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Bill, I don't want you to leave and I know for a fact you have contributed to this board. Sorry if you took what I said wrong.

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i stated before that the CC caused more harm then good. they added 256 shades of grey.

no one should be mad at each other here. they should be mad that they are purposely avoiding answering the question about the O/S count.

they are purposely not answering for a reason. maybe to keep the price down for the buyback, maybe to keep us confused. maybe to kill the day traders. either way, there is no sence in argueing the numbers that we dont really know any how.


peace guys and girls.

talk to you all soon.
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I agree 100% Rod.
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ric...i take my honesty very seriously not only here but in my business life. if you notice i had in 1 post said i forgot if the shares Q called restricted was 5 or 6 billion i had 5 in my head. second the 9.5 was not in question, the guy that answered who i did not remember his name as i stated, he called back while i was in the middle of a quote at work, had as close to no question franks shares are part of the 9.5. his words "99.9% sure" he had been out 1 week because of a broken nose, thats why the call back which i stated. the first person i talked to would not answer any questions for o/s numbers as he wanted me to talk to the right person, the one that would know as he said. now maybe your right but that would mean the person i talked to lied as he has not called back to correct his statement which he said he would do. i do agree that frank should say things correctly & give better info (pr's a good example). i dont mind disagreeing with someone, its good for the brain, causes differant thoughts. but i dont take kindly to being called a lair.

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I take mine very serious too so I know how you feel so sorry If I made you feel that way. Maybe we can all get a christmas present with a PR clearing everything up. I can hope can't I, lol.


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quote:
Originally posted by 1BigTip:
Hey, just playing with some numbers. If you managed to make just 10% profit every month with a $5000 investment, you will have 1 million dollars in 5 years. JUST 10% a month!

Here's the PPS for QBID if it did 10% per month starting at .0035

Month --- Price
1 -- 0.0035
2 -- 0.00385
3 -- 0.00423
4 -- 0.00465
5 -- 0.0051
6 -- 0.0056
7 -- 0.0062
8 -- 0.0068
9 -- 0.0075
10 -- 0.0082
11 -- 0.009
12 -- 0.0099
13 -- 0.0109
14 -- 0.012
15 -- 0.013
16 -- 0.0146
17 -- 0.016
18 -- 0.0176
19 -- 0.0194
20 -- 0.0214
21 -- 0.0235
22 -- 0.0258
23 -- 0.0284
24 -- 0.0313
25 -- 0.0344
26 -- 0.0379
27 -- 0.041
28 -- 0.045
29 -- 0.0504
30 -- 0.0555
31 -- 0.061
32 -- 0.0671
33 -- 0.0738
34 -- 0.0812
35 -- 0.0894
36 -- 0.0983
37 -- 0.108
38 -- 0.119
39 -- 0.13
40 -- 0.14
41 -- 0.158
42 -- 0.174
43 -- 0.19
44 -- 0.21
45 -- 0.23
46 -- 0.255
47 -- 0.28
48 -- 0.3
49 -- 0.33
50 -- 0.37
51 -- 0.41
52 -- 0.45
53 -- 0.49
54 -- 0.546
55 -- 0.6
56 -- 0.66
57 -- 0.72
58 -- 0.8
59 -- 0.88
60 -- 0.96

NOW DO YOU REALLY THINK IT WILL TAKE 5 YEARS TO GET TO .96 CENTS??

DO YOU REALLY THINK IT WILL TAKE 1 YEAR TO GET TO A PENNY??


No, I don't think that it will take anything near a year to get to a penny.

We did it before....we could do it again.

GLTA! Go QBID live!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by 1BigTip:
Hey, just playing with some numbers. If you managed to make just 10% profit every month with a $5000 investment, you will have 1 million dollars in 5 years. JUST 10% a month!

NOW DO YOU REALLY THINK IT WILL TAKE 5 YEARS TO GET TO .96 CENTS??

DO YOU REALLY THINK IT WILL TAKE 1 YEAR TO GET TO A PENNY??


So this is what I'm trying to understand. Stock value is determined by outstanding shares only, not all authorized shares. So if we believe there to be 9.5 billion outstanding shares, including restricted, QTN would need to have a company value of 9.5 billion for the PPS to reach $1. Which most of us realize would not be possible right now.

"they are purposely not answering for a reason. maybe to keep the price down for the buyback" - penny-trader

Could that be a legitimate reason? That would be the best reason for the low pps thats going no where. If we begin the climb in price now it would be ridiculous hard to reach that $1 mark. A payment for $10 million or so from an advertiser would take out over 3.5 billion shares. Just an example.

Essentially couldn't there be a perpetual buy back? A company doesn't lose money when they buy shares and then destroy them. The PPS rises and the shares they hold already rise in proportion to how much of the total O/S was taken off the market. If they only destroyed the shares they bought back then they would now control a larger portion of the total O/S.

For example, if you consider a stock with 100,000 O/S and company X hold 51% for majority vote. The stock is at $50 for a market cap of 5000000. Their current value of 51% of the stock is 2550000. They buy back 20,000 shares for a total of $1,000,000. The lose the million but then gain it back immediately when the value of the 51000 shares they still hold jumps to 62.5 because each share represents more of the company now. 80,000 shares X 62.5 is still a market cap of 5000000.

Now they hold 60% of the vote however and they find it useless to do so. They want to get back down to 51%. 51% of 80,000 is 40800. So they have 9200 shares they can destroy. This means they destroy them correct? That way they only have 40800 AND the O/S has dropped to 70800. Now with only 70800 shares their 40800 shares represent 57% of the company.

They'd have to wait for the PPS to level at the correct value but then they could destroy shares once more to get down to 51%. 51% of 70800 is 36108. They now have 4692 shares that they can destroy. They destroy them to bring total O/S to 66108 and their share percentage would be 54%. You see the pattern here. They just have to wait for price levels to keep up with the changing O/S count.

Eventually they reach a limit to where they can't destroy more shares unless they want to give up majority holding of the company. In this case that limit would be a total O/S of 59183. There were originally 100,000 shares with 49% traded publicly. They buy back 20,000 from that 49% to leave 29,000 shares still being traded publicly. 29000 is 49% of 59183 and company X would hold 30183 shares for 51% majority. Effectively now each share is $84.48. The only problem with this process is the company needs to wait for the PPS to reach the market cap value before they can destroy the extra shares. In this model the company could still grow in value literally and go to a market cap value of 6 million for example. This would cause prices to sky rocket but the company can destroy shares since they only care about the majority holding.

So in our case if Frank bought back 2% of 9.5 billion then he took 190 million shares back leaving 4.275 billion shares still being traded publicly. If he still wants 53% majority he can destroy 214255319 of his own shares to bring the total O/S down to 9095744681. Which would lead to an increase in PPS by 4.2%.

This still leaves us a long ways away from only 1 billion O/S if we would want to hit the dollar mark. This is assuming the company does get to a worth of $1 billion like he predicts. 3.995 billion shares still need to be bought back for Frank to be able to destroy enough of his shares for 1 billion O/S and still keep 53% majority. Currently 3.995 billion shares would cost a little over 11 million dollars. Would that really be that hard to do? Advertisers will be handing millions to tap into the $600 billion dollar target market.

This is all hypothetical and wishful thinking. I'm trying to get a better hold of how a company handles a buy back and what could happen in the coming months. Is a company capable of buying back such amounts without releasing O/S values and information? Last friday QBID had a volume of 83 million shares traded. This is less than the 470 million value mentioned earlier so could it be possible to take the 3+ billion off the market? The loss in volume because of reduced shares available to trade would be made up in Frank buying the shares himself. Since about 4 billion shares would have been bought back, buying an extra 450 million wouldn't be much of an expense to make the investors that hold on the absolute longest extremely happy. Hehe...if QBID reaches a value of $1 billion we only need 20 million shares to give us a PPS of $50. Again this is all just to help me understand whats going on. Besides it's almost 3 AM so a lot of this has been brought on by sleep deprivation.

Let's put it this way. No bashing on how ridiculous this thought is or how I may not know whats happening. I just want answers. I know you guys aren't psychics but if you read the whole thing you'll see I do have questions. Such as do companies destroy their own restricted shares after they buy back and destroy some of the float? I feel they just care about holding majority. Anyways, bed time? Matt

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But O/S is not 9.5 Billion. Its much larger but no one knows for sure how much larger. The 6 Billion restricted shares were not included in the 9.5 billion figure. They are added to the 9.5 billion alone with unknown numbers. Read transcripts of CC. We have gone over this too many times now.

Ric

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quote:
Originally posted by Ric:
But O/S is not 9.5 Billion. Its much larger but no one knows for sure how much larger. The 6 Billion restricted shares were not included in the 9.5 billion figure. They are added to the 9.5 billion alone with unknown numbers. Read transcripts of CC. We have gone over this too many times now.

Ric

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Sorry about the wrong values. Even if there are 50 billion O/S it still remains possible for complete buyback for a company predicting a value of $1 billion within a year and 5-6 billion in 5 years. I still asked concteptual questions that I'd like answered. Matt


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quote:
Originally posted by permanentjaun:
Stock value is determined by outstanding shares only

Give me strength. First of all nobody will read a post which looks like 1 long sentence. Break it up into seperate paragraphs, easier on the eyes.

Second, WHAT WAS OUR O/S IN APRIL WHEN WE WENT TO 3 CENTS?? Is that hard to keep in your head. We did it before, we'll do it again, plain & simple. STOP ACTING LIKE A FOOL AND TRYING TO TELL US WITH OUR CURRENT NUMBERS WE CAN'T GET OVER A PENNY.

WE WILL..


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Tradetrek now shows up.
http://www.tradetrek.com/NN/default.asp?symbol=QBID


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Just got back from a trip with my family to Niagra Falls. Had a chance to read up. Some new faces and some old questions. Just my observations. Have a great day.

Go Q

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GOOD MORNING ALL,

I WANNA SEE GREEN!!

PLEASE

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Good morning everyone!

DIANA--Are you still in MBAH...news out today.

GO QBID!!


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quote:
Originally posted by 1BigTip:
Give me strength. First of all nobody will read a post which looks like 1 long sentence. Break it up into seperate paragraphs, easier on the eyes.

Second, WHAT WAS OUR O/S IN APRIL WHEN WE WENT TO 3 CENTS?? Is that hard to keep in your head. We did it before, we'll do it again, plain & simple. STOP ACTING LIKE A FOOL AND TRYING TO TELL US WITH OUR CURRENT NUMBERS WE CAN'T GET OVER A PENNY.

WE WILL..


Sorry about the one long sentance format. When I typed it I did have seperate paragraphs with indentations. I'll edit that now.

Once again you're thinking I'm bashing. Not once did I say I didn't believe QBID could reach a penny or more. At most I said with 15 billion O/S we may not reach $1 PPS. Is that so bad? I originally thought, along with a few others, that we could because of the fact that rarely any network stock is less than $1. With such a large market and profitibility for advertisers it seemed very possible. My post is to ask the question is if $1 dollar is really out of the question for QBID if it does have 15 billion O/S.

As I said, IM NOT BASHING. You literally tried to put words in my mouth when I hadn't said anything about QBID not reaching a penny or three. With 15 billion O/S they only need a market cap of 150 million to reach the penny which is well under the 1 billion dollar estimate.

I don't know what to ask anymore. I'm just going to get put down. I asked questions about how much of a buy back is possible before the PPS has to rise. I asked if my model of share destruction is possible. I never put down QBID in my post so don't accuse me of bashing. Matt


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quote:
Originally posted by sunny:
Good morning everyone!

DIANA--Are you still in MBAH...news out today.

GO QBID!!


SUNNY,

HAVE BOUGHT AND SOLD MBAH ALMOST EVERYDAY FOR 2 WEEKS+. got in at .03. IT'S BEEN A GREAT RIDE!!! MADE UP FOR QBID LOSS OF LATE!!

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WOOT!! Haven't checked in in a while. More good news on Friday, sweet! That means we should be able to get down to around .0023 today!! Ha!
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Morning all!
Slow day here.

Well how bout that, I just got a call. It was Franky,he/she was looking for Johnny. Wrong #. LOL

On a positive note, last year I owned PRVH, and kept averaging down from about .09 to .045. I was in the red for 9 months! PRVH ended up going to over .37 early 2004.
It was well worth the wait!
I believe QBID will pay off even greater.
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Institutions trade in large sums of money and large blocks of shares, dwarfing the action of individual investors. An institutional purchase or sale of a stock usually means thousands of shares and millions of dollars moving the stock. Moreover, an institution must commit itself to spend days, weeks or even months to fulfill its goal.

Why? Because if an institution wants to acquire, say, a 1% stake in a stock, it can't do it in one fell swoop. If it did, the buying flurry would make the stock's price rise too fast, forcing the institution to chase its tail as it watches its own buying activity raise costs. Instead, institutions pace themselves, buying smaller yet significant amounts of shares at a time.

That's called accumulation, and it is one of the most important signs that a stock has sunny days ahead. Often, a stock will make modest, little-noticed price gains on above-average volume before it makes a major advance, or just as it begins one. Because the accumulation takes place over prolonged periods, it's likely the stock will make a significant advance thanks to those institutional traders who are buying http://biz.yahoo.com/special/volume04_article1.html


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tqn,
Good info!
thanks.
dz

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For those of us that are bored and want to look at some old archives on Q here is a good link.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011209055811/www.qbid.net/jan7.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20011209055811/www.qbid.net/homepage.html


Did you know we were OTCBB at one time before January 8th, 2000. Well just thought some might like to read articles when our Q began.

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I'm practically institutionalized does my shares count in that number Betty ford institute is around the corner if the pps doesn't soon run. lol
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I feel left out because I did not get a call from Daddy Frank But maybe he is waiting to get some news before he calls me. Anyone willing to guess where the "Q' is heading today. GO QBID!!!!!!

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I think your prediction might come true!

quote:
Originally posted by SnoozenLooze:
WOOT!! Haven't checked in in a while. More good news on Friday, sweet! That means we should be able to get down to around .0023 today!! Ha!


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Today is killing me. The stocks I own and want to go up are down. The stock I want to buy is up.

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Maybe the slow market has to do with all the Bush Cabinet resignations and the business community being anxious about the possible replacements. GO QBID!!!!!

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Thanks qtn--very informative post!

Matt your post was an interesting take and yes hard to read. LOL

Accumulation seems to be slow and painful except when buying...............

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quote:
Originally posted by tqn:
Institutions trade in large sums of money and large blocks of shares, dwarfing the action of individual investors. An institutional purchase or sale of a stock usually means thousands of shares and millions of dollars moving the stock. Moreover, an institution must commit itself to spend days, weeks or even months to fulfill its goal.

Why? Because if an institution wants to acquire, say, a 1% stake in a stock, it can't do it in one fell swoop. If it did, the buying flurry would make the stock's price rise too fast, forcing the institution to chase its tail as it watches its own buying activity raise costs. Instead, institutions pace themselves, buying smaller yet significant amounts of shares at a time.

That's called accumulation, and it is one of the most important signs that a stock has sunny days ahead. Often, a stock will make modest, little-noticed price gains on above-average volume before it makes a major advance, or just as it begins one. Because the accumulation takes place over prolonged periods, it's likely the stock will make a significant advance thanks to those institutional traders who are buying http://biz.yahoo.com/special/volume04_article1.html


Yep! Good post. I believe most of our accumulation is retail at this point. However Institutions do accumulate and deliberately cover their footprint by having MMs break up their buy oders to match many smaller sells.

I'm accumulating my little bit while others give it away!

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After all,,, from my point of veiw,,,

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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since it's a slow day. just received another call from Frank to follow up his tip on my boy potty training. i guess it's one of his interest...giving potty training tip to newly parents. he said once my boy gives up the diapers...our qbid shares will be up running.
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Just some DD:


Top Cable TV & Satellite Companies Ranked By Sales

1. DIRECTV, Inc.
2. Time Warner Cable
3. Cox Communications, Inc. (COX)
4. Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
5. EchoStar Communications Corporation (DISH)
6. Charter Communications, Inc. (CHTR)
7. British Sky Broadcasting Group plc (BSY)
8. Cablevision Systems Corporation (CVC)
9. Adelphia Communications Corporation (ADELQ.PK)
10. SKY Perfect Communications Inc.


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quote:
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since it's a slow day. just received another call from Frank to follow up his tip on my boy potty training. i guess it's one of his interest...giving potty training tip to newly parents. he said once my boy gives up the diapers...our qbid shares will be up running.

Start straping plastic bags on him and let's get this thing going. Take a plastic shopping bag (walmart bags work well) cut out leg holes and use the handles for shoulder straps. You might want to duct tape the bag around his legs to make it waterproof at night.


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quote:
Originally posted by Doctoall:
I feel left out because I did not get a call from Daddy Frank But maybe he is waiting to get some news before he calls me. Anyone willing to guess where the "Q' is heading today. GO QBID!!!!!!


If you have a non-published cell phone number, Frank will call. The guy is amazing. I think maybe he's clairvoyant.


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Matt, I don't recall you asking a question. I have to look back, but stop mentioning the O/S. IT MEANS NOTHING. If your a new investor like you say, you talking an awful lot about the O/S. Read this, maybe it will help.

Someone posted that bashers have a new way of sneaking in, hmmmmm.

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In reply to: dkgross who wrote msg# 6117 Date:4/24/2004 11:23:12 PM
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NUMEROUS COMPANIES TRADE ON THE PINKS.

YOU HAVE MANY COMPANIES THAT TRADE FROM $.0001 ALL THE WAY UP TO OVER $100/SHARE. THIS IS ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION AND TO THINK UPGRADE IS NECESSARY THAT IS WRONG.

THE FACT IS ECNC DID IN FACT JUMP FROM .03 TO $18/SHARE. THAT DID IN FACT HAPPEN. SO TO SAY THAT THE O/S OR MARKET CAP OR WHAT-EVER IS COMPLETELY WRONG; IT'S NOT ONLY WRONG IN RESPECT THAT IT'S WRONG AT FACE VALUE, BUT HERE'S A STOCK THAT DID IT AND THAT SPEAKS MORE THAN SOMEONE TRYING TO TELL US WHAT CAN AND CAN'T HAPPEN.

PLUS ALL THE NUMEROUS OTHER COMPANIES THAT DID THROUGHOUT THE 1990'S.

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Originally posted by permanentjaun:
Sorry about the one long sentance format. When I typed it I did have seperate paragraphs with indentations. I'll edit that now.

Once again you're thinking I'm bashing. Not once did I say I didn't believe QBID could reach a penny or more. At most I said with 15 billion O/S we may not reach $1 PPS. Is that so bad? I originally thought, along with a few others, that we could because of the fact that rarely any network stock is less than $1. With such a large market and profitibility for advertisers it seemed very possible. My post is to ask the question is if $1 dollar is really out of the question for QBID if it does have 15 billion O/S.

As I said, IM NOT BASHING. You literally tried to put words in my mouth when I hadn't said anything about QBID not reaching a penny or three. With 15 billion O/S they only need a market cap of 150 million to reach the penny which is well under the 1 billion dollar estimate.

I don't know what to ask anymore. I'm just going to get put down. I asked questions about how much of a buy back is possible before the PPS has to rise. I asked if my model of share destruction is possible. I never put down QBID in my post so don't accuse me of bashing. Matt



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I thought PPS was always determined by O/S and the value of the company. What makes a company jump from .03 to $18? If it's not the O/S and market cap that will determine the PPS then what are the factors? You may have noticed that Ric has also said he believes QBID may never reach a dollar and also said the share structure needs to change before that happens. What am I not understanding? Matt

Also I can't find a quote for ECNC. Did they change their ticker?

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