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"I still dont know what to take of cmkx pps and why they stand still without any gains, maybe they are just way over diluted."

Why don't we look at it this way. The NYSE on a good day trades, 2B shares, the NAS maybe 1.5B, AMEX ?, say .5B. So, the major exchanges trade, on a good day, 3B shares. Ok, there are 780B O/S of CMKX. Say 49% of that is float, or 382.2B. Now lets say CMKX does 3, 4 times the volume of the major exchanges on a good day, 3.5 X 3B = 10.5B volume. Divide that by 382.2B, that means 2.74% of the float was traded. Do you believe that is enough to move the PPS of CMKX?
There have been days when it has traded more then 10B and I think the PPS closed even or down on those days. So, your statement, "maybe they are just way over diluted", might be accurate.

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the divies we are recieving from cmkx are doing great so far I think the money that we will make is going to come from the dividend companies. I dont know if it is very common for a pink sheet stock company to give so many different divies. lets just wait and see. I dont think cmkx will be at .10 at the end of october. I do think at the end of this the divies should end up making most a nice little profit. I still dont know what to take of cmkx pps and why they stand still without any gains, maybe they are just way over diluted. I hope that roger glenn knows what hes doing. I have a feeling something big is happening behind the scenes that is causing all the other jvs to run. I think cmkx might just be a distraction.


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Where's the ignore button when you need it? ugggh!
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Hi Will, sorry, you are mistaken. As I said earlier, one sentence, does not make for the end of a thought. Your entire paragraph was trying to enforce the opinion of yours that the stock is worthless. I am sorry if you cannot see that.

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Now pay attention, the period ended the first sentence. When began a new sentence, thought. When, refered to if/when as in a future time. It was not intended to say or mean that it is presently worthless like you made it look.
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I pressed the ignore button already.
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Where's the ignore button when you need it? ugggh!


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quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
PENCIL OCT 21ST ON YOUR CALANDER. THAT IS WHEN CMKX WILL BE FULLY REPORTING FROM MY SOURCES.

THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT'S MOVE.



For some reason I believe in you my padawan.... Use the force. You will be a Jedi soon.


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and actually ucad made a run and still running

when everybody was holding on strong to cmkx for their ucad dividends.

so people didn`t transfer their money to ucad


it could have not been the reason for UCAD `s run and JIUNA mining anD ST.GEORGE

SORRY IT WAS AN ANSWER TO BILL EARLIER
there is no link for the OTCBB
or PINKS that states the o/s


THERE IS NO PROOF OF 779 billion O/S

even on the pinks they need to
AUTHORIZE the SHARES they can ISSUE!

CORRECT ?

SO AGAIN IS THERE A LINK THAT STATES THEY
AUTHORIZED THAT CMKX CAN
ISSUE 800 BILLION SHARES????


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XchangeMODE,
If you're looking for the current a/s, call this number: 775-684-5708. That is to the Nevada Secretary of States office. Whoever answers the phone will tell you their authorized, last I called about a month ago it was 800 billion. The outstanding is a product of the known amount of shares being distributed and the known distribution rate. It's that simple. It has to be the 779 billion, there's no two ways around it. The only reason it's being called into question is because the CIM distribution percentage now reflects an outstanding of 1.6 trillion. If that's the case, they will have to raise their authorized to at least that amount and the Secretary of State will give you that information when they receive it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by netsec:
Have you insulted me? Most definitely! Just reading your mindless drivel is insulting enough but then to watch you plead for help from Allstocks and accuse them of being unfair moderators is more than insulting, it's outrageous. They ARE allowing the banter to be fair by ignoring these foolish exchanges such as the one we're engaged in now. Someone ruffles your feathers a little, respond to them or ignore them, it's your choice but to go running to the mod's every time you feel insulted is ridiculous and yes, childish.


I am sorry Upside but banter does not include insulting other posters.

Foolish has nothing to do with asking Allstocks to better police their boards for posters who continually insult or degrade other posters.

I wonder if there are actually any adults that post on this site.


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upside...sorry to disagree but i dont think they will raise the a/s, i think they have cut the dividend amount to 20 billion. 2 ways to go issue it at 40 billion & do a 2 for 1 r/s or just cut it. since CIM's a/s is 25 million (again from call to state of nevada) it will have to be raised. i'm hoping i guess but maybe UC has learned a think or 2 about the stock market, you can't keep issuing shares and expect the pps to go up (unless your part of paltalk) thus by raising the a/s to 40, pass out 20 he keeps control. i'm saying this because gemm is back down to 779 billion. but then who knows, them there naked short shares are a tricky lot
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Aw, come on guys, can we knock off the insults and stick to the subject? This thread is getting filled up with garbage that has nothing to do with CMKX or any other stock. Please, all of you grow up and post something useful.
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Good point Bill, that could be the case. If they elect to just cut it in half, I'd assume they'll issue a p/r stating that rather than just let it happen. Can't wait to see the reaction to that move.
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ed19363,
You're 100% right and I apologize for wasting space here today. Wish I could promise it won't happen again in the future but I'll give it a shot!

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Okay, you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am, so I am asking for your honest opinion. Not to bash or anything, just a simple question. Knowing what you do about CMKX, what do you think is the possibility that they may do a reverse split? I ask because I am 27M strong and a R/S would about kill me, as it has on two other stocks I have owned.
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ed19363,
You're 100% right and I apologize for wasting space here today. Wish I could promise it won't happen again in the future but I'll give it a shot!


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quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Okay, you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am, so I am asking for your honest opinion. Not to bash or anything, just a simple question. Knowing what you do about CMKX, what do you think is the possibility that they may do a reverse split? I ask because I am 27M strong and a R/S would about kill me, as it has on two other stocks I have owned.
Ed


Hi Ed,

If youve noticed over the last little while they, as in CMKX, have been going through what i guess you could call a fire sale. I dont think they will do a reverse split. I believe they are going to transfer all their claims, assets to other companies. IMO


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X...i was not there and i deleted the link in my home computer but i see your one that thinks the ucad split has nothing to do with the o/s so it doesn't matter. i hope your right.
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why is gemm's pps going up? can't be that they are mining gold as we speak or that they have increased not only output but the amount they are retrieving from that output nor could it be that everything is in place to mine diamonds in south america from land that diamonds have been rudely mined for years. it can't be that their o/s in in the millions not billions, nope has to be something to do with naked shorted cmkx shares and the fact that cmkx is honoring it by giving it as a dividend.
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why's ucad increasing? couldn't be that they own most of gemm or a few other working mining interests or the fact that they bought property that is in the works to refine not only their ore but other mining companies ore or that they own about 30% of the claims in canada or that their o/s is under 290 millions. nope has to be naked shorted stuff with cmkx.
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sggm,....god only knows. the only info on them looks like cmkx's little brother without a funny car or 2
==========================================why is cmkx heading down? well we know its not that they have sold off 20% of the 25% of claims in canada. can't be that in 2 yrs they have drilled 6 2 1/2 inch holes. it can't be that if nothing else on paper they have a 779 billion o/s. nor can it be that they have more money in race cars then drilling rigs. they have 20% of 1.9 million acres of diamond claims with 100 anamolies, 50% of some new uranium claims, just because nothing is close to mining it shouldn't hurt the pps. it has to be naked shorting and those evil mm's

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Ed,
Any stock floating at these levels and with a huge o/s is likely to have a reverse. I've posted on this subject before but if they do it, they might be the 1 out of 100 companies where it's not viewed negatively. Let's face it, if the float is anywhere near the outstanding, something has to be done to get it under control. In CMKX's case it just might legitimize them in the eyes of many. They need to do it right though, if they do a reverse, they HAVE to reverse the authorized also, perhaps at a lesser level in order to allow for some new shares to be issued as the company deems necessary. Couple some well timed good news along with a large reverse and they just might pull it off. The key is the authorized though, if they elect to leave it at 800 billion, watch out. That means nothing but rapid fire dilution is ahead and more lining of Urbans pocket.

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1 more idea, this is for those that believe the o/s is not 779 billion....lets say UC increased the a/s and issued those plus had more in the company treasury and then gave the dividend to all issued shares. honoring the 21 billion he said was retired. lets say 4 million ucad shares are now in the company treasury. this gives real value not estimated value of some claims to cmkx which might be needed to become reporting. since they are at least 1 yr from being able to estimate any claim value as they will need to bulk sample for this it does give cmkx part control of ucad. giving ucad shares to naked shorted shares would be criminal as it would legalize them in a way and also ok mm's activity.
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THANKS
UP AND BILL
to keep me up to date
good work
i should keep some links handy
but i switched from aol to bellsouth(so i lost my links)
i called the number it was 800 b. authorized
so we have to keep on guessing the issued
i read on a messageboard that the amount of the ucad shares could still change until the restriction is lifted
not shure if that`s possible.
i don`t know if everybody got their dividend?

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oh I have etrade got my dividend they made a mistake and rounded it down to 9 for each million but are going to correct the mistake within two days so they say I think it is going to be changed to 9.62 per million. they were very appoligetic.
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Thank you for the nice replies, gentlemen. Wish us all luck.
Ed

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must be something going on this thread is quiet as can be whats going on. maybe the pumpers and bashers that keep us so intrigued are done their work and now something huge realy is about to happen.
interesting theory

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this is a question. Ok I know that if you call the state of nevada they can tell you how many shares have been AUTHORIZED. Question is do they say when shares are retired? or how many are outstanding. I can understand that they can tell you how many our authorized since they are the ones that authorized. but do they have any say as to when shares are retired. or how many shares are on the float. now for a crazy statement just to simplify it for my head I know this did not happen its just a question. If Urban retired 800 billion shares today and did not put out a pr how would anyone be able to know. is it possible they are trying to get mms to believe that the o/s is a certain amount by issuing a ratio the way they did so that they can spring a trap. what if urban says make the mms believe their is an o/s of 1.6 trillion, when they short it like never before thinking that the o/s is that high. boink the trap clamps. lol we only got 20 billion outstanding thanks for taking the bait.
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To answer the first part of your question, the State only knows the authorized. All other parts of the share structure, issued, retired, etc. are internal to the company.
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if this was the truth then they just riped the shareholders off of their dividend shares. this would create a whole different set of problems for them.

stop dreaming and hoping!!!! this thing is super saturated with dilution. you might as well get used to seeing .0001 because this thing is not going anywhere without one mother of a large reverse split.


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this is a question. Ok I know that if you call the state of nevada they can tell you how many shares have been AUTHORIZED. Question is do they say when shares are retired? or how many are outstanding. I can understand that they can tell you how many our authorized since they are the ones that authorized. but do they have any say as to when shares are retired. or how many shares are on the float. now for a crazy statement just to simplify it for my head I know this did not happen its just a question. If Urban retired 800 billion shares today and did not put out a pr how would anyone be able to know. is it possible they are trying to get mms to believe that the o/s is a certain amount by issuing a ratio the way they did so that they can spring a trap. what if urban says make the mms believe their is an o/s of 1.6 trillion, when they short it like never before thinking that the o/s is that high. boink the trap clamps. lol we only got 20 billion outstanding thanks for taking the bait.

[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 11, 2004).]


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quote:
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if this was the truth then they just riped the shareholders off of their dividend shares. this would create a whole different set of problems for them.

stop dreaming and hoping!!!! this thing is super saturated with dilution. you might as well get used to seeing .0001 because this thing is not going anywhere without one mother of a large reverse split.


Whewww!
Did you see what UCAD and GEMM did,AGAIN, today?
I think if this woulda,coulda,shoulda been played right it might already HAD been a play of a lifetime.I mean hindsight is 20/20.
But I'll be looking forward to my GEMM.

[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 11, 2004).]


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we only know the authorised shares

issued and value of the company is still unknown
in the meantime the price is still beeing manipulated by the marketmakers

why would you increase the authorised shares
before you pay a dividend?
if they issued more shares they would have to pay more dividends

right?

forgot to ask about the date they authorised more shares
well tomorrow is another day.


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"if they issued more shares they would have to pay more dividends"

No, I don't think that is accurate. The result would be a smaller portion of the dividend per parent stock O/S. The amount of the dividend would not change, the number of shares it is divided amoung would. So your dividend would be diluted.
In the case of UCAD that was 279B shares of dillution, divide by 500B the old A/S, gives dillution of 55.8%.


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Can someone please tell me why then is there going to be this Vegas party when there is nothing good about what is going on so far? I mean why would these guys even show up knowing that people are pissed with what's going on, this I do not understand. I would think that someone would want to kick my a??, and I wouldn't want to show my face.
If someone can come up wih something that sounds logical, please do.
Thanks, Dave

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Dave,
My hunch is they're going to focus on how well UCAD and GEMM are doing and downplay CMKX. There is a chance that there might be some "major" announcment there also. Take it for what it's worth but at the Chicago races I had numerous representatives of the Company tell me that Roger Glenn was preparing a speech.

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Thanks Upside. I am long on this even with people bashing it all the time, also waiting to see what comes out of this party before I do anything. I still think there will be some positive things, time will tell.
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One theory posted is the divvys are given out partially. 20 billion on one day and 20 billion a few weeks later.

There was someone also saying this about the UCAD, the divvy ratio was based upon half of it being issued at this time.


In such a case it would mean os is half what people think.


I can't verify this theory.


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Just off hand, sounds like another "theory" without basis. Probably cooked up by one of the master minds. I doubt it very much, but can't disprove it, but it would be highly unusual, and not customary. It's amazing the fantasy they come up with to try and explain reality away.
Do you subscribe to this theory, or do you find it unlikely too?

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One theory posted is the divvys are given out partially. 20 billion on one day and 20 billion a few weeks later.

There was someone also saying this about the UCAD, the divvy ratio was based upon half of it being issued at this time.


In such a case it would mean os is half what people think.


I can't verify this theory.



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They're all true Will! The Perfect Storm, The Master Plan, The Springing Trap, The Racing For Diamonds, The Double Naked Shorts, and on and on and on.
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So then i should by 10,000 worth.Thanks upside i will place my order.LOL
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They're all true Will! The Perfect Storm, The Master Plan, The Springing Trap, The Racing For Diamonds, The Double Naked Shorts, and on and on and on.


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Well, I'm personally very disappointed that the squeeze of the century didn't ocurr, or if it did I missed it. However isn't the evidence of a squeeze a rise in the PPS? Seems we went down after the accounting of the O/S logically demanded by the UCAD dividend. Now I know CMKX is different, but can it, does it, will it, defy customary logic and rules of stock trading forever? Isn't there a point in this story where truth through emperical evidence debunks all the theories? There has to be some point that happens, I'll be darned if I know where that is. No, excuse me, I do know, it will only end at BK, or all us skeptics will be wrong and have to apologize as we we cash in.

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They're all true Will! The Perfect Storm, The Master Plan, The Springing Trap, The Racing For Diamonds, The Double Naked Shorts, and on and on and on.


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Seriously, what bothers me about all these theories and all these spinmasters is that they ignore the basic truth about this company. This company took the liberal laws of Nevada and abused those laws like no one has ever seen before, all at shareholders expense. They raked in untold millions of our dollars over the last two years and yet they do not have one single thing to show for it. Some will yell "look at their claims"! The sad fact is that no claims are registered to them on the Saskatchewan Mineral Disposition website. The only place you see any claims labled CMKX or Casavant is on CMKX promotional brochures. They might not even exist for all we know. Meanwhile, people are excusing every twisted and deceitful action this company has heaped on us in the last few years by coming up with wild, impossible theories to explain it all away. And now, in my opinion, Roger Glen is acting counsel to them to insure that Urban walks away from this sorid mess untouched. Guilty as hell, free as a bird. Isn't America great?
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