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Posted by: HappySoul In reply to: stockguy65 who wrote msg# 58131 Date:8/28/2006 9:38:46 PM Post #of 58194
I usually just read here but your post compelled me to respond. How is anyone twisting the truth, when no one actually knows what the truth really is. I think that all the discussion here is because that is what everyone is trying to uncover. And, as difficult as it is, many questions with this company need to be answered. If the writing were on the wall, and everything was that clear, there probably would be no discussion here. The facts would be posted for all to see and there would be no specualtions & doubt.
If there are unanswered questions, it is the companies responsibility to bring trust/confidence to their stock holders via verifiable information.
Every stock holder with a question is simply doing their job. Let's not try to shush them, they may uncover something worth reporting thus help us all. We all have alot to gain or lose. I welcome both sides.
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: So who is right rocky or rrufff?
All Rocky posted, that he said he paid for, is on the Secretary of State of Nevada website for free. So if he is trying to lend credence to himself regarding a paid report VS free info he either doesn't do very good DD or there is a motive.
I refuse to accept negative reports unless they have links or something other than I talked to someone who knows someone. Those statements can never be verified. How many times in other stocks have people posted that they had inside info that a PR,10Q or 10K was comming out the next day and it never materialized? Too many to count.
I trust the DD I have done and the DD of a few other people I am familiar with. Sulja is a real company that has been in business for a while. They have also made public statements regarding share structure and financials that if not true would be a total fraud. It's not like some Pink's that make statements that are ambiguous and leave loopholes.
Everyone needs to make their own decisions based on DD risk VS reward and the like. Hopefully we will have our answers.
I just noticed that little last line in your posting. Thank you, I am here looking to feel more secure with my investment, and intend to get that security, hopefully it does exist.
Your post that you relayed is not that far off from what many are saying.
The below statements are not mine but relayed to me,....don't kill the messenger, show facts to dispute it in an informative discussion based upon factual information, good thinking and most of all, truth.
Here it is what some say they have discovered this far:
Loftwerks went private after selling the trading vehicle to Sulja Acquistion Corp in NV. Sulja only bought the public vehicle, not the Loftwerks business. It wasn't a merger, it was an ACQUISTION. (Which explains the filing we all saw on the Nevada State site).
There is More criminal Fraud involved here than just Devry, Ammerman ,and Sulja. An individual said they had a chat with Kieran and his boss in Albany about Sulja. His boss was extremely helpful and called some contacts in Dubai.
This is what was discovered in Dubai: No Emaar is involved with sulja NO Sulja is involved in the UAE Wessals leader is a ghost.
Now in the USA,..This is what was found: The Press release about the stock exchange is NOT documented in any Nevada filing. No asset filings are received with the Secretary of State either.
Consultech is also a Loftwerks creation to help ammerman create more shares on another fraudulent merger as loftwerks and sulja keep trading shares to the 800,000,000 maximum of worthless shares..... all owned and controlled by a 200 share acquisition corporation.
Stating that individuals are committing Criminal Fraud and naming those individuals is a very bold statement that if done without proof could be considered libel. Please post links and any verifiable information to back this up.
I have seen an email from Emaar stating that they are not allowed to talk about confidential business relationships.
In my experience, companies that are featured in PR's that are untrue, simply stated that there is no relationship. The answer from Emaar implied a relationship.
Your post that you relayed is not that far off from what many are saying.
The below statements are not mine but relayed to me,....don't kill the messenger, show facts to dispute it in an informative discussion based upon factual information, good thinking and most of all, truth.
Here it is what some say they have discovered this far:
Loftwerks went private after selling the trading vehicle to Sulja Acquistion Corp in NV. Sulja only bought the public vehicle, not the Loftwerks business. It wasn't a merger, it was an ACQUISTION. (Which explains the filing we all saw on the Nevada State site).
There is More criminal Fraud involved here than just Devry, Ammerman ,and Sulja. An individual said they had a chat with Kieran and his boss in Albany about Sulja. His boss was extremely helpful and called some contacts in Dubai.
This is what was discovered in Dubai: No Emaar is involved with sulja NO Sulja is involved in the UAE Wessals leader is a ghost.
Now in the USA,..This is what was found: The Press release about the stock exchange is NOT documented in any Nevada filing. No asset filings are received with the Secretary of State either.
Consultech is also a Loftwerks creation to help ammerman create more shares on another fraudulent merger as loftwerks and sulja keep trading shares to the 800,000,000 maximum of worthless shares..... all owned and controlled by a 200 share acquisition corporation.
Stating that individuals are committing Criminal Fraud and naming those individuals is a very bold statement that if done without proof could be considered libel. Please post links and any verifiable information to back this up.
I have seen an email from Emaar stating that they are not allowed to talk about confidential business relationships.
In my experience, companies that are featured in PR's that are untrue, simply stated that there is no relationship. The answer from Emaar implied a relationship.
Wit, you ask that we don't kill the messenger but you fail to identify or post a link to the source of those statements. I'm not for killing but I wish you wouldn't post dribble that is unverified and not credited to the original source.
The information was not my own DD. I firmly intend to follow-up by doing my own either to confirm or deny the claims. Hopefully to confirm them as false.
I know that you mentioned seeing an email from Emaar, "not wanting to mention anything about confidential business relationships", however, to confirm being involved with a company, that is trying to report to their stockholders that they have involvement with you would only be helping to give them credibility. To not respond with an answer would continue to fuel the doubt.
I know you claim that Emaar "implied a relationship", but the same goes for you as you said to me,..."I wish you wouldn't post dribble that is unverified and not credited to the original source."....so would you mind passing on that source?? And, the phrase that Emaar used to imply a relationship?
Counter my opinion with facts and good logic. Thanks...
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I'm still waiting for you to verify your dribble and post your original source. (Just quoting you) For now,...we can just label your post in the 'hear say category'.
And wally,...I am not here to debate with you on an individual level. Heck you seem like a nice enough guy. If you read your post & mine, there is simply no difference. We are both posting a topic due on what another individual has stated/posted, with no verifiable facts to support it at this time. That is where we need to join forces to put those bashers/naysayers to rest. The email you claim you saw, could've been falsified by an insider/pumper. I don't know if that ever occured to you.
I just think your barking up the wrong tree. I am on your side, regardless of the matters or issues that I raise to everyone's attention.
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We are both posting a topic due on what another individual has stated/posted, with no verifiable facts to support it at this time.
why?
realise this is a pink sheet... pink sheets are nothing but rumor...
the only thing you can trust on a pink sheet is the last trade, the AS, the OS and the float- IF you call the transfer agent and the transfer agent isn't gagged...
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.
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AS 800million, OS 500 million, float 138 million, 3 investors who each own/owned 40 million [still own IMO] very likely leaving the float at 18 million.
I frequent other boards and I can tell you that it is my honest opinion that there are paid bashers coming forth. Sending PMS and public messages as well. I have seen plenty of derogatory posts in my time and thought the overwhelmingly majority of them were not paid bashers, there are a lot of times when some one with good sense comes in and the "married investors" immediately lash out and call them bashers. This is different, very different. One in particular will try to get your sympathy and then PM you telling you they know the truth and it is a scam, no joke. Some of you guys know what I am talking about. Riding some free shares in one account. Sold shares in the other but bought back in recently. No agenda here, that you can be certain of.
Posted by: allinone In reply to: None Date:8/29/2006 12:42:53 AM Post #of 58385
You know I have read BS post after BS post tonite! It is absolutely apparent that there is a very serious short position with this stock regardless of what anyone of you think! The bashing has become intense as we get closer to the audited financials. Now, earlier in the day I mentioned that the most intreging PR the company put out was the post in joint ownership with The Red Group Housing Group! Everyone has been running around the room screaming who the hell are these people? Well sit down, get a really stiff drink cause the games are over folks! Here you go, all imho :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: SLJB Great Post Must read:
Posted by: allinone In reply to: None Date:8/29/2006 12:42:53 AM Post #of 58385
You know I have read BS post after BS post tonite! It is absolutely apparent that there is a very serious short position with this stock regardless of what anyone of you think! The bashing has become intense as we get closer to the audited financials. Now, earlier in the day I mentioned that the most intreging PR the company put out was the post in joint ownership with The Red Group Housing Group! Everyone has been running around the room screaming who the hell are these people? Well sit down, get a really stiff drink cause the games are over folks! Here you go, all imho :
My Crystal Balls are my own, do your own DD before you invest!
This post adds absolutely nothing to the DD that has already been performed here. We have already seen this web site weeks ago. The poster's tone sounds as if he is posting some revelation. What a joke. This post is utterly meaningless. ADDED VALUE RATING = ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if I pray hard enough if maybe it could sway this stock to be the real deal (Just kidding!!!)
On another note. I was thinking that since the phone number for Wessal is posted in the press release. I could have someone call and ask (in Aribic) for the name listed as the president in the PR. I wonder how that would turn out. If we can make contact with this person then it can put to rest the claim that "Wessal's leader is a ghost".
How would you all feel if I can get him on the phone Any questions you would like to ask other than thier involvement with SLJB?
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I woke up this morning to 554 messages on another site and I come here and I see the bashers were working overtime last night. This is simply amusing.
I like to look at the history of all the posters and this one is entertaining. ------------------------------------------------ Profile for klondike Member Status: Member Registered: August 05, 2006 Posts: 18 ------------------------------------------------
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it seems pretty clear that the bashers are getting desperate now. everyone was waiting for a dip yesterday so they could buy more shares and it never came. the mms were waiting too so they could buy to cover more shares, except when they dont get what they want they use unethical means to make it happen. there were some outrageous claims made yesterday, and when i see evidence of their veracity i will be the first to dump my shares but until then i am holding long and strong.
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They can try to shake as many shares as they can but I am sure everyone has noticed, there has been some constant buying with this. What is really funny is that the real money has not showed up yet. The shorts are done on this one, its over.
quote:Originally posted by STOCKMOVER: I woke up this morning to 554 messages on another site and I come here and I see the bashers were working overtime last night. This is simply amusing.
I like to look at the history of all the posters and this one is entertaining. ------------------------------------------------ Profile for klondike Member Status: Member Registered: August 05, 2006 Posts: 18 ------------------------------------------------
The belief that "bashing" will help the shorts or decrease the PPS is inane and insane.
The belief that some posts on here will do damage is simply untrue. This board is but one square on a very large quilt. The postings here whether negative or positive will have no effect on what an individual does with their investment.
If an individual is truly secure with the findings on their DD, any reasonable doubts should pose no threat to them if they are secure with their findings. those posts are therefore not for you, unless of course they rattle you at the core because you are not as confident/secure as you claim.
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a lot of the people on these boards though dont do their own dd. they use the boards and the people on them to do their dd for them so when people start bashing they start selling. bashers on these boards do shake shares free for the mms
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quote:Originally posted by IMAKEMONEY: Those are sells,If its at the bid its a sell, if its the ask or over its a buy. pretty easy to tell.
I bought at bid yesterday. Actually it was .001 over bid. I have learned that you never buy at ask and never sell at bid. Try it you will like it. Oh and it filled in less then a minuet.
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Your absolutely right on that. Many don't do their own DD and listen to others. That's called coming in blind.
Many benefit & learn from the different opinions on everyone's DD, that is how they learn their lessons and become good traders. That forces them to do their own DD the next time they want to invest in another stock. Everyone has always stressed here....'don't follow my opinions, do your own DD', it has been said a thousand times and those that wish to ignore that pay the price unfortunately.
When I first began, I learned the hard way, and listening to varied opinions on the boards, that forced me to become more experienced, therefore helping me to be a better trader. I never knew what to believe on the boards so I did my own DD, and that is simply what I continue to do still today.
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