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Maybe you all know this; after checking corporations with the Casavant name, I checked resident agent "Business Works, Inc." Check these corporations out:
Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: CANADIAN DIAMOND FIELDS INTERNATIONAL, INC.
Type: Corporation File Number: C11974-2003 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: May 19, 2003
Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: JAMES KINNEY
Address: HCR 33 BOX 2594
LAS VEGAS NV 89124-
Treasurer: JAMES KINNEY
Address: HCR 33 BOX 2594
LAS VEGAS NV 89124-
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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: AMDI PETROLEUM INC.
Type: Corporation File Number: C23178-2004 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: August 27, 2004
Status: Initial list of officers filed Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: STEVE RADFORD
Address: 120 BEACHWOOD TRIAL
MICHIGAN CITY IN 46360-
Secretary: JOHN CRANDELL
Address: 1452 BRAMFIELD CT
LAS VEGAS NV 89102-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: DESERT STOCK TRANSFER COMPANY
Type: Corporation File Number: C17484-2004 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: July 01, 2004
Status: Initial list of officers filed Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: URBAN CASAVANT
Address: 4955 S DURANGO #214
LAS VEGAS NV 89113-
Secretary: URBAN CASAVANT
Address: 4955 S DURANGO #214
LAS VEGAS NV 89113-
Treasurer: URBAN CASAVANT
Address: 4955 S DURANGO #214
LAS VEGAS NV 89113-
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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: VI-COM HOLDING INC.
Type: Corporation File Number: C4470-2004 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: February 24, 2004
Status: Initial list of officers filed Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: VICTOR CASAVANT
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: VICTOR CASAVANT
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: BEVERLY CASAVANT
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: STONEHENGE INC
Type: Corporation File Number: C14427-2001 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: June 01, 2001
Status: Default Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: JON THIRIOT
Address: PO BOX 30234
LAS VEGAS NV 89173-
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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: SL INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENTS INC.
Type: Corporation File Number: C16464-2003 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: July 10, 2003
Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: STEVE RADFORD
Address: 120 BEACHWOOD TRAIL
MICHIBAN CITY ID 46360-
Secretary: JOHN CRANDELL
Address: 1452 BRAMFIELD CT
LAS VEGAS NV 89102-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: SILVER FOX CAPITAL INC.
Type: Corporation File Number: C3830-2004 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: February 17, 2004
Status: Initial list of officers filed Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
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It would appear that these are very BUSY people.
Copied from http://sos.state.nv.us/begin.asp
Man! That closed fast! Is 53 the magic number of pages or did I say something wrong?
Hope not!
I can understand why you might be hurt. Just the other day I noted that Upside referred to you as his friend. LOL
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will,Man! That closed fast! Is 53 the magic number of pages or did I say something wrong?
Hope not!I can understand why you might be hurt. Just the other day I noted that Upside referred to you as his friend. LOL
Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: EYECANDY ENTERTAINMENT INC.
Type: Corporation File Number: C19808-1999 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: August 11, 1999
Status: Revoked Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: DAVID DESORMEAU (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89014-
President: JOHN D. GUZMAN
Address: 2519 PUTING GREEN DRIVE
HENDERSON NV 89014-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 3340 S TOPAZ #100
LAS VEGAS NV 89121-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 3340 S TOPAZ #100
LAS VEGAS NV 89121-
I wish I had more brains for this right now. Holey moley, the names in my searches keep repeating themselves. BUSY, BUSY folks.
Don't think that would be a good idea. How about asking Allstocks to correct the spelling. No offense.
PS: Besides, maybe it's not so bad. Makes you look less intelligent. LMAO
Also, maybe you could rename it "CMKX - A Chip Shot!
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quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will,Don't think that would be a good idea. How about asking Allstocks to correct the spelling. No offense.
Uuh, uuh! You reopen it. I like "CMKX-A Chip Shot"!
Also thinking of benefits to Allstocks.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will,Uuh, uuh! You reopen it. I like "CMKX-A Chip Shot"!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
chip shot huh? As in poker chip? Will have something to do with your shirt and chip?
Will, who's Joey? Is that the guy in Stalag 17 who kept in the top bunk and played some tune. Cannot remember what that thing is called.
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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
chip shot huh? As in poker chip? Will have something to do with your shirt and chip?
Hey Wallace,
Just so you know, I misplaced my chip from the Spring Nationals in Chicago, so I got another one from this recent Chicago race so I could post a pic for you, as requested, but quite frankly, our car has been performing so badly lately, I disposed of that stupid thing. I started getting supersticious. Winged it a half mile. LOL Hope I can find the other one! Dangit.
Glad you finally have your own. But, if bad things start happening to you...
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Wait a minute Will. 3? I seem to remember you taking 4. By the way, the one I took has already been relegated to my wifes closet of rags. Never even got the chance to wear it. I really wanted to walk around the neighborhood with a "Got CMKX?" shirt on and see if anyone knew what it meant.
Sorry for the bad luck! Maybe I should chuck my cheap chip too?
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Upside, you wrote:
"I really wanted to walk around the neighborhood with a "Got CMKX?" shirt on"
Are you crazy? My scarecrow is nothing but sticks and straw now. The neighbors tore the poor guy apart!! Better think twice. LOL
Oh, yes, now I remember that you previously had mentioned Joey in a post.
Guess I better get off and get some sleep.
Good night.
Call your thread;
CMKX VII - Two Chips Short of a Poker Game
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quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Wallace#1
Member posted October 09, 2004 23:06
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tradingpennys,
Well, the end of that CMKX T-Shirt story is that I took it up to the farm and tried to get the bull to wear it. No dice, so I threw it on a pile of BS. And, would you believe it, a bear came out of the woods and grabbed it. It's now called the CMKX bear and hides out under an old, broken down oil
drilling rig out in the boonies.
noah.....if i thought UC was going to increase the a/s to 1.6 trillion for the CIM dividend then i'd have to have a way to explain it going back to 779 billion for the gemm dividend as i quit taking drugs 14 yrs ago i'd have trouble doing that. what i said was the CIM dividend looks as if it was cut in half to 20 billion. we know the a/s of CIM is 25 million as of sept 21st so UC has to raise the a/s a bit before the pay date. since he already has 1 company with a stupid o/s ya think maybe he might learn something and issue 40 billion & keep 20 for the company.it would leave a good shell in his control to swing cmkx into at some time in the future with a bit better o/s of 20 billion not 779 billion. and if he really was intesrested in increasing shareholder value he would transfer the uranium claims he just bought to CIM and take it public since the new claims won't do much for any company with a 779 billion o/s
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will,How about asking Allstocks to correct the spelling.
I tried on the thread I started two threads ago to have allstocks correct the heading but they said they are unable to do that.
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~,-,-< GatorMan
quote:
Originally posted by GatorMan:
I tried on the thread I started two threads ago to have allstocks correct the heading but they said they are unable to do that.
quote:
Originally posted by lanebro:
I know it's not proper to post rumors, but you guys have to hear this.
A couple of months ago there was banter at the track that there might be an oil mining company sponsoring a drag car, much along same lines as CMK. Interesting to see the AMDI Petroleum incorporation just this past August. And UC incorporates a stock transfer company?
Wonder if there's a connection. August is about the time teams get their next year's sponsors together. And the past few days brings banter to our racing message boards about a new sponsor coming on next year.
Actually, there is a story at dragracecentral.com about a 2005 sponsorship announcement coming soon, plus a 2005 new team announcement! Casavant Racing Corporation incorporates this past March? Hmmmmm
I'll keep you informed.
If you check it out a lot of companies registered in Nevada, Desormeau is Resident Agent for quite a few that are entirely unconnected to CMKX.
http://sos.state.nv.us/rasrh3.asp
Type in his name.
quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
The only connection that AMDI Petroleum has to CMKX that I can see is thru DESORMEAU.If you check it out a lot of companies registered in Nevada, Desormeau is Resident Agent for quite a few that are entirely unconnected to CMKX.
http://sos.state.nv.us/rasrh3.aspType in his name.
I absolutely agree with you that Desormeau has many unrelated things going on, but he is connected at the hip to Urban. I would imagine they are involved in a lot of things we cannot see on any website. They are brilliant, remember?
Did you see this?
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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information
Name: CASAVANT RACING CORPORATION <<<<<<<<<
Type: Corporation File Number: C6068-2004 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: March 10, 2004
Status: Initial list of officers filed Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU <<<<<<<<
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU <<<<<<<<<<
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU <<<<<<<<<<
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
This website offers Nevada Registered Agent services.
Search on the Nevade SOS site for JOHN VANHARA who operates as a Resident Agent and you get 26 pages of companies with his name associated.
You also get 10 pages of companies with him listed as president, secretary and treasurer including his own outfit EASTBIZ.COM, INC. which has Jan Vanhara listed as resident agent.
I guess that Desormeau is no more entagled in Casavants opertations than Vanhara is for the 260 something companies the come up under his name.
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I guess I'm pretty suspicious because of the petro company sponsorship rumors and a new racing team announcement. It'll all come out in a few weeks. Hope I'm wrong for all you long and strongs' sakes.
Good luck. I gotta get back to the hospital now. My sister's having a baby! She's long and strong in labor! LOL
quote:
Originally posted by lanebro:
I know it's not proper to post rumors, but you guys have to hear this.
A couple of months ago there was banter at the track that there might be an oil mining company sponsoring a drag car, much along same lines as CMK. Interesting to see the AMDI Petroleum incorporation just this past August. And UC incorporates a stock transfer company?
Wonder if there's a connection. August is about the time teams get their next year's sponsors together. And the past few days brings banter to our racing message boards about a new sponsor coming on next year.
I think there is a connection. I saw something to that effect.. I think yesterday. I would have to retrace my steps...
If I recall the info I am talking about is Casavant was into oil around 1996 or 95.
I had been also thinking about that court info I found accusing
Urban of stock manipulation...
and noah saying there wasn't any more court filings to find out if it were true... well yanno what? That's a bunch of hog wash, Urban could have easily avoided court records of that nature by settling OUT OF COURT! That way it would NOT be recorded that HE WAS! LOL
LOL what is a Kentucky Colonel?
It seems to be some esteemed staus not associated with fried chicken!?!
Dhonau came up on a list Kentucky Colonels.
I guess this isnt a bad thing to be on.
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:xZ6CWPqLvt8J:www.kycolonels.org/report_04.pdf+J.E.+DHONAU+nevada&hl=en
quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
I was trying to find some dirt on John Dhonau as he seems to be a key figure behind a lot of the goings on.LOL what is a Kentucky Colonel?
It seems to be some esteemed staus not associated with fried chicken!?!
Dhonau came up on a list Kentucky Colonels.
I guess this isnt a bad thing to be on.
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:xZ6CWPqLvt8J:www.kycolonels.or g/report_04.pdf+J.E.+DHONAU+nevada&hl=en
I saw that "colonel" thing too. Dismissed it as meaningless for our purposes. I saw another, where I think Dhonau was referred to as a Pfc.
No one wants to own up to sending me that CMKX T-Shirt and Chip? You folks going to make me check out all the profiles of posters on this thread so maybe I can check it against the post office stamp?
Took my chip to a casino and was told I could not gamble with it, but that they would give me 50,000 shs of CIM for it. LOL
Declined their offer and told them the chip is worth more than that number of CIM shs.
They raised it to 100K shs, so I DUMPED my CMKX chip!!
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I found the following regarding mining operations by CMKI and UCAD, as well as some others I looked for. There are no current operational mines in Canada, nor anywhere else in the world, under either of these company names, or their alleged affiliates:
http://www.mininglife.com/countries/countryprofile.asp?Country=Canada
http://www.mininglife.com/operations/index.asp
This seems like a pretty significant issue.
Pretty hard to find anything of value with NO MINES.
Tell me you all knew this, and this is old news. Am I missing something here?
quote:
Originally posted by lanebro:
It appears that this thread is dying. Perhaps for a reason.I found the following regarding mining operations by CMKI and UCAD, as well as some others I looked for. There are no current operational mines in Canada, nor anywhere else in the world, under either of these company names, or their alleged affiliates:
http://www.mininglife.com/countries/countryprofile.asp?Country=Canada
http://www.mininglife.com/operations/index.aspThis seems like a pretty significant issue.
Pretty hard to find anything of value with NO MINES.
Tell me you all knew this, and this is old news. Am I missing something here?
BULLSEYE !
No Offense Intended, to Anyone.
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quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lanebro:
[b]It appears that this thread is dying. Perhaps for a reason.I found the following regarding mining operations by CMKI and UCAD, as well as some others I looked for. There are no current operational mines in Canada, nor anywhere else in the world, under either of these company names, or their alleged affiliates:
http://www.mininglife.com/countries/countryprofile.asp?Country=Canada
http://www.mininglife.com/operations/index.aspThis seems like a pretty significant issue.
Pretty hard to find anything of value with NO MINES.
Tell me you all knew this, and this is old news. Am I missing something here?
BULLSEYE !
[/B][/QUOTE]
The only thing on this board that has to do with Bull is Bulls#!t.
This mining site hasn't been updated since the reconstruction. Great find, guys. Typical of all of your trash discoveries.
I think this is 2004. That's a fact!
This board is really dead. But don't let me spoil it for you. I'll leave you all alone to have your fun.
Jeezzzz...........
I doubt that the thread is dying. Probably people away for the holiday.
tradingpennys,
Read your profile. I use to collect old pendulum clocks and fix them. Once had about 250...down to about 30 now. Sounds like we have a few similar interests, including collectibles.
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We all certainly know one thing for certain.
CMKX is no "bull"...IT'S ALL "BEAR". LOL
Think it will close at .0001 next week?
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It can only go down one tick from .0002.
Any real good news it goes up ten clicks.
Also, some new info coming out shows a correction in the OS figures. Stay tuned. Don't count your basher chickens just yet.
I sell all my USCI and buy millions more of CMKX just in time for the big run.
Would give me close to 100 million shares. Just a little 3 bagger would make me a happy camper.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
lanebro,I doubt that the thread is dying. Probably people away for the holiday.
tradingpennys,
Read your profile. I use to collect old pendulum clocks and fix them. Once had about 250...down to about 30 now. Sounds like we have a few similar interests, including collectibles.
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I had intended to ask you what you collected since I had read on here that you were into trains. I have so much stuff I have aquired, I am sure we have alot in common.
You wrote:
It can only go down one tick from .0002.
Any real good news it goes up ten clicks.
Also, some new info coming out shows a correction in the OS figures. Stay tuned. Don't count your basher chickens just yet.
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Some time back I told you pumpers there is another step beyond .0001......BK.
Any real good news would be quite welcome. What happened to all the "past" good news put out by CMKX? Not so good, was it?
As to info on the OS, I will believe it when I see it and, then, only when it can be confirmed by a disinterested third party...not anyone with a vested interest in CMKX and grossly biased.
I mean the PPS.
uranium and the price goes down ,instead of going up
i guess the problem is called NAKED SHORTING
OR would there be any other explanation?
there was this wild theory a couple of months ago to buy the cmkx related stocks (like ucad),because the MARKET MAKERS
WILL HAVE TO BUY THOSE TO COVER
NOW SINCE THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER
HERE ARE THE RESULTS(LAST WEEK)
GEMM = UP 400%
UCAD = UP 120%
SGGM = UP 90%
CMKX = ???????????
what is going on ?
CMKX should have went up more tan the related companies
who`s shareholders are getting a dividend ucad`s?
no cmkx!
have there been any news on jiuna mining (up 400 %)itself besides the relationship to cmkx.
no!
there only have been positive developments at cmkx
i guess they have to cover at .0002
i`m shure they increased there short position on the day before the dividend ,
WHO POSSIBLY WOULD HAVE SOLD THAT DAY
they must have pulled the shares out of cylinder hat.
no!
actually i haven`t read anything interesting here lately
a couple of people attacking each other
irrelevant stuff
quote:
Originally posted by XchangeMODE:
BY now everybody should know there is something wrong with this picture hereI mean the PPS.
uranium and the price goes down ,instead of going up
i guess the problem is called NAKED SHORTING
OR would there be any other explanation?
there was this wild theory a couple of months ago to buy the cmkx related stocks (like ucad),because the MARKET MAKERS
WILL HAVE TO BUY THOSE TO COVERNOW SINCE THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER
HERE ARE THE RESULTS(LAST WEEK)GEMM = UP 400%
UCAD = UP 120%
SGGM = UP 90%CMKX = ???????????
what is going on ?
CMKX should have went up more tan the related companies
who`s shareholders are getting a dividend ucad`s?
no cmkx!have there been any news on jiuna mining (up 400 %)itself besides the relationship to cmkx.
no!
there only have been positive developments at cmkx
i guess they have to cover at .0002
i`m shure they increased there short position on the day before the dividend ,
WHO POSSIBLY WOULD HAVE SOLD THAT DAY
they must have pulled the shares out of cylinder hat.
no!
1. CMKX is diluting. Urban Casavant is a "creature of habit".
quote:
Originally posted by XchangeMODE:
I Think this thread is dying where is everybody .
maybe people are tired of nobody pulling up any interesting information on cmkx
uranium claims? anybody?actually i haven`t read anything interesting here lately
a couple of people attacking each other
irrelevant stuff
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
The people attacking each other is an out right lie. Since the "other's" left it has been REALLY nice in here
Very sad...the "other's" you mention were here first and posted without fighting with each other. They just got tired of being continually bashed by "saviors", "newbie protectors", and "people with nothing better to do that pick fights with them".
Sad.
quote:
Very sad...the "other's" you mention were here first and posted without fighting with each other. They just got tired of being continually bashed by "saviors", "newbie protectors", and "people with nothing better to do that pick fights with them".Sad.
I don't think it matters "who was here first", that makes it sound like little kids in a sandbox, but, if that's the criteria were using, I can say that myself, Will, WWJD, Glassman, and many others I'm forgetting have been here from the very beginning on thread # 1, started by everyones favorite heifer, CashCowMoo.
and the increase in price sggm,ucad,GEMM
Going up as we speak???????????????
that 779.b. o/s talk did start a while ago not last week !!!!!!!!
those were my questions!!!!!
DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by netsec:
I don't think it matters "who was here first", that makes it sound like little kids in a sandbox, but, if that's the criteria were using, I can say that myself, Will, WWJD, Glassman, and many others I'm forgetting have been here from the very beginning on thread # 1, started by everyones favorite heifer, CashCowMoo.
Actually Upside your little connation of little kinds in a sandbox is a little naive. If you have 4 little kids arrive at a sandbox first and they all play nice together, they are willing to share the sandbox with anyone that comes along...you have a pretty nice sandbox. Lets just say then that those first few kids have to deal with a couple of new kids that bring baseball bats to the sandbox to beat up all the regular kids just so that they can have the sandbox to themselves. Sort of like kings of the sandbox. If you were one of the regular kids you would probably ask a parent to help control the problem of kids with baseball bats. And I do believe they tried, but the parent (Allstocks) in charge of the sandbox told the regular kids that the bullys were allowed to beat anyone up they wanted with their baseball bats. So the regular kids looked around at what they had and decided that their probably was a better sandbox around that allowed the kids to play together without fear of getting beaten with baseball bats by bullys looking to control the sandbox.
Like I said, sad.
GEMM is up 500% since last week!!!!
and who owns gemm?
UCAD and CMKX!!!!
and by the way you are getting a dividend of GEMM
as a shareholder of CMKX ,so don`t cry!!
Second we do not tell folks what they can and can't say with a couple of exceptions. No fowl language... No promoting other websites.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
The "others" that left were mostly the "faithful". I might add the diehard faithful, who without a dubt are still painting a gingho rosey picture of CMKX elsewhere. They left because they didn't want to hear dissenting points of view. They are so insecure about the future of their investments they cannot stand one iota of reality. Hey, if I was in over my head with $15,000 to $25,000 + wrapped up in this ambiguous company I wouldn't want to hear anything negative, whether it was true or not, fact or fiction. They went with like minded people who want to continue fooling themselves. When their invest is worthless, they still won't give up, they will try to convince themselves that they made a good decision.
If/when this thing ever see .0006 -.0009 they would be foolish to continue thinking it has a future beyond that.
This is what I mean ....
They went with like minded people who want to continue fooling themselves. When their invest is worthless....
Where is your proof, the hard cold facts, that say this stock is worthless. You dont even back that statment up with an IMO. Ive watch USCI go from .0001 to .0003 by just launching a website. Worth is all relative. Please dont issue your own opinions like theyve come from some sort of proven fact.
Like Ive said twice now, sad.
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
This is what I mean ....
They went with like minded people who want to continue fooling themselves. When their invest is worthless....Where is your proof, the hard cold facts, that say this stock is worthless. You dont even back that statment up with an IMO. Ive watch USCI go from .0001 to .0003 by just launching a website. Worth is all relative. Please dont issue your own opinions like theyve come from some sort of proven fact.
Like Ive said twice now, sad.
that 779.b. o/s talk did start a while ago not last week !!!!!!!!
those were my questions!!!!!
DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN.
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the only part of gemm cmkx owns is the shares 25% worth as they did not excercise the option in the 2 month period that we know of. the 779 billion started when the otcbb report on the split came out. many thought it was false even to the point of trying to prove it was a hacker that posted it. as time went on it became more & more clear that this o/s was true. since cmkx would not confirm or deny this i'm guessing many ppl took the ucad & ran or bought gemm with the cmkx money they had left. they will use ucad to recover some losses when it becomes unrestricted. this is guess work but no matter how many times the zen's & dr. d's of cmkx say its ok or that figure is wrong and it will be proven so realistic ppl know better. 779 billion o/s kills the pps. ucad & gemm are companies with a good share structure and are honest & open with shareholders and in ucad's shares you get the biggest part of the cmkx diamond claims even more then cmkx. cmkx isn't a scam, its just grossly mismanaged.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
The "others" that left were mostly the "faithful". I might add the diehard faithful, who without a dubt are still painting a gingho rosey picture of CMKX elsewhere. They left because they didn't want to hear dissenting points of view. They are so insecure about the future of their investments they cannot stand one iota of reality. Hey, if I was in over my head with $15,000 to $25,000 + wrapped up in this ambiguous company I wouldn't want to hear anything negative, whether it was true or not, fact or fiction. They went with like minded people who want to continue fooling themselves. When their invest is worthless, they still won't give up, they will try to convince themselves that they made a good decision.
If/when this thing ever see .0006 -.0009 they would be foolish to continue thinking it has a future beyond that.
YOU COULD PUT YOUR POCKET CHANGE ON THIS ONE
and if they come up with a VALUATION of this company which most likely will be higher than the claim of DeBeers
it`s just a fat chance if you do your DD
AND if they come out with their o/s count
which up to now is pure speculation
AGAIN
That little DeBeers Mine next door
VALUE 80 BILLION
and at worst chances cmkx only finds only as much as DeBeers.
do your DD on that.
CMKX
SO let`s take 800 billion O/S
divided by value / 80 billion
________________
WOW !!!! 0.10 $$$$
CASHINK!!
I WOULD NEED SOME BIG POCKETS THEN
p.s. the o/s count will be most likely lower
and the value most likely higher
in the meantime let`s wait and see
but i have that feeling the day is near
the ucad ,gemm ,sggm increase
seems to be the first signal
so don`t be sad if you missed
the bottom of lightly traded gemm
but i guess that one will still go higher
since we haven`t gotten the dividend yet(look at ucad)
look at ucad intrinsic value i believe is 1$
in the meantime while posting on this relatively irrelevant thread
i missed usxp
gave me nice more than 100% daily profit last year but i guess it`s still one to watch
BUT I RATHER WOULD LIKE WATCHING THIS ONE TAKE OFF !!
i didn`t pay much attention in the summer when the talk about the 800billion authorised shares came ,that resulted in a calculation of 779b. according to the dividend.
supposely all this is temporary.
i looked on the otccb and pinks
could find a link about the 779b.
do you have a link
i would appreciate it
thanks
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Originally posted by will:
Is what you quoted really what I said. No, you ignored the punctuation and made it sound like one thought. It said:
"When their invest is worthless, they still won't give up, they will try to convince themselves that they made a good decision.", not, "They went with like minded people who want to continue fooling themselves. When their invest is worthless...."
You twisted my post to make it conveient for you feeble arguement. I suggest you read it again paying close attention to the puncuation. Jesus! you can even distort black and white text. Read it again, pal.
Actually Will, go read the definition of a quote. What I copied from you was a quote. I did not include the rest of your sentence as the entire sentence followed a single path. To include the entire sentence would of been meaningless. You were trying to get across the point that you feel their investment is worthless. The rest of the sentence just tried to back up that point.
Thank you for trying to educate me on punctuation. Will, next time, please do not refer to me as pal. Thank you again.
I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. JUST GET READY TO CASH IN GUYS!!!!!!
quote:
and if they come up with a VALUATION of this company which most likely will be higher than the claim of DeBeers
and:
quote:
and at worst chances cmkx only finds only as much as DeBeers.
do your DD on that.
and:
quote:
p.s. the o/s count will be most likely lower
and the value most likely higher
I'd be interested to know where I can find this information?
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
Actually Will, go read the definition of a quote. What I copied from you was a quote. I did not include the rest of your sentence as the entire sentence followed a single path. To include the entire sentence would of been meaningless. You were trying to get across the point that you feel their investment is worthless. The rest of the sentence just tried to back up that point.Thank you for trying to educate me on punctuation. Will, next time, please do not refer to me as pal. Thank you again.
Ha Ha Ha, LMAO! How many times have you predicted this price with a deadline or some other higher price with a deadline. It might be fun to go look up all your posts just to find out! It would be better if you would not make such statements since you have not been right one time yet! BS last time and BS this time!
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
CMKX WILL BE AT .10 A SHARE BY THE END IF OCTOBER!!!!!!!I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. JUST GET READY TO CASH IN GUYS!!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
CMKX WILL BE AT .10 A SHARE BY THE END IF OCTOBER!!!!!!!I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. JUST GET READY TO CASH IN GUYS!!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Look, pal, I would try to explain it further to you, but if you didn't pay attention in the thirdgrade, you probably won't now. Any fair right minded person read my post correctly, I'm sure. I am also sure they saw you distortion, and quoting out of context.
It is funny the type of people you get on sites when they are free. Will, I have never insulted you, but you feel it is necessary to insult me to try and get your point across. Will I asked you very nicely not to call me pal, but you did anyway. Insulting my intelligence does not make you smarter by any stretch of the imagination. Will I consider myself a fair minder person. Please go back and read your own post before you try to lay blame somewhere else. Thank you.
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
It is funny the type of people you get on sites when they are free. Will, I have never insulted you, but you feel it is necessary to insult me to try and get your point across. Will I asked you very nicely not to call me pal, but you did anyway. Insulting my intelligence does not make you smarter by any stretch of the imagination. Will I consider myself a fair minder person. Please go back and read your own post before you try to lay blame somewhere else. Thank you.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
XchangeMODE,
I see so many people here griping that anyone with a negative opinion bases nothing on facts. That being the case, please lay out the facts that support these statements of yours:I'd be interested to know where I can find this information?
TRY to find the map with the claims of sask.
look at it.
it`s easy to find.
cmkx has one on their site
that is
cmkm diamond
just in case you don`t
know
you can check
DeBeers canada..
AND for statistics on fort de la corne
check any mining website
northern miner ...
and so on
it`s pretty easy!
Will, I did read it properly. You implied that their investment, as it stands right now, is worthless. I am sorry if you cannot see this.
I dont know if you are just an angry person by nature Will and I am sorry if that is the case. The whole skeptic, foolish parargraph you put together isnt worth commenting on.
However, the last bit in your reply does merit a comment or two.
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Now get your mouth shut, quiet yourself, and move on, pal. You insult yourself.
I am finished with you, reply if you like.
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Allstocks, this goes out to you. Please go back and read the chain of replies in this thread. In this entire thread I have not once insulted Will. I am asking you to look at this as you are supposed to be the moderator(s) of this site. Freedom of speech allows me to disagree with someone, it does not however allow me to insult and be little someone. I read the post Bob added a few posts back. While it is nice to say you dont tell people what and what they cannot say, as moderators of this site you must step in when people cross the line. Unwarranted attacks by posters could lead to problems if, as a company, you do not step in and enforce some form of code of conduct. Will has provided us with a small example of the problem.
Thank you Will, even though you were unaware of helping me highlight a problem within Allstocks.
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TRY to find the map with the claims of sask.
look at it.
it`s easy to find.
cmkx has one on their site
that is
cmkm diamond
just in case you don`t
know
you can check
DeBeers canada..
AND for statistics on fort de la corne
check any mining website
northern miner ...and so on
it`s pretty easy!
That's your answer? I asked you to please lay out the facts to 3 statements you made:
#1, CMKX will have a higher valuation than DeBeers
#2, At worst, CMKX will only find the same amount as DeBeers (I'm assuming you mean diamonds)
#3, CMKX's o/s will most likley be lower than thought and their value will be higher.
I don't see your supporting facts in your response. Please help me out here.
Allstocks doesn't care. Read their prior response about people attacking each other.
Wrong. The period ended the the thought of the first sentence. You won't admit to quoting me out of context, sobeit, let others make up their minds.
You're dismissed. I won't waste another word on a bating whiner.
quote:
Originally posted by skippy:
Netsec,Allstocks doesn't care. Read their prior response about people attacking each other.
Hello Skippy,
I get the feeling they do not care either. I am telling them they must care, they provide a public forum for comments. They to must follow rules governing what freedom of speech does and does not allow. Newspapers do not publish everything written to them by readers. Why dont they do this...because they could be held liable if the comments written crossed the freedom of speech line. I am just asking Allstocks to keep this in mind when they allow people to pretty much post anything they want...well besides foul language and other websites.
quote:
Originally posted by skippy:
Netsec,Allstocks doesn't care. Read their prior response about people attacking each other.
[This message has been edited by will (edited October 11, 2004).]
You have been here long enough as I have to know my post about Allstocks prior post was in reference to the attacking that went back and forth between several posters and got pretty petty and nasty. I was not talking to you or about you when I submitted my post. Neither do I appreciate you trying to link me to anyone that participated in all that BS. I don't like to see it from either direction and don't claim to have a dog in that fight.
quote:
Originally posted by skippy:
Will,You have been here long enough as I have to know my post about Allstocks prior post was in reference to the attacking that went back and forth between several posters and got pretty petty and nasty. I was not talking to you or about you when I submitted my post. Neither do I appreciate you trying to link me to anyone that participated in all that BS. I don't like to see it from either direction and don't claim to have a dog in that fight.
Thank you.
Hello again Will, I am so glad you arent done with me yet. Will an attack can be verbal it does not have to involve a physical action. I can get a restraining order based on a verbal attack if the attack met the criteria necessary to get the order.
Will have I insulted your username sometime in the past that I am not aware of doing. If not please stop insulting mine. I am not comfortable with any attack made here on Allstocks.
I am just trying to clarify something now Will so help me out. When you say ilk, and you said it twice, what exactly are you implying. From the tone of your replies you seem to think I am some sort of pumper or something. If that is not the case I truly apologize. I am just trying make sure when people decide to post something like, worthless, they add an IMO or something to their post so that other readers will not assume the poster new something they didnt. Thats all.
I find it sad that youve had to insult me to try and get your point across. I am assuming we are both adults, it would be nice if you could treat me in the manner I am treating you at the moment. With respect and courtesy.
Thank you.
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
It is funny the type of people you get on sites when they are free. Will, I have never insulted you, but you feel it is necessary to insult me to try and get your point across. Will I asked you very nicely not to call me pal, but you did anyway. Insulting my intelligence does not make you smarter by any stretch of the imagination. Will I consider myself a fair minder person. Please go back and read your own post before you try to lay blame somewhere else. Thank you.
THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT'S MOVE.
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
PENCIL OCT 21ST ON YOUR CALANDER. THAT IS WHEN CMKX WILL BE FULLY REPORTING FROM MY SOURCES.THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT'S MOVE.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by XchangeMODE:
That's your answer? I asked you to please lay out the facts to 3 statements you made:#1, CMKX will have a higher valuation than DeBeers
#2, At worst, CMKX will only find the same amount as DeBeers (I'm assuming you mean diamonds)
#3, CMKX's o/s will most likley be lower than thought and their value will be higher.
I don't see your supporting facts in your response. Please help me out here.
I DON`T GET PAID TO DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I`m pisssed i looked at USXP last night for no apparent reason .
i made money on it a year ago 100 or 200 %
in a day or two missed the p.r. today
200% on heavy volume.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......
so don`t ask me any more questions
#1 i did not say cmkx will have a higher valuation than DEbeers.
DEBEERS DOESN`T TRADE ON ANY EXCHANGE
it was specific to the Fort de la Corne area
everybody here knows that cmkx has a multiple of the claims THAN DEBEERS in that area supposdly according to the areal survey
with lots of kimberlites
and according to canadian mining sites
80% contain diamonds
do i have to repeat what everybody here allready knows?
#2 these facts above would make it more likely
that cmkx finds more diamonds in sask.
than debeers
sask. is the biggest diamondfind in recent history in the world!
i said go to cmkm diamonds
www.casavantmining.com
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click on properties.
how hard could that be
look at the map!
go to debeers canada website you can google
it
great site
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i did my DD A LONG TIME AGO
I CAN`T REMEMBER ALL THE WeBSITES
BUT IT IS REALLY EASY
TO USE GOOGLE
TRY
FORT DE LA CORNE
DIAMOND MINING CANADA
AND SO ON ...
northern miner
you might come across a lot of information
but anybody with information about the drillsite
of debeers kimberlite body adjacent to cmkx
valued at 80 BILLION $
that information is easy to find too!
p.s.
I saw a MAP recently ,i don`t know where
that had a cmkx drilling next to DEBEERS
IT LOOKED LIKE THE SAME KIMBERLITE BODY
any clues anybody
sarki316
Member posted August 17, 2004 15:26
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Just when I posted yesterday CDVJ comes out with a PR.
.25 BY THE END OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!
since it seems to be everybodys main concern.
Read the two sentences separately, like this:
"They went with like minded people who want to continue fooling themselves."
"When their invest is worthless, they still won't give up, they will try to convince themselves that they made a good decision."
Note: "fooling themselves" ends the first sentence.
Note: "When their invest is worthless" begins the next.
Now pay attention, the period ended the first sentence. When began a new sentence, thought. When, refered to if/when as in a future time. It was not intended to say or mean that it is presently worthless like you made it look.
Anyone reading the sentences properly can and will see the real intent.
If you cannot, or do not see the difference now I don't know whatelse to tell you.
You took me out of context, plain and simple.
Now if you're compelled, go get a restraining order.
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by will:
[B]That wasn't an attack, skippy. An attack is urinating on people, like one of your ilk did here.
I just defined foolish.
Oh yea! Wishing death on people is another tactic your ilk have used in the past.
Surely nutsac, netsec, whichever his name is can get comfortable with foolish after those attacks.Hello again Will, I am so glad you arent done with me yet. Will an attack can be verbal it does not have to involve a physical action. I can get a restraining order based on a verbal attack if the attack met the criteria necessary to get the order.
Will have I insulted your username sometime in the past that I am not aware of doing. If not please stop insulting mine. I am not comfortable with any attack made here on Allstocks.
I am just trying to clarify something now Will so help me out. When you say ilk, and you said it twice, what exactly are you implying. From the tone of your replies you seem to think I am some sort of pumper or something. If that is not the case I truly apologize. I am just trying make sure when people decide to post something like, worthless, they add an IMO or something to their post so that other readers will not assume the poster new something they didnt. Thats all.
I find it sad that youve had to insult me to try and get your point across. I am assuming we are both adults, it would be nice if you could treat me in the manner I am treating you at the moment. With respect and courtesy.
Thank you.
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Now pay attention, the period ended the first sentence. When began a new sentence, thought. When, refered to if/when as in a future time. It was not intended to say or mean that it is presently worthless like you made it look.
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I am glad you joined a conversation that you were not part of but felt you needed to add your own comments. I found it interesting that not only did you have to post but you had to post with an insult. Have I insulted you.
Running to mommy as you put it has somewhat of a negative conatation associated to it. I must again stress that Allstocks is providing a service. As a service provider they must police this service. If making sure they do police this service fairly to the benefit of all is considered running to mommy then Ill happily run to mommy.
Thank you Upside for again highlighting the issues with Allstocks.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Better to just leave it alone Will. The guy's an obvious pansy looking to impress people. Like running to his mommy because someone insulted him. "Allstocks, Will insulted me! Make him stop!" Your time is better spent on things other than the likes of him.
oops.
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Hello Upside,
I am glad you joined a conversation that you were not part of but felt you needed to add your own comments. I found it interesting that not only did you have to post but you had to post with an insult. Have I insulted you.Running to mommy as you put it has somewhat of a negative conatation associated to it. I must again stress that Allstocks is providing a service. As a service provider they must police this service. If making sure they do police this service fairly to the benefit of all is considered running to mommy then Ill happily run to mommy.
Thank you Upside for again highlighting the issues with Allstocks.
Have you insulted me? Most definitely! Just reading your mindless drivel is insulting enough but then to watch you plead for help from Allstocks and accuse them of being unfair moderators is more than insulting, it's outrageous. They ARE allowing the banter to be fair by ignoring these foolish exchanges such as the one we're engaged in now. Someone ruffles your feathers a little, respond to them or ignore them, it's your choice but to go running to the mod's every time you feel insulted is ridiculous and yes, childish.
Why don't we look at it this way. The NYSE on a good day trades, 2B shares, the NAS maybe 1.5B, AMEX ?, say .5B. So, the major exchanges trade, on a good day, 3B shares. Ok, there are 780B O/S of CMKX. Say 49% of that is float, or 382.2B. Now lets say CMKX does 3, 4 times the volume of the major exchanges on a good day, 3.5 X 3B = 10.5B volume. Divide that by 382.2B, that means 2.74% of the float was traded. Do you believe that is enough to move the PPS of CMKX?
There have been days when it has traded more then 10B and I think the PPS closed even or down on those days. So, your statement, "maybe they are just way over diluted", might be accurate.
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
the divies we are recieving from cmkx are doing great so far I think the money that we will make is going to come from the dividend companies. I dont know if it is very common for a pink sheet stock company to give so many different divies. lets just wait and see. I dont think cmkx will be at .10 at the end of october. I do think at the end of this the divies should end up making most a nice little profit. I still dont know what to take of cmkx pps and why they stand still without any gains, maybe they are just way over diluted. I hope that roger glenn knows what hes doing. I have a feeling something big is happening behind the scenes that is causing all the other jvs to run. I think cmkx might just be a distraction.
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
Hi Will, sorry, you are mistaken. As I said earlier, one sentence, does not make for the end of a thought. Your entire paragraph was trying to enforce the opinion of yours that the stock is worthless. I am sorry if you cannot see that.*********************
Now pay attention, the period ended the first sentence. When began a new sentence, thought. When, refered to if/when as in a future time. It was not intended to say or mean that it is presently worthless like you made it look.
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quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
Where's the ignore button when you need it? ugggh!
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
PENCIL OCT 21ST ON YOUR CALANDER. THAT IS WHEN CMKX WILL BE FULLY REPORTING FROM MY SOURCES.THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT'S MOVE.
For some reason I believe in you my padawan.... Use the force. You will be a Jedi soon.
when everybody was holding on strong to cmkx for their ucad dividends.
so people didn`t transfer their money to ucad
it could have not been the reason for UCAD `s run and JIUNA mining anD ST.GEORGE
SORRY IT WAS AN ANSWER TO BILL EARLIER
there is no link for the OTCBB
or PINKS that states the o/s
THERE IS NO PROOF OF 779 billion O/S
even on the pinks they need to
AUTHORIZE the SHARES they can ISSUE!
CORRECT ?
SO AGAIN IS THERE A LINK THAT STATES THEY
AUTHORIZED THAT CMKX CAN
ISSUE 800 BILLION SHARES????
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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by netsec:
Have you insulted me? Most definitely! Just reading your mindless drivel is insulting enough but then to watch you plead for help from Allstocks and accuse them of being unfair moderators is more than insulting, it's outrageous. They ARE allowing the banter to be fair by ignoring these foolish exchanges such as the one we're engaged in now. Someone ruffles your feathers a little, respond to them or ignore them, it's your choice but to go running to the mod's every time you feel insulted is ridiculous and yes, childish.
I am sorry Upside but banter does not include insulting other posters.
Foolish has nothing to do with asking Allstocks to better police their boards for posters who continually insult or degrade other posters.
I wonder if there are actually any adults that post on this site.
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Originally posted by Upside:
ed19363,
You're 100% right and I apologize for wasting space here today. Wish I could promise it won't happen again in the future but I'll give it a shot!
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Originally posted by ed19363:
Okay, you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am, so I am asking for your honest opinion. Not to bash or anything, just a simple question. Knowing what you do about CMKX, what do you think is the possibility that they may do a reverse split? I ask because I am 27M strong and a R/S would about kill me, as it has on two other stocks I have owned.
Ed
Hi Ed,
If youve noticed over the last little while they, as in CMKX, have been going through what i guess you could call a fire sale. I dont think they will do a reverse split. I believe they are going to transfer all their claims, assets to other companies. IMO
stop dreaming and hoping!!!! this thing is super saturated with dilution. you might as well get used to seeing .0001 because this thing is not going anywhere without one mother of a large reverse split.
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Originally posted by sdrobert:
this is a question. Ok I know that if you call the state of nevada they can tell you how many shares have been AUTHORIZED. Question is do they say when shares are retired? or how many are outstanding. I can understand that they can tell you how many our authorized since they are the ones that authorized. but do they have any say as to when shares are retired. or how many shares are on the float. now for a crazy statement just to simplify it for my head I know this did not happen its just a question. If Urban retired 800 billion shares today and did not put out a pr how would anyone be able to know. is it possible they are trying to get mms to believe that the o/s is a certain amount by issuing a ratio the way they did so that they can spring a trap. what if urban says make the mms believe their is an o/s of 1.6 trillion, when they short it like never before thinking that the o/s is that high. boink the trap clamps. lol we only got 20 billion outstanding thanks for taking the bait.
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 11, 2004).]
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Originally posted by penny-trader:
if this was the truth then they just riped the shareholders off of their dividend shares. this would create a whole different set of problems for them.stop dreaming and hoping!!!! this thing is super saturated with dilution. you might as well get used to seeing .0001 because this thing is not going anywhere without one mother of a large reverse split.
Whewww!
Did you see what UCAD and GEMM did,AGAIN, today?
I think if this woulda,coulda,shoulda been played right it might already HAD been a play of a lifetime.I mean hindsight is 20/20.
But I'll be looking forward to my GEMM.
[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 11, 2004).]
issued and value of the company is still unknown
in the meantime the price is still beeing manipulated by the marketmakers
why would you increase the authorised shares
before you pay a dividend?
if they issued more shares they would have to pay more dividends
right?
forgot to ask about the date they authorised more shares
well tomorrow is another day.
No, I don't think that is accurate. The result would be a smaller portion of the dividend per parent stock O/S. The amount of the dividend would not change, the number of shares it is divided amoung would. So your dividend would be diluted.
In the case of UCAD that was 279B shares of dillution, divide by 500B the old A/S, gives dillution of 55.8%.
There was someone also saying this about the UCAD, the divvy ratio was based upon half of it being issued at this time.
In such a case it would mean os is half what people think.
I can't verify this theory.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
One theory posted is the divvys are given out partially. 20 billion on one day and 20 billion a few weeks later.There was someone also saying this about the UCAD, the divvy ratio was based upon half of it being issued at this time.
In such a case it would mean os is half what people think.
I can't verify this theory.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
They're all true Will! The Perfect Storm, The Master Plan, The Springing Trap, The Racing For Diamonds, The Double Naked Shorts, and on and on and on.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
They're all true Will! The Perfect Storm, The Master Plan, The Springing Trap, The Racing For Diamonds, The Double Naked Shorts, and on and on and on.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Seriously, what bothers me about all these theories and all these spinmasters is that they ignore the basic truth about this company. This company took the liberal laws of Nevada and abused those laws like no one has ever seen before, all at shareholders expense. They raked in untold millions of our dollars over the last two years and yet they do not have one single thing to show for it. Some will yell "look at their claims"! The sad fact is that no claims are registered to them on the Saskatchewan Mineral Disposition website. The only place you see any claims labled CMKX or Casavant is on CMKX promotional brochures. They might not even exist for all we know. Meanwhile, people are excusing every twisted and deceitful action this company has heaped on us in the last few years by coming up with wild, impossible theories to explain it all away. And now, in my opinion, Roger Glen is acting counsel to them to insure that Urban walks away from this sorid mess untouched. Guilty as hell, free as a bird. Isn't America great?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Seriously, what bothers me about all these theories and all these spinmasters is that they ignore the basic truth about this company. This company took the liberal laws of Nevada and abused those laws like no one has ever seen before, all at shareholders expense. They raked in untold millions of our dollars over the last two years and yet they do not have one single thing to show for it. Some will yell "look at their claims"! The sad fact is that no claims are registered to them on the Saskatchewan Mineral Disposition website. The only place you see any claims labled CMKX or Casavant is on CMKX promotional brochures. They might not even exist for all we know. Meanwhile, people are excusing every twisted and deceitful action this company has heaped on us in the last few years by coming up with wild, impossible theories to explain it all away. And now, in my opinion, Roger Glen is acting counsel to them to insure that Urban walks away from this sorid mess untouched. Guilty as hell, free as a bird. Isn't America great?
That is EXACTLY how I have felt & thought for the past few months! I could not have said it better.
Originally posted by Upside:
Seriously, what bothers me about all these theories and all these spinmasters is that they ignore the basic truth about this company. This company took the liberal laws of Nevada and abused those laws like no one has ever seen before, all at shareholders expense. They raked in untold millions of our dollars over the last two years and yet they do not have one single thing to show for it. Some will yell "look at their claims"! The sad fact is that no claims are registered to them on the Saskatchewan Mineral Disposition website. The only place you see any claims labled CMKX or Casavant is on CMKX promotional brochures. They might not even exist for all we know. Meanwhile, people are excusing every twisted and deceitful action this company has heaped on us in the last few years by coming up with wild, impossible theories to explain it all away. And now, in my opinion, Roger Glen is acting counsel to them to insure that Urban walks away from this sorid mess untouched. Guilty as hell, free as a bird. Isn't America great?
we only know the authorised shares
issued and value of the company is still unknown
in the meantime the price is still beeing manipulated by the marketmakers
why would you increase the authorised shares
before you pay a dividend?
if they issued more shares they would have to pay more dividends
right?
forgot to ask about the date they authorised more shares
well tomorrow is another day.
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the a/s was increased Aug 18th 2 days before the own by date for the ucad dividend thus 279 billion more shares got the dividend. as for the vegas party, that was announced by ucad not cmkx and if i'm a long time ucad shareholder i'm partying right now.
U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. Announces Initiation of COD Operations
Tuesday October 12, 5:30 am ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 12, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB:UCAD - News) announced today that it initiated the commencement of operations at the COD mine in Arizona. The company has contracted for the first stage of bulk sampling on the property and the improvements of the access and facilities at the site.
Rendal Williams, CEO of U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. stated, "We are pleased to have commenced operations which will lead to full scale production from this property in the near future and are excited by the future returns we believe this property will generate."
Further details relative to this transaction can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
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Contact:
U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc.
Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476
Everything that I invest in I make money. I had alot of money on Sirius stock got in at .60 a share for 100,000 shares. CMKX will make money WILL!!!!!!!! And tiger tony CDVJ will make it's move. Like I told everybody in the CDVJ board people are waiting for the Airport hub to go and this stock will start to move. I don't do DD to people in message boards. The DD too you guys are the PR. read them and do your reasearch.
CMKX WILL NOT GO UNDER!!!! AND IS NOT A SCAM WILL ALL THOSE PR COMMING OUT. @0.0002 HOW THE HECK CAN YOU LOSE WE GOT FREE SHARES AND MORE TOO COME. WILL YOUR FULL OF CRAP BRO.
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Originally posted by tigertony:
sarki,if you keep throwing things against the wall eventually one might stick.Get your crystal ball checked it might have a crack.It's one thing to be positive but throwing out huge numbers with no facts.Sorry you brought it on yourself.Good Lucksarki316
Member posted August 17, 2004 15:26
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Originally posted by JEAL:
0.0001 - ouch
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GLTA
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Originally posted by JEAL:
Really kicking myself in the butt - Holding 5 mil and didnt sell any at the run in June. As a newbie, i have just learned a valuable lesson.
We can all wish for the big one, but lets be realistic, even a run back up to 0.0008 to 0.001 would be welcomed.GLTA
October lets hope its full of treats not tricks. Worst part is I found UCAD when it was around $2-3. Now that would have been a worth while investment -
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CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) is pleased to have reached a purchase agreement with U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTC BB:UCAD) to which U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. will be purchasing 5% of all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. in exchange for 7.5 million shares of UCAD. CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will later issue these shares to all shareholders of record on August 20, 2004.
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unless UC increased the a/s and issued the shares into the company treasury as restricted then nothing ucad or gemm does helps cmkx's bottom line
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GL to you JEAL
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Originally posted by JEAL:
Will -October lets hope its full of treats not tricks. Worst part is I found UCAD when it was around $2-3. Now that would have been a worth while investment -
Pumping is ok, bashing is ok - in moderation.
I have no issue in either as long as theories can be supported with some kind of documentation. Even if the source is vague - this is ok, this is what makes the world go 'round even if it does involve identifed bashers and pumpers. I am here just the same as everyone else. TO make a little money. Not here for personal attacks or to make people happy. Just hoping to find that bit of info that keeps the light at the end of the tunnel burining bright.
Have fun and GLTA
so naked shorts is a true story?
i allways assumed cmkx has been cellar boxed
strange trading patterns and so on...
the idea behind this is for the market-makers to make money!!!
at the cost of companies and investors!
so what`s going on at the moment?
so they are buying us dividends and are trying to keep the price of cmkx down,
so they can cover their positions
o.k.they are buying the dividend at a higher price so they drop the price of cmkx
if you look at your accounts you would have the same value in your accounts than a month ago
lower price for cmkx plus ucad divi.= approx. the same value
naked shorts are getting dressed ?
If you had to pick one of the other stocks to invest in to make a quick turn around and on the other hand long term, which one would it be and why?
GEMM
SGGM
UCAD
UCA
KPG
SGF
ECPN
Just for fun
JEAL
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Originally posted by bill1352:
x...the problem with that idea is that the shares are in our accounts. do you really think that all the brokers just put the numbers there and told the mm's to fill as you can? ucad is over and done with as far as cmkx is concerned other then releasing the restriction 1 yr from now. no cover, no squeeze. its this kind of theories that helps drive the pps down. ppl running their mouths saying "squeeze of all time" "shorted billions of shares" and then when nothing happens ppl get out. UCAD"S pps is going up because of UCAD not cmkx. i had a typo yesterday meant to say ucad's o/s is less then 29 million not 290 million. less then 29 million shares has gold coming in from at least 2 mines and 1 more about to get up & running, has diamonds close to coming in from south america, things getting set to do their own final refining of ore. yet ppl want to say its going up because of cmkx??? please
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the L2 for CMKX = DEAD
I would love to be a fly on the wall - however, due to the fact the our PPS is still - well - it isnt anything and I have lost on TSBI and NT, I will be grounded, but would love to hear from a respeceted "Allstocks reporter".
Anyone got a tip where I could make 1-2 K in the next three weeks with a 500.00 investment, then maybe I can go.....
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Originally posted by Upside:
Is anyone here seriously planning on going to the Vegas party? Just wondering if we'll have an "Allstocks reporter" there. If not I'll have to talk Will into flying out there with me. What you think Will?
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Soory, buddy, I have to pass on going with you. I saw plenty enough of that carnival sideshow at the races a week or so ago. Could you imagine that times 500? Gungho, freaked out, three card monty playing, shell game playing, rabid CMKX'ers, no thanks. They'll be foaming at the mouth waititng for the holy and respected Mr. Glenn to speak. They will go into trances dancing with snakes and shaking themselves into shock. They will make a Shaker's prayer meeting look like they're sitting still.
LOL!!!!! Come on though! We'll catch a red eye out, spend at most one night there and be back before the weekends out!
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Originally posted by will:
Soory, buddy, I have to pass on going with you. I saw plenty enough of that carnival sideshow at the races a week or so ago. Could you imagine that times 500? Gungho, freaked out, three card monty playing, shell game playing, rabid CMKX'ers, no thanks. They'll be foaming at the mouth waititng for the holy and respected Mr. Glenn to speak. They will go into trances dancing with snakes and shaking themselves into shock. They will make a Shaker's prayer meeting look like they're sitting still.
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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Will:
LOL!!!!! Come on though! We'll catch a red eye out, spend at most one night there and be back before the weekends out!
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U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Shareholder Appreciation Party
September 21, 2004 4:26:00 PM ET
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. UCAD announced today that it has arranged for a shareholder appreciation party to be held in Las Vegas from Oct. 29-31, 2004. The events for the weekend are centered around the Texas Station Hotel and Casino.
This event promises to be very exciting and one to remember for a long time. Bring your family and friends for a weekend with the management, staff and fellow shareholders of the company.
Don't forget to bring your barfbag from the airplane too!
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Originally posted by noahltl:
Sorry you are all missing the fun on the real boards.Will, thuoght you just came here to ask some questions. Seems you have all the answers now.
Sorry, can't stay there's real people with real DD elsewhere.
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Hi all just a short word
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Hi all just a short word.The pressure is on the MM's and CMKX's manipulators and they are responding accordingly. These levels are to be expected for the time being. Roger is in control and CMKX is in no danger whatsoever in my opinion. All indicators point to the fact that the SEC is informed, the NSS is exposed, the NASD, NSCC, and the DTCC are responding internally with very possible political pressure being applied as well.
We have finally got the exposure we needed to our situation and the evidence is in hand with action being taken. I believe that CMKX’s manipulators are beginning to cover as the NSS are being funneled through at .0001-.0002. Some of us are still able to buy as these are moving from one MM account to another so if you so desire you may be able to take advantage of these lower numbers. This will not hold out very long in my opinion. The MM’s are still shorting into the movement from any buying pressure so the PPS is staying down. The clearing volume far exceeds the buying pressure at .0001 and .0002 right now so the PPS will stay down temporarily.
EFGI and CRWN are on the cliff on the ask and are doing the shorting into the movement and buying pressure in my opinion and other MM’s are buying in and shuffling.
UCAD will probably continue to rise throughout the week into a possible position for a 3 to 1 forward split if they can lock in above $20 by weeks end. GEMM is continuing to rise and SGGM is strong as ever showing that CMKX affiliates are a truer indicator of what CMKX is about to do than the manipulation we are seeing right now in our market.
We are all UCAD shareholders now and soon to be CIM and GEMM as well showing us that the plan of Urban is real and we are included in it. $100 investment in CMKX at .0001 gave you 1000000 shares. Now with the UCAD dividend and it’s increase in the PPS we currently would have received 9.62 shares per million or $158.73 at 16.50 showing that if you bought in at .0001 you are 58% profit in current value in your investment over your initial investment meaning your CMKX would be more than free or you have been paid to take them. Add into that the current value of your CMKX shares and you probably are way ahead of the game. Most of my shares were bought at .0001, .0002 and some up towards .0004 as probably the same with many of you. You can do the calculations from there to show your position if your medium is at .0002, .0003, or so on.
CIM is projected to come within a week and GEMM one month later. I agree some of these are restricted, but the value is there now and the restrictions can be removed.
We are staring at being fully reporting, having significant valuation, financial disclosure, etc… and some of us have a free ride plus already. Our related companies are smoking and we will too very soon in my opinion. PR’s should be in the frame work and we should move to .0003 and over very soon as well.
CMKX’s day is coming and it will make the movements by UCAD, GEMM, SGGM, etc… look like nothing in my opinion. Good things are coming and change is in the air.
We are in a great position. Keep in touch with things pretty closely over the next week to 10 trading days. These will be very significant in myopinion to determining the direction that the NSS position is going to take, how it will go, and when.
Just my opinion’s and I ask that you treat them as such.
Success is at hand!
Dr.D
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Keep the faith. If you don't have it, get it, if you lost it, find it, If you don't know what it is, ask someone, but whatever you do keep the faith.
CMKX is the means!
I especially like the end tag line. "CMKX is the means!"
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Originally posted by JEAL:
POLL -If you had to pick one of the other stocks to invest in to make a quick turn around and on the other hand long term, which one would it be and why?
GEMM
SGGM
UCAD
UCA
KPG
SGF
ECPNJust for fun
JEAL
Well?
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Originally posted by Upside:
Here's one example of the "real dd" being done on Noah's other board from Dr. D.:
_______________________________________CMKX’s day is coming and it will make the movements by UCAD, GEMM, SGGM, etc… look like nothing in my opinion
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ok dr. d went from .50 a week ago to .0003???? great dd took a lot of looking around to come up with that theory. seriously, way too much prozac being passed out these days
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Originally posted by JEAL:
POLL -
If you had to pick one of the other stocks to invest in to make a quick turn around and on the other hand long term, which one would it be and why?
GEMM
SGGM
UCAD
UCA
KPG
SGF
ECPN
Just for fun
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UCA....they bought they uranium claims before selling 50% to cmkx and they have 25% of the diamond claims plus other claims in canada and a low a/s & o/s. thats why i askerd about buying canadian stocks in the US
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Originally posted by noahltl:
Sorry you are all missing the fun on the real boards.Will, thuoght you just came here to ask some questions. Seems you have all the answers now.
Sorry, can't stay there's real people with real DD elsewhere.
Noad, Is there another board for CMKX that others can attend?
Apologies Noah not Noad....
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Originally posted by will:
Soory, buddy, I have to pass on going with you. I saw plenty enough of that carnival sideshow at the races a week or so ago. Could you imagine that times 500? Gungho, freaked out, three card monty playing, shell game playing, rabid CMKX'ers, no thanks. They'll be foaming at the mouth waititng for the holy and respected Mr. Glenn to speak. They will go into trances dancing with snakes and shaking themselves into shock. They will make a Shaker's prayer meeting look like they're sitting still.
Wow, I'll bet you are a lot of fun. Let's see, you don't like fat people, ugly people, dumb people, rabid foaming at the mouth gungho carnival people, I'm sure I've forgotten some. Your problem, Will, is that you don't like people at all. You hide yourself behind the screen, criticze others, and judge. I'll bet you're just a blast to party with. Hey Upside, I'd be careful going to Las Vegas with this guy, he could get you killed. I think a hooker would castrate him when he tried to short her/him.
lmao...
By the way, how about that GEMM? The smart money bought and sold. I guess you guys got into that one, right? I did't think so.
Vegas just might be fun. Sorry you can't be there.
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By the way, how about that GEMM? The smart money bought and sold. I guess you guys got into that one, right? I did't think so.
Nope, I didn't. The only one I know of who actually did was Van. He talked about them a month or so ago and I didn't agree with him. He was right, I was wrong. I'm sure now that it's had a meteoric rise many here will claim to have bought in but I for one didn't.
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LOL Will... This has to be the post of the day.
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Originally posted by sarki316:
Tiger tony and will I never meet people like you guys that i know for a fact that invested in CMKX and talk so bad about it. People like you guys should not be in this business. And will I have no clue why people listen to you. you know nothing about stocks.
U tell them sarki for some ^$##@#'UP Reason I believe your right....
Everything that I invest in I make money. I had alot of money on Sirius stock got in at .60 a share for 100,000 shares. CMKX will make money WILL!!!!!!!! And tiger tony CDVJ will make it's move. Like I told everybody in the CDVJ board people are waiting for the Airport hub to go and this stock will start to move. I don't do DD to people in message boards. The DD too you guys are the PR. read them and do your reasearch.CMKX WILL NOT GO UNDER!!!! AND IS NOT A SCAM WILL ALL THOSE PR COMMING OUT. @0.0002 HOW THE HECK CAN YOU LOSE WE GOT FREE SHARES AND MORE TOO COME. WILL YOUR FULL OF CRAP BRO.
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Originally posted by bill1352:
i agree work...smart money bought everyone cmkx was involved with as soon as it became know...ucad was $3, gemm .03, sggm .02...today ucad's high $18.75, gemm .192, sggm .47. and i'd watch UCA for the next 6 months as they get closer to going after the uranium they are at .42 today with under 17 million o/s any good news about uranium will send it
It's easy to second guess. If you'd sold all your CMKX at the .0005 level, used 3/5 of it to buy UCAD at about $4 foregoing the dividend, then bought CMKX back with the remaining 2/5 at .0002 you'd not only have your original CMKX but the UCAD "dividend" for you would have been .000075. That's about 8 times the amount of the real dividend, and the shares would have been un restricted!
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~,-,-< GatorMan
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Originally posted by cndboy:
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i got a new machine that will turn cowpies into diamonds
Hate to break the news to you tony but that's not a new machine. CashCowMoo claims to be able to do that already. Wait a minute... on second thought I think he said his udders give diamonds so maybe your machine will be an enhancement. Do I smell a merger in the making?
Originally posted by sarki316:
PENCIL OCT 21ST ON YOUR CALANDER. THAT IS WHEN CMKX WILL BE FULLY REPORTING FROM MY SOURCES.
THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT'S MOVE
I NEVER MET A PERSON WHO POSTS ON A MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT A STOCK HE DOSENT OWN.
TONYTIGER GET LOST!!!!!
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Originally posted by tigertony:
Hey if you keep throwing crap against the wall eventually something will stick.Another example of crystal ball usage.Sources what sources a bunch of theory's from alot of people losing there ass right now that bought all your BS in the first place. I hope you're happy costing all those people there money.Anybody that bought into your hype just on those two stocks are standing on a bridge getting ready to jump.Originally posted by sarki316:
PENCIL OCT 21ST ON YOUR CALANDER. THAT IS WHEN CMKX WILL BE FULLY REPORTING FROM MY SOURCES.
THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT'S MOVE
p.s. did everybody get their ucad dividends
and another P.S.
Why is EVERYBODY so whinie on this BOARD
I HAVE ALLREADY MORE IN UCAD VALUE IN MY ACCOUNT THAN I PUT INTO CMKX
let`s wait for the other dividends
PATIENCE IS THE ESSENCE!
anybody smart would load up now
where could it possibly go from here?
UP!
EXACTLY!
buy low sell hi
right
and anybody who mentions B.K. is a total fool!
split?
very unlikely!
it hasn`t helped any cellar-boxed company before.
I WOULD SAY ANOTHER BUYING OPPORTUNITY!
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Tonytiger If you dont own any CMKX stock then I have no more to say to you. LOSER!!!!!
I NEVER MET A PERSON WHO POSTS ON A MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT A STOCK HE DOSENT OWN.TONYTIGER GET LOST!!!!!
Sarki,
You are aware of the fact that you are viewed as nothing but a joke on this and many other threads, right? You have made so many date specific predictions based on your "sources" and not one, not a single one of them has ever come true. I remember the CMKX and QBID prediction you made on the same day based on your "contacts" on the floor of the NYSE. Keep posting though, at least one person (me) is amused by you. You're not credible enough to do any real harm.
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Originally posted by sarki316:
Tonytiger If you dont own any CMKX stock then I have no more to say to you. LOSER!!!!!I NEVER MET A PERSON WHO POSTS ON A MESSAGE BOARD ABOUT A STOCK HE DOSENT OWN.
TONYTIGER GET LOST!!!!!
Although I dont agree with Sarki, I do have to ask what TonyTiger's interest in CMKX is - weather postive or negative if you own no shares or have interest in such an acqusition....
I apologize, in my previous post, I have your name as Tony Tiger.
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Originally posted by JEAL:
I am a very neutral party here and post very seldom and when I do, its all neutral and very meaningless - board please feel free to verify as I am sure you will....Although I dont agree with Sarki, I do have to ask what TonyTiger's interest in CMKX is - weather postive or negative if you own no shares or have interest in such an acqusition....
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Originally posted by Upside:
Nope, I didn't. The only one I know of who actually did was Van. He talked about them a month or so ago and I didn't agree with him. He was right, I was wrong. I'm sure now that it's had a meteoric rise many here will claim to have bought in but I for one didn't.
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Originally posted by JEAL:
Tiger TonyI apologize, in my previous post, I have your name as Tony Tiger.
Just curious thats all. I agree with you 100%. Its just that if I do ask for opinions and tips ( as I did earlier today so that I can make a couple of G so I can go to Vegas as the "allstocks"reporter ) I dont hash out at the other members. Please remember, that although I would love to see Sarki prove us all worng, realism is that he may be a little off.
I am fortunate enough to be in at 0.0001 so I am only out my trade fee. However, frustration does set in by many, and dreams of the BIG one get smaller, but.......
You are exactly right. Opinions are such, Theories are such, as well as facts.
However, Sarki included - does this mean that ones whos are different require the actions of 12 year old children in a school yard. This is not a childs gaming board, but an investors board, where people use there hard earned money - reagrdless of the amount - in the effort of "getting ahead". I would like to believe that we are all a little above this thats all....maybe my expecations here are too high.
Tigertony - regardless of your investments, I do hope that you profit from those. GL
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Hey Upside,hope you're making money
Making more on our football thread that I am anywhere else and even that's only around break even. Better days ahead methinks though.
and decided maybe it`s the only stock worth holding!
YOU CAN`T LOOSE!
we all wan`t to become rich.
there is allways frustration in the market
yesterday i decided to post here again ,
because this board was getting weak
and i missed out on a 220% daytrade run
that i was looking at before i posted.
my take on CMKX
buy
hold
and see what happens
like i said if you in at 0.0001 or 0.0002
you can`t loose
the volume is not going to die on you on this one
all we need is one little diamond-mine
and how big are the chances of not finding one in fort de la corne, it looks to me it`s like not finding a hay stack in the mid -west
0.0002=it`s time to load up more
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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by tigertony:
Making more on our football thread that I am anywhere else and even that's only around break even. Better days ahead methinks though.
a basher get`s paid to do that
i would only post negatively the i day get out
and then forget about it
who has the time!
05:30 AM BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. Announces Initiation of COD Operations
10/08/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Financier Langley Park Actively Trading
10/07/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Langley Park Investment Trust Plc Now Trading on London Stock Exchange
10/06/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Financier Cleared for Trading on London Stock Exchange
10/05/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals to Release Schedule for Funding
now if you go back to aug you see that evrything is falling into place as respect to their mining interests. the same holds true for gemm thats also why if i could get a few grand together i'd take a feiry ride across the river and set an account up in canada & buy UCA
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Originally posted by XchangeMODE:
A PROFESSIONAL TRADER WOULD ONLY POST on A BOARD WHERE HE OWNS A POSSITION !a basher get`s paid to do that
i would only post negatively the i day get out
and then forget about itwho has the time!
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Originally posted by bill1352:
x...not trying to argue but on the 4th ucad was just under $5 on the 6th it went down to $8 from $10 and yes it has been going up since and yes i rounded the numbers but here are the prs headlines since.......05:30 AM BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. Announces Initiation of COD Operations
10/08/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Financier Langley Park Actively Trading
10/07/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Langley Park Investment Trust Plc Now Trading on London Stock Exchange
10/06/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Financier Cleared for Trading on London Stock Exchange
10/05/04 BusinessWire U.S. Canadian Minerals to Release Schedule for Funding
now if you go back to aug you see that evrything is falling into place as respect to their mining interests. the same holds true for gemm thats also why if i could get a few grand together i'd take a feiry ride across the river and set an account up in canada & buy UCA
UCRUF.PK == UCA
I have an easy reply to this will. SomeOne that invested that kinda of money has already put there faith in cmkx before this company was even reporting . do you think that these people just poped that kind of money because of noah or dr.d. They obviously researched into this company and came to the conclusion that something good is going to happen to this stock. It doesnt take a genius to relize the potential there is in this stock figuring in all the factors. Maybe people are getting all worked up because they were expecting to make a million dollars and it hasnt happened yet. Be patient and relize that this stock is still a decent play especially if you buy in low. hang tight!
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Originally posted by AoneFischer:
will
Member posted October 12, 2004 14:49
I agree Aone, The .0001 doesn't bother me at all. It is no more the value of this stock than .0005 or .0011. I have continued to buy this stock and now have 72+ million shares. My only regret is I didn't swing trade and get more or free shares when the opportunity for them was there. Hindsight is so clear.
I did buy some of the dividends. I thought Van was wrong when he was talking about that here a while ago. I now think Van is a genius and listen with both ears. I finally bought some UCAD at $10.95 last week and felt a little foolish for buying high. I sold today at $17.50 on the second trip down. I also bought a little GEMM at the open today at .155 and sold at .178. Since I am getting these as dividends I can trade them and not worry about the price fluctuations.
I think the dividend stocks are going up because the dividends need to be paid on the short CMKX shares. I think CMKX will have it's meteoric rise in price sometime soon. When it is too painful to not cover. That is when change occurs. When the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of changing. IMO-Debi
I will stop at 77 Million I am pretty sure.
We wish him all the best...
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I will stop at 77 Million I am pretty sure.
Think so? Can you?
All they did was ask.
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We have let a lot worse back in.
Again, I know that from first hand experience. Thanks Bob!
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Originally posted by Bob Frey:
"Originally posted by noahltl:
Sorry you are all missing the fun on the real boards. Will, thuoght you just came here to ask some questions. Seems you have all the answers now. Sorry, can't stay there's real people with real DD elsewhere. "We wish him all the best...
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Originally posted by Upside:
Bob,
I know from experience that your policy is no advertising of or promoting other sites but he didn't really make specific mention of any other site and his "dd" comment was directed at our pack of clowns here on this thread, not your site in particular. You let me back on once after I mentioned a competing site, how about giving Noah a second chance too? I'll respect your decision either way.
You ought to let Noah back-in...
Going to get pretty boring without his
posts. A good part of Allstocks are the humerous posts and assessing the thought
behind the replies. I think Noah was a contributor.
(don't agree with all of his views but
definitely worth a read every now and then.)
This board has been losing many of the old
timers and the quailty has been diminishing
since the Uncle left...
Think you might want to reconsider your
decision regarding Noah.
Shad.
I have only one hope for this stock and all stocks that folks post about or invest in.
I wish every AllStocks.com visiter's investments make them a profit.
I also wish that some threads didn't turn into a bunch of "clowns" messing the dialog up for others.
I guess the biggest problem is we can't delete every personal comment so we have to let most go. I have ignored many pointed our way.
Good luck to all and thank you to all who use AllStocks.com.
We have some very good things comming in the near future. Of course they will as ever be FREE to use.
Bob
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No fun arguing with sarki and Upside.
WHADDYA MEAN NO FUN? Wanna kvetch, say the word big boy, I'll kvetch with ya!
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By the way...
I have only one hope for this stock and all stocks that folks post about or invest in.I wish every AllStocks.com visiter's investments make them a profit.
I also wish that some threads didn't turn into a bunch of "clowns" messing the dialog up for others.
I guess the biggest problem is we can't delete every personal comment so we have to let most go. I have ignored many pointed our way.
Good luck to all and thank you to all who use AllStocks.com.
We have some very good things comming in the near future. Of course they will as ever be FREE to use.
Bob
Applause from the crowd!
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Frey:
By the way...I have only one hope for this stock and all stocks that folks post about or invest in.
I wish every AllStocks.com visiter's investments make them a profit.
I also wish that some threads didn't turn into a bunch of "clowns" messing the dialog up for others.
I guess the biggest problem is we can't delete every personal comment so we have to let most go. I have ignored many pointed our way.
Good luck to all and thank you to all who use AllStocks.com.
We have some very good things comming in the near future. Of course they will as ever be FREE to use.
Bob
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
so are you going to bring back Noah?
We have let a lot worse back in.
All they did was ask.
WWJD-thru-me did you see this. pass the message on to Noah please .
thanks
Rod
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Frey:
We have let a lot worse back in.
All they did was ask.
some things will just not happen...
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Frey:
Will,some things will just not happen...
I guess two is not to bad considering the hundreds of threads out here.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
No byrd? Oh well, we better not push it!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Which two? This one and the prior CMKX one that's now closed?
quote:
( knock on wood )
That's not an attempt at a subtle QBID/gay innuendo is it?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Bob Frey:
That's not an attempt at a subtle QBID/gay innuendo is it?
Working now?
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sorry couldnt resist that one 
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
for some reason my posts arent showing up
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Hey Will,That was one hell of a 'gap-up'LOL UCAD had today wasn't it?
Maybe you won't be in hell before I can say I you I told ya so after all.(keep your chin up)
If UCAD keeps on going how there going,do you see a fs in store?
Barchart likes 'em pretty good as well in the short,mid,and long term.
quote:
Originally posted by Trade Dog:
UCRUF.PK == UCA
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LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 13, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB:UCAD - News) announced today that a 3 for 1 forward split of its Common and Preferred A shares has been approved. The Company is today notifying Nasdaq of such approval and the Company will be filing the appropriate paperwork with the goal of having the forward split reflected at the earliest possible time. The Company anticipates that said change will be reflected by Nasdaq within 10 business days.
Rendal Williams, CEO of U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. stated "We expect that this restructuring will allow the shareholder value to continue its current increase and allow for additional future financing avenues."
Further details relative to this transaction can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995:
Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
Contact:
U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc.
Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476
"UCAD will probably continue to rise throughout the week into a possible position for a 3 to 1 forward split"
Upside
Member posted October 12, 2004 14:45
quote:
Originally posted by Justhis1ce:
My UCAD divvy and split has more than paid for my CMKX investment.
I should say WILL HAVE more than paid...
El Capitan Joint Venture Partner U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Initiation of COD Operations
Wednesday October 13, 7:05 am ET
PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 13, 2004--El Capitan Precious Metals, Inc. (OTCBB:ECPN - News) announced today that its joint venture partner, U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB:UCAD - News), announced in a press release dated October 12, 2004, the initiation of operations at the COD mine located near Kingman, Arizona. The press release is as follows:
U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. Announces Initiation of COD
Operations
October 12, 2004--Las Vegas, Nevada--U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (UCAD) announced today that it initiated the commencement of operations at the COD mine in Arizona. The company has contracted for the first stage of bulk sampling on the property and the improvements of the access and facilities at the site.
Rendal Williams, CEO of U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. stated, "We are pleased to have commenced operations which will lead to full scale production from this property in the near future and are excited by the future returns we believe this property will generate."
Further details relative to this transaction can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
El Capitan and UCAD executed a joint venture agreement in May 2004 through which UCAD acquired an 80% interest in the COD mine in exchange for 720,000 shares of UCAD common stock. Net profits from the operations will be split equally among El Capitan and UCAD.
El Capitan Precious Metals, Inc. is a nominally capitalized development stage company that owns a 40% interest in the El Capitan mine located near Capitan, New Mexico, as well as a joint venture and 20% ownership of 13 mining claims and other assets known as the COD Property located near Kingman, Arizona.
The statements included in this press release concerning predictions of economic performance and management's plans and objectives constitute forward-looking statements made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, and Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. Factors which could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, factors detailed in El Capitan Precious Metals Securities and Exchange Commission filings; economic downturns affecting the operations of El Capitan Precious Metals; the inability to initiate or complete a possible sale of the El Capitan or COD properties or any other restructuring, offering, acquisition, disposition, joint venture or similar transaction; adverse financial performance by El Capitan Precious Metals; failure to obtain or maintain regulatory approval for products and services offered by El Capitan Precious Metals; the accuracy of geological and geophysical results including drilling and assay reports; the inability of the Company to develop and/or mine the El Capitan or COD properties; and the unavailability of financing to complete management's plans and objectives. The forward-looking statements contained in this press release speak only as of the date hereof and El Capitan Precious Metals disclaims any intent or obligation to update these forward-looking statements.
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Contact:
El Capitan Precious Metals, Inc.
Chuck Mottley, 480-948-0724
or
U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc.
Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Before we get all excited, remember we hold restricted shares of UCAD. Does anyone know for sure if those shares will be subject to the forward split??
They'd better be. Shares is shares. The restriction should only affect if we can sell them or not.
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~,-,-< GatorMan
I hope he nails at least a few more
Good luck to all!!
quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
Looks like Dr. D nailed one:"UCAD will probably continue to rise throughout the week into a possible position for a 3 to 1 forward split"
Upside
Member posted October 12, 2004 14:45
quote:
Originally posted by Bigrod40:
Well are we going to .0003 today on the UCAD news??
I've been watching it JEAL it has been rising slowly for a month. my whole problem is NO CASH DA****..lol
LOL
Maybe a lemonade stand would help.
I am seriously thinking of throwing a very small amount at ECPN -
quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
I've seen the name BBX Equity group on a thread before. What does anyone know about them?
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
cmkx has no stake in ucad anymore unless they increased the o/s into the treasury as they gave all shares to shareholders. and if they did put ucad shares into the treasury they haven't told anyone. the only deal that cmkx has made that could put money into cmkx's pocket is the new one with UCA. sggm gave them shares but they dont do anything to make money as far as anyone can tell.
But what if...
What's 300 Billion shares X .00000962 ?
2,886,000 shares of UCAD?
X 3 split ?
quote:
Originally posted by wnycowboy:
Y'all,
How long are the newly distributed UCAD shares restricted?
quote:
Originally posted by wnycowboy:
I don't think it would cover a cheap flight. Maybe a bus ticket if the stock ever goes back up! Thanks
quote:
Originally posted by wnycowboy:
Y'all,
How long are the newly distributed UCAD shares restricted?
Looks like at least a year:
http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/rule144.htm
I suppose it is possible for the company itself to raise the restriction any time, but baring that rule 144 should apply.
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~,-,-< GatorMan
Before UCAD was US Canadian Minerals it was Barrington Foods.
BBX Equity funded Barrington Foods.
BBX Equity has a Michael King listed as a director.
Michael King runs Princeton Research website a stock touting operation.
He was also appointed to CMKM board in Nov 2002 along with Richard
Taulli
Richard Taulli is also listed as treasurer of UCAD.
John S Woodward is president of UCAD.
John S Woodward is also listed as president of Crystalix, though
'resigned'
Remember the Crystalix filing a few weeks back. They recieved $2
million funding from CMKXTREME
A recent press release from Crystalix has Mike King of Princeton
Research as a contact. The same J Michael King as before.
He also has Crystalix profiled on his website.
It gets more complicated the deeper I dig and I'm not liking some of
the things I'm finding.
Mike King is also listed as a director of CCO inc along with John E
Dolkart
Dolkart was lawyer that had a disbarment for misconduct September 1997
King and CCO was also charged with violation of National Futures
Association regulations in 1996.
Dolkart was his attorney then.
Dolkart also appears a spokesman for CMKX in this article
http://www.diamonds.net/news/newsitem.asp?num=7372&list=2
not good if BBX Equity's Micheal King is J Micheal King/Mike King (probably)
I have a list of names that all seem to link if anyone wants to go thur them.
quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
Also speculation... is John E Dolkart the same as our John E Dhonau?I have a list of names that all seem to link if anyone wants to go thur them.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Unannounced. You never know with these guys. Could be a year+, or that just might be the money for shareholders to travel to Vegas by end of October. You'll have to wait to see.
Will...be careful. Some on this board might call you a pumper for that statment.
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
Will...be careful. Some on this board might call you a pumper for that statment.
Winsum....thats what i was thinking happened because the a/s was increased 2 days before the own by date and the split went up from 483 billion o/s to 779 billion o/s or 296 billion shares. if they did that they put 2,847,520 ucad shares in the treasury give or take a few. with the split they would have about 10 million shares or just under 30% of ucad. if they did this with gemm too they will have something to report as income. by itself cmkx has no income so why become a reporting company. i'm guessing but i don't think cmkx will say anything till after gemm dividend. might be why ucad put out a pr about the vegas party and no mention of cmkx. try to shut up this cmkx suprise by the end of oct.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Ok, here's one to ponder. Assuming we are a part of this split (still trying to find out for sure) from what I've turned up so far, it appears that our split shares will not be restricted. They only issued x amount of Rule 144 shares which should all be coded "restricted". They will remain restricted while our new split shares might not be. I'm still digging and will post what I find.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Hey WorkMan, I think you misunderstand me. When my team does bad, I boo, when my team does good, I cheer. Lately there has been a lot more to boo about as opposed to cheering.
I'm neither pumper or basher, I'm a realist with a skeptical approach to this bunch.
I'm not a big fan of people who boo others. It's one thing to be dissappointed or disheartened (I'm an X Saint's fan), but it's another thing to belittle and make fun of others...especially when they are supposedly on your team.
I guess I'm just a bit old fashioned.
PS..Look for those core sample reports real soon.
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
I'm not a big fan of people who boo others. It's one thing to be dissappointed or disheartened (I'm an X Saint's fan), but it's another thing to belittle and make fun of others...especially when they are supposedly on your team.I guess I'm just a bit old fashioned.
PS..Look for those core sample reports real soon.
quote:
Well, hurry up, I have to leave soon.
Patience son, patience. I am at work you know.
quote:
Originally posted by Teufelmann:
What's up with all the 9,999,999 blocks going through????
I don't think there is. I assume whatever you are looking at only shows up to 7 digits. All of those buys are actually 10,000,000. I may be wrong, but that is what I am seeing.
quote:
Me and the old lady sold our double wide to buy this stock. We loaded up our '74 Bronco and we is headed to the big party! We'll keep you posted on our travels.
That's a joke.....right?
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
if those core samples had any value they would have never moved to a completely new site to drill more core samples. they would have stayed right where they were. truth is that they may have 1.9 million acres but only 200,000 acres might, JUST MIGHT have something worth mining. almost all will be real nice hunting grounds. shore gold has around 60,000 acres and are looking at only 1 mine
Ameritrade e-mail
Thank you for contacting us today concerning dividends of UCAD paid to CMKX shareholders.
Companies paying a stock dividend as a spin-off will generally pay fractional shares due in the form of a "cash in lieu" payment, or by rounding up and paying an additional share. Also, this is normally done within about 10 business days from the payable date of the spin-off.
However, it is entirely up to the company paying the spin-off how they handle the fractional share, if at all. They can choose to ignore fractions, they can pool all fractions due, and perform a lottery type giveaway of whole shares to eligible shareholders, they can round up or they can pay cash in lieu.
At this time, we have not received official information indicating how the company intends to address fractional shares due. If they choose to pay cash in lieu, lottery or an additional share, it will automatically be posted to your account. If they choose to ignore it, round down, or do not assign an additional whole share to you in the lottery, then nothing additional will be posted to your account.
You may wish to contact shareholder services at the company, or their transfer agent to inquire how they intend to address the fractional shares due in the spin-off.
The entry for cash in lieu will appear on your transaction history page similar to a dividend payment.
If you have further concerns or inquiries, please reply to this message.
Sincerely,
Jason Becker
Client Services, Ameritrade
Division of Ameritrade, Inc.
Ed (GREEN BARON) just said in Dr D's PalTalk room that the Urban Casavant interview will take place today at 5PM (Vegas time).
He also stated the interview will be aired Monday morning (Oct. 18), pre-market, on the Green Baron site.
He also expects CMKX will PR this.
Green Barron & Evergreen are the same paid pumpers...
Evergreen Marketing, Inc. has received U.S. $2500 from PCS Edventures! (PCSV); we have received 250,000 shares of common stock from Cybertel (CYTP); we have received $2500 from a consultant of LJ International (JADE); in May of 2003 we received 5000 shares of common stock from a consultant of China Wireless Communications (CWLC) in January of 2004 we received $15,000; we have received $5,000 U.S. From a consultant of Office Managers, Inc (OFFM); we have received 200,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of International Sports and Media Group (ISME) Formerly San Diego Soccer Development (SDSD); we expect share compensation from a consultant of Warpradio.com (WRPR); we have received 50,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Pluristem Corp. (PLRS). We have received 4000 additional shares of Pluristem (PLRS) in May 2004 and we expect to receive another 5000 shares of PLRS in June 2004 for continued Green Baron updates and webcasts; we have received 85,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Gluv Corp. (GLVP); we received 2 million shares of V-Net Beverage, Inc. (VNTB) for public relations and promotion on The Green Baron and 2 million shares for designing, hosting, and launching a website in 2003. In 2004, we received an additional 3 million shares for ongoing consulting, website development, and webcast services; we received 2,000,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Tropical Beverage, Inc. (TPBV); we received 5,000 shares, and anticipate receiving an additional 5,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Alpine Air Express, Inc. ( ALPE); we have received 540,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of MISecurity Plus, Inc. (MSCU); we have been compensated 5,000 shares of common stock by Database solutions (DBSL); In April 2004 we received 15,000 shares of Caditec International (CDCI); we received 50,000 shares of common stock from The Dale Jarrett Racing Adventure (DJRT); We have received 17,000 shares of common stock from Nutri Pharmaceuticals Research, Inc. (NRIP); We received 15,000 shares of common stock and $1500 US from Consolidated Resources Group, Inc (CSRZ); We received $10,000 US from SE Global Equities Corp. (SEGB); We have received a total of 375,000 shares of American Scientific Resources (ASRO) from a consultant for webcast, promotion, and consulting services. We received 150,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Portrush Petroleum, Inc. (PRRPF); We have received 25,000 shares of common stock from a Marketing Consultant for BP International, Inc. (BPIL), We received $5,000 US and approximately 57,000 shares of restricted common stock from Power2Ship, Inc (PWRI), We have received an initial payment of $5,000 US from a consultant of BonusAmerica, Inc. (BAWC); We will receive 500,000 shares of common stock during October, 2004 from a consultant of Tropical Beverage, Inc. (TPBV) as compensation for the distribution of this and other material. Since we are receiving compensation and may hold stock in the company there may be an inherent conflict of interest in our statements and opinions and such statements and opinions cannot be considered independent
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Green Barron & Evergreen are the same paid pumpers...
Ok, but why a CMKX PR?
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the sec and the dtc will use fed calls to buy in illegal shorts for x days in a row, then they will let the stock "rest" for a day or two... (no forced buys at market)
then they do it again... and again etc...
i also believe cmkx is trading here due to roger and the sec and the dtc...
i believe illegal stock (held by hedge funds who shorted gobs of it to themselves in addition to the massive gobs they previously sold to us lowly retailers) is being forced to be returned to the market at their "cost" or less.
i believe uc is advertising cmkx (so blatently) for this reason... and i believe this has been going on for some time...
i also believe that these naked short hedgefunds have sold into the public float hundreds and hundreds of billions of shares that they cannot buy back at these prices... non of us selling... and that these shares will propel a short squeeze like none ever seen before...
but first things first... all illegal shares currently held by any naked short related hedgefund are being legally returned to the market at a minimum price...
some of these are likely being used to 'cover' other naked shorted shares and some are still being scooped up by cmkx'ers..
there is lots of "churning" going on to mask these trades but this is what i see anyway...
so my theory is feds take away all illegal long shares these stockgate scammers are holding (they had hoped to use gains on them to dump on a cmkx pps spike and then actually cover some of their real naked short position as cmkx fell back after such spikes...
i'll call it the "failed double short and now we have to cover on the moon theory"
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
October 21st pencil it on your calander!!!!!!!
quote:
October 21st pencil it on your calander!!!!!!!
It's already penciled in as "make fun of sarki day". Keep it up, we love it!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by sarki316:
It's already penciled in as "make fun of sarki day". Keep it up, we love it!
I have nothing more to say to you. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Sorry will, guess I kind of blew that one for you huh? Anyway that's the day that one of sarki's sources (he knows things) told him that CMKX will become a fully reporting company. Pencil it in.
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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Not jagging you. Fully reporting by next Thursday. Remember, he knows things!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Sorry will, guess I kind of blew that one for you huh? Anyway that's the day that one of sarki's sources (he knows things) told him that CMKX will become a fully reporting company. Pencil it in.
Up, Will...keep an open mind, remember Mel and the volcano.
quote:
Originally posted by Justhis1ce:
Up, Will...keep an open mind, remember Mel and the volcano.
quote:
I'm beginning to think he has sources, good sources, important people. Show me where he said that, and I'll buy a ton of this stuff.
How much you gonna buy first? Gonna send me a copy of your filled buy order? Remember, he knows things!
Sarki316 said:
Oct 11, 2004
CMKX WILL BE AT .10 A SHARE BY THE END IF OCTOBER!!!!!!!!
I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. JUCT GET READY TO CASH IN GUYS!!!!!!
Oct 11, 2004
PENCIL OCT 21ST ON YOUR CALANDER. THAT IS WHEN CMKX WILL BE FULLY REPORTING FROM MY SOURCES.
THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT’S MOVE
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Don't bullcrap me, man. Show me where sarki said that. You can make fun of him all you want, but I got thinking about it. He made a ton of $ on SIRI, someone had to tip him that Howard Stern was moving there. I'm beginning to think he has sources, good sources, important people. Show me where he said that, and I'll buy a ton of this stuff.
quote:
Up, Will...keep an open mind, remember Mel and the volcano.
Justthis1ce,
There's really only one small problem with sarki's statement and that's that it is impossible. They cannot be a reporting company by the 21st, not possible.
quote:
Originally posted by kjs69:
If this stock hits 0.10 I'll be extremely happy. I'll have everything paid off. I can't wait to see if it happens or not.
quote:
Originally posted by kjs69:
If this stock hits 0.10 I'll be extremely happy. I'll have everything paid off. I can't wait to see if it happens or not.
quote:
Originally posted by kjs69:
On page 2 of this thread.Sarki316 said:
Oct 11, 2004
CMKX WILL BE AT .10 A SHARE BY THE END IF OCTOBER!!!!!!!!I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. JUCT GET READY TO CASH IN GUYS!!!!!!
Oct 11, 2004
PENCIL OCT 21ST ON YOUR CALANDER. THAT IS WHEN CMKX WILL BE FULLY REPORTING FROM MY SOURCES.THAT IS WHEN IT WILL MAKE IT’S MOVE
Dear Christina,
I noticed that US Canadian will be forward splitting their common stock
on a 3 for 1 basis in the near future. I am a shareholder of Rule 144
restricted shares from the CMKX dividend and was wondering if these
shares would participate in the split as well? If so, will the new
shares also be restricted or will they be free trading after the split?
Thank you for your time.
Below is her reply:
Yes and they will be restricted.
I guess that's the old good news and bad news answer.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Got my reply from UCAD! Below is the e-mail I sent to Christina, the I.R. contact:Dear Christina,
I noticed that US Canadian will be forward splitting their common stock
on a 3 for 1 basis in the near future. I am a shareholder of Rule 144
restricted shares from the CMKX dividend and was wondering if these
shares would participate in the split as well? If so, will the new
shares also be restricted or will they be free trading after the split?
Thank you for your time.Below is her reply:
Yes and they will be restricted.
I guess that's the old good news and bad news answer.
quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
what do you reckon? lesson to be learnt?
That begin like this:
"i also believe cmkx is trading here due to roger and the sec and the dtc..."
and end like this:
"i'll call it the "failed double short and now we have to cover on the moon theory"
He takes a shortcut to nosenseville. This other guy has a cover up CMKX, Roger, DTC, SEC, conspiracy going on, and the cherry on the top is double short cover. I understand sarki, (don't agree), just understand his prediction, this other guy, what did he say? LOL
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
ya gotta love these naked short theories. now instead of the squeeze causing a price spike it's caused a pps drop, cool. the fact that we haven't heard of anyone not getting ucad shares doesn't cause them to bat an eye. the sky is blue, grass is green & cmkx theories come out once a day...lol
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
I have not recieved all of my shares ucad yet short about 20 etrade sent me an email stating they made an error with the calculation oh yeah and for a scam company to issue 16 dollars a share stock sounds kind of strange unless they did the scam on ucad and we just happened to bennefit. if that is the case let the scam continue
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
Well I dont mean to offend but I thought sarki was a hot asian lady. sorry they need to have a profile thing in here. I will say one thing. He might just be right oct 19 - 21 might need to mark it on my calander after all. Just a feeling of course. lets see what transpires. Its either going to be something that is going to royaly piz everyone off or its something that is going to make us smile. I feel news comming. just my opinion only.
and if sarki is a hot asian lady and this thing goes to 0.10 on the 21st i would like
to meet her in vegas ,even if she smokes cigars.
o.k. jokes asides
are we getting a forward split on ucad
or to i add to the rumours .it has allready been previously considered
and the outstanding shares in cmkx would actually be 1/3 of the previous calculation
on the other hand there was that rumour,
from one of the big guys last week saying that the amount of our ucad dividends could still change.
was the ucad split that obvious to predict?
I seem to remember that there were quite a few people that made jokes about getting the dividend at all. Oh sure, now they say they are restricted, so what did we actually get? But that was not the comments stated here. There were some that laughed at the dividend even being paid at all. Where are you guys?
EVERYTHING stated by this company has come to pass. Time frames change, but that's how things work. NOW, we get a forward split on the UCAD dividend. Seems to me that a forward split is a good thing for a stock...right? Why is UCAD rising? Why? There's something out of the ordinary happening here. It's all good. It's not on your timeframe, but it's good.
It's getting real hard to doubt this stock as the days go on. Yeah, maybe it's taking a little longer than short sellers would like, but the confidence level is rising.
I look at both sides of the story. I think there has been some quality questions concerning this stock. There's been some quality positive estimates, also.
This board has developed into a "Let's find out who's a joke" board. Most make fun of guestimates, make fun of theroies and make fun of physical appearances of others. Some make fun of anything concerning CMKX and spend countless hours trying to discredit this company. I'm finding that even here, there is a sense of belief that yes, maybe this might be something. Oh, I know, some of you won't admit it, but most of you deep down think that maybe it could be something exciting.
I visit this board to bring me back down to earth since I tend to dream a little much. The problem is, there's been nothing stated here that makes me doubt this stock. Kind of dissappointing. Come on guys, you can do better than this. I think you are mostly being converted.
It's a sad day for allstocks....
"EVERYTHING stated by this company has come to pass."
Which company are you refering to, CMKX or UCAD. Seems you're mixing apples and oranges.
When it was rumored a forward split, yes I doubted it. When they PR'd, and gave it more credence I was happy to see it.
UCAD seems to be much more forthright and forthcoming in their reporting. Unfortuantely, I purchased CMKX who stand to learn a few things from UCAD's forthrightness and keeping its word to shareholders.
Is it because they think CMKX is dead and its not going back up to 0003+? or
Is it because they think CMKX already did better than what they've preaching? Because CMKXers got UCAD divys and UCAD is doing better..
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
CMKX kinda reminds me of that movie Gremlins and somebody just spilled the water on Gizzmo.HA HA HA
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
I think Gizzmo was from Chinatown.
As far as CMKX not keeping their word, there are some theories and some things Uncle Melvie said that did not come to pass.
I think the theories were non company people and Melvin was just trying too hard.
All the pr's seem to have come true pretty close to what was said.
Rememeber Melvin and his Mt. St, Helens prediction. "this is big folks, I mean real big", going on and on. Then CMKX Pr'd that the samples had diamondferus present, independent lab and all, blah blah blah... Then UCAD and other jv partners were halted on the Canadian exchanges until there was a fair playing field. Did we find out about the REAL diamond content in those samples form CMKX or was it forced through the Canadian exchange in an effort to make the jv's be forthright about exacly what was found? What was found? Two micro diamonds.
How about the increase in A/S? How did we come to know about that? Through forthright reporting from CMKX? No it was through the efforts of someone calling the Nevada Secretary of State.
I just don't see them being forthright and out in front with their reporting.
You say all the PR's have pretty much come through. Well, if you consider how ambiguous and incomplete they are I guess you could be right. The one saying diamondferus was present, I guess is/was true, but it was so open ended that sure it could be true, and it also gives them a high degree of deniability. It's like telling someone you are having an exceptional day, but you forget to mention it is exceptionally crappy.
Look, I'm not bashing this thing. I'm just asking that they be more forthright, forthcoming, complete with their PR's. Yes, I liked getting the UCAD dividend, I like the F/S. I sure would like to see the goods and know the truth regarding CMKX.
Where are the results of the second set of core samples?
O/S had to be calculated from the UCAD dividend. (and are still not believed to be 780B by some}
Where are they in the process of becoming a reporting company.
I understand you can't answer those questions, but would you not think CMKX could and should?
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Yep, the bashers were wrong about the divvy.
As far as CMKX not keeping their word, there are some theories and some things Uncle Melvie said that did not come to pass.I think the theories were non company people and Melvin was just trying too hard.
All the pr's seem to have come true pretty close to what was said.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
They should give info as best for the company. Being dishonest usually hurts companies in the long run.
quote:
All the pr's seem to have come true pretty close to what was said.
Well, starting with their diamondiferous p/r of the Carolyn pipe, I guess you could say that was "accurate" but everyone here knows it was at minimum a bending of the truth.
Next was a transfer agent switch and a full accounting and disclosure of the companys share count. They were with Global then and are with Global now and we don't know the structure so I'd have to question that one.
Then they announced that they and their partners had a airborne survey done with startling results. The results of that survey are shown on CMKX handouts but none of the partners have mentioned or are publishing those results.
Then there was a whole bunch of claims purchases by outsiders with us receiving the dividends. So far they have paid one late with more pending. I'll concede that point to you.
My point is, this company has nothing more than a deceitful at best history behind it. Maybe a leopard can change his spots but I don't think this one has. CMKX has not filed to become a reporting company yet. Those documents are public record and there are none to be found on the SEC website. Registration is a lengthy process, with no filings to date I'd speculate they are at best a full year or more away from achieving it. Then there's Roger Glenn. People say that there is no way he'd get involved with CMKX if it wasn't on the up and up. He absolutely would, in fact he'd jump at the chance. He and his firm don't solicit individuals cases, they are after corporate accounts. If he can clean up a mess like this imagine what it could do for their corporate resume. Any firm in trouble would know where to look. Sorry for the ramble here but so many people are postulating so many different things here when the truth, in my opinion, is so obvious.
these two are the current value of the pps
actually that would be 16 mill.
if i`m not mistaken
and how much are they paying out in dividends
something is wrong with this picture
could somebody help me!!!!
what would happen if one of the two basic
valuations would change or both as a matter of fact both
o/s and value!
and what about the companies they are involved with.
it`s not like a single company that could be scam.
there is ucad and there are other companies.
and again roger glenn is not specialized in bankruptcies.
and cmkx is not trading at lofty levels and on no volume!
right!
August Focus Stock Update
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX)
Green Baron CEO Webcast Alert!
Webcast Interview with CMKM Diamonds, Inc CEO Urban Casavant and U.S. Canadian Minerals CEO Rendal Williams to be available exclusively to Green Baron Members!!!
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if you download the excell document it has a list of all the mineral claims and who they are held by.
Note 101012190 SASK. LTD.
http://tinyurl.com/4get3
CMKM aquired mineral claims from 101012190 SASK. LTD. in Jan 2003
Cant find any of the other listed tho.
Nevada minerals is listed.
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Originally posted by tradingpennys:
check this out - http://www.diamondplay.com/s/Region-Saskatchewan.asp
CMKM is NOT listed.
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quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
I did find something to clarify the CMKX's claims.
http://www.ir.gov.sk.ca/Default.aspx?DN=3572,3385,2936,Documentsif you download the excell document it has a list of all the mineral claims and who they are held by.
Note 101012190 SASK. LTD.
http://tinyurl.com/4get3CMKM aquired mineral claims from 101012190 SASK. LTD. in Jan 2003
Cant find any of the other listed tho.
Nevada minerals is listed.
Nice find tic_toc. Wish we were called "Buckshot" instead of CMKX.
On November 25, 2002 the Company agreed to acquire the Casavant Family Mineral Claims in certain kimberlite deposits located in the Province of Saskatchewan, Canada. The Mineral Claims were held in the name of five companies owned directly and/or beneficially by the Casavant Family and Morgain Minerals, Inc. (a company held by third parties with the claims under option). These companies include Commando Holdings, Ltd., Buckshot Holdings, Ltd., 101010307 Saskatchewan Ltd., 101012190 Saskatchewan Ltd., and 101027101 Saskatchewan Ltd. In addition, Fort a la Corne Diamond Fields, Inc. acted as the claims and exploration manager for the five companies above, as well as, the claims held by Morgain Minerals, Inc. Each of these companies have agreed to transfer 100% of the Mineral Claims to the Company in accordance with the Mineral Disposition Regulations of Saskatchewan, 1986.
This is copied from CMKX's registration statement back when Urban first took over. Where it says "the Company agreed to acquire the Casavant Family Mineral Claims" they are referring to CMKX buying these claims from Urban. Supposedly any claims that Urban held under the name Buckshot were transferred to CMKX. Don't know why they still list them under the Buckshot name unless it's a different company or different claims held by Urban separate from CMKX.
Yea Upside I read through it and your last statement is what has me a little worried. What if it is different claims help by Urban not included in CMKX...and those are the damn claims that actually produce diamonds. Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass.
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
gemm, ucad, sggm & uca are all down today. gemm was .19 two days ago at .09 now
* I presume that you are not on the IRS's Christmas Card's list then are you *
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
if i was you and i'm not saying its a lock but i'd watch in the morning for any posts by dardadog. i've been watching him for a few months and if you act quick he does hit a good percent of the time. i owe the IRS $38,000 and if i dont make enough to pay it off before ameritrade sends out 1099's in Jan. they will close my account. so i'm just holding everything hoping 1 will hit it big by the first of the year
[This message has been edited by JEAL (edited October 14, 2004).]
On November 25, 2002 the Company agreed to acquire the Casavant Family Mineral Claims in certain kimberlite deposits located in the Province of Saskatchewan, Canada. The Mineral Claims were held in the name of five companies owned directly and/or beneficially by the Casavant Family and Morgain Minerals, Inc. (a company held by third parties with the claims under option). These companies include Commando Holdings, Ltd., Buckshot Holdings, Ltd., 101010307 Saskatchewan Ltd., 101012190 Saskatchewan Ltd., and 101027101 Saskatchewan Ltd. In addition, Fort a la Corne Diamond Fields, Inc. acted as the claims and exploration manager for the five companies above, as well as, the claims held by Morgain Minerals, Inc. Each of these companies have agreed to transfer 100% of the Mineral Claims to the Company in accordance with the Mineral Disposition Regulations of Saskatchewan, 1986.
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Here is some emails that were sent earlier this year on another board to try and clear up questions about Morgain Minerals.
From: Rod Doran
To: Ron Patzer
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: info inquiry (edited)
I am the President and CEO of Morgain Minerals Inc. - we hold the referred to claims in Saskatchewan.
Rod Doran
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Patzer
To: Rod Doran
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: info inquiry
OK- now what is your connection to CMKM and Urban Casavant. Do you have an agreement to turn over 100% your interest in your claims to CMKM? You will notice at the end of paragraph 1 that he states 100% of the claims will be turned over to CMKM. Have you turned over any of your claims to CMKM? Do you know Mr. Casavant? TIA
Answer:
I have contacted our Chairman Ray Mongeau who is familiar with the Saskatchewan claims. He will contact you to discuss your questions.
Rod Doran
By: arete
06 Feb 2004, 12:35 PM EST
Msg. 62937 of 518692
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I just spoke with Ray Mongeau of Morgain Minerals and he said that MM and UC, he knows him and has seen him, had a discussion 2 years ago but has never heard back from him to finalize any deal. He said they definitely didn't have any deal including any option arrangement for MM claims. The original talks called for UC to buy MM claims for $120,000. So those claims from MM are not apart of UCs collection.
Info as of Feb.04
GLTA
[This message has been edited by Upside (edited October 14, 2004).]
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Ahhh - gotcha. I have almost made the decision to throw some money at UCA.v and Sggm - just a little trigger shy. Being new to all of this, still learning and so far have not had a whole lot of luck - NT, TSBI to name a few.....looking at USCI though for kicks -
You bought Nortel?? I saw those *******s when they were .75$, we both should of bought then...would have but I didn't have a trading account open at the time.
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
i dont have any cash to play with but i'd hold up on anything with cmkx buddies for a day or so. gemm, ecpn are part of ucad and will be hurt by the forward split for a few days. ameritrade isn't adding uca-v to my streamer so i'm wondering if they will allow me to buy if i could
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
You bought Nortel?? I saw those *******s when they were .75$, we both should of bought then...would have but I didn't have a trading account open at the time.
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Thanks for the heads up -
quote:
This company set to bash UCAD: http://www.yp.com/stocklemonade.html[/quote]I don't see anything on their site to indicate that, what do you know?
Posted by Prdponce on :
Some one else is busy finding diamonds. All CMKX has to do is drill and test.No bashing here. I am holding a few shares.
2004-10-14 16:10:15
New Diamond-Bearing Dyke
***> VANCOUVER, British Columbia, Oct. 14, 2004 (PRIMEZONE) -- Management is pleased to announce the results of caustic fusion analyses from 19 surface samples of various kimberlite and lamprophyre dykes on the Diamond Discoveries (OTCBB
Posted by Prdponce on :
Double posting[This message has been edited by prdponce (edited October 14, 2004).]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Guess UC has the wrong land.....now wouldnt it be nice to get a report like this from CMKX, even if they didnt find anything????[This message has been edited by ed19363 (edited October 14, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
Sure would, don't hold your breath though.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
"New Diamond-Bearing Dyke"?Didn't you mean to post that over on the QBID thread?
(Plus, it's great how "OTCBB (colon) DMDD" ends up with a grin)
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
quote:
"New Diamond-Bearing Dyke"?
Didn't you mean to post that over on the QBID thread?Now that's funny!!!
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
October 15, 2004 05:30 AM US Central TimezoneU.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. Announces Ecuadorian Concession, Green Baron Webcast and Further Information on Forward Split
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 15, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB:UCAD) announced today that it has acquired a concession for the mining of gold in Ecuador. Said concession has been granted to the Company's subsidiary, Yellow River Mining, S.A.
U.S. Canadian Minerals' CEO Rendal Williams was interviewed for a CEO Webcast addressing shareholders and the investment community on the current and future prospects of the Company. The webcast will be conducted by Evergreen Marketing, Inc. and made available to the general public on The Green Baron Investors Society's website at www.*************.com beginning Monday, October 18, 2004.
The Company's earlier announced 3 for 1 forward split is expected to be effective October 25, 2004. All shareholders of record as of that date will participate in the split.
Further details relative to this transaction can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
St. George Metals, Inc. Information for Shareholders
Business Wire - October 15, 2004 09:30VEGREVILLE, Alberta, Oct 15, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Mark Giebelhaus, President of St. George Metals, Inc. (Pink Sheets:SGGM) is pleased to announce the company has a web page under construction at www.stgeorgemetalsinc.com.
The Company has retained the services of Barry D. Rayment, Ph.D. who has many years global mining experience and has worked for BP Exploration and other major mining companies. No work has been given to Mr. Rayment yet but his services have been retained to examine any claims the Company considers. There is no guarantee that any fruitful claims will be forthcoming.
The Company is considering exploration in Northern Arizona this month. No contracts have been entered into at this time.
The Company has ongoing negations with CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) as previously reported.
The Company is currently selecting a new Board of Directors, and a Board of Advisors from senior qualified individuals with academic, professional and practical qualifications. No appointments have been made as of today's date.
More information will be released on all these areas this month.
There is no guarantee that the location and securing of mineral claims and or exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
Posted by dwman on :
Any ideas about what might be going on today. Very heavy volumn and I made numerous attempts to buy at .0002. All were rejected. Had my broker place the order for me and still has not filled. He said MMs are rejecting 1 to 3 million dollar orders. I was trying for 2 million.
Posted by bill1352 on :
sggm...cmkx's little brother?? no info, no work or income but we are looking...lol and the pps is at .40 & climbing with very little volume. sounds like a shell in the making
Posted by bill1352 on :
might not be enough gap to make money on it DW. last night on the q thread a good artical about mm manipulation pg 15 i think
Posted by Pappy on :
hey all. any one have Level 2 im wondering if i can get a by at .0001?
Posted by Pappy on :
has anyone made buys at .0001 today?
Posted by TruthTeller on :
This is part of latest Dr.D's post..----------------------------------------
A phone call to your brokerage firms and inquiring about the UCAD shares being truly delivered into your account could yield some interesting information. They will say they have been posted to your account, but as I have found out if you try to withdraw them in certificate form it is denied because the true certificates have not been delivered by the DTC to the brokerage firms Street Name. Meaning, they have no restricted UCAD shares to send us at this time. Speak to the reorganization Department at your broker and ask them specifically about the time frame for the UCAD delivery so you can withdraw your UCAD certificates, whether you intend to or not.
------------------------------------------Bill,
Whats your take on this? I am asking you because I read you posting 'they can't cover with the shares bought in open market'. What if the MMs work with the broker to show phantom shares in our account? Thx.
Posted by valves on :
CMKM Diamonds Inc. CEO Interview with Green Barron for Webcast
10/15/2004 1:19:00 PM
LAS VEGAS, Oct 15, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) CEO Urban Casavant was interviewed for a CEO Webcast addressing shareholders and the investment community on the current and future prospects of the company. The webcast will be conducted by Evergreen Marketing Inc. and made available to the general public on The Green Baron Investors Society's Web site at www.*************.com beginning Monday, Oct. 18, 2004.There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
This press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release.
SOURCE: CMKM Diamonds Inc.
CMKM Diamonds Inc.
Diamonds Hotline:
Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755
Fax: 306-752-3754
Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved.
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
I am thinking out loud here.....
All this heavy volume the last couple of days, I wonder how much Evergreen Marketing Inc. is buying (UC Interviewers)???
Why put out a PR stating "Interview to be heard on this date?? Is there some real juice in this interview no one should miss??
Last but not least, Is this the last day to buy at .0002??
Why would anyone sell at .0002 this close to the end of October??Interesting days to come...........
Posted by RaiderJR on :
A brokerage is now reporting an adjusted UCAD Divvy reflecting an OS of 390 billion.
How bout that.
Posted by JEAL on :
Do you happen to have any further details or source? Please provide if possible
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
A brokerage is now reporting an adjusted UCAD Divvy reflecting an OS of 390 billion.
How bout that.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
390B means UCAD divy should be doubled. Any furher info on this?P.S: Just read on other board that the broker is Trading Direct. Several people stated their UCAD divy shares doubled.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
A brokerage is now reporting an adjusted UCAD Divvy reflecting an OS of 390 billion.
How bout that.[This message has been edited by TruthTeller (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
Raider:
I got this from first alert but can't get to the detail. Sure the correction is regarding the UCAD dividend?10/15/04 2:10:00 PM
CORRECTING and REPLACING St. George Metals, Inc. Information for Shareholders
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
A brokerage is now reporting an adjusted UCAD Divvy reflecting an OS of 390 billion.
How bout that.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Raider:
I got this from first alert but can't get to the detail. Sure the correction is regarding the UCAD dividend?10/15/04 2:10:00 PM
CORRECTING and REPLACING St. George Metals, Inc. Information for Shareholders
It's nothing, really. I didn''t even post it when it came across my streamer. Actually, I can't even see what they replaced.
Cmkm Diamond Inc (OTHER OTC: CMKX)
Last Update: 2:10:00 PM ET Oct 15, 2004
CORRECTING and REPLACING St. George Metals, Inc. Information for Shareholders
VEGREVILLE, Alberta, Oct 15, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- In BW5155 issued Oct. 15, 2004: Fourth graph, first sentence of release should read: The Company has ongoing negotiations with CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) as previously reported. (sted The Company has ongoing negations with CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) as previously reported.)The corrected release reads: ST. GEORGE METALS, INC. INFORMATION FOR SHAREHOLDERS
Mark Giebelhaus, President of St. George Metals, Inc. (Pink Sheets:SGGM) is pleased to announce the company has a web page under construction at www.stgeorgemetalsinc.com.
The Company has retained the services of Barry D. Rayment, Ph.D. who has many years global mining experience and has worked for BP Exploration and other major mining companies. No work has been given to Mr. Rayment yet but his services have been retained to examine any claims the Company considers. There is no guarantee that any fruitful claims will be forthcoming.
The Company is considering exploration in Northern Arizona this month. No contracts have been entered into at this time.
The Company has ongoing negotiations with CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) as previously reported.
The Company is currently selecting a new Board of Directors, and a Board of Advisors from senior qualified individuals with academic, professional and practical qualifications. No appointments have been made as of today's date.
More information will be released on all these areas this month.
There is no guarantee that the location and securing of mineral claims and or exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
[This message has been edited by WinsumLosesum (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by Money_Penny on :
People are reporting that they have received another batch of UCAD shares in their accounts equal in amount to the first dividend. This is supposedly due to a new distribution rate based on 390B OS. I called my broker (Lowtrades) and they have no info on further shares coming my way.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
negotiations and negations[QUOTE]Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
[B] It's nothing, really. I didn''t even post it when it came across my streamer. Actually, I can't even see what they replaced.
Posted by will on :
Haven't seen it my account. Let you know if I do. I use freetrade.
quote:
Originally posted by Money_Penny:
People are reporting that they have received another batch of UCAD shares in their accounts equal in amount to the first dividend. This is supposedly due to a new distribution rate based on 390B OS. I called my broker (Lowtrades) and they have no info on further shares coming my way.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by TruthTeller:
negotiations and negationsDang. I read that like 10 times, and didn't see it. Thanks, TT.
Posted by bill1352 on :
TruthTeller
Member posted October 15, 2004 13:08
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is part of latest Dr.D's post..
----------------------------------------
A phone call to your brokerage firms and inquiring about the UCAD shares being truly delivered into your account could yield some interesting information. They will say they have been posted to your account, but as I have found out if you try to withdraw them in certificate form it is denied because the true certificates have not been delivered by the DTC to the brokerage firms Street Name. Meaning, they have no restricted UCAD shares to send us at this time. Speak to the reorganization Department at your broker and ask them specifically about the time frame for the UCAD delivery so you can withdraw your UCAD certificates, whether you intend to or not.
------------------------------------------Bill,
Whats your take on this? I am asking you because I read you posting 'they can't cover with the shares bought in open market'. What if the MMs work with the broker to show phantom shares in our account? Thx.=======================================
thats what ameritrade told me over a month ago. i also talked to mytrack & they said about the same thing. restricted & unrestricted shares are 2 differant things on paper. dr. d says call for the certs, well it is true that they can't send you unrestricted shares. the paper cert. will say restricted in plain english. as for the idea that the 0/s is 1/2 the dividend split as i posted yesterday it could be that UC did not want to give away all of ucad. if he gave all shares to shareholders then cmkx would have no stake in ucad at all us shareholders would. so it just might be possible. of course cmkx wouldn't think of saying anything to us shareholders about it...lol. if cmkx was naked shorted & the DTC sent fake shares to broker accounts, street name accounts, they just opened the door to a world of hurt. i would think that instead of putting their necks in the chopping block they would hang the guilty mm's out to dry because i'm sure not all mm's are guilty. better to hang a few mm's then trash the whole system
[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by case on :
Will:
I just wanted to let you know that
I also recieved more UCAD in my account
today.
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"will
Member posted October 15, 2004 15:48 Haven't seen it my account. Let you know if I do. I use freetrade."
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Posted by bill1352 on :
case
Member posted October 15, 2004 16:43
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Will:
I just wanted to let you know that
I also recieved more UCAD in my account
today.
===================================Who is your account with & did you recieve the correct amount the first time?? I know 1 broker used the wrong split numbers & had to re-adjust everyone's account
Posted by Doctoall on :
Does anyone know if Kennsington Resources released a PR today related to FALC 150 Core diamond findings. PLease post if you have any information.
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Posted by RaiderJR on :
Yes they did for area 150 I believe. It said it was not economically feasable and they would concentrate on other targets.
It seems the samples had been held since 2003.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i think it was yesterday doc. its on this page or page 8 come to think about it, it was an article in the local paper there. the link is on page 8[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by Doctoall on :
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October 15, 2004 01:27 PM US Pacific TimezoneKensington Resources Ltd.: Microdiamond Results for FALC 150 Core
VICTORIA, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 15, 2004--Kensington Resources Ltd. (TSX VENTURE:KRT) (the "Company") announces that it has received from the operator, De Beers Canada Exploration Inc., microdiamond results from the Kimberley Microdiamond Lab (KMDL) for Kimberlite Body 150 of the Fort a la Corne Diamond Project in east-central Saskatchewan.
Kimberlite 150 was selected for delineation drilling and microdiamond sampling in Fall 2003 due to favourable historical diamond recoveries and its size. The new results were combined with historical data from the 150 body in order to make grade forecasts based on stone size distributions. Both the new data and the grade forecasts by Mineral Resource Management (MRM) of De Beers do not support further drilling and sampling work on this kimberlite but efforts on the other prospective bodies will continue under the current, accelerated program. The 2004 - 2005 evaluation and exploration program, budgeted at $7.62 million, represents the largest and most aggressive program to date at Fort a la Corne."While the diamond recoveries from Kimberlite 150 were lower than expected, the Joint Venture partners remain committed in their current strategy of focusing on enriched zones in a number of other proximally-located priority kimberlites bodies including 140/141, 148 and 122," stated Robert McCallum, President and CEO of Kensington. "Past results from these bodies have been very encouraging and in the upcoming meetings of the Joint Venture Management Committee, we will be examining ways to accelerate a development decision on the Fort a la Corne Project."
Representative slabbed core samples were collected from 12 HQ coreholes widely spaced across the 150 body. A total of 392 microdiamonds were recovered from 51 samples utilizing caustic dissolution methods on 422 kilograms of core submitted to the Saskatchewan Research Council (SRC). The SRC recovered and reported diamonds down to a lower cutoff of 0.075 millimetres in size; diamonds passing through a 0.075 mm screen were not included in the stone tallies. The SRC reported 98.6% recovery of internal tracers during diamond recovery and stone picking was routinely audited by a supervisor.
Recovered diamonds and selected caustic residues were sent to the De Beers' Kimberley Microdiamond Laboratory (KMDL) for further auditing and verification of individual stone size, shape, and sieve category using proprietary techniques. KMDL reported 238 stones with dimensions equivalent to a +74 micron sieve cut-off and having a combined weight of 0.248 carats including one macrodiamond weighing 0.226 carats recovered in the 2 mm sieve category. The average diamond grade for all samples was 5.7 stones per 10 kg utilizing only stones greater than 74 microns.
Due to geological complexity in the 150 kimberlite body, the results from the 2003 drillholes were divided into three groups corresponding to the three areal lobes of the kimberlite outline (Table One). Diamond results by kimberlite type and sieve category are shown in Table Two.
Table One: 150 Microdiamond Results by Kimberlite Type---------------------------------------------------------------------
Micro-
diamond
Abundance
greater
Total Stones than 74 Stones
150 Sample Carat greater microns larger
Kimberlite Mass Total Weight than 74 (stones/ than
Area (kg) Stones (octacarats) microns 10 kg) 0.5 mm
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North Lobe 82.7 80 394,500 47 5.7
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West Lobe 239.5 258 24,332,850 161 6.7 1;
0.226 cts.
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South Lobe 99.5 54 183,400 31 3.1
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Total 421.7 392 24,910,750 239 Average
of 5.7
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Table Two: KMDL 150 Microdiamond Results (greater than 74 microns)
by Sieve Category and Kimberlite Type---------------------------------------------------------------------
Kimberlite +0.074mm +0.106mm +0.150mm +0.212mm
Type Sieve Sieve Sieve Sieve
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North Lobe 22 18 3 4
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West Lobe 78 49 25 6
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South Lobe 18 9 3 1
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Total 118 76 31 11
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+0.600 to
Kimberlite +0.300mm +0.425mm +0.850 mm +2 mm
Type Sieve Sieve Sieves Sieve
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North Lobe 0 0 0 0
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West Lobe 2 0 0 1
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South Lobe 0 0 0 0
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Total 2 0 0 1
---------------------------------------------------------------------In terms of stone size fractions, approximately 49.4% of the stones were recovered on the 0.074 mm sieve and 94.1% of the stones were retained in sieves less than 0.212 mm (Table 2). However, 91% of the total carat weight of diamond from these samples was recovered in a single stone from the west lobe. Viewed in isolation, microdiamond stone counts can be misleading and the estimation of macrodiamond grade from microdiamond results will require an interpretation of the diamond grade-size plots.
The 2003 microdiamond dataset was made available for modeling grade estimates by MRM. From the combined dataset of historical and new results, 352 microdiamonds from the west lobe were available for modeling, of which 46 were re-categorized as less than 74 microns in size, and therefore not used. Due to the prevalence of stones in only four size classes, historical macrodiamond data for 56 stones was utilized to stabilize the grade-size curve. The grade forecast for this lobe is 3 cpht and encompasses an estimated mass of 68 million tonnes of kimberlite based on integration of drillhole information and geophysical data. Currently, confidence limits for the modeled data are not available.
Modeling of the south lobe of the body utilized 129 microdiamonds (23 unused stones were categorized as less than 74 microns in size) grouped into four size categories. Only 15 macrodiamonds were recovered from this lobe in the past and this number of stones was insufficient to include in the modeling. The south lobe was assigned a forecast grade of 3 cpht encompassing a mass of 50.5 million tonnes based on integration of drillhole information and geophysical data. The north lobe was not modeled due to the availability of only 67 microdiamonds and no historical macrodiamonds. The estimated mass for this lobe is 32.1 tonnes.
The reader is cautioned that the grade estimates are conceptual in nature. The grade of kimberlite above a 1.5 mm bottom cutoff is estimated from a combination of micro- and macrodiamond data. Confidence levels for these figures are low and additional testing of macrodiamond content may be required to increase confidence levels in the grade forecasts. The reader also should be aware that insufficient geological control and quantity of sampling has been obtained to permit rigorous application of economic considerations and that there is no certainty that these preliminary assessments will be realized. In short, the figures presented herein are utilized as an exploration tool and their primary value is for comparison of diamondiferous kimberlite targets within the focus of the ongoing evaluation program.
The large gravity anomaly located east of the known 150 body was targeted with an HQ corehole during the last week of September, 2004. No substantial kimberlite interval was intersected, although a three metre thick kimberlitic ash bed was encountered within mudstone of the Lower Colorado Group at a depth of 142.6 metres. The corehole was terminated at a depth of 195 metres. The source of the gravity anomaly remains unknown.
Brent C. Jellicoe, P.Geo. is the Qualified Person for the Company and has reviewed the technical information herein. All aspects of quality assurance, quality control, and sample chain of custody for the Fort a la Corne Joint Venture are managed by De Beers Canada Exploration Inc., the project operator.
Using the expertise of proven management and world-class, experienced technical advisors, Kensington Resources Ltd. is actively involved in confirming the economic potential of this deposit and moving the project forward to a development decision as rapidly as possible. The Fort a la Corne Diamond Project is a joint venture among Kensington Resources Ltd. (42.25%), De Beers Canada Exploration Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of De Beers (42.25%), Cameco Corporation (5.5%) and UEM Inc. (carried 10%). The 71+ kimberlite bodies of the Fort a la Corne Field form one of the largest diamondiferous clusters in the world.
Robert A. McCallum, President & CEO
TRADING SYMBOL: KRT-TSX.V
FORM 20-F FILE #0-24980
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1-800-514-7859 or (250) 361-1578
Fax: (250) 361-3410
Email: mel-gardner@kensington-resources.com
Email: rob-mccallum@kensington-resources.com
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Mel Gardner
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hi folks. Been out of town for most of the week and it took me over an hour to read all the posts I missed.Will, thanks for your concern! Really enjoyed some of your and Upside's posts.
No, I was not banned. Just away and having a bit of fun in a toy train meet.
Bill1352, want you to know I am very impressed with the talent you demonstrate with your posts. Always in-depth thinking and excellent logic!
Upside, had I been here, with my exceptional expertise and WS experience (LOL), I could have told you that you were entitled to the split shares on UCAD. As long as shares are issued and outstanding (restricted or not), that will always be true. I have no idea why people cannot get certs on the restricted shares, but it may be that they would cause too much confusion down the road without broker control.
Sure hope "noahltl" decides to ask to get back on Allstocks. I am sure you will see this, noahltl, so please do return. We miss your spunk and theories.
tigertony, don't let anyone chase you away when you might have something to contribute. It does not matter whether you own shares of CMKX or not. You could own shares in HELL and still be welcome as far as I am concerned.
Didn't check, so can anyone tell me if CMKX closed at .0001 during the week?
Posted by case on :
Will:
Trading direct said they received a letter from US Clearing Corp and the new rate is .0000192. My account also reflects this.[This message has been edited by case (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Re the above post on Kensington and compare it to CMKX with all the monies wasted or put into other interests or operations:
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The 2004 - 2005 evaluation and exploration program, budgeted at $7.62 million, represents the largest and most aggressive program to date at Fort a la Corne.
******************************************How about that?
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
case
Member posted October 15, 2004 16:43That would be ETRADE. They gave us the remaing shares due but I've not seen any since then. It would sure be nice if we get our shares doubled before the 3:1 split!
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Posted by RaiderJR on :
If the correct OS is 390 Billion then the OS before Nevada got theirs would have been 315 billion or there abouts.
Maybe Uncle Melvie wasn't lying.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
No, I was not banned. Just away and having a bit of fun in a toy train meet.What scale trains you deal with? I'm not into it but I have a friend that's starting up a business to sell Lynol scale collectable trains. I can give you his web site if you are interested.
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Posted by sdrobert on :
ETRADE BETTER GET ON THE BALL!!!!!!!!!
I AM GOING TO GET THE PRESIDENTS FAX NUMBER AND FIND THE NUMBER TO GET A NASD COMPLAINT SHEET EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS ETRADE SHOULD DO THE SAME IF I GET THE NUMBERS I WILL POST THEM IN HERE.
so wouldnt this help you guys believe there truly is a short. come on think about it
Posted by ed19363 on :
Ameritrade, no additional UCAD shares as of the time of this posting.
Ed
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
Ameritrade knows nothing about a change in UCAD dividend disbursement. Just got this reply:Thank you for contacting us today regarding the spinoff of US Canadian Minerals (UCAD) restricted shares.
CMKM Diamonds shareholders were entitled to a spin-off of US Canadian Minerals (UCAD) shares. The shares distributed were restricted according to the company, meaning that the shares are non-marketable until the restriction is lifted. Ameritrade does not know the terms of the restriction. No symbol or value will show on the client?s position in their account.
The shares were distributed at a rate of 0.00000962:1, or approximately 9.62 shares of UCAD for each 1 million shares of CMKX held on the record date. The record date for the distribution was 8/20/04. Because this is a record date, not an ex-dividend date, the client must have had a settled position by 8/20/04 to be entitled to the spin-off shares. Any shares purchased on or after 8/18/04 did not entitle the purchaser to the spin-off shares.
At this time, our clearing department has received information from the Depository Trust Company (DTC) indicating that fractional shares will be dropped, and will not be rounded up.
If you have further concerns or inquiries, please reply to this message.
Sincerely,
Jon Mercer
Apex Reorganization and Safekeeping, Ameritrade
Division of Ameritrade, Inc.
Posted by sdrobert on :
Anyone else heard this new ratio??
I hope no one is posting false info only to dash our hopes yet again!
Posted by sdrobert on :
what is the number to trading direct. I will call them Ill check google and find them
Posted by case on :
So, who is right?
At this rate stated is the rate I had before today!(0.00000962) Now my account is at this rate of .0000192"The shares were distributed at a rate of 0.00000962:1, or approximately 9.62 shares of UCAD for each 1 million shares of CMKX held on the record date. The record date for the distribution was 8/20/04. Because this is a record date, not an"
Posted by tigertony on :
Look if they did change it,which i hope they did for all of you.All of the company's wiil get to it and change it.It won't be a problem.Good LuckThanks Wallace
Posted by case on :
You can contact us via...
Email info@tradingdirect.com
Phone 1-800-925-8566 Toll Free
212-766-0241 Telephone
Fax 212-766-0914 Fax
Mail Trading Direct
160 Broadway, East Building, 7th Floor
New York, NY 10038
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by case:
So, who is right?
At this rate stated is the rate I had before today!(0.00000962) Now my account is at this rate of .0000192"The shares were distributed at a rate of 0.00000962:1, or approximately 9.62 shares of UCAD for each 1 million shares of CMKX held on the record date. The record date for the distribution was 8/20/04. Because this is a record date, not an"
I wonder if they double posted your account.
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Posted by case on :
Gatorman:
I doubt it, because this person on another board with Trading Direct got the same response as my self.
"I wonder if they double posted your account.------------------
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Posted by RaiderJR on :
Why would they claim to have a letter from the clearing house if it was a double posting?
Posted by case on :
Here is the post from another board.
jjdiamond
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New distribution rate for UCAD dividend
« Thread started on: Today at 1:03pm »
Has anyone else heard there is a new distrubution rate for our UCAD dividend? Trading direct said they received a letter from US Clearing and the new rate is .0000192. My accout also reflects this.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Someone got mail back from their broker who said the clearing house made the mistake and the shares will be adjusted back to the original amount.
Posted by case on :
sdrobert
Did you call them yet?
I'll have to get off the computer if I call.
And I kind of like the way it looks!!
Email info@tradingdirect.com
Phone 1-800-925-8566 Toll Free
212-766-0241 Telephone
Fax 212-766-0914 Fax
Mail Trading Direct
160 Broadway, East Building, 7th Floor
New York, NY 10038
"sdrobert
Member posted October 15, 2004 17:52 what is the number to trading direct. I will call them Ill check google and find them"
Posted by case on :
FIGURES, Recked my day!!!!RaiderJR
Member posted October 15, 2004 18:12 Someone got mail back from their broker who said the clearing house made the mistake and the shares will be adjusted back to the original amount.
Posted by case on :
And I just redid my book work
May be they will forget to change mine back!!!
Posted by case on :
Or hope fully their broker is wrong
and not clearing corp. Why would clearing house do that if they didn't get that info?
I mean they already gave me the other rate that wasn't as many!!!"RaiderJR
Member posted October 15, 2004 18:12 Someone got mail back from their broker who said the clearing house made the mistake and the shares will be adjusted back to the original amount."
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I think the clearing house over corrected something.Don't let it ruin your weekend. We still have Monday and the next Monday and the next.
Maybe that is why UCAD slipped after hours, they thought the news meant dilution or something.
Posted by case on :
Where did you guys go!!!
Are youu all calling THEM???
Posted by case on :
RaiderJR:
That could be the reason!
I just hope Clearing corp is
right, but it won't reck my week end.
But if clearing corp is wrong. Then I'm sorry for getting you guys excited!!!![This message has been edited by case (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by case on :
I had to join another board to find this post!
Sorry for getting you guys excited. I'm going to go hide in shame!!!"From : trading direct <info@tradingdirect.com>
Sent : Friday, October 15, 2004 2:43 PM
To :
Subject : Re: Account IssuesIn this case, US Clearing over corrected, and will adjust the entries over the weekend.
Thank you,
Trading Direct
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P.S. Incidentally, for Etrade users, those who reported receiving double shares as well were apparently misreading their figures, as Etrade's means of displaying the dividend shares was confusing to some. FWIW, I use Etrade, and my number of shares is the same, at the original ratio of .00000962."_________________
David
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
GatorManWhat scale trains you deal with? I'm not into it but I have a friend that's starting up a business to sell Lynol scale collectable trains. I can give you his web site if you are interested.
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Hope your friend checked out the market very, very carefully. Word is the market is down and expected to go down much more. This is world's largest convention and still going on as of now.
I collect Lionel, Ives, American Flyer and Marx + others - standard, "0" gauge and "S" gauge, pre-war and post war. Don't care if they work, since use parts and good at repairing engines.
Thanks for the info and please do send me your friend's address. Maybe the various reports I got at the convention will be of help to him.
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Posted by RaiderJR on :
many saying a pr tonight. Rumors include1. 20 bill os
2. Debeers buying some claims for 2 billion
3. fully reporting
4. drill results
Why would they announce tonight when they are airing the uc interview monday?
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Damn.. these crazie rumours are back..
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
many saying a pr tonight. Rumors include1. 20 bill os
2. Debeers buying some claims for 2 billion
3. fully reporting
4. drill results
Why would they announce tonight when they are airing the uc interview monday?
Posted by sdrobert on :
The reason why they would post a pr before the interview whether it be tonight saturday or sunday is because I dont think they are aloud to anounce certain information before the info is made public to all. I think it would fall under some sort of illegal insider information. martha stewart kind of thing. I might be wrong who knows. Honestly my guess is there wont be anything to groundbreaking. Probably just a interview talking about what the company is currently up to and what endevours they are setting out to do. At least I think thats what a normal company would do. I doubt the interview will say we have 700 billion shares shorted so you will recieve a cash divy 2 dollars a share. Expect something a bit more on the normal side usefull company information not crazy crap.
Posted by sdrobert on :
debeers paying 2 billion hmmmm if all that money went to shares that would make pps. possible .0025?? hmm that does not sound like a dime to me grrrr
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Now we have Martha Stewart as a CMKX'r. She's probably gettin her fellow inmates to sell some cigarettes and buy CMKX.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
.0025 with a 20 bill os and a ten mile wide pipe with diamonds might make it hit a dime.
I must be tired.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
With Debeers negative results today, maybe they are in the mood to buy and explore some new pipes?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Wouldn't pay any attention to the recent rumors, etc. None make sense at all.
Posted by will on :
Well, I was gone most of the late afternoon and early evening, thankfully. I missed seeing my UCAD double, I missed seeing O/S slashed in half. Kind of disappointing. However, it will be more fodder for the geniuses to post new and exciting theories. By the way, the same one's who admitted to a 390B O/S, will now again deny the 780B O/S. LOL..they would have been pleased with an astronomical 390B, but will steadfastly deny 780B now.
As far as the rest of rumors are concerned, I ain't biting. I'll believe it when I see it in my account, or I can sell for .0006+. Until then, just BS.
Posted by will on :
.and you, my friend, next time you decide to wander the country for "most of the week", be nice if you let someone know.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Wouldn't pay any attention to the recent rumors, etc. None make sense at all.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Sorry, Will. Didn't want to give all the pumpers an opportunity to think it was time to raid my thread again. LOL Just noticed 1 of the fanatical ct crowd.CORRECTION: "your thread" LOL
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
The thread belongs to everyone. I don't mind telling you, as much as it makes me cringe to read some of their over-the-top, rediculous stuff, I miss the "faithful." It's difficult arguing with like minded people.
They'll be back, especially if they have platters of hot crow to serve. Bet you they were on their way here when that 390B O/S was floating around.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Sorry, Will. Didn't want to give all the pumpers an opportunity to think it was time to raid my thread again. LOL Just noticed 1 of the fanatical ct crowd.CORRECTION: "your thread" LOL
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 15, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I cannot see any way they could have "hot crow" to serve. The closest is the companies CMKX has been involved with, and none of that adds up as to why they may have had pps increases...especially in view of their eps.Cannot figure out what UCAD is doing. Split doesn't make sense except that it reduces the pps to entice more buyers of it's stock for some reason. Maybe they are planning a major increase in authorized as did CMKX and dumping...just don't know. The one thing I do know is that Dhonau is involved and his past record does not appear to be 100% untainted.
Posted by GHOST on :
Wallace:
Why don't you go do some DD on these rumors.
I'd like to read some real DD on
YOUR THREAD!!!!!
"Sorry, Will. Didn't want to give all the pumpers an opportunity to think it was time to raid my thread again. LOL Just noticed 1 of the fanatical ct crowd."CORRECTION: "your thread" LOL
Posted by BB on :
My CMKX shares are in certificates - so I called Ameritrade at the end of last week to find out how I'd get my UCAD dividend shares. They said to call CMKX and find out how they would get them to me. I called and Vicky from St. George Metals was on the recording. So I left a message and we played phone tag until Tuesday. She said Ameritrade gave me the wrong number. She was the IR person for the SGGM. She gave me CMKX's # and said to talk with Melvin (I wonder how many calls he gets a day). We were talking about CMKX and I asked her if she had any shares. She said she has for about 3 years. I asked her how many shares she had by throwing out a few figures and she said it was a lot more than 50 million. Tuesday I left a message on Melvin's answering machine. Still haven't heard from him. I was just wondering if I'll ever see my dividend shares. Should I be holding my breath??? Vicky told me if I don't hear from Melvin to call her back. I'll give her a call at the beginning of next week and see what she can do. She was very nice talking to. I was wondering if anyone has this problem or knows anything about this type of situation. Thanks.BB
Posted by will on :
"untainted past"
That isn't news in this company. I would hope that most that bought, even under the theory of a lottery ticket, knew going in that folks involved in the managemnet of CMKX had questionable pasts. Dhonau could be tainted or sqeeky clean, the questions were there long before we saw or knew his name.
One of the MAIN reasons the faithful say they believe, and are still accumulating is that the holy, ethical, and highly regarded, R Glenn threw in with these folks. Their arguement is that his presence their proves this is an honest and forthright company. Mine is he's there to clean up a mess, and keep them btween the white lines. In other words, to give them respectability, and keep them from getting in trouble. Damage control as opposed to adding integrity. I guess one could argue that is integrity, at least a second hand type of it.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
I cannot see any way they could have "hot crow" to serve. The closest is the companies CMKX has been involved with, and none of that adds up as to why they may have had pps increases...especially in view of their eps.Cannot figure out what UCAD is doing. Split doesn't make sense except that it reduces the pps to entice more buyers of it's stock for some reason. Maybe they are planning a major increase in authorized as did CMKX and dumping...just don't know. The one thing I do know is that Dhonau is involved and his past record does not appear to be 100% untainted.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
BB,You might contact CMKX's transfer agent re your shs. if you don't hear from Melvin. Maybe they have an answer since you are a holder of record on their books.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
there are no pumpers, noah has departed.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=UCAD&duration=2-6-8-0-0-59
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=GEMM&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56This chit is crackin' me up.
Both hadn't had volume anyhing like this before.
Right around the divvy day.What a coincidence
I think a blind man could see why the pps is going up Wally.
Barchart.com likes 'em both too.
I'm gone,got friends over to shoot some pool.[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will wrote:In other words, to give them respectability, and keep them from getting in trouble. Damage control as opposed to adding integrity.
------------------------------------Will, would not surprise me if maybe they were already in trouble and they brought Glenn in to cover in some way...such as increasing the authorized.
---------------------------------------RJR,
No pumpers, huh? LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ghost wrote:Wallace:
Why don't you go do some DD on these rumors.
------------------------------------------Please tell me how you would go about doing DD on a rumor? Specify the various sources to access to prove or disprove a rumor.
Sounds like the same DD CMKX people did on CMKX.
Must go now. Tired from recent trip. GLTA
Posted by tradingpennys on :
Wallace,
Good to see you back, was wondering what the heck happened to you.
Tina
Posted by Trader O on :
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/041016/165007_1.htmlPress Release
Source: CMKM Diamonds, Inc.CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Purchase/Dividend of Juina Mining Shares
Saturday October 16, 3:19 am ETLAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 16, 2004--CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News), announced today that it has exercised its option to purchase an additional 127,336,036 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets:GEMM - News) for $500,000 USD. The Company has elected to purchase these shares to issue as a dividend to all CMKX shareholders as of the October 29,2004 record date .The distribution date for this latest dividend is set for November 30, 2004.
Further updates will be made in press releases and on both companies' websites.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements, other than the statements of historical facts, may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the Company's products and services, the availability to the Company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the Company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the Company to manage its operations.
Further developments and other information on the company may be viewed at our website, http://www.casavantmining.com.
Contact:
CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755
ipr@sasktel.net
Posted by GHOST on :
Wallace:
You tell me.
Its
YOUR THREAD!!
I figured you would of been the
one to post the newest news!
Just post your email on the board
and when some one is interested
in some thing about the CMKX
we can email ya and
you can go do all the research.
and post it.
I'll tell you what I want to
see right now for Monday, so on
Monday you can have at the research
done and post it on
YOUR THREAD!
I want to see on your thread for Monday
is the complete interview typed out and
on your board. Alot of people might not
have a new enough system to get to listen to
it. I know some one already posted this on
your thread and I hope you will forgive me for posting it again!!CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Purchase/Dividend of Juina Mining Shares
via COMTEXOctober 16, 2004
LAS VEGAS, Oct 16, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX), announced today that it has exercised its option to purchase an additional 127,336,036 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets:GEMM) for $500,000 USD. The Company has elected to purchase these shares to issue as a dividend to all CMKX shareholders as of the October 29,2004 record date .The distribution date for this latest dividend is set for November 30, 2004.
Further updates will be made in press releases and on both companies' websites.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements, other than the statements of historical facts, may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the Company's products and services, the availability to the Company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the Company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the Company to manage its operations.
Further developments and other information on the company may be viewed at our website, http://www.casavantmining.com.
SOURCE: CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755 ipr@sasktel.net
Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved.
[This message has been edited by GHOST (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Somebody tell me why they arent using this money to drill for diamonds...this is starting to smell bad....
Ed
Posted by RaiderJR on :
They don't need the money?:"
They used our .0001 pps to purchase Junia gold mine, now they are rewarding us. They will get much more back in future mining there.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I also think this 15 million dollar divvy shows that this is pocket change to the deep pockets behind us.It should give us confidence.
1. They have some money now.
2. They want to reward us.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Somebody tell me why they arent using this money to drill for diamonds...this is starting to smell bad....
EdHappy Saturday, everyone. More free stock? Sure, I'll take it.
I'd like to throw out a completely obvious statement. This thread consists of some who believe there is a UC "master plan", and some who do not. Deep, huh? My point is, IF there WAS a master plan, I would think the plan would have to be executed in full BEFORE any serious drilling was done. It doesn't matter how long it takes, but you wouldn't start a race before your car is completely ready.
You've all heard the one about a young bull and an old bull, standing on a hill, looking down into a field of young heifers. The young bull says, "Let's run down there and make love to one of them." The old bull calmly counters with, "Let's WALK down, and make love to them ALL." Patience is key.
I wouldn't expect them to be drilling if they had yet to complete any "master plan."
More food for thought:
I own a small amount of PRRM. It was in the mortgage business. Then one day they sold the biz to NHGP, and gave me shares of NHGP. Now PRRM is in the T.V. station biz. One day I owned a mortgage biz, the next, I owned a T.V. station AND a mortgage biz.
I wonder if one day we will own stock in UCAD, GEMM, CIM, etc., AND own stock in CMKX, which has become strictly a RACING business.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
How many shares of Gemm total do we get now?Some on the 15th and some on the 30th.
Do we have to hold til divvy date to receive them?
Posted by RaiderJR on :
The announcement yesturday that the ecuadoran govt had allowed Junia to mine is what cleared the way. Remember UC in a past PR said the Junia divvy was put off til this relationship was made clearer.
Posted by bill1352 on :
well more gemm, good that one might be ok when they get to the diamonds down in south america. as for any master plan, it would seem that without finding a place to move from drilling holes to bunk sampling it would be a junior plan not master. a master plan would include making some money i'd bet 5 buffalo nickels the o/s will not change or be explained till after the second gemm dividend not even why the CIM works out to 1.6 trillion and then goes back too 779 billion for gemm
Posted by will on :
Don't know if I figured it correctly, because my calculator can't eat that 780B number. Dropping the last four digits in both numbers, (127336036, and 780,000,000,000, working with 12,733 divided by 7,800,000), I figure the dividend to be .0001632 GEMM forever 1 share of CMKX, or 163.2 shares per million, or @ the current price of .122, $19.91 per million CMKX.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Will the divvy create a short squeeze or a dilution effect.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Will, that is the second divvy right? How much when you add both?
Posted by ed19363 on :
I concur...my calculations come out the same plus or minus a share or two.
Edquote:
Originally posted by will:
Don't know if I figured it correctly, because my calculator can't eat that 780B number. Dropping the last four digits in both numbers, (127336036, and 780,000,000,000, working with 12,733 divided by 7,800,000), I figure the dividend to be .0001632 GEMM forever 1 share of CMKX, or 163.2 shares per million, or @ the current price of .122, $19.91 per million CMKX.
Posted by will on :
Heres the amount of shares for the first dividend: 95,502,027. Lets do the same thing we did for the last calculation, drop the last four digits of each number. 9,550 divide by 78,000,000, or .00012 per share of CMKX, or 122.4 per million CMKX, @ current price .122 = $14.93 per million shares of CMKX.$19.91 + $14.93 =$34.84 per million shares of CMKX for both GEMM dividends.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Will, that is the second divvy right? How much when you add both?[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i figure that what is happening here with CMKX and the dividends is that they are buying inflated priced shares, and giving them to share holders as restricted shares. in doing so they are liquidating the cash that we gave them. convincing us to hold the shares by giving us the shares. that once they are unrestricted they wont be worth anything.legal form of taking our money and giving us something for our money. the problem is that they will devaluate quicker then a used car in a bowl of salt. thus the perfect scam. somehow behind the scenes Casavant will pull a generous salery form these companies and we are left with nothing to show but a bunch of useless stocks.
if they where to throw the same amount of money at drilling and exploration on the land that we already have the rights to, then they might actually make money. Somethign is wrong with the whole idea of this company. why spend money when we are not making money?
think about it.
if my theory is right this is one brilliant scam. way to go Casavant.
Posted by will on :
I don't think the GEMM dividend is restricted. The others are, true. Better that they were bought outright as opposed to exchanging claims for them.
It appears they bought these shares at about .04 ea.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
whats the point in the buy. they buy all these shares and give them to us. what value does this give the company?they are not gaining any more of the company that way they just bought them and gave them away basically. Ill take them but i dont see any economical advantage to this move other then to convince share holders to hold thier shares.
please someone explain to me how this is a good move and economically responsible of the company to do this.
as well not how many dividends are we suppose to be seeing? this seems like the 4th one i have heard of but i have only seen one show up in my account.
Please enlighten me on this.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
I don't think the GEMM dividend is restricted. The others are, true. Better that they were bought outright as opposed to exchanging claims for them.
It appears they bought these shares at about .04 ea.
[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
What I find funny is the time of the PR, Saturday October 16, 3:19 am ET. I know it isn't any big deal, but I just wonder if these guys finish a bottle of cognac. and say, "Hey let's put out a PR" Just a weird time to release a PR.
Posted by Doctoall on :
300 Am is about the time they left the High Roller Black Jack Table in LV. Maybe he won the shares at the table. In any case I am still in and holding. As it has been said "never invest more than you can afford to loose". And hell you never know what will happen with the Casavant Gang!!!------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
whats the point in the buy. they buy all these shares and give them to us. what value does this give the company?That brings us back to bill's post that questions whether the 300B increase was just so CMKX could get divies on all that, and then retire them later:
bill1352
Member posted October 14, 2004 05:37
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well we do know that the ucad dividend was split up into 779 billion shares thus the o/s is the same as the split would be differant if it was for the 800 billion a/s but i will give those that think the o/s or float is less. the more i think about it why wouldn't UC want to keep part of ucad in cmkx, why give the whole thing to us shareholders. ucad is becoming at strong company and cmkx could use something positive on it's books. as the a/s was increased so fast before the own by date and once the dividend was paid to those shares they could be retired and thus the true float not be 779 billion but back to the 483 billion before the a/s increase.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
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Press Release Source: Diagem International Resource Corp.
Diagem Recovers 0.50 Carat Diamond From Testing Of SL-01 Kimberlite Pipe
Friday October 15, 10:32 am ET
VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA--(CCNMatthews - Oct. 15, 2004) - Diagem INTERNATIONAL RESOURCE CORP.(TSXV
This preliminary test achieved its objective, determining that this kimberlite pipe is: 1) diamondiferous, and 2) contains diamonds of a commercial size. The results are as follows:---------------------------------------------------------------------
SAMPLE VOLUME PROCESSED STONES CARATS GRADE
(M3) RECOVERED RECOVERED (CT/M3)
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PBT 01/370
(Eluvial) 31.5 4 0.78 0.025
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PBT 02/370
(Kimberlite) 29.3 1 0.50 0.017
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The two test samples were extracted using a hydraulic excavator and processed in the Company's jig bulk testing equipment; final diamond sorting was conducted in the field using closely supervised panning techniques. The "Eluvial" sample, taken from atop of the kimberlite consisted of soil, rich in ilmenite and garnets containing four diamonds weighing 0.27, 0.22, 0.15 and 0.14 carats. Further delineation and testing of the SL-01 kimberlite pipe is planned.Diagem signs joint venture agreement with major landowner/diamond miner.
Diagem is pleased to announce that it has entered into an agreement to explore and exploit diamondiferous deposits in joint venture with Mr. Hermes Bergamin, one of the largest landowners in the Juina Diamondiferous Kimberlite and Gravel Province, Mato Grosso State, Brazil.
Mr. Bergamin is well known in the region as a most effective operator who has exploited the diamondiferous gravels of this region in the past. Mr. Bergamin's farmlands mostly cover part of the Company's mineral right, Property 108, which lies at the centre of the Company's property holdings.
The joint venture will share costs and revenues equally; with diamonds produced being jointly controlled by the use of the Company's diamond recovery plant, which incorporates an X-ray Sortex machine. This project will initially commence on a 30-hectare parcel of land with provisions for expansion.
This agreement is yet another example of the accelerated growth in production opportunities now available to the Company in the wake of the Kimberley Process (see Press release March 31, 2004). With the collaboration of Diagem, landowners can now regularize previously illegal operations. Similar agreements are being discussed with other landowners, providing substantial opportunities for increased diamond production. These agreements also grant increased access to the landowner's farms for the Company to explore for further Gravel resources and to test and explore for the primary kimberlite source(s) within the vast Juina diamond field.
The technical content of this news release has been approved by Dr. Mousseau Tremblay, of Williamstown, Ontario, a Qualified Person, President, CEO and Director of Diagem International Resource Corp.
For and on behalf of
Diagem International Resource Corp.
"Mousseau Tremblay"
President & CEO
Posted by ed19363 on :
Methinks if CMKX ever becomes a reporting company and all these questions are answered, this thread will explode. There wont be anything to talk about (LOL).
Posted by RaiderJR on :
PSThe Gemm divvy is not restricted. All this negative stuff is bogus.
Posted by will on :
That begs the question, what negative stuff?
The only thing I saw was penny trader, questioning the stragedy of buying shares, and giving them as dividends as opposed to spending money on exploration. That isn't negative, it is a legimate question for him.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
PSThe Gemm divvy is not restricted. All this negative stuff is bogus.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Negative if it assumes the company is scamming shareholders which it did.Also the 3am casino bit, the 3am is midnight in UC's timezone. What you do is file it with business wire or whatever service and tell them to post it at this time if possible.
I just have to laugh, everytime good news comes someone has to spin it negative, which might keep the price down so I can buy some more.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Here is one persons take, 15.5 million in stock for 500K.
CMKX/GEMM: 127 M shares of GEMM purchased at .0039/share. GEMM currently trades at .122/share.I ask all of my fellow longs: where else could we get a better deal on a company that already has gold and has an established source of those sparkling things?
Posted by will on :
The 3 AM was not negative. It was a humorous observation. I haven't seen any other company PR at these seeemingly strange hours, 10PM on a Saturday I recall one being, now 3 AM on a Friday.
Jesus Christ, if you can't take a little humor, I don't know what to tell you.
You see negatives in everything that doesn't agree totally with your thoughts. Lighten up.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Negative if it assumes the company is scamming shareholders which it did.Also the 3am casino bit, the 3am is midnight in UC's timezone. What you do is file it with business wire or whatever service and tell them to post it at this time if possible.
I just have to laugh, everytime good news comes someone has to spin it negative, which might keep the price down so I can buy some more.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
this still doesn't answer my question.if they wanted a piece of the action why not just buy the shares they want instead of going to all the trouble of raising the shares by 300 billion, causing a pile of animosity in the investors about the increase, distribute the dividend and then retiring the 300 billion. i don't buy that reasoning. my feeling is they are not going to retire anything but out money.
i feel that the 60 million dollars raised buy selling the 300 billion shares at an average price of .0002 is being funneled out of the company by buying all these shares and that Casavant is getting a kickback in the form of a salary from these other companies. selling us out by giving us dividends is his way of keeping you buying shares sending him more money.
the shares that we have will eventually be unrestricted and i will bet my left nut that they will be valueless.
I don't care at this point as i only have 2 million shares of which i have free. i have made my profit on this stock and only hold on to these shares in the very very very slim chance that this is not a scam.
ya i can afford to loose my money on this one. but i know for a fact that those that have thousands and thousands of dollars invested in this will be sitting on the edge of their seats for years to coming hoping for a train to come in holding their money. the problem is that that train doesn't exist.I hope to god i am dead wrong for those in that situation, but i don't see where this thing is going to fly. I will probably win the lottery before this thing makes us any money.
IMHO
quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
That brings us back to bill's post that questions whether the 300B increase was just so CMKX could get divies on all that, and then retire them later:bill1352
Member posted October 14, 2004 05:37
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
its not negativity that im trying to bring im interested in see how this is good news.Dividends are paid on a normal stock when a company is proffitable. CMKX deos not have any form of income outside of dilution.
i fail to see the viability in this theroy of paying dividends with no income.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
PSThe Gemm divvy is not restricted. All this negative stuff is bogus.
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
I agreed with that. Currently trading at .122, and I said they paid about .04 per share. It's a good deal, but don't get carried away, it's $19.91 per million shares you own. If you bought 10M shares at .0001, thats $1,000, the dividend equals $199.91 for every 10M. You made 19.91% of your investment back, and still hold your CMKX at .0002. How can anyone say that is bad for the shareholder? penny just question the wisdom of giving it away as opposed to keeping it on the company books strengthing the company assets.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Here is one persons take, 15.5 million in stock for 500K.
CMKX/GEMM: 127 M shares of GEMM purchased at .0039/share. GEMM currently trades at .122/share.I ask all of my fellow longs: where else could we get a better deal on a company that already has gold and has an established source of those sparkling things?
[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
further on this show me another company that pays dividends with no revenue. where is the money coming from? its through dilution. it is the only way.[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
exactly willnow if someone can give me a good answer to support this i would be very greatful.
giving away money that they get from dilutioin is not making sence to me
quote:
Originally posted by will:
I agreed with that. Currently trading at .122, and I said they paid about .04 per share. It's a good deal, but don't get carried away, it's $19.91 per million shares you own. If you bought 10M shares at .0001, thats $1,000, the dividend equals $199.91 for every 10M. You made 19.91% of your investment back, and still hold your CMKX at .0002. How can anyone say that is bad for the shareholder? penny just question the wisdom of giving it away as opposed to keeping it on the company books strenthing the company assets.
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
Dilution is not a good way to make your income. I have no problem with dilution once they have found diamonds and now need to build the mine. but to throw away money like this makes no sense. when and if they ever find diamonds we are not going to be able to build the mine. how much more are they going to be able to raise the A/S count and still be a viable stock. they are over extended in my mind. you don't build a mine with out money. The only way they will be able to do it in my eyes is to do one mother of a large Reverse split, and re dilute the stockI see us in a no win situation on this stock. why cant anyone answer my previous question?
I'm not sure there is a good answer to it.
IMHO
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
further on this show me another company that pays dividends with no revenue. where is the money coming from? its through dilution. it is the only way.[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Hope your friend checked out the market very, very carefully. Word is the market is down and expected to go down much more. This is world's largest convention and still going on as of now.I collect Lionel, Ives, American Flyer and Marx + others - standard, "0" gauge and "S" gauge, pre-war and post war. Don't care if they work, since use parts and good at repairing engines.
Thanks for the info and please do send me your friend's address. Maybe the various reports I got at the convention will be of help to him.
My friend is pretty thorough and very conservative so I'm sure he checked things out and beleives there is a market. Here is his web site: www. smrtrains. com. The www. trains. com forum also has a thread regarding his product.
Sorry for the off topic. I now return you to the normal CMKX postings.
------------------
~,-,-< GatorMan[This message has been edited by GatorMan (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
GatorMan, thank you. Your off topic was a nice little respite from the polarization here.
One labeling a scam, another looking to buy more. I don't think it's a scam, I don't totally agree with the wisdom of giving the dividend when you look at it from penny's logic, but I sure wouldn't buy more or advise anyone else to either.
I was once was accused of finding negatives here that weren't here, but when someone capitalizing on a humurous remark regarding the time of a PR to point to a negative remark, now that's really stretching accusations of negativetism.
Posted by glfpimp on :
Why is UCAD down so much after hours?????
Posted by will on :
What goes up must come down. It had a huge run a couple days ago, almost hit $19, maybe a little gap filling, retracement, not unusual.
quote:
Originally posted by glfpimp:
Why is UCAD down so much after hours?????
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
Common guys someone in here must be able to answer my question. everyone is quick to shoot me down as bringing negative to the board but no one will answer a question that would bring clearity to many im sure.can anyone answer my question?
Dividends are paid on a normal stock when a company is proffitable. CMKX does not have any form of income outside of dilution.
i fail to see the viability in this theroy of paying dividends with no income.
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by TradingWizard on :
I cannot believe this, you guys been waiting for PR and you missed. lol ok may be this is not the oneSat 16/10/2004 3:25 AM
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Purchase/Dividend of Juina Mining Shares
via COMTEXOctober 16, 2004
LAS VEGAS, Oct 16, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) --CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX), announced today that it has exercised its option to purchase an additional 127,336,036 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets:GEMM) for $500,000 USD. The Company has elected to purchase these shares to issue as a dividend to all CMKX shareholders as of the October 29,2004 record date .The distribution date for this latest dividend is set for November 30, 2004.
Further updates will be made in press releases and on both companies' websites.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements, other than the statements of historical facts, may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the Company's products and services, the availability to the Company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the Company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the Company to manage its operations.
Further developments and other information on the company may be viewed at our website, http://www.casavantmining.com.
SOURCE: CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755 ipr@sasktel.net
Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved.
[This message has been edited by TradingWizard (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
we seen this already there has been discussion already on why it came out at 3 am. and mention that they won the shares at a poker game.it was not stated as fact but as humor.
quote:
Originally posted by TradingWizard:
I cannot believe this, you guys been waiting for PR and you missed. lolSat 16/10/2004 3:25 AM
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Purchase/Dividend of Juina Mining Shares
via COMTEXOctober 16, 2004
LAS VEGAS, Oct 16, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) --CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX), announced today that it has exercised its option to purchase an additional 127,336,036 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets:GEMM) for $500,000 USD. The Company has elected to purchase these shares to issue as a dividend to all CMKX shareholders as of the October 29,2004 record date .The distribution date for this latest dividend is set for November 30, 2004.
Further updates will be made in press releases and on both companies' websites.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements, other than the statements of historical facts, may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the Company's products and services, the availability to the Company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the Company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the Company to manage its operations.
Further developments and other information on the company may be viewed at our website, http://www.casavantmining.com.
SOURCE: CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755 ipr@sasktel.net
Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved.
Posted by TradingWizard on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
we seen this already there has been discussion already on why it came out at 3 am. and mention that they won the shares at a poker game.it was not stated as fact but as humor.
And for second I thought I am going to have some fun, I guess not. Good day.
Posted by GHOST on :
Penny Stock:
I can't stay on very long, but how
do you know whether or not you
know whats going on behind the seens
that they just didn't let out yet?"legal form of taking our money and giving us something for our money. the problem is that they will devaluate quicker then a used car in a bowl of salt. thus the perfect scam. somehow behind the scenes Casavant will pull a generous salery form these companies and we are left with nothing to show but a bunch of useless stocks."
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
im not trying to keep you from having funlol sorry if i ruined it for you though.
lol
I am trying to find out how this is a good ting for us and have posed the qustion several times in here today with no answer.
please feel free to aproach this if you can explain this to me. my questions started on the bottom of the previous page.
quote:
Originally posted by TradingWizard:
And for second I thought I am going to have some fun, I guess not. Good day.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
please note that i said that it was my opinion not fact.can you prove otherwise?
or is it just your opinion? if so i can question you as well on it right?
quote:
Originally posted by GHOST:
Penny Stock:
I can't stay on very long, but how
do you know whether or not you
know whats going on behind the seens
that they just didn't let out yet?"legal form of taking our money and giving us something for our money. the problem is that they will devaluate quicker then a used car in a bowl of salt. thus the perfect scam. somehow behind the scenes Casavant will pull a generous salery form these companies and we are left with nothing to show but a bunch of useless stocks."
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by GHOST on :
Penny Trader
Heck No:
I sure wish
I did!
But just because they
didn't give us their master
plan doesn't mean there isn't
one!
Don't get me wrong, I'm up in the
air on this my self, but you never know!
Posted by will on :
Hey, TradingWizard, you missed us not missing it.
More free shares of GEMM, I'll take it.
However, penny's question is legitimate. There isn't any answer to it, penny. This whole play defies logic. Record date is Oct 31, so does it really hurt to hold another few weeks?
God knows why these people do what they do. I still don't believe there is a "master plan", no one could have planned this mess.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by GHOST on :
Will:
How do you know what
is going on behind what
they let out and didn't let
out?
Any body running a business
has a plan."God knows why these people do what they do. I still don't believe there is a "master plan", no one could have planned this mess."
[This message has been edited by GHOST (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by TradingWizard on :
Penny trader thanks for your replyOh boy, you maybe asking wrong person today since I been kind of watching CMKX on and off and probably there are many things I am not aware of. Here, see if my answer will make any sense. CMKX has no revenue, however, don't they have money from investors, not just shareholders, I am talking about other companies.
On the other hand, I am sure someone may have better answer than me.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i agree that there is a master plan and it involves a shiit load of money. i just cant see where we are in on the reaping of the rewards.Dividends and dilution of shares are at opposite ends of the gamut. Dividends are at the good end and dilution at the bad end.
Dividends are paid when a company is making money. the first thing that stops with a company as soon as they stop making money is the dividend.
Dilution happens at the opposite end of the scale. when a company has no income and needs to generate money it dilutes the stock. this is bad for the stock because it deflates the share price, as the company's worth has to be spread mungs that many more shares.
CMKX just paid a dividend and diluted the stock in the same week.
so my question is: why the hell are we getting the dividend if we have no income and have to dilute to get it, and how does this benefit the company if they are hurting the pps?And what are these dividends really going to cost us in the end?
quote:
Originally posted by GHOST:
Penny Trader
Heck No:
I sure wish
I did!
But just because they
didn't give us their master
plan doesn't mean there isn't
one!
Don't get me wrong, I'm up in the
air on this my self, but you never know![This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by GHOST on :
Penny Trader:
May be they are backward aces.
I'm not even going to pretend
like I know their thoughts!
Tell you the truth. I've never
played one like this in my life!
I just can't imagine how
its going to play out!
I still think there will be great
news by the time of their party.
No one in their right mind would show
up at a party if they just screwed
some one over.
Well you guys take care and don't
bash to much and I will try not to
pump too much. I've get back to
the books.
(In the end we will be either
Posted by TradingWizard on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Hey, TradingWizard, you missed us not missing it.
More free shares of GEMM, I'll take it.
However, penny's question is legitimate. There isn't any answer to it, penny. This whole play defies logic. Record date is Oct 31, so does it really hurt to hold another few weeks?
God knows why these people do what they do. I still don't believe there is a "master plan", no one could have planned this mess.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Yeah you are correct Will, oh well I cannot be right all the time. I don't mind free shares either, just everytime I go to my account and see my 33 shares makes me laugh, what a ratio.
On the other hand, it reminds me quantum physics vs Newtonian physics --- in this case CMKX is like quantum physics, which in theory still works. So I am in this game for a long haul.
By the way, nice talking to you again. Its been a while. I downgraded myself to lurker position, since got other things to do.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
P-T
My guess is that is why it's not in cash divvys.
I believe the divvys are happening for a reason.
I think nobody here has ever seen anything like this.
It's hard to know what to expect when you're talking about the unexpected.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
Dividends are paid on a normal stock when a company is proffitable. CMKX does not have any form of income outside of dilution.i fail to see the viability in this theroy of paying dividends with no income.
]CASH dividends "are paid on a normal stock when a company is proffitable." [sic]
STOCK dividends are paid by a company that may be divesting into other companies to correct an incredibly complex and adverse market situation.
IMO
Posted by will on :
You're right, I don't know. No one else does either. You know why? Because, CMKX is not forthcoming with any news that points to any logical end. Unless, of course, you buy into that DrD/Sterling nonsense.
The fact that you tell me I can't prove there isn't a master plan does not make it certain that there is one. As much as I can't disprove it, you can't prove it either.
Look back a few pages on this thread for Diamond Discoveries International Corp's sample report, or just look at the Diagem's report on their sampling. Recall CMKX's report back in June. You see a difference? The others were much more detailed and complete. The lack of being forthcoming and detailed doesn't make you curious as to why? Now, if they had a monster find, I might agree, but when it turned out to be two micro diamonds, well I see why they weren't forthcoming.
quote:
Originally posted by GHOST:
Will:
How do you know what
is going on behind what
they let out and didn't let
out?
Any body running a business
has a plan."God knows why these people do what they do. I still don't believe there is a "master plan", no one could have planned this mess."
[This message has been edited by GHOST (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by GHOST on :
Will:
I actually agree with you!
Now I have to leave you with
the same thing as above.
Take care and smile money
don't matter after we are gone!!May be they are backward aces.
I'm not even going to pretend
like I know their thoughts!
Tell you the truth. I've never
played one like this in my life!
I just can't imagine how
its going to play out!
I still think there will be great
news by the time of their party.
No one in their right mind would show
up at a party if they just screwed
some one over.
Well you guys take care and don't
bash to much and I will try not to
pump too much. I've get back to
the books.
(In the end we will be either
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
your assuming they will show at the party or even have the party i can see it being canceled unless somethign ral drastic happens between now and then.if they do have the party all they are going to do is blow smoke up your azz and tell you nothing just more carrots hanging all over the place. lets face it if they had anythgin good to tell us it would be out ands on our laps right now.
there is no reason for a party other then to spend more money that the company doesnt have, so they will hav eto dilute again. Dilution is only income for Casavant and company not for us nothing to party about there.
have fun if you go.
quote:
Originally posted by GHOST:
Will:
I actually agree with you!
Now I have to leave you with
the same thing as above.
Take care and smile money
don't matter after we are gone!!May be they are backward aces.
I'm not even going to pretend
like I know their thoughts!
Tell you the truth. I've never
played one like this in my life!
I just can't imagine how
its going to play out!
I still think there will be great
news by the time of their party.
No one in their right mind would show
up at a party if they just screwed
some one over.
Well you guys take care and don't
bash to much and I will try not to
pump too much. I've get back to
the books.
(In the end we will be either
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
whats the point in the buy. they buy all these shares and give them to us. what value does this give the company?they are not gaining any more of the company that way they just bought them and gave them away basically. Ill take them but i dont see any economical advantage to this move other then to convince share holders to hold thier shares.
please someone explain to me how this is a good move and economically responsible of the company to do this.
as well not how many dividends are we suppose to be seeing? this seems like the 4th one i have heard of but i have only seen one show up in my account.
Please enlighten me on this.
If you subscribe to the naked short theory then this is another play to force the MMs to cover or come up with dividend shares.
Another possibility is that there may be other elements to the deal that have not been made public that does benifit the company.
It's also possible that CMKX is hoping this will bring the pps up and they can dump more stock on the market, enough to cover the $500k paid for the GEMM shares.
I doubt any of us know what's really going on, but these are just a few possibilities.
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~,-,-< GatorMan
Posted by ed19363 on :
You guys must enjoy beating dead horses. None of your questions are going to get answered by speculation on a chat board. Everyone should relax and wait for PRs. Guessing just doesnt get it...
Ed
Posted by will on :
"If you subscribe to the naked short theory then this is another play to force the MMs to cover or come up with dividend shares."I don't understand how the UCAD dividend didn't force the accounting of NSS. It was a divivdend paid to O/S with restricted shares. How could it not have forced the covering on 10/6/04?
I need the "squeeze of the century", that didn't happen with UCAD dividend explained to me in forthright plain language. Without any conspiracy theories that include the SEC, DTC, MM's, UCAD and CMKX. There is no way in hell there was a deal struck to cover an astronomical amount of naked shorts between the SEC, DTC, ...and the rest.
After the UCAD dividend the NSS was completely discredited when the PPS of CMKX went down. The evidence of a squeeze is upward pressure on the PPS, the UCAD dividened and accounting of CMKX shares caused the opposite effect on CMKX'x PPS.
Please, let's not stick to something that has been debunked, and proven to be nonexistent.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
CMKM Diamonds Inc, CMKX.pk http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=CMKX&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc, UCAD.ob http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=UCAD&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
Junia Minind Corp, GEMM.pk http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=GEMM&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
El Capitan Precious Metals, ECPN.ob http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=ECPN&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
United Carina Resources, UCA.V http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=UCRUF&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
Saint George Metals, Inc, SGGM.pk http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=SGGM&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
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EXCEPT CMKX, all the other co. charts sure look like there was a run for cover to me.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by penny-trader:
quote:
Common guys someone in here must be able to answer my question. everyone is quick to shoot me down as bringing negative to the board but no one will answer a question that would bring clearity to many im sure.
can anyone answer my question?Dividends are paid on a normal stock when a company is proffitable. CMKX does not have any form of income outside of dilution.
i fail to see the viability in this theroy of paying dividends with no income.
Ammunition against the massive class action lawsuit that occurs when the real CMKX is exposed? It's another way for them to say "we had the shareholders interests at heart" when the exact opposite is the truth.
Posted by Ruh916 on :
The scam is almost complete. UC is days away from making his getaway in the CMKXtreme motorcycle, he's going to hide at the party in vegas, under the punchbowl table, where nobody would expect him to hide.Vicki (SGGM IR/Casasvant familiy member) went to ty's funeral (ty, rb poster, mentioned in green barron release) to fool us all into thinking that they care.
They also got debeers and kensington to release this to make us believe that there are actually diamonds in the area:
"Kensington/De Beers optimistic
At a tour of the Kensington/De Beers Diamond Project in the Fort a la Corne area recently, project executives stated nothing but optimism for further exploration of diamonds in the region.
By Colin McGarrigle of the Journal
Melfort Journal — October 12, 2004 At a tour of the Kensington/De Beers Diamond Project in the Fort a la Corne area recently, project executives stated nothing but optimism for further exploration of diamonds in the region.
The 2004-05 evaluation and exploration program has been given a $7.62 million budget, representing the largest and most aggressive exploration program to date for the project.
"We have found diamonds and we know that there's many more," stated Richard Moleneux, president and CEO of De Beers Canada.
Current exploration has shown a significant deposit of kimberlite in the region, and tests have indicated that the grade of diamonds found range from seven to 16 carets per hundred tonnes.
"This is a new era for Kensington. If everything goes as well as we hope, this could be the largest, low-cost, long-life diamond site in the world," explained Robert McCallum, president of Kensington Resources.
"Kensington shares will definitely be a lot higher than they are today," McCallum stated with optimism.
With the large exploration budget, the goal now is to establish a Task Force to identify new goals and review the strategy for advancement at the diamond project.
Moleneux added that the demand for diamonds had slipped in previous years, but that there seems to be a resurgance in the markets recently.
"It is a hugely complicated process to sell diamonds, but the demand for diamonds is now growing ahead of supply," stated Moleneux.
"And a project like this takes on a new importance for diamonds," he added.
While the group is still in the exploration stage, McCallum stated that they are looking at ways to accelerate the project as quickly as possible.
A feasibility study will be carried out within three to four years, according to McCallum, and if the study gives the go-ahead, he stated that the project could have three to four large open-pit mines within a few years.
Even though it could be several years before any actual mining takes place, McCallum and Moleneux were stating that they would be seeking ways to maximize the local work force in any way possible."lol
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Enough about Divys....Time for a Rumour.....
Rumour going around Prince Albert is all people connected with the drilling of the Carolyn Pipe, to the Lab Techs that examined the samples have been sworn to silence. There gift for this is coming in the form of a huge bonus.Sounds like a reality TV show.
PRRM should produce a show like this...LOL
Posted by will on :
child, isn't the share price of the parent company not the dividened company suppose to rise in a sqeeze? Are you saying this is some type of double naked short squeeze with a duble reverse?
Just give it to me in plain forthright language. The fact that the dividened stock's price rose is NOT evidence of the "squeeze of the century". The UCAD dividened was restricted so it wasn't bought to put in our accounts.
Facts are facts, and NO ONE has explained the absence of this squeeze phenomena. the major proponents used the excuse of excessive bashing here to escape accountability of the failed squeeze. the best they could do is try to convince you that UCAD was bought to cover the dividend, false, they were restricted shares. They offered a deal between regulatory agencies, SEC, DTC, and CMKX, UCAD, and MM's, nonsense, didn't/couldn't happen. Lastly that it is still to come, impossible the UCAD dividend answered the NSS theory. It didn't ocurr.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
CMKM Diamonds Inc, CMKX.pk http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=CMKX&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc, UCAD.ob http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=UCAD&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
Junia Minind Corp, GEMM.pk http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=GEMM&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
El Capitan Precious Metals, ECPN.ob http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=ECPN&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
United Carina Resources, UCA.V http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=UCRUF&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
Saint George Metals, Inc, SGGM.pk http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/chart.jsp?symbol=SGGM&duration=2-6-8-0-0-56
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EXCEPT CMKX, all the other co. charts sure look like there was a run for cover to me.
Posted by will on :
Well, you see the problem with that is:
All the windbag geniuses, DrD/Sterling types will force bullsh|t in your head, and make you believe the best is yet to come. The reality of the situation makes you right, there's nothing to be said or done. We are at the mercy of ambiguity and specualtion. You don't have to contribute, ever consider we just might like specualting, and arguing our points. It's called entertainment. I'm sure there are other places where only good pie-in-the-sky crap is discussed.
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
You guys must enjoy beating dead horses. None of your questions are going to get answered by speculation on a chat board. Everyone should relax and wait for PRs. Guessing just doesnt get it...
Ed
Posted by Ruh916 on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
..isn't the share price of the parent company not the dividened company suppose to rise in a sqeeze? Are you saying this is some type of double naked short squeeze with a duble reverse?
Just give it to me in plain forthright language. The fact that the dividened stock's price rose is NOT evidence of the "squeeze of the century". The UCAD dividened was restricted so it wasn't bought to put in our accounts.
Facts are facts, and NO ONE has explained the absence of this squeeze phenomena.
CMKX's T/a is 1st global.
Jeff is the guys name who handles cmkx.
I'd like to see you give him a call and ask him all these questions, see if you can get anything out of him. Plenty of pro-cmkx'ers have talked to him but I haven't heard of any anti-cmkx'ites who've talked to him.I dont know what will come of your conversation but it should at least be interesting.
1ST GLOBAL STOCK TRANSFER, LLC 2431 Tech Center Court Suite 106 Las Vegas, NV 89128
Phone: (702) 656-4919 Facsimile: (702) 304-0634
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
child, isn't the share price of the parent company not the dividened company suppose to rise in a sqeeze? Are you saying this is some type of double naked short squeeze with a duble reverse?
Just give it to me in plain forthright language. The fact that the dividened stock's price rose is NOT evidence of the "squeeze of the century". The UCAD dividened was restricted so it wasn't bought to put in our accounts.
Facts are facts, and NO ONE has explained the absence of this squeeze phenomena. the major proponents used the excuse of excessive bashing here to escape accountability of the failed squeeze. the best they could do is try to convince you that UCAD was bought to cover the dividend, false, they were restricted shares. They offered a deal between regulatory agencies, SEC, DTC, and CMKX, UCAD, and MM's, nonsense, didn't/couldn't happen. Lastly that it is still to come, impossible the UCAD dividend answered the NSS theory. It didn't ocurr.
I don't know,that's why I said 'to me'.
Just sure is something how simular to UCAD those charts looked.
Some October surprises I couldn't pull up the charts on was for Kensington Resources, KRT.V
and Shore Gold, SGF.V on Pinksheets.
But somewhere else I saw them they looked the same as well.
So,it's all just a coincidence then?[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
First of all, I am not an antiCMKX'er. I own the stock, and have hopes of it doing well. I am an anti-pie-in-the-sky, bullsh|t theory person. You may believe these wild theories and explanations and touts to purchase more, but I don't. These people are stuck in this for $25,000+, and have seen their investment errode to less than 50% of that $25,000. It is in their best interest to spin this positve. Positive is one thing, but fantastic claims is another. I'm sure you have read all of their theories, including their .51+ buy out offer yet to come. They get lucky and hit one thing that comes to pass, and everyone applauds them as being geniuses, they forget the other 99 predictions that never happened. Those predictions are just lost to time and the archived threads.
Me calling jesus isn't going to change the O/S, or the fact that a squeeze didn't ocurr.
quote:
Originally posted by Ruh420:
CMKX's T/a is 1st global.
Jeff is the guys name who handles cmkx.
I'd like to see you give him a call and ask him all these questions, see if you can get anything out of him. Plenty of pro-cmkx'ers have talked to him but I haven't heard of any anti-cmkx'ites who've talked to him.I dont know what will come of your conversation but it should at least be interesting.
1ST GLOBAL STOCK TRANSFER, LLC 2431 Tech Center Court Suite 106 Las Vegas, NV 89128
Phone: (702) 656-4919 Facsimile: (702) 304-0634
Posted by will on :
child, there is no denying the jv companies are doing well, and there is no question that CMKX isn't, (PPS-wise).
By definition the "squeeze of the century" was to send CMKX flying, not the others, so we could sell to the MM's to cover their naked shorts. It isn't/wasn't defined by us buying the dividend companies to realize our gain.
The proof is that it didn't happen, plain and simple. It can not be justified or said to have happened because affiliate company's price has risen. Again, by definition the price of CMKX should have risen, and it declined, just the opposite. That says to me, NO NSS. Now if you believe that it is still possible please expalin it to me. I shouldn't have to speak to a T/A or jesus to know how it did happen or will still happen. People that are proponents of a this theory should be able to explain it, clearly, plainly, and completely. The price of CMKX did not go up astronomically, so logic forces me to conclude it didn't happen, and the fact that there was an accounting and dividend paid to all O/S CMKX stock, forces me to conclude it doesn't exist.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good afternoon folks!How many of you remember what UCAD said about GEMM in their 10K or 10Q (don't remember which) re Juina? Seems to me they said it was not productive, minor mining by locals, etc. Not a good picture. If I can find it, I will post it.
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someone wrote:those that have thousands and thousands of dollars invested in this will be sitting on the edge of their seats for years to coming hoping for a train to come in holding their money. the problem is that that train doesn't exist.
-----------------------LOL I have a train that will hold every bit of that money!
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penny-trader questioned the dividend from a company without money. Is it possible they are just going to use it as another diversion so as to not release the issued and outstanding? That way, for those that do not buy it, I/O is still an unknown rather than about 780 billion shs.
Ghost, re your question about DDing the rumors, it is an impossible quest with CMKX.
One just has to assume that everything, including their releases, is the equivalent of a rumor or speculation.
Posted by Ruh916 on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
First of all, I am not an antiCMKX'er. I own the stock, and have hopes of it doing well. I am an anti-pie-in-the-sky, bullsh|t theory person. You may believe these wild theories and explanations and touts to purchase more, but I don't. These people are stuck in this for $25,000+, and have seen their investment errode to less than 50% of that $25,000. It is in their best interest to spin this positve. Positive is one thing, but fantastic claims is another. I'm sure you have read all of their theories, including their .51+ buy out offer yet to come. They get lucky and hit one thing that comes to pass, and everyone applauds them as being geniuses, they forget the other 99 predictions that never happened. Those predictions are just lost to time and the archived threads.
Me calling jesus isn't going to change the O/S, or the fact that a squeeze didn't ocurr.
Maybe anti-cmkx'ite was a bad choice, didn't mean to get you on the defense. But I'm not calling anybody a realist cuz it's a frickin pinksheet, it can be a scam just as easily as a legit co, easier even. You know this.
I dont care about these people with $25k in cmkx, they dont confont me, if they spent more then they could afford, that's a real good learning experience lol. I've seen these people on other boards asking if they should take loans, thankfully for them most of the replies are level headed.
I do believe that with your frame of mind, that a conversation with the TA might shed some light.
I'm on the fence about all the theories, we'll know soon enough who was wrong and who was right.
The otc is a billion $ +++ market and where there is money involed there are a lot of shady characters. You can't refute that. So the pinksheets are pretty(very?) shady, seems the mm's have a lot of power and can be just as shady.
Maybe wallace will give him a call if you dont want to... I just want to see what comes of the conversation. I dont even understand it all, dont think anyone can, and I rarely follow the stock messiah posts anymore, but I'm keeping my shares.
Posted by wadeinni on :
With all do respect, to all hardcore CMKX fans and stockholders. Wake up and smell the coffee, ed19363 is right every single on of you must really love to beat dead horses. stop wasting valuable time and space on this board. Stop the speculation and rumors it AIN'T helping the rest of us who are making money here on real profitable pennies. When there's a good pr about CMKX it will come and the stock will move.I'm no hater but this is ridiculous, the other day I banked lovely on KWNS JRVR and EWMD and I mean lovely. There are a few sensable people on this board but they ain't on this thread. We want to make money I cringe everytime I see an addition to this post.
Please make sensable posts like the good Dardadog and some others here. Good bye
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ruh420,I don't much care what JEFF or any MM might say about CMKX. My opinion of any MM is neutral. As far as I am concerned, each is no different from any other businessman in that they are trying to earn money and make a living. Both good and bad probably exist.
Will get back to you folks later.
Posted by Ruh916 on :
the horse has long been turned to dog food and eventually left in a pile on somebody's lawn. lolI think with these story stocks (pinksheet co's, where the outcome is seen as either: HUGE or HUGE FRICKIN SCAM)... they can turn into the 3rd great internet debate IMO.
The other two being religion and politics, where everyone has their point of view and will argue it til death.
imo of course
and I think we all made $ this week, I know will had a double this week, wish I was in on that. I played lenf and nsol a couple times for some $, but missed the doubles on both of em.
Posted by will on :
I have a cure for your cringing. Don't read it. I had EWMD too, so you see it's possible to entertain oneself here, and make some money too.
quote:
Originally posted by wadeinni:
With all do respect, to all hardcore CMKX fans and stockholders. Wake up and smell the coffee, ed19363 is right every single on of you must really love to beat dead horses. stop wasting valuable time and space on this board. Stop the speculation and rumors it AIN'T helping the rest of us who are making money here on real profitable pennies. When there's a good pr about CMKX it will come and the stock will move.I'm no hater but this is ridiculous, the other day I banked lovely on KWNS JRVR and EWMD and I mean lovely. There are a few sensable people on this board but they ain't on this thread. We want to make money I cringe everytime I see an addition to this post.
Please make sensable posts like the good Dardadog and some others here. Good bye
Oh yea! With all due respect.
[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Will, I didn't buy stock in this for a "squeeze".But I didn't buy it to get "cellar boxed" in either.And in the boat I float, divvys and fs'(come on keep 'em commin'),I wouldn't care if this ended up in court.With people like this guy http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/rshapiro122403.htmAlot of info comes up when serch the SEC website with "naked short shares".See... http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/txt-srch-sec?text=naked+short+shares
Posted by Ruh916 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Ruh420,I don't much care what JEFF or any MM might say about CMKX. My opinion of any MM is neutral. As far as I am concerned, each is no different from any other businessman in that they are trying to earn money and make a living. Both good and bad probably exist.
Will get back to you folks later.
Hey Wallace,
Actually talking about a guy by the name of Jeff, he works for 1st global as cmkx's t/a.I've seen posts on boards where he's mentioned ucad divy's and cmxk shares and talked with people about naked shares etc, and I figured a conversation between him and one of you guys might be beneficial to our view of the situation.
Posted by will on :
No one denies naked shorting goes on with stocks. That isn't the question. Don't take the general arguement that shorting exists and apply it to a particular. It happens, and I believe it happens in general on a large scale.
CMKX paid a restricted dividend 10/06/04 of UCAD stock. They were restricted and could not be purchased by MM's and placed in everyone's account. There was no or very little shorting on CMKX because every O/S had to be accounted for and paid. There was no rush to cover because the PPS went from .0002 to .0003, and back to, and holding at .0002, flirting with .0001. By virtue of the proponents definition of a NSS, of a squeeze, keep in mind, their definition, not mine, the price of CMKX should have soared astronomically. I am sure if you reviewed past threads you will find exactly how they explained this meteoric rise in price was to ocurr. Now, by their own definition, an accounting of O/S has come to past without the expected result. What does logic tell them? That UCAD's rise in price was the evidence? That the SEC, DTC, CMKX, UCAD, and MM's made a deal? That the fact that it didn't should be ignored, and it will happen. If it existed should not the UCAD dividend exposed it? Can anyone answer that question?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
so after a whole day no one can tell me how issuing dividends from a company not making money is a good thing.all i got was naked short theories.
so i still have to continue with my feeling that this is not a viable thing for a company to do. it makes no sense other then to trick people into buying more shares. and that is the only thing that makes sense they have 300 billion more shares to sell. so you have to make it look attractive somehow.
lets face it how do you convince people to lock into a stock that you cant buy unless you pay .0003 and will not sell unless you list it for .0001?
you give them shares that are worth 10% of their shares and they can only recoup 50% less their trading cost if they want out.that is a hell of a deal for Casavant. lol
this isn't investing this is entrapment. kinda like sticking you male member in a pickle slicer and hoping for the best!! either way you are guaranteed one thing. your going to come up short. lol
Posted by will on :
Wow penny! Kind of drastic there, man.
I think the naked short theory has been thoroughly proven to be a myth.
Keep in mind there is more than the GEMM dividend attached to CMKX, you have to adjust your 10% upwards. How much, I don't know, and I refuse to calcualte it. LOL!
I said from the end of last month I will give it until the end of October, because some folks that are heavily invested in CMKX really are convinced by then we will be happily surprised and rewarded.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
so after a whole day no one can tell me how issuing dividends from a company not making money is a good thing.
all i got was naked short theories.Did you miss these?
highwaychild
Member posted October 16, 2004 12:59
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P-T
My guess is that is why it's not in cash divvys.
I believe the divvys are happening for a reason.
I think nobody here has ever seen anything like this.
It's hard to know what to expect when you're talking about the unexpected.IP: Logged
WinsumLosesum
Member posted October 16, 2004 13:00
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Originally posted by penny-trader:
Dividends are paid on a normal stock when a company is proffitable. CMKX does not have any form of income outside of dilution.i fail to see the viability in this theroy of paying dividends with no income.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------CASH dividends "are paid on a normal stock when a company is proffitable." [sic]
STOCK dividends are paid by a company that may be divesting into other companies to correct an incredibly complex and adverse market situation.
IMO
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
I'm not overly concerned as i have no money invested the way i see it. I had 5 million shares from .0001 and sold off 3 million at .0008
so i turned 300 dollars into 2400 dollars and kept 2 million shares.i don't mind the free dividends either but i just don't understand why I am getting these from a company that is not making any money. I can see them buying into other companies for the rights to other claims, but i don't understand them giving them away again.
so my 2 million shares will sit in my account and either make me some money years down the road maybe or i will die with them in my account as they will not be worth the commission to sell them.
ill treat them as a lottery ticket. as that is about the chances i see in them making me anymore cash.
thanks for the past gains CMKX you have been my biggest percentage gainer ever.
Rod
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Wow penny! Kind of drastic there, man.
I think the naked short theory has been thoroughly proven to be a myth.
Keep in mind there is more than the GEMM dividend attached to CMKX, you have to adjust your 10% upwards. How much, I don't know, and I refuse to calcualte it. LOL!
I said from the end of last month I will give it until the end of October, because some folks that are heavily invested in CMKX really are convinced by then we will be happily surprised and rewarded.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
yes I seen them but they did not answer my question. they just posed a couple more theories
quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
Did you miss these?highwaychild
Member posted October 16, 2004 12:59
Posted by will on :
"STOCK dividends are paid by a company that may be divesting into other companies to correct an incredibly complex and adverse market situation."What would that market situation be? We know it isn't a NSS. Proven not to exist by virtue of the UCAD restricted dividend.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
yes I seen them but they did not answer my question. they just posed a couple more theories
What did you expect? All we HAVE are theories right now. And theories ARE possible answers, aren't they?
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:What would that market situation be? We know it isn't a NSS. Proven not to exist by virtue of the UCAD restricted dividend.
Is it possible UC said that he would accept UN-restricted shares from the MMs for HIS new 300 billion shares? And THAT's the UCAD that they were buying this past week?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
hey show me an example of another company that places dividends in the hands of the investors when they have no income.then i will consider the theory.
I figure this big lawyer Glen is only there to advise UC on how to get out of his mess with out going to jail.
>THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION<
quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
What did you expect? All we HAVE are theories right now. And theories ARE possible answers, aren't they?
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
yes I seen them but they did not answer my question. they just posed a couple more theories
Are you really expecting one of us to give you a definitive answer? Only Urban and his confidants can give you that. All anyone here can do is offer theories.
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Posted by ed19363 on :
Will, you are right about one thing...this board can be more entertaining than some three-ring circuses I've been to....just so we dont get stepped on by the elephant !!!quote:
Originally posted by will:
Well, you see the problem with that is:
All the windbag geniuses, DrD/Sterling types will force bullsh|t in your head, and make you believe the best is yet to come. The reality of the situation makes you right, there's nothing to be said or done. We are at the mercy of ambiguity and specualtion. You don't have to contribute, ever consider we just might like specualting, and arguing our points. It's called entertainment. I'm sure there are other places where only good pie-in-the-sky crap is discussed.
Posted by will on :
I doubt it very much. See that's the type answer you get when one of these fantastic theories fail. Some type of situation that is remotely possible and not customary. Do you really think companies negotiate with regulatory agencies, and market makers routiniely. This is the only stock in the history of mankind that do all these fantastic negotiations. Things like that happen all the time, right! I'm sorry, it is just too much to ask me to believe.
quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
Is it possible UC said that he would accept UN-restricted shares from the MMs for HIS new 300 billion shares? And THAT's the UCAD that they were buying this past week?
Posted by will on :
What does "get stepped on by the elephant" mean? There is some type of consequence, penalty for expressing an opinion? ed, seriously if it disturbs you to read this thread, then why do it?
What are you telling us? We shouldn't question fantastic claims regarding the future of CMKX? We shouldn't look at this thing from a realist point of view?
I for one believe folks have a responsiblity here, when someone reads one of these fantastic theories, they just might buy into that nonsense, and throw money or more money away. The faithful usually say things like, "and I'm still buying as long as this is on sale". I've seen it said at .0005, .0004, .0003, and .0002. I think to offer a sober real side of this is healthy. I also think asking question, whether they are rhetorical or can be answered, allows peoeple to examine the situation a little more closely before getting in deeper based on hopes pumped by someone covering their collective investment asses.
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Will, you are right about one thing...this board can be more entertaining than some three-ring circuses I've been to....just so we dont get stepped on by the elephant !!!
Posted by ed19363 on :
Never mind, will....no need to get testy...I just hope CMKX pans out.
Posted by will on :
No one is getting testy.
Seems to me we were told :
"You guys must enjoy beating dead horses. None of your questions are going to get answered by speculation on a chat board. Everyone should relax and wait for PRs. Guessing just doesnt get it..."
"Will, you are right about one thing...this board can be more entertaining than some three-ring circuses I've been to....just so we dont get stepped on by the elephant !!!"
After the first quip I offered an explanation that it just might be entertainment for some of us, then you three ring circused me. Think you were being the wiseguy. Why not let people have fun. I didn't appreciate subtly being to told to shut up.
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Never mind, will....no need to get testy...I just hope CMKX pans out.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
we havent gotten testy yet. you where the one that refered to us as a 3 ring circus.
funny how you can make statements like that and then you make a statement like this when asked to explain yourself.I hope to win the lottery to one day but i know that that is not likely to happen.
i also hope that CMKX is going to pan out but i do look at this like a lottery as well and realise that it is quite likely not going to give us a payday.
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Never mind, will....no need to get testy...I just hope CMKX pans out.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
'A diamond in the rough'.The Science Channel has a show on diamonds on right now.Pretty good stuff.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will wrote:I will give it until the end of October
-------------------------------------------Will - Don't you think that new div date gives the pumpers another way to speculate about all the events and facts? I do!!
Cannot imagine what it must be like being stepped on by an elephant. LOL I was charged by an elephant in Africa and almost shiit my pants when it got about 10 feet from our vehicle. Feels like Jurasic Park with Rex chasing you. Couldn't even get my camera in focus to take a picture of that "bull" elephant. Do have one of him before he charged.
Posted by will on :
Wallace, I don't think the new dividend pay date of Nov 30, gives them and extension on their outlandish claims. The reason I site end of October as the deadline, drop dead date, is because of the Vegas blowout. That topogigo guy at the races told me, "you wait, buddy, wait till the end of October, you'll see", and that self proclaimed minister, elcamino, told me, "I can't tell you what they got, but they got"! He was also alluding to the end of October for shareholders to be rewarded. I will say this for him, he indicated that the real value here was in future royalties, generation money, he said. I don't know if that meant enough money for generations to live off of, or it will take genrations to get to my grandson. Also posters that used to post here referenced the rekoning to be by the end of October.
However, you're right the dividend pay date being out another six weeks will allow them to move that holy target again.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will wrote:I will give it until the end of October
Posted by will on :
I missed most of it, child, but thanks. The last part I saw was the guy regretting he didn't buy more shares. LOL! I ain't gonna do it. That was real past tense, this is fictional future tense. Show me the diamonds, and I will apologize for ever doubting these people, till then it is a fiction story.
The science channel will repeat the show probably, I'll look for it again.
I just checked it's on again at 10 PM my time, CDST.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
'A diamond in the rough'.The Science Channel has a show on diamonds on right now.Pretty good stuff.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
[This message has been edited by will (edited October 16, 2004).]
Posted by Highwaychild on :
This is the basis of the documentary "Diamonds in the Rough,"
http://members.fcc.net/krajick/And yea Will,it is on again here in about 15 mins.
Posted by will on :
Gonna watch it child, thanks for highlighting it for us. I bookmarked that page too, I'll read it later.
Maybe I'll get diamond fever if I watch this show.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
This is the basis of the documentary "Diamonds in the Rough,"
http://members.fcc.net/krajick/And yea Will,it is on again here in about 15 mins.
Posted by tigertony on :
Now that was good info.Thanks interesting and good show.I will send a copy to CMKX might help.LOL Good Luck
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
i figure that what is happening here with CMKX and the dividends is that they are buying inflated priced shares, and giving them to share holders as restricted shares. in doing so they are liquidating the cash that we gave them. convincing us to hold the shares by giving us the shares. that once they are unrestricted they wont be worth anything.legal form of taking our money and giving us something for our money. the problem is that they will devaluate quicker then a used car in a bowl of salt. thus the perfect scam. somehow behind the scenes Casavant will pull a generous salery form these companies and we are left with nothing to show but a bunch of useless stocks.
if they where to throw the same amount of money at drilling and exploration on the land that we already have the rights to, then they might actually make money. Somethign is wrong with the whole idea of this company. why spend money when we are not making money?
think about it.
if my theory is right this is one brilliant scam. way to go Casavant.
That would be!! Holy Socks!
Posted by glfpimp on :
Just found out some information, thought I would share it with you guys. Every year, there are about 8-9 billion dollars worth of diamonds recovered....TOTAL-between all companies. So, just think about what these means for CMKX stock-what they would need to do to make this thing extremely valuable.
Posted by shadow on :
Watched a story last night on the Science Channel
regarding Diamond Mining in Canada.It was a very interesting story about a guy name ?fifke? who was racing Debeers to find
a diamondiferous Kimberlite deposit in the
North West Territories in Canada.It showed how he did his research and came to the conclusions he did... and most importantly how he conducted tests...
Eventually he found the mother-load... It
took 15 years to find and get the mine into
production... It is now producing $1M+ a day
in diamonds... and is run by ETAKI, fifke and
his partner are each 10% owners in the mine.The differences I saw in what Fifke was doing and CMKX
is that he was constantly testing samples.
He did not have a lot of money so he created
new methods to sample.This is a guy we should try to contact to
get his thoughts about our area and the 1.4Million acres of claims.He is now worth $100M+ and spending more time
with his family. (according to the documentary.)He did all of his analysis without drilling
a single hole but by surface samples.The other interesting item was in the
early 90's before the big production plant was built they had some magnetic imaging done. There were only 2 anomolies on the
results... A large pipe (which is where they
mined) and a smaller pipe to the south east.If Urban's imaging is correct and there are
300 anomolies in the small area that was surveyed this could be significant.The Etaki mine was estimated at 60 Billion,
producing almost 1/2 Billion a year.
Posted by WWJD-thru-me on :
Hi Everyone, This is from another board. It is Golden's post to the MM's. -DebiThis post is for the Market Maker . . . I come to you as a friend, because hey, lets face it . . . right now you could use one. A friend is a person who helps you see the wise choice in a situation, rather than the hustle that may help you just "get over".
Your in a bit of a situation right now, probably bigger than you thought. Unfortunately . . . up until just recently, you did not understand that something like this could ever happen to you. You have seen this situation a thousand times before and know the ins and out. Youve got backing . . . Major backing, and the big money isnt gonna let anything happen to you. Besides what "pink sheet" company is going to have the time or the resources to even begin to play by the rules of your game . . . Well, you see the answer to that one so we will move on.
Up until now you have been the King of the Hill, Top Dog . . . The Big kid on the Block . . . that is, Up Until Now. ALL PENNIES HAD TO BOW TO YOUR GREATNESS . . . that is UP UNTIL NOW.
CMKX threw you a curve ball and you werent ready for it. You want to swing now, but its a little too late. Its actually been a little too late, its just now you are starting to see that your about to be taken out of the game, so you are worried, maybe even a little desperate.
Your first intincts might be to ralley your cohorts . . . You might think "hey, we can figure this out, weve had tough times before". Well . . . probably not this time.
Believe me when I say that there are A LOT of people that would LOVE to see you be destroyed by your actions, and in all fairness, you would deserve what you recieved. Well, not me. You have one resource left . . . and its a major one. Im trying to help you play your last card accordingly so that your arrogance and ignorance do not bury you completely. I fear self destruction may be the path you would take as destruction is all you know. You treat others based on how you feel about yourself, so you must not know your value enough to save it, so let me help.
The only way to really be free from a wrong is to make it right. Call it karma, God . . .whatever you like. As you give, so shall you recieve . . . you can never escape that rule of the Universe. Believe me, I have tried.
As you face this situation, you may think you will be able to find a way out. However, we can see that your past judgement has not been so good as you are in the situation that you are in now. If your vision was so keen then you would have made better choices sooner. . . you have not.
So . . . here is my suggestion, you can take it or leave it. I have no real preference what you do, I feel in the end you will end up paying anyhow. I am only sharing what I see to be the wisest option. I said you had one resource and believe that to be true . . . your resource is money.
Cover . . . and Cover NOW, do not let it get any worse on yourselves. You have not called the game right up until this point and there is no reason to believe you will be able to start now. Yes it will cost you a lot of money. . . Yes you will be accountable for your actions. . . but you will survive it to play the game another day.(not by the same rules and hopefully learning from your mistakes) Making the choices you have made up until now, I cannot say with confidence that you will survive.
Now you may be afraid of the reprocussions of your actions and I feel for you. You see I had to learn, much like you, that people arent something you harm to make a profit. People are not dissposable. Peoples hopes and dreams are deep inner parts of them, that when damaged by what you have done, can be hurt for a very long time . . . perhaps even ruined. Unfortunatly you are about to feel that pain multiplied many times over because now the burden is yours to carry.
As you sit at your desk, look around you. You may have your coffee cup at hands length, perhaps your telephone, pictures of your kids or girlfriend. Look at the computer you take for granted and the long walk to the water cooler that you are able to take . . . and appreciate them because they are about to go away.
Do you think the bigshots that you work for give a damn about you? Im sorry, you have been mislead. Your freedom is about to be taken away from you if you play this game any further and I am begging you to understand this for your own good.
There is too much momentum behind this group. There is too much Love, Unity, Intelligence, Drive, Determination and LIGHT to stop this wave. The walls WILL come crashing down and there is only one way to lessen the blow. . . Use your only weapon, your only resource that you still have that will work in your favor . . . COVER NOW.
If you are a master at what you do then you will know when you have lost . . . KNOW.
The time is now to cover because it only gets worse from here. The people have spoken and you have had your day . . . your time is up, you had a good run but its now time to pay the piper. Im sorry it has come to this, but it was of your own doing. Save yourself and the dignity that you still have and do the right thing . . . you will be glad you did.
TEAM CMKX . . . YOU ROCK!!!!
golden
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29,000 Children die of starvation every day...but not on a day of hope....Visit the CMKX Day of Hope website to learn more and to make the CMKX day of hope a reality.
Posted by WWJD-thru-me on :
Bob, The website I am talking about here is for the purpose of CMKX shareholders sponsoring children through World Vision and isn't a stock board. -Debi
Hi CMKX friends and family, I hope you will stop by the CMKX Day of Hope Board.The CMKX Day of Hope is my dream to get 29,000 'Hope Child' kids from World Vision sponsored by CMKX shareholders. It has not yet been approved or disapproved by CMKX in any official way. I am hoping that Urban will respond officially and get behind this dream.
World Vision was one of the leading voices crying out for justice for those who were harmed by 'conflict diamonds'. When CMKX announced they were going to laser inscribe their Canadian diamonds, I already owned the stock. But I bought more. My thought at the time was God was going to bless this effort. I thought it would be poetic justice if the beneficiary of most of my gain from CMKX, went to World Vision who raised the world's awareness of those most hurt by the 'blood diamond' trade.
The number 29,000 is symbolic. I picked it because that is the number of children who die every day from starvation or hunger related diseases. It doesn't seem possible in our world of plenty that a child could die from not having enough nutritious food. But it happens all the time. Children die from diseases caused by drinking water with parasites and bacteria. For lack of simple vitamins, children go blind shortly after birth. More lose their lives for want of a vaccination. For $30 a month we can sponsor a child and help both them and their community get out of poverty forever.
Please use the special link for CMKX shareholders on the site to sponsor a World Vision Child. The transaction will be handled by World Vision and will be secure. World Vision has the highest standards of Financial Accountability and there is a seperate thread on the Day of Hope board for you to learn about it.
Personal Disclosure - I get a small honorarium from World Vision in my work with them. It has always been less than the cost of the children I have sponsored through them. I think I am running about a 90% loss ratio in what I receive versus what I give. The ratio may change but I hope to always be giving more to World Vision financially than I receive.
Sponsoring children is my life long passion and my motivation is love not money. Sincerest Thanks to all my fellow CMKX shareholders who can get behind this dream and I wish for you the best in your dreams too. -Debi Here is the link:
http://CMKXDayofHope.********s37.com
The Day of Hope board will help you learn about how AIDS is wiping out many communities accross the world and leaving millions of children orphaned with no one to care for them. I will attempt to communicate to you there how World Vision works to help these children and their communities through Child Sponsorship during your visit.
**IMPORTANT****If you should decide to sponsor a 'Hope Child' through World Vision please use the special link that is on the CMKXdayofhope home page that says in white Sponsor a child through World Vision by clicking here. Or the Sponsor a child through World Vision that is in white at the bottom of many pages. Or use this link:
http://tinyurl.com/656clThat way we will have an accurate count of how many children CMKX shareholders have sponsored as a group since that board started.**
There is a thread there with excellent information on how World Vision handles money. They put out an annual report with audited financials. I have to love that! Thanks again.
Posted by netsec on :
"...I didn't appreciate subtly being to told to shut up."What hypocrisy...a quote from Will the other day.
"Now get your mouth shut, quiet yourself, and move on, pal."
Sad.
Posted by will on :
That wasn't subtle. You deserved it.
quote:
Originally posted by netsec:
"...I didn't appreciate subtly being to told to shut up."What hypocrisy...a quote from Will the other day.
"Now get your mouth shut, quiet yourself, and move on, pal."
Sad.
Posted by Binky on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by shadow:
[B]Watched a story last night on the Science Channel
regarding Diamond Mining in Canada.It was a very interesting story about a guy name ?fifke? who was racing Debeers to find
a diamondiferous Kimberlite deposit in the
North West Territories in Canada.
==========================================You can check out current projects by Mr. Fipke here
http://www.cdnx.com/LCDB/LCDBSearch.asp?sPersonName=fipke&sType4=S&sMode=S&sBasketId=&Go%21.x=20&Go%21.y=11.GLTA Binky
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
no offence but if i want to sponcer a child i will do it under my own name not under a company's name and let them get a big tax credit. Besides that if this company turns out to be a scam (not saying that it will or wont) the money donates to this cause will do nothing for your investment.lets worry about getting the company to concentrate on getting their core sampling going. they already are throwing enough money into the wind now.
JMHO
Posted by Highwaychild on :
That was a good show last night.I liked the race for the staking of the mineral rights by helicopter.And the science behind the final sifting process.And the one ingredient of the final process Mr. Fipke wouldn't show the camera was interesting to me as well.Here was the prologue to the book 'Barron Lands' by Kevin Krajick about Mr. Fipke... http://members.fcc.net/krajick/prologue.htm
[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
Pretty good show. The guy was really determined. Took him 20 years running around nowhere Canada hammering rocks and sifting sand.
He should have realized there was an easier way. Buy a shell, stake some claims, and have a printing press.
Regarding the child sponsorship. I'm not going to go there. I know you were just kidding. Everyone has their way of doing good. No harm in anyone asking people to help. If you're inclined to donate, fine. If not, no harm, no foul. No need for me to be negative with someone trying to good, and help the unfortunate. Contrary to popular belief I do have compassion. I just don't have patience for fanatical people with outlandish claims and theories.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Hey Will,I'm a highwaychild.Would you sponsor me?That was a good show last night.I liked the race for the staking of the mineral rights by helicopter.And the science behind the final sifting process.And the one ingredient of the final process Mr. Fipke wouldn't show the camera was interesting to me as well.Here was the prologue to the book 'Barron Lands' by Kevin Krajick about Mr. Fipke... http://members.fcc.net/krajick/prologue.htm
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I was just kiddin'.Wasn't too funny anyway.I wouldn't have wrote it if I wasn't a "child" myself.I took it off.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
My problems with that sponsor a child suggestion are twofold:1) There are needy children here in our own country that need and should get the help FIRST.
2) If UC or any of his CMKX, UCAD, SGGM, GEMM or other comrades do get involved, I most certainly would not touch it with a ten foot pole...somehow, monies just might end up in undeserved pockets. IN MY CONSIDERED OPINION!!!
Sorry to disagree, but let's keep it here. I prefer causes at home first...including AIDS and HUNGER. Also, there are plenty of people living on the street or in vehicles that need help just as much.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Looks like WWJD is still on that NSS kick, no matter what the facts suggest otherwise. Probably because she cannot admit the mistakes of buying, buying and buying CMKX. Guessing she is well above $25,000 by now and way behind the 8-ball considering the current/last .0002 close. Good lesson, but should have known better.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Yea Wally,she's going to have a boat load of
UCAD and GEMM divvys someday.Too bad.LOL!
I wouldn't mind trading dividends with her.
Posted by will on :
Yea, I noticed Golden's post too, but I beat the "squeeze of the century" to death for the last week or so. Didn't see any facts in his post to support his arguement of how a huge naked short exists. All he did was lecture the MM's about being evil people. They laughed on their way to the watercooler, and roared on their way to the urinal thinking, right, Golden shower boy.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Looks like WWJD is still on that NSS kick, no matter what the facts suggest otherwise. Probably because she cannot admit the mistakes of buying, buying and buying CMKX. Guessing she is well above $25,000 by now and way behind the 8-ball considering the current/last .0002 close. Good lesson, but should have known better.
Posted by will on :
child, add up all those dividends a person who bought 72M at an avg buy of .00035 has, ($25,200). Tell me what portin of the $25K that offsets. I would be surprised if it 20%. Say it is, that's $5000, (mostly restricted with an unknown unrestricted value), plus .0002 X 72M = $14,400 = $19,400. $25,000 - $19,400 = -$5,600.
Now would you like to be in that position, or are you better off where you are?
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Yea Wally,she's going to have a boat load of
UCAD and GEMM divvys someday.Too bad.LOL!
I wouldn't mind trading dividends with her.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
GatorMan,Looked up your friend's site. Very interesting product line. Do you live near him?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Will,I like where I'm at but I like these dividends.That too many digits for my calculator.
UCAD looks like a good company.R.W. seems to do what he says he's going to do.They're in good with GEMM, CMKX is in good with GEMM.72,000,000 CMKX x0.0000096=691.2 x3(to 1 split OCT 25 maybe) gives her 2073.6 at say $21 a share that's $43,545.6 And still have CMKX, and GEMM divvys.
But my calculator dosn't do the whole .00000962.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I think investors believe there is a short because of1. The company has publicly said they believe there is.
2. The trading of the stock can be explained as a short by behavior.
WWJD has good reason to believe in the theory. My own DD suggests there is a short.
I have come to the conclusion that it is worth a shot and should pay out. I have already made a profit before the divvy's.
There are four ways to win with this stock.1. Sell on hype, there is enough to move the stock a couple of ticks. Most day traders who use technical analysis do this all the time.
Including old salts like wallace. You dont look at the future, you just realize there is volume and support and it moves.
2.You can wait for news of diamonds or uranium. Then you make good money long term.
3. You can sell on a short squeeze, which is actually caused by the market. Instead of letting the price run through natural volume it is suppressed through fake shares.All a squeeze is is a natural correction that takes the stock to a level it should have achieved over time.
4. You hold for dividends, which so far has done very well for me. I can still sell after the divvy's and get my original investment back. Plus hold the divvy's. They may or may not pan out.As a stock this could be a good pump job and still be a playable investment. It could be a real stock and a real company and go down the toilet.
Remember, all stocks are pumped, 100% of them, there is not a company in the world that says please dont buy my stock.
Posted by will on :
$21 a share????????
First it is restricted. Second after the split it will be lucky to be $5 a share. You don't need a better caculator, you need to calculate better.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Will,I like where I'm at but I like these dividends.That too many digits for my calculator.
UCAD looks like a good company.R.W. seems to do what he says he's going to do.They're in good with GEMM, CMKX is in good with GEMM.72,000,000 CMKX x0.0000096=691.2 x3(to 1 split OCT 25 maybe) gives her 2073.6 at say $21 a share that's $43,545.6 And still have CMKX, and GEMM divvys.
But my calculator dosn't do the whole .00000962.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I came up with $21 because that was the dollar amount R. W. said he would fs at.
So if UCAD saw $21 again her 2073.6 xanother 3:1 fs=6220.8 gremlins(UCAD shares)
Posted by WWJD-thru-me on :
Hi, I thought I would check back. The children sponsored on the CMKX Day of Hope would be sponsored by an individual shareholder who would sponsor a child of their choosing and get their own tax deduction in their own name.The monies would be 100% handled by World Vision who have the highest standards of financial integrity and transparency. They put out audited financial statements and submit to a board of their peers for the purpose of accountabilty.
Hi Wallace, I am glad to see you are back and were just on vacation. You are right about the poor here in our own country. Helping children here at home doesn't mean we cannot help children elsewhere. It isn't an either or proposition. It is a both and for many people.
For those who are feeling a little tight click this link:http://videodetective.com/home.asp?x=y&SpeedTestResults=1548.39&PublishedID=2822&AltID=&CustomerID=97135&WM=True&Ads=True&Play=TRUE
For those who are feeling all warm and fuzzy click this link:
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http://videodetective.com/home.asp?PublishedID=2822I do think that there is a naked short in CMKX and we will see how it plays out. I am not concerned that the stock's price hasn't run yet. I am convinced that the research I did is sound and I expect to do exceptionally well with stock. I not only do not regret buying it, I have continued to accumulate shares. I also bought shares in the partner stocks, UCAD, GEMM, and CYXG.
I am looking forward to hearing Urban on the webcast tonight and hope to interview him for some radio broadcasts I will be doing in the near future. I will let you know if that is set to happen. Good luck to all and the opinions expressed by me about CMKX are mine and though you are welcome to share them do your own DD. IMO-Debi
Posted by will on :
OK, there's no arguing with fantasy. Can't disprove it, only logic tells us your estimates are fantastic, and unrealistic.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
I came up with $21 because that was the dollar amount R. W. said he would fs at.
So if UCAD saw $21 again her 2073.6 xanother 3:1 fs=6220.8 gremlins(UCAD shares)
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
RJR wrote:Including old salts like wallace.
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LOL You know that if you put salt on a bird's tail it cannot fly? Try it, you'll see it works on the wild ones only. LOL
WWJDGood luck with CYXG. If it goes as did UCAD and GEMM, and as VAN suggested, it will be a money maker. Was tempted myself on that one.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
"I think investors believe there is a short because of1. The company has publicly said they believe there is.
2. The trading of the stock can be explained as a short by behavior."
Raider I take you also believe this along with the "investors"?
"I do think that there is a naked short in CMKX and we will see how it plays out."
Debi also believes it is shorted.
Are these just beliefs, or is there a good sound reason for it. The UCAD forced an accounting of all CMKX shares without evidence of the "squeeze of the century". That says it wasn't shorted to the extreeme you believe. What do you base your opinion on that makes you to continue to say that? Of course, you can believe what you like, but I think an explanation of why you believe this would be nice. Convince me the UCAD dividend didn't account for the lack of the "squeeze of the century".
Can you offer any evidence besides, the company saying and the depressed PPS that a shorting of larger than usual proportions exists here?[This message has been edited by will (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by RaiderJR on :
The short can be covered by buying CMKX or UCAD.The price of UCAD went up did it not? Was this due to the short?
People have wondered why some got unrestricted UCAD in place of restricted. The answer is pretty simple.
In a law suit plaintiff must show damages. If the MM's give the same value in something else then there are no monetary damages to suit over.
It is still a matter of criminal behavior, but as far as a liability suit unrestricted shares cover their rears.
The only question, when does it become more economically viable to buy CMKX? As the divvy's are given there will come a point where they have to cover us. We can keep divvying til they run out of money.
Posted by Justhis1ce on :
does anyone remember what the CIM divvy price ratio is by any chance?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
try the calculator on your computer. go to start button then programs then accesories and you will find a calculator there that is capable of these calculations. i use mine all the time. i have set it up with a short cut key ctrl, alt, c very handy.Rod
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Will,I like where I'm at but I like these dividends.That too many digits for my calculator.
UCAD looks like a good company.R.W. seems to do what he says he's going to do.They're in good with GEMM, CMKX is in good with GEMM.72,000,000 CMKX x0.0000096=691.2 x3(to 1 split OCT 25 maybe) gives her 2073.6 at say $21 a share that's $43,545.6 And still have CMKX, and GEMM divvys.
But my calculator dosn't do the whole .00000962.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i have not spoke with anyone that got unrestricted shares.has anyone here recieved (as a dividend) unrestricted shares?
i know i recieved restricted shares.
lets have a hand count of those that received unrestricted shares
anyone?
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
The short can be covered by buying CMKX or UCAD.The price of UCAD went up did it not? Was this due to the short?
People have wondered why some got unrestricted UCAD in place of restricted. The answer is pretty simple.
In a law suit plaintiff must show damages. If the MM's give the same value in something else then there are no monetary damages to suit over.
It is still a matter of criminal behavior, but as far as a liability suit unrestricted shares cover their rears.
The only question, when does it become more economically viable to buy CMKX? As the divvy's are given there will come a point where they have to cover us. We can keep divvying til they run out of money.[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
Well, I can't prove that anyone wound up with unrestricted shares, but since 10/06/04 I have heard no one say they did.
I have find that explanation highly unlikely, and not an acceptable explantion. There isn't any evidence that CMKX was shorted to the extent the proponents of the "squeeze of the century" believed.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Hey yea,Thanks Penny-Trader,didn't even know that was there.
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Justhis1ce:
does anyone remember what the CIM divvy price ratio is by any chance?check here for all offical dividend/distributuion dates/amounts...
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=cmkx[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I know of several who said they received unrestricted.Why?
I'm just showing one point that can point to a short. There are others.I did not say how big it was. If you said there was no short then you would be denying the mm's a legal right to an orderly market.
There is always some short. The question is, at what pct of OS. A short of 20% of the OS could drive the price of a stock with a much smaller OS considerably.
Keep in mind, I don't care if there is a short or not. I'm just showing activity that would correspond to one.I'm just showing how reasonable thinkers could arrive at that conclusion.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i have no idea how many outstanding ucad shares there are. but the theory is that NSS theory is that they are shorted to the tune of a trillion shares. i dotn believe there is enough ucad shares out there to cover with unrestricted shares. which means that someone somewhere is not getting their shares. since im not hearing anyone complaining that they have not recieved thier shares i have i hard time buying into this NSS theory.to cover this short over 9500000 shares would need to be bought to cover the short. so to cover
the 20 day average on ucad is 279755 so to cover the short that would take 33.95 days of trading if the entire volume of the trading was to buy to cover these shorts.
i very highly doubt there is enough investors to buy that many shorted shares as well. I could be wrong on this thought.look at the numbers and tell me if this is possible. really think about it
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Well, I can't prove that anyone wound up with unrestricted shares, but since 10/06/04 I have heard no one say they did.
I have find that explanation highly unlikely, and not an acceptable explantion. There isn't any evidence that CMKX was shorted to the extent the proponents of the "squeeze of the century" believed.
Posted by will on :
I accept that CMKX is/was shorted, but on no larger scale than any other stock. I am referring to the "squeeze of the century" theorist.
At this point I would have to say they are kidding themselves, and misleading others.
Anyone that did not receive shares, or received unrestricted shares, please speak up. I doubt very much there will be anyone, and if there is it would be a test of faith to believe them.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, you have mail.RJR,
1) Penny-trader picked up on exactly the same thing I have been thinking, that Will has been saying and that Bill1352 has been saying as well. If anyone got unrestricted shares, you sure as hell would have heard about it. Further, had there been any large quantity of NSS, considering the large number of CMKX shareholders, there is NO QUESTION that a considerable number of CMKX shareholders would have received unrestricted UCAD shares. No getting around that.
2) OK, then you might say that UCAD sold the MMs restricted or unrestricted shares. NO WAY!! They are too tight with CMKX and CMKX swears there are/were loads of NSS out there. First, it would be to UCAD's advantage not to make such a deal. Second, in view of the dealings back and forth, as well as Glenn representing both co's, it would not float. If unrestricted, the same logic above applies.
3) Remotely possible, but unlikely is that the MMs borrowed restricted shares from brokers' client's accounts. Unlikely because too many CMKX shareholders got their UCAD dividend shares all about the same time. Further, the brokers probably know about CMKX and all the questions regarding NSS. It would be rather stupid of them to loan them out and contribute to the illegalities surrounding NSS and get caught with their pants down later on down the road. Remember, these things can be tracked backward.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Here's something else (edited) I have taken from a post on another board which should provoke some thought (and my sentiments as well):"first, you travel a lot with shortsharks, and they are the ultimate CMKX booster board on *******, rivaling any other board in sheer output pertaining to the glory of that stock ---- like drugs, alcohol abuse or some fundamentalist cults, one needs to get away from the substance before the mind can see clearly !
i am not driven (your words) to the point that i "hope" that CMKX is a scam, but i have never seen evidence that they are not, (and so much points to it) and theyve been around for a long time now --- logical people look at things logically ---- a rainbow does not appear to be a logical end to this tunnel !
as far as chips on the shoulder ---- i must state to the contrary, as i carry advice, some experience and hopefully a little wisdom on my shoulders (plural). i do not carry chips ---- that is for younger and more foolish men !
MY COMMENTS - Wallace
I doubt there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow portrayed by the CMKX management or by the avid promoters.
"Chips" are also used for gambling. Is that what UC is trying to tell all of you by handing out chips at the races? At the casinos, you will lose a hell of a lot more of them than you win. Guaranteed!! It has been set up against you that way.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Was anyone able to listen to the Webcast of Urban Casavant on Green Baron today. My link did not work and I was wondering if anyone else had the same problem. The webcast was suppose to be avilable to Green Baron members today.------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by Ruh916 on :
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FULL INTERVIEW (text)
« Thread started on: Today at 18:19:34 »
Please only post discussion of the interview itself on the board tonight (Sunday).Please do NOT post the audio link...
... in deference to Green Baron's choice of dissemination policy. This may simply allow Green Baron subscribers a better shot at getting to hear it, considering how overloaded the servers are already...
-BD
-----------------------------------------------------------Interview Summary:
UCAD
- Things are really good, excited about 3rd quarter.
- Getting ready for shareholder appreciation party
- Says numbers in next quarter will be good
- Langley now trading on the london stock exchange / they will sell shares when they find the price good.
- They are bringing back more gold from yellow river and looking to aquiring more additional properties.
- Rachel neveda - neveda payed off what they owe in full. - Exploring pros and cons of excersing UCAD's options on property
- Shareholder party 29-31 in Vegas. Lots of fun. Get out there and meet all patient shareholders. They want to meet each one and tell them thanks for everything they helped urban and rendall move forward by investing in companies.
- Tremedous amount of intrest in the party. If someone wants to come you need to get registered.
- Four other events in vegas. Book rooms as early as possible. Oct. 20th deadline.
- Relationship between UCAD and CMKX. They are combining their resources to tie into each other and increase shareholder value and each of there companies.
-Shareholders WILL participate in the Forward Split 3-1. ALL the shares will still be restricted.
CMKX- Working to bring the company reporting.
- A little ahead of schedule than what it normally takes
- Twoards the end of the month they can be more accurate as to when they will become fully reporting
- Projects in Canada on schedule, drilling ongoing. Some delays in getting permits
- They are drilling 24/7. There increasing size of workforce. A lot to come.
- Looking for new projects to increase shareholder value on a continuous basis.
- Urban and Rendall send there condolences to Ty.
- They want to make the working relationship between UCAD strong, to benifit the shareholder.
- Urban says that they are working on fully reporting, says they aware of low share price, they will sort it out shortly
- Saying be patient...lol. They are working with Roger Glenn to address the situation.
- Having Roger Glenn on board, insures everything is done properly with the company, he will fix all the problems with the company.
- Drilling activity - got a good drill team and proper equipment. Ahead of schedule. Getting down to 100-1500 foot range.
- A lot of targets they can't get on til they're frozen. Multiple targets.
- Final thoughts: Urban thanks every shareholder, he really believes at these prices it's a good opportunity. They are doing a lot of transactions in the future that will enhance shareholder value. Thanks everyone for coming out to the races.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
RE: Green Baron's Interview SummaryALL BS!!!
Posted by will on :
"- Urban says that they are working on fully reporting, says they aware of low share price, they will sort it out shortly
- Saying be patient...lol. They are working with Roger Glenn to address the situation.
- Having Roger Glenn on board, insures everything is done properly with the company, he will fix all the problems with the company."Any detail to this? "the situation", did he say what the situation is? "fix all the probelms with the company" did he identify what these problems are?
Patience was the message?
Posted by will on :
By the way, Ruh420, thanks for posting information, I appreciate it.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i suspect the problems are keeping Urba from going to jailit would b enice if he mentioned what the problems are but he doesnt want mayhem when he tells the truth.
JMHO
quote:
Originally posted by will:
"- Urban says that they are working on fully reporting, says they aware of low share price, they will sort it out shortly
- Saying be patient...lol. They are working with Roger Glenn to address the situation.
- Having Roger Glenn on board, insures everything is done properly with the company, he will fix all the problems with the company."Any detail to this? "the situation", did he say what the situation is? "fix all the probelms with the company" did he identify what these problems are?
Patience was the message?
Posted by will on :
To be fair at this time, penny, that was just a summary. Maybe he did go into detail as to what he felt the problems/situation are, and what will be done to fix them.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
true enough.well see soon enough.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
To be fair at this time, penny, that was just a summary. Maybe he did go into detail as to what he felt the problems/situation are, and what will be done to fix them.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Maybe he doesn't like people peeking at his cards.
At least he's talking to the share holders.
Posted by will on :
As a shareholder you are satisfied if those general remarks were all he said?
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Maybe he doesn't like people peeking at his cards.
At least he's talking to the share holders.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I havn't heard the interview.
But I don't think we'll hear much of substance untill CMKX is a reporting company.[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by RaiderJR on :
There you have it. No question about a short.
You will know about the fully reporting issue in about two weeks.
I think this just builds to an announcement soon. I think the party is in this time frame.
Also, Roger will fix the problems. This isn't just saying we have problems, but they are fixable.If CMKX comes out of this a going concern with proper structure and revenue then it should do well.
Wallace, do you believe our problems are fixable?
Posted by will on :
Oh! Your first reply : "Maybe he doesn't like people peeking at his cards.
At least he's talking to the share holders.", led me to believe that you might be satisfied with at least him talking to shareholders. I said to be fair we haven't seen or heard the whole interview or learned if there was detail to those general remarks. If there isn't more than that I would be disappointed. The summerized interview had very little substance, except to be patient. I would like substance over "at least", wouldn't you? If there isn't more then I would assume they are continuing to follow their policy of not being forthcoming and remaining ambiguous. Ambiguity only leads to these wild theories and specualtions to keep people buying. He even made a reference that at this price it would be prudent to purchase more, a buy opportunity.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
I havn't heard the interview.
But I don't think we'll hear much of substance untill CMKX is a reporting company.[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Here is the one I like,
quote:
Urban says that they are working on fully reporting, says they aware of low share price, they will sort it out shortly
What is there to sort out, why are they not concerned right now? Is there too much going on to deal with it?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
I havn't heard the interview.
But I don't think we'll hear much of substance untill CMKX is a reporting company.[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 17, 2004).]
Why not, highwaychild? You ARE entitled to substance as a CMKX shareholder! That is a major part of "professional, fair and honest business practices". Don't you agree?
Posted by will on :
Raider any idea why --- "There you have it. No question about a short."
Do you think that was purposely avoided? Usually when things are avoided that denotes resignation that it didn't exist. It's dismissed without acknowledging they were inaccurate and miscalculated the short issue. The faithful might say it was avoided as part of plan or trap, I don't buy that. I go with, sweep it under the rug, don't talk about it, they'll forget.
Posted by will on :
I liked that one too, Raider, but chose the other two I posted. Sorted out was just too vague to me, I thought that would be obvious even to a casual observer. Good catch though, nothing like being ambiguous.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Here is the one I like,
What is there to sort out, why are they not concerned right now? Is there too much going on to deal with it?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
When I say at least he is talking to shareholders I mean,How many sub-penny stock market C.E.O.s do that?
U. C. is not melvin you're dealing with.I think you're not going to get any answers until he is ready to give 'em.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
It may be over zealous skepticism that infers he is hiding info, it is possible he really doesn't know.
He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth.All to be sorted out, when it is he will tell us. That is what I get out of this.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Here is a post from RB
quote:
abadgoodgirl, Did you think they gave us "the silent treatment"? But the 1500 ft. level is pretty darn deep to still be finding Kimberlite. Am I right?
tia
Is it possible UC is giving us kimberlite depth of the famous oreo pipe? That is the last place they were drilling per my recollection.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
oh shiit now theres a good atribute maybe he just doesnt know!!!!!and you are ok with that thinking!!!
holly crapThat scares the hell out of me.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
It may be over zealous skepticism that infers he is hiding info, it is possible he really doesn't know.
He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth.All to be sorted out, when it is he will tell us. That is what I get out of this.
Posted by will on :
I have a link here where they CEO's of a lot of pennies are interviewd:
http://www.ceocast.com/index.cfmThere are probably a couple others that do like interviewing.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
When I say at least he is talking to shareholders I mean,How many sub-penny stock market C.E.O.s do that?
U. C. is not melvin you're dealing with.I think you're not going to get any answers until he is ready to give 'em.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
according to melvins comment on Thursday they where not sure how far down they where but they had not found anything yet but that we would be the first to know
mms://media.bchost.com/audio/melvin_101304.wmaif they are down 1500 ft and still have not found anything that is not good. and according to what melvin said this is the second drilling in this swampy area.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Here is a post from RB
Is it possible UC is giving us kimberlite depth of the famous oreo pipe? That is the last place they were drilling per my recollection.[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
Are you saying he may not know about a huge shorting problem. I thought that was what CMKX was claiming was killing the PPS, and to correct that was a major part of their plan.
Am I misunderstanding, does, "it is possible he doesn't reallty know", refer to something other than the shorting issue?
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
It may be over zealous skepticism that infers he is hiding info, it is possible he really doesn't know.
He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth.All to be sorted out, when it is he will tell us. That is what I get out of this.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
RJR wrote:
"He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth."
To exactly what are you referring?
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Two things,1. the question was about pps not shorting. There are many things that apply to pps. If there were a shorting issue the divvy's distribution could help clear this up, I agree with you UC couldn't make this statement and know the shorting problem exacly.
Perhaps as others have said, he uses the divvy's to help extract the total number of shorts. Then UC would be telling the truth.
2. 1500 ft drill depth could apply in a general sense to any of the holes drilled in the past month. I am sure there have been multiple holes.
You are stretching things to connect UC's statement and Uncle Melvie's.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i find it ridiculous that ppl still think there is a huge naked short. you can't use restricted shares in the loan program. these are special shares that cant be moved. the loan program that allows naked shorting is based on selling a stock with the idea of replacing that share within 3 days with stocks you bought when you could only the replace part never happens. where do you buy restricted shares? if any naked short belivers can explain that to me i might change my mind. ucad would be braindead to sell restricted shares to mm's to cover naked shares of a partner company not to mention secretly dilute their own shares. no wait that company in london was set up to cover naked shares of cmkx. they invested heavily in ucad only to get restricted shares of ucad so they could cover and so that nobody would catch on they invested in a bunch of other companies. devious bast***s those mm's are.as for reporting qbid said it would be 6 months to a yr to get everything ready to be reporting and i dont think what mess they have is even close to cmkx's mess. qbid figures spring maybe early summer. i'm 46 yrs old i figure any time before i see 50 might be fast with the cmkx share structure mess
as for ppl like wwjd investing $25,000 in cmkx, i dont think they will get hurt. the dividends will cover a lot of that even with ucad's pps a yr from now and i'm sure a run will happen that if smart the differance can be made up in cmkx sells. i'd look for ucad to be at least $5 in a yr. if you notice they do seem to do the right things. even after this 3-1 forward split they will only have about a 70 million o/s with a few paying gold mines and a diamond mine in south america getting close to coming on line. the div's could easily be worth close to $20,000 and .0005 X 10 million cmkx shares covers $25,000 with 60 million cmkx shares in the bank. i'd like to be that person but i sure wouldn't be putting that kind of money into cmkx today even if i had it, not without the ucad shares
[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
Raider, I am not sure who you are replying to, it might help to either use the reply feature, or quote the person you're speaking to, or address them directly.
It's getting difficult for me to follow.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Wallace,The boards have been full of what is supposed to be revealed monday and later in the week.
UC's statement tend to discredit all these rumors, and focuses us a couple of weeks out.
There may be a lot of pumpers, but UC clearly isn't one of them according to the preliminary info.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Would they drill to 1500ft and beyond without hitting kimberlite?Or would they stop much sooner?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
paet 2 of his message was directed to me.Im not sure about part one lol
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Raider, I am not sure who you are replying to, it might help to either use the reply feature, or quote the person you're speaking to, or address them directly.
It's getting difficult for me to follow.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Sorry Penny,Anyone can answer my responses if they feel the need.
Would they drill to 1500 ft in a dry hole?
Posted by will on :
I'm pretty much finished for the day anyway. Not much more to say.
No "squeeze of the century"
Need detail of the interview, if there are any.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 17, 2004).]
Posted by Highwaychild on :
http://www.ceocast.com/index.cfm ... Cool tool Will,thanks.
But how many of those company C.E.O. have a diamond cartel watching their every move.LOL
I'm gone.Hope there will be another pr in my E-mail when I get up.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
I dont believe i am stretching it. they are drilling in one area right now as they still only have the one drilling unit. they are planning on increasing the effort but from what i can gather is that they only still have the one.Melvin made comment that Ron had just talked to him and that they where going back up there the next day.
Urban made the comment today about being down to 1500 ft.
so no i dont believe it is a stretch to combine the 2 comments to come up with this.
at least there is some fact behind it to support the comment unlike the NSS theory that everyone is willing to accept dispite the fact that it has been shot down as not existing.I know you would rather believe the stuff that imagination is made of. I like the facts myself.
Rod
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Two things,2. 1500 ft drill depth could apply in a general sense to any of the holes drilled in the past month. I am sure there have been multiple holes.
You are stretching things to connect UC's statement and Uncle Melvie's.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I asked the question at rb and people with drilling knowledge said the overburden stops between 400 and 500 ft, and they would not drill much past this in a dry hole.It gets more expensive the deeper you go.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
apparently they do since we have drilled that deep and still have no word on any type of finds.do you honestly think that they wouldnt be braging up any finds at all?
look at how loud they where about 2 tiny little diamond fragments that where not worth mentioning.
just imagine what they will be like if they find anythign that resembles a diamond big enough to see.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
Sorry Penny,Anyone can answer my responses if they feel the need.
Would they drill to 1500 ft in a dry hole?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
in the Caroline pipe they didnt hit kimberlite till they hit 400 ft if i remember right.Urban has state we have drilled to 1500 ft.
so with your theory then they have a pipe that has estended down 1500 feet from around the 400 ft level. that would be huge news and again if that was the case there woudl be a lot of hype about it. Caroline pipe was estimated at about 200 ft of kimberlite and they where very excited about that.
i cant see them keeping quite under your theory.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
I asked the question at rb and people with drilling knowledge said the overburden stops between 400 and 500 ft, and they would not drill much past this in a dry hole.It gets more expensive the deeper you go.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
quote:
Urban made the comment today about being down to 1500 ft.
He did not say at 1500 ft today. He said they had drilled from 100ft to 1500ft, that could be anytime over the past weeks.
Penny,They would keep it quiet because they learned a lesson with Carolin. They got avg reults back fro a known pipe and it hurt them.
I think they are using results to make deals first, and will announce results to the public when it is time in their opinion.
This is one explanation.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Good luck, Raider, I am gone until tomorrow...maybe.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
possibly.I hope you are right, but untill this happens i will remain skeptical and refrain form strapping on the rose colored glasses.
less pain this way if it all goes down the tube.
Im not in love with this stock and will not fall into the trap of convincing myself that this is the one that will make me rich.
GLTA
close tomorrow .0002
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
He did not say at 1500 ft today. He said they had drilled from 100ft to 1500ft, that could be anytime over the past weeks.
Penny,They would keep it quiet because they learned a lesson with Carolin. They got avg reults back fro a known pipe and it hurt them.
I think they are using results to make deals first, and will announce results to the public when it is time in their opinion.
This is one explanation.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I will hang on til the divvy's are divied. End of November. All I can lose is 50% of CMKX from this point.
I realize it ties my money up, I play a few others and hopefully they will pay off soon too.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
CMKM Diamonds Inc
Symbol CMKX
CMKM fans in dividend tizzy, await CEO interview2004-10-15 20:30 ET - Street Wire
Also Street Wire (U-UCAD) US Canadian Minerals Inc
by Lee M. Webb
CMKM Diamonds Inc., a subpenny pink sheet promotion headed by Urban Casavant, has a cult-like following that was recently thrown into yet another tizzy, this time over a purported dividend-in-specie distribution of shares of Australia-based WMC Resources Ltd. CMKM fans are also excitedly awaiting the release of a so-called interview with Mr. Casavant conducted by Internet tout Ed Miller of the Green Baron.
While the CMKM faithful will indeed soon get to listen to Mr. Casavant field some vetted questions gently lobbed by Mr. Miller, they will not be receiving any WMC shares as a dividend distribution.
The WMC imbroglio
WMC bears little resemblance to the gaggle of companies associated with CMKM, some of which already figure in dividend-in-specie schemes. For example, a distribution of shares of recently made over and virtually penniless U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc., which is trading on the OTC Bulletin Board, was paid on Oct. 6.
A dividend-in-specie distribution of privately owned and inscrutable Casavant International Mining, formerly headed by Urban Casavant and now led by Ron Casavant, is slated for Oct. 18. A distribution of shares of pink-sheet traded Juina Mining Corp., a non-reporting company, will follow on Nov. 15.
WMC is a horse of a markedly different colour; it is a major diversified resources company that produces nickel, copper, uranium oxide, phosphate fertilizer and other products. The company reported an after-tax profit of $515-million (Australian) for the six months ending June 30, 2004.
The hullabaloo over WMC erupted after a British CMKM shareholder reported that he had received a TD Waterhouse corporate action notice advising that Mr. Casavant's pink sheet promotion had announced a distribution of WMC shares.
According to the Oct. 7 notice from TD Waterhouse, which was scanned and posted to the Internet, on Nov. 15 shareholders would receive 0.00012267 of a share of WMC for each share of CMKM. That is exactly the same payment date and ratio that has been officially published for the dividend-in-specie distribution of Juina Mining shares.
The possibility of a hoax or simply a clerical error by TD Waterhouse was largely dismissed by many of the cult-like CMKM followers. Indeed, according to one of the most widely followed CMKM Internet gurus, identified as U.S. Air Force officer Major Sterling Collins, the notice of a distribution of WMC shares was not likely a mistake at all.
"I believe it is very likely to be true and I think I see why besides the minerals and resources involved," Mr. Collins told a large group of his Internet followers on Oct. 11. "I think I can make some sense of this."
Apparently the sense that Mr. Collins could make of the WMC imbroglio turned on some convoluted gobbledegook involving a circular cash flow economic model, whatever that might be.
WMC, however, made more succinct sense of the matter.
"WMC Resources has no relationship with CMKM Diamonds," WMC spokesman John Higginbotham advised Stockwatch.
According to Mr. Higginbotham, WMC was trying to contact TD Waterhouse in both the U.S. and Britain "to alert them to this misinformation."
There will not be a dividend-in-specie distribution of WMC shares to CMKM shareholders.
Meanwhile, many of the excitable CMKM faithful have moved on to other wild speculation, making much ado about the upcoming release of Mr. Casavant's interview with the Green Baron.
Urban talks to tout
Mr. Casavant, known more familiarly among CMKM fans as "Urban" or "Urbie" or "UC," has reportedly already been interviewed by Mr. Miller, head of the Internet tout service the Green Baron.
U.S. Canadian Minerals chief executive officer Rendal Williams, in a reprise with Mr. Miller, took part in the same interview that will be made available to Green Baron members on Oct. 17 and released to the general public on Oct. 18.
Mr. Miller has been fishing for an interview with the elusive Mr. Casavant for quite some time, even attending some of the funny car races that CMKM's leader used to frequent in an attempt to chat him up. Evidently that did not pan out because Mr. Casavant did not show up at those particular races.
In any event, Mr. Miller reported in one of his earlier touts that Mr. Casavant had been advised by legal counsel that it would be best to postpone any interview until after CMKM became fully reporting.
The fact that Mr. Casavant has participated in the Green Baron interview to be generally released on Monday has, of course, sparked another frenzy of speculation among the company's faithful followers. Indeed, among other things, speculation is rampant that CMKM will have reporting status before the interview is released.
Many believe that just such an announcement will be made before the markets open on Oct. 18, possibly even some time this weekend. Some more skeptical observers, widely known as "bashers," express doubts about whether CMKM, a company with more than 779 billion shares outstanding, will ever become a reporting issuer.
To this point, CMKM has not made any filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission signalling a return to reporting issuer status, something that would undoubtedly be of interest to both the company's faithful followers and skeptics alike, if it ever happens.
Given that the interview questions were previously vetted by Mr. Casavant and Mr. Williams, the eagerly awaited interview of Mr. Casavant is not likely to involve much, if anything, in the way of questions that would require specific answers about such things as the share structure, the company's financial status or other hard facts that are generally available to investors in reporting companies.
Among many of CMKM's faithful followers, however, fantasies trump facts, so an abundance of puffery and a dearth of solid information emanating from the so-called interview may not cause much of a stir.
Indeed, it is quite likely that any puffery will be far easier to fit into the fantasies of the starry-eyed naifs who seem to believe that CMKM has an "intrinsic value" of a trillion or even several trillion dollars, huge deposits of valuable minerals that pretty much span the spectrum of the periodic table and a massive short position that could top a trillion shares, among other unlikely things.
Quite apart from the fact that Mr. Casavant and Mr. Williams previously approved the interview questions, it is not likely that Mr. Miller would press his guests on any issues that might trouble CMKM's faithful followers or dampen their enthusiasm for the pink sheet promotion or hinder the U.S. Canadian Minerals promotion, for that matter.
After all, the Green Baron is a tout service, though the CMKM and U.S. Canadian Minerals touting is reportedly being provided free of charge. Moreover, Mr. Miller, who touts CMKM as "the stock play of a lifetime," holds shares of the company, as does his father at his suggestion. They probably hold shares of U.S. Canadian Minerals, too, given the dividend-in-specie distribution of restricted shares of that company on Oct. 6.
U.S. Canadian Minerals, which reported no revenue and a picayune $1,321 (U.S.) in cash for the quarter ending June 30, 2004, has been on something of a tear lately. (All future amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
The stock price flared to a rather astonishing $18.50 per share on Oct. 12 before giving up some of the gains. The following day, the company announced a three-for-one forward stock split, now set for Oct. 25.
Sour note
Evidently the recent trading activity and price spike in U.S. Canadian Minerals caught the attention of Stocklemon.com, an Internet publication that bills itself as "exposing lemons on the OTC market." It is widely accepted that Stocklemon and some of its followers engage in shorting OTC companies identified as lemons by the publication.
On Oct. 15, Stocklemon.com published its unflattering assessment of U.S. Canadian Minerals in what may be the first of several articles, if the publication follows its usual pattern.
"The business of UCAD (U.S. Canadian Minerals) has been a slew of convoluted deals and swaps with virtually worthless pink sheet companies," the Stocklemon report states. Mines and money have been swapped between them all, but it still leaves shareholders with no real value. The mines have no proven success; you can shuffle worthless entities around all day long, but at the end of the day you still end up with nothing, regardless of share price."
After examining several other matters and offering opinions, Stocklemon provided its conclusion, among other things mentioning CMKM.
"We are aware the CMKX has a large shareholder base and we respect people who invest their hard earned money in the markets," Stocklemon says, in part. "Yet, the stock market is not a get rich quick scheme and investors should do substantial due diligence before ever buying a penny stock.
"Remember, if you can't bet on the horse, bet on the jockey. In this case the jockeys do not have an investment grade track record.
"Please take this report as a respectful warning to all of you who might spend your hard earned money buying this stock."
Evidently the Stocklemon report drew considerable response, including reactions from CMKM shareholders. Indeed, the extent of the response and some of the reactions apparently even surprised Stocklemon's editor, who is no stranger to receiving rather harsh comments about his publication.
Meanwhile, the Stocklemon report did not have an adverse impact on the share price. In fact, with 192,150 shares changing hands U.S. Canadian Minerals gained $1.45 to close at $14.45 on Oct. 15.
CMKM rang up a volume of approximately 16 billion shares and closed unchanged at two-100ths of a cent on Friday.
The saga will continue.
Comments regarding this article may be sent to lwebb@stockwatch.com.
(More information regarding CMKM Diamonds and associated companies can be found in Stockwatch articles dated Oct. 21, 2003; June 22; Sept. 16 and 24; and Oct. 1, 2004.)
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
here is what stood out ot me in this articleQuite apart from the fact that Mr. Casavant and Mr. Williams previously approved the interview questions, it is not likely that Mr. Miller would press his guests on any issues that might trouble CMKM's faithful followers or dampen their enthusiasm for the pink sheet promotion or hinder the U.S. Canadian Minerals promotion, for that matter.
so dont expect any new info from this interview.
hardly an interview at all under these conditions.
also this passage spoke volumes as well.
The business of UCAD (U.S. Canadian Minerals) has been a slew of convoluted deals and swaps with virtually worthless pink sheet companies," the Stocklemon report states. Mines and money have been swapped between them all, but it still leaves shareholders with no real value. The mines have no proven success; you can shuffle worthless entities around all day long, but at the end of the day you still end up with nothing, regardless of share price."
but you can close your eyes to these facts as well.we will not be reporting by the interview.
i would be surprised if they ever go reporting. they have to much that they dont want to go public with. especially the outstanding share count.
JMHO
Rod
Posted by Dave on :
THE CMKX stock/chess game continues..
25mill and holding.
Posted by JEAL on :
Dave - Lets hope that it is us - the shareholders - that get to say the ever famous, Checkmate.JEAL
Posted by JEAL on :
Woohoo - touched 0.0003 at early trading
Posted by safeguard on :
Question? If this has been covered before please forgive me.The original purchase of Juina Mining Corp. was 95,502,027 share representing 25% of Juina's O/S. So, the O/S was 382,008,108 (95,502,027/.25). Now the new O/S would be 477,510,135 (382,008,108 + 95,502,027).
However, the recent additional purchase of 127,336,036 was stated as being 24% (in the old pr) which is an O/S 530,566,816 (127,336,036/.24).
The difference between 530,566,817 and 477,510,135 is 53,056,682 or exactly 10% of 530,566,817 round up.
Any thoughts on where this other 10% can from?
(hope my math is correct)
From old prs...
7/29/2004 2:26:00 PM
LAS VEGAS, Jul 29, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) announced today that it has purchased common stock equating to 25% of the outstanding shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM) for $500,000.In addition, GEMM has issued an option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000.
8/2/2004 1:05:00 PM
LAS VEGAS, Aug 2, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) announced today that it has elected to distribute the 95,502,027 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM) which were recently purchased by the company as a dividend to its shareholders.In addition, GEMM has issued a 60-day option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000 USD. When exercised, the company has elected to distribute this additional 127,336,036 as a dividend on the same record and distribution date.
0.00012267 announced factor for 95,502,027 shares.
0.00016356 expected factor for 127,336,036 shares
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Posted by TruthTeller on :
Upside (or anyone)
How do you find out the A/S? Somebody called state of NV before. Can you post the number or call them up again? Thanks
Posted by Upside on :
775-684-5708. Whoever answers the phone will tell you. Just tell them you want the authorized share count of a Nevada corporation. They'll ask the name, just remember to tell them CMKM Diamonds, not CMKX. They might laugh a little (they did with me) because apparently they get quite a few calls about them. Let us know what they say!
Posted by bill1352 on :
we keep hearing about getting results from carolyn or the one we got, 2 flakes of diamond but the truth is we can't expect much from these drilling tests. think about it...from shore gold i think it said they had great results finding 17 to 20 carats per tonne of bulk sampling. lets use 20 carats and for 1 tonne lets say the bed of a pick up truck full & level with the bed top now take 20 - 1 carat diamonds (about the size of a lima bean) and mix that into the pick up bed. now look out your window and picture 400 ft down stacking 20 of these pick up beds on top of each other, ten stacks across & 10 stacks each way now take something the size of your wrist & drill it down into these stacks of pick up beds remembering you have 300 ft deep of dirt before you hit those pick up beds. how many of those diamonds do you think you might hit? i think if you hit any of the diamonds it would be lucky. even if you broke those 1 carat pieces into 10 pieces each. what i'm saying is expecting any real results giving these claims any kind of valuation with 2 1/2 inch drill samples is foolish. not till they find a likely spot & do bulk sampling will any kind of valuation be done & thats at least a yr away if not 2 or 3 yrs.
Posted by sdrobert on :
The state of Nevada can tell you how many shares have been authorized. probably 800 billion or near. however they will not tell you how many that are outstanding, in the float, or retired. could be 800 billion o/s could be 400 billion no way to know for sure since this is a pink sheet.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
Thanks for the visual Bill!
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
we keep hearing about getting results from carolyn or the one we got, 2 flakes of diamond but the truth is we can't expect much from these drilling tests. think about it...from shore gold i think it said they had great results finding 17 to 20 carats per tonne of bulk sampling. lets use 20 carats and for 1 tonne lets say the bed of a pick up truck full & level with the bed top now take 20 - 1 carat diamonds (about the size of a lima bean) and mix that into the pick up bed. now look out your window and picture 400 ft down stacking 20 of these pick up beds on top of each other, ten stacks across & 10 stacks each way now take something the size of your wrist & drill it down into these stacks of pick up beds remembering you have 300 ft deep of dirt before you hit those pick up beds. how many of those diamonds do you think you might hit? i think if you hit any of the diamonds it would be lucky. even if you broke those 1 carat pieces into 10 pieces each. what i'm saying is expecting any real results giving these claims any kind of valuation with 2 1/2 inch drill samples is foolish. not till they find a likely spot & do bulk sampling will any kind of valuation be done & thats at least a yr away if not 2 or 3 yrs.
Posted by sdrobert on :
2 and 1/2 inch are you being sarcastic. You would be lucky to find anything in a 2 1/2 hole. maybe a worm or two if your lucky. why such a small sample?? why not get a bigger sample?
Posted by sdrobert on :
why not break out a shovel and get a pound or two. shovels are cheap
Posted by Upside on :
Bill,
I agree that the chances seem pretty remote but apparently that's the way it's done. I believe that's how the other companies started out also. It appears that's the first step in identifying a target for bulk sampling.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Thanks Upside.
I just called them, the lady answered like she already knew the question
Its 800B as of 8/18.Anybody got CIM divy?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
775-684-5708. Whoever answers the phone will tell you. Just tell them you want the authorized share count of a Nevada corporation. They'll ask the name, just remember to tell them CMKM Diamonds, not CMKX. They might laugh a little (they did with me) because apparently they get quite a few calls about them. Let us know what they say!
Posted by Upside on :
TruthTeller,
That's the same information I got a few weeks ago. I asked her if there could possibly be an increase pending that she wasn't aware of and she did say that they are about a month behind in loading all of the information into the computer so it could have been increased and she wouldn't know about it yet.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i too wonder about the thinking in drilling 2 1/2 inch holes. its not like your looking for a huge chunk of diamond to hit. but if they drill 15 to 20 holes in a 50 sq/yd by 50 sq/yd area they could find enough to pick a place to bulk sample. i'm sure they aren't looking to find the hope diamond in these samples or even a nice tennis braclet.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
why not break out a shovel and get a pound or two. shovels are cheapWould you really want to dig down 400 feet through who knows what just to get a sample ... with shovels?
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~,-,-< GatorMan
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Pumpers Vs Bashers
--About JEFF and EFGI always top on ASK (alone most of the time),it looks like
They are NSSing CMKX (for pumpers)
UC is dumping billions via JEFF/EFGI (for bashers)
--About the dividendsOf the 3 dividends announced so far, only UCAD has some value (even after the restriction).. Why dividends??
Pumpers think the dividends will force MMs cover CMKX, pumpers are so optimistic that MMs will cover the dividends and CMKX..
Bashers think the whole thing is a scam, not a scam that takes UC to jail thoough but a legal scam (oxymoron?). I put myself in bashers' shoes and thought about the dividends and here is my theory, I hope I am wrong in the end because I have 10M of CMKX.
1. First CMKX announced/distributed UCAD divy which is a OTCBB stock. We know if insiders buy/sell their stock. The stock price went up (pumpers and bashers have their own reasons for this, I haven't heard any basher reasoning tho)
2. Then We have CIM which is really useless now. Pumpers say this will force cover. I don't think so as the ratio for this gives a O/S of 1.5T (not 779B).
3. Then we have GEMM (2 times0. I think this is where UC (and co.) getting lots of money (on top of what they already got). CMKX shareholders are going to buy GEMM on the anticipation of a move (like UCAD). What if GEMM dumps shares on to market as there is demand, we don't know since this is a pink sheet company. What UC can do is dump billions of CMKX and drive these other stocks (UCAD, GEMM, SGGM etc.) up at the same time. who owns those other stocks??
--About RG
Pumpers say RG is for the shareholders
Bashers say RG is for UC (only)Just speculation from both sides..
Posted by sdrobert on :
the october surprise is that there isnt one
Posted by tradingpennys on :
LOL LOL
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
the october surprise is that there isnt one
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
GatorMan,Don't know if you saw my previous question.
Repeat. Do you live anywhere near your friend.Upside,
Are you thinking the same thing I am? That they just might increase the authorized without announcing it again? I put my money on an even trillion.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Believe it or not ...... from other board...
www.savefile.com/users/uploads/spiderman_call_to_sos_nev_101804.mp3Sounds unreal
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Posted by Highwaychild on :
Where did all these UCAD shares come from again?
Just 5% of CMKXs' mineral rights?
Do you think that was just for UCADs' health?
I don't, and I think there's probably something behind that divvy.Just don't know what.
Posted by bill1352 on :
TruthTeller
Member posted October 18, 2004 22:38
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Believe it or not ...... from other board... www.savefile.com/users/uploads/spiderman_call_to_sos_nev_101804.mp3
Sounds unreal[This message has been edited by TruthTeller (edited October 18, 2004).]
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from 800 billion to 80 million!!!!!??????? that means only wwjd has real shares all the rest of us have naked shorted shares...lol. for that to happen it would be a 10,000/1 rs or in simple math 1 million shares become 100 shares. i think there would be a few ppl looking to bring stoning back into the law books & i dont mean smoking too many buds.
Posted by bill1352 on :
the voice sounds like sterling by the way and that could be from a few yrs ago.
Posted by Forrestgump on :
I just receive this info in my bank account:
128,000 - CMKM DIAMONDS INC TENDER OFFER SPINOFF ON 5000000 SHS FROM CMKM DIAMONDS INC payable october 20th but no symbol. I was out of the country. For what stock exactly do I receive shares?
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Another speculation is ...800Billion X 0.0001 = $80 Miliion
800B - A/S
0.0001 - Par value (?!?)somebody from NV state office got confused and said 80M shares instead of $80M
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
the voice sounds like sterling by the way and that could be from a few yrs ago.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
TENDER OFFER ??I love those words
quote:
Originally posted by Forrestgump:
I just receive this info in my bank account:
128,000 - CMKM DIAMONDS INC TENDER OFFER SPINOFF ON 5000000 SHS FROM CMKM DIAMONDS INC payable october 20th but no symbol. I was out of the country. For what stock exactly do I receive shares?[This message has been edited by TruthTeller (edited October 19, 2004).]
Posted by valves on :
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces the Success of Its Integrated Business Plan Goes Into Effect in Ecuador
10/19/2004 9:30:00 AM
PORTOVELO, Ecuador, Oct 19, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) headed by its CEO Urban Casavant and his advisory team accompanied by the company's SEC attorney Roger Glen successfully concluded the major ownership acquisition of the established American Mine here in Portovelo today. CMKM Diamonds and its operating partner Minera Nevada SA a subsidiary of Nevada Minerals, Inc. of Las Vegas, Nevada will manage a major corridor of gold production inside this region. The current yield coming through the American Mine is 40 tons of gold ore on a daily average. Alejandro Diaz, president of Minera Nevada SA exclaims, "Within the next 6 working weeks the production will raise to a steady 80 tons of gold ore per work day as we start our second shift of underground mining team." Diaz continues, "All will be done to ramp the mining production to complete our obligations to Yellow river and US Canadian Minerals, Inc. for their addition of two additional mills to Yellow River and the new production facility of the Buza coming on line over the next 90 days to build up to 300 tons of gold ore processing per day to satisfy the volume increase of the American Mine build up of production."The advisory team had members from legal, accounting, operations and feasibility to assess all probabilities on expansion and further development of other opportunities from CMKX, UCAD, and Nevada Minerals. The team was introduced to the on ground executive team that will lead the way through the start up phase one process. US Canadian Minerals CEO Rendal Williams explains, "UCAD has considerable time and dollars invested here in South America, especially Ecuador. We believe there is a major shift of technologies that this region has been starving for and we as UCAD plan to lead the way and share this knowledge with those who wish to expand their current ore production."
The American Mine sits inside the Zaruma-Portovelo Mining District. This district has a recorded historic production of more than 4.5 million ounces of gold and 19 million ounces of silver, as well as significant tonnages of copper, zinc and lead concentrates.
The American Mine located in Portovelo, Ecuador consists of a 100 ton hoist system that will from up to the depth of one of its 13 levels, deliver gold ore to the surface to a 35 ton drop shoot that will be supported by a jaw crusher and a cone crusher to minimize processing time for expedited production flow at the Yellow River Processing Plant. Urban Casavant CEO of CMKX said, "Through the combined efforts of all the parties in this venture we have gathered a new frontier for the well being of our shareholders and company alike. The company will be moving rapidly into a revenue model here in the fourth quarter."
There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
This press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release.
SOURCE: CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
CMKM Diamonds Inc.
Diamonds Hotline:
Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755
Fax: 306-752-3754
Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Look at the pps.. I don't know what to believe..
"The company will be moving rapidly into a revenue model here in the fourth quarter"GLTA!!
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Posted by sarki316 on :
Will
That PR's if you read carefully is the Key to everything. CMKX WILL DO A RUN JUST LIKE UCAD. LOL!!!!!!
Posted by will on :
I'm waiting! 2B traded .0001 / .0002. Let me know when it happens, I'll be away most of the day.
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
Will
That PR's if you read carefully is the Key to everything. CMKX WILL DO A RUN JUST LIKE UCAD. LOL!!!!!!
Posted by glfpimp on :
So what is this new dividend I have. What company?
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Forrestgump:
I just receive this info in my bank account:
128,000 - CMKM DIAMONDS INC TENDER OFFER SPINOFF ON 5000000 SHS FROM CMKM DIAMONDS INC payable october 20th but no symbol. I was out of the country. For what stock exactly do I receive shares?That is your Casavant International Mining shares. 128,000/5,000,000 = 0.0256.
From http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=cmkx ...(payment date 10/18)
Refer to the D/L of 8/30/2004, P/D revised by Co. .0256 of a restricted share of Casavant International Mining for each share held. Will not be quoted Ex.[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 19, 2004).]
Posted by FurrySound on :
Today's PR is very interesting indeed.------------------
FurrySound
-DD-GLTA-Unless I've quoted a source, I know not what I speak of.[This message has been edited by FurrySound (edited October 19, 2004).]
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Gold is sitting at $418.00 US ,
They should be able to produce it at $165- $180 0z.,
depending on grade.
The MMs cannot hold this down much longer...
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Forrestgump:
I just receive this info in my bank account:
128,000 - CMKM DIAMONDS INC TENDER OFFER SPINOFF ON 5000000 SHS FROM CMKM DIAMONDS INC payable october 20th but no symbol. I was out of the country. For what stock exactly do I receive shares?That is your Casavant International Mining shares. 128,000/5,000,000 = 0.0256.
From http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=cmkx ...(payment date 10/18)
Refer to the D/L of 8/30/2004, P/D revised by Co. .0256
of a restricted share of Casavant International Mining
for each share held.
Will not be quoted Ex.[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 19, 2004).]
Posted by safeguard on :
With the latest pr about buying a producing GOLD mined, why isn't the pps skyrocketing this morning??
Posted by JEAL on :
Ok - what gives - this is kinda silly - no pps movement up or down
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Ok - what gives - this is kinda silly - no pps movement up or downI am watching MyTrack, they show NO volume, however they show 970 trades.......
It will be really interesting how this turns out in the future. Perhaps this is another IBZTE!
Steve
Posted by JEAL on :
I am at work and have limited access to anything -Do I underestand that there is no volume?
Do you have Level II?
WHo is whereIf you could relay any of that, it woudl make my day a little brighter
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
I am at work and have limited access to anything -Do I underestand that there is no volume?
Do you have Level II?
WHo is whereIf you could relay any of that, it woudl make my day a little brighter
I don't have L2, but I do see the total volume for the day is 4,888,610,455 at 11:14:19 and last trade at .0002.
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~,-,-< GatorMan
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
I am at work and have limited access to anything -Do I underestand that there is no volume?
Do you have Level II?
WHo is whereIf you could relay any of that, it woudl make my day a little brighter
Jeal,
Since my last post I checked with Medved and they show volume over 365,000,000.
Sorry, I can't help on Level II's.
Who is where? I don't understand your question.
Steve
Posted by JEAL on :
Steve -
Who is where -
Sorry, shoudl have been a little bit more detailed. I was just asking where all the MM's were sitting on the bid and ask. History bing that NITE and JEFF were the big ones to hold it down, and typically when they moved, the rest of the world generally followed.
Thanx
quote:
Originally posted by Esteban:
Jeal,
Since my last post I checked with Medved and they show volume over 365,000,000.
Sorry, I can't help on Level II's.
Who is where? I don't understand your question.
Steve
Posted by safeguard on :
Interesting...
Pink sheets show a Volume: 582,892,960
Ameritrade has: 5,518,315,523A very big difference!
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Steve -
Who is where -
Sorry, shoudl have been a little bit more detailed. I was just asking where all the MM's were sitting on the bid and ask. History bing that NITE and JEFF were the big ones to hold it down, and typically when they moved, the rest of the world generally followed.
Thanx
It really baffles my feeble mind that a stock can trade 1100 times with a volume of 400,000,000 shares and the damn price stays the same!!
Steve
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
Interesting...
Pink sheets show a Volume: 582,892,960
Ameritrade has: 5,518,315,523A very big difference!
Pink sheets show a Volume: 582,892,960 <- this is the amount that has been bought.
Ameritrade has: 5,518,315,523 <- this amount is the TOTAL amount of shares traded. (bought or sold).
Posted by Pappy on :
ETRADE shows 5,637,540,000
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
Pink sheets show a Volume: 582,892,960 <- this is the amount that has been bought.
Ameritrade has: 5,518,315,523 <- this amount is the TOTAL amount of shares traded. (bought or sold).For every buy there is a sell and visa versa so the difference still
doen't make sense
- over 4.9 billion difference...
the 1st # is only 10% of the 2nd #.[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 19, 2004).]
Posted by bill1352 on :
ameritrade has a volume of 5.7 billion (just under) and yes mm's do like to hold down a pps but when the o/s is 779 billion volume would need to be close to 50 billion to get any movement and 45 billion of that would need to be buys. buying the gold mine is a very good thing as it will be yrs before any mining starts in canada but unless cmkx can come out and prove that the o/s is not 779 billion without a huge r/s it doesn't matter.......... by the way only 2 more shopping days till sarki's .10 pps
Posted by JEAL on :
Bill - be nice
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
ameritrade has a volume of 5.7 billion (just under) and yes mm's do like to hold down a pps but when the o/s is 779 billion volume would need to be close to 50 billion to get any movement and 45 billion of that would need to be buys. buying the gold mine is a very good thing as it will be yrs before any mining starts in canada but unless cmkx can come out and prove that the o/s is not 779 billion without a huge r/s it doesn't matter.......... by the way only 2 more shopping days till sarki's .10 pps
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bill1352:
quote:
by the way only 2 more shopping days till sarki's .10 ppsAnd CMKX becoming a fully reporting company.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
Thank you for contacting us today regarding CMKX.The company will be spinning off shares of Casavant Int'l Mining on at a rate of .0256, fractions being dropped. The record date was 8-31-04. This means your CMKX buy trades needed to settle on or before 8-31-04 in order to receive the spin off shares. The payable date was moved from 10-1 to 10-18. Ameritrade has not received any official information as to if the shares will be restricted. Casavant Int'l Mining is not a tradable security at this time.
At this time, the shares have not been delivered to Ameritrade. Once received, we will update your account.
If you have any questions and wish to contact us via e-mail, please log into your account and send your inquiry using the "E-mail Us" link which can be found in the navigation bar at the left side of any page within your account. Select the Reorganization & Dividend Inquiry Form.
Joy Busse
Apex Reorganization and Safekeeping, Ameritrade
Division of Ameritrade, Inc.
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya know i forgot all about that CIM pay date yesterday...hmmmm no naked short squeeze again??? and no word from cmkx on why the huge differance in the split figures compared to the o/s??? i'm shocked. at least they bought a gold mine and even then it didn't say what they used to buy it. lets hope is was that $10 mil. from sggm and not more shares of cmkx
Posted by will on :
Baffled? What's baffling about it? 400,000,000 shares, divide that 780B, that's why. Divide the 5B traded all day by 780B, use 10B because the days only 1/2 over. The 10B volume would only be 1.2% of the O/S, if only half the 780B was float, it still would only be 2.4%, not hardly enough to move the PPS. Don't be baffled, this isn't a low float stock, to say the
least.
quote:
Originally posted by Esteban:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JEAL:
[b]Steve -
Who is where -
Sorry, shoudl have been a little bit more detailed. I was just asking where all the MM's were sitting on the bid and ask. History bing that NITE and JEFF were the big ones to hold it down, and typically when they moved, the rest of the world generally followed.
Thanx
It really baffles my feeble mind that a stock can trade 1100 times with a volume of 400,000,000 shares and the damn price stays the same!!
Steve[/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by JEAL on :
I do have to ask -We ( including myself ) say that the pps cant move because of o/s and a/s and all the uncertainy that goes with it. Yes, we do know that the total o/s or / as was increased, but how did we make such a run in June then - even with such a bizarre share structure.
Any ideas?
Posted by bill1352 on :
its a shame too. if you look at what cmkx & ucad have done in the way of putting together a prescious metal or mineral mining group its a very nice job. in just a few yrs they have working gold mines, equipment & places to do their own separating of ore (mostly ucad), diamonds, uranium claims. a very good piece of work but cmkx shareholders lose out because of the o/s. and it doesn't matter what they mine in a few yrs in canada, diamonds or uranium or both, the o/s kills the shareholder value.
Posted by Doctoall on :
The CIM shares are in my E-trade account as of today and they are restricted as expected.------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by bill1352 on :
JEAL
Member posted October 19, 2004 12:49
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I do have to ask -
We ( including myself ) say that the pps cant move because of o/s and a/s and all the uncertainy that goes with it. Yes, we do know that the total o/s or / as was increased, but how did we make such a run in June then - even with such a bizarre share structure.Any ideas?
===================================my opinion is that was the naked short cover. the mm's forced it up to get ppl to sell. it was also before the 400 billion o/s news came out.
Posted by safeguard on :
Yes, the company has to have a net worth of $80 billion just to make the pps 10 cents.The only thing they can do now to increase shareholder value is buy back and retire shares.
[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 19, 2004).]
Posted by bill1352 on :
in the U.S. a company can not use the estimated value of minerals in the ground in its net worth, only what someone might pay for those claims. which makes getting to $80 billion almost impossible
Posted by bill1352 on :
UC would need to buy back 770 billion shares at a cost of $154 million with a .0002 pps.
Posted by JEAL on :
Shore Gold Inc. - Star diamond project: 1,812 carats to date; 8.1, 6.3 and 3.1 carat diamonds in 222 carat parcel
Tuesday October 19, 12:48 pm ET
Stock Symbol: SGF: TSX-VEN
SASKATOON, SK, Oct. 19 /CNW/ - George H. Read, P. Geo., Senior Vice President Exploration, is pleased to announce the eighth set of diamond recoveries from the Star Kimberlite. The diamond recoveries to date total 1,811.73 carats from 14,575.94 dry tonnes processed. These results are for six kimberlite batches of a total of some 80 to 100 kimberlite batches that will be processed as part of the bulk sampling program on the Star Diamond Project, the aim of which is to recover a parcel of some 3,000 carats for valuation purposes. A total of 1,815 commercial sized diamonds (greater than 1.18 millimetre square mesh screen), collectively weighing 219.02 carats, has been recovered from the treatment of 1,446.61 dry tonnes of kimberlite. Twenty-nine diamonds greater than one carat have been recovered and the four largest stones are: 8.08, 6.28, 3.12 and 3.07 carats, respectively. In addition, 188 diamonds (3.05 carats) were recovered down to 0.85 millimetre square mesh. The colour of 76 percent of these diamonds has been classified as white, with a further 10 percent classified as off-white.
These six kimberlite batches (of a total of 43 processed) have been mined from the Southeast drive (Batches 12A, 32 and 33) and the North drive (Batches 30, 31 and 34) developed from the 235 metre shaft station. All of these kimberlite batches have been recovered from within the Early Joli Fou equivalent kimberlite. Results to date have shown that higher diamond grades are associated with the Early Joli Fou equivalent kimberlite than with the Late Joli Fou equivalent kimberlite. The relationships between these two kimberlites types are illustrated in cross sections available on the Shore Gold website: www.shoregold.com.Batches 35A, 35B, 36, 37, 38A, 38B, 39 and 40 (all from 235 metre level) have been processed on-site and the concentrates dispatched to the sorting laboratory for final diamond recovery. Results from these batches are pending. A total of 16,492 dry tonnes has been processed through the on-site DMS plant. All batches processed to date are classified as crater facies volcaniclastic kimberlites.
Kimberlite processed and diamond results for four sample batches are listed in the table below. Grades are expressed in carats per hundred tonnes (cpht).
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Diamonds Largest
Batch Location Dry Number of Total Grade Stone
No. (metres below surface) Tonnes Stones (carats) (cpht) (carats)
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12A 235 m Level: SE drive 142.94 225 26.48 18.52 3.12
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30 235 m Level: N drive 196.56 258 34.24 17.42 1.77
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31 235 m Level: N drive 240.16 333 39.69 16.53 6.28
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32 235 m Level: SE drive 282.21 385 34.10 12.08 2.30
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33 235 m Level: SE drive 291.58 402 50.85 17.44 8.08
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34 235 m Level: N drive 293.13 400 36.71 12.52 1.12
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Total 1,446.61 2,003 222.07 15.35
-------------------------------------------------------------------------The four largest stones are: 8.08 (Batch 33, Off White), 6.28 (Batch 31,
Off White), 3.12 (Batch 12A, White) and 3.07 (Batch 3 1, White) carats,
respectively. Ten diamonds exceed two carats and 29 diamonds exceed one carat,
of which 22 are white, 4 are off-white, 2 are grey and 1 is brown. A total of
75 diamonds exceed 0.5 carat. Seventy-six percent of the total diamond parcel
is classified white in colour, with a further 10 percent classified as
off-white. The diamond parcel includes 2 pink, 4 yellow and 11 amber stones.
Ninety-nine percent of the carat weight of this parcel occurs in diamonds
greater than 1.18 millimetre square mesh.
Senior Vice President Exploration, George Read, states: "We now have
diamond results for over 10,000 tonnes of Early Joli Fou kimberlite and the
average grade for this kimberlite type remains just over 16 cpht (1,617 carats
from 10,022 dry tonnes). To date, this bulk sampling program has consistently
produced an abundance of large stones and a high proportion of white goods.
The frequency of large stones and the proportion of white goods are very
significant characteristics of the Star diamond population, both of which will
significantly increase the average diamond value".
The diamond recovery procedure includes on site processing of kimberlite
through the modular dense media separator (DMS), after which DMS concentrates
are batch fed through an X-ray Flow-sort. In order to ensure the recovery of
low luminosity diamonds, the Flow-sort tailings are processed over a grease
table. Flow-sort and grease table concentrates are transported by a secure
carrier to SGS Lakefield Research for final diamond recovery. The SGS
Lakefield Research process includes drying, screening, magnetic separation,
manual sorting and diamond weighing and description. SGS Lakefield Research is
accredited to the ISO/IEC 17025 standard by the Standards Council of Canada as
a testing laboratory for specific tests.
Senior Vice President Exploration, George Read, Professional Geoscientist
in the Provinces of Saskatchewan and British Columbia, is the Qualified Person
responsible for the verification and quality assurance of analytical results.
The Star Diamond Project is designed to recover a parcel of at least
3,000 carats of diamonds to enable an accurate valuation of the stones. Up to
25,000 tonnes of kimberlite will be recovered from the shaft and drifts and
processed on site to produce this diamond parcel. Shore is a Canadian based
corporation engaged in the acquisition, exploration and development of mineral
properties. Shares of the Company trade on the TSX Venture Exchange under the
trading symbol "SGF".The TSX Venture Exchange has not reviewed and does not accept
responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this release
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/orgDisplay.cgi?okey=14555For further information
please contact Kenneth E. MacNeill, President & C.E.O.
George Sanders, Vice President Corporate Development
or George H. Read, P. Geo., Vice President Exploration at (306) 664-2202
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by JEAL:
quote:
I do have to ask -
We ( including myself ) say that the pps cant move because of o/s and a/s and all the uncertainy that goes with it. Yes, we do know that the total o/s or / as was increased, but how did we make such a run in June then - even with such a bizarre share structure.Any ideas?
There was an interesting theory on that proposed by DiQuiRiesco a few weeks ago that makes sense. That run corresponded exactly to the time when they were involved in their transfer agent fiasco, switching from one to another then back again. It took about a month during which time the CMKX "printing press" was shut down and were unable to flood the market with shares as they seemed to be doing at the time. The pps rose because the stock was then actually free trading without CMKX dumping shares daily. Unfortunately the same thing probably wouldn't happen now because of how much the o/s has grown since then.
Posted by will on :
"Shore Gold Inc. - Star diamond project: 1,812 carats to date; 8.1, 6.3 and 3.1 carat diamonds in 222 carat parcel
Tuesday October 19, 12:48 pm ET "Look at the detail on that report. Wonderful. What do we get, diamondferus. Big difference, and they say these people are frothcoming.
Posted by sdrobert on :
in etrade if you go to your accounts and balances and then hit the positions tab it says cmkx tender offer next to the cusip number is that because cim is still private?
Posted by JEAL on :
Woo hoo - touched 0.0003
Posted by sharkus on :
CORRECTING and REPLACING CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces the Success of Its Integrated Business Plan Goes Into Effect in Ecuador
Business Wire - October 19, 2004 15:31PORTOVELO, Ecuador, Oct 19, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- In BW5446 issued Oct. 19, 2004: Please replace the release with the following corrected version due to multiple revisions.
The corrected release reads:
CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. ANNOUNCES THE SUCCESS OF ITS INTEGRATED BUSINESS PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT IN ECUADOR
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX) headed by its CEO Urban Casavant and his advisory team accompanied by the company's SEC attorney Roger Glenn successfully concluded the major ownership acquisition of the established American Mine here in Portovelo today. CMKM Diamonds and its operating partner Minera Nevada SA a subsidiary of Nevada Minerals, Inc. of Las Vegas, Nevada will manage a major corridor of gold production inside this region. The current yield coming through the American Mine is 40 tons of gold ore on a daily average. Alejandro Diaz, President of Minera Nevada SA exclaims, "Within the next 6 working weeks the production will raise to a steady 80 tons of gold ore per work day as we start our second shift of underground mining team." Diaz continues, "All will be done to ramp the mining production to complete our obligations to Yellow River and US Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD) for their addition of two additional mills to Yellow River and the new production facility of the Buza coming on line over the next 90 days to build up to 300 tons of gold ore processing per day to satisfy the volume increase of the American Mine build up of production."
The advisory team had members from legal, accounting, operations and feasibility to assess all probabilities on expansion and further development of other opportunities from CMKX, UCAD, and Nevada Minerals. The team was introduced to the on ground executive team that will lead the way through the start up phase one process. US Canadian Minerals CEO Rendal Williams explains, "UCAD has considerable time and dollars invested here in South America, especially Ecuador. We believe there is a major shift of technologies that this region has been starving for and we as UCAD plan to lead the way and share this knowledge with those who wish to expand their current ore production."
The American Mine sits inside the Zaruma-Portovelo Mining District. This district has a recorded historic production of more than 4.5 million ounces of gold and 19 million ounces of silver, as well as significant tonnages of copper, zinc and lead concentrates.
The American Mine located in Portovelo, Ecuador consists of a 100 ton hoist system that will from up to the depth of one of its 13 levels, deliver gold ore to the surface to a 35 ton drop shoot that will be supported by a jaw crusher and a cone crusher to minimize processing time for expedited production flow at the Yellow River Processing Plant. Urban Casavant CEO of CMKX said, "Through the combined efforts of all the parties in this venture we have gathered a new frontier for the well being of our shareholders and company alike. The company will be moving rapidly into a revenue model here in the fourth quarter."
There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
This press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release.
SOURCE: CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
CMKM Diamonds Inc.
Diamonds Hotline:
Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755
Fax: 306-752-3754Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved.
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78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by bill1352 on :
it would be nice for cmkx to say how they paid for that mine. by not saying how we might know where that 300 billion shares went. though that might be a bit much to pay at .0003 it works out to $90 million and further destroys our pps.
Posted by glfpimp on :
Look on the bright side, at the rate we are going, we will soon own a portion of every mining company out there!
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
CMKM DIAMONDS INC TENDER OFFER SPINOFF ON ******** SHS FROM SEC# C013905 CMKM DIAMONDS INCThis is what RBC in Canada is saying about Dividends today on thier website. Tender offer?? interesting!!
Posted by glfpimp on :
I am a little confused about these shares. So the first dividend was restricted UCAD shares correct? And this means that I must hold them for at least a year, then I can sell them. Or, if I hold them for two years I can trade them for unrestricted shares, is this correct?As for the most current. This is a spinoff, so does that mean that these shares really have no value? Or what? Please help, thanks.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
Oooh, look what just showed up in my Ameritrade account:"CMKM DIAMONDS INC CASAVANT RESTRICTED"
Posted by TruthTeller on :
IN AMERITRADE, divy shares described as "CMKM DIAMONDS INC" NOT "CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING"Wussup with dat ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
P.S: (from RB)
bill19336: when I spoke to ETRADE about this very thing this morning, they stated that since CIM is not a publicly traded company , and another company actually had those initials ( CIM) they could not be used, so they issued a registation number, under the temporary heading CMKM Diamonds Inc. tender offer. Hope this helps. p2dny"http:// ragingbull. lycos.com/ mboard/boards.cgi? board=CLB01219&read=102254
[This message has been edited by TruthTeller (edited October 19, 2004).]
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Yeah, Winsum.
Etrade and ssome other brokers show them as "CMKM DIAMONDS INC TENDER OFFER"
quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
Oooh, look what just showed up in my Ameritrade account:"CMKM DIAMONDS INC CASAVANT RESTRICTED"
Posted by Upside on :
glfpimp,
I'm not 100% sure here but the UCAD shares will be restricted for a minimum of one year and can be restricted for longer at the companys discretion. They can also elect to lift the restriction earlier than the one year period, I think. The CIM shares you have or will be receiving shortly are worthless as of right now. CIM is not a publicly held company and until they become one, you can't do anything with those shares.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by TruthTeller:
P.S: (from RB)
bill19336: when I spoke to ETRADE about this very thing this morning, they stated that since CIM is not a publicly traded company , and another company actually had those initials ( CIM) they could not be used, so they issued a registation number, under the temporary heading CMKM Diamonds Inc. tender offer. Hope this helps. p2dny"
.]Truth be told, that was a very helpful explanation. Thanks.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
One person asked earlier how the bid could be .0001 and the ask at .0003, and transactions taking place at .0002.
This is a delimma. Some think it is because they, the mm's use an extra decimal we do not see, The thing about this is that would restrict all buying to mm's, a brokerage or CMKX.It seems to me MM's are loading up at .0002 and all sales will be .0003 and above. I believe they will soon walk this up to take their profits. Don't have a clue how high they will go with it. I guess until they run out of .0002 shares.
My opinion only.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
They asked this post to be circulated. I don't know how they know so take it for what it is worth.
quote:
OT: THIS IS A MUST READ EVERYONE..BRILLIANT STUFF>By: rbitulsa
19 Oct 2004, 02:07 PM EDT
Msg. 102275 of 102352
Jump to msg. #
The SEC is forcing a non-retail covering.This is the last few paragraphs of my previous message, if you want to cut to the chase (the short story, so to speak)
The covering we are seeing right now is essentially a change in accounting for CMKX shares by anyone who is/was a lending member to the DTC for CMKX, who is/was reporting to have a long position of unpledged CMKX shares in their DTC trust account, and further was a lending member who was at the same time selling or brokering the sale of short shares of CMKX, and not settling those sales at the required T+3 (or ever).
The “covering” is taking place on all shares loaned out to the NSCC, by the DTC Member described above; specifically, those shares loaned out in order to cover a retail settlement failure within the DTC system, and retained on the DTC Member’s books as still being owned by the DTC Member. The SEC is requiring that these shares be re-accounted for as sales, rather than loans, and be removed from both the books of the DTC Member Lenders.
Because the share loans (which were done blind to the market) are now sales, these transactions must be accounted for in the market and through the tickers.
Simply put, say JEFF for example was responsible for both facilitating sales of CMKX which never settled, and was receiving back buy-in shares from their own purchases which went unsettled, all while reporting a long position of unpledged CMKX shares into the DTC trust – showing them as available to be borrowed.
The main effects of this covering:
1) It drastically reduces the number of naked short shares in CMKX. In the example (see 58 – 59 above), the short-seller sold 1,000 naked shares into the market (and failed on it’s settlement) but 2,000 shares ended up being legally owned (1,000 by the buyer and 1,000 by the DTC lender). With the accounting change, in this example, there is now only the short-sellers initial settlement failure which remains open, and the buyer becomes the sole owner of the 1,000 shares.
2) As DTC Member Lenders re-account their “loans to the DTC” as sales, it reduces, and likely completely eliminates, their “long positions” in CMKX, which would also significantly reduce, if not completely eliminate, the DTC’s “borrowing pool” for CMKX
When this “phase” of covering is complete, there should be one settlement failure for every fake share held in the retail market.
IMO
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WHAT A GREAT POST...PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS EVERYONE!!!
Oaks (aimho)
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
RJR wrote re a repost:
"They asked this post to be circulated. I don't know how they know so take it for what it is worth."
----------------------------------------RJR - Who is the "they" to whom you refer?
Posted by Upside on :
Morning everyone! Anyone else excited today? Perhaps feeling like a little kid on Christmas Eve? Or did all of you forget what tomorrow is? Tomorrow's Sarki Day when CMKX hits .10 and becomes a fully reporting company! Make those financial plans now as the big windfall hits tomorrow! Remember, he knows things!
Posted by JEAL on :
Upside - you dont seem to be on your best beahviour this morning - be nice now and play well with others.....
Posted by will on :
I think you're playing just fine, UpMan. Outragious claims and people need to be held accountable, less everyone forgets sarki's outlandish claims. It's irresponsible to make such predictions, and it's silly to think you won't be called on them when they fail to materilize.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Morning everyone! Anyone else excited today? Perhaps feeling like a little kid on Christmas Eve? Or did all of you forget what tomorrow is? Tomorrow's Sarki Day when CMKX hits .10 and becomes a fully reporting company! Make those financial plans now as the big windfall hits tomorrow! Remember, he knows things!
Posted by stockguy123 on :
see below, this is posted in my ameritrade acct today. Can someone tell me what the shares are for ?CMKM DIAMONDS INC CASAVANT RESTRICTED
Posted by JEAL on :
Will -Dont disagree - just trying to add some humor to this whole adventure.....
Cheers
Posted by will on :
LOL! I was thinking "it" is humorous enough. They could buy Fort Knox for $10, and the PPS would still be laying there at .0001 - .0003, because of the hillarious amount of O/S.
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Will -Dont disagree - just trying to add some humor to this whole adventure.....
Cheers
Posted by JEAL on :
We all ( myself included _ keep talking about the o/s and the naked shorting. After this latest PR which I have to admit is one of their more detailed and professional ones, I have to really question what is going on. I dont think that this ( no pps movement ) can solely be accountable by
1. Just the o/s
2. Naked Shorting
3. Naught MM's
4. Poor PR's
5. Shareholders in the dark etc...
There really has to be somthing going on, and personally IMO, dont beleive that it is just the o/s - although the math does show that it is possible this is the reason. Anyway, I am holding 5 mil at 0.0001 and am still hoping for the best - not millions, but a nice new small boat would be niceJEAL
quote:
Originally posted by will:
LOL! I was thinking "it" is humorous enough. They could buy Fort Knox for $10, and the PPS would still be laying there at .0001 - .0003, because of the hillarious amount of O/S.
[This message has been edited by JEAL (edited October 20, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by JEAL:
quote:
Anyway, I am holding 5 mil at 0.0001 and am still hoping for the best - not millions, but a nice new small boat would be nice.Well, if it doesn't work out how about a 12 year old bass boat with a 30 horse merc? I'll sell you that pretty cheap!
Posted by JEAL on :
Does it come with daimonds, gold or uranium in it?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by JEAL:
Well, if it doesn't work out how about a 12 year old bass boat with a 30 horse merc? I'll sell you that pretty cheap!
Posted by ed19363 on :
I have a sell order in at .10 for 2M shares. When it sells tomorrow morning, I'm gonna have a party (you are all invited).quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Morning everyone! Anyone else excited today? Perhaps feeling like a little kid on Christmas Eve? Or did all of you forget what tomorrow is? Tomorrow's Sarki Day when CMKX hits .10 and becomes a fully reporting company! Make those financial plans now as the big windfall hits tomorrow! Remember, he knows things!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by JEAL:
quote:
Does it come with daimonds, gold or uranium in it?Nope, just some old dried fish blood.
Posted by JEAL on :
Is that extra?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:Nope, just some old dried fish blood. [/B]
Posted by will on :
I wouldn't be taking my party clothes to the cleaners, there won't be a party if you have to sell at .10 to have it.
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
I have a sell order in at .10 for 2M shares. When it sells tomorrow morning, I'm gonna have a party (you are all invited).
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by JEAL:
quote:
Is that extra?No, but my cleaning of it certainly would be!
Posted by rde3 on :
UCAD and CMKX are going to merge soon. Info found online. That's the reason, everything has not been on the up and up.
Posted by JEAL on :
Please feel free to support it with link....
quote:
Originally posted by rde3:
UCAD and CMKX are going to merge soon. Info found online. That's the reason, everything has not been on the up and up.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by rde3:
UCAD and CMKX are going to merge soon. Info found online. That's the reason, everything has not been on the up and up.Oh? Please post the source.
Posted by bill1352 on :
lets see a company with a 30 million o/s merging with a company with a 779 billion o/s...a company with 3 producing gold mines, equipment to process the ore to at least the first separation, a mine in south america thats close to digging diamonds, about 30% of the fabled sask. diamond claims, property with equipment & buildings to do final refining of ore merging with a company with 1 producing gold mine, 20% of the same diamond claims & 1 shell company & 200 billion shares of a second shell company & 50% of a uranium claim not even tested yet...yep i can see ucad shareholders voting that merger in. it would be a no-brainer, just pass a lot of that aged opium out they found in canadain woods & it would fly
Posted by will on :
Why is that acceptable to not be on the up and up? LOL! Another. "we can't expose the master plan", scenario. C'mon people, there is no justification for the lack of honesty and forthrightness.
quote:
Originally posted by rde3:
UCAD and CMKX are going to merge soon. Info found online. That's the reason, everything has not been on the up and up.
Posted by will on :
"Info found online"
Well, I see how quick that "info" was posted.
Only had 30 minutes to support that claim now.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 20, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
All in anticpation of the 0.10 and fully reporting....this is the start - its all coming to light now...!!!!
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
UPSIDE:
How much do you want for the bass boat?
Aluminum or fiberglass?
Does it float??
Does the motor run?"Well, if it doesn't work out how about a 12 year old bass boat with a 30 horse merc? I'll sell you that pretty cheap!"
[This message has been edited by SmokingUSA (edited October 20, 2004).]
Posted by pikespeakorbust on :
http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-388003-U:UCAD&symbol=UCAD&news_region=UI found this article interesting on the stockwatch website
Posted by bill1352 on :
bet it was zen or sterling or dr. d that said it. one day and not in the near term cmkx will pay off but it wont be by merging with ucad. i wouldn't be suprised if that 200 billion sggm becomes cmkx one day or even CIM with a 200 billion o/s but to go from 779 billion to 30 million??
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
SmokingUSA wrote:
Does it float??
--------------------Not if it has anything to do with CMKX! LOL
That IS a major unknown! LOL
Posted by JEAL on :
What is this link - cant get to it as I am at work, firewall blocked it - and only see the first few lines when you type UCAD nad CMKX merger in to Yahoo....
www.i n v e s t o r s h u b .com/boards/ read_msg.asp?message_id=3126083
Posted by bill1352 on :
Member posted October 20, 2004 16:01
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-388003-U:UCAD&symbol=UCAD&news_region=U
I found this article interesting on the stockwatch website========================================
did you read any of the comments on the bottom of that article??? the first one almost has me ready to sell my cmkx just on principle. to try and quote scripture in defending cmkx???!!!! seriously, anyone thinking thats ok...PLEASE do not drink any kool-aid at the races!!!!!
Posted by pikespeakorbust on :
http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-387111-U:CMKX&symbol=CMKX&news_region=Uanother interesting article
Posted by sdrobert on :
I can see their point of views the thing I dont understand why waste so much time telling people to be carefull of a stock that aint worth a hill of beans. come on .0002 thats really worth spending that much time money and energy telling people to be carefull of it. what about cdvj/pavp and csjj those were horrible. I would not spend that much time putting out article after article on them with so much emotion behind it. honestly I think most have an average position of 20 million shares. at .0002 thats only about 5 grand. for most people thats not our life savings. come on!
Posted by bill1352 on :
By Rebecca Bream and Nicol Degli Innocenti, Financial Times
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — For years, De Beers of South Africa dominated the world diamond market and production was concentrated in southern Africa. But now a number of companies — some big and established, others small upstarts — are seeking to produce the sparklers from other parts of the globe.De Beers says it now controls less than half of rough diamond production, down from a market share of more than 70% 10 years ago. Although about 40% of diamonds still come from Botswana or South Africa, rising prices have stimulated gem exploration and mining in a wider range of countries from Brazil to India.
Diversified mining groups Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton broke into the market in the late 1990s with big projects in Canada, and state-owned production has been increasing in Russia and Angola.
Demand for diamond jewelry is strong in the United States, the main market, but is growing even faster among newly wealthy consumers in China and India.
But existing mine production has peaked, and producers have sold their stockpiles of gems. It has been 10 years since the last significant diamond discoveries — BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto's mines in Canada — and questions over future supply have pushed up prices.
These conditions have enticed more mining companies into the diamond market. Many are pursuing exploration projects discarded by other prospectors when the market was less attractive.
Diamond mining is relatively simple, but it is hard to find a suitable deposit. Kimberlites, deposits of volcanic rock associated with diamonds, occur all over the world, but only 1% contain diamonds and only 1% of those yield enough to be worth mining.
"There are fewer than 20 kimberlites in the world that matter," said Keith Johnson, chief executive of Rio Tinto's diamond division.
Diamond mines are expensive and time-consuming to develop, making it hard for smaller mining companies to succeed without help from a major firm, he said.
Central and West Africa hold great promise for diamond discoveries, analysts say, but past efforts to look for kimberlites have been interrupted by war and civil unrest.
Mano River has formed a joint venture with BHP Billiton to look for diamonds in Sierra Leone, whose civil war was declared over in 2002, and the group also is exploring in neighboring Liberia.
BHP Billiton, with De Beers, is also in talks with the state-owned diamond company in Congo about acquiring projects in that country.
Tony Williams, executive chairman of European Diamonds, said, "New sources of diamonds are very valuable, that is why people are prepared to take political risk in Sierra Leone" or Congo.
His company is hoping to develop a diamond mine in eastern Finland, in an area that shares the same geology as northwestern Russia, home to two large gem deposits.
"Russia is the wild card in the diamond business," said James Picton, a diamond mining analyst at brokerage firm W.H. Ireland Group, who thinks the country could have more diamond-producing potential than Canada.
Many Russian diamond deposits, such as the Grib kimberlite near Arkhangelsk in northwest Russia, have not been fully developed because of legal or financial problems.
Canada, Russia and West and Central Africa are regarded by analysts as the areas where big new diamond discoveries are most likely to be made, but geologists are also active in India and Brazil, encouraged by the two countries' past production of diamonds.
"Historically, India has been the home of some of the largest diamonds ever found," said Melissa Sturgess, chief executive of Dwyka Diamonds, which is exploring in Andra Pradesh with BHP Billiton.
India was the main source of diamonds in the world until 1725, when gems were discovered in Brazil. The South American country then became the leading diamond producer in the 19th century, but supply dwindled in the 20th century and southern Africa came to prominence.
River Diamonds and Brazilian Diamonds are two companies that hope they can revive the industry by using modern exploration technology to locate new deposits.
Despite all the exploration activity taking place elsewhere, Gary Ralfe, De Beers' chief executive, thinks that Botswana and South Africa will remain the main producers.
"The mines in Canada are rich but small and do not have a long life," he said. "Russia has the mine resources to continue to produce its current share of 20% of world production but not to increase it significantly. Looking ahead, there is nothing to disturb southern Africa's position as the greatest source of production."
Posted by sdrobert on :
no good news?? what about their last 7 prs they certainly were not that bad.
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
sdrobert:
You forgot to add MASG and the old Kmart stock to your list!!!!!!
Along with a lot of others if I would go
back in history!!!!QUOTE:
_________________________________________
"sdrobert
Member posted October 20, 2004 16:29 I can see their point of views the thing I dont understand why waste so much time telling people to be carefull of a stock that aint worth a hill of beans. come on .0002 thats really worth spending that much time money and energy telling people to be carefull of it. what about cdvj/pavp and csjj those were horrible. I would not spend that much time putting out article after article on them with so much emotion behind it. honestly I think most have an average position of 20 million shares. at .0002 thats only about 5 grand. for most people thats not our life savings. come on!"
Posted by JEAL on :
All the partners hit hard todaySGGM
GEMM
ECPN
SGF
etc...
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by SmokingUSA:
quote:
UPSIDE:
How much do you want for the bass boat?
Aluminum or fiberglass?
Does it float??
Does the motor run?Smoking,
Thanks for the inquiry but I was just joking around with JEAL. I've got a 1993 or 1994 16' Lund Rebel. I keep it under cover in the winter and I have the motor rebuilt every 2 or 3 years so yeah, it's in pretty good shape. I'm really not selling her though even though I don't have the time to get out much any more. At least not until CMKX hits, then I'll be on the water every day, probably with a new and bigger boat though.
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
Upside:
When it hits, come on up and we could spend the day watersking. Big party up here next
fourth of July!!
May be add a cmkx party along with it!!Quote;
"Thanks for the inquiry but I was just joking around with JEAL. I've got a 1993 or 1994 16' Lund Rebel. I keep it under cover in the winter and I have the motor rebuilt every 2 or 3 years so yeah, it's in pretty good shape. I'm really not selling her though even though I don't have the time to get out much any more. At least not until CMKX hits, then I'll be on the water every day, probably with a new and bigger boat though. "
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by SmokingUSA:
quote:
Upside:
When it hits, come on up and we could spend the day watersking. Big party up here next
fourth of July!!
May be add a cmkx party along with it!!Where are you? I'm in Southeast Wisconsin. Anywhere near there? Hate to ask but can I bring my wife too? LOL
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
Upside:
Heck yeah, bring the wife the more the better!
Approx an hour south of Duluth Mn and approx an hour north of Eau Claire WI...
(Especially if she likes to ski)"Where are you? I'm in Southeast Wisconsin. Anywhere near there? Hate to ask but can I bring my wife too? LOL"
Posted by Upside on :
Piece of cake. 6 hours tops from my place. See ya next 4th. Maybe I'll grab Will and bring his rotten azz along. He's not too far from me either.
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
Upside
You my as well grab Will too!
May be then he won't be so skeptical
about cmkx. Either that or he'll say
I told ya so!!
We'll have to add a cmkx party to this if
all goes well! My wife would really love me for that. I have to run some one just entered my computer!!If you are any where near Kenosha stop and pick up my old buddy!
If you are any where near Kenosha stop and pick up my old buddy!
Posted by bill1352 on :
if cmkx hits I'll join ya if we make it in lake michigan. i'll head out from my backyard into st. clair river, up through lake huron & down lake michigan...lol as i'll be retired & looking for some summer fun. anyways always wanted to go from my house to chicago by water..lol
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
bill1352:
Just sail up to Lake Superior some how
and I'll pick ya up in Superior!!
Heck we my as well make it a CMKX party.
Posted by will on :
OK, you can all wake up now. Plan on being at home next 4th of July. Unless, of course the theme of your party is "I TOLD YA SO"LOL !!!!
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
Will:
You can come even if it turns out to be
an I TOLD YA SO PARTY!!!
You can tell me all day long how much
more gas for the boat I could of had all day LONG!!! LOL!! Well better drop the subject and you guys can start analyzing again and
doing DD and I'll go back to just stopping by to read!!
HAPPY TRADING"OK, you can all wake up now. Plan on being at home next 4th of July. Unless, of course the theme of your party is "I TOLD YA SO"
LOL !!!!"
Posted by sdrobert on :
first where is that info (link) second both bashers and pumpers dont think they will merge.
also what has not been on the up and up. the prs dont seem to be that bad
quote:
Originally posted by rde3:
UCAD and CMKX are going to merge soon. Info found online. That's the reason, everything has not been on the up and up.
Posted by will on :
I pointed out a big difference in the PR's regarding the core samples. Seems eveyone just ignored it, or didn't care.
I've been saying for months most sample reports note the number of hairs on the drill operator's head, ours says, diamnondferus present. Big big, difference regarding detailed reporting.
Those type of incomplete, ambiguous PR's "dont seem to be that bad". The last ten PR's have dividends, share swaps, $, and blah blah blah as subject matter. Some by nature have to be accurate when shares and $ are involved. Past that they're as clear as mud, and as detailed as the universe.
What I'm trying to say is, is it ok, is it good, to use secrecy to not be "on the up and up", or is it good enough to not "seem to be that bad". When you look at well managed companies, do they justify not being forthright with the above excuses?[This message has been edited by will (edited October 20, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
Bill - I am just up the road here - close to London, ON Canada, can I catch a ride - I hate to invist my self, but well - heck........I'll beg.
Posted by Upside on :
Happy Sarki day to one and all. Today is the day that Sarki Claus delivers as promised. Let's hope we all get what we wished for and were promised!
Posted by tradingpennys on :
Is my program wigging out or what...? It says that CMKX closed at .47064 and the AnnHI .33560 with AnnLOW .61392 and now it is back (of course) to 0.0002 WTF is up with that?
Posted by tic_toc on :
LOL sarki claus...t'was the night before filing...
Posted by Bryan_J on :
Sorry for the dumb question here... I am newbie.What does it mean when the volume keeps growing exponentially but the price doesnt budge?
Posted by Doctoall on :
Its called Manupilation------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by tic_toc on :
Or dilution
Posted by will on :
It's called CMKX, of course.
Posted by Bryan_J on :
any chance that it could drop back to .0001? I'm holding a limit there.
Posted by JEAL on :
El Capitan Precious Metals Signs Loi With AuRIC Metallurgical Laboratories to Process Precious Metals From Its El Capitan Mine and Completes $1,000,000 Private Placement
Thursday October 21, 9:59 am ET
PHOENIX, AZ--(MARKET WIRE)--Oct 21, 2004 -- El Capitan Precious Metals, Inc. (OTC BB:ECPN.OB - News) announced today the signing of a Letter of Intent with AuRIC Metallurgical Laboratories, LLC whereby AuRIC will be installing processes to recover the precious metals separated from the iron ore mined at the Company's El Capitan Mine in New Mexico. AuRIC has already begun work at the mine that will continue as the parties work to execute a definitive agreement, which is anticipated to occur in the next thirty days.The Company intends to produce a pelletized magnetic fraction mined from El Capitan for the sale and shipment to various US steel companies. Meanwhile, for the next six months AuRIC will be continuing its ongoing research and development efforts and start the construction of a 10 tons per day Pilot Scale Precious Metals Recovery facility to process the non-magnetic fraction of the ore.
"The potential of producing precious metals while making a high-grade, pelletized iron ore product from the El Capitan site is very exciting and we are pleased to participate in this leading edge opportunity," AuRIC Managing Partner, Ahmet Altinay said.
The Company also announced it has completed a $1,000,000 private placement of common stock and warrants. This placement was led by Perkins Capital Management of Minneapolis, Minnesota.
El Capitan President/CEO, Chuck Mottley stated, "AuRIC is known in the mining industry as a leader in the recovery of platinum and palladium. The $1,000,000 in new capital will allow us to accelerate our mining plans to help meet our current demand for iron-ore and potentially prove up the levels of platinum and other precious metals at El Capitan.
"This is a very exciting time for the El Capitan shareholders. We believe we are well positioned to benefit from both the world-wide shortage of iron ore and possibly a platinum discovery much larger than we originally believed," Mr. Mottley continued.
El Capitan Precious Metals, Inc. is a development stage company that owns a 40% interest in the El Capitan mine located near Capitan, New Mexico as well as a joint venture and 20% ownership of 13 mining claims and other assets known as the C.O.D. Property located near Kingman, Arizona.
Posted by JEAL on :
It has touched there in the last few days - really hard to tell.
quote:
Originally posted by By-Hi/Sell-Lo:
any chance that it could drop back to .0001? I'm holding a limit there.
Posted by ludinlo on :
Can anybody tell me why the volume is high on this stock and she is not moving?
Posted by Upside on :
Same answer as always ludinlo. The volume as a percent of the o/s is miniscule. It's nowhere near the volume needed to create pressure either up or down.
Posted by Waveslider on :
quote:
Originally posted by pikespeakorbust:
http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-388003- U:UCAD&symbol=UCAD&news_region=UI found this article interesting on the stockwatch website
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Supreme Court of British Columbia Slams Stockwatch
« Thread started on: Today at 11:30am »
Posted by: zeninvestor32 Date:10/21/2004 11:37:29 AM
Post # 18983 http://tinyurl.com/6c5ahREAD THIS
Great find by Nuffy on the CMKX thread. Read this and you will never believe another word from Stockwatch "journalists" again. Note the initial comment from the Supreme Court of British Columbia "the conduct of the defendants in the conduct of this action and in the manner on which it reported on the proceedings was sufficiently reprehensible as to merit an award of special costs." Also, this was great: "the Mudry [stockwatch "reporter"] articles were one-sided, harsh and contained extravagant epithets such as the characterization of Dr. Ager as "a peddler of worthless salted property"". LOL Oh just read it. It's a hoot. And pretty good insight into whether or not you should read one word of Lee Webb.
http://www.lawsonlundell.com/resources/DefamationBriefingNote_June2003.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ey4yAlso for another hoot, check out this link, wherein poor little Canjex Publishing, owner of Stockwatch cries and cries about how poor they are and how this suit will possibly bankrupt them because they have nooooo money. I leave it up to you, the reader, to decide if you think Stockwatch is really a penniless, no-asset company or simply a shell for the much larger short hedge funds to continue to publish hatchet jobs with impunity on stocks they could be shorting. You know MY opinion.
http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/Jdb-txt/CA/03/06/2003BCCA0612.htm http://tinyurl.com/6fqmdZ
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Come on, Doji, no one has to sell a hatchet job on CMKX. They do it to themselves time after time.Is it still Sarki day? LOL
Posted by will on :
Wonder if I can get sarki to buy just 1/2M of my shares of this crap at .10. Shucks, for that matter I'd take .01, sarki man.
Two more hours and I think your credibility is completely gone. Your predicting days should end now, sarki. Keep your inside, my sources told me information, to yourself.
Posted by JEAL on :
Good find - worth a read if nothing else
quote:
Originally posted by Waveslider:
Posted by JEAL on :
Well there you go Hi / Low - 0.0001
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
It has touched there in the last few days - really hard to tell.
Posted by will on :
It's been trading between .0001 & .0003 for weeks. Try to buy at .0001, then try to sell at .0003, .0002 might even be difficult to sell at.
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Well there you go Hi / Low - 0.0001
Posted by JEAL on :
Will -Havent added anything since my original purchase earlier this year at 0.0001. Are you finding it difficult to change it up between 0.0001 and 0.0003?
quote:
Originally posted by will:
It's been trading between .0001 & .0003 for weeks. Try to buy at .0001, then try to sell at .0003, .0002 might even be difficult to sell at.
Posted by bill1352 on :
so where's our boy sarki??? lol. he's ok just a bit excitable at least he has a positive attitude without the wild theories, just wild pps increases...lol. one day he may be right, just not today.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
You can't buy at 0001 (been trying). just another gamble.
I am not trying to sell at 0002, I dont know if you can sell for 0002.
By the way..forget about Melvin's and Sarki's dates. UC specified a concrete date (month end) in his webcast. We will know something abt reporting by then.. 6 more trading days..
Will see.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
It's been trading between .0001 & .0003 for weeks. Try to buy at .0001, then try to sell at .0003, .0002 might even be difficult to sell at.
[This message has been edited by TruthTeller (edited October 21, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
NOPE. Bought back in March and April, ain't tried to buy or sell since. I'm just betting there isn't anyone buying at .0001 and selling at .0003. If there is, I'd like to hear from them.
My point is/was, been hitting .0001, .0003 regularly for weeks now, it isn't anything new, but those buys and sells seem to be between MM's not the public.
I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Anyone having success at those buy and sell levels, let us know.
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Will -Havent added anything since my original purchase earlier this year at 0.0001. Are you finding it difficult to change it up between 0.0001 and 0.0003?
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
Is it still Sarki day? LOLYes it is and I for one am disapointed. Hung my stocking by the chimney with care last night and old Sarki Claus only filled it with kimberlite that was completely devoid of diamonds. Must have come from the Carolyn pipe.
Posted by bill1352 on :
will...wwjd said the other day she was buying at .0002 but i don't think she tried selling.
Posted by will on :
She bought, or intended to buy at .0002?
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
will...wwjd said the other day she was buying at .0002 but i don't think she tried selling.
Posted by dwman on :
I picked up a million yesterday and another million today at .0002. I didn't think an order would fill at .0001. I may try that tomorrow.
Posted by will on :
OK sarki, looks like a .0002 close, you just missed by .0998 cents. not bad.
Time to pack your prediction bag and quiet yourself. You may try again when it hits .001.
CDVJ at .25 by years end, and CMKX .10 by October 21. Strike one, and Roger Clemens is winding up to serve you that CDVJ strike two.
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
I picked up a million yesterday and another million today at .0002. I didn't think an order would fill at .0001. I may try that tomorrow.I've had an open buy order for 2M @ .0001 since 10/6.
Posted by tigertony on :
Does this mean that sarki's deep throat undercover source was just a blowup doll full of air.Actually he was close they are fully distorting.LOL Good Luck and who knows maybe by christmas with alot of luck there will be diamonds,you just have to squeeze that lump of coal real real hard.
Posted by JEAL on :
Yahoo shows that the last trade on CMKX was at 3:32 as of 4:19Does anyone see that or find it odd?
Posted by tradingpennys on :
I sold a million at .0002 last week and then today I sold another million at .0002. Today's sell took 4 1/2 hrs. to finally go through.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
NOPE. Bought back in March and April, ain't tried to buy or sell since. I'm just betting there isn't anyone buying at .0001 and selling at .0003. If there is, I'd like to hear from them.
My point is/was, been hitting .0001, .0003 regularly for weeks now, it isn't anything new, but those buys and sells seem to be between MM's not the public.
I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Anyone having success at those buy and sell levels, let us know.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
I've had an open buy order for 2M @ .0001 since 10/6.lol
I guess I won't bother then. Ain't gonna happen.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Does this mean that sarki's deep throat undercover source was just a blowup doll full of air.Actually he was close they are fully distorting.LOL Good Luck and who knows maybe by christmas with alot of luck there will be diamonds,you just have to squeeze that lump of coal real real hard.If we find tons and tons of diamonds, lumps of coal is not what we will squeeze out of the MMs. lol
Posted by tigertony on :
I hear you we would all like to get a hold of these mm guys.They are like gods and control the market fate to a good degree.Good Luck
Posted by dwman on :
Does this mean we are being taken to the cleaners.... http://www.laundrytoday.com/archives/vol_7_2/mission_industries.htmIt seems D W Doc Wiener is involved in the laundry business as well as in D W Ventures which shows up on the following claim map.
http://www.explorationgis.com/falc_detail.html
Posted by Ruh916 on :
Here are the cmkx pics from Ecuador, Roger Glenn is in there too.
http://www.cmkxpics.com/ecuador/
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Does this mean we are being taken to the cleaners.... http://www.laundrytoday.com/archives/vol_7_2/mission_industries.htmIt seems D W Doc Wiener is involved in the laundry business as well as in D W Ventures which shows up on the following claim map.
http://www.explorationgis.com/falc_detail.htmlAfter further checks, it seems that there is a Canadian company called D W Ventures and it does not seem to be related to the Nevada company. Sorry.
Posted by will on :
So, no buys at .0001, and no sells at .0003?
Posted by Upside on :
Hey Will,
Did you see the link to the Ecuador pics that Ruh420 posted? There's also pictures there of the Chicago races. See anyone you recognize?
Posted by Upside on :
For anyone interested, heres a link to a picture of Will & me at the Chicago races:
http://www.cmkxpics.com/chicago/pages/way-2-cute_jpg.htmI'm the one in the shorts.
[This message has been edited by Upside (edited October 21, 2004).]
Posted by Highwaychild on :
From what I heard on here, probably the who's hungry pic.That's Will making his plate...with the Jeff Arend shirt and Got CMKX hat.Am I right?HA HA HA!
http://www.cmkxpics.com/chicago3/pages/who's-hungry_jpg.htm[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 21, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
You're close Highway. Will's the one on the right holding the tray.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
HE HE HE,funny stuff.
Posted by bigeezee on :
New Theory:
This stock is like a baby pigeon.Anybody ever see a baby pigeon? I know I never have, but there has to be baby pigeons, right!
Don't worry, this will one day be a pigeon if your patient.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:
New Theory:
This stock is like a baby pigeon.
Anybody ever see a baby pigeon? I know I never have, but there has to be baby pigeons, right!Don't worry, this will one day be a pigeon if your patient.
Yeah, and there's also baby lions and grizzly bears that everyone seems to love when they're young and then one day when you least expect it, they kill you.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ever visited that square in Venice that is really loaded with pigeons? There's also a lot of sh:t to duck and step around. LOL
Posted by sdrobert on :
Ok I finaly lost my patients Ive put an sell order in for 10,500,000 for .10 I am going to leave it there even if it doesnt sell to Im 65 I think that would make a nice retirement.
Posted by will on :
Yea by then the price of a bullet might be 10,500,000 times .0002, and you can retire yourself with one in the temple.
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
Ok I finaly lost my patients Ive put an sell order in for 10,500,000 for .10 I am going to leave it there even if it doesnt sell to Im 65 I think that would make a nice retirement.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
how did the party go i missed it lol
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
I have a sell order in at .10 for 2M shares. When it sells tomorrow morning, I'm gonna have a party (you are all invited).
Posted by Bialystock on :
Well I admit I haven't been following this one as closely as I used to, since it's been stuck for a while now, but I just checked my Ameritrade account and see that in addition to my UCAD shares I now have:CMKM DIAMONDS INC CASAVANT RESTRICTED
I thought I would see CIM shares...is that what these are? Thanks for any help.
Posted by tigertony on :
LMAOquote:
Originally posted by will:
Yea by then the price of a bullet might be 10,500,000 times .0002, and you can retire yourself with one in the temple.
Posted by Az...Cats on :
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
I sold a million at .0002 last week and then today I sold another million at .0002. Today's sell took 4 1/2 hrs. to finally go through.
Why in the world would you be selling at these prices anyway. Have you gone LOCO. They are getting ready to go fully reporting and your selling. Big mistake!
Posted by Az...Cats on :
quote:
Originally posted by Bialystock:
Well I admit I haven't been following this one as closely as I used to, since it's been stuck for a while now, but I just checked my Ameritrade account and see that in addition to my UCAD shares I now have:CMKM DIAMONDS INC CASAVANT RESTRICTED
I thought I would see CIM shares...is that what these are? Thanks for any help.
Yes those are CIM shares. They will play a big part in Roger's plan IMHO
Posted by Az...Cats on :
quote:
Originally posted by sdrobert:
Ok I finaly lost my patients Ive put an sell order in for 10,500,000 for .10 I am going to leave it there even if it doesnt sell to Im 65 I think that would make a nice retirement.If you can hold to your word, That would be better than any 401k plan 100fold. It will be tough to hold through the ups and downs, but those who do hold will be very very wealthy in 20 yrs. I put 2 mill. shares in my IRA account for retirement. Smartest thing I have ever done IMO.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Unfortunately Sarki never called me, so I had to cancel the party. Maybe next decade.
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
how did the party go i missed it lol
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Yea by then the price of a bullet might be 10,500,000 times .0002, and you can retire yourself with one in the temple.
Will, I've always valued much of what you post. However, I'm a bit surprised at the above post. That's not funny. Obviously you are not nearing retirement and I KNOW you don't have much hope for this stock. Please don't dampen the hope that others have. Thanks.
Posted by will on :
C'mon dw, don't be such a stick in the mud. It was humor, my friend, lighten up. Things aren't bullet gloomy yet. Was a joke, dw, if it offended you, I'm sorry. Next time I'll include the (LOL!), ok.
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Will, I've always valued much of what you post. However, I'm a bit surprised at the above post. That's not funny. Obviously you are not nearing retirement and I KNOW you don't have much hope for this stock. Please don't dampen the hope that others have. Thanks.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
C'mon dw, don't be such a stick in the mud. It was humor, my friend, lighten up. Things aren't bullet gloomy yet. Was a joke, dw, if it offended you, I'm sorry. Next time I'll include the (LOL!), ok.
Will, because you have always been such a realist about this stock, sometimes it seems you have completely given up on it. I thought that was out of character for you. I hope you have tons of this stock and will be pleasantly surprised soon. You're a good guy. Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by Bialystock on :
quote:
Originally posted by Az...Cats:
Yes those are CIM shares. They will play a big part in Roger's plan IMHOThanks AZ.
Posted by glfpimp on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Yeah, and there's also baby lions and grizzly bears that everyone seems to love when they're young and then one day when you least expect it, they kill you.Thats funny.
Posted by sarki316 on :
Guys I am back. Before you say anything I found out that CMKX has filed there papars to the SEC to become fully reporting and the 21 of October was the date it supposed to get approved from the SEC However CMKX is still waiting for the SEC to approve it.IT WILL GET APPROVED. Bash me all you want but I get my info from my friend who works for BEAR STERNS. He is the one who told me about SIRI AND I BUY 300,000 SHARES AT 0.80 A SHARE. MY FRIEND KNOWS PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE LAW FIRM WHERE DR. ROGER GLENN WORKS. HE ALSO SAID ROGER GLENN IS A VERY POWERFUL MAN.
FOR NOW ON I WONT POST MY DATES ANYMORE. I WAS JUST SHARE MY INFO. CMKX WILL NOT BE AT 0.0002 FOR A LONG TIME. OCT 31 IS NEXT SUNDAY AND WE WILL FIND OUT ALOT OF INFO BY THEN.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Thanks Sarki: For having the balls to come back to the CMKX thread. All information is welcomed and I know that this stock has potential. Sorry that we did not have a party on the 21st, but party time IMO will come with this stock. Welcome Back------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Sarki wrote:
FOR NOW ON I WONT POST MY DATES ANYMORE. I WAS JUST SHARE MY INFO. CMKX WILL NOT BE AT 0.0002 FOR A LONG TIME. OCT 31 IS NEXT SUNDAY AND WE WILL FIND OUT ALOT OF INFO BY THEN.
--------------------------------Since when has "OCT 31" not been a date? LOL
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by sarki316:
quote:
Guys I am back.Allright!!! Happy days are here again!
Posted by sarki316 on :
wallace the shareholders party is from the 29-31 of Octber. I have been reading from other boards that ROGER GLENN will make a speech regarding CMKX. If that is true we will have to wait and see.WALLACE HOW MANY SHARES OF CMKX DO YOU OWN.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Wonder if Roger will mention the reverse split, or just let us be surprised by it.....ROFL
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh, my....I just got an email from my brother's aunt's boyfriend's ex-wife's new husband that CMKM will hit $1 a share within the next year....trying to confirm that now.
Posted by JEAL on :
Team -We all talk about the negative impacts of all the developments and the "let downs" that we have had, and how the pps doesnt move and the shareholders are lef tin the dark and are taken an advantage of.....
However, we know that a r/s is not 100% out of the question, we also know that one way to get the pps to move would be to reduce the o/s by having UC retire them.
Can we brainstorm anything that this organization could do that could change this around....? Even if they found dimaonds of significant value, from what I understand from more experinced people is that the o/s is so high, that it wouldnt move....
What else could they do that is "outside the box" that would help move the pps?
Posted by Upside on :
Ed, come on now, this is sarki we're talking about here. He's our current day Nostradamus with his uncanny ability to see the future. It's actually a little scary how clearly he sees what to the rest of us is just a clouded picture of days yet to unfold. That is the one known as sarki. Please sarki, take us by the hand and guide us to the CMKX promised land!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by JEAL:
quote:
What else could they do that is "outside the box" that would help move the pps?Shoot Melvin.
Posted by JEAL on :
Upside -Anything constructive?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by JEAL:
Shoot Melvin.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:
Upside -
Anything constructive?Unfortunately, no.
Posted by bill1352 on :
come on guys...sarki is ok. he gives us positive pps dates without long winded fantasy stories. i'll take sarki any day over zen, dr. d or sterling. keep the guessing coming sarki dont let a bit of ribbing get ya down. one of these time ya might be right and the last laugh will be on us not to mention a very nice profit margin
Posted by bill1352 on :
Upside
Member posted October 22, 2004 13:22
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originally posted by JEAL:quote:
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What else could they do that is "outside the box" that would help move the pps?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------bill gates could become one of the cmkx faithfull or maybe if we are real lucky oprah
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bill1352:
quote:
bill gates could become one of the cmkx faithfull or maybe if we are real lucky oprahLOL bill but thats about as constructive as my suggestion!
Posted by JEAL on :
Rather disappointing -Tried for some constructive discussions, input and the opportunity for points of view and end up with sarcasm.....
Posted by ed19363 on :
IMO, the only way to fix CMKX is a reverse split, on the order of 1 to 100,000. Even if we discover diamonds, and all kinds of precious metals, only a R/S will bring about a PPS rise....and again, THIS IS AN OPINION!!!!
Originally posted by JEAL:
Rather disappointing -Tried for some constructive discussions, input and the opportunity for points of view and end up with sarcasm.....[/QUOTE]
Posted by TradingWizard on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Rather disappointing -Tried for some constructive discussions, input and the opportunity for points of view and end up with sarcasm.....
I second that JEAL.
My interpretation of their comments.
Upside: 'Shoot Melvin.' - PERSONAL VENDETTA
bill1352: 'bill gates could become one of the cmkx faithfull or maybe if we are real lucky oprah' - PRIVATE PLACEMENT
Posted by bill1352 on :
JEAL
Member posted October 22, 2004 13:59
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Rather disappointing -
Tried for some constructive discussions, input and the opportunity for points of view and end up with sarcasm.....===========================
not really trying to be sarcastic JEAL sorry you took it that way just aiming for humor in a bad situation. truth is with the o/s were it is no news can move it much. something has to be done about the o/s first
Posted by JEAL on :
Thats all I am after is opinion - no one knows for sure - its all speculation. - thanks for the input
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
....and again, THIS IS AN OPINION!!!!
Originally posted by JEAL:
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Posted by bill1352 on :
with 45,000 faithful i'd say a 40/1 r/s would do the trick. if the o/s was taken down to 20 to 40 billion and there was no naked shorting and the a/s was reduced to the o/s level there wouldn't be an unheld share on the market and most of that would be held by the cmkx cult, (for lack of better term)most of those would never see the market. any buys would drive up the pps because of supply & demand
Posted by JEAL on :
Bill - thats what I am getting at....its been mentioned here a 1000 times. The o/s is out to lunch, a definite hurdle to overcome - now how? Retire? More business acquisitions? These are common answers. Is there any "out of the box" ideas.
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
JEAL
Member posted October 22, 2004 13:59
Posted by bill1352 on :
if this new gold mine can bring in steady income meaning UC doesn't need to sell shares to keep going with the search for diamonds & can fund cmkx's part of the uranium claims search then an r/s down to 40 billion and proof the a/s was reduced to the same number could alone drive the pps up with the following cmkx has. then any good news on the uranium front, probably the first to be found, could really send it flying as there wouldn't be any shares left on the sell side only ppl taking profits
Posted by JEAL on :
Bill - thanks for the "constructive" input.The one thing that I think you really struck a note on is the fact of steady income. I think this is definelty s astep in order to be 100% reporting with proper intentions.
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
if this new gold mine can bring in steady income meaning UC doesn't need to sell shares to keep going with the search for diamonds & can fund cmkx's part of the uranium claims search then an r/s down to 40 billion and proof the a/s was reduced to the same number could alone drive the pps up with the following cmkx has. then any good news on the uranium front, probably the first to be found, could really send it flying as there wouldn't be any shares left on the sell side only ppl taking profits
Posted by bill1352 on :
truth is JEAL i dont think a 40 billion o/s would work for any company on the market except cmkx because of its following and that is out of the box. i'd love to have 100 million shares of cmkx and then an 40/1 r/s but before all the dividends were paid with the split numbers on the dividends sometime in the next yr .you could be sitting mighty pretty[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
I think I have to agree with you - 40 billion is still borderline ridiculous. However the steady income I think is the key....and the precieved potential with the uranium claims also puts a pretty wicked twist to all of this....Question? If / when CMKX does become reporting, so they have the opportunity again to change their legal entity nanme and/or ticker symbol w/o effect to anything?
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
truth is JEAL i dont think a 40 billion o/s would work for any company on the market except cmkx because of its following and that is out of the box. i'd love to have 100 million shares of cmkx and then an 40/1 r/s but before all the dividends were paid with the split numbers on the dividends sometime in the next yr .you could be sitting mighty pretty[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
Hey JEAL, I apologize too if I offfended you or anyone else for that matter, that wasn't the intent, just lightening things up on a rather boring day. Anyway, you want "outside the box" things they can do? Ok. First get rid of Melvin (no, I don't mean shoot him) and replace him with someone who is not an embarrasment. Second, announce a reverse split of both the o/s and a/s and couple it with a p/r detailing their business plan for the next 5 years with year by year projections. Third, eliminate all ties to funny cars, motorcycles, racing trucks, etc.To most companies this is not "outside the box" thinking, it's called honoring your corporate responsibility to the shareholders. CMKX apparently does not believe it has any responsibility to anyone other than its own group of self-serving insiders nor do they have or follow any code of ethics whatsoever. In short, "outside the box" to CMKX would be to do what most companies do as a normal course of business.
Posted by tigertony on :
The company needs to announce a major and i do mean major buyback and retirement of shares.If not,with the numbers,i would say about a 1 for 5,000 r/s.Being fully reporting won't help much.This is one you will have to sit on a long time.Need alot of changes and alot of things to fall just right for this situation to work out at all. IMHO.Good Luck
Posted by bill1352 on :
say you had 100 million shares getting all the dividends...the pps was around .0004... thus costing $40,000 you would have 2,850 ucad shares after their split say at $5 pps a yr from now or $14,250.00 plus another $5,000 in gemm half your cost of cmkx and after a 40/1 r/s you'd have 2.5 million shares at about .008 with todays pps or $20,000 in cmkx. a yr from now a good diamond report & a good uranium report is possible and with the cmkx cult holding a .10 pps is possible thus also driving the ucad up. i'd say a very good profit could be made
Posted by JEAL on :
Upside - no offense taken - I do have some frsutrations with this board sometimes though.I agree with you in the business plan, and maybe with any luck, and this "fully reporting" scenario, maybe Mr. Glenn is helping is this as well - who knows.
Regarding the motorsports adventures, I dont really see this as a problem - corportate sponsorship - is a multi billion dollar campaign for everyone. HOWEVER !! I do agree, that before they issue PR's on such, the true priority should be on things such as business plans and updates on exisiting programs / projects...
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Hey JEAL, I apologize too if I offfended you or anyone else for that matter, that wasn't the intent, just lightening things up on a rather boring day. Anyway, you want "outside the box" things they can do? Ok. First get rid of Melvin (no, I don't mean shoot him) and replace him with someone who is not an embarrasment. Second, announce a reverse split of both the o/s and a/s and couple it with a p/r detailing their business plan for the next 5 years with year by year projections. Third, eliminate all ties to funny cars, motorcycles, racing trucks, etc.To most companies this is not "outside the box" thinking, it's called honoring your corporate responsibility to the shareholders. CMKX apparently does not believe it has any responsibility to anyone other than its own group of self-serving insiders nor do they have or follow any code of ethics whatsoever. In short, "outside the box" to CMKX would be to do what most companies do as a normal course of business.
Posted by tigertony on :
They need to come up with something real soon.I don't see ucad being able to hold value,with no cash on hand and no revenues,pretty soon people will see between the smoke and mirrors.can someone tell me what ucad has done,other than invest money that they did'nt have (who knows where it came from) and invest in cmkx who has nothing either yet.I truly don't know how anyone that DD ucad could buy it.Someone tell me what i am missing seriously.Thanks
Posted by bill1352 on :
ucad will have cash & revenues on the next report they have had at least 2 gold shipments & more coming plus investment cash the next report will not be like the last report
Posted by CJEWingnut on :
FYI...I've had sells in for .0002 and .0003 in the last week...nothing going through.
Posted by tigertony on :
Thanks for info,if thats the case and they continue it will help.But pps for them compared to where they are as a company is way off.I expect price to still drop a ways.IMHO Good Luck
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by JEAL:
quote:
Regarding the motorsports adventures, I dont really see this as a problem - corportate sponsorship - is a multi billion dollar campaign for everyone.With all due respect, I see it as one huge migraine headache of a problem, here's why. Prior to CMKX/CMKM/CMKI Mr. Casavant, while maybe comfortable, was by no means an extremely wealthy individual. I bought into his diamond exploration business before there was even a thought of funny cars. I now see very little of my investment money going towards what I chose to invest in. What I do see is a lot, and I do mean a lot, of OUR money going towards a funny car and other racing ventures. I witnessed this first hand at the Chicago races and believe me, there is serious, serious money being spent by the company to support this racing effort. Urban could not have afforded this on his own so guess what, you, me, and 40 some thousand other investors are paying for it. This racing circuit they're on has to be costing them millions of dollars per season and they've already said they plan on having a bigger presence next season. I've stood next to the car and believe me, they are not getting much if anything in advertising revenue through the selling of ad space on the car. The biggest one on it was for a mortgage company in Las Vegas and that was maybe 6" x 8". Now, imagine if all of those dollars had instead been poured into what all of us invested in. Assuming everything the company says is true and we actually hold all of those land claims, do you know what could have been accomplished in that same time frame? Instead we know of one set of samples from a known empty pipe. Everything else is rumor. Yet here everyone sits and instead of literally striking up a posse and demanding answers, we spin wild, outlandish fantasies to reassure ourselves that everything will be fine. How this company earned this kind of faith from its shareholders is beyond me. What they have in fact earned is what should be the loudest outcry ever heard from a group of investors. Something akin to "Horton Hears a Who" only this one would be "Urban Hears a Lawsuit". Sadly though, it will never happen. The racing side of CMKX will continue to flourish while the diamond/mineral side will take the back seat.
Posted by JEAL on :
Upside - the respect comment was appreciated - but not absolutely neccessay.
You do make some very valid comments. The only thing I can say in return, is that my investments with CMKX has been 7 months. It appears yours, is much longer. My true hopes are that, although we are sponsoring tuck eries, motorcycles and drag cars etc..it show that there is money ( besides ours ). I truly hope that this unfolds to prove such.
I do honestly beleive that something will take place in the next 1 -2 weeks and yes, it may be assocaited with this joint UCAD/CMKX party.
If not, then UC,RG,RW are truly brave in such an invitation of a large mast of people.
For the most part, I respect your insights and thoughts, as you have made some truly valuable comments. But with CMKX in the spotlight by many - manily due to share volume - not PR and business plans, do you honestly beleive that this is as corrupt as many try to point too?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by JEAL:
With all due respect, I see it as one huge migraine headache of a problem, here's why. Prior to CMKX/CMKM/CMKI Mr. Casavant, while maybe comfortable, was by no means an extremely wealthy individual. I bought into his diamond exploration business before there was even a thought of funny cars. I now see very little of my investment money going towards what I chose to invest in. What I do see is a lot, and I do mean a lot, of OUR money going towards a funny car and other racing ventures. I witnessed this first hand at the Chicago races and believe me, there is serious, serious money being spent by the company to support this racing effort. Urban could not have afforded this on his own so guess what, you, me, and 40 some thousand other investors are paying for it. This racing circuit they're on has to be costing them millions of dollars per season and they've already said they plan on having a bigger presence next season. I've stood next to the car and believe me, they are not getting much if anything in advertising revenue through the selling of ad space on the car. The biggest one on it was for a mortgage company in Las Vegas and that was maybe 6" x 8". Now, imagine if all of those dollars had instead been poured into what all of us invested in. Assuming everything the company says is true and we actually hold all of those land claims, do you know what could have been accomplished in that same time frame? Instead we know of one set of samples from a known empty pipe. Everything else is rumor. Yet here everyone sits and instead of literally striking up a posse and demanding answers, we spin wild, outlandish fantasies to reassure ourselves that everything will be fine. How this company earned this kind of faith from its shareholders is beyond me. What they have in fact earned is what should be the loudest outcry ever heard from a group of investors. Something akin to "Horton Hears a Who" only this one would be "Urban Hears a Lawsuit". Sadly though, it will never happen. The racing side of CMKX will continue to flourish while the diamond/mineral side will take the back seat.[This message has been edited by JEAL (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by tigertony on :
Upside,its basic economics.The company has no income and they need funding for racing.Company sponsors it Upside pays for it.You should be proud everytime that car makes it down the track,you helped make it possible.Company's sponsor race cars all the time,of course them and there shareholders are profitable,broke and pps at0.00002,you would think pissed off shareholders,But not the mesmorized cmkx followers,its all good.Remember its part of a never seen before in the history of stocks,0.0002 short of the century.Congratulations (company,diamonds income) we don't need no stinkin diamonds.We got the cmkx funnycar yeah baby.LMAO And for those that this upsets just have a laugh or sell you stock this is all true and if it upsets you thats why because you are actually pissed off at this company too.[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by TruthTeller on :
If we are still at 0002 and no possitive (concrete) information comes out, I doubt they will have a party. If they do have a party, I doubt they will show up. If they do show up, yes they are brave
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
UC,RG,RW are truly brave in such an invitation of a large mast of people.[This message has been edited by JEAL (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
Tony -Again - strictly opinion on your behalf.
Upside - this is a prime example of the reference I made regarding frustration on this board.
quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Upside,its basic economics.The company has no income and they need funding for racing.Company sponsors it Upside pays for it.You should be proud everytime that car makes it down the track,you helped make it possible.Company's sponsor race cars all the time,of course them and there shareholders are profitable,broke and pps at0.00002,you would think pissed off shareholders,But not the mesmorized cmkx followers,its all good.Remember its part of a never seen before in the history of stocks,0.0002 short of the century.Congratulations (company,diamonds income) we don't need no stinkin diamonds.We got the cmkx funnycar yeah baby.LMAO And for those that this upsets just have a laugh or sell you stock this is all true and if it upsets you thats why because you are actually pissed off at this company too.[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
TruthTeller -This is what led me to the other statement - I honestly believe that there will be "something" within the next week or two. Or some announcement made during this time. - as every shareholder needs to have the same opportunity for hearing news at prime time.
Posted by tigertony on :
Jeal show me another company with 0.00002 pps that sponsors race cars and have no income.It is a fact that every one said short of century,wait until dividend.Proven wrong.It is a fact that shareholders would be pissed at other companys that did this.And by non mesmorized shareholders of cmkx that are pissed off about this.I don't see to much of that just being my opinion.You canwant this stock to do good and i hope it does.But the company has done or shown any info, facts, data,for now I am going on facts, not you.Like i told you before i own mlon and am in this type situation,but i make the same comments and jokes on that also on the facts that are out not what i want them to be Good Luck.[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Couple short comments: I agree with Upside, that I did not invest in a company with a funnycar. I have been long on CMKX for several years, having bought my first few shares at about .13 a share. Over the years I have averaged down to just over .0001 for 27 million shares. Show me some diamonds, become fully reporting, and I will be happy.re:UCAD, when CMKX announced the UCAD divvy, I had enough cash lying around to buy 200 little shares of UCAD (at the time about $4.50 a share), and cashed them in at $10.50 when UCAD made its run. IMO you dont need income for a penny stock to make a run, the penny market doesnt operate like the NYSE. I also agree that UCAD will have income from the incoming gold, and may even wind up being a better buy than CMKX.
Meanwhile, we are left with a rats-nest of companies, most of which have nothing. I just hope we all have enough luck to get out of this with our skins. Only time will tell.
Ed
Posted by JEAL on :
My frustrations on this board dont stem only from this stock, but also from some of the posts that take place here.NOTE: Understanding that your typo is 0.0002 not 0.00002.
If you would, please refer to my last several posts on this page, and see exactly what my thoughts are before you try to explain how and I other on this board view this stock, as I am quite sure that not "everyone" beleived in this short of the century theory - however, I do beleive it is happeneing, to what degree, I can comment nor can anyone else. Educated guess's and assumptions is all anyone has to go on.
All the best in your investments
Cheers
quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Jeal show me another company with 0.00002 pps that sponsors race cars and have no income.It is a fact that every one said short of century,wait until dividend.Proven wrong.It is a fact that shareholders would be pissed at other companys that did this.And by non mesmorized shareholders of cmkx that are pissed off about this.I don't see to much of that just being my opinion.You canwant this stock to do good and i hope it does.But the company has done or shown any info, facts, data,for now I am going on facts, not you.Like i told you before i own mlon and am in this type situation,but i make the same comments and jokes on that also on the facts that are out not what i want them to be Good Luck.[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
JEAL,
You posed the question do I honestly believe the company is corrupt. My answer is yes and no. I firmly believe it started out that way, nothing more than a vehicle to support Urban and his family, nice quiet little stock scam like any of the other hundreds there are on the pink sheets. Somewhere along the line though greed set in and things went haywire. This went from being an anonymous little scam to one of epic proportions that there was no getting out of without someone going down hard. Enter Roger Glenn. In my opinion he is here to clean this mess up, maybe even turn it into a legitimate company or at least give it that appearance. I know people will say that he would never risk his reputation that way but that is hogwash. Thanks to us, Urban is a wealthy man and is probably making Roger Glenn wealthy as well. If he can pull Urban and his cronies out of this unscathed, guess who his reputation goes up with and who it goes down with? Goes up in the eye of the corporate world, actually skyrockets, and goes down in the eye of the little guys, the you and me of the world. How is that damaging to Mr. Glenn and his firm?Anyway, to answer your question, yes I believe it was a scam at first but now I feel that through greed and blatant stupidity they have been forced to turn this into somewhat of a legitimate company.
Posted by tic_toc on :
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
I also agree that UCAD will have income from the incoming gold, and may even wind up being a better buy than CMKX.
EdVery true. Remember UCAD has a 15% claim on all CMKX's mineral rights. This includes the Gold and Uranium. Same applies to SGGM with 5%.
Posted by JEAL on :
Again Upside - good comments.After reading that I can almost share that same view. I do beleive that you may be right. This may have started off as a little support for the little ones at home.
But just to spin your scenario a little -
WHAT IF?
Instead of getting in over his head, they actually did trip over something of market proportions that would substantiate the working of a legitimate business.....?That may be wishful thinking - or the truth - however, yours does seem to be the easist and more obvious to see...
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
JEAL,
You posed the question do I honestly believe the company is corrupt. My answer is yes and no. I firmly believe it started out that way, nothing more than a vehicle to support Urban and his family, nice quiet little stock scam like any of the other hundreds there are on the pink sheets. Somewhere along the line though greed set in and things went haywire. This went from being an anonymous little scam to one of epic proportions that there was no getting out of without someone going down hard. Enter Roger Glenn. In my opinion he is here to clean this mess up, maybe even turn it into a legitimate company or at least give it that appearance. I know people will say that he would never risk his reputation that way but that is hogwash. Thanks to us, Urban is a wealthy man and is probably making Roger Glenn wealthy as well. If he can pull Urban and his cronies out of this unscathed, guess who his reputation goes up with and who it goes down with? Goes up in the eye of the corporate world, actually skyrockets, and goes down in the eye of the little guys, the you and me of the world. How is that damaging to Mr. Glenn and his firm?Anyway, to answer your question, yes I believe it was a scam at first but now I feel that through greed and blatant stupidity they have been forced to turn this into somewhat of a legitimate company.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
I think Urban was HOPING the recent PR's might've pushed the pps a lil' before the party. Sadly they are still flooding the market with shares. imo
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
TruthTeller -This is what led me to the other statement - I honestly believe that there will be "something" within the next week or two. Or some announcement made during this time. - as every shareholder needs to have the same opportunity for hearing news at prime time.
Posted by tigertony on :
What is your frustration,you don't want anyone to joke,or point out somethings there doing wrong.I don't see the problem.So go ahead tell me.quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Tony -Again - strictly opinion on your behalf.
Upside - this is a prime example of the reference I made regarding frustration on this board.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by JEAL:
quote:
Upside - this is a prime example of the reference I made regarding frustration on this board.
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by tigertony:
Upside,its basic economics.The company has no income and they need funding for racing.Company sponsors it Upside pays for it.You should be proud everytime that car makes it down the track,you helped make it possible.Company's sponsor race cars all the time,of course them and there shareholders are profitable,broke and pps at0.00002,you would think pissed off shareholders,But not the mesmorized cmkx followers,its all good.Remember its part of a never seen before in the history of stocks,0.0002 short of the century.Congratulations (company,diamonds income) we don't need no stinkin diamonds.We got the cmkx funnycar yeah baby.LMAO And for those that this upsets just have a laugh or sell you stock this is all true and if it upsets you thats why because you are actually pissed off at this company too.But that was a great post. Just because it's interspersed with humor doesn't make it bad, in fact it adds to it. He's making valid points in a humorous way. If you want to see real b/s posts, look some of mine up. I can go days on end making multiple posts that contribute absolutely nothing.
Posted by JEAL on :
Its these statements that frustrate me thats all....nothing more, nothing less.Talk to you all later, gone for the W/E
Cheers
"LMAO And for those that this upsets just have a laugh or sell you stock this is all true and if it upsets you thats why because you are actually pissed off at this company too."
[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited October 22, 2004).][/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by will on :
Someone trying to police the thread again. It's not all about the believers, hopeful, and faithful here. Humor, sick humor, dissenting views, and negative, work sometime too.
noah and his deputies left for greener pastures, they claimed to be the policemen here, and it led to some unsvory posting for weeks and weeks.
It's an open board, please don't try to control it your liking Jeal.
Posted by tigertony on :
Upside you look at these things like me.I do the same on the stocks i own ,i make jokes and remark when i see the ugly facts.Yes we all want to make money.But lifes to short to be all pissed off over an 0.0002 stock.If you're frustrated jeal call cmkx and be pissed, not at me for joking and posting what i see.I call it how i see it,my stocks your stocks any stocks, call it straight.Sorry if i offend you,but thats how i am.Good Luck By the way upside name your boat the cmkx it could never sink,she would surely float.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by tigertony:
quote:
By the way upside name your boat the cmkx it could never sink,she would surely float.Yeah but I'd have to find the maritme version of a Roger Glenn to keep her afloat.
Oh hell, that's another one of my "contribute nothing" posts.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
If you want my opinion.
I believe we are currently acquiring mines and properties that can be made profitable in a short period of time with small upgrades.
These acquisitions will be placed under our CIM spin off shares giving it an instant value and IPO'd.
As far as Cmkx, how you do it is you reverse split say 1000:1, then over a year you let it fall back to .0001. Then you can buy it back at the same pps but with 1/1000th the shares.
Your fiduciary responsibility to shareholders is covered in the dividends themselves.
Posted by tigertony on :
Upside 99% of these posts don't contribute anything.thats my point were just along for the ride,good or bad might as well have some fun.Even if i feel i have a great stock and someone says it's a piece of sh#t,i will look at what he says and see if they have some points or facts that may change my mind.If i disagree no big deal jeal.So jeal cmon back and enjoy life,i have nothing against you,and can understand your frustration with the stock.I will trade you half my mlon for the same amount of cmkx just to be sporting.LOL see i can't help it.
Posted by Upside on :
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
quote:
Your fiduciary responsibility to shareholders is covered in the dividends themselves.Is that a fact? Here's a boiler plate definition of fiduciary responsibility:
"The fiduciary owes an obligation to carry out the responsibilities with the utmost degree of "good faith, honesty, integrity, loyalty and undivided service of the beneficiaries interest."
Please tell me how CMKX has met this responsibility.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
The dividends are of equal or greater value than the original investment.That is how.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by RaiderJR:
quote:
The dividends are of equal or greater value than the original investment.
That is how.Are you getting the same dividends I'm getting? Please break it down for me, I must be missing something.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Add up all the value of the dividends and they will be equal to or greater than your purchase.UCAD
CIM
GEMMand whatever else. UCAD is worth 4100 dollars to me and is more than I paid for the shares.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Here is a post from another, again, I can't verify it.
quote:
Ok...I think you guys have all seen Etrade's "CMKM DIAMONDS INC TENDER OFFER AMEX" ? Right? Right.Okay, many people called etrade (over 3 credible people) and etrade stated that cusip#125809996 has no current name or ticker but has registered to be on the AMEX already. It is just waiting on the parent company, CMKM, to accept the tender offer. Etrade said that cusip#125809996 will recieve its identity by midnight tonite and will be posted to Etrade accounts tomorrow morining.
Now, on monday cmkx will tender offer our cusip #125809996 shares to the big boy investors that have been waiting on the sidelines for the last few months. Once these big boys buy ours #125xxx (no name yet) shares, then they will IPO it. We will recieve the cash tender offer into our accounts and the company will release news to give valuation to #125xxx. Then it will take off and we will have cash into our accounts.
This is awesome because the new public company #125xxx will have no nss problems since it emerged from a private company.
Later, CMKX will issue another #125xxx dividend to us. Perhaps, it will be the remainder of our current #125xxx dividend. It is speculated that we have only been paid 1/2 of our dividend.
By that time, we should have plenty of cash and stocks that are actually worth something.
Cmkx will then continue with operation dividends and attack the shorts. I believe that the cmkx pps will never really rise as we will now focus on #125xxx and our several dividend companies.
Posted by tigertony on :
I truly hope ucad is worth 4100 to you when you can sell them.Who knows where they will be,for everyone with dividends,i hope its more.But right now they are worthless.GoodLuck
Posted by RaiderJR on :
PSI disagree with his last statement. CMKX will retain mineral claims in Canada and work them. Since this will take a year plus it will give time to correct share problems.
It will eventually be a good company. A long term play.
I do believe those who received the IPO shares will do well short term.If you received 1 million shares you will likely be a hundred thousand aire or more.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by RaiderJR:
quote:
Add up all the value of the dividends and they will be equal to or greater than your purchase.
UCAD
CIM
GEMMand whatever else. UCAD is worth 4100 dollars to me and is more than I paid for the shares.
Now that truly is an example of seeing the world through rose colored glasses. Here's how I see it:
UCAD: worthless (as of now)
CIM: worthlessThat's all we've received so far, total value? $0.00
Posted by tigertony on :
RaiderJR i hope you are right,and you guy's hit it big.Good Luck
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Tiger,I agree with you, but it is possible UCAD will go up in price and be worth much more than current.
In my opinion, when you have a spinoff it is never easy to satisfy everyone, but I believe it would meet legal obligations to all except those who bought after the dividends.
I could be all wrong, this is just my thinking on the whole situation.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Upside,My theory is dangerous because it could create an impression that CMKX is worthless now and no one would buy.
If my thinking is wrong and they are going to play CMKX then I hurt my own chances.
It is true the divvy's are worthless now, but I doubt Roger Glenn would neglect his responsibilities so openly if he was simply scamming shareholders. There will always be unhappy people, but the idea he could do it so openly is absurd to me.He has to protect shareholders to some degree or go to jail.
Posted by bill1352 on :
reguarding the few CIM posts...i too have had in the back of my mind that something was going on with this company as in UC transfering assets into it. the dividend had to be split in half as the a/s of cmkx is 800 billion and the split worked out to twice that. i wouldn't be too suprised if when & if CIM hits the market its pps has real value but remember this dividend is restricted too so even if it goes public it can't be sold. i also agree this is the cover UC's azz play. i think roger took a good look at everything & told UC either come up with something good or learn how to shower without ever dropping the soap
Posted by tigertony on :
Yeah upside you dreamcrusher.Trying to let some facts get in the way.Sheesh can't you be positive.LMAO RaiderJR i Hope one of there theorys is true and monday you are right and all cmkx holders get some cash.Just to many theorys that have'nt panned out Good Luck
Posted by Upside on :
Tony,
From the other thread we both frequent I know you're a bit of a gambling man so help me out with something would you? What kind of odds should I lay down that the convoluted theory in Raiders copied post never comes to pass? I'm thinking of going pretty high if someone wagers on it happening by Monday then lowering the odds, allowing people to pick week long blocks over the course of the next 5 years or so. What do you think? One way or the other, this stock WILL make me rich!
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Upside you are truly an entrepreneure(SP)
Posted by tigertony on :
Bill1352 you have some good thoughts and ways for them to make this work i hope they are thinking that way.If it was'nt for all the share holders i would like to see him have to pick up the soap.But i hope they find a way to save the shareholders as$ which means his also.Good Luckquote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
reguarding the few CIM posts...i too have had in the back of my mind that something was going on with this company as in UC transfering assets into it. the dividend had to be split in half as the a/s of cmkx is 800 billion and the split worked out to twice that. i wouldn't be too suprised if when & if CIM hits the market its pps has real value but remember this dividend is restricted too so even if it goes public it can't be sold. i also agree this is the cover UC's azz play. i think roger took a good look at everything & told UC either come up with something good or learn how to shower without ever dropping the soap
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bill1352:
quote:
i think roger took a good look at everything & told UC either come up with something good or learn how to shower without ever dropping the soapNow that's pretty darn funny!
Posted by tigertony on :
Just let me know I will help fund it and split with you.Problem is to high of odds only get a few small time 1.00 dollar bets.I would say odds on monday about 790 billion to 1 against it.quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Tony,
From the other thread we both frequent I know you're a bit of a gambling man so help me out with something would you? What kind of odds should I lay down that the convoluted theory in Raiders copied post never comes to pass? I'm thinking of going pretty high if someone wagers on it happening by Monday then lowering the odds, allowing people to pick week long blocks over the course of the next 5 years or so. What do you think? One way or the other, this stock WILL make me rich!
Posted by RaiderJR on :
The big theory now is a PIPE transaction.
Just looking at the logistics of it, then I think it is possible. One of the uses is restricted 144 stock and using it to IPO.It comes with a contractual promise to make them tradeable as soon as possible.
quote:
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While a PIPE transaction is marketed to a limited number of investors over a short period of time, a traditional public transaction may require a broader marketing process and, in the case of an add-on offering, the filing of a registration statement with the SEC prior to pricing. This filing process tends to create an overhang in the market, resulting in an “announcement effect” on the issuer’s stock. This announcement effect has been studied, and most practitioners use a proxy of a 15% decline in the stock price prior to pricing. For companies that are able to access traditional public alternatives for larger amounts (typically above $75 million), pricing at the close of the transaction may be more issuer-friendly than a PIPE transaction due to broader marketing and the lack of any liquidity discount associated with receiving unregistered securities. However, careful review of the entire process must be conducted to determine the full array of strengths and weaknesses associated with each alternative.
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Posted by Upside on :
quote:
The big theory now is a PIPE transaction.Have to give much lower odds on that one. I've done a little reading up on the subject and that one could have some merit. Plus Mr. Glenn has been involved in a few of them. Also it just sounds right, we'd call it a kimberlite pipe transaction.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Create a football type square thing and the people buy squares. Could use transaction type or date or UC goes to jail.Something for everybody.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
quote:
In short, "outside the box" to CMKX would be to do what most companies do as a normal course of business. [/B]very good point and probably the best post of the day.
i agree 100% with you in this one.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by RaiderJR:
quote:
Could use transaction type or date or UC goes to jail.I've got a hunch though that UC has a "get out of jail free" card.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
ya his name is Roger Glenn. and a pile of cmkx share money
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by RaiderJR:
I've got a hunch though that UC has a "get out of jail free" card.
Posted by tigertony on :
Upside go look at the nvcm thread. I posted last night.I had it typed in this morning and passed.Another great move.Sometimes you just gotta laugh or in this case cry.LOL ouch
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by tigertony:
quote:
Upside go look at the nvcm thread. I posted last night.I had it typed in this morning and passed.Another great move.Sometimes you just gotta laugh or in this case cry.LOL ouchYep, we all missed that one. You know sitting at work and typing garbage all day on a CMKX thread doesn't bode well for my finding other stocks. Not the smartest career move on my part either.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
This week was full of rumours..
First we had 80M A/S of CMKX - What a BS
ETrade calling CIM dividends CMKX tender offer AMEX - This is the topic for the coolAid gang whole week.. Some people said it will debut on AMEX at $20 with 25M A/S. What a crap. Then they talked about PIPE transactions, tender offer blah blah. Seems like they love talking about pipes and joints
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I was crunching numbers on a tender offer. Here are some thoughts.1. If OS = 40 billion = our dividend
2. Offer increases as value increases.zinc claim
uranium claim
diamond claims
gold mine or mines
diamond mine in south america
3.300 million/40 bill = .0075
1 bill/40 billion = .025
3 bill/40 billion = .075
10 bill/40 billion = .25
Depends upon true O/S and the value given. Who really knows.Could be from 100.00 to 150,000.00
Since our dividend could be 1.6 trillion based, or half of 779 billion which would be20 billion to start the ipo, then all figures could be divided by 20 billion.
300 mil/20 bil = .015
1 bill/20 bil = .05
3 bil/20 bil = .15
10 bil/20 bil = .5
[This message has been edited by RaiderJR (edited October 22, 2004).]
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Like most of the poeple on this thread I really hope you are right, we all want to make some money.
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
TruthTeller -This is what led me to the other statement - I honestly believe that there will be "something" within the next week or two. Or some announcement made during this time. - as every shareholder needs to have the same opportunity for hearing news at prime time.
Posted by ed19363 on :
We must all be on the same stocks. I got on NCVM last year, and altho the R/S hurt, if it takes off, I could still make a little. Great minds think alike....LOL
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by tigertony:
Yep, we all missed that one. You know sitting at work and typing garbage all day on a CMKX thread doesn't bode well for my finding other stocks. Not the smartest career move on my part either.
Posted by tigertony on :
Well its on its way,went to 2.20 today.hope it keeps flying for you.Good Luck
Posted by tradingpennys on :
I found some other stocks with better odds that I wanted to invest in. Besides, I have plenty more of this stock. (too much more actually!). And yes, people have said I was crazy at times... lol.
quote:
Originally posted by Az...Cats:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tradingpennys:
[b]I sold a million at .0002 last week and then today I sold another million at .0002. Today's sell took 4 1/2 hrs. to finally go through.
Why in the world would you be selling at these prices anyway. Have you gone LOCO. They are getting ready to go fully reporting and your selling. Big mistake![/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by bill1352 on :
from the state of nevada we know CIM had a 25 million a/s before the dividend payment CMKX said in the pr that 40 billion shares were to go to shareholders. the final payment split works out to cmkx having twice the number of shares as it's a/s. again calls to nevada after payment say cmkx's a/s is still 800 billion thus 40 billion CIM shares were not given out in the dividend and no word yet on CIM's a/s but my guess is it was raised to 40 billion with 20 billion to us & 20 billion in the treasury or possibly to be given out at a later date. This has to be UC's butt cover move because we also know UC has screwed up cmkx's share structure and a huge amount of money has come in from selling cmkx shares. the dividends say that there are 779 billion cmkx shares out there if sold at an average of .0002 thats $155,800,000 which should fund any explorations for a number of yrs. debeers/kensington is putting $7.5 million into their mine this yr and has at least that much in already. just the cash that ucad & sggm paid cmkx should cover full exploration of the canadian claims. odds are a huge part of the 779 billion shares are not paid for but given to insiders as bonuses so we probably need to cut the share sell number to about $70 million but still more then enough to fund any project cmkx does. to become reporting cmkx will have to explain where this money went not only to us & the SEC but also the IRS because it is income. so before they do report all of this money will need to have a receit or be in a bank or UC's azz will be in a sling[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 23, 2004).]
Posted by tradingpennys on :
I found this article & thought it was quite interesting. Urban if you are reading this board I suggest you might use this technology!! Beats the arial surveys by 1,000 fold IMO.UNDERGROUND STOREHOUSES ARE LOCATED FROM SPACE
8/7/02
Industry - Engineering Newspaper (Moscow)
Scientists at the Moscow-based Earth Geoinformation Analysis Research Center have developed a unique technology for detecting mineral resource reserves based on remote terrestrial surface sensing from space.
The essence of this new technique, which has already made it possible to find water in the Sahara desert, consists of the fact that specialists receive highly accurate multidimensional photographs of the Earth from space, then process them using computer programs they have developed, and - without performing geological work in an area that is being studied - provide a precise prediction of the resources occurring under the earth.
The structurometric analysis technique is based on the fact that all underground resources manifest themselves on the surface in one way or another: the Earth's core emits energy that, in proceeding to the surface, is refracted as a function of the rocks through which it passes. This creates a unique trace on the surface, the nature of which is dependent upon what is located under the earth. Russian specialists have learned to "read" this trace. Or, in other words, to identify regularities and to present the traces detected in the form of accurate three-dimensional images of the resources occurring under the earth.
Producing firms have been trying for some time to use space land surveys to generate predictions of raw materials occurring under the earth. However, all the technologies employed to date have produced a low level of accuracy.
The uniqueness of the technology created by the coworkers of the Earth Geoinformation Analysis Research Center consists of the fact that it is made up of dozens of unrelated computer algorithms. In studying space survey data, these algorithms apparently crosscheck one another, ultimately producing an extremely precise prediction.
The structurometric analysis technique, on which a group of Russian scientists headed by academician Vladimir Zhukov worked for more than 20 years, makes it possible to identify and quite accurately describe mineral resource deposits within areas where it was previously thought they did not exist. Here, the cost of the prediction work is an order lower than that of the traditional geological exploration techniques currently in use.
This Russian technology also takes on greater urgency in light of the global problem of hydrocarbon raw material reserves on the planet. The center's director, Valeriy Tutykhin believes that, "Our technology makes it possible to quite accurately estimate oil-and-gas reserves over extremely large areas in any country". He says, "The structurometric analysis technique is already being used by specialists when performing prediction work for a number or Russian companies, as well as oil-, diamond-, and gold-producing firms abroad".
In particular, at the request of the Mauritanian government, specialists from the center where this technology was developed, in March of this year, performed remote terrestrial surface sensing from space within this North African republic in order to look for underground fresh water. They provided a prediction of its presence in the Varan region not far from the city of Atar.
In July, while drilling at the site pinpointed by the center specialists, flowing water was found at a depth of approximately 30 meters. "The result fully satisfied the client. However, we suggested to our Mauritanian colleagues that they continue their drilling work, since our predictions indicated a considerably large water flow under a hard volcanic rock "cap" at a depth on the order of 250 meters," V. Tutykhin said.
The Russian specialists were successful in convincing the project managers not to halt the work and to continue drilling to the 250-meter mark, despite the fact that penetrating the hard rock broke three diamond drill bits.
The practical drilling results stunned the Mauritanians. An underground flow of colossal proportions was discovered beneath a volcanic rock stratum. The initial well flow rate was 32,000 liters an hour. The water reserves found are not only capable of meeting the needs of Atar's population, but are also of vital strategic importance to the country as a whole, the bulk of which is covered by the sandy and rocky deserts of the Western Sahara. As one of the project participants noted, "this fountain in the Sahara is a present-day wonder of the world".
In the opinion of the Russian scientists, the discovery of this water under hard volcanic rock can tentatively be explained by the fact that magmatic lava collapsed the bed of a large river in prehistoric times, the course of which subsequently went underground.
Using this same new technology, gold ore reserves were detected in South Korea in April.
UNDERGROUND STOREHOUSES ARE LOCATED FROM SPACE. Industry - Engineering Newspaper (Moscow), 7/8/02, 024, p. 2.
http://www.research-centre.org/news4.php[This message has been edited by tradingpennys (edited October 23, 2004).]
Posted by RaiderJR on :
Here is a company meeting from 2000 that included a discussion on Naked Shorting. It showed a 90% buy to sell ratio.Does this fit CMKX?
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SHAREHOLDER UPDATE / AGM 2000
The following is a report on the activities at the Annual Meeting of Shareholders held May 31, 2000 in Sausalito, California.Opening Comments
Medizone's Chief Operating Officer, Dr. Jill Marshall, opened the presentation with a discussion on shareholder relation topics and commonly asked questions. Jill stated that when shareholders want to make changes, i.e. address changes and stock transferring, they need to notify American Stock Transfer and Trust in writing. The address is: 40 Wall Street. New York, NY 10005, phone number: 212-936-5100. For legend removal, shareholders need to call Jill directly for instructions. Jill also talked about Medizone's web site and how anyone interested could view any of the SEC filings, Management Profiles, Updates, Press Release Archives and outstanding science articles by Dr. Sunnen, by clicking on the applicable buttons located on the homepage.
Official Business of the Meeting
The official meeting was then opened by Chairman and CEO, Edwin Marshall. The official business consisted of electing 3 directors; Edwin Marshall, Dr. Gerard Sunnen and Richard Solomon and approval of H&J Associates (formerly Jones, Jensen & Company) as the auditors for the next year. The final results of the proxy vote are now reported as follows: FOR ALL DIRECTORS AND APPOINTMENT OF JONES JENSEN, 92,520,651. AGAINST, 150,150. ABSTAIN 850,692. The official business of the meeting was then closed.
Discussion Period
Following the close of the Annual Meeting, the shareholders and others in attendance were invited to remain for discussion of current developments at the Company. The first item of discussion was the May 23 press release , which can be viewed in the Press Release Archives section of this web site. That press release on a Funding Program, Scientific Progress and Future Intentions was released to 50 countries via PR Newswire in San Francisco. The Company anticipated a favorable market reaction following this release. The initial market response indicated this would be the case as the price increased 70% over the previous day's close on heavy volume during the first few hours of trading the morning of the release. Then, as has happened in the past with our stock, the Market Makers appeared to "cap" the stock. In other words, the price of the stock appeared to be held at a limited level that does not allow the stock to move to a natural level based on the free market rule of supply and demand. In the days following the shareholders meeting, the stock was brought down again, in the opinion of the Company, artificially.
A discussion then ensued as to the perceived lack of enforcement of existing rules by the SEC and NASD Regulation in regards to Market Makers on the OTC:BB and the requirement for them to make a "fair market". Unlike the National NASDAQ markets or the New York Stock Exchange, market makers on the OTC:BB are not required to report a short position in securities traded over the counter. The Company believes this creates an environment that invites the violation of fair market standards that market makers are legally required to provide.
The Company has come to the conclusion, based on comparing the daily report it receives from American Stock Transfer and Trust Co., Medizone's transfer agent, and viewing the Share Volume Report, as well as other information that is available, that the buy/sell ratio in Medizone stock is consistently tilted in the buy direction. In other words, over time there has not been a balanced buy/sell ratio in Medizone stock. Predominantly, Medizone shareholders tend to be long term, patient shareholders interested in the advancement of the science as much as turning a profit. Thus, based on the information available to it, the Company has come to the conclusion that there is a long term accumulated short position in the market maker community. This creates a pressure that is not only detrimental to the short term appreciation of stock value, but encouraging of illegal activities such as collusion and manipulation for those, who on the one hand have a legal obligation to provide a fair market for the Company's stock, and on the other hand are so short the stock that it would be financially detrimental to allow the stock to rise to a fair market value based on the law of supply and demand. This last assumption is based on the belief that some of these short sellers who may nominally hold themselves out as market makers of our stock, could only cover their naked short positions by spending significant sums of money buying stock on the open market in order to cover their short interests. The financial incentive for those short sellers is to protect their position. In other words, do every thing possible to keep a lid on the price.
The Company believes the best way to address this issue is to view it as a short term problem that will be overcome by further development of our science, including; the filing of additional new patents, the publishing of successful double blind studies in major countries by internationally renowned virologists, hepatologists and infectious disease experts. Continuing and additional funding and the construction of a production facility intended to be on line by the end of the 3rd quarter of 2001 with the start of revenue production currently estimated for the 4th quarter of 2001. These activities, along with a staff increase of very highly qualified individuals, some of international renown joining the Medizone team, will present a force that will be impossible to hold down, regardless of possible collusion, market manipulation and foul intent for reasons of self preservation and financial greed by a few who operate in a secretive environment that the Company views as being in need of rule changes as well as sticker enforcement of existing regulations.
In this regard, the Company's law firm, Durham, Jones & Pinegar has prepared a letter to be presented to the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, with copies to NASD Regulation and certain elected representatives in Washington who chair oversight committees of those agencies. That letter as well as a letter from the Company on the same subject was filed on June 8, 2000. Both letters may be viewed on the Company's web site under Shareholder Communication. Please do not think we are so naive to think we might actually bring about regulatory change. We view that as a long shot at best. However, we are genuinely concerned for the liquidity of some of our shareholders should certain market makers be forced into a situation in which they find it difficult to cover their short positions. In other words, if it became difficult to provide stock to shareholders with street accounts. As a Company, we are simply going to put the appropriate authorities on notice of what our concerns are, the SEC is reviewing this issue and we hope to have our voice heard. It is up to those authorities to take action to correct the situation, or to ignore it. To protect your position as a shareholder we strongly urge all of you to write to your broker and insist that the broker holding your stock do two things. First, register the share certificate in your name. Second, the broker should agree in writing not to use the certificate as collateral for short selling. To authorize your broker to act as your agent you must give him a power of attorney for buy and sell orders. If you do these things the broker/client relationship will not be broken, but you will prevent your stock from being used against your best interests.
Please note that this Company is not the only Bulletin Board listed company that believes it has this problem. Since posting the letter of May 26 relative to this issue on our web site, I have been contacted by the executives of a number of companies who have had similar problems. It is pretty obvious when you are on the "inside" what is going on when you release very positive news, the shareholderąs response to the news is positive and then the market goes down. There is no explanation except intentional manipulation. When a Companyąs buy/sell ratio on a given day is weighted 90% toward the buy side, at least in the retail market, how would you otherwise explain a decline in price on that same day?
Let me close this subject by saying the Company's intention is to enter into the public record its view of this on-going problem in the market place and offer some possible solutions. We believe it is imperative for the shareholders of all publicly traded companies to be equally protected under the law. That is clearly not the case today. Beyond that, it is not our job to change the market place. It is our job to build this company, prove its science and bring about a revolutionarily change in the world of medicine relative to viral illness and other issues the company believes it has answers for in a world of great need. That is our job, and that is what we intend to focus on.
The presentation then moved into the field of research. The work of recently retired board member Dr. William Hitt was discussed. As reported in the May 23rd press release, Dr. Hitt is being very successful with his work in hepatitis C. He has additionally worked with a few HIV and herpes patients with encouraging results, but the number of patients treated is very low and the Company has chosen not to report these results for lack of depth of information. The hepatitis C results of 5 log viral load reductions and other significant signs of patient well being reported in the press release of May 23rd are based on 6 month post treatment follow up results as well as immediate patient improvement. In all, Dr. Hitt has treated over 30 patients with hepatitis C as of this date. The information the Company has obtained from this work, while done without a blind control in "anecdotal circumstances", is nonetheless less very useful. We know our process works! The next step, as previously reported on May 23rd, will be to prove this in independent studies done in other countries.
Dr. Sunnen discussed the viral program at length and also the future intentions of the Company to pursue an agenda for the external applications of ozone to treat pathogenic conditions such as burns, slowly healing wounds, ulcerations, etc. To understand the viral inactivation program better, shareholders are encouraged to refer to the "Virology Primer with special reference to ozone" in the science section of this web site. The external program will not be started until the viral inactivation program is very well established, nearing the end of the research stage and production is ready to start. This current Company position is based on limited human resources and subject to change.
The Company then did a presentation on its patent development program. Morgan & Finnegan, our New York patent firm, along with a high volume of quality work by Dr. Sunnen, has resulted in a serious strengthening of the Companyąs patent situation internationally. Along with the granting of a patent for the Companyąs previous application on externals, a new application was filed on May 24th titled, METHOD AND APPLICATION FOR OZONE DECONTAMINATION OF BIOLOGICAL LIQUID, Our ref. No.; 1299-4015.
Assuming this patent is granted, as anticipated, the Company will then have 4 existing patents, all of which interlock and relate to each other. The near term filing of an additional patent application relative to the Companyąs blood / serum interface is anticipated Though narrow in scope, that patent application will deal with the cartridge that is the Companyąs "disposable", a major revenue producing tool. That filing will give the Company 5 patents (counting the two in the application stage).
The scope of the Company's international patent coverage was then emphasized by providing a global list of regions covered.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
As per article above ...
"The initial market response indicated this would be the case as the price increased 70% over the previous day's close on heavy volume during the first few hours of trading the morning of the release. Then, as has happened in the past with our stock, the Market Makers appeared to "cap" the stock. In other words, the price of the stock appeared to be held at a limited level that does not allow the stock to move to a natural level based on the free market rule of supply and demand."The supply of CMKX is more than abundant. So the supply is there. They need more demand. Which is hard to generate with so many #!(#(*@ shares! There are more shares than there are stars!!!
Posted by tradingpennys on :
Pennies for Dollars
However, there is a big difference when dollar volumes of the various exchanges are compared. In 2003, volume for the OTCBB was an average of 1,060,949,618 shares per day, and average daily dollar volume was $159,551,840. That's an average price of $0.15 per share. The average 2003 share price on the Pink Sheets was $0.14. By contrast, in the same year, the average daily share price on the Nasdaq was $16.61 and the average daily share price on the NYSE was $27.50.Consider this: in 2003 and 2004, shares in CMKM traded between 0.002 and 0.0001 cents. At 0.0001 cents per share, a million shares cost you $100. If you were lucky enough to catch a ride when the stock moved to 0.005 cents, which it did on occasion, and if there were enough buyers to get you out of your position, you would make a cool $4,900 profit.
However, if you were on the wrong side of the trade and bought at 0.005 cents, you would see your $100 dwindle to just $2 when the stock dropped back down to 0.0001 cents. And if you had a $20,000 position at 0.0001 cents you would have to sell 200 million shares to get out. In the sub-penny abyss, a few thousand dollars of buying or selling can significantly sway share values.
A company like CMKM is simply not the place to entrust any money you can't afford to lose. It hasn't filed any reports with the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) since March 2003, and obtaining reliable corporate information is a challenge at best.
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That's where I'm at the 0.0005 price. Selling at 0.0002 I am losing 300.00 + a share! (+ is broker comissions). This stock isn't naked shorted. Nor is it shorted period. MM's have to keep a list of shares they short. Where is CMKX listed ANYWHERE?
Posted by bill1352 on :
if a company is naked shorted it would take time but it could be found out. the dtc has a record of every trade both buys & sells by taking this number & matching it to what cmkx has recieved in payment for buys & the issued amount they would know just how many it was shorted. if mm's just sold shares without reporting each sell they make to the dtc they would never show up in our accounts. roger could get all the info needed to prove either way & being a lawyer the lawsuit would follow close behind. if they wanted to force a cover the lawsuit would be the first move followed by the dividends. no back street moves, just file the suit and force the cover with the dividends. as nothing happened it isnt shorted.
Posted by Upside on :
You're right Bill, the stock isn't naked shorted, it's not double naked shorted (whatever that means), it doesn't have an "intrinsic" value of 3 trillion dollars, and there is no Master Plan. The sad reality is that it's a tiny pink sheet semi-scam company that's in deep trouble and they now have a high powered attorney to insure that the perpetrators walk away free and clear while the honest people (us) lose everything we invested.
Posted by ahcncinc on :
Aside from all the theories on the stock, take a closer look at the racing. This company that has no revenue has already announced the sponsorship of a second funny car($$$). They are supposed to "up" the program on the existing funny car($$$) and the motorcycle as well. Is investor money lining pockets and buying powerful advertising tools to lure new investors into the circle? Every race has had a "tent" offgrounds for shareholders and potential shareholders to hang out and become "part of the excitement!!" It will be interesting to see just what happens in Vegas.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by ahcncinc:
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Is investor money lining pockets and buying powerful advertising tools to lure new investors into the circle?Gee, I don't know, what do you think?
Posted by bill1352 on :
if roger is going to save UC's azz it just might be that they transfer all mining into CIM and make cmkx racing only & then if & when they find diamonds sell them to cmkx to be marketed. maybe thats why the increase in a/s just before the dividends, give cmkx some money to work with. the problem is that the only thing they have with any proven value is the new gold mine and even there we have no idea how it was paid for or how much which in itself is very wrong, any company that buys any kind of company also tells shareholders what it paid for it. time will tell and as i have no money i have lots of time...lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tradingpennys,You wrote: Where is CMKX listed ANYWHERE?
Don't you know that they are going to list on the OTC-BB, the NASDAQ, the AMEX and the NYSE? Thought I heard all of that somewhere!
LOL$300/share loss really stinks!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Up,As I seem to recall you work with IP. Remember I could not download pdf files? New neighbor just moved in who's email address includes MCP. He found the problem.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
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Hey Up,
As I seem to recall you work with IP. Remember I could not download pdf files? New neighbor just moved in who's email address includes MCP. He found the problem.Got me a little confused here Wallace. I remember you having difficulty downloading pdf files but I don't know what you mean about IP and MCP. Help me out a little here.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Someone previously asked me how a certain company got listed on the AMEX...I do not remember the name of the subject company.
Requirements are as follows:American Stock Exchange
Regular Financial Guidelines : The American Stock Exchange requires pre-tax income of $750,000 for most recent fiscal year or two out of the most three recent fiscal years, a market value of public float of $3 million, an initial minimum bid price of $3 and stockholder's equity of $4 million.
Alternate Financial Guidelines : A company has a market value of public float of $15 million, an initial minimum bid price of $3 and stockholder's equity of $4 million. The company must have a three-year operating history.W's Note: Remember that "stockholder's equity of $4 million" must be a positive figure.
None of the companies involved with CMKX appear to meet any of the above standards.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Wallace #1:
Got me a little confused here Wallace. I remember you having difficulty downloading pdf files but I don't know what you mean about IP and MCP. Help me out a little here.IP = Information Processing
MCP = Microsoft ProfessionalMaybe I am the one confused. Thought your background was IP.
Posted by Upside on :
Nope, not me Wallace. I'm as low tech as they come. Part owner of a steel distribution business. We sell raw material to machine shops, tool & die companies, etc. Pretty much on the bottom of the technology food chain.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hope you are beyond the foundry point. Saw a guy get cooked when he dumped red hot steel from the bucket of an overhead crane into a mold below...had water in it. Shot right back up at him...THE END.
Posted by Upside on :
Yeah, well beyond that. The "catch phrase" for our business is steel service center. We inventory the steel in all of its various grades and shapes and sell them in either standard lengths or cut them to customer specifications. Not a glamorous business but a satisfying one.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
How are tool and die companies doing? That should be a good indicator as to where the economy is going. Yes?
Posted by Upside on :
Tool & die companies here (Racine, WI) are on an almighty roll right now but it has more to do with the economy of Racine as opposed to the nation. Racine was hit real hard over the last few years, losing quite a few major manufacturers and a ton of the small tool & die businesses that supported them. Now with a bit of a manufacturing resurgance, the ones that did survive have more work than they can handle. It's the same old cycle that happens here every 5 years or so. New ones will crop up, thrive for a while, then the next recession will take out the weak ones and the strong survive. I can tell you this though, my business is on the smaller side but we do mirror the national economy pretty closely. We are having the best year we've had in a long, long time. Steel was not the business you wanted to be in over the last few years. This year however, there has been a dramatic turnaround. As much as I hate to say this, it's almost like it was in the Clinton years.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
That sure sounds encouraging. Tells me we have to wait for the election to be decided and then the market goes up...probably, no matter who wins.Wonder what CMKX will do. Frankly, I don't see much of a future for that company - but it sure is fascinating!
Posted by Upside on :
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Wonder what CMKX will do.You're not serious are you? I could make a pretty good guess!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Yea,I wonder too.from this PR I think I'll hang around a while...CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces Joint Venture on Uranium Claims
Friday October 8, 9:30 am ETLAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 8, 2004--CMKM Diamonds, Inc., (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News) is pleased to announce it has reached an agreement with United Carina Resources Corp.
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Uranium prices are booming, surging 80 per cent to more than $US18 a pound in the past 12 months in response to fears by nuclear power utilities about long-term supplies.-
Yellowcake prices were $7.10 US a pound in December 2000 but have risen steadily and recently surpassed $20 for the first time since 1984
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It got me wondering if Melvin really knew something when he said what CMKX was tring to do,he compared it to way back then,"kind of like making a bomb".
Posted by Highwaychild on :
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Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by highwaychild:
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I've been doing a little urainium research but still can't quite figure out this doggone calculator http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/nfcc.html .LOLWow. I looked at the first formula after the first fill in box and knew it was way beyond me. Get past + or - and things start to get a little foggy with me!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
WAY over my head.LOL
Posted by tradingpennys on :
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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
tradingpennys,You wrote: Where is CMKX listed ANYWHERE?
Don't you know that they are going to list on the OTC-BB, the NASDAQ, the AMEX and the NYSE? Thought I heard all of that somewhere!
LOL$300/share loss really stinks!!!
LOL Brat! I meant that the MM's have to list what stocks they short.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Moo thinks you doubters are full of cow pie. moo remembers how quickly he was bashed by so many waaaaaaay back when he brought up CMKX to allstocks message board. the tides have turned you BIT###S! MOOOO MOOO MOOO MOOO
Posted by bill1352 on :
CashCowMoo
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Moo thinks you doubters are full of cow pie. moo remembers how quickly he was bashed by so many waaaaaaay back when he brought up CMKX to allstocks message board. the tides have turned you BIT###S! MOOOO MOOO MOOO MOOO
======================================some of us just dont see the stock play of a lifetime or cmkx making us rich. some see a nice profit at some point. some of us see a company that had great potential but mismanagement killed most of that. some of us see a company more interested in race cars then mining diamonds. some of us see a company building a nice group of jv mining companies but know that a 779 billion o/s will kill most of the pps possibilities. some of us wish we had found allstocks & cmkx a month earlier so that the last pps run left us sitting on free shares with zero risk on the dang stock...lol
Posted by Forrestgump on :
http://cmkx.yazzi.com/cbc_national_102204.htm
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
thanks for the link Forrest.CBC the national is a good reliable source for new stories. im downloading the clip now and will watch it
good find!
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Originally posted by Forrestgump:
http://cmkx.yazzi.com/cbc_national_102204.htm
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I got tired of hype so I crunched some numbers for CMKX as a revenue generating company from our gold mine. Here is the work posted from another board.
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Look at these CMKX numbersI was tired of the hype so I crunched some numbers together based on our gold mine output. Keep in mind I have no idea what it will produce from 80 tons of ore/day. I have read some scenarios.
Here are my numbers
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We could have 1000 shares instead of billions and still be at .0002 with no revenue. I don't see a need to be reporting until revenue exists.
Now with revenue coming then reporting could make a difference.
I dont really buy into all the numbers because revenue doesn't equal profit. If after all is said and done, we end up with 30 million profit, it will be a success. Plus you must remember it is divided by more than one company.30 million profit should carry our exploration costs. I see the gold mine as a spring board to other things.
If they announce the OS at say 100 billion then 30 million in profits would move us to a legit .0003. That is with no pe multiple.
Look at a scenario that could be true
800 billion OS with 80 million profit = real value of .0001. That is EPS. With a multiple of 20 on the PE then a legit .002.
Since our admin costs are no where near that then most of the 80 million could be used for acquisitions, development, exploration, etc.
80 million could,1. Get a zinc mine going. = more revenue.
2. Get the processing plant in Rachel going = more revenue.
3. Get uranium project going = more revenue.
4. Get diamond operation in South America stable = more revenue
5. Get a diamond mine in Canada up if we have diamonds.
Basically, the Gold revenue if it produces 80 million profit for our company should take us to .002 with max OS.Let's say it is 40 million, then .001 , 10 million = .00025
I believe we are now ready for a rise. Thing is, revenue may not be reported for a quarter so it could be 3 months down the road.I think we are home free if no unforseen circumstances. With real numbers and no hype.
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God has a plan. He just hasn't issued a PR lately.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
nice news stroy. too bad that it wasnt Urban and CMKX instead of shoregold.it could have been if he woudl have spent the money and did the same thing they have done.
there could have been a pile more money for him in the diamond mine as opposed to the stock scam that he choose to pursue.
looke like there is some real potential out there in Fort a la Corne
oh well.
sometimes you win sometimes you loose.
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Originally posted by Forrestgump:
http://cmkx.yazzi.com/cbc_national_102204.htm
Posted by Just Looking on :
Speaking of mining stocks, have you seen this?! LOL http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/Forum2/HTML/005184.html
Posted by valves on :
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Originally posted by Upside:
Nope, not me Wallace. I'm as low tech as they come. Part owner of a steel distribution business. We sell raw material to machine shops, tool & die companies, etc. Pretty much on the bottom of the technology food chain.
Upside, we should talk steel! We just left Carpentar Steel and are looking for another vendor.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey valves and Up,Do I get a commission? LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Sure valves, we can talk about it. Many years ago we were an authorized Carpenter distributor until they pulled the plug on their whole distribution network. They are more into the specialty metals but depending on what you use, maybe we can do something. Wallace, we have independent reps. where we pay a 5% to 7% commission, depending on the margin. Good enough?
Posted by will on :
UPMan, if I had Wallace's money, I'd burn mine. Give him 0% commission.
Posted by Upside on :
0? Nada? Nothing? None?
Posted by will on :
Zip, Zilch, Zero!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
0? Nada? Nothing? None?
Posted by Upside on :
Got a better idea. I'll pay him in CMKX shares. That's pretty much the equivalent of nothing, right
Posted by will on :
He wouldn't have them. He give 'em to that bull that wrapped its ass in the CMKX shirt, and urinated on the poker chip.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Got a better idea. I'll pay him in CMKX shares. That's pretty much the equivalent of nothing, right
Posted by Upside on :
Thanks for reminding me, I've got a load of chips from the races, maybe he'd accept those. Or some of Joes shirts.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
you guys are too funny!
Posted by will on :
No we're not, we're bored to death, and need to get a proper life.
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
you guys are too funny!
Posted by Upside on :
I have a life and I call it CMKX.
Posted by will on :
euthanasia:
painless killing to relieve suffering: the act or practice of killing somebody who has an incurable illness or injury, or allowing or assisting that person to die.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
I have a life and I call it CMKX.
Posted by Upside on :
Thanks buddy, I appreciate that. Really makes me want to give myself the thumbs up. Oh well, cashing it in for the night now. A long day of watching the Bears lose and the Packers win. Looking forward to another bright, shiny CMKX day tomorrow! Goodnight all.
Posted by valves on :
Upside, go to our website and send an email to one of our customer service reps. Have them forward your email to Ken. That is if you don't want to put it here on the BBS.Ken
Posted by bill1352 on :
isnt the party this weekend??? the gold mine deal was good news but i'm wondering if cmkx will attempt to put out something in an effort to increase the pps. unfortunately with the o/s as it is anything short of large diamonds and a radiation alert from all the uranium found won't move it much (i know uranium isn't radioactive, its a joke, so no complaints please...lol)
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Damn bunch of jokers!! If you're giving it away, I'll take CMKX.By the way Upside, did you hear about about that major steel consolidation deal? Looks like others might be doing the same thing.
Good luck with valves, you cheapskate. LOL
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 25, 2004).]
Posted by valves on :
lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
All you diamond lovers on this thread might want to check out MDEX. Have done no DD on it, so do your own.
Posted by dwman on :
WOW! over a bil vol already!
Posted by will on :
1/780 of O/S.
It should be flying. LOL!
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
WOW! over a bil vol already!
Posted by bill1352 on :
well it did hit .0003...must mean instead of bouncing between .00015 & .00025 its between .0002 & .0003 which is improvement
Posted by will on :
Yea, the squeeze of the century, no doubt.
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
well it did hit .0003...must mean instead of bouncing between .00015 & .00025 its between .0002 & .0003 which is improvement
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
1/780 of O/S.
It should be flying. LOL!
It was just a comment will.
Posted by safeguard on :
Does anybody know if the new stuff on the web site ever get finished (CMKX website)?Can somebody post a link if it did? Thx
Posted by TruthTeller on :
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/041025/255921_1.htmlU.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Announces Initiation of Sarbanes-Oxley Compliance Preparations
Monday October 25, 12:52 pm ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 25, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD - News) announced today that it has initiated preparations for compliance with the upcoming additional requirements under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002. The initial step in this process for the company will be the formation of a corporate advisory board which shall report directly to the board of directors.
The company is currently performing due diligence on several potential candidates for the board. The company expects to have an announcement in regards to the selection of the initial members to the corporate advisory board within the next several days.Further details relative to this matter can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
---------------------------------------------Contact:
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc.
Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476
Posted by Upside on :
Safeguard,
Their site is here:
http://www.casavantmining.comIt appears it's mostly done although some of the links still return a "coming soon" page.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Considering that I built my website in less than a day, the company they hired must suck pretty bad....LOL
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Considering that I built my website in less than a day, the company they hired must suck pretty bad....LOLOr they lack content.... lol
Posted by Upside on :
Valves,
Any particular rep you want me to send it to? Or, just give me an address and I'll mail you out a stock book.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by ed19363:
quote:
Considering that I built my website in less than a day, the company they hired must suck pretty bad....LOLMelvin O'Neil Web Design, Inc.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Considering that I built my website in less than a day, the company they hired must suck pretty bad....LOLSounds like par for the course to me! LOL
Posted by valves on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Valves,
Any particular rep you want me to send it to? Or, just give me an address and I'll mail you out a stock book.Upside, if you would, go to the website listed on my profile and send any info to the nc address- attn: Ken
I don't want to put that info on here. It wouldn't be appropriate.
I'll be out of town next week so I'll give you a call the following week.
Thanks!
Ken
You may have to type the website in. I tried the link and it didn't work from there.
Posted by Upside on :
Gotcha valves, I'll email you something today.
Posted by valves on :
Sounds Good!
Posted by CouchP on :
So the shares that show up on myEtrade account turned out to be CMKX dividend shares, what are they worth, and which one is which? I have one symbol at 2 and the other at 7291.Thanks
Posted by Upside on :
Valves, you have mail.
Posted by GatorMan on :
quote:
Originally posted by CouchP:
So the shares that show up on myEtrade account turned out to be CMKX dividend shares, what are they worth, and which one is which? I have one symbol at 2 and the other at 7291.Thanks
For ETRADE:903328995 is UCAD
125809996 is CIM
all shares are restricted. CIM is not a ticker symbol, it's short for "CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING" which is not publically traded and thus worthless for all practicle purposes.------------------
~,-,-< GatorMan[This message has been edited by GatorMan (edited October 25, 2004).]
Posted by bill1352 on :
well according to my ameritrade streamer another 8.3 billion served today. its a good thing this stuff is done electronicly or a lot of tree's would die everyday. somebody somewhere besides the DTC & mm's has to be making some kind of money on this. the trick is finding out who & where & how. cmkx gets paid for each share only once and they can't be adding more to the market since they've dumped all they can already unless they increased the a/s again or are naked shorting themselves.
Posted by bill1352 on :
Didn't UC just give some money to Crystalix??? i know he gave money to a company with this type of name but i can't find the pr. anyway news from the same company i think. believe it or not it sounds like a real company if its the same one. based in nevada
http://www.otcbbtrader.com/portal/goto.dll;jsessionid=365F0F9307FC8B2DD72ABE0A8A58C0D5?cat=400&id=A%257D%255BE%2503%250E%2500%2501130083%2500417D5B45130083%2500%251C%2500
Posted by valves on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Valves, you have mail.Upside, just checked my emails. I got it. I'll give you a ring tomorrow.
Thanks!
Posted by GHOST on :
bill1352CYXG.OB > SEC Filings for CYXG.OB > Form 8-K on 29-Sep-2004 All Recent SEC Filings
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Form 8-K for CRYSTALIX GROUP INTERNATIONAL INC
29-Sep-2004
Entry Material Agreement, Financial Statements and Exhibits
ITEM 1.01 ENTRY INTO A MATERIAL DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTOn September 23, 2004, Crystalix Group International, Inc. ("Crystalix") executed and delivered to CMKXTREME.COM a convertible promissory note in the principal amount of $2,000,000 and a seven-year warrant to purchase 2,500,000 shares of common stock at $0.08 per share. The note is unsecured, accrues interest at 10% per annum, is due October 1, 2007, and requires monthly principal payments of $83,333 and accrued interest beginning November 1, 2004. The note is convertible as to any payment when due, as to all or any portion of the note upon the sale of 51% or more of Crystalix's outstanding common stock or sale of all of Crystalix's assets, or as to a portion of the note not to exceed $1,000,000 upon an event of default. The conversion price is the lesser of the average closing price of the common stock for the five business days immediately preceding the notice of conversion or $0.08. There is no relationship between Crystalix and CMKXTREME.COM, other than in respect of the transaction described above.
Crystalix will use the proceeds from the financing for working capital.
Crystalix has agreed to file a registration statement with the Securities and Exchange Commission in order to register the resale of the shares issuable upon conversion of the note and the shares issuable upon exercise of the warrant.
This summary description of the financing described by the documents does not purport to be complete and is qualified in its entirety by reference to the documents that are filed as Exhibits hereto.
ITEM 9.01 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND EXHIBITS
Exhibits:
REGULATION
S-B NUMBER DOCUMENT10.1 Convertible Promissory Note to CMKXTREME.COM dated September 23,
200410.2 Warrant to Purchase Common Stock issued to CMKXTREME.COM
10.3 Registration Rights Agreement with CMKXTREME.COM
Posted by sdrobert on :
I just want to start some craziness
ok I looked at my casavant intl. mining dividend. it used to say tender offer. now the name has been changed to casavant intl. mining equity. all of my dividends from other companies have nasdaq sc on them which is normal for most dividends but for some reason this thing with the equity name attached to it says amex. I am confused
Posted by sdrobert on :
when do restricted dividends have amex name associated I thought they always say nasdaq sc.
Posted by zippycal on :
They may be preparing for a cusip number change, to get rid of the short situation. Maybe AMEX is the target exchange once reporting.chris
Posted by bill1352 on :
neither cmkx or CIM would come close to qualifing for AMEX they need a $3 pps & a 3 yr history of making money & neither come close.
Posted by safeguard on :
Aren't shareholders of UCAD supposed to get a F/S today?From UCAD pr Oct 15th...
The Company's earlier announced 3 for 1 forward split is expected to be effective October 25, 2004.
All shareholders of record as of that date will participate in the split.[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 26, 2004).]
Posted by safeguard on :
Interesting...Wall Street News Alert: Aggressive Traders Alert! October 26, 2004, Part 3
10/26/2004 7:29:56 AMWeston, FLA., Oct 26, 2004 (M2 PRESSWIRE via COMTEX) -- Wall Street News Alert`s "stocks to watch" this morning are:
ART International Corp. ( ARIOF ),
Broadcom Corporation ( BRCM ),
Dell Inc. ( DELL ),
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. ( WMT ) and
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. ( CMKX ).[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 26, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
Here's the key to anything you read from "Wall Street News Alert":This profile is not without bias, and is a paid release. WSCF has been compensated for dissemination of company information on behalf of one or more of the companies mentioned in this release.
They are about as reputable as the Green Baron. It's another paid pumping firm.
Posted by JEAL on :
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. 3-for-1 Forward Split and Symbol Change Effective
Tuesday October 26, 1:43 pm ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 26, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD - News) announced today that the company's 3-for-1 forward split has been declared effective as of the open of the market tomorrow, Oct. 27, 2004. The company's new trading symbol is USCA. This restructuring of the company will allow for the pursuit of additional avenues of financing and future acquisitions.
John Woodward, president of UCAD, exclaimed, "We are appreciative of everyone's efforts in making this forward split effective. The forward split of the company's securities should open exciting pathways for future growth and additional shareholder value."Further details relative to this matter can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Contact:
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc.
Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc.
Posted by bill1352 on :
and they are up .60 today on volume of 43,000. wont see movement like that anymore at least not on the volume
Posted by safeguard on :
Maybe a silly question but are the UCAD FS shares restricted since the distribution shares are, the ones that came via CMKX?
Posted by will on :
It was discussed days ago. The answer is yes, they are restricted. Confirmed through the PR person at UCAD.
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
Maybe a silly question but are the UCAD FS shares restricted since the distribution shares are, the ones that came via CMKX?
Posted by Upside on :
Yep, they're restricted. I e-mailed UCAD asking them that very question when they announced the split.
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Here's the key to anything you read from "Wall Street News Alert":This profile is not without bias, and is a paid release. WSCF has been compensated for dissemination of company information on behalf of one or more of the companies mentioned in this release.
They are about as reputable as the Green Baron. It's another paid pumping firm.
Interesting Upside, do you have anything solid that would substantiate that on these particular companies? Shouldn't these companies be required to disclose this type of "advertising".
Do you think CMKX paid for that statement?
Posted by Upside on :
Workaholic,
The middle part of my post that you copied is pulled from the "alert" that they put out. I should have enclosed it in quotes or something. Also, the Green Baron, on their site, comes rite out and states that their parent company, Evergreen Marketing, is a holder of CMKX and they state they have been adding to their position since they began covering them. To me, that is paid pumping or pumping for your own self interest. At the very least, it's not impartial journalism.
Posted by glfpimp on :
Do our restricted shares get affected by the 3 for 1 split?
Posted by Upside on :
glfpimp,
We participate in the split but our new shares are restricted just like the originals.
Posted by sdrobert on :
125809996 AMEX CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING EQUITYthis is what it says for my CIM dividend through etrade
that really didn't answer my question bill.
Most dividends from alot of companies have either unknown or nasdaq sc
Ive never seen it with amex thats what I am asking why does it have amex I am not saying that I think it is a stock exchanged on the amex or that it qualifies I am asking for the reason they had to use the amex instead of nasdaq sc. I just dont understand. this is what I know being a newbeeotc is pink sheet stocks
otcbb is over the counter bulletin board stocksnasdaq sc is dividends
nasdaq nm is stocks that are trading on the nasdaq stock exchange
nyse are trading on that exchange
and I thought amex only refered to stock that was contained on the AMEX exchange I know the number is a cusip but like I said before usualy I see dividends having a cusip and "nasdaq sc" and the company name. could it be that etrade just puts random things when they dont know? maybe thats why it said tender offer in front of it before and now it says equity with the amex. maybe they are just pulling random names out of their butts. I dont know thats why I am asking. obvious cmkx would not qualify again that wasnt the stock in question. if anyone actually knows please respond there has to be a logical answer not it does not qualify so there is no reason.
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
neither cmkx or CIM would come close to qualifing for AMEX they need a $3 pps & a 3 yr history of making money & neither come close.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Gold hit a 7 year high today.
I just saw the Ecuador mine video
on cmxkpics com.
Worth a look.Looked good to me.
Posted by Upside on :
Wallace or anyone please answer a question if you can. What is the reasoning in issuing restricted shares as a dividend? Correct me if I'm wrong but all of the costs involved in the issuance have already been borne by the companies correct? It will not have any affect on them if these shares eventually trade at .10 or $100.00 per share correct? If thats the case, why keep them restricted?
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Workaholic,
The middle part of my post that you copied is pulled from the "alert" that they put out. I should have enclosed it in quotes or something. Also, the Green Baron, on their site, comes rite out and states that their parent company, Evergreen Marketing, is a holder of CMKX and they state they have been adding to their position since they began covering them. To me, that is paid pumping or pumping for your own self interest. At the very least, it's not impartial journalism.Thanks Up, I did know that but for some reason I thought that this particular news "wire" company was someone else. There's way too many hidden agendas in all of this. Hard to keep track. Thanks for the reality check.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Wallace or anyone please answer a question if you can. What is the reasoning in issuing restricted shares as a dividend? Correct me if I'm wrong but all of the costs involved in the issuance have already been borne by the companies correct? It will not have any affect on them if these shares eventually trade at .10 or $100.00 per share correct? If thats the case, why keep them restricted?UP,
I am unsure as to the correct answer to your question. Maybe it has something to do with voting control, but I don't know if those restricted shares would have voting privileges. Second, as I recall, UCAD has a preferred stock that controls or could control anyway, so it should not make any difference.
As to how restricted shares are accounted for on the balance sheet and income statement, I do not know. Never had occasion to run across that problem.
Interesting subject....the rights, privileges, positives and negatives of restricted shares. Will have to look into it.
Sorry, I am not of much help. Is that why I don't get a commission? LOL
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 26, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
my guess is that it would equate to dilution. by keeping them restricted the shares are not counted in the outstanding share count. these shares would have come out of the a/s that have not been issued. so if they where unrestricted that would increase the o/s which equates in dilution and lower ppsJMHO
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
UP,I am unsure as to the correct answer to your question. Maybe it has something to do with voting control, but I don't know if those restricted shares would have voting privileges. Second, as I recall, UCAD has a preferred stock that controls or could control anyway, so it should not make any difference.
As to how restricted shares are accounted for on the balance sheet and income statement, I do not know. Never had occasion to run across that problem.
Interesting subject....the rights, privileges, positives and negatives of restricted shares. Will have to look into it.
Sorry, I am not of much help. Is that why I don't get a commission? LOL
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 26, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
Sorry, I am not of much help. Is that why I don't get a commission? LOLNo commission until a sale goes through. Look at it this way though, a sale of 200.00 would equate to 1 million CMKX shares gross. Your cut if paid in shares would be 7% or 70,000 shares. 15 sales that size would put you over a million shares, well on your way to being a millionaire when this stock erupts!
Posted by Upside on :
penny-trader,
Assuming that's the reason, dilution, thereby lowering the pps, does that tell you anthing about the recent run-up in UCAD's pps?
Posted by will on :
I told you, he gets nothing!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Wallace #1:
No commission until a sale goes through. Look at it this way though, a sale of 200.00 would equate to 1 million CMKX shares gross. Your cut if paid in shares would be 7% or 70,000 shares. 15 sales that size would put you over a million shares, well on your way to being a millionaire when this stock erupts!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by will:
quote:
I told you, he gets nothing!But if I pay him in CMKX shares, in effect that's what he's getting.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Up,This is getting interesting. Just a cursory check suggests that a company might be able to dictate the value of a restricted share of stock at the end of the restriction period. If that is the case, and I am checking further, it seems that UCAD could say each restricted share is worth .0001 as opposed to what the going market is per share. For example, I ran across this:
"The maximum amount payable (determined at the end of the applicable
restriction period) in any one fiscal year to any one participant for
Restricted Stock Units is the higher of $10,000,000 or 1,000,000 shares
of Common Stock."That was for a public utility named Southern Company.
I do not know if the UCAD restricted shares are or will be treated identically to so-called restricted shares of insiders.
Fascinating!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Upside and Will,You're both a pair of creeps!!! LMAO Guess you both caught some kind of disease when you went to the CMKXtreme race. LOL
I'm going back to studying restricted shares.
Posted by Upside on :
Since there's only us "bashers" here tonight, let me bounce something off you guys. Could it be that there is a very good reason that those shares were restricted? To be more specific, restricted so that we could not dilute the pps thereby putting a damper on the run up so that certain people wouldn't benefit greatly from an artificially inflated pps and a 3 for 1 forward split? Anyone see where I'm going with this?
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
You're both a pair of creeps!!! LMAO Guess you both caught some kind of disease when you went to the CMKXtreme race. LOLIf I caught anything I probably caught it from Will. Ever get a look at him?
Posted by will on :
Next time we go somewhere, UpMan, I want to take Wallace's old ass with us.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Wallace #1:
If I caught anything I probably caught it from Will. Ever get a look at him?
Posted by Upside on :
Don't know where he lives but maybe there's a race taking place near him? Get him a load of CMKX shirts, poker chips, and other handouts.
Posted by Upside on :
No comments huh?
Posted by will on :
He's busy studying, you put him on a mission now. We'll see him next week sometime.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
No comments huh?
Posted by Upside on :
Ok will, a question for you. Remember when we met Anthony AKA Topogigio at the races and I asked him to "throw us a bone"? Remember he told us about the CMKX Oliver Stone directed movie but in addition he kind of whispered "buy UCAD"?
Posted by will on :
Yea, he mentioned it traded 900K shares or something?
soooooooooooo?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Ok will, a question for you. Remember when we met Anthony AKA Topogigio at the races and I asked him to "throw us a bone"? Remember he told us about the CMKX Oliver Stone directed movie but in addition he kind of whispered "buy UCAD"?
Posted by Upside on :
Who is going to benefit from that big runup? Certainly not us with our restricted shares. As penny-trader said earlier, if we could sell them we would have diluted the pps and hampered this big run up. I think topo knew that a massive run up was coming. Prior to that UCAD traded a few thousand shares a day and all of a sudden it was doing a million +? You really think it's because they bought 5% of CMKX's mineral claims? That was old news by then. More and more this is looking like a calculated run up to benefit guess who? Run it up to 15 or so then have a 3 for 1 split. We can't affect it at all because our shares are locked up. Who was doing all that buying?[This message has been edited by Upside (edited October 26, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Since there's only us "bashers" here tonight, let me bounce something off you guys. Could it be that there is a very good reason that those shares were restricted? To be more specific, restricted so that we could not dilute the pps thereby putting a damper on the run up so that certain people wouldn't benefit greatly from an artificially inflated pps and a 3 for 1 forward split? Anyone see where I'm going with this?Think I know where you might be headed above, but could you be a bit more specific?
********************************************
Here's a definition I found, but it is for Canadian Exchanges (our's may have different standards):Restricted Shares Shares that have limited voting rights or in some cases, no voting rights. These shares participate in a company's earnings and assets in liquidation as common shares do and are sometimes referred to as restricted common shares. Restricted shares may not command the same market price as voting common shares of the same company since they do not have voting rights.
W's Note: The above suggests that said restricted shares could be traded...at least in Canada...since the definition refers to market price. Bear in mind I am not specifically referring to UCAD's restricted shares. Maybe UCAD's SEC filings refer to the rights of such shares...anyone checked that out?
*******************************************
As far as getting my butt out to one of those races, which one of you clowns found out where I lived and sent me all that crap...T-Shirt, chip and literature? You, Upsides? And if you say "No", I'm going to think you are a lying sack of dog bones!!! LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Wallace, read my post above your last one for specifics. I don't know where you live and I only took one shirt (which I cherish) so it wasn't me. I do however have about 20 poker chips but those are going up for auction on E-Bay when CMKX makes history!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I think I get your drift. Where in hell is all the money coming from when no one company has any? Certainly, not from mining results. Where else? There's just too much of it passing around from one to the other. Just how big is that bed?Speaking of bed, I have a few things to do and then hit the sack. Good night. Good luck.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 26, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
Where in hell is all the money coming from when no one company has any? Certainly, not from mining results. Where else?Individuals known to Urban and his ilk. Start buying like mad around 3.00 per share, run it up to 15.00 or so, probably averaging in the 7.00 range. Reap the 3 for 1 split, then sell over the course of ayear or so. Eventually the pps is back where it should be and our shares become unrestricted in a fully diluted, no revenue company.
I better go to bed too, I'm starting to sound like the Dr. D of the dark side.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
man you guys are always trying to find SOME WAY to make this company not real. if CMKX does not have enough things going on to prove to you its worth then i dont see any other pink sheet worth your time and you might as well trade your blue chips and make 5 dollars over six months.you guys are reminding me of janice shell
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CashCow
Posted by SmokingUSA on :
CashCowMoo:
Total agreement with you!________________________________________
QUOTE:
"Member posted October 27, 2004 05:13 man you guys are always trying to find SOME WAY to make this company not real. if CMKX does not have enough things going on to prove to you its worth then i dont see any other pink sheet worth your time and you might as well trade your blue chips and make 5 dollars over six months.you guys are reminding me of janice shell"
_____________________________________________QUOTE: Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. (NYE : WMT)
*Market Closed
Last Trade Time : Oct 26, 2004 16:03:00 EST Refresh
Last Sale
52.8200 Open 52.300
Change 0.520 Prev. Close 52.300
% Change 0.99% Tick Type UP
Volume 8,918,700 Shares (last trade) 374300
Day High 52.950 52 Week High 61.310
Day Low 52.230 52 Week Low 50.500
Bid N/A Ask 0.000
Bid Size 0 Ask Size 0
# Trades 7,590 Industry Consumer Goods
Fundamental Data
P/E 23.9000 Market Cap (m) 224,089.38
Earnings/Share 2.2100 Shares Out. (m) 4,242.51
Dividend per share 0.5200 Exchange NYE
Current Div. Yield 0.9000 Ex Dividend Date DEC 15, 2005
NYSE and AMEX data delayed 20 min. All other exchanges delayed 15 min
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Here you go.....UCAD is now USCA.
Forward Split effective today.
I wonder what the exciting news in the next few days will be????
Here come the RUMOURS..........lol
http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=107468[This message has been edited by Bigrod40 (edited October 27, 2004).]
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
After today, two more trading days for that October Surprise.
Posted by JEAL on :
NOTE - ...."We expect to have some exciting announcements in the next few days."Who knows what this means - wait and see I guess, but I bet this is part of the set-up for the joint shareholders meeting this weekend
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. 3-for-1 Forward Split and Symbol Change Effective Today
Wednesday October 27, 5:30 am ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 27, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTCBB: USCA - News) announced today that the company's 3-for-1 forward split has been declared effective. The former symbol for the company was UCAD. This restructuring of the company will allow for the pursuit of additional avenues of financing and future acquisitions.
Rendal Williams, CEO of USCA, stated: "With the split and new symbol now effective, the company will continue pursuit of its goals as stated by the board of directors. We expect to have some exciting announcements in the next few days."Further details relative to this matter can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
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Contact:
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc.
Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476
Posted by thinkmoney on :
when does the split show up for the restricted shareS? My ameritrade ucad is still the same.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Then it turns into the November surprise??quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
After today, two more trading days for that October Surprise.
Posted by KellieAnn on :
Does anyone else besides me not have their cim dividend in their accout yet?
Posted by safeguard on :
Nov 15th for 1st payment
Nov 30th for 2nd payment
Oops, soory that's the GEMM divvy payment dates[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 27, 2004).]
Got my Casavant International Mining stocks on the 19th I think.
[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 27, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Brings New Processing Online
Wednesday October 27, 12:42 pm ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 27, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTCBB: USCA - News) announced today that it has completed the acquisition of a controlling interest in a new processing plant in Buza, Ecuador. The first stage of the facility is 95% complete. The first stage of the plant will have capacity to process approximately 70 tons of gold ore per day. When completed, the second stage of the plant will have processing capacity of approximately 400 to 500 tons of gold ore per day.
Rendal Williams, CEO of USCA, stated: "I am excited that this new acquisition will bring our total processing capacity in Ecuador to over 130 tons per day." Williams continued, "Through our commitment to CMKM Diamonds and Nevada Minerals, USCA is working diligently to expand its production facilities to stay ahead of the processing requirements of the American Shaft gold ore production."Further details relative to this matter can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.
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Contact:
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc.
Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476
Posted by bill1352 on :
the oct. suprise is ,0001...anyway if i remember correctly this so called suprise started with zen, dr. d or sterling, it didn't come from cmkx. they had the idea that because of the party cmkx must have something up their sleeve to make us shareholders very happy. ucad did say their shareholders would be happy & about an $8 pps increase would make me happy. even today 3 for 1 split at $14 & its at $5.55[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 27, 2004).]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Ameritrade has not credited the split yet, but I wouldnt get too nervous. They frequently dont credit until the end of the business day. Besides, they are restricted shares anyway, so there is no diff if you get them today, tomorrow or next week....you're stuck with them anyway....LOL
Ed
Posted by valves on :
CMKM Diamonds Inc. and Minera Nevada S.A. Announce First Ore Production and Shipment
10/27/2004 2:32:00 PM
LAS VEGAS, Oct 27, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Minera Nevada S.A. and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) proudly announced today that the first week of gold ore has been mined at the American Mine in Ecuador and has been shipped to U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc.'s (USCA) Yellow River processing facility for immediate ore extraction.Urban Casavant, president of CMKM Diamonds Inc., exclaimed, "It's an exciting day for the CMKX shareholders. Our diversification plan is well underway and moving toward revenue and income."
Further details relative to this matter can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
www.casavantmining.comThis press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release.
SOURCE: CMKM Diamonds Inc.
CMKM Diamonds Inc.
Diamonds Hotline:
Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755 or 877-752-3755
Fax: 306-752-3754
Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Now we have a producing gold mine, with gold around the $423.00 U.S. mark, we should see a move up from .0002 (you would think)
Companies over in Russia that produce little gold sell for .06 Can. on the TSX.
Posted by valves on :
Upside, good talking to you! This pr came out shortly after we got off the phone. We might want to make that phone call a little more often!-Ken
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Bigrod40:
Now we have a producing gold mine, with gold around the $423.00 U.S. mark, we should see a move up from .0002 (you would think)
Companies over in Russia that produce little gold sell for .06 Can. on the TSX.
What's their O/S though?
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
EGX...118 million
I hear yeah
Wishful thinking, I guess
Posted by ed19363 on :
Hummmm, let's see...$423 an ounce, 12 ounces in a troy pound, 2000 pounds in a ton.
800 million shares.
423X12X2000/800,000,000=.01269
So, for every ton of gold, the pps should move .01269.....Now how long does it take to mine and process a ton of gold?
Keep dreaming, folks, we got a LONG way to go.
Posted by skippy on :
And that assumes there is no costs related to mining, processing, and selling that gold.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh, darn, I knew I forgot something....LOLquote:
Originally posted by skippy:
And that assumes there is no costs related to mining, processing, and selling that gold.
Posted by Upside on :
There's Gold in them thar Ecuadorian hills Urban! Now go on out and get you some! Make us all rich! LOL!
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Portovelo,Ecuadors' Oct. 19, 2004 PR anticipated 80 tons of gold ore(thanks RJR)a work week in less than 5 weeks now(via pr).
Looks like they are on schedule or better with todays news.
80 tons a week enough for ya Upman.Or at least get you started?[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 27, 2004).]
Posted by RaiderJR on :
They are actually shooting at processing 300-500 tons in 90 days.Of every ton you get like .3 oz of gold. Remember it is ore not gold.
.3 X 500 = 150 oz per day.
The avg price for processing = 160/ton
Remember though UCAD owns the plant so a large part of that will be theirs.
423-160=263/oz profit X 150 = 39450 X 365 =
14,399,250 per year
That is pretty much maxed out. I would expect half that.7 mill/800 billion X30 pe = .000261 pps
I don't see this moving pps til it helps us mine zinc, uranium, or diamonds.Or other acquisitions. It is a good start.
Add 14 million to the Junia diamonds and you might reach 20 million in income.
20/800 bill x 30 = .00075/sh
Might move it a three bagger.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Highwaychild:
quote:
Looks like they are on schedule or better with todays news.
80 tons a week enough for ya Upman.Or at least get you started?Highway,
Call me cynical, jaded, or just plain stupid but I won't believe it until I see concrete proof of it. If it's real, I applaud them and think it's a great thing for all of us but I've seen too many broken promises to not take everthing they say with a grain of salt.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
no one said it is not showing its worth. we know they have proved thier worth and the proof showed the worth to be .0002
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
man you guys are always trying to find SOME WAY to make this company not real. if CMKX does not have enough things going on to prove to you its worth then i dont see any other pink sheet worth your time and you might as well trade your blue chips and make 5 dollars over six months.you guys are reminding me of janice shell
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I hear ya Upman.
Seems to be a step in the right direction, to me.I mean at least this puts the mine in mining company.
The video of the mine on cmkxpics com at least adds tangibility to it in my book.
But you're right I'm just sitting back watching this unfold as well.[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 27, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
yes but they are not diluted with 770 billion shares
quote:
Originally posted by Bigrod40:
Now we have a producing gold mine, with gold around the $423.00 U.S. mark, we should see a move up from .0002 (you would think)
Companies over in Russia that produce little gold sell for .06 Can. on the TSX.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
and also that we own the mine 100% which we dont
quote:
Originally posted by skippy:
And that assumes there is no costs related to mining, processing, and selling that gold.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
your still probably very high on the price.you are assuming that you are going to get the going price of the gold. you have to take into consideration that the gold gets brokered and there are fees for that and you are pulling the gold from another country and i would expect that they are getting a royalty off the gold. and there are all kinds of hidden costs that we have no idea exist.
so ya you are really high on the final out come.
quote:
Originally posted by RaiderJR:
They are actually shooting at processing 300-500 tons in 90 days.Of every ton you get like .3 oz of gold. Remember it is ore not gold.
.3 X 500 = 150 oz per day.
The avg price for processing = 160/ton
Remember though UCAD owns the plant so a large part of that will be theirs.
423-160=263/oz profit X 150 = 39450 X 365 =
14,399,250 per year
That is pretty much maxed out. I would expect half that.7 mill/800 billion X30 pe = .000261 pps
I don't see this moving pps til it helps us mine zinc, uranium, or diamonds.Or other acquisitions. It is a good start.
Add 14 million to the Junia diamonds and you might reach 20 million in income.
20/800 bill x 30 = .00075/sh
Might move it a three bagger.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I agree, I said it was maxed out.
It just shows how it can be figured.The current pps is probably about right for what they have shown so far.
At least we are a legit .0002 and should move higher with our next project.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
PS the tour guide in the video said there are 3 oz of silver for every ounce of Gold.
Since the pr says income we should expect the revenue to exceed our current exploration expenses right. It is a platform for better things.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Where are you guys getting all those numbers as to ore shipments? Maybe they shipped a few tons, OR, maybe the shipped a wheelbarrow full! You don't know and, as usual, the CMKX release does not give you all the proper information with which to draw any conclusions at all.Was that the mine where there were only a few locals with picks and shovels according to UCAD?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
RJR,You wrote:
Since the pr says income we should expect the revenue to exceed our current exploration expenses right. It is a platform for better things.
******************************I am willing to bet they would use those words (income vs revenue) interchangeably.
I wouldn't get too excited if I were you.*****************
"Our diversification plan is well underway and moving toward revenue and income."
Guess they did use both words, so, maybe they know the difference. Still wouldn't get too excited. Income is probably a hell of a long way off...if ever!
What happened to diamond mining instead of diversification?
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 27, 2004).]
Posted by Highwaychild on :
This is where I got my less than 5 weeks.
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PORTOVELO, Ecuador--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 19, 2004--In BW5446 issued Oct. 19, 2004: Please replace the release with the following corrected version due to multiple revisions.
The corrected release reads:CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. ANNOUNCES THE SUCCESS OF ITS INTEGRATED BUSINESS PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT IN ECUADOR
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News) headed by its CEO Urban Casavant and his advisory team accompanied by the company's SEC attorney Roger Glenn successfully concluded the major ownership acquisition of the established American Mine here in Portovelo today. CMKM Diamonds and its operating partner Minera Nevada SA a subsidiary of Nevada Minerals, Inc. of Las Vegas, Nevada will manage a major corridor of gold production inside this region. The current yield coming through the American Mine is 40 tons of gold ore on a daily average. Alejandro Diaz, President of Minera Nevada SA exclaims,
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"Within the next 6 working weeks the production will raise to a steady 80 tons of gold ore per work day as we start our second shift of underground mining team.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
" Diaz continues, "All will be done to ramp the mining production to complete our obligations to Yellow River and US Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD - News) for their addition of two additional mills to Yellow River and the new production facility of the Buza coming on line over the next 90 days to build up to 300 tons of gold ore processing per day to satisfy the volume increase of the American Mine build up of production."The advisory team had members from legal, accounting, operations and feasibility to assess all probabilities on expansion and further development of other opportunities from CMKX, UCAD, and Nevada Minerals. The team was introduced to the on ground executive team that will lead the way through the start up phase one process. US Canadian Minerals CEO Rendal Williams explains, "UCAD has considerable time and dollars invested here in South America, especially Ecuador. We believe there is a major shift of technologies that this region has been starving for and we as UCAD plan to lead the way and share this knowledge with those who wish to expand their current ore production."
The American Mine sits inside the Zaruma-Portovelo Mining District. This district has a recorded historic production of more than 4.5 million ounces of gold and 19 million ounces of silver, as well as significant tonnages of copper, zinc and lead concentrates.
The American Mine located in Portovelo, Ecuador consists of a 100 ton hoist system that will from up to the depth of one of its 13 levels, deliver gold ore to the surface to a 35 ton drop shoot that will be supported by a jaw crusher and a cone crusher to minimize processing time for expedited production flow at the Yellow River Processing Plant. Urban Casavant CEO of CMKX said, "Through the combined efforts of all the parties in this venture we have gathered a new frontier for the well being of our shareholders and company alike. The company will be moving rapidly into a revenue model here in the fourth quarter."
There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
This press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Highwaychild,Don't you find the following a bit contradictory:
Urban Casavant CEO of CMKX said, "Through the combined efforts of all the parties in this venture we have gathered a new frontier for the well being of our shareholders and company alike. The company will be moving rapidly into a revenue model here in the fourth quarter."
There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
its called CYA Cover you azz
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Highwaychild,Don't you find the following a bit contradictory:
Urban Casavant CEO of CMKX said, "Through the combined efforts of all the parties in this venture we have gathered a new frontier for the well being of our shareholders and company alike. The company will be moving rapidly into a revenue model here in the fourth quarter."
There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
Posted by Upside on :
Watching the video now. I liked the part where the camera zooms in on about a thousand sand bags and they claim "those bags are all filled with gold". Looks like Urban's eating pretty well too.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
USCA halted with the following code..
H.10 Trading Halt - SEC Trading Suspension .
The Securities and Exchange Commission has suspended trading in the security until further notice .
Posted by Upside on :
That could be good or bad. An H10 halt is the most ambiguous code of them all. It doesn't tell you anything. If it were halted pending news, it would be halted under I believe a T1 code. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Posted by JEAL on :
OK - Any ideas why?It hasnt showed up on Yahoo as a PR or anything yet
Posted by justplayin on :
My Schwab screening shows it's still trading.What gives??
Posted by TruthTeller on :
--------------------------------------- http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/34-50599.htmU.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C.
SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
RELEASE NO. 50599 / October 28, 2004
The Securities and Exchange Commission announced the temporary suspension, pursuant to Section 12(k) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 ("Exchange Act"), of over-the-counter trading of the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board symbol “USCA”), of Las Vegas, Nevada. The suspension will commence at 9:30 a.m. EDT, October 28, 2004, through 11:59 p.m. EST, on November 10, 2004.The Commission temporarily suspended trading in the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals because of questions that have been raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning, among other things, U.S. Canadian Minerals’ financing and mining activities and the value of U.S. Canadian Minerals’ purported assets.
The Commission cautions broker-dealers, shareholders, and prospective purchasers that they should carefully consider the foregoing information along with all other currently available information and any information subsequently issued by U.S. Canadian Minerals.
Further, brokers and dealers should be alert to the fact that, pursuant to Rule 15c2-11 under the Exchange Act, at the termination of the trading suspension, no quotation may be entered unless and until they have strictly complied with all of the provisions of the rule. If any broker or dealer has any questions as to whether or not he has complied with the rule, he should not enter any quotation but immediately contact the staff of the Securities and Exchange Commission in Washington, D.C. If any broker or dealer is uncertain as to what is required by Rule 15c2-11, he should refrain from entering quotations relating to the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals until such time as he has familiarized himself with the rule and is certain that all of its provisions have been met. If any broker or dealer enters any quotation for the stock of U.S. Canadian Minerals that is in violation of the rule, the Commission will consider the need for prompt enforcement action.
The Commission acknowledges the assistance of the National Association of Securities Dealers, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission, and the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority in this matter.
If any broker-dealer or other person has any information that may relate to this matter, call Michele Wein Layne of the Pacific Regional Office of the Securities and Exchange Commission at (323) 965-3850.
Posted by Upside on :
Doing a little more digging here, an H10 halt is an SEC halt, not a trading market halt. Again, can't say if that's good or bad but if the SEC is halting them, I'd guess something serious is in the works.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Copy paste
http://www.sfsc.gov.sk.ca/ssc/files/enforcementorders%202004/casavantminingkimberlite(temporder)oct26-04.pdf
Posted by Bob Frey on :
IN THE MATTER OF
THE SECURITIES ACT, 1988, S.S. 1988, c. S-42.2
AND
IN THE MATTER OF
URBAN ARMAND JOSEPH CASAVANT
DAVID DeSORMEAU
CASAVANT MINING KIMBERLITE INTERNATIONAL
CMKM DIAMONDS, INC.
MELVIN A. O'NEIL
TEMPORARY ORDER
(Section 134)
WHEREAS the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission (the "Commission") has
delegated to the Director of the Securities Division (the "Director") the power to make orders
pursuant to Section 134 of The Securities Act, 1988 (the Act);
WHEREAS it has been represented to the Director by the staff of the Commission that:
1. Urban Armand Joseph Casavant ("Casavant"), David DeSormeau ("DeSormeau"),
Casavant Mining Kimberlite International ("CMKI"), CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
("CMKM") and Melvin A. O'Neil ("O'Neil"), (collectively the "Respondents") have
traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM in Saskatchewan;
2. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when they were not
registered pursuant to section 27 of the Act;
3. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when no receipt had been
issued pursuant to section 58 of the Act with respect to those securities;
4. The Commission or Director has not issued an order pursuant to sections 83, 160 or any
other provision of the Act exempting the Respondents and the securities of CMKI and
CMKM from the registration and prospectus requirements of the Act;
5. The Respondents have, with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of CMKI
and CMKM, made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are
misrepresentations, contrary to subsection 44(3.1) of the Act;
AND WHEREAS the Director is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this
Order;
AND WHEREAS the Director is of the opinion that the length of time required for a hearing
would be prejudicial to the public interest;
THE DIRECTOR HEREBY ORDERS:
1. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act that trading in all securities by and of
The Respondents cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004; and
2. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(a) of the Act, that the exemptions contained in sections 38, 39,
39.1, 81, 82 and 102 of the Act and the exemptions contained in The Securities
Regulations, R.R.S., c. S-42.2 Reg 1, which provide for exemptions from the
requirements of sections 27, 58, 71 or 104 to 109 of the Act, shall not apply forthwith up
to and including November 9, 2004, with respect to any trade in securities by the
Respondents;
AND TAKE NOTICE THAT:
1. This Order may be extended for such period as the Director considers necessary where
sufficient information is not provided to the Director on or before November 9, 2004;
2. The Commission will, at the request of any person or company named in this Order, grant
a hearing before the Commission with respect to the within matter, such hearing to be
held at such time and place as the Commission shall determine;
3. The purpose of such hearing will be to consider whether it is in the public interest that a
permanent cease trade order pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act and a permanent
prohibition of statutory exemptions pursuant to clause 134(1)(a) of the Act be made with
respect to the Respondents by reason of the conduct herein before described and by
reason of failing to provide the Commission with satisfactory information on or before
the date of the hearing or any extension thereof by the Commission;
4. Any party to these proceedings may be represented by counsel of their choice at any such
hearing before the Commission; and
5. Upon failure of any party to attend any such hearing at the time and place set therefore,
the hearing may proceed in the absence of such party and such party is not entitled to any
further notice of the proceedings therein.
DATED at Regina, Saskatchewan on October 26, 2004.
“Barbara Shourounis”
Barbara Shourounis[This message has been edited by Bob Frey (edited October 28, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
Somehow, someway, I just know someone is going to put a positive spin on this.
Posted by Bob Frey on :
Let me try up...Says they were trading had to be insider buying right...
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Frey:
Let me try up...Says they were trading had to be insider buying right...
Looks like this will pour rain on the upcoming Las Vegas party.
Steve
Posted by TruthTeller on :
I will try to put possitive spinThey were alleged trading CMKI and CMKM that was long time ago. Its been CMKX for many months. Why now? May be like pumpers said, since they know CMKM is NSSed to the fullest, they had their relaties buy so many CMKM for 0001. Is that the things this sask govt filing case agains?
Why isn't CMKX not halted? So that ppl can sell for 0001 here?hehehe..I tried my best..
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Somehow, someway, I just know someone is going to put a positive spin on this.
Posted by Upside on :
I honestly hope that this isn't just the tip of one immense iceberg. There's two issues at play here with CMKX and UCAD and I can't imagine Urban somehow not being dragged into the UCAD mess. I hope this all works out as I have money at stake here too but as of right now, this is not good at all.
Posted by JEAL on :
Does this mean that the bottom has just fallen out of CMKX?Sorry if this is a silly question
Posted by JEAL on :
USCA - Trading halted - no prCMKX - no pr, but apparently an SEC form filed for temp order.
I am really confused.
Can someone help me understand all of this.
Posted by ed19363 on :
We have been had. Count up your losses. Last time I saw this happen, the company NEVER came back.
Nice knowing you guyz....
Posted by safeguard on :
That would be companies in this case
Posted by mdec on :
Wallace, where are you?
Posted by Upside on :
I knew it! Current thinking from somewhere else:
quote:
I think theiy're locking up the ucad shares as it will bring clarity to the scope of nss. 10 days seems like a long time, probably needed to smoke out all fraudulent shares. This is gonna get good, very soon. I just hope you've loaded up on your cmkx, gemm, and sggm shares by now! -IMO, of course.and:
quote:
Do you think this has naything to do with CMKX going to be fully reporting shortly and the SEC cannot believe that thier is such a large NSS and it happened under their "watchful" eyes?and my favorite so far:
quote:
a halt=a merger with cmkx, gemm, sggm, etc into a huge co with huge value on a bigger exchange. isnt this what weve been waiting for?
Posted by safeguard on :
Here is one thought on the situation...
http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB00206&read=16013
Posted by JEAL on :
Safeguard,Can you please copy and paste the link - firewall at work is blocking access to the site
TIA
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Safeguard,Can you please copy and paste the link - firewall at work is blocking access to the site
TIA
By: woody1235
28 Oct 2004, 12:30 PM EDT
Msg. 16013 of 16021
Jump to msg. #
**CALL SEC TO CONFIRM--GREAT NEWS***********
SEC AND DTCC GETTING INVOLVED NOW--GREAT NEWS..THE HALTIS FOR THE NAKED SHORTS NOT PUTTING SPLIT SHARES IN OUR ACCOUNTS..
Posted by JEAL on :
Safeguard -Thanks - does that seem realistic to anyone? That seems maybe a little more beleiveable then some gian merger or something of that nature.
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
By: woody1235
28 Oct 2004, 12:30 PM EDT
Msg. 16013 of 16021
Jump to msg. #
**CALL SEC TO CONFIRM--GREAT NEWS***********
SEC AND DTCC GETTING INVOLVED NOW--GREAT NEWS..THE HALTIS FOR THE NAKED SHORTS NOT PUTTING SPLIT SHARES IN OUR ACCOUNTS..
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Yo Ho Ho and a barrel of kimberlite! If you're not out now, better SELL, SELL, SELL!The truth is, I do feel badly for the so many of you that got sucked into buying because of all the avid pumpers. Sure would like to hear noahltl's and other's spins.
Not telling you "I told you so" yet, but getting much, much closer. As someone said, wonder if there will still be a party? If not, I hope no one loses money on reservations, etc. as well.
Mdec, just got back from some errands.
My positive spin is that UC and friends were trying to support the pps so shareholders could get out...after all, they're only thinking of you. LOL
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Posted by Upside on :
Hate to always be the negative voice or in this case, the voice of reason but, it's got nothing to do with naked shorts, mergers, missing dividends, etc. UCAD is under investigation for allegedly falsifying information regarding their finances, mining activities, and assets. Urban & Co. are under investigation for what appears to be stock manipulation and possibly fraud. I'm not saying its "game over" yet but there is nothing positive in this regardless of the countless theories that are coming out. Nothing to do now but sit back and wait.
Posted by ed19363 on :
If you read the rest of the posts by woody, you'll see that HE didnt make the call....ergo, another stupid rumor.
Somebody close the casket, this baby is dead.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Up, I thought that was my line:"Hate to always be the negative voice or in this case, the voice of reason"
LOL
Posted by JEAL on :
As sh**ty as it may be, I think you just might be right -
Time to move on to other adventures....will continue to watch and hold what I have left as I am sure, I will not be able to sell at 0.0002.Someone please advise if you have been able to sell at this pps
GLTA in your future investments, and hope no one has lost to much.
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
If you read the rest of the posts by woody, you'll see that HE didnt make the call....ergo, another stupid rumor.
Somebody close the casket, this baby is dead.
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Yo Ho Ho and a barrel of kimberlite! If you're not out now, better SELL, SELL, SELL!The truth is, I do feel badly for the so many of you that got sucked into buying because of all the avid pumpers. Sure would like to hear noahltl's and other's spins.
Not telling you "I told you so" yet, but getting much, much closer. As someone said, wonder if there will still be a party? If not, I hope no one loses money on reservations, etc. as well.
Mdec, just got back from some errands.
My positive spin is that UC and friends were trying to support the pps so shareholders could get out...after all, they're only thinking of you. LOL
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Speaking of the Las Vegas party, I think we should all attend...if for no other reason than to beat the living schidt outta' Urban and Melvin for telling us so many lies! Well, that wouldn't work either. If we beat the living schidt outta' them two, there would be nothing left 'cept buttons and zippers.
Steve
Posted by sharkus on :
quote:
Originally posted by Esteban:
Speaking of the Las Vegas party, I think we should all attend...if for no other reason than to beat the living schidt outta' Urban and Melvin for telling us so many lies! Well, that wouldn't work either. If we beat the living schidt outta' them two, there would be nothing left 'cept buttons and zippers.
Stevesorry but do you really think they will be there? Who knows at this point.....
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78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Steve,You wrote:
"If we beat the living schidt outta' them two, there would be nothing left 'cept buttons and zippers.
Steve"Didn't you mean chips and T-Shirts? LOL
I GOT MINE!!!!!
Posted by safeguard on :
By: lowriderbill
28 Oct 2004, 02:22 PM EDT
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Latest from Zen...Posted 10/28/04 @ 1:54pm
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4413138MY OPINION RE: HALT
This could be very good or very bad. I will list both possibilities all IN MY OPINION and everyone can judge where they fall.
Possibly good:
It is very possible that the UCAD dividends have tripped up a closer investigation into what is going on with the naked shorting. Perhaps the SEC is looking into UCAD's audited financials to make a final determination that everything is clean before either pursuing possible crooks or allowing the stock to continue trading with possible future buy-ins anticipated. Roger Glenn presumably is on top of this and I'm glad we have serious professional expertise to assist in this process. I found the following language VERY curious on the SEC release:
"Further, brokers and dealers should be alert to the fact that, pursuant to Rule 15c2-11 under the Exchange Act, at the termination of the trading suspension, no quotation may be entered unless and until they have strictly complied with all of the provisions of the rule. If any broker or dealer has any questions as to whether or not he has complied with the rule, he should not enter any quotation but immediately contact the staff of the Securities and Exchange Commission in Washington, D.C. If any broker or dealer is uncertain as to what is required by Rule 15c2-11, he should refrain from entering quotations relating to the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals until such time as he has familiarized himself with the rule and is certain that all of its provisions have been met. If any broker or dealer enters any quotation for the stock of U.S. Canadian Minerals that is in violation of the rule, the Commission will consider the need for prompt enforcement action."
Very strange to me. Almost seemed like a pretty severe warning to brokers and dealers. Also, from a source, apparently Ameritrade knew about this halt yesterday. Which is odd. If a broker were notified ahead of time, my best guess is because there are broker issues. I highly doubt a broker would be notified ahead of time because of fraud issues. But who knows. Just found it strange. Anyway, this could all very well have been a result of either a) the dividends, b) an impending merger/acquisition, c) an honest look into the financials simply based on the price move from $4 to (postsplit) $17. These are all POSSBILITIES none of which can be ruled out.
Possibly bad:
I sure hope USCA's financials are unimpeachable. Because it looks like the SEC is going to comb things thoroughly. I am very surprised at a halt in USCA and not CMKX. I don't know what to make of that. The bad scenario is that the SEC has some accounting issues and possible fraud issues with the way UCAD has handled itself. I guess the only thing to do is wait and see. Whereas the above quote from the SEC regarding the brokers/dealers is potentially good, the following quote concerns me:
"The Commission temporarily suspended trading in the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals because of questions that have been raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning, among other things, U.S. Canadian Minerals’ financing and mining activities and the value of U.S. Canadian Minerals’ purported assets."
As I said, I hope their financials are truly flawless, because if not, this could be quite bad. Let's hope so. Glenn is a former Deloitte man and intimately familiar with what is and isn't appropriate accounting. Let's hope that pays off for us.
Possibly ugly:A trading halt with the SEC looking into financials is NEVER a good thing, and I don't care WHAT spin anyone wants to put on it. The hard reality is this is just not a good thing even if it turns out to be nothing but a chance for the SEC to review and sign off on USCA financials. I hate that this has happened. And I'm quite confident USCA did NOT expect it.
My bottom line is that I was 90% confident in this investment before. Today, that has dropped to probably 40%. That's how serious I take something like this. Am I selling? No. But not because I don't want to. In all honestly I would clip 50% of my holdings on this if the price were near my entry point (.00044), but it is not. At .0001 I just assume hold and take my chances. Just being upfront about that. I'm pissed that my USCA shares that are free trading (the ones I bought last week) will lock up $900 of mine until November 10 (or longer if extended) and likely open a lot lower (always happens with halts). I am not investing in GEMM any further until there is some clarification as to what is happening with these inquiries and the halt. At least everyone knows I'm straight up on this. I'm not "panicking" but I'm sure as hell not happy about this whatsoever. I seriously doubt USCA or CMKX is either. And if the company at all was aware of this but knew it had to happen to force some issues regarding naked shorting, well then that just flat out sucks that we are getting screwed triply by being kept in the dark on ANYTHING.I will wait this out, but uncomfortably so.
Posted by safeguard on :
Posted by: 69charger
In reply to: None
Date:10/28/2004 2:02:13 PM
Post #of 20401UCAD filed early application of "mineral rights"
By: my69z
28 Oct 2004, 01:41 PM EDT
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UCAD filed early application of "mineral rights" & maybe this could be showing a massive increase in value.
By: my69z
25 Oct 2004, 10:18 PM EDT
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"Mineral rights" considered Tangible Assets according to The Emerging Issues Task Force (EITF).From UCAD's 10-QSB 6-30-04 under F-14...: The Emerging Issues Task Force (EITF) has reached a consensus that mineral rights are tangible assets (EITF Issue No. 04-2).
The guidance in the EITF to be applied to reporting periods beginning after April 29, 2004. The Company has elected early application of this guidance.
Issue No. 04-2, "Whether Mineral Rights Are Tangible or Intangible Assets." FASB Statement No. 141, Business Combinations, requires the acquirer in a business combination to allocate the cost of the acquisition to the acquired assets and liabilities. Paragraph 37 of Statement 141 lists assets and liabilities that an acquirer should consider in its allocation of purchase price, and natural resources are listed separately from intangible assets along with other assets. However, Appendix A of Statement 141 provides examples of intangible assets, and includes mineral rights as an example of an intangible asset that should be recognized apart from goodwill. An EITF Working Group was created to research this Issue and it observed that if the Task Force were to decide that all mineral rights are tangible assets, it would necessitate an amendment to Statement 141. In the mean time, the SEC Observer indicated that the SEC would continue to interpret the provisions of Statement 141 and FASB Statement No. 142, Goodwill and Other Intangible Assets, with respect to mineral rights as written—that is, as intangible assets—pending any recommendation by the Task Force to the Board that Statement 141 should be amended.
Status: At the March 17-18, 2004 EITF meeting, the Task Force reached a consensus. Board ratification of that consensus was subject to resolution of a perceived inconsistency between characterization of mineral rights as tangible assets in this consensus and the characterization of mineral rights as intangible assets in Statements 141 and 142. That inconsistency was resolved by an FASB Staff Position (FSP) that removed mineral rights for mining entities as examples of intangible assets in Statements 141 and 142.
Last discussed: March 17-18, 2004
http://www fasb org/eitf/eitfissu shtmlGlta
Chris
Posted by safeguard on :
By: bobbybdb01
28 Oct 2004, 12:22 PM EDT
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** A MUST READ***
By: grandepeter
28 Oct 2004, 12:15 PM EDT
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EVERYONE READ THIS NOW PLEASE REPOST THIS PLEASEJust got off the phone with Dottie @ UCAD I asked if she a comment regarding the trading halt or a rebuttal to the SEC statement. She said something happened in Canada and it snowballed down to them. She said Roger Glenn had just now got in (And she meant in the office where she is located) She said she thought it would all be cleared up in a few hours. I also asked her if it had anything to do with CMKM and she said did not know but Roger just got in and to call back in couple of hours!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Hate to always be the negative voice or in this case, the voice of reason but, it's got nothing to do with naked shorts, mergers, missing dividends, etc. UCAD is under investigation for allegedly falsifying information regarding their finances, mining activities, and assets. Urban & Co. are under investigation for what appears to be stock manipulation and possibly fraud. I'm not saying its "game over" yet but there is nothing positive in this regardless of the countless theories that are coming out. Nothing to do now but sit back and wait.
Wallace, why should I sell. I can't even buy. Have had an order for 2 million in for over two hours. It won't fill. If things were so bad, why are people hanging onto their shares like they were worth millions? I'll answer that. Because they are or soon will be. imo
Posted by JEAL on :
Here
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You will find a list of all stocks, securities etc..that have had suspended trading since 1995. If you open some of the other "Release numbers" you will notice that the same verbage is used in their statements as well.....
Posted by dwman on :
I'll bet the MMs are cursing us for not shaking. Wallace, they are probably cursing the bashers more because they can't get us to sell.
Posted by killpack on :
I hear there will be a dragster for sale on Ebay soon. Covered in diamond paint, the CMKX car is expected to fetch 1.2 billion dollars. Company executives, when questioned by astute investors as to the true value of diamond paint, replied that although there really is no diamonds in diamond paint, there was in reality, intrinsic value built into the car because it was painted by a someone with a very big diamond ring near a drilling rig. Overflights useing a very expensive helicopter confirmed this as fact. Top CEO's have therefore put out a 'BUY' recommendation on anything related to the letter "D'.
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by sharkus:
sorry but do you really think they will be there? Who knows at this point.....
Certainly they will be at the party, both have said they will attend. We can believe everything they tell us, right? NOT!!!!
Steve
Posted by JEAL on :
Trading Halt Codes
http://nasdaqtrader.com/trader/tradingservices/marketwatch/TrdHaltCodes.stm
Posted by bill1352 on :
ya think maybe they begged the SEC to halt trading?? it was the only excuse they could come up with for not being at the party that shareholders would buy. at least vegas got a bunch of rooms filled. this is one party i'd like to sit back & watch...lol
Posted by JEAL on :
Couple of hours have passed - any update I wonder?
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
By: bobbybdb01
28 Oct 2004, 12:22 PM EDT
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By: grandepeter
28 Oct 2004, 12:15 PM EDT
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EVERYONE READ THIS NOW PLEASE REPOST THIS PLEASEJust got off the phone with Dottie @ UCAD I asked if she a comment regarding the trading halt or a rebuttal to the SEC statement. She said something happened in Canada and it snowballed down to them. She said Roger Glenn had just now got in (And she meant in the office where she is located) She said she thought it would all be cleared up in a few hours. I also asked her if it had anything to do with CMKM and she said did not know but Roger just got in and to call back in couple of hours!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by bill1352 on :
http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/34ActRls/rule15c2-11.htmlthis explains the rule by which ucad can be traded after being released. nothing that might suggest naked shorting nor would it ucad wasn't naked shorted according to the faithful cmkx was and i'm not sure but how do you halt cmkx they are a pink sheet & thus don't tell anyone anything including us shareholders. as for ucad, it mentioned canada but i dont remember ucad putting any number on anything in canada it also mentioned london. the same place as where they just got funding through that new company (share exchange) it might be they gave them a valuation on canada and london did their dd on sterlings web site..lol found out nothing has been found to put a value on
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
dwman wrote:I'll bet the MMs are cursing us for not shaking. Wallace, they are probably cursing the bashers more because they can't get us to sell.
*********************That's OK, dwman. Remember....after .0001 (if you even see that) there's BK.
By the way, are you getting me confused with Upside? I MUST be better looking!! LOL
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bill1352:
quote:
this is one party i'd like to sit back & watch...lolMe too, now more than ever! Thinking about booking a red eye tonight or tomorrow night.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Bill,Maybe that WAS really a wheelbarrow full of dirt they sent to the crusher!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
By the way, are you getting me confused with Upside? I MUST be better looking!! LOLI don't know about that. Did you happen to see the link I posted to a picture of Will & me at the races? It's a few pages back on this thread. I'm quite the looker if you ask me!
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Unless you are stupid or are on koolaid or already made lotsa money on CMKX, you dont plan on going to Vegas. If some one belongs one of these kinds, they believe whatever BS they hear at the party. Seems like one big scam to me..but I am not selling my 10M for 0001. What's up with these Ecuador PRs lately?
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
ya think maybe they begged the SEC to halt trading?? it was the only excuse they could come up with for not being at the party that shareholders would buy. at least vegas got a bunch of rooms filled. this is one party i'd like to sit back & watch...lol
Posted by bill1352 on :
Wallace#1
Member posted October 28, 2004 15:46
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Bill,
Maybe that WAS really a wheelbarrow full of dirt they sent to the crusher!============================================
ya never know maybe all this stuff in south america isnt real but because london & canada are in this i'm guessing it has to do with that stock swap. if south america wasn't real at least to some extent i'd be suprised. gemm was around long before ucad or cmkx its not something they started up. for what its worth cmkx hasn't been drug into this yet. that other thing is from 1998 a bit old. and before you guys start i know 100,000 shares of cmkx is worth what? a cup of 7-11 coffee?? 300,000 for starbucks
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Upside,Yeah, I saw it. Nice legs...don't know about the "Backside" though! Also a little knock kneed! LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
TruthTeller
Member posted October 28, 2004 15:54
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Unless you are stupid or are on koolaid or already made lotsa money on CMKX, you dont plan on going to Vegas. If some one belongs one of these kinds, they believe whatever BS they hear at the party. Seems like one big scam to me..but I am not selling my 10M for 0001. What's up with these Ecuador PRs lately?========================================
maybe i'm reading this wrong but i've never said i'm going to vegas but yes after today it would be interesting to SIT back & WATCH as the cmkx "faithful" will be there spinning this worse then Kerry after another flip-flop
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Posted by TruthTeller on :
I am sorry Bill.My comments were not about you. I was speaking in general..
'You' is not really you
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
TruthTeller
Member posted October 28, 2004 15:54
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Bill,You'd better be carefull about bringing up politics. Just might get Glassman back here again! LOL
Sure do wish we'd hear from the "old" pumpers. I just turned the oven on for crow and I see a nasty old one outside.
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Posted by TruthTeller on :
These are the thread names from the 'real' board. These people still are not a bit worried. I like #3
1 Sterling just spoke to Urban!
2 CAN THE SEC BE TRUSTED To Act In Public Interest?
3 Roger's Bear trap has closed
4 Scare Tactics
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, I got it!!! This is that October Surprise sarki was talking about and that Will gave 'til the end of Oct. LOL
Posted by safeguard on :
Carol S. Remond = HERO =DJ IN THE MONEY:Canadian Regulators Halt CMKM From Stk Sales
By Carol S. Remond
A Dow Jones Newswires ColumnNEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Canadian securities regulators in the province
of Saskatchewan have issued an order temporarily enjoining insiders of
CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) from selling the company stock to residents.According to the order issued by the Saskatchewan Financial
Services Commission, Urban Casavant, David Desormeau and Melvin O'Neil
traded shares of CMKM Diamonds and its predecessor Casavant Mining
Kimberlite International, "when they were not registered pursuant to
section 27 of the Act."
The order also states that Casavant, Desormeau and O'Neil have,
"with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of (Casavant
Mining and CMKM) made statements which they know or ought reasonably
to know are misrepresentations."
The order expires Nov. 9. It's unclear how CMKM Diamonds and the
persons named will respond to the order.
CMKM president and large shareholder Casavant wasn't immediately
available for comment. O'Neil, CMKM Diamonds' spokesperson was also
unavailable. Desormeau is named as secretary and treasurer of Casavant
International Mining Corp. in the state of Nevada's corporate
database. Desormeau wasnt' immediately available for comment either.
Meanwhile, Roger Glenn, a lawyer representing CMKM Diamonds, didn't
return a telephone call seeking comment.
CMKM Diamonds has been the subject of three "In The Money" columns
which highlighted its huge daily trading volume and the lack of
information surrounding the company and its mineral claims. According
to the corporation department of the state of Nevada, there are
currently 800 billion shares of CMKM authorized.
Billions of CMKM shares trade daily but because it trades on the
unregulated Pink Sheets, the company doesn't have to provide any
financial information to its shareholders.
Although CMKM has declined to say just how many shares are
outstanding, a recent dividend payment related to U.S. Canadian
Minerals Inc. (USCA)'s acquisition of 5% of CMKM Diamonds' mineral
claims indicated that some 780 billion shares had been issued. CMKM
Diamonds shares were recently changing hands at about $0.0001, down
50% on the day.
Separately, the Securities and Exchange Commission suspended trading
in the shares of U.S. Canadian Minerals earlier Thursday. The SEC said
it took action because of questions regarding the accuracy of publicly
disseminated information regarding U.S. Canadian Minerals' financing
and mining activities and the value of its assets. The SEC said it has
been assisted in its inquiry into U.S. Canadian Minerals' public
statements by the NASD, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission
and the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority.
U.S. Canadian Minerals and CMKM Diamonds are holding a combined
party for their shareholders in Las Vegas this weekend.(Carol S. Remond is an award-winning columnist and one of four who
write the "In The Money" feature. Most recently, she shared a 2003
Best of Business Award from the Society of Business Editors and
Writers for her role in Dow Jones' team coverage of the Canary Capital
mutual fund trading scandal.)-By Carol S. Remond; Dow Jones Newswires; 201 938 2074;
carol.remond@dowjones.com(END) Dow Jones Newswires
10-28-04 1518ET
- - 03 18 PM EDT 10-28-04
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Canadian securities regulators in the province
of Saskatchewan have issued an order temporarily enjoining insiders of
CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) from selling the company stock to residents.Does this just apply to the residents the Saskatchewan province?
Posted by sarki316 on :
What I am hearing is that CMKX and the SEC are finally getting the MM where they want them. I wouldn't get too nervious if CMKX or USCA(UCAD) get halted.Roger Glenn who worked for the SEC knows exactly what he is doing. The basher will scare all of you guys but don't let them get too you.
CMKX PLAM IS UNFOLDING AS WE SPEAK!!!!!!!!
THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN LOSE ON CMKX!!!!!! NO WAY. TRUST ME. @0.0001 THAT IS THE LOWEST A STOCK CAN BE AT. LOL!!!!!!
WALLACE I AM GETTING MY CIGAR READY!!!!!
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Posted by sarki316 on :
What I am hearing is that CMKX and the SEC are finally getting the MM where they want them. I wouldn't get too nervious if CMKX or USCA(UCAD) get halted.Roger Glenn who worked for the SEC knows exactly what he is doing. The basher will scare all of you guys but don't let them get too you.
CMKX PLAN IS UNFOLDING AS WE SPEAK!!!!!!!!
THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN LOSE ON CMKX!!!!!! NO WAY. TRUST ME. @0.0001 THAT IS THE LOWEST A STOCK CAN BE AT. LOL!!!!!!
WALLACE I AM GETTING MY CIGAR READY!!!!!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by sarki316:
quote:
CMKX PLAM IS UNFOLDING AS WE SPEAK!!!!!!!!THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN LOSE ON CMKX!!!!!! NO WAY. TRUST ME. @0.0001 THAT IS THE LOWEST A STOCK CAN BE AT. LOL!!!!!!
The "plam" is unfolding alright, more like unraveling. .0001 is the lowest eh? What about a reverse split, what about liquidation? Oh yeah, welcome back sarki! We've missed you!
Posted by sarki316 on :
UPSIDE THEN SELL YOUR SHARES!!!!! IF YOUR WORRIED!!!!!I MEANT PLAN NOT PLAM.
Posted by Upside on :
Why would I sell? If I did that I'd probably lose interest in it and miss out on all this drama.
Posted by will on :
I have been busy all day, sorry I missed the action. Now, we will get some forthright answers from, or about this pack of clowns.
I'll be back late tonight.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Why would I sell? If I did that I'd probably lose interest in it and miss out on all this drama.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i missed some of the fun here, that is if you call watching your money get flushed fun...lol had to listen to the qbid cc. at least they will tell ya how many shares, why not reporting.==============================
no problem truth i thought i might be misreading it, that why i said that.
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so now cmkx halted in canada too?? cool i wonder if our gemm shares dividends will be delayed...lol. i do feel for a few that left here that had put so much money into cmkx.
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wallace, i'd love to hear a few of the spins coming out also. as for getting political...lol my sister wont talk to me because i showed her the truth...lol she has lived in L.A. for the last 25 yrs. she'll get over it...lol
Posted by joeyisthebest on :
Folks don't this seem kind of weird Bad news for CMKX the day before the party!
I think something big is happening might be good might be bad I am holding just because of one person ROGER GLENN if he is a lier I am intending on sueing his firm and CMKX and USCA and all other participants. It would be stupid for all these companies to have invested with CMKX if they knew it was going to be a scam. JMO
Posted by Upside on :
Hey Joe, good to see you back! Stick around. How many shirts have you got left?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Did anyone get their 3 to 1 forward split shares before this happened?
I use Ameritrade and I didn't get mine yet.
Could this be what this is really all about?
Just seems like a ploy to me with the timming of this.
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by joeyisthebest:
Folks don't this seem kind of weird Bad news for CMKX the day before the party!
I think something big is happening might be good might be bad I am holding just because of one person ROGER GLENN if he is a lier I am intending on sueing his firm and CMKX and USCA and all other participants. It would be stupid for all these companies to have invested with CMKX if they knew it was going to be a scam. JMOJoey, Joey, Joey, its against all forms of decency for a non-attorney to sue a genuine attorney. It seems to me the only recourse is a thorough azz whuppin for all the directors and their attorney. We may have to repossess that silly looking hot rod too.
Steve
Posted by Binky on :
quote:
Originally posted by joeyisthebest:
It would be stupid for all these companies to have invested with CMKX if they knew it was going to be a scam. JMOSeems like CMKM may be the deep pockets behind ALL these companies, BUT I may be wrong. CMKM investors may have put in all the money to get these other companies up and running in my opinion.
Quess we will soon find out.
JMHO
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Posted by TruthTeller on :
Joey..
I don't think there something big (possitive) happening, but I hope I am wrong. Just wishful thinking.
quote:
Originally posted by joeyisthebest:
Folks don't this seem kind of weird Bad news for CMKX the day before the party!
I think something big is happening might be good might be bad I am holding just because of one person ROGER GLENN if he is a lier I am intending on sueing his firm and CMKX and USCA and all other participants. It would be stupid for all these companies to have invested with CMKX if they knew it was going to be a scam. JMO
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
here is your October surpriseCMKX stopped trading in the province of Saskatchewan. What is going on?
Carol S. Remond :Canadian Regulators Halt CMKM From Stk Sales
By Carol S. Remond
A Dow Jones Newswires ColumnNEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Canadian securities regulators in the province
of Saskatchewan have issued an order temporarily enjoining insiders of
CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) from selling the company stock to residents.According to the order issued by the Saskatchewan Financial
Services Commission, Urban Casavant, David Desormeau and Melvin O'Neil
traded shares of CMKM Diamonds and its predecessor Casavant Mining
Kimberlite International, "when they were not registered pursuant to
section 27 of the Act."
The order also states that Casavant, Desormeau and O'Neil have,
"with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of (Casavant
Mining and CMKM) made statements which they know or ought reasonably
to know are misrepresentations."
The order expires Nov. 9. It's unclear how CMKM Diamonds and the
persons named will respond to the order.
CMKM president and large shareholder Casavant wasn't immediately
available for comment. O'Neil, CMKM Diamonds' spokesperson was also
unavailable. Desormeau is named as secretary and treasurer of Casavant
International Mining Corp. in the state of Nevada's corporate
database. Desormeau wasnt' immediately available for comment either.
Meanwhile, Roger Glenn, a lawyer representing CMKM Diamonds, didn't
return a telephone call seeking comment.
CMKM Diamonds has been the subject of three "In The Money" columns
which highlighted its huge daily trading volume and the lack of
information surrounding the company and its mineral claims. According
to the corporation department of the state of Nevada, there are
currently 800 billion shares of CMKM authorized.
Billions of CMKM shares trade daily but because it trades on the
unregulated Pink Sheets, the company doesn't have to provide any
financial information to its shareholders.
Although CMKM has declined to say just how many shares are
outstanding, a recent dividend payment related to U.S. Canadian
Minerals Inc. (USCA)'s acquisition of 5% of CMKM Diamonds' mineral
claims indicated that some 780 billion shares had been issued. CMKM
Diamonds shares were recently changing hands at about $0.0001, down
50% on the day.
Separately, the Securities and Exchange Commission suspended trading
in the shares of U.S. Canadian Minerals earlier Thursday. The SEC said
it took action because of questions regarding the accuracy of publicly
disseminated information regarding U.S. Canadian Minerals' financing
and mining activities and the value of its assets. The SEC said it has
been assisted in its inquiry into U.S. Canadian Minerals' public
statements by the NASD, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission
and the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority.
U.S. Canadian Minerals and CMKM Diamonds are holding a combined
party for their shareholders in Las Vegas this weekend.(Carol S. Remond is an award-winning columnist and one of four who
write the "In The Money" feature. Most recently, she shared a 2003
Best of Business Award from the Society of Business Editors and
Writers for her role in Dow Jones' team coverage of the Canary Capital
mutual fund trading scandal.)-By Carol S. Remond; Dow Jones Newswires; 201 938 2074;
carol.remond@dowjones.com
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/34-50599.htm
U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C.
SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
RELEASE NO. 50599 / October 28, 2004
The Securities and Exchange Commission announced the temporary suspension, pursuant to Section 12(k) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 ("Exchange Act"), of over-the-counter trading of the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board symbol “USCA”), of Las Vegas, Nevada. The suspension will commence at 9:30 a.m. EDT, October 28, 2004, through 11:59 p.m. EST, on November 10, 2004.The Commission temporarily suspended trading in the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals because of questions that have been raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning, among other things, U.S. Canadian Minerals’ financing and mining activities and the value of U.S. Canadian Minerals’ purported assets.
The Commission cautions broker-dealers, shareholders, and prospective purchasers that they should carefully consider the foregoing information along with all other currently available information and any information subsequently issued by U.S. Canadian Minerals.
Further, brokers and dealers should be alert to the fact that, pursuant to Rule 15c2-11 under the Exchange Act, at the termination of the trading suspension, no quotation may be entered unless and until they have strictly complied with all of the provisions of the rule. If any broker or dealer has any questions as to whether or not he has complied with the rule, he should not enter any quotation but immediately contact the staff of the Securities and Exchange Commission in Washington, D.C. If any broker or dealer is uncertain as to what is required by Rule 15c2-11, he should refrain from entering quotations relating to the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals until such time as he has familiarized himself with the rule and is certain that all of its provisions have been met. If any broker or dealer enters any quotation for the stock of U.S. Canadian Minerals that is in violation of the rule, the Commission will consider the need for prompt enforcement action.
The Commission acknowledges the assistance of the National Association of Securities Dealers, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission, and the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority in this matter.
If any broker-dealer or other person has any information that may relate to this matter, call Michele Wein Layne of the Pacific Regional Office of the Securities and Exchange Commission at (323) 965-3850.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/34-50599.htm--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted by Penny-Trader on :
CMKM's Casavant, DeSormeau and O'Neil suspended2004-10-28 15:01 ET - Cease Trade Individual
The Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission has delegated to the director of the securities division the power to make orders pursuant to Section 134 of the Securities Act, 1988.It has been represented to the director by the staff of the commission that:
Urban Armand Joseph Casavant, David DeSormeau, Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (CMKI), CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKM) and Melvin A. O'Neil (collectively the respondents) have traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM in Saskatchewan;
the respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when they were not registered pursuant to Section 27 of the act;
the respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when no receipt had been issued pursuant to Section 58 of the act with respect to those securities;
the commission or director have not issued an order pursuant to Sections 83, 160 or any other provision of the act exempting the respondents and the securities of CMKI and CMKM from the registration and prospectus requirements of the act;
the respondents have, with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of CMKI and CMKM, made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are misrepresentations, contrary to Subsection 44(3.1) of the act.The director is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this order.
The director is of the opinion that the length of time required for a hearing would be prejudicial to the public interest.
The director hereby orders:
pursuant to Clause 134(1)(d) of the act that trading in all securities by and of the respondents cease forthwith up to and including Nov. 9, 2004; and
pursuant to Clause 134(1)(a) of the act, that the exemptions contained in Sections 38, 39, 39.1, 81, 82 and 102 of the act and the exemptions contained in the Securities Regulations, R.R.S., c. S-42.2 Reg 1, which provide for exemptions from the requirements of Sections 27, 58, 71 or 104 to 109 of the act, shall not apply forthwith up to and including Nov. 9, 2004, with respect to any trade in securities by the respondents.This order may be extended for such period as the director considers necessary where sufficient information is not provided to the director on or before Nov. 9, 2004.
The commission will, at the request of any person or company named in this order, grant a hearing before the commission with respect to the within matter, such hearing to be held at such time and place as the commission shall determine.
The purpose of such hearing will be to consider whether it is in the public interest that a permanent cease trade order pursuant to Clause 134(1)(d) of the act and a permanent prohibition of statutory exemptions pursuant to Clause 134(1)(a) of the act be made with respect to the respondents by reason of the conduct herein before described and by reason of failing to provide the commission with satisfactory information on or before the date of the hearing or any extension thereof by the commission.
Any party to these proceedings may be represented by counsel of their choice at any such hearing before the commission.
Upon failure of any party to attend any such hearing at the time and place set therefore, the hearing may proceed in the absence of such party and such party is not entitled to any further notice of the proceedings therein.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
CMKM's Casavant, DeSormeau and O'Neil suspended2004-10-28 15:01 ET - Cease Trade Individual
The Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission has delegated to the director of the securities division the power to make orders pursuant to Section 134 of the Securities Act, 1988.It has been represented to the director by the staff of the commission that:
Urban Armand Joseph Casavant, David DeSormeau, Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (CMKI), CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKM) and Melvin A. O'Neil (collectively the respondents) have traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM in Saskatchewan;
the respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when they were not registered pursuant to Section 27 of the act;
the respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when no receipt had been issued pursuant to Section 58 of the act with respect to those securities;
the commission or director have not issued an order pursuant to Sections 83, 160 or any other provision of the act exempting the respondents and the securities of CMKI and CMKM from the registration and prospectus requirements of the act;
the respondents have, with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of CMKI and CMKM, made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are misrepresentations, contrary to Subsection 44(3.1) of the act.The director is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this order.
The director is of the opinion that the length of time required for a hearing would be prejudicial to the public interest.
The director hereby orders:
pursuant to Clause 134(1)(d) of the act that trading in all securities by and of the respondents cease forthwith up to and including Nov. 9, 2004; and
pursuant to Clause 134(1)(a) of the act, that the exemptions contained in Sections 38, 39, 39.1, 81, 82 and 102 of the act and the exemptions contained in the Securities Regulations, R.R.S., c. S-42.2 Reg 1, which provide for exemptions from the requirements of Sections 27, 58, 71 or 104 to 109 of the act, shall not apply forthwith up to and including Nov. 9, 2004, with respect to any trade in securities by the respondents.This order may be extended for such period as the director considers necessary where sufficient information is not provided to the director on or before Nov. 9, 2004.
The commission will, at the request of any person or company named in this order, grant a hearing before the commission with respect to the within matter, such hearing to be held at such time and place as the commission shall determine.
The purpose of such hearing will be to consider whether it is in the public interest that a permanent cease trade order pursuant to Clause 134(1)(d) of the act and a permanent prohibition of statutory exemptions pursuant to Clause 134(1)(a) of the act be made with respect to the respondents by reason of the conduct herein before described and by reason of failing to provide the commission with satisfactory information on or before the date of the hearing or any extension thereof by the commission.
Any party to these proceedings may be represented by counsel of their choice at any such hearing before the commission.
Upon failure of any party to attend any such hearing at the time and place set therefore, the hearing may proceed in the absence of such party and such party is not entitled to any further notice of the proceedings therein.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
http://www.sec.gov/news/digest/dig102804.txt
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s71904/esmorris2019.htm
Posted by RaiderJR on :
It seems like someone is using a technicality in Canadian law to stop us.The Canadian order is only for Canadian citizens.
The US investigation could involve many things. One bantied about is that the valuation of UCAD now excessively exceeds fair value based on numbers given to the SEC.
When this happens a stock is investigated. If the run up was caused by a NSS position then many will soon see the pen.Like your local MM.
Other theories are the NSS did not cough up the split shares and it is being investigated.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I think USCA was about to make another run pretty quick.Then another divvy.IMHO
Seems it could be like scoring a basket on Shaq O'niel now.
Looks like somebody wasn't wanting to play a fair game.
Surely there was pockets deep enough to cover these share divvys.But how about a split and a run?A possible other split and run and so on?You might try to find a way around that if you could.Would you not?
Posted by lbulbu on :
:Got this off other board thought was interesting read.
[ I had not had anything to write about in a long time since this board pretty well takes care of it self.
Great job Mods btw.
I love reading the threads on this board many are well thought out.
George need I say more.
Nice to read Dr.D's theory on value of claims well thought out.
Nice to see all the old names from the old board here I wont mention any to scared I may leave too many out.
I really enjoy all your input and thoughts.
But I guess it's my turn for now.
First lets put out of our minds that this is a bad thing.
This time its a good thing.
I know that halts are generally bad but not in this case.
You dont have to look any further then nano signal and their CEO and his PR's and sueing Nite to know what's happening at this time.
The only way to get an accurate picture of the shorts is to completely halt trading on your stock and start counting.
This is being done as we speak here.
The MM's have turned on each other.
The truth will come out on this and CMKX.
Also a person cannot sell stock to another one.
You need a broker to sell your stock to 3rd person enough said about that.
You all have done your DD on this one why worry.
There's an old saying in my book.
Why worry about things you cant control you are not in control.
Why worry about things that you control you are in control of them.
Also,if USAC was that bad right now you wouldve seen CMKX drop like a rock to no bid.
But you didnt. Still a steady stream of buying on CMKX why ask yourself?
The MM's are no dummies but lets get this one thing straight now and forever.
They will cut each others throat when the time is right.
You may chuckle at this but at the same time your fellow board member would cut yours.
Why?Money!!
If I was to start telling you all when to sell you would double think your position.
Why is he telling us to sell at such and such price.
Theres also the subtle hints on this board already way too many if you ask me.
Threads like I should have sold at ..0010 or .0011 etc
I've also read threads that state that if and when it goes there again they will sell.
I was going to write earlier this week before all this came about.
The MM's have all of us for the moment.
Our frustation with no pps movement will cause lots of people to sell when this moves.
TOM PETTY "The waiting is the hardest part"
Lets get something straight here there is a huge nns position in our stock.
There has been threats made to certain people if they dont tow the line.
So,how do you get this message out there without any harm coming to anyone.
Prove it through another stock.
The DD you all have done doesnt change anything the fundmentals are there.
But to realize them is another thing.
Just relax for awhile spend the night out with your family and enjoy life.
Let Roger work this out and he will.
I believe 100% in this company and UC.
If I felt even an ounce of wrong doing I would tell you all.
I believe that UC and Roger together will starighten out this whole mess.
Also,the wolves are among us I know them well.
Writing is like one's own fingerprints it cannot be disguised.
To end this for now once again A GREAT JOB MODS all of you and a great job for all those who post here.
If you are lurking in the shadows reading please enjoy up and add your 2 cents to this board.
RM
these are my views and should be viewed as such
_________________
Do you believe, or do you just say you believe? http://www.xenobuzz.com/
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
These are the key statements in those official releases:
RE: UCAD"questions that have been raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning, among other things, U.S. Canadian Minerals’ financing and mining activities and the value of U.S. Canadian Minerals’ purported assets"
RE: CASAVANT, DeSORMEAU & O'NEIL
2. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when they were not
registered pursuant to section 27 of the Act;3. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when no receipt had been
issued pursuant to section 58 of the Act with respect to those securities;4. The Commission or Director has not issued an order pursuant to sections 83, 160 or any
other provision of the Act exempting the Respondents and the securities of CMKI and
CMKM from the registration and prospectus requirements of the Act;5. The Respondents have, with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of CMKI
and CMKM, made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are
misrepresentations, contrary to subsection 44(3.1) of the Act;MY NOTE: In short, the contention is that they lied. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
Except that it may be their "butts".THE DIRECTOR HEREBY ORDERS:
1. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act that trading in all securities by and of
The Respondents cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004MY NOTE: This unequivocally states that UC, DeSormeau and Melvin cannot trade ANY SECURITIES AT ALL!! That means nowhere and no way. It would include CMKX as well as other securities they hold or control.
DATED at Regina, Saskatchewan on October 26, 2004.
MY NOTE: This information is current.
There is NO WAY this has anything to do with positive events or actions!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Re ilbulbu's repost above, which states:"Also a person cannot sell stock to another one.
You need a broker to sell your stock to 3rd person enough said about that."
***************************************That is absolutely FALSE!!! Anyone can sell their stock to another without going through a broker. All it requires is turning the certificate (assuming one has the physical certificate) over and signing it on the reverse side. THAT IS FACT!!!
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 28, 2004).]
Posted by Doctoall on :
"Trick or Treat", I guess this is the October surprize. Have no choice but to wait it out------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"[This message has been edited by Doctoall (edited October 28, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Trick or Treat", I guess this is the October suprise. Have no choice but to wait it out
********************There's one of those I won't mind telling "I told you so!!!".
Posted by Doctoall on :
Well thanks Wallace just after I was beginning to think that you were not a bad guy, just goes to show that you just never know.------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by tigertony on :
Did someone actually say this is still part of the plan,the master plan.That was a train that just hit you,Hello.Good Luck spin,spin,spin Keep Given them the facts Wallace
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
this will no doubt get spun around and say that this was Roger Glenns plans all along and it was supposed to happen to expose the great NSSpump away boys pump away.
quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Did someone actually say this is still part of the plan,the master plan.That was a train that just hit you,Hello.Good Luck spin,spin,spin Keep Given them the facts Wallace[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 28, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Here's some basic info you might be interested in re the SEC's Rule 15c2-11:"Rule 15c2-11 should not apply to debt securities because the fraud and manipu-lation that it was intended to prevent in the microcap equity and penny stock markets is simply not evident in the debt markets," she added. The Association's letter, signed by Starkweather, was written in response to the SEC's request for comments regarding whether Rule 15c2-11 should continue to apply to debt securities. That question was put to market participants in conjunction with the SEC's February proposal to heighten dealers' obligation with respect to the rule.
Currently, Rule 15c2-11 requires broker-dealers to obtain certain data about an is-suer before publishing price quotes related to the issuer's securities on any quotation me-dium besides a national securities exchange or NASDAQ. The rule is intended to discourage fraud and manipulation among equities issuers by establishing broker-dealers as a checkpoint to catch issuer misinformation. Under the SEC's proposed amendments to the rule, broker-dealers would not only be required to obtain such data, but to review and deliver it to anyone who requests it.
The SEC said the proposed amendments were prompted by "increasing incidents of fraud and manipulation in the over-the-counter securities market involving thinly-traded securities of thinly-capitalized issuers (i.e., microcap securities)."
*****************The above is in reference to the SEC's actions toward UCAD. Since the Canadian authorities are suggesting misrepresentations on the part of the 3 stooges, might CMKX be next?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Well thanks Wallace"You are welcome, since you certainly made every effort to earn it. JBCak was another one. There are others.
Posted by skippy on :
What is significant about Nov.10th?"U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C.
SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
RELEASE NO. 50599 / October 28, 2004
The Securities and Exchange Commission announced the temporary suspension, pursuant to Section 12(k) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 ("Exchange Act"), of over-the-counter trading of the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board symbol “USCA”), of Las Vegas, Nevada. The suspension will commence at 9:30 a.m. EDT, October 28, 2004, through 11:59 p.m. EST, on NOVEMBER 10, 2004. "and in Wallace's post about the Directors
"THE DIRECTOR HEREBY ORDERS:
1. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act that trading in all securities by and of
The Respondents cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004"Why would they be restricted from trading now until/including November 9th? Is it o.k. for them to trade after November 9th?
Any ideas as to why the trading period has a definite ending date? If the company is under investigation why would they list an ending date? Or is it just common to have a suspension period of "x" days? Any thoughts?
Posted by Doctoall on :
Wallace, your kindness will no doubt be returned its just a shame that I will not be around to see it come back around. In any case its not over until the fat lady sings (no offense). So unless you are the fat lady singing, its not over------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
skippy,I am not sure, but maybe those dates are the final dates upon which responses must be made for a hearing. If no response, might be a CEASE AND DESIST ORDER or worse. Just do not know.
Posted by tigertony on :
Sarki as captain of a ship. Captain we have a leak, its ok.Captain the hull is taking on alot of water.Thats ok we drilled some holes on the other side to let it out.Captain were sinking it's ok you have to sink before you can swim.Captain she's going Blub,blub,gasp UNDER,Blub,gasp its ok shes gasp,blub,blub goo blub d as blub ne blub w.quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
What I am hearing is that CMKX and the SEC are finally getting the MM where they want them. I wouldn't get too nervious if CMKX or USCA(UCAD) get halted.Roger Glenn who worked for the SEC knows exactly what he is doing. The basher will scare all of you guys but don't let them get too you.
CMKX PLAN IS UNFOLDING AS WE SPEAK!!!!!!!!
THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN LOSE ON CMKX!!!!!! NO WAY. TRUST ME. @0.0001 THAT IS THE LOWEST A STOCK CAN BE AT. LOL!!!!!!
WALLACE I AM GETTING MY CIGAR READY!!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tigertony,LMAO!! Just a few rats, huh?
I also like noahlt's:
RATTLE, RATTLE, RATTLE
Posted by skippy on :
Did the SEC issue a statement months ago when they halted UCAD trading or was that just the canadian market? If so, where can I get a look at the last statement regarding the UCAD halt.Thanks
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Nope.I still say it was all about the
3 to 1 forward split divvy pay out day.
I should of had mine today but didn't.
So what's really going on here?
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
These are the key statements in those official releases:
RE: UCAD"questions that have been raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning, among other things, U.S. Canadian Minerals’ financing and mining activities and the value of U.S. Canadian Minerals’ purported assets"
RE: CASAVANT, DeSORMEAU & O'NEIL
2. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when they were not
registered pursuant to section 27 of the Act;3. The Respondents traded in the securities of CMKI and CMKM when no receipt had been
issued pursuant to section 58 of the Act with respect to those securities;4. The Commission or Director has not issued an order pursuant to sections 83, 160 or any
other provision of the Act exempting the Respondents and the securities of CMKI and
CMKM from the registration and prospectus requirements of the Act;5. The Respondents have, with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of CMKI
and CMKM, made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are
misrepresentations, contrary to subsection 44(3.1) of the Act;MY NOTE: In short, the contention is that they lied. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
Except that it may be their "butts".THE DIRECTOR HEREBY ORDERS:
1. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act that trading in all securities by and of
The Respondents cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004MY NOTE: This unequivocally states that UC, DeSormeau and Melvin cannot trade ANY SECURITIES AT ALL!! That means nowhere and no way. It would include CMKX as well as other securities they hold or control.
DATED at Regina, Saskatchewan on October 26, 2004.
MY NOTE: This information is current.
There is NO WAY this has anything to do with positive events or actions!
Posted by tigertony on :
Wallace, the scary part is i think he actually believes what he wrote.I feel bad for people if this keeps going this way.All i ever try to do is call it the way i see it.
Sarki just hits a nerve with his crazy predictions.Don't want him sucking others in.
I see the grim reaper at the door (IMHO) I hope i am wrong. Good Luck to all stuck in this mess.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
skippy,Not sure what release you are talking about. If it's about the one under discussion above, that is current.
Posted by skippy on :
I'm not referring to the release today. The one I want is from months ago when UCAD was halted until they released information about the sample results. The information they put out was completly different that the pr from CMKX at the time. I want to see that press release again.I just can't remember if it was the SEC or the Canadian Gov. that put a halt to trading and issued a statement. I want to see the body of that release.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
***Repost***K2ooo***Oh,you like rules now Wally, here's one.
C. Rule 15c2-11 is a proper response to the increased problem of fraud.
Rule 15c2-11 addresses the role that market-makers play in microcap fraud. Market makers may be knowing participants in the fraud or merely unknowing facilitators. Regardless, Rule 15c2-11 is indifferent to the mental state of the broker. Rather, it imposes affirmative steps which must be taken by brokers. Although brokers may complain about their increased exposure to liability, the effect of Rule 15c2-11 is to place the responsibility on the one person who is in the best position the prevent the fraud. If brokers do their homework before listing a security, they should have nothing to worry about.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s7599/morriss1.htm
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tigertony,sarki is just way out in left field. I doubt if he could suck anyone in (????). Others, however have certainly done so and that, I agree, is very sad.
highwaychild,
Read those releases carefully.
The one for USCA (formerly UCAD) says nothing about the split but specifically states the other reasons.
The same is true for UC and cohorts. Did you miss the parts about selling unregistered shares and about misrepresentation? What does that have to do with a split of USCA?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
highwaychild,What you posted just confirms what I previously posted as follows:
Currently, Rule 15c2-11 requires broker-dealers to obtain certain data about an is-suer before publishing price quotes related to the issuer's securities on any quotation me-dium besides a national securities exchange or NASDAQ. The rule is intended to discourage fraud and manipulation among equities issuers by establishing broker-dealers as a checkpoint to catch issuer misinformation. Under the SEC's proposed amendments to the rule, broker-dealers would not only be required to obtain such data, but to review and deliver it to anyone who requests it.
********************
Basically, it is saying that brokers must now act as a "checkpoint" against fraud, manipulation and misrepresentation by "equities issuers" (such as USCA, CMKX and other companies. Brokers in this sense do not "issue" equities (securities, stocks, debentures, etc.), they only trade them.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I try to read between the lines.
Today was the day my divvy was to be in my account.
Too big of a coincidence to me we get this insted.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
skippy,I do remember that release about a halt back some time ago, but don't remember when it was.
I know it appeared on Allstocks' CMKX thread, so maybe someone else can locate it.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Yea,and what did UCAD/USCA do since then?
I believe it was around a holiday,maybe a Canadian holiday I think.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
highwaychild,This MAY be the answer as to why you have not received your split shares:
THE DIRECTOR HEREBY ORDERS:
1. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act that trading in all securities by and of
The Respondents cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004If those shares are coming directly from CMKX (as opposed to from USCA), maybe that genius Glenn has said sending them out constitutes a form or whatever of "trading in securities". Don't really know.
Posted by tigertony on :
Here might be an example that they could be talking about lying.Look at 2 press releases one in 2002 the other in 2004.2 years apart repeating what they said they were doing
back then.January 21, 2004 08:02
Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Purchase of Drill Rigg, Accessories, Extra Equipment for Drilling
Company Signs One Year Contract With Experienced Drill Foreman to Oversee Drill Operation Program - Commits to Drilling Numerous Holes in Search Of Kimberlite Pipes in the Forte a la Corne Area and Green Lake AreaLAS VEGAS, Jan 21, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) announced today that the company has purchased its own Drill Rigg and all equipment necessary to drill for diamonds. The company has also purchased secure warehouse facilities and living quarters for company drillers to work around the clock. In addition Security Fencing has been ordered for the protection of the facilities.
Urban Casavant President of CMKM stated, "Now that we have purchased our own Drill Rigg, the company is in a position to drill numerous holes at a reduced cost. This gives us a tremendous advantage in speeding the process of finding diamonds. We are excited to finally move forward with the drilling process, and now have our own drilling facilities to support the program and secure our core drillings for lab analysis."
Drill equipment is being immobilized immediately to facilities in preparation for drilling first target. The company approximates drill permits to be approved by the end of the month and drilling to commence.
There is no guarantee that further exploration of drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statement, other than the statements of historical facts may be deemed to contain forward looking statements with respect to events, the occurrence of which involves risk and uncertainties, including, without limitation, demand and competition for the company's products and services, the availability to the company of adequate financing to support its anticipated activities, the ability of the company to generate cash flow from operations and the ability of the company to manage its operations.
SOURCE Casavant Mining Kimberlite International
12/2/2002...Announces Purchase Bid for Latest Model Truck Mounted Drilling Rig with Diamond Exploration Schedule
Last Updated: 1:52 AM ET 12/2/2002
LAS VEGAS, Dec 2, 2002 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Inc. (CMKI ) announced today that it was bidding for the latest model truck mounted drilling rig. The Company intends on purchasing the drilling rig following design and maintenance approval by the drill team project manager. The drilling rig and all related equipment (i.e. water truck, water tank, 3000 feet drilling capacity, onsite geologist office and living camp) will be relocated "turn-key" to the Company's mineral claims which are located in proximity to the Fort a la Corne diamond fields in Saskatchewan, Canada. For the past 10 years, the Fort a la Corne diamond fields have been the subject of joint exploration by De Beers Canada Exploration, Inc., Kennsington Resources Ltd., Cameco Corporation and UEM, Inc. To date, over $20 million (USD) has been spent testing 71 kimberlite bodies which have been described as world class diamondiferous kimberlite pipes. The Company will use the latest in airborne and surface technologies to test for both magnetic and non-magnetic diamondiferous kimberlite fields using proprietary software. During this phase of exploration, the Company will identify those drill sites which evidence the best profile for diamondiferous kimberlite pipes. With over a 1,000,000 acres of claims, the Company will be able to minimize exploration costs while maximizing exploration results through the use of this state of the art technology. The new drilling rig will be used by the Company to test core samples in the diamondiferous kimberlite bodies evidencing the best software enhanced profiles. The core samples take anywhere from 3 to 5 drilling days to complete per hole depending upon set-up time and overburden thickness. The Company's claims are accessible by secondary roads but some rough-cut access routes will be necessary at more remote sites. The depth of drilling will vary depending on overburden thickness with 250 to 350 feet being the norm in order to intersect diamondiferous kimberlite pipes. The Company previously announced that it intended on beginning core sampling by 1Q03, but with the new drilling rig in the field scheduling can be accelerated. The core drilling will be in phases with 7 to 10 drill holes per month using one drilling rig with three shifts during a 24 hr. period. As additional drilling rigs become available, the Company will bring them on line with a Canadian Dollar drilling budget of $8,000,000. All core samples will be retained in the Company's secured warehouse facilities. The core will be sent to an independent laboratory for testing. Under the terms of the Claims Purchase and Exploration Rights Agreement with Buckshot Holdings, Ltd. and Commando Holdings, Ltd. there is a 3% NPI royalty on any facetable gemstones discovered on the claims. Both Buckshot and Commando are companies managed by Urban Casavant and beneficially owned by his family. Results of the drill core sampling will be released immediately upon testing. The Company will announce the names and backgrounds of its geologists, drill team experts, and executive advisory members in future news releases.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by skippy:
quote:
The one I want is from months ago when UCAD was halted until they released information about the sample results.Skippy,
Are you sure you're not thinking of the Carolyn pipe results? That's the one where CMKX put out a press release claiming it was "found to be diamondiferous" and caused a trade imbalance on the 2 Canadian partners the next day. I know they were halted for at least a day, maybe more but UCAD wasn't one of them. It was United Carina Resources and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold. They were halted on the Toronto exchange.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
the SEC can stop trading for 10 business days to investigate there findings. i suspect that the 9th is the end of that period of time.
quote:
Originally posted by skippy:
What is significant about Nov.10th?"U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C.
SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
RELEASE NO. 50599 / October 28, 2004
The Securities and Exchange Commission announced the temporary suspension, pursuant to Section 12(k) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 ("Exchange Act"), of over-the-counter trading of the securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board symbol “USCA”), of Las Vegas, Nevada. The suspension will commence at 9:30 a.m. EDT, October 28, 2004, through 11:59 p.m. EST, on NOVEMBER 10, 2004. "and in Wallace's post about the Directors
"THE DIRECTOR HEREBY ORDERS:
1. Pursuant to clause 134(1)(d) of the Act that trading in all securities by and of
The Respondents cease forthwith up to and including November 9, 2004"Why would they be restricted from trading now until/including November 9th? Is it o.k. for them to trade after November 9th?
Any ideas as to why the trading period has a definite ending date? If the company is under investigation why would they list an ending date? Or is it just common to have a suspension period of "x" days? Any thoughts?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
that was not the SEC that was the exchanges they can halt trading if they feel there is inaccurate information or and imbalance. in that case the news came out on a holliday weelend in the US where the us markets where closed but the Canadian markets where open. they halted the trading because that was the weekend that they announced the diamond dust that they found.
quote:
Originally posted by skippy:
Did the SEC issue a statement months ago when they halted UCAD trading or was that just the canadian market? If so, where can I get a look at the last statement regarding the UCAD halt.Thanks
Posted by Upside on :
skippy,
I'm assuming this is the one you are looking for. Penny-trader is correct, the Canadian partners were not halted by the SEC or the Canadian equivalent, They were halted by the TSX. I don't believe UCAD was ever halted.
quote:]www.casavantmining.com [/quote]
LAS VEGAS, Jun 10, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is very excited to announce that the "Carolyn Pipe" is confirmed to be diamondiferous.Saskatchewan Research Council (SRC), an independent lab located in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan reported to the company today that the core samples from the "Carolyn Pipe" has come back positive for diamond content. The "Carolyn Pipe" is located on the jointly owned Smeaton property in Saskatchewan, Canada held by CMKM Diamonds Inc., being the primary operator of the claims, United Carina Resources Corp. ( UCA ), Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. ( KPG ) and U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. ( UCAD ).
[URL=http://www.casavantmining.com[This message has been edited by Upside (edited October 28, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
thats the one.it was a holiday monday in the US but the Canadian markets where open. The trading on United carina and pine had everyone excited as to what the effect would be on the opening of the market. That was the last time the pps ran up to .0011
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
skippy,
I'm assuming this is the one you are looking for. Penny-trader is correct, the Canadian partners were not halted by the SEC or the Canadian equivalent, They were halted by the TSX. I don't believe UCAD was ever halted.[QUOTE]LAS VEGAS, Jun 10, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) is very excited to announce that the "Carolyn Pipe" is confirmed to be diamondiferous.
Saskatchewan Research Council (SRC), an independent lab located in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan reported to the company today that the core samples from the "Carolyn Pipe" has come back positive for diamond content. The "Carolyn Pipe" is located on the jointly owned Smeaton property in Saskatchewan, Canada held by CMKM Diamonds Inc., being the primary operator of the claims, United Carina Resources Corp. ( UCA ), Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. ( KPG ) and U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. ( UCAD ).
]www.casavantmining.com[/QUOTE]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
skippy,Upside is correct. I was mistaken thinking it included UCAD.
Posted by will on :
Well, well, well, I guess I don't understand this stock, I guess I find negatives where there aren't any, I guess I kvetch. Which reminds me, where are all those people that understand this stock, that find positive in negatives, and are always supportive and positive.
Glad I didn't pour $25,000 into this little piggy.
It is unbelievable the fools are still trying to spin this thing positively. Give up now, you're butts are whipped, and now you understand this stock.
You understand? You find any negatives here?
Bake that crow at 450 degrees Wallace, and keep it coming. Insulting pigs, trying to embarrass peoeple with "you don't understand this stock", and "you find negatives where there aren't any", you all should be ashamed to show yourselves, and eventdently, you are.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 28, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, nice to see you in your usual good spirits. LOL
Posted by Binky on :
http://www.stockpatrol.com/schlock/doghouse/u_cmkm.htmlUPDATE: CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. (Pink Sheets: CMKM) - LESS AND MORE June 22, 2004 CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
A June 10, 2004 press release from CMKM proclaimed that samples recovered from the Company's "Carolyn Pipe" drilling project had been confirmed to be "diamondiferous" by an independent laboratory.What was the extent of "diamond content?" The CMKM press release did not elaborate, although it did offer a routine disclaimer that "[t]here is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company."
Fortunately, other participants in the project eventually were more forthcoming.
As the Company noted in its press release, the "Carolyn Pipe" is located on property in Smeaton, Saskatchewan that is jointly owned by CMKM and three other companies listed on U.S. and Canadian exchanges - United Carina Resources Corp. (CDNX: UCA), Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. (CDNX: KPG); and U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD).
The diamondiferous announcement may have fueled investor interest in CMKM, but it had a decidedly different effect on two of its partners, United Carina Resources and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold. The CMKM press release was issued at 6:26pm on Thursday June 10th, after the U.S. markets had closed for a long weekend that included an unusual Friday closing in honor of President Ronald Reagan's funeral.
Canadian markets were opened for business as usual on Friday June 11th, which might have allowed CMKM's Canadian-listed joint-venture partners to profit from the diamondiferous disclosure. Instead, trading in the two stocks was suspended by the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSE) on June 11th before the market opened. The TSE said that the suspension had been requested by United Carina Resources and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold "pending an announcement." All trades prior to the halt were cancelled because of an imbalance of material information.
Four days later, a press release from United Carina Resources balanced the available information and removed the luster from CMKM's diamondiferous find. The June 15th press release indicated that the samples were only marginally "diamondiferous." Indeed, one 40.01 kilogram sample contained two diamonds having a combined weight of less than .000005 carats. No diamonds were recovered from eleven other samples.
The United Carina press release shed further light on some earlier statements from CMKM. In a March 29, 2004 press release, CMKM announced a new kimberlite discovery on the Smeaton property, which it said would be named "The Carolyn Pipe" after the wife of CMKM's President Urban Casavant. According to United Carina, however, the kimberlite at "The Carolyn Pipe" was hardly new. It said that kimberlite had first been intersected on the Smeaton property in 1996, but was not fully tested at that time. Since that time it had been referred to as the Smeaton kimberlite.
Investors who have been relying upon news emanating from CMKM may not be aware of these details; CMKM has not yet issued a press release revealing the minimal nature of its diamondiferous discovery.
Posted by will on :
Binky:You just now getting around to that? I questioned that in June, and was told I didn't understand this stock. LOL!
Posted by Upside on :
Will,
Please have an open mind! I was just on Paltalk listening to Sterling talk about what's going to happen now. Somehow CMKX and SGGM are going to reach an "equilibrium" and then they will be "parallel trading" even though one is at .50 per share and the other is at .0002 per share. Then the key is to buy whichever one is lower and when they "equalize, or reach the state of equilibrium", you sell the one you just bought, wait for the "divergence of the equilibrium", then buy the low one again and the whole process repeats itself.I am not making any of this up. This is his current thinking and the Paltalkers are thanking him for clearing everthing up! It's just amazing. This really is like a cult.
Posted by will on :
C'mon man, you're kidding me. It doesn't even make any sense. Sounds like double talk, and these mopes are thanking him?
They're about to make me sick, bunch of puke eaters.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Will,
Please have an open mind! I was just on Paltalk listening to Sterling talk about what's going to happen now. Somehow CMKX and SGGM are going to reach an "equilibrium" and then they will be "parallel trading" even though one is at .50 per share and the other is at .0002 per share. Then the key is to buy whichever one is lower and when they "equalize, or reach the state of equilibrium", you sell the one you just bought, wait for the "divergence of the equilibrium", then buy the low one again and the whole process repeats itself.I am not making any of this up. This is his current thinking and the Paltalkers are thanking him for clearing everthing up! It's just amazing. This really is like a cult.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Up,Isn't that Sterling some kind of military guy...a major or something? Now we know what happened to all those missing weapons from that storage facility in Iraq. They were parallel traded. LOL
Posted by will on :
DD my ass! It doesn't take a genius to know when you see a dog with a human face and its owner says, "hey! I don't know what happend", someone isn't being forthright, and honest.
Posted by Upside on :
Nope, not kidding. I actually took notes but it got sickening and I had to turn it off. These people have not wavered one bit and are grasping at anything anyone throws out there. One guy was saying that the "trap has now sprung" followed by Caaaching, Caaaching. It's insane.
Posted by will on :
Yea, exchanged for antimatter in a parallel universe ran by the "BAD" Captain Sterling Kirk.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Up,Isn't that Sterling some kind of military guy...a major or something? Now we know what happened to all those missing weapons from that storage facility in Iraq. They were parallel traded. LOL
Posted by will on :
Tell him to check where the jaws of that trap are going to lock, just tell him to look between his legs.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Nope, not kidding. I actually took notes but it got sickening and I had to turn it off. These people have not wavered one bit and are grasping at anything anyone throws out there. One guy was saying that the "trap has now sprung" followed by Caaaching, Caaaching. It's insane.
Posted by Upside on :
You know, what irks me the most is that a lot of people are going to be in a world of hurt if this is the demise of this stock and all along while we were trying to point out some of the questionable things surrounding this company, we were told to leave, go protect someone else, told we weren't needed here, Wallace had death wished upon him, and many people left because of the issues we brought up. Just goes to show you how important us "bashers" can be in the long run, especially to a newbie.
Posted by will on :
UpMan, remember when I use to say: "He's dead Jim, he's dead",
"thats ok he'll be ok, he's just dead, no problem"
Now he's dead and burried, and he's still ok. I can't believe this crap.
Maybe I don't understand this stock, maybe I find negatives where there aren't any.
Wonder if a few of them might think this a negative now. Ya think?
You know that $25,000 that was looking so good last week when I said I would be worried about it, but a lot of loyalist said they wish they had 50 or 100 million shares, ask 'em if it it's still looking good. Man, I wish I had all those shares, if it goes to .0004, you'd be in tall cotton along with all dividends, in a pig's ass you would.[This message has been edited by will (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
Hopefully they didn't put their money where their mouth was. Hopefully they were paper trading. If not, oh well, now they understand the stock, and can't find positives because of the negatives.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
You know, what irks me the most is that a lot of people are going to be in a world of hurt if this is the demise of this stock and all along while we were trying to point out some of the questionable things surrounding this company, we were told to leave, go protect someone else, told we weren't needed here, Wallace had death wished upon him, and many people left because of the issues we brought up. Just goes to show you how important us "bashers" can be in the long run, especially to a newbie.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Caaaching,chaaaching sounds more like a slot machine than a trap. A trap shuts with a very loud metalic snap (unless something is caught in it).
Posted by joeyisthebest on :
hey Upside, Will you want more power behind sterlings thoughts check out the green barron's latest update http://64.4.53.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=f96345549874394680f48f425d0270e3&lat=1099023177&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2e*************%2ecom
Posted by joeyisthebest on :
sorry bad link this one will work http://www.*************.com/Latest%20Update.htm
Posted by will on :
Ok, anyone wanna make book on how long it takes Dr Glenn to disappear?
He was suppose to be the keynote speaker at the party. Looks like they'll have to settle for Elcamino's convocation to be the highlight of that conspiracy of dunces.
Posted by Upside on :
Joe, regarding the part of your link that gets blocked out, I'm assuming its"*************" right?
Posted by Upside on :
Damn, it blocked me too.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
The very sad thing is that there were people sucked into buying because of certain posters that were trusted. They believed their rhetoric and then climbed on the bandwagon (aka witch hunt). It's not over yet, but I think it will be a very sad and hard lesson for many.Cannot say we didn't try to warn them.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Will:
quote:
Ok, anyone wanna make book on how long it takes Dr Glenn to disappear?I'll do you one better, anyone wanna make book on how long it takes before Urban and Melvin leave the country?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Will:
I'll do you one better, anyone wanna make book on how long it takes before Urban and Melvin leave the country?Maybe both...US and Canada. Then there is South America.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey, where'd everybody go? Noticed that as soon as Will started posting. LOL[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
...and you know what Wallace? They'll be here and/or other places telling people this is just a conspiracy, a trick by the MM's in collusion with the SEC and DTC, trying to shake them, and swearing to god this is a play of a lifetime now. "Buy all you can while it's on sale at these discounted prices, I am still accummulating", and there will still be some willing to listen.
The most my tuition bill can be is $350, sure would have hated to have paid $25,000+ to understand this stock, holy crap!
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
The very sad thing is that there were people sucked into buying because of certain posters that were trusted. They believed their rhetoric and then climbed on the bandwagon (aka witch hunt). It's not over yet, but I think it will be a very sad and hard lesson for many.Cannot say we didn't try to warn them.
Posted by Upside on :
That is exactly what they're saying now Will. A popular theory is that the market makers and the SEC are somehow in cahoots in some huge naked short conspiracy. This gets better by the minute.
Posted by will on :
I never tried to warn anyone. I only asked that if it is such a great play why wasn't the management more forthright and forthcoming. If you have "the goods", why do you have to be ambiguous, and borderline decpetive?
There was no checking the faithful's reality. They took it personally as criticism, and lashed back with insults and efforts to embarrass.
Posted by Upside on :
Don't write off your $350 just yet though Will because remember, according to ElCamino, "they got"!
Posted by will on :
The faithful don't like reality, Wallace. Half don't believe it, the other half are trying to think of something to tell their better half. LOL
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Hey, where'd everybody go? Noticed that as soon as Will started posting. LOL[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Got to go now guys. Wonder what tomorrow will bring. Good night.
Posted by will on :
I have movers coming tomorrow. It's my bedtime, and I'll be busy most of the day. Upman, Wallace, I'm sure you know my feelings, and I'm sure my feelings will be well represented in your posts.
Sincerely I wanted to make some chaching ($), off of this stock. I knew in my heart you guys were right. I am/was skeptical, but didn't want to hear yas, I hoped for the best. It's funny that even being a doubter, I wanted to believe, and ignore your cautions, but your posts delt in reality, the faithful's in hopes, wishes, dreams, theories. Most of your facts were supported by past events, and proven. Their's dealt with the future, and when they failed to materialize they mounted a new horse and the old horse was never to be seen again, just gone and never mentioned, replaced by new more unbelievable mount.
Posted by Upside on :
Stop it Will, I'm crying all over my keyboard here. Goodnight all, see you all tomorrow for another CMKXtreme day! Good luck with the move Will.
Posted by Binky on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Binky:You just now getting around to that? I questioned that in June, and was told I didn't understand this stock. LOL!
Just posting the info about the trading halt everyone was looking for.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
People don't change.
Urban is following suit as the manipulator he is.
Son of a gun this was a very expensive lesson.
Posted by sharkus on :
sooooowho's still going to the party???? I am not as hip nor up to speed in regards to having paltalk....are they even talking about the party and if anyone from "management" will show up?
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78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by GHOST on :
This is just my personal opinion,
but may be if you guys didn't try
so hard to warn people more people
would listen to you!
I just can't imagine any one
spending this much time warning some one about a stock. I can see giving your point
of view once a day may be, but all day.
Just makes the picture look funny.
There must me HOTTER Stocks out there you could be actually playing with!
I'm not saying this is or isn't a scam yet.
If it really is a scam then you are right.
It will be a hard lesson for some.
As for my self, I've lost more on playing the Old Kmart shares then I will on this one if in fact you turn out to be correct on your thinking.
You guys have a great day.
August Focus Stock UpdateCMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX)
Trading in US Canadian Minerals (a CMKX dividend stock) Temporarily Suspended Only One Day after its 3-for-1
Forward Stock Split
On Wednesday, October 27 U.S. Canadian Minerals (USCA) announced that the company’s 3-for-1 forward split had been declared effective. The former symbol for the company was UCAD. This restructuring of the company will allow for the pursuit of additional avenues of financing and future acquisitions. Rendal Williams, CEO of USCA, stated: “With the split and new symbol now effective, the company will continue pursuit of its goals as stated by the board of directors. We expect to have some exciting announcements in the next few days.”
Later that same day, USCA announced it completed the acquisition of a controlling interest in a new processing plant in Buza, Ecuador. The first stage of the facility is 95% complete. The first stage of the plant will have capacity to process approximately 70 tons of gold ore per day. When completed, the second stage of the plant will have processing capacity of approximately 400 to 500 tons of gold ore per day.
In the same announcement, Rendal Williams stated, “… Through our commitment to CMKM Diamonds and Nevada Minerals, USCA is working diligently to expand its production facilities to stay ahead of the processing requirements of the American Shaft gold ore production.”
The next morning, today Thursday October 28, trading of shares in USCA were suspended by the SEC until the end of day on Nov. 10. The SEC said it took action because of questions regarding the accuracy of publicly disseminated information regarding the company’s financing and mining activities and the value of its assets. However, The Green Baron Report expects the shares of USCA to begin trading again at some point next week based on what we believe are unfounded allegations against the company.
Strangely enough, it also came to light this morning that the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission has delegated to the Director of the Securities Division for a special inquiry that was initiated on October 26. The officers of CMKM Diamonds including Melvin O’Neil are being asked to produce supporting documentation to evidence the possibility of trading unregistered shares of CMKM Diamonds back when the stock carried the symbol CMKI and CMKM. The individuals and related companies are being asked to provide a response by November 9, 2004.
The Green Baron Report thinks now more than ever it is obvious a short position exists in the shares of US Canadian Minerals (USCA) and CMKM Diamonds (CMKX). We strongly believe we have just witnessed a consorted all out effort to tarnish the images of CMKM Diamonds and US Canadian Minerals. On the day following a statement by CEO Rendal Williams to expect “some exciting announcements in the next few days”, and only one day before a huge CMKX/USCA shareholder appreciation event begins in Las Vegas, two separate attacks have been launched with precision. US Canadian Minerals stock had also just rallied strongly again on Wednesday to close at a split adjusted $5.65 (pre-split $16.95). Anyone short this stock would have experienced tremendous losses over the past month.
Although a formal statement has not been issued in response at this hour by either company, we expect both CMKM Diamonds and US Canadian Minerals to successfully and quickly resolve any questions that are being raised by the interested parties. U.S. Canadian Minerals just got done announcing on Tuesday October 25 that it had initiated preparations for compliance with the upcoming additional requirements under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002. The Green Baron Report notes that this is typically not the type of announcement that comes from a company that has done something wrong.
It seems very odd that the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission chose this precise moment to inquire about trading activity that probably took place a year ago in CMKM Diamonds. The Green Baron Report is convinced there are other forces at hand that do not want CMKM Diamonds to be successful, and they chose this exact moment to launch its smear campaign.
The Green Baron Report has been told that former SEC attorney D. Roger Glenn will be involved in responding to both inquiries. Again, we are confident that Mr. Glenn’s vast experience with the SEC will resolve these issues in a very timely and professional manner. In the meantime, we will gladly wait for resolution of these matters, and for CMKM Diamonds to become what we still believe will be The Stock Play of a Lifetime.
[This message has been edited by GHOST (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Did anyone get their 3 to 1 forward split shares before this happened?
I use Ameritrade and I didn't get mine yet.
Could this be what this is really all about?
Just seems like a ploy to me with the timming of this.Not me. I use Ameritrade. I called them yesterday and they told me they were waiting for the company to tell them what kind of shares as in restricted or not. We all know they will be restricted though.
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by sharkus:
sooooowho's still going to the party???? I am not as hip nor up to speed in regards to having paltalk....are they even talking about the party and if anyone from "management" will show up?
See my post on page 23 @ 14:25
Good luck to all,
Steve
Posted by tradingpennys on :
I have sell orders in and they are being cancelled 1 by 1. UGH!
Posted by tradingpennys on :
and it's hit rooooooock bottom! 0.0001
Posted by safeguard on :
The Green Baron Report
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX)
Trading in US Canadian Minerals (a CMKX dividend stock) Temporarily
Suspended Only One Day after its 3-for-1Forward Stock Split
On Wednesday, October 27 U.S. Canadian Minerals (USCA) announced that
the company's 3-for-1 forward split had been declared effective. The
former symbol for the company was UCAD. This restructuring of the
company will allow for the pursuit of additional avenues of financing
and future acquisitions. Rendal Williams, CEO of USCA, stated: "With
the split and new symbol now effective, the company will continue
pursuit of its goals as stated by the board of directors. We expectto have some exciting announcements in the next few days."
Later that same day, USCA announced it completed the acquisition of a
controlling interest in a new processing plant in Buza, Ecuador. The
first stage of the facility is 95% complete. The first stage of the
plant will have capacity to process approximately 70 tons of gold ore
per day. When completed, the second stage of the plant will have
processing capacity of approximately 400 to 500 tons of gold ore per
day.In the same announcement, Rendal Williams stated, "… Through our
commitment to CMKM Diamonds and Nevada Minerals, USCA is working
diligently to expand its production facilities to stay ahead of the
processing requirements of the American Shaft gold ore production."The next morning, today Thursday October 28, trading of shares in
USCA were suspended by the SEC until the end of day on Nov. 10. The
SEC said it took action because of questions regarding the accuracy
of publicly disseminated information regarding the company's
financing and mining activities and the value of its assets. However,
The Green Baron Report expects the shares of USCA to begin trading
again at some point next week based on what we believe are unfounded
allegations against the company.Strangely enough, it also came to light this morning that the
Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission has delegated to the
Director of the Securities Division for a special inquiry that was
initiated on October 26. The officers of CMKM Diamonds including
Melvin O'Neil are being asked to produce supporting documentation to
evidence the possibility of trading unregistered shares of CMKM
Diamonds back when the stock carried the symbol CMKI and CMKM. The
individuals and related companies are being asked to provide a
response by November 9, 2004.The Green Baron Report thinks now more than ever it is obvious a
short position exists in the shares of US Canadian Minerals (USCA)
and CMKM Diamonds (CMKX). We strongly believe we have just witnessed
a consorted all out effort to tarnish the images of CMKM Diamonds and
US Canadian Minerals. On the day following a statement by CEO Rendal
Williams to expect "some exciting announcements in the next few
days", and only one day before a huge CMKX/USCA shareholder
appreciation event begins in Las Vegas, two separate attacks have
been launched with precision. US Canadian Minerals stock had also
just rallied strongly again on Wednesday to close at a split adjusted
$5.65 (pre-split $16.95). Anyone short this stock would have
experienced tremendous losses over the past month.Although a formal statement has not been issued in response at this
hour by either company, we expect both CMKM Diamonds and US Canadian
Minerals to successfully and quickly resolve any questions that are
being raised by the interested parties. U.S. Canadian Minerals just
got done announcing on Tuesday October 25 that it had initiated
preparations for compliance with the upcoming additional requirements
under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002. The Green Baron Report notes
that this is typically not the type of announcement that comes from a
company that has done something wrong.It seems very odd that the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission
chose this precise moment to inquire about trading activity that
probably took place a year ago in CMKM Diamonds. The Green Baron
Report is convinced there are other forces at hand that do not want
CMKM Diamonds to be successful, and they chose this exact moment to
launch its smear campaign.The Green Baron Report has been told that former SEC attorney D.
Roger Glenn will be involved in responding to both inquiries. Again,
we are confident that Mr. Glenn's vast experience with the SEC will
resolve these issues in a very timely and professional manner. In
the meantime, we will gladly wait for resolution of these matters,
and for CMKM Diamonds to become what we still believe will be The
Stock Play of a Lifetime.
Posted by safeguard on :
Wow...0.0003 on bad news!...maybe the printing presses have stopped for a while LOL
Posted by Kurupt on :
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Canadian securities regulators in the province of Saskatchewan have issued an order temporarily enjoining insiders of CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) from selling the company stock to residents.According to the order issued by the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission, Urban Casavant, David Desormeau and Melvin O´Neil traded shares of CMKM Diamonds and its predecessor Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, "when they were not registered pursuant to section 27 of the Act."
The order also states that Casavant, Desormeau and O´Neil have, "with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of (Casavant Mining and CMKM) made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are misrepresentations."
The order expires Nov. 9. It´s unclear how CMKM Diamonds and the persons named will respond to the order.
CMKM president and large shareholder Casavant wasn´t immediately available for comment. O´Neil, CMKM Diamonds´ spokesperson was also unavailable. Desormeau is named as secretary and treasurer of Casavant International Mining Corp. in the state of Nevada´s corporate database. Desormeau wasnt´ immediately available for comment either. Meanwhile, Roger Glenn, a lawyer representing CMKM Diamonds, didn´t return a telephone call seeking comment.
CMKM Diamonds has been the subject of three "In The Money" columns which highlighted its huge daily trading volume and the lack of information surrounding the company and its mineral claims. According to the corporation department of the state of Nevada, there are currently 800 billion shares of CMKM authorized.
Billions of CMKM shares trade daily but because it trades on the unregulated Pink Sheets, the company doesn´t have to provide any financial information to its shareholders.
Although CMKM has declined to say just how many shares are outstanding, a recent dividend payment related to U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (USCA)´s acquisition of 5% of CMKM Diamonds´ mineral claims indicated that some 780 billion shares had been issued. CMKM Diamonds shares were recently changing hands at about $0.0001, down 50% on the day.
Separately, the Securities and Exchange Commission suspended trading in the shares of U.S. Canadian Minerals earlier Thursday. The SEC said it took action because of questions regarding the accuracy of publicly disseminated information regarding U.S. Canadian Minerals´ financing and mining activities and the value of its assets. The SEC said it has been assisted in its inquiry into U.S. Canadian Minerals´ public statements by the NASD, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission and the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority.
U.S. Canadian Minerals and CMKM Diamonds are holding a combined party for their shareholders in Las Vegas this weekend.
(Carol S. Remond is an award-winning columnist and one of four who write the "In The Money" feature. Most recently, she shared a 2003 Best of Business Award from the Society of Business Editors and Writers for her role in Dow Jones´ team coverage of the Canary Capital mutual fund trading scandal.)
-By Carol S. Remond; Dow Jones Newswires; 201 938 2074; carol.remond@dowjones.com
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
October 29, 2004 07:30 ET (11:30 GMT)
Posted by safeguard on :
what the ...??
A momemt ago the bid was .0002 1 share.
Now look at (from pink sheets).
Best Bid: 0.0001 (5000000 shares)
Best Ask: 0.0003 (9500000 shares)
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Safeguard...What bad news??
I only thought the bad news was for USCA....
Positive thinking....LOL
Posted by safeguard on :
And now...
Best Bid: 0.0001 (5000000 shares)
Best Ask: 0.0003 (10000000 shares)
Posted by rockinit on :
Sarbanes-Oxley Act to restore investor confidence from Edwards and Angells website .
http://1millionaire.********s31.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1099033150
Posted by safeguard on :
You know, this all initiated out of Canada...where a lot of NS holders probably live.
Posted by safeguard on :
Let's see...
USCA trading suspended concurrent with attack on CMKM diamond's managment team, this coming from Canada...The trading suspension came the day after USCA 3/1 split when the stock was about to soar again...and both attacks occurred a day before their LV parties...the attack against the CMKX management team is on old symbol CMKI of over ayear ago??
NS holders had to take action and get their buddies at SEC to stop the run...
Very strategic attack.
Posted by Upside on :
You need to be de-programmed.
Posted by Justhis1ce on :
Regarding the Halt: I'm satisfied that the MM's and the Hedgies had run out of bullets and then threw the gun at UCAS. Useless last ditch effort. They're going down, simple as that.
Posted by joeyisthebest on :
Ok guys and girls lets see what we have CMKX probably worst news at the worst time. Next day CMKX bid up and ask up but quickly falls back hmmm I think we are seeing the sign of NSS positions slowly trying to fill but it is clearly too late. I think USCA was haulted due to the NSS position in CMKX because of all the shares of USCA that the MM's were trying to cover. The SEC is haulting USCA because their value is way too high but the reason behind the high value is the MM's trying to cover and great news for old UCAD made the run even bigger. Then UCAD did a 3-1 FS which screwed the MM's over IMO right now they have their thumbs up their
Posted by TruthTeller on :
1% of me believes there is this possibility.
fyi.. I was able to sell some at 0002.
Why wasn't IBZT halted? Don't know details.
quote:
Originally posted by joeyisthebest:
Ok guys and girls lets see what we have CMKX probably worst news at the worst time. Next day CMKX bid up and ask up but quickly falls back hmmm I think we are seeing the sign of NSS positions slowly trying to fill but it is clearly too late. I think USCA was haulted due to the NSS position in CMKX because of all the shares of USCA that the MM's were trying to cover. The SEC is haulting USCA because their value is way too high but the reason behind the high value is the MM's trying to cover and great news for old UCAD made the run even bigger. Then UCAD did a 3-1 FS which screwed the MM's over IMO right now they have their thumbs up their
Posted by mdec on :
Oh my God, you need help.
M de C
Posted by bill1352 on :
good lord, the mm's got the SEC to go along with canada to halt ucad because cmkx was shorted. is that what i'm seeing????!!!!! i hope so because if not this flashback from all the LSD i did in yrs past is a big one.......................ARE YOU PPL F"IN CRAZY??????????!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Upside on :
So if I've got this straight, the market makers went to the SEC and the Canadian regulatory body and persuaded them both to investigate UCAD and CMKX for a naked short position, thereby stalling or killing a run-up in UCAD's pps, right? Just trying to develop this picture in my head, can anyone confirm that this is the current thinking?
Posted by tigertony on :
LMAOquote:
Originally posted by Upside:
You need to be de-programmed.
Posted by bill1352 on :
that looks like the new idea to me too upside. this cmkx is one powerful mining stock. must be that big run to .0003 even though it only bumped it for a monent, got those naked shorted mm's scared. it amazes me that ppl still think mm's tried to cover ucad dividend shares
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
So if I've got this straight, the market makers went to the SEC and the Canadian regulatory body and persuaded them both to investigate UCAD and CMKX for a naked short position, thereby stalling or killing a run-up in UCAD's pps, right? Just trying to develop this picture in my head, can anyone confirm that this is the current thinking?
who said anything about investigating naked shorts?...the investigation is clearly stated as selling old certs - CMKI - for CMKX management and whether UCAD reported financials correctly...but as was brought out - UCAD was already going ahead with SO auditing so books have to be in order.[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
Ok, if that's the theory something doesn't make sense to me. The nss theory is based on the fact that the mm's are the evil ones who are doing the naked shorting and hold the huge naked short position. So in effect, by their going to the SEC and forcing an investigation, aren't they exposing themselves? That's like committing a crime and then giving the police all the necessary evidence to convict you, then persuading them to investigate it. It doesn't make sense. Someone please explain this to me!
Posted by Upside on :
Safeguard,
I'm going by what I've read here and on other boards. If that's not the case, and if it's not for the reasons the SEC is saying, what is really going on then?
Posted by safeguard on :
By: anastasia_210 (from RB)
29 Oct 2004, 02:43 AM EDT
Msg. 12586 of 12618
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The SEC are being investigated by the FBI for DEFRAUDING investors. The SEC has colluded with the MMs and Short Sellers in NAKED SHORTING stocks. eom
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
LMAOMe too!!! Keep it up Upside.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
Now there's a wrinkle I wasn't aware of. See, it's getting clearer. So, the FBI is investigating the SEC who's investigating UCAD, but not really because they are in collusion with the MM's and are shorting stocks right alongside the MM's so their investigation isn't real so UCAD will skate right out of this. One question though, if that's the case, what will prevent the naked shorting from going on unabated after this sham investigation is concluded? Actually two questions, how does CMKX and the Canadian regulatory commission tie in with all of this?
Posted by safeguard on :
Good Info...
By: anastasia_210 from RB
16 Sep 2004, 04:00 PM EDT
Msg. 10992
Subject : A Twelve Step Program to Clean up the OTC Stock Market
This is the intro to a commentary that lists a few suggestions for the
governing bodies of the OTC stock market. It's not the only right answer to
the mess that the OTC has become, but it's a start. The entire article is
linked below. By the way, I'm forwarding this to the 23rd Annual SEC Small
Business Forum, we'll se if they have any comments on it there.
Let's face the facts: the OTC stock market is a shambles, and if someone
doesn't do something about it soon, it will be lucky to survive. It's like a
neighborhood that's been allowed to fall into disrepair for decades, if the
neighborhood association (the SEC, NASD, and DTC, in this case) doesn't do
anything to make the neighborhood safer and more desirable, then all the
respectable homeowners will move out, and the only ones left will be drug
dealers, gangbangers, and crack whores. And since the stock market's
equivalent of a "neighborhood association" seems content to watch from the
sidelines (or, as some critics contend, align themselves with the riffraff
that is looting the neighborhood), it's up to the remaining "homeowners" and
neighborhood activists to step in and take back their own neighborhood.
We have to demand that the criminals are arrested, that the laws are
enforced (and if the existing laws aren't adequate to address the problems,
that new laws are introduced), and that the streets are cleaned up. In other
words, it's time to make sweeping changes in OTCLand, and if those in charge
aren't up to the task, then it's time for new leadership.
Does anyone here really believe that the SEC gives a damn about the
small investor? The truth is, they (and the NASD, the DTC, the market
makers, and the brokers themselves) all get a cut every time a neighborhood
con artist rips off one of the locals. The only trouble is, once they've
fleeced the remaining available victims, the neighborhood will be in such
disrepair that no new money will ever get invested into it again. And once
that happens, once the money stops flowing, then everyone loses.
So, on the outside chance that someone "up there" really wants to reform
the OTC stock market for the betterment of the small investor and the
legitimate companies who are struggling to survive in a rigged game, I've
taken the liberty of making a few suggestions about how to clean up this
neighborhood. You may or may not agree with all of them, but until we begin
the process of reform in our markets, our "neighborhood" will continue to
deteriorate until it becomes essentially worthless.
A Twelve Step Program to Clean up the OTC Stock Market http://www. faulkingtruth . com/Articles/Investing101/1010.html
Mark Faulk
info @ FaulkingTruth .com
www. FaulkingTruth .com
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Now I have to laugh
by the way no offense to you safe
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
By: anastasia_210 (from RB)
29 Oct 2004, 02:43 AM EDT
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The SEC are being investigated by the FBI for DEFRAUDING investors. The SEC has colluded with the MMs and Short Sellers in NAKED SHORTING stocks. eom
Posted by safeguard on :
petition to investigate naked shorting...
http://www.rgm.com/shortselling.html
Posted by safeguard on :
A PIPE used in hedge funds and what it is...
http://www.kl.com/files/tbl_s48News/PDFUpload307/10634/SENC0804.pdf
http://www.realfundcompliance.com/pr_funds.cfm
http://www.rgm.com/articles/pipe1.html
http://www.rgm.com/articles/pipe2.html
http://www.rgm.com/articles/pipe3.html
More on short selling and PIPEs...
http://www.microcapalliance.com/editorials/article.asp?aid=65
http://biz.yahoo.com/ts/040521/10161684_3.html
http://www.marhedge.com/news/Hedge.News.asp?s=HedgeH-2004-07-08-10-55-17 p1.htm[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
Question -I am not taking a position on anything, but will agree, it looks pretty grim at this point. But if we look at what this stock has and hasnt done, nothing woudl really surprise me anymore.
However,
WIth all this nonsense and temporary halts etc...
Why is CMKX still trading and fluctuating from 0.0001 to 0.0003Anyone have any real ideas?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
safeguard reposted:By: anastasia
Wasn't that the guy that got shot by the mob in the NYC barbershop murder?
safeguard, if that's the case, you are reposting dead material! LOL
By the way, please re-read all the posts about the SEC and Canadian authorities releases. They DEFINITIVELY tell you why they took action!!! Nothing about NSS, split, finding loads of diamonds or gold, master plan, Roger Glenn's so-called expertise, etc., etc. It IS time to face reality, isn't it?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
JEAL,My read is as follows:
1) Neither the SEC nor the Canadian authorities halted trading in CMKX. So far, the Canadian authorities have told the 3 stooges they cannot sell any securities at all.
2) Probably thinking (incorrectly) there is a NSS condition, and learning that the 3 stooges cannot sell securities, some thought it would cause the "squeeze" to kick in...which it would not if there were few NNS positions. However, with that thinking, I am sure some diehards were willing to place buys at .0003.
The above is based upon my conclusion that the 3 stooges cannot now be dumping additional shares on to the open market. However with outstanding shs at about 780 billion, the action had no effect.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
Question -However,
WIth all this nonsense and temporary halts etc...
Why is CMKX still trading and fluctuating from 0.0001 to 0.0003exactly...why hit USCA when CMKX would be the big fish to fry if anything was obviously dirty...Roger Glenn's presence stopped that but he doesn't work for USCA...USCA stock was rising rapidly right after the 3/1 split...too costly to MMs
now both companies will get canned on technicalities...CMKX management on something out of Canada that probably occurred over a year ago (out of Roger Glenn's hands and ability to clean up)
-and-
USCA on probably overstating assets since that can be questioned as an arbitarty judgement call...throwing doubt on the company, stopping the stock rise and halting investor interest...after 10 days the pps will open low and give the MM's and NS's a chance to cover.[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
Wallace - thanks for the input.1. If - as you referenced " the 3 stooges cannot sell securitites ", what does this exactly mean. How can there continue to be trading then. I thought UC was the controlling factor?
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
JEAL,My read is as follows:
1) Neither the SEC nor the Canadian authorities halted trading in CMKX. So far, the Canadian authorities have told the 3 stooges they cannot sell any securities at all.
2) Probably thinking (incorrectly) there is a NSS condition, and learning that the 3 stooges cannot sell securities, some thought it would cause the "squeeze" to kick in...which it would not if there were few NNS positions. However, with that thinking, I am sure some diehards were willing to place buys at .0003.
The above is based upon my conclusion that the 3 stooges cannot now be dumping additional shares on to the open market. However with outstanding shs at about 780 billion, the action had no effect.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
safeguard reposted:By: anastasia
Wasn't that the guy that got shot by the mob in the NYC barbershop murder?
right, so he/she posted today on RB at 29 Oct 2004, 02:43 from the grave I guess
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
JEAL,You wrote:
1. If - as you referenced " the 3 stooges cannot sell securitites ", what does this exactly mean. How can there continue to be trading then. I thought UC was the controlling factor?
***************************************Bottom line is that they cannot sell securities to anyone anywhere (incl. the US as well as Canada).
Trading can still continue in both the US and Canada because of other shareholders doing the trading...for example the public or even members of Casavant's family who were not made parties to the action.
This only prevents those 3 from trading securities...which means anything they hold cannot be traded. I would guess it also means that CMKX cannot sell securities as well, because I think Casavant's signature would have to be put on any physical certificates.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
good lord, the mm's got the SEC to go along with canada to halt ucad because cmkx was shorted. is that what i'm seeing????!!!!! i hope so because if not this flashback from all the LSD i did in yrs past is a big one.......................ARE YOU PPL F"IN CRAZY??????????!!!!!!!!!!!Bill, I may be wrong but is the SEC not obligated to investigate formal complaints? Would it not just take a bunch of calls from MMs to trigger a temporary suspension until the matters of the complaint can be investigated?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
safeguard - Just joking about anastasia.
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
safeguard - Just joking about anastasia.me too...posting from the grave LOL
Posted by JEAL on :
SO what happens if you have a certificate then with his signature I wonder?
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
This only prevents those 3 from trading securities...which means anything they hold cannot be traded. I would guess it also means that CMKX cannot sell securities as well, because I think Casavant's signature would have to be put on any physical certificates.[/B]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
JEAL,Nothing would happen. Assuming you are talking about a physical certificate. It would still be a valid/legal certificate and can be traded.
Posted by tigertony on :
Wallace,I was thinking this might be a good buying time.At 0.0001 it can't go any lower.Theres only 790 billion shares.So when they find the largest diamond find ever i should at least triple my money .Especially after the FBI takes down the SEC and MM's that are in collusion along with the canadians.Those are just a few minor problems,i am not worried,i now see the plan unfolding.It took me awhile to realize you can't let the facts interfere with the plan.This will be bigger than watergate.There gonna blow the cover on all of the naked shorting.Don't you see it coming together now.
Posted by JEAL on :
Thanks for the help
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
JEAL,Nothing would happen. Assuming you are talking about a physical certificate. It would still be a valid/legal certificate and can be traded.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tony,Yeah, the problem with all the NSS is that so many of them will be running around with their pants down. Now that we have the FBI involved we should be able to get all the facts. Wasn't that the organization that knew about 911 before it happened or at least knew about some of the suicide terrorists? I suppose CMKX public shareholders can really feel secure knowing they are on the job! LOL
Posted by safeguard on :
What to do...U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission - The SEC
THE U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION (SEC):
The world of investing is fascinating, complex, and can be very fruitful. But unlike the banking world, where deposits are guaranteed by the federal government, stocks, bonds and other securities can lose value. There are no guarantees. That's why investing should not be a spectator sport; indeed, the principal way for investors to protect the money they put into the securities markets is to do research and ask questions... http://www.sec.gov/about/whatwedo.shtml
The Division of Enforcement investigates possible violations of securities laws, recommends Commission action when appropriate, either in a federal court or before an administrative law judge, and negotiates settlements on behalf of the Commission.
While the SEC has civil enforcement authority only, it works closely with various criminal law enforcement agencies throughout the country to develop and bring criminal cases when the misconduct warrants more severe action... http://www.sec.gov/about/whatwedo.shtml
When to contact the SEC:
When you have knowledge or evidence of:
> Problems with buy or sell orders
> Problems with your broker
> Manipulation of security price or volume
> Breach of financial privacy
> Cold calling
> Boiler room activity, live or on the Internet
> Problems with your investment adviser or financial planner
> Problems with your mutual fund
> Problems with 401(k), pension or retirement
> Problems with IPO allocation or eligibility
> Failure to file required reports with the SEC
> False or misleading statements about a company (including false or misleading SEC reports or financial statements)
> Fraud in the marketing of a securities trading course, program or similar product
How to contact the SEC:
> You can file a complaint with the SEC online at http://www.sec.gov/complaint/selectconduct.shtml
> You can call the FTC at (202) 942-7040 or TTY: (202) 942-7065
> You can write to the FTC at:
SEC Complaint Center
450 Fifth Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20549-0213
Fax: 202-942-9634> If you are located outside the U.S., then you can contact the nearest American Embassy or Consulate and speak with a Legal Attache. Go here for a list of Legal Attaches: http://www.fbi.gov/contact/legat/legat.htm
The Attache will either direct you to the correct office or contact the SEC personally. If you are unsure about contacting a U.S. representative on foreign soil, then you can use any of the methods listed above.
The SEC is open to calls from those living abroad who want to report o U.S.-based criminal activity.
Posted by tigertony on :
LOL I am just amazed there still spinning,don't they get dizzy.I knew i should have sold the rights to this saga.Thanks for talking me down,i guess i am gonna pass on buying it. Hmm i heard patty hearst was pushing this stock go figure.LOLquote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
tony,Yeah, the problem with all the NSS is that so many of them will be running around with their pants down. Now that we have the FBI involved we should be able to get all the facts. Wasn't that the organization that knew about 911 before it happened or at least knew about some of the suicide terrorists? I suppose CMKX public shareholders can really feel secure knowing they are on the job! LOL
Posted by sharkus on :
By: jmcjmc
29 Oct 2004, 03:38 PM EDT
Msg. 642914 of 642916
(This msg. is a reply to 642696 by smslu126.)
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Most interesting post about ucad/cmkx I've seen. The party should be even more interesting, one way or the other.CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. (Pink Sheets: CMKX); U.S. CANADIAN MINERALS, INC. (OTCBB: USCA); JUINA MINING CORP. (Pink Sheets: GEMM) ST. GEORGE METALS, INC. (Pink Sheets: SGGM) and UNITED CARINA RESOURCES CORP. (CDNX: UCA.V).
October 29, 2004
Consider it just one more puzzle, wrapped in a mystery, shrouded in an enigma. The buzz keeps building for a group of little known mining companies - and billions of shares keep changing hands - although the companies in question have yet to produce meaningful revenues, or demonstrate that they are running viable businesses.
This quintet of companies - CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX); U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB: USCA); Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM); St. George Metals, Inc. (Pink Sheets: SGGM) and United Carina Resources Corp. (CDNX: UCA.V) - may someday yield tangible results which so far have proved elusive, but for now investors are relying on encouraging press releases, chatter on Internet Message Boards, predictions and projections from promoters, and little else. Indeed, with the exception of U.S. Canadian Minerals, none of the companies presently files financial reports with the Securities & Exchange Commission. The financial reports filed by U.S. Canadian are hardly encouraging.
So what has been motivating investors to propel these companies toward the top of active trading lists? As we have noted in the past, CMKM Mining frequently trades billions of shares a day - though with minimal price movement. See CMKM Diamonds, Inc. - A Familiar Drill; Update: CMKM Diamonds, Inc. - Swapping Stuff; Update: CMKM Diamonds, Inc. - Sharing Shares; Update: CMKM Diamonds, Inc. - Concentric Circles; and Update: CMKM Diamonds, INC. - Less and More.
This week regulators in Canada and the U.S. stood up and took notice of the unusual trading patterns that had been fueled by relentless hype. On October 26, 2004, the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission issued a Temporary Order halting trading of CMKM stock until November 9th. The Temporary Order also suspended trading in shares of CMKM's affiliate, Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, and put a halt to securities trades by Urban Casavant (CMKM's President), David Desormeau (a one time, and perhaps present, director of CMKM) and Melvin A. O'Neil (CMKM's press contact).
The Temporary Order charges that Casavant, Desormeau and O'Neill made statements that contained misrepresentations in connection with their trades of CMKM stock that were neither properly registered nor exempted from registration. The Temporary Order may be extended beyond November 9th if the Commission does not receive satisfactory answers to its questions.
Meanwhile, south of the border, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission was setting its sights on CMKM's partner, U.S. Canadian Minerals. On October 28, 2004 the SEC suspended trading of U.S. Canadian shares until November 10, 2004, putting an end to months of irrational trading and speculation fueled by rumors, press releases and promotional hype. In announcing the suspension, the SEC cited questions about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning U.S. Canadian's financing and mining activities and claims about the value of the Company's assets.
As we have discovered, those claims, and related representations by some of U.S. Canadian's "partners," including CMKM, have created a frenzy for shares of a group of obscure mining companies that have in common, among other things, a notable failure to produce tangible results and significant revenues.Mining The Markets
It all started with a relentless campaign to promote CMKM.
The surge of interest in CMKM shares has coincided with a barrage of press releases issued by the Company offering an optimistic, although cryptic, view of the Company's prospects. CMKM's CEO and President is Urban Casavant, who has been down this high-flying road before. Mr. Casavant was at the helm of a company called Petro Plus beginning in late 1995. At the time shares of Petro Plus were trading at about 15 cents on what was then the Vancouver Stock Exchange (now subsumed in the TSX Venture Exchange). Soon, in the wake of press releases reporting "visible gold" taken from ore samples, shares rose to more than $1. Share prices soon plummeted once again and Mr. Casavant took his leave from Petro Plus.
While the other members of this group have not achieved similar ten digit volume, the demand for their shares has been steadily increasing. Juina Minerals, which traded 42,900 shares on September 30, 2004, soared to more than 4 million shares on October 5th. Volume has exceeded over one million shares each trading day since, and unlike CMKM, share prices have risen dramatically, from 3 cents on September 29, 2004 to 18 cents on October 18th.
Shares of St. George Metals have followed a similar pattern. On September 1, 2004, 500 shares of St. George Metals stock changed hands at a price of 1 cent a share. Less than two weeks later, on September 9th, almost 2.5 million shares were traded, as stock prices reached a high of 35 cents a share.
And then there is U.S. Canadian Minerals. On September 6, 2004, U.S. Canadian stock closed at a price of $4.15 a share. No trades were reported that day. On October 18, 2004, U.S. Canadian shares were selling for $15.30 (having hit $18.75 a share four days earlier). Approximately 61,000 shares traded on October 18th. Since the beginning of October, U.S. Canadian volume has exceeded 100,000 shares on nine occasions, topping 1 million shares on October 5th. On October 27th, U.S. Canadian shares underwent a 3 for 1 forward split. A day later the SEC halted trading.
Yet, despite this frenzy of trading activity, U.S. Canadian and these other companies have not produced any results that translate into revenues.Conjoining Forces
From all appearances, CMKM and U.S. Canadian Minerals have developed a close working relationship, joining together to explore mining properties, swap shares, and exchange interests in one another's mining claims. Recently, the CEOs of CMKM and U.S. Canadian appeared together on a web cast hosted by an Internet promoter known as the Green Baron, who has been calling CMKM "The Stock Play of a Lifetime."
Earlier this year, CMKM and U.S. Canadian joined forces with United Carina Resources Corp. (CDNX: UCA.V), Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. (CDNX: KPG) to hunt for diamonds in Smeaton, Saskatchewan, Canada. On June 10, 2004, CMKM issued a press release declaring that ore samples recovered from the area had been confirmed as "diamondiferous" by an independent laboratory.
Unfortunately, that press release failed to mention that the diamonds were microscopic - two particles having a combined weight of .000005 carats. Eleven other samples contained no diamonds at all. Investors learned those details when United Carina Resources, under pressure from Canada's TSX Venture Exchange, issued its own press release clarifying the dimensions of the diamond "find."
Unlike CMKM, United Carina Minerals and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold do file public reports, in their cases through Canada's SEDAR system, which is somewhat akin to the SEC's EDGAR filing system. Those reports indicate that United Carina and Consolidated Pine share more than their association with CMKM. The companies both maintain offices at 105-111 Research Drive, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada; share a telephone number; have the same President, Richard Walker, and the same directors and; have failed to produce meaningful revenues. United Carina's revenues for the first six months of 20034 totaled less than $3,000, while Consolidated Pine Channel had no revenues for the first six months of 2004. It would appear that the diamond dust discovered in Saskatchewan added nothing appreciable to those companies' coffers.
Despite the lack of meaningful results from their Smeaton project, CMKM and U.S. Canadian have continued to develop a close working relationship. On July 18, 2004, CMKM issued a press release to announce that U.S. Canadian had agreed to purchase 5% of CMKM's mineral claims in exchange for 7.5 million shares of U.S. Canadian stock. The agreement also gave U.S. Canadian a one year option to acquire an additional 10% of CMKM's mineral claims for $15 million in cash.
It seemed unlikely at the time that U.S. Canadian would exercise its option on the CMKM claims. As of June 30, 2004, U.S. Canadian had $1,321 in cash, no revenues, and cumulative losses of $17.7 million. Where would U.S. Canadian get the money to invest in CMKM, and if it were able to raise capital, wouldn't it be more likely to use them to fund ongoing operations than to invest in CMKM's unproven mining claims?
Apparently not. On July 27, 2004, CMKM announced that it had received $3 million from U.S. Canadian, representing a partial exercise of the option. Why had U.S. Canadian decided to use those valuable funds to take a stake in CMKM's operation? According to its Form 10-Q financial report for the quarter ended June 30, 2004, U.S. Canadian had agreed to sell 600,000 shares of its stock to an unnamed party related to CMKM at $5 a share. The $3,000,000 received by U.S. Canadian from that transaction was then paid to CMKM.
And that, as they say, was the start of a beautiful friendship. On September 28, 2004, U.S. Canadian announced that it had exercised an additional portion of the CMKM option, purchasing an another 1.66% of CMKM's mineral claims for $2.5 million.
How did the Company finance that purchase? The September 28th press release did not say, but on September 8th U.S. Canadian had issued a press release revealing the receipt of "$3,000,000 of funding via a private placement." The Company, which did not indicate how many shares it had issued in exchange for the investment, explained that the funds would "allow the company to move forward on several fronts in the execution of its current plans and future development of the company's financial growth as dictated by the board of directors." It did not say whether that included the additional investment in CMKM.
The CMKM/U.S. Canadian relationship continued to evolve on other fronts as well. An August 6th press release from U.S. Canadian stated that the two companies (teaming up with United Carina Resources and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold, their joint venture partners on the Smeaton project that yielded negligible particles of diamondiferous ore, and a new player, Shane Resources (SEIH.V)) had received permits to drill in the Fort á La Corne, Saskatchewan area.
U.S. Canadian, which files regular public reports as an OTCBB listed company, offered no further details of the venture, or predictions for its success. CMKM, which files no such reports, was considerably less restrained. In an August 5th press release, CMKM's CEO and President Urban Casavant stated that "the Company feels that this target in the Fort á La Corne area has great potential," citing, in support of his optimism, a "Time-Domain Electro Magnetic Survey" of the property. He then alluded to diamond discoveries by other companies in other parts of Canada that had utilized the same type of survey - possibly leading some investors to conclude that the survey itself was indicative of positive results.
A September 13th press release from CMKM stated that drilling had been commenced and samples collected, but no results were reported at the time - or since.More CMKM-ty Promises?
All too often, press releases create the possibility of unfulfilled expectations, opening the possibility of important developments, but failing to provide essential supporting details. The "news" from CMKM and U.S. Canadian suggested potential discoveries but offered no meaningful insight into the likelihood of meaningful revenues. A more recent announcement, suggesting the prospect of a substantial gold discovery, suffers from a similar deficiency.
On October 19, 2004, CMKM issued a press release headlined "THE SUCCESS OF ITS INTEGRATED BUSINESS PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT IN ECUADOR." The prospects sounded promising. Unfortunately, the details that followed were somewhat muddled. CMKM said that it had concluded "the major ownership acquisition of the established American Mine…in Portevelo [Ecuador]." The press release went on to explain that CKMM, together with its operating partner, Minera Nevada SA, a subsidiary of Nevada Minerals, will manage a major corridor of gold production in the region. A spokesman for Minera Nevada claimed that the American Mine is currently yielding an average of 40 tons of gold a day, and that the production was expected to rise to 80 tons a day within six weeks.
According to the press release, the "American Mine," sits within a district which has "recorded historic production of more than 4.5 million ounces of gold and 19 million ounces of silver, as well as significant tonnages of copper, zinc and lead concentrates." It does not indicate how that production, reflected in millions of ounces, relates to the purported "tonnage" produced at the American Mine, or the value of that "tonnage" to each of the participants.
An October 27th press release from CMKM only added to the fog. This time, CMKM claimed that the "first week of gold ore has been mined at the American Mine" and had been shipped to "the Yellow River processing facility for immediate ore extraction." CMKM's President, Urban Casavant, called it an "exciting day for CMKM shareholders," but is that excitement a tad premature? The Company offered no indication that the "gold ore" possessed any significant value.
We have noted the relationship between CMKM and Nevada Minerals in earlier articles. See Update: CMKM Diamonds, Inc. - Concentric Circles. On July 26, 2004, CMKM announced that it had agreed to acquire a 60% interest in 500,000 acres of "potential Kimberlite mineral property in Saskatchewan, Canada" from Nevada Minerals Inc., a private Nevada corporation, in exchange for 75 billion restricted shares of CMKM stock.
And how does U.S. Canadian fit into this picture? On January 20, 2004, U.S. Canadian and Nevada Minerals entered into a joint venture agreement to develop what would appear to be the very same property in Saskatchewan, Canada. As part of that transaction, Nevada Minerals received 5 million shares of U.S. Canadian stock which, together with 4,850 shares of Preferred Stock (which was convertible into 485,000 U.S. Canadian common shares) made it U.S. Canadian's largest shareholder - at least until CMKM came along. In exchange for those shares, U.S. Canadian received rights to a percentage of revenues from the project - but only for a limited time, which expires on January 20, 2005. That could prove to be a bad bet for U.S. Canadian. So far there is no indication that any revenues have been generated from the Saskatchewan claims.
And what is bad for U.S. Canadian also could prove unfortunate for CMKM as well. On July 18, 2004, CMKM revealed that U.S. Canadian had agreed to purchase 5% of CMKM's mineral claims in exchange for 7.5 million shares of U.S. Canadian stock. As a result, CMKM owned approximately 46% of the outstanding U.S. Canadian shares (8.56 million U.S. Canadian common shares had been issued as of June 30, 2004).
All of this would seem to make CMKM, U.S. Canadian and Nevada Minerals more than mere business partners - but how much more?
Which leads us back to CMKM's latest announcement and the prospect of Ecuadorian gold. After reciting the prospective tonnage expected from the operation, the spokesman for Minerva Nevada, stated that "[a]ll will be done to ramp the mining production to complete our obligations to Yellow River and US Canadian Minerals, Inc. for their addition of two additional mills to Yellow River and the new production facility of the Buza coming on line over the next 90 days to build up to 300 tons of gold ore processing per day to satisfy the volume increase of the American Mine build up of production."
If the word "huh" comes to mind take comfort, you are not alone. Despite this string of details it is not clear whether CMKM or US Canadian owns or controls the American Mine, what interest each holds in the American Mine, or what revenues can be expected from "management" of a gold corridor. What does seem clear is this:
Minera Nevada is a subsidiary of Nevada Minerals.Nevada Minerals owns a substantial interest in U.S. Canadian.
CMKM owns approximately 46% of the issued U.S. Canadian shares.
CMKM is a joint venture partner with Nevada Minerals.
Nevada Minerals owns 75 billion shares of CMKM common stock. What percentage of CMKM shares does that represent? Since CMKM does not file public reports, and has not otherwise disclosed its outstanding shares, it is impossible to determine that percentage from the public record. Since CMKM reportedly is authorized to issue up to 800 billion shares of common stock, Nevada Minerals may own as little as roughly 10% of the CMKM shares - or a greater percentage if CMKM has not yet issued all of its authorized stock.
And that is not all.
Juina Dance
The relationship between CMKM and U.S. Canadian is even more complex than these transactions suggest. There is plenty of fodder for more bullet points. Enter Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM). Like CMKM, U.S. Canadian, and Nevada Minerals, Juina has declared itself to be in the mining business - and like those other companies it has yet to uncover marketable ore that seems likely to lead to significant revenues.
How has the relationship between these companies evolved? In April 2004, U.S. Canadian acquired control of Juina. Later that month Juina acquired Yellow River Mining S.A., which operates the Yellow River Gold Mine in Ecuador. At the time of the acquisition, U.S. Canadian said that the Yellow River Gold Mine was "currently a revenue producing concession." Exactly what does that mean? U.S. Canadian's Form 10-Q financial report for the quarter ended June 30, 2004 stated that "to date, a small quantity of gold" has been recovered from black sand removed from the Yellow River Mine.
U.S. Canadian did not generate any revenues in the first six months of 2004 - either from the Yellow River Mine or any other project. Still, efforts to exploit the Yellow River Mine apparently continue - to reiterate the comments from a Minera Nevada spokesman in CMKM's October 18th press release:
[a]ll will be done to ramp the mining production to complete our obligations to Yellow River and US Canadian Minerals, Inc. for their addition of two additional mills to Yellow River.
How does this relate to CMKM? In July 2004, CMKM announced that it would acquire 95,502,027 shares of Juina Mining Corp. representing 25% of Juina's outstanding shares, for $500,000. CMKM had the option to buy another 24% of the Juina shares for an additional $500,000. On October 16, 2004, CMKM revealed that it had exercised its option to purchase the additional Juina Shares (127,336,036 shares) for $500,000.
Will CMKM enjoy potential revenues from the Yellow River Mine by virtue of its ownership interest in Juina? Apparently not. One day before CMKM acquired the first tranche of Juina shares, Juina sold its interest in the Yellow River Mine to U.S. Canadian in exchange for 50,000 shares of U.S. Canadian stock. Where does that leave Juina? According to a spokesperson for the Company, Juina plans to proceed with mining operations in Brazil once it gains necessary governmental approvals.
On the other hand, CMKM could now benefit from the Yellow River Mine as a significant shareholder of U.S. Canadian - assuming of course that the mine yields something of value. The value of that mine remains at issue. U.S. Canadian reported in May 2004 that two of its representatives - neither of them a qualified geologist - visited the mine and returned home with samples of gold that had not yet been tested independently. U.S. Canadian conceded at the time that it lacked the financial wherewithal to support the project and that, even if funds could be raised, the Ecuadorian government and other third parties may object to the venture for reasons that include international environmental considerations. The Company now says that Yellow River Gold received a concession for mining gold from the government of Ecuador on August 24, 2004, although the terms of that concession have yet to be released.
Where does Juina presently fall in the CMKM/U.S. Canadian equation?
U.S. Canadian acquired control of Juina in early 2004.CMKM has now acquired 49% of the outstanding Juina shares. It is not clear whether those shares came directly from Juina, from U.S. Canadian, or elsewhere.
U.S. Canadian has obtained Juina's interest in the Yellow River Mine.
Minera Nevada (in partnership with CMKM) is completing "obligations" to U.S. Canadian and Yellow River Mine.
Juina is planning to mine for gold and/or other minerals in Brazil if and when it gains permission.
And investors are still awaiting a discovery that will generate substantial revenues for any of these companies.
Could They Be Laying a Pysanka?
Add St. George Metals, Inc. to the roster of obscure companies entwined in the CMKM/U.S. Canadian mix. St. George, which trades on the Pink Sheets (Pink Sheets: SGGM) announced in October 2002 that it had "no continuing ongoing business operations." The Company's Form 10-Q report for the period ended October 31, 2002 confessed that it's "financial resources have been substantially exhausted." As of January 31, 2002, the date of the last audited financial statement filed by the Company, St. George had no money.
When it was last heard from - or at least at the time of its last public filing in November 2002 - St. George, a Nevada corporation, maintained its offices in Alexandria, Virginia. The Company, which had abandoned its mining operations and appointed a new set of directors (Joseph Meuse, Gary Meuse and Barry Martelli) who it hoped would "be able to propose a combination of the Company with another business entity that could possibly result in a return of some shareholder value to the shareholders of the Company." Joseph Meuse, an investment consultant and licensed stock broker, was identified as the Company's new Chairman.
St. George now has resurfaced, with a different home - and apparently a different set of characters. The Company is now located in the town of Vegreville, in Alberta, Canada. Vegreville, with a population of 5,376, is best known as the home of the world's largest Pysanka, a Ukrainian Easter Egg.
The Company also has new management. The National Quotation Bureau identifies Mark Giebelhaus as the President of St. George. We have not discovered any public information detailing the transition from the Meuse group to Mr. Giebelhaus, describing Mr. Giebelhaus's professional background, or indicating the identities of any other members of the St. George management team.
St. George ceased filing public reports in November 2002, joining CMKM and Juina as non-reporting public companies whose financial status remains hidden from the public. Somehow, that has not dissuaded investors from purchasing St. George shares - or CMKM from tagging St. George as another business partner.
On September 2, 2004, CMKM announced that St. George had agreed to acquire 5% of CMKM's mineral claims in exchange for $10 million and 200 billion restricted shares of St. George stock. CMKM said that St. George had already paid the first $2.5 million installment and that a second $2.5 million payment was anticipated by October 2nd. Indeed, CMKM announced receipt of the second $2.5 million payment on September 13th, the third $2.5 million payment on September 22nd, and the final $2.5 million payment on September 28th.
CMKM offered no insight into St. George's sudden ability to dole out millions of dollars. As we noted earlier, when last heard from, St. George was in dire financial straits, and there has been no public information that would indicate a dramatic turnaround. Indeed, on October 15, 2004 St. George issued a press release suggesting that it still is struggling to ramp up operations. The announcement certainly would not encourage investors to conclude that St. George is on the brink of success. Instead, it revealed that St. George:
Had retained a mining consultant, but had yet to assign him any work, and could not be certain that any fruitful mining claims would be forthcoming;Is considering exploration in Northern Arizona, but has not entered into any contracts;
Is seeking a new Board of Directors and Board of Advisors but had not yet identified any candidates; and
Was continuing negotiations with CMKM - but gave no indication of how those talks might position the Company.
So where did St. George get $10 million to invest since the Company does not reveal the existence of any operations that would generate those funds? Does that mean St. George raised the money by selling shares, and, if so, to whom? The Company has not issued any information detailing the source of those funds - or explaining why it valued 5% of CMKM's unproven mining claims at $10 million.
Then there is this - which should not be lost in the glow of St. George's $10 million investment. St. George would now appear to be a subsidiary of CMKM. According to the National Quotation Bureau, as of September 6, 2004, 16.9 million shares of St. George common stock had been issued. That same month, CMKM said it would receive 200 billion St. George shares as part of the $10 million deal. That would leave CMKM holding 99.99% of the outstanding St. George shares.
There are other elements that suggest the underpinnings of a close working relationship between the two companies. St. George identifies its investor relations representative as Vickie Curran. As recently reported by Stockwatch, an Internet publication headquartered in Vancouver, Canada, Ms. Curran's father is Victor Casavant, Urban Casavant's brother. According to Stockwatch, Ms. Curran says that Victor Casavant has no role at St. George. As for Urban Casavant - with CMKM holding a controlling interest in St. George, his involvement would appear to be considerable.
St. George may barely exist as an operating entity, but that has not deterred investors in the wake of the CMKM announcements. On September 1, 2004, St. George stock closed at a price of one cent a share, on volume of 500 shares. On September 8th, shares prices hit 75 cents and over 653,000 shares were traded. Volume continued to increase, to 2.4 million shares on September 9th and over 1 million on September 10th. Shares have continued to trade at prices ranging from 23 cents to 50 cents, although by October 21st they had dipped to 28 cents a share. Of course, even that seems high for a Company which seems to be starting over - at best.
Shaking the Money Tree
For the past several months U.S. Canadian has been bubbling with enthusiasm about the imminent appearance of a white knight which would alleviate the Company's financial woes. On August 19, 2004 the Company announced that it had agreed to swap $9,005,355 of U.S. Canadian common stock for shares of a newly-formed London, England-based investment company that had been formed to invest in United States micro cap companies.
According to U.S. Canadian, the investment company planned to apply for its shares to be traded on the London Stock Exchange. The deal provided that the U.S. Canadian shares issued to that investment company would be "locked up," and therefore could not be traded for two years. On the other hand, fifty percent of the investment company shares issued to U.S. Canadian could be forfeited, in whole or in part, if the price of U.S. Canadian shares dropped during the lockup period.
U.S. Canadian was so enthusiastic about the prospects of this transaction that it issued virtually the same press release before the stock market opened for trading the next day. It did not, however, file a Form 8-K with the SEC describing the transaction and making public the underlying documents. U.S. Canadian certainly is familiar with Form 8-K, having filed nine of those forms since May 2004 to report such sundry developments as transactions involving CMKM and the Yellow River Mine and the replacement of the Company's accountants.
On October 5th, U.S. Canadian announced that it would release a timetable for its new funding within a few days. The following day U.S. Canadian identified the financier as Langley Park Investment Trust Plc and said that Langley shares would begin trading on the London Stock Exchange on October 7th. Then, on October 8th, the Company declared that Langley shares had begun to trade, thereby triggering the time schedule for funding U.S. Canadian.
What was that time schedule? The Company did not say, and still has not filed a Form 8-K reflecting its terms.
U.S. Canadian is not the only U.S.-based company to have announced a stock swap arrangement with Langley Park. At least four other U.S. over-the-counter companies have disclosed similar transactions: Direct View, Inc. (OTCBB: DRVW); Consolidated Energy & Technology Group, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CGGE); Galaxy Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB: GAXY); iMedia International, Inc. (Pink Sheets: IMNL); IVI Communications, Inc. (Pink Sheets: IVCM); and Material Technologies, Inc. (OTCBB:MTNA).
Galaxy Minerals has filed a Form 8-K with the SEC, including a copy of its agreement with Langley. While there can be no certainty that the terms of that agreement are identical to those between U.S. Canadian and Langley, the Galaxy transaction does offer some food for thought. The Galaxy shares were sold to Langley pursuant to Regulation S, which permits the sale of unregistered shares to non-U.S. citizens. Regulation S shares may not be sold back into the U.S. market for one year, but, under ordinary circumstances they can be sold immediately outside of the U.S. In this case Galaxy, like U.S. Canadian, has entered into a two year lockup agreement with Langley. Galaxy may, however, consent to release its shares from that lockup at any time.
If the U.S. Canadian shares were issued to Langley under Regulation S - as seems likely - and if U.S. Canadian has the right to release the lockup before the end of two years, those shares also could find their way into the marketplace in far less than two years.
Meanwhile, Langley is predicating its net asset value on the current market prices of its "portfolio" companies - which could prove dicey considering the untested nature, and uncertain financial future, of many over-the-counter companies.
Meanwhile, Langley's U.S. Canadian holdings now have multiplied threefold. On October 27th, U.S. Canadian completed a three for one forward split of its common shares.
U.S. Canadian stock prices have been soaring in recent weeks even though the Company has not reported any revenues in 2004 and had merely $1,321 in the bank as of June 30, 2004. Have investors bought into the promise of the as yet unproven U.S. Canadian/CMKM alliance? Or is the prospect of Langley stock driving U.S. Canadian's share price? The reason for the surge may be elusive, but U.S. Canadian shares, which were selling for $4.70 on September 30, 2004 (on volume of less than 9,000 shares) reached a price of $18.75 a share on October 12th, as over 660,000 shares changed hands.
U.S. Canadian's rising stock price created a market capitalization for the Company that is out of proportion to its financial condition and hardly justified by its uncertain prospects. On October 12, 2004, when the share price hit $18.75, at least 16 million shares of U.S. Canadian stock were outstanding - the 8.5 million shares issued as of June 30th and the $7.5 million shares given to CMKM in July. That does not include the shares issued to Langley, which may or may not have been distributed at the time. Based solely on those 16 million shares, with the stock priced at $18.75, U.S. Canadian had a market value of approximately $300 million.
And $1,321 in cash - at least according to the most recent public filing.Uranium or Mine?
CMKM recently extended one of its partnerships, this time with United Carina Resources, one of its joint venture partners in the quest for diamonds in Saskatchewan which, thus far, appears to have uncovered two diamond particles weighing an aggregate of .000005 carats.
On October 8, 2004, CMKM announced that it had entered into an agreement with United Carina under which it could earn a 50% interest in "recently acquired uranium properties" in Saskatchewan in exchange for payments totaling $1.45 million.
The October 8th press release maintains that "a substantial amount of exploration has been carried out on these properties in the past" and notes that the targeted area is within 30 kilometers of known uranium deposits - but 30 kilometers, otherwise known as 18.6 miles, sounds like a considerable distance. CMKM goes on to describe the nature of mineral deposits in the area, a reference that offers no indication that valuable, revenue producing uranium has been discovered on the property under exploration by United Carina.
The uranium announcement, like many of the other press releases issued by this group of companies, is long on promise and short on substance. And while investors have had access to financial details about several of these entities - namely U.S. Canadian, United Carina, and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold - information about CMKM, Juina and St. George ranges from scarce to non-existent.
That may change if, as promised, CMKM resumes filing public reports. That, at least, is the buzz from the Company and its proponents on Internet Message Boards. CMKM's press releases have repeatedly referred to the Company's retention of an experienced securities attorney, Roger Glenn, and fans of the Company have convinced themselves, and one another, of the significance of Mr. Glenn's role as a prelude to becoming a reporting company. Indeed, a CMKM press release issued on September 24, 2004, quoted Mr. Glenn as saying that "[t]he company's accountants are working to complete the audit of the company's financial statements. When that has been accomplished, the company will be well on its way to becoming a reporting company again."
Neither Mr. Glenn nor CMKM has identified those accountants, but they could face a daunting task when you consider the number of other public companies in which CMKM now seems to hold a controlling interest - U.S. Canadian; Juina; St George. Does CMKM intend to consolidate its financial statements with one or more of those companies. That could pose a problem since Juina and St. George are public companies that do not file audited reports.
On the other hand, if CMKM's revenues rival those of its joint venture partners, the calculations could be simple.X Factors
The television program "X Files" developed a following of devoted fans who tuned in each week (and paid their way into the movies) hoping, sometimes expecting, to find answers to the lingering questions that formed the show's fabric. Followers of CMKM - which trades on the Pink Sheets as CMKX - have set out on a similar journey - occasionally positing their own answers to questions, despite the paucity of information emanating directly from the Company.
The CMKM bandwagon has been ably assisted by a group of promoters and proponents who spread the word through e-mails, reports, and a litany of mind-numbing messages posted on Internet Message Boards like Raging Bull. An Internet tout named Harold (Hal) Engel, who calls himself Willie Wizard, has been one of the Company's most prolific supporters, sending out dozens of e-mails regurgitating CMKM press releases and recommending the stock. Engel recently invited his readers to attend a "Shareholders' Appreciation Party" in Las Vegas later this month honoring CMKM and U.S. Canadian.
Earlier this year the SEC charged Engel with violating federal securities laws by selling unregistered shares of Energy & Engine Technology Corp. that he had received for his promotional services. At the time, the SEC found that
Engel fails to provide any assurances against future violations. Further, Engel is in the practice of entering into arrangements with issuers that are similar to the one he entered into with Energy & Engine. Engel states that from 'time to time [he] is approached and asked to assist in building a corporate image by allowing the company to advertise on his website.'…Engel's submissions also indicate that it is not atypical for him to receive payment in securities from these companies.
Since Engel seemed determined to continue his promotional activities, and would therefore have ample opportunity to violate the securities laws again in the future, in May 2004 an Administrative Law Judge ordered him to cease and desist from future violations.
By June 2004 Engel was hyping CMKM - and admitting that he had purchased 725 million shares of the Company's common stock.
He was not alone. That same month a promoter operating a website and newsletter hype service called Explosive Stock Picks. Com, or ESP, began beating the drum for CMKM. Explosive Stock Picks said it owned 5.7 million shares of CMKM common stock, which had been purchased in the open market.
The CMKM boosters soon were joined by The Green Baron Report, published by Evergreen Marketing, which repeatedly has called CMKM "The Stock Play of a Lifetime." The Green Baron is a vocal proponent of CMKM, but its website does not indicate whether this particular fan of the Company holds any CMKM shares.
These CMKM proponents have been ably assisted by a flock of true-believers who spend hours pumping the Company's prospects in online forums available on Raging Bull, PalTalk, Investor Hub, and elsewhere on the Internet. But the biggest X Factor driving the CMKM promotion may be one provided by the Company itself - the "CMKXtreme" "funny car," which travels the drag car circuit. CMKM fans apparently gather at these events, soaking up the CMKM vibes and hoping to sniff out tangible information about the Company's mining activities.
So far, however, they seem to be inhaling the same exhaust fumes as the rest of the public.
No doubt, some of the CMKM/U.S. Canadian boosters will dismiss the recent trading halts as a regulatory conspiracy, plot by short sellers, or mere blip on the upward trajectory of the two companies and their venture partners.
On the other hand, some things are even funnier than a funny car.------------------
78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by safeguard on :
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Originally posted by sharkus:
yadda yadda yaddaWow sharkus, that's the post to end all posts...
Looks like the ships are sinking...too many holes in the hulls of the boats[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited October 29, 2004).]
Posted by RobinO on :
Of course a bunch of people pointed out the fact that this was a scam months ago... Oh wait, we're just bashers.-R
Posted by tradingpennys on :
LOL Gotta love this forum!!
Posted by Upside on :
Or hate it depending on your point of view.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by RobinO:
Of course a bunch of people pointed out the fact that this was a scam months ago... Oh wait, we're just bashers.-R
Robin,
Who would have been foolish enough to suggest that CMKX might be a SCAM that far back?
**************************By the way, didn't Glenn say CMKX would be fully reporting by the end of Oct.?
Posted by tigertony on :
That is gonna be one helluva party now.Wait till a couple of people that put up 40 or 50k get drunk be the CMKX massacre(god forbid).Hope they got lots of security.
Posted by tigertony on :
Sorry upside,hope something works out for the shareholders.quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Or hate it depending on your point of view.
Posted by Binky on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tigertony:[B] LOL I am just amazed there still spinning,don't they get dizzy.I knew i should have sold the rights to this saga.
======================================TT, you should develop a board game based on the twists and turns of this stock play.you could call it the Casavant Manoeuver and it would probably outsell Monopoly. LOL
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
this is going to make the term going postal seem kinda mild lol
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Originally posted by tigertony:
Sorry upside,hope something works out for the shareholders.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Has anybody ever seen anything quite like this before?
I know I haven't.All this blows me away.
Who will put out the next P.R.?CMKX or USCA?
One thing I still hang my hat on, gold is a bull market right now.Gold has hit a ten year high. I can't see when would have been a better time for CMKX to get into the gold market to generate some income for diamond locations.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
This would be a great epic.... LOL
1 thing about money... you can't take it with you when you die. Although it is kinda nice to have while your here. And not swindled from you!!!! I feel bad that I told my mom who is in her late 70's about this stinker of a stock. She had me invest several thousand dollars of which she had to "live on". That really sucks. I'm glad I'm not going to Vegas. I would probly go postal the ups way! lol
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by highwaychild:
quote:
Has anybody ever seen anything quite like this before?
I know I haven't.All this blows me away.highway,
I'll guarantee you that no one has ever seen anything like this before. Even in the penny stock land of scams, this is unprecedented. There has never been a stock with this kind of an o/s, anywhere near it for that matter, and yet they're this brazen with their activities. If nothing else, when we're all old and gray and CMKX is the stuff of legend, we can tell our Grandkids, "yep, I was involved with that stock".
Posted by sharkus on :
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Originally posted by RobinO:
Of course a bunch of people pointed out the fact that this was a scam months ago... Oh wait, we're just bashers.-R
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78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by RaiderJR on :
I believe this started when it was discovered or pointed out that the claims for Carolyn pipe were lapsed.
I believe this was turned into authorities as a scam.
Upon furthur DD it is being discovered that crown land was turned over to Saskatchewan and of this land 1/5 was made private.It seems the Carolyn land is owned privately and therefore not subject to these filings.
CMKX it now appears is a real company and will survive this and may even be stronger.This is what is being reported.
It also seems this may have been started by enemies of CMKX who people are now investigating. It may lead to a counter suit for defamation and slander.
Posted by tic_toc on :
...and they all lived happily forever after.THE END.
Posted by Bam Bam 17 on :
By: georgeburns90210 a very good post.
http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=110104May God Bless All.
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Bam Bam 17
Member posted October 30, 2004 09:55
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By: georgeburns90210 a very good post. http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=110104
May God Bless All.
==========================================sorry bam bam but the guy that thought this up is probably in a padded room. first cmkx raises o/s to sell to raise capitol ok i buy that but having someone then buy these and retire them ends the whole thing. buying & then reselling just spins the same shares & does nothing for the float and if they got $10 million for sggm why the need for capitol. if they wanted to reduce the float they would have just used the $10 million to buy up shares a little at a time nothing else. buying & selling the same shares does nothing to the pps or the float. face it the game may be up. i had an idea this was a new kind of pryamid scheme and it sure looks like it is just that. when all said & done odds are sggm will be gone after making a nice profit from shares sold. cmkx, gone. ucad might still be around because it was reporting & probable does have assets. gemm might still be there but the game is over. when the reports from vegas come in bet none of the main players show up at least those from cmkx
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Posted by RaiderJR on :
They have already shown up.
Posted by right42day on :
Are any of the posters in Vegas? Do we know if any CMKX heads are there? Please fll us in.GLTA
Posted by Binky on :
Story from Prince Albert,Sask. paperFriday, October 29, 2004
Firms slapped with cease-trade order
Barry Glass/Daily Herald
Saskatchewan’s Financial Services Commission slapped a temporary cease-trade order on two companies and some people involved in diamond exploration in the Fort a la Corne area.
The order covers CMKM Diamonds Inc., its predecessor Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Urban Armand Joseph Casavant, David DeSormeau and Melvin A. O’Neil. The men are officers, directors and promoters of the companies.Vic Pankratz, deputy director of enforcement for the commission, said the order was issued because the parties were selling securities in Saskatchewan without being registered to do so, trading securities without filing a prospectus and making misrepresentations about securities.
CMKM’s shares trade on what’s known as over-the-counter market pink sheets in the United States. CMKM is based in Las Vegas, Nev.
The cease-trade order only has authority over activity in Saskatchewan, said Pankratz.
The commission will review its decision based on information it receives from the company on or before Nov. 9.
“Right now the ball is in the company’s court,” said Pankratz.
Company officials were not available for comment.
The company has been the subject of speculation by people near and far.
Brandon Polk, a certified public accountant in Abilene, Texas, said a client of his told him about the CMKM stock several months ago.
Once Polk started investigating, he realized it was a very unusual company.
“There’s no way in the world I would recommend this to someone,” Polk told the Daily Herald.
Even so, he plunked down $200 US and, because of the extremely low share price, owns two million shares.
He based his decision on company press releases, in which the company said it has claims on a huge amount of property in the Fort a la Corne area, an area where companies such as De Beers have spent millions exploring for diamonds.
In its cease-trade order, the Saskatchewan commission expressed concerns over news releases the company has issued.
Polk said his money wasn’t so much an investment as a gamble that he was willing to take for fun.
“It’s like watching that last wheel on a slot machine roll around,” he said, adding he probably will never see his money again.
Potential and a cheap price are what has drawn so many people to the stock, said Polk, but expectations have been blown out of proportion to the point some investors might expect to make millions.
“People are extrapolating way outside the realm of possibility,” said Polk.
Besides a lack of good information about CMKM’s activities, Polk said he is unable to determine how many shares of the company have been issued.
Shares recently traded for $0.0002 and volume on Tuesday appears to have been 6.3 billion shares, said Polk.
But he said no one knows how many shares are really traded because the software used wasn’t designed to count that high. But as many as 800 billion shares might be outstanding for CMKM.
“It’s the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen,” said Polk.
For comparison, the New York Stock Exchange website says General Motors has only about half-a-billion shares outstanding and slightly more than five million were traded on Thursday.
The Securities and Exchange Commission regulates stock exchanges in the United States.
SEC has not made any announcements regarding CMKM. However, on Thursday, it did announce the temporary suspension of over-the-counter trading of Las Vegas-based U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. securities.
U.S. Canadian Minerals has been referred to by CMKM as a joint venture partner, and CMKM has made announcements of issuing the other company’s stock as dividends to its own shareholders.
The SEC said it suspended trading in U.S. Canadian Minerals because of questions raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning, among other things, U.S. Canadian Minerals’ financing and mining activities and the value of U.S. Canadian Minerals’ purported assets.
Both the SEC and the Saskatchewan commission caution that anyone interested in making investments should seek advice from an accountant, lawyer or other knowledgeable professional.
Polk said the funniest thing about the situation is that CMKM and U.S. Canadian Minerals planned a big shareholder appreciation party for this weekend in Las Vegas.
“I was hoping we’d find out some information regarding mining sample results, reporting status and other valuable information,” he said.
“Now everyone will be talking about the cease-trade orders.”
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Another rumour, they have discovered Germanium.
Well it depends how much Germanium was found (if it was).
This stuff is very expensive. It sells for $3.00 U.S. a gram.
Which means $3000 per kilogram
$1363 per pound
Posted by CHIMAN34 on :
I hope we hear something tonight, or at least tomorrow. I wonder if someones gonna kick some butt tonight if these guys don't have anything possitive. Things are too weird now with everything that's going on.
Posted by TradingWizard on :
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“There’s no way in the world I would recommend this to someone,” Polk told the Daily Herald.Even so, he plunked down $200 US and, because of the extremely low share price, owns two million shares.
....lol even he would not missed the opportunity of a life time...one thing believing and buying, but not believing and buying its called ???? or saying 'just in case'
Posted by RaiderJR on :
If it comes out we are legit and the Canadian govt clears us, what would that do for investor confidence?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Upside wrote...
highway,
I'll guarantee you that no one has ever seen anything like this before. Even in the penny stock land of scams, this is unprecedented. There has never been a stock with this kind of an o/s, anywhere near it for that matter, and yet they're this brazen with their activities. If nothing else, when we're all old and gray and CMKX is the stuff of legend, we can tell our Grandkids, "yep, I was involved with that stock".
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LOL,this stock is going to MAKE me old and gray. highwaychild
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Here is a little bit I found in a quick search on naked short trading.Finding this much info in such a short amount of time tells me how big this problem is. http://www.investorcomm.com/short.htm
I have said here before I think that this was going to end good, bad, or ugly.I got in CMKX @ .0001 with money I could afford to lose, and sold some to reduce risk even farther.So to me, because of the 'halt' I hope there IS an incidental/accidental investigation into all of it.I have time.
This stock blows me away.
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The following is a list of public information articles and reports detailing the brokerage houses, marketmakers and the conduct of the main "street" characters engaged in the illegal practice of "naked short selling", "death-spiral financing" and/or stock fraud. This page is a resource for anyone wishing to educate themselves regarding the depth and breath of these illegal activities. http://www.rgm.com/shortselling.html
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"these manipulations can occur only in a lax enforcement environment. The record shows that the SEC has not disciplined a single broker-dealer, a single investment firm, a single staff or official of the NSCC or DTCC in connection with the massive illegal activities which the Commission acknowledges have occurred." http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/rshapiro122403.htm
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Shapiro said the SEC is correct to broaden the terms of regulation of short sales, and applauded the section directing broker dealers to mark all equity orders as "long," "short" or "short exempt." More important, he said, the new "locate and delivery" requirements could substantially reduce stock manipulation carried out through naked short sales -- but only if those requirements are widely applied and strictly enforced. http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=23435497&brk=1
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"But some investors and public issuers are complaining that naked short selling in Canada can be used to manipulate the stock of U.S. companies. Canadian regulators are considering whether to adopt some form of affirmative determination rule that would link the ability to short a stock to that of borrowing it." http://www.rgm.com/articles/nakedreview.html
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"In a customary class action lawsuit under the federal securities laws, an investor proves his membership in the class and claims his damages by submitting to plaintiffs’ counsel copies of the confirmation slips he received from his broker showing that he purchased the stock at a particular time for a particular price. But, as pointed out before, in a short sale, there are two different people who will hold confirmation slips evidencing the purchase of the same share. Both holders of real shares and holders of artificial shares will have in their possession evidence showing that they have purchased the stock and, further, the transfer agent’s records (from which the list of class members ultimately is compiled) will show that both people were members of the plaintiff class."http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/ajames121103.htm
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Posted by RaiderJR on :
I think we are onto something at CMKX net
It seems the AS after 50 billion was never registered for public trading.
Remember the shares given to Nevada Minerals were rule 144 stock and never registered. That is what rule 144 pertains to.
That means the extra 300 billion could not be sold to the public and those claiming they were dumped are incorrect.
We cannot find any indication that any stock past the 50 billion point was registered.If so, do you realize the implications. Low public OS.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Was that party supposed to be today (30th) or the 31st? Had no interest prior to the most recent SEC and Canadian releases. Now, I would really like to be there!! They must be stuttering and spinning all over the place. It must really be a toot!!!Betcha Glenn opens his mouth first...if he even dares to show his face. Know what he's going to say? "My clients did nothing wrong". "There has been an unfortunate misunderstanding, and we are looking into the facts." When our investigation is completed, I am convinced that the individuals named will be cleared of any and all wrongdoing."
Posted by WinsumLosesum on :
quote:
Originally posted by Bigrod40:
Another rumour, they have discovered Germanium.
Well it depends how much Germanium was found (if it was).
This stuff is very expensive. It sells for $3.00 U.S. a gram.
Which means $3000 per kilogram
$1363 per poundUnfortunately, that rumor was started as a result of a typo. The real story is that they discovered GERANIUMS on the property, and have decided to cultivate them and sell them on street corners throughout North America and Canada for Mother's Day and Easter weekends. This will definitely add revenue. This is probably the big news that will be revealed at the party.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Great site to trade CMKX and UCAD stocks:
http://www.stockandbondauction.com/CHECK IT OUT!!! They have a section specializing in mining stocks under "Auctions".
Posted by bckibler on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by highwaychild:
highway,
I'll guarantee you that no one has ever seen anything like this before. Even in the penny stock land of scams, this is unprecedented. There has never been a stock with this kind of an o/s, anywhere near it for that matter, and yet they're this brazen with their activities. If nothing else, when we're all old and gray and CMKX is the stuff of legend, we can tell our Grandkids, "yep, I was involved with that stock".I didn't realize the O/S had ever been announced in a PR yet. Or are you just clairvoyant? Some people just can't see a great opportunity when it's sitting right in front of them. Scam? I think not. Opportunity? I think so!
Posted by tigertony on :
No it has'nt been released but you don't have to be clairvoyant to figure the a/s.Just take your head out of the sand.The a/s was proven buy the amount of the dividend that was given.Add it up.The o/s doesnt seem to matter much with 790 billion shares.[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited October 30, 2004).]
Posted by osubucks30 on :
The whole thing is a scam!CMKM(CMKX) gave U.S. Canadian a one year option to acquire an additional 10% of CMKM's mineral claims for $15 million in cash. On July 27, 2004, CMKM announced that it had received $3 million from U.S. Canadian, representing a partial exercise of the option.
On the surface it seemed unlikely that U.S. Canadian would be able to come up with the necessary funds. Unlike CMKM and St. George, U.S. Canadian does file periodic reports with the SEC - the price it must pay to preserve its listing on the OTC Bulletin Board. Those reports suggest that U.S. Canadian faces considerable financial challenges. As of March 31, 2004, U.S. Canadian had $408 in cash, no current revenues, and concerns about its ability to continue as a going concern.
Matters hardly improved in the third quarter of 2004. As of June 30, 2004, U.S. Canadian had $1,321 in cash, no revenues, and cumulative losses of $17.7 million. So where did U.S. Canadian get $3 million - and why would it invest those precious funds in CMKM?
The answer can be found in U.S. Canadian's Form 10-Q financial report for the quarter ended June 30, 2004. According to the Form 10-Q, U. S. Canadian agreed to sell 600,000 shares of its stock to an unnamed party related to CMKM at $5 a share. The $3,000,000 received by U.S. Canadian from that transaction was then paid to CMKM.
In other words, an individual related to CMKM funded U.S. Canadian's investment in CMKM - just one more swap in this series of intriguing transactions
Posted by tigertony on :
None of those company's had any money.sggm had'nt been doing business and had no cash.But for all of you that can't see anything wrong with all this do yourself a favor and buy more.
Posted by osubucks30 on :
I just wonder who would still buy any of them at this point! I could see maybe trying to short term play some of these but if you are buying and holding then just take your money and flush it down the toilet! Just my opinion!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Cannot do anything with CMKX, but it might be worthwhile to short a few like UCAD, SGGM and GEMM.Monday should be a more telling tale as to where the above stocks are headed.
I will not be surprised if the SEC also takes action against Casavant, DeSormeau and Melvin...that would make sense in view of what was done in Canada. They have probably already been getting loads of complaints re CMKX and stooges.
Any news from the party?
Any answer as to Glenn's statement (I think)that they will be fully reporting by the end of Oct.?
Posted by tigertony on :
Wallace,I heard every one that showed up got a free cubic zirconia,told everyone to do like they have been and just pretend there diamonds.LOL We need them to broadcast this via webcam,after whats happened i would pay to see it live.Call it Party or Funeral we Provide you Decide 2004[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited October 30, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Tony,LOL I too would like a live broadcast. Think there might be just a few angry shareholders at that party? Was it today?
Guess anyone who attended is now out in the casinos trying to recoup from the "one" arm bandits!
Posted by tigertony on :
Wallace,from what i understood it's going on right now.I'm like you wish i could see it after all this.Then again maybe the cult will just believe what there leader says and not question it.Rattle Rattle Rattle LMAO
Posted by GHOST on :
Osubucks30:
I can tell you one person picking up
more monday. You guys can say what
you want, Its not going to change the way the chips are going to fall."osubucks30
Member posted October 30, 2004 22:07 I just wonder who would still buy any of them at this point! I could see maybe trying to short term play some of these but if you are buying and holding then just take your money and flush it down the toilet! Just my opinion!"
Posted by tigertony on :
Ghost,we have chatted before.I hope you make money as well as all the shareholders.From a dd standpoint,Am i missing something or do you just have a feeling about this stock.I am truly just trying to find out what it is about this stock that you would buy more.Ghost good luck and hope you make money.
Posted by Binky on :
Live from the Vegas Party..replace ** with arhttp://cmkxdiamond.probo**ds32.com/index.cgi?action=usersrecentposts&user=satboss
Posted by Highwaychild on :
here's a pic of CMKXs' Kia I found somewhere.LOL
http://img61.exs.cx/img61/3917/kia1.jpg
Posted by GHOST on :
Binky & tigertony
Thanks, I didn't notice those.
I got other posts marked so I can just go to those spots for updates.Tigertony, good to see ya
Don't buy just because I am. Supposedly press release Monday morning before trading opens if they say any thing at party I will try verify before ordering. You never know what Monday is going to bring. I could talk till I'm blue in the face and would sound like the opposite of most of the ones at this board. The chips will fall where they will, I should go get you the post. I think I will.
Posted by GHOST on :
First of all, I just remembered they
cross out the links usually.
I don't mean to promote another board, but
I do feel this is worth readng.
With that said, I hope they leave the links for you to check out! Either that or will give the gang here more to talk about. http://forums.christiantraders.com/view...hp?tid=118 http://www.cmkx.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3632 http://cmkxdiamond.pro boards32.com/inde...29&start=0If it gets cut just put http:// in front of following. or take space between pro and board and put together.
forums.christiantraders.com/view...hp?tid=118 [URL=http://forums.christiantraders.com/view...hp?tid=118]http://forums.christiantraders.com/view...hp?tid=118 http://www.cmkx.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3632 http://cmkxdiamond.pro boards32.com/inde...29&start=0 http://cmkxdiamond.********s32.com
Thes two should work you will just have to take a little time and look the board over this way. http://forums.christiantraders.com/ http://www.cmkx.net/forum/index.php[This message has been edited by GHOST (edited October 31, 2004).]
Posted by tigertony on :
Ghost,thanks for taking the time.I will check out the threads.Good Luck hope you make some money.
Posted by GHOST on :
tigertony:
I've lost more on bad timing great stocks
and surprise R/S this summer
then I can lose playing with cmkx
Posted by tigertony on :
Well personally i don't see it.But i do hope it works out for you.I could'nt get that link to work.Good Luck hope you find a runner soon.quote:
Originally posted by GHOST:
tigertony:
I've lost more on bad timing great stocks
and surprise R/S this summer
then I can lose playing with cmkx
Posted by tigertony on :
Wallace this is for you.LIVE FROM VEGASRe: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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shareholder from canada grabbed the mic wants info. crowd out of control security took mic
Posted by Binky on :
Last message from partyshareholder from canada grabbed the mic wants info. crowd out of control security took mic LOL
Good job TT I'm to slow on keys ....
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Posted by tigertony on :
Here we go.its like a springer show.Re: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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Quote from another board.. more detail than audrey's description:"Lady from canada got on stage made band stop and is requesting info and is cussing out UC, security is taking her off stage, she is screaming at UC demanding info, is now being escorted off stage."
This is embarassing for us as shareholders, that these people are acting like this and representing shareholders this way. This and what that idiot with the helium did.
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Posted by Binky on :
Sounds like this party is starting to rock.......GO ELVIS
Posted by GHOST on :
These should work now, On first on listed put pro and board together.
It will just take more time, you will have to check out whole site. I'm going to bed, I've been a wake since 3AM Yesterday now! Take care! http://cmkxdiamond.pro boards32.com/ http://forums.christiantraders.com/ http://www.cmkx.net/forum/index.php
Posted by tigertony on :
New this was gonna be a hot time.Re: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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the band is playing not sure what is going to happen..balloons intake...crowd continues to thin not sure what to think?Oh My God casavants been hit he's down.Sorry made the last line up could'nt help myself.LOL
Posted by tigertony on :
PalTalk says UC now talking with the woman who was out of control on stage.Also, USCA halt may have put a damper on what could take place at the party and remember USCA PR said something about exciting news coming shortly (but that was before the halt).
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Posted by tigertony on :
WALLACE THIS IS ESPECIALLY FOR YOU.HOPE YOU LIKE IT.LOLRe: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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Police officer reporting that Urban went out back with the woman. calmed her and told her the party isn't over, that he will still speak.
http://forums.christiantraders.com/viewthread.php?tid=118&page=4
Posted by GHOST on :
I BET YA Wallace made it to the PARTY?
I couldn't go to bed after I heard
about the lady, had to go read it.
Posted by tigertony on :
Maybe some good news for shareholders fair and balanced reporting.Re: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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Rumor has it...PRs are ready to go after midnight vegas time
Posted by GHOST on :
tigertony:
Thanks, now I don't want to go to sleep and
I really need to!!!
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is the woman still there!? get her out of there.
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cant see anyone ready to speak 200 people still here
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Batton down the hatches.Bar the doors yee hawRe: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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Just heard about 60 irate people were pulled aside into another room. Trying to calm them down. They were told PR would be out after midnight and UC was going to speak
Posted by tigertony on :
DRUM ROLL THE MOMENT SHAREHOLDERS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR HOPE ITS GOOD NEWSRe: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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Paltalknews. that is awesome!!!! PR and UC WILL speak!!!
Posted by tigertony on :
I won't add anything.Good Luck
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I heard no one will speak...I am logging off goodnight and sorry we came up wo news...
Thanks for your support
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on Today at 01:14am, garyware66 wrote:11:22 right now
thank you! Hope the pr rumor after midnight is true. Here's to faith!!
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on Today at 01:15am, PaltalkNews wrote:Just heard about 60 irate people were pulled aside into another room. Trying to calm them down. They were told PR would be out after midnight and UC was going to speak.
He'd better say something or he's going to lose a bunch of shareholders on Monday. A meet and greet doesn't cut it for an event like this. Even if they have to say they're gagged pending lift of halt on USCA. He cannot let the evening end without addressing the crowd.If he does, I will have to assume the irate woman was a plant, serving as an excuse to end early.
I'm sorry. But I'm on the verge of really torqued off here. Urban, change my mind!
Posted by tigertony on :
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Ed Dhonau in cigar room is saying they couldn't say what they wanted to because of the halt.
Apparently no speakers after all. Looks like it's finisehd.
Posted by GHOST on :
tigertony:
Thanks!!!
I hope they release it after
midnigth their time.
Good night I'm really tired
Posted by tigertony on :
Differrent view about same episode.
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How could you have all those people come from all over the country and not even say,, "Hello, thanks, goodnight, and have a safe trip home? That is so sketchy to me!Etiquette 101 here people...
Posted by tigertony on :
Security now reporting:UC was in the room talking to lady, while outside around 60 people were getting upset and security rounded them up and put them in another room and a shareholder or someone inside said lets call the sec that will get some answers and someone said that wont do anything.This sounds worse than what it really is, most of the people in the ballroom do not know this is happening outside.
Now Ed is being heard saying because of the SEC stoppish we cant say what we wanted to until our 8hr meeting on tuesday with the SEC.
Posted by GHOST on :
May be I'm going
to go with the stock I was originally going
with. I don't like the part that people
went that far and they didn't address the
share holders.
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SEC has gag order in affect and did not want UC and usca to even have the party. Sound like the sec stepped in and said NO, imo
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dr. d did not talk to anyone from UCAD and he did not say PR wed saying what is going on with the SEC, he denied it in his paltalk room right now...
Posted by GHOST on :
That was the original one I heard earlier."Now Ed is being heard saying because of the SEC stoppish we cant say what we wanted to until our 8hr meeting on tuesday with the SEC."
Posted by GHOST on :
Good Night!
I take that back about what
I'm playing Monday!
I'm going back to accumulating this other
stock. Take it easy.
Posted by tigertony on :
Well ghost thats all this reporter has.But i think they just lost alot of shareholders,and made some enemy's.I said it was gonna be the cmkx massacre after all this crap they pulled.There lucky it was'nt worse after they would'nt talk or even say it was over thank you anything.
Posted by tigertony on :
Sorry got engrossed in the fireworks.Well what was your take on this whole fiasco.quote:
Originally posted by Binky:
Sounds like this party is starting to rock.......GO ELVIS
Posted by tigertony on :
People starting to turn on there beloved hero's.No longer hypnotized,trouble in diamond city.IMHO and stockholders opinions.
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Re: Audrey's LIVE thread: to/from Audrey, NO FLUFF
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What is there to believe in at the moment. We have been told nothing. We have been left hanging. And our stock at the moment is basicaly worthless. If this is the way they show appreciation, I would rather be dispised.
on Today at 01:48am, hexges wrote:believe in the stock people.............. don't let this affect everything already built on
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on Today at 01:48am, hexges wrote:believe in the stock people.............. don't let this affect everything already built on
How about giving us the results of the Carolyn pipe that were promised back in May
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on Today at 01:58am, RickJames wrote:How about giving us the results of the Carolyn pipe that were promised back in May
Check the June 17th PR.
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If you don't hear it in an official Press Release then please disregard it!6-30-2004, 4 months later and we still don't know much more regarding the OS.
http://www.yazzi.com/cmkx/melvin10.htm
Posted by tigertony on :
Good News CMKX car races tommorrow WOO HOOO YEAH.LOL
Posted by tigertony on :
The Final piece on what happened
How stupid are they of course this was gonna happen.you lose a bunch of money of course you want answers.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lady was only 2 tables away she said from her husband and her and they were showing slides and some of them included the shareholder Ty who passed away recently and there were some more slides and then there was a lull and silence supposedly and this lady yells BULLSH-T and she walks up on stage takes the mic away and starts yelling I need some F'ing answers this is bullsh-t I didn'r come down here from Canada for f'ing nothing! Everyone in the place all 3500 people started yelling and say hell yeah and agreeing with her they escorted her off and UC went to talk to her outside the ballroom and the place just started emptying out like quickly she said it was amazing within 5 minutes maybe 200 people if lucky were still left..it was 11:36 when she called me literally 95% of the place walked out pissed off. The band was packing up they were supposed to play until late but the mood turned so bad so fast that even the bad was packing up and getting heck out of there a few minutes ago. Gina and her husband witnessed a crowd of people starting to surround Ed Dhonau and it was looking like he was going to get his ass kicked (that is what she said) and there were tons of security there at this event Gina said all dressed in black and wired up wearing earpieces looking like pres bodyguards and they pulled Ed the hell out of there at just at the right moment seriously is what Gina and her husband said verbatim...apparently the 50-60 people that were wound up were taken into another side ballroom or a room where the rest of the shareholders couldn't see them and were told to calm down and they were yelling things like we'l lcall the f' SEC Monday we'll get some f' ing answers... and people inside couldn't see any of this apparently then the situation eased out from there she said...but Gina was like very close to Ed when these people started crowding up to and around Ed and getting in his face and getting pretty testy...Gina said it was a very close call for Ed...Ginas husband almost stepped in to to try and help Ed out but he saw security coming like bats out of hell to grab ED and extract him from the situation so he stayed out of it...pretty crazy stuff.Gina said it was sad because here you have the companies paying big bucks to throw this party and it had to end like this..she and her husband were going to hang around and see if she can talk to anyone and will call me back if she hears anything worthwhile.
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Posted by tigertony on :
Have no fear the spin is still here.Rattle rattle rattle.noahltl
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posted on 31-10-2004 at 07:51
Tomorrow we will all be back up and fighting for our stock and Urban. The SEC did this thing two days before our party. It was planned. It silenced Urban and Roger. It wasn't handled very well public relations wise, but that doesn't change the value of this stock or our investment. I'm not happy to sit up all night expecting to at least be addressed, but I'm not leaving this stock until I see it played all the way out.He's right about one thing this does'nt change the value of the stock.LOL
LMAO now the sec did this just to ruin the party.SPINNING Figure it out the whole world is not after CMKX.CMKX is the one causing all this.IMHO
Posted by ohsnap on :
What a joke.... if there was a real bomb PR that was going to be released what difference would it of made if some women was acting up at the party. Was urban going to type it up at the party and release from the party? There was no bomb pr and to me this was a cop out and more of usual lies, deceit and distractions from the scam of a company. Scam because they have been saying since May that they hit the motherload and to this day they have shown no proof. Instead we find out from a seperate PR from partners that literally the diamonds found were 2 specs of sand.Talk about manipulative, yeah we found diamonds ... lets just hide the fact they are the size of a salt grain.. and these knuckleheads on the boards keep coming up with spins... "carloyn is diamondferous" ... "we have roger glenn" ... look Roger is there for ONE thing... to keep Rendel and Urban out of JAIL. Urban is a scum bag and has scammed people out with Petro Plus before and these idiots like Sterling Collins are paid under the table with free shares to pump this stock ... by his own admission as well as all the other paltalk lackeys.
I warned you all MANY months ago and posted many questions that to this day are STILL not answered.. instead I was labeled a basher and banned.Good job guys.. think how many more people got burned by investing their savings into the "stock play of a lifetime".
There is a reason UCAD is halted .. because they are the only company out of all the crooked ones that report. Cmkx won't get halted as they don't report anything.. if they did they would of been halted to.
just money shifting from one company to another that all seem to be related on family level ie niece,cousin,uncle
S C A M.http://www.lovelandacademy.com/cmkx/index.htm
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Posted by ohsnap on :
http://www.stockpatrol.com/schlock/articles/buddyup.htmlConsider it just one more puzzle, wrapped in a mystery, shrouded in an enigma. The buzz keeps building for a group of little known mining companies - and billions of shares keep changing hands - although the companies in question have yet to produce meaningful revenues, or demonstrate that they are running viable businesses.
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Posted by Penny-Trader on :
ya i feel comfortable with a large investment into this company. lolwhat a shambles. UC is going to be writing his Pr's from a jail cell before long.
he is lucky some one didn't ring his neck last night. but then again with more security then the president has you know he was expecting the worst possible situation.I cant believe the people that are still hopeful after this party. Blaming the SEC for intentionally ruining the party.
The SEC is not there to stop people from making money on stocks, they are there to protect the best interests of the share holders. they don't stop legitimate companies from making money. they step in when there is a valid problem. They could be sued for lost revenue if they stop a company for no good reason. so you can be damned sure they have very valid reasons for stopping UCAD. it is not a good sign, it is not the naked short theory playing out. it is judgment day for their scams.
CMKX is going to be something you are all going to be stuck with in your portfolios. as no one is going to want to buy them.
it will take years for people to get rid of these.
sorry for those of you that accumulated 100 million shares hoping to retire on this one.
but hey the way i see it you should not invest more then you are willing to loose.
last nights party shouts volumes people.
if this don't wake you up then i don't know what will.
What a wicked scam. it was definitely the stock play of the century for UC AKA inmate number to be announced.
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Originally posted by ohsnap:
http://www.stockpatrol.com/schlock/articles/buddyup.htmlConsider it just one more puzzle, wrapped in a mystery, shrouded in an enigma. The buzz keeps building for a group of little known mining companies - and billions of shares keep changing hands - although the companies in question have yet to produce meaningful revenues, or demonstrate that they are running viable businesses.
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Posted by ohsnap on :
Ahhh this is where it gets fun... the blame game. Urban will not go to jail, as technically he did nothing illegal... shady? you bet.. illegal? nope! Thats what Roger Glen was brought on board..
See kids.. mining companies are all scams or as you all would call.. lottery tickets. You invest in an explororatory company and hope for the best.Even our own might president Bush ran this scam looking for Oil in texas called Bustos and Harken energy and of course found nothing, burned a lot on investors, sold all his stock and avoided jail because of his politcal ties and daddy being president helps too... to bad for all the bagholders.
Urban has done this... BUT he took it to such an extreme by having people pump this stock on message boards and used share holder money to go drag racing under the guise of promoting CMKX. If he was serious about finding anything, he would spend the drag money on more drills or an inhouse sample testing facility. But alas no such luck, as the Joel said many months ago CMKX is waisting their opportunity.
Congrats pumpers you paid millions to finance Urban's race hobby and slam Urban and his cohorts bank accounts full. Urban HAS ZERO GUILT AS HE KEPT THE PRINT PRESS GOING SELLING MORE SHARES TO STARY EYED RUBES.
IMAGINE on Aug 18 the O/S was under 500 billion and a month later by the time the UCAD divy was handed out the OS went to 779 BILLION. Now you say impossible the daily volume does't support that... BECAUSE IDIOT the SOFTWARE DESIGNED WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO CALCULATE THAT HIGH OF NUMBER. THE o/S for this COMPANY EXCEEDS THE TOP PERFOMARES ON NASDAQ COMBINED.
779 BILLION walk away from the computer and REALLY think about that number and then bang you head in the wall and say HOW COULD I OF BEEN SO STUPID!!!!![This message has been edited by ohsnap (edited October 31, 2004).]
Posted by ohsnap on :
Such lavish executive compensation would suggest a company doing quite well indeed. But in reality, Harken had little going for itself. One Wall Street analyst called Harken's web of insider stock deals and mounting debt "a lot of jiggery-pokery." Harken was not making money and could not have continued into 1990 without at least some means of convincing lenders and investors that the company would soon find a lot of oil.hrm... sounds familiar... http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html
Posted by bill1352 on :
ohsnap
New Member.................................. your on the wrong board with that stuff. most everyone left on this board knows this. allstocks is the realists cmkx thread. we hold a few million shares each and treat it just like a lottery ticket, odds are not in our favor. this is why all the cmkx "faithful" left this board. i do admit that i did not think ucad was a scam and if the pr's they released were lies well then they will end up paying the price.[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited October 31, 2004).]
Posted by derek111c on :
Looks like we got our October suprise
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tony,WOW!!!!
Thanks very much for the current updates. Looks like those clowns just might get a riot on their hands. If that woman was not said to have been from Canada, I might have suspected she was WWJD. LOL
Please keep up the info.
Posted by ohsnap on :
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Originally posted by derek111c:
Looks like we got our October supriseLOL SURPRISE@@@!!!!
oh well i'm doin the pips thing and back to MACD investing pennies.. no millionares here
lol
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Had UC or Rendall made any kind of statement equal to a release, they would have been in real trouble. That, whether the markets were closed or not, constitutes a release to a limited few and that few become people with inside information. THAT IS ILLEGAL!!!
Posted by tigertony on :
Wallace,you went to bed to early.It was direct from vegas.I was rolling,it was exactly like we said it would be.Gonna go find what your buddy LOL is spinning today.Hope you enjoyed your special link.LMAO I can't believe after all that and telling the people he would talk he just left UNFB.And there suppossed to be at the races today.Bet they don't show.quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Had UC or Rendall made any kind of statement equal to a release, they would have been in real trouble. That, whether the markets were closed or not, constitutes a release to a limited few and that few become people with inside information. THAT IS ILLEGAL!!!
Posted by ohsnap on :
http://cmkxdiamond.********s32.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1099249138
oh wow there might be video of the incident
Posted by tigertony on :
Not to worry everything is gonna be fine.Just read Nohltl.I am a christian myself and take my word for it God does not have anything to do with CMKX,surviving or failing.Now God led them to make this investment can you say BS BS BS BS BS BS.
Thers a whole list thanking them for the party,even a letter to send them buy a bunch on another site.The comet is coming.LMAO
All in my humble opinion.noahltl
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posted on 31-10-2004 at 17:00
The Morning AfterAs we awaken to the Lord's Day, with thoughts of last night's 'party', our brothers and sisters are gathered there in praise and worship. I am sure that God has already granted them peace and reassurance, that all is well with their lives. I feel certain that He has redirected their minds and hearts to what is really important, as He did mine this morning. This is an investment, and that only. It's not our money in the investment, it is His, and we are only the stewards. If we were led by the Spirit to make this investment, then we have to allow Him to continue to guide us, not negative circumstances.
With that said, my mind cleared, my prayers lifted, I want to discuss the occurences of this week.
As we started this week, many of us were hopeful that needed facts would surface at the Vegas meeting and we would be more able to see the direction of our investment.
Then and now our company was under attack by a system that has been directed by greed and evil.On Thursday, we saw the influence of that evil arise and attack us with a diabolical plan. They knew that our hopes were high that good news would arise at the party and that our frustrations of months or years would finally be ended. They knew that if they filed a complaint with the SEC, that our leaders would be effectively silenced, with no time to cancel or reschedule the party.
They also knew that if the company went ahead and touted any aspect of our joint companies that it would be a direct affront to the SEC's authority and investigative role, whether there was any real violations by our company or not. The world knows that filing a complaint gives all the appearances of guilt. It's something we cannot do anything about, except answer to the charges. The problem is, that the answers always come well after the fact of the filing and announcement. And bad news is always more extensively covered than the good news. So the "bad guys" had nothing to lose by bringing the complaint.
My second objection, is that the SEC recognized and published the complaint when they did, only hours before the party started. With all of the conversations, filings, and reports that we had submitted to them, they had to know what the impact of the complaint would be on our companies. It could have been issued tomorrow or Tuesday, but if they had waited until then, and the news at the party had been "earth shaking", the pps would have skyrocketed and they could not have "put the genie back in the bottle".
So we were "hit", and the MM's, hedge funds, et al fired the first shot, and an effective shot, I will admit.
Now, as to the party. I don't hold the company completely blameless in what occured. If nothing else could be said about the company, due to the pending complaint, then I think Roger Glenn should have stood up, faced the investors, and said: "Thank you all for coming. We had some good news for you, but due to the pending charge with the SEC we cannot talk about it until the complaint has been resolved. We will be meeting with them on Tuesday in Los Angeles and as soon as it has been resolved we will release it all in a PR., and I am sorry that this occured at an inopportune time."
We may have not been happy with that announcement, but shareholders could have dealt with disappointments that they could understand.
But Roger didn't do that. No one has ever claimed that attorneys are PR people. They are Law People, and compliance is their primary goal. That is what he enforced on the company, and he did it for our own good. "Customer satisfaction" is not the most important product at the moment. Compliance, reporting, share structuring, and forward movement are.
It has been reported that Urban had planned to address the party later in the evening with something. Perhaps it would have been good news, perhaps it would have been an explanation of why he couldn't offer the great news we were expecting. But instead an outraged and frustrated investor demanded answers on her schedule, created a public stir, and Roger instructed Urban to say nothing else.
This Tuesday, Roger will be meeting with the SEC in LA and providing answers and proofs to the SEC. The whole complaint may be thrown out immediately and a PR issued to explain everything and provide us with the "earth shaking" news that we have all been waiting for.
But at least, it has to be said, that this is the same company with the same business plan, and same future that it had before this incident. None of that has changed. We lost a battle this past week, but we are far from having lost the war. If anything, Rendall, Urban, and Roger are going to approach this thing with new vigor and new resolve in bringing the "war" to the people who have attacked us.
Personally, I was disappointed, but seeing the lengths that the MM's have gone to destroy this company, the appearance of complicity of the DTC and SEC, and the overwhelmingly positive spirit of the number of brother and sister Christians have only hardened my position in seeing this investment through to a successful conclusion for us, those that we want to serve, and most importantly for the Spirit that led me to this place and time. All in my humble opinion.
Posted by ohsnap on :
oi thats so sad using god to justify a stock.
Noahtl aka Jim Brewer should be locked up for sticken down by god.
MM plant?? Thats funny and sad the extremes people will go to justiry having NO NEWS for a stock.Its petro plus all over again and Urban is going to make off like a bandit with a lot of loot.
Posted by Upside on :
ohsnap,
Exactly what is your problem with noah? You've registered here under many different names and it seems like your main goal is only to post his real name. Why? Are you some kind of stalker or something? I don't necessarily agree with all that he posts here or elsewhere either but why do you have to post his real name? Some kind of power trip or what?
Posted by dwman on :
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Originally posted by ohsnap:
oi thats so sad using god to justify a stock.
Noahtl aka Jim Brewer should be locked up for sticken down by god.
ohsnap... people on this board will tell you that I rarely...in fact...I don't think on this board I have ever talked about my faith in Christ. I just don't think this is the place for it. ChristianTraders board is another story however. Since you stated the above, please endulge me this one time. Christians who believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God, often lean on their faith in making decisions. In my case, the decision to invest in cmkx was based to a large extend on dd that noah, debi, and many other Christian investors did. We don't flip a coin and say, I think I will invest in this stock. Now, God, you bless it. I think there are numerous non-christian investors on this board who are extremely good at providing solid dd. I lean on their advice too. God does not strike down his children for trusting Him. And, I doubt that noah will be locked up for liking this stock.
Posted by Upside on :
dwman, with all due respect, isn't it wrong to invoke Gods name in order to realize a profit? I'll grant you that there are many Christians who own this stock and a lot of good would come from them in the event of a huge run up, but at the same time, you would probably make sure you were wealthy for the rest of your days. It just seems like a big contradiction to me.
Posted by tigertony on :
I am a christian also i just don't buy people saying God led them to this stock and thats why everything will be ok.Thus ignoring any other facts.God is not a broker.Upside caught a big run on football today.You did'nt play anything today.Good Luck
Posted by tigertony on :
I am a christian also i just don't buy people saying God led them to this stock and thats why everything will be ok.Thus ignoring any other facts.God is not a broker.Upside caught a big run on football today.You did'nt play anything today.Good Luck
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Originally posted by Upside:
dwman, with all due respect, isn't it wrong to invoke Gods name in order to realize a profit? I'll grant you that there are many Christians who own this stock and a lot of good would come from them in the event of a huge run up, but at the same time, you would probably make sure you were wealthy for the rest of your days. It just seems like a big contradiction to me.Oh absolutely, Upside. I agree with you completely and did not intend to say that Christians have an edge over non-Christians. Nor did I mean to imply that Christians can invoke God's name to get anything they want. Would you give your children everything they ask. I don't think so. I was only saying to the poster that noah was writing on a thread on the ChristianTraders board and felt free to express his faith. Now, having said that, I will say that many shareholders who are Christians are praying for this stock to do well in order to spend the money helping others in need. In the bible, in the book of James, the writer said, "ye have not because ye ask not and when ye ask, ye ask with the wrong motives." You are correct. It would be wrong to pray for success in order to spend the money selfishly. Well, enough rambling. I probably confused you more. Thanks for getting me to clear that up. I hope it made a little sense.
Posted by tigertony on :
I can respect that and have no problem with that.I myself thank God everyday for everything.I just find some of what they do wrong IMHO.And i want every shareholder in this to make money.But i post the facts i find and my opinions.They do not allow anything negative or you're banned for being a basher.Anyway i wish you the best and God Bless all the shareholders that it works out.quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Oh absolutely, Upside. I agree with you completely and did not intend to say that Christians have an edge over non-Christians. Nor did I mean to imply that Christians can invoke God's name to get anything they want. Would you give your children everything they ask. I don't think so. I was only saying to the poster that noah was writing on a thread on the ChristianTraders board and felt free to express his faith. Now, having said that, I will say that many shareholders who are Christians are praying for this stock to do well in order to spend the money helping others in need. In the bible, in the book of James, the writer said, "ye have not because ye ask not and when ye ask, ye ask with the wrong motives." You are correct. It would be wrong to pray for success in order to spend the money selfishly. Well, enough rambling. I probably confused you more. Thanks for getting me to clear that up. I hope it made a little sense.
Posted by Upside on :
It made perfect sense. Actually, it kind of reinforced my beliefs. While I can't proclaim myself a "Christian" because the definition has changed in recent years, I can say that I have religious beliefs that play a role in my day to day life. However, when I see people praying for this stock and saying that it's an "evil" that has caused this investigation, I have to shake my head and think that it's just plain wrong. I just can't believe that God plays a role in CMKX's success or failure, regardless of who's praying for it and who's not.
Posted by Binky on :
Hi AllHere are a couple of posts from the CT board about the question of the Carolyn claims having been let lapse. Has anyone else checked this out from this board?
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Carolyn Lapsed!This is from another board.http://cmkxdiamond.********s32.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1099072142
The Carolyn Claims have lapsed. I call the Mines Recorder at the Sask Government a few minutes ago and gave them the Claims number for Carolyn Pipe. She checked them on their computer and they are lapsed and are free to be staked as of of Nov 1, 2004. UCA/KPG did not renew them.I gave her claim #'s surrounding the Carolyn and they came back to DW Ventures. I determined the claim numbers from the maps below. These are the same Claim #'s someone else posted the other day making the same statement.
Note the claims in light pink in the upper picture. They are the Carolyn claims. Claim S-134364, S-134365, S-134366 and S-134367 I have coloured in yellow in the lower part of the picture. Note how the grids match up in the 2 pictures.
According to my conversation and the following document;
http://www.ir.gov.sk.ca/adx/asp/adxGetMedia.asp?DocID=3446,3440,3385,2936,Documents&MediaID=8096&Filename=November%20Lap se%20List1.pdfthese claims have in fact lapsed and as of Nov 1st, 2004 they will be available for restaking.
So much for the secret core samples locked in a warehouse..
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And noahlt's reply in part saidnoahltl
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posted on 29-10-2004 at 20:30I have been monitoring this situation for the last hour or so. Canuck on ******** 32 talked to the officials in Sask about our claim at Carolyn lapsing. This has been rumored for about two weeks.
Drymouth, Admin from Paltalk was at the race with Ron Casavant when this report came out. Ron said that there was no way, that the claim is locked up for years. Drymouth reports that the claims are 100% BS. (His words).
Canuck and Drymouth, I consider both to be reliable in their reporting. The dispute at this point is between Ron and the govt of Sask.
I would bet on the incompetence of the government agency reporting, than I would on Ron Casavant telling a lie to gathered CMKX shareholders. Especially a lie that can be easily disproven when someone in the know confronts the govt.
Posted by tigertony on :
AMENquote:
Originally posted by Upside:
It made perfect sense. Actually, it kind of reinforced my beliefs. While I can't proclaim myself a "Christian" because the definition has changed in recent years, I can say that I have religious beliefs that play a role in my day to day life. However, when I see people praying for this stock and saying that it's an "evil" that has caused this investigation, I have to shake my head and think that it's just plain wrong. I just can't believe that God plays a role in CMKX's success or failure, regardless of who's praying for it and who's not.
Posted by dwman on :
I'm glad to hear that Upside. I agree the term Christian changed back when Jimmy Carter started using the phrase "born-again Christian". I guess it was his way of distinguishing between those who followed Jesus' admonishment, "Ye must be born again" from those who just mean they are not from one of the other world religions. Anyway, I love discussing my faith with you but I don't want to bore others on the board. Please feel welcome to drop in on me at ChristianTraders. Lots of good discussions go on there. One last thing though... I had a friend who used to say that God cares about everything from hangings to hangnails.Don
Posted by tigertony on :
Binky,i don't know about that,but anything that comes up is never cmkx is fault.
Posted by Upside on :
dwman, I appreciate the invitation and I do look around there every now and then but too many people over there know me from here and I don't think I'd be welcome with open arms so to speak. I seem to have a hard time keeping my negative mouth shut even when it would serve me better to do so and those types of comments aren't welcome over there. Thanks again though.
Posted by Binky on :
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Originally posted by tigertony:
Binky,i don't know about that,but anything that comes up is never cmkx is fault.I checked the Sask. govt. site and these claims are open to stake.
Would put some doubt on the talk of this pipe being filled to the top with diamonds waiting to be scooped up that has been thrown around on these boards for awhile now.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tony,Again, thank you for the blow by blow party info. Had I been there, probably would have ended up in jail. LOL
Do you realize that the 3 stooges seem to have done the same thing in Canada that Dhonau did in Ohio? Wonder if they learned that from him?
The smartest thing they did at that party is make a release. As I said, it would have been illegal unless released to the world at the SAME time.
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"In my case, the decision to invest in cmkx was based to a large extend on dd that noah, debi, and many other Christian investors did."dwman, that is a very distressing thing to hear. Had you been reading their posts:
1) You would have known that noahltl had next to "0" stock market experience;
2) You would have been aware of the fact that noahltl almost always did one thing and that was to post others' favorable posts...no matter how outrageous;
3) You would have known Debi's experience was also limited to just a couple of years;
4) You should have seen that she had a venue and a vested interest well beyond what most posters on this thread had, and
5) You should have seen that both noahltl, Debi and others (Christian or otherwise) were simply touting something about which had become a cult-like fetish. Apparently, noahltl is still at it! UNBELIEVABLE!!!No offense, dwman, but couldn't you have found some other and maybe better reason for betting on CMKX? No offense again, but could you give me an honest answer as to why so many of us did not convince you otherwise?
Bashers, we were not! Just some people trying to show others the reality of what was happening and expressing their honest opinions. I cannot fathom how so many could not or would not see the FACTS that have added up to the present dismal situation...and they were frequently expressed.
Posted by dwman on :
Wallace...Yes, I can give you an answer. Whether you believe it or not, I seriously read lots and lots of your posts. Honestly, though, I discounted much of what you said because I felt you were as intolerant of the positives of cmkx as others were the negatives. I did what dd I could do on my own and put stock (no pun intended) in what others said. As I have said before, Wallace, I don't think you are a bad guy and I kinda think you can be funny sometimes and I even enjoy some of what you write. I just think you are a paid basher and I don't mean that in a mean way.
Posted by dwman on :
I'll make a deal with you Wallace. If it turns out that cmkx is a scam, I will address my apology first to you for not listening to you. Will you do the same for me if we end up making a good profit from cmkx?Don
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i get a real kick out of the so called Cristian traders. i thought christians followed what their bibles tell them as being the work of God.From everything i have ever seen in the bible it discourages people from striving for riches.
here are a few examples for you.
(Proverbs 23:5) Have you caused your eyes to glance at it, when it is nothing? For without fail it makes wings for itself like those of an eagle and flies away toward the heavens.
(Mark 10:23) After looking around Jesus said to his disciples: “How difficult a thing it will be for those with money to enter into the kingdom of God!”
(Luke 18:24) Jesus looked at him and said: “How difficult a thing it will be for those having money to make their way into the kingdom of God!
(1 Timothy 6:9) However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin.
(2 Timothy 4:10) For De´mas has forsaken me because he loved the present system of things, and he has gone to Thes·sa·lo·ni´ca; Cres´cens to Ga·la´ti·a, Titus to Dal·ma´tia.
(1 Timothy 6:9-10) 9 However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains.
(Hebrews 13:5) 5 Let [YOUR] manner of life be free of the love of money, while YOU are content with the present things. For he has said: “I will by no means leave you nor by any means forsake you. . .
so dont give us this crap about God is going to make this work for you. you need to get you heads out from the cloud thatyou are living in.
sorry for getting into religion here as i dont believe this it the place for it. but i am not going to sit back and listen to this crap when in know it is not christian to be stiving for riches
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 31, 2004).]
Posted by bill1352 on :
the carolyn pipe had been tested a few times before cmkx got there. each time it was determined to not have enough to mine so it should be no suprise that the claims would lapse. cmkx told us so in their not say a word way, they moved everything to a new location & if the little we have been told is right the fly by test didn't include carolyn. ya think maybe the core tests came back empty? cmkx sure seems to have moved on. only shareholders keep going back there. and to get cmkx to say something about it? ya might need a few prayers, holy water, bibles & maybe a direct call from the pope to get them to be open & honest with shareholders. as for the rest only time will tell, i've said it before, either we make a nice chunk of change or we get the dubious honor of being part of the biggest stock scam the market has ever seen.
Posted by dwman on :
Penny, I certainly never meant to anger you. Forgive me. I see now why it is said that one should never discuss religion and politics. BTW... You quoted Paul several times. Paul also said that he had learned to be content with whatever state he was in. So have I. I could enjoy life in a tent or life in a mansion.
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
I'll make a deal with you Wallace. If it turns out that cmkx is a scam, I will address my apology first to you for not listening to you. Will you do the same for me if we end up making a good profit from cmkx?Don
As long as they keep drilling it's not a scam....
Posted by Upside on :
You're right Bill, the Carolyn pipe was drilled as early as 1996 and found to be pretty much empty. I don't know why everyone is up in arms about the claims expiring. It's empty, I hope they did let them expire. Move on to better things.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
I'll make a deal with you Wallace. If it turns out that cmkx is a scam, I will address my apology first to you for not listening to you. Will you do the same for me if we end up making a good profit from cmkx?Don
Don,
ABSOLUTELY!!! You have a deal.
How in hell you or anyone can think I am a basher, let alone a "paid basher" is beyond me...but so be it.
Frankly, you and others were probably swayed by certain pumper posters on this thread. I did nothing but provide facts as I saw them.
To me, they were conclusive facts, and, as time went on, more and more such conclusive facts came out practically slapping avid believers in the face. There was no getting around those facts, but others kept trying to convince newcomers of just the opposite with nonsense hope, hype, dreams, etc.Just look at tradingpennys. As a result of all the crap put out by CMKX promoters (and I don't believe any were paid pumpers), even her mother put money into CMKX.
Basher? No! Paid basher? No! Experienced? Yes! Knowledgeable? Yes! As simple as that!
I call things as I see them with the help of what I have learned in my past.[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 31, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
sorry double post[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 31, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
woops tripple post. my bad[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 31, 2004).]
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
You're right Bill, the Carolyn pipe was drilled as early as 1996 and found to be pretty much empty. I don't know why everyone is up in arms about the claims expiring. It's empty, I hope they did let them expire. Move on to better things.uh Mt St Helens? Geologists eyes lighting up? Diamond ferous? Secret stash of Core samples? A few of the hardcore faith still believe Urban is holier than god and would never lie. To bad they forgot about petro plus... I hope the Canadian gov't reams melvin and urban.. they flat out KNOWINGLY lied to pump the stock.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Don,ABSOLUTELY!!! You have a deal.
How in hell you or anyone can think I am a basher, let alone a "paid basher" is beyond me...but so be it.
Frankly, you and others were probably swayed by certain pumper posters on this thread. I did nothing but provide facts as I saw them.
To me, they were conclusive facts, and, as time went on, more and more such conclusive facts came out practically slapping avid believers in the face. There was no getting around those facts, but others kept trying to convince newcomers of just the opposite with nonsense hope, hype, dreams, etc.Just look at tradingpennys. As a result of all the crap put out by CMKX promoters (and I don't believe any were paid pumpers), even her mother put money into CMKX.
Basher? No! Paid basher? No! Experienced? Yes! Knowledgeable? Yes! As simple as that!
I call things as I see them with the help of what I have learned in my past.[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited October 31, 2004).]
Wallace, I'll take your word for it. If you say you are not a basher, I accept that. Thanks
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
penny-trader wrote:so dont give us this crap about God is going to make this work for you. you need to get you heads out from the cloud thatyou are living in.
sorry for getting into religion here as i dont believe this it the place for it. but i am not going to sit back and listen to this crap when in know it is not christian to be stiving for riches.
***************************************Agreed. Has no affect on results one way or the other. Shouldn't enter into logical decision making in the stock market. Besides, I am all for riches!!!
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
lol that is what i like about you lol
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
penny-trader wrote:so dont give us this crap about God is going to make this work for you. you need to get you heads out from the cloud thatyou are living in.
sorry for getting into religion here as i dont believe this it the place for it. but i am not going to sit back and listen to this crap when in know it is not christian to be stiving for riches.
***************************************Agreed. Has no affect on results one way or the other. Shouldn't enter into logical decision making in the stock market. Besides, I am all for riches!!!
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i was adding that passage as you typed your message.you didnt anger me the whole christian trader thing angers me. I used to frequent the CMKX websites chatboard and it was over run with that type of reasoning. I had to leave there because i hate hypocracy.
this is the only time i have ever participated in a religious discussion and probably the only time i will. the 2 dont mix.
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Penny, I certainly never meant to anger you. Forgive me. I see now why it is said that one should never discuss religion and politics. BTW... You quoted Paul several times. Paul also said that he had learned to be content with whatever state he was in. So have I. I could enjoy life in a tent or life in a mansion.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
ohsnap - how do you know that they are still drilling? Besides, drilling means nothing when there's nothing there to find and they knew it.
Posted by dwman on :
Thanks Penny.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
ohsnap - how do you know that they are still drilling? Besides, drilling means nothing when there's nothing there to find and they knew it.Wallace...do you believe they lied about the testing that revealed over 100 pipes that were diamondiferrous? Also, I'm interested to know whether you think a PR will come out this week. Thanks
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Wow, penny-trader, do we think alike there:i hate hypocracy.
Posted by dwman on :
Another thought, Wallace... If they were lying does that mean that Shoregold was also lying about their find?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
dwman wrote:Wallace...do you believe they lied about the testing that revealed over 100 pipes that were diamondiferrous? Also, I'm interested to know whether you think a PR will come out this week. Thanks
********************************dwman,
In my opinion they exaggerated. However, I have no facts upon which to base that opinion except for their past misleading or ambiguous releases. As I recall that fly over included UCAD and someone else (maybe Nevada Minerals). At best maybe the total included 100 pipes...for all companies. At worst they were all on one of those other's claims. On the other hand, I would expect they would have come up with some. That's the best I can do.
As to a PR, yes, I would expect them to make one this coming week...but only with reference to the halt of USCA and the question re Casavant-DeSormeau-Melvin. As I said before, if they are the least bit savvy, they will let Glenn do it. Just remember, Glenn is on their side...not yours.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
How in hell you or anyone can think I am a basher, let alone a "paid basher" is beyond me...but so be it.
I think people are quick to use "basher" instead of ALOT of other words they would love to say but can't.Mr Frey don't like people to curse here on Allstocks.LOL
Posted by Binky on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
You're right Bill, the Carolyn pipe was drilled as early as 1996 and found to be pretty much empty. I don't know why everyone is up in arms about the claims expiring. It's empty, I hope they did let them expire. Move on to better things.You have a very good " Oh well, better luck next time" attitude Upside. Good for you. Keeps a person from having their hopes dashed when things turn out not to be true. And as you say move on to other things, and I think I will.
GLTA
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
highwaychild,Very funny!! No offense. They sure as hell got away with a lot as far as I am concerned. Bob Frey was very tolerant. LOL
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
ohsnap - how do you know that they are still drilling? Besides, drilling means nothing when there's nothing there to find and they knew it.ahhh that's the fun part... just every so often yank the drill out of the closet and drill and then pack it up and have melvie talk about mt st helens or diamond ferous at 900 ft. and dump more shares into the market. Thats what I mean by drilling.....
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Wallace...do you believe they lied about the testing that revealed over 100 pipes that were diamondiferrous? Also, I'm interested to know whether you think a PR will come out this week. ThanksDiamondferrous doesn't mean anything and aerial survery are subjective. The oreo cookie will most like be more sands of diamonds.
Trust me debeers and shore gold yanked up all the good spots... CMKX is just hoping by pot luck they find something cuz they surround them both. All these shells mining companies are joining which CMKX cuz they are a major cash cow ... not from any potential sites found. CMKX at 779 BILLION X .0002 to .001 is still a lot of money for a company like ucad that is 17 million in dept and only has 1,000 cash in hand.
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Another thought, Wallace... If they were lying does that mean that Shoregold was also lying about their find?Like I said debeers and shoregold snatched up all the good spots.. CMKX just bought up all the areas around it and hopes for the best.. Estimates so far say its not economically viable for shoregold to mine.. so you can forget about cmkx getting anything up even if they find a sizeable diamond.
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
dwman wrote:Wallace...do you believe they lied about the testing that revealed over 100 pipes that were diamondiferrous? Also, I'm interested to know whether you think a PR will come out this week. Thanks
********************************dwman,
In my opinion they exaggerated. However, I have no facts upon which to base that opinion except for their past misleading or ambiguous releases. As I recall that fly over included UCAD and someone else (maybe Nevada Minerals). At best maybe the total included 100 pipes...for all companies. At worst they were all on one of those other's claims. On the other hand, I would expect they would have come up with some. That's the best I can do.
As to a PR, yes, I would expect them to make one this coming week...but only with reference to the halt of USCA and the question re Casavant-DeSormeau-Melvin. As I said before, if they are the least bit savvy, they will let Glenn do it. Just remember, Glenn is on their side...not yours.
Whats' funny is back in june dancingwithbulls member called melvin asking if he knew who david was after an complaint was found that was brought up against him for fraud.. Melvin said he had NO clue who that was... what a total scum bag... and people feel sorry for his wife... if there is a god people get what they deserve.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
The "claims" Urban (the manipulator) is saying he has, have all been previously tested and logged with the results from years gone by. How in the world would anything be different in the contents in the ground? Has a few thousand years gone by and I missed it? lol
He was smart enough to have the information made classified. All except for 2. 1 is in his wifes name and the other is the CIM zinc ...
Posted by tradingpennys on :
And another thing - I bet a 100 to 1 that the problems that arose jussssst before the party was part of the master plan. The master plan to have an excuse to get out of disclosing all the things THEY AREN'T DOING!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
i am sort of curious about one thing, the gemm dividend. ever since the 400 billion number came out we knew cmkx was cooked but holding though very risky was no big deal and after the dividends were announced became even less risky because of the combined value of ucad & gemm. ucad & gemm have had very positive prs in the last few months. we were forced to hold ucad & they may never remove the restriction but holding gemm if the prs were not lies could just about cover 1/2 of the cmkx cash loss. in my mind whether or not cmkx is a scam didn't matter. ucad & gemm could just about cover my cash. the question now is did ucad & gemm lie in their prs. where they got their cash to do these things? chances are from cmkx shares. they rode the pryamid up. UC will be saved jail time if ucad & gemm did not lie. that is the casavant manuver. take the cash from cmkx shares, spend as little as possible to keep it going, give the money back through shares of other companies
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
i am sort of curious about one thing, the gemm dividend. ever since the 400 billion number came out we knew cmkx was cooked but holding though very risky was no big deal and after the dividends were announced became even less risky because of the combined value of ucad & gemm. ucad & gemm have had very positive prs in the last few months. we were forced to hold ucad & they may never remove the restriction but holding gemm if the prs were not lies could just about cover 1/2 of the cmkx cash loss. in my mind whether or not cmkx is a scam didn't matter. ucad & gemm could just about cover my cash. the question now is did ucad & gemm lie in their prs. where they got their cash to do these things? chances are from cmkx shares. they rode the pryamid up. UC will be saved jail time if ucad & gemm did not lie. that is the casavant manuver. take the cash from cmkx shares, spend as little as possible to keep it going, give the money back through shares of other companiesExcellent point bill.
Posted by dwman on :
Upside, noah said that you sent your regards. Thanks. I hope your day is fantastic. Noah posted that we value your posts. I agree. Come on over.
Don
Posted by AoneFischer on :
As a christian you make all decisions with prayer asking god to guide you. God has the power to make this stock rise or fall, And if he decided he wanted to bless a cmkx shareholder because they made this decision with to buy cmkx with the blessing of god ...well then the rest of the shareholders will be bless also, not a bad investment stradgey, put faith in god and not this world. just something to think about.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
I am curious about the volume. I was able to sell for 0002 (at ask) on Fri. WHo is still buying billions of CMKX for 0002? Only Faithfuls? Billions/day for the past 2 weeks?
Posted by dwman on :
WOW!! 25 million in less than 30 seconds and then sudden stop. What can be made of that?
Posted by dwman on :
ooops... just a pause I guess.
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
And another thing - I bet a 100 to 1 that the problems that arose jussssst before the party was part of the master plan. The master plan to have an excuse to get out of disclosing all the things THEY AREN'T DOING!!I'll take that bet. Put me down for $1000.
Posted by bill1352 on :
it truly amazesme about the volume...somebody has a way to make money on this stockuc only makes money on the first sel of a share or new shares so unless he is the one buying & selling it isn't him.
Posted by safeguard on :
The SEC's strategy for protecting investors astounds me......suspend trading on USCA but let the bigger fish, CMKX, continue to trade and let it's other cohorts, GEMM, ECPN, SGGM, etc., continue to trade as well.
Posted by skippy on :
The way I see it, the SEC has only one problem right now. The accuracy of USCA reported numbers. I'm guessing it has something to do with valuing mineral rights, something that has not been allowed previously because of its speculative nature. I'm guessing someone saw the assets value increase period to period and it raised flags. If that is the case, it would have nothing to do with any other stocks.IMO
Posted by mdec on :
Yearly high of $85,899,344.00 per share.
I guess Warren Buffet must be envious.
Posted by mdec on :
Oops wrong thread
Posted by mdec on :
The $85,899.344.00 yealy high is for American Fire Retards.
Posted by dwman on :
Can anyone verify whether cmkx is again trading in Canada? I saw on another board that the ban has been lifted.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
Seems like Fidelity ppl got the 3 for 1 USCA divy split. Not from Ameritrade yet..
Posted by bill1352 on :
ucads pps has skyrocketed on prs...cmkx is .0002 only 2 things lower, .0001 & bankrupt so from the SEC's veiw the market is showing the risk by cmkx's pps, why put a hold on it. sggm hasn't said anything to increase the pps. if ppl want to put money there for no reason the SEC isn't there to say no. gemm has been in business for yrs and if the prs are right has done a few things to increase value plus the pps is .107 & has moved there from .03 not from $4 to $15
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
ucads pps has skyrocketed on prs...cmkx is .0002 only 2 things lower, .0001 & bankrupt so from the SEC's veiw the market is showing the risk by cmkx's pps, why put a hold on it. sggm hasn't said anything to increase the pps. if ppl want to put money there for no reason the SEC isn't there to say no. gemm has been in business for yrs and if the prs are right has done a few things to increase value plus the pps is .107 & has moved there from .03 not from $4 to $15
Nonsense. These companies are all tightly intertwined. If one is a scam then they are are all in it together. Numbers are relative. A rise from .03 to .107 is 3.56x and from 4 to 15 is 3.75x, about the same in both cases.If your going to step in a lower the hammer because of a scam, then you hit all companies at once. They didn't do that.
This action wasn't to protect the investor world (except shorts). The timing stinks, the action stinks and the method stinks.
[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited November 01, 2004).]
Posted by GatorMan on :
I guess it's time I weighed in on this, everyone else seems to have an opinion.I for one am glad of the regulatory actions being taken. If the regulators find there were improprieties then I'd just as soon know about it now before I'm tempted to put more money into this stock. If there are no improprieties found then I'll feel good about the fact that it was at least looked into. A positive finding (for the shareholders) doesn't mean there isn't something untoward going on, or won't in the future. I suspect that regardless of the findings those who are clearly on one side or the other will not be swayed and will find excuses for the finding.
I must say that I was disappointed about the way the party turned out. I too was hoping to hear some big announcement. I honestly don't know what to make of the incident with the "irate shareholder". Whether she was a plant or truly some shareholder that was pissed off we may never know, but given either scenario it's a sad state of affairs.
So, as usual, I am sitting the fence on this, hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
------------------
~,-,-< GatorMan
Posted by GHOST on :
Relax:
Last I heard
Tuesday meeting with SEC.
Wednesday at the earliest they expect to be able to release the postponed great news.
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by GHOST:
Relax:
Last I heard
Tuesday meeting with SEC.
Wednesday at the earliest they expect to be able to release the postponed great news.
Won't happen unless they make a concession that allows the SEC to drop the pps so shorts can cover (of course nothing in the meeting will be stated this way)...otherwise the meeting will stall and the trading suspension will be extended until some concession is achieved.
Posted by dwman on :
Safeguard... Can the SEC act as a market maker? I don't think so.
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Safeguard... Can the SEC act as a market maker? I don't think so.Hey, the SEC won't go to that extreme and then come away looking foolish
Posted by JEAL on :
Some of our partners are taking a bit of a "beating" todaySGGM - (- 32%)
GEMM - (- 10%)
UCA.V - (- 20%)hmmmmm.....any ideas why?
Posted by Upside on :
Probably just a "guilt by association" reaction.
Posted by JEAL on :
Upside - BINGO -All is well I hope
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Probably just a "guilt by association" reaction.
Posted by sarki316 on :
There will be a Green Baron Report relase tonight regarding CMKX/USCA.
http://www.*************.com/index.html
Posted by GHOST on :
sarki316:
Thanks for the info.
Looking forward to it!
Take it easy!
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
WHATEVER He also has the power to stop the talibanthe fact of the mater is he isnt now why on earth would he reward a crook like UC in order to make one christian investor happy. Use your head and realise he does not work in that way. he wants you to work for what you get.
im done with this bull crap. this is an investment board. you want to talk religion go to the christian trader board. I dont want to talk about it so i came here
quote:
Originally posted by AoneFischer:
As a christian you make all decisions with prayer asking god to guide you. God has the power to make this stock rise or fall, And if he decided he wanted to bless a cmkx shareholder because they made this decision with to buy cmkx with the blessing of god ...well then the rest of the shareholders will be bless also, not a bad investment stradgey, put faith in god and not this world. just something to think about.
Posted by tigertony on :
It does'nt work that way.Re read the bible. God is not going to make this happen to show you it does'nt work that way.God does not influence you to buy a stock.Like i said iam a christian and pray everyday.The way i take it his message was he is not a broker.NLOLquote:
Originally posted by AoneFischer:
As a christian you make all decisions with prayer asking god to guide you. God has the power to make this stock rise or fall, And if he decided he wanted to bless a cmkx shareholder because they made this decision with to buy cmkx with the blessing of god ...well then the rest of the shareholders will be bless also, not a bad investment stradgey, put faith in god and not this world. just something to think about.
Posted by ohsnap on :
sooo if I pray every day and then take a gun and shoot myself in the head point blank... god will find a way for me to survive?sad sad day... got protects nobody .. why do you think all those televangelists live in million dollar homes? Where was gods wrath when Jim Backer in gods name swindled thousands of old people out of their retirement funds by preaching gods work? God gives you inner strength... it does not control the world around you.. you need to use your rational head.
Posted by tigertony on :
BINGOquote:
Originally posted by ohsnap:
sooo if I pray every day and then take a gun and shoot myself in the head point blank... god will find a way for me to survive?sad sad day... got protects nobody .. why do you think all those televangelists live in million dollar homes? Where was gods wrath when Jim Backer in gods name swindled thousands of old people out of their retirement funds by preaching gods work? God gives you inner strength... it does not control the world around you.. you need to use your rational head.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Wish you God fearing people would cut the God and religious crap. If he doesn't sh:t, he cannot help you with stocks!
Posted by tigertony on :
How Dare you Hmph,why i never.LOLquote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Wish you God fearing people would cut the God and religious crap. If he doesn't sh:t, he cannot help you with stocks!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tony,Sorry, but using that as any kind of reason or logic for investing drives me crazy.
By the way, does he? LOL Don't even bother trying to answer that!
Have you heard any more scuttlebutt about the party fiasco?
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 01, 2004).]
Posted by tigertony on :
Wallace,no real news,just the usual,spin.Everything is fine,nothing wrong,some even buying more sheesh.The comets on the way.LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I know someone (maybe UC, maybe Rendall) said they were to be meeting with the authorities on Tuesday.Does that mean tomorrow or a week from then.
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
I know someone (maybe UC, maybe Rendall) said they were to be meeting with the authorities on Tuesday.Does that mean tomorrow or a week from then.
I am unable to get into the Green Barron site. Has anyone read the report that was to take place tonight?
Steve
Posted by tigertony on :
Tomorrow is D Day.They need to have another party.
Posted by tigertony on :
Don't know if this is updated yet.On Wednesday, October 27 U.S. Canadian Minerals (USCA) announced that the company’s 3-for-1 forward split had been declared effective. The former symbol for the company was UCAD. This restructuring of the company will allow for the pursuit of additional avenues of financing and future acquisitions. Rendal Williams, CEO of USCA, stated: “With the split and new symbol now effective, the company will continue pursuit of its goals as stated by the board of directors. We expect to have some exciting announcements in the next few days.”
Later that same day, USCA announced it completed the acquisition of a controlling interest in a new processing plant in Buza , Ecuador . The first stage of the facility is 95% complete. The first stage of the plant will have capacity to process approximately 70 tons of gold ore per day. When completed, the second stage of the plant will have processing capacity of approximately 400 to 500 tons of gold ore per day.
In the same announcement, Rendal Williams stated, “… Through our commitment to CMKM Diamonds and Nevada Minerals, USCA is working diligently to expand its production facilities to stay ahead of the processing requirements of the American Shaft gold ore production.”
The next morning, today Thursday October 28, trading of shares in USCA were suspended by the SEC until the end of day on Nov. 10. The SEC said it took action because of questions regarding the accuracy of publicly disseminated information regarding the company’s financing and mining activities and the value of its assets. However, The Green Baron Report expects the shares of USCA to begin trading again at some point next week based on what we believe are unfounded allegations against the company.
Strangely enough, it also came to light this morning that the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission has delegated to the Director of the Securities Division for a special inquiry that was initiated on October 26. The officers of CMKM Diamonds including Melvin O’Neil are being asked to produce supporting documentation to evidence the possibility of trading unregistered shares of CMKM Diamonds back when the stock carried the symbol CMKI and CMKM. The individuals and related companies are being asked to provide a response by November 9, 2004 .
The Green Baron Report thinks now more than ever it is obvious a short position exists in the shares of US Canadian Minerals (USCA) and CMKM Diamonds (CMKX). We strongly believe we have just witnessed a consorted all out effort to tarnish the images of CMKM Diamonds and US Canadian Minerals. On the day following a statement by CEO Rendal Williams to expect “some exciting announcements in the next few days”, and only one day before a huge CMKX/USCA shareholder appreciation event begins in Las Vegas, two separate attacks have been launched with precision. US Canadian Minerals stock had also just rallied strongly again on Wednesday to close at a split adjusted $5.65 (pre-split $16.95). Anyone short this stock would have experienced tremendous losses over the past month.
Although a formal statement has not been issued in response at this hour by either company, we expect both CMKM Diamonds and US Canadian Minerals to successfully and quickly resolve any questions that are being raised by the interested parties. U.S. Canadian Minerals just got done announcing on Tuesday October 25 that it had initiated preparations for compliance with the upcoming additional requirements under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002. The Green Baron Report notes that this is typically not the type of announcement that comes from a company that has done something wrong.
It seems very odd that the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission chose this precise moment to inquire about trading activity that probably took place a year ago in CMKM Diamonds. The Green Baron Report is convinced there are other forces at hand that do not want CMKM Diamonds to be successful, and they chose this exact moment to launch its smear campaign.
The Green Baron Report has been told that former SEC attorney D. Roger Glenn will be involved in responding to both inquiries. Again, we are confident that Mr. Glenn’s vast experience with the SEC will resolve these issues in a very timely and professional manner. In the meantime, we will gladly wait for resolution of these matters, and for CMKM Diamonds to become what we still believe will be The Stock Play of a Lifetime.
Posted by GHOST on :
Joseph posted this, so I assume its new
I have not confirmed it!Joined: 06 Mar 2004
Posts: 678
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:12 pm Post subject:
Green Baron Special Stock UpdateCMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) &
U.S. Canadian Minerals (USCA)
Shareholder Appreciation Event Last Weekend in Las Vegas is a First Class Event, but No Balloons are Dropped!
Two partners of our parent company, Evergreen Marketing, Inc., attended the CMKX/USCA (pre-split UCAD) shareholder appreciation event in Las Vegas last weekend. Although we had originally anticipated that the companies’ respected attorney D. Roger Glenn would be speaking at the primary event held Saturday night, the temporary halt in trading of U.S. Canadian Minerals by the SEC last Thursday obviously put all planned speaking engagements on hold. The Green Baron Report believes a strict gag order is being enforced over all related officers and directors during the SEC inquiry period.The party was a success in that it provided a wonderful opportunity for well over 2000 shareholders to meet one another face to face and share insight about these companies. Just about everyone agreed that CMKM Diamonds and U.S. Canadian Minerals put on an absolute first class event that included bountiful amounts of food, entertainment, and souvenirs. The individuals that organized all the weekend’s activities as well as the many shareholders that volunteered time to help should be complimented for producing the best “Shareholder Appreciation Event” one could expect or imagine.
However, the event disappointed many in that there was no public acknowledgment or explanation whatsoever to address the many concerns that we as shareholders continue to have about CMKX share structure, a filing date to become fully reporting, suppressed movement, and an estimated valuation of mineral assets. There were some people that traveled from outside the country in hopes to gain some knowledge first hand that might demonstrate a bright future. Green Baron representatives even remained curious during the event since a huge balloon drop had been rigged in front of the main staging area indicating the possibility of a blockbuster announcement. Of course, there were no speeches and the balloons did not fall from the rafters.
If is unfortunate that some of the original plans for the party were likely altered due to the seemingly consorted attack on these companies just a few days earlier. As we stated in our update last Thursday night, October 28, ”The Green Baron Report thinks now more than ever it is obvious a short position exists in the shares of US Canadian Minerals (USCA) and CMKM Diamonds (CMKX).” Upon further investigation over the weekend, we are utterly convinced that there is a very large short/naked short situation involved in the companies’ stocks. The Green Baron Report has confidence that USCA and CMKX with its massive shareholder base will emerge stronger than ever from any inquiry, and we are hopeful that the SEC will instead enforce its rules on the few that may be illegally shorting stocks.
The Green Baron representatives that were in Vegas wish to express their deepest gratitude and thanks to those that read our newsletter and support our efforts. We received an enormous amount of positive feedback from members at the party for all our work in following these companies. We do our best to provide logical and well-substantiated information about all the low priced stocks we follow, and we hope that you will continue to find our information helpful.
This may sound a little monotonous to those that have followed our newsletter since we upgraded CMKM Diamonds to our storied home page of profiled stocks last August, but The Green Baron Report again remains convinced that CMKM Diamonds is nearing a positive new stage of its development and activity. We believe that the Company retains rights on some of the most mineral rich land in the world, and it will soon be clear that CMKM Diamonds is The Stock Play of a Lifetime.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
From the above Green Baron repost:"The party was a success in that it provided a wonderful opportunity for well over 2000 shareholders to meet one another face to face and share insight about these companies."
***********************************Yeah, and almost caused a riot!!! LOL
Talk to you all later.
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by GHOST:
Joseph posted this, so I assume its new
I have not confirmed it!Joined: 06 Mar 2004
Posts: 678
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:12 pm Post subject:
Green Baron Special Stock UpdateCMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) &
U.S. Canadian Minerals (USCA)
Shareholder Appreciation Event Last Weekend in Las Vegas is a First Class Event, but No Balloons are Dropped!
Two partners of our parent company, Evergreen Marketing, Inc., attended the CMKX/USCA (pre-split UCAD) shareholder appreciation event in Las Vegas last weekend. Although we had originally anticipated that the companies’ respected attorney D. Roger Glenn would be speaking at the primary event held Saturday night, the temporary halt in trading of U.S. Canadian Minerals by the SEC last Thursday obviously put all planned speaking engagements on hold. The Green Baron Report believes a strict gag order is being enforced over all related officers and directors during the SEC inquiry period.The party was a success in that it provided a wonderful opportunity for well over 2000 shareholders to meet one another face to face and share insight about these companies. Just about everyone agreed that CMKM Diamonds and U.S. Canadian Minerals put on an absolute first class event that included bountiful amounts of food, entertainment, and souvenirs. The individuals that organized all the weekend’s activities as well as the many shareholders that volunteered time to help should be complimented for producing the best “Shareholder Appreciation Event” one could expect or imagine.
However, the event disappointed many in that there was no public acknowledgment or explanation whatsoever to address the many concerns that we as shareholders continue to have about CMKX share structure, a filing date to become fully reporting, suppressed movement, and an estimated valuation of mineral assets. There were some people that traveled from outside the country in hopes to gain some knowledge first hand that might demonstrate a bright future. Green Baron representatives even remained curious during the event since a huge balloon drop had been rigged in front of the main staging area indicating the possibility of a blockbuster announcement. Of course, there were no speeches and the balloons did not fall from the rafters.
If is unfortunate that some of the original plans for the party were likely altered due to the seemingly consorted attack on these companies just a few days earlier. As we stated in our update last Thursday night, October 28, ”The Green Baron Report thinks now more than ever it is obvious a short position exists in the shares of US Canadian Minerals (USCA) and CMKM Diamonds (CMKX).” Upon further investigation over the weekend, we are utterly convinced that there is a very large short/naked short situation involved in the companies’ stocks. The Green Baron Report has confidence that USCA and CMKX with its massive shareholder base will emerge stronger than ever from any inquiry, and we are hopeful that the SEC will instead enforce its rules on the few that may be illegally shorting stocks.
The Green Baron representatives that were in Vegas wish to express their deepest gratitude and thanks to those that read our newsletter and support our efforts. We received an enormous amount of positive feedback from members at the party for all our work in following these companies. We do our best to provide logical and well-substantiated information about all the low priced stocks we follow, and we hope that you will continue to find our information helpful.
This may sound a little monotonous to those that have followed our newsletter since we upgraded CMKM Diamonds to our storied home page of profiled stocks last August, but The Green Baron Report again remains convinced that CMKM Diamonds is nearing a positive new stage of its development and activity. We believe that the Company retains rights on some of the most mineral rich land in the world, and it will soon be clear that CMKM Diamonds is The Stock Play of a Lifetime.
Thanks for the report Ghost.
[This message has been edited by Esteban (edited November 01, 2004).]
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
it sounds to me like the green baron has drank the coolaid as well.what a bunch of blind fools.
i keep picturing that ostrich with its head in the sand. the sand is cmkx sand. once called quick sand.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Does this mean we can include Green Baron in our lawsuits??quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
it sounds to me like the green baron has drank the coolaid as well.what a bunch of blind fools.
i keep picturing that ostrich with its head in the sand. the sand is cmkx sand. once called quick sand.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
it sounds to me like the green baron has drank the coolaid as well.what a bunch of blind fools.
i keep picturing that ostrich with its head in the sand. the sand is cmkx sand. once called quick sand.
Look, why don't you go cry to your mamma?
I don't care.
To me you're defacing company property.
I think you get what you pay for.
It's not like CMKX is microsoft or anything.
It's a sub-penny stock.Why don't you just chill...If you're going to get the payout on this one you're looking for you're just going to have to wait a while maybe year(s).That, or it may not even happen.That's the risk you take(took) on any sub-penny stock.
There are many others out there while you're waiting.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
take a pill there highway.i can wait this out till i retire in 20 years if i have to. i havent got a cent invested at this point. i drew my proffits out of this whe the price spiked back in July. my shares are freebies.
Deface company property? i would if i though they hadn't already done it their selves.
we are quite aware that it is a sub penny stock, and that it always will be a sub penny stock. there isnt enough diamonds in the whole of canada to float this company now with this float of shares. not umless they do a 6000-1 r/s like IVHO just did.
crying not me i will never cry at a stock as i have not invested anythign that im not prepaired to loose.
you are right that CMKX is not like Microsoft. Even Microsoft isnt this badly diluted.
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Look, why don't you go cry to your mamma?
I don't care.
To me you're defacing company property.
I think you get what you pay for.
It's not like CMKX is microsoft or anything.
It's a sub-penny stock.Why don't you just chill...If you're going to get the payout on this one you're looking for you're just going to have to wait a while maybe year(s).That, or it may not even happen.That's the risk you take(took) on any sub-penny stock.
There are many others out there while you're waiting.[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited November 01, 2004).]
Posted by sharkus on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
take a pill there highway.i can wait this out till i retire in 20 years if i have to. i havent got a cent invested at this point. i drew my proffits out of this whe the price spiked back in July. my shares are freebies.
Deface company property? i would if i though they hadn't already done it their selves.
we are quite aware that it is a sub penny stock, and that it always will be a sub penny stock. there isnt enough diamonds in the whole of canada to float this company now with this float of shares. not umless they do a 6000-1 r/s like IVHO just did.
crying not me i will never cry at a stock as i have not invested anythign that im not prepaired to loose.
you are right that CMKX is not like Microsoft. Even Microsoft isnt this badly diluted.
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited November 01, 2004).]
you mama's boy ... i dont think even a 6000/1 would help. Since we are in the territory of multiples of billions of shares .. why not something near the 10,000 to 1 or LOL 100,000 to 1. Oh well .. either way - I'll call you up 20 years from today (putting it in my calendar) to take a look at our shares
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78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by dwman on :
LOL sharkus... I thing you have the gender wrong there.
Posted by ed19363 on :
So I guess none of these companies are gonna tell us anything, just let us dangle in the wind?
Posted by sarki316 on :
CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) and U.S. Canadian Minerals (USCA)
Shareholders Party is a blast in more ways than you can imagine
November 2, 2004 Thousands converge on Texas Station and the long
awaited CMKX/USCA Shareholders Party.Las Vegas, Nevada was the site of the long awaited and recently held
shareholder's party held by CMKM Diamonds Inc. and U. S. Canadian
Minerals. The event was a first class bash worthy of large
Corporations like Microsoft and General Motors. To see such an
elaborate display by a company for its shareholders in an Over The
Counter Bulletin Board stock is unheard of. What is the mystique
behind these two companies that drew over 2000 people to travel from
all over the world to attend such an event? Gold and Diamonds! Not
really, many shareholders came out to meet CEO Urban Casavant and
see the man whose vision of making one million millionaires has
become legendary among Pink Sheet Stock companies.
The much built-up event was surrounded for months with rumors of a
celebration of a diamond find and potential increases in the
company's stock price. Originally over 8000 had registered for the
event hoping to have the money to attend by the time the party was
held. Many came to meet D. Roger Glenn the noted New York Attorney
well known for his involvement in authoring the Sarbanes-Oxley Act
and several books concerning naked short selling in the OTCBB
exchanges.Although plans to attend did not work out for some shareholders,
still many came despite the recent complaints filed against CMKM
Diamonds Inc. and U. S. Canadian Minerals by unknown individuals
suspected to be from an offshore hedge fund company. Obviously
orchestrated to ruin the party, this coordinated attack against the
two companies did nothing to dissuade shareholders from attending
the event. The complaints, one filed in Canada with the Saskatchewan
government against individuals of CMKM Diamonds and the other
complaints filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission in the
U.S. caused USCA to be suspended last week. The claim that U. S.
Canadian Minerals sought to hype its stock to force a run up so that
management can dump their shares and leave their shareholders
holding the bag with a company that has no value. Allegations easily
proved wrong by U. S. Canadian Minerals evidenced by their prompt
response to the SEC in providing the necessary documents to prove
the claims made by their press releases and their soon to be filed
3rd Quarter report.Shareholders arrived in droves that evening anticipating blockbuster
announcements and disclosure of the company's share structure and
news that would indicate when CMKX would be a fully reporting
company. The party was short lived after a video was shown that was
purported to be "self-explanatory" failed to provided the answers
many shareholders were expecting. At the conclusion of the video,
the band resumed playing and was abruptly stopped by a woman only
known as "Leslie" from Alberta Canada. Leslie walked on stage and
demanded the band "Love Shack" stop playing and give her the
microphone where she proceeded to complain about having come to the
event to get and answers and not having received any. The confusions
and uncertainties caused by this action resulted in the conclusion
of the party as the interruption was perceived as a security risk in
a time when public safety is paramount.During the ensuing after math of questions and complaints by
disgruntled and confused shareholders seeking answers to what
happened. Ed Dhonau, CEO of Nevada Minerals and many others provided
information that quickly and easily quelled the mass quasi-hysteria
at the event. According to Mr. Dhonau, there were additional
activities, videos and announcements that would have left
shareholders feeling great about their investments. One of the
biggest and obvious occurrences that evening as explained by Mr.
Dhonau was the self-imposed gag on both companies by D. Roger Glenn.
The gag order meant to protect the company from any further
complaints by the SEC and the Saskatchewan government did little to
comfort the shareholders but was understood by all to be the prudent
thing to do.Regardless, the festivities still promised much more for its
shareholders including the announcement of the company's new
Sarbanes-Oxley compliant Advisory Board, which is rumored to have
some reputable names that would have appeased the shareholder's need
for information. Even though the party ended abruptly, it does not
change the facts that U.S. Canadian Minerals is answering the call
of the SEC on these complaints and expects to be trading once again
in the coming week. The complaints if anything served to bring
additional notoriety and attention to the two companies despite
their enemy's attempts to discourage shareholders through these
desperate actions.CMKM Diamonds Inc. and U. S. Canadian Minerals are in
Zoomingstocks.com's opinion companies working had to put together a
fundamentally sound business enterprise that will endure the trials
and tribulations of the naked short sellers and emerge as premier
notable companies in the mining industry. They are without a doubt
close to achieving their goals to be among the strongest and well-
known companies in mining and are on the verge of success. The
complaints filed against the companies are obvious attacks by person
(s) who are panicking knowing the short cover is coming and will
stop at nothing to throw roadblocks at the two companies. Truth and
justice will always prevail and in the case of CMKM Diamonds Inc.
and U.S. Canadian Minerals, this is just the beginning.Zoomingstocks.com will continue to cover and provide through its
newsletter updates on these two companies as they near their goals.
Zoomingstocks.com would like to convey its sincerest appreciation
and gratitude to CMKM Diamonds Inc. and U.S. Canadian Minerals for
the wonderful, memorable event in Las Vegas and all the work done on
behalf of shareholders worldwide. It appears that they are ready to
go to the next level and Zoomingstocks.com will be there along side
reporting and keeping its subscribers informed as events unroll.Zoomingstocks.com would like to thank the many shareholders who
provided positive feedback and express their gratitude to CMKX and
USCA for this memorable event.Learn more...
CMKM Diamonds is expected to be a fully reporting OTCBB company and preliminary reports of a huge valuation and well
established fundamentals are already being whispered about in boards
and forums throughout the Internet.
Zoomingstocks.com looks forward to providing in depth profiling of
this extremely promising venture to its readers in the future.
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Posted by JEAL on :
Press Release Source: Shore Gold Inc.
Star Diamond Project: Over 2,100 carats to date - 19.7, 11.6 and 8.1 carat diamonds in 309 carat parcel
Tuesday November 2, 1:11 pm ET
Stock Symbol: SGF: TSX-VEN
SASKATOON, SK, Nov. 2 /CNW/ - George H. Read, P. Geo., Senior Vice President Exploration, is pleased to announce the ninth set of diamond recoveries from the Star Kimberlite. The diamond recoveries to date total 2,120.68 carats from 16,206.88 dry tonnes processed. These results are for seven kimberlite batches of a total of some 80 to 100 kimberlite batches that will be processed as part of the bulk sampling program on the Star Diamond Project, the aim of which is to recover a parcel of some 3,000 carats for valuation purposes. A total of 2,162 commercial sized diamonds (greater than 1.18 millimetre square mesh screen), collectively weighing 304.52 carats, has been recovered from the treatment of 1,630.94 dry tonnes of kimberlite. Forty-two diamonds greater than one carat have been recovered and the four largest stones are: 19.68, 11.57, 8.07 and 5.31 carats, respectively. In addition, 292 diamonds (4.43 carats) were recovered down to 0.85 millimetre square mesh. The colour of 73 percent of these diamonds has been classified as white, with a further 11 percent classified as off-white.
These seven kimberlite batches (of a total of 50 processed) have been mined from the Southeast drive (Batches 35A, 35B, 36, 37, 38A and 38B) and the North drive (Batch 40) developed from the 235 metre shaft station. All of these kimberlite batches have been recovered from within the Early Joli Fou equivalent kimberlite. Results to date have shown that higher diamond grades are associated with the Early Joli Fou equivalent kimberlite than with the Late Joli Fou equivalent kimberlite. The relationships between these two kimberlites types are illustrated in cross sections available on the Shore Gold website: www.shoregold.com.Batches 39, 41, 42A, 42B, 43, 44, 45A and 45B (all from 235 metre level) have been processed on-site and the concentrates dispatched to the sorting laboratory for final diamond recovery. Results from these batches are pending. A total of 18,600 dry tonnes has been processed through the on-site DMS plant. All batches processed to date are classified as crater facies volcaniclastic kimberlites.
Kimberlite processed and diamond results for seven sample batches are listed in the table below. Grades are expressed in carats per hundred tonnes (cpht).
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Diamonds Largest
Batch Location Dry Number of Total Grade Stone
No. (metres below surface) Tonnes Stones (carats) (cpht) (carats)
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35A 235 m Level: SE drive 193.81 282 20.20 10.42 1.22
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35B 235 m Level: SE drive 205.07 319 45.02 21.96 11.57
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36 235 m Level: SE drive 239.21 353 56.50 23.62 5.31
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37 235 m Level: SE drive 254.85 568 53.35 20.94 3.87
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38A 235 m Level: SE drive 185.83 211 38.92 20.94 8.07
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38B 235 m Level: SE drive 264.56 383 48.69 18.40 4.77
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40 235 m Level: N drive 287.61 338 46.27 16.09 19.68
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Total 1,630.94 2,454 308.95 18.94
-------------------------------------------------------------------------The four largest stones are: 19.68 (Batch 40, Off White), 11.57
(Batch 35B, Grey), 8.07 (Batch 38A, Off White) and 5.31 (Batch 36, Brown)
carats, respectively. Seventeen diamonds exceed two carats and 42 diamonds
exceed one carat, of which 22 are white, 10 are off-white, 9 are grey and 1 is
brown. A total of 94 diamonds exceed 0.5 carat. Seventy-three percent of the
total diamond parcel is classified white in colour, with a further 11 percent
classified as off-white. The diamond parcel includes 11 pink, 23 yellow and 14
amber stones. Ninety-nine percent of the carat weight of this parcel occurs in
diamonds greater than 1.18 millimetre square mesh.
Senior Vice President Exploration, George Read, states: "To date,
kimberlite bulk sample processing has produced a 2,120 carat diamond parcel.
The diamond parcel contains a significant proportion of large stones and an
abundance of white diamonds, which will contribute favourably to the average
value ultimately determined for the bulk sample diamond parcel. Among the most
recent batches processed we have recovered two stones of particularly high
value: 1) the 19.68 carat off white, fragment of a considerably larger stone,
recovered from Batch 40. The fresh breakage surface suggests that this stone
was broken during underground mining activities; and 2) the 4.77 carat white,
flawless octahedron recovered from Batch 38B. These stones confirm the
presence of large, high value diamonds in the Star Kimberlite. Photographs of
these two diamonds will be available this week on the Shore Gold website: www.shoregold.com
The diamond recovery procedure includes on site processing of kimberlite
through the modular dense media separator (DMS), after which DMS concentrates
are batch fed through an X-ray Flow-sort. In order to ensure the recovery of
low luminosity diamonds, the Flow-sort tailings are processed over a grease
table. Flow-sort and grease table concentrates are transported by a secure
carrier to SGS Lakefield Research for final diamond recovery. The SGS
Lakefield Research process includes drying, screening, magnetic separation,
manual sorting and diamond weighing and description. SGS Lakefield Research is
accredited to the ISO/IEC 17025 standard by the Standards Council of Canada as
a testing laboratory for specific tests.
Senior Vice President Exploration, George Read, Professional Geoscientist
in the Provinces of Saskatchewan and British Columbia, is the Qualified Person
responsible for the verification and quality assurance of analytical results.
The Star Diamond Project is designed to recover a parcel of at least
3,000 carats of diamonds to enable an accurate valuation of the stones. Up to
25,000 tonnes of kimberlite will be recovered from the shaft and drifts and
processed on site to produce this diamond parcel. Shore is a Canadian based
corporation engaged in the acquisition, exploration and development of mineral
properties. Shares of the Company trade on the TSX Venture Exchange under the
trading symbol "SGF"."The TSX Venture Exchange has not reviewed and does not accept
responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this release"
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/orgDisplay.cgi?okey=14555
Posted by Upside on :
Sarki,
How about being fair and balanced when you post something like this? This is taken from their site:Zoomingstocks.com is a joint partnership venture by Jose "elcaminocb" Davila and Andy "Oaks" Hill prominently known on Raging Bull and other Internet Forum's and Blogs including PalTalk and Yahoo Groups. Their combined investing, business, promotions and technology experience will provide a robust informative investing tool for their subscribers.
Elcamino is one of Paltalks biggest CMKX pumpers as I'm sure you know.
Or how about their current list of "hot picks"? A total of 7 stocks, 4 of which are CMKX, USCA, GEMM, and SGGM. Sounds like a nice impartial site to me.
Posted by sharkus on :
United Carina, Consolidated Pine recover Smeaton claims2004-11-02 13:59 ET - News Release
Also News Release (C-KPG) Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp
Mr. Rick Walker reports
United Carina Resources Corp. and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. advise that four lapsed mineral claims that formed part of a joint venture property in the Smeaton area of Saskatchewan have been reacquired by staking on Nov. 1, 2004. The four claims were staked by Seagrove Capital Corp. on behalf of the companies and form part of a 27-claim joint venture with CMKM Diamonds Inc. and U.S. Canadian Minerals.
The companies also acquired by staking three other claims to the northwest of the Fort a la Corne area of Saskatchewan.
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78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by JEAL on :
Nice find
quote:
Originally posted by sharkus:
United Carina, Consolidated Pine recover Smeaton claims2004-11-02 13:59 ET - News Release
Also News Release (C-KPG) Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp
Mr. Rick Walker reports
United Carina Resources Corp. and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. advise that four lapsed mineral claims that formed part of a joint venture property in the Smeaton area of Saskatchewan have been reacquired by staking on Nov. 1, 2004. The four claims were staked by Seagrove Capital Corp. on behalf of the companies and form part of a 27-claim joint venture with CMKM Diamonds Inc. and U.S. Canadian Minerals.
The companies also acquired by staking three other claims to the northwest of the Fort a la Corne area of Saskatchewan.
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
take a pill there highway.i can wait this out till i retire in 20 years if i have to. i havent got a cent invested at this point. i drew my proffits out of this whe the price spiked back in July. my shares are freebies.
Deface company property? i would if i though they hadn't already done it their selves.
we are quite aware that it is a sub penny stock, and that it always will be a sub penny stock. there isnt enough diamonds in the whole of canada to float this company now with this float of shares. not umless they do a 6000-1 r/s like IVHO just did.
crying not me i will never cry at a stock as i have not invested anythign that im not prepaired to loose.
you are right that CMKX is not like Microsoft. Even Microsoft isnt this badly diluted.
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited November 01, 2004).]
Hey Penny-trader....do you know something the rest of us don't know about the share structure? I think not. Thanks for your concern for our investment.[This message has been edited by WorkAHolic (edited November 02, 2004).]
[This message has been edited by WorkAHolic (edited November 02, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Workaholic:
quote:
Why are you interested in this stock?Because he's a shareholder?
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Workaholic:
Because he's a shareholder?Upside, thanks for clarifying. I missed the part of him having free shares. I was more interested in the share structure part. I was led to believe from that post that penny-trader had some information about the share structure that I missed, since it was stated as such.
Also, If I have any additional questions for penny-trader, should I address them to you?
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Workaholic:
quote:
I was led to believe from that post that penny-trader had some information about the share structure that I missed, since it was stated as such.No you weren't led to believe that, you were being your usual nit-picking, somehat irritating self.
Also posted by Workaholic:
quote:
Also, If I have any additional questions for penny-trader, should I address them to you?Well, I'd be more than happy to continue pointing out your errors but I'd run that one by penny-trader first.
Posted by dwman on :
Posted by Highwaychild on :
http://new.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-391843-C:UCA&symbol=UCA&news_region=C
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
http://new.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-391843-C: UCA&symbol=UCA&news_region=CLooks to me that UC let a few slide... eh?
And it seems darn rude that CMKM has not said a thing to shareholders about it.
The green baron mentions that they "believe" CMKM has to keep quiet. What I am wondering is why... ?? The stop order is not on the US market and NOT CMKX. So I still believe that UC was thinking that since he has such a cult following he could continue bluffing.These fluffy PR's about the party is pretty sad. The pictures from there sure didn't show much of a turn out... lol.
Posted by AoneFischer on :
It does'nt work that way.Re read the bible. God is not going to make this happen to show you it does'nt work that way.God does not influence you to buy a stock.Like i said iam a christian and pray everyday.The way i take it his message was he is not a broker.NLOL ------------------------
Basically my point is that God is in ultimate control not the market makers or roger glenn, if he wants this to take off it will . Prayer should be involved in all decisions, whether it is for haveing peace about investing in a stock or asking forgiviness of our sins. The Bible gives directions on all areas of life and your finicial situation god is very specific. Everything we have is because of him not because of us. Of course i dont believe you should put a gun to your head and say "God if you dont want me to die then this bullet wont kill me" I agree that we have to use common sense in our decisions. It should be in balance--knoweledge,wisdom, and understanding. As regaurds to the stock i believe you cant just use your common knoweledge because this is something that doesnt occur often so its worth the ride to see the outcome. Might be a hard learning experience for some whether it hits or not. I guess time will tell. Go Cmkx
Posted by kevy0899 on :
Just read this from businesswire when I searched the symbol GEMM. I am new to trading and was wondering if this was of any interest to anyone or could explain. Thanks.Sorry.. the more I read the more I realized it wasnt relevent..
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Posted by Penny-Trader on :
Ill be looking for that call
quote:
Originally posted by sharkus:
you mama's boy ... i dont think even a 6000/1 would help. Since we are in the territory of multiples of billions of shares .. why not something near the 10,000 to 1 or LOL 100,000 to 1. Oh well .. either way - I'll call you up 20 years from today (putting it in my calendar) to take a look at our shares
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
no he doesnt. so stop daydreaming about me that way.
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
LOL sharkus... I thing you have the gender wrong there.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
http://new.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-391843-C:UCA&symbol=UCA&news_region=C
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
Looks to me that UC let a few slide... eh?
And it seems darn rude that CMKM has not said a thing to shareholders about it.
The green baron mentions that they "believe" CMKM has to keep quiet. What I am wondering is why... ?? The stop order is not on the US market and NOT CMKX. So I still believe that UC was thinking that since he has such a cult following he could continue bluffing.These fluffy PR's about the party is pretty sad. The pictures from there sure didn't show much of a turn out... lol.
So you got all that from that little tid-bit of news?LOL
All I got from it was that it was still in the family.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i can handle your questions so lay them on me.. but i do not mind Upside answering as well.you asked a question about outstanding shares. you well know that the os is at least 779 billion shares. anyone that denies that to be true has their head in gthe CMKX sand.
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
Upside, thanks for clarifying. I missed the part of him having free shares. I was more interested in the share structure part. I was led to believe from that post that penny-trader had some information about the share structure that I missed, since it was stated as such.Also, If I have any additional questions for penny-trader, should I address them to you?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
You asked a question about outstanding shares. you well know that the os is at least 779 billion shares. anyone that denies that to be true has their head in the CMKX sand.
Oh well...Got to take the good with the bad.LOL
I have a question IF, CMKX can start to produce rev. with the Eq. gold mine here a month from now (via the CORRECTING and REPLACING CMKM Diamonds, Inc. Announces the Success of Its Integrated Business Plan Goes Into Effect in Ecuador
Tuesday October 19, 3:31 pm ET
PORTOVELO, Ecuador--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 19, 2004--In BW5446 issued Oct. 19, 2004: Please replace the release with the following corrected version due to multiple revisions.
The corrected release reads:CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. ANNOUNCES THE SUCCESS OF ITS INTEGRATED BUSINESS PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT IN ECUADOR
CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets:CMKX - News) headed by its CEO Urban Casavant and his advisory team accompanied by the company's SEC attorney Roger Glenn successfully concluded the major ownership acquisition of the established American Mine here in Portovelo today. CMKM Diamonds and its operating partner Minera Nevada SA a subsidiary of Nevada Minerals, Inc. of Las Vegas, Nevada will manage a major corridor of gold production inside this region. The current yield coming through the American Mine is 40 tons of gold ore on a daily average. Alejandro Diaz, President of Minera Nevada SA exclaims, "Within the next 6 working weeks the production will raise to a steady 80 tons of gold ore per work day as we start our second shift of underground mining team." Diaz continues, "All will be done to ramp the mining production to complete our obligations to Yellow River and US Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD - News) for their addition of two additional mills to Yellow River and the new production facility of the Buza coming on line over the next 90 days to build up to 300 tons of gold ore processing per day to satisfy the volume increase of the American Mine build up of production."
The advisory team had members from legal, accounting, operations and feasibility to assess all probabilities on expansion and further development of other opportunities from CMKX, UCAD, and Nevada Minerals. The team was introduced to the on ground executive team that will lead the way through the start up phase one process. US Canadian Minerals CEO Rendal Williams explains, "UCAD has considerable time and dollars invested here in South America, especially Ecuador. We believe there is a major shift of technologies that this region has been starving for and we as UCAD plan to lead the way and share this knowledge with those who wish to expand their current ore production."
The American Mine sits inside the Zaruma-Portovelo Mining District. This district has a recorded historic production of more than 4.5 million ounces of gold and 19 million ounces of silver, as well as significant tonnages of copper, zinc and lead concentrates.
The American Mine located in Portovelo, Ecuador consists of a 100 ton hoist system that will from up to the depth of one of its 13 levels, deliver gold ore to the surface to a 35 ton drop shoot that will be supported by a jaw crusher and a cone crusher to minimize processing time for expedited production flow at the Yellow River Processing Plant. Urban Casavant CEO of CMKX said, "Through the combined efforts of all the parties in this venture we have gathered a new frontier for the well being of our shareholders and company alike. The company will be moving rapidly into a revenue model here in the fourth quarter."
There is no guarantee that further exploration or drilling will produce any economic benefit to the company or the shareholders of the company.
This press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release. pr) and the last pr... CMKM Diamonds Inc. and Minera Nevada S.A. Announce First Ore Production and Shipment
Wednesday October 27, 2:32 pm ET
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 27, 2004--Minera Nevada S.A. and CMKM Diamonds Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX - News) proudly announced today that the first week of gold ore has been mined at the American Mine in Ecuador and has been shipped to U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc.'s (OTC BB: USCA - News) Yellow River processing facility for immediate ore extraction.
Urban Casavant, president of CMKM Diamonds Inc., exclaimed, "It's an exciting day for the CMKX shareholders. Our diversification plan is well underway and moving toward revenue and income."Further details relative to this matter can be found at http://www.uscanadian.net/.
www.casavantmining.comThis press release contains "forward-looking" statements as that term is defined by Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Securities Act"), as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (the "Exchange Act"), as amended. All statements that are included in this press release other than statements of historical fact are "forward-looking" statements. Although management believes that the expectations reflecting in these forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations as disclosed herein, including without limitation, in conjunction with these forward-looking statements contained in this press release.
Do you think they can buy back some shares?
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
i can handle your questions so lay them on me.. but i do not mind Upside answering as well.you asked a question about outstanding shares. you well know that the os is at least 779 billion shares. anyone that denies that to be true has their head in gthe CMKX sand.
Maybe you should run that question by Upside, since he seems to think he's got me figured out. He believes I'm a nickpicking, irritating person, yet he has no idea of what kind of person I am. I guess that's the way he judges everything he deals with, including this stock.
Penny-trader, you didn't allude to the OS, you mentiond the FLOAT. I think there's a difference. But what does this irritating individual know..
You guys gang up on anyone with an opposing, albeit positive view of this stock. I don't want a fight, I'm hoping for something better.
Upside, when I want your answers to my questions, I'll ask you. You don't have to answer until you run them by whomever you want to. Just wait until you're addressed.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
your right i made reffderence to Float when i ment O/Sin my opinion they are probably close to the same
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
Maybe you should run that question by Upside, since he seems to think he's got me figured out. He believes I'm a nickpicking, irritating person, yet he has no idea of what kind of person I am. I guess that's the way he judges everything he deals with, including this stock.Penny-trader, you didn't allude to the OS, you mentiond the FLOAT. I think there's a difference. But what does this irritating individual know..
You guys gang up on anyone with an opposing, albeit positive view of this stock. I don't want a fight, I'm hoping for something better.
Upside, when I want your answers to my questions, I'll ask you. You don't have to answer until you run them by whomever you want to. Just wait until you're addressed.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
yes i do think they can. but do i think they will Definitely not.they will be a long time before they are going to turn out a profit from their share of the gold mine.
there is not instant income in this game. there are a lot of costs that have to be covered before you ever see a profit enough to even think about a buyback of the stock. if it was his intention to buy back he would never have diluted to this point in the first place.
you will see one mother of a reverse split before you ever see a buyback in this company.
IMHO
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
Oh well...Got to take the good with the bad.LOLI have a question
Do you think they can buy back some shares?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
yes i do think they can. but do i think they will Definitely not.they will be a long time before they are going to turn out a profit from their share of the gold mine.
there is not instant income in this game. there are a lot of costs that have to be covered before you ever see a profit enough to even think about a buyback of the stock. if it was his intention to buy back he would never have diluted to this point in the first place.
you will see one mother of a reverse split before you ever see a buyback in this company.
IMHO
It's not like they have to drill for the gold
they are in this with an operative gold mine I hope it's quicker then we think.GLTY
Posted by Esteban on :
Did anyone on this board attend the meeting in Vegas? Has anyone talked to anyone that did? Sure would be nice to get some first hand information.
Steve
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by Esteban:
Did anyone on this board attend the meeting in Vegas? Has anyone talked to anyone that did? Sure would be nice to get some first hand information.
SteveWouldn't though?
I'll call up Urban now...LOL...Well he wasn't home but his butlers' nephews' grandson awnsered and said...LOL
I can't hardly trust much 1st hand coming from a mes. board.GLTY
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by Esteban:
Did anyone on this board attend the meeting in Vegas? Has anyone talked to anyone that did? Sure would be nice to get some first hand information.
SteveI'd say this may be close to 1st hand cause I'd say he was probably there.
This too is for Will... FYI ...LOL hope you're doin' allright buddy.
------------------------------------------------------------------About the Las Vegas Party...
The party was OUTSTANDING! It was very well organized. The ending was the only thing that didn’t work out as we all had hoped. I think that it was due to miscommunication which further set the stage for misinterpretation. Because of such, I think it left both the shareholders and those who organized the party feeling underappreciated. I do think that after time had elapse, both sides understood where each other had misinterpreted key thoughts. Still all in all, the party was very well organized. I don’t see the need to begin crying over spilled milk. Especially after it has already been cleaned up so I will not rehash any of those thoughts because the party was not the primary reason why we invested. I think we must remain positive and move forward.
The logistics for putting that type of party together was extraordinary. Good job to Christina Hanneman and all those who were responsible. Many have no idea what she went through to make such happen for us. I do and I along with many others are very thankful to have her as part of the TEAM!
I think we should understand that the party was nothing more than a shareholder’s appreciation party. It was easy for the party to be read into something more than what it was and there was nothing anybody could have done to stop such misinterpretations. I think it was fair to do so, but I think it is also fair that we must understand that there was more that was going to be announced that night and probably more that was retracted before the party to further change the overall plans for the party. The SEC complications was something that forced the party to be down played to a level of being conservative for airing on the side of caution. This is the guidance that was given by the companies’ legal counsel and so it had to be respected. We as shareholders have got to understand this. If not back then, then understand such now.
Trust me, Urban, Rendal, Ed, and TEAM CMKX/USCA are in no need of our money. They understand many of the shareholder’s current state. They know that they already have our money into their companies. They did not have to do this party to gain more shareholders or to get more money invested into their companies. The party was done as a huge show of confidence to help us to continue believing that we should stay the course. If these guys were crooks, they would not have wasted their time and efforts in even proving such. They would not have even put themselves out there in such an environment to be personally scrutinized and threatened. To me, they made a very powerful statement for us shareholders to continue believing.
Again, things changed and had to for conservative reasons. It was mentioned that they were going to announce the board members of CMKX. I think this was the primary announcement that did not take place, but would have set the stage for a positive ending for that night. In my opinion, the day that this announcement happens will be the day that all those who never believed in CMKX (or bashed) will become shareholders!!!
All is well!
;-)
Sterling
Posted by rde3 on :
You people's mouth's will drop to the floor when you find out the truth about CMKX. It is "truly" the Stock Play of A Lifetime.And you can "quote me" on that.
RDE3
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by rde3:
You people's mouth's will drop to the floor when you find out the truth about CMKX. It is "truly" the Stock Play of A Lifetime.And you can "quote me" on that.
RDE3Oh yea?...What you talkin' bout Willis?LOL
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
it will be the play of a life time alright.
but it will be the play of Urbans life time not ours
quote:
Originally posted by rde3:
You people's mouth's will drop to the floor when you find out the truth about CMKX. It is "truly" the Stock Play of A Lifetime.And you can "quote me" on that.
RDE3
Posted by Esteban on :
I hate to sound like a basher, but Sterlings letter sounds like a PR from CMKX. It will be interesting to see what information the next few days bring.
Steve
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
sterling is a paid pumper for CMKX. nothing more nothing less. i look at lim like melvin.
quote:
Originally posted by Esteban:
I hate to sound like a basher, but Sterlings letter sounds like a PR from CMKX. It will be interesting to see what information the next few days bring.
Steve
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
sterling is a paid pumper for CMKX. nothing more nothing less. i look at lim like melvin.
LOL, that's not very complimentary of either Sterling or Melvin. I don't think Melvin knows the difference between siccum or suckum.<G>
Steve
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
sterling is a paid pumper for CMKX. nothing more nothing less. i look at lim like melvin.
Can you show proof of this? Please don't quote Wallace#1.By the way, this is a direct question to you and not upside.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
go to palchat to have more then 50 people in a room you have to pay for that. You think Sterling is paying for it out of the goodness of his heart? look at the time that Sterling puts into this room. again do you think he is doing that out of the goodness of his heart? He pumps this thing harder then a boy scout with his first playboy book. its not for freei wont quote Wallace that would give me to much of an advantage. you obviously feel you cant beat his answers.
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
Can you show proof of this? Please don't quote Wallace#1.By the way, this is a direct question to you and not upside.
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Posted by Binky on :
Heads up bashers and anyone else who posts negativity about cmkm. You may have a group of ???? stalking you and your family's every move . Scary stuff.
blu1236
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posted on 3-11-2004 at 02:45
Freedom and others. I have talked to a few people about tracking bashers. It can be done. My sister knows of a group that can get us a picture of their house by tracking an ip. this is the information age. We can use it to our advantage. Locating bashers through common threads like similar ips bounced off the same sight in a foreign country. We could locate matching ips on other boards. Track who they are affiliating themselves with on boards and tracking their investment interests which may lead to who they are being paid by. I think all this may be easier than you think. How can I respond to an email "not interested" and the receiver of the email now knows who I am and where I live? It happens. Let's start pooling our resources of connections to the people that can help us. I know of at least two people on this board that can get us started and may help
blu
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by Binky:
Heads up bashers and anyone else who posts negativity about cmkm. You may have a group of ???? stalking you and your family's every move . Scary stuff.
blu1236
Family MemberOh My!
Are we supposed to be afraid? LOL LOL LOL
Heck, anyone can do a IP trace![This message has been edited by tradingpennys (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by tigertony on :
Well i am sure i am on that list.Any body who says anything bad to them is a basher.Just have them post,they can have my IP,my phone number,address,and an autographed photo if they like.I can also track catonic blind question nothing believe everything the master says blindly as pumpers.If i am a basher,they are most certainly PUMPERS.I have proof of my negativity, they have nothing but theory's.Lets go with facts and see who would look right on facts that are out.Christian Pumpers, Stalk bashers news at 11.00 LMAO Like i would'nt know who is doing this.quote:
Originally posted by Binky:
Heads up bashers and anyone else who posts negativity about cmkm. You may have a group of ???? stalking you and your family's every move . Scary stuff.
blu1236
Family Member
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
Can you show proof of this? Please don't quote Wallace#1.By the way, this is a direct question to you and not upside.
Sterling on paltalk admitted he was given 4 million shares for "helping at the races"... wink wink... as well has other paltalk admins.. 4million back then at .0004/.0005
and that other pumper Green Barron
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
go to palchat to have more then 50 people in a room you have to pay for that. You think Sterling is paying for it out of the goodness of his heart? look at the time that Sterling puts into this room. again do you think he is doing that out of the goodness of his heart? He pumps this thing harder then a boy scout with his first playboy book. its not for freei wont quote Wallace that would give me to much of an advantage. you obviously feel you cant beat his answers.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
[b]
Can you show proof of this? Please don't quote Wallace#1.By the way, this is a direct question to you and not upside.
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited November 03, 2004).][/B][/QUOTE]This is your proof? You dissappoint me. You also proved to me that your accusations are theory just as many others.
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Posted by ohsnap on :
http://www.cmkx.net/images/Vegas_7.mov
There's the rushing,drunk,beligerent,threatening woman that ruid the whole party! LOL god damn urban is a pussy..stupid cmkx'ers using her as a scapegoat for the crappy company as usualy not giving any info.
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Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by ohsnap:
Sterling on paltalk admitted he was given 4 million shares for "helping at the races"... wink wink... as well has other paltalk admins.. 4million back then at .0004/.0005and that other pumper Green Barron
I didn't hear that. Whether it's true or not cerainly can't be proved by you and certainly doesn't convict him as a paid pumper.ohsnap, what promted you to come to the aid of someone when you weren't even mentioned? Proved my theroy about ganging up. Anyone with a positive spin get's run through the ringer with half truths, partial quotes and juvenile attacks. Show me proof that Sterling was paid money or stock to pump this stock.
However, having stock in this company would indicate having a a favorable view of it. What's the agenda of those that criticize and state they would never buy this stock? The ONLY agenda of those that bash and don't own it, IMO, is a hidden agenda. My intentions are an open book. I bought and want it to succeed. Not blindly following, but constructively investigating.
The problem I have with the negative spin is not the negative spin, it's the total act of repulsion some on this and other boards have for anyone high on this stock. Talk about hypocrits. They're ugly in their comments, rude in their remarks, short on substance and long on humiliation of others. Hell, they even made fun of some poor guy at the races when all he was trying to do was help people out. They made fun of his looks and implied that anyone that was like that had to be trash. Their whole being is ugly. No, you can't convince me that some on this board who post regularly are decent people. It pains me to even get into a conversation with them. They're ugly, pitiful, scared, lonely individuals that wish their misery on others.
I'm getting back to Work.......
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Work wrote:Can you show proof of this? Please don't quote Wallace#1.
********************************What's the matter, Work, cannot handle the real facts? You prefer off the wall speculation, Melvin, Sterling, Dr Diamond and the Green Baron?
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Work wrote:Can you show proof of this? Please don't quote Wallace#1.
********************************What's the matter, Work, cannot handle the real facts? You prefer off the wall speculation, Melvin, Sterling, Dr Diamond and the Green Baron?
Hey Wallace, good morning. Thanks for the shout. You've got me pegged. I'm just a stupid, overworked, real estate investor, with outrageous dreams who always ignores the facts for spec-o-lation. I can tell you this...Neither Melvin, Sterling, Dr Diamond or the Green Baron have insulted, criticized, humiliated or ridiculed anyone on these boards. Besides their enthusiasm and hype of this stock, they have never indicated anything sinister. I don't think you can say the same thing.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Workaholic:
quote:
Their whole being is ugly. No, you can't convince me that some on this board who post regularly are decent people. It pains me to even get into a conversation with them. They're ugly, pitiful, scared, lonely individuals that wish their misery on others.Wow, you can glean all of that information about a person without ever meeting them? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, you are a real piece of work. Ugly, pitiful, scared, lonely individuals whose whole beings are ugly? I'm glad we have such non-judgmental people on board here.
Posted by bill1352 on :
WorkAHolic
Member posted November 03, 2004 09:16
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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Work wrote:
Can you show proof of this? Please don't quote Wallace#1.
********************************What's the matter, Work, cannot handle the real facts? You prefer off the wall speculation, Melvin, Sterling, Dr Diamond and the Green Baron?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hey Wallace, good morning. Thanks for the shout. You've got me pegged. I'm just a stupid, overworked, real estate investor, with outrageous dreams who always ignores the facts for spec-o-lation. I can tell you this...Neither Melvin, Sterling, Dr Diamond or the Green Baron have insulted, criticized, humiliated or ridiculed anyone on these boards. Besides their enthusiasm and hype of this stock, they have never indicated anything sinister. I don't think you can say the same thing.
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why would they tell the truth. i wont call cmkx a scam just yet but it sure isnt an honeest stock & those you mention are proof of its dishonesty. and a few months ago those same ppl you mention were insulting anyone that brought up the truth[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
Anyone else notice that USCA is now an invalid symbol? At least that's how it is on Ameritrade.
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Workaholic:
Wow, you can glean all of that information about a person without ever meeting them? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, you are a real piece of work. Ugly, pitiful, scared, lonely individuals whose whole beings are ugly? I'm glad we have such non-judgmental people on board here.Hey Up, once again you defend the defensless. Yes, they did criticize and spew out horrible comments about someone that could not defend himself. Yes, I can tell alot about someone by their words and actions. Yes, maybe I am judmental when it comes to spineless remarks. Go back and read how these posters made fun of this individual. I know you wouldn't approve of it. But hey, maybe I'm just judgmental. I could be wrong. NOT
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey Work,Go cry on your momma's shoulder! My statements were always in response to others, expecially like those of JBCak's ilk.
Would you like me to name them? I CAN do so...every last one! So, stick it where the sun doesn't shine.As far as CMKX is concerned, all I see coming from you and other brainwashed CMKX stockholders is more ridiculous crap. I told you (and verified it with FACTS) months ago that CMKX was probably a SCAM. Now, I can almost guarantee that as another FACT.
RATTLE!! RATTLE!! RATTLE!!
It's a good lesson for those that will not listen to others' who are wiser.
Posted by safeguard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Anyone else notice that USCA is now an invalid symbol? At least that's how it is on Ameritrade.It was that way on Pink Sheets several days ago.
Still valid on Yahoo as usca.ob though.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
I say BRAVO! to that woman from Alberta.
That video shows EXACTLY where our money has been wasted. What's really wasted is 8k of it was MINE!! ggggggrrrrrrroooooowwwllllll
Karma is 10 fold Urban!!
quote:
Originally posted by ohsnap:
http://www.cmkx.net/images/Vegas_7.mov
There's the rushing,drunk,beligerent,threatening woman that ruid the whole party! LOL god damn urban is a pussy..stupid cmkx'ers using her as a scapegoat for the crappy company as usualy not giving any info.
[This message has been edited by ohsnap (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by netsec on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Hey Work,Go cry on your momma's shoulder! My statements were always in response to others, expecially like those of JBCak's ilk.
Would you like me to name them? I CAN do so...every last one! So, stick it where the sun doesn't shine.As far as CMKX is concerned, all I see coming from you and other brainwashed CMKX stockholders is more ridiculous crap. I told you (and verified it with FACTS) months ago that CMKX was probably a SCAM. Now, I can almost guarantee that as another FACT.
RATTLE!! RATTLE!! RATTLE!!
It's a good lesson for those that will not listen to others' who are wiser.
Wallace#1 please stop with the wiser/more knowledgable, etc. comments. A few months ago you were asking what a marketmaker was and I am going to keep bringing this up everytime you try to pass yourself off as someone who knows more than everyone else about the stock market. You are in the same boat with the rest of us.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Another Bravo from here. The whole purpose of the party was so the shareholders could kiss their money goodbye.
Wish I had been there to help her out beating the sh*t out of Urbie and his worthless swindling cronies.
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
I say [b]BRAVO! to that woman from Alberta.
That video shows EXACTLY where our money has been wasted. What's really wasted is 8k of it was MINE!! ggggggrrrrrrroooooowwwllllll
Karma is 10 fold Urban!![/B]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
netsec,You could not be more WRONG!! You went ahead and bought no matter how much certain people tried to protect you from losing your shirt. Like I said, good lesson!
By the way, I think your boat is sinking or has sunk. How much did you make yesterday?
I made about $1700 on just ONE stock.
cobra,You sound just like JBCak. Wouldn't surprise me if you are.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tradingpennys,Agreed about the "BRAVO"! Bet she had a bundle tied up in CMKX. Another one that would not listen?
Posted by Upside on :
Cobra,
I'll predict that you will be banned by the end of the day if you're not already.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tony,Either that's him or his disease is catching.
Both he and netsec are now in the "sour grapes" stage.
Posted by svt-cobra on :
Bashers stick together...... use each other as a crutch to bash again,,,,then protect each other from those who get tired of the bashing and lose it.I notice you have no ill words for your brethren.
Some of you have good points and bad --that i can accept-- but those who have nothing but bad all the time and can never see or say anything good, and will take hours out of everyday to PROTECT me and my investment need to realize that we dont want the help (or whatever it is you think you are providing). You have no money here so move on. cry to the mods. get your way. but in the end just know that for all of your trying and crying you did not change my opinion on this or any other stock.
COBRA
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Well I guess we can shut down this thread,,,,Oct. is done
Posted by tigertony on :
Cobra,i post good and bad on facts and have bashed my own stocks,just look at the mlon thread.I call it how i see it on facts on all stocks,not on what i want to happen.I wish you luck and hope all shareholders stuck in this come out okay,you can want this stock to do good thats fine.Its just people try to point how great this is on theory.On the facts that have come down the pipe for 6 months,it all points to a scam.And so far alot of people have lost there a##.so right now facts are it stinks for now.Good Luckquote:
Originally posted by svt-cobra:
Bashers stick together...... use each other as a crutch to bash again,,,,then protect each other from those who get tired of the bashing and lose it.I notice you have no ill words for your brethren.
Some of you have good points and bad --that i can accept-- but those who have nothing but bad all the time and can never see or say anything good, and will take hours out of everyday to PROTECT me and my investment need to realize that we dont want the help (or whatever it is you think you are providing). You have no money here so move on. cry to the mods. get your way. but in the end just know that for all of your trying and crying you did not change my opinion on this or any other stock.
COBRA
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Hey Work,Go cry on your momma's shoulder! My statements were always in response to others, expecially like those of JBCak's ilk.
Would you like me to name them? I CAN do so...every last one! So, stick it where the sun doesn't shine.As far as CMKX is concerned, all I see coming from you and other brainwashed CMKX stockholders is more ridiculous crap. I told you (and verified it with FACTS) months ago that CMKX was probably a SCAM. Now, I can almost guarantee that as another FACT.
RATTLE!! RATTLE!! RATTLE!!
It's a good lesson for those that will not listen to others' who are wiser.
I'd appreciate it if you would leave my mother out of this. See's twice the man you are.........
Wally, you "verified with facts that this is PROBABLY a scam". I'd say your facts were tainted just like your vile remarks. If something is verified, that should be fact, right...but in your case, that's wrong. You're not even sure about it, yourself. I don't think any of the recent posts by either side have been very professional lately. Especially the ones directed at you and others. I don't condone that kind of posting.
Why are you so mad? You act as if I stated something that was not true. Everything I've stated is true. Just because you are included in those that spit venom doesn't mean I'm wrong. Go back and read your posts and feel the bitterness in them. There's lots from both bashers and pumpers. What motivates that? I swear, I don't understand it.
The only RATTLING you're hearing are all the slimy snakes you hang out with. Be careful you don't go biting each other.
Posted by sarki316 on :
What I am hearing from my friend is that the investagtion from the SEC is the work of the MM. This is a good thing.By this investagtion and when everything is legit which it will be the pps for CMKX wil start to move. Nov 9th is 4 business days away. All the SEC wants to know is CMKX BOOKS. with Roger Glenn a former SEC guy we should not worry.
THIS WILL ALL BUT ELIMINATE THE MM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Posted by netsec on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
tony,Either that's him or his disease is catching.
Both he and netsec are now in the "sour grapes" stage.
Sorry Wallace, I don't have sour grapes. You try to come off like you know something about the stock market, when just a few months ago you knew close to nothing. Like you said awhile back, I'm here just to make sure any newbies don't confuse you with someone who knows more than they do...plain and simple. One other thing Wallace, don't confuse me with a pumper. I own the stock and I am pissed I haven't heard more about actual operations. Just because I want to make it clear you aren't an expert at this doesn't make me a pumper...but coming back at me with the term "sour grapes" kind of makes it look like you are a basher.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by sarki316:
quote:
What I am hearing from my friend is that the investagtion from the SEC is the work of the MM. This is a good thing.
By this investagtion and when everything is legit which it will be the pps for CMKX wil start to move. Nov 9th is 4 business days away. All the SEC wants to know is CMKX BOOKS. with Roger Glenn a former SEC guy we should not worry.THIS WILL ALL BUT ELIMINATE THE MM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Can we at least all agree, "pumpers" and "bashers" alike, that this post deserves be made fun of?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
netsec wrote:
"I own the stock..."
***************************Mighty smart move on your part! And you are still holding it!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Well, if the MMs are eliminated, who will be the market makers and what will they be called? LOL Sarki, where do you get that stuff?
Posted by tigertony on :
Fact's are fact's,truth's are truth's,theory's are theory's,and sarki,is sarki.Watch it he's do to be right.Like i said before you keep throwing crap against the wall eventually something will stick.What happened to the pps,and that deep throat undercover thing,and whatever all those other predictions were.This is what got me posting so blame sarki.LOL
Posted by skippy on :
Wallace#1,You can check any record or conversation you want, but I have never requested anyone be banned from this board. I will tell you the same thing I told Will when he linked my name incorrectly to something as well. I do not appreciate you linking me to something I have not participated in and choose not to get involved in either. I do not get involved in the bantering back and forth between the posters, it serves no purpose.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
skippy,When that transpired, I wrote down all the names of people who concurred with JBCak. If I made one mistake, I apologize.
Posted by bill1352 on :
first the SEC is investigating ucad not cmkx. they will be looking at ucad books & mineral rights. yes both are in bed but it doesn't name cmkx at all thus no matter what the outcome it will not effect cmkx's pps. the only pps effected will be ucad's
Posted by Upside on :
Hey Tony,
Off topic but basketball starts in earnest tonight! Slate of 13 games!!! Guess how many I'm playing?
Posted by skippy on :
Wallace#1,Thank you.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Skippy, I am also not in favor of the banting on this board, I feel that it only needs to be said once and after that there is no need to badger people with an opinion. I did in the past have a disagreement with Wallace, but I did not try to have him banned from the board. I spoke my mind and I did in fact get banned because I do not agree with Wallace. Then Wallace was gone for awhile, heavens knows where, but when he came back his postings were most informative and actually he was becomming a great mentor for new investors. Wallace was posting questions to the investors that where thought invoking, I was starting to enjoy his post.Then CMKX had this whatever it is going on and the man became vile with his postings. the old "I told you so" stuff. So once again I am not sure where he is coming from and frankly with the mood swings I really don't care. With friends like that who needs enemies.
For the record I did not try to get him banned I mearly stated that some of his postings are badgering and annoying.
In any case a good principle that I follow is: "Be Careful about the toes you step on today because they could be attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow" So I try not to step on toes if I can avoid it.
------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by tigertony on :
You're bad.LOL 13 and crazy too.LOL If you have a tip post a basketball thread or just to talk about it,i will make a few every week on bb.Good Luckquote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Hey Tony,
Off topic but basketball starts in earnest tonight! Slate of 13 games!!! Guess how many I'm playing?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Doctoall was most certainly one of those involved! Never an apology from him either!
*********************
He wrote:
In any case a good principle that I follow is: "Be Careful about the toes you step on today because they could be attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow" So I try not to step on toes if I can avoid it.
************************
Had he avoided stepping on my toes, I would have said nothing. Instead, he participated.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
people will believe anything. if that where true the US governement would have done this to track down the alcada network.nice try though lol
quote:
Originally posted by Binky:
Heads up bashers and anyone else who posts negativity about cmkm. You may have a group of ???? stalking you and your family's every move . Scary stuff.
blu1236
Family Member
Posted by Doctoall on :
Wallace, your facts are wrong and I did apologize to you and in fact I wrote a letter of apology to Allstocks Moderator in order to get back posting after I let loose on you. If you remember you even posted a response to my post and stated to the board moderator that it was okay. Sorry about your not being able to remember, in any case its water under the bridge and cannot be changed. So you can go on believing what you want, but the truth is actually very different than you choose to believe.------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
sorry pal but im not here to impress you.how mouch more do you need then the confession that Sterling made about the 4 million shares? you are going to argue thhat as well i suppose.
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
This is your proof? You dissappoint me. You also proved to me that your accusations are theory just as many others.[This message has been edited by WorkAHolic (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by sarki316 on :
Upside and all others I am going to teach you how stocks work.1) Why the hell would the SEC want to investgate USCA/CMKX??? Which are pink sheet stock.
2) Why would the SEC start it's investgation a few days before the shareholders party in vegas???
3) I smell a RAT!!!!!!
4) The Market markers are the Rats and they reported it to the SEC to screw with USCA/CMKX shareholders because they cannot cover there nss. So they said screw this lets screw the shareholders and rat then out to the SEC.
The questions is this how come CMKX does all these busniess deals with SGGM,GEMM,USCA and all there share prices go up and CMKX stays the same????? NSS!!!!!
They SEC will fix this along with USCA/CMKX. CMKX didn't hire Roger Glenn for his good looks they hired him for this situation.
I AM NOT A PUMPER. I AM JUST A SMART BUSNIESS MAN THAT KNOW A GOOD STOCK.
TO ALL!!!! IF YOUR IN YOUR IN!!!!!! IF NOT SELL AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!
IT'S NOT PERSONAL IT'S BUSNIESS!!!!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Doctoall:
Wallace, your facts are wrong and I did apologize to you and in fact I wrote a letter of apology to Allstocks Moderator in order to get back posting after I let loose on you. If you remember you even posted a response to my post and stated to the board moderator that it was okay. Sorry about your not being able to remember, in any case its water under the bridge and cannot be changed. So you can go on believing what you want, but the truth is actually very different than you choose to believe.You are right, I do not remember the above. However, I will take your word for it as a fact. I would much rather be a friend and would hope we can be.
Posted by tigertony on :
sarki you are right,but the rat you smell is cmkx.They have lied to share holders for years.I posted there pr from 2002 were buying truck,drilling rig,be testing samples and nothing,2004 same press release about buying truck drilling rig and sampling results and nothing.The list goes on.Whats the excuse for all those other things like that.Gimme some facts not theory's that change every week to protect the latest reason for nothing happening.
Posted by Doctoall on :
Wallace: I to would rather be friends than enemies. The truth with my CMKX is that I have some $ invested and either way win or loose its okay with me. My dabbling in the pennies is for interest and recreation and not a necessity. I have a very comfortable Geriatric Care Practice here in Northern California and truly love what I do and truly enjoy the folks in the Nursing Homes that I provide care for. So as I said win some loose some its all good with me.
But glad to know that the hatchets are buried. Thanks------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"[This message has been edited by Doctoall (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by sarki316:
quote:
Upside and all others I am going to teach you how stocks work.
1) Why the hell would the SEC want to investgate USCA/CMKX??? Which are pink sheet stock.2) Why would the SEC start it's investgation a few days before the shareholders party in vegas???
3) I smell a RAT!!!!!!
4) The Market markers are the Rats and they reported it to the SEC to screw with USCA/CMKX shareholders because they cannot cover there nss. So they said screw this lets screw the shareholders and rat then out to the SEC.
The questions is this how come CMKX does all these busniess deals with SGGM,GEMM,USCA and all there share prices go up and CMKX stays the same????? NSS!!!!!
They SEC will fix this along with USCA/CMKX. CMKX didn't hire Roger Glenn for his good looks they hired him for this situation.
I AM NOT A PUMPER. I AM JUST A SMART BUSNIESS MAN THAT KNOW A GOOD STOCK.
TO ALL!!!! IF YOUR IN YOUR IN!!!!!! IF NOT SELL AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!
IT'S NOT PERSONAL IT'S BUSNIESS!!!!!!
Can we answer this as a group? I'll take # 1.
Sarki, CMKX is a pink sheet and not under investigation. UCAD/USCA is a otcbb stock. That however is irrelevant. USCA is being investigated for questionable finances, falsifying their financial statements, and misleading press releases. That's why the SEC would want to investigate them, defrauding the investor.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
crackoholic is allowed to call people names because he follows the CMKX Gods like Stirling and Melvin, who by the way is another paid pumper and Crackoholic grouped them all together as being upbeat and all these good things. but as we all know Uncle Melvie is under the looking Glass of the SEC for pumping.
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
I can tell you this...Neither Melvin, Sterling, Dr Diamond or the Green Baron have insulted, criticized, humiliated or ridiculed anyone on these boards. Besides their enthusiasm and hype of this stock, they have never indicated anything sinister. I don't think you can say the same thing.ya nor can you
Crackoholic you Crack me up lol
but i know Crackoholic you see it differently. it is the evil sinister plan of the MM's creating this imaginary accusation about your idol.
common
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Workaholic:
Wow, you can glean all of that information about a person without ever meeting them? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, you are a real piece of work. Ugly, pitiful, scared, lonely individuals whose whole beings are ugly? I'm glad we have such non-judgmental people on board here.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
im sorry sit but this was extremely untastful. and maybe the moderator should step in on comments like that.[This message has been edited by Allstocks (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by tic_toc on :
My understanding is that SEC has no jurisdiction over the Pink Sheets. It will not and can not investigate CMKX full stop (period).
Posted by sarki316 on :
Fine. But there finances will be backed by the london firm and Plus the south american gold ore will be good enough. Look I understand your concern about CMKX but too me I feel they are legit. for a $0.0001 stock price you can't lose. Plus Roger Glenn as there lawyer, Plus the CMKX funny car they are legit. In the past it maybe differnt story. That is why they got Roger Glenn
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by sarki316:
Can we answer this as a group? I'll take # 1.
Sarki, CMKX is a pink sheet and not under investigation. UCAD/USCA is a otcbb stock. That however is irrelevant. USCA is being investigated for questionable finances, falsifying their financial statements, and misleading press releases. That's why the SEC would want to investigate them, defrauding the investor.
Posted by tigertony on :
#2 Because they have been accussed of pumping buy unproven press releases,no money on books to buy 20,000,000 in cmkx.They would be at party and did not want them spouting untrue claims to investors.Actually don't think they timed it that way,But you would never buy that.[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by Doctoall on :
Pennytrader: I agree with you, those comments were not called for. Some things should not be posted, those are close to be slanderous statements. I to hope that the moderator steps in. Hell they banned me for much less of a comment than that. Down right nasty stuff.------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by Upside on :
#3, Are you sure it's a rat or do you just need a shower?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Doctoall,Glad the hatchets are buried too.
Posted by tigertony on :
LOL what london firm,the one that denied any contact with them.quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
#3, Are you sure it's a rat or do you just need a shower?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hell, if I answered #4 it would be redundant. So, I'll go to the PUMPER part.How could anyone ever believe sarki is a pumper? After all, haven't all his predictions come true?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
lol ha ha ha lol still believing the NSS theory lol
thats all i can say.
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
Upside and all others I am going to teach you how stocks work.1) Why the hell would the SEC want to investgate USCA/CMKX??? Which are pink sheet stock.
2) Why would the SEC start it's investgation a few days before the shareholders party in vegas???
3) I smell a RAT!!!!!!
4) The Market markers are the Rats and they reported it to the SEC to screw with USCA/CMKX shareholders because they cannot cover there nss. So they said screw this lets screw the shareholders and rat then out to the SEC.
The questions is this how come CMKX does all these busniess deals with SGGM,GEMM,USCA and all there share prices go up and CMKX stays the same????? NSS!!!!!
They SEC will fix this along with USCA/CMKX. CMKX didn't hire Roger Glenn for his good looks they hired him for this situation.
I AM NOT A PUMPER. I AM JUST A SMART BUSNIESS MAN THAT KNOW A GOOD STOCK.
TO ALL!!!! IF YOUR IN YOUR IN!!!!!! IF NOT SELL AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!
IT'S NOT PERSONAL IT'S BUSNIESS!!!!!!
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
I disagree with this statement. take a looke at this thread if you think you cant loose at this price
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/Forum8/HTML/009804.html
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
. for a $0.0001 stock price you can't lose.
Posted by tigertony on :
Any facts not theory's,i can post a mile of pr's never followed through on and pps. 790 billion shares.I could fill the whole forum.Any real facts,i have seen none.Let's have them.quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
sarki you are right,but the rat you smell is cmkx.They have lied to share holders for years.I posted there pr from 2002 were buying truck,drilling rig,be testing samples and nothing,2004 same press release about buying truck drilling rig and sampling results and nothing.The list goes on.Whats the excuse for all those other things like that.Gimme some facts not theory's that change every week to protect the latest reason for nothing happening.
Posted by tigertony on :
Reverse split,bankruptcy,suspended,out of business,prison.Other than those few minor things.quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
I disagree with this statement. take a looke at this thread if you think you cant loose at this price
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/Forum8/HTML/009804.html
Posted by tigertony on :
sarki don't teach us,maybe you should listen.We would have saved you money on cmkx,cdvj.You taught us how to grab on and not let go all the way down.If i bought on every prediction you made i would be standing here holding my naked broke a##.
Posted by TradingWizard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Work,I sincerely doubt if you saw any remark of mine that was "vile" as you stated.
Further it was not I who tried to get anyone banned as did the following:
Wallace#1 I must be automatically guilty by association being friends with JBCak. I am very sure that many of others thought that John was funny too why don't you then waste your time and list them also. I read this board everyday for information, but being attacked even when not posting again as the months, weeks and days pass is quite ridiculous. Please move on with the stock and forget the past. This thread would be dead if there were no opposing views (I am sure its good business for Bob Frey), so everyone is entitled to do pump or bash the stock, express their views, but personally attacking each other just does not do any justice here. Like Will used to say (where is he anyway) don't pick the scab it will heal faster, and I been picked again - I WANT TO HEAL. PERIOD.
[This message has been edited by Allstocks (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by TradingWizard on :
Since I am already here and defending myself, some interesting reading for tonight.De Beers Canada distances itself from rumours of Casavant purchase
De Beers Canada is distancing itself from CMKM Diamonds Inc. after rumours that De Beers was considering the purchase of CMKM's holdings in the Fort a la Corne area.By Colin McGarrigle of The Journal
Tuesday November 02, 2004Melfort Journal — De Beers Canada is distancing itself from CMKM Diamonds Inc. after rumours that De Beers was considering the purchase of CMKM's holdings in the Fort a la Corne area.
Various postings and discussions surrounding the sale have been found on finance-based Internet chat rooms over the past few months, but De Beers said that there is no truth to the rumours at all.
"I am aware that there has been a number of statements made on (Internet) bulletin boards about De Beers and Casavant (CMKM)," said Linda Dorrington, manager of public and corporate affairs for De Beers Canada.
"I can assure you that De Beers has completely distanced itself from any of the comments that appear on these bulletin boards," Dorrington added.
The Melfort Journal has also received several e-mails over the past few weeks regarding inquiries about a possible De Beers/CMKM land purchase.
"We have gotten a lot of e-mails as well asking us. (The rumours) seem to be gathering steam with more and more interest and I am actually having a statement drafted that is a disclaimer to distance De Beers from this company and any of the statements made on these bulletin boards or chat rooms," explained Dorrington.
Asked how these rumours started, Dorrington was at a loss.
"I don't know when it all originated, I am just aware of them. We are tracking these comments, but I can assure you that there is no truth to them," Dorrington stated.Source: http://www.melfortjournal.com/story.php?id=125169
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
sorry pal but im not here to impress you.how mouch more do you need then the confession that Sterling made about the 4 million shares? you are going to argue thhat as well i suppose.
Apology accepted, I'm not impressed.
By the way, I'm also not your pal.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
TradingWizard,I am well aware of your postings recently. Dorrington in the DeBeers release stated:
"I am actually having a statement drafted that is a disclaimer to distance De Beers from this company and any of the statements made on these bulletin boards or chat rooms,"
You had the same opportunity as DeBeers to distance yourself when it came to JBCak and others. However, you chose otherwise, and in some sick kind of way, thought his so-called "humor" was funny and thereby encouraged it and supported it...as long as it was at my expense and not your own.
There is no defense for that!!!
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
im sorry sit but this was extremely untastful. and maybe the moderator should step in on comments like that.[This message has been edited by Allstocks (edited November 03, 2004).]
I like that "Crackaholik". Now that's funny. Good one.
Maybe you should call in the SEC to investigate me.
Posted by ONTHEAIR on :
I'll take a comment:TO ALL!!!! IF YOUR IN YOUR IN!!!!!! IF NOT SELL AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!
IT'S NOT PERSONAL IT'S BUSNIESS!!!!!!
Why can't people who DON"T own CMKX not be here. Some people hold their money closer to the vest..They are here to "keep it real"!! OH AND..this is wore out but..
It's not a business(correct spelling)...It's a lottery ticket.
[This message has been edited by ONTHEAIR (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by ONTHEAIR on :
And excuse my spelling..LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Some of you have asked for stock recommendations. I have mentioned this before. I know this is $.10 or less thread, but if any of you can free up $4K+ you would be well advised to continuously follow UAHC. Five times now, I have seen it go down to around $4.00/$4.10 and then go up to $5.00/$5.15. Right now, it's at about $5, so wait and watch. Last month I finally got wise and sold mine when it hit $5.09. Was in at #3.41/1000 shs. Will buy again around $4.00.Normally, I might worry that I was recommending a stock in which you could lose money. Here, the performance is such that I "think" you will be safe. Go to Stockhouse.com, put in the symbol and then get the trading "history". Keep going back on the history to confirm what I am saying. This company also has solid fundamentals.
PS: If you do buy, make sure you wait until it goes to about $5/$5.15, sell, and then, repurchase when it hits around $4. Bank each time or build your portfolio.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
Some of you have asked for stock recommendations. I have mentioned this before. I know this is $.10 or less thread, but if any of you can free up $4K+ you would be well advised to continuously follow UAHC. Five times now, I have seen it go down to around $4.00/$4.10 and then go up to $5.00/$5.15. Right now, it's at about $5, so wait and watch. Last month I finally got wise and sold mine when it hit $5.09. Was in at #3.41/1000 shs. Will buy again around $4.00.Kind of strange you'd recommend this one. I was in it about a year ago around the 2.75 range and sold at 4.50 or so. Haven't looked at it since. Might have to check it out now though.
Posted by TradingWizard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
TradingWizard,I am well aware of your postings recently. Dorrington in the DeBeers release stated:
"I am actually having a statement drafted that is a disclaimer to distance De Beers from this company and any of the statements made on these bulletin boards or chat rooms,"
You had the same opportunity as DeBeers to distance yourself when it came to JBCak and others. However, you chose otherwise, and in some sick kind of way, thought his so-called "humor" was funny and thereby encouraged it and supported it...as long as it was at my expense and not your own.
There is no defense for that!!!
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 03, 2004).]I don't even know how to answer to your comment, start from the bottom or top, sideways, and even if I answer I will not win, you have everything knowledge, and health problems for back up, and a way to relate me to an article. Wallace#1 discussion board is just discussion board. In some instances people make friends, in some they don't or stay neutral. I read most of your postings and I could not possibly even go near you to argue with you or even with others. Plus I don't make a living playing stocks, and what is all going on with CMKX its just one big tutorial. Also, let me tell you a little disclaimer on my behalf. I don't associate anybody with anybodies comments. I agree some of the comments made against you where not appropriate, but because I think they were funny (not all of them were directed to you to which I give him hands up) it not necessarily means that I think of you that way. Have you ever watch comedy shows, sick, non sick, political jokes are made all the time, and I watch them I enjoy to laugh, and I forget, but I don't go out and use them against others. So here, hope this helps. I just don't know what you really want me to say, to apologize to you, for what
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
TradingWizard,Please do HEAL. Just try not to get in bed with anyone remotely like JBCak again when it comes to me and we can be friends. OK?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Up,It's a good stock. I kept kicking myself for not selling when it went above $5 each time. Then, spent the $$$ on it's sale on something else. Now, I have to wait again until it goes back down. But, so far, it has been a sure thing. I just hope I don't cause someone to lose money.
As I recall, it once hit a high of over $6.
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Posted by TradingWizard on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
TradingWizard,Please do HEAL. Just try not to get in bed with anyone remotely like JBCak again when it comes to me and we can be friends. OK?
I don't need to heal. I am friends with JBCak, I am happily married, and I will ignore your comment for a sake of argument. Good night!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
TradingWizard,You seem to have misunderstood my meaning with my comment about the bed. It was not meant the way you took it. Sorry. As far as healing is concerned, maybe I misunderstood you above with your "HEAL" remark. Again, sorry. Not my evening, I guess. Glad you prefer JBCak.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i would not wait their time on you. they need to work on a real threat.you have issues. you cant let it go can you.
I dare you not to comment on this post.
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
I like that "Crackaholik". Now that's funny. Good one.Maybe you should call in the SEC to investigate me.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by ONTHEAIR:
[B]I'll take a comment:TO ALL!!!! IF YOUR IN YOUR IN!!!!!! IF NOT SELL AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!
IT'S NOT PERSONAL IT'S BUSNIESS!!!!!!
Why can't people who DON"T own CMKX not be here. Some people hold their money closer to the vest..They are here to "keep it real"!! OH AND..this is wore out but..
It's not a business(correct spelling)...It's a lottery ticket.B]
Well I look at this as it as a longshot in the horserace but.They do come in.You get a longshot in a trifecta...bank.But whatever floats your boat.GLTY
Posted by will on :
WOW!!! I just read the last 9 pages of posts. I moved, and SBC lost my DSL order, so I'm on dailup.
Man oh man! What a load of crap, invoking God, calling it his money, and we are stewards. Unbelievable the length these people will go to, to feel good and justify their poor judgement.
Thinking about the last 9 pages, I missed nothing except ridiculous theories that this piece of crap is going to be ok. Face it, UC and Melvin cheated your pants off. Hope those invested heavily "understand this stock", "believe there are negatives here". good luck $25,000+ investors.
Posted by Upside on :
Well, welcome back old man. Hope you resolve your DSL issues soon. Ok, niceties over, pump away.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Wondered what happened to you Will. Are you going to start pumping again? Thought you had learned your lesson!! LOL Don't you know this thread was hijacked?
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by sarki316:
What I am hearing from my friend is that the investagtion from the SEC is the work of the MM. This is a good thing.By this investagtion and when everything is legit which it will be the pps for CMKX wil start to move. Nov 9th is 4 business days away. All the SEC wants to know is CMKX BOOKS. with Roger Glenn a former SEC guy we should not worry.
THIS WILL ALL BUT ELIMINATE THE MM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
serious shut up ... not a single one of your predictions or spec-o-lations have comes true
Posted by will on :
Stop yourselves! You guys kvetch too much. I don't even know what to say anymore. I've been out of touch, and I see the positive spin still exists. Again, if I had $25,000+ locked up in this disaster I'd be telling myself everything is ok. In my heart I'd know reality, but to the rest of the sane world I would be denying the facts. I had a feeling for the longest time these guys were clowns.[This message has been edited by will (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
sraki still around predicting good things? It's way past October 21, and he's still carrying on, amazing!
Hope you all sold when this went to .10 October 21.
Shhhhhhhh, quiet yourself, sarki.
Posted by will on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
sarki still around predicting good things? It's way past October 21, and he's still carrying on, amazing!
Hope you all sold when this went to .10 October 21.
Shhhhhhhh, quiet yourself, sarki.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will wrote:I had a feeling for the longest time these guys were clowns.
********************************Yeah? Look how long it took me to convince you CMKX was a circus. LOL
Freed up over $5K yesterday, do you think I should put it into CMKX, UCAD, SGGM, GEMM or one of those JV partners?
Posted by will on :
Making up for lost time here. I was wondering how noah and debi are doing. I didn't see them post in my 9 page review. They still holding onto that, "this thread was hijacked" crap, or have they accepted the reality of this CMKX being in deep crap?
Posted by will on :
Now wait a minute! I was questioning the management of CMKX long before you showed your old ugly face here.
I was accused of "not understanding this stock", "finding negatives where there wasn't any", and my personal favorite, "kvetching". I might have had hopes to make some "ca-ching", but I always questioned why these clowns weren't forthright and forthcoming with information. I was a pariah here long before you became a target.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will wrote:I had a feeling for the longest time these guys were clowns.
********************************Yeah? Look how long it took me to convince you CMKX was a circus. LOL
Freed up over $5K yesterday, do you think I should put it into CMKX, UCAD, SGGM, GEMM or one of those JV partners?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Probably scared sh:tless to post here now since they have kimberlite mud all over their faces. Too ashamed of the lump of dirt they pumped so vigorusly.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will,Yo momma!!!
Posted by will on :
AHHHHHH! You missed me.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will,Yo momma!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Not that much!!! LOLYou asked too many pertinent questions!!!
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Posted by will on :
Ok, I'm gonna signoff. Hope to have my phone lines and DSL squared away tomorrow. Although, ain't much fun on the CMKX thread anymore. How could anyone in their right mind argue for this stock now. To be proCMKX at this point you'd have to be out of touch with reality, and need to commit yourself to one of those places for "touched in the head".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
By the way, Bill1352 stated something I have been thinking about. Cannot the SEC do anything with reference to a pink sheet stock?
They can with the NYSE, the AMEX, the NASDAQ, so why couldn't they suspend CMKX as well?It would seem to me they might have some kind of jurisdiction whether they file with the SEC or not.
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Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Will:
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Making up for lost time here. I was wondering how noah and debi are doing.I actually ran into Noah the other night on a different site. Had a good chat with him. He's doing fine along with Debi and some others who left here. They're still keeping the faith.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Did you expect anything else over on the CT forum?
Posted by will on :
With the amount thay had invested they better have a lot of faith.
Good to see y'all. Over & Out!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Will:
I actually ran into Noah the other night on a different site. Had a good chat with him. He's doing fine along with Debi and some others who left here. They're still keeping the faith.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
By the way, Bill1352 stated something I have been thinking about. Cannot the SEC do anything with reference to a pink sheet stock?
They can with the NYSE, the AMEX, the NASDAQ, so why couldn't they suspend CMKX as well?
It would seem to me they might have some kind of jurisdiction whether they file with the SEC or not.They can suspend a pink sheet stock. Here's the definition of SEC suspension from the pink sheets website:
SEC Suspension
The SEC can suspend a stock from trading for up to ten trading days when it serves the public interest and will protect investors. The SEC will act when it believes public information about a company is not current, accurate, or adequate. For stocks that trade in the OTC or the over-the-counter market, quotation does not automatically resume when a suspension ends. (The OTC market includes the OTC Bulletin Board® and the Pink Sheets.) After a suspension, SEC regulations require a broker-dealer to review information about a company before publishing a proprietary quote. If a broker-dealer does not have confidence that a company's financial statements are current and accurate, especially in light of the questions raised by the SEC, then a broker-dealer may not publish a proprietary quote for the company's stock. However broker - dealers may publish quotes representing an unsolicited customer order.Note the line where it defines the OTC market as including the BB and the pinks.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Thanks, Up. I didn't check it out when Bill (I think) said the SEC could not suspend because it was a non-reporting company. Maybe I misunderstood him though. Hell, the way I'm going today, maybe it was someone else.Then, I wonder why the SEC has done nothing about CMKX, Casavant, DeSormeau or Melvin when it appears that the Sask. Fin. Svcs Commission has something to question. It use to be that one overseeing group would communicate directly and quickly with any other affected bodies of surveilance.
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Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
i would not wait their time on you. they need to work on a real threat.you have issues. you cant let it go can you.
I dare you not to comment on this post.
You dare me.. You pompus ass. Your dare doesn't make me post.
How dare you say I have issues. The only issue I have is the low class quality of some of the posters on this board. You've got me all figured out wrong. I don't care if you bash this stock. I don't care if you question the powers that be. I don't care if you're in this stock or not. You have no idea what I'm pissed about.I welcome dissent and questions. I want to make a prudent investment. I just don't care for the ugliness that some people post on this board. Period. If you think it's all ok, then you are part of the problem. The attacks on integrity, on honesty, on intelligence, on motive, on rationale are all unfounded. Those things are the items that make me mad. Not the question of whether this is going to be big or not.
I don't care if you hate this stock or you hate the administration or you hate the SEC. I don't like the attacks on simple people making simple theories. They laugh, ridicule, humiliate anyone that doesn't think the way they do. They make fun of ordinary people. They are so smart.
They are the hypocrites...plain and simple. That's all I'm about. Exposing the hypocrites. Read my posts. That's all.
I'll take that dare.
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Posted by Highwaychild on :
Hey Upside and partners in crime... These don't look like 'sand bags' to me?LOL
O.K. then... http://www.uscanadian.net/video.asp
See Yellow River Mining video...Bank.
It's just alot longer than a horse race.[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited November 03, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"The attacks on integrity, on honesty, on intelligence, on motive, on rationale are all unfounded."Now there's an understatement. It seems to me that it was all the CMKX protagonists that started that crap! In fact, I know it was! How dare anyone bring up a question about CMKX or about the people involved with that company. Remember, this was a CMKX board and they wanted only things brought up that agreed with their positions.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...yea right... http://www.cmkxpics.com/
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Anybody got to this one on page 6 yet... http://www.cmkxpics.com/vegas6/pages/IMG_9897_JPG.htmWhat????LOL
That's a nice shirt that man has on,the one holding that gold looking thing.HA HA HA
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Posted by tigertony on :
I respect that and hope it hits.Big differrence then posting a bunch of nutty theory's that never happen.quote:
Originally posted by ONTHEAIR:
I'll take a comment:TO ALL!!!! IF YOUR IN YOUR IN!!!!!! IF NOT SELL AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!
IT'S NOT PERSONAL IT'S BUSNIESS!!!!!!
Why can't people who DON"T own CMKX not be here. Some people hold their money closer to the vest..They are here to "keep it real"!! OH AND..this is wore out but..
It's not a business(correct spelling)...It's a lottery ticket.
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Posted by WorkAHolic on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
"The attacks on integrity, on honesty, on intelligence, on motive, on rationale are all unfounded."Now there's an understatement. It seems to me that it was all the CMKX protagonists that started that crap! In fact, I know it was! How dare anyone bring up a question about CMKX or about the people involved with that company. Remember, this was a CMKX board and they wanted only things brought up that agreed with their positions.
Tag, you're it.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Wallace #1:
quote:
Then, I wonder why the SEC has done nothing about CMKX, Casavant, DeSormeau or Melvin when it appears that the Sask. Fin. Svcs Commission has something to question. It use to be that one overseeing group would communicate directly and quickly with any other affected bodies of surveilance.Could they be doing just that? Sask. forwarding any information they get to the SEC?
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
so then why do you waist your time arguing with everyone if you dont care about all these things that you arguing about?i thing there are issues there. maybe your in denial
quote:
Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
You dare me.. You pompus ass. Your dare doesn't make me post.
How dare you say I have issues. The only issue I have is the low class quality of some of the posters on this board. You've got me all figured out wrong. I don't care if you bash this stock. I don't care if you question the powers that be. I don't care if you're in this stock or not. You have no idea what I'm pissed about.I welcome dissent and questions. I want to make a prudent investment. I just don't care for the ugliness that some people post on this board. Period. If you think it's all ok, then you are part of the problem. The attacks on integrity, on honesty, on intelligence, on motive, on rationale are all unfounded. Those things are the items that make me mad. Not the question of whether this is going to be big or not.
I don't care if you hate this stock or you hate the administration or you hate the SEC. I don't like the attacks on simple people making simple theories. They laugh, ridicule, humiliate anyone that doesn't think the way they do. They make fun of ordinary people. They are so smart.
They are the hypocrites...plain and simple. That's all I'm about. Exposing the hypocrites. Read my posts. That's all.
I'll take that dare.
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Posted by bill1352 on :
Wallace#1
Member posted November 03, 2004 21:36
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Thanks, Up. I didn't check it out when Bill (I think) said the SEC could not suspend because it was a non-reporting company. Maybe I misunderstood him though. Hell, the way I'm going today, maybe it was someone else.
Then, I wonder why the SEC has done nothing about CMKX, Casavant, DeSormeau or Melvin when it appears that the Sask. Fin. Svcs Commission has something to question. It use to be that one overseeing group would communicate directly and quickly with any other affected bodies of surveilance.[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 03, 2004).]
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not worth going back & looking but i think i was saying why suspend cmkx. the pps is .0001 to .0002. its not like they gave out false info that drove the pps up only to crash when the truth came out. the only thing halting cmkx now would do is take the last bucks left in cmkx shares out for good. the SEC might as well just let the bankruptcy do that, if that's the next step in the casavant manuver. sad thing is if it did go bankrupt the kool aide ppl would be taking up a collection for UC so he could start up his dream of making millioniares all over again
Posted by sarki316 on :
Ohsnap how old are you??? and will you too how old are you??
quote:
Originally posted by ohsnap:
serious shut up ... not a single one of your predictions or spec-o-lations have comes true
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Wallace #1:
Could they be doing just that? Sask. forwarding any information they get to the SEC?
***********************It is possible. For example, whenever we held up trading in a NYSE listed stock, other exchanges that traded that same stock were concurrently alerted...prior to the public knowing about it.
Posted by skippy on :
Has anyone considered what it would mean for CMKX if the USCA SEC inquuiry comes back with everything in order? From my viewpoint, I don't think the SEC even cares about CMKX right now. I think a change in reporting laws let USCA value mineral right which would boost assets by an amount that is speculative and the SEC is checking into their claims of value. I would also think that the SEC would check into why USCA spent so much money to buy into what appears to be a worthless company right now since there is no public information on that company. The SEC is looking out for the shareholder by making sure their valuation of assets is not misleading. If I remember correctly, USCA bought mineral rights from CMKX. If they have valued these rights as well as the ones they owned previously, the SEC might want to see how they came to value CMKX's rights since there is no public information about CMKX. I believe this is why the SEC halted trading, to get more financial information.That said, I'm still not sure why the SEC spent 2/3 of its memo getting onto the brokers. Makes me wonder why they would even bring them into the release. Any ideas?
So, what happens if the SEC's questions are answered? Will we ever get to see the questions asked? And what does that do to the valuation of all of these companies that are tied together? Any thoughts?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Bill1352 wrote:
not worth going back & looking but i think i was saying why suspend cmkx. the pps is .0001 to .0002. its not like they gave out false info that drove the pps up only to crash when the truth came out
*************************************I don't think the pps would matter re the SEC. Two things in question - issuing unregistered shares and misrepresentation - should be enough to take action. IMO
I agree with the rest of that post.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bill1352:
quote:
sad thing is if it did go bankrupt the kool aide ppl would be taking up a collection for UC so he could start up his dream of making millioniares all over againThat's pretty funny bill but the sad thing is, you're probably right. Not 10 minutes after everyone lost everything they invested, someone would have a "help Urban" fund going.
Posted by JEAL on :
Skippy,Regarding your questions about the broker details in the PR....
I looked at some of the other securities that had been halted, and it appears that the same verbage is used there as well..
quote:
Originally posted by skippy:
Has anyone considered what it would mean for CMKX if the USCA SEC inquuiry comes back with everything in order? From my viewpoint, I don't think the SEC even cares about CMKX right now. I think a change in reporting laws let USCA value mineral right which would boost assets by an amount that is speculative and the SEC is checking into their claims of value. I would also think that the SEC would check into why USCA spent so much money to buy into what appears to be a worthless company right now since there is no public information on that company. The SEC is looking out for the shareholder by making sure their valuation of assets is not misleading. If I remember correctly, USCA bought mineral rights from CMKX. If they have valued these rights as well as the ones they owned previously, the SEC might want to see how they came to value CMKX's rights since there is no public information about CMKX. I believe this is why the SEC halted trading, to get more financial information.That said, I'm still not sure why the SEC spent 2/3 of its memo getting onto the brokers. Makes me wonder why they would even bring them into the release. Any ideas?
So, what happens if the SEC's questions are answered? Will we ever get to see the questions asked? And what does that do to the valuation of all of these companies that are tied together? Any thoughts?
Posted by skippy on :
Wallace#1, I don't believe the SEC has anything to do with the investigation of the issuing unregistered shares or the misrepresentation, both of these things occurred in Canada where the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission has authority. The SEC is looking just at USCA and its finances.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
skippy,Even though it is being investigated in Canada, it is being traded in the US. Therefore, it still would make sense that the SEC might want to look into the claims of unregistered securities (which could also be traded here) and misrepresentation (which might affect shareholders here). Could be wrong though.
Further, it is a NV company.
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Looks like today might be a slow trading day.
I have 19 stocks that haven't even traded yet today. Hope that changes. Maybe because of the election?Talk to you folks later.
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Posted by Upside on :
Skippy,
What you posted makes a lot of sense, if all of a sudden the value of their claims skyrockets it might raise an eyebrow or two. The only problem I see is that it's still such a tiny company that I have a hard time believing that the SEC would investigate them on that basis alone. There hast be more to it than that. Another thing is, if their finances are in fact gone over completely by the SEC, CMKX can't help but being drawn into it. The two companies finances are so tightly intertwined that CMKX will probably be looked at purely by coincidence. If they see improprieties there, I think they would have to launch a separate investigation to accuse CMKX of anything. If everything comes away clean, I would say USCA gets a decent pps boost when trading resumes and CMKX goes unchanged, pending the outcome of their Canadian investigation.
Posted by skippy on :
Upside, I don't think the size of the company has anything to do with raising a flag or not. I believe it would be the adjustment of asset value and the market cap exploding by 3x. I think the two together is what set off the flag. Keep in mind it's not the value of their cliams that went up, just the rules of accounting have changed to allow a company to place value on their claims. In the past a company has not been able to place a value on claims for asset valueing purposes. If I understand the SEC rule, the brokers/mm's are supposed to evaluate the financials and report anything unusual. Based on what limited information is available, I believe the brokers set off the alarm as they are supposed to do. Nothing viscious, just pointing to something extremely different from reporting period to reporting period. I agree that CMKX and USCA and a few others are wrapped together tightly. That's why I was wondering what it would imply if USCA came back clean. I also agree that if there is something wrong with the CMKX picture, it will be exposed enough through USCA's investigation to warrent an investigation of CMKX. But if not, then it might imply that there is something yet unseen with CMKX and its valuation.But I do believe that is USCA comes through clean, there will be a run on all the jv's tied together.
Just my thoughts and opinions.
Posted by Upside on :
Here's an article from a Saskatchewan newspaper about the CMKX investigation. Pretty much the same information that we already had but it does allude to the fact that the Canadian Commission and the SEC are at minimum sharing information:By Colin McGarrigle of the Journal
Tuesday November 02, 2004Melfort Journal — The Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission (SFSC) has issued a Temporary Cease Trade Order on a Fort a la Corne diamond company after allegations of misrepresentation and other irregularities under The Securities Act.
CMKM Diamonds Inc., formerly known as Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, was the target of the SFSC's Order after a complaint against the company led to an investigation.
Melfort resident involved
Melfort resident Melvin O'Neil, Urban Casavant and David DeSormeau, who are listed as officers, directors and promoters of the company, were also named in the Order.
O'Neil is the Investor Relations Spokesman for CMKM Diamonds Inc.
"We had a complaint sometime ago about the company and we did an investigation and this (Cease Trade Order) is the result," explained Vic Pankratz, deputy director of enforcement for the SFSC.
While Pankratz was tight-lipped about the details behind the investigation or misrepresentation, a news release stated, "The Securities Division is concerned about the trading activities of the companies as well as news releases they have issued about their operations."
CMKM is a fairly new diamond exploration company based out of Nevada that is traded in an over-the-counter market in the United States that is dubbed as "pink sheet" stock.
The company claims to own over 1.4 million acres of land in the Fort a la Corne area according to the company Web site.
The Order is in place until Nov. 9 or until the company provides sufficient information to the director of the SFSC.
"It's up to the company now, or the entities that are cease traded to take steps to provide us with the information that we can consider to see if we can lift the order," said Pankratz.
In the Order, the commission stated that CMKM Diamonds Inc. and its respondents (O'Neil, Casavant and DeSormeau) were not registered, traded in securities when no receipt had been issued and made statements which they know are misrepresentations.
Until the order is lifted, no shares can be traded.
A hearing may be held if the company does not provide sufficient information to the SFSC to consider whether a permanent cease trade order is necessary against the company and the respondents.
"We don't know what the company is going to do to respond to our issue here. Right now, the shares of Saskatchewan holders cannot be traded," explained Pankratz.
Asked if the shares would be worthless if a permanent order was issued, Pankratz said, "There's a lot of issues that have to be addressed for the order to become permanent and the interest of the shareholders would certainly be paramount in our mind if and when something like that happened."
If a hearing is held, Pankratz said that it would be open to the public. No date has been set for a hearing as of yet.
America follows suit
In a similar move, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (USSEC) also announced a temporary suspension of securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc., which states on their Web site that it has a 20 per cent revenue interest in 500,000 acres of "kimberlite-likely land" in Saskatchewan and has a 25 per cent interest in 27 claims comprised of 22,447 acres located near Smeaton.
In their suspension, the USSEC acknowledges the assistance of the SFSC in their decision, which stated that questions have been raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning the financing and mining activities and the value of USCM purported assets.
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. officials and Melvin O'Neil of CMKM refused to respond to questions regarding the suspensions.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Here's an article from a Saskatchewan newspaper about the CMKX investigation. Pretty much the same information that we already had but it does allude to the fact that the Canadian Commission and the SEC are at minimum sharing information:By Colin McGarrigle of the Journal
Tuesday November 02, 2004Melfort Journal — The Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission (SFSC) has issued a Temporary Cease Trade Order on a Fort a la Corne diamond company after allegations of misrepresentation and other irregularities under The Securities Act.
CMKM Diamonds Inc., formerly known as Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, was the target of the SFSC's Order after a complaint against the company led to an investigation.
Melfort resident involved
Melfort resident Melvin O'Neil, Urban Casavant and David DeSormeau, who are listed as officers, directors and promoters of the company, were also named in the Order.
O'Neil is the Investor Relations Spokesman for CMKM Diamonds Inc.
"We had a complaint sometime ago about the company and we did an investigation and this (Cease Trade Order) is the result," explained Vic Pankratz, deputy director of enforcement for the SFSC.
While Pankratz was tight-lipped about the details behind the investigation or misrepresentation, a news release stated, "The Securities Division is concerned about the trading activities of the companies as well as news releases they have issued about their operations."
CMKM is a fairly new diamond exploration company based out of Nevada that is traded in an over-the-counter market in the United States that is dubbed as "pink sheet" stock.
The company claims to own over 1.4 million acres of land in the Fort a la Corne area according to the company Web site.
The Order is in place until Nov. 9 or until the company provides sufficient information to the director of the SFSC.
"It's up to the company now, or the entities that are cease traded to take steps to provide us with the information that we can consider to see if we can lift the order," said Pankratz.
In the Order, the commission stated that CMKM Diamonds Inc. and its respondents (O'Neil, Casavant and DeSormeau) were not registered, traded in securities when no receipt had been issued and made statements which they know are misrepresentations.
Until the order is lifted, no shares can be traded.
A hearing may be held if the company does not provide sufficient information to the SFSC to consider whether a permanent cease trade order is necessary against the company and the respondents.
"We don't know what the company is going to do to respond to our issue here. Right now, the shares of Saskatchewan holders cannot be traded," explained Pankratz.
Asked if the shares would be worthless if a permanent order was issued, Pankratz said, "There's a lot of issues that have to be addressed for the order to become permanent and the interest of the shareholders would certainly be paramount in our mind if and when something like that happened."
If a hearing is held, Pankratz said that it would be open to the public. No date has been set for a hearing as of yet.
America follows suit
In a similar move, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (USSEC) also announced a temporary suspension of securities of U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc., which states on their Web site that it has a 20 per cent revenue interest in 500,000 acres of "kimberlite-likely land" in Saskatchewan and has a 25 per cent interest in 27 claims comprised of 22,447 acres located near Smeaton.
In their suspension, the USSEC acknowledges the assistance of the SFSC in their decision, which stated that questions have been raised about the accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning the financing and mining activities and the value of USCM purported assets.
U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. officials and Melvin O'Neil of CMKM refused to respond to questions regarding the suspensions.So alot of this complaint is for fruad. CMKX saying they "own" the property.... that's obviously WRONG!
Posted by JEAL on :
TP -I dont think they ever said that they "owned" the land, I beleive the scenario was that they "owned" the mineral rights of the property.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
quote:
Originally posted by tradingpennys:
So alot of this complaint is for fruad. CMKX saying they "own" the property.... that's obviously WRONG!
Posted by dwman on :
Good morning to bill, will, up, trading, wallace and others. I think I've picked up Wallace's habit of dropping out for a day or two only to return. Wallace, I'm glad you do return.
Posted by Binky on :
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
TP -I dont think they ever said that they "owned" the land, I beleive the scenario was that they "owned" the mineral rights of the property.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
---------------------------------------Jeal, there has been many people speculating on the value of the land CMKM "OWNS" on these chat boards for quite some time.
Even though some posted that CMKM only had mineral rights on the claims and didn't actually own any land, it didn't stop the rumours of the great value that the land could be sold for.
GLTA
Posted by Upside on :
I've been doing a little research on otcbb and pink sheet trading halts and from what I can tell, it's extremely rare, in fact it's only happened 3 other times this year. One was a pink sheet and the other two were otcbb listed. Those three halts were all halted under one of the "T" codes which relate to pending news. UCAD is the first one this year to be halted due to an SEC investigation. This doesn't appear to be commonplace at all so my hunch is that this is something pretty major.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing because regardless of which theory you subscribe to, postive or negative, you can make a case to support it here. This could get interesting!Morning dwman.
[This message has been edited by Upside (edited November 04, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Good morning to bill, will, up, trading, wallace and others. I think I've picked up Wallace's habit of dropping out for a day or two only to return. Wallace, I'm glad you do return.
*******************************Good evening, dwman. Are you trying to say I am a drop-out? LOL Just kidding.
Been napping all day. Not many, but sold some free shs I had...only about $600.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Up, that was some nice research you did on UCAD/USCA as to it being the only one suspended for possible cause by the SEC.Re the comments above about CMKX, I really think they just might do something there as well. Could be wrong.
Talk to you folks later.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 04, 2004).]
Posted by bill1352 on :
i'd say good morning dw but its 6pm here now. some days i'm in the office & some on the road. today was a road day.........the sec thing with ucad seems to be in my opinion because of all the differant mining claims in south america. they have been releasing a few things that would suggest a very nice income in the very near future but as of the last report had no money to get into these differant things. most stocks will release a pr about financing and where they got money to expand. ucad has only listed 1 such pr. they have not said anything about income from canada in the near future so my guess is that's not part of the investigation. as all the near term income they have talked about is in south america there is no way for investers to check out any claims made by ucad. if ucad can show these mines are real and doing as they say all will be well. plus i dont think cmkx will come into play in this investigation unless those mines are fake then all partners of ucad might come into the spotlight. either way clearing ucad means nothing to cmkx, it wouldn't give any legitamacy to cmkx other then keep our dividends safe. as for cmkx & canada, thats about if they were trading shares legally again nothing to do with mineral rights or claim value[This message has been edited by bill1352 (edited November 04, 2004).]
Posted by dwman on :
bill,,, I guess it was afternoon when I said Good Morning. Oh well, chalk it up to staying up most of Tuesday night. I do think you have a good point about the sec motives. I must admit I am a bit concerned about some of the pics from the mine. We can't hear the duck quack so even though it looks like a duck, it might not be unless we can see it walk. lol And what was the pic of all those sacks being unloaded. Was that supposed to be gold ore?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"We can't hear the duck quack so even though it looks like a duck, it might not be unless we can see it walk. lol"
*********************************Looks like you have been watching this thread for quite a while! LMAO
I have been thinking about it!
Posted by dwman on :
Thinking about what Wallace? Ducks? lol
Posted by dwman on :
I had a goose that I named cmkx but he hooked up with a flock of wild geese going south. He's probably in that equador mine. lol j/k
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Probably just flew over and dropped off a deposit.
Posted by Upside on :
dwman,
I've got a wild goose nesting in my back yard that seems to answer to "Urban". That couldn't be yours could it? He seems to like bright, shiny, sparkly objects too although I can't imagine where he would have ever seen one before.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Come on, guys, don't you think that's a duck?
Posted by dwman on :
lol up... I had you figured to be living in a higher lattitude. This darn goose went south.
Posted by dwman on :
night ... oooops
Goodnight all.
Posted by Upside on :
Well, all I know is all I have to do is keep promising him those shiny objects and he keeps coming back for more, even though I haven't delivered yet.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Well, all I know is all I have to do is keep promising him those shiny objects and he keeps coming back for more, even though I haven't delivered yet.
***************************************8Well if that's what it is doing, I think it's siblings' names can be found over on the CT board.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Well, all I know is all I have to do is keep promising him those shiny objects and he keeps coming back for more, even though I haven't delivered yet.LOL!
That's all well,and that's all good.
But have you tried one of these... http://www.uscanadian.net/photo.asp?id=366&sequence=0&photocount=5#Anode%20BarsThat might get his attention.But you might have to speak to his friend D. Legal Eagle first.
Posted by Upside on :
Actually he has a sibling. Ugliest bird you've ever seen, walks around in circles all day, bangs into things like he's drunk or something, just doesn't seem to have a clue as to what's going on. Answers to Melvin.
Posted by Upside on :
Pretty good highway. Some of those lumps, just like the ones in the Vegas pics, looks like they need a fresh coat of gold paint!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
"Answers to Melvin."LMAO Good night.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Gold paint,that stuff is way too expensive.
I think that is only used for tape.
Posted by Binky on :
And the composition of these anode bars according to the release is.........Nevada Magnetic Material, Inc., a Nevada corporation established in 1990, is focused on the production of Nickel Sulfide Anode Bars. The Anode Bars contain approximately 76.3% nickel, 1.4% silver, 1.7% gold and 20.6% residual materials according to the Company's most current Assay Report. To date the company has received 28 anode bars weighing ten pounds each and which the company believes have a value of in excess of $1,500 each.
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Upside:
[b]Well, all I know is all I have to do is keep promising him those shiny objects and he keeps coming back for more, even though I haven't delivered yet.
***************************************8Well if that's what it is doing, I think it's siblings' names can be found over on the CT board.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Now now Wallace.... I'm over at that board and I no brother to a goose. lol
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
LOL!
That's all well,and that's all good.
But have you tried one of these... http://www.uscanadian.net/photo.asp?id=366&sequence=0&photocount=5#Anode%20BarsWOW!!!! Upside, we need to find that goose. It lays golden eggs. lol
That might get his attention.But you might have to speak to his friend D. Legal Eagle first.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by dwman:
Now now Wallace.... I'm over at that board and I no brother to a goose. lol
***************************And all this time I thought the "dw" in dwman meant "duck walk". LOL
Posted by safeguard on :
USCA delisted from otcbb:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dailylist_search.asp?DirectSymbol=USCA&OTCBB=True[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited November 05, 2004).]
Posted by JEAL on :
SEC 15c2-11 Definition Link
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
USCA delisted from otcbb: http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dailylist_search.asp?DirectSymbol=USCA&OTCBB=True
Posted by JEAL on :
SEC 15c2-11 Definition Link
http://www.otcbb.com/aboutOTCBB/lastrules.stm
quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
USCA delisted from otcbb: http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dailylist_search.asp?DirectSymbol=USCA&OTCBB=True
Posted by tigertony on :
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posted on 5-11-2004 at 17:36
We will really need to wait to see what the outcome of this will be. There are so many possibilities at both ends of the spectrum.I am going to pray for the needs of CMKX and its affiliated people and companies. I will expect the best believing that all things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose.
-Debi
noahltlPartner
posted on 5-11-2004 at 17:42
Boaz, I think you are right on that. I didn't post this as a negative to USCA or that anything had gone very wrong. I think that USCA if delisted will return to the market as UCAD when cleared, and probably open down on pps.This would benefit the MMs who are still trying to cover their NSS position in CMKX and the attached dividend of UCAD / USCA and the forward split.
I think this is only one small element in the whole picture of what is going on in the SEC investigation. Gotta just keep faith in Roger, that he knows how to counter all of the MMs moves. His reputation is on the line in a very public way now. He will put up the fight of his career. IMO
Posted by bill1352 on :
the delisting may mean it heads to the pinks. it may not have filed on time. the last filing was june, its november, quarterly's should have been filed in oct. this may be why the trading halt. ucad has been saying how happy everyone would be after seeing the next filing and then don't file. with the pps increase & the forward split added to the fact they are in bed with cmkx which i'm sure the sec is watching if for no other reason then the daily volume, its no wonder the sec halted trading
Posted by tigertony on :
This might give a clue about ucad.Similar situation that happened.For Immediate Release
BioCurex Provides Update to Shareholders.RICHMOND, British Columbia, April 22nd 2004. -- BioCurex Inc. (BOCX.PK). On April 8, 2004 the Securities and Exchange Commission temporarily suspended trading in the common stock of Biocurex Inc for 10 trading days. After 4 days without trading activity, the NASD automatically moves OTCBB stocks to the Pink Sheets. To restart trading, whether it is in the Pink Sheets or on the OTCBB, a dealer/broker needs to file with the NASD, a Form 2-11 to demonstrate compliance with Rule 15c2-11 of the Securities Act of 1933.
This sequence of events is beyond our control and we share our investors’ frustration with this process.
We have received numerous inquiries which we would like to address at this time:
1. The Company has provided its auditors with its 10-K form and is awaiting their comments. In the meantime, the Company has filed its unaudited financial statements as an exhibit to an 8-K.
2. The Company has received many calls regarding an incorrect posting of our stock price of 2.7c in a handful of Internet sites. On April 19th, while trading was suspended, a transaction for 5,000 shares at 2.7c was entered into the system at 11:59:30AM ET and deleted at 1:17:19PM ET. Electronic systems such as Yahoo(TM) and others recorded the entering of this transaction. Some services have corrected the mistake but others have not and therefore they maintain an erroneous value for the last transaction. The company has contacted Reuters and others to fix this glitch.
Yahoo(TM)’s last transaction in its historical value section is $1.97. The same value is posted by MSN(TM) and Lycos(TM).
3. Our scientific and corporate activities continue to progress towards our previously defined goals.
BioCurex wishes to thank all of its shareholders for their patience and assures them that we are all doing our best to have trading in our shares resume as soon as possible. We are confident that once the pending issues are resolved, the focus will return to the relevance of our RECAF technology.
To read more about the Company, please visit the News section in our web site (www.biocurex.com).
About BioCurex:
BioCurex, Inc. is a biotechnology company that is developing products based on patented/proprietary technology in the areas of cancer diagnosis. The technology identifies a cancer marker known as RECAFtm, which is found on malignant cells from a variety of cancer types but is absent in most normal or benign cells. To read more about the Company, please visit the News section in our web site (www.biocurex.com).
Note: The Company has not authorized the release of this information in any form that contravenes the Communication Act and will not be responsible for unsolicited massive distribution of this material by e-mail or facsimile by unauthorized parties. Statements in this press release, which are not historical facts, are “forward-looking statements'' within the meaning given to that term in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The Company intends that such forward-looking statements be subject to the safe harbors created thereby. Since these statements involve risks and uncertainties and are subject to change at any time, the Company's actual results could differ materially from expected results.
Contact:
BioCurex, Inc
Tel: (604) 207 9150 www.biocurex.com
info@biocurex.com
Posted by Upside on :
And as of today they are still on the pink sheets.
Posted by JEAL on :
And as of today, there is no PR such as the above explaining to the shareholders what is going on
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
And as of today they are still on the pink sheets.
Posted by tigertony on :
Boy i try to post something positive sheesh.Man tough room.LOL
Posted by JEAL on :
TT - and of all people its me nonetheless with the slight twist of - half empty.I prefer not to make the complete change over to negativity just yet. ;0
quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
Boy i try to post something positive sheesh.Man tough room.LOL
Posted by tigertony on :
Well i am pulling for you guys.That was very similar.But you guys are right why did'nt they release something like that.This whole thing gets stranger by the day.Good Luckquote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
TT - and of all people its me nonetheless with the slight twist of - half empty.I prefer not to make the complete change over to negativity just yet. ;0
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hey tony,Thanks for the heads up on those CT posts. Cannot believe they are still convinced about NSS.
For those of you in USCA/UCAD, sorry. Hope you got in, made $$$ and got out earlier.
tradingpennys,
Remember our conversation about Dhonau and that Ohio litigation? Looks like his coat did not change! I think he also controls Nevada Minerals and IB2000 (both NV companies) and that they control USCA.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:
I prefer not to make the complete change over to negativity just yet. ;0I sense the dark side is strong in this one. JEAL, it is your destiny!
Posted by will on :
These people never clear things up. They have never been forthright and forthcoming. I have been saying that for over 6 months now. That's the problem here.
How they manage to get these foolhearted faithful to carry their banner and spin spin spin this mess as a positive is beyond me. If they were truly decent, honest, forthright people they would do everything in their power to explain their position to their investors. Honest people don't need other's prayers, they do the right thing. That partyline of not giving information because it will expose the "master plan", is old, tired, bullsh|t !!!
Posted by tigertony on :
LOL Jeal don't give in to the powers of the Upside.LOLquote:
Originally posted by Upside:
I sense the dark side is strong in this one. JEAL, it is your destiny!
Posted by tigertony on :
So what does this mean for cmkx in your opinion.quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Hey tony,Thanks for the heads up on those CT posts. Cannot believe they are still convinced about NSS.
For those of you in USCA/UCAD, sorry. Hope you got in, made $$$ and got out earlier.
tradingpennys,
Remember our conversation about Dhonau and that Ohio litigation? Looks like his coat did not change! I think he also controls Nevada Minerals and IB2000 (both NV companies) and that they control USCA.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by tigertony:
quote:
LOL Jeal don't give in to the powers of the Upside.LOLI think I'm going to create a new user name for myself just for posting here: Darkside.
Also downside for our other forum Tony.
Posted by safeguard on :
Here is an interesting post from another board...By: mrscashflow
05 Nov 2004, 03:31 PM EST
Msg. 58001 of 58010
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USCA Gag Order and Support
« Thread started on: Today at 1:17pm »--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To all USCA/CMKX Shareholders;USCA is under a gag order at this time as a result of the recent trading suspension imposed by the SEC. This gag order has now been extended to include the Investor Relations Representative Chris Hanneman. Please refrain from calling her at this time until the meeting on the 10th has been concluded. She is under direction not to accept or return phone calls.
If you have an questions or have anything to contribute in support of the USCA then please fax it to ( 7 0 2 ) - 8 7 3 - 8 9 17.
I encourage you all to write letters in support and to encourage to USCA for their generosity at the races, the shareholder's party and the wonderful treatment we have enjoyed to date through Chris Hanneman's support and tireless efforts and fax them in attention Rendall Williams. Rendall Williams and the many folks behind U. S. Canadian Minerals have gone above and beyond the call of duty to CMKX/USCA shareholders and could use our support. Fax your letters and questions to (702) 873-8917.
We are at a crucial juncture in these proceedings where everyone's cooperation is required in quelling rumors and misinformation. Please do not perpetuate unconfirmed and unsubstantiated information on the message boards, forums, blogs and even on PalTalk. This is a time top minimize our interactions online and let due process take its natural course.
I implore you all to assist in this effort by keeping the rumors down and giving USCA your support in this matter.
Please pass this request to all and post it on every board and forum to ensure widest dissemination.
Respectfully,
Jose Davila
elcaminocb http://www.elcaminocb.com
Posted by tigertony on :
sorry off topic.Hey i am in decent positive ground,redsox +200,bush +300,and fb hit for a 1,000 last wk.Up over 1100 after all my bets since fb started.So no to downside i prefer upside (no not you)LOLquote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by tigertony:
I think I'm going to create a new user name for myself just for posting here: Darkside.
Also downside for our other forum Tony.
Posted by tigertony on :
Hey upside how about showing us a draft of the letter you are gonna send in support of the generosity,and such about ucad.inquiring minds want to see it.
Posted by JEAL on :
Upside - you are reminding me of Darth Vader -
Come to the dark side JEAL - !
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
I sense the dark side is strong in this one. JEAL, it is your destiny!
Posted by JEAL on :
As tempting as it is - I will continue my relatively un-biasd opinion.Strong hold to what I have - but my fingers are slipping !
quote:
Originally posted by tigertony:
LOL Jeal don't give in to the powers of the Upside.LOL
Posted by Upside on :
I want to get Wills input on the letter also. I'm sure he feels their generosity too. The downside name would be for me Tony, remember me being all exited about the 13 game basketball slate? Can you say bloodbath? Upside's hemorrhaging a bit here.
Posted by will on :
Your better off putting your fingers around your .... !
quote:
Originally posted by JEAL:
As tempting as it is - I will continue my relatively un-biasd opinion.Strong hold to what I have - but my fingers are slipping !
Posted by JEAL on :
Thats assuming that I am of the gender....
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Your better off putting your fingers around your .... !
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Will:
quote:
Your better off putting your fingers around your .... !What's a ....!? Neck? Foot? Head?
Posted by JEAL on :
Thanks - hard read on that one
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Will:
What's a ....!? Neck? Foot? Head?
Posted by JEAL on :
No frets - and sorry for pulling your leg, I am on the male gender.Regardless, my fingers will remain tightly gripped to my shares.
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Your better off putting your fingers around your .... !
Posted by will on :
.... ----> wherever it feels good, because everything else about this is gonna feel BAD!
Both genders have a ....
Posted by Upside on :
quote:
Thanks - hard read on that oneNo pun intended?
Posted by JEAL on :
Touche!But no...
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
No pun intended?
Posted by will on :
No pud intended?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
No pun intended?
Posted by tigertony on :
Oh man don't like to hear that,use the brake.I hate when that happens.Less is more.Not so many cause it can happen that way, been there.My only play was wash last night.Good Luck I will go check my crystal ball it's got a crack but still works pretty good lately and let you know LOLquote:
Originally posted by Upside:
I want to get Wills input on the letter also. I'm sure he feels their generosity too. The downside name would be for me Tony, remember me being all exited about the 13 game basketball slate? Can you say bloodbath? Upside's hemorrhaging a bit here.[This message has been edited by tigertony (edited November 05, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
A letter supporting who, UCAD?
You have to be kidding. They threw everyone a restricted worthless bone that the faithful where orgasming all over themselves about.
They are master at the three card monty theory of conning people. Just keep laying out rotten carrots, and the faithful will ignore the stick, no matter how far, deep, and hard it is inserted.
Posted by will on :
They still believe in the "squeeze of the century" !!!
Come on folks, sober up.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by tigertony:
quote:
Oh man don't like to hear that,use the brake.Brake? I don't need no stinking brake! It's full blown stand on the gas time now! Big slate tonight. I think I'm gonna take the under on every one of them! Pretty smart fella here, eh?
Posted by will on :
Why don't you buy more CMKX. Maybe you can stop at 77M shares.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by tigertony:
Brake? I don't need no stinking brake! It's full blown stand on the gas time now! Big slate tonight. I think I'm gonna take the under on every one of them! Pretty smart fella here, eh?
Posted by tigertony on :
Thats the will i like to hear from, you tellem how it is.Upside don't do something crazy tonight and end up twice as bad.Crystal ball for what its worth sees a philly cheesesteak and remember over on 189th st in seattle.Think you will get hurt on overs tonight be careful.Jmho for what its worth wish you the best.Remember i am no genius either LOL.Good Luckquote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by tigertony:
Brake? I don't need no stinking brake! It's full blown stand on the gas time now! Big slate tonight. I think I'm gonna take the under on every one of them! Pretty smart fella here, eh?
Posted by Upside on :
It's not all that bad Tony. I went 5 and 8 on the 13 game slate. I'll take a bite out of that cheesesteak tonight and see how it goes.
Posted by tigertony on :
Be gentle there's a whole season to go.Breath dammit,breath.Relax remember your mantra hmm,hmm,hmmm,hmmmm deep breath relax hmm,hmmm.LOL Small cheesesteak remember me no genius, just sharing what i am doing.quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
It's not all that bad Tony. I went 5 and 8 on the 13 game slate. I'll take a bite out of that cheesesteak tonight and see how it goes.
Posted by Upside on :
No small cheesesteak for this guy Tony. I'm getting the Queen Mother of all cheesesteaks. Extra everything. Double or donut on the cheesesteak tonight!
Posted by tigertony on :
You're scaring mebetter post a bb thread on off topic before we take over this thread.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
No small cheesesteak for this guy Tony. I'm getting the Queen Mother of all cheesesteaks. Extra everything. Double or donut on the cheesesteak tonight!
Posted by Upside on :
Just started one Tony.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I'll bring it back around fellas.Re: "If you have an questions or have anything to contribute in support of the USCA then please fax it to ( 7 0 2 ) - 8 7 3 - 8 9 17."
Just like with Melvin, sent them $100K. Is that what they meant by "anything to contribute in support of USCA"?
tony,
I think this will knock CMKX out completely. They are too closely tied in with the USCA/UCAD gang. Like I once said, "Birds of a feather molt together"!
Hope you all know what "molt" means. Farmers' talk.
Posted by will on :
Speaking of farmers, where is Van ? Wonder what he makes of all this crap?
Posted by tigertony on :
Don't remember but this company is connected to gemm i think,not sure.They halted themselves.VANCOUVER, Nov. 5 /CNW/ -
DIAGEM INTERNATIONAL RESOURCE CORP. ("DGM")
BULLETIN TYPE: Halt
BULLETIN DATE: November 5, 2004
TSX Venture Tier 2 Company
Effective at 12:45 p.m. PST, November 5, 2004, trading in the shares of the Company was halted at the request of the Company, pending an announcement; this regulatory halt is imposed by Market Regulation Services, the Market Regulator of the Exchange pursuant to the provisions of Section 10.9(1) of the Universal Market Integrity Rules.http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/orgDisplay.cgi?okey=60479
For further information
Market Information Services at 1-888-873-8392 or email: information@tsxventure.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: TSX Venture Exchange - Halts and Resumptions
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will,I think someone said that VAN is over on that CT board.
tony,
I remember seeing something about that as well.
Posted by will on :
Wouldn't surprise me if he was over there. No one has to put up with reality there, they like fantasy land.
Posted by Upside on :
Hey everyone, I was having a great night up until about a half an hour ago. Wife is out with some friends, just me and the dog home alone. Decided to start a fire as it's a little cold here in Wisconsin. Got it going nice and warm, stepped out into the garage for about 2 minutes, came back in to find a burning log had rolled right through the fireplace screen, off the hearth, and onto the carpet. I come in and the dog is standing there like a dumb azz barking at the log while the carpets smoldering. No damage other than some burned carpet which will now have to be replaced. Wife is due home soon, how am I going to explain this one away?
Posted by tigertony on :
Saw his name over there as a mod i think.Wallace normally if a company halts themselves,it would be to announce good news,unless they have been dragged into this somehow and were told it would be easier on them that way.Who knows anymore.
Posted by tigertony on :
Upside the same way you just did.Homeowners will cover it less the deductible.Just tell her she needs to read something and let her read it here.Good Luck That sucks,always something.
Posted by will on :
1. convert it to gas.
2. you won't have to tell her anything, just leave the log there, she'll understand when she sees it.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Hey everyone, I was having a great night up until about a half an hour ago. Wife is out with some friends, just me and the dog home alone. Decided to start a fire as it's a little cold here in Wisconsin. Got it going nice and warm, stepped out into the garage for about 2 minutes, came back in to find a burning log had rolled right through the fireplace screen, off the hearth, and onto the carpet. I come in and the dog is standing there like a dumb azz barking at the log while the carpets smoldering. No damage other than some burned carpet which will now have to be replaced. Wife is due home soon, how am I going to explain this one away?
Posted by Upside on :
Now that's good advice there pal. That's gonna look real good when she comes home and I'm sitting there staring at a burning log. She'll love me for that.
Posted by Upside on :
Gotta figure out a way to blame the dog for this one!
Posted by will on :
If she doesn't like it, tell her to move out.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Now that's good advice there pal. That's gonna look real good when she comes home and I'm sitting there staring at a burning log. She'll love me for that.
Posted by tigertony on :
Now i am LMAO picturing that.Okay different story tell her about how when you came in the carpet was actually on fire,and sound a little shook and how you put it out and thank god thats all that happpened could have been alot worse.quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Now that's good advice there pal. That's gonna look real good when she comes home and I'm sitting there staring at a burning log. She'll love me for that.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:
If she doesn't like it, tell her to move out.Can I send her your way? She'll make chicken salad for you.
Posted by will on :
You could tell her you and the dog were having sex, and the dog went nuts and jumped in the fire. LOL
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Gotta figure out a way to blame the dog for this one![This message has been edited by will (edited November 05, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by some azzhole:
quote:
You could tell her you and the dog were having sex, and the dog went nuts and jumped in the fire. LOLShe might believe that. I'd have to singe the dog though.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Tell her Santa did it. Came early, dropped down the chimney and when he burned his butt, his foot kicked out the log and he climbed right back up and disappeared with a faint "Ho Ho Sh:t".
Posted by Upside on :
She'd probably believe Wills story before that one.
Posted by will on :
She won't believe that, but she will go for the dog story, I'm sure.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Tell her Santa did it. Came early, dropped down the chimney and when he burned his butt, his foot kicked out the log and he climbed right back up and disappeared with a faint "Ho Ho Sh:t".
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
She'd probably believe Wills story before that one.
********************************Well, if you pull the sex story, you had better have some sheep around where you live.
At least that makes some sense. Will should have known better!PS: I am sure he can fill you in on the details!
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 05, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Hell, Up, if you give her that dog story and she smells sheep on your breath, you know damn well you'll get your azz kicked!
Posted by will on :
Look what this stock and thread has come to !!! LOL
It isn't even worthy of serious consideration or thought.
It is truly a POS !!!
Posted by Upside on :
Where can a guy buy a sheep at 9:45 at night?
Posted by will on :
I'd have to drive up there, and help you out. Knowing you, you'd buy an ugly one, and your wife would laugh at you.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Where can a guy buy a sheep at 9:45 at night?
Posted by Upside on :
Good point Will. You've gotta have some in stock. Meet you halfway? Bring a pretty one, with lipstick on.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Where can a guy buy a sheep at 9:45 at night?
****************************I think Will told me he keeps one handy...just for emergencies. Doesn't he live somewhere around you? Just tell him to run it over.
I'd better get off now. Good night all!
Sleep tight in those wooly pajamas, Up.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 05, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Good point Will. You've gotta have some in stock. Meet you halfway? Bring a pretty one, with lipstick on.
*********************************Couldn't resist this one before I left.
Will, you never told me you wear lipstick.
Posted by Upside on :
He's downright purty in lipstick.
Posted by ohsnap on :
Stock play of the century scorecard:CMKX PPS going nowhere...
JV's going down...
USCA suspended...delisted...
Diagem(GEMM JV)...self-imposed halt...
yup all is still well
Posted by Highwaychild on :
FUN,FUN!...
Thanks for all the excellent DD.
You guys are good.LOL!
Posted by Upside on :
Pretty impressed with all that hard work we did yesterday highway?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Oh yea,sure was.Except... I kept having horrible nightmares last night of rabid sheep dogs chasing me thru a forrest fire, and they were tring to put lipstick on me.LOL[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited November 06, 2004).]
Posted by Kate on :
Does anyone know if CMKX is going to start trading, ever again? Wallace?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Kate:
Does anyone know if CMKX is going to start trading, ever again? Wallace?
*************************************Kate,
Unless I missed something, CMKX is still trading. I think it closed at .0002 on Friday last. It did court .0001 as well. GLTY
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Hey tony,Thanks for the heads up on those CT posts. Cannot believe they are still convinced about NSS.
For those of you in USCA/UCAD, sorry. Hope you got in, made $$$ and got out earlier.
tradingpennys,
Remember our conversation about Dhonau and that Ohio litigation? Looks like his coat did not change! I think he also controls Nevada Minerals and IB2000 (both NV companies) and that they control USCA.
People DON'T change. All the praying in the world won't change what's happening. Urban is just what he is.... Unfortunately I found that court record tooooo late. If I had found that info PRIOR to giving this azzh0le over 8k of my money I would NOT have even invested anything.
He was perfecting the multi-million dollar scam of our life time. What a slimmy snake.I have a feeling that UCAD's financial situation hadn't changed since thier last filing. And I have a gut feeling that they won't be filing anytime soon if at all. Just another part of the "MASTER plan" unfolding.
All this share trading between themselves is only on paper. There couldn't be a VALUE on claims.
I think what has unfolded is the end of the manipulation, game over, we lose!
No PR's ... NOTHING! How fricken professional is that????
re: the 2 other companys - I think he has his grubby mits in more than that!! I would venture to say possibly 6 others or more.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
tradingpennys,You wrote:
NOTHING! How fricken professional is that????
************************************That is the only thing that they never claimed to be...and demonstrated it extremely well!!!!
Posted by derek111c on :
LOL, pretty funny
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Hey everyone, I was having a great night up until about a half an hour ago. Wife is out with some friends, just me and the dog home alone. Decided to start a fire as it's a little cold here in Wisconsin. Got it going nice and warm, stepped out into the garage for about 2 minutes, came back in to find a burning log had rolled right through the fireplace screen, off the hearth, and onto the carpet. I come in and the dog is standing there like a dumb azz barking at the log while the carpets smoldering. No damage other than some burned carpet which will now have to be replaced. Wife is due home soon, how am I going to explain this one away?
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
tradingpennys,You wrote:
NOTHING! How fricken professional is that????
************************************That is the only thing that they never claimed to be...and demonstrated it extremely well!!!!
LOL !! Gotta love ya Wallace!
Posted by Kate on :
Ok, I had heard a rumor it was stopped for some reason, and it actually was, on my page, but it is going now! You can tell how often I check!
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
been there i put ceramic tile down in front of the fire place
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Hey everyone, I was having a great night up until about a half an hour ago. Wife is out with some friends, just me and the dog home alone. Decided to start a fire as it's a little cold here in Wisconsin. Got it going nice and warm, stepped out into the garage for about 2 minutes, came back in to find a burning log had rolled right through the fireplace screen, off the hearth, and onto the carpet. I come in and the dog is standing there like a dumb azz barking at the log while the carpets smoldering. No damage other than some burned carpet which will now have to be replaced. Wife is due home soon, how am I going to explain this one away?
Posted by bill1352 on :
the first gemm is supposed to be paid on the 15th?? with the second on the 30th i think. am i correct on this?? i was looking at pr's but could only find the second pay date. i ask this because gemm was around before ucad & cmkx & with both dividends added together it could cover a bit of the loses from cmkx as they are not restricted. they might even be worth holding for a while unless of course ucad drags they down. my guess is they will be the only survivior in this whole mess since they were up & running yrs before either of the main idiots.
Posted by ed19363 on :
Bill, I have the 15th and 30th as paydates. Don't know if they will be restricted or not, or if they will even be paid with all the BS going on right now with CMKX/UCAD/Etc/Etc/Etc.quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
the first gemm is supposed to be paid on the 15th?? with the second on the 30th i think. am i correct on this?? i was looking at pr's but could only find the second pay date. i ask this because gemm was around before ucad & cmkx & with both dividends added together it could cover a bit of the loses from cmkx as they are not restricted. they might even be worth holding for a while unless of course ucad drags they down. my guess is they will be the only survivior in this whole mess since they were up & running yrs before either of the main idiots.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i would think that they will have to pay them. they have already announced them. the only thing that they are allowed to do is delay the payout up to 10 days. this is only my opinion and should not be taken as gospel
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Bill, I have the 15th and 30th as paydates. Don't know if they will be restricted or not, or if they will even be paid with all the BS going on right now with CMKX/UCAD/Etc/Etc/Etc.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/markets/sec_investigates/index.htm?cnn=yes
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. http://www.ourbusinessweb.com/cmkx/default.asp[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited November 08, 2004).]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Now its USCA.PK.....pink death....
Posted by Upside on :
Nothing like a long slow pink death.
Posted by tigertony on :
At least it still shows up.LOL
Posted by bill1352 on :
could be that the great report ucad was bragging about wasn't so great. i seem to remember rendall saying investers would be very happy with the next report on the first green baron interveiw & a few other places. these type of statements and then not filing a report might be the reason behind the SEC trading halt.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
At least I got the 3-1 split for my UCAD/USCA divvy on Ameritrade.GL everyone
Posted by ed19363 on :
Yeah, I got mine yesterday too...problem is they are restricted shares, and who knows if they will be worth .0001 by the time the restriction is lifted.
Ed
quote:
Originally posted by TruthTeller:
At least I got the 3-1 split for my UCAD/USCA divvy on Ameritrade.GL everyone
Posted by Upside on :
.0001 Ed? That might be a little on the optimistic side.
Posted by will on :
Hey! Those UCAD dividends made this a smart play if you had 50M shares or more, remember?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
.0001 Ed? That might be a little on the optimistic side.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
First it needs to be trading again, then we have that $250 fee (?!?!?) and then the restriction has to be lifted. Sounds too easy
quote:
Originally posted by ed19363:
Yeah, I got mine yesterday too...problem is they are restricted shares, and who knows if they will be worth .0001 by the time the restriction is lifted.
Ed
Posted by tradingpennys on :
quote:
Originally posted by TruthTeller:
First it needs to be trading again, then we have that $250 fee (?!?!?) and then the restriction has to be lifted. Sounds too easyI think that "fee" in all actuality is the immediate tax that is all due and payable when the shares become UNrestricted.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Will:
quote:
Hey! Those UCAD dividends made this a smart play if you had 50M shares or more, remember?Come on guy, anyone with half a brain can see that this is the "stock play of a lifetime". Tone down the negativity a bit, ok?
Posted by bill1352 on :
anyone watching ct? are our old friends still positive? i find it hard to believe ppl would still be thinking they might get rich
Posted by sharkus on :
IBC radio just said something about an extension for the investigation ....anyone catch that?------------------
78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by Binky on :
IN THE MATTER OF
THE SECURITIES ACT, 1988, S. S. 1988, c. S-42.2
AND
IN THE MATTER OF
URBAN ARMAND JOSEPH CASAVANT
DAVID DeSORMEAU
CASAVANT MINING KIMBERLITE INTERNATIONAL
CMKM DIAMONDS, INC.
MELVIN A. O'NEIL
EXTENDING ORDER
(Section 134)
WHEREAS the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission, Securities Division issued a
Temporary Order dated October 26, 2004 (the "Temporary Order") pursuant to clause 134(1)(d)
of The Securities Act, 1988, S.S. 1988, c. S-42.2 (the "Act") that trading in securities in
Saskatchewan by Urban Armand Joseph Casavant ("Casavant"), David DeSormeau
("DeSormeau"), Casavant Mining Kimberlite International ("CMKI"), CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
("CMKM") and Melvin A. O'Neil ("O'Neil"), (collectively the "Respondents"); cease forthwith
up to and including November 9, 2004 and that pursuant to clause 134(1)(a) of the Act that the
exemptions contained in sections 38, 39, 39.1, 81, 82, and 102 of the Act and the exemptions
contained in The Securities Regulations, R.R.S., c. S-42.2 Reg 1, which provide for exemptions
from the requirements of sections 27, 58, 71, or 104 to 109 of the Act, shall not apply forthwith
up to and including November 9, 2004 with respect to any trade in securities by the
Respondents;
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not received a request from the Respondents for a hearing
pursuant to the terms of the Temporary Order;
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not been provided with satisfactory information with respect
to this matter;
AND WHEREAS the Commission is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this
Order;
THE COMMISSION HEREBY ORDERS pursuant to subsection 134(3) of the Act that the
Temporary Order be and is hereby extended until the Commission is provided with satisfactory
information to enable it to make a further order in this matter.
DATED at Regina, Saskatchewan on November 9, 2004.
"David Wild"
David Wild, Chairperson
Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission
Posted by sharkus on :
quote:
Originally posted by Binky:
IN THE MATTER OF
THE SECURITIES ACT, 1988, S. S. 1988, c. S-42.2
AND
IN THE MATTER OF
URBAN ARMAND JOSEPH CASAVANT
DAVID DeSORMEAU
CASAVANT MINING KIMBERLITE INTERNATIONAL
CMKM DIAMONDS, INC.
MELVIN A. O'NEIL
EXTENDING ORDER
(Section 134)
WHEREAS the Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission, Securities Division issued a
Temporary Order dated October 26, 2004 (the "Temporary Order") pursuant to clause 134(1)(d)
of The Securities Act, 1988, S.S. 1988, c. S-42.2 (the "Act") that trading in securities in
Saskatchewan by Urban Armand Joseph Casavant ("Casavant"), David DeSormeau
("DeSormeau"), Casavant Mining Kimberlite International ("CMKI"), CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
("CMKM") and Melvin A. O'Neil ("O'Neil"), (collectively the "Respondents"); cease forthwith
up to and including November 9, 2004 and that pursuant to clause 134(1)(a) of the Act that the
exemptions contained in sections 38, 39, 39.1, 81, 82, and 102 of the Act and the exemptions
contained in The Securities Regulations, R.R.S., c. S-42.2 Reg 1, which provide for exemptions
from the requirements of sections 27, 58, 71, or 104 to 109 of the Act, shall not apply forthwith
up to and including November 9, 2004 with respect to any trade in securities by the
Respondents;
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not received a request from the Respondents for a hearing
pursuant to the terms of the Temporary Order;
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not been provided with satisfactory information with respect
to this matter;
AND WHEREAS the Commission is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this
Order;
THE COMMISSION HEREBY ORDERS pursuant to subsection 134(3) of the Act that the
Temporary Order be and is hereby extended until the Commission is provided with satisfactory
information to enable it to make a further order in this matter.
DATED at Regina, Saskatchewan on November 9, 2004.
"David Wild"
David Wild, Chairperson
Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission
Thank You Binky------------------
78.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot...The other 35% are made up later on.
Posted by Binky on :
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not received a request from the Respondents for a hearing
pursuant to the terms of the Temporary Order;
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not been provided with satisfactory information with respect
to this matter;
AND WHEREAS the Commission is of the opinion that it is in the public interest to make this
Order;
THE COMMISSION HEREBY ORDERS pursuant to subsection 134(3) of the Act that the
Temporary Order be and is hereby extended until the Commission is provided with satisfactory
information to enable it to make a further order in this matter.
------------------------------------------
Kinda have this feeling that CMKM may not trade in Sask. anymore.[This message has been edited by Binky (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by ed19363 on :
Oh, please, UC twist that knife one more time....it feels so good when you stop.
Posted by Upside on :
He hasn't stopped Ed, we're just used to the pain.
Posted by tradingpennys on :
I wonder why they extended the time.
Just put the last nails in this coffin and bury it!I have my last million up for the past 3 trading days @ .0002 and it ain't moving. ggggrrrrrrrrr
[This message has been edited by tradingpennys (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by bill1352 on :
my shares are up there to trading. must be moveing from just over .0001 to just below .0002. they might go if ucad gets off the trading halt tomorrow. if not i might try .00015, not sure if ameritrade will take that request.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Doesn't look like it is getting any better does it? Let's put on a party and invite UC, DeSormeau, Melvin, Williams and Dhonau to it...sort of private like, you know.They won't have to worry about any so-called "gag order". I wonder if that gag order is just another excuse. Anyone see any reason for there to be a gag order...from a legal point of view? Certainly the release from the Canadian authorities made no mention of said gag order.
Posted by Doctoall on :
They are gaging alright from all the BS that they have dished out. They will gag even more when they get to the big house. Taking up a collection for them, I am going to buy them some soap without a rope.------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Bill,Man!! You must be getting it both ways! Holding CMKX and trading with Ameritrade. GLTY
Posted by Upside on :
Oh I don't know about that Wallace. If they came to a party we held for them they just might have to worry about a "gag order", of a different kind though.
And to answer your question about a legal gag order, no, I see no mention of one from the Canadian authorities nor from the SEC. My hunch is that shareholders came up with that and now the companies are perpetuating it.
Posted by safeguard on :
oops sorry for the double post[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by tradingpennys on :
That's the way I look at it.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Oh I don't know about that Wallace. If they came to a party we held for them they just might have to worry about a "gag order", of a different kind though.
And to answer your question about a legal gag order, no, I see no mention of one from the Canadian authorities nor from the SEC. My hunch is that shareholders came up with that and now the companies are perpetuating it.
Posted by safeguard on :
interesting comments here... http://www.zoomingstocks.com/
Posted by dwman on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
He hasn't stopped Ed, we're just used to the pain.LOL... Thanks Up for making sure we don't get too serious.
Don
Posted by Upside on :
Safeguard,
Zoomingstocks is operated by ElCamino of Paltalk fame. A huge longtime CMKX shareholder. Take a look at their current stockpicks. Nice and non-biased.
Posted by will on :
This is the quiet period they were talking about in late August. Now they have good reason to shut the f... up. Keeps their asses out of jail a bit longer.
They better pray for these thieves.
Posted by CHIMAN34 on :
I want to see what the next pr will say. I mean do you guys really think they would even show up in Vegas and show their faces if this was going down? I am still holding, can't go much lower. I still think something will happen, time will tell. Until this thing gets cleared, there is nothing we can say, just our opinions. Give it time people, we can speculate all we can, say this and that, but give it time. I think some just like to type all day and have nothing better to do.
Posted by will on :
Brilliant, hopeful, speculation. Give it time everything will be ok. Who would dare show their face at a party with this going down?
They had no idea this would be the state of affairs when they planned it. To not show at all would have been more foolish. Nothing was going to happen to them for showing up. That's a pretty weak arguement you have.
quote:
Originally posted by CHIMAN34:
I want to see what the next pr will say. I mean do you guys really think they would even show up in Vegas and show their faces if this was going down? I am still holding, can't go much lower. I still think something will happen, time will tell. Until this thing gets cleared, there is nothing we can say, just our opinions. Give it time people, we can speculate all we can, say this and that, but give it time. I think some just like to type all day and have nothing better to do.[This message has been edited by will (edited November 09, 2004).]
[This message has been edited by will (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by CHIMAN34:
quote:
I think some just like to type all day and have nothing better to do.I can't speak for others but in my case, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head!
Posted by will on :
I like to argue!
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by CHIMAN34:
I can't speak for others but in my case, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head!
Posted by Cortney on :
Not that I really want
to be involved
in this thread, but
I was just wondering if
the skeptics on this thread
are going to apologize if
you are wrong about this stock
and it does turn out to be the
play of the century and you
talked people into selling?
(costing them a lot of money?)
Just curious
Do your own DD!!!
Posted by will on :
I will be glad to apologize, means I would have made money. However, all the signs are pointing to the con job of the century right now. You can pray and hope all you want, a con is a con, and a cheat is a cheat. Things are looking more like bad than good.
The three CMKX clowns are restricted from buying or selling any stock, and UCAD was halted. Not looking like the play of the century. Suspension of UCAD was extended also. LOOKS GREAT, NOT!
quote:
Originally posted by Cortney:
Not that I really want
to be involved
in this thread, but
I was just wondering if
the skeptics on this thread
are going to apologize if
you are wrong about this stock
and it does turn out to be the
play of the century and you
talked people into selling?
(costing them a lot of money?)
Just curious
Do your own DD!!!
Posted by Cortney on :
Will
I was just wondering!
I just read this thread
for kicks and always think
what if it was the play of
the century!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Cortney:
quote:
Not that I really want
to be involved
in this thread, but
I was just wondering if
the skeptics on this thread
are going to apologize if
you are wrong about this stock
and it does turn out to be the
play of the century and you
talked people into selling?
(costing them a lot of money?)
Just curious
Do your own DD!!!Absolutely! I hope I am wrong as I'm a shareholder too. I'm not above eating a big slice of humble pie. Not gonna happen though.
Posted by will on :
"and it does turn out to be the
play of the century and you
talked people into selling?
(costing them a lot of money?)
Just curious
Do your own DD!!!"I'm curious about your logic. You accuse skeptics of talking people into selling, and then advise them to do their own DD. Which is it, should they listen to others or do their own work?
..and if it turns out to be a bust should those that touted this stock appolgize to the sheep that followed them too?
Posted by CHIMAN34 on :
WIll. I said give it time, and I never said everything will be okay. Give it time because that's all we can do now. Please, get real. Also, about the Vegas thing. A lady freaked out, what if it was a few guys, maybe drunk, maybe just crazy. Anyone could have kicked some ass and they wouild not have cared if they got in trouble, as long as they got 1 good punch. I know some people like that, they don't care of what happens to them as long as they can fight and throw a few.
And I never said everything will be okay.
Posted by Cortney on :
Will
You do love to fight!
Always follow your own DD.
You guys have fun!
Posted by Cortney on :
Will
If any one follows some one
else when it comes to stocks
then you my as well just hand
your money to me! I could
use a new car!
Posted by will on :
Well, after rereading this:"I was just wondering if
the skeptics on this thread
are going to apologize if
you are wrong about this stock
and it does turn out to be the
play of the century and you
talked people into selling?
(costing them a lot of money?)"I would take those remarks as being supportive of CMKX, and chastising skeptics for their opinions. The management of CMKX have never been forthright and honest in their PR's or reporting. Right now the cautious and skeptical look like their position are being proven correct. CMKX thrived on some double talking lead investors, and weak minded folks that took their inuendo, rumor, and touting as fact. The faithful invested big dollars here, and conned themselves, and others, into the "play of the century", "the squeeze of the century", and it appears to be the "screwing of the century"!
If you don't want to be involved in this thread, then don't. If you want to come here and try to overcome the obvious that any right minded person can see, then be prepared for a difference in opinion to yours. If typing that subtle bash of skeptics is the best you can do, then run off, sobeit. I don't think anyone here shares your opinion, so don't allude to someone challenging your tripe as someone who likes to fight. GIT!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Will:
quote:
I don't think anyone here shares your opinion, so don't allude to someone challenging your tripe as someone who likes to fight. GIT!Heck, Ill change my position in a heartbeat if you really want to fight!
Posted by will on :
I would gladly change my position if the facts told me to. With the state of affairs as they are I have no choice but to have a negative position.
Can someone give me positives? I don't mean, "they own 1.4 million acres of mineral rights, or they have Roger Glenn", either. Those were the two major positives the faithful hung their hats on. Maybe I don't understand this stock? Maybe being halted and investigateded is a good thing? Maybe I find negatives where there aren't any? Maybe being halted and investigateded is a good thing? Maybe I kvetch too much? Maybe being halted and investigateded is a good thing?
Maybe some other people need to apologize for costing others money talking them into buying this stock? Maybe they need to admit there was a chance of the skeptics being right 6 - 8 months ago?
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Will:
Heck, Ill change my position in a heartbeat if you really want to fight!
Posted by Upside on :
Ok Will, positives you want, positives you get. Let's start with CMKX itself, its going through the roof and trading at.... oops, .0001/.0002. Ok then, UCAD! Now there's a mover that we own and is really going to rise and.... oops, that one's halted, delisted and under SEC investigation. Well then CIM, how about CIM?! We're getting DIVIDENDS there and that means.... oops, can't trade that one. Let me think here, AHA, GEMM, yes GEMM! More DIVIDENDS, tradeable upon receipt for instant wealth and.... oops, only worth 9 or 10 bucks per million CMKX shares. Darn it, you bashers just might be onto something here. Oh well, it matters not because I'm one of the faithful! Long and strong to the end!
Posted by Cortney on :
You guys are funny!
I'm not into this stock!
I just get a kick out of reading
what you guys post!
I was just asking a simple question!
If you don't have no faith in this
stock then why don't you sell and
move on to some thing bigger and better?
Posted by bckibler on :
USCA/CMKX may have some unsettled issues, or may be on the brink of unseating shady MM's & Hedge fund companies. For those who still are beating the "this is a scam" drum I'd like to know if they honestly believe that a company out to scam 40,000 + stockholders would ingeniously incorporate a top flight SEC attorney into their scam plan? Do they truly think Roger Glenn is part of the scam? Can they actually think that Rendell and UC are so insidiously sly that they also scammed R.G? Do they really believe that by actually giving stockholders dividends(that may not be at top dollar value now, but unless the doubters have crystal balls, who knows what their value may be worth in a years time)they will be lulled into not knowing they have bought into a scam? We only know that USCA/CMKX have been temporarily halted. We don't know the other side of the story and IMO the long and faithful will be rewarded greatly, and the "Scam Troopers" will be left out in the cold, which is where they probably already are and that is why they're screaming "scam". Get real people. If you think this is a scam then it would have to be a scheme of monumental proportions and you don't usually involve prestigious attorneys if you're out to scam folks. I imagine you would actually try to avoid contact with the legal element.
Posted by TruthTeller on :
UC is planning to be around in 2005, wants to fund the funny car and 3 drivers (not just Jeff). Are the A/S going to be 2Trillion?--------------------------------------------
In 2005, the precious gem conglomerate, CMKM Diamonds, headed by board chairman Urban Casavant, will back a new multi-class assault group with Funny Car drivers Jeff Arend and Tony Bartone, and Pro Stock Motorcycle rider Connie Cohen all competing at all 23 of the NHRA POWERade national events.
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Here is the actual link.. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?id=1919468
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bckibler:
quote:
I imagine you would actually try to avoid contact with the legal element.Look at the other side of that coin. If you had dug youself a hole so deep that it could hold 800 billion shares, and 40,000+ investors might be coming after you with anything ranging from rocks and sticks to class action lawsuits, would you not seek out the best attorney your money could buy or would you sit back and let yourself get beaten to a pulp?
Posted by Doctoall on :
There has been a hell of alot said about this stock, and IMO no one knows what is going to happen with this stock. We are going to have to wait and see. The pps is remaining the same and although its future is somewhat cloudy, we just don't know whats happening behind closed doors. There is plenty of speculation that it is dead amd also that its alive and well. When all is said and done, no one outside the Uraban ring knows for sure, so we continue to speculate. Thats the bottom line, speculation and speculation only.------------------
"If We Agree To Disagree, Then We Can Remain friends"[This message has been edited by Doctoall (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by Cortney on :
Are you guys going to answer
my question.
I have to go watch the country
music awards soon?If you don't have no faith in this
stock then why don't you sell and
move on to some thing bigger and better?Isn't it better to take a small
loss now than a big loss later?
Posted by will on :
"USCA/CMKX may have some unsettled issues, or may be on the brink of unseating shady MM's & Hedge fund companies."
"I'd like to know if they honestly believe that a company out to scam 40,000 + stockholders would ingeniously incorporate a top flight SEC attorney into their scam plan?"So, they are still clinging to:
"evil MM's" conspired against CMKX, along with the SEC and DTC. The UCAD dividend debunked the "squeeze of the century" theory.
People hire top flight attorneys to clean up messes and keep their butts out of jail.You maybe correct, but all evidence points to trouble, liars, cheats, thieves, con, at this time. The proof is the state affairs, three CMKX management barred from trading, UCAD halted/investigated. What proof do you have that makes you beat the faithful's drum. I would say reality is closer to this being a scam as opposed to the play of a life time. If you can, please tell me where I am wrong.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Cortney:
quote:
If you don't have no faith in this
stock then why don't you sell and
move on to some thing bigger and better?Why sell? With so much speculation out there there is a chance this could still rise whether it's a real company or not. If it goes down the drain, no big deal. If I sold I'd lose interest in it and miss out on all of this fun.
Posted by Cortney on :
Fair enough!
Plus, I wouldn't get to
have fun reading your guys
posting! I'm going to go watch
the Country Music Awards!
Posted by bckibler on :
"You maybe correct, but all evidence points to trouble, liars, cheats, thieves, con, at this time."You just described the MM's and Hedge fund operators and if you don't think this has been naked shorted then you must be living in lala land.
Posted by will on :
You have my answer, yes, I would apologize, but I am willing to bet there will be no need to.
I invested $350 and might be able to sell for $300 @ .0002, $150 for sure @ .0001. It is not a substantial amount of money, but it paid my way into the cheap seats where I can boo or cheer. Like I said, I just might like to argue. Owning some of this crap keeps me interested. Believe it or not, this thread has become great entrtainment for me. Sounds like you don't, or never have owned any CMKX, so who is sillier, me for owning it and not selling it, or you for wasting your and everyone's time? You didn't even pay for your ticket. You're the misfit, not I.
quote:
Originally posted by Cortney:
You guys are funny!
I'm not into this stock!
I just get a kick out of reading
what you guys post!
I was just asking a simple question!
If you don't have no faith in this
stock then why don't you sell and
move on to some thing bigger and better?
Posted by will on :
Why wasn't the short position exposed when the UCAD dividend was paid to out accounts with restricted shares? Explain that in clear detail to me. Break it down like I'm a six year old, so everyone can follow your logic and undertstand your explanation.
quote:
Originally posted by bckibler:
"You maybe correct, but all evidence points to trouble, liars, cheats, thieves, con, at this time."You just described the MM's and Hedge fund operators and if you don't think this has been naked shorted then you must be living in lala land.
Posted by Cortney on :
Will
You DO LIKE TO FIGHT!
$350 thats not enough to even
spend out on the town!
CMA's are on so bye! Keep entertaining!!
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bckibler:
quote:
You just described the MM's and Hedge fund operators and if you don't think this has been naked shorted then you must be living in lala land.bckibler,
I'll be the first to admit that I have no concrete proof that this is a scam. My feelings towards this stock are based upon it's history, Mr. Casavant's history, and it's current performance. Apparently though you have proof of the naked shorts as you don't seem to be living in "lala land". Please share it with us.
Posted by bckibler on :
Popular opinion is that the UCAD dividend ratio may not be accurate and that is ultimately why the halt was enforced. The short position HAS been exposed and D. Roger Glenn will be meeting with the SEC in California to discuss that very topic tomorrow.
Posted by bckibler on :
I also am off to watch the CMA's and will check back in later. Have enjoyed discussing our differing viewpoints and hold only successful investing hopes for you! I am long and strong in CMKX.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by bckibler:
quote:
The short position HAS been exposed and D. Roger Glenn will be meeting with the SEC in California to discuss that very topic tomorrow.Wow, that's major news and I hadn't heard it. Can you supply a link to the information?
Posted by will on :
That is your detailed, clear explanation?
"popular opinion" , and "The short position HAS been exposed and D. Roger Glenn will be meeting with the SEC in California to discuss that very topic"
Kind of short on facts, I'd say. I asked for detailed, clear explanation not some bullcrap explanation without any fcactual information to back it up. It is always the same with you people, you tell us we don't know crap, and spin us with some unfounded nonsense and double talk. You have no proof, and less credibility with me.
quote:
Originally posted by bckibler:
Popular opinion is that the UCAD dividend ratio may not be accurate and that is ultimately why the halt was enforced. The short position HAS been exposed and D. Roger Glenn will be meeting with the SEC in California to discuss that very topic tomorrow.
Posted by Upside on :
Hold on a minute there Will my basher friend. He/she said the short position HAD been exposed so maybe a link to the information will be forthcoming. It is possible that the news broke and you, I, and everyone else here missed it.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Time to stick my 2 cents in this thing.If the people at USCA/UCAD and those at CMKX (Casavant, DeSormeau, Melvin) do exactly what Dhonau did back in Ohio, they just might get a CEASE AND DESIST ORDER. In other words, a slap on the hand. That's what Dhonau did...he never responded and that is what happened to him in that case.
Maybe that is what they hope to get by not responding.
********************************8bckibler wrote:
"For those who still are beating the "this is a scam" drum I'd like to know if they honestly believe that a company out to scam 40,000 + stockholders would ingeniously incorporate a top flight SEC attorney into their scam plan?"
YES!!! And, "top flight SEC attorney" are the words of yourself and other cult members.
and wrote:
"Do they truly think Roger Glenn is part of the scam?"
MAYBE - MAYBE NOT!!! One thing is certain and that is that Glenn is there to TRY to protect their butts! No other known reason.
and wrote:
"Can they actually think that Rendell and UC are so insidiously sly that they also scammed R.G?"
It does not matter!!! RG is there for the money...PERIOD. That is why law firms exist.
Seems to me that I have heard an expression that "All lawyers are whores".
********************************YES, it does look like 40,000 plus people got sucked into this thing. Isn't that what a successful SCAM is meant to accomplish?
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by safeguard on :
hmmm...nothing new posted here...
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions.shtmlno update, nothing...so will usca be trading again tomorrow?
[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited November 09, 2004).
Never mind...goes...
through 11:59 p.m. EST, on November 10, 2004[This message has been edited by safeguard (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
You know UpMan when there was no solid proof of CMKX being in trouble, and speculation ran wild from the faithful, we couldn't get a word in edgewise. Now there is definate proof of negativity regarding CMKX and it's JV partners, and none of the faithful want to show their red embarrassed faces. There is no one for us to play with anymore.
The faithful that use to post here insulted people here, telling them they didn't understand this stock. Now that this stock and the management has shown itself and made things a little more understandable they are nowhere to be found. I swore they told us if they were wrong the would admit it. I don't even want them to admit they're wrong. I want them to come explain this to me, and share their superior knowledge with me. I want them to make me understand this stock, like they said I didn't, (but really did), and I want them to tell me how being halted and investigated, and barred from trading is a positive, like they said I saw negatives where their isn't any, (and there obviously are). Maybe all this barring trading, halting, and investigated is positve? OH! wait a minute, they haven't said UNCLE yet, RG is meeting with SEC to discuss the reason of the halt, NSS, forgot that.
It is just amazing the amount of proof these poor unfortunates need to see the truth. On the other hand, if I were stuck for $25,000+, I wouldn't want reality biting me in the ass, I too would deny the pain.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by Will:
quote:
There is no one for us to play with anymore.I know what you mean, a guy can only play with himself for so long before it's no fun anymore. Maybe Workaholic will surface again. He's always good for a laugh.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, it's just plain faith. How could you dare argue with that? Remember, RG walks on water!!! Remember, UC is someone you can trust completely!!! Remember, Melvin is a good person!!!
Posted by will on :
Oh, they're lurking, but just too ashamed of themselves to make an appearance. They were all loud mouthed a few months ago, being superior and dismissive of anyone who showed an iota of doubt. Now that things have broke the wrong way for them, they have dismissed themselves. They're somewhere else thumpimg their bibles, and praying for God to enlighten their heroes. These guys have been enlightened, and their "master plan" was to get foolish people to believe Sterling's, Doctor D's, and Zen's double talk, and get stuck for big $. That guy is right $350 isn't a good night on the town, but $25,000 is. Glad I'm a cheap date in this case.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Will:
I know what you mean, a guy can only play with himself for so long before it's no fun anymore. Maybe Workaholic will surface again. He's always good for a laugh.
Posted by will on :
Hey, Wallace. I had UC, and Melvin, aka Marvin, pegged long ago. UC never demanded clear, accurate, forthright PR's, and Marvin, his whore, would tell a lie when the truth sounds better. As far as Roger Glenn is concerned, you're 100% correct, all those .0002 sells of 279,000,000,000 shares can pay for a lot of "alledged" top flight attorneys. He's just there for the $$$$ !!
These asses think UC is forthright and honest. These asses even started a fund for Melvin's sick wife, (doubt if the guy is married). These asses assign god status to an attorney they never heard of. He scribbled with crayon on the Ox blood act, or some such nonsense. Yet they had balls enough to dismiss and insult the cautious and skeptical.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will, it's just plain faith. How could you dare argue with that? Remember, RG walks on water!!! Remember, UC is someone you can trust completely!!! Remember, Melvin is a good person!!!
Posted by bill1352 on :
i can't seriously believe ppl on other boards still think cmkx is naked shorted. by now UC has worked out a deal, the mm's paid him off & cmkx goes under covering, the casavant manuver. the one thing those faithful never did understand is that the whole idea of naked shorting is to drive the company into bankruptcy, period. covering is not an option. the company doesn't get money from share sales so it increases the o/s, ya think 779 billion shares is considered increasing the o/s???, at least in a few stock market circles??? i did think the faithful would one day drive the pps up enough to make a good profit but ucad getting halted ended that add to it cmkx's trouble in canada and i'd say its time to stick the fork in its cooked.
Posted by will on :
bill, I always loved your sober posts. The faithful are drunk with hope in a hopeless situation.
Where are they to make me understand like you have?
Where is noah, he can come back according to Bob Frey. Where is that grasshopper guy, who dismissed all I had to say? Where is debi, who dismissed everyone for being negative, and then claimed the thread as hijacked, and went where like minded people would pet her feathers not ruffle them?
Come back, y'all, explain this to me, make me understand how the situation as it is, is a good situation.
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
i can't seriously believe ppl on other boards still think cmkx is naked shorted. by now UC has worked out a deal, the mm's paid him off & cmkx goes under covering, the casavant manuver. the one thing those faithful never did understand is that the whole idea of naked shorting is to drive the company into bankruptcy, period. covering is not an option. the company doesn't get money from share sales so it increases the o/s, ya think 779 billion shares is considered increasing the o/s???, at least in a few stock market circles??? i did think the faithful would one day drive the pps up enough to make a good profit but ucad getting halted ended that add to it cmkx's trouble in canada and i'd say its time to stick the fork in its cooked.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
quote:
Originally posted by bckibler:
If you think this is a scam then it would have to be a scheme of monumental proportions and you don't usually involve prestigious attorneys if you're out to scam folks. I imagine you would actually try to avoid contact with the legal element.but you always need an atourney when you area about to go to jail. I am convinced that Rogers only job is to advise Urban how to minimize the time he will spend in jail for stock fraud.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
i just had a little chat with God. he said to say Hi to everyone here, and he wanted me to let you all know not to worry.he is meeting up with Roger Glen and they are carpooling over to the SEC office and they are going to straighten up this mess.
God also said that there are certain Christian Traders that are not acting Christian and that he knows who you are and what you are doing. so he is working on a plan with the Almighty MM's and they are going to loose track of your shares while all the other Christians will be basking in the wealth.
funny thing though when i was talking to God, was wearing a shirt and the name Melvin was on it. He sounded allot like Melvin as well.
Could it be that it wasn't really god.
Na he said he was god and told me that he wished he could show me what was on his desk. I mean it was god and he wouldn't lie.
i see it as the best thing that could have happened to have all these investigations, Gag orders and trading halts and extensions.
GOD said it will be ok and to buy more shares.
NOT
[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited November 09, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
They told me I would be eating crow? They promised me they would be around to eat crow if they were wrong!!
Where the hell are those cowards now?Hiding over on some ct board?
Keeping their big mouths shut because they know others were correct in their observations and assessments?
Distorting more in their minds?Trying to discover ways to save face?
Praying that God will step in and save the day?
Cannot face the music but can provide all the off key notes? Flat ones at that!!
Finally discovered that what they referred to as "bashing" and "negative" was really FACT they refused to acknowledge!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, I also wondered about the truth concerning Melvin's sick wife. Did not get sucked in on that one. That really pissed me off because it was suggested and presented in the guise of godliness.I figured if he was such a great guy, that UC would help he and his wife out...if she truly was/is ill.
Guess he also got some money by selling unregistered shares as well. Bet he wasn't hurting as much as some of the CMKX $8,000 and up shareholders.
Posted by will on :
Wallace, you just don't understand this stock, you find negatives where there aren't any. You were dismissed as a fool. Don't expect an apology.
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
They told me I would be eating crow? They promised me they would be around to eat crow if they were wrong!!
Where the hell are those cowards now?Hiding over on some ct board?
Keeping their big mouths shut because they know others were correct in their observations and assessments?
Distorting more in their minds?Trying to discover ways to save face?
Praying that God will step in and save the day?
Cannot face the music but can provide all the off key notes? Flat ones at that!!
Finally discovered that what they referred to as "bashing" and "negative" was really FACT they refused to acknowledge!!!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, you wrote:"Wallace, you just don't understand this stock, you find negatives where there aren't any. You were dismissed as a fool. Don't expect an apology."
*********************************Don't you think that is the least they could or would do if they had any integrity? Or any true beliefs about right and wrong? Or any belief in the teachings contained in the bible or in their so-called christianity?
HYPOCRITES!!!! FOR MANY, MANY REASONS.
Posted by Upside on :
I don't know though, what are we going to do if we're wrong?
Posted by will on :
Cash in, and apologize for being overly negative, and admit I am wrong.
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
I don't know though, what are we going to do if we're wrong?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
I don't know though, what are we going to do if we're wrong?
************************************At least I would be big enough to admit I was wrong and apologize for any hard feelings...subject to excepting certain posters and those I would be willing to name.
Looking at the reality of the current situations/problems and their past record, being wrong is very unlikely.
Posted by Upside on :
We'd have to throw a "beat the hell out of the bashers party" with our newfound riches. Who wouldn't make the invite list Wallace?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Cash in, and apologize for being overly negative, and admit I am wrong.
Will, what the hell are you doing? Reading my mind and then typing faster than I can to say almost the same thing? LOL
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
We'd have to throw a "beat the hell out of the bashers party" with our newfound riches. Who wouldn't make the invite list Wallace?
Well if it's a "beat the hell out of the bashers party", I know I will be invited since I was called that (as well as other things) about 30 times every day I posted and another 20 times when I did not post. QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! LOL j/k
Posted by will on :
Not to worry. This thing is in a dive. Roger couldn't save it with a note from Jesus. He isn't even trying to save CMKX, just the clowns butts.
Guess we have to wait for the the BK announcement before the faithful admit defeat. When their $25,000 is worth $250 they still might not throw in the towel.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, if they have been buying every time they say they are, bet it's closer to $30K+.
Don't you think Jesus would have told them to stop buying sooner if he believed in them?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Got to go now. Good luck all!
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
Why wasn't the short position exposed when the UCAD dividend was paid to out accounts with restricted shares? Explain that in clear detail to me. Break it down like I'm a six year old, so everyone can follow your logic and undertstand your explanation.
Well to do that I would need to bust out my double cover squeeze of the century spec-o-lation skilletz.. can you dig it suckas!!!!
Posted by ohsnap on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will, I also wondered about the truth concerning Melvin's sick wife. Did not get sucked in on that one. That really pissed me off because it was suggested and presented in the guise of godliness.I figured if he was such a great guy, that UC would help he and his wife out...if she truly was/is ill.
Guess he also got some money by selling unregistered shares as well. Bet he wasn't hurting as much as some of the CMKX $8,000 and up shareholders.
No FLURKIN SHYTE I raised that point way back in july and I got banned for being insensitive.. my logic was...
IF we are all going to be millionares then what the fyck does melvin's wife need a fund?? SImple the only people going to be millionares is melvin and Urban and his crooked family by ripping naive spec-o-lators off.
Posted by ohsnap on :
http://www.sfsc.gov.sk.ca/ssc/enforcementorders.shtml
It basically says that;1.) the "respondents" haven't requested a hearing per the terms of the temporary order
2.) the guys with power haven't gotten the info they needed
3.) the guys with power will continue to protect the public interest.
Therefore, the temporary order (which had an end date) will now become open-ended until our boys respond appropriately.
LOL the JIG is up where the hell is pharmdman and noah dam pricks
uesday November 9, 9:44 PM EST
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Canadian securities regulators in the province of Saskatchewan have extended a temporary order enjoining insiders of CMKM Diamonds Inc. (CMKX) from selling the company stock to residents.The Saskatchewan Financial Services Commission said Tuesday that it extended its original temporary Order barring insiders of CMKM from selling unregistered stock "until the Commission is provided with satisfactory information."
According to the commission's original order, which was scheduled to expire Nov. 9, Urban Casavant, David Desormeau and Melvin O'Neil traded shares of CMKM Diamonds and its predecessor Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, "when they were not registered pursuant to section 27 of the Act."
That order also stated that Casavant, Desormeau and O'Neil have, "with the intention of effecting trades in the securities of (Casavant Mining and CMKM) made statements which they know or ought reasonably to know are misrepresentations."Casavant is CMKM president and a very large shareholder, O'Neil is the company's spokesman and Desormeau is, or was at one time, CMKM's chief financial officer.
CMKM Diamonds has been the subject of four "In The Money" Dow Jones Newswires columns that highlighted its huge daily trading volume and the lack of information surrounding the company and its mineral claims. According to the corporation department of the state of Nevada, there are currently 800 billion shares of CMKM authorized.
Billions of CMKM shares trade daily but because it trades on the unregulated Pink Sheets, the company doesn't have to provide any financial information to its shareholders. Although CMKM has declined to say just how many shares are outstanding, a recent dividend payment related to U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. ( USCA)'s acquisition of 5% of CMKM Diamonds' mineral claims indicated that some 780 billion shares had been issued.
-By Carol S. Remond; Dow Jones Newswires; 201 938 2074; carol.remond@ dowjones.com
that woman "rushing" the podium at the shareholder party should be Time magazines
Person of the Year!!!!
Posted by tradingpennys on :
The article above was insightful. Perhaps there will be the "class action of a lifetime"Rules & Regulations - Market Misconduct
http://www.eirc.hk/eirc/html/EN/features/rules/features_83_63_150.htm
Market ManipulationWhat is market manipulation?
Simply speaking, market manipulation is the conducting of market activities to interfere with the actual supply and demand of securities or derivatives so as to create a false or misleading appearance of the price or turnover of the securities or derivatives.
This can be done by creating a false or misleading market by driving up, suppressing or stabilising the price of the securities in question. They may also mislead investors by creating the appearance of active trading of the securities through transactions in which a person buys or sells securities without a change of beneficial ownership in the transaction, ie. wash sales.
How can market be manipulated?
Market manipulation tactics include:
1. The release of false or misleading information.
2. The taking up of wash sales from one another within a certain trading period to increase the turnover of the stock or distort the actual share price.
3. The placing of purchase orders at slightly higher prices or sale orders at lower prices to drive up or suppress the price of the securities when the market just opened, ie. "marking the open".
4. The inputting of either buy or sales orders at escalating higher prices at the end of the day (usually at the last 5 minutes) and concluding with a buy order to peg the closing price at a higher price. This is known as "marking the close". Sales orders will then be input on the next day at the price established by the previous "marking the close" activity. More recently, rampers have been "marking the close" via internet trading.5. The drying up of stocks supply to exert undue upward price pressure on the stocks. This is known as "cornering shares".
What are the penalties for market manipulators?
Market manipulators will be subject to severe punishment. Starting from 1 April 2003, the parallel civil and criminal regimes under the Securities and Futures Ordinance enable the SFC more effectively to combat market misconduct like market manipulation. A Market Misconduct Tribunal (MMT) has been set up to handle civil cases of all forms of market misconduct including market manipulation, insider dealing and the dissemination of false and misleading information about securities or futures contracts. The MMT will decide cases on the civil standard of proof and can impose a range of civil sanctions such as ordering the disgorgement of profits, "cease and desist" and "cold shoulder" orders, and disqualifying a person from directorship or management of a company.
On the other hand, offenders will be prosecuted where there is sufficient evidence for a criminal prosecution. If convicted, the market manipulator may be subject to imprisonment for a period of up to 10 years and a fine of up to HK$10 million.
Any SFC licensee found to have taken part in market manipulation may have their licence suspended or revoked.
How can investors avoid from suffering losses due to market manipulation activities?
Do not follow the herd, or trade on rumour
Market manipulators usually stock up on the target securities and use various tactics to drive up their prices before offloading them to take profits. If investors only make their investment by following others blindly, they may have unintentionally added to the effects of a manipulation started by a ramper.Do your homework before investing in a stock
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Posted by bckibler on :
I can see why no one else is posting. Will and Upside are having too much fun with each other. Private playtime for them I guess. Go for it boys.
Posted by legaleagle on :
Long time "lurker", first time poster.I have been away on a case in Europe for a month. I returned here, to check up on what was happening with my investment in CMKX, only to discover "This????".
What has happened here? There used to be active discussion, pro and con, of the stock.
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Posted by WWJD-thru-me on :
Hi Boys, and anyone else who still comes here. I don't read this board at all anymore so if some of the posts of recent days had not been posted elsewhere I would not have seen them.The bashing posts that were brought to my attention on another board sound an awful lot like Goliath taunting the army of Israel. Many were shaking in their boots (dismayed and terrified). But a young man named David was not the least bit intimidated. Although small, he knew Goliath was not just mocking the Israelites but His God. He volunteered to take on the mighty giant in the name of the God of Israel. He didn't even wear the king's armor to protect him since he was not used to wearing it.
Goliath came out to meet him, a giant of a man dressed in full battle armor. The little shepherd had a sling shot and 5 smooth stones. Goliath continued to taunt him saying the birds of the air would eat his flesh (Crows?). But David unafraid, made it clear as that God would be fighting his battle for him.
This is what David said 'This day the Lord will hand you over to me, and I'll strike you down and cut off your head. Today I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel. All those gathered here will know that the Lord saves; for the battle is the Lord's, and he will give all of you into our hands.'
As Goliath moved closer to attack him, David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet him. Reaching into his bag and taking out a stone, he slung it and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone sank into his forehead and he fell facedown on the ground.
David ran and stood over him. He took hold of the Philistine's sword and killed him and then cut off his head with the sword.
And when the Philistines saw that their hero was dead, they turned and ran. The Philistine army was chased and beaten, killed and their camp pillaged.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a vengeful God. God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he reap.
I am planning on reaping a crop of blessing. I have done no one on the allstocks board wrong. I could care less if someone mocks me. But to mock God is a foolish endeavor. He is merciful and loving, but he will not tolerate your belligerence forever, any more than any human Father would.
Since the religious theme was brought up and mocked freely, I will leave you with this Bible verse:
The wealth which the wicked have gained from exploiting the poor will be taken from them and given to those who will pity them.
I believe that to be true. I have continued to accumulate CMKX and have a full boatload now. I was and still am convinced that CMKX is naked shorted to high heavens and that there are powerful people with a vested interest in the failure of CMKX. Claiming victory early (like Goliath) may be your only chance to gloat (like Goliath). The crow was at dinner that day but was the eater instead of the eaten. Goliath was also at dinner that day but didn't get to enjoy it.
God Bless-Debi
The CMKX part is IMO- The Bible part is what it is.
29,000 children die every day of starvation and hunger related diseases....but not on a day of hope....visit http://cmkxdayofhope.********s37.com
Posted by will on :
The situation is con, alright. These jamokes conned everyone with their lack of forthrightness, and the help of some double talking investors. The reason you don't see pro is because they have nothing positive left to say, that makes any sense. Just more, "give it time", "hope for the best" "we have Roger Glenn", "blah blah blah"
quote:
Originally posted by legaleagle:
Long time "lurker", first time poster.I have been away on a case in Europe for a month. I returned here, to check up on what was happening with my investment in CMKX, only to discover "This????".
What has happened here? There used to be active discussion, pro and con, of the stock.
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Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
The situation is con, alright. These jamokes conned everyone with their lack of forthrightness, and the help of some double talking investors. The reason you don't see pro is because they have nothing positive left to say, that makes any sense. Just more, "give it time", "hope for the best" "we have Roger Glenn", "blah blah blah"
I was speaking of the "holy war" being waged here. I thought this was an investment thread.
Posted by bill1352 on :
just a quick thought...canada stopped trading because a few cmkx insiders were selling unregistered shares correct? remember back 2 days before the ucad dividend payment? the a/s was increased 300 billion and then 2 days later the split number went up from 483 billion to 779 billion. selling of unregistered shares is naked shorting & covering this naked short could be done by increasing the o/s. ya think maybe a good lawyer would know this?
Posted by ed19363 on :
Maybe you guyz can come up with one answer to a question that has been bugging me:
If all this crap has come down the pipe about CMKX, why is the volume still so high?
Who is buying or selling at these volumes?
Why would anyone buy or sell at .0001/.0002?
Posted by dwman on :
WOW!!!! A run to .01 while you guys were bashing Christians. Oooops. Sorry, fat fingers. That was .0001. LOL
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
just a quick thought...canada stopped trading because a few cmkx insiders were selling unregistered shares correct? remember back 2 days before the ucad dividend payment? the a/s was increased 300 billion and then 2 days later the split number went up from 483 billion to 779 billion. selling of unregistered shares is naked shorting & covering this naked short could be done by increasing the o/s. ya think maybe a good lawyer would know this?
The complaint enumerates an allegation of violation of Sec 27 & 58 of the Securities Act of 1988. Sec 27 delineates the necessity of registering as dealer or agent. Sec 58 requires a prospectus to be filed.Sec. 44 (3.1) Deals with making statements that the person should reasonably know is false. It also deals with intent, which is very hard to prove.
This case has nothing to do with dealing in unregistered securities.
No one has been found wanting in either of these categories yet, as there has been no hearing conducted.
A response was filed timely, and the Commission has requested additional information. This is the only reason for the continuance of the "halt". I use that term in quotations because the order is only local to the Province, and anyone there wishing to trade can still do so through the U.S. brokerages.
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Posted by stalkandsnipe on :
Go cmkx
Posted by stalkandsnipe on :
I bought more shares yesterday! I am at 5 Million + or minus a fewRegardless of what one or two people who aren't share holders say, at .0002 this is a bargain!
GO CMKX! Go home bashers!
Posted by MamboTrader on :
I am a long time stock trader and I also own diamond properties in Alaska. My name is on several claim stakes. I know nothing about this stock but I will help if someone wants it. I know a lot about how diamond claims actually tend to go and how it would be reflected in a stock. I can seperate the BS from reality prettty easily with a phone call or two. If someone who knows this stock would email me at sbickel9@san.rr.com it could be interesting. I would love to get the basics on this one without spending time reading everything right now (not much time) and I could give my insights.
Posted by mdec on :
Hi MamboTrader
Wow i'm impressed, never thouht i would see a big time prospector on this board.
WOW. lol.Mdec
Posted by bill1352 on :
Friday, October 29, 2004
Firms slapped with cease-trade order
Barry Glass/Daily Herald
Saskatchewan’s Financial Services Commission slapped a temporary cease-trade order on two companies and some people involved in diamond exploration in the Fort a la Corne area.
The order covers CMKM Diamonds Inc., its predecessor Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Urban Armand Joseph Casavant, David DeSormeau and Melvin A. O’Neil. The men are officers, directors and promoters of the companies.Vic Pankratz, deputy director of enforcement for the commission, said the order was issued because the parties were selling securities in Saskatchewan without being registered to do so, trading securities without filing a prospectus and making misrepresentations about securities.
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i'd say selling securities without being registered to do so is selling them under the radar of the gov. bodies appointed to make sure everything is on the up & up. today is also the day ucad had to respond by. i'd also say that a company that had all its ducks in order would be able to produce any info the SEC would want to prove they are legit, or at least enough to prove they are not lying to the public. copies of claim registerations, records of the amount of gold mined in south america. the papers from south american gov. saying they have permission to mine. all things that were stated in pr's. these papers would or should not be hard to produce. as ucad has not , in a pr claimed anything other then they own a % of the rights in sask., info other then the legal agreement between them & cmkx would not be needed.
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Has anyone that deals with RBC in Canada gotten thier 3-1 split yet??
Posted by Upside on :
Bill,
Did you try putting your sell in this morning at .00015? Just wondering if Ameritrade took it or not.
Posted by bill1352 on :
no upside, i didn't. i just left it there at .0002. i figured if ucad did get its papers in to remove the halt it might drive the pps up enough to go through. but if your watching its bouncing down to .0001. i figure i've held this thing this long might as well hold a bit longer...lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
Friday, October 29, 2004
Firms slapped with cease-trade order
Barry Glass/Daily Herald
Saskatchewan’s Financial Services Commission slapped a temporary cease-trade order on two companies and some people involved in diamond exploration in the Fort a la Corne area.
The order covers CMKM Diamonds Inc., its predecessor Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Urban Armand Joseph Casavant, David DeSormeau and Melvin A. O’Neil. The men are officers, directors and promoters of the companies.Vic Pankratz, deputy director of enforcement for the commission, said the order was issued because the parties were selling securities in Saskatchewan without being registered to do so, trading securities without filing a prospectus and making misrepresentations about securities.
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i'd say selling securities without being registered to do so is selling them under the radar of the gov. bodies appointed to make sure everything is on the up & up. today is also the day ucad had to respond by. i'd also say that a company that had all its ducks in order would be able to produce any info the SEC would want to prove they are legit, or at least enough to prove they are not lying to the public. copies of claim registerations, records of the amount of gold mined in south america. the papers from south american gov. saying they have permission to mine. all things that were stated in pr's. these papers would or should not be hard to produce. as ucad has not , in a pr claimed anything other then they own a % of the rights in sask., info other then the legal agreement between them & cmkx would not be needed.
An accusation is not a conviction.
Yesterday was the date for responding in Saskatchewan, and as stated in my previous post, that was done but the Commission required additional information. That is the only reason for the delay.
The SEC hearing was scheduled for today. All necessary filings were probably made last week. We should be seeing the results of that soon, possibly trading tomorrow.
When a suspension is lifted, a stock will trade on the Pinks until an MM files a Form 2-11 in demonstration of compliance with Rule 15c2-11 of the Securities Act, 1933.
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Posted by Binky on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by legaleagle:
[B] An accusation is not a conviction.Yesterday was the date for responding in Saskatchewan, and as stated in my previous post, that was done but the Commission required additional information. That is the only reason for the delay.
How come the Sask. release says....
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not received a request from the Respondents for a hearing
if in fact they have been contacted? Someone lying here???????
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Binky:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by legaleagle:
[B] An accusation is not a conviction.Yesterday was the date for responding in Saskatchewan, and as stated in my previous post, that was done but the Commission required additional information. That is the only reason for the delay.
How come the Sask. release says....
AND WHEREAS the Commission has not received a request from the Respondents for a hearing
if in fact they have been contacted? Someone lying here???????
Feel free to call for yourself, binky: Phone: (306) 787-5645
Posted by Binky on :
I just can't make my self phone. If what you say is true,it would totally destroy my faith in the written word, and especially in Press Releases. LOLBy the time I can check back tonight I'm sure someone will have cleared it up.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Binky:
I just can't make my self phone. If what you say is true,it would totally destroy my faith in the written word, and especially in Press Releases. LOLBy the time I can check back tonight I'm sure someone will have cleared it up.
"AND WHEREAS the Commission has not received a request from the Respondents for a hearing"
If additional information is needed, then the Respondents would not request a hearing until they produce whatever information is required.
Posted by Upside on :
originally posted by legaleagle:
quote:
Yesterday was the date for responding in Saskatchewan, and as stated in my previous post, that was done but the Commission required additional information. That is the only reason for the delay.Legal,
Are you sure they responded at all? Your post reads as though they did in fact respond but didn't have all of the necessary information. Do you actually know this to be the case?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by legaleagle:
Legal,
Are you sure they responded at all? Your post reads as though they did in fact respond but didn't have all of the necessary information. Do you actually know this to be the case?
According to the people at the Commission, yes.
Posted by Upside on :
You've been in contact with them?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
You've been in contact with them?
Yes.
Posted by Upside on :
Did they give you any other information you can share with us, like if the suspension is now indefinite or did they impose a new deadline to supply the needed information?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
wwjd wrote:1)"This is what David said 'This day the Lord will hand you over to me, and I'll strike you down and cut off your head."
"David ran and stood over him. He took hold of the Philistine's sword and killed him and then cut off his head with the sword."2)"Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he reap."
"I have done no one on the allstocks board wrong."RESPONSE:
1) Now I know where those insurgents in Iraq got the idea to do likewise with innocents.
2) Couldn't prove it by me!!! What a bunch of BS. How many did she suck in to buying CMKX? How many slurs and personal bashings did she post? How many accusations did she post? How many of her posts were misleading? And she has the nerve to say, "I have done no one on the Allstocks board wrong."? Talk about la la land!!!!
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Did they give you any other information you can share with us, like if the suspension is now indefinite or did they impose a new deadline to supply the needed information?Response, and the supplying of information is the responsiblity of the Respondent. I did not ask for any information that was not public.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Yes, legal, and I would like to know if you asked them about a "gag order" too. I saw nothing in the Commission's release about that either.Based upon "circumstancial evidence", I would find them guilty. Look at their track record.
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Posted by Upside on :
So the only thing they told you, or were allowed to tell you, was that a response was filed on time and that's it?
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Yes, legal, and I would like to know if you asked them about a "gag order" too. I saw nothing in the Commission's release about that either.Based upon "circumstancial evidence", I would find them guilty. Look at their track record.
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I have viewed their track record with great interest. I still invested.
This "gag order" that everyone speaks of was not an official government gag order, it was IMO self-imposed by counsel to prevent the compounding of any perceived problems, and to allow counsel to be the sole communicant to the SEC concerning the hearings. Public statements made prior to a hearing can be misconstued by public officials and cause irreparable harm to the presentation of the defense.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
So the only thing they told you, or were allowed to tell you, was that a response was filed on time and that's it?
Please be aware, that a response is not always evidentiary. Sometimes a response is a request for a continuance,e.g., for the collection and presentation of evidence.[This message has been edited by legaleagle (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by Upside on :
The 306 area code number you posted earlier, is that to the Sask. Securities Commission?
Posted by bill1352 on :
self imposed gag order by cmkx???? not trying to be sarcastic legal but thats like TELLING a bear to poop in the woods, it comes natural for cmkx to keep their mouths shut. since i've bought into this stock the only things they say are fluff & pump statements. they increased the a/s by 300 billion 2 days before the own-by date on the first dividend and low & behold 279 billion of that increase ends up in the split yet no word from cmkx. the next dividend figures out to twice the a/s according to the amount of shares the pr stated & no word from cmkx. if their gag order got any tighter they would choke to death
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
The 306 area code number you posted earlier, is that to the Sask. Securities Commission?
Yes
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
self imposed gag order by cmkx???? not trying to be sarcastic legal but thats like TELLING a bear to poop in the woods, it comes natural for cmkx to keep their mouths shut. since i've bought into this stock the only things they say are fluff & pump statements. they increased the a/s by 300 billion 2 days before the own-by date on the first dividend and low & behold 279 billion of that increase ends up in the split yet no word from cmkx. the next dividend figures out to twice the a/s according to the amount of shares the pr stated & no word from cmkx. if their gag order got any tighter they would choke to death
As I stated earlier, I have been involved in this stock for quite some time. Roger Glenn has announced that he is attempting to get this corporation reporting. The company is a conglomerate of many interactive companies, in the role of J.V.'s to CMKM, and are stockholders in varying quantities and percentages. The job of pulling all of these people and holdings together is a monumental task. As soon as Mr. Glenn began that undertaking, the same rules would apply, as they do to the SEC hearings. "Do not make any statements of substance publicly". Counsel would not want anything, other than "fluff" to be released to the public because it would also be released to those people who might be otherwise considered enemies of the corporation. I'll let you fill in the blanks.
Posted by bill1352 on :
i bought in before glen came into the picture, nothing has changed. i do own stock & i did not buy hoping to lose money legal. about 2 months after i bought in the 400 billion number came out & the only thing ever said by anyone with cmkx was melvin screaming on pal talk the o/s was not 400 billion. i'm not questioning whats going on i'm just stating that a gag order with cmkx self imposed or otherwise ir redundent.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by bill1352:
i bought in before glen came into the picture, nothing has changed. i do own stock & i did not buy hoping to lose money legal. about 2 months after i bought in the 400 billion number came out & the only thing ever said by anyone with cmkx was melvin screaming on pal talk the o/s was not 400 billion. i'm not questioning whats going on i'm just stating that a gag order with cmkx self imposed or otherwise ir redundent.
The only official numbers that I have seen in the last six months are those reported by the Nevada SOS. Those numbers are AS, not OS. You can play with the dividend splits any way you want and come up with different numbers.Was the distribution rate 8% as some speculated? We won't know until the "play" is over. If Roger Glenn is handling this properly, no one but he and principals will know the answer until it's over and decided.
I can't say definitively that this stock has been "naked shorted", or not. But I think all of the "signs" point to it. Please don't ask me to list all of the "signs", everyone has heard them a dozen times or more. This like the rest of the questions can only be answered by the MM's, the principals, and hopefully now, the SEC.
If it has been naked shorted, then there will be multiple feints, and actions taken to misdirect the MM's, until counsel is ready to "show his hand".
Unfortunately, we shareholders will not know the direction he is going until we are there.
There are many confusing things occuring with this stock, but it is in that confusion that major profits can be made or lost.
The great thing about CMKM is that you don't have to risk much in order to capitalize if they are what they have said they are.
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Posted by Penny-Trader on :
I dont beleive God was being mocked in here so much as the attitudes of the ones stating that god wanted CMKX to Flourish.while you are on the bible kick again it also states 1 Timothy 6:9-10 :
9 However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains.
quote:
Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
The wealth which the wicked have gained from exploiting the poor will be taken from them and given to those who will pity them.I believe that to be true. I have continued to accumulate CMKX and have a full boatload now. I was and still am convinced that CMKX is naked shorted to high heavens and that there are powerful people with a vested interest in the failure of CMKX. Claiming victory early (like Goliath) may be your only chance to gloat (like Goliath). The crow was at dinner that day but was the eater instead of the eaten. Goliath was also at dinner that day but didn't get to enjoy it.
God Bless-Debi
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Posted by Upside on :
Regardless of ones religious beliefs or lack thereof, this thread was a better place when they were all here. I'm talking about Debi, Van, Noah and any others that fled. We might not have agreed with their positions but at least there was an even exchange of ideas. Now it's pretty much just a handfull of us left shouting at one another. I can remember back when the comment was made almost daily about this thread being so good because both positive and negative views were accepted, discussed, even criticized but at the end of the day, everyone was still friendly and tolerant of one another for the most part. Somewhere along the line it went awfully wrong and now we're left with just us old CMKX curmudgeons.
Posted by mdec on :
UpSideYou write, "it went awfully wrong and now we're left with just us old CMKX curmudgeons."
If the PPS was .0005 those Pumpers would still be here.MdeC
mdec do you know you can edit your posts when you make a mistake? Just click the edit icon above your posts.
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Posted by Upside on :
I don't think they would. I don't know how long you've been following this thread but it really did take a nasty turn for the worse over the summer. It devolved into name calling and personal attacks and discussing the stock became secondary.
Posted by mdec on :
About a year and i read most of it
Posted by Upside on :
Got pretty ugly at times, didn't it?
Posted by Bob Frey on :
YepStill does? Havent had the complaints of late.
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Posted by Upside on :
Still does Bob but now it's amongst ourselves so no one really cares one way or the other.
Posted by bill1352 on :
like thinking tends to gravitate to itself. there are so many bad signs with cmkx that those that have serious dreams for their future tied up in this stock will not tolerate anything challenging those dreams. how many other stocks out there are written up in differant places because of the "cult like" following. we have ended up with a handful of the old crew left in this thread but we are the ones that brought some form of reason to cmkx, if thats possible. new investors are rare. i think anyone looking at cmkx even for a quick play like most penny stocks would run very quickly from cmkx after only a quick glance at the little info there is about it.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Well winter is setting in.I sure would hope that they have a plan.And drills can be set-up soon on an anomaly or two of the hundreds CMKX has claims for.We're going to need rumours for next years races.Bill,aren't you the one that said you weren't selling till CMKX hit a dollar a while back?And then now it's tomarrow,maybe.You crack me up.
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Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Up, you wrote:I'm talking about Debi, Van, Noah and any others that fled. We might not have agreed with their positions but at least there was an even exchange of ideas.
*************************************Up, we may agree as to what CMKX is but there certainly was no "even" exchange of ideas when it came to any opinions differing from theirs...meaning Debi, Van and Noah.
No one drove them away. They chose to go elsewhere so they did not have to think about objective observations and opinions with which they vehemently disagreed. They took the cowards' way out and covered their ears and closed their minds!
Come on, Up, they are still over on ct spouting religion and spinning yarns about NSS, RG, UC, etc and believing everything Dr. D, Green Baron, Sterling tell them. It has become their cult board. You have checked them out over there and you know it is the same old speculation and nonsense.
If they were here, they would be subject to the same scrutiny as before...that is what they cannot handle...and never could.
Posted by will on :
I have a couple thoughts regarding the faithful, and their departure. Oh, they had a degree of deniability regarding personal attacks. They would be sarcastic, and dismissive with dissenters, but used byrd for the direct personal attacking, especially of Wallace. They would be civil but dismiss any opposing view with remarks like:
"you don't understand this stock"
"you find negatives where there aren't any"
"you kvetch too much"
Very condescending!
Typical for these type people. When I first went into business, I partnered with a "born again Christian". He had the ten commandments displayed in the entrance of his building, and I'm sure it gave everyone who saw them a feeling of fair play and security. As our business relationship progressed I notice that he and his son were very careful not to lie, but never were fully forthcoming either, they told half thruths, or avoided the truth. They owed everyone with pockets, and are still moving their offices to avoid being on the up and up. If you met them, you'd like them, full of personality, and gifted salesmen, but they would three card monty your pants off. Great guys but always manage that degree of diniability. That's somewhat how I see the people that departed here. Nice people on the surface, but avoid truth, tell no lies, only 1/2 truths. Maybe that isn't totally accurate, but it is a good comparison. They didn't curse, cuss, and bash dissenters, they encouraged someone else to do it, and surely gave him support and amunition to do it, while they stepped back from the action, and remained civilly hateful. Then they conveniently left for greener pastures. I read noahs posts on the other board, and he wished he didn't get kicked from here, so he could have responded to remarks made here last night. Well, we and noah know all he has to do is asked to come back, and Bob would arrange it easily. See, he didn't lie, he did get booted, but forgot to tell everyone he could come back if he asked like a man. This is the kind of things I have learned to expect from people professing to superior, better, chosen, annointed, saved, etc... Be very careful not to lie, but skirt the truth, and only tell 1/2 truths.
It's ok with me. People can do and believe whatever they like, I don't make fun of them for believing what they believe. They need to believe it to live a decent life. For myself I don't care. I see religion and God as something personal for each person to come to peace with themselves. I have had a couple near death experiences, and what I came to believe is personal. I don't care what others think, do or say regarding mine or their faith. Do I think it's a bit over the top to read about David smoting the Philistines with a jawbone of an ass, and referencing CMKX at the same time. Yea I do, but so what. I don't care about David or the dead Philistines they have nothing to do with my Freetrade account, or CMKX. What I do care about is these people acting like they were abused and martyred here while all the while they were being condescending, decietful, and using others to do their dirty work managing that degree of separation and diniability. Good people are good, they can behave poorly, badly, but if they're good people you will come to know it. Bad people are bad, they can behave grandly, well, but if they're bad people you will come to know that too.[This message has been edited by will (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, I applaud your insight. CONGRATS.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Back to CMKX....Nice to see some new (????) CMKX protagonists such as legaleagle, stalkandsnipe and MombaTrader. Problem is,
they are saying much the same as others have said...maybe they are the others.legaleagle,
You never did address the fact that the Commission said the CMKX people did not respond. That was released in black and white.
Further, I don't disagree with your "gag order" explanation. It just does not fit with any of the personalities involved. As a matter of fact, I would have expected (if it was self imposed) that it might have been at RG's suggestion. There is nothing to preclude house counsel or outside counsel from making some kind of ambiguous (as usual) statement showing confidence in their
supposed "innocence", his assurances that they have done no wrong, that the truth will prevail and that the charges are without merit.Even a second rate attorney would do that.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Back to CMKX....Nice to see some new (????) CMKX protagonists such as legaleagle, stalkandsnipe and MombaTrader. Problem is,
they are saying much the same as others have said...maybe they are the others.legaleagle,
You never did address the fact that the Commission said the CMKX people did not respond. That was released in black and white.
Further, I don't disagree with your "gag order" explanation. It just does not fit with any of the personalities involved. As a matter of fact, I would have expected (if it was self imposed) that it might have been at RG's suggestion. There is nothing to preclude house counsel or outside counsel from making some kind of ambiguous (as usual) statement showing confidence in their
supposed "innocence", his assurances that they have done no wrong, that the truth will prevail and that the charges are without merit.Even a second rate attorney would do that.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 10, 2004).]
Yes, it was addressed.Legal counsel deals with legalities, not personalities.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Maybe I missed it. Exactly where did you discuss it other than say "Respond"? The Commission's release definitely said there was "no response".[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by legaleagle on :
"Nice to see some new (????) CMKX protagonists such as legaleagle, stalkandsnipe and MombaTrader. Problem is,
they are saying much the same as others have said...maybe they are the others."
Do you welcome all new posters here with insinuations? Speak clearly, and make accusations if you want a following. A protagonist is the lead actor in a play or cause. You seem to fit that bill better than anyone here. What exactly are you trying to say?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Ahhhh! Now you do sound familiar. Dealing with personalities, huh?As I said before, you did not appear to deal with the fact that the Commission's release specifically stated there was no response.
In addition you did not deal with the fact that RG made no statement whatsoever in defense of the CMKX people when such a statement is normal protocol.
PS: You wrote: "Legal counsel deals with legalities, not personalities."
Any legal counsel that does not deal with personalities as well as the legalities is worth table salt.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by ed19363 on :
You guys need some relaxation. Legal, nice to hear from you, you seem to know what you are talking about. Personally, I still hold 27M of CMKX, and have a faint hope still glowing. Maybe we should all try to tone it down until actual news comes out. We are not doing any good speculating about things that are being kept from us.
Ed
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Ahhhh! Now you do sound familiar. Dealing with personalities, huh?As I said before, you did not appear to deal with the fact that the Commission's release specifically stated there was no response.
In addition you did not deal with the fact that RG made no statement whatsoever in defense of the CMKX people when such a statement is normal protocol.
I came here to discuss the stock, not personalities. You began that. And I won't be drug onto your playground.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
too late you are center field
quote:
Originally posted by legaleagle:
I came here to discuss the stock, not personalities. You began that. And I won't be drug onto your playground.
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
too late you are center field
People try that with me frequently PennyTrader. Won't happen. Guaranteed.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Obviously you prefer to call questions about your CMKX comments a playground and do not want to answer them or cannot answer them.One other thing which I am interested in since you appear to be taking a somewhat legal approach to the Commission's releases about the CMKX people.
Are you an attorney? What is your level of legal experience? What are your legal credentials?
Those are not "personality" or "playground" questions. Certainly, we are entitled to know the answers if you wish to be considered some kind of authority on legal matters.
Posted by mdec on :
LegalBeaglelol
Posted by will on :
OK, enough persoanlities.
I want a long strong faithful CMKX'er to explain clearly and in detail how they deduce CMKX is NSS. I also want them to explain UC, Melvin and DeSormeau being barred from trading, and UCAD halted/investigated is a good thing.
I fully understand an investigation is not guilt, but I also understand it isn't a good thing.
The faithful are still clinging to this being shorted, but I have begged for an explanation and only got, "popular belief" and "RG is gonna discuss that very topic with SEC" No proof, just more spinning. Come on, if you believe these things tell me why you believe them?[This message has been edited by will (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
OK, enough personalities.
I want a long strong faithful CMKX'er to explain clearly and in detail how they deduce CMKX is NSS. I also want them to explain UC, Melvin and DeSormeau being barred from trading, and UCAD halted/investigated is a good thing.
I fully understand an investigation is not guilt, but I also understand it isn't a good thing.
The faithful are still clinging to this being shorted, but I have begged for an explanation and only got, "popular belief" and "RG is gonna discuss that very topic with SEC" No proof, just more spinning. Come on, if you believe these things tell me why you believe them?[This message has been edited by will (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by legaleagle on :
I went back through my posts and don't seem to find one where I was requesting to be considered any kind of authority. I don't practice law on the internet. And by the way, other than that comment, I made it very clear that I'm not playing.
Posted by will on :
No, I'm not drunk or drinking, just can't spell.
Posted by Esteban on :
quote:
Originally posted by will:
No, I'm not drunk or drinking, just can't spell.Will, you better have a drink or three...you are starting to repeat yourself<G>
Steve
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
do i get my money back in that guarantee?
quote:
Originally posted by legaleagle:
People try that with me frequently PennyTrader. Won't happen. Guaranteed.
Posted by will on :
Isn't a legitimate question to ask if you have legal experience, and at what level? It appears to me you are taking a legal approach to this situation. It looks as if you are trying to give the impression to everyone that you are familar with and are experienced in law. You clearly gave me that impression. If you're a regular guy without any legal background and/or experience, and are looking at it from a legal aspect what is the harm of answering the question forthright and honestly? I thought I saw you write a month or so ago that you weren't familar with security law, but had checked with others in the legal community that were. I don't understand your mysterious position regarding what you are.
quote:
Originally posted by legaleagle:
I went back through my posts and don't seem to find one where I was requesting to be considered any kind of authority. I don't practice law on the internet. And by the way, other than that comment, I made it very clear that I'm not playing.
Posted by Bigrod40 on :
Something is up???? Look at the bid and ask
.0002 X .0005
http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/utilit/utilit_snapsh_result.aspx?action=go&symbol=CMKX®ion=U&snapshot=SX
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
get yourself a browser based spell checker like this one http://www.iespell.com/
it puts an option under the tools drop down to spell check before you submit. it is really handy when you remember to use it lol
quote:
Originally posted by will:
No, I'm not drunk or drinking, just can't spell.
Posted by will on :
I'll live with my shortcomings. for those that can't tolerate my shortcomings, oh well!
quote:
Originally posted by penny-trader:
get yourself a browser based spell checker like this one http://www.iespell.com/
it puts an option under the tools drop down to spell check before you submit. it is really handy when you remember to use it lol
Posted by legaleagle on :
"I fully understand an investigation is not guilt, but I also understand it isn't a good thing."It can be a very good thing to go through an analytical review by the SEC, and come out the other side without an enforcement action. It amounts to getting the blessing of the SEC,if you are investigated and cleared.
While it may cause a short term deflation of the price per share, the long term effect will be a new confindence by shareholders. I would dare to say that being cleared by the SEC is what this stock needs.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
im ok with it you where commenting on your spelling. untill you pointed it out i did not notice.just thought i would offer you that tool.
sorry if i misunderstood your post
quote:
Originally posted by will:
I'll live with my shortcomings. for those that can't tolerate my shortcomings, oh well!
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
I repeat again, legaleagle. Please answer my questions...including those about legal credentials.You may even be a retired former cop, but at least we should know your credentials when you come across as some kind of legal authority.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
yes i agree
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
I repeat again, legaleagle. Please answer my questions...including those about legal credentials.You may even be a retired former cop, but at least we should know your credentials when you come across as some kind of legal authority.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legaleagle,As I am sure you are aware, the SEC is involved with UCAD/USCA and the Commission is involved with the CMKX people.
Your responses, however, appear to suggest that it is CMKX that is being questioned by the SEC.
Posted by legaleagle on :
excerpted from a Net-Lawyers' List DiscussionFri, 27 Sep 1996 06:51
Best Waiver Signature!For what its worth, I find the whole idea rather troubling. Many
lawyers dish out legal advice over discussion groups, Compuserve forums
and so forth. I have always found that to raise some troubling issues,
including (a) what if the there is an unknown conflict (b) is the lawyer
rendering advice in jurisdiction where the attorney is not licensed and
not qualified to give an opinion (c) does the attorney have all the
facts. Equally troubling is that the advice is usually dished out in a
public forum, which is highly inappropriate. What if the adverse party
is a member of the list or forum, and is lurking?Quite frankly, whether the lawyer says s/he is giving legal advice or
says its not legal advice does not change its character, any more than
calling a penalty clause a liquidated damage clause changes its
character. Indeed, the waiver itself suggests that the lawyer is afraid
without it, it would be legal advice.If a lawyer is unsure whether or not a public post could be construed as
giving legal advice, the lawyer ought to refrain from posting it.
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
wwjd wrote:1)"This is what David said 'This day the Lord will hand you over to me, and I'll strike you down and cut off your head."
"David ran and stood over him. He took hold of the Philistine's sword and killed him and then cut off his head with the sword."2)"Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he reap."
"I have done no one on the allstocks board wrong."RESPONSE:
1) Now I know where those insurgents in Iraq got the idea to do likewise with innocents.
2) Couldn't prove it by me!!! What a bunch of BS. How many did she suck in to buying CMKX? How many slurs and personal bashings did she post? How many accusations did she post? How many of her posts were misleading? And she has the nerve to say, "I have done no one on the Allstocks board wrong."? Talk about la la land!!!!
wallace in response to your statememt item# 1..... if you believe the BEHEADING of any innocent individual is something to compare to this carnival of trading pinksheets, then you now have stooped to levels below your good buddy JBCAKS. remarks about innocent slayings absolutely have no place on this board. you owe every family that has suffered these in human acts an apology........ you pompas bastad... RIVERCITY
Posted by legaleagle on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
legaleagle,As I am sure you are aware, the SEC is involved with UCAD/USCA and the Commission is involved with the CMKX people.
Your responses, however, appear to suggest that it is CMKX that is being questioned by the SEC.
The SEC investigation involves valuation. CMKM is a very large part of UCAD/USCA valuation.[This message has been edited by legaleagle (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
legaleagle posted (edited):excerpted from a Net-Lawyers' List Discussion
Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:51If a lawyer is unsure whether or not a public post could be construed as
giving legal advice, the lawyer ought to refrain from posting it.
**************************************Again, this did not answer the question of your credentials. It does not answer the previous questions either.
If you are not an attorney your post is meaningless as it may apply to you. If you are an attorney, then as it says, "the lawyer ought to refrain from posting it". Since you did not refrain from posting, may I conclude that you are not an attorney?
Posted by legaleagle on :
Conclude as you will. I can see from the posts that this thread is deteriorating again. Still jet-lagged. Good night to all. Taking some time off work for awhile, and may come back to post. It depends on the level of discussion.
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
rivercity,Better check your facts. I was not the one who brought up the beheading subject. Basically, I was saying it was not appropriate for this thread to even bring that up. It did not make a whole lot of sense. Lighten up!!!
Posted by mdec on :
Hold it RiverRatIts not Wallace who started all this religious Bull chit.
Its those rats that have departed from this board and crawled back into thier hole at CT.
MdeC
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:MY DIK excuse me i must have tweeked a loose nerve there. are you wallace's defender?
Originally posted by mdec:
Hold it RiverRatIts not Wallace who started all this religious Bull chit.
Its those rats that have departed from this board and crawled back into thier hole at CT.
MdeC
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Have a nice evening, legaleagle. When you do come back, please answer those questions and provide us with some idea of your credibility to be making statements as fact. Then, maybe they can be accepted as such.[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by mdec on :
To RiverRatAs for Wallace, so far, what he has conclude and said about CKMX turned out to be prophetic.
MdeC
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
mdec,Pay no attention to rivercity. I have seen rivercity's posts before.
Posted by safeguard on :
No change in status yet...
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions.shtml
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:wallace, to take an event that occured during biblical times and compare it to the beheadings of innocent individuals in this day and age is stupid. yes there were barbaians in those times.are you suggestings that these innocent people were barbarians for trying to help these people obtain freedom. if i remember right goliath has always been the bad guy,are you saying david was wrong for slaying this giant.... come on wallace you want me to lighten up. you stepped over the edge trying to be cute with a remark and you screwed up.... innocent people beheaded and you make some snide remark about...... rivercity
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
rivercity,Better check your facts. I was not the one who brought up the beheading subject. Basically, I was saying it was not appropriate for this thread to even bring that up. It did not make a whole lot of sense. Lighten up!!!
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:my dik i never disputed what wallace stated about cmkx. only that remarks about beheadings of innocent people have no business on this thread. i suppose i should believe that you too condone the beheading of innocent people. if so then you to owe an apology to the families of those innocent people. i expect you should weigh what you are really defending here. wallace and the beheasding of innocent individuals.... your call MR.riverrat to you,my dik
Originally posted by mdec:
To RiverRatAs for Wallace, so far, what he has conclude and said about CKMX turned out to be prophetic.
MdeC
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
rivercity wrote:"are you suggestings that these innocent people were barbarians for trying to help these people obtain freedom. if i remember right goliath has always been the bad guy,are you saying david was wrong for slaying this giant.... come on wallace you want me to lighten up"
rivercity,
I was implying the barbarism was bringing up the subject of beheading innocents on a stock thread. It was inappropriate. I was also implying that David was also wrong for beheading anyone at all, and if God directed him to do so, that God was also wrong.
Please do not read the wrong things into my comments. Ask me first, OK?
PS: I just read your post immediately above.
Man, you are way off base as to what I was saying and why!! Damn it, go back and read who brought up the beheading subject. If you cannot do that, then just drop it!![This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by mdec on :
To RiverRatOops, RiverSnake is more appropriate name, it fits your evil spirit.
MdeC
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
rivercity wrote:"are you suggestings that these innocent people were barbarians for trying to help these people obtain freedom. if i remember right goliath has always been the bad guy,are you saying david was wrong for slaying this giant.... come on wallace you want me to lighten up"
rivercity,
I was implying the barbarism was bringing up the subject of beheading innocents on a stock thread. It was inappropriate. I was also implying that David was also wrong for beheading anyone at all, and if God directed him to do so, that God was also wrong.
Please do not read the wrong things into my comments. Ask me first, OK?
wallace nice whitewash, not good enough your statement stands as interperted. these barbarians beheading innocent people are ok with you ,even if wwjd recites an event that most god believing/fearing people learned at church as a child. and you believe GOD was wrong. if so then you might be speaking some jibberish that know one would understand... is philistine a language...... come on i bet you have stepped over the the line at least once before in your life... was it hard to admit that you screwed up then. because this time you didn't step,you took a gigantic leap.... apologies are in order........ rivercity
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Say goodnight, Lucy.CORRECTION:
Say goodnight, Gracie.
[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited November 10, 2004).]
Posted by will on :
Good point. Didn't consider the possibility of them going through it without an enforcement action. Could happen. I'll stayed tuned to find out.
The stock does need it, definately. Judged on the past performance of the principals involved here I wouldn't be buying or urging anyone to buy more.
quote:
Originally posted by legaleagle:
"I fully understand an investigation is not guilt, but I also understand it isn't a good thing."It can be a very good thing to go through an analytical review by the SEC, and come out the other side without an enforcement action. It amounts to getting the blessing of the SEC,if you are investigated and cleared.
While it may cause a short term deflation of the price per share, the long term effect will be a new confindence by shareholders. I would dare to say that being cleared by the SEC is what this stock needs.
Posted by Penny-Trader on :
Yasser Arafat has died. word just out on CNN it is confirmed
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
Will, the SEC is not investigating CMKX. They are looking at UCAD/USCA. I doubt if one will have little effect on the other at this stage of the "game". And, CMKX is the basic company in question here.
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:evil spirit..... give me a break MY DIK. YOU STILL HERE!!!!!! beheadings, you know cut their heads off.and the best you can do is call me riversnake,evil spirit. these are INNOCENT,YOU UNDERSTAND,people. and you want to stoop to this. now let's evaluate your position. you agree with the beheading of innocent people. you really are SCREWED UP.how in this world could you agree that this is a good position to defend. are you in the wrong country!!!! do you think this is how human beings should treat other human beings........ i'll make it easy for you, it's just like they tell you about drugs on T.V. JUST SAY NO!!!!! MR.EVIL SPIRIT RIVBERSNAKE to you........
Originally posted by mdec:
To RiverRatOops, RiverSnake is more appropriate name, it fits your evil spirit.
MdeC
Posted by mdec on :
Yes RiverSnake i'm still here.MdeC
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
mdec,Speaking of drugs and spirts, someone is high on one or the other.
Posted by mdec on :
WallaceI came to the same conclusion, RiverSnake should reduce the speed and sit on the pot.
MdeC
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:wrong fellas. don't touch the stuff.nice try,but it won't pass here. "now i know where those insurgents got the idea to do likewise with innocents" WALLACE#1 read it again fellas, thats your response wallace..... rivercity
Originally posted by mdec:
WallaceI came to the same conclusion, RiverSnake should reduce the speed and sit on the pot.
MdeC
Posted by mdec on :
Well, if its not the funny stuff then its more serious.
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:waiting for your answer, beheading innocent people is ok with you. rivercity
Originally posted by mdec:
Yes RiverSnake i'm still here.MdeC
Posted by rivercity on :
quote:
Originally posted by mdec:
Well, if its not the funny stuff then its more serious.
my dik.... never have had a co dependancy but obviously you are dependant on wallace to lead you around. can't you evaluate right from wrong,or do you need wallace to fill in the blanks... again fellas drugs are not my tool of trade. i'm not surprised that you both stooped to the drug issue,easiest way to write off the issue. rivercity
Posted by mdec on :
RiverSnakeRemember that story in the bible where that whore runs up to Christ and says save me because there was a bunch of notables from town who wanted to stone her. Christ said he who is without sin can start the killing, they were smart enough to realize that they had all sinned and departed.
Well you RiverSnake i don't think you are any better than Wallace in the guilt domain, just show your smarts and shut up.MdeC
Posted by Upside on :
See what I meant earlier Bob?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
rivercity,One last time I will try to get through to the area of your mind that deals with comprehension.
You stated:
"now i know where those insurgents got the idea to do likewise with innocents" WALLACE#1 read it again fellas, thats your responsePLEASE NOTE:
"insurgents" = the bad guys
"innocents" = the good guys
David said he would cut off the head of Goliath...objectionable thought
David cut off the head of Goliath...reprehensible action
Suggestion - maybe they ("insurgents") got the idea from the bible thumpers of old (generally referred to as "innocents" in my statement).
Subject - no place on the CMKX thread considering the current situation in Iraq, considering that "Innocents" in Iraq are being beheaded by "insurgents" in Iraq. Extremely objectionable.
Fact - Religion should have no place on ANY stock forum or in any stock decision. It is illogical!!!
Now, what in hell cannot you understand about that?
Posted by Wallace#1 on :
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
See what I meant earlier Bob?The "clean hands theory" applies to everyone, doesn't it? LOL
Posted by mdec on :
WallaceClean hands maybe what about weasels?
MdeC
Posted by Bob Frey on :
Yes I do.Folks the company and its stock!
New thread time.
[This message has been edited by Bob Frey (edited November 11, 2004).]
