drug trade, I say that it is RIDICULOUS!
quote:you most definitely told us that cops never do anything wrong
That's a blatant lie. I have NEVER said that cops never do anything wrong. Show me where I said that!!! There are millions of cops in this country. To say that cops NEVER do anything wrong would be ridiculous! However, to say that the majority of cops are dirty or are out to get you is equally ridiculous. The vast majority cops are good people who are doing their best at a difficult job.
quote:i posted that bankers are involved in the drug trade awhile back and you somehow decided i was saying your banker was a money launderer as if i am supposed to know who your banker is...
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that some banker somewhere is involved in drugs? If so, I agree. If you're saying that the majority of bankers are involved in the drug trade, I say that it is RIDICULOUS!
Mike
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posted July 23, 2008 22:33 "The police work for us - the local citizenry - not the federal government. While a big conspiracy is fun to talk about, the police are not part of it. They are out there, every day, doing a difficult job dealing with the worst our society has to offer. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt."
the police. not most police...
you told US to ignore any mistakes they might make too...
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There are millions of cops in this country.
not in the US:
Summary findings
In 2004 there were more than 800,000 full-time sworn law enforcement officers in the United States Type of agency Number of agencies Number of full-time sworn officers Total 836,787 All State and local 17,876 731,903 Local police 12,766 446,974 Sheriff 3,067 175,018 Primary State 49 58,190 Special jurisdiction 1,481 49,398 Constable/Marshal 513 2,323 Federal* 104,884
* 16% of state police agencies require a two-year college degree, * 4% require a four-year degree. * 13% of county police agencies require a two-year degree * 9% of local agencies require a two-year degree * 2% require a four-year degree.
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One interesting way to understand what is going on is to watch an old episode of C.O.P.S. Then watch one that is recent. Amazing difference in the level of militarization. Obviously the whole show is propaganda/social conditioning... but the other thing that it does is give a stark contrast to what used to be the norm.
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Years ago, I decided that, were I in position to do so, I would make it illegal for any police, individually or collectively, to hold or conduct any ceremony that is done in a military fashion and I would make it illegal for a policemen to wear his or her uniform except while in route to or from work or while actually at work.
What Rel points out is real.
Someone needs to get it through he heads of cops that thy are there to handle "Civil" law not "martial" law and that they act officilly "under" the authority of the citizenry, not the other way around. I am sick and tired of hearing cops claim to be using using police power to protect themselves. Those powers do not exist for them to use for themselves.
(I know it is complete lie when any of them use the excuse that they had to kill a Lab to protect themselves or justify such acts as protecting themselves.)
To the cops that tell me they aren't hearing Muslims condemning terorist, I suggest you begin to loudly and repeatedly voice the truth bout your brethren that kill dogs and beat the hell out of people just because you can. Until you do so uniformly and unanimously, you are nothing more polluting dangerous trash in our society. If you want respect, earn it.
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Sheriff groped me, deputy testifies Deputy says sheriff stuck his "hand down my pants" at uniform fitting Testimony came during preliminary hearing for Custer County Sheriff Mike Burgess Burgess also accused of having inappropriate sexual contact with other women
ARAPAHO, Oklahoma (AP) -- A former sheriff groped a deputy and grabbed her buttocks several times while she was employed at his office, the deputy testified Tuesday.
Jennifer Tyler, now a deputy sheriff in Washington state, said that before her first day of the job, Custer County Sheriff Mike Burgess put his hand down the back of her trousers and touched her waistline and buttocks during a uniform fitting.
"It's degrading to have someone who just hired you to stick his hands down your pants," Tyler said.
She also testified on the first day of a preliminary hearing on charges that Burgess had inappropriate sexual contact with women he oversaw in the county's drug court program. He faces 35 felony charges, including 14 counts of second-degree rape, seven counts of forcible oral sodomy and five counts of bribery by a public official.
Tyler said she told her husband but did not report the incidents to anyone in the sheriff's office.
"Why didn't you turn around and knock him out right there?" defense attorney Tim Henderson asked.
Tyler responded: "I needed a job."
Burgess, 55, faces up to 467 years in prison if convicted on all counts. His attorney, Steve Huddleston of Oklahoma City, has said Burgess is eager to go to court and clear his name. Burgess resigned in April.
Special prosecutor James Boring is expected to present evidence of allegations by 12 former jail inmates that sheriff's employees had them engage in wet T-shirt contests and offered cigarettes to those who would flash their breasts.
The a federal lawsuit filed last year claims Burgess threatened to send a drug court participant to prison if she didn't comply with his sexual demands and gave special status to another after she agreed to perform a sex act on him.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
quote:Someone needs to get it through he heads of cops that thy are there to handle "Civil" law not "martial" law and that they act officilly "under" the authority of the citizenry, not the other way around.
Bdgee,
That is exactly the way the system works now. What happens to cops that act outside their authority? Answer: they get fired; sued; and sometimes sent to jail. The system works.
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This subject matter is clearly outside your field of vision. We do not expect anything that isn't among the RNC's standard "talking points" from you, on this or any other topic.
The "system" been skewed to the point of being un-American by the republican hate machine.
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I didn't even know the RNC had talking points about the police. Do you understand that your local police are just ordinary people, living in your local community? Do you understand that YOU elect your local sheriff and that we (the people) have control over our local police and sheriff?
If you guys don't like the way YOUR local police is behaving, what have you done to change things? Are you just talkers or do you actually get involved? Just yesterday, I was at the police station talking to one of the police captains about getting a crack house busted. The crack house is on the same street where I own several buildings and is a nuisance. The point is that you can GET INVOLVED and actually make a difference. Or, you could just continue to whine and moan on an internet forum about how the world is so unfair. Boo Hoo!
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"If you guys don't like the way YOUR local police is behaving, what have you done to change things?"
There is an assumption there that is insulting.
So now you are claiming to do more than everyone else and laying the blame for the misdeeds of cops on that assumed lack of participation by us.
You constantly make assumptions to suit your prejudices and with absolutely no hint of any basis in fact.
You really are so dim you cannot see the failures of logic in your bigoted attacks. And then there is th fine art of self preservation to consider.
Cops always act nice and respectful to those that they see as intent on smoozing their egos, but they get all het-up and POed and want to show off their "police power" should anyone fail to see things their way. They don't recognize criticism (positive or negative) as anything but an opportunity for them to to hurt someone. Why don't you go back to brown-nosing cops an leave the thinking to people that can and will.
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I guess the answer to my question is that you have done NOTHING to change things, except whine and moan on an internet forum. If you actually want to change things, you might try becoming politically involved.
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Your notion that, out of ignorance on your part, it is acceptable to assume activity or the lack on the part of other, thus allowing you to draw false conclusions to fit your prejudices is insulting, at least.
More than that, it is illogical and leads you to false conclusions you should be ashamed of. It is rude and to continue it after it has been pointed out is crude and asinine.
I suspect you actually have no idea how childish and ineffective your patterns of argument are. That is no excuse!
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So, Bdgee, what exactly have YOU done to stop the terrible abuse of power that you feel the police are engaging in? Have you led a protest? Spoke out at a city council meeting? Filed a lawsuit against the police? What have YOU done?
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What a shock, cops kill a few people and aren't charged!!!! PM, c'mon, defend this you POS.
Charges dismissed against police in post-Katrina shootings Judge: State improperly used forced testimony to indict officers Two killed, four others injured in New Orleans shooting days after Hurricane Katrina State to appeal dismissal of charges
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- A judge dismissed all charges Wednesday against six police officers and a former officer who'd been accused of shooting unarmed civilians, two of them fatally, at a New Orleans bridge days after Hurricane Katrina.
In dismissing the charges, Criminal District Judge Raymond Bigelow said three of the defendants were forced to testify before the grand jury that went on to indict them and the other four.
State law says that "no testimony or other information compelled under the order, or any information directly or indirectly derived from such testimony or other information, may be used against the witness in any criminal case," the judge noted.
The judge said he reached "the inescapable conclusion that the state improperly used the testimony of these officers to indict them as well as the others."
He also cited testimony in which a police lieutenant said he had been shown one of the defendant's grand jury testimony.
The state plans to appeal, the clerk of the court said.
The shootings of September 4, 2005, the Sunday after Hurricane Katrina struck, killed two men and wounded four other people who were were trying to evacuate by crossing the Danziger Bridge over the Industrial Canal.
The officers had gone to the bridge because of reports that rescue workers heard gunfire and an officer had been wounded.
Police said officers shot only after being shot at, though some evidence contradicted that assertion.
Killed were Ronald Madison, 40, and James Brissette, 19.
Bigelow threw out indictments against Sgts. Kenneth Bowen and Robert Gisevius Jr., Officer Anthony Villavaso II and former Officer Robert Faulcon Jr., who were facing first-degree murder and attempted murder charges.
Bigelow also threw out attempted first-degree murder charges against Officers Mike Hunter Jr. and Robert Barrios and attempted second-degree murder charges against Officer Ignatius Hills.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: So, Bdgee, what exactly have YOU done to stop the terrible abuse of power that you feel the police are engaging in? Have you led a protest? Spoke out at a city council meeting? Filed a lawsuit against the police? What have YOU done?
You are losing the argument... as usual.. you are out of points.. so now in an effort to distract from that reality, you are trying to prove a negative by claiming inaction on the complainant's part? I'm not sure it's going to work for you.. but what the heck.. give it a shot. I won't tell anyone.
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quote:Police said officers shot only after being shot at, though some evidence contradicted that assertion.
You see, once again, you have decided that the police are guilty without them even being tried. The police went to the bridge because of reports of gunfire and an officer had been wounded. The police shot some people and you automatically assume that they murdered them. Go figure!
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quote:Police said officers shot only after being shot at, though some evidence contradicted that assertion.
You see, once again, you have decided that the police are guilty without them even being tried. The police went to the bridge because of reports of gunfire and an officer had been wounded. The police shot some people and you automatically assume that they murdered them. Go figure!
but had an officer actaully been wounded? it should have read differently ...
the cops testimony seemed to implicate them, but it was thrown out because (like everybody else) they cannot be compelled to testify against themselves...
not sure how you use a rumor to excuse them for allegedly shooting unarmed civilians (the charges brought by the State)
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I have "participated" in several actions against police brutality and prisoner abuse, leading to a number of courts decisions not in favor of the cops, two of which were federal court decisions that have become precedents.
Not all of my efforts were to corral police brutality, some supported working conditions and pay for cops.
Now, Mr. Hero, by your own assessment, since you have run your jay-bird mouth , as usual, what the devil have you ever done that wasn't strictly for yourself?
Oh, never mind, we already know the facts. You haven't done anything anywhere anytime that isn't crap left for somone else to clean up.
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