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I have to ask how much of the intolerance I see directed toward the President is really latent fear and hate of his expressed religion. See I remember one whom the Democrats embraced, the REV. Dr. Martin Luther King jr. walking side by side with Democratic and a few Republican leaders. I have to wonder if he would be welcome in the party he used to call home if he were alive and preaching today?
Oh what has become of the party that led the civil rights struggle? They let hundreds of thousands die because they were people of color. They let increased poverty sweep across the world with applause. They did not support tax cuts that empowered minority small business owners increase their wealth. They did not support the faith-based initiatives (which my churches do not participate in but) many predominantly ethnic minority churches use to feed and clothe the poor.
Where are the values they once espoused? They can express those values because they came from Christianity and the Democratic leadership can't admit anything connected to religion gave them their identity. But we Christians are good citizens, those of us in the middle waiting patiently for a party to welcome us.
Now this might sound patronizing, self-righteous and smug to those on the far left, but given what I hear on this website and received in a PM, I hear the hate and intolerance of the Left saying, "Don't vote for us you filthy Christian. We lost and we're still mad."
Why do I feel oppressed in such a way? Someone took me at my word about accepting the throwing of eggs at my perspective. The gist of the PM was that I should know a family member in an offensive, profane way, drop dead in a painful way and go found a nation where we Christians can all rot together.
Now to that person, if I EVER get a PM like that again, I will post it on this site for all to see as a demonstration of hate speech and intolerance along with who sent it. That is your warning; I do not send hate speech, nor do I accept it. I will not respond to its individual statements, but I want you all to imagine coming home from an evening you went without eating because you are sitting with a family as their mom, wife, daughter, aunt dies of cancer at 31 to find such a PM sent to you. Imagine being the person who comforts and consoles 7 and 10 year old children as their dad steps out in pain for a few minutes and then finding this comment.
Bless you friend for the thoughtful words I have come to too often experience from the intolerant persons on the far left. Bless you from my heart for helping me experience the persecution my sisters and brothers in faith experienced all the way back to the era of Jesus Christ. My prayers are for your awakening to compassion.
Now to your third point suggesting I go form a new nation where we Christians can all rot. We already did, The United States of America where Christians came to flee the tyranny of the government. Quakers, Catholics, Reformed, Brethren, Pietists, Deists, Theists, Quietists, and Methodists we came. Our ranks led the charge against slavery and for women's rights. Our ranks give billions to relieve those in disaster areas. And we will stay inviting everyone else to do so too.
Are we perfect? If I am an example of our perfection, then I know we are not perfect. I am as Paul said, "The chief among sinners." And though you and I may disagree on insignificant issues of politics, I would always greet you with the hand of friendship and love. All because Christ is in my heart!
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Must have hit it dead on. No one to challenge the fact that the far left of the political spectrum hates Christians? I know it's obvious to anyone who listens to Howard Dean after his campaign blew up, and he blamed the whole thing on Christians.
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How bout the weekend of August 18-19? I think they just know the truth bro' that they do hate Christians. Listen to the post by Glassman. Pure fear of religion.
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Not at all Gordon. Jesus would be and I do follow Jesus in my political sentiments. I set this up to start brisk conversation. Personally, in my own denomination we are as a block on the far left. My main issue with the Democrats is that they don't articulate their vision of the future. You know, when they did they always won. Civil Rights, Human Rights based foreign policy. I remember those days when religious leaders and Democratic political leaders stood up together and changed the face of this nation.
I wish it were that way today. The struggle to live up to "All men (sic persons) are created equal. Right now, with the old party, they sound like Republicans Light. And whenever we have one weak party, the other party gets lazy and corrupt. It's not good for our nation.
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To say that the far left hates Christians and then to follow that with the statement "in my own denomination we are as a block on the far left" seems a bit (oh, how can I put this) nuts.
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Right now, with the old party, they sound like Republicans Light. And whenever we have one weak party, the other party gets lazy and corrupt. It's not good for our nation. the blame is partly due rove to putting them in a corner.
this whole thing about being weak on terrorism has left the dems dizzy IMO...
i'm not a dem, but i hate seeing the House, Senate and the White House one party...that's what's not good for our country IMO...
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It isn't simply that the republicans (again my sincere apologies to the real, ancient, and once were republicans, but these vermin stole the name) control both houses of congress. It is that the ones in control of Congress are loyal to the Party rather than the Country (and that is what is wrong with the Party!!!).
If the democrats were in control of both houses (I'm not interested in any crap from the right wing claiming democrats did the same once upon a time...that is a lie to make republicans feel justified in being dis-patriotic by always going Party first) and voted never to question a democratic president, then they would be just as dis-patriotic and guilty as the republicans.
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I really don't see them going one party right now. Neither party has the horses to pull that off. In my heart Glass, I would like to see the electorate send a clear signal through a populist 3rd party centrist that this hate stuff and the name calling has to go. The immigration bills for instance turned into a racist circus, both sides agreeing on the "whipping boy." And it was all to tug on latent fears and hates that threaten to undo us all as a nation.
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"To say that the far left hates Christians and then to follow that with the statement "in my own denomination we are as a block on the far left" seems a bit (oh, how can I put this) nuts."
Like I said I like to pose provocative questions, not always reflective of my opinion.
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Yes Glassman you are right. Rove's got the dem's over a barrel already. They cannot afford to be soft on security, hence the frustration everyone is having with Hillary. but the other problem they have is they must unlock the southern vote. And unlockinbg the southern vote while holding onto your base is going to be tough for the Dem's. Impossible for Hillary.
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"BS" My friend, I will not play your provocative game anymore. It does not allow me to present who I am realistically. Blessings to you and peace, shalom and salaam on this site.
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Edwards is the only Choice. Osama can not get the southern vote. Kerry and Gore cannot get the vote. Lieberman can not get the vote. Hillary cannot get the vote. Problem: In my opinion Clintons are blocking Edwards 'cause they know the same thing.
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your opening statement here: I have to ask how much of the intolerance I see directed toward the President is really latent fear and hate of his expressed religion.
i'm not dem.... but/ i want you to answer me this...
how much of his support is blindly faith based.
it appears to be a solid 10% which of course is what got him the difference in '04....
especially when you consider that Kerry is Catholic....
Pat Robertsona nd Jerry Falwell both "pumped" him with money and talk... it was enough of a difference that McCain is now nosing around those guys too.. something he wouldn't do before...
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Lat's face facts and accept the blunt truth, these guys are "deep-down-to-the-bone-ugly" bogots.
"I do not send hate speech, nor do I accept it.", he claims.
He may not sendit (to where?) but he sure does post it here and makes it very clear indeed that he accepts it most eagarly when it is directed by him or toward whom he wants to demean..
Just looking at the titles of threads Griffon has started and the accusations and implications within them is a good example of bigoted hate speach:
" Why does the Democratic party support genocide!"
Where does he get off declaring that democrats approve of or in anyway condone, let alone support, genocide? What a vulgar accusation.
"Religio-phobia and racism in the party that used to fight for civil rights"
Who, democrat or other, wants to be stigmatized by that sort of pre-declaration and bias? Racism where? When? When did democrats stop fighting for civil rights?
That sort of attack is uncalled for and is akin to racial stigmatising.
It takes a reak sick mind to attack democrats on the basis of racism or civil rights or genocide, but he does so quite loudly and declares anyone objecting to those insults and vile crudities to be engaged in hate speach.
It is him that practices hate speach.
And it appears to be that he does it so habitually that he has become mesmerized by his own rhetoric and sick enough to not even realize how hateful and crude he speaks.
But watch, instead of considering how hateful the titles of his threads (and much of the claims he makes) are, he'll claim they have some other purpose. A lot like the old man I used to know that claimed he wasn't racially biased, " It's because God made those people like he made dogs, you know, they don't have any soul and can't go to heaven". Yep, democrats (or whomever else he is attacking) weren't provided with a soul by God and so have no reason to expect to be respected or allowed comon courtesy....hell, they can't go to heaven.
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Griffon, when you say he is hated for his religion what religion are you referring to. I hope it is not the following of Christ and Christin
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"Where does he get off declaring that democrats approve of or in anyway condone, let alone support, genocide? What a vulgar accusation."
God bless you bdgee! what an endearing post you give.
Actually, the declaration came from Warren Christopher off record at the UN in 1994, "Who cares if Rwandans die as long as Americans don't." Went global in '94.
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"Yep, democrats (or whomever else he is attacking) weren't provided with a soul by God and so have no reason to expect to be respected or allowed comon courtesy....hell, they can't go to heaven."
bdgee, blessings be upon you. Never said any such thing. How about Jordan's comment on discovering I am Christian, "You have no credibility in my eyes now." No bigotry intended there I'm sure.
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