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well, we are back at .0008 i'm guessing we'll stay there until monday!!! A good foundation to build upon come next week!!! I'm audi here... glta and have a great weekend.. sun's shining over here... i'm off to the beach!
Posts: 610 | From: Victoria | Registered: Dec 2004
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Destination Day....decision time for outsiders sitting on the fence on this one
either you buy now, or never, or next week at higher prices.....
support has held 3 days in a row at .0008, the company they are joining with has not traded all week...end of quarter 1>>> the writing is on the wall !!!!
quote:Originally posted by ohio_trader: Destination Day....decision time for outsiders sitting on the fence on this one
either you buy now, or never, or next week at higher prices.....
support has held 3 days in a row at .0008, the company they are joining with has not traded all week...end of quarter 1>>> the writing is on the wall !!!!
Great stock to buy today before closing ......
IMO
***do your homework**
Ohio_Trader
We don't know who they are joining with. That's only speculation.
-------------------- corn oil comes from corn, olive oil from olives, where does baby oil come from? Posts: 441 | From: Vulcan | Registered: Feb 2006
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signs are strongly pointing towards VPMD. Same country, same city, same business, both looking to expand, VPMD has traded at the same level forever and are strongly looking to boost their PPS. 80% chance its VPMD.
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it may be speculation but maybe VPMD stockholders are wondering after a week why their company is not trading ???????
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quote:Originally posted by ohio_trader: it may be speculation but maybe VPMD stockholders are wondering after a week why their company is not trading ???????
The stock did trade this week. It was very little but it did trade. only 3,575 shares today. I won't say it can't be them but I'd rather see a big name buy JPHC out. I hope it is soon though so I can put some money elsewhere.
-------------------- corn oil comes from corn, olive oil from olives, where does baby oil come from? Posts: 441 | From: Vulcan | Registered: Feb 2006
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I plan to keep jphc just because it is uptrend for several weeks from now! just to get $$$$$$$$ no sells expected in the short term below 8'. GLTA!
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Hoping for 1000%, but I can settle for less. Not much though.
Hoping for at least a double this week. Curious to see if dogcatcher reappears. last week he said buyout news could be as early as this week. Whoa!
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Is it a good buy at this price, or do you guys think this will dip once or twice?
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It's been very difficult to get in at .0007 the last few days. If we get news, this is a bargain. If not, who knows... I personally, would consider it a good buy with the recent news.
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I would recommend doing SOMETHING by the end of Monday... right now, there IS NOT FLOAT or O/S... we have verified 75 people out of the 2000 shareholders who have 2.6 billion shares.
Whatever you buy before the news of the buyout (could be end of day Tuesday per rumors), you will be buying shorts the MM;s throw out to you. 99% of the shareholders currently are longs. Just look at the trading on Thursday and Friday... nearly all sells were by MM to MM.
Argonath
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I am wondering how long after a deal is signed before we convert the new shares to cash. Do you think it is something that will take a couple weeks?
If it is say .004 I wouldn't mind waiting a little while.
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I am hoping to be able to put the money into another stock before it runs. I realize stocks run all the time so it won't kill me to miss a run, but it would be nice to double it or triple it again.
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Damn right its nice. But if the company is bought out, it takes time to execute that - and its pretty likely we'd get shares converted in that deal. Then from there they'd be restricted so we didn't crash that stock when everyone tries to cash out.
But who knows, I could be $50,000 richer next week, I just doubt it though.
-------------------- Well done is better than well said. Ben Franklin Posts: 718 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Aug 2005
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I seriously doubt that the transaction will be completed next week... only the agreement, and the agreed on price.
Then the fuin starts... because the agreed on price is ONLY for the total O/S... so, with that as a minimum, the no one will sell UNTIL that price hits, and then the stock should rocket with longs dictating the price for shorts to cover.
I would love to see an agreement signed and a price at the end of Tuesday, then give it 10 days for the deal to complete. 10 days for shorts to cover... can you imagine what this would do if they only gave a week?
I also kind of doubt if stock will be part of the buyout... only because CEO Hawkings is spinning off Livestar, and wants to have cash to get that rolling... not sit around wondering about his shares with the buyout company.
Oh... almost forgot... there is also the stock dividend for Livestar... shorts will have to cover either with that news, OR the buyout.
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Hello Guys do guys realistically think they will buy this stock back at .004/share and why???
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I don't know if they will pay .004 or more. It is a distinct possibility. Since the company said .004 minimum on their analysis project I would imagine that is possible.
Once managers agree to a buyout they normally seek the best price possible because they are selling their shares also.
This may not be a total buyout, but a buyout of controlling interest. I think and hope they would bargain very well.
One aspect of a buyout is the new value once assets are redirected to make more money. Thus the current value may be .004 but we don't know what the bidder sees as the value to them. It could be a lot more than that.
Just wait and see I guess.
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The below is not my post: -------------------------
By: dallas66tx 02 Apr 2006, 05:39 PM EDT Msg. 41276 of 41279 (Msg. is a reply to by None.) I have been doing quite a bit of research this past week to identify methodologies used to determine valuation and buyout price correlations. A valuation of a company may be initiated for a variety of reasons. Most commonly they are used to show the strength of a company for future debt repayment on loans, to acquire better financing of loans, and to show value for potential buyer/merger/acquisition possibilities. What I have typically found is a company with revs (EBITDA) in excess of $5m are valued at 60% - 90% of ACTUAL asset value, which is an agreed upon value by the seller/buyer for takeover/merger considerations. Once that value is agreed upon by both buyer and seller, the process begins to determine sell/buy price. The average sell/buy price is somewhere between 2 - 8 times valuation of the company. The reason for such a wide potential for the asset valuation, and valuation multiple used is due to the demands of the marketplace for the product offered, expanded future product offerings, and the potential to increase revenues going forward. Quite often a business with little chance of agressive growth (revs and expansion) without a large capital investment, will sell for 2 - 3 times valuation, with a low % assessed value. Whereas a business with the potential to greatly expand it's rev base and/or business base may command a price of 4 - 8 times it's agreed upon valuation. Also, in a merger situation where two companies combine assets to create one new entity, the synergistic values of both companies will come in to play for the exit (post buyout/merger) value of the new company. This can in effect cause the value of the newly created company to be worth more than the combined assets of the two pre-merger/buyout companies. This is typically the case when two like companies combine and are able to reduce overhead while increasing customer/revenue base. The future potential of the "new" company is generally taken into consideration by both sides when negotiations for the sell price are discussed. The capital investments required to unify the companies are likewise taken into consideration, but to a lesser extent. This is due to the corporate direction, and additional capital outlay above reasonable expectations the buyer may choose to take once the deal has been closed. Relate it to buying a car or house....objective value is assumed ...buyer lowballs...points out negatives...seller highballs...points out positives...sell/buy price is reasonably close to assumed value...financing is arranged.
We all have REASONABLE expectations of the numbers....play and have some fun.
% of assesed value which is agreed upon x industry multiple agreed upon - costs associated with sell = buy price.
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RE: BUYOUT value Another big factor is whether this is a stock conversion or a cash deal..........
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I am going through my second buyout in less than 5 years and neither of them took less than 6 months. Also between the time the original paperwork is signed and the sale is final, 6 months at least, if anything in the company goes wrong the purchasing company can back out.
Not saying there is anything wrong with this buyout but it may take longer than could be expected.
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quote:Originally posted by adwald: I am going through my second buyout in less than 5 years and neither of them took less than 6 months. Also between the time the original paperwork is signed and the sale is final, 6 months at least, if anything in the company goes wrong the purchasing company can back out.
Not saying there is anything wrong with this buyout but it may take longer than could be expected.
How did your first one go?
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If it takes this long to work a deal, it makes me wonder why the buying company would fool with it.
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quote:Originally posted by adwald: I am going through my second buyout in less than 5 years and neither of them took less than 6 months. Also between the time the original paperwork is signed and the sale is final, 6 months at least, if anything in the company goes wrong the purchasing company can back out.
Not saying there is anything wrong with this buyout but it may take longer than could be expected.
How did your first one go?
It went very well just took a lot to get done. This second one is seeming to take every longer.
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quote:Originally posted by Skyman: If it takes this long to work a deal, it makes me wonder why the buying company would fool with it.
If they want the product 6 months is nothing. Usually a buyout involves spending more on a company than its currently worth, just to get that product. Obviously if they believe in something they will want it, 6 months is hardly a long time when it could become a big mark on their business careers and lives.
-------------------- Well done is better than well said. Ben Franklin Posts: 718 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Aug 2005
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