Let's just build a space station on the moon, send all the criminals currently in prisons here up there.
Then the O2, and gravity accidently fail while the doors for some unknown reason all open up, and the space station is purged of all unnessasary waste.
quote:You are yet again assuming that we the people are bad. You are assuming that we the people need to be controlled by the government.
You're kidding, right? Obviously, there is a percentage of the population that is simply evil. It is not a high percentage, but in a country of 350 million people, it's still a LOT (millions) of people. Yes, these people do need to be controlled by the government. More precisely, they need to be thrown in prison by the government, to protect the rest of us.
Along with freedom comes responsibility (although I know that's something the left doesn't understand). Freedom doesn't mean that some criminal scumbag can violate my rights.
The responsibility of freedom is an individual one. Freedom is NOT outsourcing the responsibility aspect out to an uncontrollabe government or any other entity. You say you support the 2nd ammendment yet you haven't the wit to know that your every utterence weakens it. You say you want freedom then are too lazy to stand for it when a cheap imposter offers itself. Truly sad that this is the so-called voting class.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Brazil looks good to me, except i don't speaks da portagee yet...
LOL, Glass, lived there for a couple of years. If you think the poor\rich divide is huge here, wait till you get there. Also, the 'money makes the world go around' is law.
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"How can anyone possibly argue against that!'
Pease, ain'tcha forgettin 'bout Georgia and Australia? Just like then, make it legal to ostracize from society and ya end up getting folks ostracized for being every kind of non-criminal difference from whatever is the current bent of political correctness too.
Deep within the bowels of the Constitution there supposed to be a guarantee that a person shouldn't be tossed out of society short anything but absolute proof that no other thing is possible, no matter if I like him and what he does or doesn't do or if you do or don't.
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Your idea about cclonies for criminals is not new.
Under the right conditions it may work. But what you folks are saying it is down right fascist.
I have thought this over time and time again and man has never done or thought of anything to keep crime out of society. And that includes just plain killing criminals.
You can kill every criminal in the country and in ten years they would be back with a different face but most likley a lot tougher.
If you have an idea with real merit let me know I will make sure you get the credit
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quote:The responsibility of freedom is an individual one. Freedom is NOT outsourcing the responsibility aspect out to an uncontrollabe government or any other entity. You say you support the 2nd ammendment yet you haven't the wit to know that your every utterence weakens it. You say you want freedom then are too lazy to stand for it when a cheap imposter offers itself.
What are you trying (unsuccessfully) to say? Do you think that criminals should be allowed to refuse to be arrested? Do you think we should do away with the police and allow chaos to rule? Unlike those that are just TALKING about freedom, I have actually led groups against the local government running amuck.
However, in the case of these people being tazered, I'm all for it. Without the police being able to arrest people, our entire criminal justice system would fall apart and chaos would prevail.
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Listen...most of you know that I am sympathetic to the job police have to do. I know some very good cops, and I know some not-so-good.
What it all amounts to is the cops have authority over the general populace, and given the fact that everyone has opinions and biases, it is reasonable to assume that there are some that abuse that authority.
What really needs to happen is circular oversight. If it is the job of the police to watch over the populace then conversely the populace should be watching over the police to assure that this authority is being applied appropriately.
While there would need to be exceptions, the best way for this circular oversight would be for any 'on-duty' officer to be equipped with a camera that records all activity during a shift. No blind spots where it is he said she said and the knowledge that actions will not be kept private influencing decisions.
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What are you trying (unsuccessfully) to say? Do you think that criminals should be allowed to refuse to be arrested?
LOL... why was the pregnant lady arrested again?
(BTW) i understood what he was saying, so maybe the lack of success is in your comprehension and not his communication
i am sure that laws vary from state to state, but not signing a ticket is a BS reason to arrest anybody.
the procedue as i understand it is that she is still liable to pay the ticket or appear in court. failure to do so results in a bench warrant. at which time? she would THEN be arrested.
but the cops are not the judicial system.
you are actually a perfect example of the problem this country faces.
you don't understand who has which repsonsibilities...
you just want to pick a side and let everybody on "your side" do whatever they please...
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PM I did not offer any remedy or cure you have been very forward in you opinions all I said is if you have an idea with merit I will listen and pass it thru with you name attached.
As for the fascist coment I made is so. Sending people of any mould to a place where they could be gased or cut off there O2 is certainly the type of solution of a fascist as far as our history's M.O. is.
And I did not point anybody out or single anyone.
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“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator”
Adolf Hitler quote
“Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.”
Adolf Hitler quote
“The art of leadership. . . consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. . . .”
Adolf Hitler quote
“Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice”
Adolf Hitler quote
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It is bluntly obvious that you are unable to distinguish between what others say and what you want to believe or claim they say. Your every argument (for most I would used the term debate, but you intend to anger and insult rather than inform, so what you provide is not debate) amounts to nothing more than vicious insulting, name calling, and (intentional) mislabeling of prejudice as fact. I won't watch closely for the day that you finally speak of something in some positive way that isn't, instinctively, fascist and hateful, as it is clear that, if ever that occurs, it will come as a result of a typo or misidentification you have made but don't recognize and, thus, is prone to immediate correction by you to return to your norm. You really are so wrapped in a cloak of hate and meanness that you cannot contemplate that it is yours that is the abnormal mode and that, generally and mostly, others do not base their ever philosophical or religious conclusion on selfish gain.
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quote:you are actually a perfect example of the problem this country faces.
you don't understand who has which repsonsibilities...
Quite the contrary, I understand EXACTLY what each person's responsibilities were. Very simply, they were to follow the law. If the law says that the woman must sign the ticket, then she must sign it. If the cop's job was to arrest the motorist for not signing the ticket, then he should do so. If the woman resisted arrest, then being tasered is perfectly appropriate. It's you on the left that don't understand anything except making excuses for criminals.
Welcome back BDGEE. As usual, I won't reply to your 3rd grade nonsense. I was hoping that you might have graduated to the 4th grade during your absence, but I see you still aren't there! Keep trying.
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If the woman resisted arrest, then being tasered is perfectly appropriate.
LOL. once again you miss the point, she was not convicted of resisting arrest...
and there's more to the story...
A federal judge says a civil-rights lawsuit against three Seattle police officers can go to trial next month, ruling that the officers used excessive force when they Tasered a pregnant woman who refused to sign a traffic ticket in 2004.
U.S. District Judge Richard Jones ruled that a lawsuit filed against the officers by Malaika Brooks can go to trial July 7. The judge, however, dismissed the city, the Police Department and Chief Gil Kerlikowske from the lawsuit, saying there is insufficient evidence to show the incident sprang from improper training or the negligence of policymakers.
Jones noted in his ruling that he must consider the evidence in a light most favorable to Brooks but points out that there is little dispute about the facts surrounding the November 2004 traffic stop that led to the incident: Brooks, 34, was stopped for speeding in a school zone. When she refused to sign the citation the officers decided to arrest her.
When voice commands didn't work, court documents show, they used a "pain compliance" hold on her arm. When that didn't work, Officer Donald Jones jolted the woman with a Taser three times "in rapid succession." Brooks was seven months pregnant at the time.
Brooks, he said, "weighs something like 240 pounds."
"How long are the officers supposed to wait around?" he asked.
In their court filings, the officers argued they were concerned that Brooks might drive away and injure the officers or others.
The judge pointed out, however, that one of the officers swore in a declaration that he had reached into the car and taken the keys from the ignition.
tasers are being abused as tools of convenience...
"time saving devices" like cattle prods....
Moreover, the officers were not in a life-and-death situation where they had to make a split-second decision. "Using a Taser to inflict extreme pain to effect the arrest ... of a nonviolent pregnant woman already under police control is a Fourth Amendment violation," the judge wrote.
Mike Carter: 206-464-3706 or mcarter*seattletimes.com
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Minneapolis police: A mistake, an apology and then medals
By RODRIGO ZAMITH, Star Tribune
Last update: July 30, 2008 - 5:27 AM
Tsi Meng, 6, was one of six children in the house during the shootout.
David Joles, Star Tribune
First, the city apologized. Then it gave awards.
Eight Minneapolis officers received medals in City Hall Monday for their valor in a botched raid that the city apologized for last year. That isn't sitting well with the family shot at multiple times by the officers.
"I'm shocked that they're receiving awards for that night," said Yee Moua. "My family is a mess right now. My [9-year-old] son, who saw the shooting, still has nightmares and has needed therapy. They've ruined a life, and I don't understand why they would get rewarded for that."
The awards stemmed from a high-risk search in December. The eight officers -- who had SWAT training -- entered the house expecting to find a violent gang member. Instead, they found Vang Khang, a 35-year-old homeowner who thought he was being robbed. Khang shot through his bedroom door at the officers until he understood who they were.
In the midst of the shootout were Moua, who is Khang's wife, and their six children, who range in age from 3 to 15. Moua said her family has since abandoned the house and can no longer afford to keep it.
Minneapolis police spokesman Sgt. William Palmer said Tuesday the department has acknowledged the raid was a mistake and has apologized to the family. But he said the officers "performed very bravely under gunfire and made smart decisions."
Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan said that he knew giving the award might get negative attention but that "we've never not recognized an officer shot in the line of duty."
Three officers received shrapnel damage to body armor and their ballistic helmets, Palmer said. Khang’s family counted 22 bullet holes
somebody got lucky. missing 22 times is pretty hard...
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: [QUOTE] Welcome back BDGEE. As usual, I won't reply to your 3rd grade nonsense. I was hoping that you might have graduated to the 4th grade during your absence, but I see you still aren't there! Keep trying.
How splendid that would be! Then we wouldn't have to be putting up with your third grade egomania and second rate excuse for rationality. (Of course, we all know you are lying and have every intention of loosing your sphincter in order to display your true nature and thoughts.)
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Good to see you back in normal form Bdgee. You will be disappointed to hear that PM will not be able to answer your reply tonight as she, as does every other twelve year old girl, has a set bed time and is no longer allowed to play on mommy's computer. Now there is always a clause to this rule... Perhaps this is one of the five nights a week her mommy is at the bars.. Then of course we will see PM here in all her pre-teen glory trying to sound grown up.
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"missing the innocent family 12 times, and saving the City from a wrongful death lawsuit. i woulda missed e'm all 15 times, but my magazine fell out when i accidentally thumbed the release in all the excitement"
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: “I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator”
Adolf Hitler quote
“Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.”
Adolf Hitler quote
“The art of leadership. . . consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. . . .”
Adolf Hitler quote
“Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice”
Adolf Hitler quote
Oddly enough this sounds somewhat like SF as well but definetly like PMS...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Brazil looks good to me, except i don't speaks da portagee yet...
LOL, Glass, lived there for a couple of years. If you think the poor\rich divide is huge here, wait till you get there. Also, the 'money makes the world go around' is law.
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Been drinking Relentless?
No, but I have!
If the woman resisted arrest, then being tasered is perfectly appropriate.
WTF! There was an officer AND his supervisor against one pregnant lady who didn't wanna let go of her steering wheel. I coulda got her out of that car physically myself if I needed to and I don't have half the training those guys supposedly do. I support the Tazer but not for stupid **** like this!
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It is amazing to me that you lefties have so little understanding of right and wrong. If we are to have law and order in this country, then the police MUST have the authority to arrest people. If people resist arrest, there must be a way for the police to apprehend. Is it safer to fight a pregnant woman or to taser her? According to the text above, this woman weighed about 240!!! If she was resisting arrest, she could have been a handful, even for two men. Fighting and wrestling her out of the car and to the ground could easily have harmed the baby.
I think the police did the right thing. I also wonder why you lefties are ALWAYS on the side of the criminal?
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Thick as a brick!..the thing is!?...she's not a criminal!!!the only thing these SS cops are doing is causing a general uproar against their tactics!..You cant treat ordinary folks,who refuse to sign a ticket!???, into hardcore criminals! If you delve into it and scrutinize peoples every move?,we ALL do things against some law... ...
You are little more than pissin in the ocean trying to improve the thought process of that bozo. Hell, you have to be both willing and able think before you can improve the thought process.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: please elaborate. this is one of those jokes right?
cuz the hardest labor jobs always pay the least.
of course this is changing but only because most people seem to be getting pretty soft...
Hard work doesn't have to mean physically difficult, Glass. It just means giving it the extra effort. No matter what you do for a living. All of those listed in Mach link didn't get where they were by doing the 9 to 5 and going home to spend the night drinking beer and watching the Simpsons reruns.
They worked their tails off.
It doesn't matter if it's taking a second job, investing in real estate or stocks or whatever. It's hard work to make those things pay out and increase your financial value\abilities.
Everyone on this board has taken the first step toward where these individuals are now. They WANT more and are willing to dedicate the time\energy to make it happen. They read up on stocks and how the market works then put their hard earned money on the line to get more out of it.
That's what I mean by hard work...and it pays off more times than not.
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