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Peaser01 & dustoff101, What are you two doing here if you dont own why care??? - BUGS- IS SURE IN THE CRAPPER. JUST GOT NOTHING TO DO?
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quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Can a class action lawsuit be turned on a person that manipulates a message board by removing people's warnings about a bad stock and those that pump it?
No nothing can be done to pumpers or dumpers. The only time I saw anyone get nailed for pumping and dumping was a 17 yr old kid that made a few million from it. But I think they want after him because he was 17.
I think you misread my post. I mentioned the person that manipulates the message boards by removing posted warnings about bad stocks.
Oh I know what your talking about. I think you could have a case with that. Freedom of speech comes to mind since this is a public form.
I have many posts saved that have been deleted that were not a direct attack on anyone from this message board. The person behind removing such postings could have a class action suit brought against him/her I do so rightly believe.
It's pretty bad when someone is warned about a potential scam stock and then the warnings get covered up. Could it have been for personal gain?
quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Frank mentioned something like he has a sound mind, I wonder why he needs to leave his pills out on a table for the world to see if he has a sound mind and can remember to take his pills. Oh, I forgot, he can not remember to take his pills unless they are sitting in front of him.
Frank bluffed a good one there.
LMAO Ok, there are so many VALID things to point out that are negative about this stock. Are you honestly saying that CEO's don't forget things like taking their pills?
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quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Can a class action lawsuit be turned on a person that manipulates a message board by removing people's warnings about a bad stock and those that pump it?
No nothing can be done to pumpers or dumpers. The only time I saw anyone get nailed for pumping and dumping was a 17 yr old kid that made a few million from it. But I think they want after him because he was 17.
I think you misread my post. I mentioned the person that manipulates the message boards by removing posted warnings about bad stocks.
Oh I know what your talking about. I think you could have a case with that. Freedom of speech comes to mind since this is a public form.
I have many posts saved that have been deleted that were not a direct attack on anyone from this message board. The person behind removing such postings could have a class action suit brought against him/her I do so rightly believe.
It's pretty bad when someone is warned about a potential scam stock and then the warnings get covered up. Could it have been for personal gain?
I think you have a case. A cover up and personal gain.
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quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Frank mentioned something like he has a sound mind, I wonder why he needs to leave his pills out on a table for the world to see if he has a sound mind and can remember to take his pills. Oh, I forgot, he can not remember to take his pills unless they are sitting in front of him.
Frank bluffed a good one there.
LMAO Ok, there are so many VALID things to point out that are negative about this stock. Are you honestly saying that CEO's don't forget things like taking their pills?
Um, well. I know some CEO's. They don't sit at their desk with pills sitting out in front for the whole world to see. Talk about unprofessional.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by imakmony2005: [QB] Peaser01 & dustoff101, What are you two doing here if you dont own why care??? - BUGS- IS SURE IN THE CRAPPER. JUST GOT NOTHING TO DO?
------------------------------------------------- imamonkey, ya got quite a winner here yourself.LOL
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NO BUT IM NOT COMING TO BUGS THREAD AND BASHING.
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quote:Originally posted by imakmony2005: Peaser01 & dustoff101, What are you two doing here if you dont own why care??? - BUGS- IS SURE IN THE CRAPPER. JUST GOT NOTHING TO DO?
Well, would you be happy with a percentage of your original investment? Or nothing at all? Your choice.
Just been trying to warn folks for the last few months.
quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Frank mentioned something like he has a sound mind, I wonder why he needs to leave his pills out on a table for the world to see if he has a sound mind and can remember to take his pills. Oh, I forgot, he can not remember to take his pills unless they are sitting in front of him.
Frank bluffed a good one there.
LMAO Ok, there are so many VALID things to point out that are negative about this stock. Are you honestly saying that CEO's don't forget things like taking their pills?
Um, well. I know some CEO's. They don't sit at their desk with pills sitting out in front for the whole world to see. Talk about unprofessional.
Nah, not really. This is still a small company and Frank doesn't sound like the type that is too worried about appearances. Hell, Ted Turner drove a late 70's pos pickup truck well into the 1990's, a lot of people I am sure thought that was unprofessional. There is a big difference between most "professionals" and most people who start businesses from scratch. Let's worry about the real problems with this stock.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by imakmony2005: [QB] NO BUT IM NOT COMING TO BUGS THREAD AND BASHING. ------------------------------------------------- Come on over and bash away on bugs, hell I've been po'd at the stock for days and have given advice to get out.
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Hey Peaser, I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I am just as frustrated as everyone else. Just trying to keep a level keel on my positives and my negatives at this point.
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So dustoff, just so i get your thoughts straight...
I asked you why you said "massive buyback wont happen."
you said because Frank dosent have 8M dollars in cash...
Now dustoff, i hate to sound rude, and i am not completely sure, but im guessing at the fact that Frank could probably take out a loan or a line of credit against his 1 Billion dollars in assests???This is just a guess though.
So the arguement goes on dustoff...
**Do you think anyone can get a loan or anything of the sort for 8Million dollars when they have tangibale assets of over 1 Billion? thanks for your help
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Miller Time, hey dude I got my arse kicked by bugs. Dern microbes! I can relate to your frame of mind..
BTW, when I was in Nam 71-72 we used to get Army issue 3.2 Millers in cans, even after taking a CO2 fire extinguisher to um to cool um down they were still Skunky..
Have not been able to drink a Millers, sense!
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quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Can a class action lawsuit be turned on a person that manipulates a message board by removing people's warnings about a bad stock and those that pump it?
No nothing can be done to pumpers or dumpers. The only time I saw anyone get nailed for pumping and dumping was a 17 yr old kid that made a few million from it. But I think they want after him because he was 17.
I think you misread my post. I mentioned the person that manipulates the message boards by removing posted warnings about bad stocks.
Oh I know what your talking about. I think you could have a case with that. Freedom of speech comes to mind since this is a public form.
I have many posts saved that have been deleted that were not a direct attack on anyone from this message board. The person behind removing such postings could have a class action suit brought against him/her I do so rightly believe.
It's pretty bad when someone is warned about a potential scam stock and then the warnings get covered up. Could it have been for personal gain?
peaser, i have been around and witnessed many message boards and individuals who have been prosecuted for not only personal attacks...
I no i am going off a bit guys, but i am trying to clear many issues up...
to you peaser, you can have your posts deleted or prosecturd for many more things than just personal attacks... 1. pumps 2. dumps 3. false information 4. etc.
Lebed is a great example
And currently in my trading room, we have had rumors that there has been an SEC offical watching over our room to observe the posts that are made.
Hope this helps
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quote:Originally posted by g-invest: Why did you delete my post?
------------------------------------------------- I wanted to re-read your post as well! This constant editing out posts with a differant point of view is B/S..
Or that challenge the status Quo is outa line. \
Name calling, slanderous remarks and abusive remarks towards others are not tolerated by Allstock's I would suggest that you read your user agreement.
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quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Miller Time, I think the Banks would not go along with a loan to buy back billions of shares on a Pink.. Especialy one with a collapsing PPS.
They may see conflicts of interest that could get them in legal trouble.
ok well dustoff, i acknowledge and appreciate your opinion.
As long as you and peaser will come in here and give logical reasons why Q is not doing well, and not just Frank is an idiot get out i told you earlier.
Our conversation here, we have agreed to disagree.. What it comes down to now, is would the banks put up the loan for Frank with the assests he has...I personally would think that they would, and probably have the interest rate at like 20%...but i dont know all that much about loaning out money.
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quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: So dustoff, just so i get your thoughts straight...
I asked you why you said "massive buyback wont happen."
you said because Frank dosent have 8M dollars in cash...
Now dustoff, i hate to sound rude, and i am not completely sure, but im guessing at the fact that Frank could probably take out a loan or a line of credit against his 1 Billion dollars in assests???This is just a guess though.
So the arguement goes on dustoff...
**Do you think anyone can get a loan or anything of the sort for 8Million dollars when they have tangibale assets of over 1 Billion? thanks for your help
The answer is yes! Then 6 months later when the stock worth considerably more after the audit, from upcoming games, good sub numbers & more carrage, you start another run by announcing elimination of debt for equity!
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Frank needs to let potential investors know exactly how many more restricted shares are yet to be diluting the market or how much more dilution he intends to do.
For those of you that have sold at a loss, I suggest contacting the SEC to report Frank.
I have sold, but I still own about a million shares in this that, after today, I think I'm just going to leave and forget.
If anyone ever wants to contact me for a group play, I'd be up for it, just PM me. As far as QBID goes, though, I'm done till this mythical audit comes out.
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quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Miller Time, I think the Banks would not go along with a loan to buy back billions of shares on a Pink.. Especialy one with a collapsing PPS.
They may see conflicts of interest that could get them in legal trouble.
ok well dustoff, i acknowledge and appreciate your opinion.
As long as you and peaser will come in here and give logical reasons why Q is not doing well, and not just Frank is an idiot get out i told you earlier.
Our conversation here, we have agreed to disagree.. What it comes down to now, is would the banks put up the loan for Frank with the assests he has...I personally would think that they would, and probably have the interest rate at like 20%...but i dont know all that much about loaning out money.
------------------------------------------------ By Wizknock: The answer is yes! Then 6 months later when the stock worth considerably more after the audit, from upcoming games, good sub numbers & more carrage, you start another run by announcing elimination of debt for equity!
------------------------------------------------- One problem with that theory is they have to have a certain number of signed deals before they can cinch the deal with the carriars, correct?
The Bank would see that. Also, all this talk about doing all these differant things that manipulate the PPS by the company would certainly put up some red flags to the Bank.. That is called stock manipulation if the Feds wanted to prosecute.
It could really get ugly if the SEC thinks all these schemes by the company to control the PPS is in the interest of insiders.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MillerTIME: [QB] Dustoff, again i dont know much about how banks loan money,...but......
The way i think about it is Frank goes to the bank, or maybe 2 or 3 and shows the audit revelaing the assets...
He then asks for 2-3 M per bank or whatever...
Then the bank goes over the assets, signs them off as collateral and they give him the loan if they like it.
But, i dont think they are going to be investigating a possible stock manipulation.
Were talking about a bank giving out a loan??am i mistaken here, anybody else?
----------------------------------------------- MT, here is the problem, the bank will want clear title to the assets..If the title is cloudy because of the old shell? They won't touch it..He needs to work on the private sector for money..
Another problem? Banks don't want loans scattered all over the place with other banks, when it is the same colateral.
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All the bank cares about are assets and liabilities. Stock PPS is factored into this equation. Most Publically Held Companies have open lines of credit with banks - it is whatever the companies liquidity level is that determines the amount of credit and the pct to be associated with it. The Bank isn't told what the money is for (hence the manipulation of stock theory is BS) just that the company needs it.
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quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: [QUOTE]Originally posted by MillerTIME: [QB] Dustoff, again i dont know much about how banks loan money,...but......
The way i think about it is Frank goes to the bank, or maybe 2 or 3 and shows the audit revelaing the assets...
He then asks for 2-3 M per bank or whatever...
Then the bank goes over the assets, signs them off as collateral and they give him the loan if they like it.
But, i dont think they are going to be investigating a possible stock manipulation.
Were talking about a bank giving out a loan??am i mistaken here, anybody else?
----------------------------------------------- MT, here is the problem, the bank will want clear title to the assets..If the title is cloudy because of the old shell? They won't touch it..He needs to work on the private sector for money..
Another problem? Banks don't want loans scattered all over the place with other banks, when it is the same colateral.
Yeah i know what you mean about being scattered...sorry didnt mean it like that...
well we will just have to see if they can get the loan...i sure would like to hope they could, but you never know. thanks for the valid points dustoff, good to see a different side of things
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slug: [QB] All the bank cares about are assets and liabilities. Stock PPS is factored into this equation. Most Publically Held Companies have open lines of credit with banks - it is whatever the companies liquidity level is that determines the amount of credit and the pct to be associated with it. The Bank isn't told what the money is for (hence the manipulation of stock theory is BS) just that the company needs it.
------------------------------------------------ Does Franks agreement with the Bank Line of credit say the money can be used to manipulate the PPS? I don't think so.
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Just a thought !! Frank said at CC that OS was 44 , that will include restricted and float . lets break it down :
Franks owns 53% of 44 =23.3 bil So OS excluding Franks =20.7 bil 5 bil restricted for 5 years =leaves 14.7 bil 14.7 bil = shareholders shares + Resrticted that matured this year and was sold on open market .
lets break this number further :
How much of that TMM employee hold How much of that average Shareholders and how much of that private investors hold
average shareholders hold 3-4 bil (may be less)? TMM employees hold 1 bil ? private shareholders = 3 bil
thats about 8 bil shares
So leaves restricted that was matured and sold open market about 8 bil shares !!
How much would it cost to purchase that 8 bil at average .0006? That will cost 4.8 million dollars
Now Frank posted that QTN primary Audit has 30% less than expected debt , thats about 3.3 million dollars !!
Very close number to purchase all Restricted got sold at open market ...
What would Frank do next , how much can he retire of all that he owns and keep 53% ownership ?
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Pennies i dont want to sound arguementative. I just listened to the tape again. He stated several times that the self inflicted date that they want the audit done by is the end of the month.
he also stated that if he gets it done by the end of the month he would dress up like Kate Smith and ill sing god bless america.
he stated that he would have the audit done by the end of the month.
he also stated earlier in the tape that once the audit was done it would take them a couple of weeks to get it out to us, he repeated several times the several weeks you will know.
he never lied, he told you the truth in a way that you can interpret it what ever way you want.
once you learn to see it, then you can start to understand what is happening.
i dont want to gloat, but i said right after the CC and stuck to the fact that we would not see the audit untill the second week of November, at the earliest.
im still holding, Im not going to sell at these levels. I will ride this to the bottom before i sell. I have stated that for many many months.
i still feel that we will make some money on this company, my sights are still set out at least a year.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by pennnies: The reason Frank sent out the letter yesturday was to keep the buys coming in. He said he would release the audit by the 31st. Why? To keep the buying pressure. Think about it guys.
Tons of shares are being dumped. How else could we get this low?
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Why do you keep saying WE if you sold your stocks?
you kill me.
quote:Originally posted by pennnies: my guess we open tomorrow at .0006 and then shortly after hit .0004x.0005... Then my guess a PR that says they are going to do something about the price and buys come in and nothing happens. And we go lower...
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