quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime: I posted this on another board and I want to post here as well.
I like to compare QTV to Sirius. I'm sorry if you don't like that but the comparison is fair since they are both mass media, new markets, and new breakthrough ideas. And if you want to be conservative, let's go with this:
Assuming QBID has 7B in the float and Sirius has 1.2B. That makes the very conservative multiple about 10 to 1. Ok. Now a little history.
December 31, 2002 # of Sirius Subscribers: 29,947 Stock Price: .56 PPS per subscriber: .000018 dollars
QBID price assuming 22,000 subscribers and exact same situation that SIRI was in: .0056 dollars. Hmmm, we are at .0018.
December 31, 2003 # of Sirius Subscribers: 261,061 Stock Price: $3.16 PPS per subscriber: .000012 dollars
The SIRI PPS per subscriber is keeping fairly constant so it is a fair comparison. Assuming that a factor is built in that accounts for Sirius not having to have "carriers", a 3.5 to 4 time multiple is fair.
My point is that I think we (QBID) are where we are supposed to be pps wise based on our subscriber numbers (assuming valid subscriber numbers) and the carriage situation.
What is also uncanny are the bashers. 3 years ago, they were saying the EXACT same things I am seeing on this board to other Sirius investors. Check Yahoo Messages for yourself. Message number 500000 puts you in May 2003. Really, check it out for yourself
Optimus Very interesting information. Nice job. And I don't need to check it out . . . I trust your analysis and your conclusions.
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quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime: This too.
And another point. For all you people who are scared of LOGO and say Q is done: Well XM went up first and has 4 times the subscribers of Sirius. Well, Sirius is STILL HERE.
Why don't all of you sell all your Chevron stock (second to Exxon Mobil), AMD stock (second to Intel), Dell Stock (second to IBM), Albertson's stock (second to Safeway), Lowe's stock (second to Home Depot), and Target stock (second to Wal-Mart).
Optimus More good stuff. Thanks again.
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but it is independance day tomorrow so everyone is out partying tonight ant tomorrow
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"Don't do anything regarding my posts. Still a pink. glty"
Firefly, Thanks, but LOL I never buy because someone tells me too. I actualy do belive this could be huge. Or atleast make me some $$. If I ever loose a penny, it was my own doing.
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quote:Originally posted by firefly: Hi all,,I was driving to the store in downtown Decatur, GA (very close to downtown ATL). I saw a guy walking his dog. He had a Q hat and T shirt on. I was blown away. I turned around and told him I was an investor. He said he works contract and was at Joe,s and Pride. He said Q wasn't on air yet in ATL but they are working on it.
It blew me away to see a perfect stranger wearing Q gear.
Very interesting. What did this guy mean "he works contract" & "they" are working on it?
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quote:Originally posted by newbie do: Why is it that the "Gem" channel that looks like it's being produced in someones garage can make it on DirectTV and Q can't ???
Doesn't make sense.
newbie What is the "Gem" channel?
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Selling jewlery, simular to the jewlery television channel which is also on DirectTV. My point is how do these channels and other off the wall channels have the ability to be shown and Frank struggles getting Q on. The DirectTV rumor has been alive for over a year.
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newbie do, is that the channel where the dude always yells stuff like.."This is the last one at this low price of only $2499 so call now!!!!" That is off the wall and annoying. I wonder how the quality is on the jewels? OH well. I see your point every tom dick and harry channel can get on Direct TV and here is Q with an awesome lineup,more in the works,143 film library and we are on the sidelines! Hopefully not for long!! GO Q!!!!!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by firefly: Hi all,,I was driving to the store in downtown Decatur, GA (very close to downtown ATL). I saw a guy walking his dog. He had a Q hat and T shirt on. I was blown away. I turned around and told him I was an investor. He said he works contract and was at Joe,s and Pride. He said Q wasn't on air yet in ATL but they are working on it.
It blew me away to see a perfect stranger wearing Q gear.
Very interesting. What did this guy mean "he works contract" & "they" are working on it?
He was part of the technical team whiz. Q is trying to get on in ATL.
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its no longer a matter of if they do but when they do.
its just a matter of time and patience.
there are a couple more things that have to fall in place first.
one is reporting status the other i believe is the HDTV capability.
of course a new exchange would help as well.
but the first 2 i believe will lead to the announcement of carriage.
Rod
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Happy independance day to everyone. I hope everyone is haveing a great day and a safe day.
we have had excellent weather all weekend up here. I hope you all have the same.
Rod
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: im wondering if they are waiting for this before they go to the new carriers. I brought this up a while back, All carriers channels have to be HDTV by a certain point. maybe that is what the wait is for. If we could figure out when the HDTV equipment is being installed, or purchased say in a studio deal, maybe we would be on to something as to when we will see carriers.
Good point Rod, might make sense as to why they have had delays/issues with Pridevision as well.
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HAPPY 4TH ALL. LETS GET THAT GREEN GOING QQQQQQQQQQGREEN.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: im wondering if they are waiting for this before they go to the new carriers. I brought this up a while back, All carriers channels have to be HDTV by a certain point. maybe that is what the wait is for. If we could figure out when the HDTV equipment is being installed, or purchased say in a studio deal, maybe we would be on to something as to when we will see carriers.
Good point Rod, might make sense as to why they have had delays/issues with Pridevision as well.
Why wouldn't Frank let the investors know if that was the situation? Maybe they have been turned down by the major carriers. I'm going to try and find out what it takes to do business with DirectTv.
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I don't think we are going to see anything from Frank until the buyback and the audit is complete. I think he is being very cautious. I also think that he will put the development of Q ahead of what we want to hear. When the time is right it will all fall together and the pps will reflect that.
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Nice to see you aroung Jennifer,and I agree 100%. We just need to be patient and soon we will be rewarded. Some more than others(you) LOL
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Money is wonderful, but the reward of the heart is priceless. I feel privileged to be part of a new era where a segement of society is ataining their due respect and,yes, freedom. We are part of history and we will get paid for it.
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hi all just wanted to say that im still in qbid .im not selling and everyday that qbid stays at these current pps levels i feel like my prayers have been answered.i know that i appear as a pumper but i have talked to alot of people in nyc (manhatten area) and quite a few more are starting to say yeah ive heard of qtv.so im excited and im buying more.
4.5 million long strong accumulating and im a proud patient shareholder that beleives in the future of qbids stock.best of luck to you all.careful all of you new investors even though i feel the pps is an awsome deal right now.i am willing to wait this one out.it might take six months it might take years, it might just go bankrupt and our dreams go down the drain.but i will be their and if things go as i expect them to i will certainly join many of you in qtv's vegas party.best of luck to you all and may you have moments of joy ,pleasure and serenity more often then you currently have.
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By Linda Moss 7/4/2005
"Here!, already available in 44 million homes, and Q Television Network, both pay services, reportedly are putting the finishing touches on new distribution deals with MSOs." Logo, the new gay-targeted network, overachieved at birth last week.
The new basic-cable channel launched last week in 13 million homes, with commitments taking it to nearly 18 million homes. That's 8 million more than the 10 million Logo promised to have at launch and includes a July 1 deal with top U.S. MSO Comcast Corp.
It also lined up a solid roster of charter sponsors, led by Miller Brewing Co.'s Miller Lite and Motorola Inc.
"We exceeded our expectations on both distribution and advertising, and it's just going to be great television," Logo general manager Lisa Sherman said.
Logo isn't the only gay-aimed cable TV service racking up initial successes. Here!, already available in 44 million homes, and Q Television Network, both pay services, reportedly are putting the finishing touches on new distribution deals with MSOs.
MTV Networks tied up several crucial last-minute carriage agreements for Logo, which went on the air last Thursday at 9 p.m. with a serious table-setter, The Evolution Will Be Televised, a traditional-style documentary tracking the emergence of the gay community over the past few decades, through landmark events like 1969's Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village and through pop-culture breakthroughs like Bravo's Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and Showtime's Queer as Folk and The L Word.
Logo debuted Thursday night in 13 million homes. The new network was also being carried on Comcast's urban San Francisco system -- a key market -- on Thursday evening, even though the MSO didn't formally announce that it had a Logo carriage deal until Friday.
Comcast will add Logo to its Digital Plus package in select markets during the next 90 days -- and also get 10 hours of Logo fare to offer to digital customers on-demand.
LAST-DAY DEALS A day before its launch, Logo wrapped up carriage deals with DirecTV Inc. and Charter Communications Inc.
"DirecTV gives us the national footprint that we were hoping to have," Sherman said.
Logo also has affiliation agreements with Cablevision Systems Corp., Time Warner Cable in New York City, Adelphia Communications Corp., RCN Corp. and Atlantic Broadband.
Negotiations continue with other carriers, including Cox Communications Inc.
While there's been an uptick of cable offerings for the gay and transgender community, Logo is the first to be backed by a major media company -- powerful Viacom Inc. -- and the first offered as a basic service.
That positioning could prove problematic, making Logo vulnerable to a potential backlash.
Logo officials are downplaying that prospect, but several conservative watchdog groups, such as the Traditional Values Coalition and Concerned Women for America, are already voicing concerns about Logo -- and threatening action.
"This [Logo] appears to be an effort to indoctrinate our children," said Janice Crouse, senior fellow for the Concerned Women's think tank, the Beverly LaHaye Institute. "We have not determined exactly what our response is going to be at this point, but we very definitely will be doing something.
"We have grassroots organizations in 20 different states and we have prayer chapters in even more states. So we can mobilize people very quickly and very effectively."
NOT 'INDOCTRINATING' Logo officials said the network's not interested in indoctrinating America's youth. "Logo is an entertainment channel programmed specifically for and about gay Americans 25 and above," a network spokesman said.
Elsewhere, the Traditional Values Coalition, a lobbying organization with 43,000 member churches, is urging members to write their cable operators if they start carrying Logo, according to the group's executive director, Andrea Lafferty.
"A big problem with this is -- there are many problems -- one being that it's not a pay-per-view kind of thing," she said. "On basic it comes right into the home. … People don't want this kind of stuff in their home."
Coming from another perspective, QTN CEO Frank Olsen voiced his own concerns.
"I don't say we have to hide in the closet," Olsen said. But he believes basic cable should be "generic," and that Logo risks offense by coming into a home uninvited.
"Here's what I'm afraid of -- that Logo will stir up the pot. I think we should have a gay tier. That way, if someone subscribes, they know what they're getting."
Having already signed up a solid roster of distributors, Logo won't be deterred by such worries.
"We cannot allow that to be a problem for us," Sherman said. "Our mission is really to serve this audience, and that's what we're really focused on. To the extent we get bogged down in any of that, it's just going to take us off our game."
AD ROSTER SWELLS Last week, Logo updated its advertiser roster with not only Miller Lite and Motorola but also Tylenol PM, Lions Gate Films, Key West - The Fabulous Gay & Lesbian Destination, and Logo's sister service, Showtime Networks Inc.
"It's just a testament to how they view this channel and this audience," Sherman said.
Officials with Here! and QTN said they deliberately avoided Logo's ad-supported route. Here! is available as a premium, on demand or via PPV, while QTN is a premium network.
QTN -- a self-described gay sports, information and entertainment network -- wants "to be invited into homes," according to Olsen.
Paul Colichman, Here!'s founder and CEO, felt he'd have to make too many compromises to satisfy advertisers if his service, which offers a wide array of original programming and theatricals, was on basic.
"It was incompatible with getting a lot of carriage, which is what I wanted," he said. "And the basic-cable model was one that was difficult for me creatively, because of what advertisers would let me do, and difficult for me on a business level, because cable operators and satellite providers were uninterested in basic channels in general, and specifically uninterested in basic channels that might alienate a significant percent of their subscribers."
Here! is carried by DirecTV, EchoStar Communications Corp.'s Dish Network, Comcast, Charter, Cox, Time Warner, Cablevision and RCN.
QTN is now only carried by RCN, but Olsen said it is close to finalizing agreements with two MSOs that would make it available to 25 million homes. BASIC STANDARDS Officials stressed that Logo will program within the normal standards of basic cable, with acquisitions that include HBO's Angels in America and a library of 200 films.
"Our mission is to be a general-entertainment channel that represents the diversity of the LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] audience, and that the programming be authentic and real," Sherman said. "I like to say we will focus on gay people as subject and not object. And we put them in the center of our stories."
But groups like the Traditional Values Coalition object to any depiction of homosexuality as a "legitimate" lifestyle.
One of Logo's original series is Noah's Arc, about a group of gay men in Los Angeles.
"You know what?" Lafferty said. "There were no gays on the ark. Homosexuals cannot multiply. God brought in animals and humans two-by-two so they could multiply. So there were no homosexuals on the ark."
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"QTN is now only carried by RCN, but Olsen said it is close to finalizing agreements with two MSOs that would make it available to 25 million homes."
Sounds good. Maybe I'm just tired but I can not think of what an MSO is. Can anyone tell me?
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ive cancelled now im going for .0019 and still no fill. my feelings is we are due for a bit of a run coming this week.i dont know if this is the big one that we have all been waiting for but i think that we may be heading up quickly. ok just got an email i bought another 500k @ .0019 yahoooooooooooo.
5million long strong and accumulating !!!
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MSO stands for Multi-Service Operators. This means they offer Television and Internet service, also some can and do and offer Phone service as well. This is what I have been able to find out, hopefully I'm right with this, because it brings Verizon back into the picture. Just speculation however.
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quote:Originally posted by noah129: ive cancelled now im going for .0019 and still no fill. my feelings is we are due for a bit of a run coming this week.i dont know if this is the big one that we have all been waiting for but i think that we may be heading up quickly. ok just got an email i bought another 500k @ .0019 yahoooooooooooo.
5million long strong and accumulating !!!
Man you are a buying machine lately. It might be a contagious. I'm going to hold out for .0018 for now and see what happens.
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