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JBCak47
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.0005?!??!?!?

Blasphemy! I need .0004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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GOOD MORING ALL. HAD A ORDER IN ALL LAST WEEK TRYING TO BY 9 MIL SHARES AT 0003, NEVER EVEN GOT A PARCIAL BUY. CHANGED ORDER THIS MORNING TO 0004 WENT THROUGH IH 1 MIN. PICKED UP ANOTHER 7.5 MIL SHARES. GO CMKX

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i want to get in for another 1.5M shares, but my money is tied up in "unsettled cash" in ameritrade. Its been 2 days now. UGH!
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quote:
Originally posted by Razorman:
i want to get in for another 1.5M shares, but my money is tied up in "unsettled cash" in ameritrade. Its been 2 days now. UGH!

You have to wire the funds Razorman if you want it available immediately.


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quote:
Originally posted by Brad:
You have to wire the funds Razorman if you want it available immediately.


Actually, the unsettled cash is not from a transfer, its from a sale of stock.

Not sure why this happened, but im asking Ameritrade for an explanation.


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I FILED A COMPLAINT WITH ETRADE BECAUSE THEY DIDINT EVEN GET A PARTCIAL FILL AT 0003.THEY HAD A WEEK. THEY SAID THE STOCK WAS HARD TO GET A HOLD OF.THEY SAID I SHOULD GET A CALL TODAY WITH A REASON WHY. I ALSO ASKED THEM ABOUT NAKED SHORTING OF THIS STOCK.THEY SAID THEY WERE AS AWARE OF THESE CONCERNS AS WE ARE, THEY SAID IT WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKLY THAT IS HAPPINING BECAUSE THE SEC IS ALL OVER THIS. I ALSO ASKED ABOUT GETTING CERTS. THEY SAID THE CERTS WERE MORE SECURE WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY DO NOT ALLOW ANY SHARES TO BE PURCHESED THROUGH THEM THAT DO NOT HAVE CERTS, ALSO THEY KEEP ALL RECORDS AND GARINTE THESE SHARES TO BE MINE. IF I GET CERTS NO GARINTE I DIDNT QUITE UNDESSTAND THAT BUT I WILL TRY TO GETA BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHEN I TALK TO THEM.
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razorman, i believe ameritrade will not let you buy non-marginal stocks with unsettled funds.........cmkx is is non-marginal...rivercity
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Good morning everyone and John. Had a good weekend including Friday. I am back and surprisingly I missed quite a weekend on this thread. Another surprise, I got on Wallace's list - I did not know that thinking that John is funny is a crime around here. Oh well may be Wallace will be wearing huggies this week so I am predicting for a good week. No offence to you Wallace, it looks like all this garbage going on this weekend was because you started it.
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The following post has some very valid points and DD. I disagree on the dollar value and think we need confirmations of each mineral class and size of deposits before apecific numbers can be seriously considered. Ballpark figures I think make sense. Currently we are valued at .0004 for 500 Billion shares = $200 Million. As we find out the outstanding share count and structure and get a better picture of what our holdings contain the price will adjust accordingly. Ballpark figure for me is up from where we are now. I am buying. Debi

CMKX: GREATEST MINING RESERVES IN THE WORLD!

By: houstontex1110
07 Aug 2004, 12:07 AM EDT
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MESSAGE TO ALL

Everyone needs to plainly give little or no attention to the OS question. Here's why:

I am by no means an expert in mining stocks. If I was, I would be a mining analyst or mining engineer. However, I first gained exposure to mining through my Dad who owned a small silver mine located in the Big Bend of west Texas. He also worked for a mining operation in Mexico for eight years, and naturally invested in mining stocks.

I finally initiated my own investing career in gold, silver, copper and cobalt mining stocks. During that period, I reviewed hundreds of possibilities, principally via mining newsletters. One in particular really enthused me. Why? The proven and probable mineral reserves totaled around3 billion dollars! Just ONE of our gigantic kimberlites could surpass that by a factor of 100.

In the mining industry, a billion dollar proven reserve is a big deal. We could realistically prove out a trillion dollars in reserves. Take that horrible sounding 500 Billion shares , and divide it into one trillion...$2 per share. If it is one half that, $4 per share.

I must again state, The OS is no longer an issue. Why?
The world has never, never seen a pink sheet co. almost monopolize a region of mineral deposits of this magnitude. This is one of those events which happens once in a hundred years. Sort of like Microsoft, or the US Steel conglomerate or perhaps even surpassing the greatest empire of all time.
Rockefeller after factoring in inflation, amassed a fortune estimated at $ 750 billion. He gobbled up all the oil competition and retired in his early fifties.

Whenever a basher brings up the OS, just focus on the trillion dollars.

I must give Dr. Diamond credit for working out the math on the oreo structure. I believe the world's largest diamond mine is valued around 6 billion. You hear that? These Canadian kimberlites are the elephant deposits which the world's largest mining companies aim for. Before long, they will be giving that Casavant genius a phone call. Large mining concerns do not waste their manpower and resources on small deals. They need size to justify their labor resources, and the giant deals are few and far between.

Just remember, I predict within the next 6 months, a PR will come out specifying that X corp is joint venturing with us.

The bashers are using a trick on you who fret over the OS. They continue whispering, "But what about the 500 billion OS?" And doesn't that sound negative? 500 billion by itself is like a vacuum. It is a sentence without an ending. After you times 500 billion by .0005 you come up with $250,000,000. Folks, the market capitulation is what it's all about. Given our trillion dollar potential, $250 million is a pittance.

I read where one poster was griping about the cost of UC flying from race to race. That is a man who is still living in pink sheet land. We are actually a NYSE corp. in the making. If we had already reached the Big Board, would he still be griping?

I know. Someone will accost me with, "You sure are assuming success before we even pull up one macro diamond find." My answer is, Glenn and Co. saw the handwriting on the wall as well. Some people have vision and can literally predict the future based upon dozens of relevant factors. Others have ZERO ability at making predictions, and MOST will be the naysayers. Identify them as just griping grouches. Some people are never satisfied. They have bought into the investment of a lifetime, and they habitually write posts pointing out problems.

CMKM is a mining company, not a pharmaceutical, a retailer or real estate inv corp. You must apply the correct criterion for judging its future, and those standards are based upon mining science. It all comes down to its intrinsic value...the minerals in the ground. Not its future income stream from the public strolling down the aisles.

The mining numbers will be flowing in over time, and as the world realizes what we have, the price will continue to rise; except in our case soar. In the mining ind. as the drill holes continue to prove out the mineral deposit, the price adjusts upward upon each new press release. Notice, nothing was mentioned about a rising eps...that is more applicable to retailing, manufacturing, etc. Will eps ever become an issue??

Yes in time it will impact the pps. The investment community will expect to eventually see revenue growth and eps growth. But in the short term, that is not critical, and over the long run we ought to see a rising eps, as those proven reserves are put into production.

Notice how shrewd UC is? That is one reason he is looking to establish some income producing properties as soon as possible. He knows how fickle the investment community is. Despite all our mineral wealth, the market must see profits, or the pps will suffer. He is attempting to cover both necessities...eps and proven mineral reserves.

Significantly, UC in the words of a poster, "UC is a marketing machine." Not only will we prove out the greatest mining reserves in the world, but UC will make positively certain the world has not missed the NEWS...knowledge.

THE OUTSTANDING SHARE QUESTION IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE. Knowledge is power, but only if acted upon. Our future trillion dollar reserve basis is knowledge which can and ought to set you free from worrying about the OS.
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By: ***********Club
09 Aug 2004, 02:05 AM EDT
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CMKX: The Casavant Manuever is Shapping Up
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Readers,

The Casavant Manuever is shaping up. Over the last month shareholders have witnessed many changes within CMKX. So far CMKX has declared three dividends for shareholders

1. CMKX reached a purchase agreement with U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTC BB: UCAD ) to which U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. will be purchasing 5% of all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. in exchange for 7.5 million shares of UCAD. CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will later issue these shares to all shareholders of record on August 20, 2004.

In addition to this first dividend UCAD has a 1 year option agreement to purchase an additional 10% interest of all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. for a total of $15 million U.S. dollars payable to CMKM Diamonds. In an additional press release UCAD has made a 3,000,000 towards gaining the additional 10% interest in CMKM Diamonds.

2. CMKX will receive a 10% lifetime royalty on all mineral claims of CIM and will also receive 40 billion shares of CIM stock, which CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will distribute pro rata as a dividend to all CMKM shareholders of record on August 31, 2004.

3. CMKX has purchased common stock equating to 25% of the outstanding shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM) for $500,000. In addition, GEMM has issued an option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000.

CMKX has elected to distribute the 95,502,027 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM) which were recently purchased by the company as a dividend to its shareholders. GEMM also issued a 60-day option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000 USD. When exercised, the company has elected to distribute this additional 127,336,036 as a dividend on the same record and distribution date.

These dividends could turn out to be very valuable to CMKX shareholders over time. Shareholders should be very pleased with the recent events CMKX has completed which will be adding portfolio value for all shareholders.

Next week all companies involved with CMKX will be meeting in
Saskatchewan working towards an action plan directed to the future for all. I think the word “all” includes shareholders not just the companies that are meeting.

If you go to http://***********.com/Profile-CMKX.htm you can read press releases related to the three announced dividends. Also you can review all the subsidiaries of UCAD and look at pictures of their operations.

The wild card investors are wondering about is the Outstanding/Issued shares. A lot of concern is being made at PalTalk, Yahoo *********** Club, RagingBull and various sites by shareholders and even non-shareholders.

At the Denver race I was fortunate to speak to Urban, he mentioned he owned 100,000,000,000 billion shares of CMKX. He also stated shareholders should always read between the lines in press releases. Taking those two statements into consideration and the 40,000,000,000 CIM dividend I have came up with the follow guesstamate of the Outstanding/Issued shares. I break it down in this way:

40,000,000,000 billion figure came out of the CIM Dividend, I consider this figure the real shareholder float
75,000,000,000 billion paid to Nevada Minerals Inc. of which 40,000,000,000 came from Urban’s 100,000,000,000 CMKX position leaving Urban
60,000,000,000 billion
25,000,000,000 billion for good measures
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200,000,000,000 billion estimate Outstanding/Issued

I do understand everyone is guessing at the OS but IMO this is a maximum figure I am going on at this time. Sterling made a great post yesterday and he figured the OS at apx. 193,000,000,000 billion so Sterling and myself are close enough in or calculations I feel very comfortable we are ranging the OS close.

I am still told the Market Makers have a naked short position at this time. The DTCC is responsible for maintaining orderly dividend distributions to shareholders. If the MMs are currently holding a short position it is the responsibility of DTCC to collect and stock or cash dividends beyond the actual float the company has established to the DTCC. The company is telling us they are not distributing dividends to restricted shares, to Urban or anyone not identified as a normal shareholder. This is where I feel the 40,000,000,000 billion comes into play. I figure the 40 billion is the figure Urban and company is using to calculate distributable shareholders qualified for a dividend whether stock or cash. Again this is all my opinion but the figures to come from press releases (reading between the lines) and Urban’s holdings came from Urban himself.

I firmly believe the MMs are naked short CMKX shares. If this is fact the MMs will struggle to place dividend shares in our brokerage accounts but they could work around this dividend if the shares were restricted. A one year share restriction, in my opinion, would give the MMs one year to cover a naked short in theory. Recently new rules are going into affect changing the manner MMs make a market with naked short shares. The final date the MMs have is the first week of January 2005 to comply. This would disrupt and plans for the MM to cover over a one year time frame.

The best way to force a MM cover would be a cash dividend. If CMKX were to dividend shareholders of record cash the MMs would be liable for covering any naked short. DTCC would force the MMs to cover by giving them a “Fed Call”. Many of us buying in margin accounts understand what a Fed Call is. This is a three-day period you have to comply with regulatory Federal Rules to keep your account in compliance maintaining a certain percentage equity position…this can vary according to brokerage rules put on certain securities. Keep in mind Market Makers work under slightly different rules then retail buyers. Fortunately for the MM they can file an extension extending the Fed Call compliance date. I am sure the MMs short CMKX will ask for the extra time.

Cash is king, is the old saying. What is coming up could get very interesting if the MMs do have to deal with hard cash and not stock. It’s hard to shuffle a short cash position around like they normally do with short stock positions. If this all comes to fruition this will be a first that a small pink sheet company has won the battle with the MM. Market Makers, imo, are responsible for ruining many start-up companies through naked shorting these small companies to the point they can’t raise enough cash to fund operations. This could show other start-up companies there is a method to ward off the MM naked shorting attack.

The future rewards for shareholders should be huge. Understand Urban has stated to many he wants to “make a million millionaire shareholders.” What a statement for a CEO to make. Urban is a gracious individual. He cares about his shareholders so much he wants us all to become financially successful. Also this financial success creates an entire new shareholder base for future companies acquired or any type of IPO that CMKX might participate with in the future.

Everyone imagine if you receive a cash dividend what you would possible do with a small part of the proceeds. I think many are going to buy more CMKX shares. Urban understands when he puts more money in your accounts that you could possible spend you might choose to reinvest into CMKX or other companies involved with CMKX. If many buy CMKX shares with cash proceeds you need to understand the ramifications that will hit the CMKX stock price. The current .0004 level will be history. The stock price should gap large percentage gaps. The price should quickly gap to the cash dividend price. This free cash will have an onward and upward rolling affect that will cause short MMs a serious upset belly. It is time the MMs experience the upset belly feeling that many of us seasoned investors have experienced when they naked shorted our stock holdings to zero in the past.

In my opinion something big is about to happen for all CMKX shareholders. CMKX has more mineral land claims then they could possible mine. In my opinion these claims have more to them then just diamonds. These claims could hold Gold, Uranium, Zinc, Copper, Oil and other valuable minerals. I think Urban is aware he is holding a mineral super market for many major companies. I am sure he isn’t opposed to allow the big boyz to start shopping the CMKX Mineral Shopping Center.

After meeting Urban in Denver I have no doubt, if a company shopped the CMKX Market, shareholders would be rewarded through either a stock or cash dividend. Urban understands shareholders are what makes a company move ahead and fuels a CEO’s heart to do his best for those shareholders. Urban is a different type of CEO then I have ever been around. I can’t put into words my size of respect he gained from me in just one weekend. I hope to be with this company for a long time and watch the stock and cash dividends build my portfolio. I guess in a way I could call this “The Urban Casavant Mutual Fund”.

To end, in my opinion, those that have positions in CMKX will all become millionaires. If you only hold 500,000 shares, if you hold and be patient your rewards of dreaming of making a million in the stock market will come into reality. I am serious as I write this and yes I am seriously more excited about a stock then I have ever been in all the years I have been around. I want to wish all shareholders good luck and good fortune.

All the above is just my opinion, no buy, sell or hold positions should be taken by reading this news letter.

Everyone needs to view updated profile
http://***********.com/Profile-CMKX.htm

Thank you,

Hal Engel aka ***********



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Check out this link it is the book on securities regulations written by D Roger Glenn, CMKXs head counsel.

http://capitalmarkets.rrdonnelley.com/download/refpubs/Corporate_Responsibilities.pdf

May God Bless All.


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This is a little long but worth the read of you follow any of Sterling's predictions and theories. I respect Sterling but I have to admit, some of his posts are OUT THERE baby. The post below was from PennyWrangler in reponse to Sterling's post titled CMKX-Operation Dividends...

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Ok. lets take this one step at a time here, like I do in my PR reviews...

1) The idea that dividends can force naked shorts to cover is correct IMO. I think we are all quite familiar with this idea. Basically, when you hold a short position, you must pay any dividends on that short position, whether it’s naked or not. This is because shorting always creates the illusion that more shares exist than really do.

For anyone unfamiliar with how this works, I’ll give a brief example. Joe owns 1 share of XYZ corp. Shortie thinks XYZ corp is over-valued and that the pps will go down. So, Shortie borrows 1 share of XYZ corp from Joe. Joe does NOT know that this has happened. He still sees 1 share of XYZ in his brokerage account. Ok, Shortie takes that share he borrowed and sells it. Lets say Sam bought it. Now both Joe and Sam think that they own 1 share of XYZ. So this 1 share looks like 2 shares now.

Ok, now XYZ offers a dividend. Lets say they offer 1 share of ABC stock for every share of XYZ stock someone holds. Both Joe and Sam are delighted that they will get 1 share of ABC. When the dividend is paid, XYZ corp pays Sam 1 share of ABC. Joe also gets 1 share of ABC, which was bought by Shortie and delivered by Shortie into Joe’s account.

Shortie could have avoided having to do this if he had bought 1 share of XYZ and given it back to Joe, eliminating his short position. This is called “covering”. Shortie would have to do this before the “ex-div” date, which is usually 3 days before the “record” date. For purposes of the UCAD dividend, the “record” date is 8/20.

The only difference between this and naked shorting is that, if Shortie had opened a “naked" short position, he would have sold 1 share of XYZ to Sam, and kinda promised that some day he would borrow that share from somewhere and actually deliver it to Sam. Since Sam never REALLY takes posession of that share of XYZ (although it shows up in his account as if it really existed), it is up to Shortie to pay him any dividends that he has coming to him.

If Shortie has sold a LOT of shares naked short like this, he’s going to have to cough up a LOT of shares of ABC. Those cost money, and the fact that dividends are coming out really make Shortie question whether shorting XYZ was really a good idea anyway. So Shortie will often choose to cover rather than pay the dividend.

Also, if XYZ offers a dividend in the form of stock in a company that is not publicly traded (like CIM for example), then Shortie is really in a bind. He CAN’T buy shares of CIM to deliver to all the Sams he sold shares to. It is impossible; he just can’t do it. So he has to cover. If he doesn’t then he’s in trouble, cuz demz da rules.

Sorry for the digression, but folks new to this really have to understand this process for any discussion of a naked short sqeeze to make any sense at all.

2) Ok, so this “operation dividends” thing suggests that offering dividends will help eliminate the naked short position. I agree, especially with the CIM dividend. The UCAD dividend should work nicely too, because the UCAD float is very small. There are very few shares available for Shorties to buy to pay to all the Sams out there. So far so good.

3) Early on Sterling suggests a cash dividend. I’ll say right now that everyone would love to get a cash dividend, but I see no reason to expect one any time soon. Just does not make any sense that the company would send cash our way when they could use it for drilling operations, equipment, and company/mining-rights acquisitions. Sterling offers nothing of substance to change my mind about this. It might happen, and if it does I’ll be a happy camper just like every other shareholder, but I’m not holding my breath because it really doesn’t make business sense to me.

4) A cash dividend is not more likely to cause short covering than a share dividend. It’s actually a lot harder to come up with shares to distribute than cash. So IMO a share dividend is a MUCH more effective way to force short covering than a cash dividend.

5) Sterling suggests that UCAD and GEMM are going to a major exchange. Possible, but I see no indications of this at this time. This looks like pure speculation.

6) Sterling keeps talking about the “date of execution”. I have figured out from context that what he means is “date of record”. When talking about dividends, there are only 3 dates of significance:

a) ex-div date -- First day to buy shares and NOT be eligible for the dividend. Usually 3 days before the "record" date because it generaly takes 3 days for trades to "settle".

b) record date -- Date on which you MUST be a shareholder of record in order to be eligible for the dividend. If you buy before the ex-div date and hold the shares through the record date, you will get the dividend. Technically you don’t really have to hold the shares even this long, but I don’t like to push my luck with such things...

c) distribution date -- Date that the dividend is actually paid. It is not uncommon for the payment (stocks or money) to not actually show up in your account until the day AFTER the distribution date in my experience.

So, there’s no such thing as an “execution” date, unless you are found guilty of murder in Texas... Sterling means the “record” date.

7) Fruitages? LOL!

8) The explanation for the large o/s is, to be polite, ludicrous. Sterling suggests that Urban created a gargantuan o/s because he wanted to help as many people as possible. He also suggests that a smaller o/s would not help as many people because a small number of people would accumulate most of the o/s.

Utter nonesense. No businessman would think like this for one thing. It’s one thing to respect your shareholders and want to reward them. It’s quite another to believe that Urban’s primary goal is to provide welfare. Sterling suggests that 1M shares would not be enough to ensure good liquidity. Yeah, that’s true, but 10B would be PLENTY. With a smaller o/s, the pps would be proportionately higher, and people would buy less because it would cost more. The same number of people would end up with about the same percentage ownership of CMKX with an o/s of 10B as would for an o/s of 500B.

We have a large o/s because CMKX is a junior mining company that needs money for exploration and has no source of revenue yet. It may also be true that the a/s was jacked up to enable Urban to grab enough shares to protect CMKX from takeover by De Beers. Also always remember that “counterfeit” shares created by naked shorts are NOT part of the “official” o/s, which is what is being discussed here.

9) Sterling suggests that we will get 49% of any transaction, whether this be cash or shares. This is pure guess work and I think this is very unlikely. For one thing, we haven’t seen this happen with ANY of the transactions to which we are privy. Consider the transactions and dividends we’ve seen so far:

a) UCAD is giving CMKX 7.5M shares. CMKX is giving 100% (note, NOT 49%) of these shares to shareholders via a dividend.

b) UCAD gave CMKX $3M to exercise their option. We have not gotten a PR saying that we get ANY of this money, so right now we’re looking at getting 0% of this transaction.

c) GEMM is giving CMKX 49% of it’s o/s (assuming CMKX exersises their option on the remaining 25% of GEMM, which I think they will do). However, if you run the numbers (see my review of this PR) you will see that shareholders are NOT getting all of this. CMKX is retaining 7% and giving us 42% of the GEMM o/s. So again, NOT 49%.

d) CIM is giving CMKX 40B shares. The PR from 7/19/04 implies that 100% of this will go to shareholders in a dividend.

So, I really don’t see where Sterling is getting this “shareholders get 49% of everything” stuff from.

Plus, as I and others have said before, it makes a lot more sense for CMKX to keep it’s cash right now to fund exploration efforts.

10) Sterling says that he assumes that the CMKX float is 40B because of the wording of the CIM dividend PR. I must assume that he is referring to this PR saying that the CIM shares will be distributed “pro rata”. Well, I hate to tell ya that “pro rata” just means “in proportion too, as determined by a specific factor” (http://www.investorwords.com/5735/pro_rata.html). Well, the factor can be anything, so assuming that this means 1:1 is just wishful thinking. Now, the float may very well be on the order of 40B, but I think it’s closer to 100B personally. Certainly the language of the CIM dividend PR does not provide any clues; it just happens to say “pro rata”, when in fact ALL dividends are given pro rata, whether they bother to say so or not!

11) Sterling suggests that Urban will specify that only non-restricted shares will get these dividends. By this he means that Urban, his family, private investors, and companies getting CMKX shares (like Nevada Minerals) will not be eligible for these dividends. Essentially this means that only the “float” would get the dividends; no one else. Obviously if the public float is some figure between 40B and 100B, this would put a lot more shares in our accounts than if these dividends are paid on the entire 483 o/s.

Well, this is a lovely thought, but yet another case of extremely optimistic thinking that, IMO, has no basis in reality. If this in fact happens, I’ll be thrilled, but I see no reason to believe this is the case. Sterling doesn’t offer any reason for why he thinks this will happen either, other than Urban is a really nice guy. We’ll see.

12) Sterling assumes (there’s that word again) that the 75B shares given to Nevada Minerals is 49% of the o/s, and Urban and insiders hold 51% of the o/s. Well, this fits nicely with Sterling’s zero float theory, but otherwise again has no basis in reality. There’s just no reason to believe this. About all you can surmise is that 75B is less than half the o/s, because I’m pretty sure Urban would not give controlling interest in his company to Nevada Minerals. So, as I have discussed elsewhere, the o/s simply MUST be larger than 150B. But there is no reason to assume that it is exacty 150B + 1 shares. This is just a minimum figure based on the NM PR.

13) The calculation of the 153,061,224,489 shares is again nonesense. Look, the only point here is that Nevada Minerals simply must not get controlling interest in CMKX. It is not necessary for the number of shares given to them to be 49%. It is necessary that the number of shares given to them be less than 50%. The smallest number of shares required to be in the o/s for this to be true, given that NM was given 75B shares, is 150,000,000,001. Simple as that. Sterling’s math error is based on the notion that these percentages have to be whole numbers. Nope... they can be fractional.

14) The $15 dollar figure for UCAD’s pps is, you guessed it, optimistic. Yeah, it will go up if good things happen for UCAD, but you can’t count on it. We know for a fact that we are getting restricted shares of UCAD; we won’t be able to sell them for a year after we get them. There is no way to predict what UCAD’s pps will be in the fall of 2005. Might be better, might be worse. Best you can do is just use the $6 figure that it’s trading at now when thinking about the value of the UCAD dividend. The same goes for any share dividend.

15) Sterling plays around with some Excell spreadsheet “what if” kinds of calculations to show what your shares are worth given different o/s figures. Cute, but nothing new. Basically if the o/s is anywhere near where I think it is, no one is getting much out of any of these dividends. But hey, it’s more than we had before and they didn’t have to give us anything, so I’m not complaining. I’m just saying these dividends are not going to enable us to quit our day jobs, and the ones that are restricted are totally worthless for 1 year.

16) Sterling assumes (*sigh*) that the “plus sign” in front of the UCAD dividend ratio (+.0000155) means that this ratio could be bigger. He also suggests that this ratio is a “temporary” figure that has been reported.

Uhhhh... no, sorry. The “+” means that these shares will be added to our accounts. And companies don’t submit a “worst case guess” for a dividend ratio, then change it later. What utter nonesense! No, what you do is figure out what the ratio will be and submit it. One time. Period.

Sterling is having the same denial problems that a lot of people are having. Look, the ratio for the UCAD dividend has been reported, PERIOD. DONE DEAL. COPE.

BTW, there is such a thing as a negative dividend. This is how a reverse split would appear. For example, a 2:1 reverse split would show up as a “-0.5” dividend, meaning that for every share of a stock that you hold, 1/2 of a share is taken away from you.

This is why they put the “+/-” in front of the ratio; to indicate whether the dividend is being paid TO you or being paid BY you.

17) Sterling thinks we’ll get 15 or more dividends. Who knows. We have 3 right now. Over the next 10 years, if the company is around that long, we probably will get over 15 dividends. Pure guess work again.

18) Sterling thinks CMKX is headed for the NYSE. Who knows. Urban and Roger and no one else, that’s who.

19) The notion that a cash dividend will drive the share price up to 10X or 20X of the cash dividend value is absolutely nuts. Koo Koo, Krazy for KoKoPuffs nuts. When a cash dividend is announced for a stock, especially a stock that does not regularly pay cash dividends, the value of the stock typically goes up by the amount of the announced dividend. So if a 0.10 dividend were announced, CMKX would go up to approximately 0.1004. Once the dividend is paid, the value of the stock will go down to 0.0004 again. That’s how cash dividends work. Go look at other stocks that occasionally pay dividends that are a large percentage of the stock’s pps. They pop up when the dividend is announced, and they pop back down just as fast on ex-div day.

So lets look at Sterlings thinking here. For example, lets look at the 0.20 figure. He says that the price could go up to 0.20 because, after all, you will get half your money back, and be left with this great stock with huge potential! Well, that’s not how normal investors will look at this. Most see this as a super-risky play that they would not normally touch with a 10 mile long stick. If the pps were at 0.20, what they would see is the opportunity to spend 0.20 for 1 share of a company that would pay them 0.10, then plunge instantly back to 0.0004. Oops, I just lost nearly 0.10 per share!

This is why the pps will only go up to the value of the dividend plus the market’s valuation of the stock at the time the dividend was announced, AT MOST. This is because it is common for a stock to go LOWER after the dividend is paid than it was before, because investors now know that the company is POORER than it was before, by the amount of the dividend. In other words, they know that the book value of the company is lower than it was before they gave out the dividend, by the total amount of the dividend.

20) How about this comparison with a savings account? Sterling suggests that the pps could go as high as $2 because you will make 5% on your money with a 0.10 dividend, and that’s better than what you will get from a savings account. Perhaps, but the amount of money in your savings account won’t go down after the interest is paid. The pps of such a stock most definitely will go down on ex-div day. A “normal” $2 stock will go down to $1.90 after paying a 0.10 dividend typically, unless it is very strong (meaning “in demand”, usually because it’s in a good sector and it is growing its earnings consistently).

If CMKX somehow managed to surge to $2 from 0.0004 based on a 0.10 dividend (impossible, but for sake of argument...), then after the dividend was paid, it would plunge right back into 0.0004 land. Ok, now you paid $2/share to make $0.10/share, and now your original $2/share is only worth $0.0004/share. Hmmmm... seems to me you didn’t make out too well there bub.

21) Again with the tender offer. Well, I hope we get a nice juicy TO as much as anyone else. Sterling is right that we need time to get as much out of a TO as possible. CMKX will get more money from a potential buyer if at least some of the mineral reserves are “proven” prior to negotiations. It would make sense to at least wait for core sample testing results to come back for the big “oreo” that we are currently drilling before making any final TO arrangements. Also, CMKX might be testing some of the other Carolyn samples now, and if this is the case, and they come back with great results, this would also be a big help during negotions. If a TO is going to happen, we all want to get TOP DOLLAR for our shares.

Now, as to whether a TO will happen... again, I say “Who knows?”. Urban and Roger and nobody else. Rumors about a TO turned out to be pure b/s last time, so as far as I’m concerned, I see no reason to believe any kind of a TO is in the works. If there is, great, otherwise, whatever.

22) Sterling is correct to point out that his “4 months from now” prediction of a TO is pure guess work. Four months ago we thought that by now we would all own a private island. Still, this is a reasonable guess because IMO results from the “oreo” (they should really name the pipe “oreo 1”, don’t you think?) will play a big role in negotiations (if a TO is even being considered). It will take about a month to get the core samples out of the ground and get them shipped off to the lab. It will take the lab at least 3 months to process the samples and get the results back to CMKX. Well, that’s 4 months.

23) Sterling sticks by his $2T valuation of CMKX. I think this is wrong. He came up with this by assuming that each acre of CMKX holdings is worth as much as each acre of the De Beers property, which Dr. Hutchinson said is worth between $40B and $80B total. Well, this is probably not true. It is likely that De Beers really has the best seat in the house. However, it is also true that the new-fangled survey shows that we have on the order of 100 kimberlite pipes on our properties, so it’s not unreasonable to presume that our holdings are worth (on a per acre basis) half of what the De Beers property is worth. Well, that makes CMKX a $1T company, which would mean a $2 pps with a 500B o/s. And of course this assumes that the commercial value of diamonds remains stable over several decades as the diamonds are brought out of the mines.

24) I know that my critique has been harsh. I’ve ripped as many holes in this thing as I could. Well, that’s just how I grade papers. I don’t hold back any punches because I believe in intellecual honesty and I have no patience for self delusion. That said, I really do respect Sterling and think he’s done wonderful things with his classroom and with his theories about what’s going on with CMKX. But lately I have been disagreeing with these theories of his more and more. Optimism is fine, but I have a problem with getting people’s hopes up with these extremely optimistic and unrealistic assumptions that seem to be getting more elaborate all the time. He falls into logical falacies and doesn’t understand some of the basics of how the stock market works, and that bothers me. He also makes a LOT of assumptions, and they are always slanted HARD on the optimistic side. This is why I don’t really pay much attention to what Sterling is saying these days. It’s just so far out in la la land as to not be worth reading really. I think Sterling is a smart guy, but like the rest of us he is starved for information, and this is IMO pushing him over the edge a bit. So just take what you see coming from Sterling with a big grain of salt. Some of it’s right, some of it is wrong, and all of it is VERY optimistic.


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The stock tipped 0.0005 (Ameritrade high)and...

Press Release for Cmkm Diamond Inc

Emerging Stock Report: ESR Reports on CMKX
8/9/2004 10:53:41 AM

ESR will also be keeping their eyes on CMKM Diamonds, Inc ( CMKX ), the company has received all it`s permits to mobilize its drilling equipment to a new site located approximately 5 miles northwest of Kensington-DeBeers Kimberlite 122 and 6 1/2 miles northwest of Shore Gold Inc.'s Star Diamond Project in the Forte a La Corne, Saskatchewan. ESR will be tracking this company over the next month to see how this translates.


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Safeguard. My level II stuff does not show cmkx going to .0005. How can I get to the website for ESR? Thanks
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Does the ESR Report any news for the CIM shares?

[This message has been edited by Spinoff (edited August 09, 2004).]


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ESR
CONTACT: Jay SK Lee Tel: +1 604 418 3909 e-mail: info@*********************** WWW: http://www.***********************

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www.e_m_e_r_g_i_n_g_stockreport.com (leave out the underscores)
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Cmkm Diamonds Inc (CMKX)


Bid Ask Last 0.0004
Open 0.0004 Close 0.0004 Change 0.00
High 0.0005 Low 0.0003 % Change 0.00
Volume -822805077 Last Size 500000 B/A Size
Last Trade Mon Aug 09 2004 12:15:27
Asset Type Equity
P/E 52 Wk. High 52 Wk. Low
Quote Type Real-Time Exchange OTC

Dividends

Amount Yield Ex-Div Date

Quote as of: Mon Aug 09 2004 12:15:31 PM EDT


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Somebody just blew it...check this high...

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Cmkm Diamonds Inc (CMKX)


Bid Ask Last 0.004
Open 0.0004 Close 0.0004 Change 0.0036
HIGH 0.004 Low 0.0003 % Change 900.00
Volume -822617574 Last Size 125000 B/A Size
Last Trade Mon Aug 09 2004 12:19:59
Asset Type Equity
P/E 52 Wk. High 52 Wk. Low
Quote Type Real-Time Exchange OTC


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Thanks safeguard.
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quote:
Originally posted by safeguard:
Somebody just blew it...check this high...

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Cmkm Diamonds Inc (CMKX)


Bid Ask Last 0.004
Open 0.0004 Close 0.0004 Change 0.0036
HIGH 0.004 Low 0.0003 % Change 900.00
Volume -822617574 Last Size 125000 B/A Size
Last Trade Mon Aug 09 2004 12:19:59
Asset Type Equity
P/E 52 Wk. High 52 Wk. Low
Quote Type Real-Time Exchange OTC


Yep, that has happened several times over the past month. The speculation is that the MM's are just bumping the price up for a split second to activate all Stop orders within that range and then they can turn around and buy them at market price. Just speculation though.


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Not just a typo on somebody's part, huh?

0.004 by mistake instead of 0.0004

once it's submitted somebody's account sure gets dinged


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quote:
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Not just a typo on somebody's part, huh?

0.004 by mistake instead of 0.0004

once it's submitted somebody's account sure gets dinged



It could be a typo. Remember, we're just speculating.


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Several 100 quantities going thru Level II
« Thread started on: Today at 1:31pm »

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There have been several 100 quantities in the past few minutes...take a look....some are at .0003 so they are not fake ones by people like us.... maybe they are starting to throw out warnings...


Time (EST) Volume Price Exchange Bought/Sold Tran/Type Legend
13:39:33 500000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:33 1000000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:30 2000000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:24 500000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:21 963009 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:15 100 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:15 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:06 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:06 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:03 994900 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:03 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:38:45 500000 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:38:27 7000000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:27 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:24 100 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:18 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:03 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:03 999898 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:36:57 999899 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:36:51 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:36:51 100 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:33 101 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:33 999899 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:27 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:09 995000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:09 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:03 100 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:03 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:03 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB

Also one from earlier...
13:14:48 100 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB


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Just a thought while we wait...
« Thread started on: Today at 3:23pm »

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Just a thought while we wait. We have some hard evidence that can help us understand some of the possibilities and impossibilities with CMKX and it shares.

Many have been thinking that our high daily volume is due to the insiders selling off their shares and that this is crippling the PPS. If any selling is taking place by the insiders anywhere it is more than likely naked short shares that are beeing traded because the PR of Feb 2003 tells us that all insider shares are restricted shares with a 2 year restriction placed upon them.

The restrictions on those shares will not expire, if my calculations are correct based upon the reorganization of CMKI, until Jan 2005. This could also be why Urban’s 40 billion he kicked in were restricted and remained restricted as they were given to Nevada Minerals.

Usually a company follows a policy of issuing shares to insiders and once that policy is set it rarely changes. I mention this becaue it seems that Urbans way of doing business early on with shares also carried with it a restriction on those shares and it seems to be a 2 year restriction and not a 1 year. This could very well mean that none of those shares entering the market place are from our legitimate insiders O/S as restrictions would still be in place on these, but rather are illegal naked short shares flooding the market place.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Feb_24/ai_98002954

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 24, 2003
…Shares: all insiders have restricted stock. Shares for the Canadian Claims are restricted. Shares for the Survey and Drilling Fund are restricted. All share positions were disclosed on the 14c filed recently, and prior to that the audited financial statements. Al restricted shares are for 2 years pursuant to Rule 144.

I found this very interesting that in Feb 24, 2003 we have a PR from CMKX stating that:
1. ALL INSIDERS HAVE RESTRICTED STOCK.
2. Shares for all Canadian Claims are restricted shares
3. Shares for the drilling and Survey fund are restricted
4. All restricted shares are for 2 years – Meaning there was a 2 year restriction placed on
all restricted shares.


Also many have wondered why we think that CMKX has a naked short problem. Here are two PR’s released nearly18 months ago indicating that they had a naked short position way back then on the stock. One of them calls it a “professional trading positions” to be eradicated and the other one calls it an “aggressive shorting of the stock”. These are two very clear indicators on how long this shorting has been going on and I would say the NSS position is quite high, possibly a trillion or more due to the high volume even with the dividends coming. Compared to the volume percentages of other companies CMKX has a very high NSS position more than likely 2 to 3 times our entire O/S.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Feb_7/ai_97318609

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 6, 2003
The Company believes that its current stock price reflects aggressive shorting of its stock. The Company will be able to fund its drilling program from its current shareholder base.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Feb_24/ai_98002954

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 24, 2003
…There is no guarantee, however, that this proposed transaction will be consummated, although it is anticipated and welcomed by the Board to identify actual shareholders of the corporation and also to eradicate any professional trading positions that may exist at this time in the Company's stock.
…Shares: all insiders have restricted stock. Shares for the Canadian Claims are restricted. Shares for the Survey and Drilling Fund are restricted. All share positions were disclosed on the 14c filed recently, and prior to that the audited financial statements. Al restricted shares are for 2 years pursuant to Rule 144.

Just something else to weigh into your thinking of CMKX and maybe help discredit some of the bashers accusations against our leader and team members in the company. We have good things in store for us and we can only see a piece of this pie right now. I believe Urban and D. Roger Glenn are closing in on the big picture and we will have a clearer understanding in the very near future. Once the NSS position is out of the way there is clear sailing as far as I can see.

Our Saskatchewan adventure group comprised of Urban, Roger, and all of our JV partners I believe will yield some of the true value of CMKX and give birth to future expectations and events that will continue to unfold over the next few years. I believe everything is going according to plan and these oreos that are being targeted for CMKX are measuring a diametrical size and estimated volume that are humongous compared to some of the other pipes in the area.

We have a great infratructure in the area and the est revenue generated by one oreo with a diameter of 2 miles as we have seen can be in excess of $400 to $600 billion dollars gross. The est cost for removing the minerals is $10.50 per ton, but this is without any kind of infrastructure calculated in. We know we have a very good infrastructure in place around some of these cookies, such as the one we are working on this week so the cost per ton would be reduced by at least 25% in my estimations. The est cost of recovering these minerals would be $10.5 billion per 1 billion tons of kimberlite. And if you calculate a 25% reduction for infrastructure in place then the cost would drop to $7.875 billion per 1 billion tons of kimberlite.

We could be looking at 16 billion tons of kimberlite in an Oreo Pipe with a 2 mile diameter and the cost could be calculated as being
$168 billion dollars = $10.5 per ton X 16 billion tons
$126 billion dollars = $7.875 (with infrastructure in place) per ton X 16 billion tons

$22.625 billion dollars est revenue for ½ carat per ton of kimberlite recovered per each 1 billion tons of kimberlite recovered with an average carat price being $100 where the higher quality diamonds are est to be near $200 per carat or more. The size of the diamonds also moves the value of each up exponentially and usually the value increases 4 times per carat size.
This means a 1 carat diamond in the rough could be worth $100 - $200
But a 2 carat diamond in the rough could be worth upwards of $400 - $800
And a 3 carat diamond in the rough could be worth upwards of $1600 - $3200.
Etc… This is very much within the bounds of expectation for the Fort a la Corne area.
So the values could become multiplied many times over depending on the size of the
diamonds.

We are talking 16 billion tons of kimberlite in an Oreo of this size so we have to multiply the est 1 billion tons value of $22.625 billion dollars by 16.
$22.625 X 16 = $362 billion dollars (Plus any multiples because of diamond sizes)
subtract the recovery cost based on the $10.50 per ton removal and we see
$362 billion - $168 billion = $194 billion profit after costs.
This is not counting any other minerals in the pipe that can be processed and income generated on them are just an additional bonus to the profit after costs.

If we see this minimum calculation of $194 billion profit potential from 1 OREO pipe and our oreo pipes have been estimated at 100 with hundreds of other anomalies capable of producing fractionally below this Oreo then we are in great shape.

$194 billion X 10 Oreos = $1.94 Trillion dollars profit after cost

If we use the 25% infrastructure cost reduction percenatge we get:
$362 billion dollars - $126 billion dollars = $236 billion dollars and 10 Oreo pipes would bring $2.36 Trillion dollars.

Take the Net profit from 1 Oreo pipe of $194 billion dollars and break that down by a 500 billion possible O/S or A/S and you get a potential 38.8 cent cash dividend per share with hundreds more witing in the wings plus other minerals that we know are present and capable of generating additional income into any potential cash dividend that may be coming from these Oreo’s. Plus this will add true value to the company and the shares and our PPS would go out of sight in my opinion.

This isn’t hype or a nonsensical guess at what could be for us some where in the sweet bye and bye. Our boys are standing on the site and the drill rig is throwing out some RPM’s and should be boring away as I write this. I eagerly wait and aniticpate a successful core sample as we are all aware of the TDEM capabilities and I believe Roger, Urban and the team are very confident and expectations are high. News should come soon in my calculations.

These are just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.

Success is ours.

Dr.D


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Melvin's on Paltalk right now spinning his usual bunch of nothing if anyone's interested.
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Can anyone transcribe what he's saying? Thanks in advnace if so...

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? Are you currently drilling on the new site.

A. Next couple of days.

? Will CMKX join NASCAR?

A. No idea.

? What's coming out of the meeting.

A. No idea.

? Whats the meeting acout, mm's, drilling, etc.

A. I havent seen the agenda.

? Will you be at the Vegas party

A. Don't know

? Why did we buy a part of GEMM?

A. I cant answer that.

Post more as they come up.


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?. How is Urban?

A. Back to his cheerful lovable self.

?. When will we know the UCAD distribution

A. No comment

? When will we get the remaining Carolyn Pipe sample info?

A. I'm calling them this afternoon.

?. Where will this co. be one year from now.

A. I can't do that. I hope we're leaps & bounds ahead of right now.


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?. Are George Walker of Shore Gold & Rick Walker related.

A. No idea

? Do we have other drilling targets.

A. 109 of them

? Are we drilling for things other than diamonds.

A. Whatever comes out of the ground.


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? Do we have permits for surfacing mining?

A. Yes

? Can the Goldak survey identify diamonds.

A. No, you have to drill to find them.

? What companys will be represented at the meeting.

A. I dont know

? Are the other minerals found in the kimberlite pipes.

A. No, they're found elsewhere.

? Our drilling rights expire in two years, do we have to bid on them again or are they automatically extended

A. As long as you work the land, you pay a small fee and they're extended another 2 years.

? Are you finding any other stones like ruby's?

A. no. we're looking for diamonds.


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howdy folks...i've been wondering all day what this party in vegas is for. am i correct in remembering the date as the end of aug.?. the post from another board adding common sence to sterlings whatever he posted was says as many have excepted the o/s is 483 billion and the plus is not the worst case split it is the split. i do believe that at one time not long ago there were huge amounts of naked shorts but something tells me that was covered or almost all was covered in that .001 run. i dont see cmkx giving out any new pr stating the o/s. they are probably trying to save face after melvin went nuts about the o/s not being 400 billion. maybe something good is coming between now and then that would deserve a party. i hope so. i think some secrecy is important not because of mm's and naked shorts but because of debeers and the power they hold over the diamond market. the o/s is out now so why not give us the break down. whats the insiders % and what is the float. unless they dont hold 51% it wouldn't hurt or change anything now. and nevada corp laws do have a loophole allowing major moves without a vote. it would seem that now is the time to come clean with the shareholders. most of us wouldn't sell no matter what now anyway
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? Can the airborne survey really see 17 kilometers into the earth?

A. Yeppers.

? Will be open pit mining anytime soon

A. No

? Can we work all of our claims in 2 years.

A. No, it's impossible but we're going to give it a shot.

? When will you be able to put a value on CMKX.

A. Not until we're open pit mining.

He's done now, so am I!


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He's closing it now with a song, You Can't Hurry Love" by the Pointer Sisters.
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