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A THOUGHT
I have taken this opportunity (based on apparent CMKX strategy) to buy some GEMM & ECPN. I especially like the ECPN deal:
1-Fe SOLD
2-Au & Ag always good
3-Pt High content
VAN

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Hi, I am too busy this week to get to post as much as I would like. I saw this on another board and thought it was very worthwhile. I bought more at .0004 today. I didn't see any threes go thru yet. I amy try for some tomorrow. I can never wait for the better price -I just want to buy more and get it in my account. IMO-DD-GLTA-Debi

Some UCAD PR things most may have missed
« Thread started on: Jul 21st, 2004, 6:05pm »

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Some UCAD PR things most may have missed

From the UCAD filing today and the PR.

This is a great PR people.

I'll lay off for now on the obvious everyone else is pointing out.

I found this very interesting. It seems that most may have overlooked it.

5.4 No litigation against the company – Good News! We know we are not being sued or have any outstanding court battles going on over any of our claims or properties involved with all of CMKX because the deal was for 5% of all and this statement of 5.4 says all is well on the litigation front.

5.5 No material Adverse change in the company – Good News! We are financially stable, even if it was only meant to cover a week, that is good news. We know that we are not diving down the hill financially and wondering how we’re going to get things paid for. Plus we have not sold off anything significant, such as more claims or mineral rights, etc…

5.6 No Brokers or Finders Fees lingering over our heads – Good News. Pretty self explanatory.

5.7 Seller and its Subsidiaries do not engage in business with any Person in which any of Seller's directors or officers has a material equity interest. No director or officer of Seller owns any property, asset or right which is material to the business of Seller and its Subsidiaries, taken as a whole. This would sort of discharge the rumors that Urban or any other CMKX officer had a percentage interest in UCAD prior to this transaction.

I have heard so many people including Sterling speculate that Urban or CMKX owned a substantial part of UCAD and this sort of dispels all of that with one little near unobservable statement in this PR. Too I talked with Melvin earlier today for a while and he said he did not know of any relationship, partnership, or ownership anyone with CMKX had before this deal. I know that is not his area of expertise, but I did hear him personally and he is still our I.R.

Plus Melvin is taking his wife to Seattle today for treatments. She did receive blood this morning to give her strength for the journey. Keep them all in our prayers.

The sections are listed below in their entirety and here is the new edited link if you want to look at it.
http://tinyurl.com/6ycmn

I just thought this was all interesting and useful as more DD we can add to the table. Thanks for reading.

Dr.D

5.4 Litigation. There is no action, suit, inquiry, proceeding or investigation by or before any court or Governmental Body pending or threatened in writing against or involving Seller or any of its Subsidiaries which is likely to have a material adverse effect on the business or financial condition of Seller and its Subsidiaries, taken as whole, or which would require a payment by Seller or its subsidiaries in excess of $2,000.00 in aggregate or which questions or challenges the validity of this Agreement. Neither Seller nor any or its Subsidiaries is subject to any judgment, order or decree that is likely to have a material adverse effect on the business or financial condition of Seller and its Subsidiaries, taken as a whole, or which would require a payment by Seller or its subsidiaries in excess of $2,000.00 in aggregate.
5.5 No Material Adverse Change. Since the date of the Asset List attached hereto as Exhibit 1, there has not been any material adverse change in the business or financial condition of Seller and its Subsidiaries taken as a whole, other than changes resulting from economic conditions prevailing in the United States.
5.6 Brokers or Finders. Seller has not employed any broker or finder or incurred any liability for any brokerage or finder's fees or commissions or similar payments in connection with the sale of the Assets to Buyer.
5.7 Transactions with Directors and Officers. Seller and its Subsidiaries do not engage in business with any Person in which any of Seller's directors or officers has a material equity interest. No director or officer of Seller owns any property, asset or right which is material to the business of Seller and its Subsidiaries, taken as a whole.



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Well, here's the latest from another board. Seems OTC BB is publishing and verifying the OS on CMKX. Some speculation that the numbers are coming from the AS, but OTC BB is verifying that CMKX supplied the numbers. Use your own judgement on believing or not. By the way, NOTE, noahltl is posting possibly negative DD:->

This is from Gerbs:

Fine, I called. Found a telephone number on the OTCBB website - see below. Spoke with a rep who confirmed the accuracy of the dividend, .0000155 shares of UCAD for each share of CMKX. Said the information came from CMKX. Read the text below and you can see why the data HAD to be supplied. Regulations state that notification must be sent 10 calendar days prior to record date. Based upon my short converation, and the conviction in the reps voice, I would have to say the OS truly is 483,870,967,742. Not what I wanted to hear of course. Also, the "+" that appears before "stk" means nothing more than to look below to see the multiplier for calculation of the payout.

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http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=CMKX&dDate=08/20/2004&sDateType=Record_date

REPORTING STOCK SPLITS AND DIVIDENDS

Pursuant to Exchange Act Rule 10b-17, issuers must send notification of stock splits, reverse splits, dividends, and rights or other subscription offerings at least ten [calendar] days prior to the record date to the OTCBB Coordinator at the address below. Symbols may not be reserved for OTCBB issues.

OTC Bulletin Board Coordinator
Nasdaq Market Operations
80 Merritt Boulevard
Trumbull, CT 06611

Please contact Market Data Integrity at (203) 375-9609 with any questions regarding these notifications.

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Since I may have posted negative DD, let me not leave it on that note. Here's another opinion:

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If I believe the 483B O/S number - which at this point I think I have to give it some serious consideration because I trust Gerbs call to the OTCBB...then take into consideration that UC must own 51% of that - I would have to believe.

That leaves 200+B out there....I think the vloume we've been seeing is UC buying back and retiring these shares from JEFF, so that when it's time to announce the share structure, the Float is the low number we've been looking for...(10-25B)

Then UC has the very real option of buying that float back from us at $.01?...$.05...$.25 and taking the company private...leaving us with a fat check and a bunch of other shares in affiliated companies.

Anybody else think this is a very real possibility based on how this has been trading? Who else is buying BILLIONS of shares a day and not wanting the price to go up? UC!!!....so he can get full control, go private, and get his shareholders what they want in the process?

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So the dividend date (Sep 24) is correct as well? 483B O/S is very high even if CMKX is retiring shares (if they are retiring).

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483 billion is astronomical, and I think probably unprecedented in the history of the market. On a positive note, it appears Melvin was not lying about the o/s and it appears that CMKX really did retire the 16.5 billion shares late last year to knock the o/s down to where it is today.
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Much conversation on boards about this OTC report. Some are saying it is a false "planting" of info. Who knows? Like Melvin and UC are saying, don't believe it til you see the PR.

Here's some retirement DD

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 1.8 Billion Shares
Jan 9 2004 10:05AM ET

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 6 Billion CMKM Shares of Stock
Sep 30 2003 9:01AM ET

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 9,020,371,427 CMKM Shares of Stock
Oct 10 2003 10:51AM ET


Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of Another 4.4 Billion Shares for a Total of 13,420,371,427 CMKM Shares of Stock to Date
Oct 20 2003 8:30AM ET

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Update of Magnetic Work for Drilling and Retires over 20 Billion Shares of CMKM Stock to Date
Nov 6 2003 11:32AM ET

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces That the Company Has Officially Retired 16.5 Billion Shares Back to the Treasury
Dec 17 2003 4:17PM ET


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Guys Just relax with all your speculation of the O/S. We will find out soon and JUST LIKE MELVIN SAID IT WILL MAKE US RICH!!!!! VERY RICH!!!!!!!
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John,
Thank you regarding info on dividends.
Candydish is a screen "name" I have had for amny years. Came about because it was my CB radio "handle".
Again thank you,
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Well, it appears the OTC BB info is credible and until a PR proves otherwise, we'll have to assume the info is correct.
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I hope they surprise non-believers (I am acting like one today) with less than 200B O/S. Oct 1st is the distribution date already announced (for GEMM). We should know O/S by then if not before.
(if they distribute dividend)

Still long and strong..

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483 billion is astronomical, and I think probably unprecedented in the history of the market. On a positive note, it appears Melvin was not lying about the o/s and it appears that CMKX really did retire the 16.5 billion shares late last year to knock the o/s down to where it is today.


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Lets wait for a official press release regarding the OS....and who knows may come below 300B...

UCAD holding well today...above $6 now...

Go Merger


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cool1sh,
I've got to give you credit. To be able to say still long and strong is something else at this point. This makes my blood boil when I think about it, not from a financial standpoint, but when I think of the nerve of the company issuing that many shares, and if it's true let's face it, they purposely hid it from us, and then to think that I fell for it, well again, it makes me boil over.

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Well, this may be another good opportunity for you old pros to teach some of us a thing or two. What is the link between the OTCBB and the Pink Sheets that would make CMKX required to report anything to the OTCBB and follow their regulations?

Here's an excerpt from the OTCBB website:

The OTCBB is separate and distinct from The Nasdaq Stock Market.

The OTCBB is distinct from the Pink Sheets. The Pink Sheets are not owned or operated by The Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc. or the NASD. The Pink Sheets LLC is a privately owned company whose Electronic Quotation Service provides an Internet-based, real-time quotation service for OTC equities and bonds.


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Oh well I invested enough that I am quite neutral - not buying and not selling and waiting long and strong. I cannot speak for anyone but it is very obvious that CMKX is covering the O/S count - what does it take to let us know! At least we are getting something in return (dividents), they obviously trying to fix something that went wrong.... So everyone should get few chances in life to suceed...go cmkx go!
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Grasshopper,
I believe (not 100% sure) that they have to report it because the dividend we will be receiving is in a reporting companys stock.

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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
This makes my blood boil when I think about it, not from a financial standpoint, but when I think of the nerve of the company issuing that many shares, and if it's true let's face it, they purposely hid it from us, and then to think that I fell for it, well again, it makes me boil over.

With all due respect Upside why let your shorts get bundled up? You say yourself in your post, "if it's true", which is exactly the basis for the wait and see approach. We all believe that the O/S will be known soon enough, (hopefully be the end of this month) so take a little comfort in that and just wait and see. Bottom line, we simply don't know that the information on otcbb.com is true. Until it's released officially it's simply speculation for all of us. IMO


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I am long because I still think CMKX will go up. I definitely do not want to sell without the dividends (if they really issue).


quote:
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cool1sh,
I've got to give you credit. To be able to say still long and strong is something else at this point. This makes my blood boil when I think about it, not from a financial standpoint, but when I think of the nerve of the company issuing that many shares, and if it's true let's face it, they purposely hid it from us, and then to think that I fell for it, well again, it makes me boil over.


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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
cool1sh,
I've got to give you credit. To be able to say still long and strong is something else at this point. This makes my blood boil when I think about it, not from a financial standpoint, but when I think of the nerve of the company issuing that many shares, and if it's true let's face it, they purposely hid it from us, and then to think that I fell for it, well again, it makes me boil over.


EASY Upside, it's just rumor til we see the PR. With Urban giving away 40 billion of his shares, he must surely own a tremendous amount of the OS. He would definitely not let more than 50% of the company shares be in anyone else's hands. It may be outstanding, but I think most of it "standing out" in Urbans account. Be patient, look at the things that have occured over the past few months. They know what they're doing and they're putting it all together. I know you want to know everything right now, but some information just cannot be made public on our desired timing. You have to trust UC and Roger or there is no reason to be in this.

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UCAD suddenly moving up in volume and PPS. May precede a PR. You know, a little "insider trading"???? PPS 6.185
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If the OTC info was truly submitted by Roger, then we would have to have a PR now from him. I can't think that he would make such a release to a stock board without posting to his shareholders. The only exception would be if this was a "strategic" move. Don't ask me what it would be, I don't have any idea, but I still believe that there would be a good reason, and all we could do is watch it play out.
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Brad, cool1sh, noah, etc,
You guys are of course right but even the staunchest supporter right now has to admit that the information looks credible and it is not what we wanted to hear, especially secondhand, instead of straight from the horses mouth so to speak. As far as Urbans holdings go, the latest speculation is that he owns none as he is not entitled to the UCAD dividend due to his contributing his 40 billion shares. No, I'm not selling at this point either as there is still hope but as of right now, this doesn't look too good.

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And the plot thickens...from another board:

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On pal6talk today

Dugg called OTCBB and had them look up the actual notice sent to them. They said that the numbers were given to them by a "D R Glenn". Dugg contacted Melvin whom inturn contacted UC. Dugg was told that the PR was untrue and that they (anybody from CMKX or Glenn's office) did not give that info out. Also, they appear to be "pissed" off about it.

This what I heard on Pal talk FWIW.


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I wonder who is the 'prankster' - if there is a one. :d
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I have to admit, if I loose all my money, I'll still feel good about it because this is the best $1200 I ever spent!!!
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Hello All,
I just wanted to say thanx. I have been a what you call "Lurker" for the past few weeks (about a month and a half actually), after I received this CMKX stock tip from my motgage broker. I knew absolutely nothing about the stock market, but you guys have helped to increase my knowledge of stock dealings ten-fold. Reading your messages about this stock have been the most exciting thing that I have done in weeks. Your speculations leave me every day with my heart in my hands ...so to speak. Well long story short I have since gotten a few of my friends to buy the stock and we are about 6 Million strong. So again I say thank you and good luck.... although it really is looking like there is none needed...... I don't care what has been "leaked" out as the o/s count.

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I'm going to bring this up again....anyone?????


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Strangely my post concerning the cheap aquisition of the Juina shares has been wiped.

Again.....

500,000 / 95,502,027 = .0052

500,000 / 127,336,036 = .0039

Juina trades at 0.06. It was probably 0.05 when this deal was struck, so why does CMKX get the shares at more than 10 times cheaper than the trading value?

Can somebody, put this into the equation somewhere?




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1....retired shares are not part of the o/s
thus if they did retire what they said in 2003 they re-issued them. which also means that nevada mining owns more of cmkx then cmkx does
2....UC does not own any shares of cmkx or he would be getting the same dividends as us. the pr said in plain english...because the deal was before the 20th he would not be getting the dividend, it didn't say he coose to give it up even though he still owned shares.
3...with an o/s like that its easy to see why the pps has not gone up. the volume could be 4 billion a day for yrs and it wouldn't move
4...i guess melvin didn't lie about the o/s being 400 billion...it was way over...still don't understand how he would think we would be very happy

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quote:
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And the plot thickens...from another board:



I saw this too but didn't repost it here because this whole thing just sounds to fishy to continue to speculate. Too many second, third or forth hand comments being made IMO.


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quote:
Originally posted by tic_toc:
I'm going to bring this up again....anyone?????


[QUOTE]Originally posted by tic_toc:
[b]Strangely my post concerning the cheap aquisition of the Juina shares has been wiped.

Again.....

500,000 / 95,502,027 = .0052

500,000 / 127,336,036 = .0039

Juina trades at 0.06. It was probably 0.05 when this deal was struck, so why does CMKX get the shares at more than 10 times cheaper than the trading value?

Can somebody, put this into the equation somewhere?


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Tic Toc I am very curious why your post keeps getting wiped. Contact the moderator and find out why. This is very curious indeed.


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quote:
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1....if they did retire what they said in 2003 they re-issued them. which also means that nevada mining owns more of cmkx then cmkx does
2....UC does not own any shares of cmkx or he would be getting the same dividends as us. the pr said in plain english...because the deal was before the 20th he would not be getting the dividend, it didn't say he coose to give it up even though he still owned shares.
3...with an o/s like that its easy to see why the pps has not gone up. the volume could be 4 billion a day for yrs and it wouldn't move
4...i guess melvin didn't lie about the o/s being 400 billion...it was way over...still don't understand how he would think we would be very happy

Let's make sure we qualify your statements here.
My answers to your bullets

1...Speculation, not fact.

2...Speculation, not fact. The PR was not as clear as you state.

3...Not fact. Even if the O/S was 500 billion, at 4 billion a day you would be sold out at 125 trading days. Not years. By the way, many days in the past few weeks we've seen volumes in the 6 to 8 billion.

4...Sarcasm

JMHO


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well now we have one call saying the o/s at the otc is true and one saying untrue...lol
if it does prove to be untrue i'd have to say the mm's are in real trouble. if the otc ever traces back to where that came from there will be h**l to pay...if it is true i can understand no pr, after everything melvin has been saying, i'd want it to leak out too. even more so after the t/a mess.

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Let's just wait and see...don't tell me the ending to the movie, it's just begun!
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It was only wiped the once, all i want to know is the answer to my question about the shares of juina being bought for 10 times less than the trading value. lol nobody seems intrested thoigh lol.

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Tic Toc I am very curious why your post keeps getting wiped. Contact the moderator and find out why. This is very curious indeed.



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quote:
Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
A THOUGHT
I have taken this opportunity (based on apparent CMKX strategy) to buy some GEMM & ECPN. I especially like the ECPN deal:
1-Fe SOLD
2-Au & Ag always good
3-Pt High content
VAN

[This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited August 03, 2004).]


NO COMMENT ????
TIC-TOC
Been thinking about this no immediate ideas, I did buy some though.
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PERSONALLY
I think things are just fine the PPS is holding regardless af all the B$$S, The dividends though small tend to reduce trading by longs:
1- to get the dividend
2- Creating a wait to overcome broker charges for restricted shares.
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ONE MORE TIME
The PR re ECPN has "VALUE" consider what this means !
VAN

[This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited August 03, 2004).]


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