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You just made an excellent argument for why this business will NEVER succeed. GUARANTEED!!! Play the runs at your own risk. It's a scam, play it accordingly.
quote:Originally posted by Swab Jockey: Where do people get the idea this service costs $100-$150? …. Probably from USXP's Luggage Express website. I just checked, and for one large suitcase Domestic delivery (In the U.S.) roundtrip 3-5 day delivery is $233.00 2nd day delivery is $245.00, next day delivery is $341.00.
Remember this is only one bag. I can take my luggage to the airport myself, check it in on the same plane I'm flying on and get same day delivery for no extra charge beyond My ticket. Also keep in mind my ticket costs me the same whether I have baggage or not, airlines are not going to give up revenues from luggage shipments to make me happy. So my travel cost just went up by $233.00 - $341.00 to get luggage later than if I took it myself.
Also keep in mind that you still have to have carry on baggage (unless you can go without a change of clothes for 1-5 days). That negates the supposed increased speed at the airport because people and carry on baggage will still be screened by TSA. By the way the airlines all pay the government part of the cost to provide that service. So some of the airlines supposed savings is not realized.
The only change pertains to checked baggage and that does not get screened at the entrance to the gates so again no impact on anything except initial check-in at the ticket counter might same a minute or two there . Someone was saying about lost luggage problem. I have traveled quite a bit over the years and have delayed luggage many times, never lost and in fact what most people call lost luggage is really just delayed luggage. The airline will deliver delayed luggage to your home or hotel as needed usually within 12 hours of your arrival at no cost to you. So even if they delay my luggage I will still get it within time frame for Luggage Express delivery at no charge to me. I still think the concept has merit, but savings isn't the way to sell it. It is a convenience and there is nothing wrong with that. Sell it as a luxury item and it will do very well.
To concentrate on terrorist actions also misses the mark. Remember that 911 and all the subsequent increase in screening procedures was because of Passengers that were able to circumvent inadequate or lax passenger screening not luggage screening procedures. I believe the last airliner lost as a result of terrorists placing something in checked baggage was either Pan Am 103 in Lockerbie Scotland or the French UTA airliner over Chad. I believe those tragedies occurred in 1988 or 1989. All of the rest have been as a result of passengers circumventing screening.
Again I think this idea has legs but the appeal is in convenience and as an "exclusive Service" that would definitely make me feel convenienced. If we all look at it in the clear light of day and not emotionally we have the potential to do well in the long run.
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Swab, WRONG WRONG WRONG I don't know where you got your info but that is not what it says on USXP web site. This is what it says. and here is the link. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. http://www.usxp.com/products_and_services/luggage_delivery/luggageexpress/ To repeat, Universal plans to charge $70 per piece of dropped off luggage or a minimum of $85 per pick-up. The average couple, traveling for 10-14 days, with 3 pieces of luggage will presently spend $2500-3000 for such a trip. The addition of $210 is minimal for the added convenience of not having to stand in line for 2 hours prior to departure and no movement of luggage issues until it arrives at their final destination. Luggage Express may conduct luggage sales through travel agents, which will offer the service to their clients when their tickets are booked. The service will be advertised directing passengers to call an 800 number for pick-up.
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quote:Originally posted by pay up: Swab, WRONG WRONG WRONG I don't know where you got your info but that is not what it says on USXP web site. This is what it says. and here is the link. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. http://www.usxp.com/products_and_services/luggage_delivery/luggageexpress/ To repeat, Universal plans to charge $70 per piece of dropped off luggage or a minimum of $85 per pick-up. The average couple, traveling for 10-14 days, with 3 pieces of luggage will presently spend $2500-3000 for such a trip. The addition of $210 is minimal for the added convenience of not having to stand in line for 2 hours prior to departure and no movement of luggage issues until it arrives at their final destination. Luggage Express may conduct luggage sales through travel agents, which will offer the service to their clients when their tickets are booked. The service will be advertised directing passengers to call an 800 number for pick-up.
Yes, and if they can secure a deal with AirNet (or another air cargo company) they can lower the cost considerably from there.
I have spoken with many (afluent) people about this deal, and they said they wouldn't hesitate to pay the extra $$$ for this service and convenience.
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JB247, Did you mean they wouldn't hesitate to pay, cause you said they would hesitate? Plus you have to figure your ticket would be less, so the cost of the baggage service wouldn't actually be that much higher.
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Yes, thanks for catching that. I just edited the post.
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Until this is all worked out people have to stop speculating. Their speculation just shows their lack of understanding the real story here and is negative.
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that is their quick quote page and make following selections on drop downs (same ones I did)
service type 3-5 days trip type round trip quantity One Item type Large Suitcase 60lbs
then select get quote and see what it says then try the same thing with 2 day delivery and next day delivery and see what it says.. also notice that you did not select hawaii or overseas destinations (they are more) thats where I got the information directly from their site andso can anyone else that is even mildly interested.
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Max - I don't believe that everyone who would use this service would charter. Folks in first class would probably use it for the convenience and they can afford it. I was thinking of using it for my next trip home with the family. When I looked it up and noticed there was no same day delivery option and saw the overall cost decided that for five of us it was out of reach for my coach class budget. But do believe that it has appeal beyond the Private Plane set.
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Swab Jockey, that 60lbs suitcase you just priced out would be considered "oversize" at some of the airlines now. The ones I fly regularly have 50lbs weight limit per bag now. If you did try to check a 60lbs bag you would be paying an extra $50-$100 for "oversize".
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Did you get your order filled? Im loving the way this is looking and can only wait until the EXPO in Anahiem.
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NEW YORK, Mar 17, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- The Coalition for Luggage Security today questioned the progress made in securing our airports, airlines and passengers. This comes after an article on MSNBC.com entitled "Airline screeners fail government bomb tests" indicated that 21 airports failed a federal investigative test conducted by the General Accounting Office between October and January to ensure bomb parts would not go through security. 21 out of 21 airports failed to find the Improvised Explosive Device (IED) parts sent through security by investigators. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11863165/from/RS.5/
As quoted in the MSNBC.com article, former New Jersey Governor, Tom Kean, chairman of the 9/11 commission said, "I'm appalled. I'm dismayed and, yes, to a degree, it does surprise me. Because I thought the Department of Homeland Security was making some progress on this, and evidently they're not."
"The TSA says detecting explosive materials and IED's at checkpoints is their main priority. I would assume that would mean they are interested in keeping passengers and airports safe. If that were the case, then why does the TSA and the Department of Homeland Security continuously add complicated situations to a problem that has grown out of control, and has cost taxpayers and airlines billions?" said Richard A. Altomare, Founder and President of the Coalition for Luggage Security and CEO of Universal Express, Inc. (USXP, Trade)
"They are basing security in the air and on the ground by increasing the size of the monster and continuously doing the same things over and over again. Just making them bigger, more costly and quite frankly, blindly," said Harvey Abelson, Coalition Director.
"The Coalition for Luggage Security thinks it's time to act responsibly and give new ideas a chance. We see everyday how the old ideas, just made bigger, do not work. The Coalition white paper (http://www.usxp.com/securitywp.pdf) shows how the skies can be safer, how travelers can be expeditiously sent to their destinations, how airlines can begin to increase their profits and how we can combat and defeat the potential of literally hundreds if not thousands of people from being killed," continued Mr. Altomare.
"We want to know, and I would think the American people want to know now, why is it that we are spending taxpayer dollars on something that just does not work, and why is it that they do not take steps to try something new. The Coalition is ready and willing to help. The TSA and the Department of Homeland Security should begin the process of testing a new way of doing things; or Airlines and Airports should take matter into their own hands and offer passengers 'no luggage' flights. We're doing our part. I think the time is overdue for all of these empowered entities and officials to begin thinking about a more practical and obvious choice. Separate luggage from passenger planes, and everyone reaps the rewards," concluded Mr. Altomare.
About The Coalition for Luggage Security
The Coalition for Luggage Security was established to ensure the safety of travelers through alternate means of luggage transportation. The Coalition consists of prominent businesspersons and companies that educate the public, Congress and the Administration on the importance of solving the luggage and cargo safety issues that exist in airlines and airports.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements contained herein, which are not historical, are forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements including, but not limited to, certain delays beyond the Company's control with respect to market acceptance of new technologies, products and services, delays in testing and evaluation of products and services, and other risks detailed from time to time in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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Deut - Just flew recently R/T to Hawaii (wife and I) and charge for oversize and I had two of 75 pounds each cost me $25.00 total for both bags just punched up a medium 45lb on Luggage express and it was $176. for 1 bag domestic (excluding Hawaii, Alaska and Overseas). My point is the service is pricey but so what it will probably still sell. Just doesnt work as a "Cost saver"
Imake- Scottrade streaming quotes still showing .014 not subpenny yet.
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people are looking at this all wrong. The airlines, even after chapter 13, are still losing money. Why? THE UAW the unions....think about it......GM FORD and so forth the wave of everything business is to break the unions back in Todays business one cannot compete in todays international market with the union guiding business practices... these airlines are paying 20plus an hour for a luggage handler i can assume with benefits and with baggage screeners and loaders and so on......the airlines cant afford to pay these high union worker wages......and here steps in USXP taking on the roll of handling the luggage not from just a luxury role but from a role of allowing massive lay-offs and still maintain smooth luggage tansfer.....usxp ...im lost where people cant see this giant being built.....bidding on airnet...in columbus where im from i might add and proposing to buy a fuel company....i see a business being compose of not only luggage but maybe even the next DHL .....
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Dunk dont think the unions are going anywhere anytime soon. Too much vested interest in DC, you can bet that the Dems aren't going to let one of their largest capital sources and constituency dry up. European unions are less organized than U.S. in some ways but are still there and still have the potential to disrupt business on a regular basis,especially transportation. So I am not making any investment decisions, based on union influence going away.
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dunkle, I seriously doubt ANY baggage handler out there is making $20+ per hour, or anywhere near that amount. At that pay rate, they would be making more than many regional airline pilots. This is a recent list of pay rates for first officers, not captains who obviously make more, but still, I am quite certain any pilot makes more than the baggage handler. This list starts at 1st year pay and increases with each year of employment. Look closely, some of these guys are in the teens! And keep in mind, most of the pilots work about 80-90 hours a month, and by law can not work over 100 hours a month. I would guess a baggage handler would have to be with the company for quite a long time to make $10 hour, but I do not know their pay rates.
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I don't know any $20 an hour baggage handlers. I'm a baggage supervisor for Comair in Cincinnati and I only make $15 ... of course Comair is only a regional airline. Some of my Delta partners are making about $20, yet the regular handler tops at around $17 - and some of those guys have been around for 20 years or so! My crew makes around $11 or $12 bucks an hour. As for making more than some of the regional pilots ... it's always been tough for them getting started - I've always made more than some of those guys. Look at the list above ... you have to consider the aircraft they're flying. For instance, the Beech 1990's and Dash 8's are little, old, turbo-prop clunkers. The guys who fly those are just breaking into the business at the bottom of the scale and flying "part-time". A booger-pickin', mouth-breathing baggage handler making $12 40 hours a week always makes more. Dunkle - I don't like the unions either but the airlines are suffering for many other reasons than just union wages. Look at the high cost of fuel these days! That's the biggie right there. Also, health and benefits costs. The price per seat mile for operating most airlines have gone way up and ticket prices have had to shrink over the last few years. Tough biz.
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that is their quick quote page and make following selections on drop downs (same ones I did)
service type 3-5 days trip type round trip quantity One Item type Large Suitcase 60lbs
then select get quote and see what it says then try the same thing with 2 day delivery and next day delivery and see what it says.. also notice that you did not select hawaii or overseas destinations (they are more) thats where I got the information directly from their site andso can anyone else that is even mildly interested.
That's for service now, not for the Luggage Express that will be in operation on a much larger scale.
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I am not in this stock, but it is on my radar because I believe in the concept. I think the comparisons to the cost on shipping luggage now to what it will be if the market shifts forus are two different things. The cost of shipping luggage will drop drastically and the price of tickets will be adjusted modestly. Also you have to remember that the issue pushing this is security at least as much as cost. Once the luggage is seperated from the passenger the danger to the plane diminishes. (Not as much fun to blow a plane of luggage out of the sky see) Some seem to be concerned with the empty cargo holds and the lost usage. Trust the 'market' to find a suitable use. I believe that to some extent, this concept is a sure thing. The question is who will be prepared to enter the battle when the time is right.
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quote:Originally posted by redgurl19: All of you are dissing this company. Stop it. And cheeer on!
not everyone, I hold here till it goes up again, and it will go up again. It is too bad many only look at this venture one sided and can't see its potential. But guess what, it will go ahead without them and someday the will have to admit they were wrong. Actually, I take that back because bullheaded people never admit being wrong.
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held forever ...will go down to .008 IMO before it moves back up again....next rise probably won't come soon...
---I will buy at.008 or there abouts...better opportunities to make money out there right now, then having a stock thats going down, followed by a slow upswing
not a pumper, dumper, or guru but have held USXP since 2001( until Feb)...anyone else had that long? and I know this stock very well....
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RA has kept this 'thing' afloat for over 20 years. I don't think it will go down in flames anytime soon. Do your DD and spend a dime. All pennies are risky and this one is no exception. But with risk there is often reward.
-------------------- Making it a little at a time....Now is the time to determine if you are a man or a mouse. Posts: 1543 | From: Ogilvie, MN, US | Registered: Apr 2004
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HUh...how is that really far off redurl...its at .0139 right now .....less than 4/10ths of a penny right now>>>>>>Not Far Away far away from a penny
***remember i've seen this swing many times over 5 years alot higher than it was to under a penny...although it may rise again dont say i didnt warn you***
***do your homework** GLTA
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With volume off by a ton and price dropping, if RA doesn't announce a deal completion or some significant news this soon, will be sub-penny by the EOW at the latest.
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Ohio_Trader.... you were right I sold half of my remaining shares yesterday at .0139 and sitting on the other half. I bought at .0035 and held til it got up to about .04 then had to chase it down and sold a bunch at .03 Would like to hold on to what I have left but if it drops below. 008 gonna dump all of it and Buy back in at the bottom. Sorry for all those that bought in at .02 or higher.
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