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‘Haunted’ By Newtown, Pro-Gun Senator Backs New Gun Laws

By Josh Israel posted from ThinkProgress Justice on Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 am


Sen. Robert Casey Jr. (D-PA)

Sen. Robert Casey Jr. (D-PA) has received an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association and campaigned in his 2012 re-election race on his “record of supporting the Second Amendment and the interests of Pennsylvania sportsmen.” But after Friday’s tragedy in Connecticut, Casey has switched positions and now supports banning assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

On Monday, Casey indicated that he would be open to considering new gun laws. In his initial statement, he said, “These senseless acts of violence are unacceptable. Addressing them will require a comprehensive strategy that acknowledges all of the factors that contributed to this tragedy and takes every appropriate step to protect our citizens, especially our kids. Everything should be on the table.”

Wednesday, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports, Pennsylvania’s senior senator said he was “haunted” by the Newtown shootings and ready to back two major gun control proposals:


Furrowing his brow and casting his eyes downward, Casey expressed regret that he had not reconsidered his views as starkly after earlier massacres at Virginia Tech and in Aurora, Colo.

“The power of the weapon, the number of bullets that hit each child, that was so, to me, just so chilling, it haunts me. It should haunt every public official,” said Casey, who won a second term six weeks ago while touting his opposition to gun control.

In the days since the shooting that killed 20 children and eight adults, the debate around gun laws has shifted. Democrats have called for reinstating the assault-weapons ban and barring magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

“If those two bills come before the Senate, I’ll vote for both,” Casey said. He said his decision amounted to being “summoned by your conscience.”

A growing number of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have said this week that they are reconsidering their opposition to gun control. President Obama announced Wednesday that he has has created a task force to recommend steps to prevent future tragedies like Sandy Hook and the many others the nation has endured since Columbine

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62% of 620 people? grasping at strwas are we? call up people in NYC or San fran and you can get that numebr no problem...


i have not yelled and screamed either ray, you are the one ranting and raving and you are ont he side of people that admit they need to act quick while people are emotianlly distraught ove rhtis tragedy. you have onehellofalot of nerve accusing me of not caring too... that's just BS, but that's what you are up to here anyway and you know it...

i voted for Obama based on the fact that he ran on NOT attacking gun rights.

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Thank you Pagan it was getting a little lonley out there.

You were spot on they have never said where they stand. I have heard a lot About China and what it does.

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Tisk, Tisk Where and what do you stand for. calm down and quit acting like a hick in a cathose.


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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Thank you Pagan it was getting a little lonley out there.

You were spot on they have never said where they stand. I have heard a lot About China and what it does.

we aren't the ones quoting polling of 620 people and calling it "The American People"... LOL... that is propaganda

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Thats just the begining glass. by the way where do you stand larger poll several weeks ago showed a lower percentage. by the way what are yor proofs

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I am not grasping straws on anything its just the start we have a long way to go and sounds like you are in for the long haul. Don't worry there will be a lot more polls Glass I think they will fall against you.

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quote:
Originally posted by buckstalker:
Nows it's time for me to execise my rights under the 1st amendment...PHUCK YOU RAY!!!!

I realize this is a serious and emotional issue but it just goes to show you, humor can be found in everything.

The comment above by Bulkstalker had me laughing harder than any comment I've ever read here.

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Same to you Bucky

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see you guys in about 48 hours goig to take a little 2 day trip to celabrate

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celabrate waht? new laws restricting our rights or that that the left got handed a chance to have politcal victory no matter the price?

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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Interesting but I have my own opinion from thoes facts.

By the way buck and glass you have yelled and screamed long enough finger pointed ect.ect. But you have failed so to say where you stand. It would be interesting to learn that from you on this issue. You know back ground checks, waiting periods,Gun shows a legal way for felons to purchase fire arms are yo for changing that I am.How do you feel about such things.

So far 62% of americans have shown how they feel.

Ray...are you being serious or are you just plain STUPID?

I could learn more by talking to a log...

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You know i am not a gun lover.

I have never owned one and never shot one except for a bb gun, before i was in the military.

I have never picked one up since.

But it is a Constitutional right to own one.

I am so sick of our rights being taken away, little by little.

We keep sending our Military to foreign lands to protect other countries rights and supposedly to protect ours.

Many losing their lives and being wounded on the battlefield, for this privledge of freedom.

This is something we have done for a long time.

We need to protect more of our own rights instead of worrying so much about others.

I know one way or the other, some amount of our rights will to be given up to achieve more protection for our children, because of these events.

But lets find a better way than is being suggested now to achieve that.

We all know that the criminals will still get what they want anyway, which has been stated many times before on this board.

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quote:
Originally posted by buckstalker:
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Interesting but I have my own opinion from thoes facts.

By the way buck and glass you have yelled and screamed long enough finger pointed ect.ect. But you have failed so to say where you stand. It would be interesting to learn that from you on this issue. You know back ground checks, waiting periods,Gun shows a legal way for felons to purchase fire arms are yo for changing that I am.How do you feel about such things.

So far 62% of americans have shown how they feel.

Ray...are you being serious or are you just plain STUPID?

I could learn more by talking to a log...

I have been explaining that situation for some time now.
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Honestly CCM...you and 007 are quite similar in a lot of ways...the big difference is that you are on opposite sides of the fence...

Both of you are party parrots and you both spread propaganda

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we better ban tornadoes too:

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both bans will be similarly effective [Wink]

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Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:

I have been explaining that situation for some time now.
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Know when you have made your point, sometimes it looks like the point wasn't the issue, which starts to take away from your point.

This happens a lot in politics also.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUIXH9DeCRU

Nugent video.

NRA speaking now. Wants a police officer in every school.

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his pointabout kids seeing over 10,000 people die in movies and TV before they are 18 is well made.

the same people who push all this violence for entertainemtn and PROFIT then want to make an inanimate object the probelm?

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How bout the elmentary killing kids game??? WTF
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Originally Posted By Glassman:

his pointabout kids seeing over 10,000 people die in movies and TV before they are 18 is well made.

the same people who push all this violence for entertainemtn and PROFIT then want to make an inanimate object the probelm?
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I have brought the issue up several times before.

They try and make the killing of people as real as possible and as grusome as possible, on tv and at the movies.

It almost seems like the more the violence the higher the ratings go.


We know in the earilier days of movies etc. we still got the point, but without all the special effects for death, i actually liked it better ealier.

But people seem to want more of real, or they would not be making the money they do on films and tv, that push this point.

I feel it increases the likely hood of these events a little, because it seems to glorify the deaths and of such events.

Not everyone is on the good guys side.

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quote:
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Wants a police officer in every school.

Why no one has come up with this solution before is what baffles me...we have armed guards for politicians, movie stars, diplomats, sports figures, etc. etc...

Yet we do not offer our kids the same protection...

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Let me point out that armed personnel at Columbine High School and Fort Hood could not stop mass shootings.

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celabrate waht? new laws restricting our rights or that that the left got handed a chance to have politcal victory no matter the price?
as posted by glassman!!!!!

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None of your damn business why I am going out for a couple of days.


Now get back behind you 82 year old mothers skirt.

Why would you bring your dear 82 year old mother into a talk like this. She is most likely a very good women.

see you around faggot

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Wants a police officer in every school.

Why no one has come up with this solution before is what baffles me...we have armed guards for politicians, movie stars, diplomats, sports figures, etc. etc...

Yet we do not offer our kids the same protection...

Well, we used to.

At least in my part of the country.

Anybody can look up literature, diaries, newspaper accounts and so forth to verify that once upon a time not so very long ago my part of the world was rife with savage behavior.

Accordingly, if kids wanted to venture much beyond the purview of the near ground, the adults would make up an excuse for a "picnic," or some such, so that armed adults would be around. Perhaps the most famous example of lax security is the kidnapping of Cynthia Ann Parker, white mother to one of the last great Chiefs.

A unique window in history has passed us by, when "no one locked their doors," and "we kids could go anywhere."

Throughout history, dealing with the savage has been a continual, chronic problem. Teach your children well and gird your loins--to paraphrase the Bible...the savage we always have with us.

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that unique window in history isn't a window Tex, it's a TV/movie screen.

don't climb the Texas Tower was what people said when i was a teen in DC or don't go postal. people were doing it even during the relative peace of the 50's.


it's myth that we have ever lived without savagery... and even worse? allot of waht we call civilised behaviousr is actually savagery perpetuated on people we have labeled savages as an excuse to perpetrate the savagery ourselves. the whole Colonial period is rife with it

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quote:
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Let me point out that armed personnel at Columbine High School and Fort Hood could not stop mass shootings.

Neither will more gun laws...

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Here is a list of the 25 most dangerous cities in the U.S.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-25-most-dangerous-cities-in-america.html?page= all

I live about 20 min east of Flint and about 45 min north of Detroit...

It is a fairly rural area with a good mix of blue/white collar people and was once one of the richest counties in the nation...

It is a relatively safe place to live considering it's proximity to the top 2 most dangerous cities in the US, and the reason that it is safe is because it's law abiding citizens are WELL ARMED and the criminals know it...

Take away our guns and theses hoodlums would have a field day up here...

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If you look at armed security in school it would have to work if it is done right because we have a great history to profile the events.

Frist of all it should be mandatory in every school in the country and all training of officers should be handled on a federal level.School security should be its own dept. That attends to its own special needs. Local law enforce ment and school security should work hand in hand and security should be under the authority of the educators on site.

From what I have heard there is over 20,000 schools with armed security in them now all dis organized and different.What we don't know is how many shootings these guards prevented by just having there presents on duty.

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president Clinton first introduced the idea for armed guards after Colombine.
As i understand it? It got approved but never got funded.

There is something creepy about having an armed guard at an elementary school, but not as creepy as what we've been seing out of society lately....

we were runnign a thread here about odd behaviours after that guy ate somebodies face off ( [Confused] can you belive we are even talikng about this seriuosly? ) and the list of incidents populated very quickly, pilots and airline crews flipping out etc.....

i heard the Mayor of newark on one of themoerning shows today, Corey Booker. I've heard alot of good things about him and i see why we've been hearing them now... he could be on the way to real greatness, he's still young b.1969, he spoke with wisdom, and he was calm..... i was impressed with him, and he is liberal but not ultra- just as im conservative but not ultra.... (even on guns bond? you'll find that if you put out rational laws that will do something and are not just a placebeo that allows people to pretnd they did something? I will listen to them...

background checks without keeping lists? i support

Corey spoke of shutting down the secondary market, as in private to private purchases- that's what alot of the gun shows have going on.the people in genral wnat to stop it and it COULD be stopped as long as private to private people are allowed to go to an FFL and have them run the checks for the parties for small fee of course.i pay 25$ now to use that service whn i order from an out of state customiser. if they don't do the checks? then jail.... there's lots of people who have given up the right to keep arms, and they should be kept away from them.... i belive the penalty is already very stiff if they get caught....

silnecers are an issue that i looked into carefully when i was raising and breeding exotic brids and animals in the great Dismal swamp we had alot of prdation attempts, most failed, but they didn;t stop just cuz i scared them. The local sharrif was willing to write up my permit application to get the stamp and pay 200$ per silencer. This will help disturb the valuble breeders less. whne i looked up the laws? it was 10 to life for owning one without the permit/tax stamp... [Eek!] that's serious time for a couple peices of sheet metal that doen'st really work all that great... i understand they have much better ones now, but none of them are pFFT PFFFT like on TV... they have a fairly loud bang close by just don't carry the sound very far.

anyway, i think mostreasobale gun folks are OK with that, and not being able to just buy any old full auto....
banning the large clips won't change anything...

the hardest part is going to be setting up some sort of mental health measuring system that can be applied fairly and equally....

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The information for mental illness is already on file along with your regular medical info. If you have ever been to a doctor or have been in the military. It is called the MIB and is headquatered out of Boston . The info there needs to be updated and streamlined and organized better. There biggest customers now are insurace co's.But the MIB could be your first and only stop with a small investment, To check out an aplication for mental illness.

Most people never knew about the MIB until about 1974 then they wish they had never found out about them.

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Originally Posted By Tex:

A unique window in history has passed us by, when "no one locked their doors," and "we kids could go anywhere
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It really was different when we were growing up.

But i also wonder how many things went on that we really never knew about, and some we did find out later, like within the churches.

Back then kids say did not mean much over what an adult said.

So how much was buried?

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I grew up about ten years after you iwish,

i'm the last of the baby boomers. it depends in how you want to define the end of the baby boom, 1960 to 1963... which makes Obama and me th in the same group....

it was just not that "safe" even then... i was taught how to try to meorise where i am if i were kidnapped and blindfolded in car when i was about 7... and for very good reasons i might add...

IMO th eponly things that havereally cahnged much is how much people focus on all the bad all the time now. thank cable tv...

life is hard, making it good for you and the peole you care about should be your "mission" and there are no damn garantees.

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The government should not ban any weapon that they are willing to sell to mexican drug cartels....... sorry.... couldn't resist

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Originally Posted By Rounder1:

The government should not ban any weapon that they are willing to sell to mexican drug cartels....... sorry.... couldn't resist
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And how many other countries that come back to bite us later.

Sell to other countries bad guys, who sell them back to our countries bad guys.

What do they call that, cycle selling?

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