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IF we are going to get rich soon why does Melvin's wife need a donation site setup? http://helpmelvinswife.net/
Simple nobodies going to be millionares anytime soon except for the delusional nut sterling with his double short nonsense. You ever hear him talk its scarier then melvins picture above.
CORRECTION I mean not MILLIONARES. This doesn't mean we aren't going to see a rise... But don't see it hitting .001 like before thanks to melvins Mt. St. Helens bull**** as a lot of people got burned on the way down and are scared and have 0 credibility with investors now until the share structure is put out. Anyrate I'm in with 1,000 as play money.
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I don't ever post, just read! I do find it simply amazing that these guy's, bashers apparently, are put in force on a Sunday evening. We must be getting close. I'll just sit back and laugh at these idiots as usual!!!
Go back on this page and read you post at 19:17. And you say you did not attack him? Guess you just did not express yourself the way you really wanted to?
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Everything you say is true! This is one solid piece of DD backed up by facts (links). Melvin is a joke, no doubt. There is absolutely nothing to critique about this post! Well done.
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A while back (30 Jun 04), Joel called in to IBC Radio and said that he was told by Pacific that the outstanding shares were 400B. And while others have castigated Joel for saying such, others corroborated his claims with calls of their own. The next week, Pacific was fired. Why? Perhaps because they leaked info that was not supposed to be leaked. Speculation? Of course, but how about this:
If you look at the PR dated 18 Jul 04, you will see that UCAD has a 1-year option to purchase a 10% stake in our mineral claims for $15M. Therefore, although we do not have a specific valuation on the claims yet in the form of a PR, using $150M ($15M/.10 = $150M) is as reasonable as any other estimate, particularly since it is empircally based on numbers within a PR. Obviously, the value of the claims may prove to be more in the future – MUCH more, in fact – but for now, this estimate is as logical any other posited.
Now, has anyone taken the time to find out what $150M is when divided by 400B shares? You guessed it – about .0004, the PPS where we are today. Therefore, could it be that this stock has a huge float and it takes monster volume to get it to move even one tick rather than some MM conspiracy? Why not? Speculation? Of course, but what theory isn’t? Need more? Keep reading:
Yesterday (19 Jul 04), a pro rata dividend was declared for the issuance of 40B shares of CIM to CMKX shareholders as of 31 Aug 04. The keys to this PR are NOT the value of such shares, but the fact that the dividend is pro rata and that this dividend date is after the UCAD dividend date. Let me explain:
The term "pro rata" by definition means that the numbers are proportionately divisible into exact amounts. In other words, CMKX's O/S is divisible BY or INTO 40B (the number of the CIM shares being issued as a dividend). Therefore, our O/S, for example, could be 4B (10:1 ratio of CIM:CMKX shares, where you would receive 10 CIM shares for every 1 share of CMKX you own), 10B (4:1 ratio), 20B (2:1 ratio), 40B (1:1 ratio), 80B (1:2 ratio), ... etc all the way up to 400B (1:10 ratio). Moreover, and contrary to what others have posted, a pro rata dividend can as easily be a fraction (eg, 1:10) as it can a multiple (10:1). As such, the O/S can as easily be 400B as it can 40B or 4B.
Now, given the other two pieces of circumstantial evidence above (the current PPS and confirmation of Joel’s claim regarding the number of shares issued), I believe the O/S is 400B. This would make a neat 1:10 pro rata ratio for the CIM dividend as well, where you are issued 1 share of CIM for every 10 shares of CMKX you own. Speculation? Absolutely, but here’s the final piece of the puzzle – the CIM dividend declaration date of 31 Aug 04.
See, my speculation is that once the O/S is released (which it must be on 20 Aug 04 in order for the UCAD dividend to be issued), people are going to s**t their pants because it is so much larger than everyone speculated. Well, how do you keep shareholders from running to the hills? You keep them aboard by guaranteeing them a reward for their loyalty - say, a dividend at a later date, like 31 Aug, for example. By doing so, you are providing investors incentive to not dump their millions and billions of shares on the market, which, of course, would deflate whatever gains had been achieved. But why would UC do this? Pessimistically, it could be to keep the PPS up. However, I think differently. I think he would do so because he knows we have bigger and better things to come, so while he cannot hide from the truth of the O/S being 400B, he can do whatever it takes to keep us together as a team through the announcement so that we can all benefit from the greater returns down the road.
Speculation? ALL OF IT. But for those who are ready to dismiss my premises, why are they any different from others’? They aren’t. It’s just that they aren’t “pie in the sky” predictions. That’s it. So before you write this post off as nonsense, read it and tell me I haven’t backed up my speculation with logic and numbers. You can’t.
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JamesDBrewer is going by the book! Everything he posts is true. He provides links to back up his claims. I would say in 10 minutes JamesDBrewer has become a better basher than you will ever be!
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Nice copy & paste job, JamesDBrewer! Yesterday was not July 19! -------------------------------------- "Yesterday (19 Jul 04), a pro rata dividend was declared for the issuance of 40B shares of CIM to CMKX shareholders as of 31 Aug 04. The keys to this PR are NOT the value of such shares, but the fact that the dividend is pro rata and that this dividend date is after the UCAD dividend date. Let me explain:"
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I don't ever post, just read! I do find it simply amazing that these guy's, bashers apparently, are put in force on a Sunday evening. We must be getting close. I'll just sit back and laugh at these idiots as usual!!!
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James has it pretty much right.....IMO i would add that if you don't watch it closely the actual diamond bearing rock could LEGALLY end up in another comapny entirely......
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I have a question, if the ratio is 1:10 cim for cmkx shareholders, and there are 249 million shares owned by us and UC gets 0, that means there would be 25 billion of CIM outstanding at that time. I would own 260, 000. If Cim stock after beginning to mine zinc went to a penny, then I would have 2600 dollars.
Not bad but not great. If I bought 26 mill for 2600 dollars then I would double my money and have a 100% return simply through the dividend. Free shares.
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Casavant == shady business man also WITH MANY EMPTY SHELL COMPANIES ALL REGISTERED IN NEVADA inside an empty hotel: Of which DAVID DESORMEAU (from PR on CIM divedends) had a complain filed for fraud. http://sos.state.nv.us/corp_nme.asp?corpnum=X2004174840
More DAVID DESORMEAU DD Name: CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING CORPORATION
Type: Corporation File Number: C1291-2003 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: January 21, 2003 Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular Resident Agent: BUSINESS WORKS INC (Accepted) Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074- President: URBAN CASAVANT Address: PO BOX 27740
LAS VEGAS NV 89109- Secretary: CAROLYN CASAVANT Address: PO BOX 27740
LAS VEGAS NV 89109- Treasurer: EMMERSON KOCH Address: PO BOX 27740
LAS VEGAS NV 89109- __________________________________________________________
Name: CMKM DIAMONDS INC.
Type: Corporation File Number: C9852-2002 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: April 18, 2002 Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular Resident Agent: LAW OFFICES OF THOMAS C. COOK, LTD. (Accepted) Address: 4955 S. DURANGO SUITE 214 LAS VEGAS NV 89113- President: URBAN CASAVANT Address: 1489 W WARM SPRINGS
Type: Corporation File Number: C10432-2001 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: April 23, 2001 Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular Resident Agent: DAVID DESORMEAU (Accepted) Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074- President: DAVID DESORMEAU Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074- Secretary: ANDREA DESORMEAU Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
HENDERSON NV 89074- Treasurer: ANDREA DESORMEAU Address: 1603 MOWBRAY CT
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Now that's a valid concern for CMKX shareholders if they give UCAD any more mineral rights.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: James has it pretty much right.....IMO i would add that if you don't watch it closely the actual diamond bearing rock could LEGALLY end up in another comapny entirely......
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Sure, MP, just as meaningful as your post on JBCak's thread "women,sex,stocks,drugs"!
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quote:Originally posted by gmac78: I don't ever post, just read! I do find it simply amazing that these guy's, bashers apparently, are put in force on a Sunday evening. We must be getting close. I'll just sit back and laugh at these idiots as usual!!!
You may not post often gmac, but this one is RIGHT ON !!!!!!!!!!!
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The ONLY saving grace I can see is if shares are retired or a reverse split is done OR I read awhile back where CMKX turns into CIM. I'm not sure how the logistics of that works though.
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THIS IS EXCITING. With all of these bashers coming out today, and some even coming out of retirement, we must be about to have the best week ever. Can hardly wait, and I don't get easily excited. The more they bash, the more obvious it becomes.
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quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny: I don't get your point, Glassman. If UC had donated 5% of our mineral rights to the salvation army, would you then go and try to dig up some dirt on them??? The only interest people may have in UCAD at this point are the dividend shares. You are right, we may or may not get them with the NSS issue. However, the UCAD dividend has absolutely zero value for me at this stage, unless the o/s is ridiculously low and I can actually make some money. So what is your point bringing up UCAD's mineral rights deal with Nevada Minerals expiring in January 2005, or the fact that they used to be called Barrington Foods? What does that have to do with CMKX?
if UC "donated" 5% of your mineral rights to the salvation army, i wouldn't NEED to dig up dirt on the salvation army cuz the point is that the mineral rights are the companies assets and that's what you are paying for when you buy the shares...you aren't buying revenues or profits....
the UCAD deals should be a warning to you that there are some things going on that nobody wants you know about....and people don't usually hide GOOD truths......
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Uhm, and what exactly does that have to do with CMKX? Just because you wear diapers at night doesn't mean that we have to discuss your bedwetting problem in this thread, does it?!
quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Sure, MP, just as meaningful as your post on JBCak's thread "women,sex,stocks,drugs"!
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LOL Yeah I tell it how it is and people flame me for it. I said we most likely won't reach $2.00-10 PPS until 5 years. I'm sorry people, but it ain't gonna happen. We may reach .25-.50 by next year, but until we find some huge rocks, then at least be prepared for disappointment.Some of the guys on this board have been sniffing too much coke to realize the reality of the situtation, they are on cloud 9 and aren't ready for the big disappointment if the PPS doesn't move. Watch these are the same people who will be bitching 24/7 if the PPS doesn't move before or after the ex dividend date. These same people will be selling also which will again keep the PPS at .0003/.0004.
I get your point and it is a valid concern. However, I did not see the significance of you posting about the history of UCAD and their mineral claim deals.
quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny: Uhm, and what exactly does that have to do with CMKX? Just because you wear diapers at night doesn't mean that we have to discuss your bedwetting problem in this thread, does it?!
You sorry sad juvenile imbecile.. it's best here on out that you read and not post.
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Whoa James, you went from basher to pumper in two seconds! Did you copy the wrong post? .25 - .50 PPS next year??? I think you have been reading Sterling's posts too much. PUMPER PUMPER PUMPER!
quote:Originally posted by JamesDBrewer: LOL Yeah I tell it how it is and people flame me for it. I said we most likely won't reach $2.00-10 PPS until 5 years. I'm sorry people, but it ain't gonna happen. We may reach .25-.50 by next year, but until we find some huge rocks, then at least be prepared for disappointment.Some of the guys on this board have been sniffing too much coke to realize the reality of the situtation, they are on cloud 9 and aren't ready for the big disappointment if the PPS doesn't move. Watch these are the same people who will be bitching 24/7 if the PPS doesn't move before or after the ex dividend date. These same people will be selling also which will again keep the PPS at .0003/.0004.
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quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny: Whoa James, you went from basher to pumper in two seconds! Did you copy the wrong post? .25 - .50 PPS next year??? I think you have been reading Sterling's posts too much. PUMPER PUMPER PUMPER!
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quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny: Uhm, and what exactly does that have to do with CMKX? Just because you wear diapers at night doesn't mean that we have to discuss your bedwetting problem in this thread, does it?!
You sorry sad juvenile imbecile.. it's best here on out that you read and not post.
Just a Public Service announcement. Thank you.
Now go back and re-edit your posts 20 times till you get it right.
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a support base before initiating your Bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.
8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases. Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to instead of the one your Bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
I get your point and it is a valid concern. However, I did not see the significance of you posting about the history of UCAD and their mineral claim deals.
The mineral claim deal looks like they bought nothing. it specifically states that they are exchanging shares (alot) for rights to revenues that don't exist...... is that a gift????? i don't know, but thats what it looks like. when i start seeing deals like that i become more interested.i mean, HOW DO I GET A DEAL LIKE THAT? when i started looking into who else holds sharesin UCAD already, i found a bunch of privately held Nevada Corps (this means they don't have to file) i am not going to speculate on all the ways to use LEGAL tactics to strip assets off of companies here. besides, i'm sure that CMKX would never do anything to hurt their shareholders...that would be unethical......
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LOL. James you are a lot more fun than Wallace - at least you fight back. You seem to be a tad more emotionally unstable though, so make sure you don't let one slip by using profanity or name calling, or you may lose your job. I does suck having to work on the weekends, doesn't it? Are you allowed to drink on the job? Well, I'm not working so I guess I'll go to the fridge now and pour myself a cold one or two.
quote:Originally posted by JamesDBrewer: Again:
quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny: Uhm, and what exactly does that have to do with CMKX? Just because you wear diapers at night doesn't mean that we have to discuss your bedwetting problem in this thread, does it?!
You sorry sad juvenile imbecile.. it's best here on out that you read and not post.
Just a Public Service announcement. Thank you.
Now go back and re-edit your posts 20 times till you get it right.
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I am new to all this but why is bashing necessary in the first place???
I can see 2 people having different opinions but thats all they are opinions. Why does it have to resort to child like behaviour?
This is just my opinion and I am not in any stocks as of yet but trying to learn. This childlike behaviour is only hindering the boards for guys like me to read all the crap to get to some good educational stuff and learn from the experienced. I have seen bashers and pumpers as you call them both have things to offer a new guy to leran from.
This is just an opinion and an observation from what I have seen thus far.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: The mineral claim deal looks like they bought nothing. it specifically states that they are exchanging shares (alot) for rights to revenues that don't exist...... is that a gift????? i don't know, but thats what it looks like. when i start seeing deals like that i become more interested.i mean, HOW DO I GET A DEAL LIKE THAT? when i started looking into who else holds sharesin UCAD already, i found a bunch of privately held Nevada Corps (this means they don't have to file) i am not going to speculate on all the ways to use LEGAL tactics to strip assets off of companies here. besides, i'm sure that CMKX would never do anything to hurt their shareholders...that would be unethical......
The feeling I'm getting with all the divedends are that these different companies are just shuffling papers between each other when in fact they are all probably linked or buddy buddies with each other.
quote:Originally posted by Money_Penny: LOL. James you are a lot more fun than Wallace - at least you fight back. You seem to be a tad more emotionally unstable though, so make sure you don't let one slip by using profanity or name calling, or you may lose your job. I does suck having to work on the weekends, doesn't it? Are you allowed to drink on the job? Well, I'm not working so I guess I'll go to the fridge now and pour myself a cold one or two.
and as usual you have no friends so you can waste time here 24 x 7.... LOL
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