Fact, we have diamonds (just how much we will know for sure, soon).

Fact, we are going to be drilling soon (The permits are completed).

Fact, we have the finest legal representation available (this Glenn guy is for real).

Fact, Our outstanding share total is unknown..and this is important (we will get info on that soon, that's for sure).

Fact, this stock is way undervalued, even at the current guesses of 483 billion shares out.

Fact, The powers that be are proven deal makers, proven caring people and proven intelligent decision makers (check out the PRs from above posts).

Fact, Three dividends are committed to this stock (the values and amounts are still questioned).

Fact, This is a long term stock, not a get rich quick stock (although some will make good money and run) God bless them but we will see them later.

Fact, There are some unknowns that the powers that be are keeping tight to the chest(the poker hand should not be shown until we're called).

There are many facts that make this the buy of a lifetime IMO. I'm holding long and strong. I will try to be strong. I honestly believe this is going to be fun. Hell, it's already been a wild ride.

HOLD..ON...

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08 Aug 2004, 11:14 AM EDT
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*CMKX-500 Billion OS Revision Solution*

(An old post for some more thoughts to ponder.) http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=7834
By: stervc
27 May 2004, 09:22 AM EDT Msg. 7834 of 60925
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*CMKX-500 Billion OS Revision Solution*

Everyone, my apologies for giving you a rush job that was fairly close to how a worse case scenario should be considered. From going back and doing some review, I felt some corrections and revisions were in order.

There were some changes that I believe made stronger upcoming thoughts. There were also some typos and a slight increase to the original Outstanding Shares (OS) number to reflect a more accurate worse case scenario. If this is going to really be a worse case scenario, we should presume that the OS is the max which would be 500 billion.

** It was discovered not long ago that Urban raised the AS to 500,000,000,000 to use as an insurance police against any takeover efforts. This would mean that he felt that someone might be trying to take over CMKX as a business entity and could have bought the required 51% of CMKX shares to use as controlling and voting rights for CMKX.

** This would mean that the increase of the OS to 500 billion was to make sure they capture the needed 251 billion of the OS to have as the company’s restricted shares and 249 billion to have available for the float and other uses. This was to create their own insurance policy to prevent any takeover attempts.

** I do believe that the 249 billion shares are shares that were being bought and retired to decrease the OS and the float, but I will still presume the OS to be 500 billion shares.

** Having such a large OS is not an issue because of the value that resides within CMKX. An OS of this magnitude is required to make sure there is enough liquidity for trading purposes.

** Another key thought is to understand that it’s all about “Supply versus Demand” when your shares are trading in the market. Once the float is gone, it’s gone. It doesn’t matter whether or not your OS is 5 million shares or 5 trillion shares. When the float is gone, it’s gone. The revealed value will cause the float to be dried up very quickly once officially released if there is not a short position.

** I do believe that there is a short at/or near the amount of 1 trillion shares. I also believe that Urban helped to create that short to control the significant increases in future share prices in CMKX. Below is a link to the best post I’ve ever seen about CMKX and its naked short position written by an individual named PennyWrangler that is a must see for all to read! http://cmkmdiamonds.********s27.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&num=1085572932

The beauty of this post is that if there really isn’t a short, then the below example should apply as a minimum which was derived from determining the use of a fairly selected Intrinsic Value of $850 billion from the use of residual valuation pricing techniques.

Let’s consider some logical deduction. If that little piece of 58,000 acres of DeBeers could be valued at $40 to $80 billion, surely our now nearly 3 million acres of land that surrounds those 58,000 acres of land of DeBeers could be worth much more. (OK, maybe I know this, but let’s act like I don’t.) Let’s even forget that we “probably” own two thirds of that piece of land too. Keep the theories in the link below in your thoughts too: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=6425

What if $40 to $80 billion is the price valuation ratio for every piece of the 58,000 acres of land? This would equate to our pieces of land in the FALC region to be:

3,000,000 ÷ 58,000 = 51.7 groupings of 58,000 acres

Some groupings could be easily valued in the area of $80 billion while some $40 billion for the low side. From my thoughts on what I am expecting to be released from the “rumored” aerial survey results, those groupings could very easily be averaged to reflect value from $40 to $80 billion as what Dr. Hutchison talked about in the interview link below. I think things worked out very well.

Because of such, I think that it will be safe to use $40 billion as a figure for value to include capturing of the now known abundance of copper, gold, zinc, titanium, platinum, and of course plenty of kimberlite and diamonds to say the least that is owned by CMKX.

This would reflect such below as the value of CMKX from most of its resource:

$40,000,000,000 x 51.7 groupings of 58,000 acres = $2,068,000,000,000

Hopefully you can now see how with even using an intrinsic value of $850 billion is very conservative when providing logical deduction as to how CMKX could very well be worth over $2 trillion with its resources.

Since we don’t really know if the $850 billion we are using as the Intrinsic Value is based on an annual, quarterly, or exponential value, we will not need to multiply by a PE Ratio because the growth rate is not known for the residual valuation pricing techniques just used.

Intrinsic Value ÷ OS = Price that CMKX is worth
$850,000,000,000 ÷ 500,000,000,000 = $1.70

Keep in mind that 51% of the OS, 251,000,000,000 shares, will be restricted and owned by insiders. This means that the share structure would look as followed:

500,000,000,000 = OS
251,000,000,000 = Restricted Shares
249,000,000,000 = Float

In my opinion, the OS is not going to matter in the big scheme of things for the plan that will be presented. Whatever the amount that’s needed is required to allow for the movement of key deals to be transacted while implementing safety measures at the same time. This is to not impede the Tender Offer to be issued to us for going private while forcing a fair option for covering by the Market Makers (MMs). This is why we do not need a reverse split too.

Expect to see the PRs to justify value and growth of the company and everything else will run its course to justify the numbers I used above. I hope now you can see why in the link below that $1.00 is a good minimum share price to offer to buyout us shareholders for Urban and CMKX to go private. http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=6425

From the logic above, CMKX could easily be worth $1.70 or more per share. This would no doubt force a naked short covering out of this world. The good thing about this, even if you don’t believe that there is a short, then what was posted above would transpire still as a minimum as we begin to have substance revealed to us from the company.

Urban has a great many friends and family members invested into CMKX at much higher prices than where CMKX is currently trading. Just breaking even is not the goal. Urban is a people person and has a wonderful attitude, understanding, and concern for all shareholders to include us little guys here in RB land which is why he is making sure we get the word first! I trust Urban and his team of experts and so should we all!

All of my thoughts to include those in this post concerning CMKX have been nothing more than “theories” until converted into “facts” by Urban and CMKX. It is still my belief that CMKX will help many to achieve prosperity!

All is Well!

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Sterling
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"What could one oreo pipe mean to us?").

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I’m not sure about who threw this size for our oreo cookie into being, but from the calculations I have heard they are pretty close. Approx 2 miles X 1.75 miles in diameter for our target pipe we are moving to. Just to bring things into a little light I can throw a little statistical information in here to hopefully brighten up your day. For calculations sake I figured the data on a 2 mile diameter instead of on the medium of 1.875.

In the Saskatchewan pipes, single bodies of kimberlite have been found to exceed 1/2 mile in diameter. A 1/2 mile in diameter pipe will contain an estimated 1 billion tons of kimberlite. Thats right 1 billion tons for a 1/2 mile diameter pipe. Plus if the diamonds are found in quantities of only 0.5 carat/ton of kimberlite, this would amount to a total reserve of 100 tons of diamond! Please note that I said only ½ carat per ton of kimberlite. Any single diamond could far exceed that per ton. But for the sake of being conservative and not being seen as being over zealous in our statistics we will go with only ½ carat per ton.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do some of these calculations, but I think they are fun and add more solidity to my position in CMKX daily. The reports are that some of these oreo cookies of ours are say 2 miles in diameter then obviously we are looking at 4 times that amount of the statistics found for the ½ mile diameter pipe.

If ½ mile diameter pipe had 1 billion tons of kimberlite and 100 tons of diamonds then we can reasonably calculate from there.

This would mean a 2 mile diameter pipe would reasonably have 4 billion tons of kimberlite with potentially 400 tons of diamonds with each ruff carat worth in the neighborhood of $100 per ct. (The $100 per carat will differ depending on the size and luster, so $100 was a medium)

A carat is the unit of weight for diamonds and other gems. The metric carat of .200 grams, or 200 milligrams was adopted in the United States in 1913 and now standardized in the principle countries of the world.

This means it takes 5 carats to make a gram.

And there are 1,000,000 grams in a Metric Ton (2,204 pounds) or

5 million carats in 2,204 pounds.

2000 pounds = 1 ton

400 ton = 800,000 pounds

800,000 pounds divided by 2,204 pounds (1 metric ton) = 362.9764 metric tons

362.9764 metric tons X 5 million carats = 1,814,882,000 carats

1,814,882,000 carats X $100 = $181,488,200,000 dollars

181.488 billion dollars

This will give a little idea of some of the incredible intrinsic value and potentially PPS shattering ability that just ONE of these potential HUNDREDS of targets can have.

This is nice solid value that can put CMKX over the top and I hope our team in Saskatchewan brings this baby in soon. Over the top to me means we could begin legitimately seeing a dollar range per share with an oreo like this even if we had a 500 billion O/S.

This is just my opinion and I ask that you treat it as such.

Dr.D
 

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CMKX's MONSTER KIMBERLITE PIPES (& $1+/share)

By: brown1972
07 Aug 2004, 08:43 PM EDT
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How big could the new drill site eventually be

I copied this info. from a website that detailed the specifics of the Argyle mine in Australia which is currently the world's largest. Pay close attention to the numbers and specifics:

Every year the Argyle diamond mine is responsible for producing more than a third of the world's total annual supply of diamonds. The average annual production now totals over 35 million carats.

The Argyle diamond mine yields approximately 45 per cent near gem quality, and 50 per cent industrial quality diamonds. The remaining 5 per cent is made up of gem quality diamonds and yields the rare and highly valued pink diamonds, as well as the range of sparkling champagne and rich cognac diamonds.

Argyle Diamond Mining
The Argyle diamond mine covers an area of 45 hectares. The diamonds are recovered from the main pipe as well as from, to a lesser extent, alluvial deposits in nearby Smoke and Limestone Creeks.

Now let's break it down:

1) This mine only produces 5% true gem quality stones, while 45% are near gem quality. Melvin has stated on Paltalk that 80% of the stones in FALC are gem quallity!! Big difference between hemispheres folks and huge difference in profit potential!!

2) Look at the size of the world's largest mine which produces more than a third of the world's diamonds - only 45 hectares. Based on Melvin's statements the last few days on Paltalk he has given the next kimberlite site a size of 1.75 miles by 2.0 miles. This size someone equated to 942 hectares!!!! Once again, it pays to be investing in diamonds in the northern hemisphere. And let us not forget just for fun that our good neighbor with the $40-$80 BILLION dollar land has something like 240 hectares of kimberlite for their site.

Was it Ballingus who was posting earlier today looking for a pick-me-up?? You just got it!!

GLTA

Brown1972
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By: houstontex1110
07 Aug 2004, 10:17 PM EDT
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brown1972

After connecting your post to Dr. Diamonds post (at http://cmkx.********s35.com/index.cgi?board=greatposts&action=display&num=1091913143 ), Ballingus will have to be restrained due to his excitement. Your post focuses upon the % of gem quality and Dr. Diamonds concentrates on the total annual production and value of our giant kimberlite. However, he employed $100 per carat valuation and your post would appear to justify a higher per carat value.

All we need is for the oreo to be economic. and the stock price will be in the teens if not over a buck.

At one time, I never foresaw the pps being over .10, but as I have read thousands of posts, my viewpoint had no where to go but towards an ever increasing valuation.

Until the negative posters realize that CMKM has locked down the richest mineral area in the world, and perhaps in history, their pps estimate will lag behind the reality.

Your post perfectly demonstrates the sheer superiority of our oreo site in terms of size in comparison to the Argyle site. Man, I need restraining!
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By: Zanz
07 Aug 2004, 09:17 PM EDT
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We could potentially have a few more of these monster pipes.

From what Melvin was saying the size of the new drill site is absolutely huge. I will believe it when it is documented but it is possible. The FALC area has been well protected from erosion over the years and are well preserved. It is definately possible. That we would hit a few more of these could be in the cards also.

The FALC area is virtually a kimberlite forest. You have to be able to see the forest through the kimberlite, er, um, trees I mean .

Seriously though, at present we are only a diamond exploration company. We are exploring in the largest concentration of kimberlite known on earth. The potential for high percentage of high quality diamonds is there. There will be mines in the FALC area and they will be large. IMO several of them will be Casavant and partner mines. Not bad for a company selling at these prices.

Ever wish you were in the right place at the right time? Well I'm not really a pumper but I believe that place and time is now. I really don't care how long this takes. Mining takes time. I'm just d**n glad I'm here now!!

Z
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Read SEC rule 10b-17

This rule applies to pinks as well...

They have 10 calendar days to disclose the OS to NASD...according to this rule.

This is a rule according to the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any information that they submit would by law have to be correct. We will know next week what the factual OS is one way or the other. Here is a better link to the information. http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/34ActRls/rule10b-17.html

Although, it is arguable that we already have the os....
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=CMKX&dDate=08/20/2004&sDateType=Record_date
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/company_profile.jsp?symbol=CMKX

+.0000155 of a restricted share of US Canadian Minerals Inc (OTCBB: UCAD) for each share held.

This would seem to equate to 483,870,967,742 shares of CMKX

We don't have the break down of the shares yet though. As well as, what Urban has in store for what is out there. We don’t know many shares Urban personally owns. How many shares the company owns. How many retired shares. Or, how many “share croppers” exist in Antarctica (Although, I believe there are relatively few of these).

To this point I don’t have anything that would make me panic on this stock. Short of somebody setting my hair on fire. Aaaahhhh...... Don’t ask.

Basically…. Hold tight and keep the faith. And remember to properly hydrate yourself and give mom a call.

 

HOLD>>HOLD>>HOLD
 

And remember, much of that stuff, or whatever you want to call it, is not FACT!

Also remember, there are many, many and more opposing FACTS that are conveniently being ignored.

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U. S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549

FORM 8-K

CURRENT REPORT

Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the
Securities Exchange Act of 1934

Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): January 5, 2003

U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc.

(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)

Nevada 0-25523 33-0843633
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(State or other jurisdiction (Commission File No.) (I.R.S.
of incorporation) Identification No.)

3960 Howard Hughes Pkwy. 5th Floor, Las Vegas, NV 89109

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(Address of principal executive offices) (Zip Code)

Registrant's Phone: (702) 990-3623 Fax: (702) 990-3624

Barrington Food International, Inc.
5275 Arville Street, Ste. 120, Las Vegas, NV 89109

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(Former name or former address, if changed, since last
report)

ITEM 5. OTHER EVENTS AND REGULATION FD DISCLOSURE.

On January 2, 2004, the name of the corporation was changed to U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. On January 5, 2004, Michael Kaufman resigned as director and President of the corporation and was replaced by Rendal Williams pending a new election.

The corporations new address is 3960 Howard Hughes Parkway, 5th Floor Las Vegas, NV 89109.

Please keep Christian references, Christian sites and the like off Allstocks. There are other people on this and other threads who believe otherwise. Such as Jews, Muslims, Buddists, etc. and even agnostics and atheists. I suggest that religion should have no place on Allstocks for the fact that related references may be considered offensive.

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I don't know how these things work, but is it possible that Michael Kaufman/Barrington foods simply gave up and sold the company as a shell to Rendal Williams/UCAD. Would something like this have to be announced? The last few reports from Barrington foods indicate that they were slowly dying a death. It may have been an easy way for UCAD to become publicly traded? Any thoughts or maybe my understanding is blinkered?
 

(QUOTE)
THE JOINT VENTURE WITH NEVADA MINERALS, INC./SASKATCHEWAN PROPERTY

On January 20, 2004, the Company entered into a formal joint venture agreement with Nevada Minerals, Inc. to develop up to 500,000 acres of potential Kimberlite Mineral property located on the east and northwest sides of fort a la Corne, Prince Albert, Province of Saskatchewan, Canada. Kimberlite and Kimberlite pipes are the raw materials from which diamonds may be extracted. The joint venture operates under the name "NevCan." The joint venture has a term that expires on January 20, 2005. By the terms of the joint venture contract, the Company has the rights to twenty percent of the revenues from mining operations at the site. As consideration for entering into the joint venture, the Company paid to Nevada Minerals, Inc. five million shares of restricted common stock. For its part, Nevada Minerals, Inc. tendered its rights to develop the 500,000 acres at the fort a la Corne, Prince Albert site. No on site mining development of this property presently exists and no preliminary testing has occurred. All prospective mining operations on this land are contingent on a number of preliminary tests being successfully completed, as discussed above.

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it looks like UCAD gets 20% of the revenues from mining operations...only there is no mining operations and there is no revenue.... and the 10Q says that--"The joint venture has a term that expires on Jan 20, 2005." which means they have one year to find the minerals, mine them and sell them ------all for five million shares of restricted stock in UCAD...HHHMMMM

i could be wrong, but this is LITERALLY what the 10Q says, i am not guessing or making it up i am just reading it straight off the SEC filings........
 

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Also you have invested in pennystocks before. Do you find it unusual if a company takes over a shell? Isn't that what is going on with Barrington Foods and UCAD?

IMO-Debi
 

The firm’s website is at http://www.EdwardsAngell.com.

http://capitalmarkets.rrdonnelley.com/download/refpubs/Corporate_Responsibilities/38331.htm

Introduction
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The Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002
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Other Protections
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Listing Requirements
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New York Stock Exchange
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Nasdaq
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Conducting Board Meetings
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Disclosing Non-Public Information
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The Pre-Regulation FD Framework
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Regulation FD Framework
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The Consequences of Violating Regulation FD
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Periodic Reporting
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Annual Report on Form 10-K
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Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q
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Certification of Annual and Quarterly Reports
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Current Report on Form 8-K
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Section 13 of the Exchange Act
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I don't know what your motives are but you are not adding any valuable DD at this point. If you haven't noticed, this is the CMKX thread. If you have something to add on UCAD, create a new thread and have a ball!
 

Melvin used to be just a shareholder. I don't know the official date he got hired by CMKX as Investor Relations but I thought I would check back on some of his posts before he worked for the company. I found this one and thought it was interesting. As a shareholder who lived in the area he was familiar with mining and the amount of activity in the area.

my thoughts for the day
hello to all you fine people on this board some of you may know me, some of you may not. So let me tell you who i am. I'm a shareholder in this company like the rest of you. the only difference is i only live 30 miles from falc. I have lived here in saskatchewan canada all my life.
I go up to falc alot and like i have said before on here, i see what is going on up there. and belive me when i say there is ALOT going on and there's going to be a hell of ALOT more going on now that cmkm is coming on board.
The way i see it is. Debbers/ kinsignton would not be up there for the last 15 years and spending millions of bucks if they did not see the HUGE potential up here.
I could sit here and flap my lips all day to you people
but all it take is a call to me and i would love to chat with you as many of you have already done. I'm NO GURU
on the subject of stocks, but i do know about diamonds and drilling. i have done my homework as you people have done.
BOTTOM LINE= have faith in this company and we will be
rewarded )))))
oem
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi
 

The stops will all be taken off as the MM’s try to control and shut the PPS down, the bashers and bangers will be out in force as they already are, and the MM’s will try and make very little out of PR's like they did all of the others that came along, but one thing they can’t do is stop the 20 Aug 2004 date.

All experienced or strong longs in CMKX need to watch out for questions from newbies and be ready to help them stay strong. Usually if they are crying out for help it is because they need help and we need to be there for them. We all were newbies at one time or another and if they shake they may fall. That would neither be good for them or us. We are a team and we need to stick together especially in the times that are ahead. Now more than ever in CMKX we need to become our brothers keeper.

It has been a team effort this far, by Urban's own words, and will continue to be a team effort with all of us investors doing what it is we need to do to see this thing through successfully!

Mainly, HOLD AS LONG AS YOU CAN!

Our shares out of the market for now, is a big help for the PPS and Urban's plan to seal the fate of the MM's that are still playing games with CMKX investors!

We need to SALUTE all of our team members for CMKX and thank each and every one of them for a job thus far well done!

We have won the first leg of this campaign, we have fought a good fight, but keep the faith. Stand strong knowing that Urban and others are standing strong with you!

As team members we need to be there for Urban when he needs us, and if right now he needed us to do anything different than what we are doing, I believe he would have said so! Since he is pleased and thanking us for what we have done, then our holding our shares, believing in his plan, and keeping the faith is what we need to continue doing!

Our DD is helping solidify this company in the eyes of the investors and Urban knows there is nothing to hide only things that need to be revealed! In the unveiling of these forth coming things we will see the whole picture clearer than we ever have before!

Urban needs our support and I am sure it gives him a greater courage and confidence knowing that we are behind him. So I ask you to join me in reassuring Urban and D. Roger Glenn that we are with them and they can count on our support! We are not moving, selling, running, complaining, or jumping ship! We will stand strong and hold the line, not just for ourselves but for the well being of all investors, including Urban and family, D. Roger Glenn, and Melvin!

We have the victory, and it is at hand. Our main enemy at this point is our own fear. So don't be dismayed and don't give into the opinions that breed fear. You are already over the top and don't let anything persuade you otherwise!

I personally want to extend my thanks and gratitude for all of you that have joined forces in this winning campaign. You have provided DD, you have encouraged others, you have helped those that needed help, you have kept the faith, and therefore you have been a contributor to the team and to the victory!

Just as a reminder here is Urban’s Plan from Dec 2002.

THE PLAN:
“We plan on mining diamonds from our own deposits and buying conflict free diamonds at wholesale. We will merchandise these diamonds under the "Casavant" brand name. Both retailers and consumers can place their trust that a "Casavant" diamond is conflict free; mined in an ethical and environmentally friendly manner; and represent the highest in quality and value. We plan on becoming involved in the entire sales chain in diamond merchandising with the view of becoming the largest wholesaler of Canadian diamonds not just a mining company. This provides our shareholders with a more balanced investment opportunity and gives us income stream while we are developing our Saskatchewan diamondiferous kimberlite claims." – Chairman Urban Casavant http://www.findarticles.com/cf_sccfrm/m0EIN/2002_Dec_9/95086487/p1/article.jhtml

Urban’s plan is based upon and believed to be attainable because of his knowledge of the Intrinsic Value that CMKX claims have. A reminder from a past post of mine defines Intrinsic Value. Intrinsic means of or pertaining to the essential nature of a thing! To break this down I have always looked at intrinsic as that which essentially makes up or collectively forms the true essence of a thing! Just as there are certain scientific properties inherent in gold that when collectively put together causes gold to exist! Without any of those properties gold would no longer be gold! The rarity of these properties collecting together to form gold causes the inherent (intrinsic) value of gold to be more precious and thus more valuable!

All of that to say, there are only certain land masses on the face of this earth that contain the properties necessary to contain kimberlite! We all understand that the vast amount of lands available on the earth today, few land masses contain areas of kimberlite! Agreed? Okay! This causes all lands that have kimberlite to have an inherent intrinsic value over any of the other lands not containing kimberlite!

Now, within those few particular land masses that have the rare properties that have manifested kimberlite within its boundaries, are even a rarer form of land mass among the kimberlite masses, and those are the ones KNOWN to be diamondiferous! Whatever intrinsic value one might place upon land as a whole, one would have to increase that value based upon the minerals that are intrinsically inherent in the land! The rarity of the minerals should dictate a higher intrinsic value by the nature of the scarcity of the mineral and its overall availability! As rare as kimberlite is on the planet even rarer are the diamondiferous land masses within the rare kimberlite field of land masses!

In Africa and some of the other places kimberlite is found, the actual percentage of kimberlite pipes that are diamondiferous are a very small percentage, I forget so let’s say 10%. The kimberlite lands in Africa would be more valuable than most any other land in Africa because of its intrinsic properties of possessing kimberlite! Why? Because of the potential they possess of being diamondiferous! Not because they are diamondiferous, but because they possess the properties that none of the other lands have! By their inherent properties they possess the POTENTIAL to have diamonds where the others lands without kimberlite, do not! The lands in any area KNOWN to be kimberlitic and diamondiferous would hold even a higher intrinsic value because of their potential of being diamondiferous.

In Saskatchewan we have a multiplied intrinsic value because we can calculate the rarity of the POTENTIAL for having kimberlite, plus the added bonus of KNOWING there is kimberlite throughout the region, plus knowing that 80% (yes 80 percent) of all kimberlite in the Saskatchewan Land Masses is diamondiferous ads an astronomical intrinsic value to the land! Add to that the confirmed Aerial Surveys showing hundreds if not a thousand magnetic anomalies all over the Saskatchewan land mass and confirmation that non-magnetic anomalies also contain as much potential as magnetic anomalies for having diamonds. Add to that the fact that 50% of that diamondiferous kimberlite holds diamonds of at least one millimeter in size. Add to that the fact that a high percentage of diamonds recovered are clear, inclusion-free and exhibit good crystal form.

All of this determines intrinsic value. Now you take that incredible rare and scarce land containing all of the above intrinsic properties, and realize that these are only known to be in one area on the face of the earth. Then you take the mineral rights to 1.9 million acres of that land and the intrinsic value increases because you have cornered 1.9 million acres of kimberlitic diamondiferous acreage in a region known to have kimberlite, and some of them big, (like DeBeers), knowing that 80% of your kimberlite is diamondiferous, and 50% of that diamondiferous kimberlite will have diamonds 1mm and larger! You have known kimberlite anomalies on at least 14 different targets and an untold or undiscovered number of non magnetic kimberlite with the same potential and some of these joining what some would consider “diamond mother loads”.

This is our CMKX! I didn’t try to price the acreage or give it an intrinsic numeric value, but I believe I don’t have too! Anyone with any insight can see the INTRINSIC VALUE of the CMKX mineral rights! Just one diamondiferous kimberlitic pipe can easily jump CMKX to a major board! Just one! Well, we have 1.9 million acres of mineral rights in the only place on the face of the earth where these diamondiferous percentages are known to exist!

Is the intrinsic value included in CMKX when we are at .0004 per share! Not a chance! As I posted before, this is what Urban is going after first, because if we never pull a diamond out of the ground it is irrelevant! The intrinsic value we have is rare to the world market as a whole and we need to see a little numeric appreciation of that fact added to our shares, with or without a known share structure, we have great value!

Add to this the upcoming dividends, options, joint venture partnerships, etc… and then we begin to get a glimpse of what is actually in play for us with CMKX.

This is all my opinion and I ask that you treat it as such.

Congratulations all!

I believe Success is ours.

Dr.D

 

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Glassman,

I don't know what your motives are but you are not adding any valuable DD at this point. If you haven't noticed, this is the CMKX thread. If you have something to add on UCAD, create a new thread and have a ball!

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CMKX sold 5% of YOUR (the shareholders) mineral rights to them for SHARES--and they sold an option to buy an extra 10% of CMKX's mineral rights for cash....
if the real value of CMKX is the mineral rights, i am pointing out to you that they are being sold out of the company to another company that you may or may not get(dividend) shares in.... that's not important???????????

this is a lot more vauable than copying some of the outrageous statements that i've been reading....
i didn't see anybody else posting this information anywhere.....

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
And here's noahltl trying to feel important again! NINE REDUNDANT POSTS!!! Guess he thinks he owns the thread by now.

And remember, much of that stuff, or whatever you want to call it, is not FACT!

Also remember, there are many, many and more opposing FACTS that are conveniently being ignored.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]

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Wallace, I am anything but important to this stock or this thread. I am a relative novice to trading, started about January. As I roam the boards, seeking to learn about this stock, I bring things that I find interesting or educational back to this board to help the newbies that might be looking for the same things that I am. Also many of the old pros don't have time to roam the boards and some appreciate the fact that I bring the latest thoughts or DD here.

The NINE REDUNDANT POSTS, were informative or interesting posts from the old thread that I brought here so that they wouldn't be lost as the old thread dies.

You say that there is much more opposing FACT that is true that is not being posted.

THEN WHY DON'T YOU POST IT HERE INSTEAD OF THIS INCESSANT BASHING OF INDIVIDUALS?

The reason is, because you don't have any hard facts against this stock. I challenge you to find even 1 negative post or DD for every ten positives that I find. Put up or shut up.

1. How many people would theoretically be able to buy shares in CMKX to hold a position if only you and I own the shares?

2. How many people would Urban be awarding dividends to if only the two of us owned all the shares outstanding of CMKX?

3. How many people would Urban be able to award dividends to if more liquidity was established so more people could purchase shares in CMKX?

4. How many people would have shares in CMKX "now: if we owned the 1 million shares available? Especially at these price levels?

These are only my opinions in theory as to providing some reasons as to why we should not worry about the OS as much as I have seen others doing.

Bottom line, the return on your investment (ROI) is the money placed into your account. If for a speculative example a cash dividend was placed in your account of a considerate amount, would you knowing or not knowing matter? No it would not. With the same example, would you worrying about the OS matter? No it would not.

So, is the OS important? No doubt, yes! But does knowing and worrying about the OS matter?" No it does not! Of course eventually it would be good to know so that we as investors would have a better vision concerning our CMKX investment for our long term ROI objectives, especially for becoming a publicly trading company. For the short term, don't stress yourself out. We are fine.

As for the other reason, if the speculated valuation I showed of 2 trillion+ gets revealed, then that alone makes a $4.00 per share stock even with an OS of 500 billion as a worse case scenario. For those who think that it's far fetched should probably go do some DD on the FALC region and South America pieces that we own for land and/or mineral rights. The pennies should be evident as a worse case scenario even if the valuation is deemed to be less than 2 trillion.

Again, I am only talking about a worse case scenario of thinking which is nothing new from something I have always done since 1999 when I first started investing.

All is well! http://www.sterlingsclass.com/
;-)
Sterling
 

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Originally posted by glassman:

CMKX sold 5% of YOUR (the shareholders) mineral rights to them for SHARES--and they sold an option to buy an extra 10% of CMKX's mineral rights for cash....
if the real value of CMKX is the mineral rights, i am pointing out to you that they are being sold out of the company to another company that you may or may not get(dividend) shares in.... that's not important???????????

this is a lot more vauable than copying some of the outrageous statements that i've been reading....
i didn't see anybody else posting this information anywhere.....

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Already like an idiot he leaked phoney info and caused a mess with the Mt. Saint Helens crap only to retract it 2 days later:

Melvin the shady pumper: http://yazzi.com/cmkx/melvin2.htm

Melvin gets a dose of reality when a partner fesses up with 2 specs of sand results: http://yazzi.com/cmkx/melvin5.htm

ON NO BASHER BASHER BASHER ALERT!!!!

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The opposing facts have been listed all along...and quite well. You big pumpers just will not acknowldge them. I, for one, am tired of listing them. When one of you pumpers do so you may list a very few but then go on and try to list more otherwise while ignoring the rest of the opposing information.

Now, just look what Money_Penny has done. Remember he's the buddy of "Women, sex and drugs". I purposely left out stock because it is obvious he knows nothing about stock.
Money_Penny has again attacked Glassman. Typical!
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James,

Just wait, don't be surprised if they call you a basher soon. This thread is thought to be owned by the CMKX CULT!

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]
 

Your motives Wallace, on the other hand, are clear. I'm just glad everyone is getting to know the real "Wall" Street "ace" "#1". You're just as much of a joke as your screen name!
 

Here's the link to check out DeBeers Fort a la corne operation. Hope we'll look like this soon.
 

Simple nobodies going to be millionares anytime soon except for the delusional nut sterling with his double short nonsense. You ever hear him talk its scarier then melvins picture above.

CORRECTION I mean not MILLIONARES. This doesn't mean we aren't going to see a rise... But don't see it hitting .001 like before thanks to melvins Mt. St. Helens bull**** as a lot of people got burned on the way down and are scared and have 0 credibility with investors now until the share structure is put out. Anyrate I'm in with 1,000 as play money.

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gmac
 

Go back on this page and read you post at 19:17. And you say you did not attack him?
Guess you just did not express yourself the way you really wanted to?

HORSEPUCKY!!!!
 

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Originally posted by JamesDBrewer:
If you want newbies to be strong and have faith then this lame company should start ACTING LIKE A REAL COMPANY. Announce the o/s instead of have the IR go an paltalk and dance and act like an idiot:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/scrapdogg/mevlin1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/scrapdogg/melvin2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/scrapdogg/melvin3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/scrapdogg/melvin4.jpg

Already like an idiot he leaked phoney info and caused a mess with the Mt. Saint Helens crap only to retract it 2 days later:

Melvin the shady pumper: http://yazzi.com/cmkx/melvin2.htm

Melvin gets a dose of reality when a partner fesses up with 2 specs of sand results: http://yazzi.com/cmkx/melvin5.htm

ON NO BASHER BASHER BASHER ALERT!!!!

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If you look at the PR dated 18 Jul 04, you will see that UCAD has a 1-year option to purchase a 10% stake in our mineral claims for $15M. Therefore, although we do not have a specific valuation on the claims yet in the form of a PR, using $150M ($15M/.10 = $150M) is as reasonable as any other estimate, particularly since it is empircally based on numbers within a PR. Obviously, the value of the claims may prove to be more in the future – MUCH more, in fact – but for now, this estimate is as logical any other posited.

Now, has anyone taken the time to find out what $150M is when divided by 400B shares? You guessed it – about .0004, the PPS where we are today. Therefore, could it be that this stock has a huge float and it takes monster volume to get it to move even one tick rather than some MM conspiracy? Why not? Speculation? Of course, but what theory isn’t? Need more? Keep reading:

Yesterday (19 Jul 04), a pro rata dividend was declared for the issuance of 40B shares of CIM to CMKX shareholders as of 31 Aug 04. The keys to this PR are NOT the value of such shares, but the fact that the dividend is pro rata and that this dividend date is after the UCAD dividend date. Let me explain:

The term "pro rata" by definition means that the numbers are proportionately divisible into exact amounts. In other words, CMKX's O/S is divisible BY or INTO 40B (the number of the CIM shares being issued as a dividend). Therefore, our O/S, for example, could be 4B (10:1 ratio of CIM:CMKX shares, where you would receive 10 CIM shares for every 1 share of CMKX you own), 10B (4:1 ratio), 20B (2:1 ratio), 40B (1:1 ratio), 80B (1:2 ratio), ... etc all the way up to 400B (1:10 ratio). Moreover, and contrary to what others have posted, a pro rata dividend can as easily be a fraction (eg, 1:10) as it can a multiple (10:1). As such, the O/S can as easily be 400B as it can 40B or 4B.

Now, given the other two pieces of circumstantial evidence above (the current PPS and confirmation of Joel’s claim regarding the number of shares issued), I believe the O/S is 400B. This would make a neat 1:10 pro rata ratio for the CIM dividend as well, where you are issued 1 share of CIM for every 10 shares of CMKX you own. Speculation? Absolutely, but here’s the final piece of the puzzle – the CIM dividend declaration date of 31 Aug 04.

See, my speculation is that once the O/S is released (which it must be on 20 Aug 04 in order for the UCAD dividend to be issued), people are going to s**t their pants because it is so much larger than everyone speculated. Well, how do you keep shareholders from running to the hills? You keep them aboard by guaranteeing them a reward for their loyalty - say, a dividend at a later date, like 31 Aug, for example. By doing so, you are providing investors incentive to not dump their millions and billions of shares on the market, which, of course, would deflate whatever gains had been achieved. But why would UC do this? Pessimistically, it could be to keep the PPS up. However, I think differently. I think he would do so because he knows we have bigger and better things to come, so while he cannot hide from the truth of the O/S being 400B, he can do whatever it takes to keep us together as a team through the announcement so that we can all benefit from the greater returns down the road.

Speculation? ALL OF IT. But for those who are ready to dismiss my premises, why are they any different from others’? They aren’t. It’s just that they aren’t “pie in the sky” predictions. That’s it. So before you write this post off as nonsense, read it and tell me I haven’t backed up my speculation with logic and numbers. You can’t.

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JamesDBrewer is going by the book! Everything he posts is true. He provides links to back up his claims. I would say in 10 minutes JamesDBrewer has become a better basher than you will ever be!
 

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gmac
 

Other than following JBCak's lead what have you posted of late or at all that is the least bit meaningful?

Come on CMKX CULT member, tell me.

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
MP

Other than following JBCak's lead what have you posted of late or at all that is the least bit meaningful?

Come on CMKX CULT member, tell me.

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Not bad but not great. If I bought 26 mill for 2600 dollars then I would double my money and have a 100% return simply through the dividend. Free shares.
 

More DAVID DESORMEAU DD
Name: CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING CORPORATION

Type: Corporation File Number: C1291-2003 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: January 21, 2003
Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: URBAN CASAVANT
Address: PO BOX 27740

LAS VEGAS NV 89109-
Secretary: CAROLYN CASAVANT
Address: PO BOX 27740

LAS VEGAS NV 89109-
Treasurer: EMMERSON KOCH
Address: PO BOX 27740

LAS VEGAS NV 89109-
__________________________________________________________

Name: CMKM DIAMONDS INC.

Type: Corporation File Number: C9852-2002 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: April 18, 2002
Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: LAW OFFICES OF THOMAS C. COOK, LTD. (Accepted)
Address: 4955 S. DURANGO
SUITE 214
LAS VEGAS NV 89113-
President: URBAN CASAVANT
Address: 1489 W WARM SPRINGS

HENDERSON NV 89014-
Secretary: CORY KLASSEN
Address: 1489 WARM SPRINGS

HENDERSON NV 89014-
Treasurer: CORY KLASSEN
Address: 1489 WARM SPRINGS

HENDERSON NV 89014-
___________________________________________________________

Name: CASAVANT GOLF COMPANY

Type: Corporation File Number: C184-2003 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: January 06, 2003
Status: Default Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: DAVID DESORMEAU (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89014-
President: URBAN CASAVANT
Address: 30 PRINCIVILLE CT

LAS VEGAS NV 89113-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
___________________________________________________________

Name: BUSINESS WORKS INC.

Type: Corporation File Number: C10432-2001 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: April 23, 2001
Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: DAVID DESORMEAU (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: ANDREA DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: ANDREA DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
___________________________________________________________

Name: CASAVANT RACING CORPORATION

Type: Corporation File Number: C6068-2004 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: March 10, 2004
Status: Initial list of officers filed Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
___________________________________________________________

Name: SILVER FOX CAPITAL INC.

Type: Corporation File Number: C3830-2004 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: February 17, 2004
Status: Initial list of officers filed Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
___________________________________________________________

Name: STONEHENGE INC

Type: Corporation File Number: C14427-2001 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: June 01, 2001
Status: Reinstated Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
President: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: JON THIRIOT
Address: PO BOX 30234

LAS VEGAS NV 89173-
___________________________________________________________

Name: INTERNATIONAL SUCCESS BUILDERS INC

Type: Corporation File Number: C8180-1997 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: April 16, 1997
Status: Revoked Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: DAVID J DESORMEAU (Accepted)
Address: 5430 REGAL PEAK DR

LAS VEGAS NV 89118-
President: DAVID J. DESORMEAU
Address: 5430 REGAL PEAK DR

LAS VEGAS NV 89118-
Secretary: ANDREA J. DESORMEAU
Address: 5430 REGAL PEAK DR

LAS VEGAS NV 89118-
Treasurer: NONE LISTED
Address: 5430 REGAL PEAK DR

LAS VEGAS NV 89118-
__________________________________________________________

Name: EYECANDY ENTERTAINMENT INC.

Type: Corporation File Number: C19808-1999 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: August 11, 1999
Status: Revoked Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: DAVID DESORMEAU (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89014-
President: JOHN D. GUZMAN
Address: 2519 PUTING GREEN DRIVE

HENDERSON NV 89014-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 3340 S TOPAZ #100

LAS VEGAS NV 89121-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 3340 S TOPAZ #100

LAS VEGAS NV 89121-
___________________________________________________________

Name: CASAVANT GOLF COMPANY

Type: Corporation File Number: C184-2003 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: January 06, 2003
Status: Default Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: DAVID DESORMEAU (Accepted)
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89014-
President: URBAN CASAVANT
Address: 30 PRINCIVILLE CT

LAS VEGAS NV 89113-
Secretary: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
Treasurer: DAVID DESORMEAU
Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT

HENDERSON NV 89074-
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
James has it pretty much right.....IMO
i would add that if you don't watch it closely the actual diamond bearing rock could LEGALLY end up in another comapny entirely......

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Originally posted by gmac78:
I don't ever post, just read! I do find it simply amazing that these guy's, bashers apparently, are put in force on a Sunday evening. We must be getting close. I'll just sit back and laugh at these idiots as usual!!!

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You may not post often gmac, but this one is
RIGHT ON !!!!!!!!!!!

1. A gold mine.
2. A diamond mine.
3. And as reported on another board an existing known uranium deposit in Canada.

You can't just go by the claims of CMKX, but must add in the value of claims of existing partners, whom we own shares.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
I don't get your point, Glassman. If UC had donated 5% of our mineral rights to the salvation army, would you then go and try to dig up some dirt on them??? The only interest people may have in UCAD at this point are the dividend shares. You are right, we may or may not get them with the NSS issue. However, the UCAD dividend has absolutely zero value for me at this stage, unless the o/s is ridiculously low and I can actually make some money. So what is your point bringing up UCAD's mineral rights deal with Nevada Minerals expiring in January 2005, or the fact that they used to be called Barrington Foods? What does that have to do with CMKX?

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if UC "donated" 5% of your mineral rights to the salvation army, i wouldn't NEED to dig up dirt on the salvation army cuz the point is that the mineral rights are the companies assets and that's what you are paying for when you buy the shares...you aren't buying revenues or profits....

the UCAD deals should be a warning to you that there are some things going on that nobody wants you know about....and people don't usually hide GOOD truths......
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Sure, MP, just as meaningful as your post on JBCak's thread "women,sex,stocks,drugs"!

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I get your point and it is a valid concern. However, I did not see the significance of you posting about the history of UCAD and their mineral claim deals.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Uhm, and what exactly does that have to do with CMKX? Just because you wear diapers at night doesn't mean that we have to discuss your bedwetting problem in this thread, does it?!

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You sorry sad juvenile imbecile.. it's best here on out that you read and not post.

Just a Public Service announcement. Thank you.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by JamesDBrewer:
LOL Yeah I tell it how it is and people flame me for it. I said we most likely won't reach
$2.00-10 PPS until 5 years. I'm sorry people, but it ain't gonna happen. We may reach .25-.50 by next year, but until we find some huge rocks, then at least be prepared for disappointment.Some of the guys on this board have been sniffing too much coke to realize the reality of the situtation, they are on cloud 9 and aren't ready for the big disappointment if the PPS doesn't move. Watch these are the same people who will be bitching 24/7 if the PPS doesn't move before
or after the ex dividend date. These same people will be selling also which will again keep the PPS at .0003/.0004.

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Whoa James, you went from basher to pumper in two seconds! Did you copy the wrong post? .25 - .50 PPS next year??? I think you have been reading Sterling's posts too much. PUMPER PUMPER PUMPER!

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Again:

quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Uhm, and what exactly does that have to do with CMKX? Just because you wear diapers at night doesn't mean that we have to discuss your bedwetting problem in this thread, does it?!

You sorry sad juvenile imbecile.. it's best here on out that you read and not post.

Just a Public Service announcement. Thank you.

Now go back and re-edit your posts 20 times till you get it right.
 

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Rules for Successful Bashing:

1. Be anonymous

2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.

3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.

4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.

5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.

6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.

7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.

8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.

9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.

10. Give the appearance of being open minded.

11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.

12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.

13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.

14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.

15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.

16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.

17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.

18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.

19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.

20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.

21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.

22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.

23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.

24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.

25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.

26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.

27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.

28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.

30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Glassman,

I get your point and it is a valid concern. However, I did not see the significance of you posting about the history of UCAD and their mineral claim deals.

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The mineral claim deal looks like they bought nothing. it specifically states that they are exchanging shares (alot) for rights to revenues that don't exist......
is that a gift????? i don't know, but thats what it looks like. when i start seeing deals like that i become more interested.i mean, HOW DO I GET A DEAL LIKE THAT? when i started looking into who else holds sharesin UCAD already, i found a bunch of privately held Nevada Corps (this means they don't have to file)
i am not going to speculate on all the ways to use LEGAL tactics to strip assets off of companies here. besides, i'm sure that CMKX would never do anything to hurt their shareholders...that would be unethical......

 

OOOPS Sorry Wallace was that a religious post?
 

quote:

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Originally posted by JamesDBrewer:
Again:

quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Uhm, and what exactly does that have to do with CMKX? Just because you wear diapers at night doesn't mean that we have to discuss your bedwetting problem in this thread, does it?!

You sorry sad juvenile imbecile.. it's best here on out that you read and not post.

Just a Public Service announcement. Thank you.

Now go back and re-edit your posts 20 times till you get it right.

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I can see 2 people having different opinions but thats all they are opinions. Why does it have to resort to child like behaviour?

This is just my opinion and I am not in any stocks as of yet but trying to learn. This childlike behaviour is only hindering the boards for guys like me to read all the crap to get to some good educational stuff and learn from the experienced. I have seen bashers and pumpers as you call them both have things to offer a new guy to leran from.

This is just an opinion and an observation from what I have seen thus far.

You can now beat on me too for voicing it.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
The mineral claim deal looks like they bought nothing. it specifically states that they are exchanging shares (alot) for rights to revenues that don't exist......
is that a gift????? i don't know, but thats what it looks like. when i start seeing deals like that i become more interested.i mean, HOW DO I GET A DEAL LIKE THAT? when i started looking into who else holds sharesin UCAD already, i found a bunch of privately held Nevada Corps (this means they don't have to file)
i am not going to speculate on all the ways to use LEGAL tactics to strip assets off of companies here. besides, i'm sure that CMKX would never do anything to hurt their shareholders...that would be unethical......

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The feeling I'm getting with all the divedends are that these different companies are just shuffling papers between each other when in fact they are all probably linked or buddy buddies with each other.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
LOL. James you are a lot more fun than Wallace - at least you fight back. You seem to be a tad more emotionally unstable though, so make sure you don't let one slip by using profanity or name calling, or you may lose your job. I does suck having to work on the weekends, doesn't it? Are you allowed to drink on the job? Well, I'm not working so I guess I'll go to the fridge now and pour myself a cold one or two.

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and as usual you have no friends so you can waste time here 24 x 7.... LOL
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Rags2BetahRags:
I am new to all this but why is bashing necessary in the first place???

I can see 2 people having different opinions but thats all they are opinions. Why does it have to resort to child like behaviour?

This is just my opinion and I am not in any stocks as of yet but trying to learn. This childlike behaviour is only hindering the boards for guys like me to read all the crap to get to some good educational stuff and learn from the experienced. I have seen bashers and pumpers as you call them both have things to offer a new guy to leran from.

This is just an opinion and an observation from what I have seen thus far.

You can now beat on me too for voicing it.

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relax betta rags, they are just playing around... part of the game for the pumpers is to have bashers around to beat on so they can look good.... then there is the tactic of filling up the boards with nonesense so that the real DD gets obscured....it 's just part of the shell game.. i only do this once in while to keep them on their toes.....LOL

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited August 08, 2004).]
 

As usual, they have misinterpreted your statements. Now, from a pro stance which you made very clear, they are beating up on you for stating the obvious. I know you are not a basher, that you are pro CMKX and you did make that clear.

Did you notice noahltl chimed in? He's the one that originated that basher handbook nonsense. He's also the one who once posted that pro-rata means 1 for 1.

Rags,

Glassman is right. I, however, like to rattle their cages on this CMKX CULT thread.
They ignore any valid information that they do not like.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
No James, I am a family man and since my wife and kids are in Europe I have all this time to spend with my foster family - Allstocks. You, on the other hand, are here on a Sunday night because you're getting paid for it. How pathetic that is!

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No actually your wife is in my bed and your kids are out mowing my lawn..

CMKX TRUU DA R000F???!?!?!?!?
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
James,

As usual, they have misinterpreted your statements. Now, from a pro stance which you made very clear, they are beating up on you for stating the obvious. I know you are not a basher, that you are pro CMKX and you did make that clear.

Did you notice noahltl chimed in? He's the one that originated that basher handbook nonsense. He's also the one who once posted that pro-rata means 1 for 1.

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Agreed. I'm just curious to see what happens from the meetings.. if there is a merger I wonder who is going to be in the drivers seat?
 

Glad you are laughing. Talk to you later. About time for this old f*rt to hit the sack.

James,

I can see CMKX being swallowed up by UCAD. I can also see CMKX running it self out of business. Problem with the former is that UCAD's fundamentals stink.
 

Coke has to be the dumbest **** you can try... and I have never even tried it. The concept of sniffing that crap is just so not me... Stick to the real organics Mushroom power!

-John-
 

http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKX&read=456016

newbies & skeptics...check out this link. It is the book on
securities regulations written by D Roger Glenn, CMKXs head counsel. He is without question one of the top 5 securities attorneys on wall street. He's a former SEC enforcer and a former auditor for Deloitte & Touche. Would someone of this caliber be involved in a scam? Would someone of this caliber be involved UNLESS something huge was in the works?
His firm's client list is a veritable 'who's who' of fortune 500 companies. http://capitalmarkets.rrdonnelley.com/download/refpubs/Corporate_Responsibilities.pdf
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May God Bless All.
 

[This message has been edited by Money_Penny (edited August 08, 2004).]
 

I had previously posted that I had been a white collar crime and fraud detective for the Indianapolis Police Dept. This idiot actually called the PD to find out if I was for real. Apparently they gave him my name, still public info., even though I am retired on disability.

This kook, stalker, whatever, used to go by the name of rchaud98 and you can go back to find his first raid on this thread at: http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/Forum8/HTML/007981.html

I think I should probably be entitled to the same anonymity as everyone else, but I am not ashamed of my name. But I don't think it is reasonable for this idiot to be allowed to drag it through the garbage that he is putting out here.

So until the mods take care of this, please ignore this guy.
 

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Originally posted by TruthTeller:
JamesDBrewer
Date Registered: August 08, 2004

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Its getting closer guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I saw teh same thing right before QBID went big

Bashers are sweating, boils and blisters are appearing on their fingers... Not from some Godly act but by sheer physics of typing 10000000000s of posts lol...

Poor poor Wallace... He gets a whole shiney 2004 Nickler per post He started at shiney pennys and moved up... Where Movin' on up... Movin' on up.... Ohhh I said, Movin', Movin' Movin' on up, Wallaceeeeeeee.... , he's movin' uppppppppp!!!!!

I'm Rick James, Be-atch!

James happy less than 24 hour old birthday

HAPPY BIRTH DAY TO YOU... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU... How birthday dear Basher, Happy birth Day to you!

-John-

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Originally posted by JBCak47:
Lol Jim, Brewer, like the Comedian?!?!? ?

That sucks, what a freak...

-John-

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John can't you tell, from my 'laugh a minute' posts that we are one and the same. LOL

lol...

again however I am sorry this guy did this...

-John-

 

That is unbelievable. What a jerk. I wonder if Allstocks can do something about banned people coming back? Like looking at the IP addresses when someone registers? No doubt this joker will be banned by tomorrow, but of course he could come back as someone else, perhaps my real name?
 

this is a lot more vauable than copying some of the outrageous statements that i've been reading....
i didn't see anybody else posting this information anywhere.....
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Hi Glassman, Did you answer my questions to you from page 1? One was Did you think we didn't read the SEC filing on UCAD? Another was- Do you think it is unusual for a company to move into a shell in the pink sheet market?

As far as this post of yours. UCAD does have some sweetheart deals for cash in exchange for mineral rights. We (the sahreholders) will be getting shares in UCAD and other mining companies. The dividends almost equal the present cost of the stock. We have a great lawyer who is looking out for the shareholders interests. One way or another we will get the value that is in CMKX to the shareholders.

Do you understand this next paragraph?
UCAD is coming TO THE SHAREHOLDERS-not to CMKX. So if CMKX gets some cash that is great and not at all unusual. Why wouldn't the company get cash when that is why companies sell stock in the first place. They certainly haven't been getting cash for the naked shorted shares the MM's have been spinning.

Glassman -I am not seeing much value in the 'DD' you think you are bringing. Your amen corner consists of new posters who are suspect and a few that are not held in high esteem. If your goal is to chase away the stockholders who like this stock and have posted here for the last year -why bother? You may not succeed unless you plan on living your life on the CMKX board. And if you want it that bad we know other boards where we are more than welcome and this kind of baloney isn't.

Good Luck to all the longs in this stock. Trust the DD you have done and try to ignore the bashers. They are actually a good sign. Why all the energy to bash a .0004 stock? IMO-DD-Debi
 

These jokers are so easy to identify and most of them can be discredited withing 5 minutes. Did you notice there were some new people "popping their heads in" to voice their disgust at all this childish behavior...all just part of the game if you ask me.

Judgement day for the MMs is fastly approaching and they have launched an all out attack trying to shake some more unripe fruit out of the trees. I now have more confidence in this stock than ever because if this was a looser stock there would not be the need for any bashers!
 

Am I glad I could not sleep and opened up the CMKX CULT thread again. Don,t you just enjoy this thread? Talk about DD and good detective work. Problem is, you gave him the information with which to do his detective work, so blame yourself as well.

Yes, most of the posters on this thread are disgusting. Especially those that post all the time. Nine posts right off the bat and all repeats. Then more and more redundancy. Of course, they are the CULT members. Let's drive Glassman off as well. He has nothing positive and glowing to say about CMKX, so he can be discredited.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]
 

You did good Money P!

Wallace is like fighting the skinnies in Ethopia! lol...

I think we will se even more crazier things, its mounting:

-These bashers mounting increasing 'attacks' on websites.

-The OTCBB.COM fiasco

-The 'fake PR' event

-The MM's possibly sending fake documents

-The MM's trading in huge blocks to keep prices fixed...

It is all adding up guys... our time is NOW!!!

-JOHN-

Minerals have value as soon as they are verified. If we have the goods and they are proven we will be valued at more than .0004 even before the mining operation starts. The gold, silver, ,zinc, uranium, diamonds, palladium and/or any other minerals they find have value. The PR from 2 years ago about 7 mining companies in the area being potential partners with CMKX looks to be coming together. The meeting is this week. The lawyer is there. The bashers are here, there and everywhere. The dividend date has been set and everything is ready for a short squeeze. I can't wait to see it come together. In my dreams a PR with the share count and the filing get announced at the same time as a cash dividend. That would get JEFF off of .0004. IMO-DD-Debi

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First, is it any coincidence that it is rumored that we will be having a BIG week before the first dividend deadline?

Is it any coincidence that the BIG meeting is happening this week?

Is it any coincidence that we are being told something special is around the corner BEFORE the BIG meeting in Sask.?

REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER

How many smart people were predicting not too long ago that cleaning up the share structure BEFORE a big diamond PR is released might make the most sense?

Let's look at some fairly recent events..

Remember the diamondiferous pr and how the pps moved in anticipation of the core results?

Remember how the JV companies were halted..and subsequently we released PART of the results..which in turn created a sell off?

Remember how at about the same time a questionable o.s. was announced without the blessings of Urban and cmkx..and how the pps continued to sell off?

Well in my mind all of these events are connected if you look close enough..

The fact IMO that cmkx has been continuing to retire shares points to the high probability that they have not (even until recently) been READY to announce the share structure..for the simple fact..IT WAS NOT READY. Period.

This whole thing has been planned and timed by our lawyer..and IMO it is BEST to release the share structure/o.s. BEFORE we drop the big bomb (diamonds)..

I just wanted to remind everyone of this..because with everything approaching the dividend deadline..AND with the CMKX meeting this week..and with the RUMOR of good news..I would not be surprised..if more than one piece of good news happens very shortly.

IMO the timing of everything is more than coincidence.

And let's not forget the announcement of the Vegas party-- now I saved this for last, because in light of everything else IMO this is miniscule-- however, it is one of those little coincidences when put with everything else-- IMO it means something.

I don't mean to be a Pumper..and people know I never get too nutty especially BEFORE a rumored PR..but I believe something very big is about to happen..

It is easy to protect ourselves at this point after so much let down (mainly with the pps)..but I believe the longs have a reason to be excited at this point..IMO this is no longer about trying to get the shorts to cover..

This is about long term success. Try to view what is about to happen in that light..
 

If this is a cult, you are as much a member as me

You are here EVERYDAY... so what DOES that make you?

-john-
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Well, James, I cannot say you did not deserve it. On the other hand, it was dispicable...as were your and others' posts to rchaud98 and various well meaning people.

Am I glad I could not sleep and opened up the CMKX CULT thread again. Don,t you just enjoy this thread? Talk about DD and good detective work. Problem is, you gave him the information with which to do his detective work, so blame yourself as well.

Yes, most of the posters on this thread are disgusting. Especially those that post all the time. Nine posts right off the bat and all repeats. Then more and more redundancy. Of course, they are the CULT members. Let's drive Glassman off as well. He has nothing positive and glowing to say about CMKX, so he can be discredited.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]

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Once again, Wallace, I'll be praying for you tonight.

quote:

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
James,

As usual, they have misinterpreted your statements. Now, from a pro stance which you made very clear, they are beating up on you for stating the obvious. I know you are not a basher, that you are pro CMKX and you did make that clear.

Did you notice noahltl chimed in? He's the one that originated that basher handbook nonsense. He's also the one who once posted that pro-rata means 1 for 1.

Rags,

Glassman is right. I, however, like to rattle their cages on this CMKX CULT thread.
They ignore any valid information that they do not like.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]

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Wallace, I read a few quotes back of a challenge to you to present some PR or info of truth or validity that would indicate that this company is not the real thing. All we get from you is worthless analysis, viper comments and name calling. Are you paid to do this? This is an honest question. If not, why are you here? Do you care for us little folk so much that you are here to stand up and protect us from our own stupidity. It's so obvious, you have no other agenda except to bash this stock. Thanks for the tidbit of truths you throw out, but please, please, keep the baseless, worthless theories about how stupid we all are to yourself.

I'm for one am sick of it. If you are not for this stock, then, you are against it. You've called everyone associated with it idiots and jokes. I contend that YOU are the idiot and joke. If this stock fails we will be sad, poorer and dismayed.

Show us the truths. You've got none. All you've shown is quotes, statements and claims of worthless value and use that as verified statements from who knows where. Give us some truths from some source that is viable and respectable and we will follow up on that. Yes, we pump because we are excited. We don't need anyone insinuating that we are mindless idiots that worship all the powers that be.

This stated in my humble opinion.

 

Apparently you think we are naive and you are here to save us. While I appreciate the religious zeal you bring to the cause. You are not the Saviour that I am looking for. CMKX isn't either but you probably already knew that. However, I do think CMKX will be handy to have in my portfolio.
IMO-Debi
 

Count up the posts by noahltl, WWJD, JBCak and Money_Penny over the last five days. Now count up mine. You will also find, much to your surprise, that I do not post every day.

Noahltl,

Thanks, but no thanks. You and others on this CMKX CULT thread need the prayers more than I...and THAT IS A FACT!

Missed two.

WorkAHolic,

Suggest you do some DD on just who has been calling people idiot and a joke. If you are going to comment, at least read others' posts.
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Won't be long now, and we will all be seeing a pictures of Urban Casavant and D Roger Glenn actually walking on water.

Good night.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 08, 2004).]
 

Wallace is not part of our "cult". That would make him a "pumper" and he would have a heart attack and die. He can't fight against his evil nature. You see, everybody who is not against CMKX is a pumper. Poor Wallace. He'll soon be staring through the windows at our millionaire's party in Vegas (if they allow him to carry his oxygen bottles on board the airplane) and he'll be singing: I'm on the outside, I'm looking in....hehehe (can't you tell, I'm a Staind fan).

Gotta go to bed now, I have to go to work tomorrow. Gosh, after seeing some of the pathetic work of our basher buddies tonight, it sure feel good to have an honorable, decent and rewarding job!

quote:

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Originally posted by JBCak47:
WALLACE

If this is a cult, you are as much a member as me

You are here EVERYDAY... so what DOES that make you?

-john-

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quote:

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Originally posted by JamesDBrewer:
LOL Yeah I tell it how it is and people flame me for it. I said we most likely won't reach
$2.00-10 PPS until 5 years. I'm sorry people, but it ain't gonna happen. We may reach .25-.50 by next year, but until we find some huge rocks, then at least be prepared for disappointment.Some of the guys on this board have been sniffing too much coke to realize the reality of the situtation, they are on cloud 9 and aren't ready for the big disappointment if the PPS doesn't move. Watch these are the same people who will be bitching 24/7 if the PPS doesn't move before
or after the ex dividend date. These same people will be selling also which will again keep the PPS at .0003/.0004.

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A/S speculated to be five hundred billion... company transfering assets to a seperate shell...Litterally a decade of scamming by UC... NO DIAMONDS... No real talk of ever having diamonds.....
How is the PPS ever going to see a quarter?

 

quote:

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
The post below is for the 'well intentioned' people who are attempting to hijack this board.

Apparently you think we are naive and you are here to save us. While I appreciate the religious zeal you bring to the cause. You are not the Saviour that I am looking for. CMKX isn't either but you probably already knew that. However, I do think CMKX will be handy to have in my portfolio.
IMO-Debi

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Debi, it's a "quality" of the educational elitists to save mankind from themselves.

Nobody wants to look for your posts - that's like looking for turds floating in a swimming pool!

quote:

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
JBCak,

Count up the posts by noahltl, WWJD, JBCak and Money_Penny over the last five days. Now count up mine. You will also find, much to your surprise, that I do not post every day.

Noahltl,

Thanks, but no thanks. You and others on this CMKX CULT thread need the prayers more than I...and THAT IS A FACT!

Good night.

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As far as this post of yours. UCAD does have some sweetheart deals for cash in exchange for mineral rights. We (the sahreholders) will be getting shares in UCAD and other mining companies. The dividends almost equal the present cost of the stock. We have a great lawyer who is looking out for the shareholders interests. One way or another we will get the value that is in CMKX to the shareholders.

Do you understand this next paragraph?
UCAD is coming TO THE SHAREHOLDERS-not to CMKX. So if CMKX gets some cash that is great and not at all unusual. Why wouldn't the company get cash when that is why companies sell stock in the first place. They certainly haven't been getting cash for the naked shorted shares the MM's have been spinning.

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I just wanted to add that your amen corner included a criminal. Stealing anothers identity. I hope he gets prosecuted and not just by Noah. I hope Roger Glenn takes on some of the bashers who cross the line from opinion to fraud.

I am trying to be on my best behavior but when the person trying to protect us from being naive and scammed gets scammed and duped in front of our eyes it is hard to pretend not to notice. I am going to really turn in now.

I wish you the best but can't figure out what your problem is with this stock. The pumpers that are alluded to by you I haven't seen on this board. I see a lot of regular Allstocks posters who are enthusiastic about this stock. There is a difference. Most of us did our DD. We had our questions about the company and its integrity. We answered those to our satisfaction on about 200 pages on the various CMKX threads. Who are the pumpers? I think we can name the bashers. I still don't consider you a basher, I guess that is why I am curious about your sudden zeal for trying to shoot down this stock. Do you think you are so brilliant that with 10 hours or less of DD you will knock down any research we spent hundreds of hours considering? Some may be just buying an expensive lottery ticket but I have really done as much research as possible and some of it very creative. I am 100% satisfied with what I have discovered. I am confident enough that I recommended this to friends and family and together we own over 100 Million shares. So best to you and yours. I am really not trying to be rude. I know you said the other day you had been treated rudely on this thread. I saw some rudeness tonight and not by you. But the company you keep is a poor reflection on you. IMO-Debi
 

Wallace is a fruad and will be expoased in a matter of days...

His noose is getting tighter

Wallace MP is right, no one wants to look up any of your dumb , b i t c h a s s posts...

Go away you fool...

Are we not allowed to talk to one another? Many of us have been logging on here for many, many months, religously.... Sorry people around here don't care for you however I am sure you have been exposed to that all your life.

In fact I bet one share of Qbid and one of CMKX on it!!!!

Again I can sum up Wallace in word: FRANCE

-John-
 

Noahltl (aka James)

Just remember an amateur should not be posting that ex-dividend dates and record dates are the same. Or, that pro-rata means 1 for 1. As I said, try to learn something first before pretending to be knowledgeable.

Tell me more about your quality/smart lawyer who apparently has so much integrity he wrote about, among other things, "Disclosing Non-Public Information". Tell me why UC and Melvin seem to have been doing just that to a limited few and why a quality, smart lawyer with integrity has not put a stop to it. Tell me why his law firm settled in a suit for not performing their fiduciary responsibilities. Tell me how many law firms you know that would not take the money and represent any firm if the amount of money is attractive enough.

Sleep well.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 09, 2004).]
 

quote:

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Glassman wrote : CMKX sold 5% of YOUR (the shareholders) mineral rights to them for SHARES--and they sold an option to buy an extra 10% of CMKX's mineral rights for cash....
if the real value of CMKX is the mineral rights, i am pointing out to you that they are being sold out of the company to another company that you may or may not get(dividend) shares in.... that's not important???????????

this is a lot more vauable than copying some of the outrageous statements that i've been reading....
i didn't see anybody else posting this information anywhere.....
_____________________________________________
Hi Glassman, Did you answer my questions to you from page 1? One was Did you think we didn't read the SEC filing on UCAD? Another was- Do you think it is unusual for a company to move into a shell in the pink sheet market?

As far as this post of yours. UCAD does have some sweetheart deals for cash in exchange for mineral rights. We (the sahreholders) will be getting shares in UCAD and other mining companies. The dividends almost equal the present cost of the stock. We have a great lawyer who is looking out for the shareholders interests. One way or another we will get the value that is in CMKX to the shareholders.

Do you understand this next paragraph?
UCAD is coming TO THE SHAREHOLDERS-not to CMKX. So if CMKX gets some cash that is great and not at all unusual. Why wouldn't the company get cash when that is why companies sell stock in the first place. They certainly haven't been getting cash for the naked shorted shares the MM's have been spinning.

Glassman -I am not seeing much value in the 'DD' you think you are bringing. Your amen corner consists of new posters who are suspect and a few that are not held in high esteem. If your goal is to chase away the stockholders who like this stock and have posted here for the last year -why bother? You may not succeed unless you plan on living your life on the CMKX board. And if you want it that bad we know other boards where we are more than welcome and this kind of baloney isn't.

Good Luck to all the longs in this stock. Trust the DD you have done and try to ignore the bashers. They are actually a good sign. Why all the energy to bash a .0004 stock? IMO-DD-Debi

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gee Debbi--you think thats bashing????
that's a bad sign.....
yes i have seeen this type of thing before, and it never came out good for the shareholders, i DID assume that you hadn't seen it, cuz you are still promoting this thing.....
the logic here is that UC and the Lawyer wear white hats right?????????

 

I won't leave my email up long, and please don't copy it in a reply, thanks.

[This message has been edited by will (edited August 09, 2004).]
 

Count up the posts by noahltl, WWJD, JBCak and Money_Penny over the last five days. Now count up mine. You will also find, much to your surprise, that I do not post every day.

You really don't have to count. There is a link on each person's post to check profile, the numbers are there.

Wallace1 - 551 posts

Noahltl - 562 posts

Guess I really am a pumper, and Wallace is an infrequent poster. Owe you 11 posts buddy.

 

Gee, Glass, you must really be a bad sort with the company you keep. LMAO! Wonder if I missed out on an "honorable mention".

Others on this board would rather keep company with the likes of noahltl (aka James), JBCak (funny,vulgar guy with the
"women,sex,stocks,drugs" thread), Money_Penny (JBCak's shadow), Truth Teller, WorkAHolic, Trading Wizard (who also thinks JBCak is funny) and all the other CMKX CULT members. Then, they all try to tell others they are not PUMPERS? Just look at the name on this thread again...just like the last two, and by an amateur PUMPER.
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Oh gosh, so close in posts to noahltl! Difference is that most, if not all, his posts are on the CMKX CULT threads. What does that tell you about a PUMPER? The same thing with certain other people on the CMKX CULT thread.

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PS. Warn your wife that if your head starts spinning around and green bile shoots out of your mouth, it's all part of this process. LOL
 

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Originally posted by sherry:
I have been reading this board since april. I don't post just read. Thhis is my first stock buy ever. From the info posted here I feel I've made a sound choice and after reading all these months I have noticed a cycle of bashers and wanted to say I think you guys noah, wwjd thur me, and others are doing a fine job.

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Thanks Sherry, it's been a rough day here, and I appreciate that. Thanks again.

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
I must get some sleep but the film keeps rolling.

Gee, Glass, you must really be a bad sort with the company you keep. LMAO! Wonder if I missed out on an "honorable mention".

Others on this board would rather keep company with the likes of noahltl (aka James), JBCak (funny,vulgar guy with the
"women,sex,stocks,drugs" thread), Money_Penny (JBCak's shadow), Truth Teller, WorkAHolic, Trading Wizard (who also thinks JBCak is funny) and all the other CMKX CULT members. Then, they all try to tell others they are not PUMPERS? Just look at the name on this thread again...just like the last two, and by an amateur PUMPER.

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Do I need to do anymore searching. This guy/girl just keeps getting deeper and deeper into him/herself. I'll bet he's sleeping alone tonight.

I'm going to bed, sweet dreams all. See you in Las Vegas.

 

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WARNING: If you are a hedge fund illegaly manipulating CMKX, or an otherwise illegal naked shorter, or a market maker who aids in any illegal market behaviors relating to CMKX then what you are about to read will NOT make you happy.

There is a new way to look at our CMKX investment. The company is giving it's shareholders a strong hint(s) that our success will NOT be completely tied to the pps.

We have all heard the recent theories about the dividends being a long term strategy for investors of CMKX to hold their shares..and this is NOT just for a short term gain by forcing the shorts to cover..

This may or may not be a bi product of the strategy..but in life there are things we can control and things we cannot control..whether or not the "shorts" decide to cover in a certain time period is THEIR choice..

The tide has shifted IMO..because a growing number of shareholders are understanding that this investment in CMKX is not only about the short covering..the investment can now be seen in TWO parts..

1. The liability of the shorts to buy back their shares.

2. The value of CMKX through it's potential land claims, partnerships, dividends etc.

This is how I CLEARLY see my investment at this point:

I have value in my cmkx shares measured by BOTH pps and dividends..the value IMO is unfolding before our eyes and with the information I have gathered through personal dd I feel very strongly that this value will increase in the months and years ahead of us..

I separate the pps part of the equation from my short term expectations of the stock..because Roger Glenn is handling that part..

The pps might take TIME because whoever has been manipulating the pps has different options.

a) There could be a full cover

b) There could be litigation

c) There could be an out of court settlement

d) An outside government entity could get involved

e) A combination of any of these (or other possiblities)

The point is..I FOR ONE DON'T CARE WHEN THE THIEVES DECIDE TO STOP MANIPULATING THE PPS ANY LONGER!!!!!!!...(and no, Diamondogg has not finally gone insane by staring 24/7 at the computer LOL)

IMO, we as shareholders will be getting value for our investment BESIDES the increase in the pps.

I will let the pps play itself out in it's own good time..and if it takes 6 months or a year for me to get a check in the mail (after some deal is struck or settlement is made)..then so be it..

BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE PPS WILL BE THE MAIN DRIVER OF MY WEALTH ANY LONGER..

It may still play a significant role..but there is enough going on WITHOUT THE PPS..to keep me invested at this point.

What this means for the people who are "stuck" shorting this stock..time is definitely on our side..the heels of the longs will just get deeper and deeper into their respective positions..and in a way, I believe shareholders will be happier in the long run because more shareholders will realize the true gains a huge diamond mine can bring.

I still believe we have some incredible things ready to be announced very shortly..

but as I said at the end of my other post..longs would be wise to see the great news in light of the long term success of the company..

If the pps does not respond in the short term...I for one will still be smiling..because I know what I own..and it won't just be reflected in the pps of cmkx..

There will be justice IMO when it comes to the pps..

But the ones who have done illegal activity will need to worry about WHEN the hammer will fall..NOT me.

So relax, and know that you have ownership in company(ies) that will be part of perhaps the most exciting mineral exploration in our lifetimes..no matter what the pps does..

And believe me..SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THIS BELIEF TO SINK IN..THEY WANT INVESTORS TO THINK SHORT TERM..THEY WANT INVESTORS TO STARE AT THE PPS EVERY DAY..THEY WANT INVESTORS TO WONDER WHY THE STOCK PRICE IS NOT MOVING..THEY WANT INVESTORS TO GET THEIR HOPES A MILE HIGH AND THEN BE DISSAPOINTED..

but if we realize that our investment is no longer tied to the short term pps..THESE PEOPLE LOSE. Period.

Good luck. Diamondogg
 

Gee, you and JBCak are neck and neck to reaching the lofty pinnacle of your ambitions. Remember, I mentioned it before...knowledge of a pissoir.

And that from a guy that provided the clues for someone to find out his name. And that from a guy that says the ex-date is the record date. And that from a guy who says pro-rata means 1 to 1. And that from an admitted amateur who gives newbies investment advice. WOW!!! Now that IS impressive. So much credibility.

And that from an amateur that is so original all he can do is post others' posts -- and may even be inserting bits of his own opinions in those posts without others knowing he had done that.

Good Night.

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(Pronunciation Key)pis·soir Listen: [ p-swär ]
n.

A public urinal located on the street in some European countries.

 

I used to arrest people for lurking around the 'pissoir'.
 

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
[BI think you hit the nail on the head and it is a fairly common way to do things. The post that listed all the shells that CMKX has available to use probably terrifies the MM's. Dividend after Dividend will make this a real terror to stay short on. This is going to leave them gobsmacked. Or maybe we'll be gobsmacked by the amount of money in our accounts. GLTY and GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi[/B]

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Enjoy
 

It seem Wallace is picking up where "JamesDBrewer" left off. It would't surprise me if both were one and the same. Hey, you could always send an email to the mods and have them check out his IP address?!
 

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Originally posted by will:
glassman email me at .com, please.

I won't leave my email up long, and please don't copy it in a reply, thanks.

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will--sorry i missed your post last night...went to bed...
look-- i'm not a basher and i'm not "jumping into the fray" down here... i did my DD on CMKX and i really don't need to do any more......i was off-line for quite awhile and just got back on-line recently... i am interested to see how this plays out , so i'll just watch quietly...
 

Good Morning Everyone-This is 94 pages of Press Releases. It has much of the answers to some of the questions many people have. This is where you can get the information for yourself without interpretation.
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi

GLTA.
 

The 94 pages of press releases that tic toc has posted has some very good information for anyone looking to see what kind of plan appears to be coming together.
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi

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August 09, 2004 06:15 AM US Eastern Timezone

Citigroup to Acquire Derivative Markets Business of Knight Trading Group

NEW YORK & JERSEY CITY, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 9, 2004--Citigroup (NYSE: C):

-- Leading Provider of Options Execution to Become Part of Equities Division Of Citigroup's Global Corporate and Investment Banking Group

-- Citigroup Executes on Plans to Grow its Derivatives Business

Citigroup (NYSE: C) and Knight Trading Group (NASDAQ: NITE) today announced that they have entered into a definitive agreement under which Citigroup, Inc. will acquire the assets and operations that comprise the Derivatives Markets business of Knight Trading Group. The purchase price was $225 million in cash. The transaction is expected to close in the fourth quarter of 2004 and is subject to customary closing conditions, including antitrust and regulatory approvals.

Acquiring Knight's Derivatives Markets business provides Citigroup with electronic and floor-based market making capabilities in listed equity and fixed income options. Knight is a leading provider of options execution in the industry and is a specialist in approximately 500 options classes, covering nearly three-fourths of all equity option order flow on most U.S. options exchanges.

"The acquisition of Knight's options business is consistent with our efforts to expand our derivatives market making capabilities, as evidenced by our recent appointment as an electronic specialist (E-DPM) on the Chicago Board of Options Exchange," said James Forese, Managing Director and head of Global Equities at Citigroup. "This transaction will add significant scale to our U.S. equities business and provide Citigroup with top-tier order-routing and market making capabilities in our growing derivatives business."

Thomas M. Joyce, Chief Executive Officer and President of Knight Trading Group, said, "Knight made significant improvements to its options business since it was acquired in 2000, adapting to the dynamic options market by increasing efficiencies and introducing new products." Mr. Joyce continued, "Knight is now a significant market maker in the U.S. with profitable operations, a strong brand and industry-leading technology and trading expertise. Ultimately, the hard work of Knight's employees transformed our options business into the attractive asset for Citigroup that it is today."

About Knight Trading Group

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Citigroup (NYSE: C), the preeminent global financial services company has some 200 million customer accounts and does business in more than 100 countries, providing consumers, corporations, governments and institutions with a broad range of financial products and services, including consumer banking and credit, corporate and investment banking, insurance, securities brokerage, and asset management. Major brand names under Citigroup's trademark red umbrella include CitiFinancial, Primerica, Smith Barney, Banamex and Travelers Life and Annuity. Additional information may be found at www.citigroup.com

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Here is a litte info I have found on Kimberlite.
http://www.ir.gov.sk.ca/Default.aspx?DN=3376,3715,2965,2936,Documents

"Diamonds in glacial drift are the most direct indicators of a bedrock source of diamond. However, diamonds are rare even in the highest-grade diamond-bearing rocks, and one carat (0.2 g) of diamond per tonne of ore is considered a very high-grade diamond deposit. Certain other mantle-derived minerals with a specific range of chemical compositions, including garnet, diopside, and chromite are found in diamond-bearing rock, but are typically thousands of times more abundant than the diamonds themselves. These indicator minerals are then an indirect, but more efficient tool for locating bedrock sources of diamond"

It's all very interesting read. Keep the faith. Las Vegas sounds so nice.

 

"JBCak (funny,vulgar guy with the
"women,sex,stocks,drugs" thread"

Two things,

First is you think I am funny?!?!

Second is why do you have such a hard on for that thread I made a while back????

Basher!
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Lets hope my money is available today

Money P, Wizardress, don't listen to Wallace, not like you would, but I have to say this!

How was your weekends, esp. TW? Mine was good and quiet... Caught up on much needed relaxation.

Im Rick James! Bi tch!

-John-
 

-- if its the latter, get ready for movement -- up up and away!
 

Blasphemy! I need .0004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

-John-
 

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Originally posted by Razorman:
i want to get in for another 1.5M shares, but my money is tied up in "unsettled cash" in ameritrade. Its been 2 days now. UGH!

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You have to wire the funds Razorman if you want it available immediately.
 

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Originally posted by Brad:
You have to wire the funds Razorman if you want it available immediately.

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Actually, the unsettled cash is not from a transfer, its from a sale of stock.

Not sure why this happened, but im asking Ameritrade for an explanation.
 

CMKX: GREATEST MINING RESERVES IN THE WORLD!

By: houstontex1110
07 Aug 2004, 12:07 AM EDT
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MESSAGE TO ALL

Everyone needs to plainly give little or no attention to the OS question. Here's why:

I am by no means an expert in mining stocks. If I was, I would be a mining analyst or mining engineer. However, I first gained exposure to mining through my Dad who owned a small silver mine located in the Big Bend of west Texas. He also worked for a mining operation in Mexico for eight years, and naturally invested in mining stocks.

I finally initiated my own investing career in gold, silver, copper and cobalt mining stocks. During that period, I reviewed hundreds of possibilities, principally via mining newsletters. One in particular really enthused me. Why? The proven and probable mineral reserves totaled around3 billion dollars! Just ONE of our gigantic kimberlites could surpass that by a factor of 100.

In the mining industry, a billion dollar proven reserve is a big deal. We could realistically prove out a trillion dollars in reserves. Take that horrible sounding 500 Billion shares , and divide it into one trillion...$2 per share. If it is one half that, $4 per share.

I must again state, The OS is no longer an issue. Why?
The world has never, never seen a pink sheet co. almost monopolize a region of mineral deposits of this magnitude. This is one of those events which happens once in a hundred years. Sort of like Microsoft, or the US Steel conglomerate or perhaps even surpassing the greatest empire of all time.
Rockefeller after factoring in inflation, amassed a fortune estimated at $ 750 billion. He gobbled up all the oil competition and retired in his early fifties.

Whenever a basher brings up the OS, just focus on the trillion dollars.

I must give Dr. Diamond credit for working out the math on the oreo structure. I believe the world's largest diamond mine is valued around 6 billion. You hear that? These Canadian kimberlites are the elephant deposits which the world's largest mining companies aim for. Before long, they will be giving that Casavant genius a phone call. Large mining concerns do not waste their manpower and resources on small deals. They need size to justify their labor resources, and the giant deals are few and far between.

Just remember, I predict within the next 6 months, a PR will come out specifying that X corp is joint venturing with us.

The bashers are using a trick on you who fret over the OS. They continue whispering, "But what about the 500 billion OS?" And doesn't that sound negative? 500 billion by itself is like a vacuum. It is a sentence without an ending. After you times 500 billion by .0005 you come up with $250,000,000. Folks, the market capitulation is what it's all about. Given our trillion dollar potential, $250 million is a pittance.

I read where one poster was griping about the cost of UC flying from race to race. That is a man who is still living in pink sheet land. We are actually a NYSE corp. in the making. If we had already reached the Big Board, would he still be griping?

I know. Someone will accost me with, "You sure are assuming success before we even pull up one macro diamond find." My answer is, Glenn and Co. saw the handwriting on the wall as well. Some people have vision and can literally predict the future based upon dozens of relevant factors. Others have ZERO ability at making predictions, and MOST will be the naysayers. Identify them as just griping grouches. Some people are never satisfied. They have bought into the investment of a lifetime, and they habitually write posts pointing out problems.

CMKM is a mining company, not a pharmaceutical, a retailer or real estate inv corp. You must apply the correct criterion for judging its future, and those standards are based upon mining science. It all comes down to its intrinsic value...the minerals in the ground. Not its future income stream from the public strolling down the aisles.

The mining numbers will be flowing in over time, and as the world realizes what we have, the price will continue to rise; except in our case soar. In the mining ind. as the drill holes continue to prove out the mineral deposit, the price adjusts upward upon each new press release. Notice, nothing was mentioned about a rising eps...that is more applicable to retailing, manufacturing, etc. Will eps ever become an issue??

Yes in time it will impact the pps. The investment community will expect to eventually see revenue growth and eps growth. But in the short term, that is not critical, and over the long run we ought to see a rising eps, as those proven reserves are put into production.

Notice how shrewd UC is? That is one reason he is looking to establish some income producing properties as soon as possible. He knows how fickle the investment community is. Despite all our mineral wealth, the market must see profits, or the pps will suffer. He is attempting to cover both necessities...eps and proven mineral reserves.

Significantly, UC in the words of a poster, "UC is a marketing machine." Not only will we prove out the greatest mining reserves in the world, but UC will make positively certain the world has not missed the NEWS...knowledge.

THE OUTSTANDING SHARE QUESTION IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE. Knowledge is power, but only if acted upon. Our future trillion dollar reserve basis is knowledge which can and ought to set you free from worrying about the OS.
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IMO-DD-GLTA-Debi

Readers,

The Casavant Manuever is shaping up. Over the last month shareholders have witnessed many changes within CMKX. So far CMKX has declared three dividends for shareholders

1. CMKX reached a purchase agreement with U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTC BB: UCAD ) to which U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. will be purchasing 5% of all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. in exchange for 7.5 million shares of UCAD. CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will later issue these shares to all shareholders of record on August 20, 2004.

In addition to this first dividend UCAD has a 1 year option agreement to purchase an additional 10% interest of all mineral claims held by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. for a total of $15 million U.S. dollars payable to CMKM Diamonds. In an additional press release UCAD has made a 3,000,000 towards gaining the additional 10% interest in CMKM Diamonds.

2. CMKX will receive a 10% lifetime royalty on all mineral claims of CIM and will also receive 40 billion shares of CIM stock, which CMKM Diamonds, Inc. will distribute pro rata as a dividend to all CMKM shareholders of record on August 31, 2004.

3. CMKX has purchased common stock equating to 25% of the outstanding shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM) for $500,000. In addition, GEMM has issued an option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000.

CMKX has elected to distribute the 95,502,027 shares of Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM) which were recently purchased by the company as a dividend to its shareholders. GEMM also issued a 60-day option to CMKX to purchase shares equivalent to an additional 24% of the outstanding shares in GEMM for an additional $500,000 USD. When exercised, the company has elected to distribute this additional 127,336,036 as a dividend on the same record and distribution date.

These dividends could turn out to be very valuable to CMKX shareholders over time. Shareholders should be very pleased with the recent events CMKX has completed which will be adding portfolio value for all shareholders.

Next week all companies involved with CMKX will be meeting in
Saskatchewan working towards an action plan directed to the future for all. I think the word “all” includes shareholders not just the companies that are meeting.

If you go to http://***********.com/Profile-CMKX.htm you can read press releases related to the three announced dividends. Also you can review all the subsidiaries of UCAD and look at pictures of their operations.

The wild card investors are wondering about is the Outstanding/Issued shares. A lot of concern is being made at PalTalk, Yahoo *********** Club, RagingBull and various sites by shareholders and even non-shareholders.

At the Denver race I was fortunate to speak to Urban, he mentioned he owned 100,000,000,000 billion shares of CMKX. He also stated shareholders should always read between the lines in press releases. Taking those two statements into consideration and the 40,000,000,000 CIM dividend I have came up with the follow guesstamate of the Outstanding/Issued shares. I break it down in this way:

40,000,000,000 billion figure came out of the CIM Dividend, I consider this figure the real shareholder float
75,000,000,000 billion paid to Nevada Minerals Inc. of which 40,000,000,000 came from Urban’s 100,000,000,000 CMKX position leaving Urban
60,000,000,000 billion
25,000,000,000 billion for good measures
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200,000,000,000 billion estimate Outstanding/Issued

I do understand everyone is guessing at the OS but IMO this is a maximum figure I am going on at this time. Sterling made a great post yesterday and he figured the OS at apx. 193,000,000,000 billion so Sterling and myself are close enough in or calculations I feel very comfortable we are ranging the OS close.

I am still told the Market Makers have a naked short position at this time. The DTCC is responsible for maintaining orderly dividend distributions to shareholders. If the MMs are currently holding a short position it is the responsibility of DTCC to collect and stock or cash dividends beyond the actual float the company has established to the DTCC. The company is telling us they are not distributing dividends to restricted shares, to Urban or anyone not identified as a normal shareholder. This is where I feel the 40,000,000,000 billion comes into play. I figure the 40 billion is the figure Urban and company is using to calculate distributable shareholders qualified for a dividend whether stock or cash. Again this is all my opinion but the figures to come from press releases (reading between the lines) and Urban’s holdings came from Urban himself.

I firmly believe the MMs are naked short CMKX shares. If this is fact the MMs will struggle to place dividend shares in our brokerage accounts but they could work around this dividend if the shares were restricted. A one year share restriction, in my opinion, would give the MMs one year to cover a naked short in theory. Recently new rules are going into affect changing the manner MMs make a market with naked short shares. The final date the MMs have is the first week of January 2005 to comply. This would disrupt and plans for the MM to cover over a one year time frame.

The best way to force a MM cover would be a cash dividend. If CMKX were to dividend shareholders of record cash the MMs would be liable for covering any naked short. DTCC would force the MMs to cover by giving them a “Fed Call”. Many of us buying in margin accounts understand what a Fed Call is. This is a three-day period you have to comply with regulatory Federal Rules to keep your account in compliance maintaining a certain percentage equity position…this can vary according to brokerage rules put on certain securities. Keep in mind Market Makers work under slightly different rules then retail buyers. Fortunately for the MM they can file an extension extending the Fed Call compliance date. I am sure the MMs short CMKX will ask for the extra time.

Cash is king, is the old saying. What is coming up could get very interesting if the MMs do have to deal with hard cash and not stock. It’s hard to shuffle a short cash position around like they normally do with short stock positions. If this all comes to fruition this will be a first that a small pink sheet company has won the battle with the MM. Market Makers, imo, are responsible for ruining many start-up companies through naked shorting these small companies to the point they can’t raise enough cash to fund operations. This could show other start-up companies there is a method to ward off the MM naked shorting attack.

The future rewards for shareholders should be huge. Understand Urban has stated to many he wants to “make a million millionaire shareholders.” What a statement for a CEO to make. Urban is a gracious individual. He cares about his shareholders so much he wants us all to become financially successful. Also this financial success creates an entire new shareholder base for future companies acquired or any type of IPO that CMKX might participate with in the future.

Everyone imagine if you receive a cash dividend what you would possible do with a small part of the proceeds. I think many are going to buy more CMKX shares. Urban understands when he puts more money in your accounts that you could possible spend you might choose to reinvest into CMKX or other companies involved with CMKX. If many buy CMKX shares with cash proceeds you need to understand the ramifications that will hit the CMKX stock price. The current .0004 level will be history. The stock price should gap large percentage gaps. The price should quickly gap to the cash dividend price. This free cash will have an onward and upward rolling affect that will cause short MMs a serious upset belly. It is time the MMs experience the upset belly feeling that many of us seasoned investors have experienced when they naked shorted our stock holdings to zero in the past.

In my opinion something big is about to happen for all CMKX shareholders. CMKX has more mineral land claims then they could possible mine. In my opinion these claims have more to them then just diamonds. These claims could hold Gold, Uranium, Zinc, Copper, Oil and other valuable minerals. I think Urban is aware he is holding a mineral super market for many major companies. I am sure he isn’t opposed to allow the big boyz to start shopping the CMKX Mineral Shopping Center.

After meeting Urban in Denver I have no doubt, if a company shopped the CMKX Market, shareholders would be rewarded through either a stock or cash dividend. Urban understands shareholders are what makes a company move ahead and fuels a CEO’s heart to do his best for those shareholders. Urban is a different type of CEO then I have ever been around. I can’t put into words my size of respect he gained from me in just one weekend. I hope to be with this company for a long time and watch the stock and cash dividends build my portfolio. I guess in a way I could call this “The Urban Casavant Mutual Fund”.

To end, in my opinion, those that have positions in CMKX will all become millionaires. If you only hold 500,000 shares, if you hold and be patient your rewards of dreaming of making a million in the stock market will come into reality. I am serious as I write this and yes I am seriously more excited about a stock then I have ever been in all the years I have been around. I want to wish all shareholders good luck and good fortune.

All the above is just my opinion, no buy, sell or hold positions should be taken by reading this news letter.

Everyone needs to view updated profile
http://***********.com/Profile-CMKX.htm

Thank you,

Hal Engel aka ***********

http://capitalmarkets.rrdonnelley.com/download/refpubs/Corporate_Responsibilities.pdf

May God Bless All.
 

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Ok. lets take this one step at a time here, like I do in my PR reviews...

1) The idea that dividends can force naked shorts to cover is correct IMO. I think we are all quite familiar with this idea. Basically, when you hold a short position, you must pay any dividends on that short position, whether it’s naked or not. This is because shorting always creates the illusion that more shares exist than really do.

For anyone unfamiliar with how this works, I’ll give a brief example. Joe owns 1 share of XYZ corp. Shortie thinks XYZ corp is over-valued and that the pps will go down. So, Shortie borrows 1 share of XYZ corp from Joe. Joe does NOT know that this has happened. He still sees 1 share of XYZ in his brokerage account. Ok, Shortie takes that share he borrowed and sells it. Lets say Sam bought it. Now both Joe and Sam think that they own 1 share of XYZ. So this 1 share looks like 2 shares now.

Ok, now XYZ offers a dividend. Lets say they offer 1 share of ABC stock for every share of XYZ stock someone holds. Both Joe and Sam are delighted that they will get 1 share of ABC. When the dividend is paid, XYZ corp pays Sam 1 share of ABC. Joe also gets 1 share of ABC, which was bought by Shortie and delivered by Shortie into Joe’s account.

Shortie could have avoided having to do this if he had bought 1 share of XYZ and given it back to Joe, eliminating his short position. This is called “covering”. Shortie would have to do this before the “ex-div” date, which is usually 3 days before the “record” date. For purposes of the UCAD dividend, the “record” date is 8/20.

The only difference between this and naked shorting is that, if Shortie had opened a “naked" short position, he would have sold 1 share of XYZ to Sam, and kinda promised that some day he would borrow that share from somewhere and actually deliver it to Sam. Since Sam never REALLY takes posession of that share of XYZ (although it shows up in his account as if it really existed), it is up to Shortie to pay him any dividends that he has coming to him.

If Shortie has sold a LOT of shares naked short like this, he’s going to have to cough up a LOT of shares of ABC. Those cost money, and the fact that dividends are coming out really make Shortie question whether shorting XYZ was really a good idea anyway. So Shortie will often choose to cover rather than pay the dividend.

Also, if XYZ offers a dividend in the form of stock in a company that is not publicly traded (like CIM for example), then Shortie is really in a bind. He CAN’T buy shares of CIM to deliver to all the Sams he sold shares to. It is impossible; he just can’t do it. So he has to cover. If he doesn’t then he’s in trouble, cuz demz da rules.

Sorry for the digression, but folks new to this really have to understand this process for any discussion of a naked short sqeeze to make any sense at all.

2) Ok, so this “operation dividends” thing suggests that offering dividends will help eliminate the naked short position. I agree, especially with the CIM dividend. The UCAD dividend should work nicely too, because the UCAD float is very small. There are very few shares available for Shorties to buy to pay to all the Sams out there. So far so good.

3) Early on Sterling suggests a cash dividend. I’ll say right now that everyone would love to get a cash dividend, but I see no reason to expect one any time soon. Just does not make any sense that the company would send cash our way when they could use it for drilling operations, equipment, and company/mining-rights acquisitions. Sterling offers nothing of substance to change my mind about this. It might happen, and if it does I’ll be a happy camper just like every other shareholder, but I’m not holding my breath because it really doesn’t make business sense to me.

4) A cash dividend is not more likely to cause short covering than a share dividend. It’s actually a lot harder to come up with shares to distribute than cash. So IMO a share dividend is a MUCH more effective way to force short covering than a cash dividend.

5) Sterling suggests that UCAD and GEMM are going to a major exchange. Possible, but I see no indications of this at this time. This looks like pure speculation.

6) Sterling keeps talking about the “date of execution”. I have figured out from context that what he means is “date of record”. When talking about dividends, there are only 3 dates of significance:

a) ex-div date -- First day to buy shares and NOT be eligible for the dividend. Usually 3 days before the "record" date because it generaly takes 3 days for trades to "settle".

b) record date -- Date on which you MUST be a shareholder of record in order to be eligible for the dividend. If you buy before the ex-div date and hold the shares through the record date, you will get the dividend. Technically you don’t really have to hold the shares even this long, but I don’t like to push my luck with such things...

c) distribution date -- Date that the dividend is actually paid. It is not uncommon for the payment (stocks or money) to not actually show up in your account until the day AFTER the distribution date in my experience.

So, there’s no such thing as an “execution” date, unless you are found guilty of murder in Texas... Sterling means the “record” date.

7) Fruitages? LOL!

8) The explanation for the large o/s is, to be polite, ludicrous. Sterling suggests that Urban created a gargantuan o/s because he wanted to help as many people as possible. He also suggests that a smaller o/s would not help as many people because a small number of people would accumulate most of the o/s.

Utter nonesense. No businessman would think like this for one thing. It’s one thing to respect your shareholders and want to reward them. It’s quite another to believe that Urban’s primary goal is to provide welfare. Sterling suggests that 1M shares would not be enough to ensure good liquidity. Yeah, that’s true, but 10B would be PLENTY. With a smaller o/s, the pps would be proportionately higher, and people would buy less because it would cost more. The same number of people would end up with about the same percentage ownership of CMKX with an o/s of 10B as would for an o/s of 500B.

We have a large o/s because CMKX is a junior mining company that needs money for exploration and has no source of revenue yet. It may also be true that the a/s was jacked up to enable Urban to grab enough shares to protect CMKX from takeover by De Beers. Also always remember that “counterfeit” shares created by naked shorts are NOT part of the “official” o/s, which is what is being discussed here.

9) Sterling suggests that we will get 49% of any transaction, whether this be cash or shares. This is pure guess work and I think this is very unlikely. For one thing, we haven’t seen this happen with ANY of the transactions to which we are privy. Consider the transactions and dividends we’ve seen so far:

a) UCAD is giving CMKX 7.5M shares. CMKX is giving 100% (note, NOT 49%) of these shares to shareholders via a dividend.

b) UCAD gave CMKX $3M to exercise their option. We have not gotten a PR saying that we get ANY of this money, so right now we’re looking at getting 0% of this transaction.

c) GEMM is giving CMKX 49% of it’s o/s (assuming CMKX exersises their option on the remaining 25% of GEMM, which I think they will do). However, if you run the numbers (see my review of this PR) you will see that shareholders are NOT getting all of this. CMKX is retaining 7% and giving us 42% of the GEMM o/s. So again, NOT 49%.

d) CIM is giving CMKX 40B shares. The PR from 7/19/04 implies that 100% of this will go to shareholders in a dividend.

So, I really don’t see where Sterling is getting this “shareholders get 49% of everything” stuff from.

Plus, as I and others have said before, it makes a lot more sense for CMKX to keep it’s cash right now to fund exploration efforts.

10) Sterling says that he assumes that the CMKX float is 40B because of the wording of the CIM dividend PR. I must assume that he is referring to this PR saying that the CIM shares will be distributed “pro rata”. Well, I hate to tell ya that “pro rata” just means “in proportion too, as determined by a specific factor” (http://www.investorwords.com/5735/pro_rata.html). Well, the factor can be anything, so assuming that this means 1:1 is just wishful thinking. Now, the float may very well be on the order of 40B, but I think it’s closer to 100B personally. Certainly the language of the CIM dividend PR does not provide any clues; it just happens to say “pro rata”, when in fact ALL dividends are given pro rata, whether they bother to say so or not!

11) Sterling suggests that Urban will specify that only non-restricted shares will get these dividends. By this he means that Urban, his family, private investors, and companies getting CMKX shares (like Nevada Minerals) will not be eligible for these dividends. Essentially this means that only the “float” would get the dividends; no one else. Obviously if the public float is some figure between 40B and 100B, this would put a lot more shares in our accounts than if these dividends are paid on the entire 483 o/s.

Well, this is a lovely thought, but yet another case of extremely optimistic thinking that, IMO, has no basis in reality. If this in fact happens, I’ll be thrilled, but I see no reason to believe this is the case. Sterling doesn’t offer any reason for why he thinks this will happen either, other than Urban is a really nice guy. We’ll see.

12) Sterling assumes (there’s that word again) that the 75B shares given to Nevada Minerals is 49% of the o/s, and Urban and insiders hold 51% of the o/s. Well, this fits nicely with Sterling’s zero float theory, but otherwise again has no basis in reality. There’s just no reason to believe this. About all you can surmise is that 75B is less than half the o/s, because I’m pretty sure Urban would not give controlling interest in his company to Nevada Minerals. So, as I have discussed elsewhere, the o/s simply MUST be larger than 150B. But there is no reason to assume that it is exacty 150B + 1 shares. This is just a minimum figure based on the NM PR.

13) The calculation of the 153,061,224,489 shares is again nonesense. Look, the only point here is that Nevada Minerals simply must not get controlling interest in CMKX. It is not necessary for the number of shares given to them to be 49%. It is necessary that the number of shares given to them be less than 50%. The smallest number of shares required to be in the o/s for this to be true, given that NM was given 75B shares, is 150,000,000,001. Simple as that. Sterling’s math error is based on the notion that these percentages have to be whole numbers. Nope... they can be fractional.

14) The $15 dollar figure for UCAD’s pps is, you guessed it, optimistic. Yeah, it will go up if good things happen for UCAD, but you can’t count on it. We know for a fact that we are getting restricted shares of UCAD; we won’t be able to sell them for a year after we get them. There is no way to predict what UCAD’s pps will be in the fall of 2005. Might be better, might be worse. Best you can do is just use the $6 figure that it’s trading at now when thinking about the value of the UCAD dividend. The same goes for any share dividend.

15) Sterling plays around with some Excell spreadsheet “what if” kinds of calculations to show what your shares are worth given different o/s figures. Cute, but nothing new. Basically if the o/s is anywhere near where I think it is, no one is getting much out of any of these dividends. But hey, it’s more than we had before and they didn’t have to give us anything, so I’m not complaining. I’m just saying these dividends are not going to enable us to quit our day jobs, and the ones that are restricted are totally worthless for 1 year.

16) Sterling assumes (*sigh*) that the “plus sign” in front of the UCAD dividend ratio (+.0000155) means that this ratio could be bigger. He also suggests that this ratio is a “temporary” figure that has been reported.

Uhhhh... no, sorry. The “+” means that these shares will be added to our accounts. And companies don’t submit a “worst case guess” for a dividend ratio, then change it later. What utter nonesense! No, what you do is figure out what the ratio will be and submit it. One time. Period.

Sterling is having the same denial problems that a lot of people are having. Look, the ratio for the UCAD dividend has been reported, PERIOD. DONE DEAL. COPE.

BTW, there is such a thing as a negative dividend. This is how a reverse split would appear. For example, a 2:1 reverse split would show up as a “-0.5” dividend, meaning that for every share of a stock that you hold, 1/2 of a share is taken away from you.

This is why they put the “+/-” in front of the ratio; to indicate whether the dividend is being paid TO you or being paid BY you.

17) Sterling thinks we’ll get 15 or more dividends. Who knows. We have 3 right now. Over the next 10 years, if the company is around that long, we probably will get over 15 dividends. Pure guess work again.

18) Sterling thinks CMKX is headed for the NYSE. Who knows. Urban and Roger and no one else, that’s who.

19) The notion that a cash dividend will drive the share price up to 10X or 20X of the cash dividend value is absolutely nuts. Koo Koo, Krazy for KoKoPuffs nuts. When a cash dividend is announced for a stock, especially a stock that does not regularly pay cash dividends, the value of the stock typically goes up by the amount of the announced dividend. So if a 0.10 dividend were announced, CMKX would go up to approximately 0.1004. Once the dividend is paid, the value of the stock will go down to 0.0004 again. That’s how cash dividends work. Go look at other stocks that occasionally pay dividends that are a large percentage of the stock’s pps. They pop up when the dividend is announced, and they pop back down just as fast on ex-div day.

So lets look at Sterlings thinking here. For example, lets look at the 0.20 figure. He says that the price could go up to 0.20 because, after all, you will get half your money back, and be left with this great stock with huge potential! Well, that’s not how normal investors will look at this. Most see this as a super-risky play that they would not normally touch with a 10 mile long stick. If the pps were at 0.20, what they would see is the opportunity to spend 0.20 for 1 share of a company that would pay them 0.10, then plunge instantly back to 0.0004. Oops, I just lost nearly 0.10 per share!

This is why the pps will only go up to the value of the dividend plus the market’s valuation of the stock at the time the dividend was announced, AT MOST. This is because it is common for a stock to go LOWER after the dividend is paid than it was before, because investors now know that the company is POORER than it was before, by the amount of the dividend. In other words, they know that the book value of the company is lower than it was before they gave out the dividend, by the total amount of the dividend.

20) How about this comparison with a savings account? Sterling suggests that the pps could go as high as $2 because you will make 5% on your money with a 0.10 dividend, and that’s better than what you will get from a savings account. Perhaps, but the amount of money in your savings account won’t go down after the interest is paid. The pps of such a stock most definitely will go down on ex-div day. A “normal” $2 stock will go down to $1.90 after paying a 0.10 dividend typically, unless it is very strong (meaning “in demand”, usually because it’s in a good sector and it is growing its earnings consistently).

If CMKX somehow managed to surge to $2 from 0.0004 based on a 0.10 dividend (impossible, but for sake of argument...), then after the dividend was paid, it would plunge right back into 0.0004 land. Ok, now you paid $2/share to make $0.10/share, and now your original $2/share is only worth $0.0004/share. Hmmmm... seems to me you didn’t make out too well there bub.

21) Again with the tender offer. Well, I hope we get a nice juicy TO as much as anyone else. Sterling is right that we need time to get as much out of a TO as possible. CMKX will get more money from a potential buyer if at least some of the mineral reserves are “proven” prior to negotiations. It would make sense to at least wait for core sample testing results to come back for the big “oreo” that we are currently drilling before making any final TO arrangements. Also, CMKX might be testing some of the other Carolyn samples now, and if this is the case, and they come back with great results, this would also be a big help during negotions. If a TO is going to happen, we all want to get TOP DOLLAR for our shares.

Now, as to whether a TO will happen... again, I say “Who knows?”. Urban and Roger and nobody else. Rumors about a TO turned out to be pure b/s last time, so as far as I’m concerned, I see no reason to believe any kind of a TO is in the works. If there is, great, otherwise, whatever.

22) Sterling is correct to point out that his “4 months from now” prediction of a TO is pure guess work. Four months ago we thought that by now we would all own a private island. Still, this is a reasonable guess because IMO results from the “oreo” (they should really name the pipe “oreo 1”, don’t you think?) will play a big role in negotiations (if a TO is even being considered). It will take about a month to get the core samples out of the ground and get them shipped off to the lab. It will take the lab at least 3 months to process the samples and get the results back to CMKX. Well, that’s 4 months.

23) Sterling sticks by his $2T valuation of CMKX. I think this is wrong. He came up with this by assuming that each acre of CMKX holdings is worth as much as each acre of the De Beers property, which Dr. Hutchinson said is worth between $40B and $80B total. Well, this is probably not true. It is likely that De Beers really has the best seat in the house. However, it is also true that the new-fangled survey shows that we have on the order of 100 kimberlite pipes on our properties, so it’s not unreasonable to presume that our holdings are worth (on a per acre basis) half of what the De Beers property is worth. Well, that makes CMKX a $1T company, which would mean a $2 pps with a 500B o/s. And of course this assumes that the commercial value of diamonds remains stable over several decades as the diamonds are brought out of the mines.

24) I know that my critique has been harsh. I’ve ripped as many holes in this thing as I could. Well, that’s just how I grade papers. I don’t hold back any punches because I believe in intellecual honesty and I have no patience for self delusion. That said, I really do respect Sterling and think he’s done wonderful things with his classroom and with his theories about what’s going on with CMKX. But lately I have been disagreeing with these theories of his more and more. Optimism is fine, but I have a problem with getting people’s hopes up with these extremely optimistic and unrealistic assumptions that seem to be getting more elaborate all the time. He falls into logical falacies and doesn’t understand some of the basics of how the stock market works, and that bothers me. He also makes a LOT of assumptions, and they are always slanted HARD on the optimistic side. This is why I don’t really pay much attention to what Sterling is saying these days. It’s just so far out in la la land as to not be worth reading really. I think Sterling is a smart guy, but like the rest of us he is starved for information, and this is IMO pushing him over the edge a bit. So just take what you see coming from Sterling with a big grain of salt. Some of it’s right, some of it is wrong, and all of it is VERY optimistic.

 

Press Release for Cmkm Diamond Inc

Emerging Stock Report: ESR Reports on CMKX
8/9/2004 10:53:41 AM

ESR will also be keeping their eyes on CMKM Diamonds, Inc ( CMKX ), the company has received all it`s permits to mobilize its drilling equipment to a new site located approximately 5 miles northwest of Kensington-DeBeers Kimberlite 122 and 6 1/2 miles northwest of Shore Gold Inc.'s Star Diamond Project in the Forte a La Corne, Saskatchewan. ESR will be tracking this company over the next month to see how this translates.
 

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Extended Quote (Real-Time) Option Chain • Help


Cmkm Diamonds Inc (CMKX)


Bid Ask Last 0.004
Open 0.0004 Close 0.0004 Change 0.0036
HIGH 0.004 Low 0.0003 % Change 900.00
Volume -822617574 Last Size 125000 B/A Size
Last Trade Mon Aug 09 2004 12:19:59
Asset Type Equity
P/E 52 Wk. High 52 Wk. Low
Quote Type Real-Time Exchange OTC

 

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Somebody just blew it...check this high...

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Cmkm Diamonds Inc (CMKX)


Bid Ask Last 0.004
Open 0.0004 Close 0.0004 Change 0.0036
HIGH 0.004 Low 0.0003 % Change 900.00
Volume -822617574 Last Size 125000 B/A Size
Last Trade Mon Aug 09 2004 12:19:59
Asset Type Equity
P/E 52 Wk. High 52 Wk. Low
Quote Type Real-Time Exchange OTC

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Yep, that has happened several times over the past month. The speculation is that the MM's are just bumping the price up for a split second to activate all Stop orders within that range and then they can turn around and buy them at market price. Just speculation though.
 

0.004 by mistake instead of 0.0004

once it's submitted somebody's account sure gets dinged
 

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Not just a typo on somebody's part, huh?

0.004 by mistake instead of 0.0004

once it's submitted somebody's account sure gets dinged

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It could be a typo. Remember, we're just speculating.

 

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There have been several 100 quantities in the past few minutes...take a look....some are at .0003 so they are not fake ones by people like us.... maybe they are starting to throw out warnings...

Time (EST) Volume Price Exchange Bought/Sold Tran/Type Legend
13:39:33 500000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:33 1000000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:30 2000000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:24 500000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:21 963009 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:15 100 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:15 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:06 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:06 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:03 994900 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:39:03 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:38:45 500000 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:38:27 7000000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:27 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:24 100 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:18 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:03 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:37:03 999898 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:36:57 999899 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:36:51 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:36:51 100 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:33 101 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:33 999899 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:27 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:09 995000 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:09 999999 0.0004 + OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:03 100 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:03 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB
13:35:03 999999 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB

Also one from earlier...
13:14:48 100 0.0003 - OTCEQ_NBB

 

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Just a thought while we wait. We have some hard evidence that can help us understand some of the possibilities and impossibilities with CMKX and it shares.

Many have been thinking that our high daily volume is due to the insiders selling off their shares and that this is crippling the PPS. If any selling is taking place by the insiders anywhere it is more than likely naked short shares that are beeing traded because the PR of Feb 2003 tells us that all insider shares are restricted shares with a 2 year restriction placed upon them.

The restrictions on those shares will not expire, if my calculations are correct based upon the reorganization of CMKI, until Jan 2005. This could also be why Urban’s 40 billion he kicked in were restricted and remained restricted as they were given to Nevada Minerals.

Usually a company follows a policy of issuing shares to insiders and once that policy is set it rarely changes. I mention this becaue it seems that Urbans way of doing business early on with shares also carried with it a restriction on those shares and it seems to be a 2 year restriction and not a 1 year. This could very well mean that none of those shares entering the market place are from our legitimate insiders O/S as restrictions would still be in place on these, but rather are illegal naked short shares flooding the market place.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Feb_24/ai_98002954

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 24, 2003
…Shares: all insiders have restricted stock. Shares for the Canadian Claims are restricted. Shares for the Survey and Drilling Fund are restricted. All share positions were disclosed on the 14c filed recently, and prior to that the audited financial statements. Al restricted shares are for 2 years pursuant to Rule 144.

I found this very interesting that in Feb 24, 2003 we have a PR from CMKX stating that:
1. ALL INSIDERS HAVE RESTRICTED STOCK.
2. Shares for all Canadian Claims are restricted shares
3. Shares for the drilling and Survey fund are restricted
4. All restricted shares are for 2 years – Meaning there was a 2 year restriction placed on
all restricted shares.

Also many have wondered why we think that CMKX has a naked short problem. Here are two PR’s released nearly18 months ago indicating that they had a naked short position way back then on the stock. One of them calls it a “professional trading positions” to be eradicated and the other one calls it an “aggressive shorting of the stock”. These are two very clear indicators on how long this shorting has been going on and I would say the NSS position is quite high, possibly a trillion or more due to the high volume even with the dividends coming. Compared to the volume percentages of other companies CMKX has a very high NSS position more than likely 2 to 3 times our entire O/S.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Feb_7/ai_97318609

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 6, 2003
The Company believes that its current stock price reflects aggressive shorting of its stock. The Company will be able to fund its drilling program from its current shareholder base.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Feb_24/ai_98002954

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 24, 2003
…There is no guarantee, however, that this proposed transaction will be consummated, although it is anticipated and welcomed by the Board to identify actual shareholders of the corporation and also to eradicate any professional trading positions that may exist at this time in the Company's stock.
…Shares: all insiders have restricted stock. Shares for the Canadian Claims are restricted. Shares for the Survey and Drilling Fund are restricted. All share positions were disclosed on the 14c filed recently, and prior to that the audited financial statements. Al restricted shares are for 2 years pursuant to Rule 144.

Just something else to weigh into your thinking of CMKX and maybe help discredit some of the bashers accusations against our leader and team members in the company. We have good things in store for us and we can only see a piece of this pie right now. I believe Urban and D. Roger Glenn are closing in on the big picture and we will have a clearer understanding in the very near future. Once the NSS position is out of the way there is clear sailing as far as I can see.

Our Saskatchewan adventure group comprised of Urban, Roger, and all of our JV partners I believe will yield some of the true value of CMKX and give birth to future expectations and events that will continue to unfold over the next few years. I believe everything is going according to plan and these oreos that are being targeted for CMKX are measuring a diametrical size and estimated volume that are humongous compared to some of the other pipes in the area.

We have a great infratructure in the area and the est revenue generated by one oreo with a diameter of 2 miles as we have seen can be in excess of $400 to $600 billion dollars gross. The est cost for removing the minerals is $10.50 per ton, but this is without any kind of infrastructure calculated in. We know we have a very good infrastructure in place around some of these cookies, such as the one we are working on this week so the cost per ton would be reduced by at least 25% in my estimations. The est cost of recovering these minerals would be $10.5 billion per 1 billion tons of kimberlite. And if you calculate a 25% reduction for infrastructure in place then the cost would drop to $7.875 billion per 1 billion tons of kimberlite.

We could be looking at 16 billion tons of kimberlite in an Oreo Pipe with a 2 mile diameter and the cost could be calculated as being
$168 billion dollars = $10.5 per ton X 16 billion tons
$126 billion dollars = $7.875 (with infrastructure in place) per ton X 16 billion tons

$22.625 billion dollars est revenue for ½ carat per ton of kimberlite recovered per each 1 billion tons of kimberlite recovered with an average carat price being $100 where the higher quality diamonds are est to be near $200 per carat or more. The size of the diamonds also moves the value of each up exponentially and usually the value increases 4 times per carat size.
This means a 1 carat diamond in the rough could be worth $100 - $200
But a 2 carat diamond in the rough could be worth upwards of $400 - $800
And a 3 carat diamond in the rough could be worth upwards of $1600 - $3200.
Etc… This is very much within the bounds of expectation for the Fort a la Corne area.
So the values could become multiplied many times over depending on the size of the
diamonds.

We are talking 16 billion tons of kimberlite in an Oreo of this size so we have to multiply the est 1 billion tons value of $22.625 billion dollars by 16.
$22.625 X 16 = $362 billion dollars (Plus any multiples because of diamond sizes)
subtract the recovery cost based on the $10.50 per ton removal and we see
$362 billion - $168 billion = $194 billion profit after costs.
This is not counting any other minerals in the pipe that can be processed and income generated on them are just an additional bonus to the profit after costs.

If we see this minimum calculation of $194 billion profit potential from 1 OREO pipe and our oreo pipes have been estimated at 100 with hundreds of other anomalies capable of producing fractionally below this Oreo then we are in great shape.

$194 billion X 10 Oreos = $1.94 Trillion dollars profit after cost

If we use the 25% infrastructure cost reduction percenatge we get:
$362 billion dollars - $126 billion dollars = $236 billion dollars and 10 Oreo pipes would bring $2.36 Trillion dollars.

Take the Net profit from 1 Oreo pipe of $194 billion dollars and break that down by a 500 billion possible O/S or A/S and you get a potential 38.8 cent cash dividend per share with hundreds more witing in the wings plus other minerals that we know are present and capable of generating additional income into any potential cash dividend that may be coming from these Oreo’s. Plus this will add true value to the company and the shares and our PPS would go out of sight in my opinion.

This isn’t hype or a nonsensical guess at what could be for us some where in the sweet bye and bye. Our boys are standing on the site and the drill rig is throwing out some RPM’s and should be boring away as I write this. I eagerly wait and aniticpate a successful core sample as we are all aware of the TDEM capabilities and I believe Roger, Urban and the team are very confident and expectations are high. News should come soon in my calculations.

These are just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.

Success is ours.

Dr.D

 

A. Next couple of days.

? Will CMKX join NASCAR?

A. No idea.

? What's coming out of the meeting.

A. No idea.

? Whats the meeting acout, mm's, drilling, etc.

A. I havent seen the agenda.

? Will you be at the Vegas party

A. Don't know

? Why did we buy a part of GEMM?

A. I cant answer that.

Post more as they come up.
 

A. Back to his cheerful lovable self.

?. When will we know the UCAD distribution

A. No comment

? When will we get the remaining Carolyn Pipe sample info?

A. I'm calling them this afternoon.

?. Where will this co. be one year from now.

A. I can't do that. I hope we're leaps & bounds ahead of right now.
 

A. No idea

? Do we have other drilling targets.

A. 109 of them

? Are we drilling for things other than diamonds.

A. Whatever comes out of the ground.

A. Yes

? Can the Goldak survey identify diamonds.

A. No, you have to drill to find them.

? What companys will be represented at the meeting.

A. I dont know

? Are the other minerals found in the kimberlite pipes.

A. No, they're found elsewhere.

? Our drilling rights expire in two years, do we have to bid on them again or are they automatically extended

A. As long as you work the land, you pay a small fee and they're extended another 2 years.

? Are you finding any other stones like ruby's?

A. no. we're looking for diamonds.
 

A. Yeppers.

? Will be open pit mining anytime soon

A. No

? Can we work all of our claims in 2 years.

A. No, it's impossible but we're going to give it a shot.

? When will you be able to put a value on CMKX.

A. Not until we're open pit mining.

He's done now, so am I!
 

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Originally posted by bill1352:
howdy folks...i've been wondering all day what this party in vegas is for. am i correct in remembering the date as the end of aug.?.

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It's the end of October. Here's a site for it. http://www.ourbusinessweb.com/cmkx/default.asp
 

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Originally posted by Upside:
[B]
? Will be open pit mining anytime soon

A. No

? Can we work all of our claims in 2 years.

A. No, it's impossible but we're going to give it a shot.

? When will you be able to put a value on CMKX.

A. Not until we're open pit mining.
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Wow, so we are looking at at least 2 years down the line for anything big to happen. I have been following attentively and doing my DD, but I am far from a mining expert.

Someone with some expertise, please share what open mining consists of and what you are able to extract with open mining vs surface mining.

Thanks!
 

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Originally posted by noahltl:
todpaulson
Several 100 quantities going thru Level II
« Thread started on: Today at 1:31pm »

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What is the significance of the 100 blocks at .0003?
 

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Originally posted by Razorman:
What is the significance of the 100 blocks at .0003?

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These are MM signals.

100 > I need shares

200 > I need shares badly but dont take it down to get them.

300 > Take the price down to get shares....

400 > Trade it sideways based on Supply and Demand

500 > Gap one way or the other, usually to the direction of the 500 trade. Sometimes -if in the middle -keep the price right where it is.
 

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Originally posted by bill1352:
howdy folks...i've been wondering all day what this party in vegas is for. am i correct in remembering the date as the end of aug.?. the post from another board adding common sence to sterlings whatever he posted was says as many have excepted the o/s is 483 billion and the plus is not the worst case split it is the split. i do believe that at one time not long ago there were huge amounts of naked shorts but something tells me that was covered or almost all was covered in that .001 run. i dont see cmkx giving out any new pr stating the o/s. they are probably trying to save face after melvin went nuts about the o/s not being 400 billion. maybe something good is coming between now and then that would deserve a party. i hope so. i think some secrecy is important not because of mm's and naked shorts but because of debeers and the power they hold over the diamond market. the o/s is out now so why not give us the break down. whats the insiders % and what is the float. unless they dont hold 51% it wouldn't hurt or change anything now. and nevada corp laws do have a loophole allowing major moves without a vote. it would seem that now is the time to come clean with the shareholders. most of us wouldn't sell no matter what now anyway

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Bill as much as I would like to think the party means we're all going to be rich by then, I believe that too much is being made of it.

Chris from UCAD was on Paltalk when all of the talk first started about the party. It was obvious from her discussion, that there is a party after every race for shareholders. There is a race in Vegas that weekend, and UCAD is sponsoring the party for shareholders. Since we will all be shareholders in UCAD by then, we are all invited. That was about it, it's just another party but is expected to be bigger because it is in their hometown. I'm not reading much into it, and only plan to go if we have seen a big profit on this stock by then.

For those of you who say it can't be done, please get out of the way for those who say it Can!!

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Opening Volumes - Today's the Largest...
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8/9 2,169,346,437

8/6 1,309,877,203

8/5 935,250,574

8/4 1,159,418,062

8/4 1,288,611,439

8/3 1,288,611,439

8/2 1,347,651,502

7/30 374,003,866

7/29 1,086,335,143

Hopefully, this is an indication of the MM's beginning to cover....

 

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...is setting your expectations too high.

Everyone (me too) wants this thing to succeed. But I'd much rather have $10M next year than $50K next week. And if it takes waiting for it for that long, so be it. I managed to get through 41 years without being a multi-millionaire, and one more won't hurt anything.

If you let yourself get all hyped up, you're setting yourself up for emotional investing, and subsequently smaller returns IMHO. You've all done your DD (I hope), and you know this is a company that's going somewhere. So why not sit back, enjoy the ride, keep yourself detached emotionally to the point of being surprised when good news happened, and financially head-straight to recognize when something truly worrisome pops up?

Investing is a game...some play well, and some...well, they go running home with their marbles, whining to their mamas.

Please be smart investors...

IMHO,
ChuckWheat
 

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Quick question for the board on the dividend dates. I emailed the OTCBB and asked what it meant by "Will not be quoted Ex." Here was the response. "It means that an ex dividend date will not be set on the issue."
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=CMKX&dDate=08/20/2004&sDateType=Record_date

So, I went to the Internet and searched for the terminology ex dividend date and this is what I found.

“The ex-dividend date is normally set for stocks two business days before the record date,” which coincides with the August 17th/18th date that everyone has been throwing around.
http://www.sec.gov/answers/dividen.htm

But further down in the link below it also states "Sometimes a company pays a dividend in the form of stock rather than cash. The stock dividend may be additional shares in the company or in a subsidiary being spun off. The procedures for stock dividends may be different from cash dividends. The ex-dividend date is set the first business day after the stock dividend is paid (and is also after the record date).

If you sell your stock before the ex-dividend date, you also are selling away your right to the stock dividend. Your sale includes an obligation to deliver any shares acquired as a result of the dividend to the buyer of your shares, since the seller will receive an I.O.U. or "due bill" from his or her broker for the additional shares. Thus, it is important to remember that the day you can sell your shares without being obligated to deliver the additional shares is not the first business day after the record date [August 21st], but usually is the first business day after the stock dividend is paid [September 25th]."

Could this potentially give the MM's an additional month to cover as the payment date is not set until the 24th of September? Time will tell I guess. I just wanted to make sure that people are aware of the dates as well so that if the pps doesn't start to rise August 20th or 21st that people do not panic and sell because as I interpret this it means that if I sell my CMKX shares prior to September 24th (payment date) I will not get my UCAD shares.

If I am incorrect in my interpretation please let me know.

Micho
 

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I would just like to say that I appreciate people that take the time to try to help others have ALL of the facts, not just what we would like to hear! There are people on this board, who say that you shouldn't attack people personally, it isn't nice. They shouldn't be calling people names, like basher, just because they say something that you might not want to hear! Personally, as a Christian, I think that people and their feelings, should come before money, because you can't take it with you, but then, that is just me, when I ask myself, WWJD? Thankyou Glassman, and Timberman, for your input! Here's one person who appreciates it! And Yes, I also own this stock!!

 

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Originally posted by highwaychild:
Melvin = Tommy Boy (the movie).It crackes me up how much he reminds me of Chris Farly.
Thanks Upman for the play-by-play.

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I liked Chris Farley. Too bad he died.

 

OOPS! Forgot to give the link: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040726/265647_1.html

Might want to point this out to Wallace!

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I am and have been aware of that lawsuit. If you are suggesting I am a basher, I suggest you need a new mental attitude.

In addition, there is not one item involved in that complaint with which I need to concern myself.

Please take your concerns elsewhere.

Thank you.
 

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will,

I am and have been aware of that lawsuit. If you are suggesting I am a basher, I suggest you need a new mental attitude.

In addition, there is not one item involved in that complaint with which I need to concern myself.

Please take your concerns elsewhere.

Thank you.

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You can STUFF IT along with your fellow CMKX CULT pumpers! Be sure to tell them to also tell Melvin that I have owned CMKX. And, as I have stated, if it goes down again to .0001/.0002 will probably buy again and then sell at a higher figure...if it ever gets any higher than it now is.

Also, I did notice that Upside did not do much DD as to whom it was that started all the insults every time. On the one with "abrasive", it did not bother him to insult in the first part of the 2nd sentence and then try to cover it by saying something positive. Upside, egg on your face? How about the insults that you referred to in your "out of the blue" crap?
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Now are you pumpers again going to say I originated this? I am sure you will! I am also sure of whom I will see responding.

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http://www.otcbb.com/aboutOTCBB/secrules.stm#SECRule10b-17
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10b-17 Untimely Announcements of Record Dates

It shall constitute a "manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance" as used in Section 10(b) of the Act for any issuer of a class of securities publicly traded by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to fail to give notice in accordance with paragraph (b) hereof of the following actions relating to such class of securities:

A dividend or other distribution in cash or in kind, except an ordinary interest payment on a debt security, but including a dividend or distribution of any security of the same or another issuer;

A stock split or reverse split; or

A rights or other subscription offering.

Notice shall be deemed to have been given in accordance with this section only if:

Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes:

Title of the security to which the declaration relates;

Date of declaration;

Date of record for determining holders entitled to receive the dividend or other distribution or to participate in the stock or reverse split;

Date of payment or distribution or, in the case of a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering, the date of delivery;

For a dividend or other distribution including a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering:

In cash, the amount of cash to be paid or distributed per share, except if exact per share cash distributions cannot be given because of existing conversion rights which may be exercised during the notice period and which may affect the per share cash distribution, then a reasonable approximation of the per share distribution may be provided so long as the actual per share distribution is subsequently provided on the record date,

In the same security, the amount of the security outstanding immediately prior to and immediately following the dividend or distribution and the rate of the dividend or distribution,

In any other security of the same issuer, the amount to be paid or distributed and the rate of the dividend or distribution,

In any security of another issuer, the name of the issuer and title of that security, the amount to be paid or distributed, and the rate of the dividend or distribution and if that security is a right or a warrant, the subscription price,

In any other property (including securities not covered under paragraphs (b)(1)(v)(b) through (d) of this section) the identity of the property and its value and basis for assigning that value;

Method of settlement of fractional interests;

Details of any condition which must be satisfied or Government approval which must be secured to enable payment of distribution; and in

The case of stock or reverse split in addition to the aforementioned information;

The name and address of the transfer or exchange agent; or

The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or

Given in accordance with procedures of the national securities exchange or exchanges upon which a security of such issuer is registered pursuant to Section 12 of the Act which contain requirements substantially comparable to those set forth in paragraph (b)(1) of this section.

The provisions of this rule shall not apply, however, to redeemable securities issued by open-end investment companies and unit investment trusts registered with the Commission under the Investment Company Act of 1940.

It looks more like you are the Mr.Hyde. Now your true colors have come out! You couldn't even be honorable enough to determine who instigated all the insults...including yourself. I don't care if you or anyone else on this CMKX CULT thread responds to my posts. However, if anyone of the amateurs (or some who claims to have been trading most of his adult life), any of the pumpers, any of the so-called christians or anyone else attacks or insults me I WILL RESPOND IN KIND! All you people ever had to do was stop the crap! The burden and responsibility is on YOU!

By the way, Upside, if you have been trading for most of your adult life as you stated on another thread, you should not have to ask questions about dividend dates as you did on the previous page.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 09, 2004).]
 

See even Debi is getting pulled in to
lowering her standards.

If I had $15,000+ on the line I might
get into the cheerleader section as well.

I do have to ask a question though is
Noahltl related to Doji? or is Money_P
a close relative.

sad days

I am 7.5M strong and have in my order for
more if it dips...

This company has a lot of potential. I know
I can live without the bash and the bashing
of anyone who asks a reasonable question
or makes an observation that might appear
a bit on the negative side.

There is a lot of info about this company that is positive and equally amounts of information that is disturbing.

Sit back take a chill and enjoy the ride.
 

thanks again

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This is a little long but worth the read of you follow any of Sterling's predictions and theories. I respect Sterling but I have to admit, some of his posts are OUT THERE baby. The post below was from PennyWrangler in reponse to Sterling's post titled CMKX-Operation Dividends...

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Ok. lets take this one step at a time here, like I do in my PR reviews...

1) The idea that dividends can force naked shorts to cover is correct IMO. I think we are all quite familiar with this idea. Basically, when you hold a short position, you must pay any dividends on that short position, whether it’s naked or not. This is because shorting always creates the illusion that more shares exist than really do.

For anyone unfamiliar with how this works, I’ll give a brief example. Joe owns 1 share of XYZ corp. Shortie thinks XYZ corp is over-valued and that the pps will go down. So, Shortie borrows 1 share of XYZ corp from Joe. Joe does NOT know that this has happened. He still sees 1 share of XYZ in his brokerage account. Ok, Shortie takes that share he borrowed and sells it. Lets say Sam bought it. Now both Joe and Sam think that they own 1 share of XYZ. So this 1 share looks like 2 shares now.

Ok, now XYZ offers a dividend. Lets say they offer 1 share of ABC stock for every share of XYZ stock someone holds. Both Joe and Sam are delighted that they will get 1 share of ABC. When the dividend is paid, XYZ corp pays Sam 1 share of ABC. Joe also gets 1 share of ABC, which was bought by Shortie and delivered by Shortie into Joe’s account.

Shortie could have avoided having to do this if he had bought 1 share of XYZ and given it back to Joe, eliminating his short position. This is called “covering”. Shortie would have to do this before the “ex-div” date, which is usually 3 days before the “record” date. For purposes of the UCAD dividend, the “record” date is 8/20.

The only difference between this and naked shorting is that, if Shortie had opened a “naked" short position, he would have sold 1 share of XYZ to Sam, and kinda promised that some day he would borrow that share from somewhere and actually deliver it to Sam. Since Sam never REALLY takes posession of that share of XYZ (although it shows up in his account as if it really existed), it is up to Shortie to pay him any dividends that he has coming to him.

If Shortie has sold a LOT of shares naked short like this, he’s going to have to cough up a LOT of shares of ABC. Those cost money, and the fact that dividends are coming out really make Shortie question whether shorting XYZ was really a good idea anyway. So Shortie will often choose to cover rather than pay the dividend.

Also, if XYZ offers a dividend in the form of stock in a company that is not publicly traded (like CIM for example), then Shortie is really in a bind. He CAN’T buy shares of CIM to deliver to all the Sams he sold shares to. It is impossible; he just can’t do it. So he has to cover. If he doesn’t then he’s in trouble, cuz demz da rules.

Sorry for the digression, but folks new to this really have to understand this process for any discussion of a naked short sqeeze to make any sense at all.

2) Ok, so this “operation dividends” thing suggests that offering dividends will help eliminate the naked short position. I agree, especially with the CIM dividend. The UCAD dividend should work nicely too, because the UCAD float is very small. There are very few shares available for Shorties to buy to pay to all the Sams out there. So far so good.

3) Early on Sterling suggests a cash dividend. I’ll say right now that everyone would love to get a cash dividend, but I see no reason to expect one any time soon. Just does not make any sense that the company would send cash our way when they could use it for drilling operations, equipment, and company/mining-rights acquisitions. Sterling offers nothing of substance to change my mind about this. It might happen, and if it does I’ll be a happy camper just like every other shareholder, but I’m not holding my breath because it really doesn’t make business sense to me.

4) A cash dividend is not more likely to cause short covering than a share dividend. It’s actually a lot harder to come up with shares to distribute than cash. So IMO a share dividend is a MUCH more effective way to force short covering than a cash dividend.

5) Sterling suggests that UCAD and GEMM are going to a major exchange. Possible, but I see no indications of this at this time. This looks like pure speculation.

6) Sterling keeps talking about the “date of execution”. I have figured out from context that what he means is “date of record”. When talking about dividends, there are only 3 dates of significance:

a) ex-div date -- First day to buy shares and NOT be eligible for the dividend. Usually 3 days before the "record" date because it generaly takes 3 days for trades to "settle".

b) record date -- Date on which you MUST be a shareholder of record in order to be eligible for the dividend. If you buy before the ex-div date and hold the shares through the record date, you will get the dividend. Technically you don’t really have to hold the shares even this long, but I don’t like to push my luck with such things...

c) distribution date -- Date that the dividend is actually paid. It is not uncommon for the payment (stocks or money) to not actually show up in your account until the day AFTER the distribution date in my experience.

So, there’s no such thing as an “execution” date, unless you are found guilty of murder in Texas... Sterling means the “record” date.

7) Fruitages? LOL!

8) The explanation for the large o/s is, to be polite, ludicrous. Sterling suggests that Urban created a gargantuan o/s because he wanted to help as many people as possible. He also suggests that a smaller o/s would not help as many people because a small number of people would accumulate most of the o/s.

Utter nonesense. No businessman would think like this for one thing. It’s one thing to respect your shareholders and want to reward them. It’s quite another to believe that Urban’s primary goal is to provide welfare. Sterling suggests that 1M shares would not be enough to ensure good liquidity. Yeah, that’s true, but 10B would be PLENTY. With a smaller o/s, the pps would be proportionately higher, and people would buy less because it would cost more. The same number of people would end up with about the same percentage ownership of CMKX with an o/s of 10B as would for an o/s of 500B.

We have a large o/s because CMKX is a junior mining company that needs money for exploration and has no source of revenue yet. It may also be true that the a/s was jacked up to enable Urban to grab enough shares to protect CMKX from takeover by De Beers. Also always remember that “counterfeit” shares created by naked shorts are NOT part of the “official” o/s, which is what is being discussed here.

9) Sterling suggests that we will get 49% of any transaction, whether this be cash or shares. This is pure guess work and I think this is very unlikely. For one thing, we haven’t seen this happen with ANY of the transactions to which we are privy. Consider the transactions and dividends we’ve seen so far:

a) UCAD is giving CMKX 7.5M shares. CMKX is giving 100% (note, NOT 49%) of these shares to shareholders via a dividend.

b) UCAD gave CMKX $3M to exercise their option. We have not gotten a PR saying that we get ANY of this money, so right now we’re looking at getting 0% of this transaction.

c) GEMM is giving CMKX 49% of it’s o/s (assuming CMKX exersises their option on the remaining 25% of GEMM, which I think they will do). However, if you run the numbers (see my review of this PR) you will see that shareholders are NOT getting all of this. CMKX is retaining 7% and giving us 42% of the GEMM o/s. So again, NOT 49%.

d) CIM is giving CMKX 40B shares. The PR from 7/19/04 implies that 100% of this will go to shareholders in a dividend.

So, I really don’t see where Sterling is getting this “shareholders get 49% of everything” stuff from.

Plus, as I and others have said before, it makes a lot more sense for CMKX to keep it’s cash right now to fund exploration efforts.

10) Sterling says that he assumes that the CMKX float is 40B because of the wording of the CIM dividend PR. I must assume that he is referring to this PR saying that the CIM shares will be distributed “pro rata”. Well, I hate to tell ya that “pro rata” just means “in proportion too, as determined by a specific factor” (http://www.investorwords.com/5735/pro_rata.html). Well, the factor can be anything, so assuming that this means 1:1 is just wishful thinking. Now, the float may very well be on the order of 40B, but I think it’s closer to 100B personally. Certainly the language of the CIM dividend PR does not provide any clues; it just happens to say “pro rata”, when in fact ALL dividends are given pro rata, whether they bother to say so or not!

11) Sterling suggests that Urban will specify that only non-restricted shares will get these dividends. By this he means that Urban, his family, private investors, and companies getting CMKX shares (like Nevada Minerals) will not be eligible for these dividends. Essentially this means that only the “float” would get the dividends; no one else. Obviously if the public float is some figure between 40B and 100B, this would put a lot more shares in our accounts than if these dividends are paid on the entire 483 o/s.

Well, this is a lovely thought, but yet another case of extremely optimistic thinking that, IMO, has no basis in reality. If this in fact happens, I’ll be thrilled, but I see no reason to believe this is the case. Sterling doesn’t offer any reason for why he thinks this will happen either, other than Urban is a really nice guy. We’ll see.

12) Sterling assumes (there’s that word again) that the 75B shares given to Nevada Minerals is 49% of the o/s, and Urban and insiders hold 51% of the o/s. Well, this fits nicely with Sterling’s zero float theory, but otherwise again has no basis in reality. There’s just no reason to believe this. About all you can surmise is that 75B is less than half the o/s, because I’m pretty sure Urban would not give controlling interest in his company to Nevada Minerals. So, as I have discussed elsewhere, the o/s simply MUST be larger than 150B. But there is no reason to assume that it is exacty 150B + 1 shares. This is just a minimum figure based on the NM PR.

13) The calculation of the 153,061,224,489 shares is again nonesense. Look, the only point here is that Nevada Minerals simply must not get controlling interest in CMKX. It is not necessary for the number of shares given to them to be 49%. It is necessary that the number of shares given to them be less than 50%. The smallest number of shares required to be in the o/s for this to be true, given that NM was given 75B shares, is 150,000,000,001. Simple as that. Sterling’s math error is based on the notion that these percentages have to be whole numbers. Nope... they can be fractional.

14) The $15 dollar figure for UCAD’s pps is, you guessed it, optimistic. Yeah, it will go up if good things happen for UCAD, but you can’t count on it. We know for a fact that we are getting restricted shares of UCAD; we won’t be able to sell them for a year after we get them. There is no way to predict what UCAD’s pps will be in the fall of 2005. Might be better, might be worse. Best you can do is just use the $6 figure that it’s trading at now when thinking about the value of the UCAD dividend. The same goes for any share dividend.

15) Sterling plays around with some Excell spreadsheet “what if” kinds of calculations to show what your shares are worth given different o/s figures. Cute, but nothing new. Basically if the o/s is anywhere near where I think it is, no one is getting much out of any of these dividends. But hey, it’s more than we had before and they didn’t have to give us anything, so I’m not complaining. I’m just saying these dividends are not going to enable us to quit our day jobs, and the ones that are restricted are totally worthless for 1 year.

16) Sterling assumes (*sigh*) that the “plus sign” in front of the UCAD dividend ratio (+.0000155) means that this ratio could be bigger. He also suggests that this ratio is a “temporary” figure that has been reported.

Uhhhh... no, sorry. The “+” means that these shares will be added to our accounts. And companies don’t submit a “worst case guess” for a dividend ratio, then change it later. What utter nonesense! No, what you do is figure out what the ratio will be and submit it. One time. Period.

Sterling is having the same denial problems that a lot of people are having. Look, the ratio for the UCAD dividend has been reported, PERIOD. DONE DEAL. COPE.

BTW, there is such a thing as a negative dividend. This is how a reverse split would appear. For example, a 2:1 reverse split would show up as a “-0.5” dividend, meaning that for every share of a stock that you hold, 1/2 of a share is taken away from you.

This is why they put the “+/-” in front of the ratio; to indicate whether the dividend is being paid TO you or being paid BY you.

17) Sterling thinks we’ll get 15 or more dividends. Who knows. We have 3 right now. Over the next 10 years, if the company is around that long, we probably will get over 15 dividends. Pure guess work again.

18) Sterling thinks CMKX is headed for the NYSE. Who knows. Urban and Roger and no one else, that’s who.

19) The notion that a cash dividend will drive the share price up to 10X or 20X of the cash dividend value is absolutely nuts. Koo Koo, Krazy for KoKoPuffs nuts. When a cash dividend is announced for a stock, especially a stock that does not regularly pay cash dividends, the value of the stock typically goes up by the amount of the announced dividend. So if a 0.10 dividend were announced, CMKX would go up to approximately 0.1004. Once the dividend is paid, the value of the stock will go down to 0.0004 again. That’s how cash dividends work. Go look at other stocks that occasionally pay dividends that are a large percentage of the stock’s pps. They pop up when the dividend is announced, and they pop back down just as fast on ex-div day.

So lets look at Sterlings thinking here. For example, lets look at the 0.20 figure. He says that the price could go up to 0.20 because, after all, you will get half your money back, and be left with this great stock with huge potential! Well, that’s not how normal investors will look at this. Most see this as a super-risky play that they would not normally touch with a 10 mile long stick. If the pps were at 0.20, what they would see is the opportunity to spend 0.20 for 1 share of a company that would pay them 0.10, then plunge instantly back to 0.0004. Oops, I just lost nearly 0.10 per share!

This is why the pps will only go up to the value of the dividend plus the market’s valuation of the stock at the time the dividend was announced, AT MOST. This is because it is common for a stock to go LOWER after the dividend is paid than it was before, because investors now know that the company is POORER than it was before, by the amount of the dividend. In other words, they know that the book value of the company is lower than it was before they gave out the dividend, by the total amount of the dividend.

20) How about this comparison with a savings account? Sterling suggests that the pps could go as high as $2 because you will make 5% on your money with a 0.10 dividend, and that’s better than what you will get from a savings account. Perhaps, but the amount of money in your savings account won’t go down after the interest is paid. The pps of such a stock most definitely will go down on ex-div day. A “normal” $2 stock will go down to $1.90 after paying a 0.10 dividend typically, unless it is very strong (meaning “in demand”, usually because it’s in a good sector and it is growing its earnings consistently).

If CMKX somehow managed to surge to $2 from 0.0004 based on a 0.10 dividend (impossible, but for sake of argument...), then after the dividend was paid, it would plunge right back into 0.0004 land. Ok, now you paid $2/share to make $0.10/share, and now your original $2/share is only worth $0.0004/share. Hmmmm... seems to me you didn’t make out too well there bub.

21) Again with the tender offer. Well, I hope we get a nice juicy TO as much as anyone else. Sterling is right that we need time to get as much out of a TO as possible. CMKX will get more money from a potential buyer if at least some of the mineral reserves are “proven” prior to negotiations. It would make sense to at least wait for core sample testing results to come back for the big “oreo” that we are currently drilling before making any final TO arrangements. Also, CMKX might be testing some of the other Carolyn samples now, and if this is the case, and they come back with great results, this would also be a big help during negotions. If a TO is going to happen, we all want to get TOP DOLLAR for our shares.

Now, as to whether a TO will happen... again, I say “Who knows?”. Urban and Roger and nobody else. Rumors about a TO turned out to be pure b/s last time, so as far as I’m concerned, I see no reason to believe any kind of a TO is in the works. If there is, great, otherwise, whatever.

22) Sterling is correct to point out that his “4 months from now” prediction of a TO is pure guess work. Four months ago we thought that by now we would all own a private island. Still, this is a reasonable guess because IMO results from the “oreo” (they should really name the pipe “oreo 1”, don’t you think?) will play a big role in negotiations (if a TO is even being considered). It will take about a month to get the core samples out of the ground and get them shipped off to the lab. It will take the lab at least 3 months to process the samples and get the results back to CMKX. Well, that’s 4 months.

23) Sterling sticks by his $2T valuation of CMKX. I think this is wrong. He came up with this by assuming that each acre of CMKX holdings is worth as much as each acre of the De Beers property, which Dr. Hutchinson said is worth between $40B and $80B total. Well, this is probably not true. It is likely that De Beers really has the best seat in the house. However, it is also true that the new-fangled survey shows that we have on the order of 100 kimberlite pipes on our properties, so it’s not unreasonable to presume that our holdings are worth (on a per acre basis) half of what the De Beers property is worth. Well, that makes CMKX a $1T company, which would mean a $2 pps with a 500B o/s. And of course this assumes that the commercial value of diamonds remains stable over several decades as the diamonds are brought out of the mines.

24) I know that my critique has been harsh. I’ve ripped as many holes in this thing as I could. Well, that’s just how I grade papers. I don’t hold back any punches because I believe in intellecual honesty and I have no patience for self delusion. That said, I really do respect Sterling and think he’s done wonderful things with his classroom and with his theories about what’s going on with CMKX. But lately I have been disagreeing with these theories of his more and more. Optimism is fine, but I have a problem with getting people’s hopes up with these extremely optimistic and unrealistic assumptions that seem to be getting more elaborate all the time. He falls into logical falacies and doesn’t understand some of the basics of how the stock market works, and that bothers me. He also makes a LOT of assumptions, and they are always slanted HARD on the optimistic side. This is why I don’t really pay much attention to what Sterling is saying these days. It’s just so far out in la la land as to not be worth reading really. I think Sterling is a smart guy, but like the rest of us he is starved for information, and this is IMO pushing him over the edge a bit. So just take what you see coming from Sterling with a big grain of salt. Some of it’s right, some of it is wrong, and all of it is VERY optimistic.

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Originally posted by WorkAHolic:

I liked Chris Farley. Too bad he died.

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Yea, that's too bad.
I think if Chris were alive today he'd say...
If you don't get CMKK,YOU'LL BE LIVIN' IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER.
And just to be pc...
If you get CMKX,YOU'LL BE LIVIN' IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER.
Just kiddin' around.

You guys are now officially part of the "CMKX pumper cult". Congratulations!

Upside, thanks for the Paltalk transcript.
 

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By the way, Upside, if you have been trading for most of your adult life as you stated on another thread, you should not have to ask questions about dividend dates as you did on the previous page.

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Ok Wallace, one last time to humor you. I have been in the market since I was 16, however I have only been in the micro pennys for a little over a year. Please copy and paste my question from the other day so I know what you are referring to.

[This message has been edited by Upside (edited August 09, 2004).]
 

Wallace, although you and I fundamentally don't see eye to eye on this stock I think it's safe to say we've been able to stay away from taking shots at each other. I respect your comments when they bring thought provoking information or ideas we should consider. But you, as well as others, have succeeded in taking juvenile shots at each other that brings absolutely zero to the table for people reading this thread. I have to point out that all was relatively quiet today with regards to the "basher vs pumper" mentality that seems to be prevalent until you entered the thread again. Please understand, I don't necessarily agree with 100% of either side of the coin on this stock as I feel like I look at it pretty objectively. But from my vantage point it looks as though you continue to stir the pot needlessly in an effor to defend yourself and I think you do yourself a diservice.

My suggestion is to keep with the due diligence regardless whether it's good or bad and stop feeling like you have to combat everyone. The personal insults, even if provoked by someone else, only brings you down to a level where people lose respect in you, regardless of your true intentions.

Just some friendly advice. Take it or leave it.
 

How about going back and check out the instigators first. First step is what you were referring to in your "out of the blue" comment. There's no question there and it should be easy for you to locate. Then, the others, one of which you found. Go back beyond your "abrasive" insult and determine who instigated my responses. Go back beyond your "Mr.Hyde" insult and determine who instigated my responses.

How about being some kind of man with honor.

I do not need your humor either. From what I have seen, it is not very funny.
 

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Upside and Will,

You guys are now officially part of the "CMKX pumper cult". Congratulations!

Upside, thanks for the Paltalk transcript.

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Upside,
How about going back and check out the instigators first. First step is what you were referring to in your "out of the blue" comment. There's no question there and it should be easy for you to locate. Then, the others, one of which you found. Go back beyond your "abrasive" insult and determine who instigated my responses. Go back beyond your "Mr.Hyde" insult and determine who instigated my responses.

How about being some kind of man with honor.

I do not need your humor either. From what I have seen, it is not very funny.

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You sir are no longer worthy of my time. Enjoy your life.

 

I HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE

My initial position on this information was "screw the short/bashers. they don't deserve to know this and I'd rather they be caught offguard if anything I have found out actually turns out true." Ultimately, given the bluntness of their attacks and my conviction today that this ball is rolling and cannot be stopped, I feel it in the best interests for me to share what I have uncovered with everyone.

A few disclaimers first. EVERYTHING contained herein is public information that I have obtained by simple searches online. Just a lot of dot connecting with publicly available information. I've provided all the links. I have not been tipped off by anyone and, in fact, have seen every one of these companies below touched on by a post online at some point. (Oddly enough TSX Miner actually tipped off the big gun). Second, I have no idea if ANY of this has any actual connection to CMKX. I present it for you to evaluate and reach your own conclusions. Personally, I find it compelling. You may not. How you treat this information is up to you. I am just posting what I have found. Again, there could be ZERO connection to CMKX within. You decide how to interpret this info. I may have nailed this and, conversely, I may have found NOTHING of any relevance. Only time and formal PRs by the company will tell.

Onwards we go.

First things first, I've already mentioned that I have some suspicions of uranium being somehow involved here. From what I have uncovered, this region of Canada (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan) is one of, if not THE, richest uranium regions in the world. It is no surprise that Cameco, the #1 uranium producer in the world, is headquartered here. ( http://www.cameco.com ) I have always figured that if any rights were to be sold off, this would be a key one to sell because uranium is so highly specialized and regulated. I just didn't think it was something that Urban or any of his family probably would care to deal with. So that being the case, my first logical conclusion was any uranium producer in the area might be interested. That lead me naturally to Cameco. But that's a pretty big leap without some kind of tie.

Now at the same time, I began looking more deeply into our Canadian JV partners wondering whether they had anything more to offer us than just some drilling money. I knew Rick Walker was involved in UCAD and also held officer positions at all three of our other JV partners (Carina, Pine, and Shane). So then I began dissecting all three of these JV partners knowing that something was obviously brewing with a merger of sorts. I mean, come on, Rick Walker is pres. of all 4 of our JV partners? Pretty obvious that SOMETHING was cooking. I just didn't (and don't) know what. But this lead me to look more closely at anyone else involved in those Canadian JV partners.

I came up with Rick Kusmirski. He's the only other director (besides Walker) listed for United Carina. ( http://www.unitedcarina.com )

He is the only other director I could find for Consolidated Pine Channel outside of Rick Walker. ( http://www.jnrresources.com/s/ManagementProfile.asp )

Now a little background about Rick. He was the project manager for Cameco in their Athabasca Basin region exploration program. ( http://www.jnrresources.com/s/ManagementProfile.asp ) And he is the current President of JNR Resources which holds a JV agreement for uranium exploration in the Athabasca Basin region. Do minimal research on Athabasca Basin and you will find that it is considered probably the world's richest location for uranium. Number one. Naturally I saw something developing here. One of our chief guys among our Canadian JV partners wasn't just the exploration manager for Cameco, the #1 uranium producer in the world, he was their project manager for Cameco's #1 location -- the Athabasca Basin. I'd say this makes him what I would term a "heavy hitter" in the uranium business. And he is tightly woven into two of our Canadian JVs. I personally felt this was a pretty tight connection. But then I went further.

I mentioned that Rick Kusmirski is also the president of JNR Resources (trading as JNN on the Vancouver Exchange). ( http://www.jnrresources.com )

JNR Resources has two prominent JVs with International Uranium Corporation (trading as IUC on the Toronto Exchange). Now things get interesting. Just two weeks ago, the President of IUC became a director on the board at JNR Resources. ( http://www.resourceworldmag.com/news.cfm?show=newsresults,quote&id=232388&pfmt=1 ) I would say this makes for a VERY tight connection between IUC and JNR. There are only 4 directors at JNR. And one is the president of IUC. Well, naturally, this led me to look further into what Hochstein and IUC might be bringing to the table.

And that is when I was blown away. IUC is considered one of 11 corporations owned primarily by what are referred to as the Lundin Group. They are a multi-billion dollar family holding a collection of mineral and natural resource companies that leaves your mouth gaping. Here is a large PDF file that you can pull up all their information from ( http://www.intluranium.com/data/LundinGroupSummary.pdf )

IUC is one of their babies. And in fact, the largest shareholder of IUC is Adolf Lundin ( http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/uciuc.html ). Adolf Lundin in fact I found out is the senior Lundin that basically is president, chair, or director of practically all their holdings along with his sons Ian and Lukas.
By the way, the Lundins also own Lundin-Petroleum ( www.lundin-petroleum.com ) should we have any oil/gas rights Urban wants to sell. Heck, the Lundins own a piece of just about every natural resource known to man (although conspicuously no diamond company).

Now when I was doing my search on IUC, I came upon this link ( http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/uciuc.html ) where I noticed that their US office was headquarted in Colorado. Hmmmm. Not far from Nevada. Wouldn't that be a coincidence if they too filed some kind of corporate articles at the same time as De Beers. So I checked the Nevada corporate listings and unfortunately found nothing. But thinking maybe they filed in the state they are headquartered in, I went ahead and checked Colorado. I did a search for Lundin. I pulled up Lundin Investments LLC. Articled filed on June 10, 2004. 2 weeks after De Beers filed in Nevada. One week after Roger joined CMKX.

What do I see? I see that outside of Rick Walker, the man apparently second in command among our Canadian JV partners is Rick Kusmirski. A former Cameco bigwig who happens to have the president of one of Lundin's corporations on his board of directors at his other Uranium project, JNR Resources. I guess what will be debated is whether you think this is a strong link or not. My personal opinion is that if our property is rich in uranium, oil/gas, and any other precious metals or resources, Mr. Kusmirski has some connections that will not only know it, but will be very interested in it. I also personally question how some are dismissing TDEM and the Goldak survey as simply "informing us that we have kimberlite". If that's all that did, IMO, why would we waste our money on such an advanced, state of the art survey. That post I put up the other day about TDEM was enlightening. I think they know a lot more from our property than the fact that we just have some cool looking kimberlites. There are some people in fact that beleive with TDEM (thus possibly the importance of THAT release), we may know EXACTLY what we have and EXACTLY where it is and EXACTLY how much of it is there. That is all debatable and I don't doubt for a spit-second that TSXMiner and all the bashers will jump on this assumption immediately. But that's fine. I just raise it as a talking point for everyone. Do some research into TDEM and its capabilities. I know some people that have. I have my opinions. Maybe you'll have yours.

Again, the above is all for your digestion. Everything is public. And maybe some bright people here will find new connections from the above that I completely missed that make this evidence stronger. Again, for all I know, Urban and CMKX have never contacted or been contacted by Cameco or IUC or any of the Lundins. Given the above, however, if we have uranium, oil/gas and more, I'd be very surprised if Mr. Kusmirski didn't facilitate an introduction for us.

Perhaps there's a lot more going down in Canada this week with Roger's attendance than anyone suspects. Perhaps our Canadian JVs were underestimated in their importance. I know TSX Miner is of the opinion that "Mr. Kusmirski hates Urban." That's fine. That's his opinion. And frankly TSXMiner has seemed like the most objective set of eyes on this board (personally I still say he is a pure basher with his recent concession to our kimberlite as trying to make him seem a more credible basher). Plus, even if Mr. Kusmirski didn't care for Urban, money is a powerful motivator to set aside differences. I admit to not knowing the mining community up there but I certainly would never take TSX Miner's commentary on that relationship as having much worth. Just my opinion on that.

What is happening with our JVs? Time will tell. Did I hit any real, relevant connections above? Time will tell. I am sharing all this info as food for thought as we get deeper and deeper into this mystery novel.

For tonight, I post this for you to consider. I will not be responding to any replies. Debate amongst yourselves. I already have my opinions. I am sticking to my belief that extensive posting is no longer relevant here. So this is my one post today. It is not about a company PR but it is what I considered relevant enough to merit posting. I hope it was helpful. Catch you tomorrow.

Z

As always, these are my personal opinions.

continued...

What do I see? I see that outside of Rick Walker, the man apparently second in command among our Canadian JV partners is Rick Kusmirski. A former Cameco bigwig who happens to have the president of one of Lundin's corporations on his board of directors at his other Uranium project, JNR Resources. I guess what will be debated is whether you think this is a strong link or not. My personal opinion is that if our property is rich in uranium, oil/gas, and any other precious metals or resources, Mr. Kusmirski has some connections that will not only know it, but will be very interested in it. I also personally question how some are dismissing TDEM and the Goldak survey as simply "informing us that we have kimberlite". If that's all that did, IMO, why would we waste our money on such an advanced, state of the art survey. That post I put up the other day about TDEM was enlightening. I think they know a lot more from our property than the fact that we just have some cool looking kimberlites. There are some people in fact that beleive with TDEM (thus possibly the importance of THAT release), we may know EXACTLY what we have and EXACTLY where it is and EXACTLY how much of it is there. That is all debatable and I don't doubt for a spit-second that TSXMiner and all the bashers will jump on this assumption immediately. But that's fine. I just raise it as a talking point for everyone. Do some research into TDEM and its capabilities. I know some people that have. I have my opinions. Maybe you'll have yours.

Again, the above is all for your digestion. Everything is public. And maybe some bright people here will find new connections from the above that I completely missed that make this evidence stronger. Again, for all I know, Urban and CMKX have never contacted or been contacted by Cameco or UIC or any of the Lundins. Given the above, however, if we have uranium, oil/gas and more, I'd be very surprised if Mr. Kusmirski didn't facilitate an introduction for us.

Perhaps there's a lot more going down in Canada this week with Roger's attendance than anyone suspects. Perhaps our Canadian JVs were underestimated in their importance. I know TSX Miner is of the opinion that "Mr. Kusmirski hates Urban." That's fine. That's his opinion. And frankly TSXMiner has seemed like the most objective set of eyes on this board (personally I still say he is a pure basher with his recent concession to our kimberlite as trying to make him seem a more credible basher). Plus, even if Mr. Kusmirski didn't care for Urban, money is a powerful motivator to set aside differences. I admit to not knowing the mining community up there but I certainly would never take TSX Miner's commentary on that relationship as having much worth. Just my opinion on that.

What is happening with our JVs? Time will tell. Did I hit any real, relevant connections above? Time will tell. I am sharing all this info as food for thought as we get deeper and deeper into this mystery novel.

For tonight, I post this for you to consider. I will not be responding to any replies. Debate amongst yourselves. I already have my opinions. I am sticking to my belief that extensive posting is no longer relevant here. So this is my one post today. It is not about a company PR but it is what I considered relevant enough to merit posting. I hope it was helpful. Catch you tomorrow.

Z

As always, these are my personal opinions.

Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.



 

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I was reading the transcript Upside posted and I noticed that our mineral claims seem to expire within 2 years unless some sort of "work" is done on the land. My question is are our claim somehow divided into sections or does CMKX just own one big claim for 1.9 million acres? If there were sections, it seems like some sort of drilling work would have to be done on each patch of land in order for our claims not to expire but if they're all "connected" it would only require us to stick on drill into the ground in 2 years. From what it sounds like, however, there are individual "sections" of claims and we will not have enough time to explore every single one of them so we may lose some claims in the next 2 years because we don't have the resources. True?

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That is a darn good question. Wish I would have thought of it today. Melvin stated that it would be impossible to drill on all of their claims in the next two years so what does that mean for the untouched ones? Anyone?
 

Not the least bit surprised that you couldn't admit your errors.

True colors, Mr Hyde?
 

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Originally posted by will:
Now wait a minute! ME, a PUMPER? I'll have you know I try to stay in the middle of this mess. It's easy to do too, between Dr D, Sterling and their wildass hype, and the richnessforeverone types, (scabs on the ass of humanity), It's a big spread. lol

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If I had $15,000+ on the line I might
get into the cheerleader section as well.

I am 7.5M strong and have in my order for
more if it dips...

This company has a lot of potential. I know
I can live without the bash and the bashing
of anyone who asks a reasonable question
or makes an observation that might appear
a bit on the negative side.

There is a lot of info about this company that is positive and equally amounts of information that is disturbing.

Sit back take a chill and enjoy the ride.
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Shadow, I haven't been pulled into lowering my standards. I think I asked some reasonable questions that weren't anwered. I actually restrained myself far more than you may guess. As far as being a cheerleader for this stock goes. It isn't related to my present investment. I was positive on this stock once I started finding out more about it. The more I learned the more I liked the mineral rights claims that they have. The kimberlite pipes taht have been found and the aerial survey results. I am very comfortable with my investment and plan to buy more. I won't rehash yeserdays leftovers but I stand by what I wrote. It isn't the sweetest side of me but it is far from the worst.

I agree with you about valuing questions and DD that may be negative. I also agree this company has things that it needs to address. I think they are. I think I have demonstrated a willingness to listen to the negatives and consider them. I don't see value in the comments of some posters who camp out here to harass others and try to hijack the board. They can have it. I have better things to do.

When I logged on just now I thought I was looking at yesterdays thread.
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi
 

"I do not need your humor either. From what I have seen, it is not very funny."

If you wanty funny I suggest you grab a seat and have Wallace parade around naked

He did it for me last night, in fact that is why I got on so late

Yummy, yummy yummy... Wallace's bare ass butt cheeks... The land of hemoroids and pimples... I bet it smells worse than a crack heads butt !!!

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Money P you are holding the for up well!!!

Wallace makes as much sense as letting Michael Jackson babysit your mute, blind little white boy...

-John-

Wallace, I'm RICH B I T C H!!!!

Wallace I'm Rick James, B I T C H... I'm the biggest baddest blackest motha fpucker you'll ever meet! Cause I'm Rick James! B I T C H!!!

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
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-John- Aka The Pumper...
 

We have cats like Wallace who are as shady as night, attacking everyone he considers to be a pumper...

Hmmm, the only thing that will be getting pumped is Wallace's buttocks by CMKX!!!

A Day in the Life of Wallace:

Wallace is sitting over there, Depends laid out and whatnot... Him and his wife are enjoying the finest bottle of Prune Juice a person can afford... Thankfully with his AARP card he saved 5% on that prune juice

Wallace enjoys a nice evening of listening to his wife yap about his failed exploits in life, lack luster bedroom shnanigans, and just generally grotesque apperance...

Thankfully Wallace is still kickin' it here... However posters, don't get him to excited... His ticker, which is three sizes too small (nope not his dicker, but that is FOUR sizes to small too!) may short out!

Poor, poor Wallace...

I laugh at you!

-John-

 

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Originally posted by Upside:
Debi,
You don't really have a mean side do you?

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Darren Baker
 

Name one girl, in the history of ANYWHERE, that didn't have a mean side to them?

Lol, remember our sin is our quest for knowledge, their's is temptation... which by any account
is 'meaner'

Whoa, this is like throwing a lit match at a childrens Chinese fireworks factory!
 

I miss you buddy!!!

-John-

 

When I tried to do that with previous girl friends they all just looked at me, oddly...

-John-
 

Nice post. Good points. There will be many deals made selling off portions of the mineral rights and giving drilling rights on many parcels. Perhaps, cash dividends in the form of royalties will be in the works. This would put pressure on people to hold their stocks until the actual payoff of the dividends. The scenerios are limitless if there are mineral like we hope. Oil and gas royalties, uranium rights, zink and much more all invite other companies to explore and mine in a hopefully mineral rich area for a piece of the action,all the while keeping the diamond rights for the prize. This would really make this a hold, hold, hold stock.

As for the name calling and such. Please, everyone, let's try to be intelligent and at least cordial in our posts. Let's keep this an information thread and not a chest beating format.

Chill out...and make your reservations for Las Vegas.
 

I used to have a roommate who nicknamed me Drano because I was so caustic. I have to fight that urge to let the dark side come out and play. Sometimes I have to really bite my tongue before it bites someone else. It isn't always easy to do. I am sure there are other people who post on this board who use restraint too. Thank God for them.
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I wanted to address Money Penny's question and your echo about the 1.9 million acres CMKX needs to make improvements on or forfeit the leases. The company will be letting about 500,000 acres go at some point (as per Melvin) since they have identified the most likely and valuable kimberlite fields. Whether those 500 K acres will go to one of the JV mining companies for other mineral exploration and development I am not sure.

This company has made some serious progress on the exploration front. The aerial survey was very revealing. You cannot see diamonds but can tell the size of various kimberlite formations.

If it was up to me we would be getting the share count and structure by the dividend date of record. Maybe at the last minute and also any sample results. That could be fun. I have a short, medium and long term view on this stock. I am expecting the PPS to go up in the short run. That assumes a good share structure, a small float and a Naked short cover. The clock is ticking. We will know this soon for sure.
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi

 

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I was reading the transcript Upside posted and I noticed that our mineral claims seem to expire within 2 years unless some sort of "work" is done on the land. My question is are our claim somehow divided into sections or does CMKX just own one big claim for 1.9 million acres? If there were sections, it seems like some sort of drilling work would have to be done on each patch of land in order for our claims not to expire but if they're all "connected" it would only require us to stick on drill into the ground in 2 years. From what it sounds like, however, there are individual "sections" of claims and we will not have enough time to explore every single one of them so we may lose some claims in the next 2 years because we don't have the resources. True?
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Thank you for sticking to some DD. Just wanted to repost to see if there's anyone that knows the answer?

Please ignore Wallace. It disrupts the board when his name is mentioned because he will defend himself if he's belittled. If we ignore him, we can continue with the DD. Didn't the basher's handbook say something about how they try to stay off the subject at hand (cmkx) and try to disrupt the dialogue between posters? Let's not let them screw up Allstocks. Please. This is a good message board. Thanks to all...get byrded and chill.
 

Posted by: howdy
In reply to: zeninvestor32 who wrote msg# 73801 Date:8/9/2004 10:03:08 PM
Post #of 73879

zen, here is some info to help you complete the picture a little more.

If you look at all the claims in the Fort La Corne area, you will see 3 corporations that are labled only as Saskatchawan ########### (numbers) Ltd.

The largest claim of 1.7 million acres is registered to Emerson Koch, but the land is part of CMKX, according to Melvin.

The second claim, which is named in a very similar way to Koch's claim (which leads me to believe they are connected), is registered to Rick Kusmirski. Melvin will not comment on this parcel.

The similarities are too much to not be very suspicious, imo. You can access this information the same way I did, by calling the Saskatchawan Department of Justice and asking for the Corporations Department. I think this is just another way to POSSIBLY link Kusmirski, IUC, and CMKX.

This is getting VERY interesting, imo.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3768372
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Hi Upside, I would prefer not to encourage the caustic side of my personality. I think the board will be better without it. -Debi
 

You seem to think I am a basher and I really don't care about that. I know you have a vested interest in CMKX and have been pumping it...and I don't care about that either.

You did get it right about the fact that I will defend myself if "belittled". The same holds true if I am insulted and/or demeaned.
Obviously, unlike Upside, you noticed that I was belittled prior to my retorting in kind.
As I said before, I don't care who the h*ll who it is, if they belittle, insult or demean me, I will respond in kind. And don't think I cannot read between the lines of some of the comments or will accept any insult immediately followed by positive comment. I will treat the first part of such comments in kind.

You people started all this sh*t. You are the ones that will have to discontinue your sh*t. That is all it would have taken a long time ago, but ALL of you kept it up in one way or another. Granted, certain people were more guilty than others, but the others did their part by adding seemingly innocuous comments...and that includes so-called christians. All those comments just added fuel to the fire so the more guilty parties could enjoy themselves at others' expense. And, if one of those others in particular makes just one more statement, I will post what I think is happening between him, his sister and her husband.

And, Upside, well he doesn't mind making untrue statements about someone. On top of that, he does not have the integrity to go back and see where he was in error and make some kind of effort to ameliorate the situation. He just wants to ignore and run off like a coward. I had thought better of him.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 10, 2004).]
 

I do have to ask a question though is
Noahltl related to Doji? or is Money_P
a close relative.

Shadow. other than being members of the CMKX family of investors, no. What are you getting at?

In order to be in full compliance with the U.S. Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), Evergreen Marketing, Inc. has received U.S. $2500 from PCS Edventures! (PCSV); we have received 250,000 shares of common stock from Cybertel (CYTP); we have received $2500 from a consultant of LJ International (JADE); in May of 2003 we received 5000 shares of common stock from a consultant of China Wireless Communications (CWLC) in January of 2004 we received $15,000; we have received $5,000 U.S. From a consultant of Office Managers, Inc (OFFM); we have received 200,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of International Sports and Media Group (ISME) Formerly San Diego Soccer Development (SDSD); we expect share compensation from a consultant of Warpradio.com (WRPR); we have received 50,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Pluristem Corp. (PLRS). We have received 4000 additional shares of Pluristem (PLRS) in May 2004 and we expect to receive another 5000 shares of PLRS in June 2004 for continued Green Baron updates and webcasts; we have received 85,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Gluv Corp. (GLVP); we received 2 million shares of V-Net Beverage, Inc. (VNTB) for public relations and promotion on The Green Baron and 2 million shares for designing, hosting, and launching a website in 2003. In 2004, we received an additional 3 million shares for ongoing consulting, website development, and webcast services; we received 2,000,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Tropical Beverage, Inc. (TPBV); we received 5,000 shares, and anticipate receiving an additional 5,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Alpine Air Express, Inc. ( ALPE); we have received 540,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of MISecurity Plus, Inc. (MSCU); we have been compensated 5,000 shares of common stock by Database solutions (DBSL); In April 2004 we received 15,000 shares of Caditec International (CDCI); we received 50,000 shares of common stock from The Dale Jarrett Racing Adventure (DJRT); We have received 17,000 shares of common stock from Nutri Pharmaceuticals Research, Inc. (NRIP); We received 15,000 shares of common stock and $1500 US from Consolidated Resources Group, Inc (CSRZ); We received $10,000 US from SE Global Equities Corp. (SEGB); We have received a total of 375,000 shares of American Scientific Resources (ASRO) from a consultant for webcast, promotion, and consulting services. We received 150,000 shares of common stock from a consultant of Portrush Petroleum, Inc. (PRRPF) as compensation for the distribution of this and other material. Since we are receiving compensation and may hold stock in the company there may be an inherent conflict of interest in our statements and opinions and such statements and opinions cannot be considered independent.

CMKX doesn't appear in there yet but they will soon. This is another paid pumping site.
 

Noahltl said he has attacked no one but me.
First, he had no cause to attack me at all.
Second, what he said about not attacking others is an OUTRIGHT LIE. Check out his past posts.

And remember, he is an admitted amateur giving advice to others on this thread. He has rarely, if ever, posted anywhere else. He is only able to post others' posts which pump CMKX. When he makes a statement, it is 100% misleading such as his statement that the "ex-dividend date is the same as the record date" and that "pro-rata means 1 for 1". As a amateur, he makes comments and gives advice as though he knows what he is talking about. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Now, he thinks he owns this CMKX CULT thread...and I guarantee you it is a CULT. Anyone who might have a different opinion is pile jumped by each and every one of the main pumper posters in an effort to drive them off the thread. Look at their history. It's all over the place the way they treat anyone with an objective and/or contrary opinion.

And, by the way, noahltl conventiently did not mention that I had the stock and sold it at a $410 loss or that I had another 10 mil shs I bought at .0002 and sold at .0005. Now that is a bit of a profit and it more than makes up for the $410 loss.

BEWARE OF ALL THE PUMPERS ON THIS THREAD

And I can read between the lines of the above comments. I have not begun to get rough and know a few things as well. Then, I really will get "abrasive".

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DIVIDE AND CONQUER
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I just figured I should elaborate just a little. Most of you got my point I hope.

To beat your opponent, one of the best ways is to divide and conquer.

Let's try to get along in the next weeks and months and get through this in one piece!

 

"August 2004 Focus Stock

CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX)

Closing PriceAugust 9, 2004 - .0004

Website address: www.casavantmining.com

“The Stock Play of a Lifetime”

TonightThe Green Baron Reportis upgrading the status of our recentStock to WatchCMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) to a fully profiled pick for our members. The stock will now be added to the storied list of previously profiled stocks on our homepage at www.thegreenbaron.com, and percentage returns will be based on today’s closing price of .0004 per share.  Please note that although our parent company has not been compensated in any way for the release of this information and does not expect to be compensated by CMKX in the future, our parent company Evergreen Marketing, Inc. and its employees currently own a substantial long position in shares of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX).

CMKM Diamonds is involved in the exploration for diamonds in the Canadianprovince ofSaskatchewan. Exploration is being aggressively pursued in the Forte a la Corne area in centralSaskatchewan, where the company holds mineral claims to more than 1.4 million acres. Geologists believe the diamond-bearing kimberlite pipes inSaskatchewanwere formed some 100 million years ago. Compared to the diamond-bearing pipes inSouth Africaor theNorthwest Territories, Forte a la Corne pipes are huge. This information is located at the CMKX website at www.casavantmining.com, which is currently being updated partly because of the tremendous number of recent press releases and corporate developments that have occurred over the past 60 days.

About one month ago onJuly 13, 2004 ,The Green Baron Reportalerted our members that we would begin following CMKX as aStock to Watch. In that report, we stated that further due diligence would be required for us to feel comfortable enough to urge our members to own this highly speculative pink sheet listed stock. The Green Baron Reporthas grown extremely skeptical of Pink Sheet listed companies in general since these companies are not required to be fully reporting. We had shown reservations about CMKX because the only information we had concerning share structure was that the company had set the total authorized number of shares the company could potentially issue at 500 billion.

In subsequent updates,The Green Baron Reportalerted our members of additional press releases that reported CMKX shareholders would be rewarded with stock dividends of three different companies; a bulletin board stock called US Canadian Minerals (UCAD), a pink sheet listed stock named Juina Mining (GEMM), and shares of a company not yet listed called Casavant International Mining. The share dividends will begin to be awarded to shareholders of recordAugust 20, 2004 . Although we were excited by each new dividend announcement,The Green Baron Reportwas still apprehensive since it was not clear how many shares would be rewarded per share owned in CMKX.

Our upgrade of CMKX, is based among other reasons, on the fact that the respected and renowned legal council for CMKX, Mr. D. Roger Glenn at Edward & Angell, LLP, is still actively working with CMKM Diamonds. In a recent press release, it was noted that Mr. Glenn was planning on traveling with the company’s management toSaskatchewan…to facilitate the company’s becoming fully reporting. Our sources indicate that this meeting will take place this week. Please understand that in all our experience, we have never seen an attorney of Mr. Glenn’s reputation associate himself in the public eye with a pink sheet listed company. We have concluded that his ongoing relationship to CMKM Diamonds indicates that there may be much more positive developments yet to be announced.

The Green Baron Reporthas calculated the potential returns from previously announced stock dividends, and views the strong possibility of additional stock or cash dividends. Our calculations indicate that at the current price of .0004 per share, even if the company has reached its total authorized stock issuance that an owner of CMKX stock at these levels could still stand to see a very nice return of its investment over time. The recent press release stating the receipt of $3,000,000 cash, and the inclusion of multiple partners in its mining projects lends further credibility to the company.

In conclusion,The Green Baron Reportnow suggests our members with speculative investment accounts to consider our new position on this potentially explosive stock opportunity. Although past performance is no guarantee of future results, priorGreen Baron Focus Stockpicks profiled on our home page tend to rise dramatically in the days, weeks, and months following our initial profile. Please consider yourself alerted as we strongly believe we will able to say we gave our members The Stock Play of a Lifetime!"
 

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Well, Wallace has all the pumpers shaking in their boots now. He's threatening to get 'really rough'. LOL He's also driving off all of the investors who come here for stock information. Hmmmmm. Maybe that's his intent. Hope we have a PR soon that brings an end to this nonsense, and allows us to move into some sensible discussion on this thread.

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I think I'll go to bed. If Wallace is going to really get naughty, I'll pass. Hey Walla$$, chill out, man. Get that chip off of your shoulder. 1000 pumpers can't all be wrong...

g'nite

 

Please note that although our parent company has not been compensated in any way for the release of this information and does not expect to be compensated by CMKX in the future, our parent company Evergreen Marketing, Inc. and its employees currently own a substantial long position in shares of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX).

There's the reason for the glowing report.

 

"CMKM Diamonds has announced a stock dividend payment, whereby holders will recieve 0.0000155 new shares in US Canadian Minerals for each share held in CMKM Diamonds.

The payment of the new stock is due to be made on or around 24 September 2004, with the record date being proposed as 20 August 2004.

The stock will not be quoted ex for the dividend payment."

It goes onto say any more info they will contact me etc..

Then at the bottom there is a disclaimer in bold...

"Please note that the information contained in this notice is compiled from sources believed to be reliable but not guaranteed. If you are unsure what action to take, please contact your Financial Advisor."

Probably standard stuff.

I rang them asking if they could tell me where they got this information from, and the girl seemed confused why I would be questioning it. She told me that the company sent the information to them and they inturn forwarded it to the nominee holders. I'm not sure she knew this for fact, and besides this is the UK, and we are dealing with US stocks, which they do not specialise in. I left it at what she told me.

I am drawing my own conclusions that anyone expecting a PR stating the OS is lower than calcualted is deluding themselves.

I'll have more coffee and try it again later

 

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Originally posted by tic_toc:
I have just recieved a letter from TD Waterhouse UK dated 6th August notifying me about the dividend payment....

"CMKM Diamonds has announced a stock dividend payment, whereby holders will recieve 0.0000155 new shares in US Canadian Minerals for each share held in CMKM Diamonds.

The payment of the new stock is due to be made on or around 24 September 2004, with the record date being proposed as 20 August 2004.

The stock will not be quoted ex for the dividend payment."

It goes onto say any more info they will contact me etc..

Then at the bottom there is a disclaimer in bold...

"Please note that the information contained in this notice is compiled from sources believed to be reliable but not guaranteed. If you are unsure what action to take, please contact your Financial Advisor."

Probably standard stuff.

I rang them asking if they could tell me where they got this information from, and the girl seemed confused why I would be questioning it. She told me that the company sent the information to them and they inturn forwarded it to the nominee holders. I'm not sure she knew this for fact, and besides this is the UK, and we are dealing with US stocks, which they do not specialise in. I left it at what she told me.

I am drawing my own conclusions that anyone expecting a PR stating the OS is lower than calcualted is deluding themselves.

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GOOD analysis......don't forget to subtract the value of the dividend from the value of CMKX.........
 

As far as this post of yours. UCAD does have some sweetheart deals for cash in exchange for mineral rights. We (the sahreholders) will be getting shares in UCAD and other mining companies. The dividends almost equal the present cost of the stock. We have a great lawyer who is looking out for the shareholders interests. One way or another we will get the value that is in CMKX to the shareholders.

Do you understand this next paragraph?
UCAD is coming TO THE SHAREHOLDERS-not to CMKX. So if CMKX gets some cash that is great and not at all unusual. Why wouldn't the company get cash when that is why companies sell stock in the first place. They certainly haven't been getting cash for the naked shorted shares the MM's have been spinning.

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Debi--I didn't add this to the previous posts cuz i thought it obvious, but i guess it wasn't to everybody.....UCAD is already more than half-owned by persons unknown (controlling interest etc.).....i would never guess at who owns it....but it has no track record...the PPS is being maintained at the 6$ because almost all of the shares are restricted and can't be traded. The real worrisome part in all this should be which 5% to possibly 15% of the mineral holdings are going to which companies...as for the naked shares short, i'll believe that when i see it.....you guys are still waiting on the totals..... the MM's are not EVIL... they are business people with a hell of alot more brains than i have seen in most of the posts on this board..i trust them a lot more than i do UC or his Lawyer....as far as doing ten hours of DD Debi.... i've been doing DD on this company for over a year.... you see i was here before when they "found diamonds" yep this isn't the first time that "they found diamonds".

As far as your cash question...HMMM it looks like they got a lotta cash floating around here..they can sponsor a racecar and they don't even have any mining revenues...wonder where that cash came from????????oh yeah maybe 300+ billion shares sold??????...one of these days McDonalds might just catch up with them...LOL

and i still would like to see where this lawyer is working for you, i mean he works for UC right? UC runs CMKX, i haven't seen one single case where he asked the stockholders for their opinion or a proxy.....

if you have any more questions for me i'll be happy to answer them. if i missed any let me know and i'll answer them to, you see glass is impervious to caustic substances......

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Originally posted by StonedPigeon:
What's that about 155 shares per million or
is it to earley in the morning for me to be
doing math?

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:

They certainly haven't been getting cash for the naked shorted shares the MM's have been spinning.

Glassman -I am not seeing much value in the 'DD' you think you are bringing. Your amen corner consists of new posters who are suspect and a few that are not held in high esteem. If your goal is to chase away the stockholders who like this stock and have posted here for the last year -why bother? You may not succeed unless you plan on living your life on the CMKX board. And if you want it that bad we know other boards where we are more than welcome and this kind of baloney isn't.

Good Luck to all the longs in this stock. Trust the DD you have done and try to ignore the bashers. They are actually a good sign. Why all the energy to bash a .0004 stock? IMO-DD-Debi[/B]

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Debi, if i have an AMEN corner here, you do too, and some of the posts here from YOUR CORNER are PORN....you guys should be happy i'm not a MOD cuz if i was, a lot of you would be banned from the board.

you have been here long enough to know how the game works Debi, i give most of these posters here the benefit of the doubt. but this has been a pump-fest if there ever was one. newbies come here and see that there's more posts here than anywhere else, then they read the posts you guys are copying from sterling and other total nuts. interesting technique... you didn't write them...somebody else did, but you post them when you should know that are total BS..... then you have a clean conscience..LOL cuz you didn't write them --you are just sharing this from another board ----i guess that leaves you enough wriggle room to sleep at night-- but i have to shave, and that means looking myself in the eye at the mirror...
 

Whats up with your bashing this board and stock. I have seen alot of posts from you and this bashing is uncharacteristic of you.

What are you so angry at?
 

The shareholder of CMKX are getting 50% of UCAD directly. Plus the company is getting some cash. Why is this a bad thing?

Debi
 

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Originally posted by thinkmoney:
wow glassman. you really dont like this stock. Are you our saviour?

Whats up with your bashing this board and stock. I have seen alot of posts from you and this bashing is uncharacteristic of you.

What are you so angry at?

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angry,i'm not angry, i'm DISGUSTED because there's a MILLION$+ a day DISAPPEARING from the market----
i've seen this same stock show up and perform the same way over and over again.

and it's always the same-- people try to point out the LIES and get called basher's when in fact they are providing a community service. somebody even said, we'll get to the newbies before you do......i think if you look thru the list of so-called basher's you will find they are the same people willing to give solid advice to beginners....they are the one that constantly LOOK for the next POP and post it quick....then there are the ones that are CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT----some REAL GOOD stock pickers avoid this like the plague don't they??????
i happen to believe in TRUTH...... it will set you free, and all i see here is a lot of junky behaviour.....
just a couple days ago some of you were saying that there was no way that the share count was 400 billion, today the same people are like well, it don't really matter..... LIARS.... i don't post anywhere else, why, cuz i usually spend all my time DD'ing and ALLSTOCKS is the best, but the kind of behaviour exhibited in these threads is UNCONSCIONABLE.....
i have the right to express my opinions so I DO..... and if i am wrong i ADMIT it...unlike this group of self groomers...

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Hi Glassman, I do have a question that keeps getting lost in your answers.

The shareholder of CMKX are getting 50% of UCAD directly. Plus the company is getting some cash. Why is this a bad thing?

Debi

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and where did you get 50%---i don't think you'll find 50% of UCAD in your pockets...
UCAD, by your own admission is a shell. that means it isn't worth ANYTHING.. except what it trades for-- sure it trades at 6$ TODAY, but you are getting restricted shares..you can't trade then till when??? till they issue another XXX billion shares like they did last time???? oh yeah that is yet to be confirmed.... HMMMMMM i guess TD Waterhouse is wrong too...LOL

I am glad you are so confident in your decision. If the stock goes to .01 you can shave knowing you delivered some people from making a very good return in a tough market. If it goes to .10 be careful with the razor. If it tanks then that is great. But either way people need to take responsbility for their own investment decisions.

I don't know what the stock will do. I do know that the area that CMKX has the mineral rights in is hot. It is the place to be in Canada and Canada is the place to be for diamond and mineral exploration. Roger Glenn is a very good attorney. I have a lot of confidence that he is working to help CMKX which does help the stockholders.

As far as anyone elses behavior in my Amen corner goes. I won't be responsible for their behavior. I will be responsible with and for mine. I do think it is ironic a poster illegally assumed another allstocks member's identity and with that alias posted 'truths'. I couldn't pretend to not notice that and I won't.
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Glassman wrote:

more on the EVIL -LOL- MM isssue..i watched a billion shares and more/day get posted in this stock at .0001----if I were an MM i would have bought ALL of those shares to sell you guys at .0004+ when the "BIG NEWS" came out??? why, cuz that's what MM's do (they probably got 'em for less too.....)

Some of these businessmen MM's are snakes in suits and are robbing the daylights out of investors in pennystocks. You can disagree with that if you like. I think it is patently obvious. This market is corrupt as the day is long. I would love to see it trade on supply and demand. I don't think it is. I do think some of what gets blamed on Naked shorting are the various companies diluting their own stock and flooding the market with it. I don't think that is the case with CMKX. If the company is selling I think they would be selling back the Naked short shares they purchased. Hopefully we will soon know.

I have other stocks to attend to. Have a good day. -IMO-DD-IMO-Debi
 

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Originally posted by tic_toc:
I have just recieved a letter from TD Waterhouse UK dated 6th August notifying me about the dividend payment....

"CMKM Diamonds has announced a stock dividend payment, whereby holders will recieve 0.0000155 new shares in US Canadian Minerals for each share held in CMKM Diamonds.

The payment of the new stock is due to be made on or around 24 September 2004, with the record date being proposed as 20 August 2004.

The stock will not be quoted ex for the dividend payment."

It goes onto say any more info they will contact me etc..

Then at the bottom there is a disclaimer in bold...

"Please note that the information contained in this notice is compiled from sources believed to be reliable but not guaranteed. If you are unsure what action to take, please contact your Financial Advisor."

Probably standard stuff.

I rang them asking if they could tell me where they got this information from, and the girl seemed confused why I would be questioning it. She told me that the company sent the information to them and they inturn forwarded it to the nominee holders. I'm not sure she knew this for fact, and besides this is the UK, and we are dealing with US stocks, which they do not specialise in. I left it at what she told me.

I am drawing my own conclusions that anyone expecting a PR stating the OS is lower than calcualted is deluding themselves.

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Originally posted by noahltl:
UC: Don't believe anything until you see the PR.

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why believe the PR?---the MM's ARE the market...that's why we call them MARKET MAKERS---without them you don't have a market....LOL
the numbers don't lie, and if you think you are going to somehow beat the MM's you are crazy....
 

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neba
Newbie
« Thread started on: Today at 08:13am »

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Please let me begin with the fact that I am in many ways still a newbie.
Not necessarily to CMKX but to investing as a whole.

I know that the appeal of this company has created many new investors
by the number of people I introduced to it alone and they introduced to it,
And so on. (I am sure I am not the only one)

They do come to us with a clearly more fragile approach. Not only are
they concerned for their money but they had little to no exposure to the
BASHER/PUMPER mentality.

When they come here to find support and find us (or the others) talking
trash and being verbally abusive to them and others they generally don’t
understand it. I remember believing that these boards were set up for
those who were in support of the investment. Good idea but.

These boards are often the fist exposure people have even prior to actually
investing . So when newbies or visitors come here and find us abusing
Melvin , each other or what ever they either leave with confidence by
what we showed them or they just leave.

A newbie presents many possibilities for both CMKX and this board that
I hope we give them the support they require.

(as with everything) JMO

Thank you

 

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Glassman, I for one don't think the CMKX story is half finished yet. There are many here including me who will admit to being wrong on this one if we are. I won't know if I am until I see how this plays out over the next 14-60 days and possibly longer. So I think it is a little early to either apologize or gloat.

I am glad you are so confident in your decision. If the stock goes to .01 you can shave knowing you delivered some people from making a very good return in a tough market. If it goes to .10 be careful with the razor. If it tanks then that is great. But either way people need to take responsbility for their own investment decisions.

I don't know what the stock will do. I do know that the area that CMKX has the mineral rights in is hot. It is the place to be in Canada and Canada is the place to be for diamond and mineral exploration. Roger Glenn is a very good attorney. I have a lot of confidence that he is working to help CMKX which does help the stockholders.

As far as anyone elses behavior in my Amen corner goes. I won't be responsible for their behavior. I will be responsible with and for mine. I do think it is ironic a poster illegally assumed another allstocks member's identity and with that alias posted 'truths'. I couldn't pretend to not notice that and I won't.

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then why did you feel the need to put them in my corner Debbi?????? just cuz somebody said they took his identity doesn't mean it's true....
as far as being careful with my razor Debbi...i appreciate your concern, but EVEN if it did go to .10, i would have NO PROBLEM with what i've said......i've also helped quite a few people find good picks and i've offered bad picks before, but i have never ever lied......people who sell pipe dreams are either pushers or liars....
 

lowescarpets
Re: CMKX Pink quotes and volume
« Reply #2 on: Today at 09:01am »

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Recently, leading market makers and brokers named in various lawsuits and other actions, including FleetBoston (NYSE: FBF), Goldman, Sachs & Co. (GS), H. Myerson & Co., Inc. (NASDAQ: MHMY), Olde / H&R Block (HRB), Charles Schwab (SCH), Toronto-Dominion's (TD), TD Waterhouse Group, Bank of America's (BAC) Banc of America Securities LLC, Societe Generale's (SCGLF) SG Cowen Securities Corp. vFinance, Inc. (VFIN), Knight Trading Group, Inc. (NITE), A.G. Edwards, Inc. (AGE), Ameritrade Holding Corp. (AMTD), Deutsche Bank AG (DB), and ETrade Group, Inc. (ET), were forced to comply with new short-selling market regulations imposed by the NASD after the SEC had "sat on" the NASD request to plug material loopholes for almost 2-1/2 years.

"The new rules expand the scope of the affirmative determination requirements to include orders received from broker/dealers that are not members of NASD ("non-member broker/dealers").

The new rule is on the web at http://www.nasdr.com/2610_2004.asp#04-03

The rule itself, while welcomed by small companies and their shareholders in the U.S., nevertheless raised an outcry because the NASD's request to put it into effect had set on a shelf at the SEC since 2001.

The scandal has embroiled hundreds of companies and dozens of brokers and marketmakers, in a web of internaitional intrigue, manipulative short-selling and cross-border acctions and denials.

Comments on Regulation SHO ended January 5, and may be viewed at http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303.shtml .

Some 122 companies, including 13 brokers, such as FleetBoston (NYSE: FBF), Goldman, Sachs & Co. (GS), H. Myerson & Co., Inc. (NASDAQ: MHMY), Olde / H&R Block (HRB), Charles Schwab (SCH), Toronto-Dominion's (TD), TD Waterhouse Group and vFinance, Inc. (VFIN). A.G. Edwards, Inc. (AGE), Ameritrade Holding Corp. (AMTD), Deutsche Bank AG (DB), Knight (NITE) and ETrade Group, Inc. (ET), have been embroiled for over a year in a raging controversy

The remaining 109 companies among the 122 named to date have issued press releases or been named in the media as having been victimized, or as taking various actions, either alone or in concert with other companies, to oppose manipulative trading in the form of illegal naked short selling. The actions have ranged from lawsuits to withdrawals and threatened withdrawals from the electronic trading system managed by the Depository Trust & Clearing Corp., to withdrawals from toxic financings, to the issuance of dividends or name changes designed to squeeze manipulators, to joining associations or networks or to contacting regulatory authorities to provide documentation of abuses or otherwise complain.

The complete list of those 108 companies include Advanced Viral Research Corp. (ADVR), AdZone Research, Inc. (ADZR), Amazon Natural Treasures (OTC: ANTD), America's Senior Financial Services (OTCBB: AMSE), American Ammunition, Inc. (AAMI), AngelCiti Entertainment (OTCBB: AGLC), ATSI Communications, Inc. (ATSC), Federal Agricultural Mortgage / Farmer Mac (AGM) Allied Capital (ALD), American Motorcycle (OTC: AMCYV), American International Industries (AMIN), Ameri-Dream (OTC: AMDR), Adirondack Pure Springs Mt. Water Co. (OTCBB: APSW), ATSI Communications,Inc. (ATSC) Bluebook International (BBIC), Blue Industries (OTCBB: BLIIV), Bentley Communications (OTCBB: BTLY), BIFS Technologies Corporation (BIFT), Biocurex (BOCX). Broadleaf Capital Partners, Inc. (BDLF), Chattem, Inc. (CHTT), Critical Home Care (CCLH), Composite Holdings (COHIA), CyberDigital, Inc. (CYBD). Diamond International Group (OTCBB: DMND), Dobson Communications Corp. (DCEL), Eagle Tech Communications (EATC), Edgetech Services (EDGH);

Also, Endovasc Ltd. (EVSC), Enviro-Energy Corporation (ENGY), Environmental Products & Technologies (OTC: EPTC), Environmental Solutions Worldwide, Inc. (ESWW), EPIXTAR Corp. (EPXR), eResearchTechnologies, Inc. (ERES), Flight Safety Technologies (OTCBB: FLST), Freddie Mac (FRE), FreeStar Technologies (OTCBB: FSRCE), Front Porch Digital,

Inc. (FPDI), Geotec Thermal Generators, Inc. (GETC), Genesis Intermedia (GENI), GeneMax Corp. (GMXX), Global Explorations Inc (GXXL), Global Path (OTCBB: GBPI), GloTech Industries, Inc. (OTCBB: GTHI), Green Dolphin Systems (OTCBB: GLDS), Group Management (OTCBB: GPMT), Hop-On (HPON), H-Quotient, Inc., (HQNT), Hyperdynamics Corp. (HYPD), International Biochem (IBCL), Intergold Corp. (OTCBB: IGCO), International Broadcasting Corporation (IBCS), InternetStudios, Inc. (ISTO), ITIS Holdings (ITHH), Investco Corp. (IVCO), Lair Holdings (LAIR), Lifeline BioTechnologies Inc. (LBTT), Life Energy & Technology (LETH), MBIA (MBI);

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Glass
Why don't you just confront with the person who you think lied? Tell him/her 'this is waht you posted on this date, you are saying the opposite today'.

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why??? this thread is more of that than anything else.....Debi asked me specific questions, i answered them....i don't know why this phenomena exists exactly, somebody said it's like crack-----i agree, there's people who are trying to take the slipperiest most underhanded moves in the stock game and making them sound like SMART plays.... they are just what they smell like......only inexperienced players would think that setting up shells is a good thing... the SEC has been throwing around a lot of big fines lately. to people with BIG EXPENSIVE LAWYERS..LOL do those lawyers give the advice on how to pay LESS of a fine ????sure they do. anybody who thinks a lawyer that isn't on their retainer is working for them ......LOL
 

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Originally posted by will:
Well, I guess no one wants to see this bit of news. @ .0000155, that would make the O/S right around that 500B mark.

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Will, I don't think it was ignored. There was quite a debate when it first came out. It showed up on the OCT website as information required to be provided by UCAD prior to the dividend. It was picked up by the Pinksheets website. The debate centers around whether the information is accurate or somehow provided to OCT by some malicious third party. This is further aggrevated by CMKX niether confirming nor denying the information. This leads me to beleive that it is indeed accurate and CMKX just doesn't want to call attention to the issue that the O/S is much larger than everyone hoped. And there are still a number of people on this board in denial that the O/S is that big and want to cling to the 10 billion share range and trillions in naked shorts. It think they are afraid that the large O/S share position will ruin the credibility and potential of CMKX. Goodbye to dreams fo $1 per share anytime soon and hello to .03 per share, which becomes a more likely high end in the near term.

My thoughts are that the 483 billion or so O/S is most likely and that the OTC information is accurate. Billions of shares being traded daily, naked shorts aside, would represent a very high percentage of the stock trading hands each day. Not likely IMO. Also, CMKX always seems to have cash - for investment in other companies and for supporting racing teams. That money has to come from somewhere and I think it's from dumping stock over the last few months.

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Originally posted by GatorMan:
Will, I don't think it was ignored. There was quite a debate when it first came out. It showed up on the OCT website as information required to be provided by UCAD prior to the dividend. It was picked up by the Pinksheets website. The debate centers around whether the information is accurate or somehow provided to OCT by some malicious third party. This is further aggrevated by CMKX niether confirming nor denying the information. This leads me to beleive that it is indeed accurate and CMKX just doesn't want to call attention to the issue that the O/S is much larger than everyone hoped. And there are still a number of people on this board in denial that the O/S is that big and want to cling to the 10 billion share range and trillions in naked shorts. It think they are afraid that the large O/S share position will ruin the credibility and potential of CMKX. Goodbye to dreams fo $1 per share anytime soon and hello to .03 per share, which becomes a more likely high end in the near term.

My thoughts are that the 483 billion or so O/S is most likely and that the OTC information is accurate. Billions of shares being traded daily, naked shorts aside, would represent a very high percentage of the stock trading hands each day. Not likely IMO. Also, CMKX always seems to have cash - for investment in other companies and for supporting racing teams. That money has to come from somewhere and I think it's from dumping stock over the last few months.

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I think that your motives are good in your position on this stock. People can get carried away with the possibilities that this company brings. A voice of reality is a good thing. If people are selling pipe dreams labeled as stock that is fraud. If people are selling stock and pointing out it's potential for gain that is why people buy stock.

There are pumpers no doubt in this stock and there are bashers. I may seem like a pumper but I'm not. I am just a person who likes mining stocks in general and this one in particular. I am still buying. I think it is undervalued. I am basing that on lots of information that is readily available to read. I am not ignoring the questions surrounding this company. There are some points you brought up that seem to bother you. I have considered them and they don't bother me. For example the fact that UCAD moved into an existing shell doesn't faze me in the least. I think when a company moves into a shell the slate gets wiped clean from the former company. I am not concerned over Great Barrington foods. If I am missing something specific to Great Barrington or their players who are still around in UCAD I would be welcome to hear that.

Have a great day. This stock is taking too much of my time. I like it, it is entertaining but I really have other stuff to do. (You know like have a life).
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi

 

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Yeah right, there's nothing anyone can do to the sacrosanct MM's:

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OK Noah, please show me where CMKX has filed any LEGAL documents concerning naked shorts..PR doesn't count....
i have been aware of the naked shorting issue for a long time too... and guess what, every company i was in that complained about it still never got off the floor.... real margin shorting i have made good bread off of-- as far as i am concerned, naked shorting is the big bad wolf... guess what, wolves don't eat live people....

 

glassman
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Thank you PSU-- I too have said things that could be taken as pumping--I get excited--that's why I'm here--this is much more exciting than S&P. I don't fall in love(well I try not to)I have no malice here as I have been posting over and over--I feel that alot of people don't really read what's in front them. pumping is great--even if the stock sucks the prices can go up. it's not a bad thing. I am not a whiner or a crybaby-I asked a question and it was answered to my satisfaction. I CAN read what is written and what is between the lines. If you or I or anyone else here posts "I have INSIDE information --trade on it" my understanding is tht we are in violation of the SEC rule PERIOD no I'm not a lawyer but I can read. When I suggested to someone that he might be falling in love with a stock --I hope-- and believe-- that he took it in the manner presented--look out for yourself--It's a hint that you need to be little more circumspect-- no nods or winks--straight from the heart-- eye to eye -- as best we can on these wonderful machines. When people yell the sky is falling over a couple of serious questions It makes me wonder what they are doing here. I try my best to KEEP IT LIGHT__LOL_LOL. I would never have brought this here during the trading week--It is Saturday night isn't it-- nobody is going to go running to sell tonight and I NEVER said anything like this is a crappy stock or company--.People are invested--when I suggested that anyone feeling fooled should file a report I meant simply this--they will be told the truth by the best EXPERTS around --it is that simple-settle your fears--anybody who reads this is a paper company should know how right that is--we are all investing in the future here-- HOLDING co building from the ground up a new company. There is no news here. The "anti-bashers" are the ones getting all wound up as if nobody out here in retail stock buying land makes up their own minds and lives with it. If you post it--it is there in the computer- I am told forever--keep that in mind--
if you read the second part of my statement-- about private placement-- you should note that I am saying buy in after the dilution-- this board is the best- it will stay that way by observing simple human rules
 

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Originally posted by WorkAHolic:
Hey Glassman, please go save someone else. I for one am sick of you bashing everything about this stock. If UC does something like hire a big time attorney, of course it's for himself as for the stockholders, he owns the company with majority stock. What kind of idiot would make a statement like that? If I owned majority interest in a company I would be looking out for me, too. Stop trying to use confusing details and accusations and trying to put fear here where all we want is fun. You are making yourself too obvious about who and what you are. IMO of course..

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you see what i mean.....in the same post you admit that i am right and say i am wrong..LOL
" why don't you go away and let us lead the newbies astray with our wild speckkalashuns..LOL"..

CONFUSING DETAILS...LOL the details are where your money disappears...and i'm not bashing here...i am looking at the historical facts-- alot of money is disappearing .....it's called DILUTION. and the facts should bother you....
 

Dude, if you REALLY read that post, you will see that i remain constant....by the way PSU( the person i was posting to) was the MODERATOR at the time, what does that tell you????
what's wrong with being a "professional poster?" that means i have survived a lot of these types of things--including putting the pumpers in their place....LOL

also,buying garbage and moving on without trying to get somebody else stuck in it...
and posting good picks...

like it says in my POST READ READ READ READ>>>>

also, that stock was PGHI, now known as GZFX, not a bad pick........LOL

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited August 10, 2004).]
 

"The "anti-bashers" are the ones getting all wound up as if nobody out here in retail stock buying land makes up their own minds and lives with it."

That point applies to the "anti-pumpers" as well. We have made up our own minds and we will live with our decisions. Why can't you now live with that? Why must you now save us from ourselves?
 

VERY, VERY WELL SPOKEN!!!! I believe the "company" slight was directed at me. I would be proud to be in your company or corner providing you permit it. Yes, Drano is caustic, but it is little more than LYE.
Rather easy to deal with when someone dumps lime on it or uses Sulphuric Acid to counter it.

Will,

I got your email address also. With all the kooks on this thread (and I guarantee you I am NOT one of them), you just might get some hate mail. If you wish, I will email you and explain where I am coming from...if not, just tell me otherwise. All I ask is that you not disclose. In general, I am not upset with you. Maybe I took your post about litigation the wrong way.
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Noahltl does not know sh*t from shine-ola. If anyone has tried to hijack a thread it is he and you know who. He, JBCak, Money_Penny, XchangeMode, Cool1sh, Truth Teller, rivercity, Grasshopper, RaiderJR, BootyQuest and others are fine company for the King and Queen of pumpers on this CMKX CULT thread to be in league with. I can name all the others.

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'Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much.' - Helen Keller
 

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Glassman in your post, you state:

"The "anti-bashers" are the ones getting all wound up as if nobody out here in retail stock buying land makes up their own minds and lives with it."

That point applies to the "anti-pumpers" as well. We have made up our own minds and we will live with our decisions. Why can't you now live with that? Why must you now save us from ourselves?

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i've already told you that too..... cuz the newbies are showing up here and believing this stuff.... look, there are lots of good plays out there... this one has what appears to be the highest float in the land... the numbers don't work...

sponsoring a racecar (at the level they are) is very expensive... i have read right here on allstocks all the reasons that is supposed to be a good thing... HOW can you all justify this???? they are supposed to be getting minerals out of the ground for the shareholders with the money the shareholders out into the company...if you buy stock in a company--YOU ARE EMPLOYING THEM-- in this case it looks more like you guys work for the company.....there are companies out there that are not on the up and up and i have invested and lost in them, but when i find out, i get out....and i surely don't promote them....
every time somebody says they see something bad in CMKX--you all gang up and call them bashers..i read the threads..it's not pretty, i wouldn't reccommend allstocks to a friend based on a lot of the stuff you guys have been saying...if you want to PUMP a stock, find one with good reasons to pump it... don't keep making excuses....
 

N enough with what you think you know about others please.

G find it hard to think you got in the middle of all this.

W I would have said it once and moved on.

All why waste your time posting about others? Try talking about the company and it's stock.
 

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Wallace you whine as much as a little b i t c h.... wtf is your deal???

I'd love to be able to 'meet' you... The whole 'incident' would last maybe nine seconds... The first and only thing you'd remember of me would be me punching your throat as hard as I could, if you hit hard enough you can cause someones Trach to close up... After that would come the hit to the chest which would either break your sternum or at the least nock your wind out...

Then I'd go for your wallet... Hopefully you aren't as broke as I am because the next day your money would be buying me cmkx

-John-

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Here's you AMEN chorus Debbi?? would you like him to sit with you at the pews????
 

Nah, I don't think I'll get hate mail. If I do, sobeit. The things I question and have questioned are things that are nagging even the most ardent believers.
O/S, share structure, Sample reporting, becoming a reporting company. Everyone, save the Dr's, Sterlings, and Zens know this is important missing information. The only thing I have asked from the very beginning is whay isn't CMKX more forthright, forthcoming, complete, and honest in their PR's.
Sure you can email me. I don't subscribe to all you say, but I am willing to read anything and leave what I don't like. Glassman I have seen for 6 months or better now, you I don't know, you showed up on the negatives side of CMKX, and kicked it around pretty hard. Glass has a track record on allstocks. Might be unfair to compare yas, I only have read your posts on this thread, and maybe a couple comments elsewhere, and didn't pay much attention to them.
There is alot I don't understand about the penny market, but I do know when someone is blowing smoke up my ass, ie; DrD, Zen, Sterling, Melvin. They have as much credibility with me as richnessforeveryone does.
I have no idea where this will end, but I have a small position that I can afford to lose, or be happy to see fly.
 

just doing my neighborhood watch for the month..LOL
 

Synthetic Diamonds Shape Up to Fill Gap Left By Shortage of Real Thing

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August 4, 2004
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Emma Muller
Johannesburg

De Beers now faces unwelcome result of the 'euphoric' demand it helped spur

DEMAND for diamonds has been whipped to peak levels. Supplies are running low and in the wings wait the manufacturers of synthetic stones, ready to fill the gap.

This combination of market forces has led analysts to warn of a situation that could undermine the position of natural diamonds.

They say a shortage of rough diamonds, together with spiralling prices and a sharp rise in demand for diamonds, is creating an opportunity for man-made gems. These are making inroads in the US through two companies, Gemesis and Apollo.

The main trigger for the concern is a sharp fall in production at Rio Tinto's Argyle mine, which provides the bulk of the world's natural diamond production in terms of volume.

At the same time, De Beers is facing severe shortages, mainly in larger sizes, while actually pushing demand for diamonds under its supplier of choice policy in terms of which clients are obliged to increase marketing spend.

De Beers' London-based Diamond Trading Company estimates that the global retail market for diamond jewellery grew from $20bn in 1980 to more than 56bn in 2003, while sales of diamond jewellery pieces tripled during the same period .

"Such a scenario is exactly the way to go for synthetics," said Des Kilalea, an analyst at Nedcor Securities. "Synthetics can compete more effectively in price-sensitive, bread and butter consumption goods, and they work their way up," he said. "It is at the lower level that verification of individual stones will be too expensive."

Kilalea says there is an opportunity for De Beers to be the first in the synthetic diamonds market, and to develop a brand representing non-natural diamonds to protect the natural diamond market.

"Compare it to Toyota's marketing strategy for Lexus. The key issue is to avoid hurting your major product by giving (the new product) a completely different name to exclude confusion at consumer level."

De Beers' return to the US market, where disclosure of natural or synthetic diamonds was required by law, should allow the market leader to take the fight with synthetics producers such as Gemesis and Apollo to the manufacturing level, he said.

Rumours have been spreading that synthetic rough diamonds were being polished in Surat, a major cutting centre in India. But key players there say there is no need to worry at consumer level.

"It is a concern as far as the trade is concerned. Identifying a diamond as a natural diamond in larger sizes is guaranteed. But moving into the smaller, cheaper sizes, it's more difficult. De Beers is trying to limit this through its best practice principles," said one representative of a De Beers customer in India, the world's largest diamond cutting and polishing centre.

"It can impact on the fashion side, but as long as the GIA (Gemological Institute of America) and other laboratories can give protection to the consumer, there is no panic."

He said branding was not a practical solution. "If you have this euphoria around diamonds, (where) people want to buy the diamonds at wholesale at any price, that automatically creates room for synthetics," he said.

An Antwerp-based expert on synthetics and diamond treatments, who declined to be named, said synthetics technology was still in its infancy, but added Florida-based Gemesis had made significant progress.

"The issue here is how dangerous synthetics are as a competitor to natural diamonds," he said.

"They will be if they can be produced in mass quantity, are better quality and more attractive in price. If you compare industrial natural diamonds and synthetic industrial diamonds, you pay more today for synthetics because they are standardised and actually perform more efficiently.

"The diamond industry will be forced to move into new technologies to improve the colour of a diamond or CVD (chemical vapour deposition, which builds a diamond layer by layer), that enhance the quality of diamonds, whether De Beers likes it or not," he said.

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De Beers, which said it had no intention to move into the synthetics market, sees it differently: "Synthetics don't enshrine such core human values and emotions. Consumers see them as completely different products," said a De Beers spokeswoman.

Under its "Gem Defensive" consumer confidence programme, De Beers has instead developed machines that help jewellers and the public to distinguish synthetics from natural diamonds.
 

Rick Kusmirski, President of JNR Resources Inc., (the "Company") is pleased to announce that the Company has entered into an agreement with United Carina Resources Corp. and Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. to option just over 12,500 hectares (31,000 acres) of diamond exploration properties in the highly prospective Fort à la Corne area, near Prince Albert, Saskatchewan.

The properties occur northwest of and along / adjacent to the same structural lineaments that are associated with the main Fort à la Corne kimberlite cluster. They also occur up ice of the Sturgeon Lake kimberlites, which have been interpreted as large ice-rafted blocks, and whose source has never been found. The Company plans to carry out ground work this summer over a number of unexplained geophysical anomalies that occur on the optioned properties. These anomalies were identified by airborne surveys and have, for the most part, never been followed up.

Under the terms of the agreement, JNR Resources can earn a 60 per cent beneficial interest in the properties by the issuance of 100,000 shares, expenditures on exploration and development on the properties of $200,000 and cash payments totaling $40,000, over a two year period. The Company can, at its option, earn a further 10 per cent interest (70 per cent total) in the properties by expending a further $300,000 on the properties by the end of the third anniversary date. This agreement is subject to completion of final documentation.

In related events:

Drilling on the JNR / Kennecott Canada Exploration Inc. (the "Companies") kimberlite project has been completed. Two targets were tested. Neither drill hole intersected kimberlite and in both cases the geophysical features targeted upon were not explained. The Companies are reviewing their options as to how to next proceed in this area.

The line cutting and ground geophysical program on the Companies? Moore Lake uranium project has been completed. The preliminary interpretation is encouraging and indicates the presence of a major east-northeast trending structural corridor in the general "Maverick Zone" area. The final interpretation and details of the planned follow up diamond drilling program, will be available within the next week to ten days.

ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD
"R. T. Kusmirski"
Rick Kusmirski, President & Director
For further information, please call: (306) 249-3562

The Canadian Venture Exchange has not reviewed and does not accept responsibility for the accuracy or adequacy of this news release.
 

(Rapaport...July 30,2004) Shore Gold Inc. has recovered its third set of diamonds from the company's Star Diamond project in Saskatchewan. This includes the “the largest diamond yet discovered in Saskatchewan,” according to a company press release issued on July 29.

These results came from five kimberlite batches of a total of 80 to 100 kimberlite batches that are going to be processed as part of the Star Diamond project's bulk sampling program. A total of 1,459 commercial-size diamonds weighing 227.56 carats have been recovered from the treatment of 1,572.6 dry tons of kimberlite.
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Shore Gold Inc. has recovered the largest diamond ever found in Saskatchewan at the Star Diamond Project in the Fort a la Corne area.

By C. McGarrigle of The Journal

Melfort Journal — Shore Gold Inc. has recovered the largest diamond ever found in Saskatchewan at the Star Diamond Project in the Fort a la Corne area.
The diamond, measured at 19.71 carats, or approximately the diameter of a nickel, was discovered as part of the bulk sampling program aimed at recovering 3,000 carats to be tested for valuation purposes.
"It's very exciting. It's always splashy to get a big stone, although from the very first disclosure when the initial results started to come back, we've had big stones, but this is the first double-digit stone," said George Sanders vice-president of corporate development for Shore Gold Inc.
A total of 1,459 commercial sized diamonds (greater than 1.18 millimetres), weighing 227.6 carats, have been recovered from 1,573 dry tonnes of kimberlite in the latest batch.
Thirty-three diamonds greater than one carat have also been recovered in the batch, with the four largest stones measuring 19.71 carats, 7.48 carats, 5.61 carats and 4.67 carats.
Sanders said that to date, the company has recovered 687 carats out of 16 batches. Close to 100 batches will be needed before the sampling is completed.
"I think that our exercise here, even though it's still early days, has already confirmed that the larger stone that the joint venture found in the drill hole is no fluke for Saskatchewan, and in fact that the Fort a la Corne kimberlites do contain substantial large diamonds," stated Sanders.
The newest release from Shore Gold Inc. on the latest exploration results has seen the company's stocks rise almost 25 per cent in the first few hours from the announcement on July 29 to $1.780 per share.
However, the stocks leveled off at $1.65 by the end of the trading day.
The 52-week high for the stock is $2.290 per share and the 52-week low for the stock is $1.030.
"We were really encouraged and very excited about the initial results that we disclosed back in June. The market had an unfavourable opinion of those, but we saw some things in that information that we knew for sure that we were absolutely on the right track," explained Sanders on the market results.
What has executives excited about the new diamond discoveries is the colour of the stones. Over 80 per cent of those diamonds have been classified as white (Early Joli Fou - higher grade), with a further 13 per cent classified as off-white (Late Joli Fou - lower grade).
"We are most encouraged that the kimberlite grade and stone size continue to improve and that our recent kimberlite volume calculations have shown that the higher grade Early Joli Fou kimberlite accounts for approximately 80 per cent of Star," said George Read, senior vice president of exploration.
To date, some 14,500 dry tonnes of kimberlite has been extracted from Star Diamond Project as part of the bulk sampling program.
Up to 25,000 tonnes of kimberlite will be recovered from the shaft and drifts to be processed on site to produce the diamond parcel for testing.
Once the Kimberlite is processed on-site, the samples are sent to Rio Tinto's Thunder Bay Mineral Processing Laboratory for an independent audit.
 

The diamond cartel

The cartel isn't for ever

Jul 15th 2004 | JOHANNESBURG AND WINDHOEK
From The Economist print edition

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An Israeli tycoon is helping to force De Beers to surrender its control of the world's diamond market

HOW much turmoil can the diamond industry sustain without shattering? On July 13th in an Ohio court De Beers, the world's largest producer of rough stones, finally pleaded guilty to charges of price-fixing of industrial diamonds and agreed to pay a $10m fine, thereby ending a 60-year-long impasse. De Beers executives are at last free to visit and work directly in the largest diamond market, America.

A few days earlier, on July 9th, the first case of successful industry self-regulation against trade in so-called “conflict diamonds” took place when Congo-Brazzaville was punished for failing to prove the source of its diamond exports. And on June 28th Lev Leviev, an arch-rival of De Beers, opened Africa's biggest diamond-polishing factory in Namibia.

Behind all these events lies sweeping change in an industry that sells $60-billion-worth of jewellery alone each year. For generations it has been run by De Beers as a cartel. The South African firm dominated the digging and trading of diamonds for most of the 20th century. Yet the system for distributing stones established decades ago by De Beers is curious and anomalous—no other such market exists, nor would anything similar be tolerated in a serious industry.

De Beers runs most of the diamond mines in South Africa, Namibia and Botswana that long produced the bulk of world supply of the best gemstones. It brings all of its rough stones to a clearing house in London and sorts them into thousands of grades, judged by colour, size, shape and value. For decades, if anyone had rough diamonds to sell on the side, De Beers bought these too, adding them to the mix. A huge stockpile helped it to maintain high prices while it successfully peddled the myth that supply was scarce.

De Beers has no interest in polishing stones, only in selling the sorted rough diamonds to invited clients (known in the trade as "sightholders") at non-negotiable prices. Sales take place ten times a year. The favoured clients then cut and polish the stones before selling them to retailers.

With its near monopoly as a trader of rough stones, De Beers has been able to maintain and increase the prices of diamonds by regulating their supply. It has never done much to create jobs or generate skills (beyond standard mining employment) in diamond-producing countries, but it delivered big and stable revenues for their governments. Botswana, Namibia, Tanzania and South Africa are four of Africa's richest and most stable countries, in part because of De Beers.

One family got extremely rich too. The Oppenheimers created the “single-channel marketing” system of shovelling all available stones to the clearing house. They came to dominate De Beers after Ernest Oppenheimer took control of most of Namibia's diamond mines nearly a century ago. He formed a mining conglomerate called Anglo American, before grabbing the chairmanship of De Beers. The family is thought to be worth around $4.5 billion today; Nicky Oppenheimer, Ernest's grandson, is Africa's richest man. The family still owns a more than 40% direct stake in De Beers, and its members—Nicky Oppenheimer and his son, Jonathan—run the firm. It may own more De Beers shares held indirectly through Anglo American's 45% stake.

But this stable, established and monopolistic system is now falling apart. Three things have happened. First, other big miners got hold of their own supplies of diamonds, far away from southern Africa and from De Beers's control. In Canada, Australia and Russia rival mining firms have found huge deposits of lucrative stones: BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and Alrosa have been chipping away at De Beers's dominance for two decades.

De Beers once controlled (though did not mine directly) some 80% of the world supply of rough stones. As recently as 1998 it accounted for nearly two-thirds of supply. Today production from its own mines gives it a mere 45% share. Only a contract to sell Russian stones lifts its overall market share to around 55%.

That is a painful shift, but De Beers is still the biggest diamond producer. And rival mining firms do share one big interest with it: high prices for the stones they dig from the ground. That is why, although it is under pressure, the central clearing system that sustains high prices could yet survive a bit longer. Rather than controlling a pure monopoly, De Beers might be able to run a quasi-cartel that stops the market from opening fully. De Beers says the price of rough stones is still rising; the price of polished stones has risen by 10% this year, according to polishedprices.com, an independent diamond website that tries to track such things.

Worth fighting for

The next challenge might be manageable too. De Beers's system is highly secretive. Nobody knows the ultimate source of particular diamonds it sells, as all are mixed together in London. But De Beers faced extraordinary public-relations pressure after it emerged that rebel armies in Africa were funding their wars by selling what became known as conflict diamonds.

Since 2000 almost 70 countries and all of the big industry players (under the threat of consumer boycotts and activist campaigns by, among others, a London-based group called Global Witness) have adopted standards designed to prove the origins of their diamonds. The so-called Kimberley Process is now in force: governments must issue certificates of origin for the stones they export, and the stones can then be tracked.

It was under this agreement that Congo-Brazzaville was punished last week by being expelled from the Process (the first country ever to be thus censured). As a result, legal trade in its diamonds should cease. It is a test case for the industry.

The introduction of the Process could have threatened De Beers, which wanted to maintain the right to buy diamonds anywhere it pleased and to keep its purchases secret. Eli Izhakoff of the World Diamond Council, an industry body based in New York, says the new rules mean “the industry is changing—it is nothing like it was four or five years ago.”

But although the regulations make it easier to track the flow of rough diamonds, they have not required De Beers to open all its books to public scrutiny. Most of those diamond-fuelled African wars are over. And the firm has a declining interest in buying up any rough stones that appear on the market. It knows that its ability to control world supplies is dwindling.

It is the third challenge that is much more troublesome. This is a threat to break up entirely the way De Beers organises the industry. It can best be summed up in two words: Lev Leviev.

Like the Oppenheimers, Mr Leviev has made himself very rich over the past three decades. An Israeli of Uzbek descent, he is reputedly worth around $2 billion. Though he has interests in transport and property, his real love is diamonds. His Lev Leviev Group is the world's largest cutter and polisher of them. He has mining interests too: his fleet of clanking mining ships began operating off Namibia's coast earlier this year, sucking up diamonds from the sea bed. He boasts it is the world's second-largest fleet; only De Beers has a bigger one.

And Mr Leviev recently moved into diamond retailing. He claims that he is the only tycoon with interests in every stage of production from “mine to mistress” (a canard in the industry holds that men buy more diamonds for their mistresses than for their wives). But his real power lies in the cutting and polishing businesses.

Mr Leviev says he is the only tycoon with interests in every stage of production from “mine to mistress”

He has factories in Armenia, Ukraine, India, Israel and elsewhere. These give him power to challenge De Beers's central clearing house and seek instead to channel stones directly, and at a lower price, to his own polishers. There is a more personal explanation too. Mr Leviev long worked as one of those De Beers sightholders, buying unseen parcels of stones at non-negotiable prices. Even as recently as last year he was among De Beers's clients in South Africa. Being forced to take or leave the stones granted by the diamond cartel infuriated him. He was eager to strike back.

His breakthrough came in Russia. Mr Leviev has cultivated close ties with Russian politicians, including Vladimir Putin long before he became president. Already well known as a cutter and polisher of diamonds in the 1980s, Mr Leviev was asked to help the Soviet state-owned diamond firm set up local factories 15 years ago.

He agreed and formed a joint-venture with the state firm, now called Alrosa. But he insisted that stones for the factories be supplied directly from Russian mines, rather than diverted through De Beers's central system. De Beers was furious at the loss of supply, but the factories got their local stones. When the factories were privatised, Mr Leviev somehow emerged as the exclusive owner.

What happened in Russia set a pattern for clashes elsewhere. Mr Leviev has found that governments welcome factories that create jobs and add value to the diamonds they export; it is a smart way to snipe at De Beers.

Can Lev levitate?

Angola was next. Angola's diamonds are among the world's best when measured by value per carat (see chart) and promise a lucrative return for anyone who can market them. De Beers has had a long interest there. Mr Leviev first invested $60m in the country in 1996, financing a mine at a time when civil war was raging. And just as he cultivated Russia's governing elite, he struck up warm relations in Angola.

It was a well-timed move. The Angolan government despised De Beers. In the days when its monopoly was secure, De Beers regularly bought up any supply of rough diamonds that appeared on the market. It was accused of helping, indirectly, to fund UNITA, the rebel army in Angola, which sold huge quantities of diamonds. In 2001 De Beers ended a spat with the government by quitting the country. By then Mr Leviev had already moved in, eager for another supply of good stones.

By the time the government won Angola's war in 2002, thereby getting control of all the country's diamond mines, the contracts it had struck with Mr Leviev (ie, those lost by De Beers) were worth $850m a year, a sum greater even than that lost by De Beers in Russia.

Mr Leviev has not had it all his own way. Last year Angola's government abruptly cancelled three-quarters of his deal. Some observers accused Mr Leviev of using underhand means (he is close to the daughter of José Eduardo dos Santos, Angola's president) to win them in the first place. Yet, however he did it, Mr Leviev showed in Angola that he could barge aside De Beers in a valuable area near its southern African heartland.

Mr Leviev has been inspired to take another swipe at his rival. On June 28th he took the arm of Sam Nujoma, Namibia's president, and guided him around a sparkling new diamond-polishing factory in Windhoek, Namibia's capital. “For years we have been told this could not be done,” commented various Namibian politicians.

Now Mr Leviev, saviour-like, strode around his factory, showing off row upon row of workers, who wore uniform green overalls and fiddled with chrome machines and modern flat-screen computers. Mr Leviev boasts that, with its capacity for 550 workers, the factory is Africa's biggest.

Jonathan Oppenheimer, affable heir to the Oppenheimer dynasty, says he does not understand what Mr Leviev is up to in Namibia: “And when we don't understand, we worry.” He is right to be concerned. Mr Leviev's obvious next step in Namibia is to challenge De Beers directly. De Beers's mines are run in a joint venture with the government called Namdeb. A 1999 mining law lets the government force any miner to supply stones locally. If Mr Leviev demands it, the government could tell De Beers to provide stones directly to Mr Leviev's new factory, a repeat of the Russian blow.

Clearing up

More important, if Namibia is able to establish a viable cutting and polishing industry using its own stones, then why not every other diamond-producing country too? That would seriously threaten De Beers. Mr Nujoma all but dared his neighbours to follow suit. “To our brothers and sisters of neighbouring states, Angola, Botswana, South Africa, I hope this gives you inspiration to try to imitate what we have here,” he said at the factory opening.

Mr Leviev is building another factory in Luanda, Angola, partly hoping to curry favour with the government. More important, he is offering to build a factory in Botswana, the jewel in the crown of De Beers's empire. De Beers has close ties with the Botswana government: they share a joint venture, Debswana, that exclusively mines the country's diamonds; Botswana gets a huge share of its foreign currency and a large part of its national income from diamond revenues. It is a similar arrangement to that in Namibia.

In an interview in Windhoek last month, Mr Leviev said he had offered Botswana's government a factory to employ “tens of thousands” of people, a scale vastly larger than in Namibia. A senior civil servant from Botswana toured the Windhoek factory with Mr Leviev. As Mr Oppenheimer concedes, this is a delicate time for Mr Leviev to be courting in southern Africa. De Beers is still renegotiating the terms of an 18-year lease on the Jwaneng mine, in southern Botswana, which is due to expire at the end of this month. The mine is thought to be worth $1.3 billion a year, producing stones of a quality that would have Mr Leviev salivating.

More broadly, De Beers must renegotiate the terms of all its marketing operations in Botswana and in Namibia every five years. These talks are also due. While no-one expects Mr Leviev to break up De Beers's relationships in these countries—Mr Oppenheimer is confident that the government will not do anything to risk its big revenues—his appearance on the scene puts pressure on De Beers.

The obvious step for De Beers now would be to take on Mr Leviev at his own game. In Botswana and Namibia there have been a few diamond-polishing factories backed by De Beers. But De Beers does not want to be involved in that stage of diamond production.

It is first a miner and only belatedly a retailer of diamonds. But it is blocked from the production steps in between as long as it remains the major supplier of stones to the whole industry, says Mr Oppenheimer. Buyers of its stones would suspect De Beers of holding back the best diamonds for its own manufacture and would revolt.

Nor does Mr Oppenheimer think a polishing industry is viable in many diamond-producing countries, whatever Mr Leviev says. In Namibia just a few hundred people work as polishers and cutters. There are few skilled workers, the scale of production is small and wage costs are roughly ten times that of India, which dominates the world market and where 900,000 people work as basic polishers.

Nor are small countries, such as Namibia, likely to develop the top-level skills needed for the very highest-quality stones. Those skills are concentrated in a few cities, such as Antwerp, Tel Aviv and New York. Within southern Africa, only South Africa has a long-established cutting and polishing industry, to which De Beers supplies some good-quality stones (“specials” in the language of the trade). But Mr Leviev probably does not care. A few factories may be uneconomic, but if they allow him to get hold of direct supplies of diamonds, then so be it.

A polished act

Mr Oppenheimer is worried that a more fragmented industry will not just damage De Beers, but that the whole industry might collapse. Consumers believe diamonds are valuable largely because of decades of clever marketing by De Beers and its clients. De Beers itself spent $180m on advertising last year, its clients a further $270m. That sort of spending could not be co-ordinated and sustained, he suggests, if the industry were to fragment.

That is a risk; but there are opportunities for De Beers too. As it has lost market share, the old goliath has become nimbler. No longer focusing exclusively on defending a cartel, De Beers is freer to make decisions according to commercial interest. For instance, it now buys fewer stones at uneconomic prices; profits matter more than market share. A trimmer De Beers, with a pared down list of clients, might even be able to make bigger profits than the old giant. Last year it produced healthy profits of $676m on sales of $5.5 billion.

But its decision to settle American antitrust charges laid against it in 1994 points to how much it is feeling the pressure. De Beers executives should now be free to travel to America to conduct business without fear of arrest. That should make it easier to promote De Beers LV, a hitherto disappointing partnership with the luxury-goods firm LVMH to market De Beers-branded diamonds.

That venture may prove essential for De Beers's long-term health, as more producers bet on getting a presence in profitable diamond retailing. Already rivals are moving: Canada's Ekati mine markets its stones directly to consumers; Mr Leviev's firm struck a deal in May with Bulgari, an Italian jewellery maker, to market Leviev-branded stones. De Beers's days of market dominance are clearly drawing to a close. But consumers should not get too excited just yet. Whether a duopoly or oligopoly emerges, diamond prices are not going to plummet. Mr Leviev will be among those putting a stop to that.

Copyright © 2004 The Economist Newspaper and The Economist Group. All rights reserved.
 

Saw your post, so before I leave, thought you might be interested.

There are already two US companies either producing or about to produce synthetic diamonds and apparently they are perfect.

One is named Gemesis (not sure of spelling).
The other, I cannot remember the name, but if I run across it, I will bring it to your attention. I believe it was the former that stated all their diamonds would be laser identified as man made.

One or both is heavily into colored diamonds, some of which are apparently more valuable (as I understand it) than clear.
Down the road, it would seem that if such diamonds can be produced on a commercial scale (and it appears that they can be), that should very much lower the value of natural diamonds since they may be a lot cheaper and no one can tell the difference by just looking at them in jewelry...unless they are experts. Even the ones from Russia got past the experts.
 

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Originally posted by Bob Frey:
TW I agree a waste of bandwidth. But as long as folks stay away from profanity we try to let it go.

N enough with what you think you know about others please.

G find it hard to think you got in the middle of all this.

W I would have said it once and moved on.

All why waste your time posting about others? Try talking about the company and it's stock.

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Noah he already did look at it and here is his response.

Tic thanks for finally good posts.

Hi JBCak - You can sit in my pew anytime and so can anyone else on this board. If I ever find a perfect church I will not be joining it since that would be the end of its perfection.

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It appears a large percentage of the shares are NOT being bought or sold, just transferred back and forth between the MM's.

I posted this observation last week, but very few people seemed to have comments. Given the huge disparity below, I think this is an important area of investigation so I will try it again in the hope someone with more knowledge of MM behavior can fill us in.

What I am documenting below is based upon this mornings time and sales info from L2 (approx 7:40 AM PST). I have tracked this pattern for over a week, and if anything it is more out of synch now then ever.
Here is what I am observing on L2
Current share volume 2,134,127,387
Current $ volume = $69,541
Current # of transactions = 59

If you do the math, you can see the problem
First, share volume divided by $ volume = .000033 per share (One too many zero’s here)
Second, the $ volume does not match up. If you multiply the volume X bid price (low average) you get a $ volume of $640,238. As you can see above, the reported dollar volume is only 69,541.

My only conclusion is that the volume is not real. For some reason the MM’s are just transferring among themselves at no spread and with no exchange of monies.
If true, why would they do it, and is it legal…..all comments welcome
 

you can read press releases related to the three announced dividends. Also you can review all the subsidiaries of UCAD and look at pictures of their operations.

The company is meeting in Canada this week and Roger Glenn is there. I hope we get some seriously good news via PR this week.
GLTA-IMO-DD-Debi
 

Hi everyone

I just picked up another 250k shares of CMKX

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Urban is our modern day Robin Hood because he will legally take from the rich (or not give to the rich) to give to the poor (or those who are more in line of the needy). This is the love the Urban makes manifest for his CMKX shareholders.

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On the advice of diamondogg11 I am going to start an Acronym thread to build a list of commonly used acronyms for the newbies and post in the "Hall Of Fame". If you reply here I will add it to my post and delete your post so don't panic if you notice it is gone.

I will alphabetize them later. Please post (or PM) them in the format below.

Here is what we have so far,

IR - Investor Relations
Melvin - CMKX IR person.
Sterling - Beloved Story Teller
T/A - Transfer Agent
TA - Transfer Agent
UC - Urban Casavant
IMO - In My Opinion
IMHO - In My Humble Opinion
JMO - Just My Opinion
AFAIAC - As far as I am concerned
WTF - What the (heck)
RG - Roger Glenn
NS - Naked Short
NSS - Naked Short Share
ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor laughing my (buttox) off
LOL - Laughing out Loud
LMAO - Laughing my (butt) off
BS - Bull(crap)
UM - Uncle Melvin
TIA - Thanks in Advance
KTF - Keep the faith
A/S - Authorized Shares
O/S - Outstanding Shares
GLTA - Good Luck To All
MM - Market Maker
CIM - Casavant International Mining
EOM - End of message
JTF - Just the facts

 

Sorta puts my measily 3.5 million, well 3.75 million into context.
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WWJD,

About the church being perfect,lol, very well said!hahah...lol...

How does this guy go about getting one billion shares?!?!?!? I remember willy use to bash Qbid,I don't know if he still does. But wow, 1 billion shares!!!Insane!

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Trading Wizardress

Did this thread go to the byrds or something....
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-A byrd Brain Idea-
 

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You believe that, or are you being sarcastic?
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Originally posted by byrdturd:
Wow, Willy and his one billion shares...

Sorta puts my measily 3.5 million, well 3.75 million into context.
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WWJD,

About the church being perfect,lol, very well said!hahah...lol...

How does this guy go about getting one billion shares?!?!?!? I remember willy use to bash Qbid,I don't know if he still does. But wow, 1 billion shares!!!Insane!

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Trading Wizardress

Did this thread go to the byrds or something....
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-A byrd Brain Idea-

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Are you what I am thinking you are

 

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Investwdd
Is all the volume real or massive MM Manipulation
« Thread started on: Today at 10:42am »

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NOAH, i don't know how you came by that dataset... i have datasets that show the values just where they should be MILION$+, and they come from a VERY reliable source.....
the current tally is 1,043,975,532 shares and $410,956 $
this is a typical day... so once again i say that the truth is hard to find on this board....
by the way, VERY few of those trades are on the bid, so the MM's are still selling alot more than they are buying, but that doesn;t mean they are naked shorting.....
and no i can't post a link, cuz it comes thru on an APPLET(one of two that i am running simultaneously)--it's a very expensive subscription site--
microcaptrade

 

Depends upon what you are thinking, hun

-The Byrd Man of Alcatraz-
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Noah, desperate times call for desperate measures?!?!? heheh...

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Trading Wizardress

Depends upon what you are thinking, hun

-The Byrd Man of Alcatraz-

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I am thinking about the only person that calls me Trading Wizardress lol and someone who at some point had 3.5 millions shares as me.
Welcome back, I worried about your last post, was going to give you a light poke in a butt, but I guess was too late. Well I am glad you are back.

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If you have a problem with it, you can go argue over at the CMKX unofficial board, they're claiming to be using the same source as you.
 

as per my postings I am a 'New Member' guys

I am just a byrdturd, not even a byrd...lol...

If you are thinking I am that loud mouthed, JB character, well then... byrds to you!

Wizardess/hun, what two investors both can have ALMOST 4 million shares??lolol...

Kick in the butt? Byrds have butss? hehe...

This byrd was not about to be un-nested or was about to 'fly the coop'... This byrd has his 'bomber' fixed and sighted on something....heheheh....

-A byrd Brain-

Please feed the Byrds and Pigeons... we need to eat too!

$48,000 at 0.0001
Sold at 0.0003
bought back in at 0.000175
sold all at 0.0008 except 20M

made lots of cash.

I missed the first run, and bought chasing, so I only have a million at 0.0007, now waiting for the plan to unfold.

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Are you addicted when Allstocks.com is your homepage?
 

But the homepage is a red flag on the way to addiction... There's still hope for you however...

-Byrds away-
 

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Glassman, I didn't do the numbers, but yours were done at 1 billion plus. The posted numbers were done at 2 bil plus and it is currently over 3 billion.

If you have a problem with it, you can go argue over at the CMKX unofficial board, they're claiming to be using the same source as you.

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i don't have a problem with it, somebody asked me to point out the lies. re-posting others posts allows you to have some of that wriggle room don't it......
the point is that i have just learned what i came here to learn.... thank you---

The byrd is just happy to be here at Allstocks... Byrd words have gotten me in trouble before but I can hold my own...

Now this byrd needs some byrd seed... Its been a hell of a morning!

Ohhh Wizardress I also bought 475k shares of USCI.... It was that or buy 500k shares of cmkx... I went with the split version

-About to be byrded-

As I stated, at the site I picked it up on, another poster used the same sources as you to verify the numbers.

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I apologise to those that have read this information before BUT it is the first time someone has actually posted the evidence for fake volumes as opposed to simply stating that high volumes occur! It is plane and simple that these volumes are evidently fake from the figures below.

Can someone tell me have you seen such a large discrepence in any other stock because to me it looks stupidly obvious....how can they get away with this? Surely it can't be normal for other stocks can it. I can't beleive that they would fake such a large volume infront of everyone so blatently....i mean literally have the highes traded volume in the market and it only takes a little snooping to find this inconsistency....take a look!!

THANKS Investwdd FOR FINDING THIS BRILLIANT WORK!:

It appears a large percentage of the shares are NOT being bought or sold, just transferred back and forth between the MM's.

I posted this observation last week, but very few people seemed to have comments. Given the huge disparity below, I think this is an important area of investigation so I will try it again in the hope someone with more knowledge of MM behavior can fill us in.

What I am documenting below is based upon this mornings time and sales info from L2 (approx 7:40 AM PST). I have tracked this pattern for over a week, and if anything it is more out of synch now then ever.
Here is what I am observing on L2
Current share volume 2,134,127,387
Current $ volume = $69,541
Current # of transactions = 59

If you do the math, you can see the problem
First, share volume divided by $ volume = .000033 per share (One too many zero’s here)
Second, the $ volume does not match up. If you multiply the volume X bid price (low average) you get a $ volume of $640,238. As you can see above, the reported dollar volume is only 69,541.

My only conclusion is that the volume is not real. For some reason the MM’s are just transferring among themselves at no spread and with no exchange of monies.
If true, why would they do it, and is it legal…..all comments welcome

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Where's the dollar volume coming from? Anyone know where this kind of info is published.
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Spaz, I obtained the $ volume from my subscription to MicrocapTrade which is at OTCCHARTS.COM. It is a service dedicated to trading penny's. I also have it from my Schwab CyberTrader, so it is verified in two places.

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Originally posted by noahltl:
I post from other sources and allow investors here to make up their own minds on the validity of the post. I don't need any "wriggle room". I respect them enough to believe they are totally capable of deciding for themselves if it is valid or not.

As I stated, at the site I picked it up on, another poster used the same sources as you to verify the numbers.

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well, i usually use the source of my dataset as part of my reliabiltiy quotient. you are posting quotes, and i was curious where they came from that's all....this "unofficaial site"-- is it posssible to post a link?????
 

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l....this "unofficaial site"-- is it posssible to post a link?????

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we could tell you, but then we would have to kill you.
http://cmkx.********s35.com/index.cgi

you'll have to decode the rest yourself

 

LOL--thanx, just curious....that's all

 

when i posted earlier the share volume looked correct and added up-- but since then it has been fluctuating and unreliable... hmmmm
 

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the DOLLAR volume is LISTED as $795,106---

when i posted earlier the share volume looked correct and added up-- but since then it has been fluctuating and unreliable... hmmmm

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hmmm 800,000$ divided by .0004 equals 2 billion???? too high... oh well, i guess i should complain..LOL

4.2 billion unusually enormous
 

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but on my online trading program it states :

Volume -165,137,344

My program adds and subtracts shares bought and sold each day. There may have been over 4B shares traded, but ... figure out the rest!
 

First Niagara Investment Advisors, Inc. -
Shares Held: 2,000,000
Change: 2,000,000
% O/S: 0.3%

Wagner Capital Management Corporation Shares Held: 999,999
Change: 999,999
% O/S: 0.1%

these percentages are completely inaccurate.

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Originally posted by tradingpennys:
Ownership

CMKM Diamonds Inc ( CMKX )

% of outstanding shares: .04%

Top 20 Holders (13F)
Institutions

First Niagara Investment Advisors, Inc. -Shares Held: 2,000,000
Change: 2,000,000
% O/S: 0.3%
Turnover: Mid
Style: Core Growth
Inv: IA

Wagner Capital Management Corporation Shares Held: 999,999
Change: 999,999
% O/S: 0.1%
Turnover: Low
Style: Growth
Inv: IA

Greylin Investment Management, Inc. Shares Held 40,000
Change 40,000
% O/S 0.0%
Turnover: Mid
Style: Core Value
Inv: IA

http://ownership.thomsonfn.com/ownership/Ownership.aspx?part ner=Mzg0UVU5TUxURT1QJFkEQUALSTO&template=1&ticker=CMKX

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GXXL -- Global Explorations Inc.
Com ($0.0001)
Primary Venue: Pink Sheets

Best Bid: 0.0036 (5000 shares)
Best Ask: 0.0039 (5000 shares) *

Date/Time of Last Inside Change: 14:44 * Quoted on the Pink Sheets

Want real-time level two quotes in this security?
TRADE DATA Last Sale: 0.0039
Change: -0.0002

Percent Change: -4.88
Tick: Up
Daily High: 0.0041 Daily Low: 0.0036

Opening Price: 0.0041 Volume: 3,550,768
Annual High: 2.0000
Annual Low: 0.0012
Dividend: 0.000 Earnings/Share: 0.00
Previous Close: 0.0041 P/E ratio: N/A
Yield: 0.00
Beta Coefficient: 0.51
Last Trade Date/Time: 15:12

Ameritrade Real time quote...
Extended Quote (Real-Time)

Global Explor New (GXXL)


Bid Ask Last 0.0039
Open 0.0041 Close 0.0041 Change -0.0002
High 0.0041 Low 0.0036 % Change -4.88
Volume 3550768 Last Size 105000 B/A Size
Last Trade Tue Aug 10 2004 15:12:36
Asset Type Equity
P/E 52 Wk. High 52 Wk. Low
Quote Type Real-Time Exchange OTC

Dividends

Amount Yield Ex-Div Date

Quote as of: Tue Aug 10 2004 3:36:44 PM EDT


 

Dear ------------------------:

Thank you for contacting us today concerning CMKM Diamonds.

At this time, the distribution rate has not been received by Ameritrade. I
apologize for the inconvenience.

If you have further concerns or inquiries, please reply to this message.

Sincerely,

Jason Becker
Apex Reorganization and Safekeeping, Ameritrade
Division of Ameritrade, Inc.

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Nice to see you again.

Those investment companies are very small by normal standards. In addition, 2 mil + 1 mil-, + 40K or even a full million is very insignificant. I think you might be saying the same thing as well as indicating that one of those firms dumped CMKX shares. Correct me if I am wrong.
 

Pink Sheets...

CMKX -- CMKM Diamonds, Inc.
Com ($0.0001)
Primary Venue: Pink Sheets

Best Bid: 0.0003 (1000000 shares)
Best Ask: 0.0004 (2 shares) *

Date/Time of Last Inside Change: 14:39 * Quoted on the Pink Sheets

Want real-time level two quotes in this security?
TRADE DATA Last Sale: 0.0004
Change: +0.00

Percent Change: +0.00
Tick: Up
Daily High: 0.0004 Daily Low: 0.0003

Opening Price: 0.0004 Volume: 291,073,867
Annual High: 0.0040
Annual Low: 0
Dividend: 0.000 Earnings/Share: 0.00
Previous Close: 0.0004 P/E ratio: N/A
Yield: 0.00
Beta Coefficient: 0.71
Last Trade Date/Time: 15:35

AmeriTrade Real time Quote...

Extended Quote (Real-Time)
Cmkm Diamonds Inc (CMKX)

Bid Ask Last 0.0004
Open 0.0004 Close 0.0004 Change 0.00
High 0.004 Low 0.0003 % Change 0.00
Volume 214569591 Last Size 1300000 B/A Size
Last Trade Tue Aug 10 2004 15:52:10
Asset Type Equity
P/E 52 Wk. High 52 Wk. Low
Quote Type Real-Time Exchange OTC

 

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Originally posted by tic_toc:
lol which stock was it? Didnt know there was any other stocks this heavily traded

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Hi tradingpennys,

Nice to see you again.

Those investment companies are very small by normal standards. In addition, 2 mil + 1 mil-, + 40K or even a full million is very insignificant. I think you might be saying the same thing as well as indicating that one of those firms dumped CMKX shares. Correct me if I am wrong.

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I found that info. on through my AOL account. I had seen that page about a month ago and at that time there were only 2 co.'s listed. Just thought I would post it to see what is said. Thanks for the welcome Wallace.

 

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Originally posted by tic_toc:
something does not tally.

First Niagara Investment Advisors, Inc. -
Shares Held: 2,000,000
Change: 2,000,000
% O/S: 0.3%

Wagner Capital Management Corporation Shares Held: 999,999
Change: 999,999
% O/S: 0.1%

these percentages are completely inaccurate.

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If they are sooooooo inaccurate why don't you click on the link and see!

 

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I think we will continue to see .0004 for at least a few more days...

Any higher up in PPS and it may cause higher buying pressure, which could spark a run-up...

Going down to 1/2/3's would only cause more buying pressure... since we could easily lock in great rates!

So what is the best they can do? I guess it's .0004

3.75 million shares and counting

Payday is just a few days away...

-Byrd's the word-
 

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Originally posted by bill1352:
tradingpennys...that is what the post says but that would mean the total o/s of cmkx is 1 billion and i don't think even sterling could say that with a straight face...lol

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You have a point there! lol
 

Next comment: I've decided a long time ago that I will not talk about the share structure of this company. 99% of the questions I'm getting pertain to share structure. Today I've had some conversation with 2 very intelligent people regarding this subject. These people know what they are talking about. They know a heck of a lot more than I do. Therefore when I come back on Sterling's board and I won't be coming back everyday. I will only come back when there will be a PR out and we can discuss it. I'm nog going to say things not brought out in PR. When PR is out, I will take questions pertaining to that PR. Same goes for phone. What's happening is that people are bombarding me with questions that I can't answer. I wish on my stars that I could but for the betterment of the company, the answer is no. When I mean "no comment" I mean "no comment". So don't ask the same questions over and over again. Uncle Melvie didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I know when someone is asking the same questions from a different angle. Yes, I know exactly what he is thinking. If he won't answer then what is the point. I will tell you all about drilling, land claims, borders of SASK. What I WILL NOT tell you or discuss is the share structure of this company. I do not live in Las Vegas. I do not constantly talk to UC. UC does not tell me about lawyers, TA's mergers, wheelings and dealings. What UC tells me is: Mel, you stick to the PR's and to what you know which is the FALC diamond project. From now on, I will not talk about share structure. If you have questions about share structure, I will write them down and fax them down to Mr. C. and let Mr. C. and the lawyers answer the questions. If he doesn't respond then he is not going to answer it.

What else can I get off my chest?

We are starting to drill. Either started yesterday afternoon or this morning. We won't have results bing bang boom. Probably take a couple weeks before we have results.

Meeting is going ahead as scheduled either later today or tomorrow. I'm going but I don't know who will be there.

Results of meeting will be made public in PR.

I won't say we are going to the moon or such. I do get excited sometimes.

We are working very hard. If you would like to come up here for yourself come on up. You're more than welcome.

Everyone is working hard, and we are striving to get ahead. In fact, I know we will get ahead.

I can't think of anything else to say. Since I won't answer questions today and only be here a couple of minutes I will relinquish the mic. and stay on Paltalk and listen to a few comments.

Commenting about songs he plays not being subliminal. Nothing about songs related to CMKX except for Fleetwood Mac, Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.

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After half an hour he came back and said nobody called..

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After half an hour he came back and said nobody called..

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I had decided to be silent for a while as many appeared to be delusional about CMKX. I have not intended to offend anyone only to help many to find a reasonable position with CMKX.

I haver to say what I have seen here is unbelievable.

This is a market maker ploy and many of you are falling for it. Obviously bashers have infiltrated our midst, but it isn’t the ones most are pointing the finger at. Many pointing the fingers are the bashers.

We tried to warn everyone to be rooted in DD and be long on this stock. If you were in it for the short then you were in it for the wrong reasons.

The best thing for most to do is either sell or walk away from the computer because you are only doing damage to yourself and other investors.

CMKX is still the bomb and obviously few are playing it for the long term.

That’s all I have to say.

Go ahead and bash away at me as well.

But Success is still ours.

Dr.D





 

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Originally posted by bill1352:
i've been reading how a few of the super pumpers are now saying the mm's may not have to cover any naked shorts before the ucad dividend is due or the date we need to own cmkx to get it. when the dividend was first announced they were yelling how great it was because all had to cover by that date...not that i ever read their whole posts i just cant be in fantisy land that long without brain cramps...but i wish they'd get their story straight...i believe all naked shorts were covered at the .001 run myself but the numbers say if its shorted a little it would not make sence to cover ucad shares when 10 days later they would have to cover with cim shares too...lets say 1 billion shares are naked, the mm's get $400,000 they would need to buy 15,000 shares of ucad at a $6 pps thats $90,000. they make $310,000 to us thats good money but in mm land its not much and thats not figuring in the ucad o/s. we have seen it move .25 on a few thousand shares thus increasing the cost. by adding the cim in its just not worth the hassle and the juinia too. you've turned a $310,000 profit into busy work and there are plenty of other stocks to short for real mm money to be bothered with busy work. IMO if its shorted it wont be by the 17th and if the pps doesn't move much it isn't shorted much. the pps is due to a stupidly high o/s. if the o/s was within reason even without diamond results the pps would be .25 or there abouts. to many things say cmkx could find huge amounts of diamonds. JMO

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I don't disagree with you bill. I've never made any predictions as to what the O/S may look like but I'm perfectly willing to agree that 483 billion sounds reasonable. But even at that number, and as much as I would like for it to be lower, if the company is really sitting on diamonds or other minerals than I believe the company is undervalued at .0004. That puts the company at $200 million and when I look at the adjacent DeBeers property along with it's value (billions $) it simply means that the company has tremendous potential.

That potential keeps me here long and strong knowing that the money I have in this is money I'm willing to risk. I don't discount the risks by the way, but I also don't discount all the DD that makes up the potential.

Long and strong at 10 million shares.

 

I've never followed Mr. Melvin... I understand he has connections with CMKX and from what has been said he is extremely knowledgable in certain areas, however he never striked me as someone who was particularly in 'the loop' but then again I maybe 100% wrong... I was just never very sure you know. The worst he is harmless, like a stingless bee, which there are you know, in the Galapagoes (sp?!) Islands... No natural enemies on the Island other than byrds,lol...

I am just sticking to what the PR's say and so far everything has been good...

Huge O/S or not we are dealing with precious materials... hopefully lots of it.

Some of the other boards are in an uproar but I think we need to just hang tight and wait for CMKX to offcially give us a nod, in one way or another...

Nothing has changed except for the fact I felt more comfortable today in CMKX so I bought more shares

Now I just have to decide what to eat for dinner... Chinese?!?!

Where's our wizardress ???lol...
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Money P...

How are you buddy??? What a day today! The name may be different but I'm still the same Patrol DewBack Lizard kind of guy (think the can man...hehehe)

=============================================Pharm

How's the waterin' hole been??? I gather you've been in it,lol... that or you've been working... lol...

Our qbid is still doing strong !!!

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-The Bearded Byrded Buffalo-
 

Congrats on your 3.75 million - so if this things goes 1 dollar, you will be 250K richer - good for you.
I am keeping my finger crossed on USCI, second day in the row it peaked at 0.0003 - I remember when CMKX started to peaked like that about 2-3 months ago.

 

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Originally posted by cool1sh:
Sine we dont have Upside today, I copied this from other thread..
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First of all a couple things I'd like to address.

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Hey coolish, where did you get this thread from? Can post the link?

Fifth, CMKI believes that its shareholders and the targeted company's shareholders will best benefit from a "cross-dividend" policy. For example, if CMKI acquires a new target company in an exchange of shares, CMKI will pay its shareholders a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of shares exchanged with the new target company. The shareholders of the new target company will be treated with the same fairness and therefore will be entitled to receive a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of CMKI shares exchanged with the new target company. Since the mining and mineral resources business is highly fragmented, CMKI believes that its acquisition strategy will provide a way to leverage its assets into a larger more diversified portfolio of companies.

7,500,000 x 8% = 600,000

If distribution is: .0000155

then 600,000 / .0000155 = 38,709,677,419

lol, now we really are grasping all hope of the O/S not being 483 billion.

This stocks wreacking my brain, I'm calling it a day. Hope you people dont cut each others throats before the morning
 

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Originally posted by Brad:
Hey coolish, where did you get this thread from? Can post the link?

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Our current Market Cap is 200 million at 500 bill OS, even if all we find is one pipe worth 2 billion that is a ten fold increase. We could easily move to .004.

With my shares I would make 100 K. That isn't too shabby.

I really believe that is the absolute worst case here. IMO. I know we want to be zillionaires and that is possible. All you need is for 1/2 to be owned by UC, and the 1/4 bought back and retireable.

I am very happy where I am sitting.

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This morning me and someone got into a bit of a tiff and I lost my privledges,lol... Worse then detention!

Thanks for the congrats... I really doubt if I'd be able to hold out that long... lol... I was shooting for 4.25 million shares but because of usci, I may fall short by like 150k-250k shares Who knows... If USCI makes a small run up in the next two weeks I will use half of the profits for cmkx and bank the rest...

USCI may run at the end of this month due to some new information, website, investor hotline, ect... I may start to shift focus from CMKX to USCI however my time for USCI may be limited... I guess we have to see...

-John-
 

Re your earlier post about synthetic diamonds. I did spell Gemesis correctly. The other producer I checked out was Apollo Diamonds. Both companies seem to be calling them "cultured diamonds". From what I have read about the quality, unless marked by the producer as synthetic, they cannot be detected as such.
 

RaiderJR -That certainly is a reasonable post and a reasonable evaluation. I think that is entirely attainable in the short term. I am taking a short, medium and long term view with this one. Most people would be happy to have a price movement like that in the near future. If the share count is better than expected or the naked short share theory proves true than we would also see a price gain.

As far as other stocks not getting enough attention compared to this one. I am happy to wait for this one to make its move. We know there is a meeting with Roger Glenn and various mining parties in Canada this week. The potential for good news to come from that meeting is pretty high.
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi

 

No offense, but let's just forget it. It is in the past. OK?
 

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Will,

No offense, but let's just forget it. It is in the past. OK?

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Even though we all know stock patrol is not the best source for information....I thought this was a interesting article... http://www.stockpatrol.com/schlock/doghouse/u_cmkm4.html
UPDATE: CMKM DIAMONDS, INC. (Pink Sheets: CMKX) - CONCENTRIC CIRCLES
August 10, 2004
If complicated, convoluted relationships could be transformed into diamonds, CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (Pink Sheets: CMKX), would have a wealth of revenues. The Company has recently announced a series of agreements with several other entities that turn out to have intertwining relationships and players.

The CMKM-U.S. Canadian Nexus

As we noted previously, last month the Company announced that it would sell 5% of its mineral claims to U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD) in exchange for 7.5 million shares of U.S. Canadian stock. Update: CMKM Diamonds, Inc. - Sharing Shares.

This seemed like a windfall for CMKM and a monumental gamble for U.S. Canadian, whose stock was trading at approximately $4.80 per share at the time. That market price also was puzzling considering U.S. Canadian's precarious financial situation. As of March 31, 2004, U.S. Canadian had $408 in cash, no current revenues, and concerns about its ability to continue as a going concern.

While CMKM was about to enjoy a significant payday - $36 million - U.S. Canadian appeared to be buying the proverbial pig in a poke. The value of CMKM's claims remains purely speculative. CMKM has yet to disclose any meaningful revenues or disclose the discovery of marketable diamonds.

Since CMKM stopped filing public reports with the SEC in July 2003, there has been a dearth of verifiable information about the Company's operations and financial condition. Instead, "news" about CMKM has been fueled by vague press releases, tout sheets from promoters, and chatter on Internet Message Boards.

The agreement with U.S. Canadian also afforded CMKM the possibility of another boon. U.S. Canadian was given a one year option to acquire an additional 10% of CMKM's mineral claims for $15 million in cash. In view of U.S. Canadian's financial woes this seemed unlikely to occur within the short one year period. Unlikely, however, did not translate into impossible.

It took just nine days. On July 27th, CMKM announced that it had received $3 million from U.S. Canadian, representing a partial exercise of the option. CMKM did not say where U.S. Canadian obtained those funds. Neither did U.S. Canadian, which issued its own press release disclosing the $3 million investment.

Many of U.S. Canadian's public shareholders may be wondering why their Company, hard-pressed for cash to fund operations and carrying cumulative losses of more than $18 million, would divert such a large chunk of cash to a seemingly speculative venture spearheaded by another company. At least one large shareholder, however, must have been quite pleased - CMKM.

Indeed, CMKM may now be U.S. Canadian's largest shareholder, with 7.5 million common shares issued by virtue of the July 2004 agreement. As of March 31, 2004, approximately 7.6 million shares of U.S. Canadian common stock had been issued and outstanding. Assuming U.S. Canadian did not issue additional shares between the end of March and July, CMKM now owns almost 50% of the U.S. Canadian common stock.

That fact casts a new light on the U.S. Canadian-CMKM relationship. And, as we discovered, there are other threads connecting CMKM, U.S. Canadian, and a small group of related companies.

Enter, Nevada Minerals

On July 26, 2004, CMKM announced that it had agreed to acquire a 60% interest in 500,000 acres of "potential Kimberlite mineral property in Saskatchewan, Canada" from Nevada Minerals Inc., a private Nevada corporation. In consideration for that interest, Nevada Minerals would receive 75 billion restricted shares of CMKM stock.

The transaction was complicated since not all of those shares would be coming directly from CMKM. Instead, CMKM would issue 35 billion shares to Nevada Minerals, and the balance, 40 billion shares, would be contributed by CMKM's CEO, Urban Casavant.

The Company claimed that the transaction had been structured in this manner to reduce potential dilution to CMKM shareholders. This sudden concern for dilution is striking. Between late 2003 and March 2004, CMKM increased its authorized common stock from 500 million to 500 billion shares. Update: CMKM Diamonds, Inc. - Less And More. The Company, which does not file public reports with the SEC, has not yet disclosed how many of these shares have been issued. If all, or almost all, of the 500 billion shares have already been doled out, CMKM may have had a second reason for asking Casavant to contribute shares to the Nevada Minerals deal. The Company may simply be running out of authorized stock.

The structure of this transaction might appeal to Casavant in any event. If the property proves profitable, Casavant will receive one half of the net proceeds from mining on the property, up to $62 million.

That payout is disproportionate to Casavant's investment in the venture. CMKM is acquiring a 60% interest in the property, presumably entitling the Company to 60% of the proceeds. Casavant is providing slightly more than half of the shares to be issued to Nevada Minerals - which should equate to a 32% interest in the property and its profits. If he receives 50% of the proceeds, CMKM will be left with just 10% - assuming Casavant's share will be coming from the 60% interest now being acquired.

The July 26th press release took pains to point out that Nevada Minerals was "unrelated to CMKM." It is, however, related to U.S. Canadian - CMKM's business partner.

As CMKM acknowledges, the "potential" kimberlite property in Saskatchewan is being developed by a joint venture between Nevada Minerals Inc. and U.S. Canadian.

The relationship between Nevada Minerals and U.S. Canadian transcends a mere joint venture.

On January 20, 2004, U.S. Canadian entered into a joint venture agreement with Nevada Minerals to develop the Saskatchewan property. Under the terms of that agreement, U.S. Canadian was required to contribute 5 million shares of its restricted common stock to the joint venture. Those shares were valued at $6.9 million on January 20th (based upon the market price of $1.38 for U.S. Canadian shares) and are currently worth $30.5 million (based upon recent market price of approximately $6.10).

In exchange for those shares, U.S. Canadian would receive 20% of the revenues generated from the property - .but there was a significant limitation on U.S. Canadian's ability to realize any revenues. The joint venture expires on January 20, 2005 - which happens to coincide with the one year holding period for the restricted shares issued to Nevada Minerals. Unless the property generates revenues within the next five months, it appears that U.S. Canadian's right to receive 20% of the proceeds will terminate.

And while U.S. Canadian has characterized the 5 million shares issuance as a contribution to the joint venture, as a practical matter it appears that the shares went directly to Nevada Minerals. A Form 3 filed with the SEC by Nevada Minerals on January 30th, identifies Nevada Minerals as the direct owner of 5 million shares of U.S. Canadian common stock and 4,850 shares of U.S. Canadian Series A Preferred stock. Each of the Series A Preferred shares could be converted into 100 shares of common stock.

As a result, Nevada Minerals became U.S. Canadian's largest common shareholder, at least until CMKM came along.

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IF:

1. IF the cross dividend initiative from this PR, http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Jan_7/ai_96198036 , is still going. It basically states that CMKX will do a number of cross dividends with selected companies and that 8% of those shares of the other companies will go to CMKX's shareholders.

2. IF Urban is only issuing that 8% of the shares from the cross dividend to CMKX's FLOAT.

3. IF the .0000155 shares of UCAD per CMKX share payout is true, as most say it is.

IF ALL of the above are true then CMKX's float HAS TO BE 40 billion!!

GREAT NEWS!

Here is the math for those needing it:
(7,500,000 shares of UCAD) * 8% = 600,000 shares
(600,000 shares of UCAD) / 0.0000155 = 38,709,677,419 shares in the FLOAT

That 38.7 billion calculated to be the float is roughly 40 billion. What makes that 40 billion number SO INTERESTING is the fact that the second dividend for us CMKX shareholders is set to be 40 billion shares of CIM. That would make for a PERFECT 1:1 share payout!

Now, what a coincidence!!!

Urban has said all along to FOLLOW THE PAST PRs!

Assuming the above 3 things are true, the FLOAT OF CMKX HAS TO BE 40 billion!

The above is all IMHO. I am not attempting to persuade anyone of anything. This is simply free speculation for the masses!

ninja


 

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As far as the dividend goes the percentages posted are for 483 Billion OS or if only 8% of the UCAD is being given that makes the OS about 40 Billion. I think the 483 Billion is the one most likely to be correct. The numbers work for either one and the possibility exists it is neither.
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I do think this has a large naked short and rather than hear that there isn't every day and argue about it; I will state that we will know very soon when the dividends are given. That is a fact. Long and strong and ready to watch the fireworks. I plan on being available to watch the stock around the dividend and naked short cover time. Good night all, IMO-DD-Debi

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
tic_toc

Re your earlier post about synthetic diamonds. I did spell Gemesis correctly. The other producer I checked out was Apollo Diamonds. Both companies seem to be calling them "cultured diamonds". From what I have read about the quality, unless marked by the producer as synthetic, they cannot be detected as such.

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3DIntel releases The Naked Short Virus Scan(TM)
3DIntel has released a new patent pending program, The Naked Short Virus Scan, which enables US based public company’s to determine short position in their stock.

Austin, TX (PRWEB) August 5, 2004 -- 3DIntel has unveiled a new patent pending program, called The Naked Short Virus Scan, which enables US based public company’s to determine short position in their stock. The scan will identify in the size of short, date of occurrence, and the brokerage houses holding the short positions.

U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission regulations in the US prohibit the shorting of all but a relatively small number of stocks that are “marginable”, usually stocks that are traded on major stock exchanges. However, the practice of naked shorting OTC stocks by some broker-dealers has become a major factor in the falling price of some issues. Illegal shorting has been linked to various stock manipulation schemes, and the practice has come under increasing fire from ADP, DTC, CDS, the Berlin Exchange, as well as by various transfer agents.

3Dintel claims that its unique patent pending process can identify the share volume of illegal shorts, and identify the broker dealers originating these positions. Armed with this information, an issuer is enabled to pursue these nefarious actives in their shares. The details of the program are provided in a book published by 3DIntel, “Naked Short Selling: The Illegal Hacking of the U.S. Financial System” - By Alan Lomax.

For more information, contact 3DIntel at 512 465-9599, or visit http://www.thirtythumbs.com/
 

link provides a site with a book for company officers to use ......
personally, i spent a lot of time this spring identifying stocks under .25$ that were vicitms of naked shorting (claims made by their PR and in these long lists that were circulated)--i did see some changes after the SEC made it clear that they were going to make this stick, but none of MY picks TOOK OFF like rockets.... and most of them dropped back down after awhile, indicating that interest waned anyway....yeah it exists, but you can't beat the MM's cuz they ARE the market and love'em or hate'em YOU NEED THEM.....

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Originally posted by Kate:
If you are referring to me, I am just me! My husband is on this board, and has the best intentions at heart, and was called a basher! I also own this stock, but I like to be informed of the whole truth! I also believe in making my Christian brothers and sisters see when they may be off the correct path, because I love them! You understood the point the Lord wanted me to share with you! It proves to me, your love for HIM!

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Hmm, Kate. Not sure I'm following you. Who were you referring to in your first sentence "If you were referring to me"? Maybe I missed something.

 

exact same letter that I recieved
 

Date Volume Open Close High Low
---- ------------- ------ ------ ------ ------
T8/10 - 411,246,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 0.0003
M8/9 - 1,675,680,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0040 0.0003
F8/6 - 3,877,010,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 0.0003
T8/5 - 3,533,070,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 0.0003
W8/4 - 3,624,960,000 0.0004 0.0003 0.0004 0.0003
T8/3 - 3,813,770,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 0.0003
M8/2 - 3,900,840,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 0.0003
F7/30 - 888,284,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0005 0.0003
T7/29 - 372,453,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0005 0.0003
W7/28 - 685,754,000 0.0005 0.0003 0.0005 0.0003
M7/26 - 3,775,940,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 0.0003
F7/23 - 604,495,000 0.0005 0.0004 0.0006 0.0003
T7/22 - 205,771,000 0.0005 0.0005 0.0006 0.0004
W7/21 - 1,697,660,000 0.0005 0.0005 0.0005 0.0004
T7/20 - 1,889,760,000 0.0004 0.0005 0.0005 0.0004
M7/19 - 1,374,850,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0006 0.0003
F7/16 - 2,374,490,000 0.0004 0.0004 0.0040 0.0003
T7/15 - 2,735,620,000 0.0003 0.0003 0.0005 0.0002
W7/14 - 2,513,300,000 0.0003 0.0003 0.0004 0.0002
T7/13 - 253,131,000 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 0.0002
M7/12 - 3,003,800,000 0.0003 0.0003 0.0004 0.0002
 

By: pattreko0
11 Aug 2004, 01:01 AM EDT
Msg. 62483 of 62551
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***O/S and Float (Adjusted)***

(This post wouldn't post properly so its a little messy)

Assumptions:

(1) The dividend ratio for UCAD shares is .0000155
(2) CMKX 8% dividend applies
(3) Just the float receives the dividend
(4) The CIM dividends are exempt from the 8% Rule

Basis for Assumptions:

(1) OTC-BB
http://otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=CMKX&dDate=08/20/2004&sDateType=record_date\

(2) 8% dividend policy
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Jan_7/ai_96198036

(3) Urban stating dividends were for the float

(4) CIM is spinning off and isn't a cross-dividend
_____________________________________________________

UCAD shares held by CMKX: 7,500,000
8% of these UCAD shares : 600,000
Dividend Ratio of UCAD : .0000155

CMKX Float = 8% of UCAD shares / dividend ratio
= 600,000 / .0000155
= 38,709,677,419

CIM Dividend Shares = 40,000,000,000

40,000,000,000 CIM dividend shares
- 38,709,677,419 CMKX Float
___________________________________________
1,290,322,581 Extra CIM dividend shares

For the old shareholders who received CMI dividends in 2003, this extra 1,290,322,581 shares of CIM will be exchanged for those old CMI shares...

To throw out a slightly educated guess for the O/S once again...

38,709,677,419 Float
+ 75,000,000,000 Nevada Minerals Restricted Shares
+ 60,000,000,000 Urban's shares (after giving up
40,000,000,000 to Nevada Minerals)
+ 28,591,935,483 Insider Restricted Shares who guarantee
Urban 51% control
___________________________________________________________
202,301,612,902 Outstanding Shares

Here is a wild, far out guess of the Float including NSS: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=61048

Assumptions:

Shareholder Base: 8,000
Average Shares Per Shareholder: 20,000,000

Float = Shareholder Base x Average Shares/Shareholder
Float = 8,000 x 20,000,000
Float = 160,000,000,000

Keep in mind this is similar to using ...

Shareholder Base: 16,000
Average Shares Per Shareholder: 10,000,000

So, now to break down the float...

Float = Real Shares + Naked Shorted Shares

Guessing a public float of 160,000,000,000 including NSS (from above):

Float - Real Shares = Naked Shorted Shares
160,000,000,000 - 38,709,677,419 = 121,290,322,581

So, the wild guess is that there are 121,290,322,581 NSS in the float...

But, if we take the 160,000,000,000 from above and assume an average daily volume of 4,000,000,000 then the average volume per day would be...

Daily Volume as a % of Float = Average Daily Volume / Float
= 4,000,000,000 /160,000,000,000
= .025
= 2.5%

A stock that trades 2.5% of the float each day is high, but I believe the MMs are creating artificial volume each day. If I were to believe anything in this whole post it would be what I just stated: MMs are creating artificial volume. By the way, keep in mind from above that the real float would be 38,709,677,419 and the float including NSS would be 160,000,000,000. For your information this post grows more speculative as it approaches the end, so be aware of that. These aren't necessarily my opinions, but make partial sense when considering certain assumptions...

~Got CMKX!~

LMAO at the implant reference. Pointed observation!
 

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am going with major retirement of shares, or reduction of the NSS. Multiple 'signals' 100, 200, 500 went by then WHAMMM!!!! Massive volume goes through?
 

quote:

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Originally posted by ali:
here is another take on O/S but it will come out soon or when UC/R.Glenn want it to. That being said, let's all relax and wait.

By: pattreko0
11 Aug 2004, 01:01 AM EDT
Msg. 62483 of 62551
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***O/S and Float (Adjusted)***

(This post wouldn't post properly so its a little messy)

Assumptions:

(1) The dividend ratio for UCAD shares is .0000155
(2) CMKX 8% dividend applies
(3) Just the float receives the dividend
(4) The CIM dividends are exempt from the 8% Rule

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Once again we see someone (and I'm refering to the original poster patterkoO) trying to justifiy CMKX as having a small O/S. I think it's pretty clear from the recent PR's and OTC information that the O/S is at the 483 billion range and not the 40 billion as the poster claims.

There are at leat two flaws in the the assumptions. Assumption 1 is, I beleive, correct. 4 is irrelevent. As for assumption 2 I think it is quite clear from the UCAD dividend PR (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040718/185046_1.html) that all 7.5 million shares will be distributed. Finally, dividends are paid on shares O/S, NOT float. If you own shares, regardless if they are free trading or restricted, you are entitled to all dividends paid on those shares.

So live with it guys. The O/S is almost 500 billion. Sorry to see it, but we've got to face reality here.

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~,-,-< GatorMan
 

quote:

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Originally posted by noahltl:
winsum
HOLY SH*T!!! 1 bil + in 1 minute!!!! I for one
« Thread started on: Today at 09:25am »

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AND THEN A HALF BILLION REVERSAL.
Are the MM's playing mind games again today? Don't think they can lay that one to a 'fat finger' trade.

08/11/04 15:14:38 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 -585896683
08/11/04 15:30:04 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 0
08/11/04 15:30:51 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 1200000
08/11/04 15:30:53 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 9000000
08/11/04 15:31:07 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 8000000
08/11/04 15:31:10 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 9999000
08/11/04 15:31:12 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 13999000
08/11/04 15:31:20 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 72659500
08/11/04 15:31:26 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1000000
08/11/04 15:31:36 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 9999000
08/11/04 15:31:38 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 7500000
08/11/04 15:31:44 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 3625000
08/11/04 15:31:48 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 13074600
08/11/04 15:32:01 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 5400000
08/11/04 15:32:07 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 999900
08/11/04 15:32:09 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 18586200
08/11/04 15:32:11 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 3666400
08/11/04 15:32:16 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1224500
08/11/04 15:32:38 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1339800
08/11/04 15:32:42 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1125000
08/11/04 15:32:48 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1500000
08/11/04 15:33:07 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 500
08/11/04 15:33:12 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 200000
08/11/04 15:33:18 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 8000000
08/11/04 15:33:20 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 7400000
08/11/04 15:33:24 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1200200
08/11/04 15:33:28 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 2666400
08/11/04 15:33:30 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 21905000
08/11/04 15:33:32 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 486750000
08/11/04 15:33:34 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 126354500
08/11/04 15:33:41 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 271094900
08/11/04 15:33:43 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1004900
08/11/04 15:33:55 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 2250000
08/11/04 15:34:01 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 5000000
08/11/04 15:34:17 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1000000
08/11/04 15:34:43 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 9000000
08/11/04 15:35:40 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1010000
08/11/04 15:35:43 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 25000
08/11/04 15:35:49 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 2999900
08/11/04 15:35:51 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 999900
08/11/04 15:35:54 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1000000
08/11/04 15:36:07 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 2000000
08/11/04 15:36:11 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 500000
08/11/04 15:36:41 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 2000000
08/11/04 15:36:43 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 45000
08/11/04 15:36:58 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 3000000
08/11/04 15:37:00 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 800000
08/11/04 15:37:44 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 7894900
08/11/04 15:37:46 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1550000
08/11/04 15:37:55 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 4000000
08/11/04 15:38:12 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 600000
08/11/04 15:38:38 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 9000000
08/11/04 15:38:40 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 92987000
08/11/04 15:39:21 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 500000
08/11/04 15:40:33 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 500000
08/11/04 15:40:42 0.0003 0.0003 0.0003 250000

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An Outline of the Casavant Maneuver? (THE BIG PICTURE)

" I don't admit to knowing all the intricacies of the plan, however, it no longer matters to me. I know what the puzzle will look like at the end (a lucrative tender offer after loads of cash and share dividends."

By: bill19336
10 Aug 2004, 05:58 PM EDT
Msg. 62305 of 62357
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An outline of the Casavant Maneuver?
____________________

W H O is involved?
---Roger Glenn would say Urban's Union is a combination of friends, family, business associates and individual shareholders (includes UCAD, CIM, GEMM, ECPN, the JV's, etc.)

***I'd say it's Ed Dhonau, Rendal William, Rick Walker, Ron Casavant, BSIC, Rick Kusmirski, the Lundins and many other big money investors.
___________________

W H A T is it?
---Roger Glenn would probably say the Union is a multi-disciplined unofficial conglomerate built by using economies of scale and a unique blend of synergy. It is managed in a decentralized and horizontally integrated corporate structure that encourages and rewards entrepreneurship.

***I'd say it's a bunch of companies that manage themselves and help each other grow with Urban's assistance.
___________________

W H E R E is it happening?
---Roger Glenn would say we have strategic partnerships located throughout the world, with connections in the US, Canada, South America, Africa and China.

***I'd say we have a lot of deals all over the place.
__________________

W H E N will it happen?
---Roger Glenn would say it's starts NOW

***I'd say 1989 to present
___________________

W H Y will it happen?
---Roger Glenn would say Urban wants to build and market the Casavant brand using a vertically integrated distribution strategy that takes control of the entire life cycle of a diamond.
---He'd also say UC wants to create a corporate tax strategy that will focus on the creation of living trusts for his heirs and allow a smooth transition to a professional management team (i.e., a new CEO, President, CFO, CTO, CIO, etc.).
---Roger would also state that Urban wants to leave the planet with the legacy of having helped the undercapitalized investor.

***I'd say Urban wants to help his family and the "little guy" by taking diamonds from the ground to the store shelf.
__________________

In my opinion, what I have laid out above is the basic framework of Urban's plan. I don't admit to knowing all the intricacies of the plan, however, it no longer matters to me. I know what the puzzle will look like at the end (a lucrative tender offer after loads of cash and share dividends). Consequently, I really don't care about the order the individual pieces are put together in. All I know for sure is that we will all be very pleased with the end result of our holdings (i.e., diamonds, gold, silver, zinc, kimberlite fertilizer, potash, platinum and uranium).

Sometimes you need to step back and look at the "Big Picture".

Good Luck and it's all speculation
http://newcmkx.********s33.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1092183328
 

Is the copy feature disabled on allstocks? It does get confusing when people reference another post indirectly. A few comments were totally lost. Even going back and trying to figure out who was referencing what, was difficult. I just tried to use the copy feature on my computer on two posts and couldn't. Tried again just now to fix this paragraph.

Gator and Noah -Interesting posts on the volume and subtraction. (I added to the buying volume).

Glassman -I remember you posting about naked short shares and they did well in the short term. My take on them going back down wasn't lack of interest but the continuation of naked shorting of some of those stocks.

As far as your reference to love em or hate em we need the MM's. Are you sure? Couldn't they be replaced by a computer? That would level the playing field to supply and demand. Assuming security was unhackable. That points out one of the biggest problems in the market. We can have all the rules in the world but as long as people are slimy there are going to be predators aiming for our wallets. I'm not sure what the answer to a level playing field would be. I think we all can see what it isn't.

I need to finish my taxes and should just log off as compelling as the market and message boards are. The August 15th deadline is looming large.
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi
 

By: astroknight
11 Aug 2004, 10:23 AM EDT

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You all know what Citigroup, Urban and the rest of us who has any sense are waiting for...We are waiting for news from Glenns meeting...That's it, that's all. OS? LOL it would matter to any other company that WASN'T about to restructure into a new one like CMKX will. I don't want old share structure info about a company that will no longer exist in it's present manifestation.

I want to know the who, what, why, when and how we are being crafted into the NEW incarnation of CMKX. I believe that is what has BEEN crafted all of these months and now it's time to ink the deal. It's the only reason you have an attorney like Glenn to do a personal meet-and-greet. I believe it's all a formality at this point hence the familial-friendly atmosphere (rumor is Glenn brought the wife along)

So I wait, I watch all the new MMs log on and wait with them. They smell money and so do I. We will see money in the up coming DAYS (IMHO) no matter WHAT is said or not said on this board.

I have been in this play since 2002. I have no problem with waiting. I made nice bucks on the first bounce and I plan to make a crap load more on the BIG bounce to come.

Waiting is fun...waiting is good...especially if you know how to occupy your time. I don't care how much money one makes..heck I can ALWAYS make money...but not one billionaire or zillionaire living can buy back even ONE MISPENT SECOND of his life. Time isn't money...it's MORE than money...it's the most precious commodity you have because you spend it but there is no way in the world to earn it back..once its gone it's gone. So spend not one more second reading this post and go spend your time wisely....HEY! are you still here?......GET GOING!!!!!

 

it could work and is being developed, but IMO a lot of people will get hurt bad before they "get the hang of it"... the hacker issue is way over my head...

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

I like the positive attitude of the repost, but OS remains a major question regardless of the company metamorphosis. Whatever the flavor of the pie, we still need to know how many slices.
 

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Wherever there is confusion there is profit.

Q: Who would sell?

1. CMKI hires Roger Glenn.
2. CMKI announces 3 stock dividends.
3. CMKI has moved drill to a new site in coordination with the joint venture (JV) partners. Site location based on Time Domain Electro-Magnetic (TDEM) survey and Goldak’s tri-maxial magnetic gradiometer. Results and drilling progress to be announced shortly.
4. A meeting this week. (Last meeting announced by UCAD in Nevada on 16 July resulted in 3 dividends and acquisition of additional mineral claims, acquisition of part of UCAD, and acquisition of 49 percent of Juinna Mining.) That was from one meeting. Supposedly today or last night is/was the new meeting.

A: Nobody in their right mind OR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN’T OR WON’T TAKE THE DIVIDEND.

Q: Who could that be?

Urban Casavant and company.
Or
The Market Makers
Or
Both

Q: Why would Urban be selling?

Theory: Urban bought billions at .0001. Roger Glenn warns Market Makers of future action. Agrees with Market Makers to sell them shares so they can cover. Urban selling at .0004 to Market Makers who either delete the shares and the CUSIPs or build a set of shares to sell off during the cover.

Q: How does Urban benefit from that?
A: Urban reduces dilution, makes 400 percent profit, and raises capital for possible upcoming dividend. Reducing the Outstanding Shares (OS) has almost the same as effect as issuing a dividend in regards to raising the Price Per Share (PPS). Urban is flipping his own stock. Neat.

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Originally posted by glassman:
OK Noah, that sounds good, why doesn't it have ANY references????
there are some problems tho.. like where did UC get enough money to float ALL of this at one time--i mean the racecar,th eacquisitions, the exploration costs, etc. etc. i don't know --that's why i'm asking

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the cost of the shares alone at .0001 times 250,000,000,000 is gonna take some serious financing ....

 

EXCEPTION FOR MIDDAY POST

I just had to make a comment on this. Lee Webb from Stockwatch was posting on the RB board bashing CMKX last night. I have to say that I find this to be the most reprehensible compromise of journalistic integrity for a supposed financial journalist that I could imagine (outside of being PAID to do this which, who knows, may be happening). You already know my very, very low opinion and suspicions of Stockwatch but this is really revolting. Be on the lookout for any possible Stockwatch negative news article they may try to squeeze in before the next PR. When financial "journalists" show up to bash a .0004 stock, IMO I think you can pretty much outright dismiss any opinion or information from that rag.

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming ....

[Muzak to the tune of Bon Jovi's "You Give Love a Bad Name"]

Z

As always, these are my personal opinions.

Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.

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'Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much.' - Helen Keller
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
OK Noah, that sounds good, why doesn't it have ANY references????
there are some problems tho.. like where did UC get enough money to float ALL of this at one time--i mean the racecar,th eacquisitions, the exploration costs, etc. etc. i don't know --that's why i'm asking

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Glass, The first question items 1-4 have been referenced to death. These are all PR's.

2nd question is just logic. Why would anyone want to sell, in large volume, at this low pps, when there are dividends, major meeting in Sask, new drilling, (all PR'd).

The nearly obvious answer, is that only UC or the MM's would want to be selling now in large volume. MM's to cover. UC for the theorized reasons listed. Can't reference theory.

 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:

the cost of the shares alone at .0001 times 250,000,000,000 is gonna take some serious financing ....

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brad:
[B]Posted by: zeninvestor32
In reply to: None Date:8/11/2004 10:32:32 AM
Post #of 75053

EXCEPTION FOR MIDDAY POST

[This message has been edited by cool1sh (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

the MM's probably did do some naked shorting. the numbers are wacky. the shells are complicated.
but the cash is all sitting pretty much in the open. it's being spent by CMKX... so they have it one way or another....i have stated over and over i don't think anythng illegal is going on. but that the creativity is overwhelming. mostly from the sources you keep pulling these posts from. if you aren't a paid pumper, did it ever occur to you that MAYBE, just MAYBE you are pulling these things from paid pumpers????
i saw somebody say you were/are a cop.......

 

quote:

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Originally posted by TradingWizard:
Noah either you or Allstock do you mind closing the CMKX IV - there will be always someone new to bring it up. Thanks

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Wiz, I think that can only be done by the mods. You can click the "contact us" link below and send them a request, but I have never heard of an entire thread being shut down.

quote:

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Originally posted by cool1sh:
Cost is $250K

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hmmmm mayybe my cacklacker is broke....

 

or my eyes..

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
hmmmm mayybe my cacklacker is broke....

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[This message has been edited by cool1sh (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

long being YEARS..
as some of the more sensible posts have said, pumping this thing too hard HURTS the company.
"the basher's are the ones pointing fingers"
i would pass because i can't verify anything---simple... that's my taste and it works for me.....i make enough mistakes when i do read ALL the PR AND the SEC filings.....
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
look, i think you have realised i'm not a basher, i'm just trying to ask questions that everybody is thinking that isn't as up-to-speed as you guys are...

the MM's probably did do some naked shorting. the numbers are wacky. the shells are complicated.
but the cash is all sitting pretty much in the open. it's being spent by CMKX... so they have it one way or another....i have stated over and over i don't think anythng illegal is going on. but that the creativity is overwhelming. mostly from the sources you keep pulling these posts from. if you aren't a paid pumper, did it ever occur to you that MAYBE, just MAYBE you are pulling these things from paid pumpers????
i saw somebody say you were/are a cop.......

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Glass

Yes, I was a police officer. As a white collar crime detective, I had to put together evidence for prosecutions. But while investigating a case, looking for answers that would lead to evidence, I had to consider a number of theories that fit the crime. Some were good theories, some were bad, some even ridiculous. But I looked at each of them seriously. I didn't act on them, just looked at them to see which may fit. I welcomed as many theories as I could get in lieu of evidence, because that gave me a number of possibilities. Elimination of some of these narrowed it down to a few, which I would explore in order to find evidence.

With CMKX, we are in a similar situation. We have not gotten the evidence (PR) we need to understand what is happening. So I bring theories to the board, and sometimes DD (evidence) when I can find it. I do this so the people on this board can have things to think about. Think, not act. I have come to know most of the regulars on this thread and know that they are intelligent enough to know the difference between theory and fact. And as such, intelligent enough to be able to compare theories, to think about them, and then understand where this stock may be going when PR's or true DD are released or posted.

Information I bring here could be from a paid basher or a paid pumper, it could be a good idea or a bad one, it could be the key piece in the intellectual puzzle that most of us are trying to put together.

So I think it is valuable, and haven't heard from too many folks here that they don't appreciate it.

Without the exchange of ideas here, good and bad, we may as well just make it a list of PR's as they come out for people to reference.

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

Whats the worst we have a small run up to maybe like .02-.03 I'll sell enough to give me free shares, bank some money and then just hang out and wait...

This byrd is serving a mandatory life sentence... This byrd has all the time in the world... heheheh

Besides hopefully in about a years time Qbid will be going strong and then before we know it, CMKX will be doing swell!!!

-Byrd Belly-

"Cops patroling, put away my stash. I never sold the last bag... Ahhh f*$k I went and got myself locked up..."
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
well said Noah... but you didn't hear from a lot of those people cuz they were being chased out ....
and yes the rudeness came from all over not just one side,
consider what i have been doing here an intervention.....
i spend a lot of time here and think that ALLSTOCKS is the best.....
all that said.. i wish ALL of you (except the paid pumpers..LOL) well

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited August 11, 2004).]

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Glass, no one in here has been slammed more than me. I'm still here.

I will say this just once. Your last statement is not correct. Sorry.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Wiz, I think that can only be done by the mods. You can click the "contact us" link below and send them a request, but I have never heard of an entire thread being shut down.

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Lets see what I can do - Bob (Frey) if you around can you close the thread CMKX IV - so far I did not see any objections.

Noah, its simple, people will be able to read but will not be able to post anymore.
The button Post/Reply is deactivated.
Check out CMKX III and you will see.
Hope it helps.

CMKXTREME Inc. Offers Customized VISA Pre-Paid Stored Value Card to Their Race Fan Affinity Group and CMKX Diamonds Inc. Shareholders
LAS VEGAS -- (Business Wire) -- Aug. 11, 2004

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that it has signed an agreement with CMKXTREME Inc. to offer a VISA

Pre-Paid Stored Value card to the CMKX shareholders and race fan

affinity group.

¶ Urban Casavant, CEO of CMKX, stated: "CMKX is offering this

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to their shareholders in new and useful ways. It is rare to be able to

provide shareholders and affiliates with a unique benefit whose

usefulness can be measured in many ways. We are thrilled to be able to

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¶ As a VISA product, the card can be used at more than 1 million ATM

or merchants locations worldwide that display the VISA or Plus logos.

¶ The VISA Pre-Paid Stored Value card is neither a credit card nor a

debit card and does not require a banking account to be opened when

applying. The card is signature based for point-of-sale transactions

and PIN based for ATM transactions. The card also carries a

zero-liability guarantee that states the cardholder will not be liable

for unauthorized use of the card provided notification is given within

a reasonable time of the loss or theft of the card. The accounts also

have a user ID and password for online access to protect the security

of the account. Online access provides cardholders with the ability to

view their balance, transactions, and to transfer funds to other

CMKXTREME cardholders. Cardholders can also access the same features

from a toll-free telephone system. Customer service is provided free

24/7 from the United States.

¶ Cardholders can securely add additional funds to their card

through a free Web site or through a toll-free telephone system from

an existing checking account or credit card. Additional options

include payroll deposit, wire, ACH and cash deposits at participating

locations.

¶ Certain statements in this press release are "forward-looking

statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of

1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Such

forward-looking statements may be identified by words such as

"anticipates," "believes," "can," "continue," "could," "estimates,"

"expects," "intends," "may," "plans," "potential," "predicts,"

"should," or "will" or the negative of these terms or other comparable

terminology. Such statements and all phases of ISAT's operations are

subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors,

including overall economic conditions and any unforeseen change in the

markets. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these

forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date hereof.

CMKX's actual results, levels of activity, performance or achievements

may be materially different from any future results, levels of

activity, performance or achievements expressed or implied by these

forward-looking statements. The company undertakes no obligation to

update the forward-looking statements in this press release.
Contacts:
CMKM Diamonds Inc.

Diamonds Hotline

Melvin O'Neil, 306-752-3755

Toll-free in U.S./Canada: 877-752-3755

Fax: 306-752-3754
 

CMKXTREME Inc. Offers Customized VISA Pre-Paid Stored Value Card to Their Race Fan Affinity Group and CMKX Diamonds Inc. Shareholders
 

quote:

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Originally posted by tic_toc:
I have just noticed something. All thru that PR they refer to the company as CMKX Diamonds, not CMKM. Have they now changed name?

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I am looking forward to the spin put on this one. Maybe there will be discounts from CMKX on their shares if they are purchased directly from the company or from UC using those credit cards?
 

I hadn't read the Zeninvestor disclaimer before and it is towards the bottom of his post. He bought his own investment with his own money and you can read it for yourseves. Have a good day. Back to visiting my Uncle Sam's yearly newsletter and make a donation. GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi

Picked this up in my travels:

Author: zeninvestor32

MY THOUGHTS 8/10

Just pure gridlock today both in trading and information. Not much to report.

Thanks to M.A. for the link to Rick Kusmirski's most recent appointment. I think this is further proof of just how respected and important Kusmirski is to uranium exploration/development.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040804/45674_1.html

And go here to review the bios of the others on the Technical board to see the great stature in which he has been placed.
http://www.clanres.com/s/Management.asp

As for the 10 day disclosure rule, I'm tired of both bashers and longs suddenly proclaiming to be securities law experts. Roger is probably one of the very best attorneys in the country on being up to speed on every nuance of securities regs and filings, both with the SEC, the NASD and probably by now any Canadian governing bodies (and by the way, Roger WAS intimately involved with a MAJOR canadian deal before valued at $400M CAD -- http://www.fklaw.com/news-43.html -- had to point that out before the bashers attacked asking "What does he know about Canadian securities?"). Anyway, let Roger do the lawyering. IMO he knows exactly what needs to be reported and when. Anyone else proclaiming to "know" this area, please ask them what their credentials within securities law are.

And lastly, I guess it's been awhile since I posted this but I will post it again since some people have again raised the issue. I will state this outright. I have never received compensation in any form, whether stock, cash or other, directly or indirectly from CMKX or any related companies, affiliaties, subsidiaries, officers, directors, friends, vulcans, pelicans, etc. I would have to be an outright IDIOT to do so and not disclose it, thus risking disgorgement of any profits as well as possible criminal prosecution. For that matter, let me state that I have never personally spoken to Urban, Ron, Roger or even Melvin (although I have emailed Melvin but never got a response). I do not post anywhere else regarding CMKX on any other forum or message board. I do not participate in paltalk. I do not have any association whatsoever with any stock alert or newsletter or any other publication.

Ok, is that a complete enough disclaimer? I am a simple individual investor who has honest savings at risk in this investment. I think there are many others on the boards who you should be FAR more concerned with as to any ulterior motives or dealings. See you tomorrow.

Z

As always, these are my personal opinions.

Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
 

This will really bring out the naked short problem for sure if people don't get their card.

I'll bet the brokers will be pleased to be passing out credit cards. Wonder if that's part of their responsibilities?
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And, FREE!! WOW!!! Wonder if the rate will be as low as the price of the shares? Gosh, this guy is really impressive! Guess Glenn played a major role in this major development?

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 11, 2004).]

No one has to bash this stock...they seem to do it themselves.

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

Again, this is my opinion.........
 

At the very least this markets us out a little more. The larger the group of shareholders who are holding 'long', the smaller the 'float' will be, in theory. So if we attract more attention through these VisaPre-paid cards, plus the racing venues, plus our companies accomplishments, we will get more share holders who will gobble up portions of the O/S. As we have given some of the O/S to other companies who may issue those shares to their shareholders who may attract more share holders through word of mouth.

In my opinion, a very intelligent way to get a large section of our float to 'disappear' or in other words, be taken into the 'long' category, we would need a rather large increase in investors. This can be achievied in the ways I stated above, using marketing. It is a tool that has built every other company up and it SHOULD be used by CMKX Diamonds as well. Why not?!?

If the O/S is truely over 350 Billion, getting a large number of small to medium investors, early on at the stage of the game, would do wonders since possibly billions of shares would be taken out.

Not to mention when we remove our pink sheet title, the influx of new investors because of the move to a reporting company would also gobble up our float, increasing share price...

The card in my opinion is a good idea and I think we should expect more out of the box thinking... The cards will be a converstaion piece to many race fans in the Mid-West, who can be potential new investors of a currently inexpensive mining company

-Byrd Vysa Card- 'Never Fly home with out it!'
 

Have to agree with any who think this PR is ridiculous. I am not worried about the racing car and whatever money that takes to sponsor. I think we have some deep pocketed people helping to get CMKX off the pink pennystock board. Time will prove if that is true or not. I do think this week is an especially likely time to see some good news but this definitely wasn't it. IMO-GLTA-Debi
 

Don't get me wrong, this isn't the Nuclear device I am waiting for, however I like the left-fieldiness (my own word!) of this PR. Unconventional lol...

Urban's Shock And Awe Campiegn!!

We'll get what we are waiting for very soon...

Perhaps one of these days we'll get the cash dividend to put onto these cards !!!lol...

-Bearded Byrded Clam-

THIS IS BY FAR BETTER THAN ANY DIAMOND PR WE COULD GET

[This message has been edited by byrdturd (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

WTF??!??!?!?!?!

What is this rumor?!?!? lol!!!

quote:

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Originally posted by dwman:
Well wallace, we may all be laughing with joy if the rumor of a Lundin Group buyout for between .50 and .56 a share pans out.

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<<<FALSH TRAFFIC>>> SPECIAL ALERT!!!
* * * HUGE RUMOR * *

RUMOR: POSSIBLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE ACCORDING TO BOTH ZENINVESTOR32 AND PENNYWRANGLER

zeninvestor32 "followed the bread crumbs" to the Lunden Group (as our own Pennywrangler put it)

Lynwood told me before I went on vacation in July that he had reliable sources who told him of an impending takover of CMKX by another party that was not DeBeers. He would divulge more saying he had been sworn to secrecy. But now that Z has figured it out, it is being openly discussed at http://cmkx.net

First, I re-post, then Pennywrabgler's & link to Info on Lunden Group, then re-post zeninvestor32's post, "I HAVE INFORMATION"
Needless to say I am a bit perplexed that Lynwood could not have posted this here a month ago, but I guess he wanted it in the public domain first.
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by Pennywrangler - taken from cmkx.net by diggerdeb of shortsharks

I wondered how long it was going to take before someone followed the bread crumbs to The Lundin Group. These guys are serious heavy hitters in the natural resources sector, and CMKX is exactly the kind of company they look for when snooping for acquisitions.
Undervalued, overlooked, with lots of potential value. They also let acquired companies keep their identities and their original CEOs, amazingly enough. The Lundin boys take over the board though.

Everyone keep you fingers crossed on this one... the Lundin's have a ton of money and are, IMO, considerably more powerful than De Beers. Read this:
http://www.thelundingroup.com/lundin_group.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/65rx2 - (JUST PRINT IT OUT!)

Read it slowly and read the whole thing. I have studied it in depth. CMKX is such a perfect fit here it's uncanny. I am sorry I could not discuss this before... I promised a friend I would not bring up the Lundin connection in public. But now the cat is out of the bag, so we can discuss it!

Zen wins the prize for following the bread crumbs out to the Lundin boys!
http://www.cmkx.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1667
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for further discussion of Z's post -

"I HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE" -

go to another thread here @ ********35:
http://tinyurl.com/3tr3a

Ble$$ing$,

jawz_2020
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I think at .25 I'd laugh uncontrolably for an hour... at .50... well I don't know what I would do... go to the bar? I'd probably not have enough time to do that, now I have to tackle mutal funds lol...

I'd gladly settle for a fifty cent buy out

-bYrD-
 

For once I agree with you. This one was a fine, polished, cut diamond. Nothing rough about it! IMHO

Must go now, my sides are splitting from laughing.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by cool1sh:
UC is genius

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Opeum

Re: CMKM's New PR Explained: Pre-Paid Card Strateg
« Reply #1 on: Today at 2:05pm »

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I agree. This is brilliant.

It is a great piece of advertising and proves the companies worth.

Only creditworthy institutions and organizations can put together such a deal.

Profit and non-profit organizations seek out such a deal to add value for their members but also to create an additional revenue stream.

Visa gets their name and services out to a large group.

The expense of setting this up is not small. Card production and design as well as distribution is not cheap. Visa needs to be assured of CMKX's worthiness before issuing such an agreement and Urban has the free funds and belief in the idea to even go on this venture.

This is good IMHO!

 

You agree with me? On what issue?!?!?\
By the way I thought you were on your way out?

-Byrd-
 

I hope Noah is right. If there is no #2 punch, however, this is a serious disappointment for me. The company knows everybody is waiting for the "big one" on the o/s and to announce something like this at this time is ludicrous.
 

I am prety sure there will be somebody who really thinks this is another smart move by UC . Hopefully they are right in the end.

quote:

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Originally posted by will:
Care to explain ? I haven't made the award of the best PR interpretation yet. With a good over the top post you can be the winner. Just remember make it good, because you will be competing with the likes of Zen Sterling and DrD.

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[This message has been edited by cool1sh (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

What's up?

Listen I know we all want the big PR but expect a series of smaller PR's, and now one's that are pretty unconventional...

CMKX has more things up their sleaves and this if anything will help bring CMKX's name to more people. Now I agree with you 100% that diamonds would do this better,lol, but just give this some time.

Someone pointed out Visa is connected with CitiBank and that Citi was a client of Roger Glenn... Take it for what it is worth, but we may be seeing some of his 'connections' come into play.

We will get the Big PR's soon enough... I mean so far we have gotten some pretty healthy, meaty PR's, three companies that we will be getting dividends from, land acquistions of another 500k+ acres of adjoining land, stock buy-in's of mineral producing mines... so far we are doing good, I think so anyway...

These little PR's may seem flimsy but lets try to read between the lines and see if there is anything there...

This to me looks like they are really trying to become a company and to do that, marketing is one of those things you need to do.

-Byrd-
 

-Byrd-
 

quote:

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Originally posted by DeadSurf:
is it a good idea to request a stock cert. for cmkx?

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Surf, wouldn't tell you it's good or bad. Some don't want to tie up shares for a couple weeks when they decide to sell.

Some are getting a percentage of their shares in certs for insurance.

Many believe that a statement from your brokerage account is enough for security.

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08/11/04 14:29:52 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 2500000
08/11/04 14:30:02 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 1449999
08/11/04 14:30:02 0.0004 0.0004 0.0004 999900

 

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Originally posted by DeadSurf:
when i do decide to sell...do i have to turn in the cert. first or can i still sell at the level i want to sell at...i've never dealt with certificates before...thanks

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You would have to send in your certificate to your broker before you could trade them.
 

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"Cardholders can securely add ADDITIONAL funds to their card through a free Web site or through a toll-free telephone system from an existing checking account or credit card. Additional options include payroll deposit, wire, ACH and cash deposits at participating locations
 

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Originally posted by dwman:
Doesn't the following paragraph suggest that the card comes with a dollar amount in the card. Could this be one way to give a cash dividend?

"Cardholders can securely add ADDITIONAL funds to their card through a free Web site or through a toll-free telephone system from an existing checking account or credit card. Additional options include payroll deposit, wire, ACH and cash deposits at participating locations

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its ********s35 remove the *******!

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Originally posted by DeadSurf:
is it a good idea to request a stock cert. for cmkx?

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Originally posted by dwman:
Will
Wasn't your response a bit caustic? I only asked a question.

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[This message has been edited by will (edited August 11, 2004).]
 

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Originally posted by Upside:
Ok, here's what's going on. Zen, Dr.D., Sterling, and Urban are issuing these cards together (You can choose one of their four pictures for your card). They're going to require all shareholders to get a card and turn in their certs for cash to be issued to your card account,(verified by your secret PIN #) thereby exposing the naked shorts, no certs, no cash. Only problem is that the cash will be restricted for an unspecified period of time, but Urbans a loving man, it won't be too long. Once it's released, it can only be used to buy shares of the new and improved CMKX stock or CMKX racing memorabilia, either one should do nothing but increase in value. I'm going with the racing stuff, a signed wall sized photo of Melvin with his helmet on!

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Wallace wrote: Must go now, my sides are splitting from laughing.

Byrd wrote: I think at .25 I'd laugh uncontrolably for an hour...

Wallace is enjoying CMKX now and Byrd will enjoy later.
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Byrd also wrote:
at .50... well I don't know what I would do... go to the bar?

No Byrd!!!! Come sit on a pew with me and Thank God.
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More byrd: I'd probably not have enough time to do that, now I have to tackle mutal funds lol...

The mutual funds will still be there when you get back.
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All GLTA-IMO-DD-Debi

This one should have a big banner with the words HYPE Warning!! emblazoned accross it. I would like this to be true more that the average bear. But this is a .0004 stock selling at or under the valuation for what has been revealed via PR so far based on 500 Billion Authorized Shares. I like it and did buy more this AM. Like pretty much every AM. One of these mornings it won't be at .0004 anymore and I won't be able to purchase with the same enthusiasm. IMO-Debi

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UpMan!
Do you believe this ???

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Of course I believe it and not only that, I want them to offer a picture of Melvin for my card!
 

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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by Will:
Of course I believe it and not only that, I want them to offer a picture of Melvin for my card!

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Originally posted by will:
Not that! I meant the PR !!!

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Will

Here is another spin on the PR, from another poster

Check this out: Dividends/Debit Cards

The ID debit cards also will be used by several mutual insurers to pay dividends to their policyholders, which own the companies, he adds. Traditionally those payments are made by check.

"That's a very expensive proposition," Palmer says. "But if the customer has an ID card with financial utility, you can load the dividend payment onto the card." Palmer predicts that more than 500,000 ID debit cards will be issued by mutual insurers this year for use in distributing dividend payments.

http:// corporate.wildcardsystems.com/index.cfm?pageid=articles_template&SID=20010121-1§ion=articles

I hope you saw I edited my post. I really didn't mean to offend you.
I have no ax to grind here. I'm thouroughly disgusted with the PR. It is so irrelevant, and disappointing cpmapred to waht everyone was anticipating that I find it unbelievable. I also find it more unbelievable that people can get behind it, and suggest it being, positive not alone brilliant.

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WWJD

Trust me, if any of the stocks hit, God knows I owe him and his people big

If it ever went to even above .05 and I sell, I have a few ideas on how to repay what I owe...

Listen the day I sell and take in profits, if it is as big as some say, .05,.1 .15 or how ever much, I am sure I will stop in and say a prayer and light my candle (which I haven't done in a while )

Well payday is Friday and I think I will have another $125 to send over for more CMKX shares !!! I gotta top 4 million! At least!

Now if USCI would move up!lol...

-Byrd butt-
 

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Originally posted by TradingWizard:
I wanna diamonds, diamonds and dimonds! Okay and some uranium too - on the side please....

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Wow a woman who wants diamonds... lol...

Uranium?? You aren't planning to construct a time machine to go back in time to 1955 are you??? 1.21 Gigawatts!!!

-Byrd-
 

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Originally posted by byrdturd:
Wow a woman who wants diamonds... lol...

Uranium?? You aren't planning to construct a time machine to go back in time to 1955 are you??? 1.21 Gigawatts!!!

-Byrd-

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Diamond is my birth stone Byrd.

Time machine a good idea, why I did not think about it first (probably because I am shocked with latest PR) - but hey I would prefer to go forward to 2071 or ever further if I can get the extra boost.
 

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Originally posted by sarki316:
will owns like 20 million shares of CMKX!!!! DON'T LET HIM FOOL YOU. Will is a punk kid that knows nothing. TO ALL DON'T EVEN RELPY TO GUYS LIKE WILL.

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If they keep up these brilliant moves, it won't matter if you have the certificates. IMHO! I think this is the Mt.St.Helens Melvin was talking about. It just erupted a deluge of credit cards.
 

Heheheh... see you and cmkx are perfect for one another!

Shocked by the PR? I hope it is a good shock, or nuetral shock, if there is such a thing? Maybe neutral shock is when you get home from ordering taco bell and you asked for a Nacho Cheese Challupa and they give you one with shredded cheese...

Nuetral shock... its not bad or good, but I am shocked on the stupidity of ordering a taco with NACHO cheese and getting stringed cheese or shredded cheese...lol.. Nuetral shock...

2071 now see you better take along your qbid and cmkx certs and stop off around 2010

PPS for CMKX IN 2010

1 X $38.75
2 X $40.00
3 X $45.00
1 X $50.00 (at this level I am RICH B I T C H!!!!)(I am talking RICK JAMES RICH!!!!)

-John-

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Originally posted by byrdturd:
Lol, diamonds are your birthstone?

Heheheh... see you and cmkx are perfect for one another!

Shocked by the PR? I hope it is a good shock, or nuetral shock, if there is such a thing? Maybe neutral shock is when you get home from ordering taco bell and you asked for a Nacho Cheese Challupa and they give you one with shredded cheese...

Nuetral shock... its not bad or good, but I am shocked on the stupidity of ordering a taco with NACHO cheese and getting stringed cheese or shredded cheese...lol.. Nuetral shock...

2071 now see you better take along your qbid and cmkx certs and stop off around 2010

PPS for CMKX IN 2010

1 X $38.75
2 X $40.00
3 X $45.00
1 X $50.00 (at this level I am RICH B I T C H!!!!)(I am talking RICK JAMES RICH!!!!)

-John-

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Very perfect!!!!!

Hey byrd I am quite natural - just don't know where the idea with credit card came out from. I am really having fun here, bad or good news - I am good!
 

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Originally posted by TradingWizard:
Hey Will if I were you I would not respond any further. Remember you scab theory.

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I lost you on the 'quiet natural' part,lol...

Remember, I am a byrd brain...

 

I guess he doesn't want me banned twice in a day

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Originally posted by noahltl:
Okay everybody, here's the direct scoop on JamesDBrewer. ...

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Noah, this idiot and I have had a previous battle on here where he posted my real name and where I live. I, in turn, posted his. You may already have it, but in case you don't, you can email me at pharmdman at yahoo dot com and I'll give you what I know. I have his name, address, birthdate, phone number, where he goes to school, his major, etc.... you're welcome to it.

I hate *******s like this.

They have no lives of their own, so they have to f()ck with yours.
 

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1-2 punch? Looks like a "sucker punch" to me!

GLTA-DD-IMO

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Originally posted by will:
Yea, you're right Wiz, but that guy is particularly irratating. Wish I was a kid, and I wish I owned 20M sahres of this crap at .0001, I'd sell half of them yesterday.

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I know what you mean - but trust me on this one just ignore it and he will ignore you. I had one incident couple of months ago with him - and it isn't worth because I picked that scab and I got blood pumping all over - I must have hit the vein. The all-stocks had to clean up the mess.