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Maybe he doesn't like people peeking at his cards.
At least he's talking to the share holders.

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As a shareholder you are satisfied if those general remarks were all he said?

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Originally posted by highwaychild:
Maybe he doesn't like people peeking at his cards.
At least he's talking to the share holders.


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I havn't heard the interview.
But I don't think we'll hear much of substance untill CMKX is a reporting company.

[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 17, 2004).]


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There you have it. No question about a short.


You will know about the fully reporting issue in about two weeks.


I think this just builds to an announcement soon. I think the party is in this time frame.


Also, Roger will fix the problems. This isn't just saying we have problems, but they are fixable.

If CMKX comes out of this a going concern with proper structure and revenue then it should do well.


Wallace, do you believe our problems are fixable?


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Oh! Your first reply : "Maybe he doesn't like people peeking at his cards.
At least he's talking to the share holders.", led me to believe that you might be satisfied with at least him talking to shareholders. I said to be fair we haven't seen or heard the whole interview or learned if there was detail to those general remarks. If there isn't more than that I would be disappointed. The summerized interview had very little substance, except to be patient. I would like substance over "at least", wouldn't you? If there isn't more then I would assume they are continuing to follow their policy of not being forthcoming and remaining ambiguous. Ambiguity only leads to these wild theories and specualtions to keep people buying. He even made a reference that at this price it would be prudent to purchase more, a buy opportunity.

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Originally posted by highwaychild:
I havn't heard the interview.
But I don't think we'll hear much of substance untill CMKX is a reporting company.

[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 17, 2004).]



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Here is the one I like,

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Urban says that they are working on fully reporting, says they aware of low share price, they will sort it out shortly


What is there to sort out, why are they not concerned right now? Is there too much going on to deal with it?


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quote:
Originally posted by highwaychild:
I havn't heard the interview.
But I don't think we'll hear much of substance untill CMKX is a reporting company.

[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited October 17, 2004).]


Why not, highwaychild? You ARE entitled to substance as a CMKX shareholder! That is a major part of "professional, fair and honest business practices". Don't you agree?


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Raider any idea why --- "There you have it. No question about a short."
Do you think that was purposely avoided? Usually when things are avoided that denotes resignation that it didn't exist. It's dismissed without acknowledging they were inaccurate and miscalculated the short issue. The faithful might say it was avoided as part of plan or trap, I don't buy that. I go with, sweep it under the rug, don't talk about it, they'll forget.

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I liked that one too, Raider, but chose the other two I posted. Sorted out was just too vague to me, I thought that would be obvious even to a casual observer. Good catch though, nothing like being ambiguous.

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Here is the one I like,


What is there to sort out, why are they not concerned right now? Is there too much going on to deal with it?



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When I say at least he is talking to shareholders I mean,How many sub-penny stock market C.E.O.s do that?
U. C. is not melvin you're dealing with.I think you're not going to get any answers until he is ready to give 'em.

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It may be over zealous skepticism that infers he is hiding info, it is possible he really doesn't know.


He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth.

All to be sorted out, when it is he will tell us. That is what I get out of this.


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Here is a post from RB

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abadgoodgirl, Did you think they gave us "the silent treatment"? But the 1500 ft. level is pretty darn deep to still be finding Kimberlite. Am I right?
tia



Is it possible UC is giving us kimberlite depth of the famous oreo pipe? That is the last place they were drilling per my recollection.


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oh shiit now theres a good atribute maybe he just doesnt know!!!!!

and you are ok with that thinking!!!


holly crap

That scares the hell out of me.


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Originally posted by RaiderJR:
It may be over zealous skepticism that infers he is hiding info, it is possible he really doesn't know.


He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth.

All to be sorted out, when it is he will tell us. That is what I get out of this.



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I have a link here where they CEO's of a lot of pennies are interviewd:
http://www.ceocast.com/index.cfm

There are probably a couple others that do like interviewing.

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Originally posted by highwaychild:
When I say at least he is talking to shareholders I mean,How many sub-penny stock market C.E.O.s do that?
U. C. is not melvin you're dealing with.I think you're not going to get any answers until he is ready to give 'em.


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according to melvins comment on Thursday they where not sure how far down they where but they had not found anything yet but that we would be the first to know
mms://media.bchost.com/audio/melvin_101304.wma

if they are down 1500 ft and still have not found anything that is not good. and according to what melvin said this is the second drilling in this swampy area.


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Here is a post from RB


Is it possible UC is giving us kimberlite depth of the famous oreo pipe? That is the last place they were drilling per my recollection.



[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 17, 2004).]


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Are you saying he may not know about a huge shorting problem. I thought that was what CMKX was claiming was killing the PPS, and to correct that was a major part of their plan.
Am I misunderstanding, does, "it is possible he doesn't reallty know", refer to something other than the shorting issue?

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It may be over zealous skepticism that infers he is hiding info, it is possible he really doesn't know.


He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth.

All to be sorted out, when it is he will tell us. That is what I get out of this.



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RJR wrote:
"He sees all the pumping and the restlessness and gives us something to bring people down to earth."


To exactly what are you referring?


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Two things,

1. the question was about pps not shorting. There are many things that apply to pps. If there were a shorting issue the divvy's distribution could help clear this up, I agree with you UC couldn't make this statement and know the shorting problem exacly.

Perhaps as others have said, he uses the divvy's to help extract the total number of shorts. Then UC would be telling the truth.

2. 1500 ft drill depth could apply in a general sense to any of the holes drilled in the past month. I am sure there have been multiple holes.

You are stretching things to connect UC's statement and Uncle Melvie's.


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i find it ridiculous that ppl still think there is a huge naked short. you can't use restricted shares in the loan program. these are special shares that cant be moved. the loan program that allows naked shorting is based on selling a stock with the idea of replacing that share within 3 days with stocks you bought when you could only the replace part never happens. where do you buy restricted shares? if any naked short belivers can explain that to me i might change my mind. ucad would be braindead to sell restricted shares to mm's to cover naked shares of a partner company not to mention secretly dilute their own shares. no wait that company in london was set up to cover naked shares of cmkx. they invested heavily in ucad only to get restricted shares of ucad so they could cover and so that nobody would catch on they invested in a bunch of other companies. devious bast***s those mm's are.

as for reporting qbid said it would be 6 months to a yr to get everything ready to be reporting and i dont think what mess they have is even close to cmkx's mess. qbid figures spring maybe early summer. i'm 46 yrs old i figure any time before i see 50 might be fast with the cmkx share structure mess

as for ppl like wwjd investing $25,000 in cmkx, i dont think they will get hurt. the dividends will cover a lot of that even with ucad's pps a yr from now and i'm sure a run will happen that if smart the differance can be made up in cmkx sells. i'd look for ucad to be at least $5 in a yr. if you notice they do seem to do the right things. even after this 3-1 forward split they will only have about a 70 million o/s with a few paying gold mines and a diamond mine in south america getting close to coming on line. the div's could easily be worth close to $20,000 and .0005 X 10 million cmkx shares covers $25,000 with 60 million cmkx shares in the bank. i'd like to be that person but i sure wouldn't be putting that kind of money into cmkx today even if i had it, not without the ucad shares

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Raider, I am not sure who you are replying to, it might help to either use the reply feature, or quote the person you're speaking to, or address them directly.
It's getting difficult for me to follow.

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Wallace,

The boards have been full of what is supposed to be revealed monday and later in the week.

UC's statement tend to discredit all these rumors, and focuses us a couple of weeks out.


There may be a lot of pumpers, but UC clearly isn't one of them according to the preliminary info.


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Would they drill to 1500ft and beyond without hitting kimberlite?

Or would they stop much sooner?


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paet 2 of his message was directed to me.

Im not sure about part one lol


quote:
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Raider, I am not sure who you are replying to, it might help to either use the reply feature, or quote the person you're speaking to, or address them directly.
It's getting difficult for me to follow.


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Sorry Penny,

Anyone can answer my responses if they feel the need.


Would they drill to 1500 ft in a dry hole?


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I'm pretty much finished for the day anyway. Not much more to say.
No "squeeze of the century"
Need detail of the interview, if there are any.

[This message has been edited by will (edited October 17, 2004).]


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http://www.ceocast.com/index.cfm ... Cool tool Will,thanks.
But how many of those company C.E.O. have a diamond cartel watching their every move.LOL
I'm gone.Hope there will be another pr in my E-mail when I get up.

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I dont believe i am stretching it. they are drilling in one area right now as they still only have the one drilling unit. they are planning on increasing the effort but from what i can gather is that they only still have the one.

Melvin made comment that Ron had just talked to him and that they where going back up there the next day.

Urban made the comment today about being down to 1500 ft.

so no i dont believe it is a stretch to combine the 2 comments to come up with this.


at least there is some fact behind it to support the comment unlike the NSS theory that everyone is willing to accept dispite the fact that it has been shot down as not existing.

I know you would rather believe the stuff that imagination is made of. I like the facts myself.

Rod

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Two things,

2. 1500 ft drill depth could apply in a general sense to any of the holes drilled in the past month. I am sure there have been multiple holes.

You are stretching things to connect UC's statement and Uncle Melvie's.



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I asked the question at rb and people with drilling knowledge said the overburden stops between 400 and 500 ft, and they would not drill much past this in a dry hole.

It gets more expensive the deeper you go.


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apparently they do since we have drilled that deep and still have no word on any type of finds.

do you honestly think that they wouldnt be braging up any finds at all?

look at how loud they where about 2 tiny little diamond fragments that where not worth mentioning.

just imagine what they will be like if they find anythign that resembles a diamond big enough to see.

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Sorry Penny,

Anyone can answer my responses if they feel the need.


Would they drill to 1500 ft in a dry hole?



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in the Caroline pipe they didnt hit kimberlite till they hit 400 ft if i remember right.

Urban has state we have drilled to 1500 ft.

so with your theory then they have a pipe that has estended down 1500 feet from around the 400 ft level. that would be huge news and again if that was the case there woudl be a lot of hype about it. Caroline pipe was estimated at about 200 ft of kimberlite and they where very excited about that.

i cant see them keeping quite under your theory.

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I asked the question at rb and people with drilling knowledge said the overburden stops between 400 and 500 ft, and they would not drill much past this in a dry hole.

It gets more expensive the deeper you go.



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quote:

Urban made the comment today about being down to 1500 ft.



He did not say at 1500 ft today. He said they had drilled from 100ft to 1500ft, that could be anytime over the past weeks.


Penny,

They would keep it quiet because they learned a lesson with Carolin. They got avg reults back fro a known pipe and it hurt them.

I think they are using results to make deals first, and will announce results to the public when it is time in their opinion.


This is one explanation.


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Good luck, Raider, I am gone until tomorrow...maybe.
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possibly.

I hope you are right, but untill this happens i will remain skeptical and refrain form strapping on the rose colored glasses.

less pain this way if it all goes down the tube.

Im not in love with this stock and will not fall into the trap of convincing myself that this is the one that will make me rich.

GLTA

close tomorrow .0002

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He did not say at 1500 ft today. He said they had drilled from 100ft to 1500ft, that could be anytime over the past weeks.


Penny,

They would keep it quiet because they learned a lesson with Carolin. They got avg reults back fro a known pipe and it hurt them.

I think they are using results to make deals first, and will announce results to the public when it is time in their opinion.


This is one explanation.



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I will hang on til the divvy's are divied. End of November. All I can lose is 50% of CMKX from this point.


I realize it ties my money up, I play a few others and hopefully they will pay off soon too.


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CMKM Diamonds Inc
Symbol CMKX


CMKM fans in dividend tizzy, await CEO interview

2004-10-15 20:30 ET - Street Wire

Also Street Wire (U-UCAD) US Canadian Minerals Inc

by Lee M. Webb

CMKM Diamonds Inc., a subpenny pink sheet promotion headed by Urban Casavant, has a cult-like following that was recently thrown into yet another tizzy, this time over a purported dividend-in-specie distribution of shares of Australia-based WMC Resources Ltd. CMKM fans are also excitedly awaiting the release of a so-called interview with Mr. Casavant conducted by Internet tout Ed Miller of the Green Baron.

While the CMKM faithful will indeed soon get to listen to Mr. Casavant field some vetted questions gently lobbed by Mr. Miller, they will not be receiving any WMC shares as a dividend distribution.

The WMC imbroglio

WMC bears little resemblance to the gaggle of companies associated with CMKM, some of which already figure in dividend-in-specie schemes. For example, a distribution of shares of recently made over and virtually penniless U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc., which is trading on the OTC Bulletin Board, was paid on Oct. 6.

A dividend-in-specie distribution of privately owned and inscrutable Casavant International Mining, formerly headed by Urban Casavant and now led by Ron Casavant, is slated for Oct. 18. A distribution of shares of pink-sheet traded Juina Mining Corp., a non-reporting company, will follow on Nov. 15.

WMC is a horse of a markedly different colour; it is a major diversified resources company that produces nickel, copper, uranium oxide, phosphate fertilizer and other products. The company reported an after-tax profit of $515-million (Australian) for the six months ending June 30, 2004.

The hullabaloo over WMC erupted after a British CMKM shareholder reported that he had received a TD Waterhouse corporate action notice advising that Mr. Casavant's pink sheet promotion had announced a distribution of WMC shares.

According to the Oct. 7 notice from TD Waterhouse, which was scanned and posted to the Internet, on Nov. 15 shareholders would receive 0.00012267 of a share of WMC for each share of CMKM. That is exactly the same payment date and ratio that has been officially published for the dividend-in-specie distribution of Juina Mining shares.

The possibility of a hoax or simply a clerical error by TD Waterhouse was largely dismissed by many of the cult-like CMKM followers. Indeed, according to one of the most widely followed CMKM Internet gurus, identified as U.S. Air Force officer Major Sterling Collins, the notice of a distribution of WMC shares was not likely a mistake at all.

"I believe it is very likely to be true and I think I see why besides the minerals and resources involved," Mr. Collins told a large group of his Internet followers on Oct. 11. "I think I can make some sense of this."

Apparently the sense that Mr. Collins could make of the WMC imbroglio turned on some convoluted gobbledegook involving a circular cash flow economic model, whatever that might be.

WMC, however, made more succinct sense of the matter.

"WMC Resources has no relationship with CMKM Diamonds," WMC spokesman John Higginbotham advised Stockwatch.

According to Mr. Higginbotham, WMC was trying to contact TD Waterhouse in both the U.S. and Britain "to alert them to this misinformation."

There will not be a dividend-in-specie distribution of WMC shares to CMKM shareholders.

Meanwhile, many of the excitable CMKM faithful have moved on to other wild speculation, making much ado about the upcoming release of Mr. Casavant's interview with the Green Baron.

Urban talks to tout

Mr. Casavant, known more familiarly among CMKM fans as "Urban" or "Urbie" or "UC," has reportedly already been interviewed by Mr. Miller, head of the Internet tout service the Green Baron.

U.S. Canadian Minerals chief executive officer Rendal Williams, in a reprise with Mr. Miller, took part in the same interview that will be made available to Green Baron members on Oct. 17 and released to the general public on Oct. 18.

Mr. Miller has been fishing for an interview with the elusive Mr. Casavant for quite some time, even attending some of the funny car races that CMKM's leader used to frequent in an attempt to chat him up. Evidently that did not pan out because Mr. Casavant did not show up at those particular races.

In any event, Mr. Miller reported in one of his earlier touts that Mr. Casavant had been advised by legal counsel that it would be best to postpone any interview until after CMKM became fully reporting.

The fact that Mr. Casavant has participated in the Green Baron interview to be generally released on Monday has, of course, sparked another frenzy of speculation among the company's faithful followers. Indeed, among other things, speculation is rampant that CMKM will have reporting status before the interview is released.

Many believe that just such an announcement will be made before the markets open on Oct. 18, possibly even some time this weekend. Some more skeptical observers, widely known as "bashers," express doubts about whether CMKM, a company with more than 779 billion shares outstanding, will ever become a reporting issuer.

To this point, CMKM has not made any filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission signalling a return to reporting issuer status, something that would undoubtedly be of interest to both the company's faithful followers and skeptics alike, if it ever happens.

Given that the interview questions were previously vetted by Mr. Casavant and Mr. Williams, the eagerly awaited interview of Mr. Casavant is not likely to involve much, if anything, in the way of questions that would require specific answers about such things as the share structure, the company's financial status or other hard facts that are generally available to investors in reporting companies.

Among many of CMKM's faithful followers, however, fantasies trump facts, so an abundance of puffery and a dearth of solid information emanating from the so-called interview may not cause much of a stir.

Indeed, it is quite likely that any puffery will be far easier to fit into the fantasies of the starry-eyed naifs who seem to believe that CMKM has an "intrinsic value" of a trillion or even several trillion dollars, huge deposits of valuable minerals that pretty much span the spectrum of the periodic table and a massive short position that could top a trillion shares, among other unlikely things.

Quite apart from the fact that Mr. Casavant and Mr. Williams previously approved the interview questions, it is not likely that Mr. Miller would press his guests on any issues that might trouble CMKM's faithful followers or dampen their enthusiasm for the pink sheet promotion or hinder the U.S. Canadian Minerals promotion, for that matter.

After all, the Green Baron is a tout service, though the CMKM and U.S. Canadian Minerals touting is reportedly being provided free of charge. Moreover, Mr. Miller, who touts CMKM as "the stock play of a lifetime," holds shares of the company, as does his father at his suggestion. They probably hold shares of U.S. Canadian Minerals, too, given the dividend-in-specie distribution of restricted shares of that company on Oct. 6.

U.S. Canadian Minerals, which reported no revenue and a picayune $1,321 (U.S.) in cash for the quarter ending June 30, 2004, has been on something of a tear lately. (All future amounts are in U.S. dollars.)

The stock price flared to a rather astonishing $18.50 per share on Oct. 12 before giving up some of the gains. The following day, the company announced a three-for-one forward stock split, now set for Oct. 25.

Sour note

Evidently the recent trading activity and price spike in U.S. Canadian Minerals caught the attention of Stocklemon.com, an Internet publication that bills itself as "exposing lemons on the OTC market." It is widely accepted that Stocklemon and some of its followers engage in shorting OTC companies identified as lemons by the publication.

On Oct. 15, Stocklemon.com published its unflattering assessment of U.S. Canadian Minerals in what may be the first of several articles, if the publication follows its usual pattern.

"The business of UCAD (U.S. Canadian Minerals) has been a slew of convoluted deals and swaps with virtually worthless pink sheet companies," the Stocklemon report states. Mines and money have been swapped between them all, but it still leaves shareholders with no real value. The mines have no proven success; you can shuffle worthless entities around all day long, but at the end of the day you still end up with nothing, regardless of share price."

After examining several other matters and offering opinions, Stocklemon provided its conclusion, among other things mentioning CMKM.

"We are aware the CMKX has a large shareholder base and we respect people who invest their hard earned money in the markets," Stocklemon says, in part. "Yet, the stock market is not a get rich quick scheme and investors should do substantial due diligence before ever buying a penny stock.

"Remember, if you can't bet on the horse, bet on the jockey. In this case the jockeys do not have an investment grade track record.

"Please take this report as a respectful warning to all of you who might spend your hard earned money buying this stock."

Evidently the Stocklemon report drew considerable response, including reactions from CMKM shareholders. Indeed, the extent of the response and some of the reactions apparently even surprised Stocklemon's editor, who is no stranger to receiving rather harsh comments about his publication.

Meanwhile, the Stocklemon report did not have an adverse impact on the share price. In fact, with 192,150 shares changing hands U.S. Canadian Minerals gained $1.45 to close at $14.45 on Oct. 15.

CMKM rang up a volume of approximately 16 billion shares and closed unchanged at two-100ths of a cent on Friday.

The saga will continue.

Comments regarding this article may be sent to lwebb@stockwatch.com.

(More information regarding CMKM Diamonds and associated companies can be found in Stockwatch articles dated Oct. 21, 2003; June 22; Sept. 16 and 24; and Oct. 1, 2004.)


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