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Finally, something we can converse on at equal levels! I'm MS in Astronomy from U-Michigan, thus in part my userID. I didn't catch the recent news, will have to check. Certainly a disaster about the Space Telescope, what a completely boneheaded move to cut funding for it. Did you see their latest deep-field picture? Was astounding, I couldn't stop staring at it.
The big bang "theory" is definitely safe, universe is 13.5B yrs old and expanding. Will check in on recent developments, always a lot about dark matter etc spinning around in science news but sometimes I miss some.
Could talk about this for awhile, but don't want to drone on off-topic. On a tangential note though, you might be fascinated if you read about the application of chaos theory to the stock market (or perhaps you already have).
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NASA wasn't bad to cut funding to Hubbel. Hubbel is obsolete--some brainiac came up with a better scope-- The reason we had to put Hubbel in space is cuz the atmosphere distorts/scatters light- somebody at the UC system came up with a flexible mirror, and incorporated it into a stereo telescope--using computers/software they can "undistort" the images and use a much larger more powerful earth based scope--supposed to be online and working real soon.
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I understand now, Blue! You are blue shifted!
You might catch replays on the Hubble. Think I watched it on sixty minutes just recently. The Hubble special was tied in with our space shuttles, as a victim of postponed shuttle flights.
Yes! Lots of stunning pictures coming down from the Hubble. I am so pleased to live during a time period when we can enjoy so many discoveries.
Currently have my mind's eye on Mars. News came in today one of the rovers is parked on a Martian beach! I so much want news to come back, life once existed there! Major religious impact!
Glassman, I am going to whop you upside the head. Hubble is a renewable resource! With the shuttles, new packages, new systems are a snap to install. It is one of these new systems which led to the discovery of anti-gravity, although this force has yet to be verified through good Scientific Method. Thus far, only sound explanation for observed speeds and increasing distances between masses, is anti-gravity!
We must have anti-gravity if we are to survive as a species when our sun gobbles up our solar system, in the future. Not going to tell you how far into the future just to cause you more anxiety!
Just imagine anti-gravity! What a terrific propulsion system that would be! Better than trying to climb up a flashlight beam.
Black holes, Hawking, both my heroes, next to Einstein.
Black holes are black, sorta, unless you want to create a color called "absent." What color do you get when there is an absence of light? Absent Black!
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PG--ever read any Graham Hancock--good read-start with Fingerprints of the Gods then read The Mars Mystery---life on Mars? maybe---but it's gone--sad. Why it's gone is scary----odd you should bring up Blue shift--red shift is the reason they "think " the universe is expanding and hence the basis for the THEORY of the big bang. I like a more harmonious start to the universe theory but i don't feel like writing a book tonight.
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Ummm... glassman I enjoy your posts man, but - I won't comment on your analysis of the Hubble except to say that we'll have to agree to disagree.
Blue-Shifted, heh - I like it! Einstein is no doubt my #1 hero, his body of work is stunning and his was the greatest mind of all time. Finished reading Brian Greene's Elegant Universe recently, a very lucid explanation of both special+general relativity in the beginning. The superstring theories he gets into later on are fascinating but I admit dense to understand. The beauty of special relativity is that it can be studied from a series of fairly simple hypothetical "stories" about moving trains and the like, I've even gone through them with my 11-yr old on the whiteboard. Fascinating stuff.
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Ummm... glassman I enjoy your posts man, but - I won't comment on your analysis of the Hubble except to say that we'll have to agree to disagree.
Blue-Shifted, heh - I like it! Einstein is no doubt my #1 hero, his body of work is stunning and his was the greatest mind of all time. Finished reading Brian Greene's Elegant Universe recently, a very lucid explanation of both special+general relativity in the beginning. The superstring theories he gets into later on are fascinating but I admit dense to understand. The beauty of special relativity is that it can be studied from a series of fairly simple hypothetical "stories" about moving trains and the like, I've even gone through them with my 11-yr old on the whiteboard. Fascinating stuff.
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oops, dangit - sorry for doublepost. gotta remember not to hit "back" when in allstocks boards...
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Hmm, well this question of whether or not the big bang is a "theory" really boils down to a question of whether you believe the science, or whether you instead follow faith. There's 100.0% certainty, according to the laws of science, that the universe is between 13 and 14 billion years old and is expanding. It's just a question of whether one chooses to accept or reject science on this question. Each person of course has to make his or her own choice, and not saying which one is better. Even Einstein hated some of the conclusions of modern cosmology and physics and strove for more order, thus his famous "...not play dice with the universe" utterance after getting really cheesed off about quantum mechanics.
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dude--that's not my analysis--the thing is almost built and they got the money based on that argument--i'm just regurgitating what i read---NO LOL no offense taken--none intended----these ULTRA science guys get away with a lot of BS--it happens wherever the scientists can control the peer review processes--that's how their particular form of pumpandump works--MD's to theophysicists to molecular entomologists---it's all in the politics
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I know what you mean about linking new scopes together to build an image, wasn't disputing that part. Just saying that in my opinion it's not fiscally or scientifically sound to mothball Hubble, it is still generating a mountain of valuable data.
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Ok--I'll bite---I really didn't want to do much typing tonite-BUT
The red shift is the basic evidence for the expansion of the universe right now(well OK last year. we may have some new stuff worked up that isn't in print yet) the red shift is a phenomena splained currently as the "stretching" of light waves as they are emitted from an object that is moving directly away from the viewer--One of the BIG problems presented by this theory is that EVERYTHING we look at in deep space is displaying it---That means that EVERYTHING in the universe is moving away from everything else----HMMMMMMMM One possible explanation that is not fully accepted YET--is that the red shift may actually be caused by gravity-----------there are a lot of implications produced by this theory and Einstein did in fact say plainly that gravity sretches/curves space-- the curvature of space could in fact be causing the red shift not "the traveling away".
There are a lot of theories that are accepted and considered to be fact by the general populace--- the theophysicists debate these theories constantly--if you read the discusions/arguments they have--it becomes clear that there is a lot of assumption going on. We still are a long way from a unified theory. That in itself proves we don't have anywhere near the right answers yet--our current poor theories don't even give us ONE theory that we can start to test.
The string theory has been falling out of favor lately.
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Don't you wish you could type at one-hundred spelling errors per minute? Drives me nuts! I start typing before the box jumps up for your name and password. Ah! there it is now.
Speaking of strings, this young underage string decides to enter a bar to have a beer,
"Barkeep, gimme a beer!"
One glance, barkeep firmly says,
"String, you are too young. Get out of here!"
Undaunted, the string unwraps himself from his barstool, slinks outside, jumps around a corner, then ties himself into a knot. For an added touch, he vigorously frays the end of his knot.
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PG--i never care to type at all until VERY recently---i could just talk--then i moved into this godfosarken state and everybody just looks at me like i'm from Iceland or something when i sart taliking--LOL
Speaking of Iceland i once had a very nice blond-haired feamle type friend from there named Oertla (SP?) know her?
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Too bad I missed this discussion last night. You guys are too cool for me.... Im in bed by 9:00. But I just had to add my 2 cents.
Blue, where did you get your BS from. I have a BS in astrophysics from Florida Institute of Technology. Anyway, the expanding universe... if memory serves, was discovered by Mr. Hubble, hence the Hubble's law which says that the velocity of the a galaxy is equal to the Hubble constant (I forget the value) times its distance. At least Im pretty sure thats what I learned in school, but then again I had a "pretty good" time in college so I could be mistaken... Now, to really twist your brain, what happens in years to come. Does the universe keep expanding and the stars just fizzle out or does it retract? I forget where I read this, but if it retracts... do we have a whole new big bang (aka big bounce)???
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Hey PG, is this anti-gravity that your talking about called dark energy? Im not up on recent astro discoveries, but I remember a few years ago they "thought" they had discovered something that they called dark energy which was supposed to oppose the accelerating universe. If I remember right, Einsein actually came up w/ a constant for this that, I think, he called the cosmological constant (blue-does this ring a bell or am I full of sh*#t??). But then after more research Einstien decided that this was wrong. Well, it turns out that maybe he was right...
Is there something new that Ive missed on the news that has brought this discussion up?
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PG--Oertla? Urtla? pronounced ERTLA--a grad student in your dept circa 1999-2001? New word for you?---callipygian?---if the levi's fit?
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you are correct Einstein used an anti- gravitational constant in his early equations--BUT he was using that under the assumption that the universe is not expanding---- HMMMMMMMMM there are some rumors that he destroyed a lot of his papers that followed this line of thought----he was working on HARMONIC theories--------
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514, to answer your question - BS from Oberlin. Yeah you're essentially correct about Hubble - the larger the redshift, the larger the recession velocity and thus the distance. In short, d=Hv.
As for Einstein, yup - he called the "cosmological constant" his greatest mistake as a scientist. Shoulda busted out Occam's razor on that one, the cosmological constant==1. When in doubt, don't use fudge factors. Far be it from me to question Einstein though, of course! 514, if you have a mathematical bent/background, Pais' "Subtle is the Lord" is the best book I've ever found about Einstein's life theories. Be prepared for a bit of math though!
As for ALMI - I see a rise to .25 fairly quickly followed by a dip back before moving back up. We'll see.
Just remember, you cannot travel into the past and even if you did, fundamentally your fundament still would not fit well.
Your friend came through over ten years after I did.
Required accelerative force becomes infinite at the speed of light, as does mass. Besides, traveling at the speed of light will cause your wig to blow off. Don't do it.
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Blue, thanks for the tip on the book. Ill have to get myself a copy. Math wasn't the hard part of college. Getting up for class was... lol Although, looking back, those 11AM classes weren't all that bad.
Hey Glass, I guess I dont need to waste money on a finance degree after all. It seems that a little physics is all you need... I guess I'll just take all these stock trading books back to Barnes & Noble!!!lol
Oh yeah, back to ALMI. Well, I wanted to buy some the other day but I guess I procrastinated a little too long. Now Im a little hesitant to buy at the present price. I know this is long term and is a fairly safe investment, but do y'all recommend that I wait for a retrace? I bought my first couple of stocks a few weeks ago and Ive been bloody ever since. At least MRKL is inching back up, so I dont feel too stupid. Anyway, I would like to have a little green in my portfolio...at least for a few days. lol Have a good night
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Nash, opening for ALMI was great. Lot of trades at .27 per share. Closed a bit higher on the week. All looks good to me!
Almost all true penny stocks I monitor lost value today, quite the opposite of the major indices gains.
I have found true penny stocks lag about twenty-four to seventy-two hours behind major markets on performance. When the NASDAQ is down on a certain day, two days later, low price penny stocks fall.
If this pattern holds true, we should see increasing prices for penny stocks on Monday and Tuesday, in response to today's moderately up but volatile day.
Now, to really twist your brain, what happens in years to come. Does the universe keep expanding and the stars just fizzle out or does it retract? I forget where I read this, but if it retracts... do we have a whole new big bang (aka big bounce)???[/B]
Open universe theory--no "retracement" LOL
closed universe theory--collapse followed by another big bang--Poul Anderson (an astrophycisist i think)wrote a really good book called Tau Zero--I lost it in a house fire a few years back---fun PULP but gets into some really good philosophical raison d'etre marginally open universe theory--- in this one the universe expansion slows to finally find an equilibrium-- sounds like the best one for our long term survival i think it's just wishfull thinking
Let's see if we can twist the brain a little tighter? ---if the universe does eventually stop expanding, will we finally be able to calculate PI?
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funny you picked Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow for a reference---that's where i first saw it-- but i could not finish Gravity's R___ it was way too over the edge--even for me--Kurt VonnegutX1,000,000---- LOL
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Ah yes...PG, I forgot to mention the nice run up at the open...it was nice to see.. 0.27 is getting close to putting me at the 100% level, as I was lucky enough to sneak a late buy in at 0.145 on a dip...
Thats an interest note regarding the pennies lagging the majors..I'll be sure to watch for that in the future...I hope you are correct about monday and tuesday...good penny markets will go nicly with GZFX on monday...
I have a degree in both English and in Earth Science. An end result is I am twice as anal retentive, perhaps thrice so with a minor in anthropology. Being a teacher certainly does not diminish this endearing quality.
Have to keep in mind Pynchon is an old world pot head, much like James Mitchum. Pynchon is of Greenwich Village culture, circa black and white television and Bo Diddley.
Pynchon is talented at using words and language, but his facts are up in smoke.
“Those dusky Afro-Scandinavian buttocks, which combine the callipygian rondure observed among the races of the Dark Continent with the taut and noble musculature of sturdy Olaf, our blond Northern cousin”
Afro-Scandinavian, no. Afro-Nordic, yes. Unknown to him, his clever use of words actually references the Norse of ancient western costal Scandinavia, specifically todays Norway. Buttocks of Norse women were well rounded and large, but for dietary reasons, not environmentally induced genetics.
Races of the Dark Continent. This is Africa. Large round buttocks were specific to very select early tribes in a small geographic region of Africa. Those pronouned buttocks were used for fat and water storage. They were not specific to all races in Africa.
Taut and noble musculature. Noble perhaps to some eyes, taut and musculature, certainly not! Almost all fat with a nice jello shake provided by water content. I know this first hand, or first hands.
Blond Northern cousin. Nope! Not a cousin at all, distant progeny of Africans. All Anglos are progeny of Mesopotamia peoples, African peoples, who are dark skinned.
Cold north european weather produced Anglos.
Pynchon, a talented interesting writer who probably inspired the lyrics,
"Don't bogart that joint, my friend."
He knows his words. He didn't pay enough attention during his science classes.
See what I mean about my being doubly anal?
Sit on your bum for a bit and wonder why most cope with me.
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Glassman, forgot as usual and I don't use that maryjane stuff!
A song you will know and so fitting for this dialog. This is not listed on our rock n roll page being a part of our private collection for our musician friends.
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my tastes in that vein run to a much better known writer--the symbolism used by Charles Dodgson was easier to "unfold" because the references are less mysterious and obscure. I don't think I have been able to get all of his references tho--- because i didn't live in his political climate, and i have no pedophilic tendancies. "Funny" how people read it to their kids isn't it?
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Yes, our music is intended for good stereo systems with good quality woofers and deep bass sub-woofers! Best at one-thousand watts around six in the morning to annoy the family.
Breakfast on this cold foggy California morning, Irish Creme jitter juice with English muffins smothered in peanut butter making for well defined callipygian assets.
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