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No, Glass, I disagree, at least partially. He may be unwell, as you say, but what causes the trash he post here comes as a result of two things.
He is a bigoted know-it-all and he is really deep down inside not smart enough to understand how ignorant he is.
I leave to the reader the exercise of exrtrapolation to determinine where upon the scale his brother ranks.
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Operation Wetback was a 1954 project of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service to remove all illegal aliens from the southwestern United States, with a focus on Mexican nationals. Such illegaly resident Mexican citizens were called wetbacks; this term is now used as a derogotoray term for anyone of Hispanic origin or appearance.
interesting:
i've never used the term until this week...
i find it interesting: being lectured by iowa farmboys on the subject...
i grew up INSIDE the DC beltway... bussing? yup been there done that...
and yes i lived in so cali for awhile...
and yes i am not 100% white blooded..
wikipedia say its a racial slur too...
and yet? i see criminals hiding underneath it...
illegal is illegal...
that's how i see it...
i tend to avoid any type of slurs...
but i am for sending every person her illegally home... they can re-apply from there..like the LEGALS do... not hard to understand is it? LOL
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"I leave to the reader the exercise of exrtrapolation to determinine where upon the scale his brother ranks."
No you don't Bdgee, you scream it out everyday. But you say the same blanket thing about everybody that disagrees with you so I'm not sure anybody puts too much stock in it.
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Any Texan knows "wetback" is not a derogotory term, but one used to describe certain people as illegally in the U.S. (swam the Rio Grand River, in other words) rather than native.
Just how you use it elsewhere is not our responsibility. If you want to be derogatory, suit yourself.
Actually, I learned that term as a boy from Mexicans, some legal, some not, and I don't think they were intending to be deragotory.
I learned most of my first words from a wonderful old black man who took it upon himself to care for me and, if you think "wetback" is derogatory, you really would be incensed with the terms he used to describe himself and those of his race.
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too true budgy... my African American friends offended me when they started calling themselve African American too..
but i asked them? why? and they CORRECTLY pointed out to me that Africa is not a nation it's a continent, so i came to accept the new term... but when the term first became popular? i was very uncomfortable with it...
Black is what African Americans PROUDLY called themselves when we were in jr high and high together...
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Well Bdgee there are more than just Texans reading this board. I think society as a whole has accepted that type of talk from someone of the same race.
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terms change ... grifoon..JW... this is just another place where i totally disagree with you grif.. if somebody in hollywood decided to make the term derogatory? so be it..illegal is illegal.... wetback means illegal to me...not Hispanic...
i still wouldn't use it to define someone, but i still think of African Americans as Blacks... can't help it..they asked me to think that when i was young...i don't mean to be derogatory
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"Q: Would you intervene militarily if human rights abuses were at stake? A: There are times when our principles are so offended that we have to do what we can to resolve a terrible situation. If Rwanda again became a scene of horrible genocide, if there was a way that the US could stop. But we can never say that a nation driven by Judeo-Christian principles will only intervene where our interests are threatened because we also have values. If genocide is allowed, the consequences later are more severe."
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Society as a whole, at least in the U.S. has accepted that it is ill mannered for anyone to constantly preach radical religious ideas to people that didn't assemble to hear it, yet you and your brother continue to harass anyone you can with it.
You and your arrogant loudmouth brother are bigots, declaring anyone not locked in goose stepping cadence with your far rightwing facist agenda to to be askew of propriety and any chance of salvartion.
You are a pair of jerks with no manners at all and no decency to speak of, except that you speak of it anyway, constantly, as if it were there.
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"Society as a whole, at least in the U.S. has accepted that it is ill mannered for anyone to constantly preach radical religious ideas to people that didn't assemble to hear it, yet you and your brother continue to harass anyone you can with it."
When you come into a thread that I post you do so voluntarily do you not? Did someone tell you you had to come into threads that I post? In the first place, the ideas are not radical religion, that would be Baba. So you entered a thread I started knowing that I have a religious worldview.
"good, now you are digging..."
You do condescension pretty good. I do far more research than you seem to want to admit. In fact, what I arrived at in this thread is consistent with the growing community of peace-builders.
"McCain lost.. Gore lost.. America chose... LOL... my point made..."
No point was made at all. This site, if you check it out collects political statements from all kinds of would-be leaders. Hillary and McCain are potential candidates in two years. Nice to hear this side of the political dialog isn't it.
"there was no political will to do what you ask..."
Political will grows. If you study history, the Revolution has its roots more than 100 years prior to the actualy event. This will be the same. Ideas grow and with them comes political will all along history's path. The peace-building movement, as it grows, will help political will grow too. My idea is one of many.
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Africa: Money for AIDS would be lost to corruption Q: Should we appropriate $300 million out of the surplus to help fight AIDS in Africa? A: I would do anything in my power to stop this terrible affliction. But we have corrupt governments; we have organizations that don’t treat the people. So before I spent our taxpayers’ money on that, I would have to make sure that it would go to the recipients and those of these poor people who are afflicted with this terrible disease. Frankly, in a lot of parts of Africa today, I do not have that confidence.
we cannot "save the world" especially with guns... it's oxymoronic... i have only to use that word one more time on you today and it'll stick forever...
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"You and your arrogant loudmouth brother are bigots, declaring anyone not locked in goose stepping cadence with your far rightwing facist agenda to to be askew of propriety and any chance of salvartion."
bdgee, YOU are the bigot, we have it right on this board. The right-wing facist line is old and worn-out but you use it to hide the fact this isn't what you want to talk about. Give it up.
"So you entered a thread I started knowing that I have a religious worldview."
Completing this earlier thought, Bdgee you came here willingly. You new, I present from a Christian worldview. You sought my threads out and entered in. Off topic Post means I can't talk about stocks, but nothing in that says I cannot post my thesis on Peace-making or engage in conversation minus my Christian worldview.
Now having entered into a place where you knew a Christian presenter was posting, why is it such a problem for you, that I use my free speech and free religion in this free society to express myself in ways that reflect my Christian faith? How many other threads are there, but you chose this one and the other two I presently post on (I stopped on two old ones last night)? Go and look at ALL you have to choose from. What brought you here? You can start a topic on anything you choose, except stocks, why do you come to mine? If I were in your shoes, I would be asking the same question.
Obviously, Barak Obama is the best foreign policy choice for our next president from my perspective.
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"it's oxymoronic... i have only to use that word one more time on you today and it'll stick forever..."
If it makes you feel better. Actually, my purpose was served in just getting people to find that site as a good political resource to see where people stand on issues.
"But we have corrupt governments; we have organizations that don’t treat the people."
Yes but his plan for solving that is presented too:
"What area of international policy would you change immediately? A: Our policies concerning rogue states: Iraq, Libya, North Korea-those countries that continue to try to acquire weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. I’d institute a policy that I call “rogue state rollback.” I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically elected governments."
Thus Barak Obama is a better choice as I said.
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I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically elected governments." read that to be same o'same o' CIA stuff...
if Barak is promoting invading other countries to 'save" them? i won't vote for him...
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When you come into this board you do so voluntarily do you not? Did someone tell you you had to come into this board?
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Yep, don't you remember what aragorn posted about his "assignment" to come to Allstock's "Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk" to overwhelm the non-christain talk.
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See bdgee, you are free to roam anywhere on the internet right? but there is a risk in that, you will find someone who disagrees with you. And you are free to express yourself within this board if you freely choose to enter in, but you may encounter a thread title that disagrees with you. You may even enter into any thread you choose right? I think we have established that by now.
So I am not telling you that you must come visit my threads; I am not telling you that you can't come to my threads. Again that is entirely voluntary as we have agreed. What I am saying is that my Christian worldview will be apparent in the threads I post, and you have the option, the freedom to enter or not, but if you enter, you will encounter a person talking about Christ. The rules of this board allow me that priveledge and as long as they do I'll be here.
As I was invited to do by glassman when I entered these boards, I express myself as though I am right about everything.
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"I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically elected governments."
My bad, this was a quote from McCain, which explains why I will not vote for him.
"if Barak is promoting invading other countries to 'save" them? i won't vote for him..."
here's what he says:
US policy should promote democracy and human rights
In every region of the globe, our foreign policy should promote traditional American ideals: democracy and human rights; free and fair trade and cultural exchanges; and development of institutions that ensure broad middle classes within market economies.
It is our commonality of interests in the world that can ultimately restore our influence and win back the hearts and minds necessary to defeat terrorism and project American values around the globe. Human aspirations are universal-for dignity, for freedom, for the opportunity to improve the lives of our families.
Let us recognize what unites us across borders and build on the strength of this blessed country. Let us embrace our history and our legacy. Let us not only define our values in words and carry them out in deeds.
That's Obama
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Glass, if you vote for a Republican, it's because you pull the wrong lever by accident.
That's fine by me. I'm a centrist that votes for the person, not the party. But not everyone can be that objective. For you someone pulls your strings and tells you who you will vote for, but the bottom line is, in your heart you are a Democrat just like me.
As to the trial by fire comment, I been there, and any time you want to come along, come right on ahead.
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"these guys are trying like heck to figger out how to save the GOP in the next election..."
You really want to grant that much thought to a couple of guys that are confused by the English language so much they can figure out what is said or what they say when they post it?
I'll cut out the parts that I don't see as over awarding to much to them:
"these guys are trying ................"
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"Yep, don't you remember what aragorn posted about his "assignment" to come to Allstock's "Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk" to overwhelm the non-christain talk."
Ah here's the real rub for you bdgee, you ran others off before, you pride your clique on being able to do that. But I won't leave. I will stay, nice, happy, Christian centrist. And I will post to challenge the left and the right. We will have a fun time you and I once you get to know me.
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Glass, if you vote for a Republican, it's because you pull the wrong lever by accident.
i knew that if i told you it annoyed me you would try to use it over and over again... that is if you were here to annoy..
which you are ... LOL... centrist? bahhahahaha...
hey?
you wanna buy any poisonous snakes to play with?
i can get you cottonmouths...very dangerous and ornery, only for the devoutly faithful... or i can get you copperheads... for the beginner serpant handler..they are fairly safe if handled carefully.. 100$ each... i used to only charge 1$ when i was a kid, but hey, inflation and all that...
rattlers? i think you should ask bdgee for them....
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This idea that you are wanting to promote, that Glass.... operates as a puppet and follows someone elses lead, is way too far fetched for even one so slow as you to be fooled by.
It makes about as much sens as believing you are not a republican hack.
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"I'll cut out the parts that I don't see as over awarding to much to them:"
Translation: "Bdgee don't agree so bdgee just don't read."
That attitude sure helps you feel superior huh bdgee? Whatever helps you feel better, just stay in Plato's Cave where you don't have that nasty ole light illumining the real world.
Really since the truth came out about you all yesterday, I would think you would want to regroup and come up with a new strategy.
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