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Money_Penny
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Free PR alerts by email. I have been looking for this for a long time!
http://www.smallcapcenter.com/newsalerts.asp

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Brad wrote:

I provide you with a page number and quoted items out of your document to prove you're comment is wrong and you respond by saying "do some research". You're losing your credibility with everyone reading this as long as you can't back up your DD. That's ok with me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Free PR alerts by email. I have been looking for this for a long time!
http://www.smallcapcenter.com/newsalerts.asp

I been using them, fast fast delivery....


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quote:
Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Free PR alerts by email. I have been looking for this for a long time!
http://www.smallcapcenter.com/newsalerts.asp


I wish I could figure out how to make it send to my cell phone. I tried but in order to activiate the service you have to click on a link in a test email they send out. When I get the message on my phone there's no link.


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I wish I could figure out how to input Cnd stock symbols - I do what they say, but still does not work...if anybody figure that out, I would love to know. Thnx in advance.
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I am all very new at all of this and i have a few stupid questions:
what does o/s stand for
what does mm stand for

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penny,

I don't know what happened with that emial. My email account is messed up now. I scanned my computer with Norton, no virus found, if that makes you feel any better.


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quote:
Originally posted by KellieAnn:
I am all very new at all of this and i have a few stupid questions:
what does o/s stand for
what does mm stand for



O/S = Outstanding Shares
MM = Market Makers


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http://www.allstocks.com/edu/html/internet_lingo.html
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KELLY
On the main page: on the left you can click on what all these things mean.
VAN

[This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited July 22, 2004).]


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KelliAnn

O/S is Out standing Shares. When a company issues shares they authorize shares. Let's say 1 million as the A/S. Out of that they issue 50% or 500k shares That would be the O/S. Insiders retain 70% of those 500k shares or 350k, while the 'float' is 150k shares...

MM is Market Maker/Mover They are fund campanies, mutual,hedge, ect that create a market for the shares and fill the requested market orders. They are there to make money. NITE and JEFF as well as SWCB are some MM's that operate on penny stocks.

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This from another board. Striking similarities to the CMKX situation.

"The Cannibals" Part I
by: tthhctws 07/21/04 08:10 pm
Msg: 250533 of 250545

There’s a new game in town and it’s just getting started. The group playing this game is called “The Cannibals.” They are a group of very opportunistic hedge funds who have decided to take advantage of a new market phenomenon - that of excessive “naked shorting.” In the past 4 or 5 years there has been an alarming increase in naked shorting, most of it illegal. It started in earnest when some of the Internet momentum players of the 90’s realized that the game was over, the bubble was bursting and they better start making money on the short side of the market running hedge funds. They soon realized that with their new power they could actually deny smaller companies access to the capital markets by shorting them into oblivion, especially those with losses ”burn rates“).They have probably destroyed hundreds of companies, some say thousands. In some cases they have collectively shorted several times the entire number of a company’s outstanding shares. As crazy as this sounds, it happens. But one person’s abuse can be another person’s opportunity, and now, along come “The Cannibals.” Their game is to identify companies which have been victimized by these shorts to the extent that their stock is now well below any objective level of intrinsic value and where certain minimal investment standards have been met. The company must have decent technology or products, adequate management, meet certain aspects of viability and have a large enough short position to provide substantial economic gain.

Information recently obtained from inside sources say that this is how the game is played. First the funds will very quietly accumulate a large number of shares at the already low price. Since the shorts would still be shorting they would look at the buy orders as “free money.” The key will be for the funds to make their initial purchases with considerable stealth until a significant position has been established. It is altogether possible that they will acquire as many or more shares as the company has outstanding, since at first, the shorts will be very accommodative. Then, once the core position has been established they will likely approach the company and consult with them about possible strategies such as delisting from the Berlin Berman Stock Exchange (which has been a hotbed of illegal shorting), declaring a stock dividend, maybe initiate a corporate maneuver requiring the issuance of new shares and probably working with outside consultants to do an in-depth “shareholder audit” to determine the extent and source of the shorting. Then comes “crunch time”! The Cannibals come out of the closet and start buying with gusto. Buy orders will be coming from every direction, on shore, off shore, hedge funds, well-heeled individual investors, chart readers, momentum players, etc. The Internet can be a useful tool in spreading the message. Once the market knows the shorts are on the run the pressure can get relentless. Unlike a soaring stock where most buyers have a choice of chasing or not, shorts have no choice but to cover at any cost as margin calls dictate the timing.

The hedge fund community is one of the most opportunistic in the world. Results over the past year or so have been sub-par which means their 20% fees aren’t being triggered. Here comes a chance for a handful of hedge funds to take advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to strike it rich over the next year or so. The Cannibals are greed-driven and they plan to take full advantage of this unprecedented moment in market history, even if it comes at the expense of their fellow hedge funds (hence the name “Cannibals”). Some have already started to accumulate shares, but the fruits of their labors probably won’t start to show up until later this summer of early fall. Don’t be surprised to see this catch on in a big way. Once others see how the game is played there will be lots of copycats. Some of the cannibals are already planning for web sites, market letters, trading rooms, etc. It’s even possible that one or two mutual funds of “distressed stocks” will surface before this is over.

What comes around, goes around,. Now the Cannibals are coming to town to eat their young and to create a new batch of billionaires.

[This message has been edited by Brad (edited July 22, 2004).]


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quote:
Originally posted by KellieAnn:

what does mm stand for



mm=market manipulaters more like it.Ha Ha Ha
In some cases.There not all bad.


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Brad,

Give tradingpennys a break. You should know she is just trying to dig up DD...whichever way it goes. Remember, she owns CMKX just as you do. I would be surprised if she isn't correct...based upon what I have seen her post in the past.

Wish I could pull up those sites she identified. Cannot for some odd reason...my Adobe Acrobat just won't do it and I cannot figure out why (have 5.0 on a pentium 4 and using 98SE because I like it).

tradingpennys,

Where did you see richness is back. Hope you are right!

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited July 22, 2004).]


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Wallace

I have a Mac, and I can download the file directly by option-clicking the link. I guess in PC land, the equivalent is alt-click (?) Once you have the file on your own hard drive, then your Acrobat should be able to open it. It's 1.4 MB.


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quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Brad,

Give tradingpennys a break. You should know she is just trying to dig up DD...whichever way it goes. Remember, she owns CMKX just as you do. I would be surprised if she isn't correct...based upon what I have seen her post in the past.

Wish I could pull up those sites she identified. Cannot for some odd reason...my Adobe Acrobat just won't do it and I cannot figure out why (have 5.0 on a pentium 4 and using 98SE because I like it).

tradingpennys,

Where did you see richness is back. Hope you are right!

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited July 22, 2004).]



Sorry Wallace,

I sincerely try and give everyone a fair shake here regardless of their beliefs on CMKX but even you can't defend her on this one without seeing what we're debating. It's black and white. Bottom line, she can't defend her argument and hasn't attempted to do so with any facts. No breaks unless it's facts or opinions stated as such.


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Winsomelosesum,

Thanks much. Problem is I am less than a novice with computers. I depend upon my neighbor who is knowledgeable, but he couldn't download pdfs for me either. I had tried to update to 6.0, didn't work, had 5.0 which I deleted out, and still didn't work and put 5.0 back in...and still no luck.

Brad,

Man! You are tough!!! No offense. LOL


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Wallace,
Are you sure it's not downloading it? I have a DSL connection and it still took close to a minute before it actually downloaded the whole thing. If your on dial up it might look like it's doing nothing for a few minutes before it actually shows up.

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Up,

Yes, I am sure. You just don't know how dumb I am when it comes to computers. I can fix clocks, repair many things on a car and do almost anything related to construction, but I seem to have a mental block with computers, incl. pdfs. I am guessing I messed it up somehow since my neighbor who is knowledgeble cannot download them for me either. Maybe I can get him to come by tonight and try again.

Since I cannot read it, what is your read on it and could you give me a synopsis?

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited July 22, 2004).]


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There seems to be a link to zinc and the U. S. Army.
Go to Yahoo and search "zinc U. S. Army".
Lots of interesting reading.

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originally posted by Wallace#1:
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Since I cannot read it, what is your read on it and could you give me a synopsis?

It's a document put out by the government of Saskatchewan listing all of the major projects going on in the province be they mining, agriculture, tourism, etc. Under the mining heading there is only one listing for diamond exploration, it is in the FALC area and it says it's being done by multiple companies with a value of 21 million. In a nutshell, I'd guess I'd say it's no news at all.



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Here ya go, Wallace.
http://members.aol.com/cmkxpoint0001/mining.gif

It's just the page in question.


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Up - thanks!

Winsumlosesum - thanks, too. All I see there, under the main heading of "Company Name" is "Multiple Companies" and "Diamond Exploration" to the right.
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Please don't spend any more time on it. When next I see my neighbor, I will get him to work on it.


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Anybody read it yet?HA HA HA
It sure does go on doesen't it?


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I screwed up. The image is huge! This one's better.
http://members.aol.com/cmkxpoint0001/mining2.gif

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quote:
Originally posted by WinsumLosesum:
Here ya go, Wallace.
http://members.aol.com/cmkxpoint0001/mining.gif

It's just the page in question.


And just remember, this whole debate started when tradingpennys insisted this document "sure does nail it that CMKM isn't doing anything". Followed by my response "It doesn't prove that at all. On the contrary, if you look at page 21, top line, it indicates that "Diamond Exploration" by "Multiple Companies" in "Forte a la Corne" are in "Phase 1".

Everyone can see the discussion that transpired. The issue for me isn't what's in the document. The issue is that tradingpennys is letting her true colors show by continuing to defend something like this.

[This message has been edited by Brad (edited July 22, 2004).]


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http://members.aol.com/cmkxpoint0001/mining2.gif

It doesen't say proposed.
So 21 mil="We don't know yet" to me.

[This message has been edited by highwaychild (edited July 22, 2004).]
92 Yankee E4

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Brad, if what I saw posted by winsumlosesum is the whole thing, I don't see anything there either. Maybe she saw something there or elsewhere we have not seen.

Let's stop with the "true colors" comments though. OK? She is an asset to the thread.


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If the MM's are so shorted, why play the game this way? I can't imagine that anyone who has held on this long is going to be selling at these prices(.0005-.0004). Especially in the face of a dividend payout in less than a month. All anyone seems to be talking about is how many more shares they continue to buy. The MM's are working with a very Very short time period to be playing these games, When supposedly they are short a couple HUNDRED BILLION Shares!!!

These are shares that the MM's should be buying right? How is it that people are getting filled at .0004 now? Shouldn't the MM's be sucking up every last share at this price? Then walk it up a tick and continue buying? And if they are so shorted, where are the shares coming from that people are buying now??? Something is weird!!! IMO, either the problem is not as bad as everyone seems to think, or there never was a problem to begin with.

My opinion is that the pps should be at a point where buying will stop (maybe .0008-.0009). And then the MM's could slowly walk it down from that point. That would create the most selling potential IMO. As most people start to watch a 900% gain turn into 800%, and then an 800% gain turn into 700% and so on...I believe that would create a large sell off, and a huge buying opportunity for the MM's. But what do I know? I'm still fairly new. IMO the shorted problem was probabily in the hundreds of millions, Not Billions! And the jump to .0006 - .0005 may already have created enought of a profit taking sell off that the shorted problem is all but fixed.

No matter what though, I will continue to hold until the very end! I am one of the people who has added to my stash of CMKX in the last couple of days. I just wanted to voice my thoughts and concerns, and see what everyone else is thinking at this point.

Thanks to All, and GOOD LUCK!!!


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Str8

I can see how that it is possible that the problem is not as bad anymore as people think. But there's too many strange things happening with the trades, the blocks, and the +'s and -'s. I am hoping that the problem is big and that they are just sitting on it to instill fear into the shareholders that the stock really will not move even on news such as dividends. It is more possible that this is happening. I also believe that it is possible for them to be shorting still, and then manipulating the price in the weeks to come, to make more money and then purchase and "retire" the naked shorted shares. They still have some time to work some tricks. I'm long 17M.


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From Dr. D

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"Urban's Ark"
« Thread started on: Today at 04:53am »

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“Urban’s Ark”

So many have been asking me how is everyone going to get through this thing alive and many keep coming back with the same question over and over again. I think we need to look at the practical solutions that are at hand. Seeing we have dividends in other companies being added to our portfolios and percentages and finances going out of CMKX to other companies then we can clearly see that valuation is taking place for CMKX. Valuation is great but it still doesn’t get everyone from point A to point B.

Point A = possibly being in a Naked Short Position wondering if they are going to be covered by the brokerage firm or the MM on their CMKX shares and share dividends
Point B = being on the other side of the Naked Short Position with share dividends in tact and CMKX value still in tact with the MM’s in our dust

We have to get outside the box a little here and realize that Urban doesn't want to bust the MM's he wants to make the investors rich and secure the company. This may rub a few people the wrong way, but I realize I sometimes have that ability. But I’ve been this way for so many years I guess this dog isn’t interested in rolling over for anyone.

Once we get out of the emotional realm where we so often tend to dwell, we can begin seeing a pattern and the potential solution to our problem. We need to first realize that an all out war with the MM’s and/or brokerage firms with the SEC refereeing isn’t a good scenario for anyone. We need to 1st except the fact that I don't see Urban ever backing the MM's into a corner he doesn't want them to get out of. He wants the money for the investors not their heads on a platter.

As much as many would love to take some of the MM’s outback and turn them over to the CMKX wolves it would not put any coin in our pockets. So the obvious question is how do we do this? I believe the answer is to be found in D. Roger Glenn. We all should love Urban and understand how much he cares for the shareholders and just how brilliant a man he is, but he is brilliant enough to also know when he is in over his head. Mining, Business deals with other mining companies, mineral claims, mineral rights, drilling, diamonds, etc… are all areas that Urban has proven himself to be proficient in. We all know the MM’s, securities, the SEC, the DTCC, etc… is an area that Urban can handle himself in, but he is wise enough to now he couldn’t take on the Big Boys by himself.

Enter, D. Roger Glenn who knows all of the above areas Urban was weak in like the back of his hand, as a matter of fact he wrote the book on it. There isn’t anyone out there better than D. Roger Glenn at knowing how to push buttons most effectively and when to push them. He knows more legal angles in these areas that would bury most of us in a matter of minutes. I don’t have to give you the credentials on him because that is part of what most of us has been holding on too for the last 4 to 6 weeks while we were waiting for some solid info.

Link to D. Roger Glenn’s info http://www.ealaw.com/index.php?link=page=attorneys|AttorneyID=39

Roger has over 20 years of experience in securities law. He has handled numerous IPOs and other public offerings, PIPE transactions, exchange and hostile and friendly tender offers, mergers and acquisitions involving public and private companies, private placements, Rule 144A sales, Rule 10b5-1 plans and all filings and reports required by the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

I believe with Urban and D. Roger Glenn together we will be able to push the MM’s (and their associates) to the “OH MY GOD” point with continual dividends, options to other companies, securities changes, mining explorations, lab results, etc… and then when the MM’s don’t think they can take anymore their pain will cry one final Holy $%#@!

It will be short and sweet to us and sour to them and every one that was faithful enough to stay the course with the Commander in Chief and His General will find that in a moment of time they have been guaranteed deliverance from Point A to Point B with an obvious solution.

Point A = possibly being in a Naked Short Position wondering if they are going to be covered by the brokerage firm or the MM on their CMKX shares and share dividends
Point B = being on the other side of the Naked Short Position with share dividends in tact and CMKX value still in tact with the MM’s in our dust.

The only probable solution in my mind would be that we will let them pay their way out with a set sum. We gain nothing by smashing on them until they bankrupt and then we try to get insurance companies involved, the SEC, the DTCC, and God only knows how many attorneys and frankly I believe we can all agree we don’t need these bozo’s trampling around on our dollars. The more they stomp the more we lose.

What can we do or how do we do this? Initially we need to establish a reasonable value of the company beyond its inherent intrinsic value, as is being done now, by our current operations in two separate areas.

We have basically two operations going on right now:
1. In Las Vegas, Nevada trying to create the value for the company the MM’s and brokerage firms have robbed us of (such as dividends, stock purchases, audits, options, and mineral rights and claims); also trying to protect the company from any possible attempts to be taken over; settling securities issues (with the naked short sell position CMKX has in the market place); move the company in to a reporting status to hopefully move up to a real exchange/market; and many other such like things

2. We have Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada and Fort a la Corne where we have an aerial survey of all of the Fort a la Corne area, that is being gone over with a fine toothed comb to identify potential targets for drilling and core sampling; also working to secure permits for drilling on claims we already own; attempting to get too some of the targets we have already located; getting our drill rigs in place; protecting our claims; and many other such like things.

The one can very much affect the other and the outcome can be two seemingly different operations that may actually be pointing the way too our deliverance. In Las Vegas we are mounting an attack and a defense against a seemingly ruthless gang of MM’s that for some reason or another will not back off and cover their naked short position against CMKX. Why the resistance? Have they really that much to gain or lose by an open resistance and flooding of the market place against CMKX? Who really stands to gain from the CMKX demise? Urban and company? No way. The investors? No way! Our JV partners? No way. The MM’s? Maybe and seemingly they would. The DeBeers Cartel? No one would gain more than they would if CMKX fumbled the ball.

So, Urban and D. Roger Glenn are spreading out the wealth and percentages of CMKX that would cause the DeBeers Cartel or any others that think if they can TAKE CMKX out and seize on the claims now have another think coming. We have UCAD with a legal 5% of all claims of CMKX, we have our JV Partners that have 25% a piece of Smeaton Property where Carolyn Pipe is at, and God only knows what else we have out there. The message I believe is being sent to DeBeers Cartel or any others interested in seeing CMKX go down that the wealth is being spread around and you cannot get what we have by taking us down.

On the other hand, DeBeers or foes may be more afraid of the CMKX Casavant Diamond hitting the market over the years to come more than they are interested in actually seizing hold of the claims. Remember we had 52 times the mineral claims in Saskatchewan than DeBeers did when this scenario started developing a little over a year ago. Yes 52 times. Probably more like 51.7 times, but you get the idea. Our potential is therefore exponentially greater than DeBeers of becoming a continuing force in the diamond industry in the years to come seeing that these lands are the most diamondiferous and the largest in the world.

All of this going on while at the same time making a way for all investors to get through. So how do we move everyone from Point A to Point B? I see it best to come in two stages.

1st stage = Too me the logical answer in the first stage would have to be a comfortable cash dividend to the investors in the below dollar range (.10 - .20) depending on how low that Urban and D. Roger Glenn have been able to get the O/S over the last few months. We would then have to decide where the money would come from for the true O/S while at the same time the MM’s would have to cover the rest of the Naked Short Position. With the O/S definitely not “ZERO” the “float” could definitely be “ZERO”. This would mean that the entire float we are watching every day in the market place could be Naked Short Sells.

The dividend is nice and we cost the MM’s some for their slothfulness in covering, but we still are not from Point A to Point B?

Point A = possibly being in a Naked Short Position wondering if they are going to be covered by the brokerage firm or the MM on their CMKX shares and share dividends
Point B = being on the other side of the Naked Short Position with share dividends in tact and CMKX value still in tact with the MM’s in our dust.

2nd Stage. Seeing that we have all now made a considerable sum from the cash dividend and our share dividends are in tact we need a clean break from the MM’s. If we hit them too hard at the beginning some of them want be around for the second round. Now, we know that while the retiring of shares was going on early on in 2004, we were being naked short sold, and I believe that while that was going on Urban was buying up many of the naked short sells as Sterling has pointed out in many of his scenarios. Now if we can imagine that Urban had a significant amount of these Naked Short Shares then he would have made a bundle off of them from the MM’s during the modest cash dividend previously issued. One can only imagine if Sterlings calculations were correct and Urban has 87.5% of the NSS position then a little math here can go a long way. If we have a modest NSS position of 400 billion and Urban has 87.5% of that then he would have in the neighborhood of 350 billion NSS.

350 billion NSS X .10 of cash dividend from stage 1 would = $35 billion

or if we have a .20 as a 1st stage dividend

350 Billion NSS x .20 of cash dividend from stage 1 would = $70 billion

All of this is important because the MM’s are still hanging on and probably mad, hurt, and licking their wounds, but now Urban is in a position to make a tender offer from within the company of XXXXX amount per/share to get everyone on the ARK at the same time. Now we would move into a part of the 2nd stage that will run closely along with other opinions that Sterling and Zen have shared.

Now with a tender offer in place the MM’s have no recourse, the SEC or no one else can tell Urban what he is allowed to pay as a tender offer for our shares. We have already made .10 to .20 per/share off the 1st stage plus the share dividends that have came along in the process of time so the offer can be modest depending on the true O/S because what ever Urban offers will only have to be paid to the true O/S and all of the NSS position will once again have to be matched by the MM’s. this means Urban gets paid again, we all get paid again and the MM’s will have the end of their NSS position in CMKX.

Now if we can thoroughly borrow a piece of Sterling’s scenario and follow up the tender offer with an equal or sizeable share dividend based upon our CMKX holdings at the time of the tender offer, in say CIM, then we can step up into the AMEX or NYSE as an IPO with an honorable offering price significantly in tact as we would be debt free, with assets out the yang.

Why this solution? Because with a share dividend attached to the tender offer we all are carried on Urban’s Ark from Point A to Point B into a land that the MM’s can’t touch us. No questions asked. No bartering. No fear. No one is smashed to pieces, maybe some MM’s get broken a little bit, but they’ll recover and survive and all CMKXers get through victoriously without any NSS position having to be rounded up in the market place share by share by the MM’s. We are rich, Urban is ridiculously wealthy, and all involved are as well. No worrying about whether the MM’s cover or not, no court room, no SEC, no DTCC, etc... We put the coin in our pocket and the MM's have to go away.

This is a nut shell version and as I said it is outside the box, but the only viable solution to get everyone out of this thing in tact in my opinion is “Urban’s Ark”.

Just my opinion and I ask that you treat it as such.

Dr.D


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Christian Traders Invited to Appear on "World Business Review". They mention seeking an interview with Urban.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/7/prweb143462.htm

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I think you are missing the point with the report! I the case of FALC mining zinc is a by-product to get what your after. The Canadian Government has tested & certified a high content of zinc in the 300 ft overburden.
This has a a value of approximately$1000tn and the US galvanizies everything (in the public domain).
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Cool.. I hope it happens ..

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Christian Traders Invited to Appear on "World Business Review". They mention seeking an interview with Urban.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/7/prweb143462.htm


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Now we get to throw an Ark into the mix along with the toasters, naked shorts, double naked shorts, funny cars, dividends in non-existent companies, etc. Some of these theories are getting to be truly ridiculous! Anyone ever hear of Occam's Razor principle of logic?
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