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Wow, Frank found my email address as well. he asked everyone's opion if the below theory applied to the pink !!! http://www.esignalcentral.com/learning/likepro/archive/1003/103103.asp Dow theory states that the primary trend (the tide) has three phases: Accumulation, public participation and distribution. If the previous trend was bearish, the bullish trend will start with the accumulation phase represented by informed buying by the most astute buyers because they have recognized that the market has assimilated all the so-called "bad" news.
The public participation phase is where most of the technical trend followers begin to participate, and prices begin to advance rapidly. The distribution phase takes place when the newspapers begin to print increasingly bullish stories, economic news is better than ever and speculative volume increases. It is during this phase that the informed investors begin to distribute before anyone else.
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consumers' confidence for one - market driven for two...imho. chill out Matt, Qbid's time will come. meanwhile, there is nothing anyone can do about it except stocking up if you have $$.
quote:Originally posted by permanentjaun: I thought PPS was always determined by O/S and the value of the company. What makes a company jump from .03 to $18? If it's not the O/S and market cap that will determine the PPS then what are the factors? You may have noticed that Ric has also said he believes QBID may never reach a dollar and also said the share structure needs to change before that happens. What am I not understanding? Matt
Also I can't find a quote for ECNC. Did they change their ticker?
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Kudos on highlighting u4's u4oria (read Euphoria) in the past, thereby adding another level of comedy to the post. Everytime I think back to how positive he was and now how utterly negative he is, it makes me laugh. What a maroon.
quote:Originally posted by 1BigTip: Matt, I don't recall you asking a question. I have to look back, but stop mentioning the O/S. IT MEANS NOTHING. If your a new investor like you say, you talking an awful lot about the O/S. Read this, maybe it will help.
Someone posted that bashers have a new way of sneaking in, hmmmmm.
Posted by: U4TSAF2 In reply to: dkgross who wrote msg# 6117 Date:4/24/2004 11:23:12 PM Post #of 36033
NUMEROUS COMPANIES TRADE ON THE PINKS.
YOU HAVE MANY COMPANIES THAT TRADE FROM $.0001 ALL THE WAY UP TO OVER $100/SHARE. THIS IS ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION AND TO THINK UPGRADE IS NECESSARY THAT IS WRONG.
THE FACT IS ECNC DID IN FACT JUMP FROM .03 TO $18/SHARE. THAT DID IN FACT HAPPEN. SO TO SAY THAT THE O/S OR MARKET CAP OR WHAT-EVER IS COMPLETELY WRONG; IT'S NOT ONLY WRONG IN RESPECT THAT IT'S WRONG AT FACE VALUE, BUT HERE'S A STOCK THAT DID IT AND THAT SPEAKS MORE THAN SOMEONE TRYING TO TELL US WHAT CAN AND CAN'T HAPPEN.
PLUS ALL THE NUMEROUS OTHER COMPANIES THAT DID THROUGHOUT THE 1990'S.
quote:Originally posted by permanentjaun: If it's not the O/S and market cap that will determine the PPS then what are the factors?
So many! Volume for one. Buys another. Reporting profits. Progress. Getting onto big exchanges, reverse splits, best of all, THE DEMAND for the product or service. Without getting technical, the O/S helps also but 1 factor does not control the PPS. Just Watch.
Great question by the way.
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Wouldn't things like volume and demand be more factors for short term growth in price? I'm more concerned with long term right now. Matt
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PPS has NOTHING to do with anything except, what price the last buy/sell took place.
I think what you are worried about is wheteher or not the company is worth that PPS. My understanding is that the value of the company at this moment or, the value in the future are the determining factors. REalize that someone who was interested in a short term gain would care about today's value vs a long who would care about the future value.
I am simple minded sometimes, so keep the baseball bats in the closet....
quote:Originally posted by permanentjaun: Wouldn't things like volume and demand be more factors for short term growth in price? I'm more concerned with long term right now. Matt
quote:Originally posted by permanentjaun: Wouldn't things like volume and demand be more factors for short term growth in price? I'm more concerned with long term right now. Matt
There are two things that factor into a stocks value - Fear and Greed.
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CouchP, thats right. The orders coming in sets the price. If I kept placing a buy order for 1 tick higher and higher and the MM wanted to take it or had a sale at that price, the PPS will move.
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quote:Originally posted by sunny: Clyde, thanks for the Walmart-bag-turned- diaper. Man, that will save me gobs of money right there. LOL And the duct tape idea is a gem.
Hope you and the kiddos are doing well!
P.S. Something to look forward to...uh, I think Dora Dora is coming out with a Christmas special. I am soooo excited...LOL
Glad QBID held its own today.
We bought our 5 year old a Dora hat, Dora gloves and Dora nightgowns this weekend. She's into it big time. I like Boots the monkey but they don't have undies or anything in adult sizes.
#1. The market cap an not determine how high a stock can go.
#2. The outstanding shares can not determine how high the stock can go.
On 07/24/1996 QBID hit $7.00 per share with 7,800 traded on that day.
I will put up a 1-sided bet which means you dont have to put up any money. You have to prove that QBID can't hit .10 or .50 or 1.00 or 6.00 with the current stock position. I put up $1000 which I will send paypal or money order right to you. In addition, you have to explain how all those internet companies and tech stocks flew off the handle from 1990-2000 and went upwards of $300-$800/Share when the O/S and Market Cap could never justify that.
I see this time and time again, and for you new people, the outstanding shares or market cap which is determined by the share price & number of shares, can not, will not, nor can it ever determine how high a stock can go. It is impossible and 1000% wrong!
The outstanding shares, float and market cap come into play for the following reasons:
#1. A Buy Out.
#2. A upgrade from say pinks to Nasdaq.
#3. A reverse or forward split.
Neither of the two will apply for the most part until say 2-3 years after broadcasting when it becomes a major player. We have the additional guarantee of a No Reverse split by Frank Olsen and the board of directors and the reason for this is because Frank Olsen understands what a R/S really does to a stock.
Most of you long term holders want to exit at $2 or less, None of this really applies & if it does for some reason then you'll have plenty of notice.
A recent example of this crazy share price which blows the whole theory that QBID can't do something is, TASR which was down from $800/Share to $1.60, then back over $100 in April and now settling at around $70. Again, this is one example of many.
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I tried to stay away from this but. O/S plays a major role in stock price. But more important is float. Because float is the amount of shares actually out there being traded. As the float is dried up the upward pressure will kick in and stock price will rise. But when QBID went so high 4 years ago we had under 100 million O/S and trying to compare pps now to then is like comparing apples and oranges. Thats a hugh difference and that why we did not go as high this time. Corporate and funds buying your stock is where the big dollars are and they look closely at O/S, Float, and Market Cap. They don't buy into a company without understanding its finacials. There was a list of pinks listed the other day that were over a dollar. Did you look at those company's. I did. They were hugh companys that preferred being on pinks but they also released information to there stockholders.
Have we got so in love with this stock that we will throw out all common sense to investing. We will go up and a lot. But until O/S is lowered either by buybacks or stock restructuring we will never see a dollar pps and it is because of O/S.
Look at it this way, we could have 700 billion shares like CMKX and I know for a fact we wouldn't be at .0027. We would be at .0002 just like them. And they are dreaming that O/S means nothing either. Also ask WMNI if O/S means nothing. After there dilution that stock dived. Its going up on talks of takeover but still. TFCT on rumors of Dilution of O/S tanked. They haven't even decided to do it yet.
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Sam, you don't have to skip ALL the details. HA! What did you do, speak with a friend in S.F. or Boston or NY? WHAZZZZ UP? Terry
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Clyde- Not sure if you can edit posts on this thread, but can you edit, or contact Bob to edit all the spamming on the under .10 board that this idiot PellyPel is doing. Almost every thread is being spammed by him, and he is starting his own threads. I'm sure he'll post on this one any minute. Thanks in advance.
P.S. You can delete this post too after you read it.
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46% of todays volume was comprised of orders over 1 mil. shares. 61% of these orders were buys and 39% were sells. The largest purchase which was most likely one order was at 10:46:36 this morning for 13 mil. shares or $36,400. All this just does not add up to being down 3.57%????????
quote:Originally posted by krecik: Looking at todays activity:
46% of todays volume was comprised of orders over 1 mil. shares. 61% of these orders were buys and 39% were sells. The largest purchase which was most likely one order was at 10:46:36 this morning for 13 mil. shares or $36,400. All this just does not add up to being down 3.57%????????
Paradise Falls was interesting...and actually pretty good
On Q Live at least tonight was clearly a gay program..don't know if that's it's slant everynight but tonight it was...3 people 2 guys/gay 1 woman/lesbian....Jack E Jette was in the middle with David Taffet on his left and Chrisann Eastwood on his right...they were for a first show pretty cohesive...smooth flowing...they had a few emails up to this point...I think the show will be pretty good....about every 1/2 hour or so they had Qews Break w/Scott Withers...he's good, very good....and did a good job reporting about 3 topics per showing....I saw 3 advertisers Time/Life Video, a snapshot travel of Guadalaja (sp?) and Smart Spin...and a few psa
the quality on all programming was very good...I didn't see any technical difficulties...it all flowed smooth....
dr silk...I didn't have any of that....7:00 the program started promptly..ran through...no commercials....at 7:23 it was over and they put the commercials on until 7:30 which then On Q Live started...there were no technical difficulties here...very smooth
Being their first night with this type of programming I'd say they did pretty good....
oxy...I give a a very good rating....for a first live show I think they did very well...very well coordinated...very cohesive...smooth flow of conversation....each has a different personality so that's also pretty good...they did not run out of any words to say which for a first show is also pretty good and while I watched it (it is still going on)...they had a few emails....
overall I'd rate it pretty good ------------------
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quote:Originally posted by mullocco: [QUOTE]Originally posted by whizknock: [b] Yep! And I'ld love to know if anyone is watching so they can tell us if theres commercials.
Paradise Falls was interesting...and actually pretty good
On Q Live at least tonight was clearly a gay program..don't know if that's it's slant everynight but tonight it was...3 people 2 guys/gay 1 woman/lesbian....Jack E Jette was in the middle with David Taffet on his left and Chrisann Eastwood on his right...they were for a first show pretty cohesive...smooth flowing...they had a few emails up to this point...I think the show will be pretty good....about every 1/2 hour or so they had Qews Break w/Scott Withers...he's good, very good....and did a good job reporting about 3 topics per showing....I saw 3 advertisers Time/Life Video, a snapshot travel of Guadalaja (sp?) and Smart Spin...and a few psa
the quality on all programming was very good...I didn't see any technical difficulties...it all flowed smooth....
Being their first night with this type of programming I'd say they did pretty good....
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Mullocco!
Thank you very much! 3 advertisers! Just the begining...
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Stock price comes down to supply and demand.
Firs tof all you have at least 2 groups of stock holders. Investors and traders. Investors are people who are socking away money into a company because they believe in the long haul and the future of the company. THese people decrease the supply because they are les likely to sell their holdings always expecting tomorrow to be a better day to sell or they are holding the stock for a rainy day.
On the other side of things you have traders. These people are not concerned with longevity of a company only in the volume being traded and the popularity of the company. They get in and out within hours or days and they dont accept much risk of loss. If the stock drops a certain percentage they bail and go play someplace else. These guys create the demand and contribute to the supply because they are quite happy to part with their shares.
Then you have the company itself. It creates a given raw supply of shares (in qbid's case a total of 50 or 51 billion shares of which a percentage is traded in one form or another). It creates a demand for those shares by releasing news, growing its revenue streams, and expansion of the company.
Mix all these things together and you get stock price movement. If no one is selling their holdings, the price does not change. The price as we refer to it is the OFFER or BUY price.
Imagine you wish to sell your car. You may ASK $35,000 but if no one offers you $35,000 it is not worth $35,000. Your highest bid for the car determines its worth at that point in time, in terms of liquidation value. If you choose not to sell thats your choice, but if no one is offering your price, you cannot sell, straddling you with a car instead of cash. Perhaps in the future it will rise in value, and demand will bring the people around to buy your car at your price, but for now, it is a hunkj of metal waiting for a buyer.
Stocks are no different. QBID could be worth $100billion but if people are selling the stock at $.0001 thats the price, no getting around it.
On the buy back they announced they were buying back 2% of the shares which on the con call they said that equated to approximately 1billion shares. This tells me they bought MORE than 2% of the O/S which is a good thing for us. It reduced the supply side by possibly 15% or more.
The only way for the price to rise is for people to not accept the lower price when selling. They must demonstrate faith in the company and hold the stock for a higher price. Nothing else matters.
Right now the stock is being traded out of panic, either panic over the stock or panic from another source. Perhaps people needed the money to pay bills and cashed out their holdings. Whatever the reason, they needed the cash now and took whatever people offered. So the price is holding at a low point.
The price will rise when the company releases a good financial report, I figure the second or third. The first one will be ugly due to the long red period. But it will likelyt have a hint of good. The second will have to be very good, showing a significant number of subscribers (which I feel they should ditch and not encrypt the signal) and more importantly, a fair number of sponsors and advertisers.
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quote:Originally posted by Scoundrel: Stock price comes down to supply and demand.
Mix all these things together and you get stock price movement. If no one is selling their holdings, the price does not change. The price as we refer to it is the OFFER or BUY price.
Wouldn't this be kind of false. In my opinion there is always going to be someone buying or selling and the price adjusts correct? If someone is looking to buy, if no one is selling then it means the price is too low. If someone is looking to sell but they're not able to then the price is too high. If all it takes is more investors to pledge they won't sell then count me in. I'm not letting go of my shares.
Now that we're live what is our next step? Receiving revenue from subscriptions or broadcasting on a more national level? Matt
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