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quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
I'm going to bring this up again....anyone?????


[QUOTE]Originally posted by tic_toc:
[b]Strangely my post concerning the cheap aquisition of the Juina shares has been wiped.

Again.....

500,000 / 95,502,027 = .0052

500,000 / 127,336,036 = .0039

Juina trades at 0.06. It was probably 0.05 when this deal was struck, so why does CMKX get the shares at more than 10 times cheaper than the trading value?

Can somebody, put this into the equation somewhere?


[/B][/QUOTE]


I can't answer your question but I can tell you about 12 hours worth of posts from last night got wiped from the board. I think yours was in that time period as I was on it at the time the wipe happened. It was wierd.


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ok maybe let's just spoil the movie...

How does one verify to OTCBB that they are actually R D GLENN? Maybe one of us should try calling and saying...This is Roger Glenn, a lawyer appointed by CMKX to release public information regarding CMKX. I would like to disclose a new dividend payment on Sept 12. This will be an all cash dividend of .005 per common share of CMKX. BLAH BLAH BLAH...

It could have been anyone, you think?


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no worries guys, im sure it will all fall into place
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By the way, the link above, to the OTC BB, doesn't lead to CMKX OS information any more. 'Spose Roger gave them a call? If anybody else can work that Board, you might see if the info is completely gone.
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BRAD
Exactly what are you thinking about the "wipe" Was it just a server problem or was there posts that violated some protocal ?
BRAD
There was a PR that stated UC was using 40m from his restricted shares that he would not take any profit on till ???
VAN

[This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited August 03, 2004).]


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brad...i've been holding and recommending freinds buy cmkx...#2 is fact, read the pr...#1 is also fact..if the o/s is 483 billion then the company has 17 billion in the treasury nevada got 75 billion..i might be wrong but i think 75 is more then 17 and if you add up the prs from 2003 it equals more then 17 billion and as the nevada state board was checked not long ago, less then 1 month and it said 500 billion as the a/s you add it up...next melvin was on the radio and paltalk saying everyone was wrong about the o/s being 400 billion. he even called joel a liar...so tell me again how wrong what i posted is if it turns out that it is a true post on the otc board.
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Please your mind is running way ahead of your fingers please restate.
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Strange things going on. The link to OTC BB was changed in my post. I have replaced the correct link. Let's see how long it lasts.
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quote:
Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
BRAD
Exactly what are you thinking about the "wipe" Was it just a server problem or was there posts that violated some protocal ?
VAN

I don't recall anything out of the ordinary as far as the content of the posts so I can't imagine that the moderators would have deliberately wiped it away. I have to believe it was a server burp during that time. There were actually some good posts during that time IMO.


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Noah,
The link that was posted yesterday is gone and I don't see one in your post but here it is:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=CMKX&dDate=08/20/2004&sDateType=Record_date

The information is still there.


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quote:
Originally posted by Brad:
I don't recall anything out of the ordinary as far as the content of the posts so I can't imagine that the moderators would have deliberately wiped it away. I have to believe it was a server burp during that time. There were actually some good posts during that time IMO.



It may not be impossible someone is hacking the site, maybe BF could comment and put this speculation to rest ?
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quote:
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brad...i've been holding and recommending freinds buy cmkx...#2 is fact, read the pr...#1 is also fact..if the o/s is 483 billion then the company has 17 billion in the treasury nevada got 75 billion..i might be wrong but i think 75 is more then 17 and if you add up the prs from 2003 it equals more then 17 billion and as the nevada state board was checked not long ago, less then 1 month and it said 500 billion as the a/s you add it up...next melvin was on the radio and paltalk saying everyone was wrong about the o/s being 400 billion. he even called joel a liar...so tell me again how wrong what i posted is if it turns out that it is a true post on the otc board.

Sorry bill. I'm not trying to be difficult but I don't know of any other way to put it than what I posted in my earlier response to your comments. I stand behind them.


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Well here's some well thought out "speculations" from another board. Worth the read.

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FLASH! IHub Poster Figured Out UC's Master Plan!
Thread started on: Today at 3:23pm

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Hi All,

Well, I must say this is one of the most logical explanatons I have ever read regarding UC's Master Plan. The logic in this rings well. And, some is specualtion, nevertheless, IMHO, well founded speculation.

This is from the Investorshub.com board and was posted today.

Let me know your thoughts.

Ciao for now,

CDLIC

From: Drex Tuesday, Aug 3, 2004 12:37 PM
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I like this one! (take note I believe this is also a "race attending" person, going on my memory)
Written by: Coreton Posted here 07.28.04

I will try to Explain the actions of JEFF this past few weeks and the connections it will have to the OS, UCAD, Nevada Minerals and CMKX.
First of all there are a few things you must Know or have a good Idea about.

1) Nevada Minerals Held 66% of UCAD on 7/17/2004 (Fact)

2) UCAD had 8.5m shares in the float (Fact)

3) Urban Casavant and or friends held the entire OS Plus some shorted shares (I will use 300billion as the Number of shorted shares) (speculation)

4) Nevada Minerals will hold 75 billion shares of CMKX (fact)

5) the Public Float for CMKX will be 40b (speculation)

6) Urban will hold 120b CMKX (speculation)

Now with these things in mind, lets see how they fit together.

The following will be what I SPECULATE may be or could happen.

To explain JEFF and his actions of late we must speculate that UC had in his possession 300b or more of the short issue. This gave Urban some pretty good leverage. I believe that Urban, at some point, sold 200b shares of CMKX to Nevada Minerals for $20m. As part of the agreement Nevada Minerals agreed to sell the shares back to UC at no more than .0004 depending on the pps at the time of buyback. Part of the agreement also gave Urban the exclusive Voting rights to those 200b shares (Proxy). I believe that this is when the AS was raised to 500b.

I think that D. Roger Glenn and E&A were then hired to help Urban Move the 200b from Nevada Minerals and the 300b shorted shares in a manner that would do the least amount of harm to the company and CMKX shareholders.

UC through E&A comes to an agreement with the DTC, SEC and MMs for the MMs to purchase back the 300b shorted shares he holds @.0004. He then Buys back the 200b shares from Nevada Minerals at .0004. Then he retires 160b shares and gives the remaining 40b to the MMs to use to cover what is left of the Shorted issues. All these transactions needed to go through the open market for accountability reasons.

Now a little math here to see how dividends and Racing could be paid for without UC spending a dime.

First the original 200b shares he gave Nevada Minerals for $20million

Then he sold back the 300b shorted shares he bought at .0001 for .0004 a profit of $90 million

Now he buys back the 200 billion from Nevada Minerals at .0004 $80million

That's a net profit of $30million for CMKX and a net Profit for Nevada Minerals of $60 million both of which are non reporting. one is a pink sheet and the other is a Private company. Both are now on the Funny car.

Now then, Lets work on the Share structure. First lets look at Nevada minerals and UCAD.

On 7/17/2004 Nevada Minerals Owned 66% of UCAD I estimate that Nevada minerals held 17 million shares of UCAD with a float of 8.5 million.

On 7/19/2004 UCAD Issued 7.5 million shares to CMKX. Now Nevada Minerals holds only 51.5% but still controlling interest.

Now some speculation based on my own DD on UCAD.

UCAD is in the process of moving to a bigger board and will need to increase their Float to be liquid enough to trade freely. I believe that a forward split of 3-1 will be needed. this will make the float+shares issued to CMKX 48million and Nevada minerals holdings 51 million the AS for UCAD is 100million so as you can see this would only leave 1 million of the AS.

After the 3-1 forward split (which I believe will happen before the August 20th div date) CMKX will now hold 22.5m shares of UCAD for Div . as stated in one of the latest PRs, "Due to Casavant's share contribution to the property acquisition by CMKM occurring prior to the Aug. 20, 2004, date, Casavant will not receive this or any subsequent dividend." ( I believe that this is all inclusive) Urban has taken his shares completely out of the picture for the purposes of computing any and all Dividends.

Now we know that Nevada Minerals is going to get 75 billion shares And I believe based on the Number of CIM/CMI shares that are being pledged that our Float will be 40billion so for Urban to hold the company he would have to have more than 115billion shares.

Now with the shares eligible for the dividend at 115 billion and using 22.5 million dividend shares you get 195 shares per Million CMKX. now 75b shares of CMKX held by Nevada Minerals x 195per 1 million CMKX comes to 14.6 million shares add that to the 51 million currently held by Nevada Minerals and they now have 65.6 million shares. WOW is that not where they started with the remaining 1 million of the AS that was not issued that gives Nevada Minerals back their 66% ownership in UCAD but now they have 5 to 15% joint ownership of all of CMKX Claims. that means that UCAD increased their position in the mining world at ZERO cost.

Ok So what's in this for CMKX?? well it is simple in addition to the 60% interest in the 500k acres, if Nevada Minerals still has the 75 billion CMKX shares on August 31st then we have to divide the CIM/CMI shares (40billion) up between 115b shares. This just simply won't do, IMO, Both UCAD, Nevada Minerals and CMKX want CMKX shares to go up in value. I think Between the August 20th and August 31st date you will see a PR stating that Mr. Casavant has agreed to repurchase the 75billion shares from Nevada Minerals to be retired or that Nevada Minerals has agreed to forgo any further dividend on their restricted CMKX shares possibly even retire them. Thus taking them out of the equation for computing Div. so each CMKX share will get 1 Share of CIM/CMI.

This has been a Speculative look at My own DD that I am willing to share with you. please remember that this is only MY OPINION and nothing more

GLTA

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Bill

You have to consider the huge possibility that insiders such as family members may own over 51% of the company. And, I also think that the PR in regards to UC receiving dividends in UCAD are unclear. You are making an assumption, IMO, that all he had was 40 billion shares. It can be read both ways, the way you say it is supposed to be read, and also in a way where it can be seen as Urban won't be getting any UCAD shares for those 40 billion shares he's given up.

I would bet 200k shares of my cmkx that Urban and his insiders still own at least 51% of the company's stock. Any takers?

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vng...i'm just adding up the pr's from the company and have listened to mel on the radio. everything melvin said has been posted here including the links to the radio when he called melvin a liar. now if it turns out that someone has done something that would be illegal such as calling otc and acting as if they were roger then of course none of this would be true but if the otc post is correct then eveything i stated would be true unless of course the 4 or 5 ppl that posted what they said about calling the nevada state board was a lie but that would mean the a/s is more then 500 billion. i just bought 900 thousand shares yesterday to bring my total over 2 milliom because i believed the o/s was close to 400 billion and thus these shares would not add up to much with the 1.2 million i had. unless UC too k the last 1 million he got from ucad and has been buying shares like crazy the last week our pps is going to take something huge to move up
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Geeze what a bumpy road today, I cannot keep up with you guys
....FYI every story has ending, and we are not there yet.

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quote:
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Well here's some well thought out "speculations" from another board. Worth the read.

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FLASH! IHub Poster Figured Out UC's Master Plan!
Thread started on: Today at 3:23pm


Wow!!! How does somebody have the time to sit down and come up with a theory like that. No clue as to how close it is to being correct but fun to read anyway.


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SPECULATION PLEASE (Especially SToned Pigeon)
Should we be buying UCAD ???
VAN

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quote:
Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
SPECULATION PLEASE (Especially SToned Pigeon)
Should we be buying UCAD ???
VAN

Van I wish I could help you, but I don't know. Just noticed you been calling for some stock buying advice lately.


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quote:
I would bet 200k shares of my cmkx that Urban and his insiders still own at least 51% of the company's stock. Any takers?

Define "Urbans insiders" first.


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quote:
Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
SPECULATION PLEASE (Especially SToned Pigeon)
Should we be buying UCAD ???
VAN


PS
From long business experience, anytime there is this much manuvering. The people who are "DEEP THINKERS" will win( those that can folow multiple levels of action) We certainly are at a position where this is true. Many of you are here to learn, but a few of you can "mentally" handle the DEEP THINKING which could benefit everyone.
I always felt I was a deep thinker and have proved so in the past, this is a new challenge for me and I need help !!. I will be off board from 8/6-8-14.


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Sorry Double Post

[This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited August 03, 2004).]


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Van, you're deep alright. ;-)
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IMO i will be suprised if by the middle of sept the o/s is 483 billion...i believed it was high but also had a feeling UC wanted to reduce it greatly without a r/s by retiring shares in some way. why i feel this way i'm not sure maybe in part because of ppl on this board maybe because of listening to melvin but any investor that know even very little about the market knows that a 483 billion o/s is stupid...100 billion dollars worth of diamonds gives us a pps value of .05 a far cry from making a million millionaires unless you have millions of shares. i will be disappointed if it ends up this way because my gut instinct was wrong. even though my last posts are negitive i still hold hope but the fact is that a 483 billion o/s is very negitive.
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quote:
Originally posted by TradingWizard:
Van I wish I could help you, but I don't know. Just noticed you been calling for some stock buying advice lately.

TW
I have a great deal of experience and part of that is I know that I DON'T KNOW IT ALL, The people here ,working together, can be winners.
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BILL
.05 you must be very young. If I see that I will be very happy and you will be much longer for a $1.
VAN

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Just for fun from Zen

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http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3720981

NUMBERS WE CAN ALL RELATE TO.

Let's simply look at this as a business proposition. Let's assume that bashers have induced selling from approximately 400 millon shares held by weak or newbie investors (I doubt the number is that high but let's just say it is). Now let's say all the good news we hope for hits and shorts have to cover. And let's say it takes the price to a conservative 5 cents. Now if we take the actual number of Ms Shell's bashing hours, averaging 50 hours per week for the past 8 weeks (400 total hours) we can deduce the following Return on Investment equation.

Sold shares = 400 million x .0004 = $160,000
Price at which shorts would have HAD to cover = .05 x 400M = $20 million
Cost saved = $20 million - $160,000 = $19,840,000
Per hour return = $19,840,000 divided by 400 hours = $49,600 per hour

Now THAT would be a wise investment in resources and perhaps would help some to understand possible motives for the appearance of certain invidividuals here. As a business proposition, it just makes sense. We believe CMKX is a wise investment. And I believe that whoever may be backing Ms Shell and her merry band may also view their investment as wise. The above figures, if true, would certainly support that.

PLEASE NOTE: I do not believe the above. This is called humor, albeit subtle. (However, I do believe that the bashers probably did only induce 400M or less shares of selling among the 10s of billions traded in the past few weeks.)


Z

As always, these are my personal opinions.

Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.


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ALL
Just a Thought !!
Most of you are PennyPeople and that OK. So when someone comments on a $6 stock(UCAD) it may immediately turn you off. That's ok too!
For those of you who are willing to look into the (VALUE,MATH) of this, and never doubt that just because you OWN CMKX that all these other "kinda related companys" don't matter !?!?!?! They are intamately related and the strategic purchase and/or sale of those MAY be MORE important than the PPS of CMKX. or maybe not. My experience tells me if you are unwilling to do the "DUE" you may not come out on top later. That's ok also becuase you may help me make MORE money.
Like I say "just a thought"
VAN

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Upside

Insiders to me means people that would grant Urban the voting rights associated with their share position.


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HARRY
Insiders are those(anyone) who has information not immediately available to public
1-R.Glenn
2-UC
3-Melvin
4-Partners
5-B O D
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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Noah,
The link that was posted yesterday is gone and I don't see one in your post but here it is:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=CMKX&dDate=08/20/2004&sDateType=Record_da te

The information is still there.


Upside,

Can you tell me how to find that information on OTCBB for myself? I go to the OTCBB Daily List page, enter "CMKX" under Search Criteria, then I select Dividends - Record Date under Category, and use 08/20/2004 as the date range, but CMKX does not come up. What am I doing wrong? Also, what does this mean from your link under Notes, "Will not be quoted Ex."? Thanks.


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Van

I gotta hedge my bet somehow...hahah


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Van

I gotta hedge my bet somehow...hahah


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I have my own deep thoughts.

1. If it is true that UC made a deal to sell back shorts to Jeff at .0004, couldnt he take those proceeds and buyback an equal number of real shares at the same price.

Thus a short position of 500 billion would retire 500 billion real shares. 300 billion would retire 300 etc.

The MM's could be retiring all of our shares. Except the ones I own of course.


I believe the 483 billion OS includes all naked shorts. Some DD posted earlier showed how MM's logged them and recorded them.

Of that 483 billion how many would be real shares? That is the issue.

Also no one has shown where a pink company has to provide OS when the dividend is from a reporting company. One post last night stated the OTC.BB could receive the info from either company or MM.

So the MM's could have provided the info. In so doing the MM's may have provided Naked shares as well.


I am of the opinion that OS is not a concern because at .0001 all can be retired for 50 million.In one quick push of the button it can go from 500 billion to 1 billion or less as they work out the details of this company going forward.

What matters is where we end up. If we have diamonds in quantity we will be big winners, period.


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originally posted by Acherontia styx:
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Can you tell me how to find that information on OTCBB for myself? I go to the OTCBB Daily List page, enter "CMKX" under Search Criteria, then I select Dividends - Record Date under Category, and use 08/20/2004 as the date range, but CMKX does not come up. What am I doing wrong? Also, what does this mean from your link under Notes, "Will not be quoted Ex."? Thanks.


To answer the 2nd part of your question first, this is what I'm assuming they mean. When a stock declares a dividend, an Ex.-dividend date is usually attached to the symbol when you look up a quote on it. The date is to inform you of when you have to own the stock by in order to recieve the dividend. After that date (the Ex-dividend date) the date tag is dropped and the stock is quoted as normal. I'm assuming they're saying CMKX will not be quoted with the Ex. date attatched, possibly because it is a pink sheet stock. To answer the first part, I was not able to enter the proper search criteria either to make it work. I copied the link from another board. What you can do though is copy only the first part of the link, right up to and including the ? after .asp. Paste it into your address bar and it will take you to the otcbb site and it will bring up every company that has declared a dividend of any type. Be patient if you do it though, it takes a long time to load because it is huge! CMKX is about 22nd or 23rd on the list. Last night they were at # 10 so I'm assuming as new companies report, the older ones are pushed down.


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